#297 - Kara Kemp - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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Hello, it's me Sarah.
I have just had a brilliant chat

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with Cara Kemp from Echo Live,
which has This is a new

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rebranding for the Touring
Career Workshop, so it's now

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called Echo Live.
We go into the rebranding, we're

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going to the mental health side
of things, we go into the all

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access platforms that Echolive
provide at festivals.

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We talk about so many incredible
things.

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Really.
Mental health is a huge, huge,

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huge topic on my mind.
So it was great to express and

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really, you know, talk to Cara,
everything that she's doing, her

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touring career, how it started
and obviously where she is now.

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So thank you very much, Tutkara,
and I hope everybody enjoys this

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episode.
And I'm also extremely lucky to

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have the support of Light
Switch, who sponsor leading

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ladies.
I remember when Light Switch

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approached Marcel and said we
really want to be part of this

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journey.
And they had the, the, the

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belief in me to be able to talk
to ladies.

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I started with ladies that I
knew, but now slowly, slowly,

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I'm sort of like reaching out to
ladies in the industry that

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maybe we've had e-mail
communications, maybe I don't

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know them at all.
Last week I had Amber Williams

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on the show.
We didn't know each other.

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She came highly recommended by
David Davidian.

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Today's guest, Cara.
I've been emailing back and

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forth for about a year now.
We've finally got to meet each

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other, but it's just so nice to
have the support from light

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switch to say, come on, you
know, this is great.

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We love what you're doing and we
want to be part of it.

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And you know, really sharing all
these amazing foundations, this

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one now echo live.
I always like to post lots of

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things regarding behind the
scenes foundation.

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So really it's all about giving
back.

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And it's also lovely to receive
the support as well.

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Thank you.

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Now here's the leading ladies.
But geezers of gear on tour,

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maybe she got some stories to
share.

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Now here's the leading ladies by
the Geezers of gear Rock star

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ladies with some stories to
share because La La La La la

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ladies La La.
Hello and welcome to another

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leading ladies podcast with me
ceremony.

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Now this next lady I have been
working closely with over the

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last year, year or so, and she
is the general manager for what

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was formerly known as the
Touring Career Workshop, which

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is a fantastic charity
organization for the industry,

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for the people in the industry.
And they're just going through a

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rebranding at the moment.
So it's called Echo Live now.

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So that's Echo Live and
basically I wanted to get Cara

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on to tell us all about Echo
Live, the introducing the new

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the new rebrand.
It's taking a few weeks now, but

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I believe everything's all up
and running and I want to hear

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from Cara.
So basically, Cara Kemp is a

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passionate leader dedicated to
support him live events

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professionals.
As General Manager of Echo Live,

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she champions mental health,
career growth and industry wide

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in education.
With a background in business,

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performing arts, and over a
decade as a DAGA catering crew

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chief, she's worked alongside
music legends like Bob Dylan and

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Keith Urban.
Tara's Don't Shrink Bloom

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philosophy drives her mission to
empower others through

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connection and education.
She's spearheading the ECHO Live

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rebrand and expanding vital
programs like All Access to

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provide resources for touring
professionals.

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A firm believer in balance, she
promotes creative focus tools,

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mental health days such as no
pants days, which can't wait to

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hear about that and taking small
international steps towards

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progress.
I just can't wait for this one,

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really I can't.
So please welcome Cara Kemp to

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the Leading Ladies podcast.
Hello Cara, and welcome to

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Leading Ladies.
Hi, thank you.

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Well, I'm absolutely thrilled
you wanted to do this.

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For those listening, Cara is
basically the general manager

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for Echo Live.
Now, to some of you, you may not

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be familiar with Echo Live at
the moment because they're going

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through a rebrand.
So literally a couple of weeks.

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It was the touring career
workshop.

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Yeah.
And I just as soon as I saw that

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it all logos were changing, I
was like, message Cara.

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And I was like, please, come on,
let's tell everybody about it.

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Tell everybody about what you
do.

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And of course, I want to know
all about you as well.

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And you know how you got into
the industry, being a lady and

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all things like that.
So my first thing is, where are

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you?
You look like you're at home.

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I am.
I'm at home.

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I'm in right outside of
Nashville in Middle Tennessee.

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I do get to work from my home
base most of the time.

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We've now a lot of us work so
remotely and so I support from

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Middle Tennessee.
That's, that's incredible.

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I'm also a remote worker and
there's something very well.

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It's amazing.
I love, I love the remote work.

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I do miss touring.
I said that many times.

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I do miss the touring side of
things, but you know, seeing

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everything in the background and
I've just seen your dog as well,

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you know, just just all these,
all these things that make, you

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know, working from home so, so
enjoyable, you know, and being

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able to give back as well, which
is obviously, you know, what,

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what you do.
So please, for those people out

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there, what?
Well, what was touring?

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Career Workshop now Echo live.
Please tell me you all about it.

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Yeah, I'm honored to.
So a touring Career Workshop was

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founded in 2011 by Chris Lyle
and Eric Parker, both long time

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industry workers.
Chris is a lighting designer,

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tour manager, production
manager.

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You know, everyone wears so many
hats and it started out as just

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A1 event flagship workshop that
could be a human resource hub.

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And they really, they developed
it because it was, they saw a

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need in the industry and as
people that are working in the

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backbone of the touring
business, they wanted to support

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people that I mean, you often
just, you don't realize that

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when you go see a show, they're
like 30 people supporting every

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one person that's out there that
most of the general public see.

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And it's a hard grind.
And a lot of them are gig

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workers and you just don't have
the support as if you were in a

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major corporation and had an HR
department and insurance and all

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of those pieces.
So when they started it out,

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they were addressing a need and
it was vital and it grew and it

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kept growing.
And, and a few years in, they

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developed a program called All
Access, which was providing free

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counseling to people that are
working full time in the

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industry.
And as it grew and it was making

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an impact just over these last
13 years, they discovered that

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it really needed to be more
inclusive, more programming

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allowed for year round.
It wasn't just the flagship

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event and they wanted to embrace
more of the people, not just

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touring industry, but also
anyone who is working in the

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live events sector.
So over the last year, which is

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really when I got introduced
with Echo Live.

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So over the last year, they
decided what are the branches

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that we're really addressing
with this nonprofit And the five

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pillars were education,
community connection, health and

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opportunity.
So they rebranded this an

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acronym for EE Live to really
embrace more of the industry to

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be able to have our services and
our program, programs that reach

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out to to more people.
And so at the moment, is it sort

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of more online workshops that
you're doing or is it like we'll

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talk about all the all Access,
which is obviously like live,

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you know, at festival, at a gig.
So from going from one event a

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year now, it has grown so much,
you know, what do you provide,

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You know, is it mainly online
services for industry people?

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We we are still trying to
embrace the live and live.

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So we we have monthly networking
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We also networking nights where
we can bring people from all

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sectors of live events.
When we have these networking

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nights and day offs, we may have
people, local vendors who have

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warehouses here in Nashville
that are showing up to meet with

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students from Belmont or a very
new artist to the industry.

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People that are juggling hats of
merchandise to they're breaking

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in as a tour manager with
smaller, you know, club venues

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want to meet people who are
working in arenas and stadium

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shows.
So we are, we do monthly

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networking and connection.
We do this year we're excited to

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see if we can do some more like
a library of webinars that are

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available to students and mentor
a little bit more in depth that

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way.
We are looking to have

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mentorships and financial
planning to be able to offer gig

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workers who are really trying to
figure out their budget and

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especially if you're, you know,
feast or famine sometimes.

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And that would be something that
would be virtual.

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So it's a mix of both in person
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So when you have the live like
events, the monthly events,

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where where are they based?
Where are?

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Yeah, where?
Like whose venue?

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You know, in which locations?
So we have done everything from

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Top Golf to tonight.
We actually have a day off at

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Main Light Studios.
Yes, I read that on the socials

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so that sadly was gonna miss
that because it's where this is

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recorded like 2 weeks ago.
But I'll update everybody with

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how that went.
So the events actually at main

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light tonight at.
Main Light next for March, we're

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going to meet at Blackbird
Studio and give people an

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opportunity to record, record,
to tour the recording studio and

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then be able to ask questions
and mentor and meet with each

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other.
We have done kayaking like in

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the middle of summer when it's
blistery hot with it's just

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something that's, you know, fun
and kayaking together.

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We've talked about goat yoga, so
it has all extremes.

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Oh my God, I've had a peep.
Yoga but.

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Not right so it's in true events
live event roadie form.

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We try not to take ourselves too
seriously.

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A lot of really great networking
happens when you let the guard

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down and just get to connect one
another right and have have some

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fun.
But we do recognize that anytime

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we can be in a room together,
that's really weird.

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How do you find getting
everybody together, especially

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because you know, the industry
where you know, it's worldwide,

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you know where I'm in Europe,
you know, America, you've got

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people out touring all the way
around the world.

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And so the turn out for a
monthly event.

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Is it more students or is it,
you know, is it someone that may

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be their home in your area and
they're like, we want to drop in

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and say hi, let's be part of it.
That must be a struggle, getting

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people to actually be there.
For sure it is and the more

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consistent it is, which we
really, we try to have this

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consistency to continue the
momentum so that people know

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what to expect.
But it is it's challenging and

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it is a day off for a lot of
people if they are art, if they

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are touring, they've been out
weekend warriors and they're

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tired.
So it's like, well, you know,

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but but we do find that there
may be someone who's on tour who

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has come through Nashville for a
show that that don't normally

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live here.
And we do get to see and connect

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with people that are, this is
not their home base, but we do

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have a lot of students because
there's a lot of the

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universities and of course,
younger people breaking into

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this industry.
I feel like we have about half

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and half, which is the fun part
of the mentorship opportunity is

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we see about half of the people
that show up are students are

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new to the industry.
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veterans that that could be
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working in a warehouse studio or
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for the weekend and they show
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So yeah, it is, but it is a
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you know, try with, you know,
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I mean, we actually had Chris on
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We had Chris on.
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organize everybody.
I mean, the amount of emails I

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receive.
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you're, you're on that tour.
Last year I was asked to go on

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Just Help Out on Blink 182.
It was for a week.

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It was 4 shows.
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myself and I said, can I go?
I said it'd be a great

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opportunity.
I could get loads of people for

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the podcast and this and that.
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I mean, big, big dreams.
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lady.
I did have one lady come on.

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about a podcast, you know
they're not, you know, and that

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the whole, everyone's tired.
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off, you generally don't see
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because we haven't got kitchen
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on, then fantastic.
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hope that those people are going
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give the advice and get a
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in.
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all of us, you know, it just
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industry.
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circumstances, everything, all
the rest of it.

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You're we're now so chatting
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We've had e-mail communications
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seen face to face.
It's a very tough world to get

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younger people don't know
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I mean, I don't know if there
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know, when we started in the
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How do you feel?
Do you think it's got there's

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more pressure now or like, how
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stumbled into the industry, into
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didn't exactly know what I, what
I was saying yes to, but so I

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didn't feel the same immense
pressure when I show up and I'm

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talking to these students and
they have a lot of questions for

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me about how I got into the
industry and, and, and you can

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just, you can really feel like
they are so smart with their

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questions and so focused on
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And when it really does seem to
come down to, are you in the

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someone who then goes, oh, this

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person would be perfect on this
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it's it.
It's why I think that these day

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offs are are really a special
platform for for all people

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across the industry to see one
another because it's very

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collaborative and getting the
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conversation with someone and be
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can really be that first kind of
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But yeah.
We actually had an event this

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year at LDI.
It was called Dining with

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Dinosaurs and we had the I know
Craig, I love the name of it,

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but we had basically all the
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started our industry and we also
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were just fantastic because they
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Then we had Roy Bickle in there,
Bob Gordon, we had all these

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amazing legends in this room.
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that wasn't even part of, let's
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that, let's say, not as missing,

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but there's a huge opportunity
for these legends, for people in

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the industry to give their
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do, especially with more with
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students coming in.
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health side of things,
obviously, as I mean, we were,

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we were talking.
So let's, let's go back a bit.

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I mean, can you share your join
your, your journey?

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So your journey, you know, I
believe you started in

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performing arts, that was where
you actually sort of originated

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from.
And then like moving into the

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business side of into the live
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So how did you, how did, how did
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Sure, yes.
So I, I graduated with an arts

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degree in theater and
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with an arts degree and you're

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young and starting out, there's
food service that goes hand in

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hand.
And, and I just so be happened

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to be working in this coffee
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And the lady who had started the
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tour catering set up.

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And she had just started two
years in and basically said,

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you're good with people, right?
And you like to like do foods

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and things.
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And she was like, would you want
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summer?
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I was 23, let's do it.
Let's see what it's all about.

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I had absolutely no idea what I
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And it was really stressful.
I was, I was, we did a great

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job, but I lost 25 lbs in 2 1/2
weeks because I was stressed and

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I was not speaking and I was one
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you're used to having everything
switched and it's like 18 hours

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on my feet all day, you know,
four or five weeks in a row.

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And, and, and I did, I enjoyed
it, but it was, it was a switch

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and it, and it had like
physically showed my body and I

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continued to do it for 13 years.
So I didn't hate it.

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something that was more than

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just summer.
It was a full time, it was a

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full time job for me.
But I again, it was, I said yes

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in a moment and, and just kind
of followed it and learned a

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lot.
I was the crew chief out there

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for a day of catering.
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responsibility and care for my
crew in ways of not just turning

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out and doing what we were hired
for.

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But really, you know, I had
people that had mental

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breakdowns because they also
didn't know what to expect and,

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or they were just, they were
stressed out.

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into this industry with Echo

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live, it's just, it really, I've
been so proud to see the

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evolution.
Like no one was talking about

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mental health or, or going to
get a massage on your day off.

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You know, I thought, but, but it
wasn't like you didn't talk

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about it.
So, so yeah, it's it's been a

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really lovely to see the
evolution of the conversations

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that are being had.
And even at the Fall workshop

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this this past November, our
keynote was Marty Hum.

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I love.
Him right, he's a just a legend.

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I mean Barbra Streisand,
Beyoncé, Shakira like and he led

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with the importance of he brings
counsellors out on the road and

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the importance of mental health
being illecible and it really.

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I have been talking to so many
ladies on this and, and outside

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and really if it's something you
know, I know things are

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tightening down, the budgets are
tightening, but please, big tall

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company, not company like tall
productions.

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Bring on a counsellor, bring on
someone that you that the tool

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can go to because you're out on
the road for such a long time.

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There are always little bits of
problems with a Co worker, with

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someone in another, in another
camp, from video, from whatever,

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whatever, you know, whatever
side you're, you're working in.

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And I also started in catering,
so I know exactly where you're

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coming from in the sense that I
always used to say, if anyone

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said, what do you do?
I'd say I'm mum.

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Like, like like really, you
know, I, I'm, I'm, I'm mum

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because I would see somebody or
even if I learned very quickly,

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you know, if say people can be
rude, you know, they've got not

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a lot of time, they can be rude.
And at first I also was like,

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well, I don't like him, you
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of their attitude then.
So I was like, hang on a minute,

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let's just step back.
Why?

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And I'm a big one of finding out
why.

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So I would go, I'd approach and
say, is everything OK?

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would be full.

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I like to think I'm a good
listener.

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I also like talking.
But I'm a good listener.

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And like before you know it,
it's all come out that there's

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a, you know, they've got a
problem back home.

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They've got this, they've got
that.

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And before you know it, you know
whoever, whether it wasn't to

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me, they were horrible to one of
the other girls when the other

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boys, they've come around and
said, I'm, I'm sorry about that.

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Now we don't unders we do
understand our emotions.

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I think we're getting very good
at understanding our emotions

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now.
But it's still, you don't

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necessarily talk about it too
much or if you talk about it to

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the wrong person, it can get
out, you know that whatever it

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was, it can get out a secret or
something.

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So having a counselor where you
can go and talk and just let

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everything out, you know,
they're not judging you.

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You can say what you need to
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Really.
I think Marty's amazing for

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bringing that on and more, more
touring production to do it.

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One of my biggest things was, I
think one of the last tours I

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did, you know, they had a tattoo
artist.

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Seriously, don't go get a tattoo
artist.

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I mean, I haven't got any
tattoos.

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I'm picturing needles, right?
I'm like, bring a counsellor on

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board.
You know, you mentioned about

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having like massage massages.
Like I know some tours now bring

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on masseuse.
Like, yeah, OK, that's also

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amazing because you know, for
every reason our bodies pushed,

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not just mentally, it's
physically pushed.

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And like you said, and now the
the touring dates and the days

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that you know, it's, it's not
just a hot if not, that was not

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that it was never a holiday, but
there was a lot more time in

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between.
You know, you could go and see

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the city, you could go and
explore a little bit.

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Now it's like back-to-back to
back-to-back, you know?

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And that's also, that's not just
for the crew, that's for the

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artists.
Yeah, yeah.

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How they do it, you know?
Yeah, it is.

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Performing I, I know I'm a, I'm
a very sensitive and I'm an

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emotional person.
If I use too much energy one

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day, you I know the next day
I'm, I'm a little bit lower

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unless there's like a, a bigger
like if I'm on tour, I generally

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like, I keep on going.
Like my mind says, you got to

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keep on going.
Soon as that tour finishes,

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that's the crash.
For sure it is.

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I always referred to it as like
life in the bubble and then the

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time once the bubble had burst
was my time, you know, in

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between tours or being off the
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And it it I was young and silly,
but I referred to them for every

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week that I was on the road.
I instilled one no pants day.

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And it started my mother like
I'd get home and my mom was so

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excited to see me and she like,
well, let's go do things.

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And I was like, mom, I was out
for six weeks.

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I got six whole no pants days.
So essentially you can come see

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me, but if it requires me
putting on pants, I'm not going

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to be doing it because I had to
recharge, you know, like and I I

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consider myself an extrovert,
but you when you are expending,

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like you were saying, so much
energy is going out.

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You have to have some time to
yourself to recharge and to not

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think on such a high level.
I mean, even if you are in a, in

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a very specific, I'm a lighting
designer or I'm the audio

444
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,240
engineer, you still have a bunch
of different plates that are

445
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,640
ancillary around those things
that are coming at you and

446
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,520
you're trying to process all of
that information at a really

447
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,880
fast speed on those gig days.
So you just you have to get

448
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,480
outside of the bubble.
But again, I think that where we

449
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,000
are talking more about it like
maybe, you know, say 10 years

450
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,200
ago, I mean, as I was saying to
you before my I, I started in

451
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,440
Formula One and sort of came
into the music into probably

452
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,360
like 10 years ago.
I've only done a few tours quite

453
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,960
like, but even coming from, I
call it that's the a man's world

454
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
from Formula One coming into
this industry again, it's a,

455
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,640
it's a man's world.
So maybe at the beginning, I

456
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,480
wouldn't talk about my feelings
or like especially I would come

457
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,080
back to Crete, which is where I
live.

458
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,560
Nobody would see me, which I
didn't call it no pants days,

459
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
but literally if I was on, if I
was on the road for three

460
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,560
months, I would come back.
Nobody would see me for a week.

461
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Nobody.
It would be a week at home and I

462
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,320
would just and I wouldn't know
how to adjust my lifestyle of

463
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,960
being on the road when at any
given point I had somebody near

464
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,200
me.
There was in the hotel room.

465
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,440
I knew that someone was above
next door below.

466
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640
I could walk into reception.
I would see someone.

467
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,320
I'd walk down a street.
There's a possibility of seeing

468
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:27,120
someone to coming home to
literally an empty house in a in

469
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,640
a village that's so quiet.
And then you go down to see your

470
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,760
friends and they're like, oh,
you know, you've just been on

471
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,880
tour with them.
You went here, you went there.

472
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,560
And then I say, well, no, no, I
was on a tour bus.

473
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,440
I saw a hotel for the night.
I was then in like it was

474
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,320
stadium.
So it was.

475
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
And they look at me, they're
like, yeah, but you, you went

476
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,680
here, you went here, you went
here.

477
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,760
And in the end, you kind of have
to say yeah, yeah, when they

478
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160
were brilliant.
So you're lying to yourself and

479
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,640
you're lying to them because
they don't, you know, that it's

480
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,480
not their fault.
They don't understand.

481
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,080
So you find I found myself being
like really two different

482
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,800
people, you know, and then over
not over sharing, but being

483
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,960
like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, I went here in

484
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,480
America, I travelled here, I did
this, I did that.

485
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,040
But actually I didn't, I saw
underground car parking and you

486
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,320
know, as caters like a Dust Bowl
of like, how am I going to turn

487
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,600
this restaurant into something
five star?

488
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,400
I've no idea.
And then pack it all away in 3-4

489
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,840
days.
You know, it's that side of

490
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,680
things.
But I'm talking about it now.

491
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Like I said, when I went on, it
was only last year.

492
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200
Now I can tell my friends
they're like, oh, but you're

493
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,120
going, you've got like 4 gigs,
blah, blah, blah.

494
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,960
And I was like, guys, I've told
you before, I see nothing.

495
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Yeah.
Well, and now you have a lot of.

496
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680
You can't tell those.
You can't disclose any of your

497
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,320
information either, Which is,
which is a was an evolution from

498
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,000
when I first started to now.
It's like I can't remember what

499
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,600
I'm supposed to tell her, what I
can't.

500
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,480
I no longer seriously what you
know, I want to do a photo.

501
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Am I allowed to do a photo?
Can I do this?

502
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Can I do that?
No, I can't do that anymore.

503
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,000
But I think again, that's, you
know, that that's kind of AI

504
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,800
think that's a good thing, not
sharing too much on on the

505
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,800
socials.
Yeah, yeah.

506
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,040
That social media for me, OK, I
I'm, I'm on social media for

507
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920
work, obviously, and for that
quite, you know, quite a bit,

508
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,920
but I still try and distance
myself from a lot because you

509
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,680
also get these comments from
people and you're like dudes

510
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,680
like I'm just like, I'm just one
doing my job to I'm trying to do

511
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880
the best I can to just the best
I can.

512
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,160
And then you get some nasty
comment that really you like.

513
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,480
What was that?
What Why did?

514
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,760
What was that for?
Yeah, and you know, that is a

515
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,240
piece that when I was starting
out and really trying to get my

516
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,440
bearings, I didn't those things
were not accessible to me.

517
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,240
So I that was a part that I
didn't have to juggle.

518
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,960
And I think that that is an
extra layer coming into touring

519
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,679
local these these gigs of, you
know, you want to be authentic

520
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,400
in sharing that this is a part
of your life and part of your

521
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,040
story, but you also want to be
you want to comply with the

522
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,159
rules.
And you also don't necessarily

523
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,560
want to open yourself up to
criticism.

524
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,960
I mean, it's a that's a real
juggle of pressure of how do I

525
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,880
legitimately show who I am but
also safeguard myself and not

526
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,840
then spend a lot of time having
to, to negotiate some of the,

527
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,960
the trolling or nasty comments
or pieces that it's, it's a lot.

528
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,840
It's a lot.
Sometimes I think some I kind of

529
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
want to reach out to some of
these people and just go, are

530
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400
you OK?
Because again, the people that

531
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,760
are doing it, I think need, you
know, they need, they need

532
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,120
someone to talk to because
there's so much anger in some of

533
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,440
these people.
And you're just like, life

534
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960
shouldn't be about the anger,
you know?

535
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,680
I guess we should say that if
they are working in the live

536
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,360
events industry on that basis we
can help with that.

537
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,080
That's really happy they can
connect you with someone who you

538
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,320
could speak with and maybe work
out some pieces of that.

539
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,720
Yeah, and that's it.
I mean, you mentioned like

540
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,120
obviously you're working with
Chris.

541
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,520
Had you worked with him before?
Like what?

542
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,320
What basically, Yeah, Well, how
did you get connected to

543
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,920
basically become like the
general manager for Echo Life?

544
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,400
Like how did your paths cross?
Sure.

545
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,520
You know, we have determined
that we probably had a lot of

546
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,560
near misses in the tours that we
did the the last half of my

547
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,360
career because I I did grow up
outside of Nashville.

548
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,880
I moved back from Los Angeles
because the catering company was

549
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,000
like, we're getting into country
music.

550
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,840
And, and so I moved back to to
be able to do the weekend

551
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,360
warrior thing, which I'd never
heard of in the rock'n'roll side

552
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,240
of touring.
And so Chris and I determined

553
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,680
that we had a lot of tours that
we worked on, but not at this,

554
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,760
not at the same time, but we did
tour with a lot of the same

555
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,880
people in last year.
They, they really had a lot of

556
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,120
expansion with the all access on
site program and just growing

557
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,080
with their programming year
round.

558
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,920
And they realized because Chris,
I mean, he is full time gigging

559
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,960
it.
He, I don't think he has a day

560
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,280
off until like August.
You know, he's been working

561
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,480
since, you know, before
Christmas and he needed some

562
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,200
support.
And there was Chuck Hole, who

563
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,200
was my tour manager on the Keith
Urban tour.

564
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,960
He was my last tour.
And I had the great honor to

565
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,880
work with Chuck Hole.
And he sat on the board for Echo

566
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,200
Live.
And there were a couple of other

567
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,640
board members who I had also
toured with or known from the

568
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,240
touring world.
And so when they were looking

569
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:30,240
for someone who understood what
this industry was like, but I

570
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,760
was also working with my own
coaching business.

571
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,760
So I have this service art for
for coaching and Wellness and

572
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,280
had also been a general manager
for other businesses.

573
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,960
They were like, maybe.
You're the prep would be and.

574
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,800
Maybe she would be a good fit.
And so they put me, they put me

575
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,240
through my paces.
I had to, you know, interview

576
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:56,960
and and do all of those steps.
But I I wasn't looking for it.

577
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,000
But again, it was a moment of
saying yes to if someone has

578
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,280
thought enough of me to say this
reminded me of you, would you be

579
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,760
interested?
Then I think that it's important

580
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,040
for you to at least say yes to
the opportunity and see what the

581
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,680
other person has in mind and if
it aligns with what you were

582
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,760
having in mind and what your
passion and purpose feels like

583
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,680
in life.
And and it was it was really

584
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,840
after speaking with Chris and
interviewing with a few of the

585
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:36,240
board members, it was an easy
Yahoo yes for me because it it

586
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:41,440
highlighted a piece of what I
wish I had seen when I was first

587
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,320
starting out in the industry.
I would have totally benefited

588
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,560
from some free counseling.
I mean, I was paying for it on

589
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:56,520
my own, but it the conversations
and the opportunity to connect

590
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,760
people with tools, it was just,
it was an easy yes.

591
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,200
So because I was obviously you
sent me some information, but

592
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,960
you've also which makes you a
perfect fit.

593
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,040
You do you give so much, you
give so much back, but you have

594
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,720
got your car Kemps coaching.
So that really made you like a

595
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,800
perfect fit for what Chris and
the board were trying to do and

596
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,720
trying to achieve.
Do you like combine any point

597
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,760
this like your coaching?
Are you like, do you are you

598
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,600
like involved live like that?
I was going to ask you like, do

599
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,920
you attend these live things
once a month and are you a coach

600
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,160
there as well, like.
I I try not to show up too much

601
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,760
with my coaching hat for my
business, but I do I do attend

602
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,600
these live events.
I was really my big thing last

603
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,920
year was helping with the
workshop itself because I have

604
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,080
also done a lot of nonprofit
events and things like that.

605
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,920
The production side of it is is
my wheelhouse.

606
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,160
So I do show up for these
events, and I do end up coaching

607
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,320
people.
Yeah.

608
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,800
You know, like I, I can't put
that hat down, of course.

609
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:25,760
And I really am invested in
seeing people grow and stretch

610
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,360
and encouraging them when
they're a little bit uneasy to

611
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,600
like really just be brave in
that moment and just step into

612
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,040
it.
So I, I do, I'm there, I'm

613
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,320
there, I'll be there at the day
off tonight and I'll, I'll be,

614
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,360
I'm typically at all as many of
them as I can be.

615
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,160
I have, as we have grown with
the program of all access on

616
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,280
site, I have been able to go to
a few of the local shows and

617
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,800
help out in those moments when,
when they need someone on site.

618
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,880
So I I do get to stretch my
coaching hat so.

619
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,760
And the All Access, I mean, last
year it was a quite, some of the

620
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,000
festivals, if I believe that's
where you sort of like really

621
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,640
tuned in.
You had your area and yeah,

622
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,200
basically All Access pass, you
could go in and you just made

623
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,960
everyone feel welcome to
basically just relax there.

624
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,400
And you had people to talk to,
I'm presuming as well.

625
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,400
We do.
Yes, we so Casey Kleckler, who

626
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:35,240
is also a coach and a counselor,
She really is, she is the queen

627
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,360
of all access on site and she
coordinates having a private

628
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:46,440
space for confidentiality and
you can sign up for an

629
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,480
appointment on site to be able
to, to speak to someone.

630
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,280
And, and it's really varied.
We Lollapalooza, Boston Colling,

631
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Bonnaroo, Austin city limits,
the CMA Fest, CMA awards.

632
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,680
So you know, all of these places
where it is super high

633
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,120
intensity.
There's so much going on and and

634
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,200
I've I've been so honored to be
able to just kind of step in on

635
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,160
a few of those days and and you
get to see it happen in real

636
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,200
time.
Someone who comes and they're

637
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,880
like, I'm having a challenge
with Co worker right now and I

638
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,560
don't know what to do.
And I just need someone to talk

639
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,040
with.
And I mean, man, it's just so

640
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,520
fast how the relief of just
being able to say it to someone

641
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,600
and have a sounding board and
then they go back and they're

642
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,480
like, OK, thanks.
And then maybe an hour or two

643
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,120
later, someone else shows up
that was like, I think I need to

644
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,720
talk to you.
I was talking to my buddy over

645
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,840
there and they, you know, and,
and, and it's a beautiful domino

646
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,440
effect of in a good in a
positive domino effect, right?

647
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,240
So yeah, as soon as.
One person goes and you know, in

648
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,480
a way, you know, you're going to
take away the the stigma of oh,

649
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,160
I'm going to go talk to someone.
You know, it it many years

650
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,920
before that's how it was.
You know, you're going to see a

651
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,160
counsellor or you're doing this.
Now again, people are more open

652
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,640
to saying, yeah, I've got this
great counsellor and I do this.

653
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,800
You know, whether it be on.
I know so many people now that

654
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,720
do it online, you know, but to
have it on site now, I'm not

655
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,360
familiar with a lot of the
festivals there, but if it's

656
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,960
anything to go by the ones in
the UK, the people are there.

657
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,320
I mean, take for example
Glastonbury.

658
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,160
Glastonbury people are there
setting up three months before.

659
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:48,160
But the, you know, the, the main
event, this is when you need

660
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,600
that all access for people to
go.

661
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,920
You know, when you're there for
three months and you're living,

662
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,920
you're still living in a shitty
tent and it's been raining and

663
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,240
you've got wet clothes and you
know, sadly not sadly, there's

664
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,560
not suddenly anything sad about
it.

665
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,320
But you know, you're drinking,
you're partying as well because

666
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,960
that you know that's always
going to happen.

667
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,320
The worst thing that can do then
is then the next day you're

668
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
feeling like poor, you know, a
bit, a bit groggy.

669
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,800
Then you bicker with somebody
else and then this happens and

670
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,680
this happens.
But having all access at you

671
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,360
know from the start, are you at
the start the whole the whole

672
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,920
way through?
Yes.

673
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,960
So we now that we have a few,
you know, there are a few

674
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,200
festivals that are brand new
festivals to us, but a lot of

675
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,440
these are ones that we are
returning to and they bring us

676
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,120
into the production meeting
right at the start.

677
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,440
The department heads are aware
of what we're doing and, and

678
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,880
what it means and that this is a
resource for them.

679
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,520
And then, and then we have a
booth, like a space that's

680
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,080
backstage and a space that is
confidential for the therapist.

681
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,080
And they let us, you know, put
the QR codes out to sign up for

682
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,800
your appointment.
So it's easy.

683
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,720
So yeah, we're really, we're a
part of it.

684
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:16,160
We're a part of the culture.
And each year it grows on the

685
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,400
ones that we return to and we're
on site again.

686
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,560
Really, it's brilliant.
And I suppose as well, the great

687
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,480
thing with festivals is you
know, you'll have all these

688
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,320
bands come in, you'll have all
tour managed products and

689
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,160
they'll see what you're doing
and hopefully slowly, slowly.

690
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,400
So everybody out there
listening, if you're listening,

691
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:42,120
bring on Echo live, you know, to
your festivals, to whatever it

692
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,000
may be.
And, you know, who's to say you

693
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,360
might get bigger, really bigger
and bigger and you may be hiring

694
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,560
people to go on tour like Marty
Holmes doing, you know, to go on

695
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,720
go on tour because it really is,
you know, like we were saying,

696
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,760
you know, you've got a family
back home or maybe you don't

697
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,960
have a friend.
Maybe, you know, you're

698
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,520
travelling on the road because
it's hard to meet somebody when

699
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,520
you're on the road.
You know, maybe you have a tall

700
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,920
wife or or husband for that that
time.

701
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,800
Then you don't see them again
ever, you know, but they are

702
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,480
your world, right?
Then you know, whatever it may

703
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,920
be, you know, having again that
person to talk to, talking,

704
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160
talking is great.
Talking is great, Crying is

705
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,240
great.
I'm not ashamed to cry.

706
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,880
I mean, you know, my boss will
tell you that I, I cried with

707
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,720
him like, and I was like, I
don't know where it's coming

708
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,720
from, but it has to come out.
It has to come out.

709
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,760
And I, you know, and I was
literally like this.

710
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,200
And he said, what, what have I
said?

711
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,840
I said it's not you, it's just
an emotion.

712
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,640
Right, yes.
And the quicker that you can

713
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,320
process that emotion and then
the quicker you can get on with

714
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,000
the logical, rational pieces
that you need to make in a day.

715
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,000
The time out is important, even
if it's 15 minutes of some

716
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,240
corner that's quiet somewhere
and some deep breathing.

717
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,480
But not everybody has access to
those tools on that first tour,

718
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,680
you know you have so much of
wanting to perform and wanting

719
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,800
to belong and wanting to prove
yourself.

720
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,400
That's the thing, wanting to
belong in the groups, whatever,

721
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,240
because people do, they get
together, You've got, you know,

722
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,640
there's it happens, there's a
clicky group, there's the call

723
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:38,400
group, you know, and I was, I
was never in any of those, you

724
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,720
know, and sometimes it could be
very sad, but you find the one

725
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,920
person or the two or the three
that you're comfortable with.

726
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,640
And you know, a lot of the times
when I was touring, I would

727
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,120
actually go off on my own and
walk.

728
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,040
So I would do a lot of walking.
If we did have a day off, I

729
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,760
would look on the map and I
would, I would just go, right,

730
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,360
I'm going out here, go to the
country.

731
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,320
So whatever it may be, I'm going
for walking because that cleared

732
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,240
my mind all the time.
But it's understanding you're I

733
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,920
suppose you're, I understand
myself a lot more now.

734
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,600
You know, I like I always said,
I understand that I have high

735
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,920
days, low days, never on a tour
because I always, like I said, I

736
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,040
always keep it up.
But that's also that's tiring

737
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,080
keeping it up all the time
there.

738
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,040
So when you do have a day off,
you know you can crash.

739
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,560
And again, we've all, we've all
done it.

740
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,000
You just have a room day.
I'm going to call it a pants day

741
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,080
now.
Now.

742
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,040
You have, you know, you have no
pants day and you know you're

743
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,120
ordering like room service,
which is overpriced that you get

744
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,880
annoyed about.
And it's always just nine times

745
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,640
out of 10, it's not that good.
You're watching, I believe,

746
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,760
Netflix.
I love it.

747
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,560
Yeah, I hate the damn thing.
But you've got Netflix and you

748
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,520
binge watch a load of rubbish
that you wouldn't normally and

749
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
that, again, is not good for,
you know, your mental health.

750
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,480
But maybe if there was a
counsellor on on on the tour and

751
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,880
said, OK, guys, I've just
Googled.

752
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,720
There's a beautiful walk today.
We're going to go for a walk.

753
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,280
Yeah, and anyone who wants to
come meet me in the lobby at

754
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,200
2:00.
Yeah, yeah.

755
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,040
I mean, I used to say that to a
lot of people.

756
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,800
I used to be like, OK, if you
want to call, I did.

757
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,800
I had a couple of people that
did used to join me on on these

758
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,480
walks towards the end because I
knew that we're on the same kind

759
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,720
of level that, you know, we just
wanted to enjoy the nature to

760
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,800
recharge.
And then the next day we'd go

761
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,320
back and, you know, would feel
brilliant again.

762
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,720
But I was going to ask you like,
what would you say are some of

763
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,200
the biggest challenges like live
event professionals face today

764
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:52,720
and how can they overcome them?
Well, if I am, I've been

765
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,440
listening a lot this past year,
trying to really be aware of

766
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,920
what are the most challenging
pieces for the people that we're

767
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:10,760
serving and the connection piece
for people really being able to

768
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,560
talk and meet and talk with
someone who is in there.

769
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,680
Like to be able to have that
kind of mentorship piece because

770
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,440
you always feel like you're,
you're, you're having to promote

771
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,280
yourself.
You're these shameless self

772
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,800
promoters, right?
And, and people feel a little

773
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,440
bit territorial and so it's
like, how do I talk to someone

774
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,000
about advancing in the same spot
that like moving up to where

775
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,880
they are, but also not wanting
to step on toes and but really

776
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,000
genuinely wanting to learn.
So it seems like the mentorship

777
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,320
piece of being able to find
someone that they can really

778
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:57,000
talk really honestly and openly
with about is a is a big piece

779
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:03,520
for our industry mental health.
And in so many different ways

780
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:10,960
is, is a big piece from the
coping mechanisms of say,

781
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:17,400
numbing or lashing out versus
other resources in different,

782
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:23,680
healthier ways to be able to, to
deal with those challenges of

783
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:29,120
just being fast-paced in, in the
industry and not feeling like

784
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,920
you ever have enough time.
And so that time management

785
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:40,080
organizational piece, being able
to be an advocate for your own

786
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,360
well-being.
And I mean, something as small

787
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,960
as I know that I have to take a
buffer.

788
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Like I may not be able to get an
entire day, but where do I find

789
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,680
the time and and allow myself to
know that it's OK for me to take

790
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,400
30 minutes for a lunch instead
of eating it over a trash can?

791
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,440
You know, like where do you find
those micro moments?

792
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:12,160
But.
To me, it seems like time, time

793
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,400
management, financial planning,
like the budget piece of you

794
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,920
know, how do I, I may have three
big gigs this year, but I have

795
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,440
to stretch it out over 12 months
for how do I save?

796
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,680
How do I find insurance?
How do I utilize and and plan

797
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,720
for my year in the in the
networking community piece.

798
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,240
It those those seem to be the
conversations that I hear the

799
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,400
most.
OK, I suppose the financial side

800
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,880
of things, I mean like if
you're, let's say good, I mean,

801
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,560
I'm, you know, I can be
terrible, you know, you know,

802
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,240
you've I've got some money and
I'm like, oh, that's brilliant.

803
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,400
I've saved all that.
I've done that, done this.

804
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,920
And then also I'll be like, oh,
but I'm only here once.

805
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Oh, let's do it.
Right.

806
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,360
I've been terrible all my life,
really all my life.

807
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,640
Do I regret it?
No.

808
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,080
Because I went on some
helicopter around the Grand

809
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,320
Canyon.
Whatever it may have been, I did

810
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,120
it.
And I, you know, but then did I

811
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,480
struggle after?
And was I worried that I wasn't

812
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,920
going to get another job after?
Yes.

813
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,240
Yeah, yeah.
And and so.

814
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,000
We do.
We have a lot of those people

815
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,880
that I see them show up at the
day offs and that, that

816
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,640
conversation right there seems
to always, I hear it in in a lot

817
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,600
of different conversations on
these day off networking pieces

818
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,280
of like, man, my last gig was
here and things are getting

819
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,400
tight and what am I going to do?
Or, you know, and it's it's it's

820
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:57,720
a big piece of I grew up in a
family of teachers and, and

821
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,200
influenced by grandmother who
lived through the Great

822
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,760
Depression.
So money management was always

823
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,520
and that was just that was a
gift because I did, I'd go out

824
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,520
there and you get that per diem
in your hand, you're like, blow

825
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,760
it all.
I don't care.

826
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,800
I'm going to buy that pair of
boots or I don't know, have that

827
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,880
crazy meal.
And but I did, I had a, the

828
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,880
influence of you can
occasionally do those things,

829
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,400
but you also have to put this
aside.

830
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:40,560
So I and it, I feel for gig
workers that are like, I don't

831
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,080
have that kind of influence
because it, it's hard and you're

832
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,560
like, I work so hard.
I want to play hard to come on.

833
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,040
I believe it's not just our
industry.

834
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,880
I believe, you know, it's, it's
the world over now.

835
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,000
So we do a lot of things.
We work so much that we don't

836
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,800
have the time.
So I always use this as an

837
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,040
example.
So instead of sitting down and

838
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,720
reading a book, because we've
got time, we don't read a book

839
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,240
anymore.
We watch a movie, but we don't

840
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,400
even go to the movies anymore
because we can watch, we can

841
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,240
download it on, you know, on our
computers or whatever.

842
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Everything we we're doing is so
fast.

843
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,680
And we still as, as a humor, we
need this fix.

844
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,520
We need this fix of I've worked
so hard.

845
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,920
I deserve that I does and and we
do, we deserve that treat.

846
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,920
But when that the fine line of
deserving a treat goes into

847
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,360
well, actually, I've just done a
three month tour.

848
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,880
I've got no money to show for
it.

849
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,120
That's you know, that's where
you know, the the teaching comes

850
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,680
into it.
You know, the like the, the

851
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:52,360
education of finance of, of
guiding each person into OK,

852
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
let's look, look at COVID.
I mean, that messed up so many

853
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,960
people, myself included, you
know, there was no money.

854
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,320
There's no money coming in.
OK, I was fortunate.

855
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,560
I did have some savings, but it
soon ran out because I, you

856
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:16,600
know, so I've learned the hard
way and trying to guide yourself

857
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,720
into like, OK, save this, save
this.

858
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:23,000
I'm still not saving.
You know, I'm still, I mean, I

859
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,240
am, but then something will
happen, right?

860
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,560
You know, something will happen.
I mean, I had, I had some

861
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,960
savings and I mentioned earlier
that, you know, I look after

862
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,760
lots of stray cats and dogs.
Well, so far in the last two

863
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,760
weeks, I've basically spent $500
on cats and stray dogs that I

864
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,080
wasn't, I wasn't, that wasn't in
my budget of savings, right?

865
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,120
It wasn't there, but I'm not
going to not save them.

866
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,840
So I'm going to spend it.
And now I'm like, well, now my

867
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,960
savings are down.
And you know, if anything was to

868
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,920
happen now, so, but I've got to
realize that there's always

869
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,680
something, there's always
something that will happen

870
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,480
that's unexpected.
The unexpected tax bill that you

871
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:10,440
calculated to the dollar.
Oh my God, it's, it's more or

872
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,920
whatever it may be, it's always
more.

873
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,840
And that also can be a huge
strain.

874
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,120
I mean, I'm lucky.
I just have my husband and my

875
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,520
animals.
But if kids are involved,

876
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,680
mortgages are involved and you
need to pay, then you've got the

877
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,080
stress of this.
You know, I know some people

878
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,000
that go on tour literally
back-to-back.

879
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,200
I don't know how I, I, I really,
I, I have full admiration for

880
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,800
everybody that goes from
literally 1 tour straight into

881
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,520
another.
Mentally I couldn't do it, you

882
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,280
know, and you know, it's not
like financial things.

883
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,360
The hotels, we all stay in
amazing hotels, you know, they

884
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960
are luxurious.
They could be 4 star, five star,

885
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,360
They're fantastic.
But the hotel bar prices are

886
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:04,400
equally amazing.
So when you go at the end of the

887
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,160
night and you're like, OK, I'm
going to use my PDS and you buy

888
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,560
everyone around because that's
what you do.

889
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,040
And you're like, jeez, that was
about $200.

890
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,320
You know, there's only four of
us.

891
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Ready to go?
Yeah.

892
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,880
But yeah, so I think what's
yeah, that's all, all of those

893
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,680
financial obviously the with the
mental with with all of these

894
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:36,800
these topics that you're now
really bringing out for more

895
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,960
awareness.
I love the fact that you've

896
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,840
doing this gig tonight with main
light.

897
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,520
Main light is actually a sponsor
of geezers of gear.

898
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,880
I'm certainly yeah, So they so
I'm certainly going to do.

899
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,840
Maybe you can, I'll, I'll check
out your socials, but I'll, I'll

900
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,320
do something this week's saying
how it all went.

901
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,240
But I love that they're coming
on board.

902
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,240
So hopefully like more companies
will come on board because

903
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,760
they've got hubs, they've got
places, you know, and you can go

904
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,720
and do these, you know, maybe
it'll become, you know, not just

905
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,360
once a month or a couple of
evenings each month, you know,

906
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,880
companies really will start to
work with you and you know that

907
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,320
that that would just be
incredible.

908
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,760
But I wanted to ask you, so you
mentioned before about the

909
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,080
board, so who's actually who's
part of Echolife so.

910
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Sure.
So we have a board of directors.

911
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,200
We have a new board of directors
this year.

912
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,320
There are 17 of them.
Oh wow.

913
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:39,360
And they are all in.
Well, we have, we have two new

914
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,520
people that are not solely
industry professionals.

915
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,520
We have up until this year we've
only have people that are

916
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:52,200
working within the industry
that's, you know our vice chair

917
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:57,600
is Sharon Lee who is the owner
of High Road Trucking Company.

918
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:04,600
And then we have Brandon
Sossaman who is with C3 Presents

919
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,040
and some people that work with
the production Collective and

920
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,640
Bandit lights and clear the.
Global.

921
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,560
You know, and.
And then there's also audio

922
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,800
engineers and production
managers.

923
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:24,960
So we have a, we have a varied
board, but I think they're

924
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,200
really, the keen thing about it
is they all have this passion

925
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,800
for the industry because they
have come up in it in some

926
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,840
capacity.
So so yeah, we are.

927
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,000
We're lucky to have that many
eyes on the vision and the

928
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,000
mission for Echo Live this year.
And I also think a very

929
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:51,560
interesting piece, I've worked
with a lot of nonprofits and as

930
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:58,200
this nonprofit is solely backed
by industry like the sponsors

931
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,800
and the partnerships and
collaboration is all coming from

932
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:07,840
industry, There's not.
We did receive a very kind grant

933
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,240
from CMAS from the Country Music
Association this year to help

934
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,280
the mental health initiatives we
were.

935
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,360
We were just given that the
beginning of this in January.

936
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,120
But I.
Mean again, it's the Cmas they

937
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,280
are, they're still in our
industry, but it's all it's all

938
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:33,520
backed by people that see the
importance of these programmings

939
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,440
and getting people together and
supporting their mental health

940
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,360
and their balance and their
financial aptitudes and, and,

941
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,960
and they're putting their money
where they believe it's

942
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,120
important.
And and that is so encouraging.

943
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:52,200
I think that you know that
people see it and they reach out

944
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,280
to us and and main light was
great.

945
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,640
It was Chris Jones is who we've
been working with here at in

946
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,480
Nashville and he just started
showing up coming to the day

947
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,920
offs because he wanted to talk
more about how to support and

948
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,680
like who's out there and who
needs to talk to him and who

949
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,840
does he need to talk to.
And and it was his initiative to

950
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,800
be like, well, let us host
something.

951
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,440
We'd love to use our space for
that.

952
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:25,560
So and Rocket, Rocket Cargo
sponsored our one in December

953
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,480
and they were, you know, so kind
and generous to, to be able to

954
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:37,320
help us partner with another
nonprofit called for Nashville,

955
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:43,640
for the Nashville homeless
community, be able to, to

956
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:49,400
partner and bring awareness to
their to their organization.

957
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,520
So there's a lot of really fun
stuff percolating.

958
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,960
It's all coming from our
industry.

959
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,600
That is really so as far as
obviously we've had the, the,

960
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,720
the rebranding now is
everything.

961
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,520
Everything now is all literally
Echo Live is live and.

962
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,360
Go Live is live.
We're we're live.

963
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,760
New new website, new colours.
We're we're there.

964
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Brilliant.
I'll be sure to, I'll be sure

965
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,760
to, yeah, post, post everything
about that.

966
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,680
And when, when the podcast is
out, I'll make sure I've got all

967
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,920
the links to you.
So if anyone needs to sort of

968
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,960
like ask you anything, but I
want to go back to a a funny

969
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,080
story that you mentioned because
I love this.

970
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,920
You unexpectedly became a crowd
warm up for Tim and face soul to

971
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,680
soul.
How cool is that?

972
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,760
Tell me more performing on
coming out.

973
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,640
It was.
It was again, saying yes to the

974
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,040
things that you don't know what
you're saying yes to.

975
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,160
I was, I was appreciative out on
that tour, which meant that I

976
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,400
spent a lot of time in the
dressing rooms and, and, you

977
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:03,040
know, interfacing with, with
everybody, of course, but my

978
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,400
tour manager, because it's Tim
and faith is soul to soul.

979
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,520
It's huge arena show.
I mean, and we kept going into

980
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:17,200
these markets and the local DJs
were arguing about who would get

981
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,280
to warm up the crowd.
And my tour manager, in a moment

982
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,800
of innovation, was like, well, I
I'm tired of mitigating these

983
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,800
arguments.
Like he saw me and he said,

984
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,920
Carrie, you're good with people,
right?

985
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,080
And I said, yeah, he said, and
like, you have a degree in

986
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,840
performance, right?
And I was like, yeah, uh huh.

987
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,440
I just thought it was large
conversation.

988
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,840
And he said, OK, great.
Tonight, I'm going to need you

989
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,560
to get out there and warm up the
crowd.

990
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,560
And I like, I paused.
I was waiting for the punchline,

991
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,560
but I could tell that he was
serious and I was like, OK.

992
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,880
Oh my goodness, that was my
dream.

993
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,200
I mean.
And so I spent the rest of my

994
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,840
summer, I'd get a call.
We'd be right in the middle of,

995
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,400
you know, dinner service, right?
Because that's when everybody is

996
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,440
coming in and doing, right.
So I'm in the midst of

997
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,560
everything.
And I'd get a call and I would

998
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,840
have to drop everything, go to
wardrobe.

999
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,040
They'd Take Me Out of my grubby
clothes, put me in something

1000
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:22,160
sparkly and just push me out to
the stage and I'd get like 15

1001
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,880
minutes to.
Base What would you do?

1002
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,240
Well, the good thing was I've
been on the ground all day long,

1003
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,000
so I was talking to locals like
what's going on in your city

1004
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,360
right now?
What are the big things to see

1005
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,560
if I could make up something
funny or give them something,

1006
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,800
you know, to, to is there a song
that's popular right now for,

1007
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,400
you know, so things like in
Texas.

1008
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,560
And this one was, you know, kind
of an easy low hanging fruit.

1009
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:57,840
But I went out there and I said,
her teeth are bright, his pants

1010
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,040
are tight.
And then of course, everybody in

1011
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:07,680
the crowd, 35,000 people and,
and bless them, they were very

1012
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,440
kind to me.
Tim and Faith were both very

1013
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,320
sweet about this silly things
that came out of my mouth.

1014
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,760
But they they, they anytime I
mentioned Tim Mcgraw's pants,

1015
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:23,320
they crowd went crazy.
I spoke a lot more about his

1016
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,200
pants than I think is probably
right in the world.

1017
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,560
They loved it and it was silly
and it was all a good fun, but

1018
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:39,440
but yeah, it was, it was really
trippy, but it was a fun way to

1019
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,880
spend the summer And and I think
most of my crew got a ridiculous

1020
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,040
laugh over it because they would
see me on a regular basis.

1021
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,000
And then they're like, here's
Cara being the silliest thing

1022
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,560
for 15 minutes, but is wrong
with her.

1023
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,200
But it's good kind of relief, I
suppose.

1024
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,200
Yeah, I mean, just really, that
is just to be able to go on

1025
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,120
stage.
I mean, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be a

1026
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,200
nervous wreck, like thinking,
oh, God, am I gonna make anybody

1027
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,600
laugh?
Or do you know, do you do a

1028
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,720
dance?
Well, like, what do you do?

1029
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,640
And you know, and I love the
fact that he was in the middle

1030
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,080
of dinner service.
You get, of course, you gotta go

1031
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:19,760
now you go, you're on stage.
I don't know if you know Amber

1032
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,760
Williams.
She was on the show last week

1033
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,480
and she basically she's the
production assistant on for

1034
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,760
Alice Cooper.
And like the Hollywood vampires,

1035
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,920
I worked with David Davidian,
lovely guy.

1036
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,000
He's just absolutely amazing.
But she does similar things.

1037
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,320
So, you know, during the show,
she's she has to dress up and

1038
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,160
then she gets killed by
something on stage and then she

1039
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,120
runs off and she's back to being
like, you know, her normal role.

1040
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,800
And I'm like, that's just so
cool.

1041
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,800
Like really being part of really
part of the crew and the, and

1042
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,160
the show like, yeah, that's
really amazing.

1043
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,720
The closest thing I got to do
was on Coldplay.

1044
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,800
They they chucked the balloons
into the crowd.

1045
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,720
Yeah.
And that was a closest thing I

1046
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:08,560
ever did.
Strangely enough, I I have spent

1047
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:13,720
more time on those very weird
and ancillary play pieces on

1048
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:19,000
stages than expected.
And again, never thought that it

1049
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:24,560
would happen, but it sure did
like Neil Young had, he would

1050
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,880
bring the crew up on stage
during one of one of the anthem

1051
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,000
songs for like that.
He would always play it like

1052
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,840
farm Aid, you know, so it's like
we're holding in tools and

1053
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,960
instruments.
And, you know, Jack Johnson was

1054
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,680
really good about having his
crew up on stage, you know, and

1055
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,800
we were catering, so it was like
we were carrying dish mitts and

1056
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,240
towels.
You know, which reality you're

1057
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:56,399
like, well, strange choice, but
here we are all together, Better

1058
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,240
Together.
I don't know but.

1059
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,120
Really what like Better Together
just but that really makes you

1060
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,960
feel part of the team, like
really, you know, there's I

1061
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,080
often felt there's sometimes,
you know, a miss or I don't know

1062
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,760
what the word would be, you
know, caterers.

1063
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,319
Oh, you know, you're just the
catering, but really you get a

1064
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:22,040
good crew, you know, you're all
part of the team.

1065
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,000
You know, you're people will
help you.

1066
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,479
People will respect that.
Everything you know that, you

1067
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,760
know, without the fuel, you're
not going to work, you know, and

1068
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,319
and that's what I love about so
many of the artists that do

1069
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,439
include, you know, the catering
team to to different things.

1070
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,800
I think the worst experience I
ever had was actually sadly

1071
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,120
within America, but it we were
somebody thought that we were

1072
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,880
locals and they were so rude to
us.

1073
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:53,640
And we had our crew basically go
up to this person and they're

1074
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,280
like, why did, why, why did you
talk to them like that?

1075
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,120
And they they literally went,
Oh, they're local.

1076
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,560
It doesn't matter.
He went, doesn't matter if

1077
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,160
they're local or not.
You don't talk to anybody like

1078
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,040
that.
And everybody had our back the

1079
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,200
next minute.
I mean, I swear this promise all

1080
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,640
my life that I had so many like,
guys, are you OK?

1081
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,920
We've spoken to the person that
was rude.

1082
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,080
We've done this.
We've done that.

1083
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,600
Everybody had our backs, you
know, And that that makes it

1084
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,600
really nice.
But one thing I do really,

1085
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,080
really like about what, like you
sort of information you sent

1086
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,960
over to me is your motto for
life.

1087
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:34,400
And that don't shrink bloom.
So what does that mean to you?

1088
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,320
And yeah, how can others?
How can others usual guidance?

1089
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:44,360
Sure, thank you.
I, I grew up on a farm and I've

1090
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,040
spent a lot of time digging in
the dirt.

1091
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:51,440
So I, I tend to have a lot of
analogies about planting seeds

1092
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:56,320
or roots or, but one thing that
throughout my life,

1093
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:01,400
consistently, I've noticed that
the best growth, the most

1094
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:06,520
rewarding choices that I've
made, I can always feel that

1095
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,200
precipice of, you know, you're
about to do something that's

1096
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,000
brave and scary and you really
only have two choices.

1097
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,920
You can either move forward into
it, which is what I call

1098
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:23,200
blooming, or you can shrink back
and, and just not really lean

1099
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,560
into those moments.
And I've done both throughout my

1100
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,160
life.
But I have noticed that each

1101
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,720
time that I bloom into a
situation that I really lean

1102
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,160
into it.
That's where the most reward has

1103
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,320
been.
And it's terrifying, but so

1104
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,800
rewarding.
So I in, in my life, I've

1105
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,480
adopted the don't shrink bloom
motto.

1106
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,240
And, and it really mentally,
when I get to a space where I'm

1107
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,600
like, Oh, I'm so terrified of
what I'm doing right now, I just

1108
01:11:54,680 --> 01:12:00,880
say it to myself and, and it's,
it's, but it's always paid off.

1109
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,400
It's crazy.
It, it doesn't always look the

1110
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,280
way that I anticipated or
expected that it might, but the

1111
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,800
rewards that come are in, in so
many different small ways that

1112
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,920
really accumulate to something
bigger.

1113
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,720
And so I just, I remind myself
in those moments of that.

1114
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,000
Yeah, I know.
That's great.

1115
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,720
I mean, I actually, you say
about a seed, I always say if I

1116
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,960
had to have no idea.
So I'm just planting the seed,

1117
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,480
OK, I'm planting the seed and,
you know, hopefully it'll grow

1118
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,240
and we'll see.
And you know, someone will say,

1119
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,160
well, you know what, what,
what's it going to look like?

1120
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,040
I was like, I don't know yet.
I've just found a seed.

1121
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,400
I'm just planting it, just going
to see where it goes.

1122
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,920
And, you know, it's a great,
great way to yeah, to look at

1123
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,200
things.
And just before, because I know

1124
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,920
I've, we've, we've got over an
hour now and I know you've got

1125
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,720
an amazing gig to get to, but
really, what advice would you

1126
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,120
give?
Let's say, I mean, I always, I

1127
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,360
try and say to, you know, the
new generation, young people

1128
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,640
coming in, but not just the boys
and the girls, but the girls as

1129
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,520
well, you know, like how, what
advice would you give?

1130
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:14,160
What experiences have you seen
over the years that you feel you

1131
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,680
could say forget about that or
just, you know, focus on this?

1132
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,960
Yeah, what, what kind of what
guidance would you give to young

1133
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:28,000
people coming into our industry?
I think the number one piece

1134
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,160
would be to ask questions and
make sure that they're your

1135
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,840
questions.
There's so much information

1136
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,400
that's out there at your
fingertips.

1137
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,200
You can formulate the questions
that feel right for how you want

1138
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,440
to work, how you want to show
up, what you want to do in this

1139
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:50,520
industry.
So really being able to do your

1140
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,560
research and show up and ask the
questions that are important to

1141
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,600
you because there's so much out
there.

1142
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,960
There's so many different ways
that you can work in this

1143
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,520
industry.
You got to be focused on what

1144
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,880
really speaks to you and how you
want to work in this industry.

1145
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,760
And and if you show up to have
those conversations, make a

1146
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,080
phone call to someone that you
think would never answer a phone

1147
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:22,000
call or show up to a networking
event where it feels practically

1148
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,960
impossible, but you do it and
you do those hard pieces and

1149
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,880
something's going to come up
from it.

1150
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,640
So to me, I think it comes back
to that.

1151
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,560
Don't shrink bloom, but it's
like do the hard things that

1152
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,280
seem almost impossible and you
just don't know what what you're

1153
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:47,080
going to pull back from that and
do your homework and maybe

1154
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:54,320
number maybe #1 is just show up.
You know, just show up for it

1155
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,880
because there will always be
something in those opportunities

1156
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:04,080
that you're going to learn or
get some insight from or make a

1157
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,800
connection in a network piece
that you couldn't have

1158
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,520
anticipated.
No, I completely agree

1159
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,920
completely.
Well, I can't thank you enough

1160
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,800
for coming on.
And what Echo Live is doing is

1161
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,120
really incredible and it's
something that the industry

1162
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,320
really needs.
You know, I truly love

1163
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,000
everything, every part of it.
And I always try and share as

1164
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,440
many posts and events that
you've got coming up.

1165
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,400
I'll make sure to put your, your
e-mail address for anyone that

1166
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,960
needs to contact you.
So, yeah, so anyone out there

1167
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,800
that has been listening to this
echo live, you know, you can go

1168
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,840
to the website, go to everything
now contact Cara.

1169
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,840
And basically part of this,
yeah, this amazing, incredible

1170
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,560
foundation.
And that's not just for general

1171
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,200
people as such that need help,
but that's what businesses, if

1172
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,440
you want to get involved, if you
have space and you want to

1173
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,640
organise an event, you know,
contact Cara.

1174
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,040
I'm just throwing the outlet by
my car.

1175
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,920
I don't know if that was OK.
For sure.

1176
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,560
Not really.
And you know, spread, spread the

1177
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,200
word.
I mean, you've got a lot of

1178
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,880
people on your board, you know,
you've got a lot of connections

1179
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,760
and it really is just a matter
of just keep on spreading,

1180
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,040
spreading the word, getting the
connections out, getting the

1181
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,920
connections working together.
And I think you're a perfect fit

1182
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,360
for everything you're doing.
So thank you and thank you for

1183
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,360
coming on the show.
Thank you so much for having us

1184
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,880
with it's it is an honor to be
able to step into this space

1185
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,040
with you, to get to know you a
little bit more, but also just

1186
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,680
to be able to share the one
other piece about echo lives.

1187
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:54,400
We really, we gravitated to the
metaphor of an echo of what you

1188
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,720
are sending out there.
We'll also come back to you in

1189
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,520
different ways.
So any time that we can connect

1190
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,120
like this, it is another echo.
It is another ripple effect.

1191
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,200
So thank you so much for having
us.

1192
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,640
I love it.
Thank you.

1193
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,120
And we'll be in touch by e-mail
for sure.

1194
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,640
OK.
Thank you, Cara.

1195
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:30,880
Bye.
Now here's the leading ladies by

1196
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:37,320
Geezers of Gear on tour.
Maybe she got some stories to

1197
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,800
share.
Now here's the leading ladies by

1198
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:48,320
the Geezers of Gear, Rockstar
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1199
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:53,040
share.
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1200
01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:03,880
ladies.
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1201
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,320
ladies.
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1202
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:19,840
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geezers of kids, Rockstar ladies

1203
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,000
for some stories to share.
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