#308 - Sooner Routhier - Innovative Approaches to Show Design

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I started just getting calls
from management teams, I think

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in like 21 asking if I would
collaborate with another

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designer on a project.
And it happened like I think

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like 3 or 4 times.
And it was kind of the first

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time that it ever happened with
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Like I never really had anybody
say, hey, we really want you to

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design this show, but we also
want this designer.

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Would you guys join forces?
And I mean, I just, I loved that

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process.
It was really great.

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There's going to be a better way
to create.

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Like I should just figure out a
way to do this and create with a

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team?
Sorry, you just caught me

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sipping some of my coffee.
Cult geezers grind coffee and

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how are you today?
Thanks for joining me.

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Nothing of course, going on in
our industry at all right now

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other than these tariffs.
Whoa.

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So I've been talking with a lot
of my friends who were at the

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show in Germany this week.
The trade show in Germany PLS.

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Pro lighting and sound, I guess
it's called.

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And of course, tariffs were a
big topic at the show where I

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would say a large percentage of
the gear that comes into our

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industry comes from China.
And you know, many of these

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manufacturers are in a bit of a
panic right now.

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It's obviously a little bit more
than a wee bit uncomfortable at

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the moment when Trump just keeps
saying 104 percent, 125%.

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And, you know, whether you like
the reason it's being done, you

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like the guy doesn't really
matter at this point.

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It's a challenge that I think
our industry will find ways to

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overcome.
And so I know my company has

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certainly had challenges with it
because we do business in 100

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different countries.
And so all of these tariffs have

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caused just mass disarray and
fortunately we have systems in

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place to to handle it.
So we've done a pretty good job

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so far and I'm hopeful and I'm
even confident that this is

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probably going to create some
policy globally, some great

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international policy that
probably is going to drop

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tariffs and end up in lower
costs for everyone instead of

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higher costs.
We can hope at least.

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And so today's guest Sooner, Ray
Ruthier is an award-winning show

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designer and creative producer
behind some of the most iconic

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live performances of the past
two decades.

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She doesn't seem that old.
Her work with artists including

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Coldplay, Green Day, The
Weekend, Paramore Muse, Rihanna

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and so many more has been seen
on global tours and major

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broadcast including The AM as
The Voice and The Tonight Show.

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A two time Parnelli winner and
Co founder of S Ray Productions

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and recently The Playground,
Sooner is known for blending

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powerful storytelling and
cutting edge production.

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She also Co founded Even a
nonprofit promoting access and

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equity in the live events
industry.

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From arena shows to immersive
experiences, Sooner continues to

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lead the way in redefining what
live entertainment can look and

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feel like.
And I can't wait to see her and

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talk to her today.
So please welcome Sooner Ruth

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here.
I've got notes.

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Hello Sooner.
Hi.

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How are you I'm.
I'm so good.

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How are you?
I'm.

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Also so good well, I'm probably
not as good.

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You know I'm not I'm not a multi
time award-winning creative

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designer.
You know, with with everything

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in the world going for me, the
largest tour other than maybe 1

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and you know you've got it made
right now you're kicking O Tay

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it's.
The weird name.

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I don't think it's lucky.
The weird name doesn't hurt.

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It's.
The weird name.

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Although you know.
It's mom and dad.

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There's there's like a lot of
other successful people out

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there like, you know, Roy
Bennett, you know, that's not

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that weird.
Like he seems to be doing OK,

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but he's.
Doing great.

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So I'm I'm guessing the weird
name doesn't hurt and and no,

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I'm I'm just making fun right
now, but we celebrate the.

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We've had.
We've had an incredible run and

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I'm super proud of you and it's
fun to watch and fun to talk to

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you every once in a while and
say, where are you?

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Well, I'm doing some massive
award show in, you know, Vienna

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and.
Yeah, I will be there on Friday.

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Yeah, we've just discovered
that.

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Yeah, we've just discovered that
our our lovely producer Sarah is

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gonna be on a tour that you're
gonna be at the front end of.

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She's gonna be out I think for
four weeks or something, which

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means I have to do all her work
plus mine.

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There you go.
We're just going to go meet up

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in Vienna this weekend.
It's cool.

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Sounds amazing.
Mostly low key.

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Sounds amazing.
Super casual.

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Yeah, sounds amazing.
I you know, I think Vienna is

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one of the few European cities I
have not been to so.

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I've been there, but I think I
only had like half a day off

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there or something.
Like just enough time to like go

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for a run along the Danube and
then go back to the hotel and

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drink a crap load of wine and do
my show the next day.

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I think that's all I did.
So good for you.

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Sounds fun.
So are you going to get to spend

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any time there this time?
Yeah, I'm actually going over

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early a day early the the
lighting director Slash, my Co

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designer on the project, and I
are going to go watch Phantom of

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the Opera at an Opera House in
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Very cool.
Which sounds, I know, so fun.

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I'm excited about it.
It's all in German, so with

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subtitles, Yeah.
And then we're going to go get

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dinner and.
Yeah, just going over.

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I haven't, I haven't really
explored that city much, so I

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figured I'd go over a little bit
early just to check it out.

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And.
Then so just really one day

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though, right?
It's just one day.

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Yeah, but I'll be there for I
mean, we're we have a couple

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days worth of rehearsals.
So I think I can't remember what

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day I'm there till, but it's I
think I fly back to the states

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like a in a week or something.
Oh, OK, a little bit over that.

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Fly back home on the 20th.
So you got a bit of time.

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That'll be fun.
And that's.

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Yeah.
It'll be good.

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That's luminaires.
The Lumineers, Yep, they're,

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they're getting ready to kick
off a massive cycle, as they do.

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Yeah, in support of a new album.
And yeah, they're fun.

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We're gonna have a good time.
I'm excited.

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And it's always like, it's
always a pretty chill rehearsal

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period, too.
Like we all just kind of, you

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know, ease into it, get the show
up and going and have a

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beautiful first show.
And then, yeah.

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So hoping that that will happen
again this time.

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Super cool.
Great.

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Yeah, super cool.
Hopefully I'll have a couple

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more dinners out in Vienna.
We'll see.

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What else have you got going on
this year?

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From a touring standpoint?
I'm sure Coldplay just is the

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machine.
Yeah, Coldplay just going.

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Yeah, we actually in our Slack,
our channel is called Coldplay

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Forever.
Yeah, but.

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Why would you start, I mean,
when you've got that machine?

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I mean, why are you doing so
well, you know?

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Yeah, and they hit North America
this year, which will be really

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fun 'cause I'll get to go to a
lot more of the shows and I'm

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going to be at Wembley in August
with them.

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Yeah, I mean, we, so we're,
we're really lucky.

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Like our, our little creative
Co-op is, is doing great.

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I don't know.
I think we've got about 12

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projects going at the moment
getting ready to, yeah.

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Didn't it just start like you
just announced it?

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No, that yeah, kind of that was
like a social media.

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They're just like revamp of some
social media stuff.

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OK, but it's kind of it's been
going since January of 22, but

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we kind of like didn't really
announce we were doing much for

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about a year and you know, just
cuz it's kind of a funky

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concept.
So I just wanted to make sure

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that it was gonna be successful,
and I wanted to make sure that

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it was launched properly and
nice and slow.

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And yeah, so we've got like,
we're doing Noah Khan, his

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festival stuff this summer.
We've got Chris Stapleton, which

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I'm so excited about.
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I get to like, listen to Chris
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And yeah, he's amazing A.
Lot.

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I'm so I'm so excited.
His voice is, is just like it's,

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you know, you could be in the
grumpiest mood and it'll just

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make you go.
Yep, chill.

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Yeah, it's like.
Yeah, it's like.

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You can't be unhappy.
Beautiful.

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Yeah, I'm really excited about
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We're working with a Latin
artist named Manuel Torrizo.

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I'm learning Spanish for it.
Unbelievable.

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Yeah, I feel like I'm betraying
my French Canadian family by not

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sticking to French.
But so when he yells at you,

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you'll know what he's mad at,
right?

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He's so nice.
I don't know if he's yell.

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He's the sweetest.
Yeah, yeah.

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Wow.
Yeah, we worked with him in the

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in the fall, we did an award
show performance for him and he

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is just the loveliest.
I don't know.

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I've got stuff.
Alice Cooper's going back out in

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the.
Fall I'm.

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So I want to learn about this
'cause, you know, I've watched a

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lot of people create collectives
or whatever we want to call them

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and you can kind of explain how
yours works.

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I know how most of them work
where everybody kind of brings

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their work in.
It's almost like a law firm

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where everybody brings their
work in, throws it in the middle

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of the table.
If you brought it in, you

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probably get a bigger cut.
And then there's a percentage

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paid into the collective and
that covers like some back

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office expenses and stuff like
that.

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And so it's really just a really
cool way to share talents when

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additional talents are needed or
whatever, and to also cover, you

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know, expenses that everyone
pays, things that are standard

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things that everyone needs to
pay, whether it's HR or

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marketing or whatever it is.
Right.

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So that's, yeah, pretty much,
pretty much explains.

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It nailed it.
It's super transparent, like

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everything is very open.
And I mean, I, I started because

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I realized that there was just
some expenses that I didn't, I

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didn't know how to afford as an
independent designer, right?

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And I heard the same challenges
from some other designers.

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And honestly, like for me, it
just kind of happened

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organically.
Like I, I started just getting

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calls from management teams, I
think in like 21 I asking if I

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would collaborate with another
designer on a project.

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And it happened like I think
like 3 or 4 times.

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And it was kind of the first
time that it ever happened with

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me.
Like I never really had anybody

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say, hey, we really want you to
design this show, but we also

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want this designer.
Would you guys join forces?

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And I mean, I just, I loved that
process.

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It was really great.
And so I was like, there's going

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to be a better way to create.
Like I should just figure out a

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way to do this and create with a
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And it's it took like, I'd say
it took like a year to get

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everything sort of figured out
and like the best process.

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And yeah, we're at the we're
growing and that's where we're

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about to hire another full time
producers, what we call our like

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liaison, like somebody who
basically is assisting on all of

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the project back end work and
dealing with contracts and

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insurance and negotiations.
And that's cool, yeah.

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Conference calls and blah, blah,
blah.

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Like, you know, scheduling
timelines.

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So we're, we're about to hire
another one.

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So we'll have two full time.
And so do those people come from

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inside or outside the industry?
Inside yeah and then yeah and

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we're we're also looking to hire
an assistant and yeah there's

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there's some good things
happening it's working it's

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working and like, you know it's
probably not a crazy different

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concept because like you said
there's other co-ops that are

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other collaborate collectives
out there whatever any C word

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you put in there but yeah, I, I
don't know it's it's fun it's

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it's been really good and
successful and people are really

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loving it and.
It's one of those things that,

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you know, when it works, it
works generally tremendously

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well.
So I have a friend.

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You're probably not old enough
to remember Freddie Laker, Sir

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Freddie Laker from from England,
who who owned an airline and he

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was the original discount
airline going from New York to

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to London and it was $99 each
way when it was unheard of.

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This was like in I think it was
even the 80s, not even the 90s.

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And Sir Freddie Laker was a very
glamorous, very, you know, just

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a really well known, he was like
Richard Branson.

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And it actually is one of
Richard Branson's mentors that

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he always talks about, right?
And so anyways, his son Freddie

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Laker Junior is a good friend of
mine.

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And Freddie Junior started a
collective about, I don't know,

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6-7 years ago now.
And what it was is he had

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digital agencies before and he
just saw an end to these digital

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agencies and he saw additional
needs.

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And he was very specifically
involved with like large venture

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capital firms and stuff where he
was being brought in as a turn

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around CEO.
And they'd always say, Hey, do

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you know a CFO?
Do you know a CEO?

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Do you know a operations
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Do you know a whatever?
And so he just started building

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this team around him of these
people.

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And he just came up with this
concept to say, Hey, you know,

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just come in when you need to,
but don't, don't be on my

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payroll when you don't need to.
And it became a collective.

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And now that's probably a $40
million company, I'm guessing.

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Yeah, it's amazing.
He is just crushing it.

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And he's got marketing people,
every C-Suite person, every

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management level person, finance
people, all of it.

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And it's just amazing how good.
It is, yeah.

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I mean, I just think that people
want to work differently these

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days, you know what I mean?
Like it's, I think that the

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mindset has changed
significantly and I'm finding

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like a lot like I'm starting to
work with a lot of, I mean, I

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guess no matter what going to be
working with a lot of younger

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designers cuz I'm.
Yeah, it happens to me pretty

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much.
Everybody, yeah.

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So it's nice to, to work with
like a younger generation of

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designers and like, they just
want a lot of them just want

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like a community to be a part of
as opposed to just being like, I

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did that on my own.
And, and that's a very big

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mindset shift to what I, you
know, grew up in the business

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experiencing.
So, and honestly, like for me,

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it's just, I mean, selfishly,
it's just better.

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I just love it.
It's just I I'm a very.

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Social Person.
Yeah, I'm a social person.

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I like to be on like I'm in this
office in my office at home and,

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and it's quite lonely unless the
dog comes down and hangs out

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with me.
So like we have our little

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virtual online office that we
have on all day and where people

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kind of pop in and out and it's
it's nice like.

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What do you use for that?
Right now we're using a program

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called Tandem.
We were using a program called

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Around which was amazing, but
they sunsetted the app March

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1st.
I have the greatest thing in the

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world that you have to have.
And if you want, tomorrow when

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we have our other talk, I'll
show it to you.

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It's called Rome and.
Oh, that's what I'm actually

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it's on my list of things to do
is to test Rome if.

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I didn't go to Mexico last week.
It's it's, I'm telling you right

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now sooner.
Don't even test it.

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It's yours.
Trust me.

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It yeah, it's it's life changing
like I have.

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I have nine people who are two
in Greece, Yeah, one in I2 in

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Brazil, one in two in Canada, a
couple in the US Yeah, I mean,

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just scattered around the world.
And like my operations manager

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has been with me 7 years.
I've never met him.

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I've never met him.
I mean, and I feel like I know

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him like my brother practically,
you know, but I've never met

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him.
I almost is amazing.

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OK, great.
I'm going to try that because

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that it's like I said, it's
literally it's on my list of

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things to do.
I tried another one called

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Butter.
Yeah.

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It crashed my computer multiple
times.

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Yeah, it was all good by her
face, right?

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Yeah, but yeah, so I.
Can give you an introduction to

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Rome too because like I was I
was supposed to there was a big

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party at the founder's house
last week I don't know why my

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screen just froze.
There was a a big party at the

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founder's house last week.
He's got this mansion on on the

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beach and in Miami and but I was
in in Mexico, so I couldn't go.

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But he's he's just a super guy.
His team are unbelievable and

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the features that it has are
just ridiculous.

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And.
It's solid too, like I was, I've

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been with it.
That's all good.

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He's excited about Rome too.
I was, I was with them like 2

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years ago when it was, it was in
beta and and then beginning of

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last year I think it went to the
full version and it's the one

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piece of software.
I always say that you'd have to

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drag it from my bleeding hands
and fight me for it 'cause I I

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wouldn't give it up ever so.
That's the way we felt about

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around and we're so sad that it
went away.

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Yeah, it 'cause it could just
disappear, like really small

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little bubbles, but people are
still there.

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Or you could like it and it, I
don't know.

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It's just really nice.
The screen sharing and the the

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notations on the screen were
really important to us 'cause

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we'll look, pull up a plot and
you're drawing on it.

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But the Rome features I think
are better with screen sharing

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because you can like draw lines
and yeah.

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Yeah, well, and they love the
creative industry, too,

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actually.
The founder grew up in theater

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and he was, I think, a singer or
an actor or something.

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And so, yeah, they're very
theatrical.

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Whenever they do a demo or a
presentation, it's very

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theatrical.
And he's it's it's amazing.

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Anyways, enough said.
I'll show it to you tomorrow.

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And if you want to go see the
demo just it's RO dot AM.

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I watched.
Yeah, it's actually.

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I have the app on my computer.
I've been yeah, it just

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happened.
Super cool.

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The next one I have to test, but
I'm glad you're getting a good

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winning endorsement.
So I think that's probably going

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to be the one we go to, yeah.
It's, I can't believe it hasn't

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taken over yet.
Like just everyone uses it

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because even companies that have
people in office and then sort

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of a combined distributed staff,
to me that's like it's just the

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winning piece of software
period.

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So anyways.
That's amazing.

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There's my roam pitch for the
day.

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I just, I do love it that much.
Like I really do.

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I I.
Love it.

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You know, I get it.
That's the way we were about

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around and honestly some of our
productivity and some of our

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like company culture has
actually declined since the app

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went away out of our.
So we're like desperate to find

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something that works really
well.

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So hopefully this will be it.
Yeah, I could totally see that.

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Like, if you took it away from
us, my team had, you know, I

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don't know if they discipline,
disappear and go play golf or if

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they'd be like, sad or I don't
know what would happen, but it

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wouldn't be the same.
Today's episode is brought to

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paragon.
Yeah, not fun.

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So anyways, you so your
collective, is it gonna be all

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set up with like just similar
designers or are you gonna have

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like different disciplines in
there so that if someone came to

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you and said, can you put a
whole show together, we, you

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know, we need all of these
things.

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Yeah, yeah.
In fact, like manual tutors are

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the the Latin artists that we're
working for, we're doing choreo

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and styling as well.
OK, that's cool.

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So we do like, you know, the
full thing.

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That's cool.
Yeah.

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And we've got, you know, we've
got some musical directors

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underneath our collective too,
if that's needed.

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For us.
It's really important that

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everybody remains autonomous.
So, you know, people do shows on

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their own and and whatever.
Like, I just think that's really

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important because it's not a
cult, right?

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We're not like the cult, the
playground.

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It's just everybody needs to
kind of do their own thing at

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the same time.
Yeah.

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So yeah, I mean, this will be, I
think, the third project we do

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where we bring in choreo and
wardrobe.

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So it's nice 'cause you can like
kind of take like the whole

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thing just gets, it's just that
much more cohesive, you know?

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But how how you know without
getting into secrets or

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anything, how do you do?
Like if you said people can do

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their own projects and stuff,
which is cool, but at the same

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time, how does that work as far
as like, you know, you need a

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certain amount of profitability
or, or income or whatever you

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call it to, to be a collective
that that functions properly.

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So how would that work?
Like if I said, OK, these

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artists I'm going to put into
the collective and these ones

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over here I'm keeping for
myself.

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That's cool.
We keep it pretty lean and mean,

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honestly.
Yeah, we don't have much

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overhead.
It's.

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Pretty, Yeah, it's cool.
Doesn't require that much, yeah.

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And if we ever need like
additional support, we hire

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freelance so we get like a
freelance pot of money.

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Interesting.
Yeah.

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So it's, yeah, it's leaning
mean.

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I mean, we're honestly, we're,
we're good.

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We're already, we're already on
track.

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By.
First quarter so we're.

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Good for you, good for.
You thanks it's.

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Fun.
Well, I'm sure everybody's like

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bringing in these shows.
And then you go, here's Coldplay

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and the ticker just goes like
this, right?

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Oh, we got money.
We can pay our bills.

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Money it's funny because
sometimes it actually works

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against me because I get like,
you know, like I like doing

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smaller theater and like club
shows actually called that size

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show because it's a controlled
environment.

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I mean, a lot of obviously you
have to flex the size of the

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stage and everything, but, and
the challenge is like people

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won't call or like I'll, I'll
talk to like a management

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friend, like, and they'll say,
Oh yeah, a month ago I had this

450
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,960
artist that I wanted to bring to
you guys, but we don't have

451
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,640
Coldplay money.
And I'm like, OK, yeah, we're,

452
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320
that's OK.
Like we're, it's not, we don't,

453
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,680
we don't charge that same amount
on every single show.

454
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Like you can't.
It's about time.

455
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,400
Like Coldplay's out for a long,
long time.

456
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600
They're, they rehearse for a
very long time.

457
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,680
They, they're building their
show for a very, very long time.

458
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,240
Like it's, it's time and size
and scope and the amount of work

459
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,880
we put into it.
But if, like, you're a smaller

460
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,960
show, a theater show, you're
maybe going to be in rehearsals

461
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,240
for like a week, tops, and like,
your production side is going to

462
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,720
be a lot less like.
So that means the budget's going

463
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,200
to be less for us because we're
not going to be, you know,

464
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800
having to hire programmers for
six weeks.

465
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,400
Also, you know, Mr. so and so
I've done more shows of your

466
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,760
size than I have of Coldplay
size.

467
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,560
So you know, there's only one
Coldplay out there and then The

468
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Rolling Stones and Taylor Swift
and that's about it, right?

469
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Like everything else is kind of
dwarfed in in in comparison, so.

470
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,080
They're so fun though.
Yeah, I, I, I like that whole

471
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,400
concept though.
The the collective concept.

472
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,040
I think again, from a lifestyle
standpoint, the ability to size

473
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,880
up or down as needed for
different jobs.

474
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Like if you need a Co designer
or a choreographer or any of

475
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,920
those other disciplines on on a
gig, you don't have to have them

476
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,000
on your staff and, and paying
those monthly expenses and

477
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,600
stuff.
So yeah.

478
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,920
It's been very, very helpful and
also just a lot of it is also

479
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,040
like troubleshooting and
creative concepts are are that

480
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,520
to me is my favorite thing
'cause like everybody can look

481
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,920
at problems or challenges like
different ways.

482
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,720
So you always end up coming up
with like the best solutions

483
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,360
because you're all like a
challenge comes up and you're

484
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:39,960
like, uh oh, we need to fix
this.

485
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,480
And you don't have just one
person trying to figure it out.

486
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,360
You have a collective of people
trying to figure it out.

487
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,200
And the same thing with design,
like we were, I'm currently

488
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,480
designing a show that has to fit
in in like suitcase style

489
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320
luggage, but it's for like large
theaters and arenas.

490
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720
So and they're not carrying
trucks.

491
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,800
So how are we going to design?
So we and we've, you know, we've

492
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
all kind of come up with a cool
solution and it's going to fit

493
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,440
in Pelicans and go to town.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

494
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,120
That's interesting.
So, But what about so like,

495
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:15,480
let's say I'm putting The
Beatles back together and I see

496
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,040
your ad in live design magazine
or something and I say, oh,

497
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040
well, this looks like a design
firm that I'd like to hire.

498
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,120
So that flies in over the top
and lands in your social media

499
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,200
inbox.
Is it first come, first serve?

500
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720
Like whoever answers social
media that day becomes the

501
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,200
designer or how how like would
you all just sit in a meeting

502
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,000
and say this is probably the
best for so and so or whatever.

503
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Yeah, I mean, it depends
honestly.

504
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Like a lot of times it'll it'll
come with a, hey, we really

505
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,480
loved this show that you guys
did.

506
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,680
And it's like, oh, no brainer.
That's this these two designers,

507
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,040
you know, like call and see
availabilities and figure it

508
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,040
out.
Like most of the time, you know,

509
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,000
where they've gotten the
inspiration from the call,

510
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,040
right.
And so we just do a really good

511
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,680
job of making sure that.
Oh, OK, well, that was so and so

512
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,760
and so, and so.
So let's like make sure that

513
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,120
they are available for this.
Yeah.

514
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,800
And if they're not available to
be on site or whatever, that's

515
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,280
when the collective kicks in and
we can sort of like add people

516
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,080
into the mix.
So like, yeah.

517
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,560
Yeah.
Well, and and you know, you can

518
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,120
obviously tell the client, you
know, Sooner is not available

519
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:33,680
because she's whatever, but this
designer has worked with Sooner

520
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,280
for the last three years.
You know, they work together

521
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,160
very closely.
They'll collaborate on your

522
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,440
project even long distance.
We think this would be a great

523
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000
fit for you and chances are
they're going to be OK with

524
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160
that, obviously.
Yeah, I mean.

525
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,080
That's cool.
I hope so.

526
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Well.
Congratulations and good luck on

527
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,760
that.
I I love the artwork and the you

528
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,120
know, the presentation that you
guys have kicked out.

529
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,200
It looks really, really good and
and I wish you the best.

530
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,000
Thanks.
You can update that.

531
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,240
Website boy woof.
You have a few other things

532
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,520
going on though too.
You have the even network.

533
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Yeah, yeah.
And so that I think you started

534
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,040
a couple years ago as well,
right?

535
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520
Yeah, that was in 2020, May of
2020.

536
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,680
A COVID A COVID baby?
COVID baby yeah, going

537
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,520
nonprofit.
It's actually the first cohort

538
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,480
is actually at vendors in
warehouses right now working.

539
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,000
So it's a, it's a registered
apprenticeship program for our

540
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,400
business.
Very cool.

541
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,240
So I don't know, we were just
kind of thinking like if you can

542
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,400
be like an electrician for a
house, wiring a house, but you

543
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,120
have to be like an apprentice
electrician before you actually

544
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,560
get your license to be an
electrician.

545
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Why can't we do that with our
business?

546
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,360
Like, yeah, apprentice lighting
tech or video tech or pyrotech.

547
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,760
I always, and I say this, it's
probably unpopular for me to say

548
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,720
this, but I mean, if you think
about pyro, it's essentially

549
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,440
like the same stuff you have to
do for plumbing, except toilets

550
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,160
obviously, but you've got gases
and piping and fixings and stuff

551
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,320
that you have to deal with all
the time.

552
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,800
So like it's.
The same, I guess.

553
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,480
So when toilets blow up, it's a
completely different problem,

554
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,200
you know?
I mean honestly, like if I were

555
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,480
working for a pyro company I
would probably just bring

556
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,200
toilets out into the parking lot
and blow them up anyway with.

557
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,200
That's funny, That's funny.
I remember one time when I was

558
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,360
dating my ex-wife and she lived
in Chicago, I went to Chicago to

559
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,840
visit her and it was 4th of
July.

560
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
And obviously in Canada that
wasn't a thing.

561
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,600
And so I didn't know what to
expect.

562
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,320
You know, I I'm like, OK, she
said we're going to a 4th of

563
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,520
July party.
OK cool.

564
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,000
That sounds like fun.
And I've never seen anything

565
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,760
more than a little tiny
firecracker.

566
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,880
Right?
Like in Canada, it's basically

567
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,800
illegal, like everything else
except drugs.

568
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,000
And, and so we go to this party
and they're like handing me

569
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,560
things and saying here what?
And I go, what do I do with

570
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,600
this?
And, and it's like an M80, like

571
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,400
a little piece of dynamite
basically.

572
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
And they said light it and throw
it.

573
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,920
And I go, OK, so I light it and
I'm like, holy shit.

574
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,240
And then I throw it and it goes
into the neighbor's yard and

575
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,360
like, I don't know, 15 minutes
later or something, the neighbor

576
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,000
or the, I think the police came
and said, you guys are using

577
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
some rather large fireworks over
here.

578
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,320
And no, no, nothing really.
You know, nothing too terribly.

579
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,080
And they said, well, your
neighbor called with a complaint

580
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000
that someone blew up their Rose
Garden.

581
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,640
And I was like, yeah, that was
me, Sir.

582
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,560
I'm sorry.
I had no idea.

583
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,760
I'm Canadian.
I'm an idiot.

584
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,480
And they were like, yeah, just
be careful.

585
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,240
So after the police left, what
did they do?

586
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,640
They put, like four of these M
80 things underneath a A tire.

587
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,760
And they said, we're going to
blow up the tire.

588
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,840
So it shoots the tire like, I
don't know, 50 feet in the air

589
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120
straight into the same
neighbor's backyard.

590
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,760
I mean, it was like, what are we
doing here?

591
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,960
You know we're going to go to
jail.

592
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320
But anyways, so yeah, Pyro's
fun.

593
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,760
It is fun and hopefully you know
we can get some younger kids

594
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,400
doing pyro and working with
these vendors.

595
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,920
Well, you know, I quote you all
the time because you were, you

596
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840
were, I don't know if it was
during COVID, maybe around the

597
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800
same time that you were creating
this business, but you said

598
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,800
something to me that people look
at our industry like we're a

599
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,040
bunch of gypsies and, and that
there's no money to be made and

600
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,480
it's not a real job.
And it's, you know, it's this

601
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,520
traveling circus kind of job and
nobody takes it seriously.

602
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960
But you can come into this
industry brand new and make a

603
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,440
really good living and have a
lot of fun and see the world and

604
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,240
and.
See the world?

605
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,840
That's one.
Of the more.

606
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Important things to me I think
is like seeing the world because

607
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680
there's so many people that have
just such a closed mindset on

608
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,760
other cultures and other other
countries and yeah, I think it's

609
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,440
really important to get people's
minds to expand with travel,

610
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600
but.
So how do you find these people?

611
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400
Are you like advertising to get
them into a?

612
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Little bit, yeah.
A lot of it's through high

613
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,840
schools right now.
The program's only in

614
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,920
California.
It needs to be successful for a

615
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,480
year.
So by the August, I guess

616
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,240
through September, I think of
this year, it'll be able to

617
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,480
expand nationally to the federal
on the federal level.

618
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,440
What's what's keeping it back?
Is it funding or something?

619
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Yeah, it's a, it's a
california-based program that

620
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,320
yeah, it's a, it's a government
thing.

621
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,160
This is the stuff that I
wouldn't be able to talk about

622
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,120
properly because that's where
we'll be our somebody else.

623
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,680
The manager kind of takes care
of that.

624
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,760
So, but yeah, it'll expand
through the country, which is

625
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,040
awesome.
So any vendors can start sort of

626
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,560
getting into the program with
us?

627
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,840
That's cool.
Yeah, it's fun.

628
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,200
It's nonprofit.
Work is difficult, though.

629
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,560
I mean, fundraising alone is
impossible, especially today

630
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,600
with the climate.
Yeah, but you know, we're

631
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,040
working through it.
We're starting to get some boots

632
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,800
on the ground and getting a
fundraising committee together

633
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,800
and everything but that.
That's the biggest part, right?

634
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,960
We've been getting some grants,
which is helpful, but like,

635
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,840
it's, it's just, you know, it's
not easy.

636
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,120
Yeah.
Does anybody out there that

637
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,679
wants to sponsor a curriculum?
Yeah, class like.

638
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,199
Let us know.
So you're going to industry

639
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,880
companies to to sponsor these
classes and stuff?

640
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,679
Yeah, we're trying to, that's
the first, that's the biggest

641
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,560
plan is like to try to get
vendors, manufacturers to

642
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,840
sponsor courses.
So like lighting course and

643
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,800
video courses, they all it's an
online learning platform that

644
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,440
they have to do right.
Because in order to be an

645
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,000
apprentice, you have to you have
to continue education by doing

646
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,280
like online classes.
So the that we have to create

647
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,239
this curriculum which is well on
its way, but it costs a pretty

648
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,920
penny.
So that's the that's the most

649
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,360
expensive part at the moment.
So does a so a young person?

650
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,720
I guess they don't have to be
young, but let's assume it's a,

651
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,400
you know, a, a 19 or 20 year old
kid comes in and says, you know,

652
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,280
I want to be a pyro person or I
want to be a video person or

653
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,360
whatever.
I have no experience whatsoever.

654
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840
How does that work?
Like how do they get through

655
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,240
that system?
There's an application process

656
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,240
and an interview process, and
once they go through that and

657
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,160
they're accepting the program,
then they get placed with a

658
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,320
vendor.
OK.

659
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,600
Yeah, a vendor.
Yeah, like or a manufacturer

660
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,040
still, like right now, you know,
we have a bunch of vendor

661
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,760
partners that are placing the
apprentices into their

662
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,160
warehouses to, you know, to
Start learning the ropes and

663
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:44,840
they're doing.
All.

664
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,560
Oh I see, so it's more of an
apprenticeship program than it

665
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,120
is a A school?
It is.

666
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,040
Yes, it is.
It is.

667
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,840
That is what it is.
It's an apprenticeship program.

668
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,840
It's.
OK, I get it now.

669
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,320
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.

670
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,200
So they apply and do an
interview, and then they get

671
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,200
paired with a vendor.
But.

672
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,720
And, yeah, there's six right now
in California that are going

673
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,200
through the program.
Very cool.

674
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,240
Yeah.
It's fun.

675
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,920
It's good.
And they're doing very well.

676
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,480
Yeah.
So they're learning the ropes.

677
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,160
I think we've got lighting and
video and special effects right

678
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,320
now.
I think audio.

679
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,360
Yeah, I have to look at that.
So do they get paid in these

680
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,720
jobs or they're or they're
interns or how does it work?

681
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,560
They get paid, get paid.
That's amazing.

682
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Registered apprenticeship
program.

683
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,200
I don't know.
Registered as in like government

684
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,480
registered, right?
Yeah.

685
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Yeah, I don't know why it would,
why it would be hard.

686
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,800
Like you'd think there'd be a
line down the block of people

687
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080
wanting to get into.
That to well, it's there's a lot

688
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,440
of people that want to actually
do the program.

689
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,160
The problem is getting, you
know, we, we don't have enough

690
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,680
resources to have a ton of kids
in it right now.

691
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,240
Right now.
Yeah.

692
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,200
Their apprentices like I don't
want to say kids because I would

693
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,520
love to expand it to veterans
at.

694
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Some point, I think that's very.
That would be amazing, yeah.

695
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560
But I mean, for us, the
challenge is just like getting

696
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,960
things paid for so that we can
boost our resources to be able

697
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,040
to accept more, you know?
Well, do you even have a full

698
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,240
time employee?
Yeah.

699
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,760
Oh, you do.
You have one.

700
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,840
And they, yeah, they basically
run all the insurance and outs

701
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,720
of the day-to-day part of the
business.

702
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,040
Yeah, it's hard, man.
What you're doing.

703
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,600
This whole nonprofit thing is
really, really hard.

704
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,840
I've been involved in far too
many of them.

705
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,400
I do more nonprofit business
than I do profit business, and I

706
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,080
really need to change that about
myself, especially as I get

707
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,680
older.
You know, it's like I'm busy 20

708
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,280
hours a day and I go, did I make
any money at all today or did I

709
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,840
just help lots of people and
which is?

710
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,600
Good, right?
Oh, it's amazing.

711
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,080
I love it.
I I love.

712
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480
The problem is I say yes to
everything.

713
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,760
And yeah, I mean, maybe it's the
Canadian in US, I don't know,

714
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,120
but I, I literally say yes to
everything.

715
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,040
And even when I'm not saying
yes, I'm volunteering and

716
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,800
saying, hey, you know what, like
you should be looking at this

717
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,320
and I'll tell you what, let me
give you a hand with that and

718
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,760
I'll show you how to work it or
whatever.

719
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,960
Like it's just how how I'm a pay
forward kind of guy.

720
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,080
Same.
But what I've learned, sadly,

721
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,720
the older I get, the more I
learn, is that it doesn't always

722
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,560
come back to you.
You know, quite often those same

723
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,240
person that those same people
that you paid it forward to, you

724
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,520
know will will step over you as
you're laying dying on the

725
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,680
sidewalk.
You know, those step right over

726
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,680
you and keep on walking.
And it's sad but somewhat true.

727
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,960
But it doesn't change who I am.
I'm always going to do it.

728
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,280
I'm always going to be that
person.

729
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Because yeah, it's just me,
right?

730
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Yeah, you're just putting in the
universe anyway, right?

731
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,760
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe someday, you know, it'll

732
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,080
it'll, it'll be like, you know,
there's there's a gate going

733
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,760
this way and a gate going this
way and I'll kind of get nudged

734
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,840
to the right direction somehow.
I don't know how because I've

735
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,160
done a lot of bad shit as long.
As those people that are, you

736
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,200
know, stepping over you don't
push you down, Yeah, So they can

737
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,640
get in that game for you.
Throw you into the burning pits?

738
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,080
Yeah, that's bound to happen.
I've got some enemies out there

739
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,720
for sure.
So, you know, because you don't

740
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,000
have enough going on.
I've just discovered this

741
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,240
morning that you, well, I think
it's more Chris, your husband,

742
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,880
but you have another business
being started called Set Change.

743
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,240
Yeah.
And first of all, I love the

744
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,800
name.
I think it's a killer name.

745
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,880
And secondly, I wanted to tell
you that I had this crazy idea,

746
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,840
and this was probably 15 years
ago, maybe 20 years ago.

747
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,400
I had gone through the up
staging.

748
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,160
Actually, it was probably at
least 20 years ago because it

749
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
was when they moved from
Mundelein or, yeah, from

750
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,960
Mundelein out to where they are
now.

751
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,240
Yeah, it was probably only a
year after they moved and I was

752
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,040
getting the tour from
Huddleston.

753
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,640
And.
This morning by the.

754
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Way, how did you Yeah.
And so HUD, we're walking by

755
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,360
this area where it's just a
bunch of junk and I'm like what

756
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,760
is this and he goes don't even
ask and I said what?

757
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,400
And he said we just keep getting
stuck storing sets here for

758
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,160
people.
And because they're huge tours

759
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,800
like the Stones and stuff like
that, that we're heavily

760
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,920
involved in when they call
asking, you always kind of go,

761
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,560
Oh yeah, we'll figure something
out.

762
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,920
And they're like just for a few
months and then we'll, we'll

763
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,920
either sell it or we'll decide
to use it again.

764
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,440
And then it ends up there for
like 3 years, right?

765
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,120
Oh, gosh.
And one of the ideas that that

766
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,600
they had when I was actually
walking through, I think it was

767
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,000
the steel wheels tour or
something like that.

768
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,520
It was one of the big stones
tours.

769
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,280
And they had all these stage
decks that had just been dumped

770
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,600
there.
And so they came up with this

771
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,120
idea where they put legs on
these stage decks and turned

772
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,680
them into conference tables and
they wanted to, they wanted to

773
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,440
have the band autograph each one
of them and then just lacquer

774
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,160
over the autographs or
something, right?

775
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,760
It was a cool idea.
And they, they priced them at 5

776
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,160
grand and they had all kinds of
interest for them, but they had

777
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,960
to get a sign off and they
couldn't get the sign off.

778
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,360
They were like, just throw them
away.

779
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,160
We don't want to do that, you
know, and, and, but I thought it

780
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,440
was a brilliant idea.
But anyways, the idea I had here

781
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,800
in Florida and probably in
Tennessee as well, There's,

782
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,160
there's, well, not so much in
Tennessee maybe now, but there's

783
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,360
lots of land and where you can
kind of go in the backwoods

784
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,080
somewhere and build a large
facility.

785
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,640
And I kept thinking of having
like this, this big, you know,

786
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,040
almost like a Quonset kind of
facility with all these sets

787
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200
stored in there.
And it's a museum that people

788
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,280
can pay to go to this
Rock'n'roll set museum.

789
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,920
And every one of them is for
sale though, And so I'm going.

790
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,400
To talk to you tomorrow about
more of this.

791
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,240
Yeah.
Oh, geez, you've got some ideas.

792
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,560
Have you been listening to my
crazy brain while I'm laying

793
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,560
awake at night and making up
these crazy ideas?

794
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Because I love that idea.
It's just my problem is I have

795
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,280
more ideas than I do of me and
and of money.

796
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,280
Time management, right?
Yeah.

797
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,960
It's and you know, you don't
want to go out and find

798
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,040
investors to pay for all that
stuff and then as you.

799
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,880
As you need to have investors.
Yeah, so I, you know, that was

800
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,520
just one of those ones that it
was like, what a great idea.

801
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,520
And then it just got thrown on
the heap and I never did

802
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,320
anything with it.
But I hope you're doing

803
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,840
something like that.
That would be cool.

804
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,480
But that.
One, we shall see.

805
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,440
Yeah, Such change has three
phases and the first phase

806
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,840
hasn't launched yet, but I'm
hoping to get your help with it.

807
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,880
Yeah.
And it's just a marketplace

808
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,120
honestly, like we're trying to
like keep it as like so it can

809
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,720
kind of run itself as much as
possible, right for now.

810
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,000
It's just it's, you know, the
model is honestly kind of like a

811
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Facebook marketplace, like we're
selling it, you know, or

812
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,000
somebody selling it.
And it's a point people

813
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,520
connector thing and.
Yeah, I will tell you that

814
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,320
marketplaces are somewhere
between the most incredible and

815
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,400
the most fucked up business in
the whole world.

816
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Like it's and every day it's
both of those two, it seems like

817
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,760
something will happen and you'll
be like, I love this business

818
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,840
and something happens and you
go, God, what a horrible

819
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,160
business.
And you know.

820
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Sounds familiar?
Yeah.

821
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,320
Yeah, that's true too.
But the very first problem with

822
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,440
the marketplace is, is this
thing and you should get the

823
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,400
book, it's called Cold Start
Problem.

824
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,000
Andrew Chen, I think his name is
OK.

825
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,920
And basically the cold start
problem is that you've, they

826
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,160
call it the chicken and egg
problem too, because you either

827
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,400
have supply and no demand or you
have demand and no supply.

828
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,520
It's really hard to build both
at the same time.

829
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Yeah.
And so most marketplaces start

830
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,000
on one side or the other.
They either go all in on supply

831
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,760
or go all in on demand.
And once you have one of those

832
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,480
two sides, generally the other
side, you can then focus on them

833
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,040
and they'll come.
Right, Right.

834
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,240
And but I'll tell you the magic
happens when you have both of

835
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,640
those things.
And then there's this other

836
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,240
keyword that they use in in the
marketplace world called network

837
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,520
effects.
And when network effects happens

838
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,760
for everyone set you add, you
add 10 customers and then they

839
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,920
add more sets because there's
more customers.

840
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,200
And now the sets add and you
know, as you're building supply

841
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,760
and demand, it just creates
this, this sort of self morphing

842
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,920
thing that just turns into
either hell or or heaven.

843
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,920
And again, every day is is one
of those two to me, usually both

844
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,640
depending what time.
Oh man, OK.

845
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,960
But I'm excited for you.
It's a it's a cool business.

846
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,120
On the road.
I think it's a good concept.

847
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,640
It's a need because there is a
lot of this stuff out there and

848
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,960
it's a cool name and oh.
Thanks.

849
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:04,800
For me, it was like it, it was,
it wasn't just about like, yeah,

850
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,360
a lot of it was also just about
being more eco friendly, right?

851
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,240
Yeah, recycling sets as opposed
to putting in landfills and

852
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,520
stuff.
Totally.

853
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,160
And I, I mean, I get a lot of
questions like smaller

854
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,360
management teams that are like,
I just, we don't have the start

855
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,840
up to build a set.
Like we need risers, we need a

856
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,320
drum riser, we need stairs, we
need something on stage for the

857
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,920
band and for our artists to kind
of run around.

858
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,000
Like know anybody who has
something in storage or

859
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,120
whatever.
And I've there's the one thing

860
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,200
that I've I'm always looking for
are the crank up cards for

861
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,720
video.
So that if you have like a video

862
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,000
set on stage, it like can get
higher and you can roll it on

863
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,200
stage for a festival set and
roll it off stage, right.

864
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,080
Like those.
That was the one thing I've been

865
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,560
looking.
I've been asking for those for

866
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,120
years.
And I always, we always end up

867
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,320
getting some version, but it's
like, Oh, yeah, this video

868
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,240
company has a set.
And oh, this video company has a

869
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,600
set, but they're always like, ow
or what?

870
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,960
So like things like that, you
know, like things that we know

871
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,600
exist, they're just taking up
space that doesn't need to be

872
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,160
taken up.
You can be on the road, you

873
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,000
know?
Yeah.

874
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,040
And I know that artists spend so
much money on storage, so, so

875
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,200
much money on stores.
Yeah, it's true.

876
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,680
It's true.
Or, or some of the larger

877
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,720
companies who have lots of space
just end up giving, giving the

878
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,520
storage away to keep the client
or whatever, right.

879
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,280
Yeah.
But yeah.

880
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,560
And again, like, I don't know
how many times you've seen an

881
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,520
artist use the same set, but it
doesn't happen that often unless

882
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,920
it's the same tour.
Basically just sort of keeps

883
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,920
going.
Col.

884
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,800
J's great at it.
Are they?

885
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,800
Coldplay's great at it, yes.
Yeah, well, they're big on the

886
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,680
whole the whole earth and
recycling thing, which is really

887
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:58,320
cool anyways.
But as a side note, I actually I

888
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,480
sit on the board for the Pyro
company that does Coldplay or

889
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680
that sells.
I think they probably do it

890
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,600
through I don't remember who
your SFX company.

891
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Is.
Yeah.

892
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:16,120
So they sell to strictly.
So really, really, really good

893
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,600
people.
Did I say Pyro company?

894
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,760
Yeah.
Confetti company.

895
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,320
Confetti Company, Yeah.
Confetti Company.

896
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,800
Sorry, I sit on the board for
the Confetti company.

897
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,360
Artistry in Motion.
Yeah.

898
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:35,520
Who who who provide all the
confetti to So, you know,

899
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,160
they're always telling me these
stories of how Coldplay say, but

900
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,960
the material needs to do this
and it needs to be this and it's

901
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,720
got to disappear in this amount
of time and it's got to be

902
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,320
biodegradable and it's got to be
so, you know, they really make

903
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,960
them, you know, dig hard on the
like.

904
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,000
You wouldn't think there's any
technology in confetti, but I've

905
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,120
learned so much from these guys.
Like there really is, there's,

906
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,440
there's a lot going.
On there, yeah.

907
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,680
It's not just paper.
Yeah, but even if it is just

908
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,760
paper, it's like very specific
paper that has to be this

909
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,360
reflective and this weight and
it has to flutter like this.

910
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,360
And it's got a, you know, it's
got to do all these things.

911
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,760
And then you've got all these
artists now who are printing

912
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,440
like dollar bills on on
confetti.

913
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,720
So they've got like fake money
that they're shooting out.

914
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:24,080
And it's wild.
We.

915
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,520
Did for paramour a couple years
ago.

916
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,200
We did different pieces that
said This is why, which was

917
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,760
their single time, OK Fans were
like collecting all three of

918
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,960
those words so they could like
frame them and put them.

919
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,120
In Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's

920
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,440
another interesting thing that
I've learned is there's a whole

921
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,320
business in that, that souvenir
confetti thing, like, you know,

922
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,480
people are are grabbing as much
of it as they can and selling it

923
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,040
on eBay and it's wild, wild.
But then we had a tour where we

924
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:01,000
did like we would put like 5
special pieces of confetti in

925
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,080
like cannons and like if a fan
found that piece they could

926
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,560
bring it to the merch table and
get like something for.

927
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Free.
What a cool idea, and that's a

928
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,120
great.
Idea I'm pretty sure like most

929
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,360
of them were found which is
crazy to me.

930
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,760
It's just like who?
Who are these fans that are like

931
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,280
literally like digging through
the empty coke?

932
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,280
Box well, or who's the who's the
confetti tech who's selling

933
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,480
those pieces of confetti to
somebody?

934
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:26,720
You.
Know.

935
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,320
There you go.
Hadn't thought about that way,

936
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,360
but true.
You want the prize confetti?

937
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,560
Here you go.
Yeah.

938
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,480
That's hilarious.
Yeah, that's funny.

939
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,680
Yeah, I.
Can't remember what tour it was

940
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,360
but yeah it.
Was artistry in motion?

941
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,280
Actually, Speaking of confetti
guys, I think it was the Super

942
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,880
Bowl.
They had a video that went viral

943
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:49,280
on during the Super Bowl.
There was somebody got a camera

944
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,080
on the guy that was like, I
think stuff in the cannons with

945
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,760
the confetti right before,
'cause you know, at the Super

946
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,360
Bowl, like they've got green and
white for, for the Eagles and

947
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,760
they've got red and whatever it
is white for the, for Kansas

948
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,600
City.
And at the end of the game, they

949
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,080
got to really quickly load those
confetti cannons so that you

950
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,840
know, they can blast them all
right away.

951
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,120
And you got to put the right
stuff in.

952
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,720
Obviously you don't want to have
Kansas City colors when

953
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,520
Philadelphia wins.
But anyways, he was he was

954
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,880
getting this ready or something,
and he was doing something

955
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,000
funny.
I don't even remember what

956
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,680
happened on the video, but they
called him confetti guy and this

957
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200
video got out on social media
and it went it's probably at

958
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,720
like 4 million views or
something right now.

959
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,320
So he's famous in artistry in
motion.

960
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,080
He's like, hey, I'm the confetti
guy.

961
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,960
It's.
Like the left shark from Katy

962
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,400
Perry's performance.
Yeah, it's true.

963
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,600
It's true, True.
Yeah.

964
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,680
That's hilarious.
So what else did I want to talk

965
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,920
to you about?
There's so much.

966
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,200
We used to have people that help
stuff the confetti cannons for

967
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,320
Kiss.
If there was anybody, like, any

968
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,320
sort of, you know, musician or
artist or whoever out front

969
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,320
watching the show, we would make
them do it with us.

970
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,040
Oh, really?
Fun, Yeah.

971
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Yeah, until somebody loses a
hand or something and then it's.

972
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,800
No good anymore or stuff
something accidentally that

973
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,320
should not be, Yeah.
You know that's true too, that.

974
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,480
Of a confetti cannon.
That's true, too.

975
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,720
Yeah.
So Speaking of KISS, what do you

976
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,840
think of them going out and
touring again after they retired

977
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,160
and, you know, we're done?
This is it.

978
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:31,040
This is the final final farewell
tour of all 12 farewell tours.

979
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,240
I have not even heard any.
Are they actually doing that

980
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:34,440
well?
I don't know if they're touring

981
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,040
or if it's just a show, but I I
believe it's more than one show

982
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,720
as I recall.
I don't know anything about it

983
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,040
to be honest.
And then I read that there's

984
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,400
going to be guest appearances
from, you know, Peter, Chris and

985
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,440
like, you know, the ace freely,
the previous members and stuff.

986
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,360
I mean, my husband will be
really excited about it.

987
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,600
He's a big fan.
Is he?

988
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,240
I mean, I was for a while, like,
you know, I mean, I was a

989
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:05,320
massive fan almost 50 years ago.
But yeah, today, you know what?

990
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,720
Like I think I told you I went
and saw them.

991
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,080
I don't know when it was, it was
probably 20.

992
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Oh, no, it was probably 19.
It was 2019 in was it Fort

993
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,280
Lauderdale maybe?
And and they were really good.

994
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,480
Like they, well, I'm just
looking at him going, he's 68

995
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,440
and he's 69 and like they're
still shaking their ass and, and

996
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,520
they're still.
Shoes in those.

997
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,560
Shoes, yeah, and.
Heavy.

998
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,720
They, they just, they didn't
mail it in, you know what I

999
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,880
mean?
Like they really still put on a

1000
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,120
great show and they sounded
pretty good.

1001
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,520
And you know, I mean, Kiss
didn't set a very high bar for

1002
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,000
musicianship and, and all that
kind of stuff.

1003
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,440
It was more about shaking your
ass and blowing fire and

1004
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,120
spitting blood and stuff.
But but they really did put on a

1005
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,040
good show.
I was, I was very impressed.

1006
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,200
I was that.
Was a good tour.

1007
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,040
I didn't expect to be impressed,
but I was.

1008
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,920
Yeah, that was a good tour.
You were still with him then,

1009
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,080
right as I recall.
Yeah, that was the last.

1010
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,800
One yeah and yeah, cuz I think I
had just had Doc McGee on my

1011
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480
podcast and he's like, hey,
we're coming down at Fort

1012
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,080
Lauderdale.
I want you over at that show.

1013
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,320
And I said OK then.
That man.

1014
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,840
And, you know, my girlfriend is
British and, and kind of proper

1015
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,880
and she's never been a real
heavy rock kind of person.

1016
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,920
Like she's more of a Rod Stewart
or Elton John kind of person.

1017
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,360
So I took her to her first, like
that kind of a concert and she

1018
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,720
was like loving it.
She was having such a great

1019
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,040
time.
And she's 5 feet tall and she

1020
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,200
got her picture taken with the
guys, you know, and she come.

1021
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Up to like their chest basically
like waist.

1022
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,480
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
I'll send you the picture later.

1023
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,840
I have one of my mom and my dad
with them and she was pretty

1024
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,760
short too.
And it was to say it was just

1025
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,480
like looking.
She's just like.

1026
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,760
Yeah.
Looking up a giant man.

1027
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,520
Yeah, it is.
So funny.

1028
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,760
I love that though, but I mean
it is funny that they're going

1029
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,680
out again like.
I had no idea.

1030
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,000
Yeah, I think at some point,
using a British term, you're

1031
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,240
taking the piss, you know, with
your fans when you keep saying,

1032
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,760
OK, this is it.
Like, you know, the Mötley Crüe

1033
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,680
one where they wrote a a
contract to their fans saying we

1034
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,480
will never tour again.
This is it.

1035
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,560
It's final.
So in other words, pay us these

1036
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,920
exorbitant prices for these
tickets because you're never

1037
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,240
going to see us again.
And then, you know, COVID

1038
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,160
happens and they come out right
after COVID with a stadium tour,

1039
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,200
you know?
So I know.

1040
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,560
Money is powerful.
Yeah, it is, honestly.

1041
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,200
And when you're sitting around
and you've been doing this for

1042
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,520
so long, it's like it's really
difficult to like get out of

1043
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,200
that lifestyle, right?
Like, yeah, that to me, I think

1044
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,120
like if I'm home for a really,
really long time, I start

1045
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,320
getting, you know, antsy.
And I think it's just because of

1046
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,920
years and years.
It's just being on the go

1047
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,360
constantly, right?
And I can't imagine if you're

1048
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:08,160
doing, if you're playing in a
band for why is it like what

1049
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,360
year?
50th.

1050
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,360
Yeah, 50th anniversary.
I mean, I can't imagine if

1051
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,600
you've been doing that for 50
years and then suddenly you're

1052
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,880
just nothing.
It's like, what's next?

1053
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,200
Are you too young to remember
Triumph?

1054
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,000
I know, I know.
Yes, I know Triumph.

1055
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,680
But I yes.
Yeah, you wouldn't have been a

1056
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,600
fan.
You were too young.

1057
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,840
No, but.
I also didn't have a lot of

1058
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,800
music exposure up in northern
Vermont, right?

1059
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Like we didn't have a lot.
Like we had one AM radio station

1060
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,520
in the area and then as like I
got older, we finally could get,

1061
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,920
we got some FM stations out of
Burlington and out Of Montreal

1062
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,560
and one FM station opened up in
the area.

1063
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,400
So like, but we didn't have, it
wasn't like when I was a kid,

1064
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,640
you know, up until like 12 years
old or whatever, we didn't

1065
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,360
really have a lot of music
exposure.

1066
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,000
We didn't have MTV or anything
so.

1067
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Well, I grew up on Triumph, you
know, being a Canadian, it was

1068
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,480
Triumph and Rush for me.
Yeah.

1069
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:13,200
And so Fast forward to now, I'm,
I'm good friends with Gilmore,

1070
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,760
the drummer from Triumph,
because he has a, a recording

1071
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,280
studio where like a lot of big,
big acts, Drake and, and

1072
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,200
Metallica's recorded there and
stuff that's called Metalworks.

1073
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,000
And, and he also has a rental
company, a sound and lighting

1074
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,560
and video rental company, also
under the same name, Metalworks.

1075
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,040
And so I've done business with
him for 10 years through Gear

1076
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,240
Source.
And anyways, I've been talking

1077
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:42,600
with him.
He's, they're, they're doing a

1078
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,400
50th anniversary tour this year
with no original members and,

1079
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,000
and they're going to have like
hologram or holograph.

1080
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,200
Or whatever.
That technology, but I think

1081
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,400
they're just using I think
they're using LED screens that

1082
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,280
are that are see through LED
screens or whatever.

1083
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,440
But anyways, the real band is
gonna be playing on, you know,

1084
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,120
these holograms.
Yeah.

1085
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:11,960
And and there's gonna be a live
band though, which is made-up of

1086
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,800
like I think Phil X is in it and
just some really, really good

1087
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,640
players.
A month ago, yeah.

1088
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Yeah, we do.
That's great.

1089
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,960
He was just in Nashville and a
bunch of us went.

1090
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,720
So high.
He's such a talented guy, that

1091
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,760
guy.
Like if you had to build a band

1092
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,800
around a guy, he'd be a really
good pick.

1093
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,920
He's a great singer, great
player, good guy, a lot of fun.

1094
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,040
He's a good guy.
Yeah, yeah.

1095
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,400
Yeah, it was really good to see
him.

1096
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,360
Yeah, so, so there's going to be
this sort of All Star band kind

1097
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:47,480
of behind the screen and then
triumph on the screen and and

1098
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:48,480
they're going to tour this
thing.

1099
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,320
So.
I think they're doing two or

1100
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,440
three shows as a little package
to start and then and then

1101
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,880
they're going to see if the
promoter wants to do the full

1102
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,160
tour.
And yeah, so it's going to be,

1103
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,800
it's gonna be gonna be
interesting.

1104
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,560
I used to design a lot of these,
like, tribute shows.

1105
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,720
There was a actually Canadian
promoter out of Western Canada

1106
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,560
that I used to do.
Like, I think we did a Bee Gees

1107
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,240
1.
And what else did we do?

1108
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,840
I think I helped out with their
Pink Floyd version, and then I

1109
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,120
helped out with their Beatles
one at one point.

1110
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,040
And it was so much fun because
they were just, you know, my

1111
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,320
favorite medium, like a theater.
Yeah.

1112
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,800
And they just, you know, ran
lean and mean and, and made good

1113
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,920
profit.
And yeah, I just get to, I mean,

1114
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,680
the Bee Gees 1 was really,
really, really fun.

1115
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,160
Like I still am at Bee Gees fan
now because of that show.

1116
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,400
So.
Yeah, well, yeah, I'll tell you

1117
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,760
what, the the tribute bands that
are out now, like every once in

1118
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,160
a while I'll see a journey one
pop up and I'll just be like,

1119
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,800
yeah, whoa.
And I mean, there's this one, I

1120
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,920
forget what they're called, but
the singer looks like Steve

1121
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,880
Perry.
He does the whole thing with his

1122
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,160
shoulder and stuff.
Just like Steve Perry sounds

1123
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,800
exactly like Steve Perry.
I mean, like I saw a video and

1124
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,200
I'm I'm going, what tour was
that?

1125
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,920
And then I realized it wasn't
Journey.

1126
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,800
And my girlfriend comes in and
goes, Oh my God, he sounded so

1127
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,000
good back then.
And I'm like, no, that's not

1128
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,280
him.
Like that's some dude who's in a

1129
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,080
fake Journey band.
But there's so many really good

1130
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,880
cover bands right now.
I can only imagine like the

1131
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,640
scrutiny they get to right?
Like, I mean, they must get so

1132
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,400
much hate throwing out them if
they've like done anything off

1133
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,360
of, you know, that's not like
completely what the band they're

1134
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,960
being, you know what I mean?
It's got to be for.

1135
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,960
Yeah, exactly.
I can only imagine like how

1136
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,160
difficult that must be if
they're not adhering to exactly

1137
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,000
what that band that they're.
Attributing.

1138
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,120
Yeah, you can't.
You can't ad Lib you you.

1139
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,800
Got yeah, you can't at all.
It's gonna be on top of your

1140
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,680
shit when you do that, so yeah.
How are you though with these

1141
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,640
bands that are that are like
touring with no no original

1142
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,120
people like Foreigner for
example, no original numbers.

1143
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:08,320
I mean, I, I don't really like,
I don't really watch any of this

1144
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,680
stuff.
Yeah, that's, but I, I feel

1145
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,720
like, you know, they got to do
what they got to do, right?

1146
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,480
Like if they're selling tickets
and they still want a tour and

1147
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,320
they then I mean.
Yeah, it's just weird.

1148
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,600
It's, it's just kind of weird,
you know, it's like a good

1149
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,400
friend of mine is a guitar
player in Calgary.

1150
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Yeah.
And last week he, I was talking

1151
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,800
to him and I said, what are you
doing tonight?

1152
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,720
And he said I got to go meet up
with some of the guys from, from

1153
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,120
April Wine.
They're in town right now and

1154
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,040
I've got a few friends in the
band.

1155
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,960
And I said, oh, what are they
doing?

1156
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,200
And he said it's April Wine.
Who was it?

1157
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,040
April Wine?
There were three bands BTO April

1158
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,240
Wine and I forget who the third
band was for some reason.

1159
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,400
But anyways, one of them had one
original member, one had none.

1160
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,800
BTO has I think 1.
And you know, they're out doing

1161
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,000
this tour where 3 bands.
There's a total of 3 original

1162
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,800
members from all three bands.
Combined, right?

1163
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,040
And, and it's selling really
well apparently.

1164
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,760
So hey, you know people.
Want to be entertained, you

1165
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,360
know, and if they're hearing,
Yeah, exactly.

1166
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,400
They're hearing their songs of
their youth, Yeah.

1167
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,280
You know, no matter who's
playing with them, as long as

1168
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,840
as, as long as it's like
adhering to that bands, you

1169
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,560
know?
Well, or, or generations like my

1170
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,960
son, you know, grew up listening
to my music in my cars and

1171
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:35,560
stuff.
And so so like my ex-wife, his

1172
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,880
mom has always been a huge
Queens Reich fan.

1173
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,640
She grew up with Queens Reich.
She worked for their record

1174
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,640
company for a number of years.
She got very friendly with them

1175
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,240
and to this day, like she's got
a Queens Reich tattoo on her

1176
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,000
ankle and stuff, right?
So I don't know if you know, but

1177
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,880
right now Queens Reich is 2
bands.

1178
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,120
There's Queens Reich with the
band plus a new singer, and then

1179
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,360
there's Jeff Tate's Queen Reich
Queens, right?

1180
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,040
So it was Jeff Tate's Queen
Reich, Queens Reich that was in

1181
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,000
in town last week and she
dragged him out to go to it and

1182
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,760
he sent me some.
Pictures of.

1183
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,520
Him and Jeff Tate and stuff.
And he's like, dad, It was

1184
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,880
actually really good.
Like, he knows every word to

1185
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,400
every song because that's
awesome.

1186
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,000
In his mom's car.
It's all she listens to, right?

1187
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,080
And so he grew up, you know,
going Jets City Woman.

1188
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,280
And so he knew every song and he
was like, dad, It was actually

1189
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,440
really good.
I enjoyed it.

1190
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,520
So.
And he's like a hip hop kid.

1191
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:36,440
There's a pretty cool insurgence
of like nostalgic rock coming up

1192
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,360
right now.
I feel like that's like a lot of

1193
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,760
people are doing reunion tours
that you wouldn't think would

1194
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,040
have ever done a.
Reunion tour, Yeah.

1195
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,680
Yeah, I mean, I'm honestly like,
I'm really excited about Oasis.

1196
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,840
I know that.
Yeah.

1197
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,040
I'm so excited about that.
So you think that's actually

1198
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,360
gonna happen?
Oh God, I hope so.

1199
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,800
It sure seems like it could
ignite at any moment.

1200
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,640
I know I'm really.
Hoping I can catch it when it

1201
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,160
comes to North America but.
For the minute while they're

1202
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,480
together.
I know, but I mean, there just

1203
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,280
seems to be a lot of that going
on.

1204
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:13,320
People just want to hear songs
that they're that give them

1205
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,560
comfort and happiness.
I.

1206
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,560
Guess I'm not.
Sure what it is.

1207
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:22,280
Or helps them relive those days.
Or yeah, helps their kids, you

1208
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,240
know.
Yeah, there's a huge appetite

1209
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,120
for it.
It seems like it it just the the

1210
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,320
tours that are still selling out
and selling loads of tickets

1211
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,040
like Journey and and sticks, for
example, or Oreo and Sticks or

1212
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,680
whatever.
And Oreo, I know they just blew

1213
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,920
up a little bit.
Yeah.

1214
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,080
But you know, some of those
bands, like, who knew?

1215
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,680
Because I remember my first
Sticks album, I was like

1216
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,200
probably 8 years old or
something.

1217
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,960
And this is a long friggin time
ago.

1218
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,800
And.
And who knew they'd still be

1219
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,800
touring now?
Like, I had no idea.

1220
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,680
And I guess the Stones would
probably tell you the same thing

1221
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,920
Mick could be like.
Yeah, I didn't think so.

1222
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,720
I mean, that's a big.
I think this was going to

1223
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,640
happen.
Yeah, yeah, we're excited.

1224
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,560
We're we're hoping to see
Metallica here coming through in

1225
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,640
a couple weeks.
And then Chris Hustle really

1226
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,360
wants to see ACDC.
So Oh yeah, I've got some rock

1227
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,600
shows in my future, I think.
Yeah, I saw Metallica in

1228
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,400
Edmonton last year cuz I have my
house up there in Banff, right?

1229
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,000
And so I was talking with Rob,
maybe he was even on my podcast

1230
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,800
or something, and he's like, you
got to come and see it.

1231
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,720
And I said, OK, are you coming
to Western Canada?

1232
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,880
And I'm expecting no because
most bands don't.

1233
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,320
And if they do, it's Vancouver,
right?

1234
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,920
So I thought I had a, you know,
it wasn't going to happen.

1235
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,880
And then he he said Edmonton.
And one of my long time best

1236
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,280
buddies lives in Edmonton.
And it was his birthday that

1237
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,800
day.
And so I took him and his

1238
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,400
girlfriend and went to the show.
And I actually really enjoyed

1239
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,200
it.
I loved it.

1240
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,880
And I've never been a Metallica
guy, but that show, like just

1241
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,800
the Normandy of it all, just
like Coldplay.

1242
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,480
Like I'm not a massive Coldplay
fan, but the size and scope of

1243
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,360
that show I I would love to see
at some point.

1244
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,480
And yeah, I mean, it's just
like, it's cool.

1245
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,840
It's cool that Metallica is
still touring.

1246
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:10,720
It's weird, but cool.
I'm.

1247
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,320
Excited to see it.
Yeah.

1248
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,800
Honestly, and I'm also really
excited to see Robin, what he's

1249
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,520
created.
Yeah, it's.

1250
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,040
Cool, it's cool.
I'll tell you the whole thing.

1251
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,440
Like just the way they do in the
round is is just very unique and

1252
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,600
different and you know, it's
just cool.

1253
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,720
I really, really enjoyed it
other than the, the, the fact

1254
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,920
that it was loud like I mean,
and that's when I started

1255
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,200
feeling like an old guy, you
know, cuz I've never complained

1256
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,960
about volume, but I was standing
in front of the Subs and it was

1257
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,360
just like.
Oh gosh, it.

1258
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,880
Was just beating the hell out of
me.

1259
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,000
Yeah.
But otherwise it was really

1260
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:48,920
great.
It was a great show.

1261
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,760
Nice.
Yeah, I'm excited.

1262
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,840
I think that's coming right up
here.

1263
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,160
Actually.
I think it's like the beginning

1264
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,240
of May.
Yeah, they like Coldplay too,

1265
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,520
right?
They just keep touring, keep

1266
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,520
touring, keep going.
It's a machine.

1267
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,240
They own all their gear, or they
own a lot of their gear.

1268
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,600
They own the sound system.
They own all the video screens,

1269
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,000
I think.
I think a bunch of the staging

1270
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,520
too maybe?
And if you go out that long, it

1271
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,880
kind of makes sense.
I guess it kind of does, yeah.

1272
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,760
And they've had this
partnership, I think on the

1273
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,800
sound system with, with Mire
Forever, where they just keep

1274
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,400
upgrading to a new system.
And so, yeah, it makes sense.

1275
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,400
I mean, Journey did that way,
way back in the earliest days

1276
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,840
when they first started.
They just, they bought all their

1277
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,400
own production and they toured
with all their own stuff and

1278
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,480
they had a sound and lighting
company and they'd rent it out

1279
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,880
when they weren't using it.
And Smart Pink Floyd did that

1280
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,440
with their sound system with
Britannia Rowe.

1281
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,760
I think I knew that.
Yeah, well, if you listen to my

1282
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,280
podcast, you'd learn all this
stuff.

1283
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,560
So I had the Britannia Row guys
on too.

1284
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:56,240
That see that that is when I'm
sad I missed out on it is David.

1285
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,640
David Gilmour.
Yeah, David Gilmour coming

1286
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,680
through I'm so sad I missed out
on.

1287
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,320
That.
So I was really hoping he would

1288
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,280
announce some more dates this
summer or this year, but I don't

1289
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:07,920
think it's gonna.
Happen.

1290
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,360
Mark says no, but a lot of
people I know say yes.

1291
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,080
So because it did so well and he
had a lot of fun and he still

1292
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,320
feels like he can still do it.
And I mean, he played well.

1293
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,160
He sounded good and but Mark, I
don't know if that's just Mark,

1294
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,840
yeah, being Mark, but Mark is
Mark says no, it's not going to

1295
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,200
happen and it's over.
But I hope you get to see it

1296
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,880
because it was cool.
But that whole thing, yeah, I

1297
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,640
want to see Mark's with the.
Stylus was really neat.

1298
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,680
Work on that too.
Yeah, it was neat.

1299
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Yeah, well.
Put in a universe that'll come

1300
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,160
back, hopefully.
Yeah, that's true.

1301
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,480
That's true.
What else?

1302
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,920
What else are you doing that we
haven't talked about?

1303
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,400
Cuz you got about 42 companies.
I know you.

1304
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,760
Closed the you.
Closed the house design.

1305
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,720
One, yeah, the staging company
went away after COVID, Yeah, no

1306
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,960
sense keeping that going.
You know, just that like we're

1307
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,760
really focused on the playground
and on set change, launching set

1308
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,160
change.
Yeah, as soon as we can.

1309
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,840
Yeah.
I mean, it's all pretty

1310
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,080
manageable though.
You know, it's, it's kind of

1311
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,040
like if you surround yourself
with the right people, then

1312
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,520
everything's pretty manageable.
But I'm, I mean, I'm kind of,

1313
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,200
I'm looking forward to having
July and August here in

1314
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,479
Nashville.
I'm going to go spend weekends

1315
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,000
at the lake as much as possible.
And in fact, I'm going to be

1316
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,960
here all of May too, so that's
cool.

1317
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,000
Kind of looking forward to
spending time at the lake and.

1318
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,840
Are you guys really enjoying
that lake Lake house?

1319
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,680
Yeah, it's so good.
We were there over the weekend.

1320
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,880
Yeah, we've had it.
Yeah, since Jeez.

1321
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,560
When we get it, December 21.
Yeah.

1322
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,040
Yeah.
And it's, you know, we were

1323
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,200
there this weekend, cleaning the
boat out and getting ready to

1324
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,240
put in the party barge, as we
call it.

1325
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,680
Yeah.
And other than that, I mean,

1326
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,840
just like getting these shows
off the ground, building the

1327
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:08,479
company up, honestly, building
up some up and coming designers

1328
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,479
through the company and trying
to just build, I don't know,

1329
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,200
build, build, build.
Yeah, I guess.

1330
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:18,040
Yeah, It's it's not there's
right now.

1331
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,279
It's pretty feels.
Everything feels pretty calm and

1332
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,080
manageable at this very moment.
Right.

1333
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,880
Let's.
Yeah, I'm sure that will change

1334
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,040
very soon.
Yeah.

1335
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,600
It's gonna be crazy.
Yeah.

1336
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:34,760
But yeah, I'm not at Coachella.
Yeah, we have artists there, but

1337
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,880
I'm not there, so I don't have
to go out this weekend for there

1338
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,399
'cause I'll be in Vienna.
Yeah.

1339
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,359
Yeah, I don't know.
Everything's pretty.

1340
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:43,640
That sounds.
Cool.

1341
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,840
I mean, I I want your life
sounds.

1342
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,560
Fun it sounds.
Amazing.

1343
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,359
Calm.
Amazing.

1344
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,120
Successful.
If you would have called me in

1345
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,560
January, it would have been a
very difficult, different story.

1346
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,120
Yeah.
Yeah, it would have been a

1347
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,440
little crazy.
I love all the projects you have

1348
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,680
going on.
I think you you are doing some

1349
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,920
really cool things.
I mean, the nonprofit 1 is

1350
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,600
obviously it is what it is.
It's hard.

1351
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,960
It's hard.
It's always hard to do things

1352
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,680
that that are new and different
and people have never done.

1353
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,960
But then you add to it the
component of, you know, a

1354
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,200
not-for-profit, you know, that
relies on government funding and

1355
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,760
stuff like that.
Then it's just like that much

1356
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,120
more complex, right?
Yeah, and I think it's just a

1357
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,520
little bit more stressful right
now, Yeah, just with the current

1358
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,120
climate.
But you know, we're just going

1359
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,760
to roll with the punches.
Yeah.

1360
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,080
As as they happen, yeah.
I'll tell you what, you're a

1361
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,560
champion because I know you just
had dental work this morning and

1362
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,720
you managed to smile and laugh.
And giggle all anybody can hear

1363
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,600
that.
But like the entire left side or

1364
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,880
right side of my face has been
the entire stage left side of my

1365
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,160
face, I think, I think you.
Talk better with dental work.

1366
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,360
So I think you should just you
should do it more often.

1367
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,840
I understand.
You way better now.

1368
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,240
Maybe they should just give me
nitrous all the time.

1369
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,160
Yeah, I mean, it's good.
It was supposed to be a super

1370
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,200
easy appointment.
And then all of a sudden, yeah,

1371
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,400
like, got like, needles all in
my mouth.

1372
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,680
But yeah, I, I'm feeling good
now.

1373
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,840
It's starting to, like, wear
off, which is great.

1374
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,800
Yeah.
Just in time for happy hour with

1375
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,440
a homie that's in town.
Oh, cool.

1376
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:13,800
Fun.
Yeah.

1377
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,680
Love to join you well.
Anytime.

1378
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:21,080
Thank you Sooner.
I appreciate you coming on again

1379
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:21,960
very much.
Thank you.

1380
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,080
I want you to come back anytime
you got something to promote or

1381
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,760
talk about or share or whatever,
and look forward to talking to

1382
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,160
you tomorrow about the other
stuff, Woo.

1383
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,880
Hoo, I'm excited to tell you
about phase two and.

1384
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:34,680
Phase two.
Yeah.

1385
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,320
Can't wait.
Can't wait.

1386
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,040
All right, have a good one all.
Right, you too.

1387
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,240
Music.