#280 - Melody Tseng - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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That was brilliant.
I have just finished recording

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episode #280 with Melody Singh,
an incredible woman, incredible

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human.
Her story really from being a

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child all the way through in the
industry, what she's achieved

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really an interesting, fun
podcast.

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So I hope you enjoy it just as
much as I have.

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So what has been happening in

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the last?
Well, it's actually been six

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weeks since I've recorded a
podcast because the last podcast

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came out at the very first first
week in October, and this now is

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coming out on the end of
November.

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I've still been very busy.
Busy with Geezers of Gear, of

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course, myself seems to be fully
booked every single week, which

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is fantastic.
We are organizing the LDI Dining

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with Dinosaurs event, which is
going to be really, Yeah, it's

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going to be something special.
The the Dinos that we have on

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the guest list, they're
incredible.

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And the whole event from start
to finish has been a pleasure to

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organize.
And I'm extremely lucky and I

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will be attending LDI this year.
It is, in fact, my very first

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LDI.
And so yeah, I'm very much

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looking forward to that.
So my very good friend Tanya

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Collier, she was going to come
on the podcast, but I had a very

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short window to catch her.
Sadly we only managed to catch

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up for a quick WhatsApp call.
She just finished working on

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Coldplay and she was heading
straight out to China to be a

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band chef.
I really want to hear a story so

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hopefully she will be coming
back on as soon as things calm

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down in her world.
She's been a band chef for years

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now.
I can't record just off the top

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of my head how long?
But she's been a band chef for

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ages.
The training, everything about

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her makes her a very special and
unique human being.

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She just finished the Red Hot
Chili Peppers tour as their band

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private band chef.
Of course, that would be working

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with Faye.
She said everything was just

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amazing working with the band,
the crew.

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She's also been the band's chef
for quite some time now.

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And in the midst of doing all of
that, so a hectic tour, she

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started her own catering
company, The Rolling Stoves

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Catering.
I couldn't be more proud of her.

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It's an absolutely unbelievable
achievement to basically have

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the balls to do it.
So I really can't wait to have

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her on the podcast chat about
how she put into the industry

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the legends that she's cooked
for.

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Maybe the dramas, maybe they're
not the dramas, I don't know,

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But she really is going to be
amazing.

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I do have a long list of lovely
ladies that would like to come

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on the podcast as well.
Whether it be before the end of

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the year, I'm not too sure.
But for sure, obviously it'll be

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next year.
Everyone's been very busy and

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now obviously winding down.
We've got Thanksgiving this

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week, we also have Christmas
coming up.

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Then it's new year, we've got
LDI.

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So there's lots of things to try
and connect all us ladies

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together to do it.
But for sure, we will do now.

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I approached this next guest.
It was probably about four

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months ago and it was actually
to get her to come onto Gears of

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gear.
And no sooner had she shown a

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little bit of interest in that,
I had come up with this idea

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with myself for leading ladies.
So I approached Melody again and

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I said, look, would you like to
come on this new podcast with me

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leading ladies?
Well, she was thrilled.

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She was like, I would love to.
We've been chatting backwards

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and forth.
I've been finding out about

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basically her, her history, her
experience, her everything

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within our industry.
And really, she is an

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incredible, incredible woman.
I've had so much fun just now.

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We both were nervous.
I know it's silly, but we both

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were nervous.
But as soon as we started, we

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just started chatting and it
really was like, I've known her

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for ages.
I really hope you enjoy, you

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know this this next next episode
of Leading Ladies.

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Basically, Melody is a creative
producer at Live Redesigned.

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Melody graduated from school
with a background in art and

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fashion.
Melody started out working as a

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production translator, which by
the way, is just like so cool.

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And she was there for four years
in Taiwan before going basically

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on tour for over 10 years as
production coordinator and VIP

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sponsor with Live Nations.
She's been on tour for artists

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like Justin Timberlake, Maroon
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and Billie Eilish.
So the list really is awesome.

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But then during the pandemic,
Melody was basically, you know,

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at a loose end, as we all were.
And then she saw an advert in

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LinkedIn or on LinkedIn, should
I say.

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And it was by Nick Whitehouse
from Fire Play.

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And the ad just said, this is
me, this is me.

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And basically she applied for
the position.

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Nick was like, yes, 100% it's
you.

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So basically, she has learned so
much.

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She's moved up really quickly.
She's put all her effort into

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everything.
She's put her love, her passion

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and basically now she's the
creative producer, Creative

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director.
She's created for Demi Lovato in

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2022, Romeo Santos in 2023, and
most recently as the art

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director, set designer for
Alanis Morissette, which is this

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past summer really.
Absolutely incredible

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achievement, fantastic lady.
So please welcome Melody to the

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Leading Ladies podcast.
So Melody and welcome to Leading

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Ladies Podcast.
Hi, Sarah.

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How like we've had, It's always
strange because we've just had a

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conversation about doing the
podcast and we're both actually

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nervous, like for some reason,
but we haven't also met each

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other.
We had a brief chat yesterday,

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but we've never met each other.
And when Melody said yes to

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coming on the podcast, I was
thrilled because you really have

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got an amazing story.
So.

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I'm.
Kidding.

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But I'm nervous about everything
all the time, so this is for me.

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I, I think it's my, my boss
myself.

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He's like, just don't be
nervous.

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Just relax, you know, be
yourself.

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But I always find that if it's a
healthy nervous, like if I like

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if whenever I do something new,
you know, I'm always a little

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bit apprehensive, a little bit
nervous.

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And then it's, you know, it's,
it's, it's, it's all OK.

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Or like most of the time.
So where are you now?

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Let's start with that.
Where are you now?

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I am in New York City right now,
so it's early in the morning.

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It's nice and cold outside.
It's Saturday and it's a It's a

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lovely day to do a.
Podcast.

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Exactly.
Well, I'm in Crete and the sun,

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the sun is shining, but it's
it's a little bit cloudy today.

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Winter's finally here.
I haven't been to New York for

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years, but I do love it.
I do love New York.

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It'll get cold where you are.
You never do, right?

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Yeah, on this island we get, we
do get snow.

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So we do get snow on the top,
which is fantastic.

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Couple of years ago I actually
went skiing.

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People are like you went skiing
in Crete, but when have you ever

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skied before?
I have, yeah, I'm, I'm horrible,

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but yes, I have skied.
So I said to my my husband, I

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said like, let's go skiing
because I've just something on

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like a tick list.
I wanted to ski on like the

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highest mountain here.
So when we when we actually got

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there, I knew there wasn't any
ski lifts.

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Like I knew there wasn't, but I
still kind of had Yeah.

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Well, the thing you have to walk
so even.

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Down and then every time you
want to go back up for another

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round, you have to hike back up
with your skis.

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So it's not the most
pleasurable.

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We also didn't go very far.
I, I had a feat I had, I thought

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that would be like scooters,
which they were, but they're all

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privately owned.
So you really like, I mean,

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bless my husband, he'd never
skied before and obviously we

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weren't going to the top, but
just the lessons he had.

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He's like, this is hard work.
Like so he's trying to carry,

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you know how when you first like
learn like you don't know how to

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hold them anyway.
And they walk up the mountain,

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the nursery slope and he's like,
this is really hard.

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I was like, my love it.
It's not normally this hard, but

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well.
Done for trying.

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Funny enough, we've never been
sport.

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That's nice.
Yeah, exactly.

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So what I wanted to, let's start
at the beginning now you really

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have.
You were born into this industry

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literally.
So please, like, yeah,

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literally.
So please, please tell me all

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about that.
Like, you know your mom like.

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SO was born in the US and my mom
is, is a singer, but in most of

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the Chinese speaking countries,
she's pretty well known.

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And yeah, I guess it was just
being born in the industry was a

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very interesting upbringing.
I remember a lot of empty arenas

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as a kid and and recording
studios.

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There's a lot of photos of me in
my, I guess the baby carrier on

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top of, on top of the speakers
or like, you know, with my mom

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on the other side of the glass
in the recording studio.

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And yeah, it was just, I kind of
grew up with that like as a

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background.
And just, I mean, the

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interesting thing was so growing
up a lot between the US and Asia

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and spending a lot of time when
I was much younger, like 3 or

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4567 years old, like much
younger being in Hong Kong, like

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you, you're kind of in this,
this bubble of like there was a

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lot of what we call second
generation.

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So a lot of celebrities, you
know, and singers who had kids

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and we all kind of grew up in in
that circle, I guess.

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And it there was a lot of eyes
watching of like, well, what is

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this person going to amount to?
You know, are they going to are

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they going to become actors like
their parents?

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Are they going to singers?
Are they going to follow in

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their footsteps?
And there was just a lot of

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pressure watching us kids grow
up.

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And I was lucky that I was born
in the US and I spent time in

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Asia mostly, you know, around
holidays and vacation times when

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my mom would bring me back.
But I grew up in the United

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States and I think it gave me a
much more grounded and more, I

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don't want to say normal because
it wasn't completely normal, but

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but it was I, I think I was a
bit more removed from that in

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the United States more than if I
had stayed in Asia and been like

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immersed in that lifestyle the
whole time.

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And so my mom was constantly
touring and I was home alone a

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lot.
And so as a kid, I was very much

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into art drawing, quite
reclusive actually, and just

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really kept to myself.
And, you know, my mom had quite

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a tough time of it.
She's a tough cookie.

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Like she really, they grew up
poor, poor family.

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And she was able to make a
really successful career out of

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singing and, and doing doing
that.

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And so she really didn't want me
to have too much of an interest

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in in the limelight or, you
know, she hoped that I wouldn't

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want to become a singer or, you
know, so.

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That kind of amazing in a way
that she didn't want you to yet

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to follow her in that footsteps.
So you didn't have any pressure

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like whether you was going to be
a singer.

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I mean, did she put you through
like singing classes and acting

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classes?
Did you go through that route as

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well or?
No, I actually never had any

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singing classes.
I never had any, never had any

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acting classes or anything like
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Actually, there was a lot of art
class, which is which is great.

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And I think, you know, honestly,
as as a kid, it was a little bit

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chaotic, like being constantly
traveling, being between

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nannies, family and being with
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And then, you know, there was
never really like a normal

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schedule of life.
It was just kind of like, you

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know, hey, we're picking up and
we're going, or we're doing this

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or, oh, you're staying with this
person or you're going to go and

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do that or, you know, hey, I
want you to to perform this song

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with me.
So learn it and let's just go

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ahead and do it.
You know, it was, it was very

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much like I think.
You know, I've already stopped

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you and I saw the big.
Oh God, I'm like, I want to like

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cover my whole.
Face even now, OK, it's not what

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you not what you wanted to do,
but or even like, you know, that

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wasn't where your heart was to
be on the stage, but you wanted

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to design the stage.
You wanted to to design the

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sets, but like you've done that,
like that's just so cool.

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Like, you know, it's, it's so.
Weird because like, I don't

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think even I was so young during
all of those times that like, I

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don't even know if I wanted to.
I mean, I think there was a

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certain amount of like, oh, this
is kind of cool, you know?

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And like, clearly everybody else
around me thought it was really

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cool too.
Like all my friends were like,

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Oh my God, that's huge.
And I'm like, yeah, well, you

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know, not, not really excited
about it, but I'll do it, you

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know?
And and it was all very surreal,

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I think.
Like, I just don't think that it

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really hit me that this was
different, that this was

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anything out of really out of
the ordinary.

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Yeah, because again, you, you
know, you were in a crib on a

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speaker from a baby and you
know, like most people, you

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know, you go to a like venues
and you know, like you were

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actually there.
You as, you know, you as you as

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the the artist's daughter, you
know, you were treated as like

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real VVVVVVIP.
They're like, that's just like

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amazing.
And you said, like, when you got

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into art, obviously that came
like, naturally to you.

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You know, to get into art, you
sort of graduated in fashion.

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Well, so, you know, my mom was
like, I don't care what you do.

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You just need to have an
education and a degree in

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something, you know, And I had
expressed to her that like, you

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know, there was there was
interest in the industry and

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music and things like that.
Like eventually, like in high

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school, mostly I just honestly
didn't really know what I wanted

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to do.
I just had little interest in

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all different types of things.
And so you know what she was

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like, OK, well, apply to
college, you know, do your

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thing.
And I applied to multiple

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different things.
I think I applied to like

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culinary school.
I did like regular public

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universities.
I did.

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I just had no, I was just
throwing mud against the wall

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and hoping something was going
to stick.

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And when I got the acceptance
letters of the couple of schools

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that I was planning, I was
hoping that I could go to it was

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it was very different.
And it just was very easy and

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immediate that I was like, OK,
cool, I'll go to New York, go to

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design school if I can, like
draw and do art and do that, you

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know, for the next 4 years when
I figure out my life, then

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great.
And when I got there, it was

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really interesting because
design school was not art school

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at all.
Like I was thinking that I was

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going to be painting and doing
sculptures and and drawing and

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fun things all day and design
school kicked my ass.

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Performers.
OK, So what did you find that

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were like, really?
Yeah, well, in your words,

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kicked your ass.
Like, you know, what was the

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what, what what made that?
It really changed the way that I

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I thought about the world which
you know, like everything is

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designed, everything is thought
of as part of a user experience,

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right?
Like you, you have a a problem

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and through design, how do you,
how do you marry form and

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function to make it make sense
for whoever is experiencing it

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or the user of the experience,
the product, the clothing,

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whatever it is that you're
designing.

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And it was really hard because
art is expressive.

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Art is subjective to the person.
Art can be really anything as

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long as it's it's more emotion
based, whereas design is really,

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I think more meant to solve a
problem or maybe try to answer a

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question.
And yeah.

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And so that was really, really
hard to kind of turn my brain

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into like, OK, you are, you have
clients, you have people that

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you designed for now.
Like there is a purpose to what

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it is that you are creating, as
opposed to just something for

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your own enjoyment or for your
own self-expression.

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Yeah, I never really looked at
that like that, but yeah, yeah,

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yeah, completely right.
Yeah.

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So when I, you know, four years
of that and I realized I'm like,

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I don't, I didn't really like
fabric shopping.

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I didn't really care too much
about the clothes that people

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were going to wear.
I didn't really want to have my

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own line.
I I really enjoyed like the

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experience of someone watching a
show, you know, like what the

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music would be like, what the
clothes would look like, how

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they would be lit, You know
what, what kind of feelings that

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was going to evoke.
And so even my thesis, even my

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thesis project for graduation
was centered around music.

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And, and so I just kind of knew
after I graduated.

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I'm like, I just, I don't think
fashion is really going to be

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the industry that I'm going to
end up in.

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But I've I've learned.
A lot, but I love that because

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you sent me a few like little
bits to like read up on you and

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stuff.
And one thing was like, you

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know, you realized that you
weren't interested, like you

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said, in the designing of the
clothes and thought you was

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looking at the runway and how it
was lit and how you could design

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it now so that, you know, you
had that you'd found yourself

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really you just then needed to
take it to the next step.

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I just feel like.
Well, I mean, looking back on my

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life now, like actually, I, I
haven't really talked about it

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in this kind of timeline in a
very like, I don't really know

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if, if ever really just someone
that I've never even met in

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person.
But like, it really is.

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I, I feel like I've like lost
myself and found myself

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multiple, multiple times and
it's still like a continuing

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journey because yeah, like even
though my mom never really

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encouraged going into the
industry, she was just, it was

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like, OK, I had two different
worlds that I had to move

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between.
And then now same thing with my

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art, like with between design
and art, you're just like, OK,

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how do I figure out where I fit
in between these two things?

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And then eventually also
touring.

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You're trying to figure that out
also.

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But I suppose maybe for your mom
especially, I'm going to say

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back in the day, you know, it
was different, you know,

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especially for if you aren't
going to be the artist there,

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there weren't that many females
behind the scenes.

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So, you know, she wasn't going
to encourage you necessarily to

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get into that industry or the
females that were there.

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You know, it was tough.
You know, I believe that we are

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very fortunate now to be in the
industry.

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There's so many ladies now that
are coming in and shining so

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bright.
And, you know, it's not

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obviously it's not just because
they're lady, but they're, you

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know, such a talented, yeah,
talented humans like yourself,

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you know, so it is even with
anything in life, you know, it's

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a learning path.
It's a learning.

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You make mistakes.
And I mean, my goodness, I

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would, well, I'd hate to even
talk about my, my, my life like,

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you know, like, like how it had,
like you said, the timeline.

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Because really, it's like, up,
it's down.

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It's up, it's down.
It's like roundabout.

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But here we both are, you know,
talking together and as I said,

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you know, reading, reading up on
everything that you've done, I

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just find it incredible.
Like so after you, like you

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graduated, you actually went to,
was it Taiwan or did you go back

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to Hong Kong?
Well, it was Taiwan.

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I am.
So what?

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When when I moved to New York,
my mom decided to go back to

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Asia because she was just, it's
just easier for her.

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And so I went to Taiwan that
summer just because I really

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didn't know what I wanted to do.
And I graduated, I didn't really

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have a job.
I was just like, OK, I need to,

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maybe I'll just spend some time
with my family and see how that

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goes.
So interning at a a lighting

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rigging company in Taiwan was
actually one of the coolest

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periods of, of my life because
again, I would like, I just kind

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of didn't know what I was doing,
but I went into it with like a

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happy, happy go lucky kind of
attitude and was just like,

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cool, I don't know what's going
on, but like I'm here the.

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Translator here as well.
Was that like your main?

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Yeah.
So, yeah.

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That was it.
That was how it started.

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Because you know, like we had, I
think it was a, a friend of my

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mom's.
He he was the I don't want to, I

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don't know if it's CEO or I
don't think he was Aceo.

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He was like just the boss, the
boss at the time, the manager of

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the company.
And, and they were, they had a

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lot of like Western tours coming
through Taiwan at the time.

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And they just needed someone
that could speak English and

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speak Chinese and was willing to
just be there to help out and

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help translate.
So I'm like, OK, cool.

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Like I can do that.
I can speak up languages.

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I don't, you know, yeah.
Like, and I get to watch free

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shows.
I get to hang out and, you know,

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and, and it just, it worked out
that way.

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And, and the more I kind of did
it.

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So initially I, I did it for
free because I was just so

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excited to be like asked to be
somewhere and I could be useful,

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you know, And then eventually I
got really good at it and

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started, you know, learning all
the terminology and like just

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kind of figuring out the urgency
of a load in and a load out and

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like how productions work and,
and making friends.

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And it just kind of evolved from
there.

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Because I mean, I just found, I
mean, you know, speaking, you

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know, Chinese and to be the
translator, that just blew my

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mind anyway, just because like
really, I mean, I've done a few

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tours and I think I mentioned
this to you yesterday.

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You know, when we arrive, you
know, in somewhere in Asia,

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really there is a, a huge
barrier of language.

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You know, some, some of us, we
can get by with a little bit of

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French, German or whatever, but
really like there is a barrier

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there.
So to be there translator for

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these production companies
coming in, yes, you can speak

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the languages, but understanding
how each production works, you

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know, must have been a huge eye
opener to even see that.

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And like you said, the urgency,
you know, where do you send the

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local crew?
And you know, and also having a,

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you know, a nice manner, which I
believe, you know, you have a

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nice manner of putting it.
You're not one of these that are

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going to shout.
Yeah, yeah, we're we're besties

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already does.
It actually does this do that

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does it, you know, like a base
time little hearts.

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Does it not either?
And I guess not.

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Learn the industry.
I mean, you know, I remember my

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very first load in that same
thing.

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You're like pull like what on
earth just happened there?

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You know, so to be the the
really you, I imagine, and

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please correct me if I'm wrong,
but you'd have been pulled from

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so many directions as well.
So to handle yourself in that

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environment, you know is is is
awesome.

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I think it really because
obviously in Asia there are no

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there, the regulations are very
different to how they are here.

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You know, in the US you have the
union, you have lots of like you

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know how how long you're allowed
to work versus once you get into

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overtime.
And then all these boundaries

444
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,040
put in place to obviously
protect crew and protect state

445
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,800
chance and protect the people
that are working.

446
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,840
But in especially, you know,
years ago, when I first started

447
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,320
in Asia, I really was just, you
throw bodies at it or you just

448
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:06,480
work until you get the job done.
So it's the conditions were a

449
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000
lot, lot of times less than
ideal, you know, and, but for

450
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,640
me, it was the beginning of my
career.

451
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,600
So I didn't really know any
better.

452
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,960
Like I, I felt like now looking
back on it, yes, I came from

453
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,000
this comfortable life of
privilege in this industry from

454
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800
the VIP side, obviously, and
being part of the artists group

455
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,040
to now, I felt like, almost like
there was a bit of a chip on my

456
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,680
shoulder.
So like if I was going to step

457
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,960
into this industry that was,
that was almost like a family

458
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,840
industry to a certain degree.
But like not having mommy to

459
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,320
hold your hand anymore.
It's kind of like, you know, you

460
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640
need to get your shit together.
You need to learn what you're

461
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,440
doing and like figure out how to
stand on your own 2 feet.

462
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,600
So to me now, looking back on
it, like, damn, some of those

463
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,240
conditions were kind of insane.
Like, you know, like working in

464
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,760
the summer when it's 100° and
there's no AC inside and you've

465
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,040
got people up in the roof and,
you know, doing all of that and

466
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,160
getting the rig together and
preparing for the tour to come

467
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,840
through.
It was just like, we'd be

468
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,880
working round the clock.
And people, you know, I had

469
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,920
friends and colleagues that
would be like taking naps on the

470
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,160
Truss up there that might may or
may not have been wearing a

471
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,000
harness, you know, or clipped
in.

472
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,240
And you like lots of different
things like that.

473
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,120
Or like I used to really, really
get excited about lunch boxes or

474
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600
dinner boxes because like in
Taiwan, you know, like you, you

475
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,040
can, they order meals for us as
never catered.

476
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,840
But like they always come these
like delicious cardboard little

477
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
boxes filled with rice and you
get your vegetable and sometimes

478
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,200
you get a chicken leg or like a
fried pork chop or something on

479
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,200
there.
And obviously, like, if you're

480
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,720
eating it constantly for like
months because you're doing

481
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,880
circulation, like to me, I was
like, Oh my God, like what, what

482
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,760
flavor am I going to get today?
You know?

483
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720
And then was, it was, and then
we'd, you know, you'd sit

484
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,640
outside on these little plastic
old chairs and like, it just

485
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:07,400
felt like, as cliched as it
sound, it felt like camaraderie.

486
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,760
And it felt like, it felt really
nice for me to just be treated

487
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,360
like everybody else and to feel
like I was very hungry for the

488
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,040
industry and learning all of
these things.

489
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680
And I just really, really
enjoyed it.

490
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,600
But it it's it's now like, I
think really kind of almost like

491
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,760
sanded me down a lot, You know,
to then be able to enjoy 10

492
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,120
years later being on tour and
being like, yeah, it really is.

493
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,800
This is, it's so different how
things are done, but being able

494
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,280
to kind of understand both sides
of like.

495
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280
But that's what I mean, you
know, we may not do.

496
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Things the way you do it, but it
doesn't mean that it it it

497
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,440
functions any less well,
sometimes it sometimes it

498
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720
doesn't function that great, but
you know, it's still it's just

499
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,640
culturally a different thing.
And like being open to that is

500
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,880
is very important.
And I think maybe.

501
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,920
Maybe even more than speaking
the language. 100% we said to,

502
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,240
you know, like it's body
language is how you come across

503
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,640
to anybody.
Seriously, That is it it, it's a

504
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480
smile.
I mean, I'm, I shouldn't say I'm

505
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,800
terrible.
That's a that's a silly thing.

506
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,400
But I smile.
I do when I'm out on the street.

507
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,280
I smile all the time because I
just, I don't, it's a stranger.

508
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,600
I'm going to smile, you know,
OK, He's slightly different, but

509
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,680
you know, it's, it's.
Even just making an attempt to

510
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,680
understand.
Yes.

511
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,840
I think goes a long way.
You know, like you might not

512
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,600
speak the same language, but
like you can curiosity is also

513
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,280
very obvious.
Like if someone genuinely is

514
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,600
open to trying to understand
where you're coming from or what

515
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,480
a situation is or what something
is like, you know, it's a very

516
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,720
different kind of look that you
give someone.

517
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,480
It's a different kind of energy,
I guess.

518
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,240
As well, I'm AI really am a big
believer that we are all the

519
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,440
same.
You know, it doesn't matter

520
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,520
about your title.
You know, we are all human and

521
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,200
we should be kind, we should be
loving.

522
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,760
And I always remember I years
and years ago, I used to work

523
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,920
for Formula One and we were like
setting up all the vending areas

524
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,440
and I was constantly going
through this one particular gate

525
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,320
to one of the, the main
grandstands.

526
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,240
And every time I went through,
it was the same boy.

527
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,240
And bless him, he's, you know,
he's on his feet.

528
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,720
Like at least I'm going around.
He's in the same position all

529
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,280
day, just standing there.
So I would always, whenever I

530
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360
went by, I'd always given him,
I'd always pick up a water from

531
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,320
our canteen or I'd pick up some
chocolate.

532
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480
And I just, I'll give it to him
and say, and I didn't want

533
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,760
anything in return.
I just saw him all the time.

534
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,080
And, you know, we became just,
you know, introduced each other.

535
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,840
Passing.
Yeah, that's it.

536
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,000
Buddies in passing and then it
came to the race day and

537
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,400
something was urgently needed in
the grandstand.

538
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,600
So I'd actually sent one of the
like the other staff round to

539
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,720
sort it out and they messaged
Sarah, I can't get in.

540
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,760
They they will not let me in.
They will not let me in.

541
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,640
And I was like, it's really
strange.

542
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,200
But anyway, so I was like, OK,
I'm coming.

543
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,080
So I came round and it was the
same.

544
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,760
He went, oh, because of course
he like not that one, like, you

545
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,680
know, but I also know this other
person, the attitude they had,

546
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,520
they're not always friendly.
They don't always respect

547
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,720
everybody.
But then when they see like a

548
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,120
big top dog, they're all like,
hi, hi.

549
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480
And I'm like.
God, I love those people.

550
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Seriously.
And sometimes they manage to get

551
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,520
places where you think to
yourself, surely do you not see

552
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,880
that they just sucked up to you?
They do.

553
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,760
I don't, I don't get it either.
I truly like, you know, I, I I

554
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,360
just believe that I mean, this
will probably get me.

555
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,320
I don't know how much troubles
will get me in, but whatever.

556
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,880
Like if you give someone enough
rope, they'll hang themselves

557
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560
with hit and you know, like, I
don't need to be the one that's

558
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,520
tightening it, but like, if you
want the rope, here you go.

559
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,520
You know, like it kind of comes
around.

560
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,120
I think.
I believe that.

561
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,239
So I used to believe it comes
around, but I'm not so sure now.

562
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,719
Really, I'm I'm not so sure
I've, you know, I.

563
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Really.
I do.

564
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,199
I think I, I do doubt.
Sometimes I wonder, I'm like, am

565
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,440
I going to get to have the
satisfaction of seeing it or

566
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480
like.
Not really.

567
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,679
There's some people now I'm like
hell, like, you know, even on an

568
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,920
event or whatever from years ago
and I'm like, you're still in

569
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,280
the industry.
Everyone's still complaining

570
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,920
about you, yet you still get the
gigs like, and, and if I'm

571
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,080
honest, you're not your work
isn't that good.

572
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Like, really, it's just that
they managed to suck up to the

573
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,040
right people at the right time,
and really that.

574
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,840
Do you think that it's also a
little bit of, I mean the

575
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,360
industry is, is?
It's not a little.

576
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,560
After the pandemic, you know.
Yes.

577
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,360
I mean, well take for instant
me, I haven't even gone back

578
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520
into the industry.
So like I mean.

579
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,880
Floating around like yeah.
Like that, like I I never

580
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000
actually went went back in.
I mean, I'm so I love this what

581
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,600
I do now, like I love it.
I love working with Marcel and

582
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,760
like the main podcast Geez of
gear and but I can see a lot of

583
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,880
the change, especially when we
do have guests come on.

584
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,680
You know, often we're talking
about things, the changes, but I

585
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,320
think in general, everybody's
changed.

586
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,960
You know, we've become more of
ATV nation, you know, phones

587
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,680
now.
I mean, it drives me crazy to

588
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,680
see, you know, go out and people
are on their phones.

589
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,400
You know, I make it a rule that
my phone goes off at night.

590
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,520
If I'm out, it goes off.
You know, I may be having it for

591
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,320
photos.
And I even say to people it's on

592
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,680
airplane mode.
Like my attention is with you

593
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,480
because I I actually stopped
going out years ago.

594
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,800
Actually, this was, I don't know
whether this was just before I

595
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,960
think COVID and I'd go out and
I'd see everybody just on their

596
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,360
phones.
And I said what what has

597
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,560
happened here?
You know, really we've just been

598
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,840
sucked into this world of our
friends are on face, you know,

599
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,040
but as far as the industry, I
mean, a lot of people couldn't

600
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,160
wait to get back, you know, and
work.

601
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,440
I knew that I was never going to
be one of those the one of the

602
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,280
first ones to get offered a job
because I only, I didn't used to

603
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,440
tour a lot, you know, I just
used to do maybe 2 tours, but

604
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,400
only like a small one like every
year or whatever.

605
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,320
And I knew I was never going to
be one of the first to be asked

606
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,800
to go on tour again.
And I was OK with that.

607
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,720
You know, I you know, I wanted
the people that really had like,

608
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:54,360
struggled, especially being on
on their own, you know, in

609
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,160
apartments.
And I believe you was on your

610
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,320
own at this point, wasn't you?
Yeah, you was.

611
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Yeah.
So you was on your eye and not.

612
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Yeah.
I mean, what?

613
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,200
Yeah.
What was it like being really

614
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,520
being on on your own there in an
apartment building?

615
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,400
That's what I, I, I.
It was I, I think I lost a bit

616
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,040
of my sanity, not that I had a
whole lot to hold on to before

617
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,320
that anyway.
But honestly, going into the

618
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,000
pandemic, like I had finally
gotten to a place in touring

619
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,720
that I felt like I wasn't super
worried anymore about when the

620
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,880
next gig was coming.
You know, like I felt like I had

621
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,360
paid my dues enough that I'm
like, OK, I can chill a little

622
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,920
bit.
The tour will one thing will

623
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,200
roll into the next.
I don't need to be as like

624
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,960
terrified that I need to hustle
so hard for the next thing.

625
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,920
Like I was, I was OK, but
strangely, I was also deeply

626
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,560
unhappy.
But I didn't really know why.

627
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,040
And it actually took the
pandemic and kind of hitting

628
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,040
rock bottom.
In.

629
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,240
My 580 square foot apartment in
New York City, like everyone had

630
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,760
left.
I could see like morgue trucks

631
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,040
going by.
There was a clinic down at the

632
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,320
street that I can see from my
window that always, you know,

633
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,400
had the ambulances going in and
they had people standing.

634
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,360
It was just, it was terrifying.
And like the only time that I

635
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,840
like, I would go maybe shopping
for groceries once every like a

636
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,360
week or 10 days.
I try to drag it out as long as

637
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,640
I could.
There was just a lot of fear in

638
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,280
New York and I couldn't go see
my family.

639
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,240
There was nobody in New York
that could see me.

640
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:39,120
So I was completely isolated for
about 5 months before I was

641
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,200
finally able to get a visa to go
to Asia to visit my mom who was

642
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,120
literally losing her mind in
Taiwan because she was so

643
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,600
worried because she all she was
doing was just watching the news

644
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,200
and being like, and I'm like
I'm, I'm OK.

645
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Yeah, and yeah, Sorry.
Go on.

646
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,440
No, no, no, no, no.
Carry on.

647
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,400
Well, and, and so it just, it
was actually when I came back

648
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,520
from visiting my mom that I, I
really like so much happened

649
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,520
during the period of, during
lockdown and during the, the

650
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,320
pandemic time.
Like I was, you know, there was

651
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,680
a lot of fear, there was
depression, you know, being away

652
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,160
from family breakdown of a, of a
long relationship was also in

653
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
the middle of that.
And, and it just, I, it was like

654
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,920
a full reset.
Like everything kind of was

655
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,040
destroyed before.
I was like, OK, why was I so

656
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,520
unhappy at the time?
You know, like my career felt

657
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,600
like it was moving sideways.
I was doing all these big tours,

658
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,120
but like I had, you know, by the
time I was involved with the

659
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,640
tour, it was everything was done
and ready to go.

660
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,920
Like I was just kind of the
executor of whatever task I was

661
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,520
asked to do, whatever department
that I was in.

662
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,560
And it just didn't feel like, I
just didn't feel like I was

663
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,800
doing what I really what was,
what would make me happy.

664
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Yeah.
Well, you, you wasn't in the

665
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,080
position at that time.
And touring is very depressive.

666
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,840
I'm, I'm going to say that
really, really like, wait, it's

667
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,440
all my life.
Sorry, go ahead.

668
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,280
No, no, no, no.
I was like all my life, you

669
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,280
know, I've toured where they're
all travelled, travelled and

670
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,400
toured with work.
And I really argued, be high on

671
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,880
a tour.
But then knowing that, you know,

672
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,520
everyone's in the same hotel,
you can be on your own, but you

673
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,960
know that next door, there's
someone next door, someone below

674
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,920
and up.
And you walk around the streets

675
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,560
and you might say hi.
You can hang out with people,

676
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,280
you can be on your own, but you
just know that you're with

677
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,160
people.
Then all of a sudden you come

678
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,840
home and you're like, OK, I'm,
I'm one on my own.

679
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,640
I'm two, I'm exhausted.
So I'd sleep for ages and then

680
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,880
there would be the unless there
was like something that you'd

681
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,360
already planned, like another
tour you'd got planned already.

682
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,400
Then then I was like, oh, when
we're going to get more work.

683
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200
So then you've got that kind of
on your mind.

684
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,680
And then when you went
eventually to see, I mean,

685
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,320
sadly, I, I not sadly, I moved
to Crete and I wasn't part of my

686
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,000
family.
So I, I, you know, I've been

687
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
here on my own for a long, long
time.

688
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,320
So for me, when I went out to
see friends, they would all be

689
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,280
like, oh, Sarah, you know,
you've been to here, here, here,

690
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,760
here.
And then I've tried to explain.

691
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Yeah.
But I didn't really.

692
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,480
I saw a tour bus, an arena or a
stadium, car park and a stadium

693
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,200
and a hotel maybe like, you
know, And they're like, oh,

694
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,560
yeah, but you traveled there,
Said like, nobody got me.

695
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,680
So I was here in a world that
nobody got me.

696
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,520
I went on tour and nobody got me
because, well, why don't you

697
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,160
tour all the time?
And why do you go back to live

698
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,880
on a Crete?
So nobody really understood me.

699
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,760
So it is a very depressive time.
Then, of course, when COVID

700
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,240
happened, like, yeah, I
completely understand you.

701
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,800
But what I want to ask, because
we've kind of like after you

702
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,760
spent the four years in Taiwan
as a translator, you got

703
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,560
involved.
Was it a Dutch company that

704
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,760
brought you back to New York to
then do all the tours?

705
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,600
So when I was in, so when I was
in Taiwan, there was a company

706
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,600
called, well, it was a show
called Sensation.

707
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,520
So they, they worldwide, they do
these, I don't know if you've

708
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,280
heard of them, but they, they do
these huge raves, like these

709
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,920
amazing, beautiful, beautiful
parties.

710
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,720
And so each of them, they have
like different themes, which

711
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,720
like, it like changes, like the
design of the show.

712
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,960
And then like these different
themed shows go to different,

713
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,920
you know, different countries
all over the world.

714
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,240
And so I first met them when
they did an Asia tour and they

715
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,200
came through Taiwan and it was
the show called Ocean of White.

716
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,600
And it was, it was the most
stunning thing I think I'd ever

717
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,640
seen.
It was it did they had these

718
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,520
like giant inflatable jellyfish.
So everything is always white.

719
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,200
But so there's this this
rotating DJ booth in the middle.

720
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,320
And they have like usually six
or seven pretty big DJ's that

721
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,640
like would headline each of
those different shows.

722
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,360
So the show is really, really
long.

723
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,800
It's just like an all night
party.

724
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,960
And it just this this particular
show they had because it's

725
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,560
usually in the round and it had
like DJ booth in the middle.

726
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,640
And then it had this long these
two runways filled with water on

727
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,640
either side.
So they had like fountains that

728
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,400
would also were like timed with
different things that they have

729
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,080
dancers that come out.
There's all these like big

730
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,080
gigantic inflatable jellyfish
all over the arena with like

731
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,280
lights and things like that.
They had pyro.

732
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,320
It was like a full week load in
and like rehearsal and all of

733
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,680
this stuff.
And that culminated in this one

734
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,040
big rave like on over the
weekend.

735
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,800
And I just thought to myself,
like, this is this thing is so

736
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,480
cool.
I just didn't even, I didn't

737
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,000
know like who designed it, who
came up with the concept.

738
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,600
I just, I just thought this was
the coolest thing.

739
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,680
And and I don't know if it's
just at the time in Asia too,

740
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,840
like Asia, there's certain parts
of Asia like that are like, I

741
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,680
would say what like maybe 20 to
30 years behind technologically

742
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,040
in some places.
Sorry, are we cutting out

743
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,720
because I might think keeps
freezing?

744
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,320
Yeah, my mine just kept on
freezing as well.

745
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,440
But I think we're back.
So I think we're back.

746
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Oh, it sounds good now.
Great, because I went off on a

747
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,320
tangent.
So anyways, so perfect.

748
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,320
So we get back this beautiful
show and yeah, they just kind of

749
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,440
they, they loved, they loved
working with me.

750
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,600
I loved working with them.
And then they were like, hey,

751
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,440
we're, we're planning on coming
back next year for another Asia

752
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,040
tour with this other show.
Like would you want to be our

753
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,880
production coordinator,
production assistant and also

754
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,200
like help translate and things
like that locally next year?

755
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,720
And so that was perfect.
And I worked with them and it

756
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,640
went well.
And then the company was like,

757
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,160
hey, we're thinking of touring
in the US.

758
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Like, I think there could be
really like an opportunity for

759
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,000
you with us if you, if you want
to go back to New York.

760
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,120
And at the time, I, I just,
that's amazing.

761
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
There was a little bit of a
yeah, there was a little, I

762
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,760
don't know how to describe it.
It's not because like a stigma

763
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,600
would be like a bad thing, but
there was a little bit of like,

764
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,040
you know, like the locals kind
of looked up to these big tours

765
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,840
that came through, you know,
like, like these big productions

766
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,400
and like, sometimes you see like
cool new tech and like really

767
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,160
nicer gear and like, you know,
we just everything is cool.

768
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,960
Yeah.
And so it's like just the, the,

769
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,440
the the gear is a little bit
different and things like that.

770
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,560
So there was always this kind of
like this, this, this admiration

771
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,360
of like the tours coming through
and and all these artists that

772
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,680
are internationally known, these
DJs that a lot of people also

773
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,440
know.
And and so when I got the

774
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,720
opportunity, it was like, oh, no
brainer.

775
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,120
Like this is where, you know, I,
I inadvertently started in Asia

776
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,240
because this was, that was where
I just, you know, found myself

777
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,280
at the time.
Now, like, I know that I want to

778
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:24,000
go back to the US to really
like, learn and hone my skills

779
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,160
and my craft and like understand
the, the rock'n'roll industry.

780
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,760
You know, so it was, it was a
very easy, easy yes for me to go

781
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,040
back.
The funny thing is actually they

782
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,160
just came to visit.
They, they had a show in New

783
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,280
York a couple days ago and I
just spent like most of the week

784
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,640
hanging out with some of these
friends that I kept in touch

785
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,160
with for over 10 years.
And like, they're just like

786
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,160
lifelong, lifelong buddies and
like people that like every time

787
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,880
I see them, they just bring me
so much joy because I don't know

788
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,040
how wonderful I.
Mean, I mean, I bet you see a

789
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,920
lot of people coming through New
York and you know, if you're

790
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,520
there and you're not on tour,
you know, you get to go and hang

791
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,240
out and and yeah, be with them
because after the raves you then

792
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,840
which basically was you still it
wasn't with the same company.

793
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Who did you join, you know, to
be like production assistant and

794
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,400
you kind of took that route,
didn't you?

795
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,960
First of all, I.
Did yeah, so well.

796
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,480
So the, the rave, the whole like
dance scene didn't really make a

797
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,240
whole lot of sense in like
American arenas.

798
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,040
So I think it was an experiment
that was like amazing for when

799
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,640
when it happened.
And then afterwards, I don't

800
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,480
think that it made a lot of
financial sense to do it that

801
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,520
way just because, you know,
arenas and the buildings and

802
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,160
things like that, it just, you
can't really have a big crazy

803
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,200
party.
Like so, yeah.

804
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,960
So I ended up, I mean, I was
freelance this whole time

805
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,840
anyway.
And so I, I ended up hitting up

806
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,160
a lot of my, some of my friends
that I remember that kept in

807
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,560
touch on the road and, and did a
lot of work actually with Live

808
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,840
Nation during my, most of my, so
I, I did, I worked with VIP

809
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,080
nation a lot and another company
called SLO at the time it, it

810
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:25,680
was an also another VIP company
and really just like said, yes,

811
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,800
as much as I could.
I also did a lot of like local

812
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,680
stuff, local shows, cause the
best thing about being in New

813
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,080
York City is that you're,
there's always something

814
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,680
happening at any, you know, any,
anywhere.

815
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,160
So I just kind of really just
kept myself as busy as I could

816
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,520
that way.
And once I started doing the VIP

817
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,160
stuff, it just, it really kind
of, I was good at it and it just

818
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,000
became quite easy for one thing
to keep moving to the next, even

819
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,440
though I wasn't creative or
really designing anything.

820
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,800
But like VI doing VIP was
actually great for me because it

821
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:03,520
you know, it's almost like you
have your own separate little

822
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,840
production, right?
Like you have to settle, you

823
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,320
have to advance for your the the
events that are happening in

824
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,960
conjunction with the show up
with the tour.

825
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,440
And you have your own settlement
at the end of the night.

826
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,720
You have your own budget, you
have you, you hire your own like

827
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,880
assistance.
And sometimes you know, if

828
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,160
you're a great, if you work well
with the production, you can ask

829
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,640
if they'll throw you over a
couple of stage hands that'll

830
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,840
help you move your cases.
But for the most part, you

831
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,960
really have to like, figure out,
yeah, get your kid done on your

832
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,160
own, especially if it's like a
big artist with like a big VIP

833
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,640
program and like multiple moving
pieces.

834
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,120
So again, that was a great
learning experience, too.

835
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,760
And then that just that kept me
busy for like up until the

836
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,280
pandemic, really.
And so at this point, when you

837
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,480
know, you're basically you're
loving touring.

838
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,480
I mean, you talk with some
incredible bands.

839
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Did you have that?
Oh, I want to get into the

840
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,440
creative side.
Or it didn't really you you just

841
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,600
go in with the momentum of of
what you was doing at the time.

842
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,040
I think it was a little bit of
both.

843
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,440
I think I I needed to make
money.

844
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,120
I was also caught up.
I was young and I was really

845
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,480
caught up in like I have a cool
job, you know, and everyone that

846
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,120
I have a cool job.
So, and I'm on tour with all

847
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,520
these amazing artists that have,
you know, like when I tell my

848
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,560
mom about it or when I go back
to visit, like people know who

849
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,640
these people are and it has
nothing to do with, you know,

850
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,720
like my mom or nepotism or
anybody helping me.

851
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:43,320
I'm like, I'm, I'm, you know,
I'm doing it all on my when.

852
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,200
So I was super excited about
that.

853
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,280
But you know, in the VIP
programs, a lot of the things

854
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560
like they'll, they kind of give
you freedom of like, well, how

855
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,960
do you make it look cool?
And how do you create this cool

856
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,000
fan experience?
So I was actually like making a

857
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,480
lot of the decor, like I made
table mats, I made like like

858
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,280
cool little like sculptural
things to put like tablescapes

859
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,200
and things like that.
So it in that way, I kind of

860
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,400
exercise my creative, my
creative muscle and, and so that

861
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,880
always kept in the back of my
mind like this is cool and like

862
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,760
I like being crafty and like
creating this and creating the

863
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,560
experience.
And I was just so busy that I

864
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,160
don't think that I stopped to
think too long about like, Hey,

865
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,880
who do I need to talk to to kind
of get into the creative side of

866
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,760
things.
I know that I, I looked at the

867
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320
show and always wondered kind of
like, I wonder where that

868
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,120
starts.
Like where did those concepts

869
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,240
come from?
Like who are those people?

870
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,880
But I never kind of followed the
train of thought long enough to

871
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,120
be like, maybe I should really
like, delve into that.

872
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,040
Maybe I should really ask.
I just kept thinking, OK, if I

873
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560
keep my head down and I keep
touring and I keep working,

874
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:06,240
eventually something has to, I
don't know, a door has to open

875
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,920
somewhere.
Or maybe you know, like IA?

876
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,520
Lot of the time things happen
accidentally, you know, it's who

877
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,480
you meet that if you've, you've
gone into this line.

878
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,480
I mean, even when you think, you
know, from so far we've gone

879
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,080
from fashion designing to
translator to raves to now

880
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,840
touring like like that that, but
that's a progression.

881
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,520
You know, that is a that is a
huge progression and that just

882
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,120
keeping it like all the way
forward.

883
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,840
And maybe who's to say that, you
know, you'd you'd still be where

884
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,560
you are now, but the pandemic
actually really helped.

885
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:49,280
So it helped you stop it helped
you kind of let's say, yeah, re

886
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,320
evaluate everything, but as you
mentioned, sorry for.

887
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:02,320
You yeah, tell me so quickly on
so I was working for the company

888
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,760
SLOVIP Services for Janet
Jackson.

889
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,240
This was I think in like 2000, I
want to say 2017, but so her it

890
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,600
was the state of the world tour
and her logo was like spray

891
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,160
paint, kind of like very
graffiti like.

892
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,920
And I just remember taking a
little bit of the, the decor

893
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,520
budget that I was given and
going to Home Depot and buying

894
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,240
like muslin drop cloth and like
black spade praise spray paint

895
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,880
and like just all types of
random like shit.

896
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,200
And the first day of the tour
was like in the back by the

897
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,520
loading dock, just like spraying
all this stuff and cutting and

898
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,160
just in like all the guys were
watching me.

899
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,800
Like, what the hell are you
doing?

900
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,920
And I remember I made I think
maybe like 20 table mats.

901
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,400
Then they were just on muslin
and they were sprayed, sprayed

902
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,120
on the edges.
They, they looked really cool.

903
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,120
And then they had her like the
most iconic, like song names and

904
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,040
logo, some of the lyrics like
sprayed onto the side that I had

905
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,360
like painted on to kind of match
the aesthetic of her tour, her

906
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,480
tour art.
And people were stealing these

907
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,920
left in and I had to start
making like announcements before

908
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,080
all of the parties like guys
like, yes, open bar have at it,

909
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,440
you know, enjoy the drinks and
like, you know, the food is is

910
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,680
is there for you guys.
But please please please do not

911
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,920
take the table decor home with
you because I can't keep making

912
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,240
them.
If there's an invitation to take

913
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:38,040
it.
Like, I started pinning them

914
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,600
down onto the black tablecloths
of the cocktail tables or I had

915
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,920
to tell the security guards.
Like, guys, can you just make

916
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,000
sure that, like, people don't
just try to pull these off and

917
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,320
put them into their goodie bags?
Like, these are not gifts.

918
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,920
And like, I'm starting to spend
a lot of money now and a lot of

919
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,280
effort and time to keep trying
to replace it because people

920
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,880
keep walking away with it.
And these are not, these are not

921
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,400
for them.
You know, I mean, it was kind of

922
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,520
like it was nice.
I mean, it was flattering that

923
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,120
people thought they wanted to
take those.

924
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,920
But like but it was I became a
bit of a table table mat Nazi at

925
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,960
one point.
Like please do take this.

926
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,960
And then also they're like, no.
I was like going around and was

927
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,520
like, Oh my God, that's missing.
And then I'd like have to go

928
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,640
into the bathroom and like start
looking into like people's.

929
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,520
But I'm like, do not make me
have to look in your goodie bags

930
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,480
to make sure you guys are not
stealing these.

931
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Yeah, no, seriously, I was.
I was getting like I can't keep

932
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,840
making it like at every single
stop so.

933
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,560
And it was during that tool that
it would, it obviously got cut

934
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,120
short, wasn't it?
No, no, no, no, no.

935
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,440
That one, that one finished that
1 was great.

936
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,000
It was actually I I was out on
Billie Eilish for maybe a couple

937
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,240
of shows and then that was the
one that I got sent home.

938
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,120
That was generous.
And we were done.

939
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,160
Yeah.
And that's I was.

940
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:08,120
In New York and kind of like,
OK, but we all were at the same

941
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,960
boat at the start and it was
kind of a novelty at the

942
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,560
beginning.
You know, you could phone people

943
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,560
and you'd all be home or but as
you said, that whole seeing

944
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,760
everything around you and as I
can't imagine it because I

945
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,240
really was in the middle of
nowhere.

946
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,800
So I was in the middle of
nowhere.

947
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,680
I had a friend and you know it,
you know, it was quite

948
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,960
pleasurable, you know, apart
from the what was going on.

949
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,960
But for myself personally in
this house and lovely

950
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,480
surroundings.
But I said being in the city, I

951
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,160
think I would have literally
gone crazy.

952
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,760
They really, I think I would
have gone crazy and.

953
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,560
I just never seen the city look
the way it did.

954
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,160
It was empty.
Yeah.

955
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,600
Yeah, it was.
It was terrifying.

956
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:56,200
It looks like apocalyptic like.
And it was everybody like,

957
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,560
because I really don't know
about what it was like.

958
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,000
They're like, were you allowed
to go out all the time or only

959
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,760
go out for like an hour's walk
like we were here or well.

960
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,680
You know, initially when it was
really, really bad, it was just

961
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,120
dead silent.
And most of the people in my

962
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,080
building, a lot of them, you
know, if if they had homes

963
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,120
outside of the city, most of
them had left.

964
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,440
And then the only ones that
were, you know, still around,

965
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,600
like, I mean, this is going to,
it's this image is funny, but I

966
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,160
remember pulling the window open
as far as it would go so that I

967
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,960
could at least stick my head out
and like kind of look up and

968
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,840
down and around to see like if
who out of my neighbors were

969
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,960
there.
Because every day at 7:00, there

970
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,560
was a whole like clapping for
like the, the, it said, you

971
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,240
know, like the, the workers and
the people in the hospitals and

972
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,360
things like that.
So that was kind of like the the

973
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,200
only time really in the day that
you kind of see who was still in

974
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,640
the immediate vicinity and like
around you and you kind of wave

975
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,400
at them and like, look it, it
was pretty crazy.

976
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,160
Yeah, I, I mean, even just, I
mean, that's like the the, I'm

977
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,640
not going to say excitement, but
like at 7:00 in the morning,

978
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,600
you'd go out, clap and look to
say, oh, OK, you're still here.

979
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,160
Yeah, you're still here and you
know it.

980
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,480
Really, it was that.
And then I remember, like,

981
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,120
because my apartment's so small,
but like, I kind of got into

982
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,520
this weird routine of like, OK,
once I wake up, leave my

983
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,680
bedroom, close the door, I'm not
going back in there until it's

984
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,200
time for bed.
Because otherwise, like, I

985
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,120
needed to feel like there was
space and that there was like,

986
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,440
some kind of separation to my
day of like, OK, I'm just going

987
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,880
to spend my time between the
kitchen and the living room.

988
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:40,440
And then, you know, the end of
the day, I can like, go back to

989
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,080
bed kind of thing.
And I painted a lot too during

990
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,360
the pandemic.
I actually ended up painting, I

991
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:53,920
think 3030 or 35, like postcard
size cityscapes.

992
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,800
That's New York because because
my, my dining room table just

993
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,480
like looks out onto the, just to
the city and you could see the

994
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,960
sunset.
And so I just every night I

995
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,520
painted it and I just put it in
like they, they fit in like

996
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,360
regular envelopes And I just
mailed them out to some friends

997
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,200
and, and it just, it was a thing
to just keep my brain occupied

998
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,160
and, and it was nice to get a
text when people received it.

999
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,480
And you know, it's just like
greetings from New York.

1000
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,320
If you know like all good here
for now.

1001
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaking of you.
I mean, I, I started, I started

1002
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,120
doing like like black and white,
like illusional, like optical

1003
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,760
illusional paintings and
drawings.

1004
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,040
And I like I loved it, but I got
obsessed.

1005
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,920
Like I would sit there all night
just painting and drawing all of

1006
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,360
these.
And then I got bored with like

1007
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,760
what I was doing on.
I mean, I can't remember how

1008
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,600
anyway.
And also I was like looking at

1009
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,520
these white ward.
Now bear in mind, I rent from an

1010
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,880
old lady, a Greek lady, and I
was looking at the walls and I

1011
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,840
was like, yeah, I'm going to
paint them.

1012
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,320
So I end up painting all the
walls like black and white and

1013
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,520
then another one red and white.
You're like art on a big scale

1014
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,000
like that on the walls and.
I was like, it was amazing.

1015
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,320
Like the feeling to do it on
these walls were like, I've

1016
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,560
never done anything like that
before.

1017
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,280
And so I painted all this stuff
and then I was like, oh, what

1018
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,400
happens if she comes into the
house?

1019
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,760
I'm like, like, anyway, she did.
She actually didn't come in for

1020
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
ages, but when she did come in,
I said, don't worry, when I

1021
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,320
leave, I'll paint it all over
white.

1022
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,120
I'm thinking, I don't know if I
can actually get rid of that.

1023
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,760
That's such a strong like red
and it's like black.

1024
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,760
Anyway, I managed to get rid of
what an it was such a incredible

1025
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,400
feeling to be creative and
artistic and.

1026
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,640
Like I think it was a release,
right?

1027
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,120
Some kind of like just a?
Really like, and I know we said

1028
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:53,840
it was a reset, but really to to
put yourself in that feeling of

1029
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,080
expressing yourself through
painting and you know, it really

1030
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,480
it's really helped me.
I mean, I was even saying to my

1031
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,560
husband, like I miss it.
Like I mean I started doing a

1032
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,120
couple more the other day but
work now or.

1033
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,120
I feel like life doesn't allow
you to get to that point the way

1034
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,040
we did in the pandemic, because
there was definitely, at least

1035
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,040
for me, a certain amount of like
sitting with how uncomfortable

1036
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,000
you felt.
Like there was, there was a

1037
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,920
tipping point of like, I think
I'm actually going to lose my

1038
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,640
mind or like hope and despair.
And like, you know, of like,

1039
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,360
what if this doesn't get better?
What if I, you know, like I have

1040
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,160
to start all over in a new
career.

1041
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,320
I need to find my own direction
again or what, what like what of

1042
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,400
all these horrible possibilities
happen, right?

1043
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,600
And, and I like, I'm lonely, I'm
uncomfortable, I'm, I'm scared,

1044
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,640
I'm, I, I don't know what to do.
I'm lost.

1045
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:56,920
Like, but you just had so much
time to just sit in this that

1046
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,040
like, finally, I think that
energy had to have some kind of

1047
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,400
a release.
And for some people, like you

1048
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,640
and me, like we, it came out in
being creative or being or

1049
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,080
painting or drawing or, you
know, for some people, making

1050
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,440
bread.
Or make it, I don't know, you

1051
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,200
know, but there was lots of
people doing like different

1052
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:19,800
thing.
Me as well.

1053
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,880
I, I started walking, walking
was my thing.

1054
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,480
And I mean really because
there's hills, there's

1055
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,960
mountains, there's everything.
Nobody stopped us from walking

1056
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,400
because like there was nobody
there.

1057
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,560
And really by the time you know,
like from the whole like 3 year

1058
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,160
period from start to finish when
you know, you can say COVID was

1059
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,120
over.
I mean, really, I walked round

1060
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,200
the whole island.
I think.

1061
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,840
I can't remember how, how many
kilometers had I walked off?

1062
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,000
I've really forgotten how many
now.

1063
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,840
I started to look it up, but
like thousands, 1000 kilometers

1064
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,720
walking, walking everywhere.
And that was my release as well.

1065
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,120
Now, you know, trying to find
that time to go on a beautiful

1066
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,120
walk, you know, I was walking
seven hours a day, you know,

1067
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,760
because that's I had, yeah,
literally, I had time, you know,

1068
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,720
we all we had was time.
Then I'd get home in the.

1069
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,800
Best shape of your life?
Oh, oh, seriously, I'm like 2

1070
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,680
stone heavier now.
Like really like I hate it.

1071
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,840
And even that, you know, because
now what do I do?

1072
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,560
I sit here, I go for like an
hour, hour's walk, which is

1073
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,840
nothing, you know, in the
mornings.

1074
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,360
But so yeah, I really was.
I was.

1075
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:31,240
So go back a couple of year.
It's crazy that it was four

1076
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,680
years ago now.
You know the worst of it.

1077
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,720
But but I for me, it was like
that.

1078
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,160
The painting was therapeutic and
also sending it out.

1079
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,120
Because I've never done that.
Before, like, I think you know

1080
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,840
what I, I do really, I was,
I've, I've been, I've always

1081
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,720
been a very private person and
I've really been quite reclusive

1082
01:03:53,720 --> 01:04:01,080
as a child and really to kept to
myself and so to finally then

1083
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:06,240
like send my art out as a gift.
To people and.

1084
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,640
Kind of put myself out there in
a way because art is very

1085
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,800
vulnerable, you know, like I, I,
I just, but to like, send it out

1086
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,800
to so many people and just as
sort of like a little bit of a

1087
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,760
little love, you know, in, in
the mail.

1088
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,880
That was kind of like the
beginning of me feeling like,

1089
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,680
OK, maybe this is where I need
to start stepping out of really

1090
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:29,720
stepping out of my own comfort
zone and really embracing being,

1091
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,360
being more seen or exposing
myself a little bit more if if I

1092
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,480
do want to take the next step
into figuring out what it is

1093
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,440
that I want to do with my life,
you know, or being creative.

1094
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,240
So I believe it was during this
time and you'll have to win at

1095
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:53,520
what point, but it was you saw a
job advert, I'm going to call it

1096
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,560
an advert is that.
Posting yeah on a on LinkedIn.

1097
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,040
On LinkedIn and it was Nick
White.

1098
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,920
So yeah, tell me.
I mean that surely that that was

1099
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,520
a sign that was.
And that's.

1100
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,600
Yeah.
I mean, The funny thing was I, I

1101
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:17,640
felt like I was so on paper, so
under qualified for it, but it

1102
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,160
was such an I, I actually, I
think I have a screenshot of the

1103
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,240
posting because it, it felt like
it was written for me because he

1104
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,560
even specifically said at the
bottom that it was not a

1105
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,840
lighting post.
It for like a lighting job.

1106
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,640
It wasn't like a technical
posting.

1107
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,360
It was for someone that wanted
to be like a producer that

1108
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:40,240
wanted to learn to learn and was
a team player and was willing to

1109
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,640
like, you know, get their hands
dirty and like really like he

1110
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,960
mentored and, and just be a
creative and I was just like.

1111
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:49,520
That's me.
Oh my.

1112
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Gosh, like where do I sign up?
And I hadn't wanted, I had not

1113
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,480
wanted something.
And I don't even know why.

1114
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,080
Does this sentence sound weird
to you?

1115
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,240
I had not wanted something.
Is that grammatically correct?

1116
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Anyway, I hadn't want.

1117
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:15,000
I've never, it had been years,
yeah.

1118
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,960
I had never wanted something so
badly in a very long time.

1119
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,800
Like this was something that I
was like, they have to hire me.

1120
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,160
Like there is no room for them
to hire somebody else.

1121
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:33,160
Like I ended up going.
You believe it in your I know

1122
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,320
this is sound stupid, like if I
believe in something and I

1123
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,440
really want it to happen, I'm
going to sound all like like

1124
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,760
hippie hippie.
Now manifesting it can happen.

1125
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,120
Like I really believe that if I
so with you, you really, really

1126
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,080
it wasn't that you wanted it.
It was just you felt that this

1127
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,640
was you, that that description,
me.

1128
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,480
That's me, you know.
And I felt like I will put my

1129
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,760
absolute best and I didn't, you
know, he, he wanted a creative

1130
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:08,240
pitch.
He was like, explain to me in

1131
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,280
the most creative way that you
can think of how why you think

1132
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,040
you're you would be good for
this job.

1133
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,000
And so in my, I think this
posting was like in April or

1134
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,160
something.
And in my mind, I'm like, shit,

1135
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,280
you know, like, I bet like all
the people applying for this are

1136
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,840
going to be like building 3D
models and like sending crazy

1137
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,120
things.
And I'm like, what?

1138
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,240
I don't, what skills do I have?
You know?

1139
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,000
So I actually had to really dig
through.

1140
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:40,040
Old archival things to Janet
Jackson.

1141
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,280
That's I.
Had some pictures of those in

1142
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,080
there, but like, there was also
a moment when I looked at that

1143
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:51,920
too, because I had always my
background and my mom and like

1144
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,760
my upbringing has I, I never, up
until that point, only a few

1145
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,120
very, like close people really
knew about the situation.

1146
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,800
But like, if I was on tour or
whatever, I didn't really talk

1147
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,760
about it.
Like people would hear about it

1148
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,440
and they'd ask and I'd be like,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

1149
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,400
But I'd kind of skim over it and
passing like I never really

1150
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,040
embraced it.
Yeah.

1151
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,960
Because I just felt like, well,
what my background is has no

1152
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,920
bearing on the work that I have
to do on tour or how I need to

1153
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,160
be treated.
So like, yeah, like it's like

1154
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,600
asking if like you're, you know,
if your mom and dad work in a

1155
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,600
restaurant or whatever, you
know, it's just kind of like,

1156
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:28,800
yeah, they did.
She does.

1157
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,560
She's a singer.
Cool, Let's move on.

1158
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,640
And so with, with applying for
this fire play job, I, I felt

1159
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,720
like there was no way to, I
would be doing myself a

1160
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,479
disservice and I probably
wouldn't have gotten the job if

1161
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:51,880
I didn't fully put myself out
there and like, showed him

1162
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,560
everything that I had and why I
was the perfect person for the

1163
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,160
job, which was, I understood
what it was like for both the

1164
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:04,160
artist and the production crew.
Like I had done costumes and

1165
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,279
designed and all this work with
my mom.

1166
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,479
And I've also done all this
design work and like creative

1167
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,520
stuff also on tour, while not in
like a designing a show kind of.

1168
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,200
Way.
Portfolio but like this is these

1169
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:23,399
are all of my qualifications.
And it was really, really

1170
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,359
uncomfortable.
I was very nervous.

1171
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:31,080
But I made a video explaining
everything and, and sending him

1172
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,840
footage and images and, and
sketches and drawings and, and

1173
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,920
speaking to things that I had
never really talked to anybody

1174
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,760
about.
And well, you know, now, three

1175
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,040
years later, I've been working
for him.

1176
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,560
Yeah, but it's, it's like it's
incredible.

1177
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,040
I mean, we had, we actually had
Nick on the podcast couple of

1178
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,080
months, I think it must have
three or four months ago now.

1179
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:56,920
But he's awesome.
Like really.

1180
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:04,320
And for you, I, I mean, even for
me, like to hear your story or

1181
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,600
to read your story.
First of all, you know, like to

1182
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,440
and to, as I said, it's a bit
of, you know, this podcast, like

1183
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,480
it's like you just have to stalk
everybody.

1184
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:18,680
But I was no, but I was so
excited to one meet you, but to

1185
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,920
to I ain't told myself.
I was like, you were born in the

1186
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,480
industry, but you've done it on
your own.

1187
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,040
You haven't said.
Mom.

1188
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,480
You know, and you know, I didn't
want to talk about your mom on

1189
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:33,800
here, but obviously that's that
it is you, that's that's you

1190
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,280
growing up to now and you know,
to be given the opportunity.

1191
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,920
Obviously Nick said yes, you are
the person, you know, because of

1192
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,200
this amazing background that
you've built yourself, you know,

1193
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:50,080
and the independence and what
you've come through.

1194
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,240
So what?
What have you been working on

1195
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,600
recently?
Well, and I think the, the

1196
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,840
background now, you know, also
having worked with Nick for the

1197
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:06,760
last three years, I feel like I
treat and I think of every

1198
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,720
artist that I work with like
family.

1199
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,040
Like it's almost like they're
all like my mom, Like obviously

1200
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,080
not, but like I, I like I would
if they were my mom, Like how,

1201
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,880
how do I protect them on stage,
but how do I also give them

1202
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,400
everything that they want?
How do I make them look the best

1203
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,720
that they could possibly look?
Like, how can I make it amazing

1204
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,240
for their fans?
How can I make sure that like

1205
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,800
they sound great, they feel
great and that's going to be the

1206
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,960
best tour, best performance for
them.

1207
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,920
And so like, I've been really
lucky the last few years.

1208
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,760
Like I got to work with Demi
Lovato.

1209
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,360
I worked with Romeo Santos and
touched on like, and each and

1210
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,720
and each of these shows were
also different.

1211
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,160
Like with Demi, it was a small
theater tour, but she was in

1212
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,600
this like moving away from pop
and going into more of like the

1213
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,800
rock kind of like really like
raw and hard and like just

1214
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,400
really real kind of vibes.
And then going into the like a

1215
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,160
stadium tour for Romeo Santos
for the like the Latin Latin

1216
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,040
music and it was like a whole
different beast.

1217
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:17,040
But it was, it was so amazing
because nothing was time coded,

1218
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,160
but you know who like, and then
the tour started in, in, in

1219
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,040
South America.
So like we had to do multiple

1220
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,240
iterations of the design because
then it was coming back into

1221
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,400
stadiums and arenas in the
United States.

1222
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,360
So we're like, OK, well, how do
we make this monstrosity be able

1223
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,840
to move?
But like still give him a show

1224
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,000
where he can feel like he's
fluid and free and can like

1225
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,160
start and stop whenever he wants
to.

1226
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,440
And I just freaking love Latin
music anyway.

1227
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:46,120
So that also worked out great
for me.

1228
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,840
And then, you know, this summer,
getting to work with Alanis

1229
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,840
Morissette, who is just.
Sort of the.

1230
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:58,600
Kindest and like she's so
gracious and involved in

1231
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:04,040
everything and she just I short,
I think of my mom and even my

1232
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,800
mom was not like this, but like
she was just so appreciative of

1233
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:14,000
like all the work that you did
for her and and I had the most

1234
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,240
contact with her, like the most
Direct Line of contact.

1235
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,560
Like we had each other's phone
number.

1236
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,880
She would was able to like come
in directly tell me what she

1237
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,560
wanted.
Working with Nate Cromwell,

1238
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,360
who's been her LD for a really
long time, like he was fantastic

1239
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,880
and he really allowed us to
communicate.

1240
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,520
You know, sometimes you're in
certain camps where it's like

1241
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,320
everybody's trying to like
gatekeep the artist and like

1242
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,160
management, things like that.
And just like, I'm like, you

1243
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,280
guys like magic happens when
like all the lines of

1244
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,040
communication open, you know?
So like with Alanis, it was just

1245
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,240
so nice because she was like, Oh
my God, I love this.

1246
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,960
Or let's do this.
Well, what do you think about

1247
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,240
that?
And it was, it was so refreshing

1248
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,120
to to be able to like really
just have human conversations

1249
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,680
with somebody and like really
understand what it was that they

1250
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,120
wanted and, and give them that.
And also had to have your like

1251
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,640
your artisticness again.
Now come out and shine, you

1252
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,320
know, without going.
To be appreciated.

1253
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,760
Yeah, and how to be appreciated,
you know, which is just, I mean,

1254
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,560
really, again, I was looking at
the photos and looking back at

1255
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:18,920
the tour.
Like what you did was just

1256
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,320
incredible, like really.
So I suppose it I do you know

1257
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:24,720
what?
I hate the word happy.

1258
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,760
It's just something that it's
just a word I don't like.

1259
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,280
But do you now feel that you're
happy?

1260
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,760
No.
Do you feel that you're now on

1261
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,400
the path?
So you're you're on a break.

1262
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,800
So right now you're on a little
break, but you're sort of like

1263
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,960
implants it was it?
Have you just finished heart?

1264
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,480
So the heart radio, Was it heart
radio?

1265
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:52,680
So we were working with
iHeartRadio, we'd designed there

1266
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,720
a couple of their festivals.
So we did the the I Heart

1267
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,880
Country in May and then we also
just finished I Heart Fiesta

1268
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,640
Latina, which is their Latin
festival last month.

1269
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,800
And that 1 was fantastic too,
because again, like I said, I

1270
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,080
really love Latin music.
And so I, I remember really like

1271
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,800
asking for this gig because I
was like, hey, can I, can I get

1272
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,000
a shot at it?
You know, and we did pretty good

1273
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,520
on the country.
So like I'd really, really love

1274
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,320
to see if we could do something
amazing for, for the Fiesta

1275
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:31,160
Latina and I, I and they, they
let me give it a shot and shoot

1276
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,160
my shot.
So, so that was a really nice

1277
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,000
one.
And then now since we're getting

1278
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,160
into the holidays, this is kind
of like my just chill a little

1279
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,800
bit going to visit my family
usually around January, February

1280
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,520
for like Chinese New Year's.
I like to spend a little bit of

1281
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,200
an extended period of time with
my mom and then kind of hit the

1282
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,280
ground running when I come back.
So.

1283
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,120
Yeah, I love that because,
again, everyone needs to, like,

1284
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,840
reset, you know, But now that
resetting without being in a

1285
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,600
quarantine, so you can
appreciate your lovely apartment

1286
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,440
in New York, you can appreciate
the streets around and the time

1287
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,640
and look forward to, you know, a
lovely Christmas, I suppose.

1288
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,480
Actually, it's Thanksgiving
festival, isn't it?

1289
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,280
It is, yeah.
You're good.

1290
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:23,440
Only because I booked Marcel a
podcast and he was like, I can't

1291
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:24,680
make that.
And I was like, why?

1292
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,640
He was like, it's Thanksgiving,
I'm sorry.

1293
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,760
So yeah, whenever it was travel
Thanksgiving to the UK because

1294
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,440
there's no Thanksgiving in the
UK.

1295
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,160
So it's like like it's go and
hang out.

1296
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,880
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, so that's, I mean,

1297
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,600
always you've got Thanksgiving,
then there's Christmas and then

1298
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,880
the Chinese New Year.
So you've got a nice time to

1299
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:52,960
really like reset, recharge and
like coming into like, let's say

1300
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,520
when you come back to things,
have you got anything on the

1301
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,760
horizon at the moment or is
there just like anything you can

1302
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,520
say or is it, or is it just
like, yeah.

1303
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,200
No, there's always tons of stuff
like in the works, you know, but

1304
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:09,040
like nothing that's super solid.
And I'm kind of just open to

1305
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,360
whatever, whatever comes up and,
and something always seems to

1306
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,280
come up so.
That is really, that is the most

1307
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,640
incredible attitude.
I think that's the you're the

1308
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:25,200
one of the 1st people to ever
like really be like, no, I know

1309
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,760
something will always turn up
because it does like really it

1310
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,520
does.
It's just your little demon

1311
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,600
brain, not yours like at mine.
Yeah, the you.

1312
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,840
Always go like, oh, but what
about if I don't get any work?

1313
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,280
Oh, what about this?
What about that?

1314
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:39,520
So the time you do and you
trust.

1315
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,440
Me you're you're getting me on a
good day that I do think that

1316
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,560
that does happen.
And I like sit there and I like

1317
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:47,760
overthink.
And I'm like, Oh my.

1318
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,760
God, Oh my God.
But you got me good today.

1319
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,560
It's it's nice and early.
It's a nice morning.

1320
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,520
There's no construction
jackhammering outside my

1321
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,000
windows.
Oh, I'm, I'm optimistic today.

1322
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:04,480
Well, I have to say that I'm so
happy you wanted to come on the

1323
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:06,880
podcast.
I was so thrilled.

1324
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,560
When I got you invited me.
Yeah, as I said, I just my

1325
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,840
first.
My first podcast experience.

1326
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,480
Well, I hope you've enjoyed it.
Thank you.

1327
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:29,720
But I think it's so if you
afford for your first podcast, I

1328
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,000
really hope you've enjoyed it.
And as I said, I just loved,

1329
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,120
yeah, just love meeting you.
And it's a shame you're not

1330
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,200
going to be LDI next week.
I know I'm sad too, but I'm sure

1331
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,640
we'll see each other at some
point soon.

1332
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,760
That's so funny.
It's your first one and like.

1333
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,760
I know my first LDI and I'm so
looking forward.

1334
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,960
To the I don't know if you
drink, but be ready to drink.

1335
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,400
Yeah, that's what everyone's
like.

1336
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,440
Marcel's like, oh, well, we've
actually got a hotel right next

1337
01:18:56,440 --> 01:19:00,240
to the conference because like,
oh, because I don't go out and

1338
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,720
drink anymore.
And I'm like, OK.

1339
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,200
And, and then also I speak to
somebody else and they're like,

1340
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,640
what's day?
Like, what's the comment?

1341
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,440
What the saying is now, well,
goes what happens in Vegas stays

1342
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,360
in Vegas.
Yeah, well, like, Oh my God.

1343
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:18,360
Like one minute, you know, I'm
going there to be, let's say,

1344
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,960
you know, I don't want to say
respectable.

1345
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,440
I like I'm going there to be a
good person, you know, no

1346
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:28,080
drinking and this and that and,
you know, yeah.

1347
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,880
And then also on the next
breath.

1348
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,600
So I was like, no way.
Like you'll have a Bloody Mary

1349
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,240
at like 10:00 in the morning.
And I'm like really like what

1350
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:37,840
it's.
Just because like everything

1351
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,920
ends up, it's like, yeah, like
you can go into the, into the

1352
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,560
like the room where all the
vendors are set up.

1353
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,720
But like after a while it's just
everyone ends up doing business

1354
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,440
back at the bars.
And anyway, you know, and like

1355
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:53,360
especially like all the, the,
the, the not the people who

1356
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,720
matter, but it's like everyone
ends up in Resorts World at at

1357
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,200
the new Circle bar there.
Yeah.

1358
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,120
So like, you're just just plan
to be there for hours and hours

1359
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,840
and hours drinking and drinking
and drinking.

1360
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,800
Like.
Go to the conference, walk

1361
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,840
around and then go to dinner,
schmooze at dinner and then come

1362
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,520
back and then everybody ends up
there and then just for like the

1363
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,960
next 3-4 days.
They really the actual comforts

1364
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,760
going in is, you know, that's
that's you know, it's just a

1365
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:28,640
small part to the whole exactly.
Yeah, yeah, I bring it to.

1366
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,800
I went to bring us up.
When I be and stuff that's going

1367
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:39,000
to like save your liver, but I'm
a terrible drinker, so that's

1368
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,920
why I need those things.
Do you know what now?

1369
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:48,880
Like really, I have the worst
hangovers, you know, even if

1370
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:54,000
it's like a few glasses, loads
of glasses, whatever, glasses

1371
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,560
like I wake up really.
I mean, actually during that,

1372
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,960
during that during the COVID,
but I actually had a year and a

1373
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,440
half where I didn't drink any
alcohol whatsoever.

1374
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:09,840
So really I was like super fit,
super healthy, complete detox of

1375
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,320
the body painting and walking.
Now I will have like I'll have a

1376
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:21,240
glass of wine more whatever.
And next morning I'm like, you

1377
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:22,080
feel.
Function.

1378
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,560
Oh really?
Really.

1379
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,120
And if I have more, you know,
it's like I say, we have a

1380
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,240
bottle of wine, you know, and it
turns into, you know, more of an

1381
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,320
all night thing because here
nobody goes out to 11 And I'm

1382
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,880
like, you know, something like
that happens the next day.

1383
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,200
I'm like, no, you, you just
you're not getting anything out

1384
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,360
of me today.
Like, you know, like they, they,

1385
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,320
there's not.
And then my.

1386
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:45,840
Husband and I will walk from you
today.

1387
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,400
Yeah, exactly.
And I'm like, I just got and

1388
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,680
everyone says to me just, you
know, just go out, walk and

1389
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,520
exercise.
I'm like my brain says no, it's

1390
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,120
like that's it.
So that's why I don't like what?

1391
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,840
What do they say?
All or nothing?

1392
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:02,240
That's what I am or nothing I'm.
Kind of like that's you.

1393
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,760
It's amazing how like even a
couple of drinks now, like the

1394
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,960
worst thing is the sleep.
Like if I'm a little bit drunk,

1395
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:13,480
I I wake up after like a couple
of hours like I'm, I'm

1396
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:17,080
exhausted, I pass out and then a
couple of hours later I wake up

1397
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,480
feeling like absolute dog shit.
Yep.

1398
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,320
It's hard to go back to sleep
and then I wake up with a

1399
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:29,200
hangover the next morning anyway
so I'm just like is it worth it?

1400
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:35,360
But like it kind of sucks to not
also so I have to really.

1401
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,920
Change my mind of like if I do
go out in the evenings and I

1402
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,880
have to be like, OK, so you
know, tomorrow's a write off,

1403
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,720
OK, tomorrow's, you know, we're
not going anywhere adventures.

1404
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,640
We're not doing this.
We're not doing that, I said,

1405
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,720
but the hours we're using at
night time is then my sleep time

1406
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,800
in the day, like to like to have
a lie in.

1407
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,800
So I kind of like switch and
turn it positive for me.

1408
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,280
Whether that's insane, I don't
know.

1409
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,400
But anyway, so I when I'm at Las
Vegas, when I'm at the Circle

1410
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,040
Bar, I will raise a glass to you
and yes.

1411
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,840
Please.
I will I.

1412
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,720
Will.
I think depending on when you're

1413
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,320
there, actually, Nick might be
there.

1414
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:18,440
Oh, easy.
Oh, I might have.

1415
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:20,600
I'll have to reach out to him
because I know it'd be nice to

1416
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,600
meet him.
He's in the UK now because he's

1417
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,400
on Culture Club, so he'll be
there.

1418
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,320
I think his last show's on the
6th or the 7th and they're

1419
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:32,280
rushing back to LDI.
Oh amazing.

1420
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,680
Oh, I'll.
Drop him an e-mail because I'm

1421
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,520
also would love.
To see what days you're going to

1422
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,000
be there.
But like, I might be over.

1423
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,920
I'm actually there for a long
time.

1424
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,280
So I was like, I don't get off
the island a lot.

1425
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,360
So I'm actually in Vegas for 10
days.

1426
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,200
Oh, when when I get there like
on the 5th and then I leave on

1427
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,160
the 15th.
I think you definitely will be

1428
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,600
there the same time he is.
So you guys should definitely

1429
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,920
he'll be drinking and he'll,
yeah.

1430
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,440
OK, yes, for sure I will drop
him, drop him an e-mail and

1431
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,320
please stay in touch.
And if you're ever this side of

1432
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,000
the water, let me know.
And yeah, it was.

1433
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,720
Thank you so much for doing
this.

1434
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:14,120
Thank you.
So.

1435
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,760
Much for having me on there.
I just it's it's been the last

1436
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,160
few days, the last few months
truly and obviously like you

1437
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,600
don't have to put this in the
podcast, but it's just it's been

1438
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:30,960
really nice like to feel like I
can tell a bit of my story in my

1439
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,640
own words and that it seems to
be like interesting to people

1440
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:39,520
and and for me, I've never
really like I just don't do that

1441
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,280
very often.
And so it's, it's been really

1442
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,240
like therapeutic in a way, like
even having the, you know, a

1443
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,160
feature in PLSN and someone
willing to like put that in

1444
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,080
print and like, you know, things
like that is just, it's very,

1445
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:57,440
it's, it's, it's very nice, you
deserve and it's very.

1446
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,080
Appreciated.
No.

1447
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,840
You do everything you've
achieved everything you know,

1448
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,040
and this is only the beginning.
You know of your next.

1449
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:11,920
I hope, I really hope it's it's
it's still all the time, but.

1450
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,240
I think life is sometimes that,
but you've got an amazing

1451
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,760
attitude, you're an amazing
person and yeah, just keep being

1452
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,080
you and life will work itself
out.

1453
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:27,160
Thank you.
Have a good day.