#325 - Ellen Lampert-Greaux - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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It's LEILDILDI.
It's been my life actually

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since, well, a main part of my
life since 1988 when we founded

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it, believe it or not.
It's a bit of a long story, but

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the woman who founded LDI is
called Pat Mackay, and she still

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comes to LDI every year.
And she had a magazine

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originally called Theatre
Crafts, which she had bought

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from another publisher in
Pennsylvania.

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And in the late 80s, maybe 8687,
I'm not exactly sure what year,

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she bought another magazine that
was called Lighting Dimensions.

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And that was sort of when the
rock'n'roll lighting industry

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was getting started and there
were two companies that were

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advertising high end systems and
verilite, which were the big

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moving light companies in
America.

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Having our first Verilites went
out on that Genesis tour in the

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80s.
So by 88, the rock and roll

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lighting industry was gearing up
and they said, but to Pat, you

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know, the magazine is great, but
why don't you do a trade show?

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And that's sort of how it
started.

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Now here's the leading ladies.
But geezers of Gear on tour,

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maybe she got some stories to
share.

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Now here's the leading ladies by
the Geezers of Gear Rock star

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ladies with some stories to
share because La La La La la

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lady.
Hello Ellen, welcome to Leading

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Ladies Podcast.
I was going to say leading lady

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sounds a little strange.
I feel more like the Dowager on

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Downton.
Abbey, shut up.

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I always say to everybody, it's
really strange because like,

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we've been the last 20 minutes
like before we've even hit

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record.
So we are here to talk about

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LDI.
Yes, LEILDILDI, It's been my

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life actually since, well, a
main part of my life since 1988

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when we founded it, believe it
or not.

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It's a bit of a long story, but
the woman who founded LDI is

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called Pat McKay, and she still
comes to LDI every year.

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And she had a magazine
originally called Theatre

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Crafts, which she had bought
from another publisher in

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Pennsylvania.
And in the late 80s, maybe 8687,

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I'm not exactly sure what year,
she bought another magazine that

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was called Lighting Dimensions.
And that was sort of when the

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rock'n'roll lighting industry
was getting started.

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And there were two companies
that were advertising high end

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systems and their light, which
were the big moving light

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companies in America having sort
of moved away.

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The leading there were the
Italian companies before that

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like Kolomar and Clay Paki, and
then it sort of shifted to the

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States and we got high end
systems and Vera Light.

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And the first Vera Lights went
out on that Genesis tour in the

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80s.
So by 88, the rock and roll

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lighting industry was gearing
up.

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And they said to Pat, you know,
the magazine is great, but why

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don't you do a trade show?
And that's sort of how it

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started.
And the very first year was in a

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odd building that wasn't even a
Convention Center building

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called the Info Mart in Dallas,
TX.

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And the first day we were sort
of standing there wondering if

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anybody would show up.
And they did.

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Actually, about 3000 people came
to that very first show.

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And that was 100 and. 88 in
Dallas and for the first bunch

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of years we moved around Dallas,
Nashville, Reno, PAT was very

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big on non union places because
the union rules in the

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convention centers can be very
restrictive.

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And over the years, LDI has
negotiated all kinds of things

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so that our production
assistance can help, especially

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in the conference rooms working
alongside with the union people

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so that it's a nice mix.
Light Switch is a collective of

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award-winning lighting, media
and visual designers committed

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to changing how people
experience the world.

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For more than 30 years we have
been practicing pragmatic design

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at Light Switch we believe it's
our responsibility to keep our

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clients creative, logistical and
financial objectives in balance.

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Light Switches range of
expertise is extensive.

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From working one-on-one with
clients and artists to

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multidisciplinary teams
collaborate on all visual

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aspects of temporary and
permanent projects, Light Switch

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creates unforgettable moments
and powerful experiences.

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We celebrate our team, clients
and all of our industry's

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diverse and talented people.
As a part of our commitment to

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inclusion in all aspects of
entertainment and experience

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design, Light Switch is proud to
sponsor leading ladies.

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Yeah.
And we have had a lot of people

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in the industry, including, like
our favorite example is Ben

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Saltzman, who's the owner of ACT
Entertainment, you know, who was

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one of our interns many years
ago.

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Was he really?
I didn't know that.

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Yeah, he started.
He was a college student at the

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time, I guess, and there's quite
a bit of quite a few people who

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have gone through our internship
program who have leading roles

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in the industry, but Ben is sort
of like the poster boy.

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Really he is because like, even
I remember last year I was like,

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like the big start of acting.
He was there and he looks

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amazing now.
Like really like lost loads of

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weight.
Like he looked.

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Really.
Yeah.

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Yeah, Yeah.
He looked good last year.

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He's a great guy.
He's very smart.

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It was very interesting the way
he sort of, you know, I don't

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know, Bob Gordon had started ACT
Entertainment and he before that

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he was like the high end hog
systems, you know, I used to

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call him the happiest hog farmer
in America.

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This is a great job selling
those whole hogs and Bob did a

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great job with the company and I
think Ben has really expanded it

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interestingly in a lot of
interesting ways.

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So they are obviously a huge
supporter of LDI and we do a lot

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of training, especially pre show
training, which we call the LD

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Institute, which is all the pre
show stuff.

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So like this year the pre show
training opens on Wednesday,

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December 3rd and the actual show
floor is open on December 7-8

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and nine.
So there's a couple days of only

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training and then some of it
overlaps.

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And apartment for example,
teaches a lot of hands on Grand

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MA training.
And as a matter of fact every

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year and true already this year
they teach a 2 day beginner

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class twice and they sell out
immediately and both are already

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sold out.
There's only eight people.

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It's 4 consoles, 2 people per
console, so it's really intimate

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hands on training, which is
really great.

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And you know, you get the whole
LDI experience with it, which is

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quite something.
Jessie, who is our show director

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at the moment, has really
expanded the show in a lot of

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interesting ways and she's found
a lot of cool ways to tie the

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conference program, which I've
always done, into the show floor

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more.
So like some of the rigging

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stuff that we do is going to be
on the show floor this year.

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And as a climber, she's gotten
someone to sponsor a a climbing

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wall, which can be used with,
you know, the same kind of

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harnesses and stuff that the
rigors use.

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So there's a lot of interesting
stuff going on on the show floor

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that makes it more, just like,
more than just walking around.

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And I mean, you get to look at
all the exhibits and all that

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stuff.
And we've also developed a

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wonderful program that's called
Battle of the Busk, which is

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expanding this year to include a
second night, which is a VJ

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challenge.
So people can sign up for all

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these things for free.
It's really so that students get

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to learn.
Although the VJ challenge will

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be sort of audited, people can
apply and then certain people

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will be selected.
And those events will take place

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on Monday, I'm sorry, Sunday
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know, at LDI.
And it's great.

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It's like a great show to see
before you go out, and they'll

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probably be a drone show again
this year outside.

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So there's like a lot of stuff
that goes on that surrounds the

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traditional exhibit floor with
all of the wonderful exhibitors

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and all their new technology.
And I mean, going back to

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obviously use part of it from
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most about those early days like
and have you have, did you ever

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imagine it would grow into what
it is today?

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No, probably not, but it was
hard to tell because the first

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year of success Pat was like,
oh, I used to think I ran a

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business when I had a magazine
and now I know what it is to run

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a business.
And eventually it just got so

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big.
And she was like a one man

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company and she sort of, you
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of the needs of of a show like
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You know, it will be very hard
for her to hire a staff large

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enough to run a show like that.
And she was interested in other

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things by that point.
And I think at the end of 1995,

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she sold the show to a group
that then eventually sold it

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again in 2019 to Quest X, which
is the current owner of LDI.

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And they turned out to be great
because the first thing that

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happened in 2000 was no show
because of COVID.

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Well, there they are with this
brand new trade show that

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they're pinning a lot of hopes
on.

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And we had a year off, but
luckily the next year we sort of

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slid in between Delta and
Omicron.

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You know, we were like able to
like slip in and, and we people

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had masks and, you know, or
there were sanitary stations

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everywhere.
And it was a smaller show than

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recent ones.
But we were glad that we

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survived the pandemic and that
the industry seems to have

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bounced back.
Yep, for sure.

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Last year was a great show, one
of our biggest ever and we have

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high hopes for this year.
Seems to be registrations

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perking along and things look
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That was actually my very first
LDI last year.

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Really.
Well, you know, it's only

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because in the old days, um,
there was a little more, uh,

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freedom to do fun stuff in a way
like the first.

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We do a wonderful program that's
called Backstage Las Vegas,

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which is a full day.
It has been up to three days,

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but at the moment it's one full
day program where people get on

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a bus at like 8:30 in the
morning and we say goodbye to

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them at 11:00 at night.
And a friend of mine used to

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call it the Ellen Lampert death
March.

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And they said, you know, you
have to beg for a bathroom break

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somewhere along the way.
So it's not quite that bad.

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There are definitely meal breaks
and you know what are what are

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on the bus at all times in case.
But you go backstage at a lot of

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different places.
And we've been backstage and

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probably every theater and club
in Las Vegas, all kinds of fun

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places.
And interestingly enough, the

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very first backstage Las Vegas,
the show hadn't been in Las

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Vegas yet.
It was in Reno.

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It's just one hour away on a
plane.

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So we actually chartered a
private plane.

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In Reno.
And we put 100 people on that

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plane, so it was probably about
90 attendees.

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And the designers from me Stare,
which was the first resident

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Cirque du Soleil show in Las
Vegas, including the sound

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designer Jonathan Deans and the
lighting designer Luke La

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Fortune and Pat and myself.
And we had, it was right after

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the show closed on the Sunday
and we had dinner boxes in the

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seats on the plane.
And when we landed on the tarmac

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in Las Vegas, it was well before
911.

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You know, it was probably 1994,
1994 if I recall correctly.

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And we, the buses were right on
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We didn't even have to go into
the terminal.

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And they took everyone's luggage
away from them and took them

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directly to Treasure Island,
which had just opened with the

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big battleship battle, which I
think may be gone at this point.

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I don't know what's on the strip
anymore, but it was a big

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battleship battle.
It was the Brits and the

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Americans, I think in the
beginning.

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Then it became some pirate
girls.

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I don't know, but there was this
pirate show and we went

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backstage and the pirate show
and look with the technology

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then inside and saw the evening
performance of me stare.

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And then people went back to
their rooms and their luggage

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had been assigned, you know,
delivered to their room by the

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hotel.
And some people called us up and

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said, oh, there's a bag here
that's not mine.

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And we said, yes, it's your
backstage Las Vegas backpack.

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All your stuff that you need for
the next few days is in there.

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We also did these really clever
red click cases.

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They're like little red plastic
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closed.
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and backstage Las Vegas logos,
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outside.
How I should have brought mine.

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I have it here.
And all inside were the copies

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of the magazine that we did at
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with all the articles about all
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seeing because, you know, now we
just send people links and they

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look at it all online.
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gave them copies of the
magazines and printouts of the

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gear list of the places they
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So that was sort of really a fun
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we used to do a lot of pyro

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stuff.
And one year we decided to have

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a major pyro exhibition outside.
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donated a set of like a little
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And these people from Universal
Studios in Orlando had shipped

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out like all the pyro stuff.
And they actually like, drilled

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holes in the set and filled it
with gunpowder or pyro powder or

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whatever it is and then painted
over it so it looked fine to the

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audience.
And then they decided there

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should be a car in front of it.
And there would be like a cowboy

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fight in front of this set, and
the car would explode along with

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the set turning on fire.
So we got all the rules and

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regulations for what to do to
blow up a car, water car for

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$100.
It's on junkyard.

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But they forgot to tell us two
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One is you have to put plywood
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that when the car blows up, the
tires don't melt into the

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parking lot.
And we didn't know that.

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And the other thing was that
cars from the 70s, which is

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probably was, did not have
shatterproof glass on the

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windshield.
So we had fire watch for this

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little event.
And when the car exploded, the

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windshield went into about 5000
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But luckily it arced up and over
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bushes behind us.
And the fire watch, they were

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like, Oh my God.
And then, of course, when they

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dragged this car away and there
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parking lot, Oh my God, are we
going to have to pay for that?

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But I think the 2000 people who
went outside to watch that will

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never forget it.
No, I'm sure they won't.

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My goodness.
Event Safety Alliance.

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You needed to be there then.
Well, yes, they didn't exist

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yet, luckily.
And, you know, I don't imagine

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that companies like Questex
would much, you know, humor us

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in doing things like that.
But it was great fun.

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Yeah, the back in the day where
you could get away with a lot

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more and but.
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You did you say that you're
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in WE?
Do we do?

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We're doing it this year.
It will be on Saturday, December

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6th.
And it's another, I know,

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another full thing.
Oh, there's so much going on

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that day.
You wouldn't believe it.

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But there's a limit.
You know, there's two buses, so

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only like 90 people can go and
there's a little more swap.

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So they're going to start out at
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probably have a little breakfast
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And they're going to go over to
the Wynn Hotel and have a three

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hour backstage tour of
Awakening, which is probably the

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highest tech show ever on the
strip, sadly for me.

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I mean, they're probably happy
about it.

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They had a pool there before, a
big pool that they had a show

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called The Rev, and I'm very
fond of aquatic shows, but they

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have filled in the pool.
I don't know permanently, if not

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temporarily, I don't know.
But now they've got this other

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show and it's very, very, very
high tech.

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So what they do is they divide
the group of, you know, maybe 50

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to 100.
Last year we had 80 people.

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So assuming there's 80 people on
this tour, they divided into

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like four groups of 20 and take
them around and they meet with

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the crew at four different
stations in the theater.

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So you get to visit like
automation, audio, projection

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and lighting, and you get like
spiel from each of the

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departments.
And then they all meet back in

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the theater and have AQ and A
with everyone before they get

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back on the bus.
And then the next stop is going

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to be this new thing over at
Area 15, which is called

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Universal Horror Unleashed.
And it's for haunted houses.

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And what they're going to do is
have a lights on tour so they

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can see what it is, you know,
from the technical side of

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things.
And then the lights go out.

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And at 2:00, you get to be the
first people actually through it

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for the day to see it with the
lights off, which is something

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we used to do a lot of Disney in
the haunted house at Disneyland,

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which was always, by the time we
got there after LDI, it was

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always had it's Christmas
overlay.

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And going through it with the
team with the lights on is quite

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amazing because you get to see a
lot of the, they don't give away

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any of their proprietary, you
know, magic or tricks or

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anything, but you get to see how
a lot of the stuff functions.

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And then when you go through it
again with the lights off, it's

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like, Oh my God, that's amazing.
So that's what they're going to

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do with there.
And then we're hoping to visit

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like the new theater and the new
nightclub at the Fountain Blow

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and the new club that's called
Club Theater Voltaire over at

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the Venetian.
Have a little dinner and go back

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to Awakening for the 9:00 show
with a little Q&A afterwards.

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Why is it on the Saturday I'm?
Sorry, next year we'll try and

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do it on a different day.
Who's so who's going to be like

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with everyone on the bus and
going round like?

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Who's We have an extraordinary,
extraordinary Double Trouble,

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which is the name of their
company.

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I don't know if you met Bill
Dick night last year, who's our

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production manager at LDI.
He was like the did you go to

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the new technology breakfast?
He's on stage, usually in

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wildflowered pants.
Introducing.

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Technology Breakfast Well,
believe it or not, Bill has a

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twin brother, Pal and.
And they look exactly like,

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except that Pat has longer hair
these days, which is good

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because when they had the same
haircut, people would go up to

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Pat looking for an answer for
the question they asked Bill an

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hour earlier.
And he's like, yeah, I've never

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seen you before.
And they're like, yes, I just

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spoke to you.
I was like, no, no, it was my

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brother.
And he is just an ultimate host

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and a real, really, really great
guy.

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So he has been the host of
Backstage for the past several

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years.
I used to do it but it's way too

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much for me anymore to be out
walking.

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Around a full on day, but just
yeah and I suppose.

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You remember one time a couple
years ago, the evening show was

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Cher at whatever theater she was
at, and Pat was wearing like a

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gold Lamay jacket.
And somebody said to him, are

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you Sonny Bono?
Or, you know, that's like, no,

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he's dead.
But with the long hair and

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everything, he kind of fit the
bill.

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He could have been a look alike.
But they they're an interesting

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team and they have AAV company
called Double Trouble.

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And Bill also started out as an
intern.

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I think this is probably his I
don't know.

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I'm going to say 18th LDI.
I'm making that up somewhere

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between 15 and 20.
And he is now our production

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manager.
And he used to, because he had

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his own AV company in Michigan
where he lives.

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Sometimes he'd solve some of our
problems because a normal AV

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company really doesn't get like
LDI, you know, we don't want

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like, you know, the kind of
conference room projectors that

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other shows might, you know,
like we want entertainment

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technology in every room.
So Bill's company has eventually

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become our AV provider, which is
great.

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So he sort of wears 2 hats.
He's running the Double Trouble

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side, which is the AV provider.
And then he's running the, we

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have a wonderful.
He used to be called an

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internship program and now we
call them production assistants,

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which is what they really are.
And they really help with all

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the technical set up in the
rooms and they really are sort

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of the backbone of the technical
side of the conference program,

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which is great.
And like I said before, them

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have grown up to be, you know,
big deals in the industry, which

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is great.
It is amazing.

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So what else is you've got that
going on on the Saturday.

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You've got I believe Riggs is
happening on Saturday as well.

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Yes, Riggs is on Saturday and
Sunday.

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This is the second year.
It's a 2 day rigging intensive

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which is run by two very
experienced riggers, Tracy

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Nunnally and Eric Rouse.
And it's 2 days of in depth

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sessions, a little different
this year.

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The first day is everybody stays
together and there's sessions on

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a various, you know, topics for
professional readers.

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And then the second day, they
break out into groups.

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So there's two breakouts in the
morning and two breakouts in the

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afternoon, and they run about 2
1/2 to three hours.

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And they're on things like
rigging math and how to make

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knots and all the stuff that
riggers really need to do.

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So they're deeper dives so that
they can break up into smaller

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groups and really have deep
dives other than just more, you

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know, sort of speaking and
listening to people on panels.

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They really get to do it.
Get involved with it because you

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have.
That's a very interesting

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program that launched.
Haven't you?

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You've got Roy, Yes, coming in
for that.

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To stop because he's on your
dining.

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But dinosaurs, which is another
great event.

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We've asked him to do a he's
adorable.

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We asked him to do a, a keynote
and I didn't want to like, you

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know, burden him.
So I sent him the schedule and

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he said, oh, I see you've only
got 1/2 of an hour.

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I thought it would be longer, so
I said, oh, I'll make it 45

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minutes.
Is that better?

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He said yes.
So that's very exciting.

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Roy is really like the godfather
of entertainment rigging.

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So it will be great having him
kick off rigs and then finish

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the day at Dining with
Dinosaurs, which is, you know,

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obviously presented by Geezers
of Gear.

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And last year was a lunch, and
this year will be a dinner and a

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panel.
And I think it's a great

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opportunity for people to dine
and discuss with legends of the

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concert touring industry.
I think it's very exciting.

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Yeah, I'm very.
Very proud of this song because

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obviously I'm part of that with
you, you know, getting, getting

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all the Dinos together.
And like you said last year, it

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was, I think you'd allocated
something like an hour and a

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half, two hours last year for a.
Right.

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And this year it's like 4 hours,
4 1/2 hours, it's like 5 to 9 or

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930, which is great.
And, you know, I really applaud

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Marcel for bringing it to us
because Jesse and I were looking

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for something that would be like
a really interesting meet up

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kind of thing.
Everybody's always talking about

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mentoring, mentoring, mentoring.
They want to meet people, you

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know, and getting all these
veterans together was a really

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great idea.
And Marcel, he calls and he's

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goes, well, I've got this crazy
idea and you're probably going

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to shut me down immediately, but
it's called Dining with

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Dinosaurs.
And I'm like.

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And.
He's like really, I'm like

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absolutely.
And I called Jesse and I said

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our prayers have been answered.
You know that mentoring thing we

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wanted to do well, we do a
different thing.

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It's actually called the
mentoring meet up.

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But that what we wanted to do,
like around a meal and, you

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know, you know, getting a lot of
people involved.

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And I said, Marshall just
answered our prayers.

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And actually it's now the sort
of evening keystone to another

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full day event that's called X
Live, the concert touring

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sessions, which Marcel was like,
you know, you guys don't really

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do enough concert touring.
And I said to him, yeah, and

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I've sort of got, you know, FOMO
about the concert touring

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conference and Lititz because I
can't get to Lititz because it's

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always during LDI.
And we could do our own and sort

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of skew it a little differently.
Ours is more towards the design

448
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,200
and technology and you.
Got Jake Berry helping you with

449
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,240
that as.
Well, Jake Berry has come on as

450
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,800
the creative consultant for that
and Marcel and Jake will be

451
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,800
moderating the sessions.
And we have great speakers like

452
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,680
Bob Bonio, but Allen Sooner,
Rutier, it's a Roy Bickel.

453
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Again, it's a great group of
people on there.

454
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,000
So you know, the, the, the,
there's a lot of information if

455
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,720
you go to
theldiwebsite@ldishow.com and

456
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,440
you'll find everything sort of
day by day under our agenda.

457
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,160
And it's really, it's really
packed.

458
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,960
I was going to say I've got some
of the like the panel discussion

459
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760
and we've got like the road to
Success, which is a great one.

460
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Then what else have we got going
on here?

461
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,400
There's.
One with show records like

462
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,320
things that went wrong and how
you fixed it.

463
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,560
There's making moments with
designers of like their biggest

464
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,160
successes.
There are, you know, the show

465
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,400
records is the like the biggest
like bad things that happened

466
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,240
and how you fixed it.
There's one about the the use of

467
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,120
the media server technology on
the Coldplay tour.

468
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,880
That's going to be a good
problem.

469
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:57,640
Yeah.
So there's a lot of interesting

470
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,400
stuff going on that day.
I think it's really a cool next

471
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,560
live is something that we used
to have before now that was

472
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,520
eventually, it was originally a
stand alone event and then when

473
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,840
Quest X took us over, they
didn't want to run it as a

474
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,360
standalone.
So we've melded it into LDI and

475
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,880
it's had like a different theme
every year.

476
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,280
One year was the metaverse, one
year was AI and XR, and this

477
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,680
year it's the concert touring
sessions.

478
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,840
And I hope that sticks and that
it's a big enough success that

479
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,760
that becomes, you know, the new
X live for the next 20 years,

480
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200
and then you talk.
No, you already said you're not

481
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,880
retiring.
Oh yeah?

482
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,440
Well, I promised Jesse I would
retire at 97.

483
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Yeah, of course you have a few.
Years left.

484
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Yeah, years and years.
And like we're saying, so last

485
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,720
year, so it was actually Marcel,
obviously he's, he's got his The

486
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,880
Geezers of Gear podcast.
And it was Scott DeVos that was

487
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,360
2 years old last year that he
came on and he had this idea for

488
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720
getting everybody together.
Marcel loved the idea, then came

489
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,720
to you with it.
You love the idea.

490
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960
The lunch was last year and it
was a success last year.

491
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,560
But this year really is, you
know, like you said, it's now 4

492
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,240
hours, 4 1/2 hours.
Fight starts at 5:30 and

493
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,840
finishes at 9:30.
Dinner, more of a panel, round

494
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,960
tables, food.
And there's going to be a bar

495
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,120
which, you know, that's going to
get everyone's talking.

496
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,880
Right.
And and that's one.

497
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Of the things that we wanted to
do was, you know, really make

498
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,280
sure that it's inclusive.
So not only is it the evening

499
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,200
event for the X Live Day, but
it's also open to everyone in

500
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520
our Young Career Professionals
program, which is a special

501
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,840
program that we run for people
18 to 25 who might not be able

502
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,320
to afford to come to the show.
So they get a full conference

503
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,160
badge included, while LD
Innovation Conference badge with

504
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,360
a choice of about 100 sessions
at the conference and it

505
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,680
includes X live and dining with
dinosaurs.

506
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,760
And I think they pay somewhere
depending on what time of where

507
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,680
in the registration cycle you
buy it, it's like 159 or $199.

508
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,920
So it really for the people who
are just getting into the

509
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,440
industry, a great way for them
to, you know, dip their toes

510
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,640
into everything that we're
doing.

511
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Yeah, that's really awesome.
And you can also get the Dining

512
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800
with Dinosaurs.
That's the only a la carte one

513
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,160
that you're selling at the
moment as well.

514
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Yes, Dining with dinosaurs is a
la carte.

515
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:37,280
I think it's something like $109
and it includes the dinner.

516
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Yeah, yeah. 114.
Nine, yeah.

517
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:48,480
So that can be bought a la carte
at LDI and the Young Career

518
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,080
Professionals program is
actually part of a larger

519
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,680
initiative that we have, what's
called Foster the Future.

520
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,920
And other elements of that
include this year there's going

521
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,320
to be a career fair.
Last year was a career day and

522
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,800
this year we've sort of expanded
it, put it on the show floor.

523
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640
There'll be a stage with a lot
of like business oriented

524
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,640
sessions for people who are, you
know, looking to up their career

525
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,920
level up their career.
And we also have a diversity

526
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,400
scholarship, the Pat McKay
Diversity and Design Scholarship

527
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Program, which is generously
sponsored by Light Switch.

528
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,160
Yes, it is.
I was just going to say that.

529
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Which is great.
We really appreciate, you know,

530
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,160
John Featherstone and everyone
at Light Switch for their

531
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,360
support.
I think this is the third year

532
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,240
that they've supported it, which
is great.

533
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,200
And it's a really great way to
meet a lot of young people in

534
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360
the industry that come from a
lot of different communities,

535
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,520
different walks of life, and
they bring a lot to the table.

536
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,320
I remember when like I, I
started doing this podcast, it

537
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,600
was, it was just, you know, I
just, I don't, I don't even know

538
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,920
how it happened, but it
happened.

539
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,000
And I'm doing this little
podcast now talking to the

540
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,280
ladies and the first person.
I think it was even before I'd

541
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,360
even had a podcast out, John,
John basically contacted Marcel

542
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,000
and is like, we want to be part
of this.

543
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Like we just love it.
And so like John and Colin,

544
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,400
they've just been so supportive
of, you know, everything that

545
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,240
I'm doing.
And we, and again, I've had some

546
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,240
amazing people, ladies come on
the podcast, you know, chatting

547
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,200
about their careers and all the
rest of it.

548
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,480
And so I feel very lucky.
So, you know, the fact that

549
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,800
they've been part of like the
LDI sponsoring this.

550
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,880
I know they're terrific.
They're great.

551
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,000
Really, they're really, really
wonderful and I was hoping that

552
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,600
John will be coming to LDI, but
at the moment I think his

553
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,400
schedule, I think he's going to
be out touring or so I know.

554
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,560
I love him.
Yeah, me too.

555
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920
And I mean, we've got some like
you mentioned, like for

556
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,520
obviously X live, but even for
dining with dinosaurs, you know,

557
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,920
we've got some great Dinos that
are coming on board and there's

558
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,120
going to be lots of stuff on
yours, your website for, you

559
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,160
know, checking out.
The thing about dining with

560
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,520
dinosaurs, it's like, you know,
the power that was in that room

561
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,400
last year.
And then some of the people who

562
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,720
wandered in, they're like, Oh my
God, my friends are all in this

563
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,880
room.
I have to get in there.

564
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600
You know, Like, no, it was
great.

565
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,120
It was really, it was really
terrific.

566
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,000
I mean, I look at the some of
the people for this year like

567
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Alan Branton, now Jeff Rabbits,
John Wiseman, I mean, it's an

568
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,000
amazing group of people.
Yeah, the lovely Bob Gordon

569
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,480
again.
Yeah, Although so there's a

570
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,040
little bit of Seth Jackson.
He's coming here.

571
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,120
He'll be back again.
He was.

572
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Kind of like a junior Dino, but
he.

573
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Yeah, we all say this.
You're a junior one.

574
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,880
But yeah.
And at the moment we've got

575
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Nancy Mays come in and there's a
couple of other ladies.

576
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,600
I'm trying to get trying to get
some more ladies on the panel as

577
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,440
well.
And then of course, that's

578
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920
really going to be this like the
Saturday night, like you said,

579
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,640
that's going to be like the
opening.

580
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,560
We've got the Golden Diner
award.

581
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,360
So that's and we're really.
Also just say that at this

582
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:24,320
point, ETC has come in as a
sponsor for X Live and Dining

583
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,880
with Dinosaurs, which is very
exciting.

584
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,920
So thanks to them for that and I
think they'll be more sponsors

585
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,600
as we get closer to the event
and it's going to be great.

586
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680
I think that there's just like
something for everyone.

587
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,200
We also have a new thing called
the Stage Managers Academy,

588
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,480
which was for the past two years
just a series of sessions in the

589
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,920
LDLDI conference.
But this year we decided to sort

590
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,480
of make it a stand alone event
for two days, kind of like the

591
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,680
rigging event, so that stage
managers also have like a

592
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,400
dedicated lunch and a chance to
network and.

593
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,480
What days are they on?
It's also Saturday and Sunday.

594
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,560
Oh my God.
Well, we try not to do a lot of

595
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,199
stuff on the show days because,
you know, we don't want to take

596
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,199
people off the show floor.
Yeah, true.

597
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,880
You know, so I wouldn't want to
run something like Sunday and

598
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,280
Monday, and a lot of people
can't get there.

599
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,480
So Saturday's kind of like the
Nexus of the show.

600
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040
But if it turns out to be way
too much on the same day, we can

601
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,239
always look at that for next
year.

602
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,239
But I think everything will do
great.

603
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,480
I mean, you know, there's always
like, you know, upwards of

604
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,400
13,000 people at the show, so
they sort themselves.

605
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,600
I was going to ask you.
You know.

606
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,400
In these like what, what kind of
number do you know we look at

607
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,760
for I think.
We're helping for, you know, 13

608
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,400
to 15,000 this year.
Yep. 15,000 would be a great

609
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,360
number.
I always loved last year and

610
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,520
like the the first opening
little firework, not fireworks

611
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960
like little bangers and you
remember you standing there and

612
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,880
lapping everyone as they come
in.

613
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,440
And so that's really.
Nice.

614
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,360
A lot of fun.
You know, it never gets old for

615
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
some reason.
That one moment, that minute

616
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,240
when everybody is like in the
lobby waiting to come in, you

617
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,640
know, even the first year after
Kovid, some of the Quest X

618
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,680
people were like make sure
there's a lot of people in the

619
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,440
lobby.
You know, we wanted great

620
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,400
pictures for the ribbon cutting.
I said don't worry, we always

621
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,680
have a lot of people.
You know, I think they were a

622
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,160
little nervous because it was a
smaller show, but everybody was

623
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,400
there.
We also kick off the 1st 2

624
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,240
mornings with new technology
breakfast, which are free to all

625
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,480
LDI attendees.
They usually have some sponsors

626
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,040
attached to them.
And you know, it's not really a

627
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,360
Big Breakfast.
You get a bagel or a, you know,

628
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,600
a yogurt or less of juice
coffee.

629
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120
But it's a great way to see a
lot of the technology that's on

630
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,240
the show floor.
So all the manufacturers get

631
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,600
like a three to five minute slot
and they can say, this is my new

632
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,240
product, come see it at my booth
and get a live demo of it.

633
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,680
And it's, it's really quite
nice.

634
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,760
It's a lovely events.
Did I read as well there was

635
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000
something like the LDI after
dark?

636
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,240
Was that in?
LDI After Dark is a fun program

637
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,240
too.
It's working with the clubs in

638
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,920
town, mostly the ones from the
tower group, and they give

639
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120
anybody with an LDI badge free
admission.

640
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,080
So there's usually a, there's a
schedule that will be online

641
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,120
before LDI, of which night,
which club will welcome, you

642
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,120
know, all the LDI people.
So that's a good way for anybody

643
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,160
over 21 to kind of end the day,
although it's past my bedtime.

644
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,880
You will.
Not, you know what, last year it

645
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,040
was really embarrassing.
Like the the jet lag just got me

646
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,080
so badly.
I mean, the only event that even

647
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,760
Marcel and I managed to go to
was the UP stadium, which was

648
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,920
amazing.
And then after that I think we

649
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,080
left at midnight and I was
shattered because I was like I

650
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,920
was a zombie.
Because the time difference

651
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,480
really is quite brutal for me.
Yes, I can imagine.

652
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,720
Yeah, but I said.
To most several days to get in

653
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,520
the swing of a new place you
know.

654
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,320
It does.
I mean, this year I am literally

655
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,160
just going to fly in and fly
out.

656
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Whereas last year, because I'd
never been to Vegas before, I

657
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,840
stayed, you know, a couple of
extra days before.

658
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,000
But I think that didn't really
do me any good because like, I

659
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,880
was up at 4:00 in the morning,
3-4 in the morning.

660
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,920
I was awake, but I was going to
bed at six or seven before, like

661
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Marcel and everyone arrived.
It really didn't do me any good

662
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,240
because I just needed to get out
there and see people.

663
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,800
But I'm really looking forward
to coming back this year, really

664
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,320
looking forward to coming back,
looking forward to.

665
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,600
Yeah, just doing getting it all
organized.

666
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Did you feel now that because it
wasn't LDI at a different time

667
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,720
of the year and then Formula One
came along it?

668
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Was in November, Yeah, it's been
in October.

669
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,800
It's been in November and now
December, November for a long

670
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,960
time.
Like the week before

671
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,840
Thanksgiving was always a great
date for us.

672
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,040
And then this little thing
called the Formula One car race

673
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,200
decided to go to Las Vegas on
our dates and everybody's in

674
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,360
Vegas said you don't want to be
here when it's here.

675
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,640
And even though I hear that, you
know, over where the Convention

676
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,160
Center is is not bad, the Strip
is like completely blocked off.

677
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,000
Then I don't get the people want
to be in Vegas and not be able

678
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,120
to go, you know, the strip or
cross the Strip or whatever.

679
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,680
I haven't been there during F1,
but we in our wisdom, we decided

680
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,720
it was probably better to move
to December, which does not

681
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,960
please everyone.
Some people think it's a little

682
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,480
too close to the holidays.
And there's always there's a

683
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,040
little bit of a question about,
you know, shipping gear by the

684
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,800
end of the year if people order
it in December because it is so

685
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,160
close to the holidays.
But it's turned out to be a

686
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,680
great date for us.
And especially, I mean, like

687
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,360
looking at the dinosaurs and
some of the other events that

688
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040
we're having, a lot of these
people may have been on the road

689
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880
during December and by, I'm
sorry, November, and by December

690
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400
they're back.
So we've actually had, I think,

691
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,600
more designers at the show on
the December dates and the

692
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,960
numbers are holding.
So I think that in spite of a

693
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,760
few people who are not loving
it, it's turned out to be great

694
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,480
dates for us.
But even in December when we

695
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,280
arrived, they were still pulling
down, you know, all the

696
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,800
artificial like, you know, the,
the F1 structures.

697
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,160
It was still chaotic when we
were there.

698
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,800
So you can imagine.
And it's hard to tell.

699
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,640
I mean, it might be exciting, it
might not be.

700
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,720
But our feeling was that, you
know, I mean, like even like

701
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,000
backstage Las Vegas, how would
we get around?

702
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,360
How would we get people to
hotels?

703
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,680
How would we, you know?
And also like, especially that

704
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,840
time, the hotel prices would go
up even more.

705
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,800
And you know, I mean, I, I talk
about F1 as an experience

706
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,640
because like I was saying like
that was, that's where I started

707
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,720
was Formula One.
And really we, you know, we used

708
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,840
to go there and just take over
like, you know, and, and that,

709
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,960
that was it.
So I think it's a good decision

710
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:09,160
to move it away from that.
And December is a good, it's a

711
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,480
good day.
It's the start of December, like

712
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,640
you said, and hopefully.
Now, once, once, yeah, once

713
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,840
people get used to the idea that
it's there's a change, you know,

714
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,480
that's, that's.
How it gives people enough time

715
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,400
between, you know, like there
used to be like one year we were

716
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,160
practically back-to-back with
Plaza, like like less than a

717
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,800
month after Plaza.
And it was hard for some of the

718
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,800
European companies, for the
English companies to get their

719
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,320
stuff, you know, from one show
to another or get that organized

720
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,840
because I'm sure that some
people don't even think about

721
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,080
LDI until after applause is
over, which is after Labor Day

722
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,080
in the States.
So that seems like the beginning

723
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,760
of September.
Like right now, everybody's

724
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,600
ramping up.
They're like, oh, LDI, you know,

725
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,760
And then like now it's like on
their the front burner.

726
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,840
Yeah, on the radar for
everything.

727
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Exactly.
Well, I love hearing about all

728
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,680
of this.
Is that I can't wait to come

729
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,000
back and and yeah, it should.
Be a very, very exciting show

730
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520
this year.
There's a lot going on and.

731
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,880
Should be.
I was quite surprised actually.

732
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,080
But like everything on the
Saturday, there really is

733
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,200
There's so much going on A.
Busy day, yeah, yeah.

734
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,960
There's also a lot of other
stuff in the LD Institute and

735
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,400
the LD.
The LD Innovation Conference

736
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,280
starts that day too.
But basically it's the art of

737
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,040
programming, which are for
back-to-back lighting

738
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,880
programming sessions that are
very popular.

739
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,200
So people are just going to have
to sort themselves out.

740
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,680
Like I say, like going to a
Chinese restaurant, 1 from

741
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,640
column A1, from column B.
You can't have everything on the

742
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,560
menu.
And tickets now they're flowing

743
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,560
there.
You can go and register online

744
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,880
now the.
Prices, you can go on there and

745
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,800
one thing that's a little
different this year is that we

746
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,440
did not offer free exhibit hall
passes at the get go.

747
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,920
Usually we do in the summer and
then in the fall it goes up.

748
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:08,520
But there's so much that you got
for the $49.00 floor pass, which

749
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,360
includes the three new
technology breakfast, all kinds

750
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,800
of content and sessions on the
floor, the two parties, the one

751
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,120
on Monday, Sunday night for
Battle of the Bus, Monday night

752
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,480
for the new VJ challenge, the
LDI Awards ceremony, which also

753
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,320
includes breakfast on Tuesday
morning.

754
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,880
So there's so much that goes
into this package.

755
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:35,480
And as a little secret to your
listeners, every exhibitor at

756
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,640
LDI has a code for a free pass.
So keep your eye on your

757
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,440
exhibitors, social media and
hopefully we'll be promoting

758
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,120
their code because that way they
get to get people to come see

759
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,920
them.
That's awesome.

760
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,560
That is awesome.
Well, I think that that's a

761
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,000
watch out for your social media,
watch out for your free code or

762
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,360
pay the money because it's still
really cheap for what you get.

763
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Yeah, $49.00, it's a great deal.
And there are occasional sales

764
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,440
where it's 50% off.
So like over Labor Day, there

765
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,480
was a there was a sale, it was
2450.

766
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,640
I mean, you can barely get
dinner on the strip for 2450.

767
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,040
You know, you can't breakfast.
We're giving you 3 now.

768
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,720
I mean, it is a really good
deal.

769
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,440
So it's much more than just, you
know, the exhibits.

770
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,360
Definitely.
When will you be arriving?

771
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,120
Because yeah, on the 1st.
December 1st, right?

772
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,280
When do you come?
In I think it will be on the 4th

773
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,360
because I think my flag, yeah, I
think it's the fourth, yeah.

774
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,160
So we'll have to, we'll have to
catch up on.

775
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,120
Absolutely dinner.
Yeah, dinner.

776
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Dinner.
We'll go for dinner.

777
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,520
That would be great and but
thank you so much.

778
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,920
I don't know if there's anything
else that's great, not probably

779
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,480
you'll.
Wanna know from me but if I

780
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,760
forgot anything major I'm sure
someone will tell me.

781
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,920
Yeah, no, I'm gonna do be doing
a lot of stuff on the social

782
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,200
media for geezers and just
promoting a lot as well.

783
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,040
That's going to be coming up in
the next couple of weeks for

784
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,760
sure.
And just what what I always say,

785
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960
spreading the word about
everything.

786
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,480
I think I should just add that
like for the LD Institute, which

787
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,280
starts on the third, whatever
you're interested in, there's

788
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,160
probably a class there for you.
There's a lot of audio training

789
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,200
on the show floor that's free
later in the week.

790
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,320
But starting on the third,
there's hands on lighting

791
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,720
console training, there's hands
on media server training,

792
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,960
there's a lot of vector works
training, there's AI, there's

793
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,160
content creation, there's
Netgear switching, there's haze

794
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,920
based fog, there's follow me
automation, there's like all at

795
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,800
whatever you're looking for.
There's ILDA laser training,

796
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,320
there's pangolin laser training,
there's all kinds of stuff.

797
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,080
So I think people who are
interested in really high

798
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,680
quality professional training as
part of the the experience

799
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,120
should take a look at the
institute.

800
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,400
And just because I love her
loads it.

801
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,800
Laurie is going to be there with
behind the scenes as well, isn't

802
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,080
she?
She normally has a booth there

803
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,800
as well.
Behind the scenes, yes, they

804
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,400
they definitely have added a
very nice aspect to LD.

805
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,440
I think this is the third year,
4th, that they're doing a

806
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,880
Wellness lounge right on the
show floor and they have a

807
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,600
series of sessions in there that
starts with morning yoga, cup of

808
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,240
coffee, yoga and all sorts of
sessions about people that I've

809
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,720
done touring could be interested
in.

810
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:37,200
Like nutrition, sleep
deprivation, all sorts of things

811
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,680
that go along with the behind
the scenes mental health.

812
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,720
And it's a safe spot on the
floor, a great quiet area where

813
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,040
people can go and just sort of
kick off their shoes, use and

814
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,320
relax.
Yeah, that's really and they are

815
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,760
they doing the run this year as
well.

816
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,240
I know last year they.
Five Ki think it's on Sunday

817
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,760
morning and that can also be
registered online.

818
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,160
If you have a badge already, you
can go back into the

819
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,440
registration portal and update.
You can buy but dining dinosaurs

820
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,680
a la carte and you can buy the
5K run.

821
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Maybe I'll call it this year.
Let's see.

822
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,760
There you go.
I haven't got my running shoes

823
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,800
on for a long time, but yeah,
you never know.

824
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,400
That'll be fine.
It depends how your jet lag is

825
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,240
going, but if you're up at 3:00
in the morning anyway, I think

826
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,760
they started 6630 or 7.
Seriously, that's what I said.

827
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,760
You know, every day it was like
3330I was like, I'm wide awake

828
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,680
now.
Like so yeah, maybe I'll maybe

829
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,400
I'll join I.
Know it's not golf, but you

830
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,680
should get Marcel to go with
you.

831
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,000
I don't think does Marcel play
golf?

832
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,840
I don't think he he, yeah.
But all the industry people went

833
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,280
out on these charity golf
things, but maybe not.

834
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,080
No, yes, Yeah.
Well, actually last year as well

835
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,760
was the 1st, the first time I'd
actually met Marcel in person as

836
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,800
well, which was quite
interesting.

837
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,080
I've been working for him for
like Gear Source and all the

838
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
rest of all these years.
It was the first time I actually

839
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,920
met.
How interesting.

840
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,120
And he was just so funny.
The very first moment, he was

841
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,440
like, well, we have to, you
know, we have to have a Bloody

842
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,720
Mary.
And I was like, what?

843
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:10,560
I.
Was like 9:00 AM.

844
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
I didn't know it was, it was a
little bit later.

845
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,240
It was like 1030.
And I was like, you know, like,

846
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,120
because you don't know, you're
like, you're you're my boss.

847
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,160
And he was like, oh come on,
let's do it properly.

848
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Evening, Like, yeah, why is the
show at London?

849
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,600
A lot of the booths have bars
built right into them.

850
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,280
Some of them used to even have
like a second story and they go,

851
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,920
oh, come up to our pub and have
a beer.

852
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,240
It's like, you know, show just
opened.

853
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:39,600
Give me a break.
Well, Ellen, thank you so, so

854
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,920
much.
And come on, I look forward to

855
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,440
seeing you and everyone at LDI.
Amazing.

856
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,040
Me too.
Thanks, Ellen.

857
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,880
Thanks.
Bye.

858
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:10,040
Now here's the leading ladies by
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859
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
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860
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:21,120
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861
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:30,600
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862
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:39,240
ladies.
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863
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:50,040
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864
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:57,080
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865
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,920
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