#305 - Mindi Pelletier - The heart of touring - LEADING LADIES

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Hello and welcome to Leading
Ladies with me, Sarah, Burnie.

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I've just been recording with
Mindy and another excellent

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conversation.
I am so lucky to be doing this.

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Really, I'm so lucky.
I mean, Mindy has well over 25

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years experience in the music
industry, an incredible tour

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manager.
I mean, absolutely incredible.

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We spoke very highly of Marty
Hon, who basically guided her

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through her first, let's say
first tours and has been, yeah,

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a support throughout going back
in the day, the 90s, you know, a

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lady coming into the industry
right through until now.

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Turned out that we'd actually
been on the same tour back in

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2013, although we don't actually
remember each other.

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So yes, excellent chat.
Thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed

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it.
I'm loving all these ladies that

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are coming onto the podcast and
having a chat with me.

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I feel that talking is a huge,
huge positive impact in our

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industry and I love to talk, so
it's a bonus for me.

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As always.
Ladies, if there's any of you

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out there that would like to
come on the show, tell your

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story and chat with me, then
please, please send me an e-mail

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producer@geezofgear.com and I
would love to have you on the

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show.
I'm also, as you everybody

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Now here's the leading ladies by
Geezers of Gear on tour.

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Maybe she got some stories to
share.

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Now here's the leading ladies by
the Geezers of Gear, Rockstar

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ladies with some stories to
share because La La La La la

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ladies.
Hello Wendy, welcome to Leading

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Ladies.
I'm so happy to be here, thanks

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for having me.
Really it's it was, it was

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Kristen that like sort of put it
put us in together.

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Yeah, yeah.
Thank you so much for that.

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I know we've been emailing back
and forth for a little while and

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you had a like, yeah,
availability today, this

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morning, time for you, isn't it?
Yeah, it's like 8:30 in the

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morning.
Yeah, I live in Oregon, so yeah,

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Pacific Time.
And we were just talking about,

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so I try and help as as many of
the stray animals as I can here

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in Crete.
And I just showed you the the

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little puppy.
Actually, maybe I should show

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that.
I'll show the rest of them.

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Yeah, I got to bring, got to
bring him up there and let

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everybody see, look.
At this thing.

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Oh my gosh, that face is.
Ridiculous.

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So basically.
What's his name?

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Go to a home and he's she's
called Joy Joy.

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So I've been very fortunate to
find a home for her, which they

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collect, I think April time,
which is very rare here.

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But you know, anyway, I've
managed to find a home, although

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I feel a bit sad that we're
going to be losing her.

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But at the same time, you know,
having puppy is a lot of

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responsibility.
But you've got it is, but I

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mean, losing her just opens a
door for another one to come in,

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you know, like finding that spot
and filling that spot is is

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important so.
But you were saying how you've

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helped, you know, like, yeah,
please, I know to go back on to

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what you were saying, but about
raising money and puppies?

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Oh, yeah, you know, just I have
one of our one of our, you know,

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I've been with the the Chicks.
So Dixie Chicks for like in my

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25th year, they're taking some
time off right now.

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But so we've I've seen them, you
know, get married, divorced,

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they'll have kids, their kids
all go to college, everything.

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So we're all, we're very close
and they're very, they love,

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they love dogs and they help,
you know, any charity that I

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know that I want to be involved
in, they're all about and they

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do a lot of charity work.
We do a lot of we, they help me

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raise a lot of money for dog
charity specifically.

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We have a, a nanny that was with
us for a long time.

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Her name is Judy and Judy
stopped, quit the industry when

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got her that, that certification
and she's in Denver.

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And so we, we help raise a lot
of money.

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But she, she, she helps me find
shelters that are like legit and

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really, you know, help, you
know, they just, probably mostly

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pit bulls really, cuz they just
have such a bad rap here.

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I'm sure they do there too.
Yeah, I've seen actually a few

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things on social media.
Recently about but she helps me

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find dog you know dog
sanctuaries, either just animal

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sanctuaries or dog rescues and
I'll contact them and say hey, I

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got some tickets for you.
You know you want to bring your

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stuff.
Do you want to or do you know

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you can just come to the show
and like everybody can have a

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minute or you can we can auction
these off.

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Every state's a little different
here.

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Some states that's considered
gambling.

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So you have to be a little
careful how you do the ticket.

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Sometimes you can do raffles,
sometimes you can just have

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people bid.
It just really is depends on the

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state.
But with one of the things I had

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success was with the bringing,
bringing some of them to the

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front of house if the if the
venue was OK with it.

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Of course, liability is a big
thing.

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Like that's the word first word
that pops out of everybody's

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mouth these days.
But we did do a show in it was

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in Tulsa and brought in a
rescue.

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They had a bunch of puppies and
they had them out and they were

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explaining their rescue.
And I went up and said, oh, I

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was like, you know, I had to see
the puppies.

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And then I was like, can I
borrow a couple of these?

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I'm just going to take them for
like an hour, you know, and take

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them down.
And they're like, oh, yeah,

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yeah.
So they helped me.

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I had like 3 puppies.
And we go through the halls and

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of course it's just, you know,
the whole hallway is just lit up

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with like beautiful smiles and
like, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.

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And the venue, they were, they
still continued to do it.

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Like they were really great.
They were like, oh, we love

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doing that.
And kind of changed their view

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on doing, doing things like
that.

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And I went down and I, the, the
chicks were in glam and I just

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opened the door and I just
shoved the puppies in.

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I just like, and that was just,
and then you just heard, Oh my

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God, you know, and stop.
I stopped all progress with the

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glam team.
I don't think they were super

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happy with me.
But like, and then I kind of

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just let the puppies in there
and about half an hour later I

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go in and they're all just
sitting around and they're just,

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you know, just having a moment
like, you know, having real

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lives instead of our normal like
tour life and, and the puppies

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and I look over and Emily's got
a puppy in her lap and, and she

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said her husband is our monitor,
is our monitor engineer.

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And she said, can you call
Martin on the radio and have him

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come in?
And I thought, oh fuck.

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Oh shit.
Yeah.

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I just.
So they had lost a dog that was

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actually on on the road with us
for a while, about a cup like 3

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months before that, a dog that
Martin had had for a long time.

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And he's great, fantastic Rd.
dog.

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And and then he goes in and
Emily's like, I want to take

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this puppy home.
So she ended up having she still

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have her name's her name's, I
think her name is Ezra and she

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or Ezzy and she is, you know,
turned out to be this great dog

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and they they end up organizing
with the charity.

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They, you know, the rescue
helped to get get her like

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there.
We'll hold on to the puppy until

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you get off tour.
And so, you know, and now Emily

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has that.
So they had that dog and then I

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think she's had three or 4 right
now because she a couple puppies

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she found in the woods by her
house, like just like random,

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you know, just they're on a hike
and these like puppies run up.

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So she end up keeping I think
one or two of them and then

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getting some adopted.
So sadly that is out there where

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people just have them and dump
them and they just, you know,

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there's too many rescues to help
to honestly, like it's hard to

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find.
It's hard to like define that

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because it's like there's so
many.

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And I try to just do ones that
are very specific, no kill and

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rehome and are, you know, like
Judy helps me with that.

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So I've been very lucky to have
someone that kind of researches

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that for us.
I really wish I could do so much

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more than what I do here
already.

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Like I, I was saying before,
like this winter alone, I've

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managed to home 30 puppies and
you know, one of them was a

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litter of 10/1 of the you know,
this, this little 1 now.

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And sadly here in, in, in Greece
or Crete, where I am especially

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there isn't the, there isn't,
there isn't anywhere that they

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go.
So they're on the street.

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No risk.
Yeah, yeah.

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They have babies and OK, people
will not might, some people

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might not like this now, but it,
it's, it's the truth.

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The local, I got to say the
local people, it is the local

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people, but it's the older
people that don't know.

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Oh, it's a hard one.
They put poison down.

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So they put poison down and they
get killed.

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Now, when I first arrived here,
I'd been on and off the island

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for like 15 years now.
You know, I was kind of like,

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oh, this is disgusting.
This is this, this is that.

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But you know what?
I I obviously I don't agree with

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it, like I really don't.
But yeah, when you have a small

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village that is overpopulated
with cats, with dogs having

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babies and to get them
sterilized is €100.

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Now the average wage here is €50
a day.

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Right, right.
You, you, you're not going to

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spend money on getting
sterilized.

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And there's no, there's no
charities, there's no backup.

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The government doesn't back it
up here.

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So I mean, at one point I'll get
on to this because I know you're

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like walking.
I do a lot of walking and it was

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during, well, during the COVID
time, I would be walking all the

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mountains.
And I mean, some of the dogs I

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found would, I mean, in a state
that you wouldn't even, it was

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just just terrible chained up,
but left because, you know, they

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just leave them.
I called the police.

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I had a Greek friend with me
called the police.

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The police came up because you
know, that's who you're meant to

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call.
And then they, you know, find

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the solution.
Right.

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Shrug the shoulders.
Yeah, you know, well, you know,

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what can they do?
So it is really bad, I said.

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I mean, I try and do as much as
I can here, like really I do by

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saving them.
I've had up to 10 dogs before

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then some of them have been
poisoned, which is

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heartbreaking.
I've found homes for them.

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So it's, it's tough, but it's
also, it's tough in other

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countries.
And I know that there are a lot

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of charities here or volunteer,
yeah, charities.

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But you know, they, it is all
volunteer work that they try and

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home them and they go to other
countries and you know, so

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everyone's doing the best they
can basically.

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Yeah, here it's, it's the
problem of, you know, it's the,

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it's the pocket Princess dogs
that people want to go purchase.

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It's the, it's the puppy mills
that people, you know, are, are

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allowed to have.
And, and I'm, I'm all for like,

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if you want a purebred dog, I'm
I'm for it.

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But like there, it should be
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pop places where the animals are
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They'll just be, you know, lines
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Oh my God, we put down thousands
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Like, what are we doing?
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the amount of money and, and
time that people spend just

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putting dogs down, you know,
like, I don't understand why,

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you know, just adding to that.
It doesn't make any sense to me.

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So like we, we have the ability
like to get get them fixed.

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Like, you know, there's cat
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here.
I live kind of more on the

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bottom of the Mount Hood outside
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I'm about an hour outside of
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you know, they, they round up
the cats and they get them fixed

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and they let them back out
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home for them, but at least
they're fixed and they're not

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just, you know, having babies
everywhere, but you know, it's

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but cats are a little different
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shall we say, but dogs are
different, you know, and it's,

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it's frustrating when I mean all
four have your, have your

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purebred dog, but know that
there's probably so many dogs

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just walking down a little
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just as good and just as happy
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So and they've, you know,
they've, they've probably, I

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mean, all the rescue dogs, you
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nature that, you know, they're
just so happy to have this home.

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I mean, at one point I thought
that all the dogs that I had,

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they were just like going around
the streets going, oh, I know a

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nice lady.
She'll she'll feed you.

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And they always, they always,
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cats, but they always find me
because I know I'm going to

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probably give them a treat.
Dogs, you know, always find me

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like, and I'm sure they do you
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They know.
Oh, as I said, I mean, I've got

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6 cats outside now.
I've sterilized them all this

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winter and there's another one I
saw popping over, you know, and

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I, I, I try and do the best I
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That's all you can really do and
the, and the same for me too,

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like I try to, you know, I'll,
I'll volunteer to like take dogs

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on walks and things I wish I
could foster.

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Trust me, if I could, I, I have
2 1/2 acres here in a little

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Creek of this beautiful piece of
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And I would love to have like 70
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travel so.
Yeah, exactly so.

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Gizmo.
I was going to say, does Gizmo?

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Gizmo is your little pug dog?
Does does?

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Is it he or she?
It's he.

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He's.
Does he go on tour with you?

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He's come when we've been down
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to LA, brought him with me when
we're there, when I'm somewhere

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for two or three weeks.
But he's not a city dog.

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He is very much kind of a
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He he doesn't dig the cities and
he gets really hot.

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So you have he's because he's
got Pomeranian and he's just

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covered him.
I wish I maybe if we take a

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break or something, I'll make
sure to show them to you.

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But he he's really fuzzy.
So he just gets hot and I wish

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he could go on the road.
He's when we've done some local

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like actually out by where
Kristen lives and bend and we

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did a run out in there and he
did that run with me.

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My friend brought him down and
or my sister brought him down

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and he he was with us on the
road.

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It was great because, you know.
Because I think I've been on a

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tour when there's been a dog and
really it just makes everybody

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feel so much better.
Every tour should have a dog.

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Yeah, we, we've all, we always
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We always have dogs.
And we, I did Norah Jones, she

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had her dog for a while.
You know, like Bonnie Raitt, the

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first tour I ever did, she had a
poodle named Lexie.

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And Lexie went everywhere.
In fact, Lexie was out there.

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Lexi became blind and and deaf
and couldn't really, you know,

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just really had to keep the
stage the same every day, which

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we did anyway because Lexi had
her little spots that she'd go

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to.
But she, yeah, we, you know, so

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I've like, always feel like I'm
always on tour with dogs, like

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one way or another, there's
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So very, very lucky.
Who was that?

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Who was the last one?
Who, who, What artist had the

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dog?
Bonnie Raitt Yeah, No, because

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when I was.
Looking at I was like looking at

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like, you know, all the tours
you've been on and things I

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don't you was on you was the
road manager on bet not bet

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Midler.
Oh gosh.

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Sarah Burnie, Barbra Streisand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Was that the European like?
Yeah, it was.

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Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we did, I think.

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I was on that with you.
You were.

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Yeah.
That is really funny.

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I know.
So I've I've actually.

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But you know what?
That is one of those tours, man,

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I got stories.
I probably can't tell them like

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you and I, but but I feel like I
was kind of in this little like

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bubble because I travelled with,
you know, A&B party and helped

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with the band and stuff and and
and this very separated I I felt

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so.
Yeah, well.

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The The funny thing, so I was on
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the the main dressing room guy
was Rich Rock.

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Yeah, OK, I think I remember
that.

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Yeah.
Gosh, that was such a long time

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ago, but.
Yeah, well, I know it's such a

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long time, but then when I when
I saw on the, you know, 2000, I

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was like, I did that, but I
don't really remember if that

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makes sense.
Like it, you know, it was so far

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away, but then I don't remember.
There's a couple of people on

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the crew that I've met since,
but a lot of people, you know,

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really just out there.
And I was like Mindy, I was

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like, and I nearly tried to like
Google the the day sheets just

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to to see if we were.
But yeah.

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So he was more a a yeah, he was.
Yeah, I mean, there was, there

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was times where sometimes I, you
know, get people in cars and

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then there'd be things at the
hotel that need to be done and

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I, you know, I'd have to go do
them and deal with them and, and

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sometimes didn't even come over
to the gig.

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So it was a that was an
interesting, that was an

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interesting one.
I was going covering for Marty

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Ham, who I don't know if you've,
he's kind of a mentor of mine,

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really.
He's amazing.

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We had him on the other podcast,
Geez of Gear.

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Oh, you did.
That's right.

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You did.
That's right.

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Yeah.
So yeah, he was.

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He was doing something else.
And and myself and Dan McGee

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went out there to cover for him.
He might have.

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He might have been like, you
know, he overlaps a lot of

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tours.
I'm not that type of person.

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I don't have that brain capacity
that Marty has to do that.

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So I, I, I'm glad that he does,
but I, I can't.

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So we went in to cover that run
for him and it was, it was

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interesting.
It was, you know, when you don't

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set up a tour and you just go
and you work it like I'm now I'm

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so used to I my mind is program
it logistics and then when

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you're just shoved out there and
like, OK, get him from point A

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to point B.
It's I find that a little more

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challenging these days, like
because I'm so used to prepping

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everything and knowing
everything really well.

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You know, some of that's like
learning on the fly, which is

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definitely has us challenges,
especially within that that big

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of a but.
Can I ask when did you, Yeah,

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when did you start in the
industry and how did you start?

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Like what?
What's the background team?

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I actually, so when I was in
high school in Eastern Oregon,

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my sister would take me.
She's older and she, my dad

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allowed, allowed me to go with
her, which if he knew that what

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went on when we went, he
probably wouldn't because I

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think I was like the someone
without a driver's license

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driving, you know, driving
these, it was different times

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back then, but you know, driving
these older kids that probably

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shouldn't have been driving
definitely did my share of

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driving without my driver's
license.

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I do remember that.
But we'd go to Seattle all time

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and go to concerts in Portland
and I just fell in love with the

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just always fascinated with the
backstage world and, and all of

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it, you know, just watching
people and, and then I, I then,

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you know, we're, I was an MTV
kid, so we had a lot of like, I

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thought I wanted to do music
videos.

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I went to the Art Institute in
Seattle and really wanted to

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focus on video and, and that
kind of production.

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It was kind of, there wasn't
really anywhere to do anything

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like that back then.
You know, like now there's more

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options for people to, you know,
get schooling for our industry.

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Back then there really, really
wasn't.

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And so the artist suit was kind
of the closest I could really

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find.
And I met a few people there

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that I went to school with that
like started a stagehand company

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and out at the Gorge and at
Tacoma Dome.

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And I was thought for sure I was
doing video.

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But I went and I started doing
internships and in like the

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local news stations and things.
And, and then I worked at this

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place where they, you know, they
had like an editing suite and I

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hated it.
I was like, this job is so

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fucking boring.
I and it's not, it wasn't music

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related either, but it's kind of
what you had to pay your dues.

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And so my friend called me.
He's like, hey, I need I need

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people out the gorge.
Do you want to come out and, you

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know, work.
And I was like, yeah, let's

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let's do it.
And I started state being

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stagehand out there with him and
his company grew quickly.

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We end up getting a lot of
venues and he started, you know,

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I started supervising doing, you
know, it did every job like

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rigged, you know, stagehand
runner, everything and and just

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gave up on the on the other side
of it just was like, I can't, I

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don't I don't want to really.
I can just going to start.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it just wasn't for me

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anymore.
And I just, I was working, you

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know, I, I kept really busy
between, you know, working

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locally is hard.
Like you have to, you have to be

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a hustler.
You have to hustle.

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You have to hustle all kinds of
gigs.

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And I was lucky enough that I
did that and I had people, you

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know, believe and trust in me
because like, you know, being a

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woman stagehand back then, I was
maybe there was maybe two of us

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or three of us and it was
brutal.

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Like to where people didn't
quite get it.

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Local people were you had people
that understood, but you know,

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sometimes you got support, but a
lot of times you didn't.

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So it was, it was a very, it was
a harsh reality.

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Like it's like kids nowadays,
you know, they have no idea like

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what women went through back
back then.

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And so, but I stuck with it and
he was great.

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He he had me supervising and
stage managing.

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What?
Kind what?

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What year was this?
Just to get an idea.

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Probably 95949594, something
like that.

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I did that for it was it was a
different, it was a different

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thing, but but also amazing to
take like the people that did

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support me and like, like, let's
go, you know, like because I was

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great.
You know, I was just

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logistically, I just have one of
those brains and I was a hard

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worker.
And so I started doing a lot of

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stage managing for him and that
led me to stage managing some

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really cool local gigs.
Like I don't know if you ever

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heard of Bumper Shoot Festival,
but there's a great festival in

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Seattle, tons of music, like a
couple weeks of music.

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I, I, I stage managed mainstage
there met a lot of touring

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people doing that.
But one of my favorite gigs was

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being a runner.
And it was favorite, but it was

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also one of those jobs that's
like really hard.

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But I discovered, you know, they
were renting towels all the

440
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,320
time.
And my friend started this like

441
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,880
kind of towel thing.
He was buying towels and renting

442
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,880
them.
He moved.

443
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,600
He's like, hey, I'm going to
give you my towel business.

444
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,480
And I'm like, what?
I'm like, OK, well, yeah, bring

445
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,880
it.
And I got to know so many.

446
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,920
I did every show in town after
that.

447
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,960
I had towels.
I bought myself a van.

448
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,880
So I rented myself my van.
I had my towels.

449
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,280
I at some point, at one point I
was doing dressing room

450
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,440
ambiance.
I bought like furniture I had

451
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,560
and a storage thing and I was
moving shit around.

452
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,640
I mean, it was like you had to,
but I worked all the time.

453
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,680
And that's How I Met Bonnie
Raitt because she was in town

454
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,640
doing a private show and then
she had a regular show.

455
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:59,040
She was in town for like a week
and I had met her, her her

456
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,960
production manager somewhere in
in the mix of all of that.

457
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,000
And he knew I knew I had a van
and he called me and he said,

458
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080
you know, is there any chance
you could drive Bonnie?

459
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800
She doesn't really love limo.
She doesn't, you know, like I

460
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,680
think you're being in your
personal van everything but like

461
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,360
this kind of her vibe.
And I was like, sure.

462
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,760
So I picked up the airport,
drove around for a week, got

463
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,360
along through great, went into
this venue.

464
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Her dressing room was horrible.
I was like, oh, let me go get

465
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,960
some stuff and spoof up her room
because she had to be there for

466
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,800
a couple days.
And she found out I did that.

467
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,160
And we just hit it off, you
know, like we just, we were in

468
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,440
the car, she'd sit in the front
seat.

469
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,160
We talked.
I was taken to the airport when

470
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,080
it was all done.
And she said, you know, my

471
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,000
assistant's been with me a long
time, but she, she, she's having

472
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,520
a baby or something and she's
leaving.

473
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,280
Would you want to come on the
road?

474
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,680
And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.
But then I hadn't really

475
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,200
thought, you know, I thought of
that because I had man, I was

476
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,000
dialed, I had my shit dialed in
like, you know, locally.

477
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,240
And she's like, well, I'll have,
I'll have Kai call you.

478
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,800
And so I, the next day he called
me and he's like, do you want to

479
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,440
do this?
And I was like, yeah, let's, you

480
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,680
know, let's do it.
And I handed off my towel

481
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,920
business, sold my stuff, like,
kind of like, OK, I'm going to

482
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,680
give this a shot.
And then that was it.

483
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,920
I went out there and met, you
know, met Marty Hom was the tour

484
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,040
manager on that.
And he called me up one day and

485
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,400
said, hey, can you come have
lunch with me?

486
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,680
And he was amazing.
He said, you know, I know you

487
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,600
haven't toured before.
I know you've worked locally.

488
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,440
I know you know what you're
doing.

489
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,280
But, you know, let's, I'm going
to show you.

490
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,840
I'm going to tell you how I run
things.

491
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,920
And this is what I do.
And he was very like, like to

492
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,120
take time out of his busy day to
have lunch.

493
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,440
You know, he was at the Sorrento
Hotel in Seattle and never

494
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,040
forget it.
And he was on it.

495
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,320
He was on another tour, but he
took time to call me.

496
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,960
And it's like, you know, like
give me an opportunity.

497
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,080
Yeah.
And and I went out and worked

498
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,440
out and then from there, you
know, from there, it's just word

499
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,480
of mouth.
I just from that I went, I went

500
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,400
over to the Chicks land for a
long time and then bounced back

501
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,520
and forth between them and
Bonnie.

502
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,640
And then, you know, I just I've
done, you know, so many

503
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,520
different things.
A lot of lady artists.

504
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,160
I don't.
It's not something like I seek

505
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,080
out.
It's just what comes to me and

506
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,800
it and it works.
So.

507
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,840
With the chicks, you've been
with them, you say, 25 years

508
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,160
now.
Yeah, yeah.

509
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Started as an assistant for the
three of them, their first big

510
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,680
arena tour, and just kept.
It was very Nashville set up

511
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,720
very Nashville.
And when I say that, it means

512
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,720
like, you know, like the
production manager was also tour

513
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,120
managing.
There wasn't really like a a

514
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,720
road manager.
They do back.

515
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,000
It's a little better now, but
Nashville just had like a

516
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,480
different way of kind of
organizing a tour more of like

517
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,280
then like the normal rock shows
would.

518
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,120
And so I had to kind of adapt to
that because I had been pro, you

519
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,240
know, like I knew the Bonnie
world, which was a lot

520
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,960
different.
And so I end up from that that

521
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,280
job.
I end up doing a lot of things,

522
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,520
end up Rd. managing and just
there's just so many jobs that

523
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,920
needed to be covered on that.
And eventually we kind of got it

524
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,880
to where like it really, really
needs to be like with staffing.

525
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,360
And I mean, it worked, but
they're still like, you know, it

526
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,600
was just a different time back
then.

527
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,720
You would never be able to kind
of do the way they did it.

528
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,920
You know, now like it's, it's
different.

529
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,240
But yeah.
And from there I, you know,

530
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,360
they, I Rd. managed for a long
time and then, you know, there

531
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:26,240
was tour managers that came and
went and eventually they are

532
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,480
just like, can you just do it?
You're kind of doing it anyway.

533
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,400
And which I kind of was.
So I was like, you know, OK,

534
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,160
let's do it.
And then I.

535
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,280
Yeah.
You know.

536
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Hard working yeah Rd.
Managed doing everything but I

537
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,920
love the fact that you know
you've come from not come from

538
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,520
but you had your successful
tower business and it's through

539
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,040
yes driving and.
Driving, I mean, you don't.

540
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Know what the opportunities are,
which is what I always say here,

541
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,440
you know.
You never know.

542
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
You don't know who you sat.
Well, you knew who you sat next

543
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720
to, but you don't know who
you're going to meet, where that

544
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,160
opportunity is going to take
you.

545
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,480
And like, really that's.
And being kind to people, I

546
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,240
mean, like, you know, like you
never know who's going to be

547
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,640
your next opportunity.
You know, like this business is

548
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,400
all about who you know, you can,
you can know everything, but if

549
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,240
you don't know any anybody to
help get you where you need to

550
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,200
go, then you're not going to go,
you know, so being kind to

551
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680
people and being like
professional across the board

552
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,560
with literally anyone.
And, and just that's my

553
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,480
philosophy anyway.
I want to walk into a hotel,

554
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,640
walk into a venue and at the end
of when you walk out, they're

555
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,040
like, Oh, that's great.
That's a great team.

556
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,880
That's a solid team.
They had their shit together,

557
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,320
they're professional, they were
nice.

558
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,760
You know, you're representing
the artists.

559
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,360
Like I think that that's super,
super important and you know,

560
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,720
you never know what's going to
come from that from either

561
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,320
people at the venue or people on
the tour or, you know, just like

562
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,760
I've had a lot of times people
call me like, hey, I work with

563
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,040
you and you seem really great.
So I passed your name along and

564
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,760
it end up being, you know, the
pass my name along to a gig that

565
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120
worked great.
You know, it was a fun gig.

566
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,120
So like you have to know that
like everything you're doing and

567
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,840
everybody out there is an
opportunity to go further.

568
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,000
If you want to, you can.
You don't have to go further,

569
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,440
but you know, if you want to,
it's out there.

570
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640
It's just all how you treat
people and.

571
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,280
There's a lot of people that,
you know, I've seen it, you

572
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,080
know, very not too faced as
such, but yeah, put on the face

573
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,160
for people that they think are
the important and.

574
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Disrespect.
If you're not, you're treated

575
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,040
like crap.
Yeah.

576
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,720
And, you know, and I see it and
it's, you know, I've said this

577
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,520
many times on here before.
I don't know how these people

578
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,480
still get jobs and they still
keep on going and like they.

579
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,320
Do though.
And they do.

580
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,080
And I say this all the time
because, you know, say like

581
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,040
yourself, you know, if you could
see someone that's like that,

582
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,120
you know, you're going to pull,
pull them to one side or, or not

583
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
hire them.
But then they get hired by these

584
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,800
people.
And I'm like, dude, can you not

585
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,680
see that?
You know, like when you're not

586
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:08,960
in the room, they're just nasty.
Yeah, I've fired people for like

587
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320
really horrible things.
I don't like firing people.

588
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,880
I really take it like I take it
really seriously when you're

589
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,000
firing somebody because
everybody's got families and,

590
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,880
and, and a job's super and you
know, it's a, it's a big deal.

591
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,080
So if I'm firing you, it's like
you really got to fuck up really

592
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,240
bad.
Because I do give people

593
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360
opportunities to, to fix their
fuck ups.

594
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,000
But I have fired people for like
some really horrible things and

595
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,640
then found out like the next
day, like they're working on

596
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,440
another tour.
And I'd be like, bro, what the

597
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,800
fuck is happening?
Why is how are you just walking

598
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,200
off on my tour for something
really fucked up?

599
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,960
And then you're just like
working the next day?

600
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,800
Especially after COVID, like
COVID, it was like if you were

601
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,440
breathing and you had half a
brain, you were working, you

602
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,800
know, like it was like there's
hard, it was hard to find

603
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,240
people.
So, you know, I think like it

604
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,280
blows my mind.
I've worked and I've worked with

605
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,360
people that are just, I mean,
you know, tour managers,

606
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040
production for the most part,
I've had really, I've been

607
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240
really lucky.
But there's a couple or you're

608
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
just like production managers is
a hard one because they just get

609
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
torn all over.
But they can be they can be so

610
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,240
mean to people sometimes.
And you're like, what is

611
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,920
happening?
Why?

612
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,640
It doesn't really need to be
like that.

613
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Like, yeah, sometimes someone
needs to yell at.

614
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,480
I give you that.
Sometimes people need to know,

615
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,440
like, OK, I'm raising my boys
right now because you're not

616
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,560
paying attention.
Or whatever.

617
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:39,360
But for the most part, yeah, it
is, it is amazing how, how, how

618
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,120
that is.
And you know, what's sad is that

619
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,320
like, we don't have HR out here.
We don't have like any, you

620
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,560
know, there's not like they
could like, you know, I am the

621
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,760
HR.
So like if you got an HR problem

622
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,000
or, or the production manager's
HR, you're supposed to

623
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,600
technically contact that person
now.

624
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,040
Now management's getting better
about like, OK, you can contact

625
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,360
this person in management and
separating it a bit.

626
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,920
It depends on who you work for.
Not everybody does that, but you

627
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640
know, so there isn't anybody,
there's nobody to advocate for

628
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,800
these crew people who just get
it's.

629
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,440
Actually true because I mean
even if I mean normally you'd

630
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,120
also go to, you know, your crew
chief first and then it would be

631
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360
taken to a.
Lot of times it's probably your

632
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,280
crew chief that's giving you
such a hard time.

633
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
But this is what I was going to
say is probably like, how can

634
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,480
you go to the person that's
actually causing the issues?

635
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,080
So I've never really thought
that there isn't an HR.

636
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,640
I mean, I talk a lot about
support with, you know, like

637
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,920
mental health when you're on
tour.

638
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,600
But actually, yeah, yeah, an HR
somebody that you can go to, you

639
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,480
know that you can bring it up,
bring things up there isn't

640
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,080
that, is there?
It's, it's not really, I mean,

641
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,960
like I said, they're getting
better about like management and

642
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,520
you know, and liability is such
a thing now like that.

643
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,920
They're like some, sometimes
they'll like if you have a

644
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720
problem, you have to report it
and then contact this person.

645
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,600
And sometimes there's someone in
a management company that will

646
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,600
take, take on that role.
But really it's, it's, it should

647
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,760
be the production manager and
myself like that gets, you know,

648
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,400
brought to our attention.
You know, I have a very open

649
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,199
door policy.
People that work for me know

650
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,800
that like you can, you can, you
know, you can bring bring it to

651
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,840
me.
We can talk about it.

652
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,320
Let's let's talk it out.
And sometimes that creates like

653
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,639
things that be talked out.
Maybe that's that like maybe

654
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,040
should have went to a crew chief
first or whatever, you know, but

655
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,199
it's hard.
But there.

656
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,239
I mean, I, I, I look out for my
crew and bad people all the time

657
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,800
because if, you know, if you
left it up to accountants and

658
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,080
people and management, nothing
against management people, but

659
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,840
they don't live on the road.
They don't know what it's like

660
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,199
to have a rate that you're
trying to get.

661
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,520
And that rate may seem high, but
it's like, well, that rate's

662
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,320
high because they only work five
months a year and they're away

663
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,719
from home and they leave
everything and they literally

664
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,800
you get purchased for this
amount of time and you leave

665
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,120
everything in your life for
that.

666
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,960
And it does, it is, there is a
cost for that, you know, so

667
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,720
there has to be somebody that,
you know, there's no agent to go

668
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,240
to, you know, like, unless
you're like a lighting designer

669
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,840
or somebody that has an agent,
like there isn't anybody looking

670
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,120
out for people.
So I, I do find I, I really, I

671
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,760
take that very seriously.
Like I take my job taking care

672
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,160
of the people as seriously as I
do, doing what the artist needs

673
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,680
to do and keep within their
budget.

674
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160
But there also is times where
like we really have to take care

675
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,040
of the people because without
your people, without a team, I'm

676
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,720
nothing.
I can't go out there by myself,

677
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,000
you know, and I don't know how
to do lighting or, you know,

678
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,280
there's so many things on the
tour.

679
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,400
I don't not only do I not know
how to do it, I do not want to

680
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,120
do it.
Didn't pay me enough money.

681
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,320
Be a monitor engineer.
Great skill.

682
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680
You know what, like there's a
hot seat every night, you know,

683
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200
So at I, I like to take care of
people on the road.

684
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,800
But it's, it's kind of, it
boggles my mind.

685
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,800
It's really.
Refreshing to hear because you

686
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,880
don't hear that a lot, you know?
Oh, I took some time off last

687
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,400
year and I, I had, I had knee
surgery and then I had my, my

688
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,200
parents with me and my dad end
up falling and he anyway, I had

689
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,320
to, I had my parents with me for
like 4 or five months.

690
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,480
And I kind of miss windows.
You know how it is on touring,

691
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,760
like if you miss a window, like
you get close to a season, it's

692
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,120
like, oh shit, it's July.
Like I don't have any, you know,

693
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,480
like you're probably not gonna
either.

694
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,280
You're probably either I done
for the rest of the year or

695
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,480
you're gonna get something late
fall.

696
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,320
And so I'd missed some windows.
So I didn't know when my dad was

697
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,240
leaving and when I was done, I
was like, scared.

698
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,520
I'm just going to do the summer
in Mindy and go have a good time

699
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,920
and camp and and and hike and be
with my dog and see my family.

700
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,880
It was really great.
But I got a number of calls

701
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,920
from, you know, because I have a
team of people and I was like,

702
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,800
I'm really sorry everyone.
I got to just take this year

703
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,200
off.
I've been planning for it

704
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,360
anyway.
I've got to do this.

705
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,080
I had some knee surgeries, had
some meniscus tears on my knees

706
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,160
and whatnot.
And that took six months because

707
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,480
of both knees and.
And I'm like, no, yeah, man,

708
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,320
gigging.
All those years of gigging and

709
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,920
you know I've.
Never really spoken about that,

710
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,680
the wear and tear of the body,
but yeah, the wear and tear of

711
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,000
the body, so.
Yeah, yeah.

712
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,320
I mean, and then once I tried to
fought through it in the one leg

713
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,640
through a whole tour and it was
painful.

714
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,040
And then I ended up messing up
the other knee in the process

715
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,680
because you're wearing a brace
on the other one and you're you

716
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,320
know, you know, you know what
it's like we work.

717
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880
We walked 10 miles a day up and
down stairs and stressing and on

718
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,000
and off of a bus and carrying
bags and all that.

719
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,560
And yeah.
And so I instead of just like

720
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,280
saying I need to go home for
three months and sort this out,

721
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,760
which could you imagine, say, I
can never say that as, as, you

722
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,480
know, in any position really.
So like, I, I was like, well,

723
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,960
I'll go get through this tour
and I'll take this time off and,

724
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,040
and, and then, and you know, the
parents thing made it a little

725
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,960
longer, but I had a lot of
people on my team call me, you

726
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,880
know, various things happen and
I'm like, OK, here's what,

727
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,640
here's how you, here's what you
should do.

728
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,760
And, and you know, I mean, then
like at least like four or five

729
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,240
of them, which isn't, which
isn't a lot, but it's like, if

730
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,720
you think about it, it's like
that's four or five people on a,

731
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:03,600
on various tours that are like
sitting out there going, I don't

732
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,560
know what to do here.
Like I'm having a problem with

733
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,320
so and so or I'm, you know, I
have this issue or, and they

734
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,800
didn't even know who to call,
you know, and I think that's

735
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,520
unfortunate.
You know, like you should, you

736
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,120
should, you have a
responsibility.

737
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,200
You know, we ultimately we work
for the artists and that's the

738
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,240
biggest responsibility.
But there is also a

739
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,920
responsibility for the people
that work for you and your team.

740
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,680
You know it's important.
I believe that having, you know,

741
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,240
having a, a good team, you know,
and uplifting others, you know,

742
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,200
is, is a huge thing because if
you have a crew that's down,

743
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,600
everything else is gonna be
down.

744
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,640
Yep, everything will be down.
And I don't know what makes a

745
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,960
great crew yourself being the
tour manager filtering down, you

746
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,000
know?
Yeah.

747
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,240
And you know, the other thing is
like, you know, sometimes, you

748
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,440
know, I'm a big fan to give
people of giving people

749
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,200
opportunities, especially women,
because women get we get

750
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,280
pigeonholed into being only
certain jobs and the pay scales

751
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,000
for those jobs are always lower.
I've been, I've been blown away

752
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,520
at some of the budgets I've seen
over the years.

753
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,160
I'm like, why is that person
who's working all day make $1000

754
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,800
bucks a week less than that
person?

755
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,960
Like that shit is bullshit.
And so I, I tried to fix that on

756
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,400
my tours and it's not easy
because there's a mentality

757
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
there of like, well, that's what
that job pays.

758
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,440
And it's like, but that person
is there all fucking day, you

759
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,520
know, like they're there longer
than than the carp is.

760
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,920
Or I mean, you know, you know,
like, and I get it, like every

761
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,640
skill levels are different, but
it's sometimes you have someone,

762
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,320
you give them an opportunity and
maybe they're struggling a bit.

763
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,280
And instead of like in in my
world, it'd be like, OK,

764
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,920
everybody, we're not going to
like pile on that person and

765
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,520
make that person feel shitty
about not knowing what they're

766
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,040
doing.
We're going to take that person

767
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,160
and make them, you know, great
and make them part of our team.

768
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,960
And I've, I've done that over
the years, you know, like I

769
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,720
think that people, if you give
people the opportunity in a

770
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,760
positive way and you help get
them there, you can hire a list,

771
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,840
you can hire the A list people
across the board and get lucky.

772
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,000
And you're like, OK, I got a
list people.

773
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,520
I don't even think about all
these people.

774
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,040
But that doesn't happen anymore.
A&B&C and people, you know, as

775
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,520
far as just their like level of,
you know, their touring level,

776
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,360
like in their experience, I
guess.

777
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,160
And so like it's, it's fine to
run a tour with all A's if you

778
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,240
have the money and, and, and the
ability and you're got lucky and

779
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:30,440
they're, you don't have any
problems.

780
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,240
But to make a tour successful,
you take the people that are in

781
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:37,400
this B&C level and move them the
A and the A take those B&C and

782
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,560
they move, they get them there.
That's what touring should be

783
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,640
about.
It should be about like, OK,

784
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,400
we're all going to like take
this person and like make them

785
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,920
better at this job and make
them, you know, instead of like

786
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,120
the beat down, which you know,
I'm sure that you've seen like

787
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,960
just if someone's just
struggling a little and

788
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400
sometimes people, not every
job's for everybody.

789
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,640
Like I've had to be like that
job's not for you.

790
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,600
We got to, we got to shuffle
that, you know, but if they're

791
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,880
happy to be here.
If you've got a people reacting

792
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,720
the way that you want them to,
to help the B, the C grow up,

793
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,240
then the B and the C they, they,
they're going to want to be

794
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,480
better.
You have someone that's beating

795
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,480
you down and being horrible.
And trust me, like I, I, I did.

796
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,320
I was only talking about to my
boss, the other literally just

797
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,400
now about a tour I needed one
week.

798
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,840
They just called me just to help
out for a week.

799
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,680
The crew chief, I mean,
horrible, just just horrible.

800
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040
And for me, I was like, there's
no need for that, you know,

801
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,280
making people cry, being nasty.
I was like, I just didn't.

802
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,360
And like, I was there for a
week.

803
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,280
So I kind of just, you know,
buttoned up did my job.

804
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,880
But I, I, I, you know, I had to
say something.

805
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,160
I was like, this isn't the right
behaviour.

806
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,560
But then out on another tour
like.

807
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,440
I don't, I don't know if that I
don't know, I don't know what,

808
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,160
how to fix that.
Like I've, I've had many

809
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,880
conversations, you know, like
there'll be times around like I

810
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,360
don't sit at home much, you
know, like I get like I pretty

811
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,560
much, you know, there's work out
there.

812
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,480
My problem with my with my
networking is that I've worked

813
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,040
for the same artist for a long
time.

814
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,800
So when that artist takes a
break, I have less networking

815
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,400
than people that are constantly,
you know, shuffling through

816
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,440
tours.
And so sometimes it takes me a

817
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,560
little bit while, a little while
to get like, hey, I'm available,

818
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,960
you know, because people are
always like, oh, she's with the

819
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,400
chicks, don't call her or
whatever, you know?

820
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,880
But I've seen people get offered
jobs where I'm just like, what?

821
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,440
What Huh.
You know, And I've seen them do

822
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,960
things that are awful and still
just go on from 1 tour to the

823
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,200
next.
And I don't really know how to

824
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,720
fix that.
I just try to do it within my

825
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,880
own system.
Like and I've, I've had, I've

826
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,320
had bad eggs, you know, and I
have not handled them, You know,

827
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,760
in hindsight, like get done with
a tour and go, man, I should

828
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,800
have, I should have fired that
person.

829
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,280
And like, instead we know we
tried to make it through because

830
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,440
my mentality is like, let's try
to let's uplift everybody.

831
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Let's try to fix it.
Let's try to get everyone on the

832
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,320
same page.
But in reality was I probably

833
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,720
should have just fired those
people.

834
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,480
And it's only happened a few
times in my career.

835
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,240
But you know, it's like, OK,
you're, you're not going to work

836
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,640
like we gotta get somebody else.
But it's awesome.

837
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,920
You know, we're all under
whatever role you've got.

838
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,400
You're under a lot of pressure.
You know, I'm, I'm, you know,

839
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,560
aware of that.
And sometimes the schedule can

840
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,360
be hectic.
It can be, you know, full on and

841
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,600
you've just got a travel day for
your rest day.

842
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,400
We know these these schedules
can happen.

843
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Sure.
But it still doesn't for me.

844
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,760
It doesn't excuse your behavior
if you're then nasty like it

845
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200
doesn't.
You know, for me, as soon as I

846
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,280
join a tour, this is what you'll
see for the whole time I'm away.

847
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,280
Doesn't matter if it's a week,
doesn't matter if it's two

848
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,080
months.
Could be four months really.

849
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,920
And if it means that when there
is a down time, I take my own

850
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,080
time.
I go for a walk.

851
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,760
I, I, I know you like walking.
I love.

852
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,800
Walking me too, I'll.
Search somewhere when we arrive

853
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,520
in a city, it could be a
catching a 30 minute train ride

854
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,040
out.
There's a park somewhere I'll go

855
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,800
to nature to to draw myself back
in.

856
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,480
And for me that then makes me a
better person for doing that,

857
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,800
you know, the next day.
But yes, we're tired sometimes.

858
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,800
I don't know.
Everybody's tired and everybody

859
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,840
you don't know what people are
going through, you know, like

860
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,280
and sometimes just a check in,
like hey, what's up buddy?

861
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,400
I noticed, you know, you got a
frown, like let's turn that

862
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,240
upside down or whatever, you
know, trying to be dorky with it

863
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,400
or whatever.
But like, you know, like there's

864
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,240
times you just need to check in
with your people, like what's

865
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,680
up, You know, what do you got
going on?

866
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,800
You have something going on.
Oh well man, you know, wife's

867
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,400
this or that or my dog was put
down.

868
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,040
You know that you never know
what people are going through,

869
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,000
So you have to give people the
benefit of the doubt.

870
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,040
I do believe that, but sometimes
you know that once that doubt

871
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,480
is.
I've, I've always remember and

872
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,480
I've told this story before, but
you know, someone came in and

873
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,120
they were really just so
horrible.

874
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,120
And I was like, first of all,
the first reaction is to react

875
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,040
to the horribleness.
Yeah, be like, no.

876
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,240
Yeah, just just just hold back.
And then I did, went up and

877
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,360
spoke to them.
And I try and do that if I am

878
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:32,000
ever on a tour, talk to people,
you know, and say, are you OK?

879
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,960
Or you know, whatever, whatever
it might be.

880
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,320
Because I think talking now has
really helped, like really,

881
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,640
really helped.
And I often get because I'm, I'm

882
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,200
now I'm based remotely, but I'll
actually get quite a few people

883
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,480
from friends on tours that will
call me and just say, oh, I just

884
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,040
need to, I just need to.
Talk.

885
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,320
I just need a minute to vent and
you know, like, yeah, I know

886
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,120
because.
You know there is.

887
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,400
In fact, you probably know this
better.

888
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,120
Someone had told me and that
Marty Holm actually on when he

889
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,920
can, he would actually put a
therapist on tour.

890
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,520
Is that true or is that just a
rumor?

891
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,280
It is there is there is some
there's more outlets for that

892
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480
now.
I think that he has done that

893
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,040
hasn't on a tour that I have
been on with him.

894
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,440
But I'm not surprised that
that's happening nowadays in in

895
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,240
the bigger in in the bigger
tours.

896
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,960
I'm not surprised.
It's it's, you know, it's like,

897
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,160
you know, it's kind of needed,
like I, I could see where you

898
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
could, you could definitely have
someone come out and just be

899
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,160
like closed door.
They got a space.

900
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,240
You can go talk about things.
Our our industry doesn't, you

901
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,000
know, doesn't.
I don't want to say we don't

902
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,160
believe in it, but it's just
like the show must go on.

903
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Mentality is how we approach
everything.

904
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,960
And even though we're humans,
you know, like shits, other

905
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,040
shits happening in our lives,
but when we're on the road,

906
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,160
everyone just assumes it's just
Rd. stuff and when there could

907
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,680
be a whole whole other list of
things happening with somebody

908
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,320
that.
You know, well, I think in fact,

909
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,240
it's only just really come to
me, but I was, I used to say a

910
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,920
lot that I love the idea of, you
know, a therapist going on tour

911
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,680
and this that and the other.
But actually, I think you'd get

912
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,360
a lot of people that wouldn't
want to walk through that door

913
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,280
because of the.
Wouldn't want to be seen going

914
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,640
in there.
Yeah.

915
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,640
And so for me, you know, yes,
I've, I've kind of, I've always

916
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,280
thought what a great idea and
I've been an advocate for like,

917
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,040
wow, you know, more, more, more
tour managers get this done.

918
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,640
But actually having the
resources for people to go to

919
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,840
the hotel room to have a
somebody to talk to like the

920
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,440
like we're doing now.
Yeah, just a zoom, you know,

921
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,000
just.
Yeah.

922
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,360
And that goes through like Echo
live now.

923
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,880
They're doing lots of stuff
behind the scenes.

924
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,680
They're doing lots of stuff.
So, you know, there's there's

925
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,480
there's resources out there to
help people.

926
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Yeah, there's.
No, no, I mean, you bring up

927
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,360
good point.
I mean, it's something like, you

928
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,280
know, to think about for like
future tours, like is that

929
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,200
something, you know, we, we can
offer people?

930
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,080
I mean, you know what I like to
do, you know, safety, more

931
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,680
safety things like, you know,
offer ACPR class couple 1000

932
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,440
bucks.
But everybody is to come in and

933
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,760
learn CPR and you know, things
like that.

934
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,240
But you know, the mental, the
mental health side of it should

935
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,080
be thought of in the same way.
Like we all, you know, we all

936
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,320
need our own mental CPR out
there besides just the, you

937
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,800
know, going to the pub or
whatever, which is like for me,

938
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,960
that's I love, I love walking to
dive bars.

939
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,840
Like I find like the diviest.
I'm like, what if I have time?

940
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,440
I rarely have time.
My days off for me are usually

941
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,560
in my hotel room anyway.
But if I'm like, OK, I'm just

942
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,000
gonna get out.
Like that's my thing.

943
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,760
I like to go to, I like to find
the diviest of dive bars, like

944
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,560
borderline sketch, you know,
like that's just like my

945
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120
assistant.
And I love it just because it's

946
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
like something to do.
It's like your thing to go take

947
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,280
your walk, you know?
But I mean, nature's always

948
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,360
first choice.
But that's pretty rare that I

949
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,720
get time to like leave where I
maybe my phone didn't work or

950
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,680
something, you know?
Yeah, but.

951
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,960
A But a dive bar, that is
exactly what I would always look

952
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,320
for.
You know, something that's a

953
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,360
little bit quirky and not
anything fancy.

954
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,840
Scary but.
No, but just, you know, just a

955
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,760
really like something that you
might you wouldn't normally go

956
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,720
there or not normally go there,
but you say or the rest of the

957
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:25,720
tour, the crew aren't there.
But like, you know, maybe maybe

958
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:29,080
the one person that's like you,
that goes a little bit out the

959
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,560
way to find it and you're like,
OK, we're on the same page.

960
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,080
Yeah, the word was out a little
on my on my last one and that

961
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,720
people are like, where are you
going?

962
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:42,360
I'm like, no, I'm not.
You know who was a handful of

963
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,240
this ago?
Not that you didn't want to see

964
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,520
people, but sometimes you don't,
you know, like, and that's OK

965
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,680
too.
Like I tell people all the time,

966
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,320
like it's OK if you don't want
to go out on like if we do like

967
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,800
the group dinner or whatever,
like, dude, I get it.

968
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,920
Like go for a walk, you know,
get go get fob by yourself,

969
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,880
whatever, you know, tie whatever
you need.

970
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,240
You like I get if you don't want
to go out with the group because

971
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,840
going out with the group is
painful, you know, like where's

972
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,640
everybody want to go and how are
we paying?

973
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,800
And so but, but, but that is but
some people like that and that

974
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,240
helps them, you know, So I one
of the things I learned.

975
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,160
You know, I can do both.
I can go, I can be social, I can

976
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,920
be, you know, part of the group.
But then I also, like I said, I

977
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,000
also know when I just need my
like my own space.

978
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,560
But the last tour I did was with
Muse.

979
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,680
And it was funny that you, you
say that like.

980
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,600
So I used to, yeah, as I said,
look at where I could go and go

981
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,400
to little places that, yeah,
were off of the beaten track.

982
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,840
And by the time everybody, when
I came back, I was then telling

983
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,600
everybody what an amazing time I
had.

984
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,720
And everyone was like, oh, oh,
OK.

985
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,560
So then by the end of it, people
were they're like, can I come

986
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,720
with you?
Yeah.

987
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,000
When you're like, yeah, bring it
on.

988
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,920
Like we, we try to do, you know,
outings like, you know, like

989
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,760
let's run a couple SUV's and go
on a hike.

990
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,320
Or we did, we did fishing a lot
on the Chicks had a lot of

991
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,560
people like to fish.
And so we'd find, you know, the

992
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,840
drummer and I would get up
early, we'd go find a place to

993
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,160
go fishing and said, you know,
we did barbecues.

994
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,400
We did, we did that a lot on in
on the chicks because we they

995
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,160
like to get out too.
Like they'd be right out, you

996
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,720
know, right out in there.
And we toured with so many kids

997
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,280
back and there was nine of them,
nine kids at some point.

998
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,720
And so we did a lot of family
activity, a lot of baseball

999
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,720
games, a lot of, you know, they
went to the zoo all the time and

1000
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,440
everything.
But in general, I was, you know,

1001
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,880
one of the things Marni taught
me was, you know, you got to do

1002
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,800
that.
You got to do the events, You

1003
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,640
got to do the, the bowling, the
ping pong parties, the bowling

1004
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,920
parties out to dinner or
everyone's at the bar, you know,

1005
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,800
throw the credit card down, buy
some drinks or things that like,

1006
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,760
you know, just makes people feel
like you're they're thought of.

1007
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,440
And you know, it's like after
doing an event where like, I

1008
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,800
know for for me, I've noticed
like when we would do at events,

1009
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,120
like we did a lot of bowling
parties and I would draw names

1010
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,680
out of hats for the teams
because lighting would wanna be

1011
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,320
together.
Audio would wanna be together.

1012
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,560
And it's like, no, no, no, we're
mixing it up cuz.

1013
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,800
And I would make the chicks were
great about that cuz I'd make

1014
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,120
them just be on a random with
the lighting or whoever.

1015
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,600
And they're like, yeah, who are
we on with today?

1016
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,920
And they got and they loved it.
They asked that, you know, the

1017
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,560
next day they're, you know,
waving out, they're talking to

1018
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,120
their people and talking shit
because somebody won, you know,

1019
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,360
like that whole thing and the
whole next day like that for

1020
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,520
actually for weeks after that,
like them getting to know their

1021
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,000
people that are out there with
them busting their ass like was

1022
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,080
important and they loved it and
they still love it.

1023
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,680
You know, like we, we've done
ping.

1024
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,120
We did a ping pong tournament
where, you know, Marty was

1025
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,920
slamming it with the stage
manager, you know, to win the

1026
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,320
money for, you know, the, for
the, you know, we had a pot of

1027
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,720
who would win and things like
that.

1028
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,120
And, you know, talking shit to
one another and just, you know,

1029
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,800
and that's, that's important And
and I don't think enough

1030
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,400
tourists do that.
I always try to do it.

1031
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,400
I try to save catering money.
Like, OK, if we didn't spend

1032
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,000
that catering money, let's take
that and go bowling or whatever.

1033
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Yeah, hard part about COVID.
It shopped, stopped all of that.

1034
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,280
We couldn't do those things and
it changed it totally changed

1035
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,080
the vibe of touring.
COVID did, but when it came to.

1036
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Is it, do you feel that it's
now?

1037
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,840
I mean, I, I haven't been on a
tour, OK, last last year for a

1038
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,360
week doesn't, doesn't count.
But I haven't been on tour since

1039
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,440
before COVID.
So in fact, my, which again made

1040
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,680
me laugh because the tour I was
due to go on and I was leaving,

1041
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,560
I don't know, two days before I
got the cancellation.

1042
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,440
It was actually Avril Lavigne.
So oh.

1043
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,400
OK.
Yeah.

1044
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,400
So it was actually so that the
one I saw that you're now tour

1045
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,920
manager for that.
So I haven't worked in the in

1046
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,680
the industry touring since
COVID.

1047
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,760
So I don't know how much it's
changed or how much people have

1048
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,800
wanted change when they came
back.

1049
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,120
And has it gone back to normal
like let's say normal like?

1050
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,520
You know, taking last year off
what it probably would have been

1051
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,640
the first year of like really
seeing how normal it might have

1052
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:09,400
went back to 22 and 23 was, you
know, when we really got out

1053
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,960
there, it was totally different.
I mean, well, did you know, just

1054
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440
dealing with the COVID and the
masks and the six foot and the

1055
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:20,760
testing every day and being the
person, you know, that had to

1056
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,880
deal with that, like had to
like, OK, someone's positive,

1057
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,400
OK, how do we adjust that?
You know, we had there's a lot

1058
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,760
of different protocols.
Some people had the same, some

1059
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,160
people, you know, it was
different.

1060
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Some people didn't care about
protocols, but you're still

1061
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,680
dealing with people's health.
So you had to take it.

1062
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,880
You had to take it seriously.
Last the last, the year after

1063
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,440
that when it was less COVID, but
it was still kind of around was

1064
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,320
still challenging.
But I think for me that the the

1065
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,320
biggest part is we lost so many
people.

1066
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,440
We lost a lot of people that
like we're at home going, oh

1067
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,680
shit, I can go to that BBQ or
that graduation and you know,

1068
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,600
went to Costco, went to Amazon,
whatever it may be, or found a

1069
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,480
local, you know, might have got
lucky and found a local theater

1070
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,680
gig or something.
We lost a lot of really good

1071
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,120
people to call to go to work.
So that for me that was the

1072
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,000
hardest part.
Like there was a lot of influx

1073
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,600
of a lot of younger that maybe
didn't have the experience and

1074
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,000
then you're dealing with COVID
at the same time.

1075
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,720
So I didn't find it fun.
I in fact, I always come home

1076
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:23,160
and be like, I don't know if
this is for me anymore, but I

1077
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,000
think, you know, I think we're
getting, I think we're getting

1078
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,640
back there.
I think we're getting back too.

1079
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,720
And do you think the people that
you know stayed, let's say

1080
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,040
stayed home, got normal ish
jobs?

1081
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,240
Yeah.
Do you think they've still

1082
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,240
stayed away or do you think
slowly, slowly they?

1083
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,280
Yeah, I think, I mean, for the
ones that I know have, you know,

1084
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,840
occasionally they might want to
do like a, a shorter run or

1085
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,640
something.
But I think, I think, you know,

1086
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,120
I think most of them have and I
don't blame them.

1087
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,280
I mean, you know, like taking
the time off last year for

1088
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,440
myself and for my family, like
it's hard.

1089
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,360
Like I'm, you know, I'm
advancing everything now.

1090
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,680
It's hard to get in the office
and you're like, it's nice out

1091
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,040
and your dog's like, hey, what's
up?

1092
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,120
Are we going to hike today?
Like, Nah, shit.

1093
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,800
But yeah, it's, I think it's
getting better.

1094
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,600
I think we're getting, you know,
getting back to reality of like

1095
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,880
to our world.
We'll see.

1096
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,400
This year is my first one kind
of back when it's like where no

1097
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,120
one's even really worried about
COVID.

1098
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,280
You know, obviously I like, I
think people when people get

1099
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,840
sick on the road, they should
put a mask on.

1100
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,360
Like if you're sick, just put a
mask on.

1101
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Not like like hopefully now that
like wearing a mask isn't like

1102
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,640
as big of a like whatever it was
before.

1103
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,240
And people like if you're sick,
you know, don't go hang out with

1104
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,600
people and put your mask on and,
you know, don't spread it around

1105
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,360
even it doesn't even matter that
it's COVID.

1106
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,840
Like no one wants to get sick on
the road.

1107
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,240
That's the worst thing ever.
So I mean.

1108
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,800
One thing, you know, there'd be
so many times, yeah, people

1109
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,280
getting sick.
I mean, even now.

1110
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,200
I mean, I was really sick after
Christmas and the first first

1111
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,560
question, is it COVID?
And I, you know, I did a test,

1112
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,360
it wasn't, but I was sick.
So I.

1113
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,040
Stayed in around Christmas time
as well.

1114
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,880
Yeah, yeah.
It stuck around for three weeks.

1115
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

1116
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:09,080
It was one month to full
recovery, even 55 weeks full

1117
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,760
recovery from when I was sick, 2
weeks, my mind foggy, fever,

1118
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,880
everything.
But it wasn't COVID.

1119
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,400
So they were like, well, you can
you, you can go out.

1120
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,600
I was like, no, I'm not going to
give this.

1121
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,440
Yeah.
And then later on I saw people

1122
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,480
that were out and I was like,
what are you doing out?

1123
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,080
Right.
Yeah, it's.

1124
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,040
Not COVID, yeah, but it's some
other stinking virus, yeah.

1125
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,240
It's it's something else for
sure that you know, it's like

1126
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,480
COVID hybrid.
I I think it is out some of the

1127
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,280
you know, because I I have never
really gotten sick like I have

1128
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,720
and, you know, just for weeks at
a time.

1129
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,560
But but you know, that's another
thing about the road is like

1130
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,160
people get sick and people, you
know, we have to, you know, like

1131
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,240
adapt, adapt to like, OK, who's
going to cover them for that

1132
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,840
show tonight?
They should be allowed to go get

1133
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,840
on the bus and go to bed, you
know, or but you know, like we

1134
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,440
don't really, we're not
programmed to do that.

1135
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,800
And obviously certain positions
like can't, you know, if your

1136
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,040
automation guy probably don't,
you know, you might have a

1137
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,880
number two that can cover it and
you might not, you know, so

1138
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,720
that's the unfortunate part of
our business is that we don't,

1139
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,720
you know, we, we just it's go,
go, go show, show has to happen.

1140
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,360
And hopefully we're getting
hopefully one thing about COVID

1141
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,440
is hopefully that kind of
changed that view like it's if

1142
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,400
you're sick, put a mask on.
If you're like, dude, I need to,

1143
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,440
I just need to go to bed.
Can someone cover me tonight or

1144
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,920
I need to go to hotel tonight,
whatever.

1145
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,040
Like, that should be OK, you
know, like, like that should be

1146
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,040
not frowned upon, you know, But
yeah.

1147
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,640
I think.
I think it still is though,

1148
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,320
sadly.
It is and I and I get and I, you

1149
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,840
know, being like depending on
who the person is, because

1150
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,880
sometimes there might be that
one person on the road.

1151
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,400
You're like, OK, it's you.
I know it's happening, but you

1152
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,840
know, yeah.
But you know, overall, like the,

1153
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,600
I love what I do.
It's just there's definitely

1154
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,880
some some things with how we
deal with with people that I

1155
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,840
wish would be, you know,
reversed a little bit and

1156
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,160
changed around a little bit so.
I mean, what would you obviously

1157
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,920
you're doing now, you're doing a
lot of prep work.

1158
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,800
So you're going on to Avril
Lavigne this year, Yep.

1159
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,000
And is she is around Europe or
is it just stateside?

1160
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,960
Canada and states, she did a run
last year and so this is more of

1161
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:35,320
a bee market run and hitting
some more casinos and festivals,

1162
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,680
amphitheaters, this one so
someone else you know put

1163
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,600
essentially put this together
and there that tour managers not

1164
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,640
here anymore I know the
production manager well I've

1165
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,960
worked with him so he called me
and said hey their tour managers

1166
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,080
not coming back can you step in
so that's a little harder

1167
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,320
because I haven't been involved
in like the routing or you know

1168
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,520
like they kind of have their
system but I have to adapt to

1169
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,360
that but also bring them into my
system because.

1170
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,760
Some of the ways I I, I do
things, you know, I have to do

1171
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,240
it my way.
Like there's just, you know, if

1172
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,680
I'm going to be responsible for
things that has you also have to

1173
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,000
understand my way of doing it.
So this is a little bit a bit of

1174
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,520
a challenge of just getting not
they seem all seem very like

1175
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,440
nice people and everything.
It's just like, you know,

1176
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,040
there's a lot of stuff already
done that I would normally maybe

1177
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,080
would have had a little input on
to either change differently or

1178
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,120
done things a little
differently.

1179
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,680
But I was able to bring my Rd.
manager out that's been with me

1180
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,400
a long time.
And he he's like Wiz kid

1181
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,240
amazing.
Like he's better at like

1182
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,640
compute.
You know, we do everything on

1183
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,240
master tour and air table for
receipts and he's really great

1184
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,720
about getting all that stuff
lined up.

1185
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,760
So this one's a this one's a
little different, like we're

1186
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,280
doing more counting on this one
that I normally do.

1187
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:53,920
So every tour, every tour is
different.

1188
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,640
You just have to kind of look at
it and OK, how what is what

1189
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,000
needs to be covered here and
done.

1190
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,720
And, you know, but I was able to
bring my travel agent, which is

1191
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:07,080
huge, you know, that is that
that is a team that working on a

1192
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,720
tour without my travel agent is
not something I would probably

1193
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,360
even say yes to.
Quite frankly.

1194
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,200
It's like for me, it's a deal
breaker for me.

1195
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,840
I've tried it before and it's
not worked out.

1196
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,880
So for me, it's like I have, I'm
a travel agent.

1197
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,920
That's just part of my deal, you
know, Because they're my,

1198
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,720
they're my the key to.
Know what works, you know,

1199
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,840
you've had decades of
experience.

1200
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,520
So yeah, if you want this to
work, this is this is how it's

1201
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,640
going to be.
And you know, you've got to be

1202
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,000
firm in, in, in what you're
saying and also to make the rest

1203
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,240
of your role, which is massive,
like, you know, more sustainable

1204
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,440
for everything.
Taking your Rd. manager with

1205
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,240
you, You've got, you've got the
support.

1206
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,200
You know it's not without.
Without your support, the rest

1207
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,120
of the the rest of the crew is
not going to work.

1208
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Doesn't work, huh?
No, I know and you know, I

1209
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,000
think, you know, just like
little things like with my

1210
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,680
travel agent, you're not unless
absolutely.

1211
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,200
There's the planes totally full.
She knows.

1212
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,320
Don't put people in fucking
middle seats.

1213
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,480
Is it 20 bucks to put them in a
seat that's not a middle seat?

1214
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,200
I don't get the call anymore.
Can I buy this to move them?

1215
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Just do it unless I'm on
sometimes smaller tour, you

1216
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,240
know, if you're on a theater
tour, it's like our budget's

1217
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,840
tight.
We need to, you know, keep, you

1218
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,560
know, communicate with me about
cost more.

1219
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,640
But like if it's got a little
bit of budget and you're not

1220
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,280
over budget on things like I
don't need to hear about putting

1221
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,040
someone in a good seat.
Just put them in a good seat.

1222
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,640
You know, there are times when
you know, you just can't change

1223
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,240
that.
But like, those are the little

1224
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,880
things that I mean about like
worrying about your people that

1225
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,080
are important, you know, like
send them the flight.

1226
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,360
Hey, does this flight work for
you?

1227
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,560
Oh, yeah, that does.
I'm getting, I got my mother in

1228
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,120
law's thing.
I got, you know, or whatever.

1229
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,600
And I don't want to leave at
7:00 in the morning.

1230
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,120
No, like, is it the airline you
want to be on?

1231
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,080
Is it, you know, I think those
things are missed a lot.

1232
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,960
And those are like, I can't
control, like on this tour, I

1233
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,000
can't control some things that
are already set up because it's

1234
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,600
before me.
But I can't control like what

1235
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,400
seat you're going to be in, you
know, are you going to be fed

1236
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,280
properly?
Like, you know, are you going to

1237
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,280
be, you know?
That's like, well, that's,

1238
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,200
that's amazing.
It's a such a small thing, tiny

1239
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,400
thing.
It means it means loads because

1240
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,040
anybody that gets that middle
seat is then going to be grumpy

1241
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,720
for the rest of the day.
Yeah.

1242
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,560
Complain, get off the plane, be
grumpy.

1243
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,800
And whereas you get that middle
seat, you get the R seat and

1244
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,200
they're like, OK, they care
about me.

1245
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,240
Yeah, I have this drop down
menu.

1246
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,800
I send and like, please, please
put in all your info.

1247
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,800
It's, you know, it's a send over
travel agents.

1248
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,480
It tells us exactly where people
want to see it, all of their

1249
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,280
frequent flyer numbers,
everything.

1250
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,760
And I take that all very
seriously.

1251
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,840
That's what I've been sending
out this this last week, Like,

1252
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,200
hey, fill this out, fill this
out.

1253
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,560
And that's what Justin and I do.
And you know, and it is a lot of

1254
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,320
extra work for us to do those
things.

1255
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,040
It's a lot of extra work.
But and also like on Master

1256
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,520
tour, really putting in the
information, like really putting

1257
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,920
in all the details.
How far is the hotel from the

1258
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,480
gig?
You know, what are the hours for

1259
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:07,760
this?
And like really putting all

1260
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,680
those details in are important
because that's what, you know,

1261
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,920
I, I feel like I'm getting paid
to do.

1262
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,480
But you know, a lot of people
just like, oh, people feel that

1263
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,720
out for themselves, but we're
here.

1264
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,440
We're here to do that.
You know, we're not just here on

1265
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,000
the artist side.
You know, that's totally like

1266
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,080
you do whatever they say,
obviously, but you know, on the

1267
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,320
crew side of it, those little
things like, you know, wearing,

1268
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,560
oh, we're getting to the hotel
at 7:00 in the morning.

1269
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,600
Well, can we buy that room the
night before so people aren't

1270
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,920
sitting on a bus You.
Know we're just going to.

1271
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,880
Stay in the afternoon on a day
off.

1272
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,400
I mean, for me, that's been a
policy that I've, you know,

1273
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,760
sometimes on a tour, you just
can't make it work, man.

1274
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,560
And so you're like, OK, we're
going to leave at 3:00 in the

1275
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,960
morning and get the hotel at
noon and hope that we, you know,

1276
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,400
like can not be around.
But if you're lucky enough like

1277
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,200
this, this tour is generous that
way where we're able to like,

1278
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,320
you know, we're able to buy that
room the night before so that

1279
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,200
when you get there at 7:00 in
the morning, you just hand it a

1280
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,600
key and go up to your room.
Some people may sleep on a bus,

1281
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,200
but I don't know about you.
I'm going to get up.

1282
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,040
I want to get off the bus and.
Go to my room.

1283
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,160
You know I mean.
Again, I've been on amazing

1284
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,000
tours where that has happened
and then I've also been on other

1285
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,680
tours where I don't know, maybe
there wasn't the budget to do

1286
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,960
that, but like we would finish
the gig, check load out, you

1287
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,840
know, by 1:00 bus rolling the
journey is only three hours.

1288
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,760
Right.
And then we're at a truck stop,

1289
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,960
you know, all day, right?
And of course then that also

1290
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,400
made everybody was just going.
They were so mad.

1291
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,760
They were like, we'll drive us
into the, you know, drive us

1292
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,680
into the cities, dump us off, do
whatever.

1293
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,520
And then we got, you know,
there's so many things that made

1294
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,920
that talk, but in particular,
like people were were angry with

1295
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,720
that, you know?
Sure, like, you know, once in a

1296
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,440
while, you know, you might you
might have to do that.

1297
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,680
But like, so how I would look at
that situation is be like, OK,

1298
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,880
shit, we can't get into the
hotel or so let's let's do a

1299
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,200
parking lot party.
Let's tell the drivers, let's,

1300
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,040
you know, if you can like let's
BBQ some shit up.

1301
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,080
And you know, do you know, have
a little, you know, do like a

1302
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,120
parking lot party till 2 and
have the drivers come back at 3

1303
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,280
or 4, you know, like do
something to like mix that up or

1304
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,000
just tell people or just be
honest and be like, we can't get

1305
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,800
into the hotel till 3.
So, you know, but or just take

1306
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,120
people, drop them off and let
them take their backs to the

1307
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,440
lobby and let them go walk
around and get coffees and

1308
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,480
stuff, you know?
I think for most people on this

1309
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,840
particular tour, it was the fact
that it wasn't just once.

1310
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,080
It basically it was all the
time.

1311
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640
It was all the time, exactly and
that and.

1312
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,840
And.
That's that's but again.

1313
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,800
You get rubbish ones, you know,
Sometimes you win, sometimes you

1314
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,360
lose.
Yeah, and you know when and the

1315
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,520
thing about tours like that,
like if it's legit like this,

1316
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,840
just a smaller budget, it's a
smaller budget and that's just

1317
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,400
what it is.
But when you're on a tour and

1318
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,080
you're doing that, but then the
artist is cruising around in a

1319
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,000
Learjet everywhere and things
like that, you're just like, no,

1320
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,440
that's not, that's not right,
you know.

1321
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,480
So, you know, you have to be
fair.

1322
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,040
Everybody has to be fair.
Artist has to be fair to their

1323
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,960
people and we have to be fair to
them.

1324
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:03,920
And but those little things can
make or break, you know,

1325
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,080
somebody's time out there and,
and, and, and it's just

1326
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,560
important to do.
But I, I don't, and I don't

1327
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,200
really know how you teach people
that either.

1328
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,040
It's just you have to, you have
to want, you have to want to do

1329
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,760
that.
Go with that extra work.

1330
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,440
But for me, those people will
always want to work on my on,

1331
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,040
you know, they'll want to come
work with me and they'll want to

1332
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,440
work hard and they'll like when
you do have the occasional like

1333
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,480
we can't get out.
We know we can't get in that

1334
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,720
they'll be like, you take care
of us always.

1335
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,320
We'll just go to lunch.
Don't worry about it.

1336
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,520
And they won't be mad about it
because they know you think

1337
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,400
about that like I don't want my
people sitting on a bus.

1338
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,760
I've been on that tour where you
sit on the bus till 3:00 in the

1339
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:51,160
afternoon and you're like, what?
You know, in a parking lot, like

1340
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,560
in a mall.
And you're like, why aren't we

1341
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,880
at the fucking mall?
You know, or not even at a mall.

1342
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,480
You're just like you were
saying, like you're just like,

1343
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,200
why not just drop us off at a
mall?

1344
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,240
Like, let's go.
Somewhere.

1345
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,880
Let's go to the mall and walk
around something, you know, but

1346
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,480
that like, eh, no, no, that's
not, you know, let's not worry

1347
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,720
about them.
It's like that's not, that's not

1348
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,800
appropriate.
It's getting better.

1349
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,360
I do feel like it's getting
better, but there's a new

1350
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,640
generation coming in that has to
be taught.

1351
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,439
Like we have to figure out a way
to teach them how important

1352
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,840
those little things are for.
Yep.

1353
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,120
And I think that, I mean,
whoever, you know, whoever

1354
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,840
you're teaching, you know, I'm
sure that, you know, someone's

1355
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,960
there that you'll recommend for
jobs, I'm sure because under

1356
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,479
your guidance, they're also
going to have this amazing

1357
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,359
attitude that you have.
So, you know, you've had you.

1358
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,720
You, you know, you said your
first, first teacher, Marty

1359
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,960
Holm.
I mean, you couldn't get much

1360
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,000
better than that.
You know, the kind heart.

1361
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,359
I think he's the kindest man I
know.

1362
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:51,160
Like.
Yeah.

1363
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,640
Yeah, you know, he, I learned
every.

1364
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,760
And then, you know, having
Bonnie, Bonnie Raitt was an

1365
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:02,319
extreme, an amazing example of
an artist who cares about her

1366
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:05,439
people.
And, you know, there would be a

1367
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:06,800
new truck driver.
Some, you know, sometimes

1368
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,319
someone has swap out like truck
drivers got to go over here and

1369
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,359
do this.
And she'd be like, Hey, who's

1370
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,040
that guy?
You know, and I'd be like, oh,

1371
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,279
he's covering for, you know, for
Bill for a couple.

1372
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,080
And she'd be like, bring him in
the room.

1373
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,640
I want to know.
And then, you know, by the time,

1374
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,760
you know, she would know his his
wife's name and how many kids he

1375
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,479
has and his dogs and everything
and be like a next day waving at

1376
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,800
him and stuff.
And that was a, you know, not

1377
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,880
every obviously, that's really
rare.

1378
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,319
She was exceptional that way
where it really between like

1379
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,880
Marty teaching me and and
Bonnie, like it was like, oh,

1380
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,720
this the fundamentals of like,
oh, this is people are, you

1381
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,160
know, you're supposed to be
family.

1382
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,840
And then the big monster tours.
It's hard to be family, but you

1383
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,359
do have to still try to look at
it that way the best you can,

1384
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:49,399
you know?
You do.

1385
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:51,920
I mean, even, you know, any tour
that I've been on, you know, I

1386
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,440
class for those months, you
know, you're a family and to

1387
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:58,520
support each other.
Of course some people have

1388
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,320
little niggles, but the same
thing.

1389
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,320
You know, I've I've worked for
some nasty people and I've

1390
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,000
worked for some unbelievably
wonderful people that have have

1391
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,320
really taught me to be a better
person and better what I do.

1392
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,920
And you know, I bet that's what
that's in life in general for

1393
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,080
me.
You know, if someone's going to

1394
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,880
be nice with me, someone's going
to give me encouragement and

1395
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:25,880
guidance, anything, you know,
I'll do anything for you and I

1396
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,040
really will.
But I mean, apart from

1397
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:35,160
obviously, you know, has there
been a huge change in the role

1398
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,000
of a tour manager since, you
know, since you started to now,

1399
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,360
would you say there's a huge
change?

1400
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:41,640
Would you say?
Yeah.

1401
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,800
I don't know if there's a huge,
I mean, it's tough because I

1402
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,040
man, you know, I've been with
the same artist for so long and

1403
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,680
I'm able to really do what like
I don't really have to check in

1404
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,480
with anybody.
I just, you know, advancing

1405
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,080
things and doing budgeting and
things like that.

1406
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,720
Like I, they just, I, they know
that I like, I do my due

1407
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,880
diligence and if I'm making a
decision, it's been thought

1408
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:12,280
through and you know, it's like
I thought of all everything.

1409
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,400
So, you know, getting out there
with other people.

1410
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:23,960
I, I, I don't know, I think that
there's a way more on the

1411
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,040
accounting side.
I think there's more, you know,

1412
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,800
there's more of, of, of the, you
know, things being counted and,

1413
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,040
and, and just what we're
discussing, just like you like,

1414
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,200
well, why, why do you need to
that room the night before?

1415
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,320
You know, like, why like that
seems silly, Like why are you

1416
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,520
buying, you know, things like
that?

1417
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,720
I think that is that has
changed.

1418
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,680
Like there's more trying to
convince people why, why people

1419
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,640
need to be paid a certain wage
and why we.

1420
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,360
Have more under budget than
being the free flow of money

1421
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,560
that was years ago.
Yeah, I mean, you know, like I

1422
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,800
think every artist should see a
budget and look at them and

1423
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,120
understand them.
But also like, you know, if you,

1424
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,560
you know, you're on a you're
doing A10 truck tour, but maybe

1425
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:13,520
you should be A6 Truck Tour.
You know, like there seem, I do

1426
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,200
feel like there's more, there's
more push for production like

1427
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:20,000
everybody wants to have, you
know, you know, you got the

1428
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,040
Taylor Swift and the Beyoncé
obviously.

1429
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,720
But then when you're on like an
arena sized tour, like everybody

1430
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,440
wants to push for the bigger
production.

1431
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:31,400
And you know, really a lot of
times that's like not feasible.

1432
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,440
Like you should not be on A10
truck tour because trucks are

1433
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,000
200 grand plus by the time that
you know, when everything's done

1434
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,480
or you know, whatever it may be,
like give me another 1,000,000

1435
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:41,760
bucks in your pocket.
You know.

1436
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,040
So I feel like there's always
more of a push for production

1437
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,080
than like some artists need that
and some artists don't.

1438
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:55,400
And that that I feel is a little
harder to get crossed to artists

1439
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,520
like you don't really need, you
don't need all that stuff.

1440
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,400
You know, people don't, they
don't really care if they're

1441
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,160
going to Beyoncé and Taylor
Swift.

1442
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,560
They're expecting that shit.
Like that's why they're going to

1443
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,280
the stadium show cuz they got
the bells and whistles.

1444
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,640
But I think that that's been,
that seems to be a bit more of a

1445
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,120
challenge than it used to be.
But I think it's just just

1446
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:19,760
dealing with more accounting,
more on the accounting side.

1447
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,440
And like the, you know, costs
have went up a lot like from

1448
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:29,320
COVID, you can pretty much cross
the board 30% higher for

1449
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:35,240
everything, buses, trucks, you
know, cable ramps, like every

1450
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,320
little thing.
You can pretty much take your

1451
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:43,560
budget and from whatever it was
five years ago is 30 or 40%

1452
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:49,040
higher in general.
You know, so as an artist like

1453
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,640
that may mean you need to cut a
truck back.

1454
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,240
You need to, you know, like
maybe you need to be two trucks

1455
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,120
less because to make you maybe,
you know, you're making this

1456
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,880
amount of money back then would
get you a lot more, you know, so

1457
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,200
dealing with promoters is a
little different.

1458
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,360
They used to be these big deals,
like they just give you these

1459
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,440
big chunks of money.
They give you advances.

1460
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:14,680
That is not really how like it
depends on the artist you're

1461
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,920
with, but that's not really the
same anymore.

1462
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:22,880
Record companies don't have, you
know, as much of an influence,

1463
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,200
least with the artist I've been
with, like they're there, but

1464
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,080
they're not as much of A they
don't, you know, used to be

1465
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,120
record companies would pay for a
big chunk of like all your

1466
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,400
promotional tour and thing like
that, things like that.

1467
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,280
Now that's not as I don't find
that to be as easy, you know,

1468
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,600
easy to come by as as it used to
used to.

1469
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,760
They used to kind of front you
all this money so you could get

1470
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,880
out there and do more.
Now it's more of an on the

1471
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,240
artist or the promoter to give
you an advance for that.

1472
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,720
So it's kind of more accounting,
I feel.

1473
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,120
And then just, you know, I think
there's a lot of kids out there

1474
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,600
going to the school, the
programs and things and they

1475
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,400
come out on the road and then
it's like, dude, you can get

1476
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,200
some their schooling.
But you know, the 18 hour days

1477
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,600
and the back-to-back in the
grind is a thing.

1478
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,360
And that is something you cannot
teach somebody.

1479
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,400
So I do feel like there's a
younger group coming in that you

1480
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:20,440
have to you have to embrace
there because man, the younger

1481
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:22,720
generation is great with their
boundaries these days.

1482
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,520
Like I didn't have that shit
when I was their age, but

1483
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,400
sometimes the boundaries are go
a little too far.

1484
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,120
So you have to be like, well,
you still have you have

1485
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,360
boundaries, but you also need to
come out here and do a job that

1486
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,480
is specific.
You know, we're very specific.

1487
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,680
And that's the thing, you can
go, you can be taught, you can

1488
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,120
go to study everything, but it's
not the same as being on the

1489
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,560
road, living on that tour bus,
experiencing that lack of sleep,

1490
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:57,320
tiredness, knowing that you've
got another load in tomorrow

1491
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,680
after a load out today.
And you've just got to, you

1492
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,640
know, keep on lemon and ginger
shots always for me.

1493
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,360
Oh, yeah.
If I'm a big fan of those, I'll

1494
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,200
probably be doing those when we
get done here.

1495
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,720
Yeah, that's a big deal, yeah.
And.

1496
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,720
You know, that's the only thing
like feeding people proper meals

1497
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,200
and, you know, nutrition, you
know, like the, you know, just,

1498
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,160
you know, all of that, not just
pizza every night at the end of

1499
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,640
the night.
Maybe there's maybe it's

1500
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,760
something different.
You know, like those are all

1501
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:28,360
little things that can can be
adjusted to to make people feel,

1502
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,320
you know, bringing in a bringing
in a Taco truck instead of doing

1503
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,320
pizzas after show.
Like it's really not that much

1504
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,120
more money.
It's like maybe 300 bucks more

1505
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,040
to like be able to stay on a
Taco truck and get Taco, you

1506
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,120
know, whatever, bring ice cream
truck in for the day, little

1507
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,440
things like that.
But like, yeah, as far as

1508
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,600
changes like it, I feel like
it's more more of a money, more

1509
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,960
of a money motivated than it has
been in the past.

1510
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,520
Not saying that they wasted
money in the past, but now it's

1511
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,240
just everything, all the prices
are everything so elevated and

1512
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,400
pricing it makes it makes it
hard for the little things that

1513
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:03,680
you and I have been talking
about, the comforts for people.

1514
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,800
It makes it hard because those
are the first things that that

1515
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,640
everybody wants to go right.
Like that's.

1516
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,240
They're always going to be the
first thing to go.

1517
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,000
Payrolls a big number in a
budget and so they always want

1518
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,240
that to be less people doing
more jobs.

1519
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,080
And I'm all for like, sometimes
you need, there's a job you need

1520
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,800
to cover a couple of couple of
gigs, but you need to probably

1521
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,280
be paid for that too, you know,
cuz you're saving in hotel and

1522
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,760
saving per diem And you know,
but you know, that seemed to me

1523
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,080
there's more and more of that
more like we want this person to

1524
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,160
cover multiple jobs when really
that job should be to at least

1525
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:42,440
two people or three people.
That is probably more what I've

1526
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:45,240
noticed.
And scheduling, I mean, have you

1527
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,840
seen a change?
I mean, I remember like before

1528
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,160
COVID, you know, schedules were
just insane, you know, you know,

1529
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,120
4-4 days straight, five days
straight.

1530
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,680
And yeah, only recently, because
I do look at schedules of tours,

1531
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,600
you know, especially when I know
of friends on one and they seem

1532
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,320
to be a lot better.
But I, I don't know what, what

1533
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,160
do you think you know changing
it?

1534
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,080
I feel like every artist is
different.

1535
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:16,720
I have worked for, you know,
maybe like older I guess.

1536
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,440
And so they don't want to do the
three or four or five days in a

1537
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,280
row, just physically can't do
it.

1538
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,680
I do know that when being part
of the process, when routing is

1539
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,120
happening and being fortunate
enough as a tour manager,

1540
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,760
sometimes you're not involved in
that.

1541
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:36,280
You just get handed a routing.
I with the Chicks and some other

1542
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,240
artists, I've been involved in
that.

1543
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,160
And that's really helpful
because you can be like, you

1544
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,720
know, we cannot do that.
Run.

1545
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,600
It may say it's only 5 hours,
but it's actually 7 because I

1546
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,200
got to go around here, you know,
whatever, whatever that may be,

1547
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,240
being involved in that is, is,
is helpful.

1548
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:57,000
But I do know that especially
after COVID, the amount of

1549
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,560
buildings available, like if
you're doing amphitheater tour

1550
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,160
and you want to just do
amphitheaters, it's hard to get

1551
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:04,880
holds.
There's like 3 or 4 like we'd

1552
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,200
call them, just like you get the
first, you're the first one and

1553
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,800
you have the right to choose
that one.

1554
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,960
But then there's four or five
people behind you when you say

1555
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,560
no goes to the next artist and
they have the, the choice to go

1556
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:21,320
into that slot for that day.
And that is way more competitive

1557
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:28,320
than it ever has been.
And I, I do feel like the, I

1558
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,280
mean, is it crazy to you that
like, we don't have like,

1559
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,200
there's no like days off.
Like there's a day off, but like

1560
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,800
normal jobs, you have the
weekend off, but we don't have,

1561
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,000
we don't, you know, that's not
something anybody thinks about

1562
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,400
when they're rowdy and like when
they're like, oh, we need a day

1563
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,880
off here.
You know, like, and we had to do

1564
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,840
a little run in Australia and I
was just, I was like, we had to

1565
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,000
do it a certain way to get it to
fit in there.

1566
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,200
And I was just like, oh, that
means the crew's going to be

1567
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:53,760
doing these things.
And I just have to tell people

1568
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,920
like this little, this little
run is not fun.

1569
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,240
You know, we're just going to,
and sometimes that happens, but

1570
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,400
again, that doesn't happen a
lot.

1571
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,480
So they people put up with it.
But if it was like that was your

1572
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:05,840
grind all the time, you know it
wouldn't be fun.

1573
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,640
But I think, again, you know, if
you're well, OK, everyone's

1574
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,880
going to check out the schedule
before they accept it anyway.

1575
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,760
But you know, if if you're
saying, OK, hands up this what

1576
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:22,320
this one's not so good, but you
know, the next run is really

1577
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,880
going to be it's going to be
good, right?

1578
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,840
You know, and then you kind of
you, you, you can take it or you

1579
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,840
can leave it and same thing.
You know, I've I've in the past,

1580
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,760
I've accepted stuff and I've
gone this is a horrible one.

1581
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,960
But then the next run I've got
like, you know, maybe I was on

1582
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,240
advance before and you know,
that was just, that was awesome,

1583
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,440
you know?
So you, yeah, you, like we said

1584
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,680
before, win some, lose some.
And I.

1585
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,120
Just think four or five days in
a row, is this dangerous?

1586
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,400
I don't care how I, I mean, you
know, I know sometimes it has to

1587
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,080
be done and there's a bottom
line on a budget that you

1588
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,040
everybody's trying to get to
totally get it.

1589
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,360
And only way to get to that
number is to do shows.

1590
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,760
But four or five days in a row
for people that are, you know,

1591
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,880
back-to-back in the grind.
I just feel like, and we do it

1592
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,400
and you know, there's rarely
accidents and things, but I

1593
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,280
just, I just don't, I don't
think it's smart.

1594
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,120
I think it's like 3 days just
you can do three in a row,

1595
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,120
actually get your groove on in
the third day, you know, the

1596
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,400
second day.
Like if you're doing days, I

1597
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,560
work with the legendary artists
to do a lot of one show and then

1598
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,160
a day or two often those kind of
like, you don't ever get like

1599
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,440
it's like a show day off, show
day off, you know, like 2 days

1600
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:30,600
in a row is perfect.
You get like the little groove,

1601
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,520
but I love those.
Ones here.

1602
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,320
Days in a row they feel like
you're just asking for trouble.

1603
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,480
People just people need their
bodies need to recover their

1604
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,360
mental mental state needs to
recover.

1605
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,800
They need to sleep, you know,
eat a real meal, you know, all

1606
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,080
those things.
So.

1607
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,520
Yeah, there was a lady who came
on Cara Kemp.

1608
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,920
She does a lot of work for Echo
Live now.

1609
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,760
Oh yeah, I listen to some of her
her podcast.

1610
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,400
Yeah, she's lovely.
And, you know, she's, she's been

1611
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,720
touring for years.
And, you know, she came up with

1612
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,920
this idea of, you know,
basically like no pants day.

1613
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,480
So every week that she was on
tour, when she got home, she

1614
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:11,440
would have like a rest day.
You know, just people can come

1615
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:14,200
and see you, but I just need a
rest day, Right.

1616
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,720
And, you know, I say that to
everybody, you know, like, I

1617
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,880
love that, you know, if I ever
go back on tour again, you know,

1618
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,640
because again, you need that
rest.

1619
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:27,360
Yeah, you do.
And it's something that I, I

1620
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,040
even had, I dream a lot, but I
was like, if I ever go back out

1621
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,680
on tour and stuff, I really
would love to be that.

1622
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,320
I don't know if that sounds a
bit like, I'd love to, you know,

1623
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:42,400
put more awareness of things,
you know, wherever it might be,

1624
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,000
a little flyer of, you know,
behind the scenes and, you know,

1625
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,200
people that you know, that they
can reach out to.

1626
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:56,720
I think it's great to talk, it
is people to help them and I

1627
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,000
think it's becoming more and
more able for people to talk

1628
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,920
about stuff.
It is it is that that is that is

1629
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,680
a that is a good change that
that is happening in the

1630
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,480
industry.
Like I do feel like that is, you

1631
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,480
know, back back and you know,
the the suck it up days, walk it

1632
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:15,960
off days are are hopefully
behind us.

1633
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,640
There's still a little bit of
that out there, but you know.

1634
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,040
And I mean in your free time,
you're saying you, you love

1635
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,600
walking.
Yeah, I, I, yeah.

1636
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,520
I love walking.
I love, you know, like being the

1637
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,200
cities and just like putting my
headphones on and, you know,

1638
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,320
finding the dive bar that's
three or four miles away and

1639
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,080
just walking and checking out
or, you know, obviously I always

1640
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,560
prefer to be in nature, but that
is a harder thing to do.

1641
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,680
Yeah, but when you're home, like
that's, that's something, you

1642
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,440
know, if you're a Walker, you've
got where you live, you're

1643
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,760
beautiful.
I would get home from the road

1644
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,320
and I craved nature and I would
camp a lot.

1645
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,760
I would find myself leaving my
home and after being gone for

1646
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,400
three or four months and just go
to the woods.

1647
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,120
So I looked for quite a while
and I found that's why like I

1648
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,200
pretty, I live in the woods
essentially.

1649
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,520
And I mean, I have neighbors,
but they're not like right up on

1650
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,440
me, you know, like everybody's
got four or five acres,

1651
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,920
whatever.
And you know, now I'm now I'm

1652
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,440
when I come home, I'm in mid
nature.

1653
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:14,680
I'm you know, my Creek.
I have like, you know, I have a

1654
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,760
setting that's I still go out
and camp and hike and stuff, but

1655
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,360
at least now I have that nature
to come home to.

1656
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:25,000
I have these three massive cedar
trees and I just, you know, I

1657
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:26,240
really do hug him when I come
home.

1658
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,400
I was like, Oh my God, you know,
like the energy of like that

1659
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,680
tree, like I'm, you know, I'm
over grounding.

1660
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,520
And so, you know, we were to
retreat huggers at heart.

1661
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:39,120
But yeah, just to, you know
that, but you know, like on the

1662
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,920
road, like that should be part
of a thing.

1663
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,680
Like let's get out, do hiking
trips together, let's rent a

1664
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,400
van, let's have a runner come in
early and you know, you know,

1665
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,600
get out there and, and, and do
those things.

1666
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,480
Cuz if that's what you do at
home, you should be doing that

1667
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:54,760
on the road too.
Like if you, you know, you hike,

1668
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,720
like, you know, on a day off,
you should hike or, you know, if

1669
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,920
you like, if you like the dive
bar thing, go dive bar thing.

1670
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:02,920
If you like to play pool like do
that you know and you should,

1671
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,120
you should embrace those things
and not.

1672
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,120
If you like.
Caught up and just being in the

1673
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,560
hotel and what's that?
I said if you like watching TV,

1674
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,080
stay in your hotel and veg out
and watch TV like.

1675
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,080
And sometimes those are the best
days, which you're just like,

1676
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,800
you're tired.
You're just like, I'm just gonna

1677
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,960
keep watching this.
What's a $30 cheeseburger?

1678
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,680
Fuck it, let's go.
Just bring it.

1679
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,920
I don't want to go out, I just
want to watch.

1680
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,120
I want a bath, which I hate
baths by the way.

1681
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,960
I hate baths but I just always
want a bath so I run a bath.

1682
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,600
Well, yeah.
I hate it, why am I in it?

1683
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,000
It's a waste of water so I get
annoyed with myself.

1684
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,800
I love a bath, but hotels is
like depending on their hotel,

1685
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,400
you're like, I'm not getting in
that bathtub.

1686
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,320
You know, we all have those.
Some of them are disgusted.

1687
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,480
But then you look at the.
The hotel menu and you're like,

1688
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,280
Yep, $30.00, I don't care, I
don't care.

1689
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,280
Well, Uber, Uber eats has
changed all of that, right?

1690
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,560
Like Uber eats and post mates
and all that.

1691
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,000
Like now it's like, OK, you're
still paying an extra 10 bucks

1692
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,880
maybe, but at least it's not,
you know, the room service

1693
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,560
silliness that, you know, being
with artists in artist hotels.

1694
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:14,960
Like, you know, we, you burn a,
you'll burn a per diem and A and

1695
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,320
a breakfast, you know, and if
it's three, if you got three

1696
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,200
meals or two meals, you're
trying to do like you can burn

1697
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,360
through it.
So like having that option now

1698
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,600
is, is really nice.
Yeah.

1699
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,240
But you don't have.
It and as you know what what

1700
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,280
what I always like to ask this,
but what advice would you give

1701
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,520
to young women aspiring to enter
the music industry and one

1702
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,000
aspiring to be, you know, the
best tour manager that they can

1703
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,600
be?
I would say and women and just

1704
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,000
in general, like anybody, like,
I think, you know, for me,

1705
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,320
everybody's so literal now.
Like they want to, you know, I

1706
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,840
want to be a stage manager or
whatever it might be, you know,

1707
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,320
and, and that's what that's
that's as they focus on.

1708
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,600
And I think that like you have
to, for me, like I did all the

1709
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,080
jobs I have stayed push boxes.
I was like I said, I was

1710
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,160
rigging.
I'd work for a lighting company.

1711
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,840
I did running.
I did, you know, so many

1712
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,760
different jobs.
And that helped me understand

1713
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,960
like being in this position of
who I am now.

1714
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,520
Like I, I've done all those
jobs.

1715
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,560
I've done every one of them out
on the road except for maybe

1716
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,440
some video or something like the
new, you know, like the 3D shit

1717
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:27,200
and all that stuff.
I haven't done that stuff but or

1718
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,920
pyro never done pyro, but but
like the, you know, like I've

1719
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,880
done them all and I I see them.
I understand what needs to

1720
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,120
happen.
That helps me with my

1721
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:40,000
scheduling.
So I think just like embracing

1722
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,560
doing something that maybe you
may like.

1723
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,320
Why am I doing this job?
Like this job is not even

1724
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:47,960
something I'm remotely
interested in.

1725
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,520
Well, you don't may not even
know that you're, you know, I

1726
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,920
didn't necessarily know I was
interested in doing this.

1727
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,640
I thought I was going to do
video and, and you know, and it,

1728
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,560
and it switched for me.
So I think, you know, keeping an

1729
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,440
open mind and getting out there
and doing any job that comes up

1730
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:08,480
and doing it positively, being
positive, get your connections,

1731
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,040
like really embrace your
connections.

1732
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,600
Don't, don't, don't be afraid to
reach out to someone that you've

1733
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,280
worked with that might be, might
have mentioned an opportunity or

1734
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,480
might be working on a hey, just
letting you know, like I'm

1735
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,800
available, you know, like you
hear of anything, you never

1736
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,240
know, like a lot of times, you
know, I'll forget about somebody

1737
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,160
just because we meet so many
people.

1738
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,920
And a lot of times I'll forget
about somebody and then I'll be

1739
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,200
like, oh man, I need this person
to cover that, you know, I need

1740
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,800
a back line person or whatever
it might be.

1741
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,200
And then you'll just get that
random e-mail like, Hey, I'm

1742
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,040
available for work.
It's like, Oh well, actually,

1743
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,240
you know, so don't be afraid to
network your community and use

1744
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,400
your community, but also you
have to develop 1.

1745
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,720
So just get out there and you
know, work local gigs.

1746
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,960
A gig comes up where you're, you
know, maybe you're either doing

1747
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,360
catering or backstage or
something.

1748
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,280
That's not like you're not,
well, that's not what I want to

1749
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:01,880
do.
Like, well, you never like

1750
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,560
you're still gonna go out and do
that gig cuz yeah, that's how

1751
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:10,280
you learn the other gig.
And there isn't, I don't know,

1752
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,960
too many people that would just
be like, OK, here you're tour

1753
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,000
managing, you know, like
everybody wants to just start

1754
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,360
doing that And it's like, it
doesn't work like that.

1755
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:21,200
You might get if it does, like
Boy Lookout, because there's so

1756
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,080
many things to learn, but I
think just embracing the

1757
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,200
community, utilizing your
networks.

1758
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,520
Yeah, if that did happen, you
know, straight away, you know,

1759
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,960
someone that's come out from
nowhere is like tour managing

1760
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,600
generally.
I just get the feeling that it

1761
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,040
would never work out anyway.
No, I've seen, I've seen it.

1762
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,280
I mean, I've gotten a lot of
those calls, you know, like, can

1763
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,800
you come out like last minute?
You know, this isn't working out

1764
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,760
And and you know, that's
unfortunate because you I mean,

1765
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,760
like I said, I always want some.
I want everyone.

1766
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,160
If you really want to do this
shit, I want you to succeed.

1767
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,640
But you know, I think you got to
get out and you got it.

1768
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,360
You got it.
You got to do the grind a little

1769
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,600
and you have to network with
your people, keep your

1770
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,280
networking and and just be
positive out there.

1771
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,480
You know, just, you know, don't,
don't knock people down.

1772
01:30:07,480 --> 01:30:08,840
Don't you know?
See someone?

1773
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:09,960
Struggling.
Help them out there.

1774
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,440
Networking doesn't mean sucking
up and being horrible to others.

1775
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:17,480
Does not mean sucking up.
It means networking to me is

1776
01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:21,320
absolutely everyone on the tour
it or it's everyone in the in

1777
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,000
the in the venue.
It's the guy mopping the floors.

1778
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,200
It's the it's the, you know, at
times like I've introduced

1779
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,480
myself to the dude standing at
our door, you know, know, being

1780
01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:34,200
the security guy, like, hey, how
you doing?

1781
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,240
I'm I'm Mindy, I'm tour manager
today.

1782
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:37,200
You're going to see me coming to
go.

1783
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,280
And what's your name?
And like, the chicks give me

1784
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,120
shit about all the time.
They're like, what's that guy's

1785
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,680
name?
Like, Oh, well, that's you know,

1786
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,120
that's Steve.
That's so and so they're like,

1787
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,800
you know, do you know everyone
all the way?

1788
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,560
And I'm like, I probably do, you
know?

1789
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,280
But they're also going to be
standing there all day.

1790
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,320
They get they, they, they're
there from 7:00 in the morning.

1791
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,440
And yeah, you know, maybe
they'll have a break.

1792
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,080
Lucky if they get to catering.
Most times they won't be there

1793
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,000
in catering and you know, we'll
pass with a bottle of water, say

1794
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,200
look, I just picked that up or
you want to go next time, Do you

1795
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,760
want this?
It takes nothing.

1796
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,280
And you don't know if that
person might be like, no, that

1797
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,920
means that doesn't that that
little extra effort on your

1798
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,160
side, but you don't know if that
person might be good friends

1799
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,360
with someone over here that
needs, needs somebody like, you

1800
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,960
know what I met, I've met this
really nice person and they seem

1801
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,960
like they were a hustler here.
You know, let me get their

1802
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:26,600
number for you.
Like you just never know.

1803
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,160
And so like, I think you have to
consider like everyone is a

1804
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,240
network.
It's not just like sucking up to

1805
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:37,000
the production manager or like,
you know, well, I always suck up

1806
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,640
to the production coordinator
because that whoever is running

1807
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:44,360
that show is someone you got on
their good side because they can

1808
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:48,200
make or break your day.
I just love.

1809
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,480
That I'm just kidding.
I'm kind of kidding.

1810
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:53,040
But I mean, you know, that
person is just not someone you

1811
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,280
want to have on your bad side
because that's who's booking

1812
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,280
your flights and dealing with
your food and shit.

1813
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:02,840
So, you know, but I did that so
long.

1814
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,360
What's that?
And be nice to caterers.

1815
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,200
Yeah, caterers, caterers.
I mean, yeah, I've seen, I've

1816
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,600
seen people be really rude to
caterers or just just the

1817
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,360
treatment of caterers sometimes.
Like what?

1818
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:15,920
Why?
Why are we doing that to them?

1819
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,640
Like they're part part Everett,
they're part of the tour, you

1820
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,240
know, like that's a really
important part of the tour.

1821
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,000
And if they're not happy,
that's, you know, not good.

1822
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,440
So.
Yeah, I think it's more, I mean,

1823
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:30,520
I've had the I've seen this was
actually in America, it was one

1824
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,680
of the drivers and he came in
and was so rude to one of the

1825
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,000
natures.
I mean so rude.

1826
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,640
And next minute though, the
whole literally the crew that

1827
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,880
were in there in the room, they
were like, hey, dude, like why,

1828
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,360
why, why did you talk to them
like that?

1829
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,040
Like they all had this girl's
back, like all, all of them.

1830
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,160
And he was like, oh, yeah.
But but the way what he actually

1831
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,880
said was that he did actually
apologise to her.

1832
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,760
And if I remember correctly, he
was like, oh, I just thought you

1833
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,440
was local.
And I remember saying in the

1834
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:06,800
time, what does that matter if
I'm a local caterer?

1835
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,000
I didn't realise you was taught.
What does that matter?

1836
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,360
Yeah.
It means nothing and that's what

1837
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:13,800
I mean.
Like I think like it's when I

1838
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,360
say networking in your
community, like like that is

1839
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,040
everybody, you know, it's
respecting everybody's,

1840
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,240
everybody's helping, putting the
show on and there are people

1841
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,000
that are higher up.
It's like as far as what, what

1842
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,120
they're doing, but like
everybody is part of the

1843
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:32,520
community and don't be afraid to
just try any, any job, any

1844
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,520
experience is better than than
than nothing, you know, like.

1845
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,400
Well, I said last year, I just
hopped onto it was blink 182 for

1846
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,440
their last week in UK in the UK
and.

1847
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,520
That's where you met I.
Was in the dressing rooms, yeah.

1848
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:49,400
And bear in mind, I did 3 gigs,
but every single person on that

1849
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,280
tour was like, oh hi, you're
doing the dressing rooms.

1850
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,000
You're you're helping out here
and so nice.

1851
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,960
Yeah, like so nice.
And I was like wow, this is a

1852
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,800
really nice tour.
Obviously, yeah, question was on

1853
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,840
that, yeah.
Well, that's, I mean, that's one

1854
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,520
production coordinator not to
fuck with.

1855
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,000
Yeah, she's awesome.
She.

1856
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,280
Right, right at her job, you
know, calls it, you know, and,

1857
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,480
and I also, if I could also give
people advice as to, you know,

1858
01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:20,880
you're, you're, you're your
advocate for yourself and you

1859
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,720
have to, there are boundaries
that need to be set, of course,

1860
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:28,800
as we were discussing, but also
like your pay, your, you know,

1861
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,120
like the things, you know, like
there's just things that like

1862
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,880
you have to really stand up for
yourself about.

1863
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:42,680
And, and I, I, we, we're maybe
more now, like they now they're,

1864
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,880
they do that more.
But back in the day we were

1865
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,240
just, you know, you know, suck
it up and do it.

1866
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:53,040
And like, if like really know
your worth, know your worth,

1867
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:58,920
you, you, you know, you need to
know that what you bring is, you

1868
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,400
know, you got certain skills,
you bring certain energy, you

1869
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:05,720
bring and know that and don't
let anybody ever take that away

1870
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,000
from you and just stand up for
yourself.

1871
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,360
Like that's, that's that.
I see that all the time.

1872
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,360
You know, people don't don't
want to do that.

1873
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,040
And you have, you have to, you
have to stand up for yourself.

1874
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:22,760
I that's, that's, yeah, wise,
wise words spoken.

1875
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,600
Not always easy to do.
I'm not saying I've always done

1876
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,480
it.
I'm getting better at it.

1877
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,840
It's easier for me to say than
do like it with anybody.

1878
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,200
But it is something.
Put that in your head, you know,

1879
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,800
get out there and network.
Don't be afraid to use the

1880
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:43,000
network and, and, and be kind to
people with decency.

1881
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,160
And I do think if you can do
that, you'll continue.

1882
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,040
You can work.
You can work.

1883
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:53,160
I think that's, I mean, every
lady that I've had on here so

1884
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:57,560
far, you know, that's, that's
really been the biggest thing

1885
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,280
that ever.
All of them have said be kind,

1886
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,640
be kind and, and that's it kind
but firm.

1887
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,920
So you know, a lot of people
like be kind, be kind, but firm

1888
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:12,120
and be willing to get your hands
dirty in any situation and.

1889
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,240
And I think women have to
embrace each other more like we

1890
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,640
get out there and there's this
natural, I don't know what it is

1891
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,600
if I don't know what it is like
the kind of like the women can

1892
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,240
be worst.
They can be so mean to one

1893
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,960
another.
But women need to embrace each

1894
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:32,720
other more than than anything,
you know, like being being each

1895
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,360
other's advocates, you know,
like taking care of taking care

1896
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,120
of each other because we, you
know, we have obstacles out

1897
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:43,720
there that men just don't have.
And, you know, I've gotten too

1898
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,920
many arguments with with men
about that.

1899
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,160
And it's just like, you can be
the nicest man in the world.

1900
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,640
You still have no idea the
obstacles that we put up with

1901
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,880
just being women.
And so I think women need to be

1902
01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:00,160
especially kind to women and
really help and bring them in,

1903
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,800
bring them in, bring that,
bring, you know, support each

1904
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,760
other.
And again, I've I've worked with

1905
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:08,160
people that really have been
nasty to other women.

1906
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,760
Yeah.
You know, and the same thing and

1907
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:15,880
whether it's whether it's an
insecurity from their side, you

1908
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,440
know, seeing someone else come
into, you know, that possibly

1909
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:24,080
they could take their job at
whatever point or but really

1910
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:29,480
sabotaging feelings.
I've seen that, yes, I've lived

1911
01:37:29,480 --> 01:37:31,800
that on a tour for like a year
for somebody.

1912
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,520
And as someone I knew really
well and everything.

1913
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,720
And it was sad to see because
I'm just like, why are, why is

1914
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,160
that happening?
You know, it took me a while to

1915
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:41,440
kind of figure out why that was
and I and I, I, you know, I

1916
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:45,840
just, it was, it was a bummer to
see, but it helped me like I

1917
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,800
really had to take a good look
at myself.

1918
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,040
I was like, oh, I got to make
sure I am not doing doing that

1919
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:56,240
because you know, it just.
Made a particular lady and she

1920
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,800
really, I mean, I actually I've
never spoken to her since

1921
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,480
because of this, but it took a
long while.

1922
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,960
I mean, it was, it was a good,
it was the first leg of the

1923
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,200
tour.
So, you know, a good three

1924
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,960
months and we couldn't quite
understand why, what certain

1925
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,760
things were happening and
people's attitudes towards each

1926
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,120
other were really clashing.
Yeah.

1927
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,720
And it wasn't until the end of
the tour, this one, another

1928
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,960
particular lady, she came up to
me and she, she just happened to

1929
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,280
bring something up.
And I was like, like, you know,

1930
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:27,880
I never said that.
I never did that.

1931
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,160
Yeah.
And then she was like, hang on a

1932
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:31,720
minute.
And then all of a sudden, the

1933
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:37,200
jigsaw, it all came together and
this one central person, which

1934
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:42,440
sadly was a woman, was literally
sabotaging everybody else.

1935
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,720
Yeah, I've seen that.
And that's what I mean, I think.

1936
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,520
I've seen one again.
Yeah, I, I see women do that

1937
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,760
more, more often than not.
And that's what I mean.

1938
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,120
It's like that.
Like we can't do that to each

1939
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,760
other.
We just can't, you know, we have

1940
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,840
to it's.
Hard enough being on the road,

1941
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,760
it is with the hours, with
everything.

1942
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,840
You don't need to be self
doubting yourself in the job

1943
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,800
that you're meant to be doing,
right?

1944
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You know, whatever it is,
whether it's catering, lighting,

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you know, any, any position
within this tour, you've been

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hired to do this job.
I always say, you know, it's not

1947
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,680
brain surgery what we're doing,
you know, OK, take a precision.

1948
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It takes everything, but it
really isn't OK.

1949
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A lot there are.
I'm going to say this wrong now.

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It's not a life or death,
obviously safety is.

1951
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:35,800
But really just come together.
And if you can help somebody,

1952
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help them.
Don't deliberately watch them

1953
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make a mistake or guide them in
a direction that you know is

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going to be in a mistake.
Yeah.

1955
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,840
Yeah, and film it and then put
it on Instagram.

1956
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,440
Like when people you see people
doing that, you're like, why are

1957
01:39:50,440 --> 01:39:53,280
you filming that?
And like, maybe go give that

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01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,440
person a hand.
Like, why are you filming that?

1959
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:57,280
Like go over there and be like,
can I help you?

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01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,120
They're like struggling to get
something on their car or

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01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:00,520
whatever.
And look at this guy.

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Like what?
Yeah you doing?

1963
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:05,920
But I think that's society,
that's our society now.

1964
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And I think for younger people,
like, they need to realize like,

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it's better to stop filming and
start helping, you know, like,

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like, let's let's help each
other.

1967
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,680
Yep.
Well, I mean, if you have any.

1968
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,040
Do you have any other final
words of wisdom?

1969
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Not really.
I mean, that's funny.

1970
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I mean, no, I think I think we
covered a lot.

1971
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You know, could probably go on
and on, but I've had a good

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time, so thanks for having.
Me, Mindy, thank you so much for

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coming on.
Yeah, and let's keep in touch

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too, so.
Yeah, and hopefully one day our

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paths will cross.
Yeah, I hope so.

1976
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,760
Thank you, Mindy.
Thanks for having me.

1977
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:58,480
La La La La ladies, the ladies.
Now here's the leading ladies.

1978
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:05,280
But Geezers of Gear on tour,
maybe she got some stories to

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01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:09,760
share.
Now here's the leading ladies by

1980
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:16,320
the Geezers of Gear Rock star
ladies with some stories to

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01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:32,160
share because La La La La La La
La La la ladies.

1982
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:40,080
Yes, she's a high.
Now here's the.

1983
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Leading ladies by Kizers of Gear
Rockstar ladies for some stories

1984
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:53,880
to share.
Now here's the leading ladies by

1985
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:58,640
the Kizers of Gear on tour
ladies.

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She got some.