#285 - Kristin Rinden - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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So I've just finished recording
a podcast with Kristen Rindon.

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Hope I said that right.
A fabulous lady.

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I'm honoured to have her on the
Leading Ladies podcast.

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She is a production coordinator,
Production manager.

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She started in the industry well
over 25 years ago.

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Maybe, maybe longer.
I can't quite work that one out.

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Fabulous lady, great chat,
thoroughly enjoyed talking about

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from mental health to the work
she does in the industry, how

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she got into the industry, what
she thinks the industry's like.

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You name it, we covered
everything and I really, really

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enjoyed it.
So I hope you do too.

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make a special mention to Light

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Hello and welcome to episode 285

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with me Sarah Burnie, host of
The Leading Ladies.

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What news do I have for you this
month?

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Well, it's been absolutely
hectic.

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I'm now in the UK.
As you can see, it's not my

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normal backdrop.
I am actually my auntie's

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visiting basically over
Christmas.

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First time in many, many years
I've actually been back.

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Very fortunate to be here
because we've just returned from

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Las Vegas.
So we were actually there for 10

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days now, Marcelo said to me,
Sarah, 10 days is far too long

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in Vegas.
And yes, it was, but then no, it

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wasn't.
There's still so many things

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that we would love to go back
and do, especially the hikes

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that are quite close by really.
There's so many incredible

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things that we would like to do.
We did the usual touristy parts

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as well, which was great.
And the main reason while I was

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there was because of LDI.
So first time at LDI, absolutely

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loved it.
You can check out Marcel and

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Myself's LDI review on Geez of
the Gear.

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I think it's episode 283, so I
won't chat too much about that

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now, but absolutely loved it.
Organizing the vents, dining

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with dinosaurs.
I've met some incredible people

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and just very, very fortunate to
be able to go over to Las Vegas.

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I don't leave the island a lot.
I think the last time, well

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actually you know, I did leave
the island for Blink 182 which

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was in end of August.
But apart from that I hadn't

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actually left my beautiful
island of Crete for about two

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years.
So really I, you know, I just

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happy, happy and Crete.
But it is also nice at the same

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time to leave the island.
We had a couple of days in

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London, over to Las Vegas and
now here in the UK for Christmas

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and then next week I will be
back home with my two dogs and

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however many cats are in the
garden right now.

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This next lady, Kristen,
absolutely incredible.

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We said actually at the end of
the podcast that we didn't

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really get chance to talk a lot.
So I met Kristen on Blink 182

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and she was so busy production
coordinator, being mom to

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absolutely everybody.
So we didn't really get time to

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talk apart from them.
I think my very last day I was

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like, would you please come on
my podcast?

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And anyway, she said yes.
We've been in sort of

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communications since then.
And right before Christmas, it's

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now the 20th of December, We've
managed to get together, record

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what I think is a really, really
wonderful podcast.

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Kristen has started off in the
marketing world for I can't

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remember what brand now, but for
a toilet paper company, going

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into Coca-Cola, going into Pop
Tarts, then a flamenco dancer, I

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mean, come on, that's just
amazing.

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Spent one year in Spain before
coming back into the touring

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world basically as Rd. manager
through to wardrobe, Production

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coordinator, production manager,
you name it, she's been there

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and really is the nicest, nicest
lady you can ever wish to be.

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Not only in life to meet, but
just if.

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If, if, you know, if she's your
mum on the tour, then you are

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very, very lucky and you can
pretty much guarantee that

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you're going to have a very
safe, secure and, yeah, a

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wonderful tour.
Basically everything that she's

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been saying and everything she's
been talking about really kind

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of like hits home to how we can
do stuff, how we should do

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stuff, how we should be in, in
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You know, one of her mottos is
basically, you know, give 100%,

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you know, for that day and do
the best you can, you know,

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which is goes without saying.
You know, some days you'll have,

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you know, a little low day, a
little high day, but just always

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make sure you can do the very
best for that day.

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And, you know, be kind, be kind.
And I think a lot of people that

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I have on the show here, you
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all say is be kind, you know,
treat people with respect and

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you'll get respect back.
Well, again, you'd like to hope

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so, but it's not about always
receiving, it's about giving.

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So I'm a big believer in that.
Kristen is a big believer in

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that as well.
You know, no job is beneath any

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of us.
You know, if you have to tidy

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something up, you tidy.
If you have to push a box, you

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go push it.
You know, if it makes the team

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happier, be that team player.
Obviously you've got to do your

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job, whichever department you're
in, you know, you've got to

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focus on that.
But if you do have some spare

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time, you know, or reach out to
someone, are you feeling OK?

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You know, so we spoke about the
mental health of touring.

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Really, it's been a fabulous
talk.

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I'm so happy I grabbed Kristen
at the end of the Blink 182 tour

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because, you know, I got to know
a lot more about her.

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I really hope that you enjoy
this episode just as much as I

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have.
And so basically, that's all

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that's left to say is please
welcome Kristen to the podcast.

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Hello, Kristen, how are you?
Welcome.

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Leading ladies, thank you for
having me.

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An absolute pleasure for those
of you that are listening.

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I met Kristen on Blink 182 tour
and when I say a tour, how long

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was it?
It was a one week leg in Ireland

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and Scotland it.
Was a pretty sure, I would think

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it was like 2 weeks that for
that leg but I guess but blink

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had been going on for like 2
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I'd been with them from like the
beginning of last year, so kind

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of halfway through their entire
two year.

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Yep, you're back.
OK.

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Let's try it.
OK, so third time lucky,

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Seriously, you know, get me on
the ground somewhere, not on

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Internet stuff.
I hate it.

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But then I say that then.
But my jobs are always remote

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and I'm here at my auntie's at
the moment in the UK because I

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was very fortunate to go to LDI
and I was planning well, I, I

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did end up working when I was in
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I was there for 10 days and I
was like, you know, the

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internet's going to be amazing
because in Crete it's, it's

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good.
But it, you know, it's not as

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fast as the UK Internet.
It's, it's brilliant.

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But when we rocked up to the
hotel, the Internet was like,

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all it did was a circle of doom
the whole time.

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And I told my boss Marcel, I was
like myself, I cannot work like

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it.
It's literally like I can't do

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anything.
I went to the reception,

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literally nothing.
And I said, you know, is this,

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is this normal?
And they were like, yeah.

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And I was like, no way.
Like I was expecting, you know,

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America to be like the Internet
of speed and, and really.

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And there was a lovely man in in
Vegas called James.

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And he actually, well, he'd
message Marcel to say that I he

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could give me a dongle and I'm
expecting like just a little

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pocket thing.
Well, he rocks up with literally

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a little tiny, like, what do you
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A proper case, You know, like
like a touring case.

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With AI mean?
Seriously.

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And I was like, wow, OK, I
wasn't expecting that, but I

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managed to work when I was in
Vegas, so that that that was a

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good.
Thing, well, like you used to be

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able to plug it, remember, like
old, like Ethernet cables, but

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it's like you hardly have that
option anymore.

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It's like Wi-Fi works or it
doesn't.

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So yeah.
Exactly.

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And as I said, I mean, living in
Crete, more often than not, you

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know, if I go to a hotel or
something to work remotely, I'm

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like, no Internet like.
I know it's like water and air,

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you know, it's like you can't
live without it.

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Seriously.
And I was walking around Vegas

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and you know, it's fine when
you're walking around in home or

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here in England because you
know, you've got your phone, you

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can answer anything, you can
keep on top of everything.

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You know, because we all do.
When we're out, we keep on top

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of everything.
Yeah, non-stop.

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I literally had 0 Internet so
then I'd be like well am I

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missing anything?
And then I we would.

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Jump on the on the bus.
What was it called?

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The Deuce Bus.
And they had the best Internet,

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so I'd find myself working on
the Deuce Bus.

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That's wild.
Usually bus Internet is

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terrible, so that's impressive.
Yeah.

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So for those of you that are
listening, I met Kristen on

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Blink 182 and that was back in
when was that October.

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August.
Was it end of August like

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August?
Yeah, it was end of August.

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Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, maybe.

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Yeah.
Because it was, Yeah, I flew

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home like right before my
birthday.

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So yeah, it was the end of
August.

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And that was like our last like
leg of the tour.

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Yeah.
Sure leg in the UK, but yeah.

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You had a break, so you you
joined the tour last year.

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I joined in January of last of
this year.

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This year, I guess it's still
2024.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This year, January.

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And because this last leg, it
was only like 2 weeks, it was

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yeah, 10 days for the last,
last, last few like say gigs,

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but that was because they were
cancelled a year back was that?

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That's true.
So when they start, they started

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their, I mean, this has been
sort of a two year cycle for

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them.
So they started in 2023 and they

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cancelled a few shows, I know in
South America because of I think

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Travis got injured on his hand.
And then I believe they

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cancelled a few guests in the
Uki don't remember why, but that

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was supposed to happen last year
and then they just tacked it on

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to this final.
I think, I believe only because

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I think somebody told me, was it
Trevor's had a baby or not him.

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But he did have a baby.
Maybe that's, oh, that's what it

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was.
Yeah, I wasn't there.

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But that's what it was.
He yes, he flew home to have the

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baby.
That's yeah, which is, you know,

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and then it's great to see.
I mean the, I mean, I only

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joined it for it was four days
that I was with you guys.

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Yes, yes.
And I finally got to hire this

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catering company that that I've
been trying to hire for years.

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And yeah, and we got you for
four days.

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Yeah, because I had a call from
Pete and he was like, Sarah, you

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know, what's your availability?
And I was like, well, I need to

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check with Marcel, my boss from
this.

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And he was like, well, you know,
it's full.

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Like it's four days.
It'll be about a week, you know,

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a week away from Crete.
And I used to work well, the

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last time I worked on a tour for
this catering company, Rockfall

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Tour Catering.
Yes, Rockfall was before COVID,

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and I haven't done anything
since.

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That was my first tour back,
Yeah.

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Right.
That's right.

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Yeah, yeah.
And so for me, you know, you

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know, it was so nice to get a
phone call.

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And I was like, yeah, I'd love
to go back.

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And I remember rocking up to
the, like, the first gig and I

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was like, Oh my God.
Like I haven't done this since.

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Do I remember what to do?
Well.

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I mean, that's how I was after
COVID.

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I was like, I don't remember.
Do I remember?

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Am I getting?
Oh God, what am I forgetting?

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Not necessarily, you know, like
I was doing all the dressing

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rooms and it's not, you know,
it's not rocket science.

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You know, you go through a list,
you put it in and that's it.

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But I do like to be organized.
So when you're going into a rig

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that's not yours, you've got
everything all over and somebody

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else's ideas of how it's going
to work.

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I was like, Oh my God.
And then like just being on the

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feet for like 15 hours.
I was like, I'm just not used to

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this take me back to.
But everybody, I mean, was so

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nice.
The crew were just lovely.

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Yeah, we had a really, really
great crew.

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It was a really good vibe that
whole tour.

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You don't always get that.
And this one was really, really

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nice.
And I think it's just because

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the band is great and tour
manager solely is great,

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management is great.
They're all just they care, you

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know, And I think it's means
like, it makes such a huge

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difference.
I think when you are on tour,

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especially because you know,
we've become a family, you know,

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and you've when you've got
people that you can rely on and

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you know, even the security
guys, they were so nice.

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To me, oh, they're the best.
You can always tell when the

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security guy is like really good
at his job because he's like the

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nicest guy, like calm, nice, and
then, you know, because they're

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just like, you know, experts
that they're gay.

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I don't know why, but that's
the.

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Way it is, I mean, I started
like in the like in the on the

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catering side for touring.
And if you've got, I mean, I've

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had lots of different
experiences, you know, and if

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especially if you're doing a
short well, like this, a short

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tour, some, you know, some tours
that come through really aren't

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nice to you because they don't
think they're going to see you

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again, you know, so they're you
know, it's right like that.

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That sounds horrible, but
they're just like, and I

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understand that because people,
you know, you're you're

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travelling all the time.
But one thing you know, that

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you'd mentioned, you know, is,
is be kind and respectful, you

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know, and that's what that's the
first thing I noticed with the

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whole crew was straight away.
It was welcome guys, you know,

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you know, I hear you're with us
for this week and again, you

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know, it's one week, you know,
maybe I'll never see anybody

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again.
Maybe I'll see you, who knows?

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Right, right.
But it's so nice and it's

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refreshing to see a tour like
that.

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Yeah, but I think it's really
important.

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I mean, touring is such a
special beast and it really can

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take a lot out of you, right?
And so, but would also so that

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like community and that family
is really important, especially

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when you do get that, but also
just understanding that every

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job is important, like every
job, truck drivers, bus drivers,

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the front of house guy, you
know, backstage catering,

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whatever.
And so it's like, I think it's,

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it's much making everybody feel
like as important as they should

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be and like welcomed.
And even if it is for a day or

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two days, like that's that's the
key, you know, to like having a

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good tour and a good vibe.
For sure.

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No, I, I completely agree.
I mean, but that's in general, I

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think with life, you know, it
doesn't matter what you do, you

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know, respect people, be nice,
you know, you, you, you, you

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know, you hope that you know,
that will be sort of given back

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to you, or at least you're going
to spread the spread, spread the

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love, let's say, and, you know,
create that nice environment,

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that nice, you know, happy
feeling.

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I mean, even, I mean, we, I know
none of our team sort of went to

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the party, but even, you know,
the end of season, end of tour

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party you guys have had, you
know, there was still an e-mail,

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still a WhatsApp message.
Guys, you know, I know you've

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not been on the tour long, but
please come, blah, blah.

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Again, nobody had to do that,
you know, but sadly we didn't go

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because I I can't do both now.
Going out and getting up in the

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morning.
Yeah.

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Right.
And like, yeah, if you guys have

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to get up at like super early,
you have to give us breakfast.

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So yeah, you're in bed early.
But no, so that was that was

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like amazing.
But so how do you find?

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Well, I don't even know where to
start really.

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Where are you now?
So that let's start with that

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where.
OK, So I'm in Sunriver, Oregon,

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where I live, it's like 15
minutes South of Bend, OR, which

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is probably more popular.
More people know where that is

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sort of in Central Oregon.
It kind of got super popular

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over the pandemic.
Everybody started moving here

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just like a lot of places in the
United States, like a lot of

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places in the United States that
are tourist type towns, you

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know, like lakes and mountains
and whatever.

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Those sort of got infiltrated
during the pandemic because

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everybody was trying to get out
of the city.

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They're like, oh, I can work
from home now.

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So I'm going to move to this
place that I could never live

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for live at before because, you
know, there was no industry or

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whatever.
I have to be at my office in

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California or whatever.
So.

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So yeah.
So there's a lot more music

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coming through now.
There's a lot more, you know,

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awareness of it on the map.
So yeah.

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So it's kind of a, it's a small
town that's got a lot of hype

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around it right now.
But I moved from Bend because I

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thought it was too insane.
Not it's like 100,000 people,

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but like a 2018 down to
Sunriver, which is like closer

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to the mountains and closer to
the lakes.

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And I live in the woods and I
love it because when I'm not

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touring, I just want to be like
on vacation sort of right.

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And like away from everyone.
There's like 2000 people in my

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little area.
And I'm just like, I build

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fires, you know, I split wood.
I love it.

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Oh, amazing.
Seriously.

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That sounds, I mean, that's what
I used to do when I, when I was

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touring or you know, any other
travelling job that I've had,

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you know, I always used to go
back to Crete.

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That was my nothing, go back to
nothing.

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And it's, it's crazy to think
that one minute you are on the

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road like, like we're saying 18
hours a day, you know, yes, the

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travelling, the tour buses and
this and that.

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And then you go home and then
you just hear the birds or you

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hear.
Yes, and, and it's like quiet

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time and like, you know, you're
with people 24/7 basically for

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months at a time, you know, and
then it's like, OK, and then

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you're about good for that for
like a week.

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And then you, you know, when you
have nothing else to do, like

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you go home.
You're like, I need like at

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least a week.
And then after a week you're

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like, what do I do with myself?
What's my purpose?

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You know, it's like you used to
like going like non-stop.

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It's it's, it's such a mind.
I used to feel very, I used to

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obviously really look forward to
going home, but then when I was

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home at one point I couldn't, I
couldn't adjust myself to the

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quiet lifestyle, even just, you
know, friends and all the rest

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of it.
I had to have really like on my

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own just to decompress from
like, you know, the tour.

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But then I felt kind of lonely
because there was nobody in a

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room next door or I wasn't going
to bump you.

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Well, OK, different because
you're going to bump into

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friends.
But you know, you knew wherever

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you're on a tour, you're going
to be, you're going to jump,

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you're going to bump into
somebody, you know, or you know

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that above you or next to you,
there's there's a crew member.

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Yeah, exactly.
And then when you come home,

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it's like, OK, like, you don't
want to hang out with anybody at

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first because you just want to
be alone.

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And then you're like, oh, where
is everyone?

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What should I do today?
Like, what?

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What do I do?
Yeah.

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But I think it's lovely to be,
yeah, to be in the woods.

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I mean, do you have any animals?
No, because I'm never.

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I mean I'm probably gone.
I would say on average 8 months

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a year.
Wow, OK.

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Sometimes 9, sometimes a little
less, but it's.

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Not practical.
It's not feasible.

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No.
I would love to.

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And there's plenty of dogs in
the neighborhood that come over

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and visit me that I am here.
But yeah.

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But it's, you know, one of these
days I'll be able to have like,

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a domesticated life.
Well, you say that I think,

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well, I mean, I've changed now,
but I think somebody's just in

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people's blood to just keep on
doing it, you know, keep on

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doing it.
It's hard, It's hard to get out.

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It's like Stockholm syndrome.
It's like you hate it when

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you're out, 'cause you're like,
I just want to be home.

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I just want, I mean, you love
it, but then you're like sick of

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it and you want to be home.
But then when you're home you're

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like, I just want to be out
again.

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It's like, it's crazy, you know?
That, you know, that, you know,

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feeling of or especially that
feeling of, oh, am I going to

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get work?
And then you don't know if

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you're going to get work and
then you get work and then you

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love it.
Then you go and then you're

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halfway through and you want to
be home.

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But then when you get home, you
kind of like, well, when am I

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going out on another tour?
So it's emotionally, I think

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touring is crazy.
It's crazy.

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It's not normal.
No, it's not a normal lifestyle

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at all.
And it's not.

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The touring world is just very
lucky to have yourself and all

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the other people out there that
want this crazy lifestyle.

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But how did you actually get
into touring?

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That's why I wouldn't.
So I OK, so I actually started

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off, I have to start from the
beginning.

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So I started off doing event
marketing.

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So experiential marketing,
right?

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So a lot of that you could say
like a lot of, I don't if you've

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been on a tour before where they
were like sponsors from like,

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you know, companies or whatever
that, you know, do like

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activation and concourse.
So I before I even did that, I

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started my career on a tour for
Charmin toilet paper.

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Yeah.
And like 21 and I had a partner

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named Tex and there were these
teams of two in like a 14 foot

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box truck.
And we like drove all around the

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country going to the like
largest state fairs.

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And for a week before the fair
started, me and Tex would

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completely redo a freestanding
bathroom, right?

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So we would make it charminized.
So we put in, you know, toilet

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paper dispensers and like air
fresheners and like waves

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coating and like put banners all
over the place.

441
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,680
And so it was like a really nice
restroom for your family to go

442
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,560
to the bathroom at when you're
at the State Fair, which is

443
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,440
usually a pretty gross place to
go to bed.

444
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,600
So, so then after we did that
and got it all ready, I and my

445
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,520
partner were bathroom attendants
for the duration of the fair.

446
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:21,680
So yeah, it's it's ridiculous.
I mean, when carnies start

447
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,320
making fun of your job, like
then, you know, like you've

448
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,160
reached any low.
But but I can tell you after

449
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,280
spending days and days and days
in the bathroom, cleaning a

450
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,040
bathroom, restocking in the
bathroom, it's like, I think it

451
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,320
was maybe the perfect job to
start off because it's like I to

452
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,840
this day feel like there's
nothing that I'm going to be

453
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,400
asked to do that I'm above,
right?

454
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:50,520
So I will help anybody do any
job because any job is important

455
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,000
at the end of the day, right?
And I think that's really helped

456
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,440
me be a better person and a
better also a better boss and a

457
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,680
better worker.
You know, when I'm on the road,

458
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,000
just like I'm setting a good
example and it was like, it's

459
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,760
like nobody would do this job.
You know, I plunged so many

460
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,920
toilets I've got.
I mean, but I had to have

461
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240
tetanus shots to do this job.
It was disgusting, right?

462
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:16,120
OK, so after this year of this,
I moved into the office and I

463
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,680
started doing running programs
from the office.

464
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:25,480
So I wasn't on the road anymore.
So but we started doing, I got

465
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,880
an account for Kellogg's and
Kellogg's was Kellogg says Pop

466
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,320
Tarts, of course, is one of
their brands.

467
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,840
And Pop Tarts was sponsoring
American Idols Live at the time

468
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,080
when it was like really big,
right?

469
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,920
So I think I started the maybe
the year of Fantasia, which

470
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,120
moves maybe the second or third
season and Carrie Underwood and

471
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:50,000
like a very in the beginning.
And so the show was on and then

472
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,960
the top 10 contestants went on a
tour that summer.

473
00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:00,480
So and they would do arenas.
So we were on that tour doing

474
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,520
this whole like pre show and
post show activation around pop

475
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520
tarts right?
So how?

476
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Do you include pop tarts into
into the tool tool like?

477
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,720
So yeah, so like they came up
with these ideas of having like

478
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,760
karaoke in like the concourse
before the show started.

479
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,960
And it would all be like
sponsored by Pop Tarts and Pop

480
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Tarts banners everywhere.
And then after the show, there

481
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,920
would be push activation where
we would sample obviously Pop

482
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,720
Tarts as the crowd was leaving
the show.

483
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:40,720
So and of course, the the tour
was was officially called Pop

484
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Tarts sponsors American Idols
Live, right?

485
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680
So it's all sort of like
intertwined into whatever.

486
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,760
And so that went on for a couple
of years actually.

487
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,920
And my brother was working with
me at the company at the same

488
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,800
time and he was he was actually
doing the activation.

489
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,360
I was in and out.
We had our own tour bus and

490
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,280
everything.
And the one thing that we did do

491
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:12,800
because notoriously tours hate
to deal with sponsors, like just

492
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,760
hate it like they're like this
other like leg of people like,

493
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,560
you know, that have to be on
board.

494
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,840
We have to deal with them like
during and whatever.

495
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:29,480
So we just, we just made it our
like mission to be as easy and

496
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,720
is accommodating to AEG, who
were who was the promoter at the

497
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,800
time on tour as possible.
And I think we did a good enough

498
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,680
job because they ended up
accepting us as part of the

499
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,320
tour, which is kind of unheard
of.

500
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,800
And we actually had a really
good relationship and it ended

501
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840
up being a lot of fun.
So anyway, I left to go to a

502
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,320
different company and my brother
had stayed and he ended up being

503
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080
like director of operations for
that company.

504
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,400
And he was doing these tours and
AEG just loved him and so did

505
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,280
management at the time.
So they eventually asked him

506
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,480
just to be the road manager for
the idols like, which is crazy.

507
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Like going from a sponsorship
position to oh, hey, can you,

508
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,680
can you Rd. manage the idols?
Right.

509
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920
And I was still somewhere else.
And then they asked him if he

510
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,720
would be tour manager, which is
insane, right?

511
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,720
So, so I was living in Spain at
the time.

512
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,080
I was, I was a full mango dancer
for a hot minute.

513
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,280
Well, for a minute in my life.
Didn't know that one, no.

514
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,480
Yeah, that.
Wasn't on your CV so.

515
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,600
So I was doing it on marketing
for a while and I was like, I

516
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,160
can't do this anymore.
Like I don't care about how much

517
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,400
money Coke makes.
Like, because at the time I was

518
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,760
working for Coca-Cola at another
company and I had done the

519
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,040
rollout for Vitamin Water, Smart
water and Powerade when that

520
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,840
became really big, like in like
kind of the mid 2000s.

521
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,640
And so we were doing sampling
teams across the country doing

522
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,040
that.
And I just decided like, I

523
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,240
can't, I don't care.
I don't care anymore.

524
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320
And they wanted me to start
making like speeches and going

525
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,240
to like conferences about event
marketing.

526
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,320
And I'm like, I don't, I don't
really care about it.

527
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,680
I just like doing the budgeting
and the organization and like

528
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,240
the operations part.
It's not like I'm not really

529
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,280
interested in the marketing
aspect anyway.

530
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120
So I quit.
I was like, I need some.

531
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,320
I moved to Spain to study
flamenco as like sort of like a

532
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,400
whereabouts in Spain sabbatical.
I was mostly in Madrid.

533
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,160
That's where I was based because
there's a school there called

534
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,000
the Morte Dios, which is kind of
a famous school that you can

535
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,360
kind of come in and out of at
any time.

536
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,240
But I was also down in the South
because that's really where, you

537
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,680
know, most of like the flamenco.
Flamenco is sort of whatever, so

538
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,080
I was kind of going to.
Go off to be like, go to India

539
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,280
and do a yoga retreat, but you
went to Spain to Yeah.

540
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Exactly.
Exactly.

541
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Yeah.
Charge re re evaluate.

542
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,040
You know what?
Right.

543
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Want to do?
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,480
Incredible.
Exactly.

545
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,920
So then how was she doing this
for?

546
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,520
I was there for about a year, a
little, maybe a little less than

547
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,240
a year, yeah.
And then my brother was like,

548
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,120
hey, come work for me, I need
somebody to run sponsorship.

549
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,720
And I was like, of course, yeah.
So I just dropped everything and

550
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120
went on tour for three months
and.

551
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,280
And it was with.
Idol.

552
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200
The American Idol.
Yes, it was with American Idol,

553
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:50,440
Yeah.
And then after that, I think I

554
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,440
did.
I think I was a runner for a

555
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,240
couple things in LA not.
Really.

556
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Vegas.
You did a Vegas residency.

557
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Who was that?
That was for?

558
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,680
That was with Backstreet.
That was with.

559
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Backstreet.
How long was you in Vegas for?

560
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,240
I was in Vegas on and off.
So you're usually like in a

561
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,480
three-week increments, right And
then there's like a month or two

562
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,320
in between.
So I was there, we did like it

563
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,280
was kind of over a year span.
So I think I was there for three

564
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,200
to four weeks, maybe three to
four times that year.

565
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,320
Yeah.
How did you find that coming

566
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,160
from living for your beautiful
woods?

567
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,920
I can picture it now, by the
way.

568
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,160
It's not.
Yeah.

569
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,640
And then?
It's not my fave.

570
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,240
It's not my fave.
I like the aspect of Vegas,

571
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,080
like, you know, it's on 24/7 all
the time.

572
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,880
It's great.
But it's like when you go there,

573
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,720
you're usually there for like,
you know, when people are going

574
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,280
there, they're like there for 48
hours or like, you know, a few

575
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,720
days.
And so they're just like on

576
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,960
level 10 all the time, like, you
know, And so I had stayed like

577
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,040
actually had put us up and,
well, they were doing the

578
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
residency of Planet Hollywood,
which is Zappos Theater.

579
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,320
And we stayed at the Planet
Hollywood, which was not great

580
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,560
because we're like just getting
maneuvering through the hotel in

581
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,719
from the show.
It's like everybody's like drunk

582
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,400
and partying and crazy.
And I'm just like, I just wanna

583
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,320
hide.
Yeah.

584
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,159
So I mean, it's great,
residencies are great because

585
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,480
you do one load in and one load
out, right?

586
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,760
And then you do like a Wednesday
show, a Friday and a Saturday

587
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,080
show.
That's kind of typically how it

588
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,239
goes and it's great.
And then but all these other

589
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:41,280
days you're sitting there in
Vegas like not do you know you

590
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,159
can only go out and spend so.
Much money, I said.

591
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,760
We've just come back and we had
two days.

592
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,199
My boss was like, Sarah, you,
you know, 10 days, it's, it's

593
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,639
too long.
And I was like, well, actually,

594
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,520
you know, we've got the trade
show in the middle.

595
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,160
I've got a couple of days either
side.

596
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,640
I want to go to the Grand
Canyon.

597
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,920
I want to do this.
And I mean, we walked

598
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,480
everywhere.
But then once you've seen, well,

599
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,040
I think, you know, we really go
into most of the casinos.

600
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,800
But once you've been into one,
you know you, you, you have seen

601
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,000
them all.
Yeah, I mean, if you're really

602
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,240
into gambling, something that's
probably fun, also dangerous.

603
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Yeah, because you're there for
so long, you know, and it's

604
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,920
expensive.
Like everything is expensive.

605
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Food is expensive.
That's what I shocked me.

606
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,360
Your per diem is like just out
the door, you know, because

607
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,400
most, I mean you only work three
days a week.

608
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,320
Yeah, of course.
Right, So that's why.

609
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,920
So how?
Did you entertain yourself,

610
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,400
shall I say, like what you know?
Did you go somewhere or just We

611
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,400
had no walk up and down the
strip every morning.

612
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,760
I mean, honestly, I just kind of
slept a lot like, and I, you

613
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:58,800
know, I went and did some hikes.
Yeah, I, you know, some

614
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,760
shopping, but really like, you
know, it's just, it's just kind

615
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,480
of kind of a bum out at the end
of the day when you're there for

616
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,240
so long.
You know, I did do another

617
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,040
residency in 2022 with the
chicks and we stayed at the

618
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Platinum, which I think a lot of
tours do stay at the Platinum

619
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,360
and it's like a non gaming hotel
where you have an apartment.

620
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,360
So you have like a kitchen and
so you can actually shop, make

621
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,560
your own food, you know, and
that's, that's quite a bit

622
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,480
better, I think.
I think when you can make your

623
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,040
own food when you are, I mean,
even even on a tour, you know,

624
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,520
if you can make your own for
which you never do, you know, So

625
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,960
I mean you, I mean, I don't know
why I even said that because you

626
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,040
never make your food on, you
know, the best you're going to

627
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,480
do is go to a sandwich on the
buy a pre pre made salad, you

628
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,400
know, and take back to your
room.

629
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Yeah.
Sandwich on the bus couple.

630
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Yeah, exactly.
I mean.

631
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,880
Nowadays, you know the catering,
you know not just who you use

632
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,360
with Rockfall, but you know eat
to the BI mean.

633
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,200
You've got so many out there
that are incredible caterers and

634
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640
they now do.
They cater for everybody to give

635
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,160
you just simple food, you know,
healthy food.

636
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,800
Yes.
Because you know, you can't live

637
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,240
off of, you know, even this, you
know, let's say five staff

638
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160
eating and dining.
You can't eat that every day.

639
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960
No, you can't.
And even if it's the most

640
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,200
delicious thing on earth, it's
like for some reason it just

641
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,320
doesn't taste good day in and
day out, right?

642
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,520
And I don't know about you, you
know, like when, OK, you've got

643
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,920
loading and you know, you've,
there's breakfast available, but

644
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,040
you know, you're not relaxed
because you've got the day

645
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,680
ahead.
So then you're just woofing it

646
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,440
down.
Then you shoot, yes, whichever

647
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,880
department you're in, you're
really like, you know, you're

648
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,160
working hard.
Then it comes to lunchtime and

649
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,800
OK, maybe you get to sit down a
little bit, but then you're

650
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,920
like, Oh no, I've got to finish
this.

651
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,920
So then you shoot off again.
And then dinner time, you've got

652
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120
the show.
So then you're rushing again,

653
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,960
you know, the the whole eating
on tour kind of doesn't really

654
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,680
it, it doesn't really work, does
it?

655
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,880
No.
Especially for you, no.

656
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,120
Yeah, sometimes I don't even
eat, you know, it's like I'm

657
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,680
just eating.
I don't even get out of my chair

658
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080
or my office to go.
I mean, it's better now.

659
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,760
It's better when you have APA.
If you're a production partner

660
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,000
and you have APA, life is a lot
better, you know, because

661
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,960
they're doing all the things so
you can concentrate on getting

662
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,040
all your, you know, stuff on
your computer done.

663
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,160
They're like front facing and
answering a lot of questions and

664
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,080
doing bus talk and kind of
running around and helping or

665
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,800
whatever.
But if you're, if you don't like

666
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,000
you don't stop.
Like you don't ever.

667
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Ever.
Stop Yeah ever really like

668
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,480
that's because you're.
Like Mom?

669
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,560
You're like.
Your mom, mom, mom, mom, mom,

670
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,800
mom every you know, everybody
comes to for everything you

671
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,120
know, and it's great, you know,
but it's like.

672
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,920
So then you got so with the
American Idol that would use the

673
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
production coordinator on that,
wasn't you or production

674
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,240
manager.
Excuse me?

675
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,360
No, no, no, I on American Idol,
I was AI started a sponsorship,

676
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,320
but then I was Rd. manager.
Road manager, that was it.

677
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Yeah, for for a year or two.
And then I did the same.

678
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,800
I moved on to so that You Can
Dance, which is it was the same

679
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,120
measurement at the time.
So You Can Dance.

680
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,640
That was it.
Yeah.

681
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,320
So 19 management and then we had
both of those when they were

682
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,720
still a company.
And so I moved on to Soothing

683
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,440
Can Dance.
I was production coordinator for

684
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,320
Soothing Can Dance, and then I
eventually moved to being

685
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,480
production manager for Soothing
Can Dance for one or two

686
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,360
seasons.
Yeah, and my brother was tour

687
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040
manager.
And it was great, and it was

688
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,280
great working with families as
well.

689
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,600
As long as you get home, that's
that easy.

690
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,280
Yeah, no, we work so well.
I mean, we're fourteen months

691
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,440
apart.
Like we've kind of worked

692
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,360
together our entire lives.
We had paper routes together

693
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:06,120
when we were kids, and then we
started touring together.

694
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,280
He was on the bathroom tour with
me, not on my team specifically,

695
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,240
but had this, you know what I
mean?

696
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,160
So it's we were really, really
fortunate, kind of like looking

697
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,960
out for each other.
You know, placing each other in

698
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,480
jobs and stuff, it's been great.
Which is so fantastic.

699
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,480
Now, one thing I was reading the
wardrobe side of things, you

700
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,760
know, like you would also like
production coordinator,

701
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,160
production manager, all of these
things.

702
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,200
But then also there's a little,
you sneak in a little wardrobe.

703
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,920
Yeah.
So I'm taking, you know, like

704
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,520
was that something that you just
had an interest in or just

705
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,240
something you was like, I can, I
can do this.

706
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,840
Well, I think I was just
initially asked to do it like,

707
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,040
hey, you know, it's not going to
be that much of wardrobe.

708
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,600
Can you handle it?
Yeah, sometimes it's not a lot,

709
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,840
and sometimes it's a lot, you
know, do.

710
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,480
That.
Job I actually really like

711
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,600
wardrobe.
It's kind of like a mindless

712
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,840
thing for me, you know, like
laundry and steaming.

713
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,720
And it's kind of like it's kind
of a way where I'm like kind of

714
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:13,200
taking a break at during that
part of the day from like, you

715
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200
know, scheduling and doing
travel and all the other and

716
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,640
advancing and all the stuff that
you do on the computer to like,

717
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,880
just like, hey, I'm just going
to stay in this thing and I'm

718
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,240
just going to do this wash.
And I like, I love laundry.

719
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,680
Like these mindless acts that
like are very simple things to

720
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,320
accomplish.
And it's just like, OK, did

721
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,040
that.
Like those are great for me.

722
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,200
So I really do like it.
Yeah, yeah.

723
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,760
And I sewing and you know, I
wasn't like tailoring or

724
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,120
anything, but I mean the little
bit that I did know just growing

725
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,200
up.
Was kind.

726
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,920
Of helpful SO.
I learned to so, but even my

727
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,400
husband is like Sarah, what's
that?

728
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,640
And then like seriously, And
then any opportunity, I mean,

729
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,960
because we've been All in all
this whole trip will be away for

730
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,080
about a month.
And whenever I see a like a

731
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,760
launderette or something, I'm
like, do you know service wash?

732
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,640
All service.
I was like, I'm just, I mean, at

733
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,640
home is different Homes, yeah,
homes, home.

734
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,240
But anybody, you ask anybody and
they'll be like, yes, Sarah,

735
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,120
you're, you're, you really are
terrible.

736
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,520
This is not your thing.
So now like you've, so how would

737
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:29,480
you say the, since you've joined
the industry and up until now,

738
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,000
how would you say things are
comparable to, you know, the

739
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,440
amount of ladies in the industry
to yeah, from basic when you

740
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,880
started until now and kind of
the attitude towards him because

741
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040
we still are in a man's
dominated world.

742
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,360
Yeah.
Well, so, you know, obviously

743
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,400
there there are more ladies in
the industry, especially in tech

744
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,280
positions for sure than there
was when I started.

745
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,400
I think the only, I mean,
ironically enough, there was a a

746
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,440
female rigor when I started,
which, you know, you wouldn't

747
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,800
think would be common at all.
And she was lovely.

748
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,080
Her name was Suzanne.
But yeah, it was pretty much her

749
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:25,240
and then wardrobe me.
And I think that's it, right?

750
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,120
You know, or maybe maybe VIP or
you know, some somebody like

751
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,520
that.
But so it's great.

752
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,320
I mean, it's great technically
that there are so many more

753
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,600
women, right?
And I think what I experienced

754
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,280
when I first came on board, I
mean like back in like 2000,

755
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:54,920
like one too, right, like eons
ago, is that women were very

756
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,680
territorial, right?
So if a woman came on board,

757
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480
like in an assistant position,
not in a tech position, I

758
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,320
because I wasn't a tech person,
but like backstage, it just

759
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,200
seemed like there was it, it
women were hesitant to like

760
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,360
accept other women.
I feel like, you know, because

761
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,560
it's like, well, there's only
one production coordinator.

762
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,560
There's only one wardrobe.
Usually there's only, you know,

763
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,280
at the time.
And so it was all very much

764
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,040
like, I don't want to share my
knowledge with you.

765
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,160
I don't want to, you know,
accept you, be nice to you

766
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,120
because, oh, you might take my
job, right?

767
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,240
I never.
Yeah, I never thought of.

768
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,440
It and you know, and I and I
think there's still a little bit

769
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,440
of that.
I think probably because there

770
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:48,840
really is very few jobs on
touring that if you're not, you

771
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,000
know, front of house tech doing
the lighting or whatever, or the

772
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,080
video like backstage.
I mean there really isn't that

773
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,720
many jobs available at the end
of the day, right?

774
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,920
I mean just depends on how big
the wardrobe department is or

775
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,440
backstage or whatever.
Some tours are much bigger than

776
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:10,560
others, but so I feel like, so I
really did like I just put

777
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,280
myself in there and I was like,
I'm just going to be the nicest,

778
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,880
most accommodating and I'm just
going to do whatever they tell

779
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,560
me because I'm I was learning
too.

780
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,480
I didn't just want to be the
road manager.

781
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,840
I wanted to eventually be a
production coordinator, right,

782
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,400
or whatever.
So I just was like made myself

783
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:35,600
the most helpful and least
dramatic and just funniest and

784
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,480
most pleasant person to be
around.

785
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440
And I would do anything.
I would like do anything.

786
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,320
And I had the most wonderful
person, Dede McGee, who was the

787
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
first person coordinator I
worked with that like took a

788
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,600
liking to me.
And I've I learned so much from

789
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,880
her and we're still such great
friends today.

790
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,960
So now I so I said to myself,
you know, it's like when I got

791
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,120
to be what I wanted to do, like
I would make it a point to

792
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,800
always support women, always
help them.

793
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,520
I'll never be, you know, never
shun another woman, never be

794
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,680
like intimidated or whatever.
Why?

795
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,280
Why?
You know, because it's it, it

796
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,000
doesn't do you any favors in the
end, right?

797
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,200
Like I experienced a lot of it
and I was never going to do

798
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,680
that.
And so, so, yeah, so and then

799
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,760
more and more women have come
into the industry and I think

800
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,680
it's, I think it's great, you
know, and I just make sure like

801
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,440
that I befriend every woman that
I can, like the lighting girl or

802
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080
the, you know, the video tech or
whatever.

803
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,720
And I just think it's important
because we always are going to

804
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:51,680
be the, what's the word, the
minority.

805
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Yeah.
You know, and I think it's

806
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,680
really important because, you
know, we have different needs

807
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,880
than men, you know, like
changing spaces and, you know,

808
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,360
things that make us
uncomfortable that, you know, I

809
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,800
just, I think it's important
that you have an ally in the

810
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,320
office.
Yeah, it is.

811
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,840
Yes.
There was actually one lady on

812
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Blink 102 and I can't remember
her name, I'm so sorry, but she,

813
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,320
she was the step.
Was she the stage manager?

814
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,760
Head rigger?
Dory.

815
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,240
Dory.
That's it.

816
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,960
Yeah.
She was so, so lovely, but just

817
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,640
so strong.
So, you know, focused.

818
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,920
And I just had.
I did again, you know, you don't

819
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,400
see that, you know, very often,
you know, and it was just such a

820
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,760
it was just so nice that we've
had Sydney.

821
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,120
I remember Sydney as well.
Yeah.

822
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,840
Assistant.
Was she your assistant to help

823
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:44,160
you?
She.

824
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,440
Was backstage, yeah.
So.

825
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Yeah, so.
Own stuff going on because I

826
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,680
actually used to work with her
years ago.

827
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,440
So when I saw her, I mean,
again, you know, I can't be more

828
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,560
proud, you know, of Sydney, you
know, for, you know, literally

829
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,120
coming from, I said coming from
that's horrible thing to say.

830
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,920
But you know, working, you know,
catering, you know, that those,

831
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,520
you know, I know it's long hours
for everybody, but then being

832
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:19,960
noticed for her skills as being
a person, a hard worker, you

833
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,680
know, now coming more onto the
tour, you know, the tour side of

834
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680
things, you know, with with the
management team, you know, and I

835
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,120
couldn't have been more proud of
her.

836
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,640
You know, it's just so nice to
see her and you can just see her

837
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,920
again, you know, just going from
one step to another to another,

838
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,680
you know, and to fulfil her
dreams, whatever that may be.

839
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,080
I don't know what.
That is for sure, you know.

840
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,360
But I think just for, you know,
for you, for like, you know,

841
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,560
starting, as you said,
sponsorship for the toilet

842
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,160
rolls, you know, going all the
way through your life career all

843
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,920
the way up.
Obviously your brother had asked

844
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,520
you to come back into the
touring world.

845
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,920
But during your time in Spain,
you know, did you kind of have

846
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,640
that feeling anyway of, well,
you know, I've, I've enjoyed my

847
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480
time here, but I do want to get
back into it.

848
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Like you missed it after being
away and you kind of knew.

849
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,880
Did you know where you wanted to
be?

850
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,320
Did you know you wanted to be
production manager of tours and

851
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,000
being the biggest mom there is?
Yeah.

852
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,600
I mean, yeah, when I was in
Spain, you know, it was great

853
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,960
and all, but, you know, you're
not making any money.

854
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,160
And I know I definitely didn't
want to go back to the office

855
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,880
doing working for clients.
And so and yeah, I, I was just

856
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,520
kind of in that state of like
traveling would be great right

857
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,480
now.
Like, I don't know exactly what

858
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,120
I want to do, but I want to work
with Neil and I can, you know,

859
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:54,920
this is right up my alley, just
like organizing, advancing, all

860
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,000
of those things, operations
basically, right?

861
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200
And so it's like, I love this.
I can do this.

862
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,000
I, my first goal was really just
to be a production coordinator,

863
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,280
which I shouldn't say just, I
think it's, I think production

864
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,080
coordinating is, is as important
as a production manager like I

865
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,160
do because you're basically tour
managing the crew, you know,

866
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,200
while they're like busy, you
know, focusing on the actual

867
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,400
production.
So and.

868
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,560
Without a, you know.
Without, you know, a supportive

869
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,640
and good production coordinator,
the production manager can't do

870
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,920
their job either.
Oh, totally, yeah.

871
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,280
Totally.
So you know.

872
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,240
They have so much going on.
It it is a partnership that

873
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,320
blends together.
Just taking, you know, again,

874
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,840
you're the front face more to
the crew.

875
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Everybody, everybody comes to
you.

876
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,160
I mean, I, I, I couldn't imagine
how many people come to you on a

877
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,000
daily basis for the simplest or
you know, no matter how

878
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,600
informative your day she is.
Oh, nobody reads it.

879
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,480
I mean I but every detail you
like.

880
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,920
OK, so my how I work is I put
out a lot of information, right?

881
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,600
And because I would want all
that information right if

882
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,400
somebody was giving me that.
So, but most people don't read

883
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,520
it, right?
So then they just keep asking me

884
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,920
anyway, which is highly
irritating.

885
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,320
But I have to sit back and
think, you know, it's fine.

886
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Not everybody thinks like I do.
And not, you know, everybody's

887
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,800
busy doing other things too.
So it's like, I can't like hate

888
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,520
on it, but it is frustrating.
You know, when you're sitting

889
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,120
there, every production
coordinator will tell you this

890
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,000
when you sit there and you like,
spend all this time being so

891
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,840
detailed and like, every
question you could ever want to

892
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,120
know is going to be in this
e-mail, right?

893
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,240
And then they don't bother to
read it anyway, right?

894
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,240
But whatever.
That's just kind of like a funny

895
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:52,200
thing about touring, I think.
But I had a thought, but I don't

896
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,000
know where I was going with
this.

897
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000
What were you saying?
Yeah, what I was just going to

898
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,600
say, like even on a day sheets,
I believe you'd actually do

899
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,360
like, you know, bullet points at
the top for those that don't

900
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,000
read the e-mail.
You know, the main things you

901
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,080
need to know is this, what are,
you know, leave time, next

902
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,120
hotel, travel distance and what
you're doing the next day.

903
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,760
For those of you that really
want to read all the information

904
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,200
that I would actually like to
know.

905
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,880
Let's praise again.
Like, yeah.

906
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,120
I, I would be the same.
I, I, I would like lots of

907
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,240
information.
You know, you spend the time

908
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,000
hoping that people read it, so
then they don't ask you these

909
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,680
questions.
But you know, but so this is

910
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,240
funny though, when you said oh,
I bet you get asked a lot of

911
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:38,720
questions.
This is where I, but my thought

912
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,360
was, so I was on a tour one time
and I didn't have a production

913
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,320
assistant.
And so I was doing it, you know,

914
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,800
everything that I normally do
and I set a timer.

915
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,400
I was like, I just want to know
what, how often somebody comes

916
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,720
and asks me a question.
So I just like set a little

917
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:01,080
timer and on average it was a
minute 24.

918
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,360
Somebody would come in and ask
like on average, so you like,

919
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,280
think about it.
So you're like, you're trying to

920
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,720
concentrate on like this flight
or whatever you're trying to do.

921
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,880
Somebody comes in constantly,
constantly, constantly.

922
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,480
Like it's insane.
Thursday.

923
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,960
And so you never get anything
done, and then you get crabby

924
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,800
and then you're working your
entire day off the next day

925
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,560
because you can't get anything
done.

926
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400
And then you make mistakes
because you're not focusing.

927
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,160
So when when production
coordinators get upset about

928
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,080
like, oh, you didn't read the
day sheet or whatever, it's

929
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,000
like, so yeah, you don't ask me
these questions so that I can

930
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,960
actually get my job done.
So then when you have a day off

931
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,160
tomorrow, maybe I can have one
too.

932
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,720
Kind of thing, you know, But.
I don't, I mean one minute, you

933
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,520
have an average of one minute,
20 seconds, everyone coming in.

934
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,680
But even if you 5 minutes like.
Say.

935
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Like, you know, even for me, I
love now working again on UK

936
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,800
time now, but I love working in
Creek time because I'm pretty

937
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,640
much I'm a whole day ahead of
everyone in America.

938
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,400
Oh, I bet that's lovely.
It's amazing.

939
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,600
I get up in the morning, I do
everything.

940
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,880
So then really, I answer
everybody's emails.

941
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,720
I get everything organized.
I contact people for the guests,

942
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,680
for geez, yeah, here I have no
interruptions.

943
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:28,000
I can edit the podcast, I can do
all the social media I can do.

944
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,240
Absolutely.
Everything then as soon as it

945
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:37,040
hits, I would say about 6:00 in
the evening, my time, everything

946
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,600
comes running down, you know,
and then, but then I have my

947
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,560
laptop and then I just, you
know, I answer things and I'm

948
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,960
there to solve anything that
needs to be solved.

949
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,200
But really when we're in
America, because we're on the

950
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,720
same time, I, I, I couldn't
focus really.

951
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,160
I couldn't focus even because
I'm one that I always have to

952
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,920
reply to the emails, you know,
not straight away, but you know,

953
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,400
yeah.
No, that's me too.

954
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,920
Like if I don't have my inbox,
if I can't swipe once and get to

955
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,320
the bottom of the stuff that I
have, and then I freak out, you

956
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,880
know, before the nights.
Out.

957
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,640
I cannot go to bed with a #1 or
#2 it has.

958
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,160
To be cleared.
Yeah.

959
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,120
That's the one thing I've
actually really learned is like

960
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,520
how to relax with that.
It's like if you don't get to

961
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,960
the e-mail and you get into,
it's going to be fine, you know,

962
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,800
because it's, it's gets to a
point where like it's impossible

963
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,000
to do.
You can't work 24/7.

964
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,040
Like, you literally can't, you
know?

965
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,520
I mean, my boss often says he's
like Sarah because I'm saying

966
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,040
this, but it doesn't need to be
done now and.

967
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,880
I was like.
Yeah, but you know me now.

968
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,960
My brain's sticking over and I'm
not going to, you know, I'm not.

969
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,800
Going to.
Work out a way how to do it or I

970
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,920
have to literally write a note
saying, OK, concentrate on

971
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,240
everything else 1st.
And then this is you know, you

972
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:59,840
know, last, last part of you
know your tasks.

973
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,600
If you can get it done today or
you know, for next week.

974
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,840
Because if you tell me, you
know, don't worry about it, then

975
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,880
it will, you know, kind of go
over, it'll go over my head.

976
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,360
So it has to be some kind of
importance and urgency or don't

977
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,640
mention it right now.
Right, right.

978
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,560
I like absolutely live on post
it notes.

979
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,720
I have a million post it notes
all around me all the time

980
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:25,800
because the like one if you tell
me something, yeah, it's going

981
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,720
to go right out my ears.
So it's like, OK, write it down,

982
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,880
get to it.
Otherwise, there's just no way

983
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,920
you can retain all that
information and questions.

984
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,920
And I can't, I don't know about
you, but I can't write it in or

985
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,160
make a note in my phone.
It goes into my phone or on a on

986
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,840
a, you know, a note on my
laptop, it's gone.

987
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,720
Nope, it has to be written on a
piece.

988
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,760
I have to write it.
It's like, you know, like when

989
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,800
you're studying and like when
you're trying to memorize stuff.

990
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,640
If you write it, it like goes
into your brain better like like

991
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,680
typing or your fault.
Like forget that.

992
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,280
I guess it's maybe I'm old.
I'm old but like.

993
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,680
Yeah, but there's so many people
like, I mean, I feel the same.

994
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,400
You know, even as I said, my
boss is like Sarah, you know,

995
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,880
you just write, you know, says
he's, you know, an apple, blah,

996
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,200
blah.
Remind me to do this or

997
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,680
whatever.
And I'm like, I would never get

998
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,120
anything done if I put that into
my phone.

999
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,440
No.
I don't want to use any more

1000
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,240
technology to do my job than I
already do.

1001
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,600
Is that?
I don't know, it's just.

1002
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,680
No, I everybody.
Has their system.

1003
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Everybody has their system.
They do have their system,

1004
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,400
although I I I have to write
things down otherwise I don't

1005
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,040
remember and at the end of every
day I have a list of what I have

1006
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,000
to do for the next day.
Me too my.

1007
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,120
Mind.
Yeah, Do you?

1008
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Like this book, it's just less
and less and less.

1009
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,040
But again, you know, everyone
works differently, you know.

1010
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,280
But for me, at the end of every
night, I write down my tasks.

1011
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,280
In fact, I've got 2, you know,
one for work.

1012
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,480
OK, let's do this, this, this
and this, and then personal

1013
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,920
life, what I've got to get done,
you know, whatever it may be,

1014
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,800
get that one done.
And then first thing in the

1015
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,600
morning or the before I write
the list, I cross everything off

1016
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,240
of the old list from the night
before.

1017
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,720
And is it so satisfying to cross
it off?

1018
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,800
It's so satisfying.
I love it.

1019
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,880
Absolutely love it.
That's the first part of getting

1020
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,800
something done is like crossing
it off.

1021
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,600
Exactly.
And I'm just like, Yep, I did

1022
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:30,840
that one that was amazing.
So organization like that is

1023
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,280
something that, you know, I love
doing is being organized is just

1024
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,160
that whole.
Yeah, the the organizational

1025
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,360
skills, you know, that come with
whatever job you do.

1026
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,600
I mean, like yourself, you know,
I've done all different kinds of

1027
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,640
jobs.
You know.

1028
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,320
And I feel that everything that
I've touched on has led me to,

1029
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,720
you know, different parts of my
career, if you want to call it.

1030
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,360
And it's made me that I was
saying it's made me a better

1031
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,240
person for, you know, all of the
jobs and all the rest of it.

1032
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,480
And not afraid to say, oh, this
would be a question for you.

1033
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:21,120
So if you so you're on a tour
and you it's going to end, you

1034
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,720
know, you want some time at
home.

1035
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,720
Are you do you often take a tour
like like straight, you know

1036
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,600
exactly when you're going to be
doing another tour?

1037
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,600
Or do you take take some time
out?

1038
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,240
Or if there's something that
doesn't feel quite right, are

1039
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,720
you like, happy to say no
because you know that you know

1040
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,200
there'll be something else that
comes along, although it's

1041
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,680
difficult to say no.
I think that ability to say no

1042
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:53,720
come, Yeah, I think that ability
to say no comes in time when you

1043
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,680
have more confidence and you're
more comfortable in your career,

1044
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,360
right?
So like when you first start

1045
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,480
off, it's like you don't want to
say no to anything because like,

1046
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,880
first of all, you want to get
all the experience that you can,

1047
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,040
right?
But also you don't.

1048
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,920
You're not confident enough to
know.

1049
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,760
Or that the phone is going to
ring.

1050
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,680
So you're like, what if I don't
ever get a job again?

1051
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,040
And I just have to keep saying
yes?

1052
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,160
And but you know, after you do
it for so long and you, you

1053
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,440
know, develop the reputation and
the phone is constantly ringing,

1054
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,920
then it's a lot easier to say
no.

1055
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,120
And so like, I've been very,
very lucky that I don't ever

1056
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:37,280
really remember a time after
maybe the first few years of

1057
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,400
wondering, Oh my God, like, am I
going to get a job?

1058
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Oh my God, how you know, I've
been lucky enough where I've

1059
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,000
been recommended and the and the
phone is ringing.

1060
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,520
You know, I mean, obviously it
didn't happen at first, but most

1061
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,280
of my, the most of the most of
the problems that I get up like

1062
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,480
worried and stressed out about
are like which job to take.

1063
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,840
And I know that sounds so
stupid.

1064
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,400
That's amazing.
No the.

1065
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,520
Like I felt like, oh, she has so
many job offers but like, no

1066
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,800
really.
Be proud of it.

1067
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,440
Seriously, you would talk for
it.

1068
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,640
Be proud, you know.
And I, yeah.

1069
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,960
And I and I am the type of
person that I will never quit a

1070
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,840
job because something else comes
along that I think is better,

1071
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,200
right?
Because it's like, I unless

1072
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,600
there's a circumstance like, you
know, there's somebody that I

1073
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,960
was replacing that wants their
job back.

1074
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,640
And so, yeah, OK, if another job
comes and like it works out that

1075
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,640
whatever, then fine.
But I just don't, I think it's

1076
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,560
bad karma and I think it's bad.
I think it leads to a bad

1077
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,920
reputation of like, well, you
can hire her and she's good

1078
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,840
until she see something better.
And I just don't think that's

1079
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,320
the right thing to do.
I mean, and I've missed out on a

1080
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,920
lot of great tours and
opportunities because I said yes

1081
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,040
to something first.
But that's just the way it is.

1082
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,680
And like, to me, it's like
everything happens for a reason.

1083
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,640
I'm supposed to be here.
I'm not supposed to be there,

1084
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,360
you know?
And so that's how I just, I know

1085
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,800
it's.
Loyalty as well, you know.

1086
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,840
Yeah, because, you know, if you
say yes to a job and like you

1087
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,680
said, if something comes up
that's better, yeah, you can go

1088
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,960
oh, damn it.
But no, I've committed.

1089
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,720
They.
That's it.

1090
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,480
You know that that.
Yeah.

1091
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,240
I'm with you, you know,
basically if you get me.

1092
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,840
Yes, yes.
I'm yours 100%.

1093
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,880
Yes, I think that's so
important.

1094
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,400
It is so important.
Sadly, you know, I know quite a

1095
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,800
few people that are very happy
to just say, yeah, jump, jump

1096
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,120
ship, you know, or excuse my
language.

1097
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,720
Shit hits a fan and they're
like, Nah, I'm out, I'm done,

1098
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,800
you know, and leave.
And whether that's, I don't

1099
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,720
know, I don't get caught.
Only people that I know like

1100
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,520
like an arrogancy of like they
know they're going to get more

1101
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,160
work.
I mean, there's one particular

1102
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,400
person I know, probably the
worst person, like as in for bad

1103
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:10,520
behaviour, yet always gets jobs.
Always.

1104
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Well, Sarah, let me tell you
something about this industry.

1105
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:20,080
In this industry, you fail up.
It's a thing for some reason.

1106
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,960
Like you have it's, I don't
know, maybe it's the age 20 or

1107
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,280
whatever, but you have certain
people that will never let the

1108
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,120
ball drop, right?
And that will never like leave

1109
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,320
and will commit 100% and like do
a really good job.

1110
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,720
And then you have the other
people that aren't so great at

1111
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,000
their job and they're always
like, how did this person get

1112
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000
this job?
And you know, how are they in

1113
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,360
this position?
But they keep going up and it's

1114
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,720
like a mystery.
It's a mystery in this industry.

1115
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,200
But it's crazy.
And I don't really I've seen

1116
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,440
this.
Seen too many times and I don't

1117
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,000
know if that's OK.
I'm not saying I, I kind of gave

1118
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,680
up because of that, but I saw it
too many times with, you know,

1119
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,560
jobs that I've had and I was
like, how do you get that?

1120
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,040
Like not, not, you know, not not
out of a jealousy, just out of

1121
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,280
a.
But just like like.

1122
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,440
I'm I'm organized.
Are you the are you the girl?

1123
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,440
Are you the girl like?
That and then I'm like, and then

1124
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,040
yeah, oh, sorry.
You know, you know you, we don't

1125
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,000
need you on the next leg or
whatever because we're taking so

1126
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,720
and so.
Right.

1127
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,440
You know, or you don't.
Here's another one that's crazy.

1128
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:41,360
It's like, I find that for some
reason, the more artists you

1129
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,280
have on your on your resume,
right, Even if you're working

1130
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,960
for them for three months at a
time or six months, which and

1131
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,840
then you're not with them
anymore, which should be like a

1132
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,040
red flag, I would think to
somebody who's hiring that

1133
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,320
person.
Like why didn't you stay with

1134
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,800
this actor this longer than
three or six months?

1135
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,560
Oh, but you have all these big
names on your resume.

1136
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,120
Great.
Let's hire you versus the person

1137
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,760
that's been with a band for
three years and they've only

1138
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,080
have 4 bands or whatever on
their resume, but they're not

1139
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,560
qualified.
But there's a reason they've

1140
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:21,120
stayed with them because, you
know, they've been retained

1141
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,120
because they're good.
I don't know.

1142
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,760
So like there's also that thing
too in the industry where it's

1143
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,440
like the more people you have,
the better.

1144
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,760
Who cares how long you're with
them?

1145
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,120
You must be great.
You must be the best.

1146
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,280
But forget about the people
who've only been, you know, with

1147
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,040
a certain artist for so many
years, but have been doing this

1148
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:42,280
for 15, you know, like it's,
it's wild to me, but it's just a

1149
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,200
mystery.
I really, really don't

1150
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,720
understand it.
And I'm pretty sure, and I don't

1151
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,200
know if it's, I don't know,
something in me or whatever, but

1152
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,760
if, if I was to do something
like, you know, really bad, I'm

1153
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,040
pretty sure I'd be fired.
Like, really, I'm pretty sure

1154
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,400
they would say, you know, yeah.
But you get a job, you get a

1155
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,160
job.
Like it doesn't matter if you

1156
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,120
get fired in this.
It's crazy, but let's get

1157
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,040
another job.
It it.

1158
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,760
It shouldn't be that way.
No, it shouldn't, but it's like,

1159
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,200
it's so it's like there's
certain people like me, you a

1160
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,080
ton of people that I know that
are like, I don't want to let

1161
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,640
anybody down.
Like I want to do the best job

1162
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,160
possible.
Like, you know, it's like my

1163
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,760
work ethic is everything.
And then even you have the other

1164
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,520
set of people that are like, you
know, I'm going to phone it in.

1165
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,560
I'm like half ass it.
I'm just going to move from this

1166
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,120
camp to this camp blah, blah,
blah.

1167
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,360
And it's like for, it's just,
it's bizarre.

1168
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,960
It's bizarre, but I guess it
takes some time I think.

1169
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,000
Goes into I'm going to talk
about a few like the mental

1170
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,480
health side of things.
Yeah.

1171
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:53,160
It drove me crazy, you know, For
these reasons, you know, for,

1172
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,680
you know, seeing different
people in different, you know,

1173
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,400
not just it, you know, any
department, you know, and you're

1174
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,640
seeing all these these things
happening.

1175
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,880
And I was like, the what's the
analysing?

1176
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Analyzing what's good, what's
bad?

1177
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,000
And then you'll find yourself,
well, am I being me or am I

1178
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,480
being someone who I think they
want me to be or someone like,

1179
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,680
really, who do I be?
Do I be wild party girl over

1180
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,160
here?
Because I know I'm going to get

1181
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,520
the best job because I've hang
out with everybody.

1182
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,480
Because I'm drinking, yeah.
Or.

1183
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,680
Am I going to be good, Sarah?
And I'm going to go to bed

1184
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,680
early.
I'm going to get up.

1185
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,920
I'm going to work so hard and
support the other people that,

1186
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,080
you know, were hungover, you
know, and hopefully I'll get a

1187
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,080
better job.
Yeah, yeah.

1188
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,640
You know, like, but they didn't
see people that know themselves

1189
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,240
and they and they transform
into, you know what, whatever,

1190
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,160
you know, whatever departments
or higher up or whatever.

1191
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,080
They want them to be.
Yeah, that's also a thing too.

1192
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,640
You know, it's like if you at
least I don't, I don't go out a

1193
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,440
lot.
Like it's pretty rare for me to

1194
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,080
go out.
Not that I don't like to go out,

1195
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,560
but it's like I'm just so tired
and I don't want to talk to

1196
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,720
anybody, you know, for 12 hours.
So I usually just kind of

1197
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,840
hibernate in my, my room and,
you know, get all the emails I

1198
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:23,200
couldn't get done, done from the
day before or, you know, just

1199
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,040
chill.
But it's like, but you know, I'm

1200
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,720
not always the most popular
person or I don't, you know, I'm

1201
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,920
not like on the list for the
person who's going to take these

1202
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,240
people to the next tour
sometimes, you know what I mean?

1203
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,560
Because I'm, you know, you're
not like out with them all the

1204
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,240
time as part of like the cool
like group kind of thing.

1205
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:49,319
So I mean, that doesn't bother
me anymore because like,

1206
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:50,560
whatever.
But there is that thing.

1207
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,240
So when you are starting off and
you're new in the industry, like

1208
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,120
that's kind of a thing you think
about.

1209
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,399
It's like, I want to be in the
in Group and I want to be going

1210
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,359
out and like doing all the
things, but I'm also really

1211
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,640
tired and I want to do my job.
So what do I pick?

1212
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:06,880
You know and.
You know, I've done, I've done

1213
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,600
both.
You know when I first came into

1214
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,359
I've done both.
You know, I've like tried to,

1215
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,000
but then I was never really,
I'll be honest, I've never been

1216
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,439
in the in crowd like I haven't.
I'd.

1217
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,479
Like to think so, but I would
even, I'd find one person that

1218
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,560
wants to go and explore.
I'd always do that, you know,

1219
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,840
like go off in my own room, like
and you know, always do that.

1220
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:32,840
I mean, in fact, the last tour I
did was for Muse and in fact,

1221
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,720
I'd had like a year of no
alcohol whatsoever and it was

1222
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,880
the best tour I'd ever done
physically, mentally.

1223
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,760
I was just really, it was just
amazing.

1224
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,040
I, I, yes, my body felt tired,
but I wasn't tired.

1225
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,479
I wasn't ratty.
I wasn't because I'd gone out,

1226
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,160
right and and the clarity of
everything, I could just see

1227
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,560
everything.
I was like, yeah, everything's

1228
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:57,640
all good.
You know it was.

1229
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,920
Like, yeah, he's.
Working the days off, I'd always

1230
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,920
go for a walk.
And there's always a few people.

1231
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,560
They were like, oh, like from
other departments, like, oh, can

1232
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,440
I join you?
I was like, yeah, sure, no

1233
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,920
problem.
Like, you know, and those people

1234
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,720
that wanted to do The Walking in
the daytime when we had a day

1235
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,400
off, you know, it was so
refreshing, you know, to create

1236
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,920
that.
Like, you know, that was our

1237
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,880
little call group, you know, the
The Walking.

1238
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,520
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1239
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:29,080
And so it's like, I mean, advice
for those who, you know, come up

1240
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,840
against that, it's like, I think
you should just take care of you

1241
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,640
and like do the best job that
you can and worry more about

1242
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,080
like the performance that you're
putting in then who you're

1243
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,680
hanging out with at the end of
the day.

1244
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:48,440
Like I think because you're
going to, I mean, at the end of

1245
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:51,560
the day, your reputation is
literally everything,

1246
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,360
everything, especially in this
industry, it's like it's more

1247
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,280
important than your paycheck
because you know, you're going

1248
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,400
to get hired based on your
performance and like, you know,

1249
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,440
how easy to get along with you
are and how like on top of it,

1250
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:10,640
you are.
And you know, and so make the

1251
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,120
better decision, you know, at
the end of the day and.

1252
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,080
Kind of be the bigger the be the
bigger person.

1253
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,200
Be the bigger person.
Like really be the bigger

1254
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,920
person, you know, even if it's
going to hold it in because

1255
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,320
maybe you don't necessarily
agree with something.

1256
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:31,760
But I mean, I would like to
think now let's say I've calmed

1257
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,680
down a lot, you know, in general
in life in, you know, with with

1258
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,960
the way I react to things, you
know, say, for example, I know,

1259
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,680
you know, without, I know I'm
right.

1260
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,960
But the other person's really
adamant like, you know, and I'm

1261
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,880
like, OK, you know, or let's
move this, you know, move this

1262
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,320
somewhere.
And I'm like, well, that doesn't

1263
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,880
really work.
You know, it needs to go this

1264
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,320
side.
But of course, again, everybody

1265
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,360
wants to put their stamp on a
tour.

1266
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,320
So even if it means moving
something, I'll give an example

1267
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,680
of this in a minute.
And and I'm there and I'm like,

1268
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,120
it's not, it's not going to
work.

1269
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:08,520
But they don't want to listen,
OK?

1270
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,200
They don't want to listen.
OK, So I just walk away, do

1271
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,040
something else.
And then later I can guarantee I

1272
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,400
go back and it's like a some
would say, oh, yes, sorry that,

1273
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,360
you know, that was the better
way and we've done it like that

1274
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,600
now or whatever. the IT will
come out.

1275
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,920
It'll come up naturally.
You don't need to fight it.

1276
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,040
You don't need to be horrible.
You don't need to get into an

1277
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,520
argument.
And.

1278
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,480
If their way works isn't
amazing, I've not caused the

1279
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:37,560
scene.
It's works.

1280
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:44,920
It's you know, but again, you'll
get respect from being say that

1281
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,880
person, but also slowly, slowly
over years of doing touring or

1282
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,920
whatever it is you're doing, you
know, people will say, Oh no, I

1283
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,760
think I think Kristen's right.
You know, we're going to do it

1284
01:12:54,760 --> 01:13:00,040
that way straight away.
You know, just an example, like

1285
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,920
when one of the the catering
rooms, shall I say, and it's

1286
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,880
such a small room, I mean really
small, small room.

1287
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,840
This was this was on blink.
You know, we're already rushed

1288
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,160
out things.
I wasn't doing the like the

1289
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,680
dining room, but I walked in and
you know, there's all the power

1290
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,560
on the right hand side.
Now it's a square room,

1291
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,120
basically all the power on the
right hand side and the fridges

1292
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:30,000
and everything had been pretty
much set up by I don't know what

1293
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:34,160
our advanced man and I was like,
OK, awesome.

1294
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,280
Really.
This is a quick set up, get in

1295
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,640
flight cases, Bamery, blah,
blah, blah.

1296
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,280
OK, so I'll leave you.
Yeah, yeah.

1297
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,400
Awesome.
No one person had a better idea

1298
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,120
that they wanted to set
everything up on the other side

1299
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,520
of the room, but they had to
call the electrician to do a

1300
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:58,200
cable from the main, you know,
the six pin to go all the way

1301
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,920
over, just, you know, to hold it
up, to pin it up, to put it on

1302
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,000
the other side.
So they set everything up the

1303
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,200
then they're calling the
electrician.

1304
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,800
We need the electrician.
We need the electrician.

1305
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,120
Now bear in mind, the
electrician, he's now on stage,

1306
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:14,640
you know, that's what needs to
be done right now, not the

1307
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,080
catering.
So he's coming.

1308
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,120
What's the problem?
And he goes, well, the power's

1309
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,560
there and they go, oh, yes, no,
no, no, but we, we, we, we want

1310
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,040
it this way.
And he goes.

1311
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,520
You're here for one day.
Really harder on yourself than

1312
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,480
it needs to be.
Seriously.

1313
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:36,480
And then I was like, guys, I was
like, now everybody's stressed.

1314
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,360
I mean really, Because now
everyone has to move everything

1315
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,400
over to the side where there's
the plugs.

1316
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,240
Yeah.
And I was like, guys, like, I

1317
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,200
didn't see the logic.
You know, if we're there for a

1318
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,960
week, OK, it was one day, but
they wanted to put their stamp

1319
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,000
on that room to make it out for
how everybody else does it, you

1320
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,040
know?
It's I bet what you didn't do is

1321
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,000
I bet you didn't say I told you
so because because you're a

1322
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,200
professional and that is the
best way to go about it is just

1323
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,320
be like, OK, yeah, let's that
didn't work, Let's go back over

1324
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,440
here, right like.
Let's move it.

1325
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:14,200
Let's.
Smile.

1326
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,880
People skills, huge, huge in
this, in this industry.

1327
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,560
It's like if you have people
skills, great.

1328
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:22,960
If you don't, you're going to
struggle.

1329
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,760
You're definitely going to
struggle, especially if you're

1330
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,560
like a crew chief or somebody
who's in charge of, you know.

1331
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,200
You say that they struggle, but
then they still get the jobs.

1332
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:39,600
I know that's the mystery.
That's anybody out.

1333
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:45,720
There, the irony of the supply,
whole industry, I don't get it.

1334
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,800
I don't get it.
But they're going to get the

1335
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:48,920
neck.
They're going to get it again.

1336
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,240
Yeah.
I want to have the same

1337
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,160
complaints from the same people.
I'm not on tour, I'm not my

1338
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,640
aunties.
So, you know, like, damn it.

1339
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,760
But everybody who's really good
in this industry knows that's

1340
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,480
the truth.
And they just do, you know, it's

1341
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:04,800
like everybody knows it's the
truth.

1342
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,960
And it's bizarre and hard to
explain, but yeah, it is what it

1343
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,960
is.
So being, you know, production

1344
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,600
manager, do you try and like
you're saying about with the

1345
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,800
ladies being on tour, do you try
and is it simple things, but

1346
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,040
like allocating say, OK, that's
going to be the ladies shower or

1347
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,080
that's going to be at the end of
the night or, you know, don't

1348
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:33,040
those kind of things or making
sure that yeah, I'm not saying a

1349
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,840
special treatment for for the
ladies.

1350
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:42,280
But for sure, for sure, like,
yeah, you know, anything to make

1351
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,880
them comfortable, you know, yes,
if we have enough rooms, def I

1352
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,080
always, we always make signs and
say female shower or whatever,

1353
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:55,480
or a big, if you don't have
enough rooms and a big one is

1354
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,760
the shower that's in the
production office, that becomes

1355
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,840
the female shower, right.
And if there's not, you know, a

1356
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,400
door, then we put up pipe and
drape and then I'm a sign or I'm

1357
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,520
there to, you know what I mean?
Because a lot of females, yeah,

1358
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,280
are very, you know, conscious
about that.

1359
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,600
And I've been, I'm not, I'm, I'm
kind of like I'm, I'm kind of a

1360
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,080
different kind of person, like
I.

1361
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,160
I don't care.
Just just for the record, I

1362
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,040
don't care.
But I don't care.

1363
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,320
I've been walked in on and like,
I'm just like really, dude.

1364
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,640
And but when you get.
Is when you get, whether it's

1365
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,200
ladies or not, but you get, you
know, the big group showers,

1366
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,440
especially in America, you know,
you're going in the change with

1367
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:39,280
all the group showers.
And I'm like, yeah, OK, so I

1368
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,280
just stripped down stalkers and
I go in.

1369
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:43,520
Yeah.
Oh, no, I can't go in at the

1370
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,280
moment.
So then there's all like, like,

1371
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:50,240
you know, 10 showers.
And yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

1372
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,520
and everybody has their own
comfort level and I totally,

1373
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,040
totally respect that.
Like completely respect that.

1374
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,600
And so I think that's really
important.

1375
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,040
And I think, and a lot of guys
like, really respect that too.

1376
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,400
You know, they're like, oh, the
females in there, Oh, oh, you

1377
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,520
know, and I think that's
wonderful.

1378
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,920
But you know.
Everybody's a lot of guys out

1379
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,600
there that are are shy and they
wouldn't want a, a group shower

1380
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:19,040
with blood a. 100% I, I would
say more often than not, like in

1381
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,880
the old days, the old days that,
you know, group, group show was

1382
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,920
way more common, right?
But like nowadays with the next

1383
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,240
generation, like nobody wants to
share a shower.

1384
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,840
They're all everybody's kind of
no matter what men or female,

1385
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:39,520
they're kind of all just like,
and that's fine, you know, But

1386
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,760
yeah, I think that's that's
totally important to make women

1387
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,840
feel comfortable for sure, for
sure, you know, and there's a

1388
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:52,440
lot of.
What would be your, let's say

1389
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,280
I'm not, I don't want to say
your motto because I know it's

1390
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,440
all about not necessarily your
motto for things.

1391
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:03,280
But what would you say that you
put your stamp on that's like

1392
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,440
your little uniqueness to a
tour?

1393
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:10,400
Like you know, is there anything
that you do necessary that you

1394
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,480
feel that you do differently to
anybody else?

1395
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,000
Even as far as the day sheet,
you know, you've just said that

1396
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,960
you like to give an in depth day
sheet.

1397
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,400
You know that you're putting a
stamp on it.

1398
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,080
So.
Something.

1399
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,480
I also put fun facts at the
bottom too.

1400
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:27,480
Yeah, we have to see if anybody
will read it.

1401
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,600
No, I used to read it.
I was only with you for four

1402
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:31,560
days.
I wrote it.

1403
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,800
I usually put fun facts at the
bottom to see if actually

1404
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,120
anybody gets down to the bottom
and then they figure it out and

1405
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,720
then they just read the fact and
everything.

1406
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:45,040
Else, I remember being on
Stereophonics tour and the

1407
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,600
production coordinator then she
put there was basically the logo

1408
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,000
at the bottom, but she'd
actually it's she'd embedded

1409
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,960
basically a fun fact into it
every day.

1410
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,720
Yeah.
But nobody knew about it.

1411
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,000
But then when everybody they get
the whispers went round like

1412
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,080
someone clicked on it, you know,
maybe, she told.

1413
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,600
Someone to click on?
Oh, that's so cool.

1414
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,560
Yeah.
But then at the beginning of the

1415
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,600
tour, nobody was talking about
it because, you know, nobody

1416
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,920
knew about it.
Then a word got out.

1417
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,520
And then as soon as the day she
came out, you saw it.

1418
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,880
Like, what's a fun fact?
What's this?

1419
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,600
And you click on it and you open
up.

1420
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,800
So maybe that's something you
can like, yeah.

1421
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,280
Like one step further, you
actually have to do something

1422
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,120
else to actually Get the facts.
That's interesting.

1423
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,360
I don't know if there's anything
like signature thing that I do.

1424
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:42,720
I just really try to create an
environment where I am beneath

1425
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:47,520
nobody, like, you know, Yeah, I,
I'm sitting behind my computer

1426
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,600
and I'm in charge of, you know,
ABCDEF, whatever, you know, that

1427
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:51,800
nobody else is really in charge
of.

1428
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:57,320
But like, I, I really try to
create an environment where

1429
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,640
like, everybody is equal.
Everybody can come in the

1430
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,840
production office.
Everybody can ask the question

1431
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,600
whether it's dumb or not.
Unless you never read the day

1432
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,120
sheet.
And then I do yell at you in a

1433
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,200
very nice way.
I'm like really busy.

1434
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,760
But like, then if it just
becomes like a, like a joke,

1435
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,280
like, oh, never ask Kristen
about the day sheet because

1436
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,000
she'll yell at you.
But but like, you know, my, my

1437
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,000
production assistant isn't
really my assistant.

1438
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,600
Like that's my copilot, you
know, and I will help that

1439
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,320
person out with anything.
If they're getting overwhelmed

1440
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,280
and they're doing juggling a
million things too, it's like

1441
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,760
I'll stop what I'm doing to help
that person.

1442
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,800
Like even if it's putting bus
back on a bus or order an after

1443
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,240
show food or something, like,
you know, the backstage

1444
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,960
coordinator, you know, anything
that I can do to help them, Like

1445
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,960
when I'm done with what I'm
doing, you know, I push cases to

1446
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:49,160
the truck to help everybody just
get out faster, you know, if

1447
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,800
that's what, you know, is
appropriate for the tourists.

1448
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,040
Some people don't like that
whatever.

1449
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,480
But like, you know, yeah, I
just, that's, that's kind of

1450
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,320
like how I, that's kind of like
my signatures.

1451
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:06,800
Like I just try to maintain that
vibe that like, we're all here,

1452
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,080
we're all important.
We're all like, you know, we'll

1453
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,840
all be out faster if we help
each other.

1454
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,760
Like nobody's above anything
else.

1455
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,520
And that's kind of how I how I
roll, you know?

1456
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,200
But again, that's, you know, a
great work work ethic, that's a

1457
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,320
great human.
I love, I love.

1458
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,120
Yeah, I just think, you know,
it's like touring is really

1459
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,280
hard.
Like 18 days are stupid like

1460
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,840
that.
Like, you know, and when you

1461
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,320
talk to somebody who doesn't
tour, they're like, but you

1462
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,120
know, for us, it's like, oh,
it's whatever, you know?

1463
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:39,080
And like they fly by like that.
Like it's like, get up at six.

1464
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,000
The next time they get the
clock, it's 10.

1465
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,000
Then it's like 6:00 PM.
And then, you know what I mean?

1466
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,760
It's like, it flies.
But I think that is so, so, so

1467
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,200
important.
Otherwise it's miserable.

1468
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:55,600
It can be miserable, you know.
Like we said before, it can be a

1469
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,680
very lonely well.
Very.

1470
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,280
Yeah.
My friend Ethan, he said it to

1471
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,560
me.
He said it before.

1472
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,520
He's like touring is the what
did he say?

1473
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:11,600
It's like it's the loneliest
occupation, being around

1474
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,560
everyone 24, like being around
people 24/7.

1475
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,560
It's, you know, it can just be
like that.

1476
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,720
And he's right, especially if.
You do get, you know, I've been,

1477
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,480
I've been on some amazing tours.
You know, the people, generally

1478
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:26,640
all of them are being wonderful,
you know, really kind hearted

1479
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,880
people.
And then there's been others

1480
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,800
where people have I've seen it.
They stir up trouble, you know,

1481
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:37,520
in, in different departments and
you're like, why, what, what,

1482
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,640
why would you do that?
Why, you know, and for me,

1483
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,600
obviously when I was like, let's
say the front of house, I would

1484
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,760
notice people and like being a,
you know, looking after people.

1485
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,360
And, you know, a couple of times
it's happened where I've

1486
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,520
thought, wow, you know, you're,
you're really rude, you know,

1487
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,680
like, and straight away I can't,
you kind of want to go on the

1488
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,080
defence.
And then I kind of step back.

1489
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,880
I'm like, well, I'm going to ask
him or her, you know, later

1490
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,800
point when they're quiet, you
know, and sometimes they, you

1491
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,880
know, is everything OK?
Yeah.

1492
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,280
And the next minute they're
like, actually, no, like, you

1493
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,120
know, I've got problems at home.
You know I've got.

1494
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,680
Going on.
And then they'll be like, you

1495
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,240
know, I'm really sorry.
I was a bit sharp before, like,

1496
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,560
yeah, I didn't mean that on you.
And I was like, well, I didn't

1497
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,360
think you did, I said.
So I thought I'd check in with

1498
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,040
you, make sure you're OK.
And then before, you know, you

1499
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,760
see the person, the next
breakfast, come in with big

1500
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,000
smiles.
Yeah.

1501
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:38,280
Happy and thank you, You know,
And then don't get me wrong, you

1502
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,120
know, the next 30 minutes, you
know, they're trying to talk to

1503
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:45,200
you about the life.
But you know.

1504
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,760
We don't know what's going on in
everybody's mind.

1505
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,840
Correct.
And home life is a big thing,

1506
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,120
like home life because like
people have families at home.

1507
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,640
People have it's in, it's so
hard to be gone.

1508
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,360
I don't have a family.
So I'm like, I don't know.

1509
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,440
I don't know if I'm lucky.
I'm sad about it a little bit,

1510
01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:08,800
but like, you know, but yeah, I
can't imagine being doing what

1511
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,800
we do and then being away from
everything else that's going on

1512
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,560
thousands of miles away from you
and not being there and still

1513
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,560
trying to have to manage that.
Like, that's an insane amount of

1514
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,320
stress, you know?
So when you're.

1515
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,080
Going to FaceTime.
OK, I'll, I'll FaceTime you

1516
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,440
tonight or, you know, I'm going
to check in on.

1517
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:30,120
I mean, I know people that in
fact, I know quite a few, like

1518
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,120
married couples have got kids
and they take it in turns.

1519
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,840
So one goes out on tour, one
goes the other way around, which

1520
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,560
I do love, by the way.
I love their, you know, many

1521
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,720
people I know that do this.
I love their team, like their

1522
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,360
little family team.
Like, I love seeing it.

1523
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,400
I love hearing it.
And then they take time out and

1524
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,200
they go away with the kids.
So then they, they've got a, you

1525
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,280
know, a real good family holiday
together.

1526
01:25:57,440 --> 01:26:00,280
Yeah.
But then, you know, each of them

1527
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,760
will say, oh, OK, I've got to go
back now.

1528
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,120
You know, not I've got to go
back.

1529
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,120
But, you know, it's FaceTime
time.

1530
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,680
You know, the kids are going to
bed now.

1531
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:15,840
And it's it's even more pressure
when you're on a tour to do

1532
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,000
that.
Oh yeah, set an alarm to check

1533
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,400
in to make sure like whatever
time zone you're going to see

1534
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,240
that kid at that point when
they're awake or or, you know.

1535
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,280
Early because, you know, they're
and they're tired and you know,

1536
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,600
and I mean, most partners that I
know are very understanding

1537
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,760
because they are again in the
industry.

1538
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,640
But you know, I also know other
people that are like, well, why

1539
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,200
haven't you called or messed?
With yourself, that's a whole

1540
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,160
other thing.
Yeah.

1541
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,560
It has to be so stressful.
I mean, just dating, like, yeah,

1542
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,400
not even having a child with
somebody, but just dating is

1543
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,760
like, oh, you know, you're like
you're all you're doing is

1544
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,240
you're like, oh, you're on tour.
So you're drinking and doing

1545
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,960
drugs and like all this fun all
the time.

1546
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,560
It's like, I have no fun.
I have no fun.

1547
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,880
Like, you know, well, why can't
you talk to me?

1548
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,280
Because I have somebody coming
in my office every minute, 24

1549
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,080
seconds asking me a question,
you know?

1550
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,280
But like, I'm so at night, it's
like you're so apologetic.

1551
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:18,520
But it's like, but now I'm with
somebody who also tours, right?

1552
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,480
And even though it's very, and
we've been together since the

1553
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:25,800
pandemic, so like five years,
but it's like it's really great

1554
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,520
because he like completely
understands, like what I'm

1555
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,600
doing, where I'm at, like why I
can't talk, why I can't

1556
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,160
whatever.
But the hard thing is too is

1557
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,280
like we may never see each other
for an entire year because I'm

1558
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,240
on one tour, he's on another.
And if our schedules don't, so

1559
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,280
all we do is FaceTime, you know,
so and you just have to be good

1560
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,160
with that.
And like he's we're great, like

1561
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:53,640
we are great, but it's judging
no matter what relationship,

1562
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,800
family situation you're in,
touring isn't it's it's it's not

1563
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,840
easy at.
All I agree.

1564
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,800
So mental health is really,
really important, you know, and

1565
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,200
I know they're doing a lot more
about.

1566
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,120
Behind the scenes foundation so.
Do I?

1567
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:09,960
Do I have a foundation?
No.

1568
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,400
Have you heard of Behind the
Scenes Foundation?

1569
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,600
Yeah.
So we do a lot.

1570
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,400
I say we do.
I like to do a lot like sort of

1571
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,480
for them because I think
spreading the word about what

1572
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,320
they do is incredible.
And, you know, having these

1573
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:30,200
support stations and, you know,
online therapy, you know, all,

1574
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:35,440
all of these awareness courses
that you can do, you know, as as

1575
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:39,640
say, say like me, you know, like
you sign in and you know, these

1576
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,240
are the signs to look out for.
You know, this is if you're on

1577
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,600
tour with someone, then you
know, this is what you can do.

1578
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,920
This is, you know, making people
more aware that being in the

1579
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,240
touring industry is hard.
It's hard.

1580
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:57,200
It's hard whether you just, you
don't have to have like an

1581
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,080
addiction.
You don't have to have like, you

1582
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,680
know, like a physical problem,
like just the, the toll it takes

1583
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,200
on you, you know, being gone all
the time and like dealing with

1584
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,120
people that you can't ever
escape from if you don't get

1585
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,040
along with them, like in your
crew, you know what I mean?

1586
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,200
Or whatever.
It's like, it's a lot, you know.

1587
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:19,040
And I really think that there
should probably be, I mean, you

1588
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,440
know, tours are like don't want
to spend any money these days.

1589
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:22,600
I mean, they used to spend a lot
of money.

1590
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,240
But like, you know, there should
be somebody I like, you know,

1591
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,640
there used to be like a massage
therapist that would go out on

1592
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,640
tours.
Now I feel like there should be

1593
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,680
like, you know, a mental health
therapist.

1594
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,520
Sometimes it's so funny you say
that because a friend of mine,

1595
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,320
she was called therapy on tour
and she also did lighting as

1596
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:44,400
well.
But I thought the concept of

1597
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:50,840
having a therapist on tour was
incredible because people could

1598
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,480
go to her, you know, because
everyone's schedule is

1599
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,760
different.
You know, lighting goes in this.

1600
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,240
Yeah, They finish sooner.
You know, there was no end to,

1601
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:03,200
you know, availability to go in
and see her, obviously.

1602
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:04,920
What?
Happened in that room, stayed in

1603
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:09,920
that room, and I was talking to
Lori from Behind the Scenes

1604
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,680
Foundation.
I was like, The funny thing is,

1605
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,920
you know, now that there isn't
any money, you know, there's not

1606
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:18,160
money for a therapist to go on
tour and also to be a therapist

1607
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,040
to go on tour.
I mean, really, I mean, I think

1608
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,600
you'd have to actually study
therapy on in in the touring

1609
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,640
world to actually go on tour and
be that, you know, like, yeah.

1610
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:32,760
It's like you have to be a
touring person to yeah before

1611
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,360
you can actually stand it 100%
yeah.

1612
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,800
Maybe they'll do another degree
in that at some point.

1613
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,880
But, you know, for tours, you
know, I, I just feel that that

1614
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,240
should be a person that should
be on there, especially, you

1615
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,440
know, not short tours, but like
long tours, you know, worldwide

1616
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:53,120
tours that go on for 2-3 years.
You know, you should have that

1617
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,080
safe space to go.
You know, you've got a crew

1618
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,120
room, but that's not a safe
space, you know.

1619
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,440
Yeah, there should be a safe
space.

1620
01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:04,080
There should be somewhere you
know you can go and just talk to

1621
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,920
somebody just to vent your
anything you need to do about

1622
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,840
work life.
But sadly the tours, like you

1623
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,720
said, there's no budget.
Now who's going to hire one

1624
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,760
person to go on tour to be that?
Yeah, to be.

1625
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,240
Just be there in case you know
a.

1626
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:25,840
Room, a bus space, all of this.
But then I was joking.

1627
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,280
I was like, but then you have a
permanent tattooist on the tour.

1628
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:35,320
Yeah, right.
No, it's so true.

1629
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,560
It's so true.
We actually had a yeah, we did,

1630
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,320
we did on Blink love.
I mean, the guy's amazing.

1631
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,360
Like we love him so, so much.
But right.

1632
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,080
Like and he was part of VIP, but
that they're not always part,

1633
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,600
part of VIP.
Like they have some of these

1634
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:54,960
auxiliary positions of like OK.
So, you know, yeah, you know,

1635
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,800
any bands that are out there,
like seriously, listen, you

1636
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,200
know, we, we, you can go get a
tattoo in the next day off, you

1637
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,920
know, hire the, hire the tattoo
studio, you know, get all the

1638
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,120
crew to go in for a day out and
have a tattoo, please.

1639
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,160
Bring a tattoo artist locally
which allows.

1640
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,960
Somebody to go on tour with,
with, with all these crew

1641
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:17,360
members.
We actually look after them and

1642
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,360
you know, the the mental
well-being.

1643
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,680
But then I suppose on the same
flip side to that, I mean, I

1644
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:29,320
have said no to well, what one
in particular tour because I did

1645
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:34,640
look at the I looked at the
schedule and I was like, no,

1646
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:39,680
like, really it was, it was like
7 days straight in, out, in,

1647
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:45,440
out, in, out, in, out, in out.
And I was like, I don't think I

1648
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:48,200
can physically do that.
Like really that way.

1649
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,560
It was just there was so, so
much.

1650
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,800
And then like the day off was a
was a a travel day, but a long

1651
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,040
travel like a 24 hour and lit.
Straight in something.

1652
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,960
Else and I was like, do I need
the money that bad?

1653
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:08,280
I was like no like really, you
know, and and and so yeah, I I

1654
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,040
have to say I have said no to a
tour for that.

1655
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,520
But then I was, I was pleased I
did, because I I knew that my

1656
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,200
mental health couldn't.
Handle that.

1657
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,360
You know.
Oh oh.

1658
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,520
No.
Oh no.

1659
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,040
Hello.
Hey.

1660
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,640
Stay Well, that's not bad.
That's an hour and 23 minutes.

1661
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,400
Oh, we did good and the Internet
just flickered, but I can't

1662
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,560
believe we've been chatting for
an hour and 23 minutes so.

1663
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,880
That flew by so fast.
Where'd it go?

1664
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:44,000
So what are you working on now?
Is it just holiday time,

1665
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,920
Christmas time?
And what?

1666
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:46,880
What plans?
Do you have?

1667
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:55,160
Well, so I, yes, So I, I said no
to a one or two things.

1668
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,080
Like right after blank, I was
just like, I can't, I'm too

1669
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,400
tired.
I needed like spend time with my

1670
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,280
parents and like, you know, just
be home.

1671
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:03,720
I just, I need that like reset
time.

1672
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,360
I'm not, there's a lot of people
that just like can go boom,

1673
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:07,960
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom.

1674
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:09,560
And like, I'm not that person
anymore.

1675
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:15,080
So after blank ended, we did one
show in Mexico City, their final

1676
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,040
show on the 4th of November.
And I've just been with my

1677
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,880
parents.
I've been back, I've been seeing

1678
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,240
family and then I got wrangled
into doing this rap festival

1679
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:33,080
last weekend very last.
But it was like, OK, you know,

1680
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,960
basically 3 days of my life and
they paid me well so I did that.

1681
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:44,640
But now I'm back and I'm happy
to do nothing until I'm hoping

1682
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:46,920
February.
I don't know.

1683
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:48,680
I don't have a gig for next
year.

1684
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,080
I which is like one of the first
times in a long time that I

1685
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,720
don't know what I'm doing, but
I'm not worried about it.

1686
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,720
Definitely, you know, I'm I'm
not.

1687
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,280
I might be give it a month or
two but but right now I'm just.

1688
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,880
Like February, I call you and
I'll be like, what?

1689
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:07,920
What are you doing?
And you're like.

1690
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,040
Don't let me, you know, but
yeah.

1691
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,880
So we'll see what happens.
But I'm, I'm not stressing.

1692
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:20,800
I'm really just like trying to
live, live life, you know?

1693
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:26,640
I think as well, having a work
life balance is well, you need

1694
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,880
it, you need a work.
Life and it's impossible on tour

1695
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,160
like because you never you're
not you're never not working

1696
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:34,680
right.
So when you get home time, it's

1697
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:40,240
so important.
Like that's why I, you know,

1698
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:42,840
like rent.
Well, I rent.

1699
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,720
I'm still I'm trying to buy a
house, but it's just like I

1700
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,920
can't find one yet.
But a lot of people, the point

1701
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,760
is a lot of people like, oh, I'm
gone so much.

1702
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,640
I'll just live out of a storage
unit, live here and there.

1703
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:56,880
Hell no.
Like to be able to come home to

1704
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,600
your place where your stuff is
in your closet and like your

1705
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,800
bathroom, even if you're there
for a month out of the year, is

1706
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:10,200
priceless.
I 100% agree because I've done

1707
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,520
that living out of, you know,
suitcases and, you know, one

1708
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,160
week here, I'll go stay with a
friend if I'm in between

1709
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,520
something.
And really I was, I was unstable

1710
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,040
then.
This was like many, many years

1711
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,240
ago.
Yeah, really, I was unstable.

1712
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:27,880
And then my little house, this
is, well, this is going about 15

1713
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,960
years ago now when I moved to
Crete and OK, the rent was cheap

1714
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,640
there, you know, it's cheap.
So I again, I didn't really

1715
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:40,000
mind, but I had my base, my
base.

1716
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:45,240
I knew my stuff was there and
really that that made such a

1717
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:46,320
huge.
Difference.

1718
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,080
Oh my God.
For being away.

1719
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,120
It's everything.
Like, and I never believed

1720
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,840
anyone like all my life.
I mean, I've always travelled

1721
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,880
from 18 all the way up till,
well, really up until I stopped

1722
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,240
just before, well, when COVID
happened, I stopped, yeah.

1723
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:08,640
And I, I'm not, I, I don't
travel now at all, but really

1724
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,680
like that was the having that
base, having that security,

1725
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:17,280
knowing that I had a home.
You have somewhere to go that's

1726
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,680
yours, Yeah.
I should have listened to my mom

1727
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,400
all those years ago.
I know, right?

1728
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,600
Mom's raised.
I know, like I, I was like with

1729
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,880
me and my brother, I'm like,
God, mom was right about

1730
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,160
everything.
Like she loves to hear that, of

1731
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,880
course, but it's true.
It all just like it's like it's

1732
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,600
so great.
Aging is so great because it's

1733
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,800
like you mature in such a way
where like things don't matter

1734
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,800
so much anymore and like you
kind of figure out like what's

1735
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,440
great for you and things don't
bother you and you're not

1736
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:48,920
worried so much.
I love it.

1737
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,120
Like I love being like older.
I'm usually the oldest, one of

1738
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:54,360
the oldest people on tour, you
know?

1739
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,760
Well, somewhat, but.
You love being you.

1740
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,120
I love being me.
And like you said, not not

1741
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,680
worrying.
I mean, I am a warrior, OK?

1742
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,280
So I, I, I throw that out the
window.

1743
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,160
I do worry.
I overthink things.

1744
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,400
I'm.
Oh, yeah, I can tell.

1745
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,080
You don't want to let anybody
down like you.

1746
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,200
That personality, I'm the same.
It's like I don't want to let

1747
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,000
anybody down.
I want to be perfect.

1748
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,840
I'm a Virgo, for crying out
loud.

1749
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,280
You.
Know Aries on this side, but

1750
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,960
yeah.
But then slowly I am really

1751
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:31,280
realizing that.
OK, just calm, yeah.

1752
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,520
Everything.
'S going.

1753
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,760
To be fine.
You know, like everything's

1754
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,520
going to be fine if you don't
answer that e-mail straight

1755
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,240
away.
It's OK, right?

1756
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:43,840
I mean, I've actually got a nice
little paragraph at the end of

1757
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:49,360
my e-mail sign out, you know,
and it well actually came from a

1758
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:54,080
lovely gentleman that works,
Martin Ben Payne, and he'd sent

1759
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,640
it to, I'd seen it on his and I
said I've got to copy that

1760
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:03,800
because it was so relevant to we
all work around the world.

1761
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:08,000
So it was like, I'm sending you
this e-mail at the time that's

1762
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,040
convenient for me looking after
our well-being and our mental

1763
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,800
health and our everything,
basically our well-being.

1764
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,960
Please respond at the time that
suits you.

1765
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,440
I'm not expecting a reply.
And I was like, it's amazing.

1766
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,280
And even now, again, I have to
read it to remind myself I've.

1767
01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:25,920
Read that, I'll think of your
e-mail.

1768
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,720
Yeah, I think it's great.
Because it's true, you know,

1769
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,040
like right now, I don't know
what time it is for you now, but

1770
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,760
it's now 6:00 at night for me.
No. 10:10 AM.

1771
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,480
So it's 10:00 AM for you.
It's 6:00 now for me.

1772
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,720
And as I said, now America's
like waking up.

1773
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,080
So then I start responding to
stuff.

1774
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,960
But OK, if I'm home, I don't
mind.

1775
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,600
You know, I'll leave the laptop
on if something comes in.

1776
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,040
But again, you're not switching
off all the time, you know?

1777
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:58,200
So working worldwide and
remotely is amazing, but I have

1778
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,120
to read my own emails
paragraphs.

1779
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,360
Yeah, no, because it's like
you'll never stop and that's not

1780
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,600
good.
Yeah, I mean, it's even funny.

1781
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,520
My, my boss myself, you know, if
I do, I mean, really, I'm

1782
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,920
terrible.
Like when we're back home, I'll

1783
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:17,000
probably be getting ready for
bed between 9:00 and 10:00.

1784
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,280
Really. 9:00 and 10:00 at night.
Like I'm I That's it.

1785
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,160
Winter time.
I've been known to go to bed at

1786
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,320
8 like old and I'm I'm gonna go
to sleep.

1787
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:28,600
Sorry if I'm tired.
I'm tired.

1788
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,160
That would be last night.
I was in bed by night.

1789
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:34,120
I was like, Oh yeah, I'm tired.
That's it, Mark at 4:30 and it

1790
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:38,200
feels like, it's like, you know,
11:00 PM when it's like 8, you

1791
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:39,560
know?
Exactly.

1792
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:43,560
And then if I do respond to, you
know, something like after you

1793
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,080
know, 10:00, he's like, what are
you doing up?

1794
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,120
Yes, I love that.
When they catch you on that and

1795
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:49,280
you're like, OK, good.
I work for some.

1796
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,120
I work for a great person.
It's like, go to bed.

1797
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:54,920
I'm like, yes, sorry, sorry,
sorry, sorry, sorry.

1798
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:55,680
Sorry.
Yes.

1799
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,360
I'm not gonna die.
Yeah, you'll get it done

1800
01:40:58,360 --> 01:40:59,480
tomorrow.
Yes, I will.

1801
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,680
Well, Kristen, I thank you so
much for coming on.

1802
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:04,200
Thank.
You.

1803
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,360
Believe it or not, we didn't
actually have really any time to

1804
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,720
chat on Blink 182 anyway.
No, we didn't, did we?

1805
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:15,960
You know, I think I came up to
you like at the last minute and

1806
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:17,880
said, hey, will you come and
talk to me on my.

1807
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,160
Podcast.
I'm like, I don't know if I'm

1808
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,240
that interesting, but OK, great.
Yeah, let's do it.

1809
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,320
Really, I, I've loved it, I
said.

1810
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,040
That's just thrown by really.
Yeah, I know.

1811
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,760
It really has.
I'm really glad that you asked

1812
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,880
me and I'm glad that I did this.
It was really, really fun and.

1813
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,160
I Somewhere around the world,
our paths cross again.

1814
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,080
Absolutely, absolutely.
I appreciate the opportunity.

1815
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,760
In Athens and you got some time
off either side of a tour.

1816
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,120
Come and see me on Crete.
Yes, please.

1817
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,880
I've only been to Greece maybe
once or twice, and you know, you

1818
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:51,920
never have any time, at least I
never do.

1819
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,480
So I would love to.
Yeah, I would love to.

1820
01:41:55,480 --> 01:41:58,160
My doors always open.
I love that.

1821
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:00,880
Well, happy holidays.
Thank you.

1822
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,240
Happy holidays to you too.