#283 - LDI Review with Marcel and Sarah

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Welcome to episode #283 And so
today Sarah and I are doing a

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bit of a review on the LDI trade
show.

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We just got back from it.
Well, I just got back from it.

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She's still in Las Vegas having
a party and it was fun.

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It was a blast.
We're going to talk a bit about

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dining with dinosaurs, little
bit about some of the things

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that I saw or she saw that were
great, just some of the fun

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times and it was a blast.
Man, I I missed not going to it

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last year for the first time, I
think in 30 something years.

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And so this year I was really
happy to be back.

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It was a good show.
It was crowded, lots of cool

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product, great friends and some
stories to tell as well.

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So I hope you enjoy it.
Have fun.

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What happened?
What happened, Marcel?

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You left me.
Yeah, in Vegas.

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A minute ago we were having
breakfast at the hotel at the

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Renaissance.
The lovely Renaissance.

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Yeah.
Yep.

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So it was funny because Sarah
was staying at a different

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hotel, but I had a $50 a day
credit and I won't tell you why

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because it's embarrassing, but I
had a $50 a day credit for the

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restaurant and and so Sarah came
over and had breakfast every.

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Day yeah me and my husband we we
gate crashed hotel and had

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breakfast and it was yummy
every.

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Day, Yeah.
What was your favorite?

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What was your favorite?
Which?

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Which breakfast was your
favorite?

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Oh, avocado toast, of course.
I don't know, it was a little

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weird though.
The avocado toast was weird.

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I.
Kind of like the.

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The eggs Benny that your husband
liked.

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So much, yeah.
He loved that.

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It's funny because you don't
think there's anyone on earth

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who's never had eggs Benedict,
but in comes Minoli and he's

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like.
What is that?

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What did you do?
Is this Crocodile Dundee in

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Vegas?
Crocodile Dundee, Minoli and the

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The other funny thing was the
first day we got there, when we

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faked your birthday in the
restaurant and we got Bloody

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Mary's and he's like, what is
this Bloody Mary?

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He didn't like it so much.
He's like tomato juice with

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vodka.
Yeah.

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He hates it.
But then the worst thing was

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that then two days later we
turned up and it actually was

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his birthday.
It is his birthday.

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I think they think we're
bullshitting even though we

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weren't.
Yeah, I know.

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Yeah, that's OK, everyone.
'S so The funny thing is like

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really, because so for those of
you that don't know my husband's

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Greek and really, you know, he's
not left the island boy.

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He hasn't, you know, couple of
places in Europe, Europe, but

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you know, never as far as
America.

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And he's never been a Mexican
meal, like apart from my cookie,

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which doesn't count.
So last night we went for a

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Mexican and he's like wow.
Saw God and then today he's been

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on the toilet all day.
Yeah, that's usually how Mexican

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gets you, you know?
Oh, this tastes good.

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Let me have more.
All those Gabenos, they're

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amazing.
Yeah.

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And then Jeremy, Jeremy says,
you know, we really burns on the

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way out too.
Yeah.

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So this was what like your
second industry trade show,

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right for our industry?
3rd actually third. 3rd What was

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the other one?
What was it?

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Because I know you had Plaza.
Plaza was my very first and

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prolite.
Yeah, Prolite.

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I forgot about Prolite.
Yeah.

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And then and now here.
So what was if I was to ask you

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your grand view of how did you
like it?

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What'd you think like overall?
Overall, it was overwhelming.

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That's the first thing.
Like it's, you know, it's so

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intense.
It's so busy.

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And I suppose being there for
the three days, I mean, we were

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there for the grand opening, the
clapping, you know, coming into

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LDRI, that was, you know, that
that was just, that was just

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great.
And then coming in and it was so

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busy everywhere.
Yeah.

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I think my brain kind of went to
mush and everything I wanted to

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be there for.
I was like, oh, you know, like,

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yeah.
And of course, walking around

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with you, you knew everybody.
And, you know, it was it was

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just like, OK.
And I mean both of us by the end

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of it.
I mean, my back, my legs, my I

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was like, Oh my goodness.
This is just insane.

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Well, the concrete floors too.
Like standing around on concrete

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floors.
I remember when they used to

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have carpet in the aisles too.
From an axe, go start an axe and

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just like spring around.
Yeah, ACT has like this much

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padding on their floor.
You can tell who's selling the

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real MA consoles and who's
selling the fake ones.

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Yeah, seriously, that was like,
I just went back there just to

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stand on their carpet.
I know.

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I know it was so relaxing
standing on that carpet, you

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know, Speaking of act, it was
pretty freaky on the first day

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running into Ben.
And you've met Ben before or no?

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No, I don't believe so, no.
So I'm good friends with Ben

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from ACT and I like he walked by
me, didn't even notice him walks

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up And first of all, he's
wearing a friggin cowboy hat.

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So, you know, a a New York Jew
in a cowboy hat just doesn't

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really catch me instantly, you
know.

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So then I took a second take and
I'm like Ben and he goes, yeah,

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what's happening?
That's.

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Some like.
He's literally like AI don't

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know half of what he was last
time I saw him, which wasn't

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that long ago and you know it.
It's remarkable.

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Like I was blown away.
Good on him.

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And that probably just added 20
years to his life, you know,

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plus he.
Looks great photos but really I

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I mean you doubled took but and
I was like oh wow yeah that's

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Ben that's you know I.
Mean.

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He's skinny, he's little, he's
small, like and.

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Like like you said, you know,
eating healthy, exercising, it

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works well.
That's what he said.

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I, I said to him, Ben, how did
you do it?

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And I'm expecting Ozempic and
this and that drug and this

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doctor.
And he goes, you know, it's

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amazing.
And I said what?

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And he goes.
Apparently eating good and

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exercising is a thing, you know.
But I feel like I've got on like

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2 kilos just from being here.
You know, it's funny, I weighed

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myself when I got back and I was
the same, so I might have even

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lost a pound just from The
Walking around.

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And stuff.
Walking around?

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Yeah, too.
But I mean, I'm used to eating

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like a pig when it comes to
living in the United States, you

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know, because everything's so
big here.

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It's hard here.
Really.

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It's it's hard, you know, like I
come from a, you know, a rich

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land full of natural vegetables
and, you know, all the rest of

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it.
And every meal comes with so

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many vegetables, even in
Tavernos and everything, you

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know, shelfie lifestyle.
Yeah.

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And he.
Yeah.

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I mean, I said to Manoli last
night, I said, what are we gonna

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eat?
You know, and everywhere is like

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burgers and, you know, all this.
And so we opted for Mexican,

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which, you know, Yeah.
I thought that was kind of

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health.
Good choice.

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That was a good choice.
Well, plus, you know, when's the

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next time he's going to be back
in Vegas, You might as well

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experience as many things as you
possibly can while you're here,

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so.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
So, but overall the show aside

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from overwhelming like comparing
it to the other two shows that

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you've been to what, what would
you how would you compare?

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It obviously that was my first
one and that, you know, that's a

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lot smaller, but I felt that was
more intimate at Plaza, so I

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thought one was more intimate.
Like was that before or after

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COVID?
I can't remember.

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Oh, that was after.
Yeah, so that's probably why it

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was more intimate.
It was one of the earliest shows

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right after COVID, and people
were still freaked out.

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So a lot of people wouldn't go
because they didn't want to be

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around crowds and they were
nervous and stuff.

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So I.
Think I did come back with

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covered from that life.
I think he did, actually.

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Yeah, I remember that.
A lot of people did, actually.

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I talked to a lot of people.
I got freaking coveted at Plaza.

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Yeah, that's hilarious.
Yeah.

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I think I did.
And I was like, felt really

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strange.
Like it's not how I normally

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feel.
And I was like, oh, Oh, yeah, I,

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I got COVID.
So you infected the Greek island

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of Crete with COVID I.
Did we Didn't have it before I

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turned back.
That's funny.

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A good friend of mine actually
in Canmore, the little town

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where I have my house up in
Canada, was patient number one

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in maybe even Alberta, but
certainly in Canmore.

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He was on a ski trip in France
and didn't know he had got it.

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He was on the airplane and
started kind of feeling sick and

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going, I feel like crap, I must
have gotten a bug or something.

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And by the time he got to
Alberta, you know, the whole

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COVID thing had hit and he had
it and, and was like patient

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one, which which is a pretty
crazy story.

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So, So yeah, Plaza smaller.
What about Prolite?

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I mean obviously bigger.
It was it was I mean that for me

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was huge.
And even as far as the, you

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know, everybody's like booths,
they were so much bigger than

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than here.
So I remember even robe like

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they had the like a huge stand
and like I like dancers dancing

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in the rain to their lights.
And so that was like really

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massive for me.
And I suppose as well, I was on

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my own there.
Yeah.

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So that was kind of, again, very
intimidating walking around a

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show and especially going to
introduce yourself as.

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Hi, I'm Sarah.
And at the time I was like, Gear

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Source.
Hi, I'm Sarah from Gear Source.

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People were like, who?
OK, I.

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Yeah, right.
But you know me, I don't mind

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doing that.
So I actually, you know, walking

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around there.
I mean, that was two days, three

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days I was there and that was
that was really mega.

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And then coming to this one,
obviously we were there the

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first day where we did so much
walking around and he was

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introducing me to everybody.
We had the amazing event that

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night, which I think we both
went upstaging.

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I think we both, yeah, we'll.
Get to that, we'll get to that.

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We will.
I know, but we like, we both

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were like, Oh my goodness.
Like so, so, so tired.

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Come on, we're going to have
energy.

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Let's do it.
Yeah.

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And then of course, we had
dining with dinosaurs the next

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day.
Which one are we going to talk

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about?
And that was.

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A bit of a whirlwind, like it's
like you, you hit the ground the

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morning of the first day and you
just keep going and going and

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going and.
Then on the last day when you

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left, so we had breakfast and I
went to, went to, I'm going to

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say pro light, then went to LDI
and oh, it was, it was just, it

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was dead.
Yeah, I knew I would be.

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I knew like a a.
Yeah, I know.

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But it was like, it was so nice.
I got to meet Lori from Behind

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the Scenes Foundation.
Oh, cool.

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Yeah, really.
They had a great booth and it's

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funny because where they were
located, I kept on trying to

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find it throughout when we were
walking around, but it it

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wasn't, it didn't stand out as
much.

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Then when I realised, Oh yeah,
that's that's it.

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So when I went straight,
straight to see Lori bought some

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amazing Christmas cards from
them.

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You know, I love their cards.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So I got some nice Christmas

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cards for the family when I get
back.

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And their setup was great there,
you know, and what they're

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doing, you know, I spoke to her
a lot about this.

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What they're doing for the
industry is so huge because

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people are on the road so much
that they need a safe.

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They, you know, call it a safe
space that you need somewhere to

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go and to know that you can just
talk, just do whatever.

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I mean, I was, she's saying to
her, a friend of mine, I don't

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know, she's doing it so much
now.

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I think it kind of stopped
really after COVID.

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But she was called therapy on
tour.

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So she was a therapist and she
went on tour and I believe she

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was like doing both lighting and
the therapy.

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And she was like, it was such a
huge success because they gave

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her a little room anytime the
crew could just come talk to

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her.
And then she also had clients

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that she would have online that,
you know, they could go back to

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their hotel rooms and then they
could also chat like that.

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And I said to Laurie, like, I
think it's a an amazing thing to

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do to have a therapist on tour,
but there's not many tours out

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there or tour managed tour tour
productions.

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They're going to pay for a
therapist to come on tour to

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give them a route, give them a
bus to give them all of these

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things.
But then on the flip side,

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they'll pay pay for a tattoo
artist.

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Well, no, but at the front end
of that, you have to 1st give a

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shit.
Like, first of all, you have to

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be like, you know, mental health
is important to this tour and

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it's important to me.
And I wanna make sure that we

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share that knowledge and, and
share some resources and stuff

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so that people when they are
struggling, because sometimes

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they do, you know, people do
struggle.

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You're away from your family,
your spouses, whatever.

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It is everything.
You can just get someone that's

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just not feeling so good that
day when you don't understand.

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I mean, I've been on many a
tours and, you know, even for

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me, you know, I've gone, my God,
you're, you're, you're bloody

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rude, you know, And then also
I've, I've taken a step back and

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I'm like, why is why is that
person being rude?

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Yeah, maybe me.
I have approached him at the

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time or her at a certain time
and I've got he knows

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everything, OK.
And then that's it.

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Boom.
No, actually my, my, my mum's

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really sick or this is
happening, this is happening,

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this is happening.
I'm like, OK, I said now you

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know, you can always come to me,
you could talk.

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You won't go any further.
And but you know, Sarah, The

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funny thing is though, like,
yeah, The funny thing is that,

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or it's not so funny, but being
of an older generation, being

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old like I am, you know, we grew
up really where you didn't go to

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therapists and you didn't, you
know, you just dealt with your

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shit, you know, and, and if you
had real problems, you might

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call a, a sibling or something
like that, but you wouldn't even

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go to your friends and say, Hey,
I'm, I'm struggling a bit today

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because they'd punch you in the
arm and go get your, get it

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together, man.
This is going to sound horrible,

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I think, Harsha said.
We we have become.

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Well, we're softer.
No, no, we have.

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We've become softer.
I mean you, my goodness, if

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that's.
Good, by the way, there's some

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real good to that.
And you know, a recent guest,

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Featherstone, John Featherstone,
you know, I don't think he's

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soft.
He's, he's a very strong

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individual, very bright
individual, but he celebrates,

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you know, helping each other
and, and taking care of each

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other and all of those things.
And I know I've focused on a lot

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more because again, I'm not
advocating that you need to be

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tough and just suck it up or
whatever.

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I, I think that's one of the
things like I'm not a very woke

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person, but if you look at the
woke crowd, it's one of the

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things that what I really
appreciate is the fact that

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people do reach out and help
each other and people do make

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that a priority now.
And so I agree with you.

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I love what Lori's doing.
I love that there's other

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resources in our industry doing
the same thing.

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There is other resources for me
though, I think now with social

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media.
So going back to like, we were

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like in older days, we were
harder.

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Well, if we did something, say
something stupid, you know,

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maybe on a night out, whatever,
you know, on a tour.

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Yeah.
Well, it's forgotten about

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because it it was done now.
People recorded it.

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It's uploaded onto Facebook.
It's uploaded onto here.

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Yeah.
Then the whole world knows.

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Yeah.
So in a way, you know, that's

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the the saying of, you know,
what happens in Vegas stays in

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Vegas.
Well, that's not true anymore.

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No, I mean, look at when when
these pop stars or whatever

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start coming out with a problem
or something and they start

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getting piled on.
Look at all the evidence that

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comes out against people.
It's just unbelievable.

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You know, I'm fortunate that I
was a touring musician when

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there were no cell phones and
there was no evidence.

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There just wasn't like if you
had a camera, it was this big,

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so nobody was sneaking a picture
of you.

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It was a huge camera this big,
right?

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And and nobody carried cameras,
you know, now absolutely

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everyone carries a camera in
their pocket, you know, it's

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called an iPhone or whatever.
And yeah, I mean, believe me, I

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thank God every day that there
were no cell phones when I.

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Was a kid 'cause?
You know, I would have either

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been Instagram famous or you
know, much worse than that.

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You know, something much, much
worse.

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I would have been 1 of this me
too movement or something.

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I don't know but.
But going back to my my

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highlight, you know I'm going to
say was Dynamie Dinosaurs.

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Meeting.
All of these legends, you know,

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all in one place and also some
of them have been on the

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podcast.
So to actually give them a hug

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and I love that as well because
again, nobody knows me.

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They've just had an e-mail from
me.

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They've just had, you know,
they've seen, if they've been on

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the podcast, they've seen us
like this.

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And so many people, not just the
dinosaurs, but so many people,

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when we were walking around, it
was like, hey, oh, you're Sarah.

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And it was a big hug, you know?
And, and that for me was it.

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That was that was also
overwhelming.

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That was like, oh, wow, OK.
Like speaking.

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Of which, though, what about
meeting me?

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You got to meet me on Saturday.
We.

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Met finally.
Let me think about that.

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The first thing you did to me
gave me and my husband a Bloody

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Mary.
Well, hey, that's how we that's

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how we say hello here in America
in.

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Greece.
It's that crap that you.

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Made me drink.
What's that?

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Crap called that.
You made me drink.

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Oh, Rocky.
Yeah, so see, like a Bloody Mary

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at least has flavor and it even
has some nutrition.

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It's got some fruit in it,
tomato juice.

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You know, you give me this shit
that I I could run my BMW off

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of.
It was fire.

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Rocky, it's called.
And what I would say is Rocky's

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wacky and stay away from it.
Don't touch it.

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It's bad for you.
It keeps you awake a little bit

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longer.
Man, I don't know what it kept

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me, but it got me on my toes.
It kept me warm, that's for

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sure.
That was frightening.

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Yeah.
So we did finally get to meet on

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Saturday.
That was fun.

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It was fun, it was it was great.
And I gave you a big hug too.

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I know, I know.
And then you kept hugging me.

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And so anyways, yeah, I mean,
walking around meeting people

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had to be, again, a little bit
overwhelming for you because so

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many of these people, you feel
like you knew, like, you know,

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Scott DeVos, you know, the guy
who helped us put together this

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whole Dining with dinosaurs
thing, meeting him.

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And he's such a lovely guy.
He's such a nice guy, you know?

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He has got a heart of gold and
doing the events and seeing just

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how much pleasure I mean we,
we've been in contact.

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Meant so much to him.
It meant.

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So much to him, it really did,
yeah.

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And and to a lot of people, you
know, they were like everybody

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in that room, you know, coming
together.

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It was probably well, you know,
that the the highlight, you

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know, of most and certainly it
was for me, you know, even

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meeting Roy, Roy Bickel, I mean,
he's.

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Yeah, Roy Bickel was awesome.
Oh.

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Guy.
I mean, seriously.

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I mean, if you look at that
guy's story, I mean, you know,

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he literally was the guy who
started Rock'n'roll rigging, you

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know, crazy story, that room.
So we're now talking about

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Dining with Dinosaurs, which was
an event where the general idea

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was we're going to get 14 or 15
people that were calling

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dinosaurs men and women.
And, you know, the only real

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criteria is that we sort of set
an age.

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And yes, we're being ageist and
discriminating against young

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people at this point.
Strike me dead.

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But we set an age at 60.
You have to be over 60.

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And that doesn't mean that
everybody over 60 is a dinosaur.

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So listen to all the disclaimers
I'm dropping here because I

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don't want to offend anyone, but
we set a, a sort of limit saying

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and I, by the way, I think Seth
Jackson cheated because I don't

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think Seth is 60.
Not 60.

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I don't think Seth is 60.
So Seth, if you're listening to

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this, shame on you for cheating.
You look absolutely incredible.

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Good for 60.
Yeah, but, and by the way, it

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was great having Seth there.
So I'm not knocking it, but

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yeah, so I mean, just different
people from all kinds of

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different places and, and walks
of life, you know, lighting

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designers and unfortunately, our
token sound guy, Dave, I always

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pronounce his last name.
Wrong.

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Chadon, Dave Chadon from sound
image slash Now Claire brothers,

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I guess, but Dave didn't make it
'cause he was sick.

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Just like the day of he was
coming and just went, guys, I'm

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really sorry I can't do it.
But I mean, so we had the

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original concept was get these
dinosaurs, you know, one at each

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table and then a bunch of
students slash industry people

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slash whoever wanted to come
basically to sit at the table

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and ask questions and start
discussions and hear stories and

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all kinds of cool things.
Cool concept, right?

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Well, it just became like this
crazy free for all of

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information where you had
sometimes three and four

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00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,720
dinosaurs congregating at a
table, and the six people who

449
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,440
got to sit with them were just
mind blown.

450
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,800
Yeah.
And I remember I was at one

451
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,720
table where John Wiseman was
talking to some younger people.

452
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,440
So a couple of young ladies,
actually.

453
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Yeah.
And one of the girls said, like

454
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,160
John was saying, you know, have
you heard of Mötley Crüe?

455
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,640
Nope.
Have you heard of or?

456
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,440
No Mötley Crüe she had heard of,
but he was naming a bunch of

457
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,320
different bands and she'd never
heard of them.

458
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,000
And and he said, well, what
bands did you listen to, like,

459
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,800
growing up and stuff?
What music, rock music do you

460
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,520
remember?
And she goes, oh, I loved Black

461
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,680
Sabbath.
And he goes, Black Sabbath.

462
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,440
Hang on a second.
Well, guess who just happens to

463
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,480
be in the room is Nick Jackson
from Light and Sound Design.

464
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:03,000
And so Nick Jackson comes over
and and he's like, OK, so I

465
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,600
wasn't in Black Sabbath, but I
lived in the same town that they

466
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,840
grew up in and, you know, knew
them from a very early age,

467
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800
worked with them a ton over
their careers.

468
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,360
And she starts asking him all
these questions.

469
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:15,880
And then they get into Mötley
Crüe.

470
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
And John's been with Mötley Crüe
since forever.

471
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,640
And, you know, just the banter.
And John had a blast.

472
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,440
Like John told me after he said
that was so refreshing.

473
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:33,720
And, you know, Peter Morris
loved it, Cosmo loved it, Jake

474
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440
Berry loved it.
Like Jake at first was a little

475
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,120
bit grumpy and kind of like, I
don't know if I'm going to like

476
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,000
this thing.
And then he wouldn't shut up.

477
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,440
I mean, the guy just had a blast
and his table was full all the

478
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,560
time, right?
And yeah, I mean, just such a

479
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,040
killer.
And the people who were coming

480
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,160
in after the fact, like Nick
Jackson and, and, you know,

481
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,720
production managers and
massively famous television

482
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,240
lighting people and other
lighting people and I.

483
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,320
Was it was like it was like a
party, the beginning always

484
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,680
slow, you know, it, it was now
looking back, you know, we could

485
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,160
have definitely organized the,
the start part, you know, a

486
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,160
little bit better.
You know, we we've already

487
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,840
discussed this literally by the
end.

488
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,280
I mean, the only reason why we
left that room was because

489
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,840
they'll de rigging it because
otherwise everybody was still.

490
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,040
So once it was kind of like
announced that it was over, you

491
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,120
know, and slowly, slowly, please
leave, you know, everyone then

492
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,240
started getting together again
on different tables or standing

493
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,000
up and talking like it really
could have gone on for there's

494
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,920
so much longer.
Well, and that's one of the

495
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,040
things for next year, you know,
next year we've already got a

496
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,120
lot of ideas of how we're going
to change this.

497
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840
So by the way, folks, there is
going to be a next year.

498
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,840
You know, LDI and most of the
people who were there all told

499
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,040
me that it was the event of the
show.

500
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,120
Like it was just, it wasn't the
biggest, you know, there were

501
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,840
probably a total of 100 people
in the room or something.

502
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,760
But but it was the quality and
the the information that was

503
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,200
shared and even in a sense the
format.

504
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,480
I mean, the fact sitting and
casually having lunch with some

505
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600
people while you're having
conversation is a pretty cool

506
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,120
thing.
We are going to add some

507
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,000
wrinkles and components to that
that'll change it a lot.

508
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,080
The.
Potential that's there is huge.

509
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,040
Yeah, I think that's the thing,
you know.

510
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,040
As a start, I mean, for the
first time ever to have done

511
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,920
that with no signage, no swag,
no real branding, not much of

512
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,080
anything, not much promotion.
You know, I think we blew it out

513
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,600
of the park.
And I will say, and you got a

514
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,160
promise.
You got a promise not to, to

515
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,640
start crying.
But I will say that you killed

516
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,680
it.
You crushed it.

517
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,120
You.
Did a fantastic job.

518
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,200
You did all the hard stuff, you
know, I just got to show up and

519
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,440
be the rock star.
But yeah.

520
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,320
But you know me too well.
Don't say nice things about me.

521
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,000
Yeah, I know.
That's what I said.

522
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,720
You can't start crying again.
But but no, you, you did, you

523
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,680
killed it.
You did such a good job, you

524
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,400
know, And again, like people, I
don't know if you know this, but

525
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,200
Sarah lives in Crete.
She lives on an island in

526
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Greece.
And from there, she's calling

527
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,040
lighting designers and, and all
these people in America and

528
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,080
Canada and wherever and making
all these plans and working with

529
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,640
Ellen at, at LDII really did
nothing.

530
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,280
You know, I helped sort of spawn
the seed into into a full blown

531
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,360
idea and concept and then just
handed it back to Sarah, who,

532
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400
you know, definitely.
Pulled in Scott DeVos.

533
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,080
A lot and you guys created it
you.

534
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Guys made it up, both of you,
though, you, you and Scott and

535
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,440
Ellen, you all helped me, guided
me throughout everything.

536
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320
And it was a pleasure to, to,
to, to do it.

537
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,680
And it was at the end, I think
when you did your little speech

538
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,800
and people did clap me.
I was like, why?

539
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,440
Why me?
Yeah.

540
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,600
Oh, OK.
Thank you.

541
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400
People recognize what you were
doing, you know, and, and I

542
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,760
think even on this podcast, like
people now know that, you know,

543
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240
I'm an idiot.
I just show up and talk and

544
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,120
you're the one doing all the
editing and the promoting and

545
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,640
the booking of guests and
managing the sponsors and all

546
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,480
this stuff.
So I get the credit, but you get

547
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,560
the the work.
And so, yeah, yeah.

548
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:28,080
And so, you know, again, I mean,
I, I have this problem where I

549
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,560
always I'm the first person to
volunteer to do things when I

550
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,600
think that I can move the
sticks, when I think that I can

551
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,720
make an impact, I'm the first
person to raise my hand and say,

552
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,880
yes, I want to do it, I'll do
it, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll

553
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,680
jump in, even if it's going to
be, you know, sleepless nights

554
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,480
and loads of work and all this
stuff.

555
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,800
And I get paid nothing.
And sometimes people go, you're

556
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,480
an idiot for doing this.
And but I just love it.

557
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Like if I can, if I can help,
help to move something forward

558
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,520
and make an impact, I want to do
it.

559
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,720
And so, you know, I went to the
show thinking, OK, this is

560
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,160
probably just a one off thing.
And as soon as it I was in that

561
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160
room and I saw people starting
to show up and I saw some of the

562
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,880
conversations starting and
stuff, I went, uh oh, you know,

563
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,200
now we've done it.
You know, this is going to be

564
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280
big.
Like, I think this could be, you

565
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,640
know, hundreds of people,
hundreds of guests and, you

566
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,240
know, 50 or 60 dinosaurs.
Not, not 14.

567
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,800
Yeah, but you know, let's see
like next year we're gonna

568
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,720
change up the format, add some
cool stuff.

569
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,760
We'll definitely get some cool
swag made and and a lot more

570
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,600
promotional materials and stuff
so that people know about it.

571
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,640
Because I know after it was
over, a lot of people went, hey,

572
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,560
when is that thing?
Somebody just told me about it

573
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,480
and I'd say.
Yeah, I know.

574
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,320
So.
Yeah.

575
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,920
Talk of the show.
As we said we we even need a big

576
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,480
dinosaur going around LDI like
on the day dressed up.

577
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,880
Are you volunteering?
Yeah, I am.

578
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,880
You know you're.
Going to dress in a dinosaur

579
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,120
suit and walk around the show.
I will do anything.

580
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,280
If it gets more people in, I'll
do anything.

581
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Boy, here we go.
You heard it here, although

582
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Sarah does the editing.
She'll delete it.

583
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Tiny dinosaurs.
Come this way.

584
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440
Come this way.
Yeah, I was doing that too.

585
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Nah, it was fun, man.
It was, it was really fun and

586
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,840
pat on our backs, you know, I I
think it was a good thing And,

587
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,440
and look forward to doing it
next year.

588
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,640
I think it's going to be really
fun.

589
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,440
And who knows, maybe at some
point we'll grow into a, you

590
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,240
know, Dining with Dinosaurs
European edition that we do at

591
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,240
the Plaza show or at ISE or at,
you know, one of the European

592
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,160
shows, you know, and do the same
thing over there.

593
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,240
So that was what day was that?
That was on Monday.

594
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,520
So Sunday you were saying, yeah,
busy, busy, crazy show.

595
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,640
You know, I know you probably
can't talk much about products.

596
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,200
Did you see any products that
jumped out at you that you can

597
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,680
remember what they were?
Well, the only one was at

598
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Feralite, which I don't think we
can talk about, but that, yeah,

599
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,000
we.
Can talk about that.

600
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,200
We didn't sign an NDA.
Oh.

601
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,960
OK.
I thought you couldn't have

602
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,680
couldn't do it.
That that one for me because it

603
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,280
was the talk and basically
because Chris Conti had said you

604
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,920
got to go there.
Yeah, like not for me because

605
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,440
obviously, yes, my hands up.
You know, I don't know about

606
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240
what product, Yeah, but.
You can tell when some when

607
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,280
there's something revolutionary
happening you.

608
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,040
Can tell when something's
revolutionary and the fact that

609
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,240
you know, we've had Chris Conti
on the show.

610
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,400
I know all about Chris and how
incredible he is.

611
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:34,720
So for him to endorse that we
both, we all went on straight,

612
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840
headed straight there and that
was.

613
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,960
So this thing just to fill in
some.

614
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Blanks cuz.
I know that Sarah's running out

615
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,200
of information here.
It's called the VL Hive and they

616
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,800
were showing it in a private
room.

617
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,160
Couple of highlights. 1 is that
it is to be made in the United

618
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,760
States, which is a big, bold and
very exciting move, I think on

619
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,560
their part.
I think it's gonna be hard for

620
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,920
them to do that cuz as the cost
starts creeping up the sort of

621
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,400
market starts shrinking so they
do need to point.

622
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,360
As well, it is a huge selling
point, but made in made in

623
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,080
America, I know it's gonna be, I
mean.

624
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,720
The point is, if it takes it
from being a $6000 light to

625
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,080
being a a $15,000 light, it's
it's obviously very challenging,

626
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,800
but I don't even know how to
explain what it is like.

627
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,960
A lot of people compared it to
the Medusa or the Icon M back in

628
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
the whatever.
It was early 2000s when they

629
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,880
came out with that, the Icon M,
the Medusa, the M box.

630
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,240
It's sort of what that vision
was.

631
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,360
It's a video based light and
everything is a pixel and the

632
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,360
way you can control those pixels
is really, really interesting.

633
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Does one of the best fire
effects I think I've ever seen.

634
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,960
It's bright as hell cuz that was
one of the complaints with the

635
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,960
Icon M and the Medusa and all of
those things is that it was

636
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,280
really hard to get intensity
because I think at that time

637
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,360
they were using LCD technology
and you could only get so much

638
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,560
light through them because they
burn up and stuff.

639
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,960
So now they're using LED
obviously.

640
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,520
And each of the LE DS is a pixel
in an array.

641
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,360
And the way they manage those
arrays, like, you know,

642
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,159
basically if you're using part
of the light, not the whole

643
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,159
array, all of the energy goes to
part of the light.

644
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,199
So you're still getting the same
amount of lumens out of the

645
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:34,360
front of the light it it's cool.
Now on the downside, what I

646
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:41,440
would say is I don't think I
think it's revolutionary in in

647
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,639
in the idea that basically it's
a step.

648
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,120
I think it's a huge step towards
digital lighting taking over and

649
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,639
getting rid of all the gobos and
a color wheels and things like

650
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,600
that.
I think it's a massive step in

651
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,240
the right direction.
I don't think it's the destiny,

652
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120
I think it's the journey.
It's part of the journey, but

653
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,480
it's not the destination yet.
Do I think there's applications

654
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,440
for it?
Absolutely.

655
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,360
Do I think they'll sell some?
Yes, I do.

656
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Do I think it's the gotta have
light yet?

657
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,160
I don't know.
I haven't seen enough yet.

658
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,880
And to me it's it's a very
positive step though towards

659
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,240
digital lighting.
And again, it's called the VL

660
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,480
Hive.
Yeah, that was AVL, Yeah.

661
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,160
Yeah.
And you know, you had to sign a

662
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,240
thing to get in there, but there
was no NDAI didn't I read it

663
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,320
quite.
I read it carefully to make sure

664
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,480
that I wasn't going to step out
of line and talk about the

665
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,680
thing.
But I think they've actually

666
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,680
started doing some promotion on
it too, so they're saying it's

667
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480
going to be shipping in like
February or something.

668
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,440
Yeah, they said February,
February, March, which I thought

669
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,960
was insane.
It's.

670
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Pretty wild, because it seems
like when you've got new

671
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,840
technology like that, it's going
to take a heck of a lot longer.

672
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,200
But I think they've been
developing it for a while, so.

673
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,240
And again, the really exciting
thing is that it's going to be

674
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,000
available soon, you know?
Yeah.

675
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,760
And it's going to be made in the
United States.

676
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Another one for me was seeing
the Martin MAC1UP close.

677
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,920
Yeah, yeah, it's a tiny.
Yeah, I know.

678
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,680
I love it.
It's tiny and it's light and you

679
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,040
know, people think that they're
one of our sponsors or

680
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,760
something, but as much as I've
tried to shake money out of

681
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,880
those bastards at Martin, I
can't yet.

682
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Friggin Korean Samsung bastards
won't pay us.

683
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,720
Anything.
But maybe they will after this

684
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,640
wonderful promotion that I've
just done.

685
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,960
No calling them bastards and
cheap and everything.

686
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,440
But you know, people know my
history.

687
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,840
I think having been part of the
foundation of Martin, I was

688
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,880
there in the very early years
and helped create that brand.

689
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:52,000
But I love seeing them succeed
because part of Martin will

690
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,160
always be in my blood.
You know, I'll always have a

691
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,920
little bit of Martin running
through my blood and which is

692
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,520
another reason they should
sponsor us.

693
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,120
And it's funny as well, because
for me, obviously, when I was

694
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,680
with Gear Source with you, yeah,
someone that I really, really

695
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,040
used to love working together
with was Ben and your Kim Pain.

696
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Yeah.
And yeah, Ben pain like and your

697
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Kim.
And so when I as soon as I saw

698
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,280
them, I like went for a beeline
just to say hi.

699
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Yeah.
So that was great.

700
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Yeah.
No, but the Mac 1 is really like

701
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,600
I.
People have asked me already,

702
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,080
you know, what were your
favorite products?

703
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,840
And I said, well, for sure, two
of them were the smallest and

704
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,000
the biggest light there.
You know that one.

705
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,360
And the GLP big huge sky tracker
thing was kind of cool too.

706
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,920
You saw that, didn't you, at the
GLP booth?

707
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,880
German lighting product, the big
it was a like this.

708
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,400
Big around.
Sky tracker thing that was just

709
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,760
pointed up.
At the ceiling and.

710
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,600
It had LED lenses like this over
each of the LEDs.

711
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,000
It was massive, but yeah, that
was cool.

712
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,920
But for sure the Mac one, I
think that thing's gonna be

713
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,880
succeeding for for a while yet.
It hits a crazy price point that

714
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,680
nothing else hits.
It's light, it's small.

715
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,360
They've come up with all kinds
of cool accessories for it, you

716
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,680
know, bar 4:00 and all these
different things.

717
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,800
It's just it's a winner.
It's it's a winner If if I owned

718
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,160
a.
Lighter.

719
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,720
Winner.
I'd have hundreds of them.

720
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,240
Talking to winners, we've got to
say congratulations to Elation.

721
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,280
Yes, yeah, well, and also well
deserved.

722
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Like, I don't know, you probably
didn't spend much time looking

723
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,920
at it, but I checked out that
Paragon series and the stuff is

724
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080
nice.
It's it's bright, it's small.

725
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,800
It's.
Less no, it's great, but it's

726
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,360
looking at everything and.
It's IP rated, it's IP rated.

727
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,280
It's small, it's light, it's
bright.

728
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,280
It's it's very, very cool stuff.
I think, you know, a lot of

729
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,640
times when I see companies
coming out with new ranges of

730
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,160
light, I go, OK, yeah, they
added a gobo or something.

731
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,160
This one really was pretty
revolutionary and and I think

732
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,720
it's going to become a real
staple in their lineup.

733
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,600
I think they're going to sell a
shit ton of these Paragon

734
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,880
fixtures and good on them.
I mean, that's that's a good

735
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,560
thing.
And they do sponsor US Martin

736
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,560
guys.
So see how nice I talk about

737
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,920
elation because they actually do
sponsor and support us, but they

738
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,080
also had an, forgive me, I
forget what it's called, but

739
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,280
they have the little laser laser
sourced fixture as well.

740
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,240
That is not, and this is going
to go over your head a bit here.

741
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,040
So you don't require a variance
to use it in the United States.

742
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,880
You don't need a laser variance
to use it.

743
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,440
And as far as I know, and
correct me if I'm wrong people,

744
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,280
I'm sure you will, it is the
first laser sourced fixture of

745
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,120
all of these.
There's a bunch of different

746
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,880
ones out there from Claypacki
and Airton and other companies,

747
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,240
but it's the first one that does
not require the variance.

748
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,680
So Sarah, what that means is
basically the ones that require

749
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,440
a variance, anytime you use a
laser in the United States, you

750
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,880
have to basically this variance
thing means that you have to

751
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,000
have a technician on hand and
and it's got to be a certified

752
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,920
laser technician.
And yeah, so there it's a pain

753
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,160
in the ass basically.
You can't just sell them to a

754
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,480
company and then they go put
them on jobs.

755
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,160
You have to scan them above
people's heads.

756
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,000
You can't put them in people's
eyes, which is crazy because

757
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,800
it's no brighter than any other
fixture that you're pointing in

758
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,960
people's eyes.
So.

759
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
That was Cynthia that told me
that.

760
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,200
Wow, she actually learned
something in 20 something years

761
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,520
working for me.
Act, another company that does

762
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,720
actually support us.
Are they released?

763
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,200
So they had the Rivali I think
that came out last year at LDI,

764
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,880
but they've now got their entire
ultimate series and I it's the

765
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,000
first time I got to see it first
hand and it's beautiful.

766
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
I mean, those fixtures are
beautiful.

767
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,600
The ACT booth, I would have to
say, was consistently the

768
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,000
busiest booth on the show floor.
Yeah.

769
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,080
From sprung as soon as it
opened.

770
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,840
Right way through the end.
Yeah, full right.

771
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,240
Really.
But I mean, they have MA, they

772
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,680
have air too.
They have.

773
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,320
They've got.
PK sound down.

774
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,560
They've got PK Sound, they've
got Robert Joliet, they've got.

775
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,880
Hippo smoke.
Factory, one of the big smoke

776
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,600
companies, I can't remember
which one, but yeah, I mean they

777
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,400
have killer product lines so,
you know, it's not that shocking

778
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,320
that they'd be that busy.
But still they were packed like

779
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,280
that booth was when I first
walked in.

780
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,400
I was like, it's full.
It's going to look really empty

781
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,040
after the first couple hours,
but it was packed all the time

782
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,440
full.
What else did I see that I

783
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480
liked?
I told you about the massive

784
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,920
fixture from.
GLAP the Ala dog.

785
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:45,720
So the the IT actually wasn't
AI, it was a remote control.

786
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,360
It was a remote control, isn't
it?

787
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Because I thought it was a fully
autonomous robot dog at first,

788
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,960
which would have been like
$100,000 dog standing there,

789
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480
right?
But it, it was still really

790
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,160
cool.
But it was remote control.

791
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,160
And so it was one of those like
little plasticky, not that

792
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,360
little, it was probably this
big, but it was a plasticky

793
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,040
looking dog and had little laser
light eyes or whatever.

794
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,520
And but it could jump, it could
sit, it could come up and beg,

795
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,720
it could bark, it could do all
kinds of things.

796
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,720
So funny story.
Did I show you the gumper?

797
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,000
Post just gonna say your friend
yeah with.

798
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,000
The real ghost, So Andrew Gumper
had his, his Frenchie bulldog, I

799
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:32,120
think there and he posted a
story on his Instagram, his dog

800
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,720
running into that dog in the
aisle and them fighting.

801
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,360
And so the guy controlling the
dog, he'd he'd have it go into

802
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,680
like attack mode and and all
this stuff and the Gumpers dog

803
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,520
was just losing his mind going
after this dog.

804
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,920
It was one of the funniest
videos I've seen in weeks.

805
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,680
It was absolutely hilarious.
The real dog scrapping it out

806
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,960
with the the fake robot dog,
which I guess we're going to see

807
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,240
a lot of that in the future.
That stuff's coming, you know,

808
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Like they've already got their
testing and stuff on on robot

809
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,480
guard dogs now, you know?
There's a gentleman we met, I

810
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,960
can't remember what his name is
now.

811
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,200
He had the amaze like the I'm
going to I'm going to mess this

812
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,200
bit up now.
And he was talking and he was

813
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,320
like, well, when there's a guard
dog, you know, I'm going to get

814
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,080
the guard, a robot guard dog for
sure.

815
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040
And then he can go do my quick
clean the offices as well at the

816
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,320
same time.
Well, I think he was just

817
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,120
talking about a robot.
I don't think he was talking.

818
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,280
About a dog, yeah.
Yeah, because it can.

819
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Well, and that's the thing.
Like these robots are basically

820
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,000
walking, talking, moving,
whatever computers and you can

821
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,200
program them to do housework,
you can program them to do yard

822
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,520
work, you can program them to do
warehouse work.

823
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,240
You can they.
Can do whatever you want with

824
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,000
this.
Right now I am I in favour,

825
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,280
should I say I, I don't think I
am.

826
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,080
I'm all for certain
technologies, AI coming into

827
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,080
play.
I am.

828
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,440
But when it when you are seeing
that you're losing, I mean, you

829
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,960
know, supermarkets, you have to
go check out yourself.

830
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,320
I hate it.
I refuse.

831
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,080
I go to the person.
Yeah, I don't like that either.

832
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Because, you know, you're
complaining that we haven't got

833
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,560
work and it was a.
Robot who was checking out for

834
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,200
you as opposed to doing it
yourself.

835
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,800
You don't like it because you
got to figure out how to scan

836
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
the thing and all that stuff.
But if you just put your stuff

837
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,160
on a belt just like you do now
and instead.

838
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,920
Of a human.
A robot was talking to you and

839
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,240
saying, hey, Sarah, how are you
today?

840
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,160
Would you like some news?
And it's.

841
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,360
Yeah, Sarah tells you the news
while it's scanning all your

842
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,800
groceries.
Yeah, but I do it because I

843
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,200
don't like to.
I like to see a human, not a

844
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:39,720
robot.
Well.

845
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,480
I'll get used to it because it's
coming the.

846
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,120
Most I know it's coming.
The least desirable.

847
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,280
We won't have, we won't have
jobs, so we can just do nothing.

848
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,000
Well, that's not true either,
because I'm not going to get a

849
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,920
robot host.
But you can.

850
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,960
I can.
I can easily.

851
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,560
I can easily replace you,
Marcel.

852
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,720
You know that I can.
I've got your voice.

853
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,680
Shut up.
No, I mean, I think that the

854
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,960
least desirable jobs will be the
first ones to be replaced.

855
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,480
Obviously cleaning toilets and
shoveling shit in the yards and

856
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,040
all this stuff like that stuff
is going to be replaced first.

857
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,600
But I mean, cooking, you know,
like if a robot can cook every

858
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,320
bit as good as you can and you
just input recipes into it and

859
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,760
boom, it cooks up a unbelievable
meal, oh, stop it.

860
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,680
I mean, it's different if you're
passionate about cooking.

861
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,320
I'm not would I have a robot
cook?

862
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Hell yes, I would, but but and
it wouldn't bother me a bit.

863
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,560
I wouldn't miss anything.
But I know a lot of people who

864
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,480
are passionate about cooking who
would be like, no, I don't want

865
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,760
that and great, then don't get
one, you know, so.

866
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,200
Well, I'm passionate about
cleaning, so I'm not going to

867
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,800
get one.
Well, just the fact I can avoid

868
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,800
it, I'll.
Give you a I'll give you a great

869
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,240
line here.
So at one point in time, people

870
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,720
fought using clocks to tell what
time it was because they were

871
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:04,240
using the sun.
And it took a big argument to

872
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,880
get them to stop using the sun
and to start using a clock

873
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,440
because they said why the sun is
very accurate and I'll always

874
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,640
know what time it is.
You know what?

875
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,720
Everybody wears a watch now and
a clock and whatever, right?

876
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:17,000
Like.
I know.

877
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,480
So it's just progress, and
sometimes progress looks fishy.

878
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,760
You know me.
I go by the sun, I go by the

879
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,400
moon.
As soon as it gets dark, I go to

880
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,560
sleep.
You're always late.

881
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,000
For everything you.
Don't wake up, but the.

882
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,920
Sun was only there.
I don't care.

883
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,240
It's 330.
You're supposed to be here, you

884
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,680
know?
Yeah.

885
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,360
No, I've only got messed up
being here in Vegas and I'm just

886
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,040
like, oh gosh, my because
normally with me and you, we

887
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,240
meet like my evening, you know,
5 anytime between 5:00 and 10:00

888
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,400
at night, right?
So then when you're messaging me

889
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,080
at 7:00 in the morning, are we
meeting?

890
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,120
No.
Yeah, well, it's funny when

891
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,840
you're on the when the shoes on
the other foot, huh?

892
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Yeah, it's.
Weird because.

893
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,960
I'm three hours ahead of you.
Now I'm ahead of you, really.

894
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,120
I can't wait to go back home.
And I like I get everything done

895
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,120
and you wake up and you're like
this done, Sarah, kiss myself.

896
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,800
Kiss myself here.
I'm like you're myself no more.

897
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,120
So it's only 7:00 in the morning
myself.

898
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:12,800
And.
See, you know what, I like it

899
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,400
the other way.
Like I like, I like my house in

900
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Canada is on mountain time and
all the sports start two hours

901
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,760
earlier.
Everything starts two hours.

902
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Formula One starts at like 7:00
in the morning.

903
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,960
It's great.
It's fantastic.

904
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,560
You know, whereas you know, when
you're in Europe or or even on

905
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,120
the East Coast, like I love UFC,
for example, well, UFC starts at

906
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,080
10:00 at night.
By the time the good fight is

907
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,120
on, like the final is 1:00 in
the morning.

908
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:47,960
I can't stay awake for that.
I wouldn't stay awake for that.

909
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120
I would, I have, but it's
really, really hard and it

910
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,520
screws up my next day, you know,
but it's a sport that I really

911
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,200
love.
And so sometimes there's fights

912
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,160
I want to see.
And so I like being in Canada

913
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,720
because that same thing starts
at 8:00 and it's over by like

914
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,880
one in the morning or sorry,
it's over by like 11 as opposed

915
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,120
to to 1:00 in the morning.
So yeah, I mean, it's, it's

916
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,080
whatever.
But even here we've you

917
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,600
struggled.
Being here, I've struggled.

918
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,560
Because I was getting up at 2:30
in the morning 3.

919
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,640
That's what I mean.
But before you arrived, I mean,

920
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,440
we literally couldn't keep our
eyes open.

921
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,360
Seven, 7:00 at night.
That was it done, Like really

922
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,240
done.
Then I was waking up at three,

923
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,240
3:00 in the morning, wide awake,
of course, because that's enough

924
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:32,000
sleep.
Yeah.

925
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,760
Really.
But finally, we're we're getting

926
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,040
into a good, good sleep pattern
just as I'm just as I'm leaving.

927
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,800
Yeah.
Yeah, and then you'll be screwed

928
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,680
up when you get back to Europe.
But the so The funny thing is

929
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,840
like it's not that long ago and
people listening will know this

930
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,480
and all my friends who I have at
LDI will know this.

931
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,040
I didn't go to bed till 3:00 or
4:00 in the morning.

932
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,080
You know, I was out partying
with everybody else at LDI.

933
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,720
But now, you know, I was.
I don't think I lasted till

934
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,720
10:00 one night that I was
there.

935
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:09,360
I think I was in bed by 9:30
every night and up at 2:30 or

936
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,800
three in the morning.
Craziness.

937
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,120
Crazy.
Yeah.

938
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Also at the show.
So you know, MA like MA 3

939
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,440
consoles, right, Grand MA 3
consoles.

940
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
You know, they're like 7580
grand, whatever they are.

941
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,760
Well, so there's a Chinese brand
called Fine or Fine Light, and

942
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,200
they're a notorious copier.
And one of the big things they

943
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,040
did was back in, you know, the
90s or whatever it was.

944
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,520
And actually it was the early
2000s, I think the Mac 2000 came

945
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,800
out from Martin and was wildly
popular.

946
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,000
And so they created the Fine
2000 or whatever and it was a

947
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,080
complete RIP off of the Mac
2000.

948
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,040
And you know, Martin fought them
like crazy and stuff.

949
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,960
And I don't know that they ever
won anything.

950
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:09,040
Maybe they did, but you know,
it's, it's a problem the the

951
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,040
sort of plagiarism or or
whatever you want to call it is

952
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,440
a problem in our industry.
But so anyways, never would you

953
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,960
see it on the control side
because it's very difficult.

954
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,120
It's easy to look at a light
fixture and to reverse engineer

955
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,880
it, make the same gobo wheels,
make the same motors, make the

956
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,880
same framing shutters.
It's pretty easy to copy a light

957
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,880
fixture, but copying a lighting
console or any type of control

958
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,520
protocol is very difficult.
Reverse engineering software is

959
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,440
much harder than hardware.
Right?

960
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,600
Well, they've basically copied
the MA console, and not only

961
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,800
that, they had one on display at
their booth at the show.

962
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,440
No, I.
Didn't see that.

963
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,760
Posted a picture on social media
of this console.

964
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,960
I saw it.
I saw it when I was there, but

965
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,960
somebody posted a picture and
there's all kinds of

966
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:05,360
conversation going on about it,
but I'm just blown away by how

967
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,280
ballsy they are to put that on
their booth.

968
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,680
I'm surprised that because I saw
it on the second day of the

969
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,880
show, I'm surprised it was still
there on the second day of the

970
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,280
show.
Like you would have thought that

971
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,040
that MA would have had a cease
and desist order in that console

972
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,880
and have blankets over it or
something, or would be taken

973
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,000
right off the show floor.
People have told me it's not

974
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,480
identical.
It's it looks identical, but

975
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,600
it's not.
There's some slight nuance

976
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,800
differences, a little tiny and
in the software, the software is

977
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,960
more like the MA 2 than the MA
3.

978
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,640
But I mean, the fact that you're
even comparing it tells me it's

979
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,200
too damn close and and probably
breaks all kinds of laws.

980
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,120
But yeah, they sell for like, I
don't know how much that exact

981
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,640
one sells for, but I know that
I've seen them for five or

982
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,880
$6000.
No.

983
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Yeah, yeah, this is how big the
problem is.

984
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,560
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's and so
I've had people trying to sell

985
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,880
these and calling them MA 3
consoles on on gear source and

986
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,120
we've had to shut them down.
We've had to remove those

987
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,960
consoles from the from the
website.

988
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Crazy, right?
Yeah, it's.

989
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,840
Muddy.
Yeah, so, so yeah, Ballsy move

990
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,000
by them.
What else?

991
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,960
Another funny story.
So when I flew back here to

992
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,160
South Florida, the there were a
couple of Chauvet people near me

993
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,640
and one of them was Dina, who's
the sales manager, I don't know,

994
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,880
sales Vice President of sales,
I'm not sure what her title is

995
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,480
from Chauvet.
And so we were talking as we

996
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,240
were waiting to get off the
plane and I said, how was the

997
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,240
show?
She told me we had a little back

998
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,280
and forth on that.
And I said, hey, do you know who

999
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,280
those guys from Volux are?
Volux, I don't know if you

1000
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,480
remember seeing their booth, but
it was a booth, a lighting booth

1001
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,240
there that I had just never
heard of the brand before.

1002
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,200
And they actually had a really
nice booth and a really nice

1003
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,200
show.
Don't know anything, if the

1004
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,480
products are any good or
anything.

1005
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,840
There's another Chinese import
that, you know, looked OK, but I

1006
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,120
don't know.
But anyways, the guy across the

1007
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,240
aisle from me stands up and he
goes, Yep, that's me.

1008
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,240
I'm like, oh, hey, you're the
Vollex guy.

1009
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:22,800
And he goes, yeah, yeah, that's
my company.

1010
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,920
And so I started talking to him.
I talked to him all the way

1011
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,720
through the airport.
And so early on at Martin, I

1012
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,720
hired a guy named Nick Freed,
who went on to become very

1013
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,320
successful in the industry.
He with a couple of other guys

1014
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,120
started Inner Circle
Distribution.

1015
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,000
And so this guy told me he he
worked in inner circle for a

1016
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,240
long time.
And I said, Oh, that's

1017
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,880
interesting.
You know, I've worked with those

1018
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,520
guys for years and, and really
helped one of them get his

1019
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,520
start.
And he said, who?

1020
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,200
And I said, Nick Freed and he
goes, Oh man, well, you must

1021
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,240
know my dad then too, if you're
friends with Nick.

1022
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,040
And I said, who's your dad?
And he says, Dan Fallon.

1023
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,680
And I said, oh, my God, like, I
tailgated with Dan at the

1024
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480
football games here for, I don't
know, 10-12 years or something.

1025
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,960
I've known him first.
I've known him longer than

1026
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,880
you've been alive to this guy,
right?

1027
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,040
And so it's just really weird.
It's a small world.

1028
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,240
And then I found out that a
former guest of Geezers of Gear,

1029
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Michael Meacham, designed and
programmed the booth.

1030
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,440
Yeah.
So not an endorsement for their

1031
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,200
product.
I don't know anything about it.

1032
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,240
So I'm not telling you it's
great.

1033
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,840
And I'm also not telling you
it's bad.

1034
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,960
The people are nice.
I will tell you that.

1035
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,000
And I wish them well.
You know, they're a relatively

1036
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,760
young company.
They've done a really nice

1037
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,040
booth.
Hopefully that turns into some

1038
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,160
business for them.
You know, the other thing that I

1039
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,040
thought was cool was the.
And you'll remember it, even

1040
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,360
though you might not know the
name, but the Blizzard booth was

1041
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,040
the one with the Ferris wheel
and the festival, the fair.

1042
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,440
That was carnival fair.
That was totally gone out.

1043
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,400
I was like, yeah, what's going
on here?

1044
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,080
I don't know if you saw but it
won the best booth design.

1045
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,160
I It won an.
Award for that yeah, no kidding.

1046
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,880
I mean, that was so friggin
creative how they did that.

1047
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,240
Yeah.
Like the, the brochure was like

1048
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,680
a, a menu from the cotton candy
stand kind of thing, you know?

1049
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,640
And they had all the little
exhibits set up.

1050
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Really interactive, you know.
It really was what a what a cool

1051
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,440
design.
Again, I don't know if the

1052
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,800
products are any good.
I've never really been a big

1053
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Blizzard guy but do.
You think that would?

1054
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,760
Be very.
Creative, A sort of a market

1055
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,760
point of how people, different
brands will change their stand,

1056
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,240
how it would look to make it
more interesting.

1057
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:50,000
I interactive, yes, perhaps, but
we've gone that direction like

1058
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,240
when everybody went away from
light shows, everyone went to

1059
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,680
these more interactive booths
where you could walk up and hit

1060
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,760
a touch panel thing and the
light would come on and you

1061
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,720
could change patterns and you
could do all these things and

1062
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,040
then everybody wanted light
shows back again.

1063
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,080
So all the big companies,
Chauvet and Martin High End and

1064
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,240
all these companies started
switching and doing light shows

1065
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:13,840
again.
And so, yeah, you know, I I

1066
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,920
think I think it was cool.
Was it the best way to show

1067
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,440
their lighting?
Probably not.

1068
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,880
Like I don't know anything.
Volux.

1069
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,320
I feel like I know everything
about all their products.

1070
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,440
Blizzard, I don't know anything
about any of their products.

1071
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,640
So there's your answer.
You know, like, I think an

1072
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,400
innovative, smartly designed,
well programmed show can be much

1073
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,560
more beneficial than than, you
know, a funky looking, you know,

1074
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,160
State Fair kind of booth.
Yeah.

1075
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,520
But I'm not knocking them
because I think it was extremely

1076
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,080
creative and it got a lot of
attention.

1077
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,160
And we're talking about Blizzard
lighting right now.

1078
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,960
So, you know, that to me is
worth it.

1079
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,960
You know, the fact that you you
grabbed some attention and it

1080
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,640
was cool.
And I think they deserved that

1081
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,400
Best Booth award.
Yeah, 5100%.

1082
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,560
Yeah, I didn't see the drone
show because we ended up going

1083
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,960
out to dinner on.
Time you forgot to told me about

1084
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,160
it.
When was it?

1085
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,760
Was it Sunday or Monday?
I can't remember.

1086
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:16,600
It was Monday.
Monday.

1087
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,680
Yeah, I think I told you about
it.

1088
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,000
No, you told me after, he said.
I'm sorry Sarah, I think I

1089
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,240
forgot to.
Well I did, I completely forgot,

1090
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,680
but it would have messed with
our dinner plans and stuff

1091
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,360
anyways because it was at like
6:30 or something on Monday.

1092
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,480
So I didn't see it and you had
to get in the shower, make

1093
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,480
yourself look beautiful.
Yeah, and I mean, honestly, at

1094
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,720
the end of the day, if you've
seen like in drone shows, you've

1095
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,200
probably seen 1000.
You know, they're all kind of

1096
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,440
the same at some point.
But I still would have liked to

1097
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,520
see it.
It would have been fun.

1098
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,920
I don't know.
I can't think of much else.

1099
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,440
I mean, there were such great
booths there.

1100
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,080
People are obviously spending
money.

1101
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,560
Companies are spending money
because those booths, like some

1102
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,120
of those big booths were
$1,000,000.

1103
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,640
Yeah, $1,000,000 here,
$1,000,000 here, $1,000,000

1104
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,240
here, $1,000,000 here.
Well, I just want to say how I

1105
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,520
was very honoured to be invited
with you to the upstaging event

1106
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,280
that that was, that was for me,
that was you can't.

1107
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,040
Forget about that.
Yeah, no, it was so lovely.

1108
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:19,280
And like the the whole event was
just to be yeah, to to to be

1109
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,640
invited to that was was was
great.

1110
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,160
So thank you very much.
Yeah, it's.

1111
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,320
And you've been going since the
day one, haven't you?

1112
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,920
Well, that's what I was just
going to say.

1113
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,320
And Patrick Dearson and I were
talking about this because the

1114
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,240
very first one was probably, I
don't know, 20 years ago, ish.

1115
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:42,280
And Patrick Dearson and I were
both at that one, and it was one

1116
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,560
table at the win with probably
12 or 15 people at the table.

1117
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,400
And that's it.
It was just a dinner and it was,

1118
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,560
you know, somehow I got invited
and somehow Patrick Dearson got

1119
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,960
invited.
And we're both extremely proud

1120
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,400
to have been invited.
But here, here I am 20 years

1121
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,240
later and every year I get the
e-mail with the invitation

1122
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,080
saying we'd love for you to come
to our our wine tasting party or

1123
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,720
whatever they call it.
And it's just so cool to go to

1124
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,560
because it's literally a who's
who of the touring business.

1125
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,280
You know, lately it's grown to
include a lot of suppliers.

1126
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,200
There's a lot of manufacturer
reps and stuff like that that

1127
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,440
go.
And that's not a bad thing.

1128
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,520
But there's still just.
It's a great group of lighting

1129
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,320
designers and production
managers and managers.

1130
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,880
And last year or the year
before, I was hanging out with

1131
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,040
Sebastian Bach from Skid Row.
The singer from Skid Row.

1132
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,400
Yeah.
So, you know, it's, yeah,

1133
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,840
honestly, like when HUD was at
our John Huddleston was at our,

1134
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,840
at our thing at Dining with
Dinosaurs.

1135
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,280
He, I was talking to him and he
said, hey, were you at the

1136
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,520
party?
I didn't even see you.

1137
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,120
I was, you know, busy.
And I said, yeah, I, I was

1138
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,520
there.
I didn't actually get over to

1139
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,120
say hi to him because he always
had a stack of people in front

1140
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,160
of him.
I said I was there and, and you

1141
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,360
know, he said, did you have fun?
And I said, John, honestly, I'm

1142
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,200
just honored to be invited every
year because.

1143
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,680
You know, yes, Gear Source works
with upstaging a little bit, but

1144
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,040
it's not like I'm an important
supplier to them like I was in

1145
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,400
my past life.
You know, these days it's more

1146
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,080
just a friendship than anything
so.

1147
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:33,800
And yeah, wonderful friendship.
Yeah, well, and it is like you

1148
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,200
said it, it's a cool.
Party it's just cool to be when

1149
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,600
she came up as well to the.
Yeah.

1150
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,440
Robin Shaw.
Yeah, Yeah.

1151
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:45,440
Really just a really, really
cool down to earth.

1152
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,200
She's a funny stories again
being told.

1153
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,760
Like you know that for me again,
that was one of my highlights,

1154
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,040
meeting Robin at the at the
Dining of Dinosaurs towards the

1155
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,000
end.
Yeah.

1156
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,560
Yeah, and again, it was so busy
at the upstage, we didn't even

1157
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,800
get to say hello to her.
You know that's true.

1158
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,520
You know it's true.
We we, because I'm going to

1159
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,640
blame it on the jet lag.
We did.

1160
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,480
We left, I think, about
Elevenish, I think.

1161
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,480
No, we left earlier than that.
We left at like probably 10-15.

1162
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,960
We followed.
We followed that young Seth

1163
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:16,640
Jackson.
Don't.

1164
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,640
Don't say his name.
Don't say his name.

1165
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,840
Who?
Seth Seth left earlier than us

1166
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,160
and, and I remember just going,
oh, hey, Seth.

1167
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,000
And then ran out the door like I
was chasing after him or

1168
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000
something.
And then, of course, as we're

1169
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,200
trying to sneak out, we run into
Robert Carone, you know, founder

1170
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,680
of, of Upstaging and.
He's like, that was so.

1171
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,480
Hey, Marcel, are you leaving?
And I'm like, I was kind of

1172
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,360
thinking about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1173
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,240
Well, and then have a nice long
talk with him about life.

1174
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Yeah, so that's probably why I
thought it was 11 because I

1175
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,440
think we literally was, we was
with him for like 45 minutes

1176
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,600
chatting at the end.
Yeah, probably.

1177
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,760
Yeah.
We had a long talk.

1178
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,320
It was nice.
No, I love that event.

1179
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,920
Every time I go to it, it's one.
Actually, the last one that I

1180
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,200
went to wasn't last year because
I didn't go to LDI last year,

1181
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,040
but the year before Claudette
was with me.

1182
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,040
Oh, you said that she was at the
table drinking wine.

1183
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,800
Yeah.
Yeah, so Claudette is is my

1184
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:19,440
sister Slash CFO at Gearsource.
And she had never been to

1185
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,960
something like that.
And she's a big wine drinker.

1186
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,600
She loves wine.
And you know, part of the the

1187
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,600
fun of this event is that Robert
Carone is a big wine guy and the

1188
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,480
wine is always tremendously
good.

1189
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,280
It's just excellent wine.
Excellent, excellent wine.

1190
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,760
So.
It was just flowing, you know,

1191
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:37,880
whenever it was.
Good.

1192
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,320
Oh yeah.
Because we didn't have time to

1193
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,200
have dinner before and I'm glad
we didn't.

1194
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,760
Like they had just killer food.
Everything.

1195
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,680
And at one point they were just
like leaving it all on our

1196
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,240
table.
And I was like, no guys.

1197
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,040
Like I partook no more.
Yeah, I definitely partook.

1198
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,760
I remember when that drunk guy
started berating me.

1199
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,320
I won't say who he was or what
company he was from, but.

1200
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,800
Yeah, that was that was weird.
Yeah, I mean, that was, that was

1201
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,560
bizarre.
I mean, at first he was, he was

1202
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,160
friendly with me.
And of course, you know, I don't

1203
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,520
know many people there.
Yeah.

1204
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,240
Yeah.
And so I was like, OK, someone's

1205
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,120
talking to me.
Amazing.

1206
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,080
Then I was like, Oh no, you're
only talking to me because

1207
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,320
you're drunk.
Yeah, that's true.

1208
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,320
And then he was like, then he
just like attacked you.

1209
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,920
And I was standing there and I
was like, wrong place, dude,

1210
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,880
wrong place.
Like when you were probably.

1211
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Also thinking how long is Marcel
going to take this before he

1212
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,080
shuts the.
Gun down.

1213
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,480
Well, I did.
He was very polite for yeah.

1214
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,520
Until.
I told him.

1215
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,560
To go fuck himself basically,
which did happen because I had

1216
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,280
had enough at one point.
It was just.

1217
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,360
Like you need to.
Shut up, you're drunk.

1218
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:42,680
Please.
Just.

1219
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,640
But then he was still standing
next to me and was like, what

1220
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,720
have I done?
I was like, don't talk to me.

1221
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,520
I'm staying out of this I think.
Yeah, yeah.

1222
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,960
So then I went to his boss and
said you need to get him out of

1223
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,400
here.
He's drunk, you know he's not.

1224
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,760
He's not making you look good
right now.

1225
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,520
Trust me.
But then I said he didn't know.

1226
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,000
I said, Can you imagine it?
I mean, I, I would like to say I

1227
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,040
was very good because I was
drinking white wine.

1228
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
So the white wine wasn't as free
flowing as the red.

1229
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,960
So not that I was complaining.
I was happy with my, the what,

1230
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,080
what I had.
And I was like, Can you imagine?

1231
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,720
I said, if I, if I'd done that,
if I'd just been necking back,

1232
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,480
the white wine got totally
hammered and then someone come

1233
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,240
up to you and goes, I think you
should remove your employee.

1234
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,560
I think I'd be mortified.
Next day I'd be like.

1235
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,000
Yeah, yeah, That would have been
bad.

1236
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,840
It wouldn't be the first time
though, bizarrely so in another

1237
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,640
company I used to own, and I
won't say who the employee was

1238
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,240
because he's actually since
passed away, sadly.

1239
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:45,880
But I had an employee and we had
a major national account who was

1240
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,120
worth millions of dollars in
business for us.

1241
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:56,080
And he was invited to go to
their National Convention, their

1242
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,760
national conference with all of
their their franchise owners in

1243
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,320
Orlando.
Big event.

1244
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:07,480
And so he proceeds to get drunk
off his ass.

1245
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,800
And then the owner of the entire
company, the entire franchise

1246
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:19,040
company's daughter, he starts
coming on to her like in just

1247
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,400
the most disgusting ways, like
nice tits lady and all this

1248
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,360
stuff, right?
Like.

1249
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,400
Just disgusting.
And so finally the CEO of the

1250
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:33,040
company, the owner of the
company goes to our head of, of

1251
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,440
franchising and he he says, hey,
look, your employee has gone

1252
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,440
beyond offensive at this point.
I'm going to give him a little

1253
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,600
bit of, you know, leeway in that
I know that he's drunk and we've

1254
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,120
been serving him alcohol, but
you need to get him out of here

1255
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:50,440
right now.
Yeah.

1256
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,400
Because if I have to take him
out, it's not going to be

1257
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,480
pleasant.
And he told him what he said to

1258
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,200
his daughter multiple times and
all of this stuff.

1259
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,840
And my guy was so embarrassed.
And he, he took him back to the

1260
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,600
hotel like under, you know,
total, like, argument.

1261
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,720
Like he was just like, oh, I
don't need to leave.

1262
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,280
I'm fine.
I'm fine, you know, and, and

1263
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,880
then calls me and says, hey, do
you mind if I fire him in the

1264
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,200
morning?
And I said no, not at all.

1265
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,440
That's what he deserves.
And.

1266
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,000
I wonder how many people got
fired during this LDI because

1267
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:31,080
they, even when I my very first
One Plaza, there was an incident

1268
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,920
very similar to that one
gentleman.

1269
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,520
I remember that.
That's really young.

1270
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,440
And the next day the lady put in
a complaint.

1271
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,400
Then somebody else had put in a
complaint and then before long,

1272
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,200
but because now it's not as
simple as can I just fire him?

1273
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,720
They had to go through HR, they
had to go through meetings.

1274
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,560
They had to go through this.
But I knew this person and I

1275
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,560
knew he was extremely drunk.
And I said, I've got to leave,

1276
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,520
You know, I told his boss I'm
leaving.

1277
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:57,640
I'm not putting up with this
anymore.

1278
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,640
But I knew he was drunk.
So I just like, you know.

1279
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,800
Yeah, I don't remember that
situation.

1280
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,800
But really, then the poor boy,
the next day, he was like,

1281
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,280
Sarah, I think I'm really like,
basically, I've effed up.

1282
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,240
I said, you have.
I said yeah.

1283
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:14,400
I said so.
Like, I must admit, I've been

1284
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,640
drunk at LDI, you know, more
than once.

1285
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:24,000
And but you have to have control
over yourself when it comes to

1286
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,480
being completely disrespectful,
especially to women, you know,

1287
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,440
And that's where like most men
can take most things that you

1288
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,040
say to them.
I I think, and I'm not being

1289
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,920
sexist, but it's.
Just no, no, no, I understand

1290
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,520
that.
But I just think it's time now.

1291
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,800
It it's where we are now, yeah.
You know it.

1292
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,320
Is the time 20 years ago you
could have got away with it, not

1293
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:44,600
go.
It's not even getting away with

1294
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,000
it.
It just wasn't the thing that

1295
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,320
you then got fired for.
Yeah, you know.

1296
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,800
No, it was it was practically
acceptable back then to say,

1297
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,280
hey, toots, you know, nice,
whatever, and or you know, for

1298
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,000
like the the guy who owns the
company to smack the secretary

1299
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,280
in the ass as she's walking by
or something like that stuff

1300
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,480
happened, you know, when I was
way younger in my life.

1301
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,720
It doesn't anymore like that.
It's a different world now.

1302
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,360
Yeah, and I mean not just to
not.

1303
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,360
Recognize that is just, you
know, ignorant.

1304
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,120
It's stupidity really in a
sense, right?

1305
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,080
So, you know, even me
knucklehead, me, I, I recognize

1306
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,000
that we're in a different world
today and would never say those

1307
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,800
things or, or do those things.
No, but it's not even about

1308
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,600
being, you know, that those kind
of things, you know, the

1309
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,800
incident with you, you know, 20
years ago, you know, maybe it

1310
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,479
happened, but you'd walk away or
whatever.

1311
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,720
But yeah, if you wanted to, you
could put a complaint in against

1312
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,279
that.
You know, like, you know, we're

1313
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,040
at a nice party.
You know, the behavior of this

1314
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,399
gentleman was was unacceptable.
Yeah.

1315
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,279
You know, I mean so many things.
I never would, but you know, I

1316
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:54,040
understand what you're saying.
Yeah, I would just, you know, it

1317
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,479
just so happens that all of his
bosses are good friends of mine

1318
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,200
for.
Yeah. 30 plus years, you know,

1319
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,279
so I'm.
The wrong.

1320
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,439
Person for him to do that too.
Put it that way, you know.

1321
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,120
People make mistakes.
Yeah, you know, Shouldn't.

1322
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:08,680
No, I know.
But.

1323
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,479
That's why.
That's why I'm not just saying

1324
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,000
fire that guy right now.
No, no, no, I'm not saying that

1325
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,399
you want to fire you.
Do need to say something because

1326
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:19,680
he needs to learn that you can't
get blitzed at a party that you

1327
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,720
don't even belong at by the way,
because he's not even from this

1328
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,760
part of the industry.
Like, he shouldn't have even

1329
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,520
been there, to be perfectly
honest.

1330
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,240
So.
So yeah.

1331
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:30,920
Anyways, whatever.
I'm not complaining.

1332
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,439
It happens.
And.

1333
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:38,000
But yes, when it comes to, you
know, going after the boss's

1334
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,640
daughter in a very rude and
disgusting way and even doing it

1335
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,520
within earshot of the boss.
Yeah.

1336
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,279
And they're our customer.
We're there as a supplier by

1337
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:51,000
invite for free, you know, all
that kind of stuff.

1338
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,279
It was just disgusting.
So yes, he got fired in this

1339
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,040
situation.
And by the way, it wasn't like

1340
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,040
he he had he had some problems
with with alcohol and drugs.

1341
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,880
And so it wasn't the first time
that we had sort of a run in

1342
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,960
like this.
It was the first one this bad.

1343
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,440
And it was the first one in
front of a customer too.

1344
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,760
So, yeah, you just have to be
smarter than that.

1345
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,520
That's all there is to it.
Our industry, you know, has been

1346
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,280
tolerant of it for so long but
isn't anymore.

1347
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,200
And I want to say as well how
very touched I was for the Craig

1348
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,800
Burrows for the toast.
Yeah, yeah.

1349
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,000
I didn't know him.
I didn't like to be to go there

1350
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,640
for, for for everybody that came
together.

1351
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,920
I mean the the the lovely the
photo display at the at the back

1352
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,240
like.
Yeah, it was nice that they did

1353
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,680
that, to be perfectly honest,
you know, hell yeah to, to Roby.

1354
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,320
Like, they have not only been
incredibly sensitive and

1355
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,880
incredibly respectful, but
they've just been outpouring

1356
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,160
with with love and and gratitude
for Craig, for his life.

1357
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,960
They've taken very good care of
his his widow.

1358
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,520
You know, they've really been
huge in all of this.

1359
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,160
And, you know, he was a big part
of the company, so good on them

1360
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,280
for doing it.
But yeah, that was that was a

1361
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,320
nice event.
It was nice.

1362
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,440
Robert Mockery doing his, yeah,
his little, you know, memorial

1363
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:21,400
speech or whatever you call it.
But no, it was nice.

1364
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:22,720
I'm I'm glad you remembered
that.

1365
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,080
I forgot about that one.
But yeah.

1366
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,560
And, you know, they also had a A
Craig Burroughs Memorial Golf

1367
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,880
Tournament as well.
Yes, they did, yeah.

1368
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,080
So yeah, Craig was one of my
boys.

1369
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,200
I mean he he and I were friends
for.

1370
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,880
I don't know, 30 or something a
couple of weeks and months

1371
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,160
before, didn't you at the
Formula One?

1372
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,120
So.
Yeah, I did.

1373
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,160
Yeah.
Well, Sarah, it's been nice

1374
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,120
catching up with you.
I I kind of miss you already,

1375
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,680
even though it's only been a
couple days.

1376
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:57,280
I do and I don't.
I do and I don't, you know,

1377
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,640
there's some things I miss.
There's some things I definitely

1378
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,120
could do without.
You're lying.

1379
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,160
You miss all of me.
I love me.

1380
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:07,840
And she was like, Sarah, do you
want to jump?

1381
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,800
Like this was 7:00 this morning.
I was like Sarah.

1382
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,040
I've got an idea, you know,
let's do the, the LDI debrief

1383
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,680
today and let's risk record it
and let's, you know, it'll be 30

1384
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,040
minutes.
Well, we're already 45.

1385
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,640
We just know to talk too long.
We're more than 45.

1386
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,600
We're an hour and 8.
Isn't that?

1387
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,280
8:00 it's an hour and 8 minutes.
Yeah.

1388
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,320
So, well, that's just because I
let you talk so much, you know?

1389
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,640
I.
Tried to stop you and you just

1390
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,800
don't stop.
I know I love talking just as

1391
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,040
much as you do.
Yeah.

1392
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:41,200
So yeah, it's been fun and it
was a great show and, and thanks

1393
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,520
everybody for listening and.
And I'm going to say one more

1394
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,000
thing, going to say one more
thing.

1395
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,640
Next week we're recording the
Geez of Gear Get Free and

1396
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,000
festive podcast.
If you haven't heard from me,

1397
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,560
reach out to me producer at
geezersofgear.com and I'll send

1398
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,320
you the link.
And it's going to be a group

1399
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,440
podcast.
Bring a drink.

1400
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,080
And we're just going to wish
everyone a happy Christmas,

1401
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:09,440
happy festive time and like,
like you used to do an old

1402
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,320
school group.
Like the weekly zoom calls but

1403
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,600
not on zooms and and it's called
get freaking festive.

1404
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,760
Exactly.
Yeah, it should be fun.

1405
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,680
I look forward to doing that.
All right, Sarah, you have fun

1406
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,960
in Las Vegas and no gambling
and, you know, no this and no

1407
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,560
that, no whatever.
And say hello to the wonderful

1408
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,440
Manoli.
Hi, Birthday.

1409
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:32,920
My favorite Greek.
Yeah.

1410
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:34,520
All right, see you.
Later.

1411
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,840
OK, take care myself.
Bye.

1412
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,640
Bye.
Yep.