#302 - Heidi Casson - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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Hello and welcome to leading
Ladies with me, Sarah Burnie

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that really I say this all the
time, but I love that chat.

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Just now I spoke with Heidi and
this lady had contacted me after

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hearing a podcast with Cara Kemp
and said you know how much she

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had enjoyed listening to the
podcast.

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We had a few little emails back
and forth.

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I found a little bit more about
her and asked her if she would

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come on the podcast and two
weeks later, here we are.

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We've just finished our chat.
Incredible lady, great story.

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Heidi is a seasoned production
stage manager with a career

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spanning from theatre, live TV,
film and large scale

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productions.
From The Lion King and Celine

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Dion's Vegas residency to the
Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra

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Orchestra at Temple Square, she
thrives in high pressure live

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events.
Passionate about mentorship and

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mental health in the industry,
Heidi values adaptability,

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strong relationships and
kindness.

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She's also dedicated advocate
for Make a Wish Foundation and

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Stand Up to Cancer, inspired by
her son and her mum.

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Which that actually nearly
brought a tear to my eye just

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talking about, you know, cancers
and all the rest of it.

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She's currently preparing the
Tabernacle Choirs Boris Aries

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concert.
Heidi's been involved with the

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Tabernacle Choir for 20 years
now.

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So 20 years moving from, let's
say the high life of Las Vegas,

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moved to Salt Lake City, met her
husband, had two lovely children

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who are now 17 and 14.
Her motto which I love this love

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and kindness, that is why we are
here and it is so true.

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So please enjoy this latest
podcast with Heidi.

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Now here's the leading ladies by
Geezers of Gear on tour.

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Maybe she got some stories to
share.

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ladies with some stories to
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ladies.
Hello, Heidi, and welcome to

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Leading Ladies.
Hello.

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I am, I was just saying to you,
so I'm going to let our

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listeners know.
You actually contacted me.

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It was about two weeks ago now.
I think it was two weeks ago.

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And it was so lovely because I,
the podcast with Kara Kemp had

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just been uploaded and you sent
me an e-mail saying that you've

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like basically stumbled across
like the the podcast said how

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great it was and that you was
actually in Peru at the time,

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just finished a big gig, which
we're going to get to.

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And of course, we had a couple
of emails back and forth and I

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was like, would you like to come
on?

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And you was like, yes, so here
we are.

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Glad to be here.
Yeah, really.

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It's so, so so that for me was
such a surprise, you know,

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because normally I've been
connected with people, but for

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someone to reach out, you know,
just through finding the podcast

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and enjoying it and then wanting
to be on like, yeah, really,

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really good.
So please tell me like a little

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bit about you.
Where are you now?

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I always like to.
Salt Lake City, UT.

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Wonderful.
And you said it's, it's been

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quite a nice day today.
The sun is finally out, yes.

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Good, good, good.
And you've just finished.

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Well, you've just got back from
Peru, Lima, Peru working for the

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Tabernacle Choir and like, let's
start with that event.

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I I watched it on like the
YouTube.

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It looked incredible.
It was our fourth stop on a kind

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of a tour blitz and it was at
the national soccer stadium in

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in Lima.
And we started off about two

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years ago in Mexico.
The I've been with the

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Tabernacle Choir for about 20
years and they used to tour once

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every two years.
And when this management took

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over, they said let's try
something different.

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And they really, really meant
it.

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To take this large of a group
someplace twice a year or has

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been a huge challenge and it and
it's been exciting, but they've

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they haven't played outside like
they did in Lima in the history

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that I've known them to what was
33,000 plus people.

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Really, it sent just goose
pimples just like the, the, the

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vast size of it.
I mean really, I mean, how many,

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how many?
So let's let's, let's go back.

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So you've been working for them
for 20 years?

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Yeah, yeah.
How did how did you how did you

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get involved?
Where, where did you start with

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them?
How did you start with them?

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I was down in Las Vegas for the
first two years of Céline Dion

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show at Caesar's Palace and we
had good a great schedule, a

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fabulous schedule there.
And during one of the breaks

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somebody had me come up here and
stage manage just for the

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weekend.
And the relationship kind of

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grew from there.
And when I left working in Las

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Vegas, I took a full time job up
here and I've been their event

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manager and then their
production manager for 20 years.

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I was about 7 years as their
event event event coordinator

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and about 14 ish as their
production manager.

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So before this you hadn't where
was your where's home for you

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like?
It was Las, it was Las Vegas

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before that and then I, I was in
Los Angeles before Celine.

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Oh my goodness.
So really like a even just like

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a whole cultural shock coming
from like, you know, those

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especially Las Los Angeles and
Las Vegas.

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I mean, going from there to Salt
Lake City, like that just huge,

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you know.
And so obviously you, you fell

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in love with there, the heart.
You're, you know, where is now

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home.
You've got two children.

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Is that correct?
I did.

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I met my husband here too.
Oh, see.

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Amazing.
So, so you met your husband?

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Does he work for the choir as
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No, he works for the post
office.

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Oh wow.
Well, literally like, like, like

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this, mate.
Yeah, yeah, that.

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I mean again.
So you started working there,

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decided was it going to be like
a temporary thing?

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Not temporary, but you know.
I was really looking for a house

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job.
I, I got spoiled with Celine's

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show, you know, because I had
been heavily freelancing in Los

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Angeles and New York before
that.

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And it was right about the time
I was 30 and I just knew one day

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I'd wake up and want a house
job.

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And Celine's was temporary,
right?

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Despite the fact she played for
multiple years.

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And so when this opened up and I
could sit in one city for a

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while, I thought, let's see how
I would do.

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And I ended up really liking it.
And obviously I've stayed for 20

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years.
But I read yeah, the one place

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worked out well.
And so I'm so obviously going

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from, you know, this busy,
hectic, OK, Celine was a little

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bit sort of calmer, shall we
say, you know, more like time,

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time off as such in between but
before Celine, like where did

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your career start in, in, in
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Industry.
Theater.

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I just loved theater.
Yeah, I grew up in Florida and I

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just fell in love with theater.
I really fell in love with the

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live part of it.
So I I went to College in

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Pittsburgh and then I worked out
of New York for two few years

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and then of course got hooked on
touring.

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As we do, yeah.
That's what I really liked.

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That's what I liked.
And then when I got the chance

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to go to Lai, thought I might
like film.

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And there I kept up theater, but
I also fell in love with live

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TV.
There I I got into kind of the

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award show circuit and I loved
that.

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But again, always, you know,
back-to-back whether it's like

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really a hectic, hectic
lifestyle.

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Yeah, yeah.
And how did you like cope, you

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know, with that?
I always ask this question, you

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know, like looking after mental
health and like your well-being,

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like obviously you found a good
balance to, to, to sustain this

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lifestyle at the beginning.
Yeah, but it wasn't discussed

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back then.
I'm showing my age, but you

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know, it really wasn't.
I've had so many people like,

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you know, come on here now and
it's this is a new thing to talk

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about it like this is really a
new thing.

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And I'm happy that it is
because, you know, the IT used

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to be shunned upon, you know, if
you, if you was not not feeling

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so good or something was going
on and you didn't quite under

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even me, my, you know, my, my
moods.

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It's only been in the recent, I
don't know, five years or

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something that I've actually
understood myself more because I

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was talking about stuff.
And I think that just makes

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everybody better within the team
that you're working with.

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And so going back to the very
start and looking now, how would

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you see like the changes like
even in yourself or with cruise?

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Well, I was fortunate enough
back then that I worked for nice

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people.
And you know, when you when you

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find your people, you tend to
want to work for them again and

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again.
And I, I credit those

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friendships, some of which I
actually brought with me to Peru

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that that were lifelong.
Were they checked on you?

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They made sure you were OK.
And I look back and I don't

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think I would have been OK if it
wasn't for people like that.

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But by the time I had gotten to
Los Angeles, that was where,

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particularly on sets, self-care
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So I, you know, I thought I was
in heaven.

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One day on a set, I turned
around and somebody had ordered

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a masseuse.
I honestly thought back then it

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was an independent feature, but
I'm like, I've really made it.

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I, I can go over to, to the
massage table and, and spend my

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lunch getting my shoulders
worked on.

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And I thought that that was
great.

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And that really rolled into, I
mean, California really does

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know how to live.
You know, they take their time,

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they they take their time with
crew breaks and and they really

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cherish a lot of the crews,
which is again, why you continue

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to work for people.
But it really cumulate it it it

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peaked with me with Celine who's
it was incredibly protective of

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her crew that took very good
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You were taking care of all year
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You were valued.
We didn't necessarily have a

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counselor or anything, but there
were a few people, dancers that

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ran into some personal problems
and they left for a little bit.

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And she took care of them for
the variety of issues, you know?

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Yeah, she took care of them from
A-Z.

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She'd made sure that they had
what they needed and they

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returned to the workplace, you
know, and, and to this day, you

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see how indebted they were to
her and her organization for

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making sure they were OK.
One of the things about Las

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Vegas, and this struck me is
when I walked into Caesar's

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Palace in the in the crew area
because we we we were paid by

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her, but worked at Caesar's and
they were opening up the venue

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for the first time.
And when you walk through the

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employee area every so many feet
are pet were pamphlets and they

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were for alcohol is Anonymous
and gamblers Anonymous.

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And I never thought about that.
But when you work in one of

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those places, it does turn into
an issue for people.

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You're right.
The alcohol's there, the

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gambling's there, particularly a
lot of people in our crew and

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dancing wise, that's the best
money they made.

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They were homeowners for the
first time, so she just made

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sure that people were watched
and taken care of and valued.

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And it really changed my life
and my outlook on it because I

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think too, as crew, you just
have to keep going.

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The schedule is such that you
have to keep going that that was

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such an afterthought to us.
Yeah.

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And I think, I mean, it's you're
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that I've had on here that's
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And, you know, I like and that
is really I like her even more

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now.
Like, you know, like, yeah.

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Because even about, you know,
I've said many times on here

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they became a part or a time
where it was literally stadium

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back-to-back, get on a bus, load
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load in loud.
And I would turn down some jobs

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by looking at these schedules
and go, I can't like that.

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That's just crazy.
You know, that's just such a

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crazy schedule.
And then you hear on the flip

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side, like another tour that's
going out and they've got breaks

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in between and like, you know,
that's how you care for your

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crew, you know, so they have
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They give their best performance
coming out of it.

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And it's not just that you're, I
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that you are being looked after.
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too, when I arrived with her
because I, I got the job when I

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was on another play in Arizona.
So I called, I called back and

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and when her show first opened,
it was very Cirque, like Cirque

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du Soleil, like Franco Dragon,
who who directed the initial one

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came out of O.
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And I'm a very literal person.
And as much as I, I like Cirque

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du Soleil, I went, I don't know
if I can do that 52 weeks out of

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the year because it's very kind
of out there to me right was.

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It how were you on that?
It was.

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I was there for two years, but
she worked an average of about

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27 or 30 weeks out of the year.
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But we were employed for 52.
That's incredible.

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And so I went, I think this
might be too weird for me.

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So I called back to LA and a
couple of friends and the first

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one I connected with goes, I'm
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You're going to be more well
taken care of by this woman than

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you ever have in your life.
She is exactly what people say

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she is.
Her husband is the same way.

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Her organization is the same
way.

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You know, because I was kind of
tired.

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I was probably really burned
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I probably was categorically
burned out for the first time

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and he said if you need a break
from this grind in LA, this has

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fallen into your lap for a
reason.

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And so for the flight for the
whole year or the two years they

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were you based and you lived in
in Vegas or yeah, you were.

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How did you fight?
I mean, only because I went

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there with my husband for LDI
last year.

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And we were, we were there for
10 days of the LDI wasn't that

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long.
And my boss, Marcel, he was

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like, Sarah, 10 days is too
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And I said, but we've, you know,
we've never been before.

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Wow.
I mean, yeah, it's a lot of

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effort.
It's a lot of effort.

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I we, we didn't actually, we had
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goes on, on the slot machines,
but we got scared basically like

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it was all, it was too much.
I can't, I can't do all that.

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expense of it, that's just one

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thing.
I mean, we were like, OK, so

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we're not going to be drinking
or eating or doing anything.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it's got nothing but more

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expensive.
Crazy prices.

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I mean, really, I knew it was
going to be expensive, but not

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as expensive as, you know, just
for your average Starbucks,

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like, yeah, $1212.00 for a
double espresso.

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Like, really?
Yeah, yeah.

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And I bought my first house
about six or eight months there,

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which was lovely.
I, I really bought kind of

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cheap, but, but I got out before
the housing market bursts there

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and, and we got given kind of a
heads up from production that it

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was going to get bad.
So a lot of us got out of the

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housing thing like right in the
nick of time because it got it

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got bad there.
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And then that's why when you
said about, you know, giving out

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the leaflets, giving out this
because, you know, it is on tap.

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And if you are earning good
money, you know, and you do have

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those times off, I could quite
easily see that that becomes

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something that you do, you know,
if you haven't got anything

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that's going on.
In fact, it was, oh, I've

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forgotten her name.
Now.

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I always do this.
I need to make a list of all my

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names.
I had another lady on and she

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also was in Vegas for a long
time.

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And, you know, she said the same
thing.

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It was kind of like a bit of a
struggle because you're in that

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environment and, you know, she
didn't want to go out and drink.

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And yeah, I mean, look, you've
got very close.

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I mean, now I, I'd love to go
back because you've got so many

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walks around, just out, out an
hour's drive.

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You know, you've got some
fantastic walking.

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We love walking.
And if I went back again, then

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certainly I would like get a car
and like go further out rather

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than stay in Vegas.
But we needed also 10 days to

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see it all.
You know I.

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Could actually spend another 10
days there, You know, I didn't.

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We didn't do everything.
Yeah.

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But yeah, what would you say was
like you're as being your most

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challenging or rewarding
production that you've worked

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on, like from Celine to any, you
know, any of your productions

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that you've actually worked on?
I would say these tour stops

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between Mexico City and Lima,
and one of the reasons being is

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the shows are different.
You know, we call it a tour

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because it's going to go on
through 2026, but they're

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they're the the content of the
show is different that the

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headliners that sing in front of
the choir are different.

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So it it's very it's very
challenging.

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And when I actually went back
and watched Lima, I kind of got

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moved to tears because you're
just doing it.

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And then to see one of the drone
shots, I was like that.

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That was a lot of work that that
worked.

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It worked first of all.
So though that I think has been.

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The most challenging, I'm
grateful for the fact they've

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let us bring in a lot of vendors
to make it work because you

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know, they're, they're a funny
organization because they're

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huge, but they are very, they're
very template orientated, right?

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You have 360 singers, you have
80 musicians.

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And to, to take them out of that
comfort zone has been amazing.

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But we would not have been able
to do it without the vendors

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that we've used.
But even that 360 singers.

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Yeah, 360.
Yeah, and they're two, they're

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two chartered planes to get them
into a country and.

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I mean, so I want to, I want to
get back.

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I want to get into the.
So are they all from, I'm going

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to maybe sound stupid now, Are
they all from Salt Lake City or

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around the world?
Like, like they are, they can

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live 100 miles outside of Salt
Lake City and they are all

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volunteers in service to the
church.

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This is their music.
Yeah.

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So they, this is their.
And when we take them out of the

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country, that's usually their
vacation time.

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So they're.
Yeah, they're given

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accommodations and they're given
food money.

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But that's, that's what they
want to do.

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They can't go 100 miles.
So I think you can get almost to

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the border of like Idaho and
still do it.

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Still come in and do it.
And I mean audition.

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Why?
I mean, surely if you're a

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singer, like, you want to be
part of this.

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Yeah, You want to be part of
this.

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And so I mean, how often do you
have auditions or do you?

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Have like once a year and it's
and it's very, it's a very kind

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of strenuous, it's a big
audition process.

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And then if they get into it,
they go to what they call a

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choir school for three months,
which is one night of kind of

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what I call music theory.
And for instance, the other

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night, it's going on now.
They they were taught pieces

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that they'll perform in a few
months.

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They were kind of taught what
it's like to sing in each of the

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venues.
And then on the other night

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they're taught performance mode.
And since we do ATV show on top

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of everything else, 52 weeks out
of the year on Sunday mornings,

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they're taught how to sing on
camera without being a soloist.

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You know, they want to keep them
as sort of one unit.

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So they're taught to sing as a
choir, which is almost the

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antithesis of a lot of people
who sing, right, because you'll

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learn to be expressive.
And so they're, they're taught

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how to be camera ready for three
months.

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And at the end of that, they
have to take a test, a written

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test.
Yeah, it's hard.

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So now I don't understand like
to get, I mean, that that seems

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like a lot of ours.
So you don't want to be any, I

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mean, you don't want to be
driving however many hours to do

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this.
Like you, you really want to be

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close.
Like that's the first and

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foremost.
And if it is, you know,

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voluntary, you've also got your,
they've got their other job to

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come and do this as well, unless
they're secret and you know

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that, you know, that's it.
But like, that's just like the,

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the dedication to come into this
is, is is absolutely phenomenal.

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Yeah, and you have a fair amount
of them that are music teachers

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like my, my kids high school
music teacher and I found out

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after they started high school
is in the choir and and, and

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some of them move here to
audition for the choir.

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She was one of those that felt
like she could spend raising her

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kids and teaching and then being
in the choir at the same time.

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But this is what this is what I
was going to say Like you've,

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you know, you probably have got
people from around different

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states, but they've moved
closer.

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To people on.
This, you know, and found that

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they fell in love with it and
fell in love with, you know, the

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whole organization.
Do you have a lot of people that

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like the singers, like come and
go?

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Like, you know, maybe they do
one?

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A little bit, a little bit.
They can sing for up to 20 years

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or when they're 60.
They do ask them to retire at 60

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because I guess biologically
that's when your voice might not

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be as strong.
Yeah.

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Yep and the age like 18 to join
or is it?

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I believe it's 25.
I think it's 22 or 25.

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Yeah, yeah.
So again, by that stage, you've

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either been in a choir in your
state, wherever you really, you

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know, you this is like a dream.
You move, you come, and you're

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part of this incredible.
Yeah.

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Incredible quiet.
So this tour now, you started in

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Mexico.
Did you say New Mexico?

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You started Mexico City.
I love Mexico City.

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Yeah.
Absolutely love.

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It Started there.
And that was when?

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Last year.
Yes, last June.

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Last June, OK, So all the
preparations for all of that,

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getting everybody there
logistically, all the

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accommodation like, and how long
were you?

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So there's the the gig.
Do you have rehearsal days like

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you wouldn't do a normal tour or
are you there longer?

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Before, yeah, we rehearse
hopefully two days in the venue

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before time.
Again, it depends on their their

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headliners in Peru.
One of the challenging part was

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there was a lot more singers
than we've ever had.

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We had a family musical group
called Seca, a gentleman named

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Mauricio.
I mean, we had a lot of singers

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in that one.
Most of the time it's probably

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one or two that we have, so the
rehearsal time is a little bit

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shorter.
And they always sing in each of

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these cities.
One VIP concert that's not at

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your main venue in Mexico City.
We drove out to Toluca, Mexico

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and sang at a Catholic Church,
which was a fabulous, you know,

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we were invited by that church
to sing and it was amazing to

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do.
Unfortunately, these guys are so

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big, you know, going into a
smaller venue like that, you're

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in somebody else's, you know,
sanctuary.

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It went much better than I
thought it would.

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I I worry about piling in 300
people to that, but it ended up

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turning out very well.
Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, the as I've seen the
stadium in Lima, it just like

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00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:58,320
you said, the drone shots going
over and to be for you to be

447
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,160
there to feel it and they're
your friends and your family on

448
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,040
that stage.
Yeah, you.

449
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,880
Know and for 20 years for you to
to be doing it this long of

450
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,160
course you fell in love with
your husband you got 2 beautiful

451
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:18,840
kid children now and yeah
fantastic and you're next to the

452
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,720
next project.
Where are you going next year or

453
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,160
this year actually?
August is Buenos Aires.

454
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,600
Yeah.
So I mean, that's a real quick

455
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,040
turn around.
I know it's not in poor land,

456
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,960
but like, that is for what
you're doing.

457
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,680
And we leave in AI leave in
about two weeks to go down to

458
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,840
look at it with kind of all
parties marketing the venue.

459
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,400
And we've gotten a Music Hall.
We hope for VIP reception, which

460
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,160
is actually much easier than
going to a church, right?

461
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040
That's almost That's heaven sent
in the sense that it's

462
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,880
production ready.
Yep.

463
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,160
And so with that crew, you'll do
like a site, a site test, you

464
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,080
know, go around, do you have all
the hotels and everything ready

465
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,560
like that's already.
Yeah, I'm so thrilled I don't

466
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,800
have to book the Choirs hotel.
I just booked the crew because

467
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,280
the choir really takes over a
hotel.

468
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,240
It kind of invades it, you know,
in the sense that I do move the

469
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,400
crew out of the hotel with them
when I can.

470
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,480
Because a lot of times when
we're going to work they're

471
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,960
they're going to breakfast and
you can literally be on floor 15

472
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,680
and not get an elevator for 35
minutes.

473
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,720
There's a lot of them I've.
Been in that that kind of

474
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,880
situation as well where all the
escalate, you're like, come on,

475
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,760
I've got to get down, I've got
to leave time.

476
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Yeah, yeah.
And I can get some really

477
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,840
interesting phone calls from the
crew.

478
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,480
I'm stuck at floor 15.
I can't get to breakfast.

479
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,200
You know, it's hard.
It's hard.

480
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,960
And what?
Would you say, I mean, so after

481
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,360
this one, where where'd you go
after that next year?

482
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Where's next year's tours?
The next February, it's Brazil.

483
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,360
So they hope to.
Yeah, in San Paulo, which is,

484
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,040
I've been there before with a
couple of shows and I don't

485
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,440
know, I, I think between those
three countries, I think Brazil

486
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,040
may be the hardest.
Argentina has a lot of

487
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,400
logistics, government logistics.
Yes, Yep.

488
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,600
I've only ever sort of travelled
that way because I used to work

489
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,840
for Formula One.
So spending time in, yeah, So

490
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,600
spending time, you know, like,
yeah, Sao Paulo and that it was

491
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,480
always difficult.
Like really, it was always

492
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,480
difficult from the vending side,
from from everything there.

493
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:44,040
I mean, it was just everybody
would be like, yeah, incredible

494
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480
place.
And then I was fortunate to

495
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,040
travel around.
But yeah, I from my memory, you

496
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,840
know, just having, like I said,
the, the merchandise outside,

497
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,920
there was the rules, the
regulations, the backhanders.

498
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,280
You can't do that.
Then also people did steal loads

499
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,560
of stuff as well.
Like that was, you know, that

500
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,600
was a, a huge thing.
I mean, we had carjackings.

501
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Like really.
Yeah, it was, it was for sure it

502
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,520
was, I'm not sure, but he
literally came out of the the

503
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,600
racetrack and yeah, it was like
the the carjacking and I was

504
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,960
like, Oh my God.
Like just.

505
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600
And anyway, so yeah, there's
lots of things to take in,

506
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,080
especially when you've got a
crew that's visiting countries

507
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,640
as well.
I suppose it's with any tour,

508
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,760
you know, where you've got to be
respectful to different

509
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,560
cultures, different everything
as well.

510
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:44,160
But how does like the
volunteers, you say that like

511
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,440
they normally take their holiday
time to do it.

512
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Do you give them like a couple
of extra days to visit, like

513
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,720
around after the gig?
Or is it literally like fly in

514
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,920
and leave?
It's about five to seven days

515
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,480
for them and we take 320 singers
and there's 360 in the choir.

516
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,680
So you usually have people who
you know, are restricted on

517
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,320
vacation, but a lot of them know
that this is kind of a rarity,

518
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,200
this kind of blitz between now
and 2027.

519
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,840
So I did have one of them.
I, I believe it was when we went

520
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,480
to Manila, said that he took
some paid time off without pay

521
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,000
because he really wanted to go
sing there.

522
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,040
I would, yeah.
Yeah.

523
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,960
Like, really, if, if, if I had
this incredible voice, I'd be

524
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,840
moving over to you now to do
this audition.

525
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,040
But I don't.
Yeah, But if that's your

526
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,720
passion, you know, at the end of
the day, I always say this life

527
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,440
is for living.
It's not just about working.

528
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Life is for living.
And if this is your passion,

529
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,480
you're good at singing.
You have joined this incredible

530
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,080
choir and you get given the
opportunity to go to Manila, to

531
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,920
go to all these incredible
countries around the world once

532
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,520
a year, twice a year, then
you've got to do it.

533
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Yeah.
Like, you've just you've you've

534
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,640
you've got to do it.
And what about your, your kids?

535
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,280
Like do you, do you think that's
a question?

536
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,160
I don't.
I don't.

537
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,880
And my kids, oddly enough, still
want to go to their school

538
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,200
choirs after dragging them to
rehearsals for such a large part

539
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200
of their life.
I remember my son, when he was

540
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,480
five, made a drawing of a of a
choir loft and labeled it

541
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,720
tenors, basses, Sopranos like at
5.

542
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760
And I was like, so maybe you
shouldn't come to work with me

543
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,440
as much as you, you do You're,
you're, you seem to be very

544
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,200
versed on it.
But they, they really, they

545
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,360
still go, they're still belong.
And again, their choir teacher

546
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,680
who happens to be in the choir
is a big magnet.

547
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Kids really like to sing with
her.

548
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,360
They, they, they choose the
school to sing with her because

549
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,680
of her passion for choir music.
So they've kind of lucked out

550
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,840
that way that they still really
like it.

551
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,080
And I, I, I accredit a lot of
the teachers, they also see the

552
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
the current conductor and the
associate conductor of the

553
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Tabernacle Choir are a large
part of my longevity with them

554
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,320
because I do love their music.
I love their arranging of what

555
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,960
they do.
And they happen to also, you

556
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,960
know, in this world they are
rock stars, right?

557
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,920
You know, you Google Mac Wilberg
and he goes off the charts on

558
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,440
your Google in the land of choir
music, But they, they are also

559
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120
what, what, what has been so
good to both me and my family is

560
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,080
their kindness.
They're very kind to work for

561
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,560
and, and, and going from Celine
to them.

562
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,960
I, I, I really call myself very
lucky and to be able to, to show

563
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,480
my kids that that that's what
keeps you places.

564
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,080
That's what matters.
And and that's, that's what they

565
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,400
should be, you know, if it, it
scares me now, but my 17 year

566
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,760
old daughter is very interested
in doing this for a living.

567
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,960
So I go, oh, OK.
So she has started with her

568
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,040
school and she did her first 2
stadium concerts as a crew last

569
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,520
year.
Yeah.

570
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,480
So to be able to show her you
know you want to find a place

571
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920
where kindness is is is your
motivating factor.

572
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,920
That's then a good because you
can give the example of, you

573
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,840
know, being, let's say a lady in
the industry for one, you know,

574
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,880
but not just about being a lady,
about having the kindness.

575
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,159
And obviously your daughter for
the last 17 years has seen that

576
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,560
you've worked and heard that
you've worked for kind people.

577
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,239
But of course, it's not always
like that.

578
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,000
So going out into this, what
advice, what advice would you

579
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,120
give your daughter?
I normally say, what advice

580
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000
would you give, you know, the,
the younger Heidi, but you know,

581
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,199
what advice now would you give
your daughter going into this

582
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,400
industry and deciding, you know,
where she whether it's

583
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,239
production, like, yeah, what,
what, what does she, what is she

584
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,320
interested in?
I would say keep trying

585
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,800
everything.
You know, I and I think when we

586
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,360
get started and we know that's
our ticket and not losing that

587
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,760
ability to be able to help in
any way and, and, and to

588
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,840
gravitate to find your people,
find your people you're willing

589
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,280
to sit with for 52 weeks out of
the year doing a live TV show

590
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,120
and and anything else they want
that that those are the those

591
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,600
are really that matters.
It's the personal relationships.

592
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,360
She and I are and I, I could see
a lot of myself and her.

593
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,240
I was very shy and and I think I
probably would have ended up,

594
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,760
not that there's anything wrong
with it in a cubicle, but now

595
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,400
it's the people's interaction
that's meant the most to me.

596
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Yep, yeah.
And I suppose obviously on that

597
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,720
side of it, looking at it like,
you know, work for people that

598
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:46,360
are kind, but what would you
tell her if she had a negative

599
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,400
experience?
How would you explain to deal

600
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,800
with that?
I always tell her and any other

601
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,960
kids I've been able to talk to
throughout the years, you have

602
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,880
to rise above that and to have
longevity in the business, you

603
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200
have to be the person in the
room that people want to hang

604
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,440
out with, that they want to be
with, that they want to produce

605
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,360
a product with.
So if you have a jerk in the

606
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,560
room, you got to still keep
being yourself.

607
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,360
It, it isn't necessarily always
about being right or wrong.

608
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040
It's about being the positive
contributor to it.

609
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,720
If you are not who people want
to be in a room with for 18

610
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,920
hours a day, it's it's not going
to give you longevity.

611
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,120
It's not going to be happy for
you.

612
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,480
Yep, I think that's brilliant
advice because I also say the

613
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,120
same thing like, you know, I've
like over the years experienced,

614
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,320
you know, different scenarios,
situations that you know, I've

615
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,440
I've gone hmm, OK, But I like
the younger me probably would be

616
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,640
feisty.
And you know, what are you on

617
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,080
about now?
I'm like, OK, I'll just send you

618
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,200
peace.
I'll go back to my room and, you

619
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,920
know, cry, scream, whatever.
But I will, I will keep how I

620
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,440
want to be and how I want to be
is quite calm.

621
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,720
I want to make sure that
everybody's happy and what

622
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:05,600
they're doing.
Although I hate the word happy,

623
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,840
but you understand, like I want
everyone to like, you know, I

624
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,520
think happy.
The word happy for me is, is

625
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,000
there's more than happy.
It's not just happy.

626
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,960
It's.
Exactly.

627
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,880
But you know, especially when,
when we do have big challenges

628
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,640
and you know, we do, you know,
we in everything we do, we have

629
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,040
big challenges.
And it's about sticking together

630
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,920
as a group, as humans as well.
You know, it doesn't.

631
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,360
It's not whether you're a lady,
whether you're a man.

632
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680
It's being human and being kind
to everybody in my eyes.

633
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Yeah, yeah.
And I also find that the people

634
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,080
who really find that in life and
are the most successful, I've

635
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920
never been treated badly by
somebody who's been able to

636
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,360
figure that out, right?
Actors, directors, anybody who

637
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,960
has that always does value the
people around them.

638
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Yeah, in fact, it was when you
were saying about Celine, like

639
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,520
looking after like one of the
dancers.

640
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,720
I like it brought back a memory
of I, I fell very ill when I was

641
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:07,880
working in Formula One and I
basically I lost my balance and

642
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,440
I, I flew out and I was like,
oh, I really don't feel so good.

643
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,600
I don't feel so good.
Then anyway, I got into work and

644
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,640
I literally was walking down the
paddock, everyone's setting

645
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,480
everything up.
It's this is the crazy time.

646
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,960
This is like, you know, the pre
rigging and all the rest of it

647
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,320
and I just kept on like just
falling just just another.

648
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,880
So they sent me straight to the
medical centre.

649
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,880
I'm petrified of needles
everything anyway.

650
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,720
So of course that was traumatic
enough for me.

651
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,240
Anyway, Long story short, I got
taken to hospital and I had I

652
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,400
kind of what was it called now
anyway, I lost base of my

653
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,560
balance in my head and my body
was here and but it thought I

654
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,160
was over there.
I needed sick like serious

655
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,120
medical treatment.
Ron Dennis, at the time, that

656
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,280
was McLaren.
He found out that I was in

657
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,880
hospital and he was like, well,
what's she still doing here?

658
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,680
And they're like, well, she's in
some remote place in Germany.

659
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,600
Like we can't get her.
There's no airplane.

660
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,760
She can't travel on her own.
This, that, and the other.

661
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,360
Even my jet's there.
Get it back.

662
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,680
And I remember I was like, what?
And he literally flew his

663
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,040
private jet back from Germany to
England just for me to send me

664
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,280
to hospital in England where I
got treatment.

665
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,440
I was, I was probably sick for
two months.

666
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,000
Everything taken care of, still
got paid.

667
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Still he was making sure that I
was OK.

668
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,640
And for me, I was like, wow,
like, you know, no, no, none of

669
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,720
this like I'll claim on your
insurance or I've, you know, the

670
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,480
worry of not having any money to
pay my rent.

671
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080
He was like, you tell her not to
worry and tell her that her

672
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,160
job's here when she comes back.
Yeah.

673
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Like yeah, that makes all the
difference.

674
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,160
Really, you know, and, and in a
way, I mean, of course I had

675
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,480
interaction with him, but you
know, I still, you know, I

676
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,120
wasn't his best buddy, you know,
I wasn't like somebody.

677
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,000
I was, you know, a worker for
him.

678
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,520
But that is how I think, how I
like to be.

679
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,760
Obviously love to be treated
that way but from anybody you

680
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,440
know if I work in a corner shop
here?

681
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,320
You know, if you're treated with
kindness and respect, I'll do

682
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,800
anything.
Like really.

683
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,440
I if you call me at any time at
night, morning, whatever, I'll

684
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,640
do anything for you.
If you're a douchebag, yeah, I'm

685
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,880
less inclined.
I I won't, I won't be nasty,

686
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,080
but.
I I started to.

687
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Be like, oh I'm so sorry but.
Yeah, totally, totally.

688
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,160
You know, and I hope that other
people will would do the same

689
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,520
for me.
Yeah, you know.

690
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Because I'm, you know, like, I
like to think I'm nice and, and,

691
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,080
and, and, you know, that way,
but I think now talking about,

692
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,240
you know, people caring.
I was looking at tours today,

693
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,240
long story, but I was looking at
different tours today and I was

694
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,120
like, that's a really nice
schedule.

695
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Like, OK, it's not, not as nice
as a saline one or some other

696
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,600
ones, but I was like, wow, I
remember looking at a year ago

697
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,560
or something or two years and it
was like back-to-back to back.

698
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,280
Like I, I said.
And I was like, oh, how can you

699
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,320
do that?
And I was looking at these ones.

700
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,880
I was like, oh, that's nice.
You've got a travel day, you've

701
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,400
got a day off, You've OK, you've
got 2 back to backs there.

702
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,200
But keep strong.
You can do it.

703
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,840
There's a break in between this
and I really hope that more

704
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,000
artists and all, like everyone
involved in putting the tours

705
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,560
together, really are listening
to everybody now and making it

706
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
not so much about money.
I mean, I might be using that.

707
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,160
What do you, what do you think?
Do you think are you seeing

708
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,160
change in that?
I do.

709
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,240
I'd see as time goes by a much
better change.

710
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,280
I remember listening back in the
day.

711
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920
I had an assistant and this was
when I first got my union card

712
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,920
in theatre.
We're still friends today.

713
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,320
And it was a fluke thing.
We were in Pittsburgh.

714
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Her father was in DC, and he had
what they thought was a stroke.

715
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,880
And I told her at the time, you
need to get in your car and go.

716
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,960
And, you know, it's summer sock,
You're a new show every week.

717
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,560
And she said, you know, because
this is how you were trained

718
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,600
back then, but what are you
going to do?

719
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,080
And I said, I'm going to figure
it out, but your dad may not

720
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,400
live through the night.
And she really stuck by her

721
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,320
guns.
And he passed the next morning.

722
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,120
And I know through the years
that that's been incredibly hard

723
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,200
on her.
And I have never been able to

724
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,760
say I told you so.
But I promised myself then that

725
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,960
I would, if that ever happened,
I would really, really push

726
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,640
somebody to go and assure them
that their job would be OK.

727
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,880
I was probably still too young
to do that at the time, you

728
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,920
know, saying this is really
valuable.

729
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,600
And she did not get there to say
a really proper goodbye to him

730
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,840
by the time he'd pass.
And that still to me to this

731
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640
day, I mean, every time I talk
to her, even write the Christmas

732
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,800
card once a year, I know that
was such a life changing

733
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,680
experience for her.
So to see it evolve and even to

734
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,120
go to the choir, one of the
things that they take with them

735
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,080
is as an actual medical
committee.

736
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,160
And there are doctors with us on
each side of the stage, which is

737
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,800
very valuable.
They got, a lot of them got sick

738
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,080
in Mexico City and, and it was
incredibly hot in Peru.

739
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,240
And now to be able to have
somebody say, Hey, I don't feel

740
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:34,600
good.
And these people are also

741
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,640
volunteers.
And, and these were a lot of the

742
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,120
people that brought them back
from the pandemic because they

743
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,200
had a medical committee because
we went out like right away

744
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,640
because like, as you remember,
all, there was a choir in

745
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Seattle that had a lot of
deaths.

746
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,520
So they pulled the plug on, on
these guys.

747
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,400
And this, this committee has
it's, it's evolved.

748
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,920
And oddly enough, there was an
epidemiologist in the choir at

749
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,360
the time.
So they've been able to create

750
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,120
such an infrastructure of
knowing that they're OK and and

751
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,680
a lot of them are older, right?
So they're, they're, they're

752
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,560
above 15, they're out of the
country.

753
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,920
And it's, it's also settling for
their families.

754
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,440
You know, I'm going to, I'm
going to leave my wife or my

755
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,600
husband and they're going to go
on tour.

756
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,440
And I know they're really well
taken care of.

757
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,120
And I got into an accident in
Munich, Germany in 2015 on an

758
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,880
advance and I got a concussion
in a car.

759
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,520
And yeah, and we didn't have, we
got rear-ended and we didn't

760
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,880
have the doctor with us.
And I could still to this day

761
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,360
remember the tone in my
husband's voice as as I was

762
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,960
calling him from the ambulance.
And luckily I had a friend who

763
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,400
lived in Munich and I stayed
with her for the for the few

764
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,000
days.
But it's much different than

765
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,800
when he knows if I were to get
sick now in the middle of prove

766
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,240
that I just turned left and
there's a nurse or a doctor.

767
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,920
And it just offers a lot of
peace for not only the

768
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,920
performer, but for the people
when it's when it's staffed that

769
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,080
way or you have breaks.
You know, a lot of people on the

770
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,120
road now that I talked to they,
they have, they do, they do keep

771
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,040
a therapist, but you can do it
on the phone.

772
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,120
Yeah, right.
And that's what they do spend

773
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,120
their days off doing.
And I can remember there's a lot

774
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,440
of years I probably would have
benefited from, from, from a

775
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,840
travel day and an hour with
somebody on the phone.

776
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,800
I would have benefited immensely
from that.

777
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,440
Yeah, really.
I mean, there's, there's a lot

778
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,440
now.
Who is it?

779
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Marty Hong.
He actually has a like a, a

780
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,720
therapist on tour with him as
well, which I think is like

781
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,800
incredible.
In fact, that was Cara Cara Kemp

782
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,840
said that she she told me.
So it might not be.

783
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,440
I don't know if that's
completely true for all the

784
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,560
tours or whatever.
But like I've been saying this

785
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:49,440
on this podcast, like I think it
is a brilliant idea to have a

786
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:57,360
therapist on tour who can have
that tiny space to, for people

787
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:03,960
to come in to go, to let out all
your feelings, you know, because

788
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,880
it, it's really, it can be so
intense.

789
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,360
Something might be happening at
home, something might be, you

790
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,120
know, happening on I just, I
just setting everything up, you

791
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,920
know, something might have
happened and you're, you're

792
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,520
short tempered, you're tired,
you know, sadly as well.

793
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,880
I mean, I, for me, it's a big
thing is, you know, obviously

794
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,760
drinking's not so much, I don't
think as, as it was back in the

795
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,960
day, but you know, you'll go out
and drink and, you know, for me,

796
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:41,400
alcohol is a terrible thing to,
to, to work on.

797
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,240
I know it's a lot more stricter
now, but you know, you make your

798
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:50,080
sure wired, you know, it does,
you know, and I mean, the last

799
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,440
tour I did, which was before
Cove, yeah, it was before COVID.

800
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680
I was like, OK, I'm doing this
alcohol free, alcohol free job

801
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,920
free, everything free.
The best I'd ever felt.

802
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,280
Really.
The best, the best I'd ever

803
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,200
felt.
And in fact, even I've done it

804
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,320
again now I've, you know,
stopped drinking again for this

805
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,800
year.
Not that I used to drink loads,

806
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,480
but it just makes me a better
person.

807
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,800
Yeah, Yeah.
It's hard.

808
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,960
It's hard to wake up sometimes
the following morning,

809
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,400
particularly if you've got to go
to work.

810
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,840
Like, you know, I did, I mean
more so in my career with

811
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,120
Formula One.
I mean, you know, it was like,

812
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,040
make sure you get one hour's
sleep.

813
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Yeah, that's fine.
You know, go, go to work and,

814
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,000
and, and do it all and smile
and, and, and I did it.

815
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,240
I did it all.
I, I, I, you know, kept strong

816
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,600
and, you know, had that
lifestyle of travelling on a

817
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,920
plane, different countries here,
there that I was younger, you

818
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:51,240
know, I, I have even when, when
I talked to my boss Marcel, like

819
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,000
we both say, like you have a
couple of glasses of wine and

820
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,240
I'm like in the morning, my
head, I'm like, like, I just

821
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:03,720
don't like it anymore.
But having someone on tour that

822
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:09,320
can be, yeah, you're confident
in staff, I think is a wonderful

823
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600
idea.
Well, and I even remember when

824
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,800
you started to hit cities, they
give you a list of doctors

825
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,600
because that's the other thing
that we put off.

826
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Why do I have to go to the
dentist?

827
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640
I'll get my eyes checked when I
get home, that kind of stuff.

828
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,800
And I remember showing up in
Tucson with like a bad tooth,

829
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,240
like I needed a root canal.
And I remember like calling the

830
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,840
show with, with an ice pack on
my face.

831
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,280
But that was the time period
where the following morning I

832
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
woke up and I had all the
dentists within walking

833
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,000
distance.
And I, I went down and had it

834
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,240
dealt with immediately.
And by the next side, I was fine

835
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,440
because, you know, your tooth
goes bad like that.

836
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,120
And I remember just being so
grateful I didn't even have to

837
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,440
use the Yellow Pages.
It was right there for me.

838
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,560
People knew things like that
happened when you were on the

839
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,680
road and it was an easy thing to
fix.

840
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,720
And actually, it's something
that's very simple, you know, to

841
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,760
find, you know where it is.
I know, you know, a lot of my

842
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,200
production day sheets, you know,
it has, you know, it had all the

843
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,760
doctors, it had this because
like you said, you know, maybe

844
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,760
it happens overnight.
It could be literally at

845
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:12,920
midnight.
And you're like, I need an

846
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,000
emergency doctor.
I need an emergency this.

847
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960
And then OK, you're generally
you're in hotels that should

848
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,720
know this, but Peace of Mind.
And again, it shows that the

849
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,560
tour is caring for you, you
know, And so that's that, you

850
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,440
know, for me, I suppose, what
would be what would you say is

851
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,600
your like has been your biggest
challenge managing the choir,

852
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,360
especially of this size and
going to, you know, these

853
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,760
incredible global cities around
the world.

854
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,800
I would probably say because I'm
horrible with languages is that

855
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,760
I had to remind myself because I
was probably in my 30s when I

856
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,440
took some stuff to Brazil.
You really almost have to build

857
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,600
in the time to speak through an
interpreter.

858
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,800
And there's a lot of people who
know English, but when you're,

859
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,800
when you're doing an in like I'm
even thinking about Buenos

860
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,440
Aires.
And yes, you can get

861
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,080
interpreters.
Yes, they give us a budget for

862
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,920
interpreters, but it's the time,
it's actually the time to do a

863
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,800
production meeting.
And I'm horrible with

864
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,280
Portuguese.
I'm much better with Spanish.

865
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,560
But I literally also bought an
earpiece that if I have my phone

866
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,320
on my hand, it'll, it'll
translate in my ear what they're

867
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,520
saying.
So I don't have to wait for that

868
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,880
leg.
They speak to me in Spanish.

869
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,840
I understand it.
I only have to do half of it

870
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,520
back to them.
And that's yeah, it's been like

871
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,120
a game changer because it's just
the time and some of the people

872
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,360
we travel with, we have a
fabulous crew and a lot of them

873
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,600
do international projects and
some of them don't.

874
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,000
And you can see them spend the
1st 2 days ago.

875
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,000
This takes so long.
It takes so long.

876
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,640
So it's, it's been that and I
think it's humbling in a good

877
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,280
way.
You know, it just reminds me

878
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,800
that that the, that the world is
a huge place and to be able to

879
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,080
deal with these crews and of
course, they're all different

880
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,080
skill level.
And at the same time in Lima,

881
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,520
there was a few of them that
lived at the stadium.

882
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,120
They had hammocks underneath the
stage because I'm assuming it

883
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,240
was probably too long of a
commute and the stadium had

884
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,240
showers and they were just in
hammocks under the stage.

885
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,840
So it really just, it brings you
down to the reality that you

886
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,520
need to, to get it right and to
be patient, you know, But again,

887
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,000
going back to my own children,
they have not paid attention in

888
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,400
Spanish class.
And I said, you'll pay for this

889
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,880
one way or the other because I
was, my husband speaks Spanish.

890
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,040
He's the only one in the house
that does.

891
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,240
So it's it was one of those
things where I've had to always

892
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:37,920
reteach myself and it's a good
thing.

893
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,440
Yeah, that is a good thing.
I mean, look, I'm terrible.

894
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,640
I've been living here in Greece
and I, my language with, with,

895
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,680
with the Greek language, I'm
really, I struggle, like I

896
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,360
really struggle.
But my work is still English.

897
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,760
You know, most of my friends,
even though they're Greek, my

898
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,680
husband speaks English.
So I'm lazy to that, you know,

899
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,480
to that side of things.
But when you go travelling and

900
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,600
not even travelling, when you go
working and you need that

901
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,800
communication.
I completely understand what

902
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,840
you're saying with regards to
you're busy.

903
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,240
Your brain is and your mind is
already 10 steps ahead of what

904
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,840
you're you're doing next.
But you've got to explain this

905
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,120
scenario here.
So you say it and then you got

906
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:29,120
to wait and then you're like,
what's the, what's the, what app

907
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,200
do you use for the translator in
your ear?

908
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,640
I got it off Amazon.
There was a couple different,

909
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,280
different things.
Let me see if it's on.

910
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,400
Oh no, my phone's off.
If you search it on Amazon, they

911
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,960
come up with two really big ones
and it's just a Bluetooth piece

912
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,240
in your ear.
And they make one where you can

913
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,680
give it to somebody who speaks
Spanish and it'll do it both

914
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,840
ways for you.
So again, it cuts down the time.

915
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,440
But that is, I mean, now with
the AI, with everything like

916
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,560
you, there are so many apps and
incredible like yeah, functions

917
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:05,040
to actually get by.
Which sadly makes me is going to

918
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,680
make me even more lazier because
I'm now going to go out and get

919
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,400
this rather than, you know,
think I'm actually going to be

920
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,200
in Greek now.
Oh no, I'll tell you the second

921
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,480
I got that earpiece during pre
production I bailed on Duolingo

922
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,280
like I cancelled my
subscription.

923
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,480
I was doing so well on my dual
lingo, like really every day I

924
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,200
was getting.
I was really proud.

925
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,160
And then I went to Vegas, which
was last year December, and I

926
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,280
haven't done a single silly
lesson.

927
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,480
Since yeah, me too.
Me too.

928
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,680
And.
I'm like what is wrong with me

929
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,400
Like I'm all or nothing I.
Put everything.

930
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,960
Into something and then as soon
as I get out of that routine,

931
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,880
that's it.
Yeah.

932
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,520
It's like it's crazy.
In fact, even you know, I was

933
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,040
saying I love walking.
That for me is a really it, it

934
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,320
clears my mind.
I feel fresh.

935
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,640
I start the day with a walk.
And then even when I was on

936
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,320
tour, the last tour, I started
doing that, I'd, I'd look, OK,

937
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,840
we've got the day off or when we
arrive, you know, for like the

938
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,280
travel day into the work the
next day, I'd look and I'd be

939
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,760
like, I can walk there.
So I went out And then slowly,

940
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,360
slowly a few more people started
joining me because they kind of

941
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,480
knew that, oh, Sarah's going to
go for a walk.

942
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,560
So we went for a walk.
The best way to clear my mind to

943
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,160
think just crystal clear.
Well, I've had some issues like

944
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,360
here with cats and dogs and all
the rest of it.

945
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,440
I haven't walked really for the
last two weeks in my morning.

946
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,240
That's it.
And I'm like I said to my

947
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,120
husband this morning, I said,
I'm going out for a walk this

948
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,320
morning.
He said I need to and I went out

949
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,080
and I was like I love it.
I love it.

950
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,600
Why?
Why did I?

951
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Because it, it didn't fit into
my I was like an hour later.

952
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,640
So then it was like the beach
was busier.

953
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,880
And this has been like, Oh no, I
can't walk down, can't walk

954
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,200
down.
Yeah.

955
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,520
And I love to walk and I miss it
because you forget how it keeps

956
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,080
you going on a job, right, Or on
a site and then you come back

957
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,240
and it's the same way.
Like I last night, I just had to

958
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:09,760
walk around the block because I
hadn't been walking for days.

959
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,480
Yeah.
Yeah, it's and what would you

960
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,600
say?
So like going back to the choir,

961
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,600
like how would they prepare?
Like like, like I'm saying now I

962
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,840
need to go out to walk.
I need to go out and you know,

963
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,560
how did they prepare themselves
in every country?

964
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,360
Apart from that, you said you've
got the two rehearsal days.

965
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Normally if you can before, but
with that amount of people, you

966
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,840
know, do they do you, do you
meet up in the rooms?

967
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,640
Do you start singing?
Like how?

968
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,080
How are you keeping the?
They do that a lot and the

969
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,720
instrument, the orchestra does
it a fair amount.

970
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,520
And they are they, they are
required to do a medical form

971
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,680
before they leave and they are
required still to test COVID

972
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,480
before they get on a chartered
plane.

973
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,160
So they, they have kind of their
checklist to, to, to be able to

974
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,840
do.
And a lot of them, believe it or

975
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,680
not, we do have a fair amount of
Spanish speakers and a lot of

976
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,480
them are always willing to help
because they go out during the

977
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,520
day.
If we rehearse them, a lot of

978
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,240
times it's at night.
So they'll go like they went to

979
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:12,120
the market in Lima, they went
to, you know, another area for

980
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,800
shopping or like to look at the
catacombs.

981
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,440
So they really do band together
and make sure that they can also

982
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,440
do that as groups.
Which is again, you've got nice

983
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,000
little groups to do things, but
I could just imagine 300, well

984
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,320
nearly 400 of you like going
around the cities it.

985
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:35,000
Must be like when we did Europe,
we we use rocket cargo for all

986
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000
of our events, you know, which
is just they still are having

987
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,040
sent the logistic lady.
We were there in 2016 and

988
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,080
there'd been a fair amount of
terrorist attacks.

989
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,440
So by the time we got to
Brussels, the the logistics lady

990
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,120
said I'd like to come out and
watch the choir arrive.

991
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,240
She said, I, you hear it's, it's
12 to 14 buses.

992
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,800
She said I haven't seen this in
any of our stops.

993
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,120
So her and I went out to the
loading dock and they come

994
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,640
rolling in.
She got about to the third or

995
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,800
fourth bus with them unloading
and she goes, this, this is too

996
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,640
stressful.
I have to go back inside.

997
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,520
She goes, this is too
overwhelming.

998
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,880
And I went, you're the logistics
lady.

999
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,440
And she laughs.
She's like, I this is too many

1000
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,640
people.
So they're an event and a half.

1001
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,000
And I joke that when you move
them in a town that you can see

1002
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,000
them from the space station.
I mean, they're just a massive

1003
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,480
movement of people.
But that's what I mean, even I

1004
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,680
wasn't even thinking of, you
know, even getting from the air

1005
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,160
from the airport to the to the
hotel, you 12 buses.

1006
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,320
Yeah, yeah.
You you've got that just every

1007
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,680
and the queue to get your room.
Well, yeah, there must be AVIP

1008
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,200
service for.
They have they have it down to

1009
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,760
an art, but when it goes, when
it goes wrong, they had.

1010
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,160
We arrived in Atlanta during an
Atlanta Falcons game.

1011
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,520
And I'm sure for that logistics
team, it didn't dawn on them to

1012
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,800
cross reference, But I had
arrived earlier, their charters

1013
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:09,120
came in and the game was letting
out and Atlanta had lost to the

1014
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,280
Steelers.
And it was the streets were

1015
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
covered and the buses were,
there was a few that got stuck

1016
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,040
on a rounding of the block
before anybody would let them

1017
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,960
in.
So when it goes right, it goes

1018
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,600
right.
If there's any small curve in

1019
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,720
there, they, they, it gets to
be.

1020
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,120
But you know, again, going back
to the fact that they are

1021
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,920
volunteers, they do want to be
there.

1022
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,240
They're pretty good about it.
Pretty good about it.

1023
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,720
Being, yeah, being the
volunteer.

1024
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,200
I mean, what's the average age
of your choir?

1025
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,280
I would say probably between 30
and 40, like more, yeah.

1026
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,960
Yeah, so, so it's so it's young.
So, you know, they, they can and

1027
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,120
the average like how long would
say, yeah, someone that comes in

1028
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,760
at the age of 30, how like how
long would they stay with the

1029
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,880
choir until they're 60 or not?
Because just their 20 years,

1030
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,160
most of them do hit their 20
years and you can, you can

1031
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,400
actually hit 10 and, and say I'm
going to resign or I'm going to

1032
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,360
retire from the choir.
And if you want to come back to

1033
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,560
finish your 10, say in your 50s,
you can come back and re

1034
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,560
audition and then finish off
that time block if you want to.

1035
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,280
That's really cool.
What a what a great way to do

1036
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:19,960
it.
So you.

1037
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:26,120
Yeah, that's really good.
And I mean, obviously with like,

1038
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,760
like the faith side of things, I
mean, what role does faith in

1039
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,440
the choir, the mission and the
performances like, you know,

1040
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,280
does that.
Yeah.

1041
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,040
What, what, what, what?
I think it's a.

1042
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,040
It's the main, it really is the
main focus because for, for

1043
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,760
them, I always describe them as
as kind of a really good

1044
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,440
billboard, right?
Because because there's they're

1045
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,760
just giving you the gift of
music because and, and these

1046
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,520
concerts that we're doing, they
are free.

1047
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,240
They're free too.
Members of the church, non

1048
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,200
members of the church.
We don't charge for the tickets.

1049
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,280
So it's, it's a, it's a musical
gift which they take, they take

1050
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,320
a lot of, I don't know if I want
to say pride.

1051
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,040
And they value that.
That's that's a purpose for them

1052
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,760
to be able to sing to people
who, you know, we have people

1053
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,200
coming into Lima who'd spent 24
hours riding on a bus to see

1054
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,360
this choir, you know?
And that was, but that was free.

1055
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't, I didn't know that.

1056
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,720
So how?
OK, so this is another question

1057
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:33,440
then how do you, oh, how do, how
do I put this?

1058
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,160
How do you get a ticket?
That's how do you get a ticket,

1059
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,520
But then how do you stop other
people from selling the ticket

1060
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,480
because everyone wants.
A ticket most of the time, like

1061
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,000
Salt Lake City, because we also
do a Christmas concert every

1062
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,160
year that we distribute on PBS
and Salt Lake City, it's legal

1063
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,720
to scalp tickets.
So for my first few years here,

1064
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,600
you'd occasionally see somebody
come in and I want to say it was

1065
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,040
about $200 a ticket.
Was the worst couple that I had

1066
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,600
seen come in that had paid for
it.

1067
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,320
And of course they're welcome
in, right?

1068
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,040
They find another seat for him.
But they were devastated.

1069
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,240
And there is no, I mean, I
wouldn't assume there was a

1070
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,640
legal recourse.
They bought it off somebody on

1071
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,720
the street.
And however, that has died down

1072
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,600
with people knowing that all of
the activities on Temple Square

1073
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,800
are for free.
But there's an art to giving

1074
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,360
free tickets.
You have to over give them,

1075
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,480
right?
Because because people don't

1076
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,760
have a commitment.
If I pay $200, I'm going to show

1077
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,600
up at that concert.
If you hand me a ticket for free

1078
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,200
and I don't feel like going that
night, I know that there's no

1079
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,960
financial loss in it.
So you kind of have to over

1080
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
ticket to an extent.
And they've, they've really

1081
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,920
discovered the art of that in
different places of the world

1082
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,120
and how dedicated people are to
come.

1083
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,280
If a lot of the people who are
remotely, if there's a bus

1084
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,760
offered to them, they'll come
in.

1085
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,680
But we have 21,000 seats in Salt
Lake, so there'll be a certain

1086
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,160
percentage more for the
Christmas concert.

1087
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,280
No matter who the guest is, you
know, get the headliner has a

1088
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,640
lot to do with that.
They'll overtake it at a certain

1089
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,720
amount to make sure it's full.
And what happens?

1090
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,360
Have you, has it ever been that
you you've been full for?

1091
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,800
And they've been, Yeah.
Like how And if people have

1092
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,800
travelled a long way to get to
it, Yeah.

1093
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,160
It was, it was one time and I
was so happy I was not front of

1094
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:29,120
house because we have some
overflow areas and we do the

1095
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,080
standby line in each city.
So and I don't always get the

1096
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,640
full numbers, but I think they
got most of the people in in

1097
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,440
Lima.
But the time it backfired in

1098
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,120
Salt Lake City, which has to
have been over 15 years ago,

1099
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,840
they had given away too much.
And so that for the 15 years

1100
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,360
after really created a ceiling
percentage wise of of what you

1101
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,840
wouldn't want to do.
You may see 500 empty seats on

1102
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,720
like a Thursday night of the
Christmas concert rather than go

1103
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,440
down that road again, You know,
of people that got pushed out or

1104
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,800
told they, you know, overflows
are nice.

1105
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,000
But I think if the pandemic
taught us anything, people are

1106
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,880
there for the live experience.
So I can send you to another

1107
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,800
building with the TV.
But a lot of times people go go

1108
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,280
watch a few numbers, you know,
they they don't stay the whole

1109
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,520
time.
But I never, I honestly, I knew

1110
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,520
the I knew obviously the
singers, the orchestra,

1111
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,120
everything was volunteers.
And now you said like the medics

1112
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,960
and like everybody that you
know.

1113
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,960
But I didn't realize the actual
tickets were given away as well.

1114
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,480
Yeah, yeah.
And it's a it is that it's a

1115
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,680
gift of music to the community
that we're in.

1116
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,960
Yeah, yeah.
Really.

1117
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,760
So that brings together, that
does bring together, you know,

1118
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,400
as far as faith, but it's, it's
the gift of music and, and

1119
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,400
really give it, like really give
it.

1120
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,360
Which I think the pandemic
really heightened for a lot of

1121
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,360
people, right?
Whether it's a faith driven

1122
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,760
thing or not, that ability to
sit with people and listen to

1123
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:56,000
music was gone quickly.
And now I think people people

1124
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,080
cherish it a little differently.
Yeah, I mean, I, I always, I

1125
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,360
think you get very spoilt in the
sense that when you start

1126
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,120
working for tours and, you know,
you can stand at the side of the

1127
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,760
stage and watch everything.
I, you know, I didn't want to go

1128
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,280
out into the crowd ever again.
And then, of course, when COVID

1129
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,720
happened, it was like, really
like, yeah, I really don't want

1130
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,760
to.
I don't want to go out there.

1131
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,960
And but knowing at that
particular, you know, those,

1132
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,720
those years where he was at home
and when's touring going to come

1133
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,880
back, that was scary.
Yeah, and it was heartbreaking

1134
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,280
to watch.
It was, which is actually how I

1135
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,360
found this podcast, which is how
I found Geezers of Gear, because

1136
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,600
I'm like, what's going to happen
to all of us?

1137
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,040
And so that's how I started to
listen to IT.

1138
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,080
People were thinking of ideas,
and that's when a lot of the

1139
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,520
streaming came.
What, you know, I think like the

1140
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,320
Indigo Girls streamed from their
living room one time and it

1141
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,600
started to roll back to being
positive.

1142
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,440
And no, we haven't gone
anywhere.

1143
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,640
We'll be back.
Yeah, I mean, Marcel, during

1144
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,840
that time, I mean, he started
the Happy Hour podcast and you

1145
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,080
know, he'd see like over 100
people coming on here all

1146
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:10,600
chatting and, you know, bringing
up ideas how how can we, how can

1147
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,880
we, how can we make this better?
You know, how can we all come

1148
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,560
together?
He connected so many people

1149
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,520
during that time.
I mean, I would love to say to

1150
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,880
myself, you should bring it
back, you know, out for like a

1151
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,720
like a mental health side of
thing, you know, like, you know,

1152
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,640
wherever you are in the world,
come on, let's tune, tune back

1153
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,920
in like every be be once a
month, do a happy hour, come

1154
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:38,480
back.
But sadly I think now people are

1155
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,600
too busy.
Yeah, yeah, it is all back in

1156
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,720
full swing.
But yeah, I agree, you know,

1157
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,800
and.
I and I would like to say, I

1158
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,080
mean, I think I'm probably an
exception to the rule.

1159
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:55,560
That said, I haven't gone back
into touring, but I during that

1160
01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,480
time it really, it really hit
home that I wanted to be home.

1161
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,200
Like.
You know, I, I, it was, it was a

1162
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,560
real, like you said, you know,
at one point you, you're burnt

1163
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,200
out before you got onto Céline
Dion and then, you know, so it

1164
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:18,600
was the same kind of thing there
and that and the worry of or am

1165
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,240
I going to get a tour?
But my friends out on a tour.

1166
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,280
Why didn't I get that cool, like
I can do that and I can do this

1167
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,640
and that whole stress of
everything.

1168
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,880
And I was like, I don't want
that up and down roller coaster

1169
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,240
anymore.
And and that was probably one of

1170
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,120
the biggest, you know, sort of
decisions for me, you know, not

1171
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,760
going back into into like into
that.

1172
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,400
And I was very fortunate and I'm
now here talking to you.

1173
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,080
Yeah.
Well, and before that, when we

1174
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,200
ended up being in Europe in
2016, that really panicked

1175
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,960
because then by then I had a
family.

1176
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,720
And that is when Paris had been
attacked with a Vatican and

1177
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,360
Brussels.
And you know, it's it's it's

1178
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,320
funny as the story can be.
But I turned to my husband and

1179
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,440
said, we have to go update our
will, right?

1180
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,920
Yeah.
And and my employer's like, do

1181
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,480
you want to go?
Should we hire somebody?

1182
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,520
And I'm like, no, I, I think I'm
going to be OK.

1183
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,920
But I had updated my will and I
went.

1184
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,080
I never thought that would
happen, you know, And then to go

1185
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,160
into the pandemic after that and
then to be hit with this touring

1186
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,680
blitz, it's it's kind of full
circle, you know?

1187
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,520
And I mean, yes, you have to be
prepared now, but when you say

1188
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,800
that word, you know, to, to sort
your will out it, it, you know,

1189
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,000
it, it, it's scary because, you
know, at the end of the day, you

1190
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,280
know, we're just going to work
and you don't think of, you

1191
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,080
know, bad things happening.
I will be honest, when I was in

1192
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Vegas, it was quite a busy sonar
like busy scene in somewhere.

1193
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:57,280
And I was like, oh, what if and
I and first time ever, because

1194
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,120
here in Crete, I mean, there's
nothing, you know, there's you

1195
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,640
know, we, I've got no, never say
never touch wood.

1196
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,400
But really.
And it was the first time I was

1197
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,520
like, oh, what about if someone
crazy comes in and shoots here?

1198
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,720
Yeah.
I thought that.

1199
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,880
Well, and that's the first time
I think work wise, it had come

1200
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,720
up for me where they said, hey,
look, we're going to spend

1201
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,200
tomorrow with scenarios.
And I'm like for what, you know,

1202
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,479
And we were tucked in right next
to what was Mandalay Bay at that

1203
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,560
time that had Siegfried and Roy.
You had to have a whole policy.

1204
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,560
You know, you don't really call
ambulances.

1205
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,200
A lot of times on some of these
gigs, you call private numbers

1206
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,279
to dispatch the ambulance so
you're not on a public airway.

1207
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,120
That was the first time I
started to think about that.

1208
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,840
And it's not uncommon to have
bag scares in Las Vegas and what

1209
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,840
you're supposed to do.
And then, you know, I was a

1210
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,520
little, I was fine in Europe in
2016, but when I had to explain

1211
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,200
to the.
Crew.

1212
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,560
So if this happens, you have to
go here.

1213
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,960
And if not, this is where you
go.

1214
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,439
And and our security team will
find us at, at at Lot C.

1215
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,960
So please tell your wives that.
And I saw a couple of their

1216
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,359
faces go, you know, you know,
again, knowing our organization

1217
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,319
won't force them, but they knew
that was really a way of life

1218
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:11,880
now.
Yeah.

1219
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:14,920
And, and like, well, I, I
learned well, it wasn't, it

1220
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,439
wasn't anything like an attack
or anything, but I was sadly

1221
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,479
involved in a hotel fire many
years ago.

1222
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,120
And really, like, it was a quite
a small one in Austria, a little

1223
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,520
small hotel asleep 2:00 in the
morning and we had a busy it

1224
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,359
was, it was like P1 the next
day, practice 1 the next day.

1225
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,359
So we're all up at 5:00 anyway,
but 2:00 in the morning we've

1226
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,080
got hey, banging, banging
everywhere.

1227
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,720
I was like, what are you doing?
I got out of there, opened the

1228
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,319
door, smoke everywhere couldn't
get down.

1229
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:51,880
Of course, at this point I'd
never thought of being nobody

1230
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,279
thinks they're going to be in a
fire.

1231
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,360
So we literally got go out.
The fire escape we managed to

1232
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,560
get out, there was still people
on different levels and from

1233
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,240
that point on everyone was fine.
By the way, before I continued,

1234
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,800
everyone was fine.
The hotel sadly wasn't, but

1235
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:07,760
everybody was.
Everyone was fine.

1236
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,120
But now I always have with me
on.

1237
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,600
I always check where the the
fire escapes are, always check

1238
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,080
different ways to I never used
to do this before.

1239
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,240
Ever go in?
Yep, fine.

1240
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,880
Always check different ways to
get out.

1241
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,720
I have my passport, which is the
biggest thing.

1242
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,520
That was the biggest thing for
me because everyone was like, we

1243
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,480
all come out basically in our
pajamas and then everyone was

1244
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:36,720
like, well, what about
passports?

1245
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,840
Money.
Like we've got no identity,

1246
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:43,120
you've got nothing.
So now I always keep everything

1247
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,840
by the door, even here I've got
my passport there.

1248
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,280
If anything happens in the
house, boom, I'm out passport.

1249
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:53,160
That's all I care about.
And there's, you know, there's

1250
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:59,520
there's we've all been in some
scary situations and I hope that

1251
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,040
you know, not to be any.
And I hope for obviously other

1252
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,560
people not to be in it as well.
But that is the world.

1253
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,840
It is the world.
Yeah.

1254
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,080
I mean, I've been watching.
I mean, I, I really try.

1255
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,080
Like I don't have ATV to watch
the news.

1256
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,360
So I'm one of those.
Yeah.

1257
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,280
I don't, I don't, I, I'm not
interested, sorry.

1258
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,800
But things, do you hear things?
You know, I, my mom calls me,

1259
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,600
she tells what's going on.
The amount of plane crashes you

1260
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,280
guys have had over there
recently is insane.

1261
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,400
Oh, yeah.
And when we were coming, when we

1262
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,960
were in Lima, people kept
walking around with their phone

1263
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,320
going, you know, one flipped
over 1.

1264
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:43,320
And I was like, stop showing me.
Stop, stop showing me, you know,

1265
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,000
and that's the only good thing
about coming home exhausted is

1266
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,000
you're not as wound up.
But we were going into Atlanta

1267
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,560
that had also had another issue.
And it just seems to be this

1268
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,880
like influx of them happening
like within a short amount of

1269
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,320
time.
Yeah, yeah.

1270
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,760
And crazy weather right now.
I mean, we've, I mean, it's not

1271
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,880
one, not the islands here, but
we've got one of the famous

1272
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,520
islands, Santorini.
Well, they, they basically

1273
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,600
evacuated the island with most
of the, most of the locals.

1274
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,600
It was probably about a month
ago now because of like really

1275
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:18,320
bad earthquakes.
And that was really scary.

1276
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,360
There's been flash floodings in
different places even here.

1277
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:28,280
I think it was last year we
literally had earthquakes every

1278
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,880
day.
The house would shake in the

1279
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,160
morning and and I was like what
is going on?

1280
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,840
Like, yeah, what's going?
On in this world like.

1281
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,160
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.

1282
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,040
Yeah.
Really.

1283
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,640
But how do you?
How do you?

1284
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:46,520
So you've got two teenagers, 17,
and you've got your son as well.

1285
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,520
15, yeah.
He's 15, yeah.

1286
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,080
How do you manage that with
doing your job?

1287
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,560
I think they're kind of over
mom.

1288
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,440
They've reached that teenager
like over mom phase and I got

1289
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:03,520
them.
What's that?

1290
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,400
But like, but you've been, you
know, 20 years working for the

1291
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,320
choir and having babies at the
same time.

1292
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,960
And like, wow, like.
I, I think a lot of it.

1293
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,960
A lot.
I I'd not think I know a lot of

1294
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,720
it was my husband who knew
because the job also offers a

1295
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,800
lot of flexibility.
And I think I mentioned to you

1296
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:29,640
our son is a brain cancer
survivor by three times.

1297
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,360
Yeah.
And so we really, yeah, we

1298
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,200
really stayed put for the health
insurance.

1299
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,480
But then it's also, again, you
know, going back to the

1300
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:41,760
conductors of the Tabernacle
Choir, They knew that.

1301
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,920
And I have the ability to staff
the weekly TV show for a tour

1302
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,640
for that matter, which I've been
around long enough to know

1303
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,360
that's not an easy thing to do
for somebody to grant you

1304
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,400
permission to be able to to go
to a doctor's appointment if you

1305
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,040
want or be on site if you want.
And you know, our hours are

1306
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,280
beneficial for kids at different
ages, right?

1307
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,840
When you're working a rehearsal
at night time and you can take

1308
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,160
them to school the following
morning.

1309
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,200
It's all worked out.
And a lot of it has to do with

1310
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,360
the architect of my husband who
was willing to work around it or

1311
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:15,600
work at a different time.
And so just really grateful for

1312
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,800
the health insurance.
But they are not wowed by the

1313
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,800
touring.
I, I thought getting them

1314
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,880
passports and saying come with
me, but they're too far into

1315
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,840
teenagehood now.
They're like, And so I told them

1316
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,520
the last one really is Brazil.
If if you want to go because my

1317
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,720
daughter will be 18.
And I said, you can't call me at

1318
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,880
20 and asked me to go down to
Mexico City.

1319
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,680
I might not have the money,
right?

1320
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,240
So you're missing this
opportunity.

1321
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,080
And she's kind of starting to
believe me.

1322
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:47,720
All of three of them love to
travel.

1323
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,360
But as you know, when you travel
for work, you could kind of take

1324
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,440
it or leave it.
You know, they but they love to

1325
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:56,160
travel.
They have a huge, they want to

1326
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,280
travel everywhere, but they kind
of take this whole schedule a

1327
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,200
little bit for granted.
And I'm going to try to at least

1328
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,280
get them out the door once to an
international spot.

1329
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:09,800
They followed me when we played
Boston and Carnegie Hall.

1330
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,600
They went as little kids to that
because I have family and

1331
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,560
friends there.
So they ended up, that was the

1332
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,560
one stop and they did Northern
California, they followed me to

1333
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,680
that.
So they're they're great.

1334
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,600
They're flexible, but I think
they're kind of over mom.

1335
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,720
They're in the over mom phase.
But I suppose a good thing is,

1336
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,480
you know, yes, we've caught,
you've caught it, a tour.

1337
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:34,600
But it isn't like a tour where
you're gone for three months,

1338
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,040
four months, you know, you know,
you are home.

1339
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,000
Yes.
I I take it you go into an

1340
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,160
office or do you work remotely?
Both.

1341
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,440
I'm a hybrid.
OK, Yeah, which is great as

1342
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:50,000
well, which is fantastic.
And I if you, if you don't mind

1343
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,240
talking about it, your son a
brain tumor 3 times.

1344
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,640
Yeah, at 14 months when we had
had him, he woke up and his neck

1345
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,800
was crooked, which happens right
when they're younger and their

1346
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,640
their muscles are developing.
So we took him in and had this

1347
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,200
amazing pediatrician who still
are pediatrician to this day,

1348
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,680
took a week and, and sent him
through every test imaginable

1349
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,440
because most doctors would have
sent him to physical therapy,

1350
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:23,000
but she was instinctual enough
to get blood drawn to get ACT

1351
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,200
scan to eventually get an MRI.
And that's how they found it.

1352
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,560
And so it's come back twice to
the same spot and then once to a

1353
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:36,920
different spot.
And now he's six years of not

1354
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,960
having brain cancer.
But believe it or not, he's had

1355
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,520
skin cancer, which they
attribute some to the radiation

1356
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,560
coming into the skin.
Yeah.

1357
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,040
Yeah.
So he's a he's like living.

1358
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,000
He is.
He is living with a miracle.

1359
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,600
Seriously, he's he's, he's, he's
a walking miracle.

1360
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,440
And but that brings me to like
see the charity Make a Wish,

1361
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,000
because I love Make a Wish
Foundation.

1362
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:06,040
Yeah.
And, and when I was with Lion

1363
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,800
King in Los Angeles years ago,
it was still new enough that a

1364
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,360
lot of kids wishes were coming
to see that show.

1365
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,720
And maybe I was probably old
enough to realize the severity

1366
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,600
of it, but we loved it, right?
A kid would come to the door and

1367
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,760
you showed him Pumbaa and and
Timon.

1368
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,960
And I'm like, this is kind of
fun.

1369
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,520
But it was one girl.
She was 16 and dying of breast

1370
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,400
cancer.
She was terminal.

1371
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,040
And I remember going to open up
the door with the rest of the

1372
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:40,040
stage managers and we all just
needed a minute because you're

1373
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,280
there to make this kids 30
minutes of joy.

1374
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,800
And we're like, just give us a
minute.

1375
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,080
So when it came up for my own
son and he wished to go to

1376
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:55,320
Disney, I was like, well, OK,
you know, and you're just so

1377
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,680
worried about your kid and
you're so in survival mode.

1378
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,640
But the second that organization
brings you in, comes to your

1379
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,920
house, does the stuff of
granting the kid the wish and

1380
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,440
he's dancing around Disney.
He's young enough to know that

1381
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,000
he's this is a good time to him.
But for his sister and my

1382
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,480
husband and I, it meant the
world to us to be taken out of

1383
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:21,080
the world of doctors and
transported to nothing but joy.

1384
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,360
And so since then, you know, I,
I see what they do for people on

1385
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,720
the social media and it, it is
almost like it's a, it's almost

1386
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,720
a necessity for the soul to
pause on what you're doing for

1387
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,120
your child, whether they want a
swing set or they want to go to

1388
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,920
Paris, it's, it all means the
same.

1389
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,600
Yeah.
And I think, but I mean, from

1390
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:46,040
from that age, I mean, my my
family also have there's a

1391
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,560
history of different illnesses
like that.

1392
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:54,520
And it's not just obviously
your, your son or like it was my

1393
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,760
uncle and it was other people
that it's the family that are

1394
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,160
really affected as well.
Yeah, yeah.

1395
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,040
You know, it's the, you know, so
to have you like your husband,

1396
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,680
your daughter, you know, and
being able to work where you can

1397
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,560
take the time to go to the
hospitals to, to do all this,

1398
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,120
you know, and you just got to
thank goodness.

1399
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,920
He's, he's, he's OK now.
And he's been six years now.

1400
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,360
Since he's had it it all in the
brain, yeah, so.

1401
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,880
And we and I really right of the
skin.

1402
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,240
Yeah.
But I think too, if you look at

1403
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,960
cancer and pediatric cancer is
particularly heartbreaking for

1404
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,200
all of us.
But there are a lot of miracles

1405
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,800
walking along.
I mean, they've made a lot of

1406
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,320
advancements.
Is it cured?

1407
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,520
You know, can you go in and turn
in your card for cancer A and

1408
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,200
they cure it?
No, but the but the people

1409
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,720
living with it, the people
beating it completely.

1410
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,480
The numbers are from my
childhood, astronomical.

1411
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,760
Yeah.
My mother passed of lung cancer

1412
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,360
in the middle of my son being
sick.

1413
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,160
And then we had a cousin's
mother who got sick before,

1414
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,480
different types of lung cancer,
different treatment.

1415
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,240
And she lived almost 15 years
past my mother, which is a

1416
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,480
miracle in itself.
And that was just a different

1417
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,680
choice in treatment.
But the other one I mentioned

1418
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,120
was stand up to cancer.
That was created not that many

1419
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,280
years ago.
And that's a that's a finding a

1420
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,400
different path.
It was, it was created by a few

1421
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,080
people.
And when I went back and worked

1422
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:30,160
the the telethon, it was during
Laura Ziskin's time, who was a

1423
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,720
very well known Hollywood
producer.

1424
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,120
That was one of the founders of
it.

1425
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,960
And it's there.
They look for different paths,

1426
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:37,880
right?
If you call up your doctor and

1427
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,400
your doctor says, well, this
won't work.

1428
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,720
You can call them up and they
could say, well, this is what we

1429
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,800
know is sort of working, this is
what's in trial.

1430
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,240
And they have a very aggressive
approach and open up doors that

1431
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,880
aren't necessarily open for
people, which is why I I still

1432
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,560
give to them and would do
anything for them.

1433
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,560
And that's one thing I like to
do with Giza of gear now,

1434
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,280
especially is, you know, make
OK, it's a post.

1435
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,040
It's something on on Facebook.
It's something this, but

1436
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,760
actually mentioning these
charities, because the more

1437
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,120
people that do something like
this, social media is such an

1438
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,440
incredible tool.
Yeah.

1439
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,720
And it's, it's free, you know,
You know, it takes me, takes me

1440
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:21,400
a little 2nd and I'll do a post
about, you know, make a wish

1441
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,240
foundation, you know, or I'll do
a post about another charity.

1442
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,000
That's why I always ask any of
the ladies or even on Giza gear,

1443
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,160
do you support a charity?
Because for me, it takes, it

1444
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,520
takes nothing to open up
people's eyes and know that

1445
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,440
there's people out there that
are caring and doing good things

1446
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,920
for other people.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1447
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:46,800
Yeah, but Heidi, I can't believe
I just looked as an hour and 20

1448
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,720
minutes like, OK, honestly, I,
I, I could talk to you for like,

1449
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:57,560
this has been so, so great.
I've loved hearing about way how

1450
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,680
you started, about the Céline
Dion, about your kids, about the

1451
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,240
choir.
And yeah, thank you so much for

1452
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,440
just being part of this with me.
Thank you.

1453
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,680
Thank you very much.
Yeah, so and I, maybe one day

1454
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,360
our pause will cross somewhere.
And I said, if I get my better

1455
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,160
singing voice, maybe I'll move
over.

1456
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,120
You let me know.
You let me know.

1457
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,600
I'm joking, I'm really joking,
but thank you so much.

1458
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:30,360
Have a great rest of your day.
Thank you.

1459
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:46,880
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