#310 - Benoit Richard - Life Choices: Balancing Career and Family

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You know when you climb the
mountaintop, right?

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All my career was about being
the guy that I would tour with a

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big band or a big artist in
stadiums worldwide.

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Well, I did that.
I was able to finally accomplish

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that with Metallica and George.
And I wasn't the boss on on

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Metallica, but I technically was
the boss on on George.

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But it But then then I had the
realization of two things.

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I don't have a kid yet.
I'm over 40 and if I don't get

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off the bus, I'll be 60 with no
kid and probably no wife.

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So I had to make a decision and
it was the best decision I took

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because I also decided I have
the chops to switch to movies

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and and and it was amazing.
It was the right call.

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So thanks again for joining me
today on the podcast.

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I appreciate it.
So couple things I wanted to

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mention before we get into this.
Bob Shackerel from, well, High

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End Systems is where I'm always
going to remember Bob from.

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But Bob went on from High End.
He was one of the founders, one

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of the owners of High End.
If you want to hear about his

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story, by the way, you can go to
Geysers of Gear episode #32

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where myself and my then Co host
had a great, probably 2 hour

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conversation with Bob.
But sadly Bob passed away the

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other day and you know, again,
Bob was one of the founders, one

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of the partners and owners at
High End.

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They sold the company to Barco.
He went on to work for Verilite

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and then ultimately for Robbie
and he left Robbie in 2019 due

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to an illness.
At the time he didn't say that.

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He said he was retiring to go
run his ranch.

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But not that long after, I think
sometime in 2020, he he checked

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into a a dementia hospital and
sadly, just a few days ago he

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passed away from said disease.
And so he will be missed.

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He's a great man and really,
really super nice guy and just

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another figure in our industry
that that did great things and

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will be missed.
And you know, prior I worked for

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him at high end.
I, he was my boss basically at

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high end.
And so I got to know him really,

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really well.
But even prior to that, when I

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worked for his, one of his
biggest competitors, Martin and

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I was a thorn in his side.
He was always a gentleman.

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He was always nice to me.
We'd always talk at trade shows

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and whenever we saw each other
at a show or something.

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And he was always kind.
He was always, he was never a

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jerk just because I happened to
be a competitor.

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And since that time, even when
I've seen him when he was at

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Roby or anything, it was always,
hey, Marcel, you'd run across

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the hallway to see me or the
from three booths down and he'd

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be like running over to give me
a hug or something.

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And so, you know, I mean, just
great guy, another, another

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wonderful person in our
industry.

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It's becoming way too common
that we're losing people and we

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just lost another one.
And so I'm getting ready for my

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trek N up to Canada.
Every time people call me now,

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they always say where are you?
And 'cause I spend, I'm

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generally, I'm basically a, a,
what do you call them?

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What do you call people who go
back and forth from cold to

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warm?
You call them snowbird.

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I'm a snowbird now.
So, you know, I've always had a

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place in Canada, but I've only
gone there for a couple weeks

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here and there, maybe a couple
weeks skiing in the winter, a

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couple weeks hiking or hanging
out in the summer.

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Now I've just gone, why am I
doing this?

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Why don't I just go up there for
the whole summer?

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My company's remote, it doesn't
matter where I am.

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So now I go in May or June and I
stay till September, October

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normally.
And so I'm just getting ready

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for that.
Probably about exactly a month

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from now.
I'll be leaving at the end of

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May and going up to Canada.
So future podcasts, you'll be

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seeing wood in the background
instead of white in the

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background.
That'll be from my house in

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Canada.
And so I can't wait.

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Looking forward to that.
Just trying to figure out all

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the logistics on that right now.
And so Speaking of Canada,

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today's guest lighting legend
Benoit Richard returns for a

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long overdue follow up to our
original podcast, which was

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recorded just before this crazy
little pandemic changed the

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world so much.
And so in the that previous

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episode.
But Benoit spent a lot of time

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talking about how his career
evolved since 2020, shifting

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further into motion picture and
television work while continuing

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to apply his concert touring
experience behind the scenes.

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From massive Marvel blockbusters
like Avengers and Iron Man to

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high profile commercial shoots
and reshoots, Benoit reflects on

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what's changed, what's remained
the same, and what still excites

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him most about work.
He also opens up about life

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after 50 in this business and
whether it's time for live

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touring crews to push for better
wages, healthcare and long term

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support.
With his trademark honesty and

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humility, Benoit shares
practical insights on previz,

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his love for L8 software and the
enduring motto that's guided his

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decades long journey in lighting
world.

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Early is on time, on time is
late, so please join me in

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Welcome Benoit, Richard.
I'll get to chat with you again.

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It is and happy birthday to you,
Mr. Well.

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Thank you so much.
Yes, today is 56.

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I'm I'm not going to lie.
It's, I don't even talk about

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mine because let's just say I'm
four years older than you.

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So I don't like to talk about
it.

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I don't even like to say the
number because.

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You made it to an exclusive
club.

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But you know what though?
Like when I was 20 or 30 or

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4060, seemed like those people
are old, like they must be in

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wheelchairs and they don't do
any.

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They don't go to rock concerts
anymore.

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They don't listen to, they
listen to Lawrence Welk and

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stuff.
They don't listen to, you know,

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Dream Theater and Led Zeppelin
and whatever.

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And by the way, I'm sure you
know that Portnoy is back in

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Dream Theater, right?
And I'm so bummed because they

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were here in LA at the YouTube
theater a few months ago when I

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was working.
Oh yeah, So you still try to go

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out and see them?
When?

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When?
Yes, I I saw them in.

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If I remember correctly, it was
the prior tour.

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Yeah, in 2019 and I was working
at Paramount Studios and they

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were playing at the Wiltern and
I somehow wrapped right on time.

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Wow, perfect and.
I was on the phone with their

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tour manager saying I'm coming.
Yeah, yeah, Got.

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A chance to see them.
I hadn't seen them in 15 years.

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They were so surprised when I
walked.

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In That's cool, that's really
nice.

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Yeah, I mean they're obviously a
band that that I've followed

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since Images and Words.
You know, their their first real

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album, I guess, because the one
prior was a EP and you know just

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I'm a musician and I'm part of
most of the people that's in

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those crowds.
It's generally all men and 75%

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of them are musicians.
And it's because the level of

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musicianship is so freaking high
in that band.

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It's just like like every.
One of them, yeah, when Jordan

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Rudis came into.
The Yeah bringing.

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Juilliard experience in the
classical training that he had.

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Oh my goodness.
Yeah, I mean, just all of them.

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You know, it, I didn't realize
how much I missed Portnoy in the

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band 'cause, you know, Mike
Mangini did a an admirable job.

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He's he's a phenomenal drummer.
But there's just something

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about, you know, Portnoy style
that just fits that band better.

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For sure.
It just fits the.

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Band people in in Dream Theater,
which is John Petrucci, John

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Young, and Mike Portnoy, the
three caballeros who went to

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Berkeley, Boston and also camped
out at the Nassau Coliseum.

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Every time they wanted to see
like Rush or Yes or Iron Maiden

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or Metallica that three of them
would camp out with their

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sleeping.
Bags.

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True fans of of all this cool
music and my time with them will

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always be cherished, but it's a
special shout out to the one and

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only Steve Baird, our our fellow
Canadian who was their LD

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before.
A few.

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Tours that I did with them and
then since I left, he's been

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with them since.
Oh, I didn't realize that, that

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he went back to them.
Yeah, yeah, 'cause their current

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design is really nice.
It's obviously they're playing

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larger venues now and, and doing
quite successfully and which is

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great 'cause I mean, they always
sort of chugged it out in, in,

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you know, theaters and, and, you
know, smaller sheds and stuff

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like that.
But now they're, they're doing

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proper arenas and stuff too.
So it's great to see 'cause

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they're such a great band and
Labrie's struggling a little

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bit.
Which you're gonna, I mean, when

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you write those songs in your
30s and and you're singing them

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in your 50s or 60s, shit
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You know, that's.
Right.

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Well, guess what?
I went to see John Anderson a

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few weeks.
Ago my.

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Daughter with me.
We had to go see John in Anaheim

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and it was a school night and it
was so sad because at

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intermission I didn't catch
John's wife in time to find a

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way to to say hello to.
John.

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But it's OK, we were there in
spirit and physically for most

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of the show.
And then on top of it, my one of

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my good friends, Matt Beck, who
was the musical director for Rob

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Thomas, who played with Matchbox
20 since 2003.

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He's he's in band geeks right
now freaking out playing all

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Steve House parts for.
John, that's so cool.

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That's really cool.
Great little.

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So how did John sound?
Amazing.

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He's 80 years old.
And he's still singing this

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stuff, OK.
Yes, he ran on stage.

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His pitch was perfect, his tone
was incredible.

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Really it?
Was it was just surreal.

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It was crazy to yeah, I'm so
happy I was there.

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See, I somebody, I think he came
through here and someone said,

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hey, do you want to go?
One of my friends who gets

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tickets to everything because
he's a first responder and and

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they just get, you know, thrown
at him constantly and he's like,

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hey, you want to go see it?
And I'm like, you know, I'd have

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to drive 40 minutes.
I don't feel like it, you know,

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Yes, yes.
In their 80s traffic.

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Yeah, yes, in their 80s.
I don't know, you know, but so

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now I'm sad that I didn't go
because Van.

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Geeks is a great, great cover
band that that was touring and

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then John spotted them on
YouTube or something and he gave

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the bass player a call and he
goes, can we go on tour?

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I'll sing and imagine.
So he just inserted himself into

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a Yes tribute band, basically.
That's hilarious.

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It's awesome.
Oh, my God, is that cool?

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That's, like, the opposite of
how that story normally goes,

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right?
Yeah.

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Like like Boston, you know, they
found the singer who was a Home

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Depot accountant or whatever.
They found him on on YouTube.

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Yeah, and Journey and and yes,
of course.

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The the real, the the.
The Judas Priest.

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Judas Priest found What was his
name?

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Oh, really?
They had to.

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Spike or something like that.
Like I can't remember his name.

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The singer from Priest.
Somewhere out there right now,

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there's somebody yelling at me.
No, no.

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But the other guy that replaced
Rob when he left.

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Yeah.
But anyways, yeah, you know,

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that's, it's always such a great
story, but I'd never heard it in

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total reverse where it was.
Imagine.

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The the phone call the guy
didn't.

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Believe Oh my God, yeah.
I mean, they're playing like

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bars and little local festivals
and stuff like, you know, the

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the Peach festival in in you
know, Timbuktu, Nowheresville,

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right.
And and suddenly they're touring

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as yes.
And it was crazy.

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They started with close to the
edge.

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Wow.
Perpetual change.

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Oh my goodness.
Awaken.

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I was freaking.
And they were good.

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They were like, Oh my.
Gosh, they were so good.

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Yeah, like they fooled you.
I closed my eyes and it was yes.

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Wow.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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I really miss Chris Squire.
Like I I don't remember.

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I also miss Alan White.
My my.

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Oh, yeah, Alan, yeah.
But but Chris Squire just had

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that sound.
He had that thing that he did

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with the pick on the
Rickenbacker and stuff.

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I know.
Well, he told me how that all

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came about.
Because he told me too, Fan.

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Of The Who?
Yeah, and yeah, he told me too.

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He took Pete and he took John
and Whistle Pete, Pete Townsend

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and he smashed them together and
then he found this ridged pick

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that has ridges on them and he
plays it.

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He played it sideways to scratch
the strings.

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Oh, I didn't know that part.
Yes, he.

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Showed me his technique.
It was like, Oh my gosh, you

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made it even more difficult.
It's crazy.

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Yeah, I, you know, he, he did
that whole thing with me too.

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It was in the Greek theatre and,
and you know, I think a nice

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looking girl walked in and she
had weed or something and it was

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like, OK, I'll see you later.
I was out.

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We used to call that club, yes.
Yeah, the end of the.

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Show Chris would open the door.
Club, yes.

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That's hilarious.
Yeah, He was a neat guy, man.

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He was a neat and very talented
guy.

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Like to me, like every band I
think has sort of the guys that

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you can't do without.
And and to me it was sort of

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like him and and John, you know,
it was like to me they were yes,

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like to you.
Maybe it was Steve Howe or

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whoever, but it.
Was the combination of all of

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them.
Especially.

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My last tour with them, Rick
Wakeman came back, so I had the

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the classic five Yes Men lineup.
Which tour was that?

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That was their 35th anniversary
tour in O3.

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OK, so that was after like cuz
the last one I think that I even

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saw them was the one that
Smeaton did and I had all

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Martin's stuff on it.
It was 9 O 21 live or whatever

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or nine O2, whatever that was
called 9 O 21.

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OI think it was the album, but
or nine O2, whatever the hell it

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was that one.
The one with owner of a lonely

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heart that one.
So.

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So I don't know if you heard,
Have you heard about Bob?

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I know.
Yeah, Bob.

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Chakra.
Oh my goodness, that hit me like

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a ton of bricks this morning.
Yeah.

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It's so.
Sad, I think it was Sunday,

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wasn't it, that he passed?
Oh.

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I I just saw the news this
morning.

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Oh yeah, that's how.
I found out.

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And yeah, yeah.
Bob was was unbelievable as as

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the President of high end
systems in in our time there.

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Yeah.
I'll always remember his his

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approach to fine wine at a
dinner.

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Hell yeah.
The first bottle was the only

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one that would make that was
expensive.

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After that your taste buds are
ruined and the cheap wine came

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out and.
It was totally fine.

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I understood that it was.
It wasn't always like that,

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because I was, I was at some
dinners with him where it flowed

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pretty well.
But his own cellar, like at his

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house, you know, I went to some
parties at his house where there

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were some pretty spectacular
bottles of wine collection.

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Yeah, Exactly.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
We cried on the phone when I

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gave him a call in May of 2000
to tell him that unfortunately

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it was time for me to spread my
wings and leave my hand.

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And so it was sad, but at the
same time it made sense.

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Yeah, well, certainly for your
career trajectory.

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I mean you can only stay doing
that for so long and and then

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you're just really causing your
career damage at some point,

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right.
Nothing against high end.

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It's just, you know, to be that
captive guy working for the

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factory is a nice cushy job, but
it's not making the most of your

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opportunities, perhaps.
That's right.

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The road kept calling me back.
And at the time, John, John

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Broderick and I had, you know.
Yeah.

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Started a really amazing
relationship with with Metallica

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and yes.
Yeah.

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It just made sense.
Yeah, you know.

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Hello and thanks for joining me
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So yesterday or day before
yesterday, when I heard I had

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to, I had to go back cuz, and
this isn't a plug, but I had him

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on the podcast episode 32.
And so I went back and listened

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to it and it was recorded in I
think July of 2019.

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And I think very early 2020,
like January or February is when

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he went into a home.
And so it might have even been

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before that.
It might have been end of 2019.

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So I listened back because at
the time I knew later like that

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that's what had happened, that
he left Roby because he, he was,

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you know, fairly starting to
discover pretty significant

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dementia.
But but when I recorded it, I

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didn't know.
But after the recording, because

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Henry was still working with me
and after the recording, I said

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to Henry, something was wrong,
like, you know, Bob was

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forgetting way more than usual
and like struggling with some

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really simple people's names
and, and just things that you'd

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think he'd know.
And it just something was off

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and I could tell, right.
And listening back to it, it's,

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it's first of all, I, I had
forgotten some of the stories

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and, and stuff, but it was great
to hear his voice and, and, you

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know, certainly sad.
He was a pivotal part of high

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end success in the 90s.
When?

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Yeah.
When?

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I was there, you couldn't put a
a team of 3/3 ownership you.

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Know yeah partners.
Like like Bob Low.

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So different, but they got along
so well and they did such a

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great job building an incredible
company.

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Yeah, yeah, no, I actually.
So I spoke with Dave, his son,

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and Dave listened to the podcast
and sent me a message thanking

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me.
He said it was just great to

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hear his voice because, you
know, for the last 18 months

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he's basically been non,
whatever you call it, non, he

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couldn't speak.
And so, so, yeah, he said it was

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great to hear his voice.
And then I talked with Bellevue,

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I talked with Lowell.
And, you know, it's just

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swapping some old stories and
just talking about, you know,

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this was inevitable.
Like when you're in the hospital

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for a period of time with
dementia, you know, that it's a

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it's a downhill slope.
It's just how quickly you're

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moving downhill.
And I have unfortunately, first

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hand experience.
My mom has been in a home for a

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little over 10 years, and she's
moving much more slowly than Bob

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did, obviously, but still, like,
every time.

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And she's in her 90s now, so
she's lived a long life.

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And, you know, would I prefer
that I could have conversations

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with her that, you know, she
knows what she's saying and

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stuff?
Yes.

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But she's happy.
She still talks, She still has

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fun, you know, she still enjoys
life somehow, even though she

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has no idea what planet she's
on.

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But, but yeah, but I, you know,
I noticed little bits of

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different things because I have
my house there and I go there

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for the summers.
She's up in Canada and then I

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come back to Florida in the
winter.

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So every summer I see her 5 or 6
times throughout the summer.

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And you know, every time there's
just little nuanced changes that

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you see, you know, and it's,
it's a terrible thing.

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It's a terrible disease.
To my mother, every morning

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she's in Montreal.
She's 93.

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My mom's 93.
She's all there and and like I

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like you just said, every day I
just want to.

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Yeah, make sure you have to.
You have to.

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You never know.
Like now, you know, I

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practically am in tears every
time I leave Calgary to come

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back to Florida because I I
always think, is this the last

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one?
Was that the last visit?

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Did I say everything I needed to
say?

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You know, and you know, there's
nothing you can do about it,

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unfortunately.
You know, I fortunately, AI is

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going, that's one of the
diseases that I believe AI will

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solve in the next five years.
And I'm no doctor, so I don't

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know anything special, but I
believe that AI is moving so

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quickly now that that most of
the major diseases are going to

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be solved, cured in in the next,
call it 5 to 10 years.

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I won't digress into politics,
but sadly healthy population is

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not good for medical and
pharmaceutical purposes.

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But anyway.
Well, that's not really

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politics.
That's just common sense, you

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know what I mean?
And and it sucks, you know, it

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really does suck.
And, you know, insurance

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companies are evil and, and
pharmaceutical companies are

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evil and they all have malicious
intent and unfortunately.

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We're the witness doesn't help
either.

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Yeah.
The lobbying is terrible.

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Yeah, lobbying.
I would be all for having

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lobbying completely removed from
government, making it illegal to

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have lobbyists, you know,
because again, it's it just

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plays into the whole he with the
most wins and that's what.

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Seems to be happening right now
around.

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It is, but it's, it's always
been the case.

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It's just now it's so
accentuated and you know,

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example like I, I had a
three-year battle against

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Google.
They stole from me.

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I'm sorry, I'm not supposed to
say the name against a very

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large corporation in the United
States and they stole a

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trademark from me.
And I just first kind of went,

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hey, guys, you're stealing my
trademark remark.

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Can you please just stop using
it?

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And they flipped me the bird and
and so I sent him a letter

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saying you need to stop using my
trademark or I'm going to have

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to do something and they flipped
me the bird.

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And so I had to sue them.
I had no choice really because

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they stole it from me.
The.

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Sad part is their their
contingency of lawyers must be

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way.
Larger.

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You have no idea.
Like it.

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They had people carrying
briefcases for their lawyers

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that were paid double what my
lawyer was paid.

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You know, they had like every
mediation, they'd have 4 lawyers

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with four assistants and, and
the lawyers were in $10,000

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suits and the assistants were in
$5000 suits.

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And I mean, it was incredible.
It was just like I was, I called

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my lawyer Erin Brockovich,
because that's sort of what we

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were at that time.
We were like the little tiny bug

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on their ass, you know?
And at the end of the day, what

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did I get?
I got basically a judgement that

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says, Yep, they were wrong.
They stole your trademark.

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You own the trademark, but they
don't have to pay you anything.

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Oh my God.
So, you know, I got back my

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trademark, but and they stopped
using it because they just

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replaced the name with something
else And and you know, the

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damages were massive, but they,
they didn't have to pay

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anything.
And why?

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Because, you know, the fatal
error that I made was suing them

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in Silicon Valley.
And this was the result of a

449
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,760
consultation I had that said
this would be the best thing to

450
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080
do because if you sue them in
Florida, where your company is

451
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:51,040
based, they won't, the lawyers
and, and judges won't understand

452
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,120
the technology as much.
So you need to go to the hub of

453
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,960
technology and sue them there.
Well, I didn't think all the way

454
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920
through this because every
judge, every lawyer in Silicon

455
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,640
Valley wants to work for the
biggest companies at some point,

456
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680
right?
And they're all getting paid

457
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,880
somehow from those companies.
So, you know, let's just say I

458
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,400
lost and well, I didn't lose.
I just, I won, but I didn't get

459
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320
anything.
So except that, you know,

460
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,560
$1,000,000 in legal fees and,
and three years of stress and

461
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,080
everything else, right.
So that's.

462
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:27,280
Behind you, sadly, but.
No, but you know, it does leave

463
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080
a better taste.
And I'm not one of the ones who

464
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,880
says, you know, it's the
corporations because I'm a

465
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,120
corporation, but it's the evil
corporations.

466
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,280
It's the corporations who don't
care who they kill along the way

467
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,840
or don't care which grandmother,
you know, is not going to be

468
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,560
able to afford those meds
anymore because you're charging

469
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,280
so much money for them or
whatever, you know, So.

470
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,840
Yeah.
Corporations run like a

471
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,920
dictatorship.
Yeah, kind of, yeah, kind of 1.

472
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,320
And again, I mean, I don't care
how they're run.

473
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,000
I don't care what their what
their structure is or who's

474
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,840
making money or whatever, as
long as there's some scruples

475
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,240
involved.
Ethics.

476
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,640
Yeah.
And in so many cases there's

477
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240
not, Sadly so.
But anyways, yeah, Bob.

478
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Bob is gone.
And I don't know if you've heard

479
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,800
about his wife Carol, as well.
Oh my goodness, the explosion

480
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,960
next door.
Is that crazy?

481
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,000
Like all in a week too, you
know?

482
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,680
Like, what a bad week, you know?
Yeah, I know life challenges

483
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,360
sometimes can.
Holy Rail.

484
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,000
Your, your well-being.
So I I, I feel.

485
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,960
It is just nuts, you know, and I
was talking to Dave about this,

486
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,960
the son and and he's like, yeah,
you know, we're getting through

487
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,000
it somehow.
But you know, she's out of she

488
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,280
was in intensive care and, and
on a on a machine.

489
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,960
And so she's now off life
support and, and breathing on

490
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,880
her own and stuff and expected
to fully recover hopefully.

491
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,360
But yeah, just crazy.
Like the house next door to you

492
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,440
blows up and her house just
caved in on her and she was

493
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,680
buried under rubble for like a
day.

494
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,680
You know, crazy I.
Just can't think about.

495
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,480
It wow, it's crazy.
And now, you know, he's dealing

496
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,280
with making sure his mom stays
alive, plus scheduling a funeral

497
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,280
for his dad.
You know, I mean, it's just a

498
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,520
terrible week.
It's like, I can't imagine a

499
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,320
worse week.
So God bless them.

500
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Good with the shark.
Real family.

501
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,160
Oh, heck yeah.
Heck yeah.

502
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,440
Yeah.
And you know, I had a long talk

503
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,200
with Carol at at another friend
Craig's funeral last year.

504
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,160
And I sat with Carol, Bob's wife
for, I don't know, 45 minutes

505
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,600
talking about dementia and
talking about what she was going

506
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,680
through and just offering
support.

507
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,360
And, you know, I have 15 years
of experience dealing with my

508
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,360
mom and just telling her some of
the things we did.

509
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Like one of the examples, every
time I visit my mom, I stop at

510
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,400
Tim horton's and I get a certain
type of muffin that she loves.

511
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,600
And my girlfriend and I go in
and we sing happy birthday to

512
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,360
her every time we go there.
And she's like, oh, it's my

513
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,440
birthday today.
Yes, it is, mom, it's your

514
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,920
birthday.
And at first I got a little shit

515
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
from the from the home.
They said you're being

516
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440
deceptive.
And we don't agree with that,

517
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,160
that methodology.
And, you know, we think it's

518
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,400
wrong.
And I basically said fuck you

519
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,160
and and then eventually they
said we're really sorry we said

520
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,760
anything because we love what
you're doing.

521
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,920
It's so amazing.
It makes her so happy.

522
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,760
Joy bringing joy.
She forgets it 3 minutes later.

523
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720
It doesn't make.
I could sing her happy birthday

524
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,360
again in 1/2 hour and she'd be
like oh, it's my birthday.

525
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,720
You know, it's, there's just no
memory there whatsoever.

526
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,960
So, you know, it's, it's, it's a
good thing that makes her smile

527
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,920
and it makes other people sing
along and they get happy in the

528
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,240
home and stuff.
So, so yeah, we love to do that.

529
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,760
And I told her that and she's
like, Oh my God, I'm going to do

530
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,760
it.
And so I don't know if she did

531
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160
it, I'd love to talk to her
about it at some point.

532
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,360
But but yeah.
So if you have a parent in a

533
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,280
home with dementia and and their
short term memory is gone, go

534
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,760
ahead and sing them happy
birthday.

535
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,240
They love it.
Yeah, they love it.

536
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,480
It's.
A great tip.

537
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,280
So I've never even said it, but
thanks for coming back.

538
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,840
It is your birthday today and
I'm sure there's better things

539
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,040
you could be doing.
I will do tons of stuff this

540
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,640
afternoon when my daughter comes
out of school.

541
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Yeah.
She's begging me to use my free

542
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,760
race at the electric go karts
so.

543
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Oh, that's so funny.
That's so funny, Yeah.

544
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Yeah, well, it's Miami week, so
let's go.

545
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,360
Will you let her win or will
you?

546
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,320
Well, we can't race against each
other at K1 because it's juniors

547
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,680
and adults.
OK, they.

548
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,320
They step down the tower of the
junior.

549
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,320
Yeah, versus the adults.
So she's a little, she's a

550
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,120
little pissed off and worried
about the boys because the boys

551
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,040
just, you know.
Push her around.

552
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,840
Push her around?
Yeah, exactly.

553
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,280
And she wants to go fast, but it
depends on the car they give

554
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,440
her, so we'll see.
Yeah, it's, it's funny you say

555
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,040
this because my son called me
first thing this morning and

556
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,240
he's like, you know, he's my
son's a driver, right?

557
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,400
So he says to me, dad, I forgot
to tell you about something and

558
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,800
I said what?
And he said ESPN contacted me

559
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,480
and they want to do a segment in
Miami.

560
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,840
They're booking K1 exclusively.
So it's closed and they've got

561
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,560
full camera crews there and
stuff.

562
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,160
And I'm cool.
Is that?

563
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,160
And he said, I'm racing against
some big ESPN announcer from the

564
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,760
races.
And so we're racing against each

565
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,080
other.
And he's he's he's talking shit

566
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,440
to me, saying how badly he's
going to beat me and all this

567
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,200
stuff.
And I said, Jeremy, lay him out,

568
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,480
just crush him, make him
embarrassed on TV.

569
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,600
And he said sure.
And I said, yeah, why not?

570
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,480
Like, what do you want to make
friends with the guy?

571
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,200
Beat him and he was like OK,
that's what I was thinking too

572
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,960
so.
So yeah, he's doing that today.

573
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,400
He's actually probably right in
the middle of it right now.

574
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,120
So I wish I could go, but my.
One day on my birthday, Yeah,

575
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,160
there we go.
It's cool.

576
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,960
That's very cool.
That's a good idea.

577
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,360
I love that.
Yeah, I'll.

578
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,400
Be sore as hell tomorrow, but it
doesn't matter.

579
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,200
I raced against my kid once and
not only did he beat me, but he

580
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,560
put me into a wall and I was so
sore for days, both, you know,

581
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,640
mentally and physically, you
know, and so he's tried to get

582
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,360
me to race him again.
I won't put you in the wall, I

583
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,160
promise.
And I'm like, no, I'm good.

584
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,320
I'm good.
Thank you.

585
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,680
Thank you though, I appreciate
it.

586
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160
He even tries to get me to race
on his SIM and I won't do it

587
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,160
because he just wants to make
fun of me and laugh at me.

588
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,000
So I put all of my racing
dollars into you kids.

589
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,400
So don't make fun of me, you
know, don't make fun of me.

590
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,080
I I gave you this life.
So he's.

591
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,480
He's he's really coming up the
ranks.

592
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,320
Yeah, You know, he's kind of
paused because the next rank is

593
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,920
so expensive and I can either
run my company or I can go out

594
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,400
chasing sponsorship for him.
And it's really, it's a full

595
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,520
time gig.
Like you have to have basically

596
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,760
a sponsorship person who's
constantly working on that until

597
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,880
you get to like an Andretti or
something who is willing to pay

598
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,800
for the whole thing.
And it's just so rare now.

599
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:30,160
Like everyone shows up with a
driver plus a huge stack of cash

600
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,120
these days so you pay.
To drive, yeah, it's.

601
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,320
Crazy.
We know of someone in IndyCar

602
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,200
right now who's a good friend of
ours who we grew up racing karts

603
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,360
with, who paid $40 million to
get into IndyCar.

604
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,360
Yes Sir.
Yes, Sir, they did so.

605
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,240
But you know I can't compete at
that level.

606
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,680
No, exactly.
Not quite.

607
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,240
No, no.
But that'll be fun for you.

608
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Good.
Yes, that's gonna be our little

609
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880
event.
And then some kind of sushi on a

610
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,640
conveyor.
Bill finish the night.

611
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,480
It's a school night.
You're in LA still, right?

612
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Yes, yeah, sushi in LA is so
good.

613
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080
It's it's just some of my
favorite.

614
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,679
Well, Austin too, like Austin
has some incredible sushi now,

615
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,920
but Austin and LA, those are
probably two of my favorite

616
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,239
sushi places right now that I've
found anyways.

617
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,280
But did you ever hear the one
where the Eric Loader podcast

618
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,880
that he did on his 50th
birthday?

619
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,400
No, actually that was on my list
to check out as well.

620
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,400
He he decided that he couldn't
come on my podcast till he was

621
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,560
50 because that's that's geezer
dump, you know, yeah, geezers

622
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,679
are 50.
Even though I just had sooner on

623
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,360
for like the third time last
week.

624
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,199
And she's I don't think she's 40
yet.

625
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,480
But anyway, so we recorded a
beautiful podcast, an hour and a

626
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,040
half long and it was just
amazing.

627
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,240
And he was getting ready to go
play golf after the podcast and

628
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,920
I finished and I look at my
screen and I go no.

629
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,240
And 'cause I had just hit stop
recording, it started recording.

630
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,400
And I'm like, why did that just
happen?

631
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,480
And I, I'm thinking, I'm like,
that could only be because it

632
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,520
was stopped.
It wasn't recording.

633
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,800
So when I hit stop recording, I
actually, so I go back and look

634
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960
and I hadn't recorded anything
from it, right.

635
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:33,000
So I I tell him and he goes, oh,
well, let me just grab another

636
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,560
coffee and go pee and let's just
do it again.

637
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,640
And I went.
You got to be kidding me.

638
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Like, you know, a trooper better
than you.

639
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Yeah, what a trooper.
So I was like, at least let me

640
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,360
pay for the round of golf or
something, you know?

641
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Can you imagine?
That our our first chat on this

642
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,440
wonderful podcast was five years
ago.

643
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,040
Wasn't it almost 6?
Was it in 99 or 2020?

644
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,040
No, no, it was.
It was the week before the COVID

645
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,280
shutdown.
Oh, so it's your fault?

646
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Absolutely not.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

647
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,520
It was in 2020.
Yeah.

648
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,840
So five years ago.
I know it's disgusting how fast

649
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,320
time is going right now.
Like, gosh, I think of things

650
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,640
and I go, Oh yeah, I saw them
one time.

651
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,960
It was probably five years ago.
And I'm like, it was 20 years

652
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,840
ago.
Like what, 20 years ago?

653
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,880
It's crazy.
Like when I start thinking of

654
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,840
things that happened 35 years
ago and I remember it like it

655
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,120
was yesterday.
And I'm like, this is crazy.

656
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,760
Yeah.
It's I.

657
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Was lucky though, because I know
that the touring industry was

658
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,800
pretty much halted for almost 2
years.

659
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,680
Yeah, yeah, it was brutal.
Months, right?

660
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,880
It was brutal.
I know so many LDS who had to

661
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,520
take like second mortgages on
their house, had to borrow

662
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,320
money, had to take bank loans,
had to do whatever they could to

663
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,960
survive, sell gear, sell their
MA console or whatever.

664
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520
But you were smart.
You had already transitioned.

665
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Well, yeah, I was still, I was
still on the fence.

666
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,280
I was still, it's, it's crazy
because I was designing

667
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Matchbox's 2020 tour.
It would have been Matchbox

668
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,040
20/20/20. 20/20/20.
We were just about to to bid it

669
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,880
to vendors and and then all of a
sudden everything shut down.

670
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,040
And so I was kind of keeping 1
foot in the touring industry by

671
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200
joining the wonderful meetings
that that we.

672
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,720
Were.
Having online every week and I

673
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,480
was also checking with the the
movie industry to see what they

674
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,400
were talking about.
And, and the fact that, you

675
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,840
know, organization has some
benefits when you have union

676
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,120
leaders that can really sit with
the employer and figure out a

677
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,720
protocol to make sure that we
could get back to work as fast

678
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,040
as possible.
And it's incredible that in

679
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,840
August we all started to go back
to work.

680
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,080
So only a 5 month pause in
entertainment in the movie side

681
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,160
of the world.
Which is shocking cause like for

682
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,640
years, like until just recently,
all you got was foreign stuff on

683
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,600
Netflix or whatever, right?
So it seemed like we didn't come

684
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,960
back to work.
Well, I guess then we had the

685
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,600
long strike too.
Oh, well, that's yeah, that's

686
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,280
that's Wolf.
Another slap in the face.

687
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,720
After.
That, but I'm still, I'm still

688
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,800
pretty proud of, of the
leadership and the employer,

689
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,600
how, how they all got together
and just made sure that they

690
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,400
could create this COVID
supervisor concept and the

691
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,040
testing that was involved.
Because in August, there was no

692
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,200
vaccines yet.
People were still on ventilators

693
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,200
in the emergency room.
And the biggest wave hadn't hit

694
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Los Angeles yet because we
always get it later.

695
00:38:54,080 --> 00:39:01,000
And so my first gig back from
the COVID break was for a a

696
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,200
fruit company.
Not allowed.

697
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,280
To just like earlier you yeah, a
fruit computer company, yeah.

698
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,040
And, and you know how they do
their product launches, it's

699
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,880
always with an audience and a.
Theater.

700
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Yeah, it's a big theatrical to
do.

701
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,600
They had to give it and they had
to make it more like a pre

702
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,520
recorded video.
OK, you.

703
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,240
Know so they started to bring
like top cinematographers up in

704
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,720
Cupertino.
Yeah.

705
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,280
To the fruit company.
Headquarters, Yeah.

706
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,400
And I was part of the second
round because I think they they

707
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,040
had already had tried one of
those product launches in July.

708
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,200
And so I went there in August.
Imagine my first job after being

709
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,160
sequestered for five months.
I've got to put gear in a van,

710
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,480
drive myself from LA to
Cupertino.

711
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,320
Oh my goodness.
And live in a hotel for three

712
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,240
weeks and and then testing every
day.

713
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,200
And masks and all, it was kind
of wild.

714
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,480
But guess what?
At least you were working man.

715
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Well, I was working and it was
Yanosh Kaminski, RDP, our

716
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,800
cinematographer, the famous
Spielberg cinematographer and.

717
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,000
It was great for.
Me to reconnect with him 'cause

718
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,800
I.
I'd worked with him on Call of

719
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,480
the Wild so and he's such a
character he's wild so funny on

720
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,560
set so.
So, yeah, that was the first

721
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,560
thing that I did and, and it was
a whirlwind of, of, of work

722
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,480
after that because the studios
were like, hey, we've been off

723
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,680
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So I remember going to Sony
after that job in September

741
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,840
because we had to do the
Ghostbusters afterlife.

742
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,160
Reshoots.
Yeah, I remember.

743
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Yeah, they'd.
Been holding that movie because

744
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,440
we shot it in in 2019 in
Calgary, in Calgary.

745
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,040
That's right.
And then and then.

746
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,480
So imagine we didn't do the
reshoots until September 2020

747
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,720
and then finally it came out.
Was that in Calgary too?

748
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,520
No, actually, we did it in
Culver City.

749
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,760
I was going to say, you bastard,
you got to go to Calgary and I

750
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,520
couldn't.
And I own a house up there, you

751
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,760
know?
Yeah.

752
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,640
My time in Calgary for the the
main, the principal photography

753
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,800
was awesome.
Yeah, because I'd, I'd always

754
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,520
gone there with bands on a day
like show day and then leave or

755
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,160
day off and leave.
Yeah.

756
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,800
And it was the same thing.
Like do I know Calgary?

757
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,720
No, I don't.
But by the time I was there for

758
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,360
4 1/2 months and travelled
across Alberta and Drumheller

759
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,040
and.
Oh my gosh, it was amazing.

760
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,320
Yeah, they had.
Such a great time and then and

761
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,720
then that that that movie was so
cool because of the tribute that

762
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,720
they did to Igor and Spengler.
And the.

763
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Actor who passed away and yeah,
so so that was cool.

764
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:52,000
And and then all of a sudden I
didn't even have to worry about

765
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,720
my next job because I took my
gear from the stages at Sony for

766
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,080
Ghostbusters Afterlife reshoots.
And then I pushed them to other

767
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,280
stages to do bullet train with
Brad Pitt.

768
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Jesus and.
Bullet train.

769
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,120
I don't know if you saw that
one, That was pretty fun.

770
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,680
I didn't.
That's that's the crazy bunch of

771
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,840
assassins that end up on the
same bullet train with a, a

772
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,360
briefcase that has $10 million
in it and then everybody wants

773
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,200
to kill each other on the train.
It's pretty.

774
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,240
It was Pretty Goofy Movie, but
that was nuts too, because now.

775
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,320
I think I did see it.
Thinking back, I think I did see

776
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,280
it because that rings too many
bells.

777
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,960
And and plus I wouldn't like
normally the massive actors.

778
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,480
I'm shallow enough that I'll
watch all their movies and I

779
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,640
don't go looking for the, you
know, the more off the beat and

780
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,840
pass stuff.
I just go for the A listers so I

781
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,720
think I did see it.
It's crazy that we they barely

782
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960
went to Japan to shoot
exteriors.

783
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,280
We shot the whole movie at Sony
in Culver City.

784
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,000
Really.
On location in Los Angeles,

785
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,720
Yeah.
And it says trying to reconnect.

786
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,200
OK, we're good.
And that was nuts because the

787
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,920
big wave of COVID came over the
holidays 2020-2021.

788
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,840
And we actually got shut down
for a week because one member

789
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,600
got COVID and other people on
the crew, they were all like

790
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:23,040
stuck in, in these tight train
situations, you know, so they,

791
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,520
they gave us a, a week off after
New Year's and then off we went.

792
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,800
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, those early days were

793
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,920
tough because nobody really knew
what we were dealing with, you

794
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,040
know?
Like most of us hadn't had it

795
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080
yet, you know?
And most of us, you know, But I

796
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,480
think has it got a little later
on and you kind of started

797
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,400
going, wait a SEC, it's kind of
like a bad cold, right?

798
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,720
And and if you're, if you've got
comorbidities or if you're

799
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:52,320
really old or your immune,
immune system is, is weak, yes,

800
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040
it might do much more harm to
you.

801
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,000
But otherwise, guess what, it's
a cold.

802
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,680
You're you're gonna get over it
pretty quickly.

803
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,320
Now, yeah, for.
Sure.

804
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,880
Yeah.
But it took a while to get.

805
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,760
It took a couple years to get to
that point.

806
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Plus the the battling politics
on all sides of, you know, what

807
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,880
should we call it?
What should we make it look

808
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,880
like?
How bad is it?

809
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,240
How bad isn't it?
You know, we were all worried.

810
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,520
That that any of our crew
members that that were affected

811
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,960
by by the strain that they got.
Yeah.

812
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,840
We're asking every day, is
everybody OK or are they on

813
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,520
ventilators or something?
Yeah, there was no vaccines yet.

814
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,520
You know, yeah.
And but it was a crazy.

815
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Shoot, if you want to talk about
gear on that one, that was wild.

816
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Because the train one stage.
Stage 27 at Sony is the famous

817
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,560
Wizard of Oz stage it it has A2
tier ceiling.

818
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,120
The low part if I remember
correctly is around 57 feet and

819
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,200
then the high parts at 80 terms
in that stage.

820
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,400
And what they did is they put 22
static trains, one that was

821
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,360
economy and the other one was
business class.

822
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,680
And they had 140 feet of video
screen on both sides that were

823
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,840
on tracks that could go from one
train to the other.

824
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,280
Then we had sky panels, S 60s on
trusses to do over the window

825
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,600
effects that we're also able to
track between business class and

826
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,760
and and and economy.
And then we had colour blazes on

827
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,120
the ground to up light the
windows that we had movers, we

828
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,480
had Roby BMFLS on one side and
solar frames on the other.

829
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,800
It was crazy.
That's wild.

830
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,760
And all LEDs inside like LED
strips everywhere to light the

831
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,920
actors and and it was really
nuts.

832
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,800
And then the wildest part is on
the other side of the same stage

833
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:49,720
they had another set of 2 1/2
cars on airbags with giant

834
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:53,320
winches at both ends that could
pull it in and out of a station.

835
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,160
And in that movie there's 8
stations.

836
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,120
If I'm not mistaken.
It's the same 1:00 every single

837
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,400
time dressed.
Really.

838
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,720
So tell me this, 'cause I, I
have no idea how it all works.

839
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,040
And I had, I had, I don't know
if you heard that one, but I had

840
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,640
Chalky on recently and he talked
about you like you're some kind

841
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,600
of a demigod rock star of some
sort.

842
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,760
You know, you're like up here on
a up here on a throne somewhere

843
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,280
sitting, looking down at all the
minions, which is probably a

844
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:31,040
very deserved accolade.
But so when you're doing a show

845
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,640
like this and you got solo spots
on one side or solo frames, I

846
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,520
don't remember what you said
already, but and BMFLS on the

847
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,240
other side.
Are you designing all of that or

848
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,640
is that ADP or?
In this situation, that

849
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,720
particular job was was Ross
Dunkerley A phenomenal gaffer.

850
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,360
Who?
OK.

851
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,440
Probably has about 17 Clint
Eastwood movies in his.

852
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,960
House Jesus, Yeah.
And, and Ross and I have done

853
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,240
some good stuff.
I did Jersey Boys with him.

854
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,720
Clint shook my hand after the
show.

855
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,080
Oh.
That's cool, really good.

856
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,520
I like the lights.
I know.

857
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,120
So Ross asked me to do bullet
train with him.

858
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,920
And Jonathan Sela was the
cinematographer, great

859
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,160
cinematographer.
And he works a lot with David

860
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,160
Leach, the director.
He used to be a stunt

861
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,200
coordinator.
And David Leach is is is pretty

862
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,240
crazy about bringing stunts into
his his movies since he started

863
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,440
directing and.
So when you say crazy, you mean

864
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,240
he just likes wild stunts?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

865
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,360
yeah.
Again, probably connected to his

866
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,400
past, right?
Like, yeah.

867
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,600
So Jonathan Sella, the the the
cinematographer designed the the

868
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,480
way that he wanted to do this
because like I said, video

869
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,960
screens on both sides.
When you, when you watch bullet

870
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,040
train, if you look out the
window, it was it was custom

871
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,840
made videos of the landscape of,
of Japan, mostly at night.

872
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,920
So it was because it was all
these video screens and LED

873
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,880
buildings passing by or when
they're in the countryside, you

874
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,080
just see a little bit of.
So it was LED screens showing

875
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,600
LED screens.
Yep.

876
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:14,400
They were capturing that live
with the camera.

877
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:20,600
And then what we needed to do is
I needed to animate the the

878
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,640
direction of travel with the
color blazes and the sky panels

879
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,520
and the movers.
So every shot in bullet train,

880
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,000
when they're moving, it's not
only the the visual foolery of

881
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,120
the video screens that you're
watching, but it's also

882
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,200
lighting.
Yeah, passing to sell it, yeah.

883
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Yeah.
And it had to be perfectly

884
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,000
choreographed with the colors
that he wanted to come on all

885
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,440
sides.
And we tried to sync it with

886
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,560
video but it was really tough to
pixel map.

887
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,400
So the let let me just again,
I'm a I'm an idiot when it comes

888
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,200
to this stuff and many things,
but no, but I don't know

889
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,960
anything about how movies are or
TV is lit.

890
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:05,200
But so the cinematographer
basically sits in a meeting and

891
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,440
says this is the look, I'm after
these things.

892
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,720
He's the.
He's the lighting.

893
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,000
Looks on the side, right?
And so then is it the gaffer who

894
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880
says, OK, I'm going to turn that
into some fixtures and he starts

895
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,240
deciding what fixtures will make
that look?

896
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Then he asks me to draw it in
scale to the sets that we get

897
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,800
from our department.
OK.

898
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,320
And so Vectorworks comes into
play really quickly.

899
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,200
And because I knew that I would
never operate from anywhere

900
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,720
inside these trains because they
were too small and everybody was

901
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,600
masked up and it was only a
minimal crew that had to go

902
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:48,880
inside these confined spaces, I
decided to create the models in

903
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:54,400
Light Converse LA and have that
live next to me so that I could

904
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,800
see what I was doing.
Virtually.

905
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,440
And then I would look on my MY2
monitors that I get from from

906
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,120
the, the camera crew and I would
just make sure that what I'm

907
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040
seeing in L8 makes sense in real
life and.

908
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,360
How close is it usually?
It's pretty close.

909
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,240
Close.
Yeah, it's really cool.

910
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:19,880
So, so we were able to to do
some fun stuff on that show.

911
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,520
I I they were long 14 hour days
where it was constantly

912
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,720
programming for the next shot
but then also operating during

913
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,760
the shots to make all these live
passes.

914
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,720
And in in the previz you can you
can simulate the the movement of

915
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,200
the train and stuff too like
get.

916
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Well, the train's not moving at.
All so, so right.

917
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,160
That's true.
Yeah, the lights are.

918
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,680
I didn't have the video.
Screens in light converse, but I

919
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,360
just have the lighting because
we had lighting everywhere.

920
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,400
So it's.
Really important for me to have

921
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,000
a representation to make sure
that I was doing the right thing

922
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,400
because it's so tough on camera
because you don't see the

923
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,760
lights.
Cinematographers and gaffers,

924
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,560
They're in my opinion their best
secret tool that they have in

925
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,800
their arsenal is to make every
single light invisible.

926
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,760
Unless it's a desk clamp.
That you.

927
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,280
See the the other 17 lights are
just completely out of shot so I

928
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,360
can never see them on my
screens.

929
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,360
So that's why having light
converse next to me showing my

930
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,800
my rig, I was able especially
because this shot now we're

931
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,320
looking this way and the
direction of travel is West.

932
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,880
So it was like constantly
flipping our chases.

933
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,840
Yeah, I had so many pages and
the playback wing and it was, it

934
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,000
was a ballet of I felt like Rick
Wakeman it.

935
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,160
Was so is is there any
collaboration though, like

936
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,520
between between you, the gaffer
and and the cinematographer as

937
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,440
far as choosing fixtures and
things or fixture types at

938
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,360
least?
Like we need a wash here, we

939
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,920
need a spot here.
Yeah, they always ask me.

940
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,880
My opinion?
On, on what we should get.

941
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,000
And then of course by the time
we get into discussions with the

942
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,960
the studio vendor and, and their
Subs, then they tell us what

943
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,320
they can get right.
But so it's always a good

944
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,960
compromise.
But yeah, at the end of the day,

945
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,880
it's what what's in the shop,
you know, what have we got?

946
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,600
Yeah, and they always go to four
wall or.

947
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,320
Or PRG?
Yeah.

948
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Because the studio vendors, they
have movie lights that we use

949
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,560
constantly, but they don't have
the the technology of of movers.

950
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,680
Yeah.
And LED strips.

951
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,400
So they, they, yeah, then they,
then they sub that out.

952
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,160
You're still all hog, right?
I will.

953
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,120
I will.
Always be.

954
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,840
And so are you one of the people
responsible for Hog having such

955
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,320
a a stronghold of the movie
game?

956
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,240
Well, it's not just me.
I mean in in Local 728, which is

957
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,280
the set lighting Nazi local in
Hollywood.

958
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,280
Yeah, you have to.
You have to attribute the the

959
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,360
success of Hogg on Scott Barnes.
Yeah, that name came up on the

960
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,320
on the chalky thing, too.
Josh Thatcher.

961
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,680
Yeah.
Brian Booth, John Crimmins,

962
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,360
those are all the programmers
that that championed Hogg in the

963
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,000
well, Scott actually brought HOG
3 to lemony snickets in O3

964
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,000
because they had they had pretty
much acquired every possible

965
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,200
dimmer in North America for the
show.

966
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,960
You could not get a dimmer rack
to save your life that year

967
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,440
because they were all on a
soundstage here in LA and and

968
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,760
control at that time was wild in
O3 because hog was the first

969
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,240
system that could expand with
with more processors, right.

970
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,400
So that's when Scott brought it
up to his gaffer and he said, I

971
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,600
know how to control that many
channels without having six

972
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,800
lighting consoles.
What was the?

973
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,480
6 operators and yeah, exactly
so.

974
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,520
So it's all on Scott and and
it's wild because he he's been

975
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,040
consulting and and working at
high end ETC now.

976
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:12,440
With.
Oh really?

977
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,320
Yeah, that's cool.
Scott and I went to the ETC Home

978
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,680
Office a few years ago to to
brainstorm the next evolution,

979
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,280
so it was kind of cool to be
invited to be a part of it.

980
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,840
Have you used them yet like the
Tour Hog and the new?

981
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Stuff.
No, I'm, I'm, I'm.

982
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,600
I can't wait to.
Put my yeah, yeah, they look

983
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,920
good.
I mean, I don't know anything

984
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,600
about it, but they they look
nice.

985
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:44,080
It's a it's a well designed sort
of cross section of the

986
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,880
different control types you
should have for different users.

987
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,360
Like not everyone needs a grand
MA three, you know, like there

988
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,200
are different applications,
different consoles needed,

989
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,960
different sizes and prices
needed for those different

990
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,160
things.
And you know, so it's it's

991
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,880
interesting.
Like I had to learn a little bit

992
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,640
about it because I did a we do
this.

993
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,760
We started a new podcast podcast
called Future Tech, which is

994
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,680
100% AI.
So the logo's AI, the, the music

995
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,640
at the beginning is AI, the, and
the entire podcast and the two

996
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,880
hosts are AI.
And so we have to feed a bunch

997
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,200
of information to train the AI
on what are we talking about?

998
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,800
And today we're talking about
this new line of hogs that are

999
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,680
out.
And so, yeah, we did we did this

1000
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,160
podcast just a few weeks ago
because ET CS one of our

1001
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,680
sponsors and and yeah, so I
learned a bunch about it just

1002
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,320
from that.
So I'm.

1003
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,480
Excited.
I think it's cool that they are

1004
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,600
transitioning the the four
software into the five software

1005
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,160
seamlessly where right now five
and four can talk to each other.

1006
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,480
Yeah, it doesn't matter what you
have on the network.

1007
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,240
So yeah, there's there's some
really cool tips and tricks that

1008
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,680
they picked up from that
brainstorming session 'cause I

1009
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,640
told them I said 64 universes
would be really cool and then

1010
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,640
when the HPU came out with 64
universes, that was like,

1011
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,640
alright, thanks.
So now that the new line of hogs

1012
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,920
have 64 as well, that makes me
feel good on a movie set because

1013
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,800
I have, let's say 7 stages with
7.

1014
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,560
HPU is running independently but
still connected.

1015
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,680
So I can turn on anything I want
from any stage.

1016
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,640
It's all networked but I always
have a little fear because if

1017
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,560
the HPU croaks then I got to
bring out the spare, but now

1018
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,960
that the new consoles have 64
universes as well on board if

1019
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,240
the HPU would have a problem.
Yeah, everything just goes

1020
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,320
straight to the console.
Yeah, Yeah, that makes a lot of

1021
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,440
sense.
And yeah, I mean, you just

1022
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,480
mentioned sort of the
compatibility thing.

1023
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,480
That's huge.
Like I, I, I can't believe we're

1024
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,360
still so arrogant in this
industry that we think people

1025
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,760
are going to just buy US $80,000
new piece of gear or 50,000 or

1026
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,200
whatever, depends which brand,
but and not make it either

1027
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,280
backwards compatible or at least
allow you to use other

1028
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,560
peripherals or whatever, like
you know, accessories or things.

1029
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,680
The old software, because the
new one's not quite there yet,

1030
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,920
yeah.
You know, it's weird because in

1031
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,720
consumer electronics companies
get sued for that stuff.

1032
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,280
You know, like Apple gets sued
when they have a connector that

1033
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,120
doesn't fit their new phone.
But so now they got to get all

1034
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,680
new, you know, accessories and
chargers and things like that.

1035
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,440
Or, you know, like they get they
get class action lawsuits over

1036
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,240
that stuff.
But we do it all the time in our

1037
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,880
industry.
We make your stuff completely,

1038
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:57,080
you know, no longer useful.
So I'm excited.

1039
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,520
We'll see.
It's it's it's June or July that

1040
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,400
we're going to finally you're.
Going to see where are.

1041
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,360
These.
Yeah, well, I'm putting an order

1042
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,720
in.
Yeah, yeah.

1043
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,680
You know, I think I've heard
both sides.

1044
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,000
Like I've heard it's an
incredible evolution of, of, you

1045
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,480
know, the four and it's so
amazing and stuff.

1046
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,200
And then I've heard some people
downplay it a little bit, like

1047
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,520
people who saw it working at LDI
or whatever, who kind of said

1048
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,600
like, 'cause they had a secret
room at LDI and some people said

1049
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,080
to me, yeah, you know, it's
basically more of the same.

1050
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,800
And C of the next and we'll see
where it goes.

1051
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,800
I mean, yeah, you know what I
mean.

1052
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,640
For how long did people run MA
Three's with two software?

1053
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,600
You know, I know a lot of people
who still do today, you know.

1054
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,400
So you just bought new hardware
and you're running the same old

1055
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,160
software on it.
Why?

1056
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,160
Yeah, exactly.
The best part is the alpha

1057
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:02,520
program's been on for anybody
who was able to approach high

1058
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,560
end and ETC and say I'd like to
test.

1059
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,160
Really.
So you could try the five

1060
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,000
software on A4.
And it's finally in beta now.

1061
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,560
So it's we're getting close to a
first release of five.

1062
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,160
They're timing it so that when
the purchases are delivered in

1063
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,320
June, July, that five will be
solid.

1064
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:22,600
So.
It's great.

1065
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,320
You know, the other thing you
said, which I think is really

1066
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:31,000
interesting and important is
like, if I left any mark on this

1067
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,600
industry at all that that wasn't
nasty and dirty and disgusting

1068
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,240
and miserable.
One of the things when I went to

1069
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,400
Martin, they said, why can't we
get into the concert touring

1070
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,880
business or why aren't we
succeeding in that business?

1071
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,600
And I said, because you haven't
listened to enough people yet

1072
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,960
like you.
You first of all, you got to get

1073
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,200
to know people and then you got
to listen to what they want and

1074
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,000
then give them something they
want.

1075
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,360
Like they're not just going to
want something because you made

1076
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,560
it.
And so I started this whole

1077
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,160
thing with bringing designers to
the factory and bringing

1078
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,280
designers to cool places.
Bring designers to Italy, bring

1079
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,920
designers to wherever, bring
lighting company owners and, and

1080
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,400
managers and stuff to to
different places.

1081
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,120
So I'd bring all these people to
Denmark and they'd sit right

1082
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,120
there with the main engineers
and say, these are the things we

1083
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,880
want.
And now it wasn't me screaming

1084
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,120
for things because nobody wanted
to listen to me, but it was, you

1085
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,960
know, the, the Peter Morse's and
Patrick Woodruff's of the world

1086
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,280
and, and they listen to them.
So, you know, guess what?

1087
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,600
Suddenly, boom.
Now we're a concert lighting

1088
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,960
company because we're building
things that people actually

1089
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,080
want, you know, and I'll tell
you somebody else who's really

1090
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,760
great at that is the guys at, at
ICD.

1091
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,960
And I'm not promoting them
because they won't sponsor me

1092
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,480
yet.
But you know, they Gary and Noel

1093
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,040
and Nick in the past before he
retired to become a fisherman,

1094
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,240
he, they, they listen to people
and you know, oh, you want a

1095
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,680
light that does this and this
and this and weighs about this

1096
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,200
much and looks kind of like
this.

1097
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,000
And sure.
So they build it and guess what?

1098
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,040
The, the people who asked for
it, either spec or buy hundreds

1099
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,280
of them and it becomes
successful.

1100
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,880
So, you know, it's, it's not
that, that crazy of an idea

1101
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,360
really.
And Sarah did the same thing,

1102
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,760
Sarah Klaus in the Yeah see high
end.

1103
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,040
She's championing the the new
Hog project.

1104
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,880
And she put these brainstorming
sessions here in in the US and

1105
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:41,720
in Europe with programmers that
are are have a good reputation

1106
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,000
in, in the touring world and
movie world.

1107
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,720
And it was really cool that they
listened to us.

1108
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,680
And yeah.
Now we have a compromise because

1109
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,600
it's always a compromise from
our crazy ideas that we had.

1110
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,880
We wanted to be.
Super futuristic and by the time

1111
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,640
you try to sell something you
just got to come up with a a

1112
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,840
decent price otherwise people
will laugh at you.

1113
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,440
Well, yeah, first you got to be
able to build it and then you

1114
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,200
got to be able to sell it for
whatever it is that you built it

1115
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,760
for, plus whatever profit margin
you're trying to make.

1116
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,280
And, and you know, one of the
problems that I understand and I

1117
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,960
think a lot of people who buy
this stuff don't understand is,

1118
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,520
well, if I look at this thing
like, you know, a big example

1119
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,480
has happened and I'm not picking
on MA, but they just happened to

1120
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,240
be the, the victim of this
particular situation.

1121
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,080
So there's been a couple of
Chinese manufacturers who have

1122
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:35,160
been showing fake MA 2 consoles
at and they actually had one on

1123
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,800
display at LDI at LDI this past
year.

1124
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,440
And I think, I don't know if it
was if lawyers made them take it

1125
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,400
off the booth or something.
I heard something like that, but

1126
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,720
you know, so, so they people
will say to me, you know, why is

1127
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,040
MA charging, you know, X
thousands of dollars when a

1128
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,040
Chinese company can put the same
thing out for 20% of the cost,

1129
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:04,080
like 1/5 of the cost these days?
Well, no, but The thing is

1130
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,000
engineering is very expensive.
Not these days.

1131
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,800
I finally got what you were just
saying.

1132
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,720
Yeah.
So it's that times 145% or

1133
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,200
whatever.
There you go.

1134
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,520
But you know, engineering is
very, very expensive.

1135
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,440
So building something, designing
something is where most of the

1136
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,520
cost goes.
Like it's like a drug when, when

1137
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,760
a drug comes out on the market,
sure, a pill only costs about

1138
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,520
two cents to produce with
whatever medicines in it, right?

1139
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,920
But it cost them millions and
possibly even a billion dollars

1140
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,080
to to design that drug and to do
years and years of testing and,

1141
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,000
and all of the different things
they had to do.

1142
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,280
So they gotta recoup that the
cost.

1143
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,800
Now yes, you and I could talk
about they're a little over

1144
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,920
recouping on some of these.
Things, right?

1145
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,640
But the cool thing I'm gonna
say, the advantage now that I

1146
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:00,200
feel high end ETC have is
because of the ETC manufacturing

1147
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,440
capabilities where they build
their own motherboards.

1148
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,680
Yeah, Yeah.
That's very helpful.

1149
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,920
So, so I, I'd like to, I forgot
to ask Sarah, but I have a

1150
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,760
feeling that these these this
new line of hog will be at a

1151
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,600
very high percentage of of
American made.

1152
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,480
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, well, it'd be a good time

1153
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,480
to come out with an American
made product right now, I'll

1154
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,160
tell you that.
Absolutely.

1155
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,440
But you know, the other thing is
supporting these consoles, like

1156
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,000
everyone wants all the new
software versions to be free.

1157
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
Of course, right.
So every time there's a new

1158
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,880
version, I want it for free.
Well, guess what, If it's gonna

1159
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,520
be for free, those costs have to
come from somewhere because now

1160
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,680
initial purchase, yeah, not only
do we have to develop the the

1161
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,240
initial software that goes with
the product, but for years and

1162
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,280
years and years, we have to keep
coming out with new versions.

1163
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,800
New versions.
Yeah.

1164
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,240
And we're paying a room full of
engineers to do that.

1165
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,640
And everybody just wants it for
free.

1166
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,800
OK, great.
Then we're going to have to make

1167
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,200
instead of making 30% margins on
those consoles, we got to make

1168
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,320
80% margins on the consoles.
And it might sound crazy, but

1169
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,800
it's not, you know, because it.
Costs a lot of money, keep the

1170
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,920
life of.
Of course, yeah, of course.

1171
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,760
And, and you know, it's going to
keep great features coming out.

1172
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,480
You know, you don't want to
choke the company to death

1173
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,680
financially and then they can't
afford to produce new features

1174
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,200
or, or they charge you $10,000
for every new release or

1175
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,160
something, right.
So you're going to I have.

1176
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,720
To give props I have to give
props to high end and ETC on the

1177
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:37,160
fact that because of COVID and
the death of Fred which was so

1178
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,360
so sad as well.
Of course, they had to pivot

1179
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,520
because the whole project was
put on hold for so many reasons,

1180
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,160
but Sarah just championed that
HPU idea.

1181
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,600
To.
Set the the foundation for what

1182
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,240
was going to come.
And it couldn't have happened at

1183
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:00,200
a better time when the HPU came
out because in the movie

1184
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:07,840
business, I saw it coming from
when I started in 2010 and here

1185
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,800
we were in 2021.
Right after bullet train I got a

1186
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,480
call to be the programmer, the
key programmer on Obi Wan

1187
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:16,720
Kenobi.
Yeah.

1188
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,440
So pinch me, right?
Yeah, like.

1189
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,160
OK, let's do it.
Yeah, let me think about that.

1190
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:29,280
When I saw the gear lists I was
like my rack hogs won't cut it

1191
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:35,080
because it's only 16 universes.
So I started to to figure out a

1192
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,200
way to move some rack hogs and
then invest in some HP us

1193
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:42,760
because we had two stages where
I wasn't using 64 universes, but

1194
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:47,360
it was in the high 40s.
So it was starting to be a

1195
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:52,000
little stressful, you know, and,
and then of course, I was

1196
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,640
getting lighting control
requests from so many

1197
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,040
departments.
It's just not main unit that has

1198
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,440
a rig.
It's the rigors are setting up

1199
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,840
these massive rigs on every
stages.

1200
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,760
I was getting the costume
department delivered me 5 Darth

1201
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,920
Vader suits one.
Morning.

1202
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,600
And they said you're going to be
controlling the the chess piece

1203
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,120
and the belt.
But they had five of them that

1204
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,720
we had to, you know, sort out
the wireless starting address.

1205
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,800
And there's another pinch me
moment.

1206
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,640
I'm going to be lighting Vader.
And then, of course, then the

1207
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,040
prop department shows up with
their versions of lightsabers.

1208
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,160
It was the first time.
Obi Wan Kenobi was the first

1209
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,960
show where lightsabers were
going to emanate light because

1210
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:42,359
in the old days of Star Wars, it
was a green stick that could

1211
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,840
sustain big blows when they're
fighting, right?

1212
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,560
But there was no light lighting
the actors.

1213
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,120
So it was all done in post and
it had no bearing on what a

1214
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,359
lightsaber does.
Now, if you look at Obi Wan

1215
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,840
Kenobi, our cinematographer,
Chung Hoon Chung from South

1216
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,279
Korea, phenomenal guy.
Yeah, he lit some of these

1217
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:07,960
scenes just with the sabers.
It's just phenomenal.

1218
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,760
So what is it?
What's the technology in the

1219
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,479
Saber?
So yes, the prop master and his

1220
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:17,319
name escapes me right now, but
we because it's deep in my

1221
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,479
memory bank.
But he was great because he had

1222
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:27,319
his own guy that took the guts
of a Skynote wireless receiver.

1223
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,880
So he opened up the casing and
just took the chip and that was

1224
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,279
going to fit in the hilt of a of
a lightsaber.

1225
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:40,640
Then he took an Arduino chip and
he programmed it to give us

1226
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:46,479
basic controls of intensity and
pixel control.

1227
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,920
And then what they did is they
put two strips of pixel LED on

1228
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,600
the on the lightsaber hard shaft
and then they covered it with a

1229
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,840
plexi that had frost built in so
you wouldn't see the pixels.

1230
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,480
So from the console, I was able
to ignite and extinguish A

1231
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:09,160
lightsaber, and the color
control was already determined

1232
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,880
so that I didn't have to choose
the color because it's very

1233
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:17,360
precise in Star Wars World of
who gets what color of Saber.

1234
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,720
But what we discovered though,
during that production is that

1235
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:26,680
sending all this information,
sometimes with interference from

1236
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:33,800
camera or other wireless devices
on stage, you could see it

1237
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,840
ignite, but then all of a sudden
it would stop and then continue.

1238
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,080
So there was a little bit of
timing thing that I had to worry

1239
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,760
about and reposition my
transmitters.

1240
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,480
No, no pressure, right?
Yeah, just.

1241
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,280
I have to turn on Ewan
McGregor's lightsaber right on

1242
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,880
the money.
Yeah, for a swipe and then turn

1243
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,600
it off right after anything
like.

1244
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,040
Oh God.
It was wild and it was fun.

1245
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,240
It was a phenomenal.
It's wild how much technology

1246
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,160
you have, but still, there's
some guy somewhere in a room

1247
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,200
hitting a button to turn the
thing on and off, right?

1248
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,200
That's funny.
That's hilarious.

1249
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,480
And.
But he got improved later on

1250
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,400
another adventure that I did
recently.

1251
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,680
So that's funny.
It's been, it's been.

1252
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,840
That was pretty awesome.
And then like I said, the HP us

1253
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,040
were there at the right time.
Yeah.

1254
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:28,080
To give me enough control
without going crazy with DPA

1255
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,640
thousands, you know?
Yeah.

1256
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,240
Just to stack the the network.
Yeah, like.

1257
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:38,400
That so that was that was a good
show to to to start moving

1258
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,720
towards the new, the new hog.
World.

1259
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,600
Yeah, it sounds like it.
No, that sounds incredible.

1260
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,080
That's had to be quite an
experience for you.

1261
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:52,240
Yes, well, the the fun part was
Deborah Chow, our director, who

1262
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,760
is Canadian.
One day she summoned me on set.

1263
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,640
So I was like, oh, the
principal's calling me to set,

1264
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,080
but she was giddy when I got
there.

1265
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,240
And then I look next to her and
there's this tall drink of water

1266
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,480
that's right next to her, and
it's Hayden Christensen.

1267
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,720
Who?
Who plays Anakin Skywalker And

1268
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,960
he's grinning from ear to ear
because he it was his first day

1269
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,960
on set, reprising his role for
the first time in over 20 years.

1270
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,080
Jesus.
So happy to be there with Ewan

1271
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,720
McGregor, you know, reunited
from episode 3, their their last

1272
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,360
movie together.
And Deborah's like, look,

1273
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,560
Hayden, this is Benoit.
He's he's our programmer, he's

1274
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,920
Canadian.
And then Hayden's like, oh, this

1275
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,720
is so cool.
So the three of us are just

1276
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,160
Canadian?
Geeks just geeking out over.

1277
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,240
Star Wars fun set.
We're just that was pretty.

1278
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,040
Cool, you were a big fan of Star
Wars prior to doing this.

1279
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,720
My God the.
Only reason it was a highlighted

1280
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,320
reason.
Why I'm in entertainment

1281
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:57,000
lighting is because of my shock
of watching Star Wars in 1977.

1282
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,480
I was 8 years old and I.
Walked out of the.

1283
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,040
Theater.
And I said I want to do movies.

1284
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,360
I want to work on movies.
I walked out of the theater and

1285
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,920
went, you know, I want more
popcorn.

1286
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,640
You know, I never thought
anything like.

1287
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,680
That I was just like, are you
kidding me?

1288
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,040
This is incredible.
You know what's funny?

1289
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,800
I saw that movie with my
cousins.

1290
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,280
I lived in Calgary and it was
the first and only time my mom

1291
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:26,720
took us to meet all my cousins
in Burlington, ON and and I went

1292
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,440
to see the movie in some strip
mall movie theater in

1293
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,200
Burlington, ON with my cousins
and I'll never forget it.

1294
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,920
It was it was such a highlight.
It was such a great movie and

1295
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,800
stuff, but I've just never been
a a sci-fi person, you know,

1296
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,280
like it's just like I was.
I liked Star Wars.

1297
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,240
I liked pretty much every Star
Wars movie I saw.

1298
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:52,120
I saw I saw the the Obi Wan
Kenobi because I knew you were

1299
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:57,040
doing it.
So I had to watch it and, and

1300
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,640
that's about it.
Like I, I didn't do a lot of the

1301
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,720
other stuff, you know, like any
of the little offshoots of it.

1302
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,640
I I didn't really get involved.
So, but yeah, that's cool.

1303
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,640
What a great story.
Yeah, that was nuts.

1304
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,720
And when we wrapped that, that
was with a different gaffer,

1305
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,520
Jared Waldron.
We had done Iron Man 3 together

1306
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,120
in in 2012.
So it's kind of cool that it

1307
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,640
took a little while for us to
reunite, but we did Obi Wan

1308
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,240
together.
And then I remember towards the

1309
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,320
end of that year, Ross from
Bullet Train called me.

1310
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,720
He goes, I got another little
show.

1311
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,000
You want to do it with me?
It's with Eddie Murphy and Jonah

1312
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,640
Hill.
And I was like, OK, let's do it,

1313
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,280
you people.
For Netflix, which was such a

1314
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:46,000
wild subject matter of trying to
see if two people from two

1315
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,120
different cultures can really
fall in love.

1316
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,520
It was fun to have Julia, Louis
Dreyfus and David Duchovny and

1317
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,920
the cast and and and so it was
an interesting shoot to see, to

1318
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,280
wait, ready to show up every day
with his contingency of three

1319
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,240
vans.
Jesus sing the Elvis theme when

1320
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:14,600
he arrived on set.
So who who who do you think are

1321
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:20,600
bigger like prima donnas movie
people and or TV people or rock

1322
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,280
stars, pop stars?
He's more needy.

1323
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:35,280
I, I haven't seen the, the, the
prima Donna on either side.

1324
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,000
They're so professional.
Risk actors are, Oh yeah, oh,

1325
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,480
super professional and they know
it's a job and they have to be

1326
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:45,040
on the money when they get
there.

1327
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,000
So they're actors are so inside
their head to try to make sure

1328
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,680
they don't flip lines.
Yeah, and they're.

1329
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,800
They're thinking of every
possible wink and paws and

1330
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,920
breath and they're, they're so
busy.

1331
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,920
Yeah, I guess musicians, the the
whole sort of theme of live

1332
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,400
music is it can be a little bit
different every time you do it

1333
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,360
and it doesn't really matter,
you know, Although now with

1334
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,560
everyone, with iPhone.
Want it to be like exactly the

1335
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,520
same once they build their show,
yeah.

1336
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,920
Yeah.
But but I told you the story of

1337
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,320
George Michael in the last
podcast where he didn't want me

1338
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,480
to meet him at the show because
he was the pop pop star.

1339
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,080
Yeah, he wanted me to meet him
at home when he was.

1340
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,880
Just the regular guy.
Yeah, exactly.

1341
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,320
So I thought that was really
cool.

1342
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,520
That's interesting.
I've met some quirky musicians

1343
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,840
and actors, I guess, in my life
and I don't know.

1344
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:49,120
I just think anybody who thinks
that they're incredibly special

1345
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,520
and should be treated different
than anybody else annoys me, you

1346
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:53,880
know?
Well.

1347
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,760
I'll tell you what, right after
you people, we're looking at the

1348
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:03,480
the the winter of 2022, I got
the call from my gaffer Jared

1349
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:09,480
Waldron from Obi Wan and Iron
Man 3 and he goes, this is your

1350
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:12,000
show.
I couldn't think of anybody else

1351
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,560
to do this show because it's 80
for Brady.

1352
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:20,760
Oh, really?
My love of the Patriots and.

1353
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,760
Oh, I didn't know you were a
Patriots fan.

1354
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,600
Oh yes?
Well, that's because in my youth

1355
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,920
in Montreal, you get American
channels from Burlington, Vt.

1356
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,960
Oh, Plattsburgh, NY, of course.
Yeah, yeah, I got Spokane when I

1357
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,960
was a kid.
Well, in Burlington.

1358
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,880
Vermont.
There's only one team.

1359
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,240
They.
Yeah, yeah.

1360
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:42,960
So.
From a very young age in the

1361
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,920
70s, I was watching the Patriots
every weekend.

1362
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,960
I'm sorry for that.
Well, that's OK, because it got

1363
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,720
good Recently we sucked and then
in the 80s we sucked and then

1364
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,400
the 90s.
You still sucked.

1365
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,840
You still sucked.
Yeah, we did, yeah.

1366
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,080
And then and then all of a
sudden this 20 year amazing

1367
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,520
thing.
So yeah, when I got the call to

1368
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:08,320
do 80 for Brady, I was like, not
only is this, like, retelling

1369
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,960
the story of one of the best
Super Bowl comeback ever, but

1370
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:17,480
it's also Hollywood royalty with
Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin and

1371
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:20,000
Rita Moreno and Sally Fields.
I was working.

1372
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,360
I was wondering how that vibe
was going to be.

1373
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,560
You're asking about prima
donnas.

1374
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:31,480
And once again, Rita Moreno at
90, Jane at 81.

1375
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,520
I mean, Sally Fields with 76.
Professional.

1376
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:36,720
Ready.
To go.

1377
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Interesting.
And they had so much fun

1378
01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:42,000
hamming.
It up, yeah.

1379
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,680
And then towards the end of the
shoot, we got the e-mail.

1380
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,120
We're going to have Tom for two
days.

1381
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:55,000
No pictures, no autographs,
don't do anything, don't say

1382
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,560
anything.
And of course, I'm a rebel.

1383
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,360
So I took my daughter's little
Patriot shirt and I took her

1384
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,440
little Buccaneers shirt and I
put them on hangers on my cart

1385
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,400
and then I printed 4 pictures, 8
1/2 by 11 of the two of us

1386
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,920
cheering for Tom as Patriots
fans and Buccaneer fans.

1387
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,920
And I remember the the first
night he was with us, he was in

1388
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:27,560
full game mode because he was
wearing his Patriots outfit from

1389
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:33,440
that Super Bowl against Atlanta.
He had the I the I stuff, right?

1390
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,400
And they had to recreate
sideline moments from that game.

1391
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,320
So he was in full game mode.
And the second AD saw my cart,

1392
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,160
but he's he didn't point
anything out and he comes and

1393
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,680
sees me goes.
This is great because you should

1394
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,160
see there's some crew guys
walking around with Philadelphia

1395
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,080
Eagles shirts just to piss him
off.

1396
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,000
You're a real fan.
I'm going to tell him.

1397
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,360
So the next morning it was a
completely different vibe

1398
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:03,000
because they were shooting the
the post credits scene where the

1399
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,680
four ladies are on.
Lawn chairs, enjoying drinks at

1400
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,280
the beach and they're all
talking to each other, but

1401
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:10,920
really they're all talking to
Tom.

1402
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,800
So he was in shorts and T-shirt,
really chill.

1403
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,960
And then the second AD goes,
hey, Tom, you got a real fan

1404
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,520
over there.
And sure enough, he's coming

1405
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,080
towards me with a giant smile.
And I had a 92nd chat with him

1406
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,720
and his own tour hours was right
behind him.

1407
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,400
Production was right behind him
looking at me going, you

1408
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,800
bastard, You didn't listen to
the memo.

1409
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:33,600
But Tom.
Was he came to you?

1410
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,120
Hey, I wasn't going after him.
He came to me.

1411
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,640
I just that was a.
Tribute.

1412
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,440
What was I going to do, Say no?
Yeah, And he looks at this and

1413
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,680
he goes, oh, my God, how old is
your daughter?

1414
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,000
And I said, well, she's 7 and
she already has four Super Bowls

1415
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,520
with you, buddy.
And.

1416
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,600
And I said, as you can tell, we
would go to the moon and back

1417
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,040
for you, man, because we've
cheered, you know, for you as a

1418
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,760
pass.
And then, yeah, Buccaneers.

1419
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,120
And he goes, do you want me to
sign one of her shirts?

1420
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,760
And I was like, only if it's OK
with you, right?

1421
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,680
So that I was playing it right.
And then he did.

1422
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:09,120
He took her Patriots shirt and
he signed it for Anya.

1423
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:10,960
And it's in a glass.
Case now.

1424
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:14,200
Good for her, man.
Well, and guess what?

1425
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,840
It's not something that got
signed by, like, you know, one

1426
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,040
of these sports selling places
that sells memorabilia and

1427
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,040
stuff.
You got a story behind it.

1428
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,200
Like I was recording this film.
Like I'd put a little thing of

1429
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,400
the film in there or whatever
too, you know, into the frame.

1430
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,440
But that's amazing, yeah.
That was a great story.

1431
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,320
And then when the movie came
out, we I took my daughter to

1432
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,440
the cast and crew premiere on
the Paramount lot.

1433
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,160
She was so excited.
Your daughter's kind of like

1434
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,960
Elon's kid, like, gets taken
everywhere.

1435
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,560
Yeah.
Oh, yes.

1436
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,200
Which is so cool.
Like, that's how I always was

1437
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,320
with my kid, too.
Like if I can go there, he can

1438
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,040
go there, you know?
Absolutely.

1439
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,000
Yeah, absolutely.
That's that's really.

1440
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,200
Great.
But like what?

1441
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,720
Like I said, the the Hollywood
royalty, they were so

1442
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,360
professional.
I mean, Rita Moreno fell at one

1443
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,560
point, knocked her head and
medics came to see her and she

1444
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,800
goes, I'm OK, let's do, let's
continue.

1445
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,480
That's wild. 90 years old, don't
treat me like an old woman.

1446
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,360
Yeah, nailed her scene.
Yeah.

1447
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,200
You know what though?
I mean, at the same time, people

1448
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:26,440
that are in their 70s and 80s
and 90s in acting should really

1449
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:29,600
be very kind because the fact
that you can still get a

1450
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,280
paycheck for doing that in a
very young person industry,

1451
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,160
that's true.
You know, be grateful, you know,

1452
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:40,080
just behave nicely and be
grateful because like I pinched

1453
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,640
myself that I can still work in
this industry because this is

1454
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,280
now a young people industry,
right?

1455
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:48,920
And I'm not young anymore, so I
I don't take anything for

1456
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,400
granted.
Like I, I realized that at some

1457
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,600
point somebody's going to
outsmart me and knock me off my

1458
01:22:54,600 --> 01:23:00,000
pedestal and, and off I go.
But yeah, that's a cool story.

1459
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,640
We had fun.
I'm kicking myself because on

1460
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,600
that last day after I met Tom,
people were telling me that they

1461
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,520
were at base camp.
They were all throwing the

1462
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:15,040
football with Gronk, Edelman,
Danny Amendola and Tom, and I

1463
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,960
was just waiting for my moment
that day and I'm an idiot.

1464
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,440
I should have just gone to base
camp.

1465
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:22,480
And play the.
Football with them, but I did

1466
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,600
not.
I was a respectful crew.

1467
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,960
Member Yeah, while you were
doing your attention.

1468
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,800
To the memo.
Doing your job, but.

1469
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,960
Here's here's the cool thing.
Right after that, a new gaffer

1470
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,280
that I've known for a while
calls me and he goes, hey,

1471
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,720
you've been on on Star Wars
before.

1472
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:44,240
Do you want to go back?
We've got this cool show that

1473
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,040
that that two of two DPS are
going to do 2 cinematographers

1474
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,240
are going to do.
One of them is my good friend

1475
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,480
Shawn Porter.
So Scott Todd, the The Gaffer

1476
01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:57,160
and Shawn Porter did the Green
Book together, if you remember.

1477
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:58,880
That yeah, I do.
That was a great movie.

1478
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,440
Oh.
Man, phenomenal.

1479
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,000
And yeah, Viggo Mortensen is
amazing and, and I can't

1480
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,800
pronounce his name the the
African American actor was.

1481
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,120
Yeah, he was great.
He was so good in that movie.

1482
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,240
Yeah, that was a fantastic.
One, so the two of them invite

1483
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:20,560
me to go back to Star Wars for
Skeleton Crew, which is Goonies

1484
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,000
in Space.
It's literally a tribute to

1485
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,120
Goonies.
So I was so excited to to go

1486
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,520
back there.
But not only that, we were

1487
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,800
making this show for our own
kids.

1488
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,680
Yeah.
It's really geared towards, you

1489
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,120
know, 9:00 to 12:00, maybe a
little older, of course, because

1490
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:44,200
Star Wars has always been for
anybody from 7 to 77.

1491
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,520
Yeah, yeah.
So that was that was our our

1492
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:53,240
summer into fall of 20.
What was it again summer 2022

1493
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:58,000
until January 2023.
And then the best part is the

1494
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,760
lightsabers have been modified
to even be a way better.

1495
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,920
So the pixel control had been
taken away from me and it was

1496
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,120
all in the Arduino chip and all
I had to do was say ignite and

1497
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,320
then the whole thing would would
light up properly.

1498
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,280
So we didn't have any wireless
into.

1499
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,960
I.
Could change color now I had a

1500
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:21,000
scene to control 6 lightsabers
in the opening scene of of of

1501
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,360
skeleton crew.
When when?

1502
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,280
Actually wait a second that's
I'm mixing the two now.

1503
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:27,480
That's not true.
That's the opening scene of Obi

1504
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:29,280
Wan where I controlled 6
lightsabers.

1505
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,960
No pressure there.
But in Skeleton Crew was, it was

1506
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,680
different.
It was less of a lightsaber

1507
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,400
situation, more like the usual
Star Wars buttons on every door

1508
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,440
and console.
And so that was another

1509
01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:46,800
phenomenal return to that world.
But the thing about the six

1510
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,920
lightsabers, like so I guess in
a live show, if you screw up,

1511
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,920
it's recorded in history, that's
it, you screwed up.

1512
01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:57,200
That's it.
Obviously in a movie they're

1513
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,120
gonna redo the shoot if it's bad
enough or or fix it in post or

1514
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,320
whatever.
Normally we do as many takes as

1515
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,280
it takes to make the director
happy for a particular shot.

1516
01:26:07,480 --> 01:26:11,200
But you don't want to be the one
causing another take, right?

1517
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,640
Like if you're ruining a good
actor performances because

1518
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,200
that's what.
Happens though, do you get

1519
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:17,800
something through the headset or
something?

1520
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,920
Like Dick head?
What did you do there or

1521
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,560
something?
Most of the time, most of the

1522
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,720
time it's like that was a bit
late or that was a bit early,

1523
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:26,920
you know?
Yeah, so.

1524
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,920
But luckily I pride myself on my
legendary timing so.

1525
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,480
Luckily I don't screw up very
often.

1526
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:36,800
Yeah, exactly.
I.

1527
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,720
Have that one moment on Obi Wan
where Ewan McGregor was like,

1528
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,920
you're the one.
How, how are you able to figure

1529
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,160
all this out where it turns on
and turns off exactly when I

1530
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,960
when I think it should, I said
horses flowing through US.

1531
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,920
My friend, I said.
That's hilarious.

1532
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,080
To say it right.
Perfect answer.

1533
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,880
I know it was like perfect
answer.

1534
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,840
I said it kind of helps that
I've, I've, you know, done some

1535
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,760
wacky time signatures with a few
bands over the years.

1536
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,480
Yeah, yeah, try lighting Dream
Theater.

1537
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:11,760
This stuff's easy.
I know it's, Yeah, well, that I

1538
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,800
didn't want to make it sound
like this is only one or two

1539
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:19,160
cues per shot when I've got
songs that had 140 cues, you

1540
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,680
know?
Missed 1 and 15 time changes

1541
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,400
and.
I kicked myself if I missed one.

1542
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:29,120
So yeah.
It was a, it was a good, it was

1543
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,880
a good symbiotic relationship
there so.

1544
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,240
So it sounds like everything has
just flowed like 1 to the next

1545
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,840
to the next to the next, like
you haven't been out of work at

1546
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,680
all.
That was crazy.

1547
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,440
I'm going to page 2 now where
the the road bumps started to

1548
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,160
happen because we knew that the
strike was coming.

1549
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,040
Of the strike, of course.
Yeah, Because I was going to say

1550
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,960
like COVID really didn't seem to
cost you much work maybe what, a

1551
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,720
month or two?
Well, it was five months, five

1552
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,680
months.
It was from March to August

1553
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:57,920
there.
Was.

1554
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,360
Which sounds like a lot until
you talk to touring LDS who were

1555
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,720
two years, you know.
Yes, exactly.

1556
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,120
Yeah, I felt so guilty, but at
the same time I felt relieved

1557
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,640
that I had made the.
Of course.

1558
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,840
Transition at the right time.
Yeah, of course.

1559
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,520
But there was a lot of family
bonding during the COVID part.

1560
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,480
Which was cool.
Yeah, I was always.

1561
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:18,400
Gone, you know.
Yeah.

1562
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,920
I got into excellent physical
shape during COVID.

1563
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,240
Good for you, I.
Bought the mirror, did you

1564
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,520
screen in it?
And I was doing yoga every day

1565
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:28,120
and.
Stretching.

1566
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,360
Good for you.
Because people went both

1567
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,760
directions on that.
Like, I know a lot of people who

1568
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:38,560
put on 75 lbs and I know, I know
people like you and me who

1569
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,320
really focused on their, their,
you know, health.

1570
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,280
It's crazy because after being
in such great shape during the

1571
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,320
COVID break, what I just
described, when you go from

1572
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,920
bullet train to Obi Wan to you
people to 80 for Brady to

1573
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:57,480
skeleton crew, my God, I was a
mess By that time, physically, I

1574
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:02,200
had neck and shoulder issues
that were just like radiating

1575
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,080
pain everywhere.
Yeah, from multiple directions.

1576
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,120
So I had to figure out at some
point I got to take care of

1577
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:09,640
myself, you know?
Yeah.

1578
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:14,120
Is catering on on sets.
Is it better than more healthy

1579
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:18,080
than catering on on tours?
Yes, yes, they they have.

1580
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:19,760
They have a.
Good.

1581
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,440
You would think so.
They have a good combo of of

1582
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:24,840
catering that takes care of the
morning, breakfast before you

1583
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,360
start work and lunch six hours
later.

1584
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,760
And then they also have crafty
that keeps you filled up with

1585
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:37,720
snacks and at the three hour
mark in the morning you get a

1586
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:42,920
sandwiches or something special.
And then you will have lunch 3

1587
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,520
hours later and then you have
another snack 3 hours later.

1588
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,040
And then if you go deep, there's
a second meal that comes in.

1589
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,040
But usually it's healthier
though, right?

1590
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,800
Like it's not hamburgers and
pizza.

1591
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,480
I'll.
Just call it the same as I

1592
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,440
always do.
There's always some kind of

1593
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:59,840
swimming chicken.
Yeah, Kind of some kind of cow

1594
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:04,480
and some kind of fish, yeah.
But no, it's cool.

1595
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,480
Yeah.
You just have to be a lot of

1596
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:09,320
self.
Control.

1597
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,600
Disciplined.
Yeah.

1598
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,040
Yeah, discipline.
Don't just eat pizza because it

1599
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,480
tastes good.
Less and less every day, yeah,

1600
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:16,640
as the day progresses.
So my.

1601
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,240
Yeah.
My main meal is the morning

1602
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,880
meal.
Well, I always struggled with

1603
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,000
races when I was at races
because Jeremy was racing on

1604
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,080
teams and the teams had
catering.

1605
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,320
Plus they'd always have snacks
out, right?

1606
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,600
So every time I'd walk by a
bowl, I'd grab one of those

1607
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:37,880
things that things that it, it
basically fakes being healthy,

1608
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,760
you know, the little protein
bars or whatever they are in the

1609
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,480
little package.
So I'd eat four of those in a

1610
01:30:43,480 --> 01:30:45,680
day.
And then lunch, you'd take two

1611
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,040
portions because why not?
It tasted pretty good.

1612
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,080
And I might, I might not have
dinner.

1613
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,360
And then you go out for a big
dinner with the team.

1614
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:56,960
And so, yeah, I mean, I put on
weight when I was at races

1615
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,600
because I was just eating crap
all day, plus the stress, plus

1616
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,400
the lack of sleep, you know,
pace yourself, plus a few few

1617
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,720
beers or something at some point
of the day.

1618
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,920
Like if you win anything,
everybody cracks out a beer or

1619
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,400
something.
So.

1620
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,040
So yeah, yeah, you got to watch
your health.

1621
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,800
I.
Know, but I've I've been lucky

1622
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,520
because recently I've discovered
that if I have a a really

1623
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,960
awesome Asahi bowl with fruit in
the morning, that sets the day.

1624
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,280
Yeah, Yeah.
It's really healthy.

1625
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,560
Yeah, we're the same.
My girlfriend and I, we're we're

1626
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:34,840
either a smoothie or, you know,
like a couple of poached eggs or

1627
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,440
something, but always like some
fruit and always spinach or

1628
01:31:38,440 --> 01:31:40,960
something.
You know, it's like just trying

1629
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,440
to trying to do be better.
You don't have to be perfect,

1630
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,120
just be better.
Yeah.

1631
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,440
But anyway, right after, right
after Skeleton, you're right.

1632
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:52,280
I just kept going because there
there was a a phenomenal invite

1633
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,800
from Chris Culleton, another
gaffer that I worked with before

1634
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,040
on Call of the Wild with Yanush
Kaminsky.

1635
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,800
But this was a different
cinematographer, Paula Hui

1636
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:07,600
Dobro, and they invited us.
They invited me to control

1637
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,720
everything in the White House
for a beautiful murder mystery

1638
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:17,360
featuring Detective Cordelia Cup
in the recently released show

1639
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,360
called The Residents on Netflix.
I.

1640
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:20,320
Don't know.
Oh really?

1641
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,600
No, I haven't seen it yet.
Yeah, so that one is fun because

1642
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,720
it's kind of a Knives Out
approach, kind of a tongue in

1643
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,240
cheek comedy.
Interesting.

1644
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,360
Same time, it's pretty serious
because the head usher of the

1645
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,120
White House gets murdered on the
night of an Australian straight

1646
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,720
state dinner.
And so there's a running joke

1647
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:45,040
that Hugh Jackman keeps the
guests entertained by giving

1648
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,360
them dance lessons and.
Oh God.

1649
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:52,520
Kylie Minogue is there singing
the same song 7 fucking times.

1650
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:56,440
Oh my God.
But it's just so funny and, and

1651
01:32:56,440 --> 01:33:01,000
we, we, we shot the 1st 4
episodes in the early part of

1652
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,240
2023, clearly knowing that there
was a freight train smashing

1653
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:09,000
into a strike wall at some point
in the early summer.

1654
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,920
So they had it figured out in,
in blocks.

1655
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,560
Block 1 was going to be episodes
one through 4 and and then they

1656
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,920
knew there would be a pause
during the strike and then

1657
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,000
hopefully we'd be coming back
and and shooting episode 5

1658
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,720
through 8 right after that was
wild.

1659
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,920
We had 7 stages at MBS Raleigh,
which is across the street from

1660
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:36,120
Paramount Studios on Melrose,
and our gaffer Chris Coleton

1661
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:42,400
designed the rig on every stage
with 16 foot walls.

1662
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,600
So we had to have green beds
built which are basically

1663
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:51,560
walkways right above the set
walls and then lights would be

1664
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:58,480
anchored off the green beds.
We had 17150 smart lights, we're

1665
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:03,880
talking sky panels, vortexes
from Cream Source Pro lights,

1666
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:09,000
knock off of of a sky panel,
lights everywhere.

1667
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,240
But once again, because the Hog
is such a great system with port

1668
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:18,600
numbers, where the HP us are in
every stage, they're they're

1669
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,280
feeding their own streaming ACN
for that stage.

1670
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,440
But Hognet is interconnected.
So that way, no matter where I

1671
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:31,360
am on the lot, I can turn on a
light on stage 11, I can turn on

1672
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,320
a light on stage 7, doesn't
matter.

1673
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,960
And of course my cart moves with
company.

1674
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:41,280
So when we shoot, I'm I'm stuck
on the same stage that we're

1675
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:42,960
shooting.
And then my rigging programmer

1676
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:49,280
who was chalky is able to to
deal with all the other stages

1677
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,120
at the same time.
So it was great because we had a

1678
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:57,960
lot of tours.
Our UPM Mary D Howard was so

1679
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,160
proud of showing her sets to a
lot of shows to possibly buy

1680
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,240
them at the end.
What's the UPM?

1681
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:07,400
Unit production manager.
Oh, OK.

1682
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:12,480
And Mary D Howard is a legend in
my book because when I was

1683
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:16,240
growing up, right before I
started, well actually as I was

1684
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:22,120
starting to tour in the late
80s, early 90s, my favorite show

1685
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,680
was Star Trek The Next
Generation.

1686
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:30,360
And she was the first AD first
assistant director on Season 1.

1687
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,840
And she finished as the unit
production manager by the end of

1688
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:39,920
the series seven years later.
And then she also became the

1689
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:44,040
unit production manager for
Voyager and Enterprise.

1690
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,240
So her legacy in the Star War,
Star Trek.

1691
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,680
World Star Trek, Yeah, Careful
there, Mr. Yeah.

1692
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:55,800
Is 17 years and then after that
she became an independent

1693
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,640
producer and landed with
Shondaland Productions.

1694
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:05,080
Shonda Rhimes and then
eventually she was spearheading

1695
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,280
The Residence for Netflix.
You're pretty good at

1696
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,320
remembering some complicated
names.

1697
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,160
I am names like some of the
names are very foreign and stuff

1698
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,320
and you're just remembering all
these really long names and

1699
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:17,680
stuff.
Just.

1700
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,720
To make sure that I didn't look
like a complete goof.

1701
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,880
But it was really cool to meet
Mary and she is one of the good

1702
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:24,880
ones.
Where there's.

1703
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,920
There's no lying.
There's no stretching the truth.

1704
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:32,480
She cares about the crew and she
was falling apart when the

1705
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:36,120
writers went on strike first.
And we were told by the studio

1706
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,880
to keep shooting without our our
showrunner who wrote the show.

1707
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:44,840
And it was towards the end of
episode 4.

1708
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,200
So we were kind of chugging
along as much as possible,

1709
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,680
knowing that the actors would go
out at the end of the month.

1710
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,240
And then at at one point she had
to tell the crew and the cast

1711
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:58,320
that Netflix it pulled the plug
and we had to go on a hiatus.

1712
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,160
And she cried.
And at first you're wondering,

1713
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,520
is she she's just putting on a
chauffeur?

1714
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,880
No, it was completely legit and
heartfelt.

1715
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,080
You know, we could tell that she
really cared and and.

1716
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,640
So she was crying because she
had to send everyone home or

1717
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,080
because she was going to be out
of work or all of the above?

1718
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:18,560
No.
No, no, it was, it was, it was

1719
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,720
the sad part of like we did
everything we could to keep

1720
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:27,480
shooting because the scripts
were stamped as completed.

1721
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,280
So we were able to shoot episode
4 without our head writer

1722
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,400
because he was home.
Right.

1723
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,920
And which is weird because
showrunners also wear a producer

1724
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,760
hat.
So Netflix was in the conflict

1725
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:48,320
where they were like, we need
your producer input, but because

1726
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,320
you're the creator and you wrote
it.

1727
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,320
Yeah, interesting.
I can't.

1728
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,440
So is that because everyone's in
different unions and stuff or

1729
01:37:58,440 --> 01:38:00,520
yeah.
Or is it just politics?

1730
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,880
Or well, the, the showrunner is
definitely in the Writers Guild,

1731
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,440
yeah.
And then he's also a PGA member,

1732
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:10,440
Producers Guild member because
as a showrunner you get you get

1733
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:14,160
2 titles, you're writing it and
you're also producing it.

1734
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,200
So it's kind of weird towards
the end there, we could tell

1735
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,400
that the machine was kind of
like missing his input because

1736
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,440
it's his baby, right?
Yeah.

1737
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:24,400
And so.
So, yeah.

1738
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:29,040
So we went, we went home end of
May 2023.

1739
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:36,360
And pretty much June to October
gave me a chance to fix my body

1740
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,840
because like I said, I was I was
pretty rough.

1741
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,040
Yeah.
And it's good because I found a

1742
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,440
chiropractor who was also a
licensed acupuncturist.

1743
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:53,160
And by seeing him regularly, I
was able to just finally, it

1744
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:58,240
took a good eight weeks to take
away a spasm that was lodged

1745
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,240
between my shoulder blade and my
heart.

1746
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,040
Really good place to have a
spasm.

1747
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:04,640
Yuck.
Yeah.

1748
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:06,960
Just that feels.
Just like a heart attack.

1749
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,200
I know burning sensation.
You're wondering, is this going

1750
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:11,560
to spike at some?
Point Yeah.

1751
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,120
Is this it?
So, so that's what I did during

1752
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,040
the strike is really take care
of myself.

1753
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,680
So because I knew that when it
would end.

1754
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,520
Yeah, it.
Would be gangbusters, but it's

1755
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,360
so strange how it really wasn't
that gangbusters because that's

1756
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:30,200
when we realized that the
industry had left LA again.

1757
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,280
Yeah.
For better tax credits

1758
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,600
worldwide.
So really, the industry thinned

1759
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,880
out in LAA bit, yeah.
By by the time the strikes ended

1760
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:44,560
and, and, and we went back to
work well, I was lucky because I

1761
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,960
had residence episode 5 through
8 to shoot right away.

1762
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:51,440
So we brought our gear back in
our control equipment back into

1763
01:39:51,640 --> 01:40:00,520
Raleigh MBS in November.
And then we we did a few days of

1764
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:04,280
shooting before and then the sad
part, Oh my God, right before we

1765
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,120
started shooting, we found out
that one of our actors passed

1766
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:08,280
away.
Andre Brauer.

1767
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,640
Jesus.
Phenomenal actor, everybody

1768
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,880
loved him so much and he was our
Ed head usher who gets murdered.

1769
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,120
Oh my God.
So all the flashbacks.

1770
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,000
Did you have to reshoot a bunch
of stuff?

1771
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:22,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

1772
01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:26,760
So what they did is they they,
they asked one of the top actors

1773
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:31,480
in the business, Giancarlo
Esposito, to take over the role

1774
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:35,640
of AB Winter.
And he knew Andre Brauer.

1775
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:42,520
And so it's big, big thing for
him to pick up the legacy of

1776
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,920
Andre.
And So what he did, what we shot

1777
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:50,520
Episode 5 through 8 with him and
at the end we had an extra 3

1778
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,440
weeks to reshoot his parts.
For every one through 4.

1779
01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:57,480
Wow.
So that carried us till May of

1780
01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:02,360
2020. 4 And then the strike
ended.

1781
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:04,960
Well, the strike ended.
Oh no, the strike was over in

1782
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:05,600
November.
So.

1783
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,520
So then other things happened.
Or.

1784
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,680
Well then, then it was.
Really.

1785
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:17,800
Los Angeles was a ghost town and
I'm proactive.

1786
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,960
I reach out to people, and I
reached out to a gaffer that I'd

1787
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,200
met seven years before on at the
end of Captain Marvel.

1788
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,280
His name is Walter Bethel.
Thank you, Walter.

1789
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,640
I knew Walter was about to start
Season 4 of The Morning Show

1790
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,880
with Jennifer Aniston and Reese
Witherspoon at Sony.

1791
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,200
I seem to spend a lot of time in
Sony in Culver City.

1792
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,400
So I reached out to Walter and I
said, Hey, Walter.

1793
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,400
I'm available.
We've wanted to work together

1794
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,000
since Captain Marvel.
I'm available.

1795
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:51,280
Can I potentially be your
programmer on on the morning

1796
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:52,720
show?
And he answered me.

1797
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,720
I would walk on broken glass if
you could do this show with me.

1798
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,360
Because it turns out that that
it's been a little tough for

1799
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,600
morning show crews over the
years, but it's a wonderful

1800
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,560
experience once you're on set
with, with the cast and

1801
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,160
everything.
We, we, we, we, you know, we

1802
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,520
have fun and it was a great
experience.

1803
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:15,400
So I'm lucky.
I count my lucky stars every

1804
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:16,520
day.
Because.

1805
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,520
In June of 2024, I had a job.
Yeah.

1806
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:22,600
December.
Yeah, wow.

1807
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,120
So that was most of my year last
year.

1808
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,880
And then and then you know how
it goes, right?

1809
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:31,680
Once you're with a new crew and
a new gaffer, then he wants to

1810
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,080
keep going.
So as soon as we wrap that his

1811
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:40,680
other DP Yo Williams, who was
famous for see, I knew I would

1812
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,640
forget something at some point.
Jennifer.

1813
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,280
The world where you're the the
hunger.

1814
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,080
Games.
There we go.

1815
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,360
OK, yeah, yeah.
I never saw any of it so I

1816
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,880
wouldn't know.
But anyway, Yo Williams and and

1817
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:03,800
Walt Bithell were were The
Hunger Games crew in in the day

1818
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,440
of that show.
So he calls, Walt goes right

1819
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:08,880
after the morning show last
year.

1820
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:13,280
He goes, Yo has a small project
that's going to shoot right

1821
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:17,440
before and after the holidays,
and it's a remake of the hand

1822
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:20,120
that rocks the crate.
You know, I was like great

1823
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,200
movie, great movie.
How are?

1824
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,200
They going to approach.
Scared the living shit out of

1825
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:26,080
me, but great movie.
Yeah.

1826
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:31,160
Imagine being a nanny, applying
for gigs after that movie.

1827
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:35,000
Like our nanny, we put her
through the ringer, you know, it

1828
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,440
was like.
Weight of about 64 questions.

1829
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:39,440
Yeah, right.
And then we need you to live

1830
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:42,280
with us for a month before we
actually hire you.

1831
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,440
Yeah, well, Walt surprised me.
He goes, this is a small movie,

1832
01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:48,360
independent movie.
We're going to have to work for

1833
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,600
less than scale.
I hope it's OK, but it keeps us

1834
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,920
busy over the holidays.
And Mary Elizabeth Winstead is

1835
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,600
the actress.
And I was like, Oh my God, Ewan

1836
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,560
McGregor's wife.
Oh really?

1837
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:02,640
I'm going.
To work with Harrison Doula from

1838
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:06,760
Ahsoka, that's the reason she's
in Star Wars as well, and she's

1839
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,080
a great actress.
And.

1840
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:12,040
And so, yeah, so we we rolled
right on to that.

1841
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:17,040
And it was in LA, mind you, I
had to drive to Pomona for the

1842
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,000
first few weeks.
That was almost an hour both

1843
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,560
ways.
Oh no, I know it's.

1844
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,840
Not fun in traffic LA.
Traffic, yeah.

1845
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,560
But eventually we parked at this
house in Studio City for like 3

1846
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,920
1/2 weeks, almost 4 weeks, and
now it's 20 minutes from my

1847
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:34,200
house.
Cool.

1848
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:35,400
Yeah, that was.
Pretty cool.

1849
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,640
And then that wrapped.
And then Walt was like, hey,

1850
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,520
we're going back with David
Lanzenberg from the morning

1851
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,440
show.
He's got reshoots for another

1852
01:44:44,440 --> 01:44:47,600
slasher called I know What You
Did last Summer.

1853
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:51,800
Oh my goodness.
So we just did that briefly, was

1854
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:56,720
like a 3 1/2 week reshoot and
then and then all of a sudden

1855
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:03,360
the show's ended and now I've
been picking up commercials and

1856
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,880
a few things here and there.
Is that the hardest part of your

1857
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,040
gig?
Just the hustle in between stuff

1858
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:09,920
like making sure your calendar
is full.

1859
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:14,080
Yeah, well, luckily my Rolodex
exploded.

1860
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:15,160
Rolodex.
Yeah.

1861
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:21,400
But my my phone contacts
exploded when I joined the the

1862
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,960
Hollywood local set Lighting in
2010.

1863
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:28,440
Yeah, and the idea is that as a
programmer, it'd be great if I

1864
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:30,840
could stay with only one crew.
Yeah.

1865
01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:33,720
But then there's these pauses in
between, right?

1866
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:34,480
Where?
Yeah.

1867
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:36,560
I just got to keep it going so
some.

1868
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,200
Yeah, well, it's like touring
for one band, you know, unless

1869
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,560
it's Coldplay, who tours all
year, every year.

1870
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,000
But, you know, other than that,
like touring with one band,

1871
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,000
you'd starve to death.
Oh.

1872
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,720
My gosh, that's why I was so
lucky in in those touring days

1873
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,800
where I was juggling at least
two every year.

1874
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:55,120
Yeah, well, look at that.
You know, one of the miracles of

1875
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:59,720
modern life is Cosmo, because it
was like he had, he had

1876
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:04,840
Aerosmith, ACDC, Judas Priest,
and I think there was one other

1877
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,920
one in there and they always,
the tours never overlapped.

1878
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:10,360
It was always like one end.
Feeling that.

1879
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:12,120
Two weeks later, the next one
starts.

1880
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,160
You know I.
Had a sneaky feeling that

1881
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,720
management somehow talked to
each other to make sure it.

1882
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:19,240
Caused.
I don't know, it just seemed to

1883
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,080
always work out and and.
This one for me.

1884
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,280
Didn't I tell you this on the
last podcast that we did?

1885
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:29,080
The wildest one was when Michael
Lipman organized Rob Thomas solo

1886
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:33,120
tour and the George Michael
Australian dates around my

1887
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:34,440
schedule so that I could do
both.

1888
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:37,320
Wow, that's amazing.
That's big.

1889
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:41,120
You know, you know, you've kind
of done some things right when

1890
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:42,800
when people are willing to do
that.

1891
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:48,160
I was, I was freaking out
because I was never a part of 1

1892
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,240
camp.
Yeah, because I was always

1893
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,360
flying to the next one.
So I was on my own going am I

1894
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:54,920
going to the right place today?
Yeah.

1895
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:59,120
Wild.
Let me ask you this is so is

1896
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:05,080
there like a ladder in in your
world, like where you know, when

1897
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,080
you're a lighting programmer on
tour, you want to eventually

1898
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,080
become the lighting director and
then you want to become the

1899
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:13,880
lighting designer.
And then, you know, you might

1900
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,480
want to become the lighting
designer who doesn't direct, who

1901
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:20,320
gets to go home right after it
is done and and you just come

1902
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,880
out every once in a while like a
rock star and just make sure the

1903
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,640
rig still looks good or
whatever, right?

1904
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:29,040
So is there like can, is your
next step to become a gaffer or

1905
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,960
something or?
Oh well, I think my time has has

1906
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,400
passed on on taking big
responsibilities in the motion

1907
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,720
picture industry even though as
a key lighting programmer on big

1908
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:40,920
shows.
Yeah.

1909
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:46,720
I have sometimes about 25 people
that are directly.

1910
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,400
Oh wow.
Under my supervision to make

1911
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,520
sure that by the time I show up
on and the new set of the day

1912
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:58,080
that everything is ready.
And I, I, that's why I, I make

1913
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:03,120
these long Facebook posts
sometimes to show that I can't

1914
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:06,520
do what I can do without so many
different people.

1915
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,600
And it starts with the rigging
programmer most of the time.

1916
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,680
Because if I didn't have a
rigging programmer, there's no

1917
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:16,880
way I'm allowed to work more
than 12 to 14 hours a day.

1918
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:22,480
So how can the other stuff get
done for tomorrow's work, Right.

1919
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:24,240
So it starts with a good rigging
programmer.

1920
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,200
And then after that it's it's
what we call lighting control

1921
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:34,920
network utility technicians who
understand data management of

1922
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,240
the 21st century.
Because in the old days they

1923
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,080
just had a few universes and
they used Opti splitters and

1924
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,440
five pin cable.
Well, try to do that with 36

1925
01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:47,280
universes.
I have got a photo somewhere of

1926
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:53,080
a data table that has 36 Optis
that are receiving 5 pin from

1927
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:58,440
DPA, thousands I guess.
And then it's just a spider web

1928
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,720
of freaking 5 pins going
everywhere in the perms.

1929
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,040
What if you have a problem?
How do you troubleshoot that?

1930
01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:07,960
So I want to say that around the
time that we did Captain Marvel,

1931
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:13,520
which was in 2018 is when we all
decided, wait a second, let's

1932
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:20,520
just use the, the, the art net
port of a, of a, of an HPU or,

1933
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:24,240
or rack hog or whatever.
And then we eventually switched

1934
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:30,600
ACN and then just run single
lines of CAT6 everywhere nodes

1935
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,320
and then transform it at the
last possible moment to 5 pin

1936
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:38,880
before the light.
But that takes what we call

1937
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,920
skilled labor.
And that's people who take the

1938
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,960
time to take our classes that
are local teachers every month

1939
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,880
or every couple months because
we have a phenomenal director of

1940
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,240
safety training, Alan Rowe at
Local 728.

1941
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:59,640
And he always makes sure that he
gives basic console classes,

1942
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:03,880
basic networking classes, and
then the advanced classes so

1943
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:07,840
that crew members have the
opportunity to learn these high

1944
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:13,240
skills of networking of why do
we do static IP versus the HCP?

1945
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:16,440
Why do we?
What's the difference between

1946
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:19,440
Hognet and Fixture net?
What's, you know, all that kind

1947
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:23,520
of stuff that the old school
technician that was used to

1948
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:27,640
taking 100 amp, plugging it into
a distro and flicking the light

1949
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:31,880
on, that's not that anymore
because now all our lights have

1950
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,640
computers in them.
Well, yeah, we've gone from,

1951
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:39,200
we've gone from sort of a
generalist to a specialist sort

1952
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:43,160
of thing on, on shows at at
least, you know, you have a lot

1953
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:46,800
more people who are specialists
now as opposed to, hey, you

1954
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,760
know, go over there and grab
that thing, you know, and like,

1955
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,200
I mean, everyone kind of knew
everything.

1956
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,840
Like one day you were a lighting
guy, the next day you were front

1957
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:57,480
of house audio, the next day you
were the production manager.

1958
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,720
Yeah, yeah, in.
Hollywood, that's the only place

1959
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:04,760
in North America where we have
specific unions for every trade,

1960
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,200
whereas everybody everywhere
else in North America it's multi

1961
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:14,040
trade, single locals so.
You know, I was asking you like,

1962
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:16,000
can you move sort of up the
ladder?

1963
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:22,440
But you know, you've obviously
sort of risen to the top of the

1964
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:25,320
food chain as far as lighting
programmers are concerned.

1965
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:29,240
Like you get very, very good
stuff thrown at you and you're

1966
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:30,880
trusted to do those shows and
stuff.

1967
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,920
So how do you expand in that
role?

1968
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,680
Like, can you demand more money
or does the union dictate how

1969
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:39,000
much money you're allowed to
make?

1970
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:40,120
Well.
Scale is always.

1971
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:43,720
Scale is always the minimum that
you should be paid.

1972
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:46,520
OK, for.
Your your position and then it's

1973
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,960
up to you to see if you can
negotiate above scale.

1974
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,160
On the.
Scope of work.

1975
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:58,600
So when I, when I'm going to
have lighting components thrown

1976
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:05,120
at me from, you know, main unit
rigging costumes, prop and

1977
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,840
fixtures as well, because
there's an, there's a small sub

1978
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,720
department of lighting called
fixtures.

1979
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,920
And those guys on a Star Wars
show they're in, they're,

1980
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:16,720
they're in charge of wiring
every single button you see on a

1981
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,520
door or on a console.
And every single one has to have

1982
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:20,880
a number.
Because if.

1983
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,680
The director goes that blue one,
that's the one he's going to

1984
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:25,760
push, and when he pushes it,
it's got to go off.

1985
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:28,880
So.
So all those buttons have to

1986
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,760
have a number, which means at
that point I need to have plot

1987
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,720
views in my consoles of every
button.

1988
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:38,520
Right.
So it's a little complicated.

1989
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:42,360
It gets really complicated, and
if I didn't have that support

1990
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,360
from the rigging programmer and
all the lighting control utility

1991
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:51,280
technicians, I would show up in
deep shit every morning.

1992
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:54,080
Yeah, yeah.
So it's great to be in charge

1993
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:57,600
because I'm the one who lays
down the Bible of do this this

1994
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,800
way, do this, this way, but
don't do that.

1995
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,320
But don't do.
That I've got like 100 things.

1996
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,960
So you can command more money,
you know, basically like

1997
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:10,480
somebody who is just breaking
into this from being a nightclub

1998
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:14,000
light jockey or something and he
happens to know how to run a hog

1999
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:17,160
really well.
But he could get in and and join

2000
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:21,280
the union and and eventually get
put on to some B show or

2001
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,080
something and work his way up a
little bit.

2002
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:25,880
But he's going to make a lot
less money than you are.

2003
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,200
So I was hopeful that you would
say that because I just thought

2004
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:32,240
you were going out, you know,
with your lunch box and making

2005
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,920
the exact same wage that some
schmuck was making.

2006
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:36,720
You could kind.
Of I don't.

2007
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,160
Know how unions work?
Really.

2008
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,040
So you.
Could just ask for a percentage

2009
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,280
above scale.
But then there's also the fact

2010
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:44,720
that I rent my equipment.
Yeah.

2011
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:46,400
What was the other thing I was
going to ask here?

2012
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,080
Are the consoles that you use
yours?

2013
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:54,440
Oh yes, I've invested in in
seven HP US and my current full

2014
01:53:54,440 --> 01:53:55,760
bore 4.
Yeah.

2015
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,080
And then I have a smaller rig
when when it's time to go in a

2016
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,240
car process situation just to
make it smaller.

2017
01:54:02,440 --> 01:54:05,040
Yeah.
But then I get to rent that back

2018
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:08,000
to production as a business
entity.

2019
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,320
They always try to say, oh,
that's a box rental on your

2020
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:12,520
paycheck.
No.

2021
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,200
Yeah.
I'm not the only one touching

2022
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:16,200
it.
There's going to be.

2023
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,680
Other crew members that are
going to touch it, so you're

2024
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,560
going to ensure it.
And you're.

2025
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:23,120
Oh, is that how that works?
Oh.

2026
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,720
Yeah.
So if if you're just using it as

2027
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:29,880
a tool, a box rental or whatever
it's called, then it's your

2028
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,320
problem.
That's right.

2029
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,360
Ah, I see.
Nice little snag.

2030
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,960
Good find on that one.
That's right.

2031
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:42,040
So do you have No, it's it's
been it's been great that I know

2032
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,560
that I can.
I've found my my place.

2033
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,400
I mean, many years ago, if I
hadn't taken a left turn and

2034
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,760
toured for 27 years, maybe I
would be a cinematographer.

2035
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,680
If I want to be a
cinematographer at 55, No.

2036
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:02,000
Because or. 56 Damn it, I had to
correct you.

2037
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:03,240
Yeah.
The.

2038
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:05,960
Director of photography,
Cinematographer.

2039
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:10,200
That's the same position, right?
DPS that's a tough life because

2040
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:13,080
they have six months of prep for
a project where they just

2041
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:17,080
constantly talk about the look
of the show, motivation as to

2042
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,520
why the lighting is going to be
like this in this particular

2043
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,600
scene versus that scene.
Is it day, is it night, blah,

2044
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,480
blah, blah.
But then they then they shoot

2045
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,160
for four months and then they're
supposed to go into the, the,

2046
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:34,920
the post production session to
color time every scene so that

2047
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:39,960
they all have a stylistic look.
Most DPS have no life.

2048
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:44,360
They just constantly are working
on, on that stuff and it's, it

2049
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,880
affects their, their, their
family life a little bit.

2050
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:49,920
It's a tough job.
It's a tough job to be a

2051
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:51,520
cinematographer.
I get it.

2052
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,000
You're also, you're thinking of
lighting, you're also thinking

2053
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:59,120
of camera placement and, and
camera moves and, and, and

2054
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,920
composition and all that stuff.
So I'd love to do that, but

2055
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:06,720
maybe 20 years ago.
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to think

2056
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:10,080
about like big, big career
changes like that when you're

2057
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,920
although, you know, you keep
hearing stories about people who

2058
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:19,360
made most of their their money
after 60 or after 70.

2059
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:21,680
That's true.
Like some of these guys, you

2060
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:23,200
know, it's.
Experience, if you bring

2061
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:25,680
experience and you also bring a
guarantee that you're going to

2062
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:27,480
deliver.
Yeah, yeah.

2063
01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:29,600
In the old days.
Imagine the old days of movie

2064
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:31,600
making when it was on film,
right?

2065
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:37,320
And film cost a fair amount of
money to to.

2066
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:39,960
And you couldn't shoot for hours
because it's.

2067
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:43,400
The producer told you how many
reels you had, and then you had

2068
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:47,240
to shoot within those reels.
There were probably 10 DPS

2069
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,280
worldwide that would guarantee
you a movie.

2070
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,920
Yeah.
Now, because it's digital and

2071
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,480
then the cards record like an
hour and a half of material

2072
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:03,360
before you switch the card.
There's thousands of of DPS out

2073
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,800
there because they, yeah, they
see it right away.

2074
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:11,080
They have a vision in their mind
and it's a it's a tough world,

2075
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:14,440
especially now that there's so
many, so many crew members that

2076
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:18,120
can deliver a movie, but they're
all being shot elsewhere.

2077
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,200
Yeah, do do you lose any sleep
over AI?

2078
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:29,800
I, I try not to, I try not to
worry about it because I feel

2079
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:36,680
like until I can see a soul in
those eyes, I'm not worried

2080
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:41,160
because right now everything I
see is wonderful eye candy.

2081
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:46,000
There's no soul in those people
that are generated by AI.

2082
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:47,640
How much have you watched
though?

2083
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,000
Because some of it's getting
pretty damn good.

2084
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:52,920
Oh, I'm sure it's.
Going to be it's going to be.

2085
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,080
Yeah.
Well, that's why the the strikes

2086
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:58,880
were important for the writers
and the actors to make sure that

2087
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:02,760
they wouldn't get replaced by
AI.

2088
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:08,400
Yeah.
And so I think they probably

2089
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:13,280
will just like every other role
in the world is not necessarily

2090
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:18,120
gonna be replaced right away,
but certainly augmented, you

2091
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:21,840
know, maybe maybe like the main
actors will still be the main

2092
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:27,480
actors, but the secondary ones
will be AI or, you know, maybe.

2093
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:30,920
The actor relate relate to to
somebody that's not there.

2094
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:34,680
You know, there's that whole
relationship thing about.

2095
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:36,640
The it's the whole metaverse, my
friend.

2096
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:40,640
You know, it's it's you make
them there, Yeah.

2097
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,560
I it wasn't AI, but here's
you've seen all the the the the

2098
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,240
shows recently where they DH
actors.

2099
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,200
Yeah, yeah.
So they did a great job on

2100
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:52,680
Harrison Ford in the last
Indiana Jones.

2101
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:55,200
They did great on Samuel L
Jackson and kept.

2102
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,680
Yeah.
That's cool.

2103
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,320
Yeah.
If it's if it's if they're using

2104
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:04,280
AI for that kind of stuff,
that's cool because it's still

2105
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:07,600
the real performance.
And then the face is de aged.

2106
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,400
Yeah.
But to tell me that I'm going to

2107
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:15,040
like Robert Downey Junior is
ready to sue anybody into

2108
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,640
oblivion for using his likeness
after he dies.

2109
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:22,520
He's got it all in place.
Yeah, Nobody's going to be able

2110
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:24,280
to use his likeness after he's.
Gone.

2111
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:26,840
Yeah, but what if, what if that
were to flip where somebody

2112
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:30,680
comes and makes a deal with him
and says we'll pay your family X

2113
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:34,680
amount of money for allowing us
to keep doing Iron Man movies,

2114
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:39,680
you know, for the next 50 years.
And most people will.

2115
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:41,360
Most people will.
Why wouldn't you?

2116
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,960
Why wouldn't you license, you
know, your future likelihood?

2117
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:46,280
Yeah.
But The thing is, they're like

2118
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:48,240
the end of the day.
It's not them, it's a new

2119
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:50,320
version of them.
That's not, but that's the whole

2120
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,240
world right now.
You and I are old, so we don't

2121
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,680
necessarily get it, but kids do,
you know, like Kiss is going to

2122
01:59:56,680 --> 02:00:00,360
go on for 100 years and and a
lot of things are going to go

2123
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:01,240
on.
There's going to be a new

2124
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:04,520
Godfather with, you know, the
original actors in it, you know?

2125
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,360
I mean, it's going to happen.
It's bound to happen.

2126
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:11,040
This is the new unit.
I'm not advocating for it.

2127
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:14,920
I'm just saying you know you can
nay it away.

2128
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:17,440
It isn't going.
You know this is happening.

2129
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:19,960
It's all happening right now.
Like have you been in a car

2130
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:24,240
without a steering wheel yet?
A Waymo without a steering

2131
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:25,760
wheel.
Well, the steering wheel is

2132
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,640
there.
Well, no, there's they have them

2133
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:29,040
now.
Without them, they have Teslas

2134
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:30,520
now without steering wheels in
them.

2135
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:32,920
No steering wheels, nothing, you
know.

2136
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:36,400
Yeah, I like Waymo.
Waymo's cool because I there is

2137
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,600
a museum here in LA called the
Peterson.

2138
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,840
Yeah, it's phenomenal.
And on the 2nd floor they have

2139
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:47,680
the all the future technology
and the concept cars and all

2140
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:51,400
that stuff.
And recently they did three

2141
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:54,800
massive booths to explain Waymo.
Oh, really?

2142
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:59,800
And it's so well done because it
shows you what Waymo sees as far

2143
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:05,120
as LIDAR and infrared night
vision.

2144
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:09,680
It sees so much compared to the
the joke.

2145
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:13,520
Yeah, well and people still want
to trust like an old lady with,

2146
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:18,080
you know, 2 martinis in her
over, you know, some AI computer

2147
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:21,440
created by Elon's team or
whatever, you know, like it.

2148
02:01:22,040 --> 02:01:26,160
I think self driving is going to
save a lot of human lives.

2149
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:29,920
I'll tell you when that does.
It will when all the cars talk

2150
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:32,960
to each other.
If it's just true, the Waymos

2151
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,600
and the Teslas, no, it's not
going to work every car.

2152
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:37,560
Has.
True.

2153
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:40,160
The same network, True.
And at that point, nobody's

2154
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:42,800
going to own cars anymore.
They're going to be on the

2155
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,400
street parked.
Well, that's that's the future.

2156
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:47,600
I want to go here.
Yeah, no, that's the future.

2157
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:49,960
That's absolutely the future.
Kasimov saw it.

2158
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,720
Philip K Dick saw it.
Yeah, yeah.

2159
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:56,280
No, I mean, Uber was originally
sort of designed without

2160
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:59,240
drivers, or at least that was
part of the thought was that we

2161
02:01:59,240 --> 02:02:01,600
won't have drivers.
This is just going to connect

2162
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:04,000
sort of these point to point
vehicles.

2163
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:08,320
And but yeah, you know, some of
it really excites me.

2164
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:09,800
Some of it scares the hell out
of me.

2165
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:11,080
You know, it's, it's well, you
know.

2166
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:15,880
Where because we're careening
towards all the scenarios that

2167
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:17,600
we've seen, whether it's
Terminator.

2168
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:21,080
Or, of course, yeah, it's all
the shows.

2169
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:24,520
The Jetsons.
James Cameron himself right now

2170
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:27,320
said it in a documentary, I
can't remember which one, but he

2171
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:30,600
said it's really getting hard to
write science fiction because

2172
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:32,440
we're here.
Yeah, it's science real.

2173
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:35,000
It's science non fiction now.
We're here now.

2174
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:37,480
Yeah.
Isn't it wild though how fast it

2175
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:40,160
happened?
I know the kids these days will

2176
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:44,560
watch all kinds of scrolling
nonsense and all that stuff, but

2177
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:48,440
God damn it, I hope.
I hope they see right through a

2178
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:54,080
soulless AI character.
They won't, they won't, you know

2179
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:56,080
they won't.
They already spend all day

2180
02:02:56,080 --> 02:03:00,360
scrolling AI you know posts on
on TikTok.

2181
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:02,920
You know, that's on us.
That's on us then, to keep

2182
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:04,920
bringing our kids to the movie.
Theater.

2183
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,800
Well, good for you for doing
that No good for you for doing

2184
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,520
that.
I do the same with my kid like

2185
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:13,000
real music, real stuff, real
whatever, right?

2186
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:17,720
Like, you know, it's why some of
these changes that are happening

2187
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:21,760
in the world bother me a little
bit because like, you know, for

2188
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:25,840
example, Canada, Canadian
culture is dead.

2189
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:30,600
Like, you know, I spend 6 months
a year in Canada and I don't

2190
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:33,120
recognize it.
And it's, it's only an hour away

2191
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:35,200
from where I grew up, but I
don't recognize it.

2192
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:40,200
I live in Canmore when I'm up
there and and, you know, I just

2193
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:43,120
don't even recognize Canmore is
the same because it's a little

2194
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:46,800
town, but Calgary, forget it.
Like I don't recognize Calgary

2195
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,000
and it's because, yeah, I don't
want to get into it, but it's

2196
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:54,120
because of a lot of things.
It's because of primarily one

2197
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:57,360
big thing.
But you know, so that's kind of.

2198
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,160
I I can't tell you how much I
enjoyed living in.

2199
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:04,880
Calgary, It's a fantastic city
that's sadly changing a little

2200
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:06,000
too rapidly right now.
Food was.

2201
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:08,080
So good.
Yeah, there's.

2202
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,120
So much.
You know what Canmore is a tiny

2203
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:12,840
little town, but the food's
incredible.

2204
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,080
Banff has great food too.
Yeah, more expensive because

2205
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:19,280
Banff is another notch up on the
tourism stuff, but.

2206
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:23,160
If you go to Lake Louise, even.
Lake Louise, There's a small

2207
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:26,400
hotel in Lake Louise.
If you go back there, there's a

2208
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:28,600
hotel called The Post in Lake
Louise.

2209
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:30,360
That's.
Where we stayed, the family

2210
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:32,160
came.
During the the wine list in the

2211
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:35,920
restaurant, it's, I can't
remember exactly, I think it's

2212
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:40,320
the second largest wine list in
Canada.

2213
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:46,000
That little restaurant is the
second I so I toured that cellar

2214
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:49,000
a couple times, the wine cellar.
It's remarkable.

2215
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:50,080
I never.
Seen anything like it?

2216
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:51,920
I missed that.
But you can ask them to show it

2217
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,040
to you and.
I'll show You came in in August

2218
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:58,680
2019 when we were shooting
Ghostbusters and we rented well,

2219
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:02,120
we, we booked a room at the Post
that was not cheap and.

2220
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:05,480
Way worse now.
But yeah, we had such a great

2221
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:07,440
day because when we woke up it
was raining.

2222
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:10,440
So my, my wife and daughter
goes, oh, our day is ruined.

2223
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:12,560
I said, we're going to Lake
Louise.

2224
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:14,320
That's above the clouds.
Yeah.

2225
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,200
And so we just went up there,
and it was just breaking in the

2226
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:18,360
morning.
Yeah.

2227
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:22,640
And my daughter didn't have
gloves, so we waited until the

2228
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:24,760
gift shop opened.
And all they had were socks.

2229
02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:26,800
So in all the pictures she's
wearing socks.

2230
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,360
That's hilarious.
That's so funny.

2231
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,480
I was.
I was first in line and I rented

2232
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,480
the damn canoe when the two of
us went.

2233
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:37,360
Good for you on lake.
Well, the other thing you can,

2234
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:41,440
you can do horseback around the
the trails on the side of it.

2235
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:44,520
You can do all kinds of things.
I've done sleigh rides in the

2236
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:48,440
summer across the lake.
It's a beautiful place.

2237
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:50,800
It's amazing.
You know, again, all of those

2238
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:53,880
places are changing and it's
it's just because of, you know,

2239
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:55,720
the way the population is
shaping up.

2240
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:59,640
And like now you have to pay for
parking at Lake Louise.

2241
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,200
I never had to pay for parking
my whole life, you know, but the

2242
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:06,520
last few years you got to pay
for parking and you can only go

2243
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:09,000
certain places.
It's insane.

2244
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:12,360
It's wild now it is wild how how
crazy.

2245
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:16,320
Well, even in Canmore, like some
of the popular little trails

2246
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:18,920
that when people come up to
visit and they're not like avid

2247
02:06:18,920 --> 02:06:22,760
hikers, you know, I'll take them
on the popular beautiful, like

2248
02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:26,520
with the big win at the end, the
big moment at the end, you know,

2249
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:30,120
and you can't even get in the
parking lots like they're so

2250
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:31,760
full.
Fortunately, there's some that

2251
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:34,360
you can walk to from my house or
ride a bike to.

2252
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:38,840
But yeah, it's, it's wild.
It's so crowded.

2253
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:45,040
I had a oh touring Never again
or never know or I'll.

2254
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:49,960
Tell you what happened, like I
said, I was designing matchboxes

2255
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,760
next to or right before COVID
shut us down.

2256
02:06:55,720 --> 02:07:02,960
And I don't want to get into
some nasty politics, but I

2257
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:06,160
already had a bad taste in my
mouth about where everything was

2258
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:10,520
in the touring world since I
started right at right at the

2259
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:16,760
tail end of of the 80s where
when you toured, you would have

2260
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:20,760
local promoters in every town
that cared about their town,

2261
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:24,240
cared about their venue and
cared about the artists that

2262
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:29,680
they booked into those venues.
So if you went to the River Port

2263
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,800
Amphitheatre in Saint Louis, you
knew that SUNY would be there.

2264
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:41,240
Amazing, amazing guy.
And I saw it in the mid to late

2265
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:46,600
90s when Clear Channel appeared
out of nowhere, started scooping

2266
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:54,080
venues, turned into Live Nation.
I'm sorry, but that's everything

2267
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:59,400
changed and then and you have to
understand I had, I had a plan

2268
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:05,440
to transition during my George
Michael experience from O 6 to

2269
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:08,400
2012.
You know, if I just clipped that

2270
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,760
little, little segment and put
it out as a short on the

2271
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:14,440
Internet, I had a chance to
transition while I was with

2272
02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:18,760
George Michael from people would
read that completely

2273
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:20,800
differently.
I know it's because you know

2274
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,120
when you climb the mountaintop,
right?

2275
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:27,560
Right.
All my career was about being

2276
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:32,160
the guy that that would that
would tour with a big band or a

2277
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,680
big artist in stadiums
worldwide.

2278
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:37,560
Well, I did that.
I was able to finally accomplish

2279
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:39,600
that with Metallica and George.
Yeah.

2280
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,720
And I wasn't the boss on, on
Metallica, but I technically was

2281
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:46,760
the boss on on George.
He was the boss and he was the

2282
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:49,160
best boss I've ever had.
But it.

2283
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:52,400
But then, then I had the
realization of two things.

2284
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:57,520
I don't have a kid yet, I'm over
40 and if I don't get off the

2285
02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:00,680
bus I'll be 60 with no kid and
probably no. 1.

2286
02:09:01,480 --> 02:09:05,600
So I have to make a decision and
it was the best decision I took

2287
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:10,200
because I also decided I have
the chops to switch to movies

2288
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:17,480
and and then the union, the best
medical package in the, in the

2289
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:23,000
US as far as I'm concerned.
And it helped us with, with,

2290
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:27,680
with the pregnancy and, and, and
it was amazing.

2291
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:30,520
It was the right call.
It was the right call because I

2292
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:32,760
made it to the mountaintop in
the touring world.

2293
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:38,680
And if I had a transporter, just
like Star Trek, that would beam

2294
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:44,880
me to the venue before I call
house lights, do the show, call

2295
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:48,960
house lights, beam back to my
living room, I'd be I'd I'd keep

2296
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:50,320
touring.
It's pretty much what I say

2297
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,360
every time someone invites me to
a show.

2298
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:55,720
I'm like, send a helicopter to
my house, pick me up, take me to

2299
02:09:55,720 --> 02:09:58,920
front of house, I'll watch the
show, give you a big hug, and

2300
02:09:58,920 --> 02:10:00,320
then they take me back home
again.

2301
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:01,640
I don't have to deal with
parking.

2302
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:04,320
I don't have to deal with
politics or bullshit or people

2303
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,680
spilling beer on me or anything.
And.

2304
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:09,000
There was a 5.
There was a five year break

2305
02:10:09,160 --> 02:10:12,440
between the last George Michael
tour and my last tour with with

2306
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:16,760
Matchbox in 2017 and then I
designed Rob's solo tour in

2307
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:22,120
2019, but for financial reasons
it was better to have someone

2308
02:10:22,120 --> 02:10:23,240
else.
Yeah.

2309
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:26,920
Go out.
I could tell that that kind of

2310
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:30,160
vibe was coming to a close.
Yeah.

2311
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:34,920
Especially because after COVID,
Matchbox kept rescheduling

2312
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:35,680
every.
Year.

2313
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,360
Every year.
For different reasons that I

2314
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:44,000
don't want to get into.
And eventually I was, I mean, we

2315
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:45,720
went through what I've done
since COVID.

2316
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:48,600
I was.
Knee deep in so many massive

2317
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:50,840
projects at some point.
Why would you even think of it?

2318
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:53,000
Yeah.
And to be honest, Michael

2319
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:55,920
Hittman, great manager, I love
him.

2320
02:10:56,320 --> 02:11:00,760
He gave me a 20 year run with
with Matchbox, Rob and George.

2321
02:11:01,880 --> 02:11:06,120
His time was also coming to an
end because of his age and his

2322
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:09,840
health.
And so at some point it made

2323
02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:15,000
made sense for Matchbox to look
somewhere else because I can see

2324
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:19,760
how the those guys felt not
forced to use me.

2325
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:23,960
But Michael was the one saying
Benoit's available, he's going

2326
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:25,280
to do, he's going to do
something.

2327
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:29,440
So I was so happy when the
schedules didn't make sense and

2328
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:31,880
I was sad that my time with them
was over.

2329
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,720
And then all of a sudden I heard
sooner was doing it and I was

2330
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:37,400
like.
Yeah, they're set.

2331
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:42,400
They're going to be great, so.
So at that point it was it was

2332
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,960
the door on touring closed.
And guess what?

2333
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:49,600
During the strikes of the union,
I felt like an ass because I was

2334
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:54,000
like, do I really go back on the
road during the strike?

2335
02:11:55,240 --> 02:11:59,440
No, I'm I'm physically not in a
good place right now.

2336
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:03,040
I better take this time.
To to get better and.

2337
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:06,760
Plus, I don't know anybody
anymore on the touring world.

2338
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:13,880
All my my old contacts are
retired or or not in the game

2339
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:17,920
anymore or whatever.
And So what am I going to do?

2340
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:21,160
Sell myself on something that I
did 10 years ago?

2341
02:12:21,400 --> 02:12:23,160
I'm not current.
Yeah, it's.

2342
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:26,360
Over and I don't care.
It's it's it's it's.

2343
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:29,480
So if you got a call though, if
you got a call, come design for

2344
02:12:29,480 --> 02:12:31,680
us and and you know, we want you
out.

2345
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:34,040
Yes, that's.
That's a different thing.

2346
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:37,960
That's a different thing because
I still have the chops and I

2347
02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:40,280
just proved it to myself a few
weeks ago.

2348
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:43,160
Yeah, because another friend of
mine, Chuck Jose, is a really

2349
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:49,320
cool DP who I did 4 Carrie
Underwood Sunday Night Football

2350
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:51,000
intros with.
Oh, fun.

2351
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:57,160
Yeah, as soon as Carrie began,
it was the summer of 2013.

2352
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:59,320
It was her first year for that
season.

2353
02:12:59,640 --> 02:13:04,120
And Chuck had done a few music
videos with Carrie and he was

2354
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:08,240
hired to be the DP for the
Sunday Night Football intro.

2355
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:12,640
And so he called me and he goes,
I have no idea what to do for

2356
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:14,560
rock'n'roll design.
Can you do it?

2357
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:16,840
And I was like, absolutely.
I'm in New York right now on

2358
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:20,120
Amazing Spider Man 2.
But I'll, I'll, I'll design it

2359
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:22,600
and I'll come right on time to
shoot it with you.

2360
02:13:23,640 --> 02:13:26,760
And so it turned into four out
of five years.

2361
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:31,400
Great, great partnership.
But then, my gosh.

2362
02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:35,320
So that was 2018 maybe.
Yeah, the last time we did it.

2363
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,960
And then it took until this year
where he called me and he goes,

2364
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:41,560
I've got something cool that I
really need your help on.

2365
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:46,200
It's AI.
Can't say it's, it's for a mouse

2366
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:49,640
entertainment company.
I signed an NDA on that.

2367
02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:52,800
It'll come out next year so
we'll have a chat on Podcast 3.

2368
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:57,920
But the but the cool thing is I
was so proud of Chuck because in

2369
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:01,480
that time span since we did
those Carrie Underwood intros,

2370
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:06,440
he got an interest in designing
rock'n'roll rigs and he actually

2371
02:14:06,440 --> 02:14:10,400
delivered a design to me for
this little project we did 3

2372
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:11,800
weeks ago.
That's cool.

2373
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:16,560
And, and all I had to do was was
be the lighting director and

2374
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:24,400
programmer for him.
And I used L8 at home to put it

2375
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:27,360
in previz.
And then I did my usual thing,

2376
02:14:27,800 --> 02:14:30,720
first pass of every song, five
hours.

2377
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:34,760
That's if you want something
that's going to be unique to

2378
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:39,720
that song with specific lighting
gags that you won't see again.

2379
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,320
Yeah, you gotta take time.
You gotta take the time.

2380
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,600
Especially because we have magic
panels and and all and.

2381
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:50,560
And so for now, until a until AI
does it, and then it won't take

2382
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:52,800
any time at all.
That little box they sell?

2383
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:53,960
There.
I know, I know.

2384
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:54,800
Yeah.
Anyway.

2385
02:14:56,840 --> 02:15:02,440
So so I I spent 40 hours on 8
songs and.

2386
02:15:02,440 --> 02:15:06,560
I delivered.
Them to a beautiful sound stage

2387
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:11,000
in LA at La center and they had
a volume, which is the new way

2388
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:15,440
of shooting cool shows now or
it's a curved video screen and A

2389
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:20,640
and a ceiling of video and the
cameras track their positions so

2390
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:25,240
that when they when they move,
the video kind of moves with it

2391
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:27,640
so that the perspective doesn't
change on the lens.

2392
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:33,560
Interesting.
And we shot 8 songs of of a cool

2393
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:38,560
project that's going to come out
soon, and we made them look like

2394
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:41,480
they were in eight different
cities.

2395
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:45,440
That's awesome.
With a big rock show, so and

2396
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:49,400
then everybody was giving me
props for for the programming

2397
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:52,320
that I did.
And yes, so I still have it.

2398
02:15:52,360 --> 02:15:54,880
And if anybody wants to.
Hire and you'd still enjoy it.

2399
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:57,480
You'd still enjoy it other than
all the bullshit.

2400
02:15:57,800 --> 02:16:00,360
You know you could probably do
without the bullshit at this

2401
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:03,200
point because you're gainfully
employed doing other things

2402
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:04,440
anyways, so.
Yes.

2403
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:07,840
Well, the weird one.
The weird one to me in 2017 was

2404
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:13,000
when the Live Nation Rep was on
the tour bus with the tour

2405
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:15,840
manager and the production
manager and you could tell that

2406
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:18,760
they had more power.
Than actual production.

2407
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:22,760
Yeah, I've heard horror stories
now that that some production

2408
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:25,320
managers get fired if they don't
follow the.

2409
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:27,560
Rules, Yeah.
So it's not.

2410
02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:30,520
It's not the type of environment
that I want to be in.

2411
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:33,400
Well, you'd be surprised how
many of my guests on this

2412
02:16:33,400 --> 02:16:37,440
podcast that I talked to off the
off the air after the recording

2413
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:40,680
who say, you know, fuck this
industry, I'm so done with it.

2414
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,840
You know, I mean, just stuff
like what you're talking about,

2415
02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:47,240
but a lot more honestly off the
air obviously.

2416
02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:50,360
And, and, and I get it.
I mean, I get it.

2417
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:53,639
There's certainly a lot about
the sort of corporatization of

2418
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:57,320
the industry that's been very
good and then there's a lot that

2419
02:16:57,320 --> 02:17:01,639
hasn't been so good and if.
They own that much of it, yeah.

2420
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:04,639
Why is there no organization
against them?

2421
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:08,360
You know, it's funny because I
was having dinner with and I

2422
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:12,440
won't say who it was, but let's
say he was a pretty high up

2423
02:17:12,440 --> 02:17:18,040
person from, let's call it one
of the largest, you know,

2424
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:21,480
promoters out there.
Perhaps, you know, a couple of

2425
02:17:21,480 --> 02:17:27,760
initials could, could let you
figure out who they are and, and

2426
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:31,600
they're in a little bit of
trouble for a monopoly for, you

2427
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:33,320
know, they're being accused of a
monopoly.

2428
02:17:33,320 --> 02:17:36,280
And he goes, are selfish because
I asked him, I said, Hey, how's,

2429
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:38,080
how's that going?
Is there a lot of heat on you

2430
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:40,400
right now?
And he goes, oh, no, man.

2431
02:17:40,520 --> 02:17:43,840
And I said, what do you mean no?
And he goes, well, you know,

2432
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,480
it's just a bunch of bullshit.
It's just the government

2433
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:49,200
throwing shit around.
And it's it's the administration

2434
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:52,160
change too.
It's so far from being true.

2435
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:54,440
And I said, well, let me get
this straight.

2436
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:57,520
So you own the venues, you own
the tickets, you own the artist

2437
02:17:57,520 --> 02:18:01,200
contracts like you own every
part of this and.

2438
02:18:01,559 --> 02:18:05,320
You manage some of them.
And it's not a monopoly.

2439
02:18:06,360 --> 02:18:09,120
Seriously.
And he's like, wow, you know,

2440
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:13,280
you're oversimplifying it.
And I'm like, OK, whatever, but

2441
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,719
you know, hey, they got away
with it for this long.

2442
02:18:15,719 --> 02:18:18,360
Let's see if they continue to.
I don't know, like what do I

2443
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:19,840
know?
But it's.

2444
02:18:20,400 --> 02:18:22,600
Not the vibe that I grew up in.
Because I.

2445
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:24,799
Love that vibe of local
promoters.

2446
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:26,040
I told you that.
Oh, yeah.

2447
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:28,959
Well, I know a couple local
promoters who are just getting

2448
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:31,959
crushed right now between like
down here in South Florida.

2449
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:35,040
The other problem you have is,
is the Indian tribe who owned

2450
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:39,320
the Hard Rock down here, They're
bringing in every sort of B

2451
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:43,719
level artist and overpaying them
and they're blocking them from

2452
02:18:43,719 --> 02:18:46,400
playing any venue within a
certain number of miles, which

2453
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:50,160
kills Palm Beach, it kills Fort
Lauderdale, it kills Miami.

2454
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:54,440
And you know, so they're
basically blocked from playing

2455
02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:59,320
anywhere else in South Florida.
And, and they'll do like these

2456
02:18:59,320 --> 02:19:02,360
long term agreements where, you
know, we'll lock in for three

2457
02:19:02,360 --> 02:19:04,160
years or five years or
something.

2458
02:19:04,680 --> 02:19:08,920
And so these are these promoters
who have small venues or medium

2459
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:11,799
sized venues.
They're struggling to put

2460
02:19:11,799 --> 02:19:14,360
artists in them right now.
It, it's crazy.

2461
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:18,480
It really is crazy.
So yeah, well, I mean, there's

2462
02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:23,520
no doubt that I would always
entertain anybody who respects

2463
02:19:24,120 --> 02:19:26,559
the body of work that I was able
to accomplish over the.

2464
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:29,639
Well, you're just a good dude,
you know, you're not semi

2465
02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:32,760
retarded like a lot of the
people that might be out there

2466
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:33,959
working right now.
I don't know.

2467
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:37,120
Well, there's there's the other
thing too, about the fact that

2468
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:40,440
I've prided myself in, in
playing live, we talked about

2469
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:41,280
that.
Yeah.

2470
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:45,120
Podcast.
So whenever time code is a is a

2471
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:48,840
prerequisite.
I see.

2472
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:53,240
I mean, I, I go, I go to a fair
amount of shows and there's

2473
02:19:53,240 --> 02:19:58,920
nothing that bothers me more
than seeing the time code window

2474
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:03,360
open on an entire screen of the
Grand Ma or whatever console

2475
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:04,640
they're using.
Yeah.

2476
02:20:04,680 --> 02:20:07,680
And the guy is standing there,
his arms crossed.

2477
02:20:08,120 --> 02:20:11,400
Yeah, or he's having a drink
with the guests at front of

2478
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:14,120
house, you know.
It's OK, because that means that

2479
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:17,760
the lighting designer's vision
was captured, recorded.

2480
02:20:17,960 --> 02:20:20,720
Yeah, and it's being played back
the same way every night.

2481
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:26,480
I understand that there's a
value to that part, but what

2482
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:31,720
about what about the the
lighting artists like, you know,

2483
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:34,920
old school lighting artists,
John Broderick we talked about.

2484
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:39,400
Jason Bullock, you know, doing
all the rocking out at the desk,

2485
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:41,040
you know?
Mark Brickman in.

2486
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:44,320
His heyday, Mark Brickman, Did
you see the recent thing he did

2487
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:47,520
with David Gilmour where he
played the lights on the screen

2488
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:49,200
with the stylist?
Mark?

2489
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:53,240
Mark said to me, I think on this
podcast, he said, you know what?

2490
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:57,880
I decided that if this is going
to be my last gig, I'm I'm

2491
02:20:57,880 --> 02:21:00,920
running the lights live, there
will be zero time code.

2492
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:04,400
I am controlling the lights
during the show period.

2493
02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:06,440
I understand.
Why they do that?

2494
02:21:06,440 --> 02:21:09,240
Because they don't want to hire
a very expensive lighting

2495
02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:13,800
director or keep the designer on
the road because he's famous for

2496
02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:17,240
his manual operation.
Just record it and then let's

2497
02:21:17,240 --> 02:21:21,720
get some younger, cheaper person
to just babysit it.

2498
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:26,440
Yeah, I think some of it's even,
you know, the artist heard that

2499
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:29,560
through the Grapevine that
somebody was using timecode and

2500
02:21:29,560 --> 02:21:31,840
they're like, I want to use
timecode because, you know,

2501
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:34,120
Beyoncé's using timecode, I want
to use timecode.

2502
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:38,240
And sometimes it's George.
Asked me to George asked me in O

2503
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:41,360
7 to use timecode but it's so
funny how he brought it up.

2504
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:46,080
He goes.
Don't get me wrong Benoit, your

2505
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:49,360
timing is really good.
Yeah.

2506
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:54,880
If you could record a few
things, you would find that you

2507
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:59,160
could layer a bunch of stuff and
then you could operate on top of

2508
02:21:59,160 --> 02:22:00,200
that.
That's a good point.

2509
02:22:00,760 --> 02:22:05,960
I said great point, George.
So sure enough, because I've

2510
02:22:05,960 --> 02:22:10,560
been working with timecode for
years, I remember starting at

2511
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:13,480
high end in 94 and Tim Grievous,
the first thing he goes, he

2512
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:17,280
goes, you got to learn Sam
software time, code operation.

2513
02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:21,000
All our demos are automated.
So he put me in that world like

2514
02:22:21,160 --> 02:22:24,720
back in 94.
So in O 7, when George asked me,

2515
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:27,720
he was like, yeah, no problem.
So I had a Pro Tools mini rig.

2516
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:30,240
And was able.
To program all the the.

2517
02:22:30,600 --> 02:22:35,200
It was cool because I was able
to program 4 on the floor

2518
02:22:35,480 --> 02:22:38,720
perfectly timed.
But I did have a discussion with

2519
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:42,040
him about distance because I
said, as you know, sound travels

2520
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:45,280
a lot less slower than lighting.
So we have to time align the

2521
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:46,800
light shows somewhere in the
room.

2522
02:22:47,440 --> 02:22:50,240
If we time align it with you on
stage, you're going to have the

2523
02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:52,600
best time of your life because
it's going to be right on the

2524
02:22:52,600 --> 02:22:54,320
money.
But by the time you get to front

2525
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:56,800
of house, it's going to be so
early.

2526
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:01,320
And then at the back of the
house, it's going to be almost a

2527
02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:05,240
3/4 of a second early.
And I said, we're about to play

2528
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:08,360
in stadiums next year.
That's even going to be bigger.

2529
02:23:08,360 --> 02:23:10,280
So George was like, well, what
do you propose?

2530
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:12,720
And I said, well, why don't we
time align everything at the

2531
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:15,440
front of house, right?
So we just.

2532
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:18,160
Yeah, you're slicing it down the
middle, basically.

2533
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:22,160
It'll be late on stage.
Who cares about the front row?

2534
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:23,880
They're watching you.
Yeah.

2535
02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:27,120
Right.
So the first, first bunch of

2536
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:31,920
seats, it'll feel late, but at
front of house, right on the

2537
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:34,640
money and then in the back
early.

2538
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:38,760
And so we did that and he was so
happy, he loved it.

2539
02:23:38,920 --> 02:23:41,880
Everybody, all the VIPs are
always at front of house, right?

2540
02:23:41,880 --> 02:23:43,880
So everything was timed
perfectly right there.

2541
02:23:44,360 --> 02:23:49,600
And then we get to the stadium
tour, push the delay even more

2542
02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:52,640
because we're 175 feet from the
stage.

2543
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:58,400
Now Jesus A. 120 or 110?
The funny part was when we I

2544
02:23:58,400 --> 02:24:01,120
don't know if I said that in the
previous podcast, so I apologize

2545
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:02,200
if it's a real.
Good.

2546
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:09,560
Wembley Stadium 2007 George is
the first artist to open the

2547
02:24:09,560 --> 02:24:14,960
brand new Wembley Stadium 90,000
people, two nights, first night.

2548
02:24:15,160 --> 02:24:18,960
The second-half of the show will
be broadcast live on ITV 4.

2549
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:24,160
So I walk over to the sound guy
and I asked him.

2550
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:28,240
I said for today's performance,
can you eliminate all delays?

2551
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:32,360
So he was the one who was
setting the delays on the time

2552
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:38,600
code, the mix and the click
track that we could we could

2553
02:24:38,600 --> 02:24:40,480
hear the 1234 at the beginning
of song.

2554
02:24:41,080 --> 02:24:43,160
Because you sure?
You sure you want me to kill

2555
02:24:43,160 --> 02:24:45,320
them all?
I said yes, I have to be live to

2556
02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:48,400
the stage because the cameras
are going to be capturing the

2557
02:24:48,400 --> 02:24:52,720
band live and so the audio and
the lighting has to be right on

2558
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:54,520
the money.
OK, great.

2559
02:24:55,120 --> 02:25:00,320
So we start the show and I'm
pushing my in ears so deep in in

2560
02:25:00,320 --> 02:25:04,800
my ear canals because I'm
hearing I'm hearing the the,

2561
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:08,040
the, the the late PA and the
early mix in my.

2562
02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:10,360
Ears.
It was awful, but then I start

2563
02:25:10,360 --> 02:25:14,240
to look at the crowd on the
floor and everybody's like,

2564
02:25:16,360 --> 02:25:18,520
because their eyes are seeing.
The light show.

2565
02:25:18,520 --> 02:25:23,200
Is completely not in time right.
So we we make it through that

2566
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,640
show but luckily on TV it looked
great.

2567
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:31,640
It was on time the next day I go
Gary let's put all the delays

2568
02:25:31,640 --> 02:25:34,520
back in OK great.
He puts all the lays back in and

2569
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:39,080
then we do the second
performance and the entire floor

2570
02:25:39,080 --> 02:25:43,080
of Wembley jumping, dancing.
Oh really?

2571
02:25:43,160 --> 02:25:44,840
They were way more into it.
That's when.

2572
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:47,920
I saw that that my theory.
It matters, Yeah.

2573
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:50,880
So some of your some of your
live timing.

2574
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:54,240
Did you pick up from Broderick?
Because he, he's like a master

2575
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:57,720
of, of, you know.
You definitely set me straight

2576
02:25:57,880 --> 02:25:59,880
on.
Early is better than late.

2577
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:05,120
Yeah.
I was lucky because remember

2578
02:26:05,320 --> 02:26:08,560
when we when we talked about my
early career?

2579
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:11,920
Yeah, the first band ever was a
Genesis tribute.

2580
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:14,760
Yeah.
So I sorted out timing.

2581
02:26:15,080 --> 02:26:16,880
Yeah, right there.
And that's true when I was a

2582
02:26:16,880 --> 02:26:18,240
young.
Kid Yeah.

2583
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:20,840
And then April wine was not that
easy either.

2584
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:24,200
Yeah, triple guitar solos and.
You know, they're touring now

2585
02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:27,240
with, oh, I think they have one
original member still.

2586
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:29,840
Yeah, exactly have.
To reach out to Brian.

2587
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:33,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw one of Miles last shows.

2588
02:26:33,960 --> 02:26:36,160
It was in Calgary.
Was it last summer?

2589
02:26:36,320 --> 02:26:40,800
Summer before, I guess summer
before and it was one of his

2590
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:43,080
last shows.
I think he played maybe 10 after

2591
02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:46,600
that or something and, and and
then he was done and then he

2592
02:26:46,600 --> 02:26:51,000
died.
Well, yeah, I always remember my

2593
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:52,560
time with them.
Yeah, it.

2594
02:26:52,840 --> 02:26:55,360
Was really cool, but it
definitely set me straight on

2595
02:26:55,360 --> 02:27:00,680
timing so that by the time I
ended up with JB, he knew I

2596
02:27:00,680 --> 02:27:02,520
could handle it.
Yeah, he really did.

2597
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:06,800
Yeah, I always, I always just
thought of John as as someone

2598
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:12,280
who like not everyone gave a
shit about timing, but he really

2599
02:27:12,280 --> 02:27:14,160
did.
And I remember I was at

2600
02:27:14,600 --> 02:27:17,960
upstaging one time and I it must
have been rehearsals for

2601
02:27:17,960 --> 02:27:23,400
Metallica or something.
And he was trying out the hog,

2602
02:27:23,560 --> 02:27:30,280
maybe even the hog one, and and
he made them bring in a an AVO

2603
02:27:30,280 --> 02:27:35,520
console and he was doing like
some kind of DMX to analog to

2604
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:40,320
DMX thing, you know, because it
was too slow, like the latency

2605
02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:43,120
on the digital.
Console system on digital means

2606
02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:45,320
delayed.
That's the big line, Yeah.

2607
02:27:45,320 --> 02:27:48,720
What we did on the first tour I
did with him with Metallica Load

2608
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:51,360
Tour, I think I explained how we
did that.

2609
02:27:51,960 --> 02:27:55,040
He was on the QM500 AVO Light,
Yeah.

2610
02:27:55,240 --> 02:28:01,920
And then what we had was a DMX
merger that was able to give him

2611
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:04,040
shutter control on my studio
colors.

2612
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:08,600
What year was that 96?
Because that might have been the

2613
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:10,600
one that I'm talking about.
That might have been the same

2614
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:11,600
tour.
Yeah, prep.

2615
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:15,160
Prep was in England though,
because we we started in in

2616
02:28:15,320 --> 02:28:17,480
Birmingham so.
Well, maybe this wasn't prep.

2617
02:28:17,480 --> 02:28:21,120
Maybe he was just in Chicago to
be looking at the console or

2618
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:23,920
something and and figuring it
all out.

2619
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:26,640
But I remember they had to put
the AVO console there.

2620
02:28:27,360 --> 02:28:30,040
I don't remember why, but.
That must have been a little

2621
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:35,800
could have been after or early,
early prep because I remember

2622
02:28:35,800 --> 02:28:38,800
what what we did for that tour
was crazy because OB lighting

2623
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:42,720
sent the entire lighting package
to England.

2624
02:28:43,880 --> 02:28:47,760
And then we had Step Down
Transformers to power it up

2625
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:52,960
because the European Tour, the
way it was scheduled was, if I

2626
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:56,920
remember correctly, it was
almost 3 1/2 months in 96.

2627
02:28:57,320 --> 02:29:03,240
And then they were going to ship
everything on on the boat back

2628
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:07,080
to New York, into the trucks in
time to cross the country and do

2629
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:09,400
the first show in San Jose.
Oh God, and.

2630
02:29:10,120 --> 02:29:13,120
So there was no time for an
American lighting company to

2631
02:29:13,480 --> 02:29:17,240
create a a new package.
So that's why the Obi light

2632
02:29:17,240 --> 02:29:21,160
system went to Europe, did the
whole 2 step down Transformers,

2633
02:29:21,720 --> 02:29:25,280
came back to the US, we took it
out of the truck day one in San

2634
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:27,800
Jose and off we went.
Crazy.

2635
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:30,520
That's just madness.
Madness.

2636
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:34,560
Yeah, well, that's fun though,
because this timing was great

2637
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:37,400
for opening the shutters on the
studio colors.

2638
02:29:37,560 --> 02:29:39,280
So good.
So good.

2639
02:29:39,320 --> 02:29:41,800
Yeah, I loved how this little
box played the console.

2640
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:43,280
This.
Little box with the two buttons

2641
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:46,200
for the strobes.
Yeah, that's the other thing.

2642
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:48,160
Yeah.
Like he triggered strobes.

2643
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:52,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had one.
And The thing is, you're

2644
02:29:52,840 --> 02:29:55,440
following Lars, so it ain't that
easy.

2645
02:29:55,440 --> 02:29:58,640
Because, you know, he's not your
regular drummer, you know?

2646
02:29:59,080 --> 02:30:03,120
His timing's special, you know.
I got a chance to see Metallica

2647
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:06,160
both nights at Sofi.
Was it last year?

2648
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:09,480
Yeah.
Chucky and I went and I hadn't

2649
02:30:09,480 --> 02:30:10,960
seen them in 20.
Years.

2650
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:14,600
Oh wow, 60 I had one.
I think I'm about the same.

2651
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:17,680
I'm about the same.
Like I I saw it last year in

2652
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:19,960
Edmonton.
They kicked the shit out of us.

2653
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:22,480
I mean, they're, they're still
unbelievable.

2654
02:30:22,480 --> 02:30:24,400
Yeah, really good.
I was.

2655
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:31,640
I've not really been a fan of
Metallica my whole life, and I

2656
02:30:31,640 --> 02:30:33,600
loved it.
Like I had a great time.

2657
02:30:33,720 --> 02:30:36,760
They were so powerful and
Pantera opened for them.

2658
02:30:36,760 --> 02:30:38,800
Talking about powerful, holy
shit.

2659
02:30:38,840 --> 02:30:45,320
You know it's just like you get
that and I'm standing right in

2660
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:48,600
front of the Subs going what's
happening yeah.

2661
02:30:48,600 --> 02:30:54,880
I feel sick yeah.
I Benoit, I gotta go and it's

2662
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:58,040
really been fun catching up.
We need to catch up more often

2663
02:30:58,040 --> 02:31:01,520
off the air, not just on
podcast, but we should stay in

2664
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,920
contact because I like talking
with you.

2665
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:06,120
So I.
Appreciate it.

2666
02:31:06,120 --> 02:31:09,160
Same here, Marcel.
It's been, it's been a crazy

2667
02:31:09,160 --> 02:31:11,680
time now in the last five years.
With no kidding.

2668
02:31:12,480 --> 02:31:14,960
I can't even explain it.
Like, imagine explaining the

2669
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:16,640
last five years to your kids
someday.

2670
02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:18,760
You know, it's going to be hard.
Yeah.

2671
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:21,000
All right, my friend.
Have a good one make.

2672
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:22,840
The best Absolutely and same to
you have.

2673
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:24,360
A great day, all right.
You too.