#268 - Colleen Wittenberg - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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Well, I have just finished
recording my second leading

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ladies podcast with the
wonderful Colleen Wittenberg.

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We met on Coldplay and she is an
incredible woman, from cruise

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liners to pandemic, working in
China, directing, lighting, you

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name it, she has done it all and
I couldn't be more proud of her.

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So I hope you enjoy the second
episode of Leading Ladies

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Podcast, part of Geezers of
Gear.

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So I am thrilled to announce
that Leading Ladies now has an

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exclusive sponsor, Light Switch.
I kindly asked John Featherstone

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if he would come on just for
this very first episode of

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Leading Ladies with Light
Switch, just to come on and

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basically, yeah, have a little
chat with me just to introduce

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Light Switch properly and for me
to say thank you for wanting to

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be a sponsor.
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Hello, John, Welcome to you.

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Hello.
Ladies.

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Podcast.
Well, thank you for having me.

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This is an auspicious occasion
indeed, the kick off of this new

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initiative, and we're really
super proud to be involved.

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Honestly, I cannot thank you
enough.

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I I've already done like a
little promo bit at the start

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and played the video, which I
loved and I told all our listers

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that you're coming on now.
Just really for me to say thank

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you to light switch to, for your
support basically, because as

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soon as I had the first episode
that went out, you guys

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contacted Marcel.
I was like, how can we get

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involved?
And for me, that was just like a

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well, it was incredible.
I was totally nervous about the

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whole thing, the concept.
We just had a little chat, just,

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no, seriously, you know, even
approaching Marcel with the idea

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of leading ladies and he was
like, amazing.

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Well, in fact, the name hadn't
come about at this point.

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The name came later from Marcel.
And basically I was like, oh,

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you know, but am I going to be
good enough?

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Am I this?
Am I that?

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And to have the support of you
guys.

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Yeah, it's amazing.
So thank you.

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So, well, you're, you're most
welcome and I'm here kind of

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representing both my other six,
you know, Co principles in light

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switch, you know, all of whom
were unanimous in our support

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and, and the whole light switch
organization.

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Sarah and, and I just want to
start by giving a huge shout out

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to Marcel.
We really have some people in

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our industry that we're so
fortunate to have who, who are

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leaders not only in the
evolution of the hardware and

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technology and creativity that
we do, but also our sense of

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community.
You know, I, I think one of the

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things that I enjoy the most
about what I do and one of the

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things that's always been a core
part of light switch is this

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sense of community.
And I think we have such a huge

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ally, advocate and ambassador
for community in our industry as

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Marcel and we, we live in a time
of increasing disparate

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separation.
And I think it's great that we

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can all rally around and support
each other and lift each other

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up.
And we're so proud to be

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involved with with both leading
ladies and sort of build on the

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foundation of geezers of gear.
You know, I think my former

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fellow countryman Isaac Newton
had a great a great quote.

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He said, if I have seen further,
it is because I'm standing on

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the shoulders of giants.
And I think some of the people

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that have been on Geez as a gear
are the are the giants of our

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industry.
And it's amazing to be able to

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recognize those people.
And I hope that for a lot of the

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younger people in our industry,
that's incredibly aspirational.

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But what we love about Leading
Ladies is this is another

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foundational layer in supporting
people, particularly people that

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are female or female, presenting
it in, in understanding the,

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the, we're all working together
to create an industry that has a

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sense of community and a sense
of support.

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And when we founded Light
Switch, one of the things that

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was most important to us, Sarah,
was that it was a machine for

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empowering people to do their
best work and to feel supported,

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nurtured and, and elevated.
And, and that's what you guys

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are doing and that's what
Leading Ladies is doing, is

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making a really important subset
of our, of our production

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community feel recognized and
acknowledged.

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And we couldn't be more proud to
be involved.

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Really, that's what you've just
said is incredible.

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And as I mentioned to you
before, you know, for me to have

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the support from Marcel as well,
you know, going into this new

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venture, you know, has been
absolutely incredible.

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You know, and it started with
just an idea, a small idea.

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And already the ladies that are
have already been involved.

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Colleen Witzenberg is our guest
today.

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And you, you, you know, clean
starting.

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With a bang.
She's she's an amazing creative

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force in, in our industry.
So, so I think it's brilliant

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that you're recognising Colleen
as as the first of our many

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leading ladies.
Yes, and I am hoping that

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there's going to be well
there'll be lots, lots more even

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in you know light switch alone.
I mean, I was, you know, you've

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got, there's loads of incredible
ladies out there that have got a

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story to tell.
And for me, it's not just about,

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you know, if you've got a high
position or, or anything like

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that.
It's where you're starting from

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your passion that you've got
within this industry and also to

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encourage others to get into the
industry.

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A lot about my conversation,
which is literally from, you

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know, 30 years ago, I wasn't
aware of this industry.

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So I know it's more it's more
widely available for, you know,

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to, to get into it.
But for us to talk about it and

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say, OK, well, actually I didn't
go to college, or maybe I did or

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I didn't.
But it's about, you know, really

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putting yourself in.
I mean, you're going to love the

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conversation with Colleen.
I mean, such an incredible story

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as to, you know, I mean, she
went into the environmental side

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of things studying and just just
just, you know, because she

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needed cash to support it.
She was pushing boxes, you know,

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to make the at least.
That is it.

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And it's been the hard work, but
that's for sure, yeah.

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Yes, and you know that's and you
know that doesn't that's not

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just about the ladies, that's
about the the gentleman.

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That's about everybody out
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There's people that have, we
have, I believe we when you join

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a tour, you become a family.
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are a family.
Of course we had the odd biker,

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but what what family doesn't?
Well, what?

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Family doesn't yeah.
And I think that's great about I

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think what's great about what
you're doing, Sarah, is you

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know, a, a, a friend of mine who
is a senior at Arizona State

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University told me statistic
relatively recently that that

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that may left me disappointed,
but also committed to change

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that, that their intake.
And I, and I know not everybody

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comes through through tertiary
education, comes through college

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to what we do, but I think this
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through our industry is, is he
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female in terms of intake into
their technical theater and

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design and production courses.
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graduation, it's about 7525 male
favoring with.

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So something's going wrong
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And I think that's also
happening in our industry in

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general.
We're, we're not doing as good

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enough of a job as we could, or
indeed we should to make people

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feel that everybody is welcomed.
And, and a lot of that is, is

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old habits.
And, and I'm as guilty of this

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as anybody, but I think we all
need to be mindful of our

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vocabulary and our actions and
also accountability.

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So I think if, if leading ladies
helps everybody and, and you

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know, I'm a, I'm an old white
guy.

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I'm so so I've got a lot of
learning and a lot of behavioral

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change to do.
But if we think about how we say

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things, what we say and our and
our actions, we can really

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change our industry for the
positive and, and make it really

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be the most inclusive, diverse,
multicultural, multi gender,

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multi faith, multi race industry
and, and really continue to be

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aspirational for people to want
to be a part of this industry.

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You know, I'm, I'm a father of
two daughters, both of whom work

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in production.
Both Haley and Allah work work

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in the production field.
And I see how hard they have to

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work, how much harder they have
to work and how much they have

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to overcome.
And, and I think that that fills

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me with two completely
contradictory emotions.

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The first emotion is how
incredibly proud I am not only

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of my kids, but of every female
that works in the in our

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industry because they are in a
somewhat Sisyphician way,

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pushing a rock up a up a hill,
but also makes me committed.

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And I know I speak to everybody
at lights, which when I say

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this, committed to making things
better.

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And that's why supporting
leading ladies and no pun

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intended, shining a light on
these amazing females in our

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industry is great.
But I can't wait for a day where

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we don't have to do that anymore
because it's natural and

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holistic and just everybody's
instinct to treat everybody the

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same.
Now, in order to get to that

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point of it being transparent
and natural, we have to push a

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little harder into that to kind
of like level up that that that

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seesaw, if you will.
So I think the work that you and

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Marcel are doing with leading
ladies is a brilliant way to

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move that forward and, and, and
we're we're so proud to be

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involved.
You really thank you.

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And I mean, look, one day when
we do balance that seesaw, we'll

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be doing a joint podcast, me and
Marcel with everybody.

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And it will just be.
It'll just be, yeah, yeah.

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Pretty awesome.
Right, right.

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But, and as far as so we've,
we've light switch, you know,

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what stage, you know, did you
start seeing the change with

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ladies, more ladies coming into
the industry?

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Because I mean, you've been in
it now for well over like 30

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years, you know, at what point,
you know, did you really see, I

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mean, now when I go back into
tours, I really see that there's

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so many more ladies, so many
more in, in various roles.

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And even for me, you know,
that's happened within the last,

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you know, really within the last
10 years, but, you know, before

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that, yeah.
Wendy I think, I think certainly

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the more traditional theatre
market has has has been there's

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been more female presence.
But in concert touring, I mean

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there, there, there's there's
been early trailblazers.

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Robbie Greenberg springs to mind
as a as a dear friend of mine

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and somebody that that was was
just did so much to to prove

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people wrong who kind of like
had male focused stereotypes.

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But I think it's, I think it's
really been the last decade that

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we've really seen the pendulum
start to swing.

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And frankly, we, we've seen such
an abundance of amazing female

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candidates and, and people that
we've added to the light switch

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family over the last 10 years,
and especially the last five

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years.
These, these, these amazing

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talents and, and one of the
things that that I enjoy most,

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and I know the rest of, of my,
my Co principles of light switch

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enjoy the most.
He's he's bringing all of these

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different life experiences and
all of these different creative

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abilities and all of these
different perspectives.

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You know, I, I think one of the
things that's most exciting is

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when somebody comes up with an
idea that is like, wow, I would

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never in a million years have
thought of that because I simply

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haven't had the life experiences
that lead to that creative

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process.
And I think the more as, as one

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of the owners of a creative
studio, the more we can make

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ourselves open to all of those
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creativity for power, life
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better our product is.
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very hard to not do this stuff
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I mean, we think it's right, but
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it's just frankly smart business
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faith, race, any of those
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leaving money on the table.
You just are, you know, we are a

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better company at Light Switch,
the more diverse and the more

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our industry.
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Haley's out as lighting director
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for me, and it's really
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different perspective, the, the,
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that tour is bringing to the
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creative, logistics, quality of
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It truly is remarkable.
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that we should all be leaning
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advantage from both a creative
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standpoint.
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quality of life and the living
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diversity of everybody being on
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If we can work together then it
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tour experience.
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actually been in contact with
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on the podcast soon, but I know
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I'm not too sure.
Another another few weeks.

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Ago, yeah.
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to go.
Well, John, I cannot thank you

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enough from Marcel and myself,
basically to light switch to

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you, to believe in us, to
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ladies.
And yeah, so truly, from the

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bottom of my heart, thank you.
And I look forward to, Yeah,

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basically meeting all the ladies
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The.
The ladies from the industry, if

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I've not reached out, I said
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out, please reach out to me and
let's let's make magic happen as

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they say.
So, John.

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Yeah.
And and I'm, I'm just going to,

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I'm going to, I'm going to thank
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Sarah, both you and myself for
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So, so I think it's us that
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And I just want to say to
everybody, especially the guys,

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tune into this and listen to
these incredible women that are

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blazing a trailer in our
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And, and I know that starting
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amazing guests you're going to
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learning a lot about the life
journey of these people and how

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we can all together make our
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And, and I would, I know that
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female presenting people in our
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watching Geezers of Gear.
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the women just as the women have
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we all kind of in doing that,
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numbers so far from the very
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they were up there with all of
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guests that we've had on geez of
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to see all the numbers with
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Look, look, we've got, we've got
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Numbers.
And he used to me, he was like,

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and I was like, yeah, you know.
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the time to throw in a Beyoncé
quote, you know, says the old

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white guy.
But you know who rule the world?

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Who runs?
Girls.

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Absolutely.
Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Sarah.
Take care.

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So it's been a month in between
my two interviews, my two chats.

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The first one you may remember
was with my wonderful friend

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Claire Heat.
I can't thank everybody enough

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for all the wonderful messages
about the podcast, the the

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wonderful comments.
It it really was overwhelming

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how everybody took it, which is
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My next guest is also a friend
of mine who I met during

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Coldplay.
So again, if I knew that the

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first person was going to be
Claire and the second was going

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to be this next lady coming up
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So I'm very lucky to have had
the support from 2 beautiful

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ladies coming on the podcast.
So in the next couple of weeks,

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I'm putting together a list of
lovely ladies that I would love

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to have on the podcast.
If for whatever reason I haven't

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reached out to you, please reach
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Please, please, please, please,
please, please and please

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contact me.
It's producer at

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geezersofgear.com.
And yeah, just touch base with

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me and we can try and schedule a
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I will be recording from Europe.
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world, we will make it happen.
I am more than happy to get up

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early or stay up late if it
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the podcast.
So now to introduce my second

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guest on Leading Ladies and I
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Again, we met on Coldplay.
Her name is Colleen Wittenberg

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and Colleen is a freelance
multicam director, media server

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programmer and operator.
Colleen has worked for some

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incredible artists such as
Coldplay, Aerosmith, Alaris,

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Morissette, U2, Lizzo, to name
but a few and is currently on

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tour with Hozier.
Eileen has not only had an

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incredible career so far in our
industry, in the music industry,

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but she's also had an amazing
career on the cruise liners and

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was the entertainment technical
manager, senior licene and

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special effects technician.
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about 6 years I believe.
Yep, 6667 years and then.

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To throw everything into the
midst we had obviously.

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So I would like to introduce.
Colleen Wittenberg is a

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freelance multicam director,
media server programmer, and

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operator.
Colleen has worked for some

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incredible artists such as
Coldplay, Aerosmith, Alanis

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Morissette, You 2, Lizzo to name
but a few and is currently on

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tour with Fozier.
Colleen has not only had an

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incredible career so far in our
industry but also started out in

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the cruise industry as the
entertainment technical manager,

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travelled the world.
I believe it was something like

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75 countries visited in that
space at that time, which is

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unbelievable.
And also during the pandemic,

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Colleen was one of the very,
very few people able to leave

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the United States and actually
went to work for Universal in

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China.
She was based in Beijing.

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It was meant to be a four to six
week job and it ended up being

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six months.
So she is an incredible human.

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She's strong.
She's passionate, loving and

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full of energy for life.
Please welcome Colleen, my

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second guest, my great friend to
the leading ladies podcast, part

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of Jesus of Gear.
Hello and welcome Colleen.

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Seriously.
So for everybody else, this

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we've just been chatting for
like, I don't know, 1020 minutes

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already because I've been
catching up.

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Colleen is a wonderful friend of
mine that we met again on

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Coldplay and really like this is
only my second podcast for

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leading ladies and I knew that
the second person was going to

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be you.
So welcome.

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I'm so honored to be here, I
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see your face.
Honestly, like, when was the

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last time?
So when when did you come?

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You came out to see us two years
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Yeah, it was 2022.
It was when I did that I was in

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Europe and we had eight days or
whatever off.

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I think that trip, well, the

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trip was memorable anyway
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stayed on the beach and that was
amazing and beautiful and so

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cool, such a cool experience.
But remember the fact that my

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flight didn't exist.
So for everybody here, Colleen

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came for the week and of course,
just Bernie and adventures in

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Crete.
We went around lots of lovely

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places.
We slept on the beach.

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We like, we did, we did
everything.

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And then the last day, or
actually the last two days,

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Colleen was like, OK, we've done
all the, you know, like the

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hippie, like let's sleep on the
beach now I want some luxury.

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So we stayed in, OK, it's not
luxury from what we, we always

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tour as know as five star
hotels, but here in where I

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live, this is one of the best
ones.

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So we stayed there for two
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It was absolutely wonderful.
And then in the morning,

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Colleen's messaged me, she's
like, I can't find my flight.

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Like it was meant to be in the
evening and we had loads of

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time.
We was going to go relax, we was

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going to go to the beach again.
And also she's like, no, no,

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Sarah, my, my flight is in a
like 2 hours.

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I said, you're an hour away from
the airport, you're never going

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to make it, she said.
You want to try.

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I've never seen anybody pack up
a bag so fast, grab a tacky

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shoot to the airport.
I was like, you're never going

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to make it, Like you're never,
ever going to make it.

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And just like I made it.
I was like, no way.

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But anyway, but that was that
was bad so soon.

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We did have to, we do have to
thank Minoli for that, your

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lovely, lovely spouse, because
he found the taxi driver that

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was going to drive fast money.
And we're like, we go fast.

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And, you know, yeah, we
understand as a.

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Tourist you just, you just do
the Greek stuff and you go fast.

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And he's like, go.
I literally go.

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It was, it's funny because I've
just kicked Manoli out of the

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house, so he's taking the dogs
and I was like, come on, ow, ow,

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ow.
I love it.

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He does send his love, he does.
Send it where?

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Are you now?
So tell me, where are you right

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now?
I know you're in a hotel.

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I am, I am in the lovely
Marriott Marina del Rey and we

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are starting a three day, three
show.

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We get a break a day off in
between, but we have three shows

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at the forum starting tomorrow,
so it's everybody's favorite.

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Oh, yeah.
So everyone, guys, like it's my

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morning.
It's like 9:30 in the morning

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here and it's now 11:30 at night
for Colleen.

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Now.
I did phone Colleen and I was

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like Colleen, like, are you
crazy?

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Like you've got Lodi tomorrow
morning.

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She's like, no, I'm a bat.
Like I this is perfect time for

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me.
I was like, OK.

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You know your body.
Clock and tour with.

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I am currently working for
Hozier, he's a love and he's to

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work for and it's been a lovely
camp to work for and they they

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treat us very well and it's been
coming to an end of quite a long

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leg.
We have a 10 week leg and so

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this is the start of week 8 and
so you know you're feeling it at

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the end of a tour, you're like
ready to go home and you're just

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like fright.
So we full weeks left and

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actually two extra days, but the
last two are festivals so.

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But even still, 8 weeks and
you're still looking fresh.

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Shower so.
Yeah, you just literally gone

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from the beach because you're
like, yeah, I've got sand all

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over me, let me have a quick
shower.

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It was a it was an exceptionally
windy day and for on the

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boardwalk between Santa Monica
and Marina del Rey, yeah, we

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walked on it and it's just
getting pelted, but you know,

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with wind all the way back.
And I think when you had

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messaged me, I had just walked
back into the hotel and a hair

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was up basically in the messy
bun that I keep on top of my

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head.
And as I took it down, it was

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like just a small sand pile.
And I was like, yeah, I need I

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need a shower before we do this.
So have you?

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Come in.
Is this is it a travel day?

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Have you arrived here today or
have you got is like a full day

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off?
Like when did you arrive?

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We arrived actually yesterday.
We were lucky.

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We came in from San Diego, so it
was only 2 1/2 hours to get us

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here.
So we've had all of yesterday

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and all of today basically to
ourselves.

445
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,800
And then we have two show days.
So if this the one about this

446
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,200
leg is it's been thankfully, and
this is probably one of the only

447
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,560
tours post pandemic that I've
been on that has built in days

448
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:41,360
off mainly for him.
He the songs he sings are very

449
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,320
vocally heavy or vocally
strenuous.

450
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,960
I don't, I'm not a sound person,
so I'm not really sure how, but

451
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:55,800
he basically needs the rest.
So we can't go too hard because

452
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,840
it's really difficult for him to
keep up with that kind of stuff.

453
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,840
Like he has to be kind to
himself.

454
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,480
So been kind of on this kick now
where about every single week we

455
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,600
have, we only do four shows in a
week and we have a travel day

456
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,640
and a day off together, which
has been very, very helpful in

457
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,680
keeping momentum going, keeping,
you know, spirits high, keeping

458
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,960
people from getting burnt out,
you know, those kind of things.

459
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:29,240
But that's amazing because I was
telling myself in like a little

460
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,080
pre interview, not interview an
intro last episode how someone

461
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280
had approached me like to
possibly do a tour.

462
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,920
But I looked at the dates and I
was like, no way.

463
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Like literally it was four days
straight load in, load out every

464
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,360
single day, different venue
arenas.

465
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,800
Then it was a travel day, but
the travel day was one of the

466
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920
longest journeys.
So you're just on a bus.

467
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Then you do another four days
train, but that was for I think

468
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160
5 weeks.
And I thought that's that.

469
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Sorry, that really doesn't
interest me.

470
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,840
That's all like really doesn't
like it's that's just burnout.

471
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Look at the schedule.
That's but I don't for the

472
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,960
artist, for the crew, for
everything.

473
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,120
And you know, like you said, OK,
it is for Hozier, but at the

474
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,200
same time, you know, it's for
the crew as well, because you

475
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,080
after 8 weeks, you you will,
you'll just burn out from that.

476
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:32,200
And now you've had yesterday
travel day, you can sleep.

477
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,320
You could have gone out last
night to relax every weed, which

478
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,400
I'm sure you did.
I'm very well behaved, Sarah.

479
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,080
I don't know where you'd come up
with that idea.

480
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,800
I don't think so, but anyway, I
don't want to know.

481
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,640
So now you're you're.
Tell me about your role now.

482
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Please, I said so I'm your
director.

483
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,120
This is the first he's carrying
video full video package for a

484
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,320
tour.
So it's been but yeah, no I for

485
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,840
one time I am actually just a
video director and not like 3

486
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,360
different things.
So it's been nice.

487
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,360
There is no, you know, what
happened, like obviously, when

488
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,640
did you find out about this tour
and what was your process to get

489
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,040
it to where it is now?
So I the reason I'm here is from

490
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,520
a dear friend of mine, Stephen
Douglas and Stephen Douglas and

491
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:29,240
I worked together on Aerosmith.
Aerosmith was a very interesting

492
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360
tour and that was put a pre
pandemic.

493
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,880
Any but for Aerosmith probably
would agree with me that it is

494
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,320
generally a it's a character
building kind of tour.

495
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:53,440
You can't swear on this show.
That's Steven and I had worked

496
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,360
together on Aerosmith and it
was, that was definitely one of

497
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,440
those tours where I had very
many hats to wear and many, it

498
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,440
was the first ready.
So it was putting them into the

499
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,400
Park Theater in Vegas.
And so we, we were able to, we

500
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,440
were able to do it.
It opened, it went well that I'd

501
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,280
met a great group of people on
there.

502
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,560
You know, Steven was one of
them.

503
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:26,640
And Steven rang me up last last
spring, yes, last spring, and

504
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,400
was like, hey, he was asking
about my fall and he was saying,

505
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,920
you know, we're going to add
video for Hozier's new tour.

506
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,000
I would really like you to come
out and be the director.

507
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,560
I'm going to introduce you to
Dutchess Eardale, which is Steve

508
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,960
Eardale's wife.
And so of that type of legacy,

509
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,120
that type of group of
individuals, she's basically the

510
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,080
tour director and like she's in
charge of hiring process.

511
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,360
Hopefully this will work out.
And basically Steve put me,

512
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Steven put me in touch with, in
touch with Dutch and kind of the

513
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,560
rest is history.
We had a conversation, she

514
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,840
basically explained kind of the
same deal that this was the

515
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,440
first time that they were doing
video and this they want to keep

516
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,760
a very clean element, kind of
gave me a, an idea of what the

517
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,760
design looked at.
But it had it at that point been

518
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,920
confirmed, confirmed.
And so it was, we kind of

519
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,960
started talking about that at
the end of May.

520
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,000
And but I wasn't locked into
this for a little bit while

521
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,880
later.
There was some negotiations and

522
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,320
things that went into play.
But yeah, but when it did, it

523
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720
was fine.
And I've been here for now over

524
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,720
a year.
My, I think my anniversary with

525
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,880
this group is September 2nd.
So we've been kind of trucking.

526
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,000
We've been trucking along.
Yeah, but congratulations and

527
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,640
you know like the pre planning
for everything, you know.

528
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Tell me a little bit more about
that.

529
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,960
So you know what goes into the
tour before you start the tour.

530
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,840
Particular I needed asking she
was asking me what I'm what I

531
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000
was looking for in terms of
cameras and I basically said I

532
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200
kind of needed to see a plot to
kind of get an idea of where I

533
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,120
wanted to put things and what
are blind spots as well as how

534
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,120
things are laid out all of that
sort of thing.

535
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,920
So it took a bit to get that we
needed artist approval.

536
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Once the artist approved it,
then I can actually start to

537
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,640
look at it listening to his
music.

538
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,280
I knew that I didn't want this
to be to have actual handhelds.

539
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,040
This is not a it's not a typical
rock show.

540
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,560
It's not, it's not a pop show.
It's not, you know, anything

541
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:53,600
like that there there was a lot
more melodic moments that I felt

542
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,800
could use more track, track and
Dolly style, much more flowing

543
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,160
motion, much more tracking shots
then say either whip pans or

544
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,080
stuff of that nature.
And so I also knew with them

545
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,760
getting used to having video and
having a video budget that they

546
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,320
weren't really going to go for,
say all of the toys that every

547
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,920
director likes to play with.
So I basically talked them.

548
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,760
I set up a few different ideas
for camera plots and I sent them

549
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,679
to him and I said, you know,
here's an option like this,

550
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,880
here's an option like this, and
here's an option like this.

551
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,480
And we talked, we talked it all
through.

552
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:41,360
I had basically, I had set up,
instead of proper tracking Dolly

553
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,719
cameras, I had set up spider
dollies and I felt this was

554
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,360
going to be basically the best
thing for us when looking at the

555
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,840
routing.
He doesn't do one set or one

556
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,640
style of.
Sorry, this is my train of

557
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,960
thought.
He doesn't do one set of of

558
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560
venues.
So like this run in itself.

559
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,360
We've had amphitheaters, we've
had truck stages, we've had

560
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,840
festivals, we've had arenas,
we've had, you know, random

561
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,360
types of buildings.
And so we have to be able to be

562
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,960
adaptable.
And so that was part of that

563
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,200
went into this.
Like when we started last year,

564
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,040
it was the same thing.
We had arenas, we had

565
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,880
amphitheaters.
We also had like these clubs, so

566
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,880
I didn't really know how it was
all going to play.

567
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Yeah, we played.
What is?

568
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,400
My face was just gonna.
Like, yeah, yeah, try making a

569
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,880
set that would fit in an arena
and then that would also fit

570
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,600
inside a like, like think
nightclub OO style.

571
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,680
I mean, yeah, it's you got to
adapt and it's something that

572
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,560
could adapt to it.
And so we definitely, we settled

573
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,560
on valleys and it really has
been quite helpful because it's

574
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,880
created some really great
looking shots for the show.

575
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,360
And it works very well when you
have really good cameramen like

576
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,720
I thankfully do, they can
basically use them to the

577
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,200
advantage to help really play up
the music.

578
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,120
So, but also because of the way
that they are, they're basically

579
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,920
just rubber tubing when you are
in venues where you know, you

580
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,080
got to go around something or
it's curved or it's, it's been

581
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,960
really beneficial for us to have
that type of flexibility.

582
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,640
So it was, it was functioning
with what we were basically like

583
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,280
pre planning on what we are
going to have to do.

584
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,240
It was the same thing is I've
got now I've got 6 robocams.

585
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,880
We didn't necessarily start with
six, we originally started with

586
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,760
four and a few lipsticks.
But I, the vendor for, for this

587
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,760
tour is Unipix and out of the UK
and they're great and they've

588
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,840
been really sweet about getting
me absolutely anything I like or

589
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,200
want.
And so we got 2 little Panasonic

590
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,640
100's for this this year's run
and they've been quite helpful

591
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,800
and we basically have them on a
solid pole.

592
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,960
And so it's like, it's even
things of planning just so you

593
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,400
know, we're going to be in
venues of amphitheaters that

594
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,680
have solid concrete and then
we're in arenas that are on

595
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,160
rolling stages.
So we need this length of pole

596
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,840
and this length of pole and
remembering that like, oh, we

597
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,920
need to run cables this way.
And yeah, oh, yeah, it's, yes.

598
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040
And then you turn the Subs on
and everything rattles and

599
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,640
you're like, great.
Now we need to go get rubber

600
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080
matting.
It's, it's been, it's, it's

601
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,720
trial.
It's a lot of trial and error,

602
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,640
kind of a fun trial and error
because sometimes, you know, you

603
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,120
get to play mad scientist and I
like, how do we fix this

604
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,840
problem?
I mean, obviously right now it's

605
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,880
a bit hard for you if any of if
any of your crew listen, but

606
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,840
you, I take it you've got a
good.

607
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,320
Crew I do, I do I they're very
sweet they're.

608
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,320
Just in case they're here,
you're like, no, actually I

609
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,360
don't like this one.
I'm.

610
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Not going to talk about that
right now.

611
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,600
Yeah, I know so.
That was a bit of a stupid

612
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,520
question because of course
you're going to say they're all

613
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,280
brilliant.
Just.

614
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,040
One that I seriously would just
like, have sent back in April.

615
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,480
But apparently I'm stuck with
it.

616
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,400
No, I'm kidding 100%.
But that's see, even that having

617
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,200
a good crew behind you is
amazing, not only for your team,

618
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,520
but you know, also, like you
said, you know, you've got a

619
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,360
really nice crew because they're
your family.

620
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
You know, they're your family
when you're on tour.

621
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,440
In fact, something Marcel was
asking me was, you know, how do

622
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,520
you like, how do how, how do we
as ladies cope with living on

623
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,720
buses?
Like is there a separate bus for

624
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,120
the lady?
I was like, no, like we all just

625
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,560
jump on together.
And he was quite shocked because

626
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,720
he's never toured before.
So he doesn't, you know, he's

627
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,560
been on a tour bus but never
lived on a tour bus.

628
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,720
And I was like, there's just
respects on a tour bus and like,

629
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,880
that's it, isn't it?
I believe.

630
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,440
Yeah, it's, you know.
Like living with 10 of your

631
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,000
brothers that you're just like,
can somebody please pick up your

632
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,480
shoes?
Yeah.

633
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:36,160
You know it's.
I mean, there go, darling.

634
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,360
I was going to say it's it's the
typical, you know, you love each

635
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,200
other and but you know, you're
family.

636
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,320
So you needle each other and you
help you yell at each other and

637
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,360
there's all of this stuff.
But there is, there's there is a

638
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,760
good amount of respect we.
No, I mean not everybody.

639
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,120
I mean, I've been on so
obviously various buses in my

640
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,360
short career of touring.
There's always positions on the

641
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,360
bus that I want to get, which is
right at the back at the bottom.

642
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440
So I'm in that, you know, the
private cabin bit, not the cabin

643
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,760
like the there's basically for
those that don't know, you know,

644
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,000
you've sort of got the stairs
and generally there's a left

645
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,840
side and then there's a right
side that leads, leads to the,

646
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,360
what do you call it the, the
relaxing room at the top.

647
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,320
Like, and for me, I never like
going to that side because

648
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,600
people are always walking up and
down, you know, and there are

649
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,880
sometimes parties on the bus.
So I always like to go right to

650
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,200
the back where I know that
that's where everybody wants to

651
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,040
sleep.
So I always make sure I'm there.

652
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,400
I've been on the buses when
there's been parties.

653
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,600
I've been part of the parties on
the bus, but.

654
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,720
Yeah, really.
You know, only a few, you know,

655
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,720
and of course only on a day off
on a roady Friday.

656
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,400
That's it.
But I found that everybody has

657
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,200
been respectful, but not just
respectful because I'm a lady

658
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,280
or, you know, or there's girls
on the bus, just in general.

659
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,480
There's rules to the buses.
You know, you, you know, like

660
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,280
you said, pick up your shoes,
tidy your shit up, you know, be

661
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,640
quiet, be considerate to
everybody that is asleep.

662
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,280
Certainly if your curtains are
closed, don't come in, you know,

663
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,840
don't like.
There's, there's, there's.

664
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,600
Seriously, there's rules to
these buses.

665
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,760
There is.
Yeah, and that for me, I mean,

666
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,440
there's always one dedicated
person to make sure everyone's

667
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,080
on the bus.
But for me, I love that

668
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,760
lifestyle and it's not for
everybody.

669
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,480
You know, it's not for everybody
to have a shower in the venue.

670
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,440
I mean, some of the venues where
you have a shower at the end of

671
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,160
the night, you know, they are
disgusting.

672
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,960
Yeah, they you don't you don't
necessarily feel clean cleaned

673
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,400
when you're showering in the
venue.

674
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,000
So, you know, and depending on
yeah.

675
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,120
So no, it's.
My, I mean, my biggest thing as

676
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,920
well was obviously if you was
rolling into another loading

677
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,920
you, you go straight out,
straight out, straight into,

678
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,160
straight into work.
Now I'm a person, I need a

679
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,800
shower every morning.
Like really, I need a shower

680
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,360
every morning.
But you just have to switch off

681
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,160
and you're like, OK, you're
rolling in.

682
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,600
You'll be having a shower as
soon as everything's set up and

683
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,080
done, you can have your shower,
but you know, you, you just got

684
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,080
to roll in, do it and, and
that's it.

685
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,840
But what I really want to ask
you is, so where did you start?

686
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,160
How did you start?
I.

687
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Well, actually let's go.
Well, shall I go back to it, the

688
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,200
environmental side of things
that you studied?

689
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,360
So.
How did you?

690
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,200
So we've got a lot here.
Come on.

691
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,880
I know, I know.
So basically was how I really

692
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,480
started, how I got even
interested in any of this was

693
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:03,160
predating my environmental.
It was when I was still in

694
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640
college.
I was, it was my sophomore year

695
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:13,160
in university and I, I actually,
I was in the theater building

696
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,000
and I had him.
I have a minor in theater.

697
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,640
You know, I wanted to be a part
of it.

698
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,160
I just didn't.
I didn't think that that that I

699
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,200
didn't think that this be like a
very financially stable career.

700
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:38,520
How funny.
But like things that I was very

701
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,520
vividly I was they had this big
announcement board and it had

702
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,440
call sheets and it had help
wanted things and it had all

703
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,000
kinds of stuff for the theater
and the theater community.

704
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,640
And one of the elder classmen,
her name was Laura Taylor.

705
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,800
She walked up to me and I can't
even tell you what I was staring

706
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,280
at at the point.
And she goes, hey, are you

707
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,600
available tonight?
Do you want to make 1075 an hour

708
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,400
pushing boxes?
And as a broke college kid who

709
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,120
was paying, I looked at it was
the most amount per hour I had

710
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,280
heard like since I had gotten
down to because I went to school

711
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,480
at Bradley University in Peoria,
IL.

712
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,520
So anybody that has played
Peoria, they they know exactly

713
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,000
what I'm talking about.
It is not a rich community.

714
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,120
It's in Caterpillar has a big
giant warehouse in.

715
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,040
OK, so we had a little glitch.
We believe that it was the hotel

716
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,920
telling Colleen she's been
talking for too long and it was

717
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,280
midnight and, you know, just cut
everything off and restarted.

718
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,800
So we're going to start again.
We left off with that.

719
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,240
You'd been offered the best
money to push boxes basically.

720
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,520
What it was was it was the
loadout at the theater at the

721
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,640
Peoria Civic Center for Phantom
of the Opera.

722
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,960
And it was.
Yeah.

723
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,120
And so it was one of those
things.

724
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,880
It was kind of a serendipitous
ask because working for the

725
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,480
local as a college student was
was a great way to make money.

726
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,760
You load in if you have a good
class schedule, which I did,

727
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,160
because at that point I was
already starting to go into

728
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:26,200
labs, basically do a load in.
So if my call would be at 7:00

729
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,800
or 8:00 in the morning, I'd work
for four hours because it's a

730
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,760
four hour minimum, go to class,
go to lab.

731
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,120
If I was on show call, I'd be
done about right about the time

732
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,520
I had to report back for show
call.

733
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,720
And then I'm back at 10:00 at
night for a loadout, which we've

734
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,320
already established.
I'm a human bat.

735
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,560
So it was perfectly fine for me
to work until 2:00 in the

736
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,920
morning, 3:00 in the morning,
and then.

737
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,680
Yeah.
You know, and so that's how

738
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,440
that's really actually how I got
started.

739
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,320
I joined the union I was part of
I Otzi.

740
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,800
I once I was in there, I
realized that.

741
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,560
I remember, I remember looking
at the ground riggers and

742
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,400
basically being like, how much
does that guy get paid, you

743
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,800
know?
And they're like, does he make

744
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,040
more money?
And they're like, yeah.

745
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,120
And I was like, I wanna learn to
do that, you know?

746
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,600
So they're like, oh, well, that,
you know, really let women be.

747
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,440
I was like, no, no, I want to
learn to do that.

748
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,160
And they're like, you have to
show up.

749
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,600
What did they, they told me I
had to show up to learn.

750
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,040
If I wanted to be a rigger, I
had to show up at 4:00 in the

751
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,040
morning to hang goal posts and I
was like, I'm in college.

752
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,640
Do you really seriously think
4:00 in the morning scares me?

753
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,040
You showed up at 4:00 in the
morning, you know, learning how

754
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,240
to tie bowling nuts and, you
know, re write things out on the

755
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,600
floor and all of this.
And so it just kind of continue.

756
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,640
Awesome.
Like literally from 1, the same

757
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,080
as when I had because you
remember Claire.

758
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,800
I had Claire exactly the same
thing.

759
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,600
She kept on looking.
Well, what do they do?

760
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,920
I want to learn how to do that,
you know, and same for you.

761
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,760
So pushing boxes, then becoming
a rigger and then you're then,

762
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,680
then what did you look at?
Oh, then I wanted to be an

763
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,600
upbringer because I found out
how much money they made.

764
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,800
And I remember saying, you know,
I'm like, I want to go up there.

765
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,400
And they were like, we're not
letting you go up there.

766
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,080
And there was a gentleman on the
upbringing and he was even

767
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,040
tinier than me at the tender age
of 1920.

768
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,960
And he looked at me and he says,
I'll take you up there.

769
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,600
I'll teach you how to pull on
your weight.

770
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,880
He's like, cuz you're never
going to have the upper body

771
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,080
that these guys have is.
And he was basically, we were,

772
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,120
we were very similar.
He's like, I'll teach you how to

773
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,080
do this.
And he did not up rig very long.

774
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,480
And I would not up rig on the
much larger shoes.

775
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,160
But yes, no, they did that.
For a few times, but it was it

776
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,720
was a lot of fun.
I find that because again, given

777
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,240
the opportunity from this
gentleman that was a similar

778
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,640
size to you, I'll teach you, you
know, And I mean, how long ago

779
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,080
was this?
How many years ago was this?

780
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:21,360
2000 I graduated from College in
2005, so OK, that was probably

781
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,600
O3O4.
So, so really, you know, one of

782
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,720
the not one of the first ladies,
but you know, like just as it's

783
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,800
coming in ladies, you know,
rigging and getting into things

784
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,600
and being told no, you can't do
that.

785
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,920
But actually you can do that,
yeah.

786
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,880
It was, you know, it was, I'm
trying to remember of all of the

787
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,840
road crews that came through,
all of the Concert Rd. crews

788
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,200
that came through, you know, the
Theater Rd. cruise that came

789
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,000
through.
It was much more diverse and it

790
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,480
was much more, lot more women
and women that were just not in

791
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,480
say either the production
hallway or in wardrobe or

792
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,520
anything like that.
You saw a lot of electricians

793
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,360
that were women.
You saw sound women, you saw

794
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,200
that kind of thing.
But back then in the concert

795
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,880
touring, I want to say I saw
very, very few women on the road

796
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,160
for concerts.
There was, there was this badass

797
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,200
rigor chick that came through
that I couldn't remember.

798
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,600
I can't remember to save my
life.

799
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,520
And I want to say maybe in the
entire the, you know, 3 1/2 four

800
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:37,120
years that I was at the, at the
union there, because I came back

801
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,720
after I graduated, I come down
for bigger calls.

802
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,600
So Peoria is a 2 hour drive from
Chicago.

803
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,640
And I basically after I
graduated, I moved back to

804
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,440
Chicago and I wanted to take the
summer off before looking for my

805
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,720
big full time job that I was
supposed to get after college

806
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,960
and down for the big summer
gigs.

807
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:03,480
Maybe after her I possibly three
at the most for.

808
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,760
So please tell everyone what you
actually studied.

809
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,880
So this is the.
Two bachelor's degrees, one's

810
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,440
one in biology and a second one
in psychology.

811
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,880
My main focus it was in
conservation science was labile

812
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,880
carbon pools for the
environment.

813
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,880
The amount of carbon that is
still sitting within our soils

814
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,520
and how it is affected, how it
is released into the atmosphere.

815
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:33,600
I mean, you couldn't get, you
know, more chalk and cheese.

816
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,560
You like the whole scenario,
like what you studied what

817
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,240
you've got your bachelor's in to
then what you where you are now.

818
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,840
And yeah, I mean, really, you
couldn't get, you know.

819
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,360
Farther apart.
Makes yeah from a far apart, but

820
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:55,320
like, you know at this point
what made you decide to

821
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,320
basically yeah, go a completely
different route.

822
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,720
What?
What weight was it?

823
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:07,560
Yeah, it's.
So my after college, the job I

824
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:15,360
ended up landing in taken on as
I was taken on with this

825
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,600
engineering firm and I was taken
on as a contractor to start kind

826
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,960
of one of these.
We'll, we'll see how this works

827
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,160
out.
And then they hired me on.

828
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,520
But as soon as they hired me on,
they then turned around and they

829
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,280
ferreted me out to Department of
Environment and I spent most of

830
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,520
my time what are called TPR
reports and their Type 1, Type 2

831
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,800
environmental report.
So anytime that you want to

832
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,880
build in a building in a major
city.

833
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,600
And actually, I'm not really
sure.

834
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,440
I can't really count for rural
areas.

835
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,560
I think they have a completely
different set of rules.

836
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,760
And this obviously at this point
is 20 years ago.

837
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,360
So I mean, it's everything is
kind of changed.

838
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,600
And then when the US decided to
disband a whole lot of the

839
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,800
environmental stuff, it was
really sad for me to see that,

840
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,320
but it's basically I had to do
these land surveys and you know

841
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,960
what you want to you want to
build something it within this

842
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,480
type of area, you know, was it
wetland?

843
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,360
Was it floodplain?
Was it a historic site?

844
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,720
Are there underground storage
tanks?

845
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,120
Are there above ground storage
tanks?

846
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,680
Is it historical?
Is it of scientific interest?

847
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,720
Is it of historical interest?
Is it you know, and so it's like

848
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,720
it was going through all types
of different stuff.

849
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,120
And while I actually actually
did really enjoy the people I

850
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,400
worked with and the world that I
worked in, it was not fulfilling

851
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,520
in any way, shape and or form.
And I had this little taupe

852
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,200
cubicle that I sat in and I had
all these beautiful photos of

853
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,640
all of these places that I
wanted to go to slash save,

854
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,920
slash help, you know?
It's not going to happen in

855
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,280
little cubicle.
It wasn't going to happen in

856
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,840
that little cubicle.
No, I wasn't.

857
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,640
I was, I was stuck there
basically an ex-boyfriend for an

858
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,880
anniversary.
Took Vienna Cruz the first time,

859
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,320
you know, so very first time
ever being on cruise and that

860
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,680
kind of stuff.
And he I wanted to go to the

861
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,120
theater and he wanted to go
somewhere else.

862
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,360
I was like, well, I'm going to
go to theater.

863
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,760
I'm going to see the show.
And so left my own devices.

864
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,360
I went to the show and in the
middle of the show, I realized

865
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,720
that they were, there were
people running spotlights in the

866
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,800
show.
Well, I used to run a spotlight

867
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,440
for the Peoria Riverbend.
I was like, oh, that's

868
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,320
interesting.
And then after the show, I kind

869
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,760
of took a walk around.
This is a Royal Caribbean ship

870
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:45,000
and they had these big glass
doors by the tech booth where

871
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,640
they kept all of it.
And they had a Whole Hog 2.

872
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,960
That's how old this is, a Whole
Hog 2 sitting in there.

873
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,720
And I thought, that's funny.
I know how to run a whole hog

874
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,680
too.
And when I got home from that

875
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,800
trip, I'd actually spoken to a
friend of mine who was going to

876
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,240
Columbia University.
He wanted to be a sound

877
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,080
engineer.
So he this is actually he, he

878
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,480
was basically talking to me
about it and he was saying he's

879
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,200
trying to get a job on a cruise
ship as a sound guy.

880
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,280
And I was like, you can do that.
I go that wait time.

881
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,920
What do you mean?
Hang out.

882
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,280
What do you mean that you know,
people that I saw that show,

883
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,880
there was people doing that.
I need to know, you know,

884
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,960
because I cargo, it's a
landlocked city.

885
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,200
There's not a lot of cruise
ships that come in and out.

886
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,000
So I'm like, OK, I think let's
see.

887
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,440
That was like July.
Yeah, that was July.

888
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:53,040
And basically I want to say I
lasted until mid-september.

889
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,440
And you know, by this point my
relationship had fallen apart

890
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,320
with that guy.
And I was, I was still doing

891
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,600
production work on the weekends.
I didn't want to give it up.

892
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,040
I liked doing it.
I would work for the Goodman in

893
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Chicago.
I would work for this company

894
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,040
called Center Stage Productions
out of South Holland in

895
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,120
Illinois.
And so I was still keeping up my

896
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:22,720
production chops isn't my full
time gig, but I just, I don't

897
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,480
know, on a whim one day when I
was frustrated and I didn't

898
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,600
wanna do it, I pulled up these
cruise ship companies and I

899
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,120
applied to that to be part of
their entertainment staff.

900
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,560
And then I went and sailed the
ocean for six years.

901
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,000
There's a funny thing that's
years ago.

902
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,360
That's something that I always
wanted to do was basically

903
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,040
travel around the world on a
cruise liner.

904
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,240
Like that's that, that was what
I wanted to do.

905
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,080
I didn't know what I was going
to do, but well, actually, I

906
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,960
believed I was actually going to
be the entertainer.

907
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,760
That's because I, I, you know, I
wanted to be the one on the

908
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,720
stage.
But.

909
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,720
Yeah, seriously, literally thank
you ex-boyfriend for taking you

910
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:04,680
on a cruise.
Thank you for seeing the Hawk

911
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,600
too and say, well, actually I
can do that.

912
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,200
When you first arrived on like
the cruise ship to work, what,

913
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,000
what, what, what position did
you have there and how long did

914
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,520
it take you until you was
running your own team and stuff?

915
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,240
Oh wow.
Took till I got so I worked for

916
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,400
Carnival Cruise Lines for about
a year and a half and then I

917
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,120
switched over to no for about
two.

918
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,560
About 2 1/2 years include well
part of that I had a broken hand

919
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,120
so I was on a hiatus, but I
worked for Carnival Cruise Lines

920
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,720
for a little bit and then I went
over to Holland America.

921
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,280
So the call things.
They use different terminology

922
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,000
for the exact same thing.
I was hired for the lighting and

923
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000
special effects on a cruise
ship.

924
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,000
So I ran the lighting console as
well as I would blow up the

925
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,720
gerbs and all of the different
like effects they had because

926
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,680
this is when we still did pyro
on moving vessels.

927
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,680
No, not so much.
Yeah.

928
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,720
Not so, no, No.
We've had a few incidents that

929
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:05,960
they've had to change.
Yeah, I don't.

930
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,360
Really like that anymore.
Yeah, but I did my first

931
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,520
contract, lighting and special
effects technician, and then my

932
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,840
second contract when my senior
technician left, I star and

933
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,440
that's a small technical team.
It was only basically three of

934
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,760
us, so basically just one person
had to be deemed the adult kind

935
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,200
of thing.
Yeah, that was you.

936
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,120
I went to they called it instead
of senior technician, they

937
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,920
called it entertainment
technical manager and I

938
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,000
basically took that over they
pretty quickly.

939
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,880
I wanna say they well, they had,
they had different classes of

940
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,080
ships, had different, had
different titles.

941
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,480
And so when I first arrived, I
arrived on a smaller ship and I

942
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,760
was, I was basically that.
And then I was moved to a

943
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,280
different ship because they
needed somebody who could run a

944
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:04,000
grand MA to go out there and
there I wasn't because we had a

945
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,200
stage manager and they are
considered the technical

946
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,040
manager, the ETM.
But when I would, I would be on

947
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,840
the smaller ships.
I was the ETM, of which it was

948
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,920
Holland was great.
Holland was.

949
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,280
I got to see all of the world
with Holland.

950
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,880
And I mean, when I left the, I
basically spent most of my

951
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,080
entire 20s on ships.
I have seen 86 countries solely

952
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,040
from sailing around on a cruise
ship.

953
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,120
Yeah.
And you're talking about like

954
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,160
weird places in the world that
it's very, very difficult to

955
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:44,000
reach.
But that's just, you know, if

956
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,000
you look at your life and
everything you've done so far,

957
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,560
you know, so far up to now, even
in for your 20s, you know, going

958
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,400
visiting all those countries,
you was paid to travel the

959
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,680
world.
That's what I used to say.

960
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Like I want to be paid to travel
the world.

961
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:05,200
And like, really, that is just,
yeah, it's just so, so cool.

962
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Like, you know, you get to
produce and direct, like,

963
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,080
amazing things on cruise liners.
I mean, I'm sure now they're

964
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,040
just totally elaborate now.
I've actually never been on a

965
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,080
cruise liner.
I always said it was something

966
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,200
I'd do when I'm old, but now I'm
old, maybe I'll go.

967
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,240
Oh, you're not old?
Got so much time.

968
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,200
I'm not there yet, same as I
always said I'd go to.

969
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,280
I don't know why.
There's two things.

970
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,960
Cruise liners.
I always said I'd go on when I'm

971
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,960
older, let's say older, and go
to Egypt, so somewhere.

972
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,560
I just always thought that I
would always go when I'm old.

973
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,600
OK, I've never heard of Egypt.
I don't know why.

974
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,680
I really don't know why, but
it's just something I had in my

975
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,560
head.
So when you obviously travel in

976
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,400
the world you had, you didn't
look back at beings in your

977
00:59:53,400 --> 01:00:00,200
little grey cubicle and
obviously, you know.

978
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,600
Completely different change of
lifestyle for me.

979
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,200
I feel a better lifestyle.
At what point did you start

980
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,480
thinking you want to come to
land?

981
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,760
Basically, you know you want to
leave the cruise liners.

982
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,640
Where did that opportunity to
come to start the touring world?

983
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:30,040
Again, it's, it's strange how
things kind of just, you know,

984
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,840
it's, it's funny, this industry
is, is such a strange one to, to

985
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,800
be a part of.
And it's kind of one of those, I

986
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,840
remember a conversation a few
years back, pre pandemic, we

987
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,400
were sitting in the kind of
sitting in the lobby bar and one

988
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,520
of the younger kids had asked,
you know, how did you choose

989
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,000
this industry?
Me, it was the of the lighting

990
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,680
crew chief at the time.
He said, oh, didn't choose it,

991
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:08,200
it chose me.
But like it really for a lot of

992
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,680
us, I think that that's what
happens is it does just kind of

993
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,120
choose you, it holds on to you.
And so it's like you get these

994
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,560
weird opportunities that come
your way.

995
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,760
I just have to go with it.
And So what happened was with me

996
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,640
a year before I left ships, I,
there was a sound tech that came

997
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:31,400
on to do a contract.
And he one day turned around and

998
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,600
looked at me.
Because the way that the this

999
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,760
theater was set up is there's a
lighting desk and then there was

1000
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,880
the sound desk was in front.
And so I was actually in kind of

1001
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,120
like a, an actual booth.
I could close the windows and

1002
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,280
not be a part of the audience
and that sort of thing.

1003
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,560
And he was in the audience.
He was in a sectioned out area

1004
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,680
in the audience.
And at the end of the show, he

1005
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,400
turned around and he looked at
me and he goes, you know, you

1006
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,920
don't have to stay on ships.
You're, you would do great on

1007
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,160
land.
And I said, right, I have

1008
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,880
absolutely no idea how to even
start on land, you know, And he

1009
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,680
he's like, right, well, give me
a call when you're on land.

1010
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,280
And I said OK.
That was it.

1011
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:20,680
That was, that was like two more
contracts.

1012
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,600
I did two more contracts after
that and when I got off ships, I

1013
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,520
think I got I got off ships in
May and I wanted some time off.

1014
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,240
I took that time off and then I
went back in between most of my

1015
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,040
contracts.
I had worked for a company

1016
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,040
called Freeman that did mainly
corporate stuff and I would work

1017
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,360
for them in their warehouse.
And so I'd gone back to Freeman

1018
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,280
and I was basically picking up
just days and shifts and stuff

1019
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,760
like that.
And they were super awesome

1020
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,080
about working with the fact
like, oh, I'm home and I could

1021
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,440
be extra labor and then, you
know, I'd be gone.

1022
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,640
And then so it was, it was it
was a, it's a very good Segway

1023
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,640
job, you know, And I remember
texting him when I was on my way

1024
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,280
out for lunch and I was like,
hey, I'm back on land.

1025
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,040
You said to text you when I'm on
land.

1026
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,480
And I'm ready for, you know, a
real, what did he call it to

1027
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,360
work for a real company or
something like that, you know,

1028
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,280
that kind of thing.
Yeah.

1029
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,560
Before I'd finished lunch, he
basically said, can you come?

1030
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,480
He was where are you?
And I'm like Chicago.

1031
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,800
And he's like, can you come to
Springfield this weekend?

1032
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,800
And I said, sure, it was for the
WWE.

1033
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,240
It was for the live event side
of the WWE, not TV.

1034
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,960
And they were looking to hire,
yeah, they they were looking to

1035
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,680
hire video programmers.
And it was for this horrible

1036
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,640
little media server called
Maxedia.

1037
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,240
That.
Can quite bad.

1038
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,760
They're horrible little monsters
that we were running off of of a

1039
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,680
Martin M1 console.
This live events is basically

1040
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,360
practice in front of a live
audience for TV or for the WWE.

1041
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,520
So every weekend there was two
there was two teams.

1042
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,120
There was a red team and a blue
team that would go out.

1043
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,520
Sometimes they wouldn't, but for
the most part they would and

1044
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,000
they would split up the
wrestlers and basically this is

1045
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,000
when they're not timed.
They can work on their shtick.

1046
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,720
They can work on whether this
this gag is going to may it

1047
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,760
going to be good for the crowd
or they're not gonna get it.

1048
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,680
It's also when this most of the
silliness would occur cuz they

1049
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,800
were you're not regimented to
live TV.

1050
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,840
So commercial breaks and things
like that nature and you have to

1051
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,360
be so tight.
So it's like, yeah, gloves were

1052
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:52,000
off playtime.
But yeah, so I started, I

1053
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,600
actually started touring with
the WWE.

1054
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,600
Wow, so and that took you.
Was that Torian round?

1055
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,000
Yeah.
We're like just just America for

1056
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,760
that part, obviously Like, yeah,
America or just.

1057
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,240
Wait, mainly America?
Canada.

1058
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,800
I went to Mexico with them.
I watched a wrestler get hit by

1059
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,680
a bull.
OK.

1060
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:20,760
I own a bull ring in Quiero
Darrow and I apologize for all

1061
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,520
Spanish speakers.
Pretty sure I spelled I

1062
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,680
pronounced that wrong.
But yeah, he thought, he can

1063
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,160
outrun the.
Bull My.

1064
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:34,080
Goodness, that told him.
He he did not climb out of that

1065
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:39,680
Bullring fast enough.
And definitely the thought and

1066
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,960
well, the smart thing about WWE
is even at live events, we have

1067
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,040
a doctor and a physical
therapist that travel the entire

1068
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,480
time.
Yeah.

1069
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,720
I mean, I mean that, but at the
same time, people even in the

1070
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,360
audience at that, you know, at
the live event probably thought

1071
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,360
that that was all staged, but it
wasn't.

1072
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:59,600
They didn't see that.
They didn't.

1073
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,280
They didn't see that part.
We were in the bull ring itself

1074
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,640
and the bulls were all in their
pens.

1075
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,520
And then Phil being Phil jumped
into the pen and like, and so,

1076
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,000
yeah, so he he got clipped on
his way of crawling out of the

1077
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,040
pen and.
Yeah, so it was very interesting

1078
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:25,120
to be so big.
Seriously, what a stupid man.

1079
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,680
So Halloween didn't know Sarah.
Yeah, but if, if you remember,

1080
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,360
we were invincible too.
Oh God.

1081
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,240
I have to.
There's just a moment has just

1082
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:47,800
come into my mind now, I think.
I'm sure it was Berlin and

1083
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,120
there's me and you on the rowing
late while all the boys are

1084
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,440
watching football.
We don't want to watch the

1085
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,800
football.
I think it was football, it was

1086
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,360
something going on and we were
like we've, we've had enough of

1087
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,400
all the boys.
So we took 2 beers.

1088
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,640
We walked around the lake and
the man said no, no, no, it's

1089
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,520
closed.
And you literally like thanks.

1090
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,040
And we said go on then just go,
just go.

1091
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,040
So we jumped onto this little
rowing boat and I've got this

1092
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,840
beautiful picture of us like
angels.

1093
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,840
We didn't, no, we didn't even go
out on the boat.

1094
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,720
We just sat in the boat.
I was basically, I kept saying

1095
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,400
can we please take it out?
And he's like, no, I was like

1096
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:36,040
fine, can we sit in this boat?
And he was just like, fine.

1097
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,200
That where they're all chained
up on this lovely little lake

1098
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,320
and whoa, it was so romantic,
but you could every now and

1099
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,400
again.
I don't, I can't really, I can't

1100
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,840
remember what sporting thing was
going on, but there was

1101
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,840
something and you could hear
cheers.

1102
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,400
There was.
Something.

1103
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,080
Was it the Euro Cup As that?
I'm really damn.

1104
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,880
But we just knew that we didn't
want to sit with all the boys.

1105
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,760
Nope.
And all the other boys that were

1106
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,640
there and we were like, can we
just in your boat, please?

1107
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,280
And there we were drinking bean.
I think that was a loading day

1108
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,720
the next day.
Oh, probably, yeah.

1109
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,399
Every time we ran out, we would
text them bring beer to the

1110
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:21,319
boat.
Yes we did.

1111
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,359
Yes, we skipped on texting.
Texting the boys was like, OK,

1112
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,200
we've run out of beer now and
they would come round with extra

1113
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,479
beer for us.
Only one that was a commercial

1114
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,240
break only when it but.
There was a commercial break

1115
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,760
that would come around with
extra beers.

1116
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,479
Oh, sorry, I just had that I
don't just flashed in my mind.

1117
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,680
I love that was that was a
really cool time it.

1118
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Wasn't that was a great time?
Seriously, that tour was great.

1119
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,560
Like really like I've got such
fond memories.

1120
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,240
This is Coldplay tour for
everybody that is listening.

1121
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:58,600
That was Coldplay, but we had
some and we, I believe we had a

1122
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,920
lot of we did have a lot of days
off like we did and we didn't

1123
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,479
like it was like Roadie Friday
travel day leading into a day

1124
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,479
off.
I would.

1125
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:15,040
I do recall there was maybe one
of those a week we had a day off

1126
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,359
or at least.
We had a proper day off in

1127
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,279
Berlin.
We did a bit.

1128
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:25,080
Three, I think, yeah, I think we
had a proper day off.

1129
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:31,040
Was it Manchester?
We had a few there was there.

1130
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:35,040
We were lucky that oh, we had a
proper day off in Zurich.

1131
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,399
I remember that.
Oh yeah, we had zero because,

1132
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,040
well, because I was just so
expensive.

1133
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,160
Like literally like everyone
just stayed in the hotels, like,

1134
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,040
OK.
And even room service was like,

1135
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,439
you know, triple the price is
always expensive anyway, but it

1136
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,720
was like triple the price.
So Oh my God, just sleep for the

1137
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,880
day.
That though that was.

1138
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,560
One of those.
Tours, we were back and forth on

1139
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,800
that ferry like 4 times.
It was so silly.

1140
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,160
It was like we started here and
then we left and then we have to

1141
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,160
go back and then we have to come
back and then we, it was like,

1142
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,680
why do we keep going on this
ferry?

1143
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,880
Obviously this was this was
actually this was I remember a

1144
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,880
Coldplay because play was when
Brexit happened, when it was

1145
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,120
announced seriously, there was
like what, 130 of us or

1146
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:33,280
something on that tour that
catering that day that then that

1147
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,880
the vote came out for Brexit.
I have never heard a catering

1148
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,040
that quiet never.
And it was filled with people,

1149
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,040
but nobody was saying anything.
Everybody was very.

1150
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:50,400
Yeah, I mean, even now, like
friends of mine that are still,

1151
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,880
Yep, from the UK that obviously
touring, they really unless

1152
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,360
they've, I don't know how,
unless the Tour Company apply

1153
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,840
for basically visas for
everybody.

1154
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,600
Generally now if you're just
doing a short tour and they

1155
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,880
don't want to provide a visa for
Europe and everything, they have

1156
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,760
to use their 90 day, you know,
allocation and then they then

1157
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,400
they have to come back to the UK
and I'm like, it's just, it's

1158
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,800
just crazy.
Like really it's just like crazy

1159
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,440
crazy.
Now I'm lucky I'm here.

1160
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:29,200
I'm a resident in Europe and so
I, you know, I've got free

1161
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,680
weight to go anywhere.
But like, yeah, seriously.

1162
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:38,640
Like, let's jump into that one.
It seemed to have messed so much

1163
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,480
up, especially for this for
this.

1164
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:45,960
World even, like, yeah,
everything, everything's messed

1165
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,920
up on that.
But I mean, there was so many,

1166
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,080
you know, just logistically for
everything.

1167
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,040
I mean, all the, the bus
companies, they're going in and

1168
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,120
out, I mean, now going in and
out of the UK to, to Europe,

1169
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,840
like it's just, oh, it's just,
it's absolutely stupid.

1170
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,880
But I said most oil companies
I've heard, you know, now give

1171
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,840
you a visa, but I mean give you
a visa to go to Europe.

1172
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,880
Like, you know, I said I'm lucky
I've got my breast.

1173
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,800
I had my residency way before,
like I had it before.

1174
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,680
Like, yeah, before Brexit
happened, I already had it.

1175
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,320
But if I hadn't, like, I
wouldn't be here living in Crete

1176
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,600
now.
Well, I would because now I'm

1177
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,600
married.
But I always say to, but I

1178
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,560
always say to people are always
like, no, you know, you kind of

1179
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,360
did like what's what's the lady
the, the Shirley Valentine, you

1180
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,520
know, you went away, you met,
you met the boy, you got

1181
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,400
married.
And I was like, no, actually.

1182
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,400
That's wrong even before the
boy.

1183
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,880
I said I fell in love with this
island before I met my husband.

1184
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,280
I already had my life here.
I said it just that our paths

1185
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,800
never crossed while I was here
until like, four years ago.

1186
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,120
But yeah, everyone, even local
people, they're like, I thought

1187
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,000
that you, you know, you just
fell in love with Manoli.

1188
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,200
Oh, I fell in love with here
first.

1189
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:09,160
Oh my God, first time I visited
you was it was after you too.

1190
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,600
We'll never forget your cave
house.

1191
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,000
I'll never forget the night that
we stayed up until who knows how

1192
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,840
long that was, but my.
Friend, this is what we use our

1193
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,200
magic.
So this, it's a place called

1194
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,160
Matala.
We're kind of like diversing

1195
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,280
now, but it doesn't matter.
It's a place called Matala.

1196
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,320
And you arrived in Heracula.
I came to pick you up.

1197
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,160
We came back to Matala and I
said, look, everything is

1198
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,040
closed.
I think it was like October, end

1199
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,160
of October, I said everything's
closed and but I had this cave

1200
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,080
house and literally it was like
overlooking this beautiful Bay

1201
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,120
had a beautiful veranda and it
was a cave house for a reason

1202
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,600
because it was like basically a
house built into the into the

1203
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:49,840
wall.
It was a cave.

1204
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,640
You have to walk outside for the
shower, the toilets and

1205
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,920
everything.
It was so cool.

1206
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:59,120
Then we found one to Verna,
which is called, which is a

1207
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,920
restaurant that was open.
So it was like, OK, give us

1208
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,600
food.
So it gave us food, but

1209
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,840
everything else was closed in
this village.

1210
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:13,640
And then we're like, now we buy
wine, take away.

1211
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,840
And they were like, yeah, I was
like, great.

1212
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,640
I think we bought EUR and you
turned around and shot me this

1213
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,680
look and you're like, that's too
much.

1214
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:34,040
And I'm like it's €10.
Here is what we need don't get

1215
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:39,920
me safe you can now give the
wedding I need wine it's.

1216
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,040
Like OK two we have then we
could get 2.

1217
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,240
And for anybody that was still
living there, we had the music

1218
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,880
blaring.
So I think it was the sun coming

1219
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,280
up.
I mean, so loud.

1220
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,800
We were dancing.
We were.

1221
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,360
Yeah.
It was amazing.

1222
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,560
Screaming lyrics over the
balcony.

1223
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,480
Thinking that there was nobody
living there, but there's still

1224
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:08,360
residential people there.
See, you're a bad influence I.

1225
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,080
Postmortemly apologize to the
people motto.

1226
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,040
No, they say.
Lauren, you're going to come

1227
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,280
back.
You got to come back.

1228
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,600
Oh, I want.
To I know you will.

1229
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:22,920
I know you will.
I know you will.

1230
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,680
Oh, I'm going to come to you
because you've got your new

1231
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,920
house that looks amazing.
Really.

1232
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,360
I'm proud of you so.
Proud like it is.

1233
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,680
Seriously.
More than 10.

1234
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:39,320
Years coming, I just haven't sat
down to actually be like, fine,

1235
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:44,160
we're going to buy this done.
Yeah, but I knew you like, you

1236
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,720
know, the style, just everything
and it just, it just looks

1237
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,680
absolutely beautiful.
And obviously that's come from

1238
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:56,360
hard work over the years.
So after the the like the live

1239
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,600
touring, how did you get into
the music side of things?

1240
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:07,120
Yeah.
So, so WWE's lighting vendor is

1241
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,640
upstaging and skipping over a
few parts because it's been a

1242
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,440
journey.
But how I got into music was and

1243
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,240
because of these Mac, these
these media servers that I

1244
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,480
worked with for WWEI had a lot
of connections within upstaging

1245
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:26,960
because they were the ones that
supplied them.

1246
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,680
So every now and then we would
do refurbs and stuff like that.

1247
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,480
So I got to know them.
And when it came time to look

1248
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:38,400
for a new gig, I basically rang
up Tony Thompson at upstaging.

1249
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,920
He was like, we'll put in an
application and put me down.

1250
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,600
And lo and behold, I got brought
in for an interview because

1251
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,480
since my with my experience with
that media server as well as I

1252
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:57,880
had learned a few different ones
along the way, they were

1253
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,760
basically like, we want upset.
This is when upstaging was

1254
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,160
starting to really expand their
video side of things.

1255
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,240
And so they were starting to buy
more LED walls.

1256
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,360
They were starting to buy more
of this and they wanted more

1257
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,200
people that would come in and
they would operate servers.

1258
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:19,360
So I was actually brought on for
our upstaging to do a lot of

1259
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,320
more media server work than
anything.

1260
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,920
And one of like the first tours
that I went out on, well, I went

1261
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,040
on, I went on a few things to
like fill in for people that

1262
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,400
either because I would just just
started and so like I went out

1263
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,840
to relieve some people or
somebody had to go home.

1264
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,400
But one of the first things that
I went out on was a Janet

1265
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,440
Jackson and it was to run a
hippo system.

1266
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:47,080
And so went out and did that.
And basically I came back and we

1267
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,200
were supposed to continue with
Janet and continue to run

1268
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,560
hippos.
But lo and behold, at 52 years

1269
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,880
of age, she was pregnant and
going to have a baby.

1270
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,200
So the dog got cancelled and I
got put on Coldplay and that's

1271
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,320
how I got to meet you.
So it was very serendipitous.

1272
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,080
No, I never knew that.
Really.

1273
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,160
I didn't.
Know that Yeah, if yeah.

1274
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,680
But 52 as well.
So there's two things I didn't

1275
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,120
know.
I didn't know that that one got

1276
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,400
cancelled and that's why you got
put on Coldplay.

1277
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,040
But also 52.
Yeah.

1278
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,680
Crazy, right?
I wouldn't want.

1279
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,720
That I wouldn't want that.
No way, no.

1280
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,640
But if you had Jackson money to
take care of you when you were

1281
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,760
pregnant at 52, I'm sure you'll
be all right.

1282
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:35,440
Maybe OK be able to do it.
Yeah, but best money, but you

1283
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:38,840
know, all the money in the world
to get the best doctors to help

1284
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,960
you through that.
So yeah, so that's how.

1285
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:47,400
I so then so on Coldplay you,
who were you under within

1286
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,160
Coldplay?
I was lighting.

1287
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,280
I was, I was out there under
lighting and.

1288
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,480
And I because obviously the
other guys, yeah, I thought you

1289
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:02,160
was on the lighting side.
And then also I was like, yeah,

1290
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,840
but now you're director.
I was like, how did you do?

1291
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,880
The switch from lighting didn't
survive.

1292
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,720
How did this whole thing happen?
It's just kind of, it's just

1293
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,320
kind of a journey.
I knew that I wanted to focus

1294
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:21,280
mainly on servers at the time
and after after Coldplay,

1295
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:26,480
there's a few more tours with
with upstaging till I finally

1296
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,080
felt comfortable enough to go
freelance.

1297
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:36,360
And when I went for getting a
person so, so when I was on

1298
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,760
Janet Jackson and we were
actually touring, not getting

1299
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,440
things cancelled.
The engineer for the video

1300
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,160
department, his name is Dave
Neugenbauer.

1301
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,880
He's one of very sweet guys that
helped me out.

1302
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,960
And he basically said to me, you
know, when you're, and I said to

1303
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,800
him, I want to move over to
video.

1304
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,480
I want to continue to do
servers.

1305
01:19:55,480 --> 01:20:00,080
So, you know, because it was I,
it was really strange for them.

1306
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,560
It was a weird split.
Janet was we had, we had the

1307
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,760
wall, we had the LED, we had the
LED fascia and then they had the

1308
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,440
camera package.
And so normally that doesn't

1309
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:14,800
happen.
Normally video has the wall and

1310
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,040
all of the LED fascia.
I was running the servers, so it

1311
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,640
was, it was kind of a weird
split.

1312
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,000
So I was this weird hybrid
character in between the guys

1313
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,560
from PRG and lighting with
upstaging.

1314
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,480
And so I worked a lot with Dave
and Dave basically said he goes,

1315
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,240
when you're willing to make the
leap, let me know and I'll help

1316
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,840
you out.
So when I finally left

1317
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,600
upstaging, I basically decided I
was done with doing any other

1318
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,720
lighting things.
I'm only going to focus on LED

1319
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,480
and servers and things of that
nature and we'll, we'll go from

1320
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,280
there.
Rang up Dave and basically said,

1321
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,880
you know, I did to go freelance
and I'm freaking out.

1322
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,080
I don't know what to do.
And he gave me skip to

1323
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,480
Twitchell's number from PRG,
who's again, one of my mentors

1324
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:01,840
and a very sweet friend of mine.
And he gave me a few other

1325
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:08,160
numbers to call and basically
skip kept me consistently busy

1326
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:15,840
for the next few years maybe.
Or after I decided that I wanted

1327
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:22,000
to do more server work, I paid
for to get to do the the actual

1328
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,640
training for D3.
And I got myself a whole bunch

1329
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,240
of of kind of equipment to kind
of help me along that way.

1330
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,640
And he started putting me out on
D3 gigs.

1331
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,800
And so D3 gigs led to more more
exposure and definitely more

1332
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,320
time around like the people that
make kind of the decisions.

1333
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,840
Skip was actually the first
person to kind of believe in me

1334
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:50,080
that I could be a director when
I was out on U2.

1335
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:54,400
He had rang me up.
We had a 2 month break from the

1336
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:59,600
US to the European leg and he
said, hey, our direct, the

1337
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,880
director for this probably
cannot do this gig.

1338
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,200
Do you want to come do this
Carrie Underwood thing?

1339
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,640
It was one show.
It was basically a corporate

1340
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,200
show.
He's like, you'll be able to

1341
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,680
handle it.
It's only like 3 songs,

1342
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,160
etcetera, etcetera.
Low that fell through.

1343
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,480
But it was the first time that
that idea had actually come into

1344
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,560
my head that, oh, I really could
be a video director.

1345
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:32,320
And it wasn't until Aerosmith.
It's wonderful, this wonderful

1346
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:33,320
gig.
Aerosmith.

1347
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,480
Yeah, this.
Wonderful gig, this this gig,

1348
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:41,520
this gigs where the people that
you worked with becomes some of

1349
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,120
your closest friends.
But it's all because it's just

1350
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:53,400
trauma bonded together.
You're like your friends.

1351
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,480
It's more accurate.
We they were trying to keep

1352
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:01,200
things on the cheap and since it
was supposed to be a residency,

1353
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,240
they wanted to keep a lot of
people that were Vegas based.

1354
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,320
But they didn't have anybody to
run the D3 system.

1355
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:13,080
I had a friend in Vegas and
basically they were going to up

1356
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,880
my per diem if I could stay with
him and then that kind of thing.

1357
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,160
And but things changed obviously
and they were trying to get

1358
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:27,040
directors, localized directors,
most of the directors in Vegas

1359
01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:31,120
finding we're all corporate
guys, so.

1360
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,280
Like.
Directing Rock'n'roll and

1361
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,640
Directing Corporate are two very
different animals.

1362
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:40,200
Yeah.
And so they got one guy in.

1363
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,080
Well, one guy showed up and he
was drunk.

1364
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,360
Well, that kind of could have
worked.

1365
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,440
Time also at the time, you know,
Steven Tyler was was sober and

1366
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,320
so like we had to be very
careful on certain things.

1367
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,000
So yeah, having a drunk guy walk
around generally when the artist

1368
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,280
was in the building, not a good
look, definitely not a good

1369
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:06,040
look.
So.

1370
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,320
Yeah.
Then we got another guy in, they

1371
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,640
hired another guy and this guy
was even worse because you know,

1372
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,640
we kept trying to ask him
questions about his cameras and

1373
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,280
what he wanted and where he
wanted them.

1374
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,240
And you know, he was, he
basically pawned it all off or

1375
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,800
like, OK.
And we did 2 rehearsals with

1376
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:32,880
them and I don't think he
changed the camera once, maybe

1377
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,560
twice.
Maybe he actually did, maybe he

1378
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:39,400
did push a different button but
said, you know, we had one of

1379
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,160
the cameras locked off on, on
Steven.

1380
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,160
We did like one run through with
one song or something and it

1381
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,640
never changed.
And the designers and every, the

1382
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,840
producers and everything are
watching this and they're just

1383
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,840
like, what are we going to do?
And then we did that was like in

1384
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,120
the morning and in the evening
we did another one.

1385
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,720
Same thing happened.
I think he at one point started

1386
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,080
messing with things, but it
wasn't like it wasn't a

1387
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,720
rehearsal.
It was just like going through

1388
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,000
the actual cameras that we had.
It was very peculiar.

1389
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,080
It was very odd.
Just like I think I'm gonna stay

1390
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,480
here and just press a few
buttons and see what happens.

1391
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,720
Yeah, yeah.
It was like, oh, what does this

1392
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,560
do?
Oh, what is, what does this one

1393
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,880
look like?
Oh, what, You know, it was it

1394
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,560
was quite bizarre.
So they fired him that evening.

1395
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:30,000
And the show producer came up to
me and he looked at me and he

1396
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,360
goes, you know, I think you
would make a director.

1397
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,400
And I was like, you don't know
that.

1398
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,360
You're now you're digging, now
you're digging and you're like

1399
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,600
digging like, you know that?
Should be really.

1400
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,560
Good, yeah.
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you

1401
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,680
don't know me, you know, And at
this point, I was the crew chief

1402
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,040
and I was, I was the crew chief.
I was the D3 operator.

1403
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,120
I was on.
I would become the projectionist

1404
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,760
for a bit until we got another
one in.

1405
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,640
I there was there.
This was a very tricky job.

1406
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,720
And so I basically said I'll do
this.

1407
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,360
How about this?
I will run a rehearsal, I will

1408
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,480
run one rehearsal and at the end
of that rehearsal we'll have a

1409
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:16,040
conversation.
If you guys are happy and I'm

1410
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,200
happy and I feel I can do this
and you feel I can do this,

1411
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,120
we'll we'll have a conversation.
But you know, I'll do one

1412
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,720
rehearsal.
Well, 4 rehearsals later I kept

1413
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,560
saying when are we having this
conversation?

1414
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:33,320
So that wasn't it was.
Yeah, that was that was the

1415
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,720
first.
That was the first thing I did.

1416
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:39,280
Whoa, again, you have to say
thank you, drunk man, thank you

1417
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,600
man just pressed button because
this is it.

1418
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:47,640
This is my this is my time to
shine and you know, I'm sorry

1419
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,000
that you know, it took two
rubbish people, you know to get

1420
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,240
you out there, but it happened
so it's amazing.

1421
01:26:55,800 --> 01:27:00,560
I'm really like, that's just,
again, lead somewhere at the

1422
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,040
right time to go through.
And like you said, you was doing

1423
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,560
everything.
You're doing all the different

1424
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,720
jobs.
You know, it's, it's, it's your

1425
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,560
character, it's, it's who you
are.

1426
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,280
How long did the Aerosmith gig
last?

1427
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,400
It wasn't long.
That one wasn't long.

1428
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,920
They did a residency and I was
already scheduled to go back.

1429
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:26,200
So what had happened was please.
So that was that was their first

1430
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:31,040
residency.
And in the midst of that I was

1431
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,120
supposed to go back to, I know I
was supposed to go back to you

1432
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,160
too.
And I got asked if I would go to

1433
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:42,880
Carrie Underwood for D3 because
they needed AD 3 operator slash

1434
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,800
programmer for that.
And so I left.

1435
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,520
When I loaded that out of park,
I thought I was done with

1436
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:55,520
Aerosmith and then I had a gap
in my schedule or actually

1437
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,640
basically Carrie Underwood, U2
and Aerosmith were all all

1438
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:06,160
contracts by PRG.
And so I went out and did the

1439
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,640
first leg of Carrie Underwood's
cry pretty tore and they were

1440
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,960
saying, are you coming back for
the second leg?

1441
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,920
And I said, I don't think so
because we're going to get,

1442
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:18,680
we're going to start to run into
conflict my other, my other

1443
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,360
things.
I'm not really sure what's

1444
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,280
happening but it's going to tell
me since it's the same.

1445
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,840
Company, yeah, you're under the
same umbrella, basically.

1446
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,440
Yeah.
And So what had happened was

1447
01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:35,240
Aerosmith had called and wanted
me to come out to do their East

1448
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:41,920
Coast run.
And I think I and I agreed to

1449
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,680
that.
It's like I could have done, I

1450
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,400
could have done Aerosmith's East
Coast and then and then U2's

1451
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,560
Australia and Asia Joshua trees
run and that would have fit

1452
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,160
together.
And I, if I stayed and done

1453
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,920
Carrie Underwood, it would have,
it basically would have

1454
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,880
conflicted with both.
So I did not go back to Carrie

1455
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,040
Underwood and I stayed and I
did.

1456
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,440
I got to have like a few few
days off, a week off or

1457
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:11,520
something like that, and then I
went back to do.

1458
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,320
But that's also you basically
went so.

1459
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,360
And still this is now, yeah,
basically you've done, that's

1460
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:17,200
it.
You've you've done.

1461
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,960
You've taken the lead.
Now your director still for

1462
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,880
Aerosmith.
Yep.

1463
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,440
Yeah, yeah.
And.

1464
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,920
Still.
And still media OPS.

1465
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,400
So I was still doing, I was
still being a director and

1466
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,760
running the D3.
OK, Yep.

1467
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,200
And so I've done that.
Don't know.

1468
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:43,720
So, and then I then I went back
to you too, and that was 2019

1469
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,400
and then we had a pandemic.
So this is about.

1470
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,720
Well, actually, I think so.
Was 2019 that the last time

1471
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,040
you've done anything with you
too?

1472
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,080
Yes, Yeah, of course.
That was the geometry.

1473
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:54,680
What was?
Yeah.

1474
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,200
Because there's just one thing
you managed to hit the Vogue

1475
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:03,920
magazine girly.
That was 18.

1476
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,200
That was. 2018 OK.
OK, that was 2018.

1477
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:12,160
That was 2018, Yeah.
They that was that was an

1478
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,960
interesting publicity thing that
occurred.

1479
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,120
I was, I was talking you and I
was like, I mean, that's how far

1480
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,160
I've gone down on your Facebook.
Like I've been like, I'm

1481
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,440
smoking.
And I was like, OK, and I was,

1482
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:26,000
but I was so interested.
Like I was just like, oh, OK,

1483
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,600
OK.
That was, I saw this Vogue and

1484
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,240
all your friends, like they were
like, yeah, I made it to both.

1485
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:38,000
The the funniest thing about
that is one of the girls I know

1486
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,640
she, she's got a friend that
used to actually be a runway

1487
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,880
model, like a proper runway
model.

1488
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,680
Right before we've hung out,
we've had dinners.

1489
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,800
She's she's lovely.
I like her a lot.

1490
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:53,320
And so Maddie rings her up and
says you'll never believe who

1491
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:57,440
beat you into Vogue.
That's hilarious.

1492
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,600
Told her it was me.
She's like, there's no way.

1493
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,480
It's so funny.
He's like, yeah, but I did.

1494
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:18,040
For anybody that honestly knows
me, I basically live in T-shirt

1495
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,640
and jeans and generally a swag
T-shirt and jeans.

1496
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,760
So it's kind of one of those.
It was.

1497
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,160
All the time look at you She she
does a hair like this like yes,

1498
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:31,080
I'm still.
Gorgeous.

1499
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,280
This is just it.
This is what it does.

1500
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:37,640
So as it dries.
But yeah, no, it was very that

1501
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,560
was that was I think my favorite
comment out of that whole thing

1502
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,560
because it was also the one of
the first times that I've dealt

1503
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:49,360
with being misquoted.
And so I think I'll actually

1504
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:54,280
hate anytime I see you my words
in print because they always

1505
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:58,400
seem to be either misconstrued
or taken out of context or, you

1506
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,240
know, altered in a way.
And I'm like, what is?

1507
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,040
This.
The cool one is that's the same

1508
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:08,040
with, I mean really, you know,
no, like anything in writing, it

1509
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,160
can, it can how your emotions
and how you want to get

1510
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:13,880
something across could be
completely different.

1511
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:21,400
You know, I believe, you know,
chatting, you know, if you said

1512
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:28,200
it.
But now we come to basically,

1513
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:33,240
which I find totally pandemic
time and you, you know, you're,

1514
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,600
you're home.
And then next minute, because I

1515
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,480
remember this so well, because
she was like going to China.

1516
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,640
Yep.
Yeah, Don't.

1517
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:51,680
I think one of the biggest
things in this wacky

1518
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,520
entertainment career that I've
had is I've never been really

1519
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,040
afraid to pivot to try different
things.

1520
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,680
A very dear friend of mine
reached out and said, hey, apply

1521
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:06,440
for this.
And it was basically his

1522
01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:11,480
roommates friend had posted that
she needed twelve people.

1523
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,960
They're based out of New York,
so she wanted 12 New York stage

1524
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,600
hands, 12 local 1 stage hands to
get on this plane and come to

1525
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,200
China and help build a theater
at for Universal.

1526
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,640
They were so far behind in
schedule.

1527
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,560
They're so far behind in things
and she was looking for she was

1528
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:32,760
looking to get well, originally
she was looking to get a plane

1529
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:39,280
of him settled on 12.
And at the time, I will even

1530
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,520
admit I didn't even I didn't
even want to apply because I

1531
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,720
figured there's no way that
she's going to choose me.

1532
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,040
She doesn't know me.
Yeah, worked in New York.

1533
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,280
She has all of these people, all
these very skilled people that

1534
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,280
she can use, that are used to
this, that are used to doing

1535
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,680
theater installs and used to
being part of this.

1536
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,280
This is their life.
But then I took a look at it

1537
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,680
again one night because she had
posted this, I think on Facebook

1538
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,800
or something of that nature, and
there was like 150 comments and

1539
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,480
they were all asking things.
You could tell that these were

1540
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:11,960
all people that have never
toured or never done anything

1541
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,160
like this.
Can I bring my family?

1542
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,600
Can I bring my pets?
Can I bring, you know, and I'm

1543
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,880
like reading all of this.
Will we get time off for the

1544
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,240
holidays?
Will we get time off for this?

1545
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,120
And I was just like, oh, they
don't get it.

1546
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:29,000
Like that's, that's no, that's
not how these things work.

1547
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,840
Once you're there, you're there.
That's it.

1548
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,680
Sometimes, obviously, there's
exceptions.

1549
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:37,200
And so I.
Casually was like, all right,

1550
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:38,280
I'm going to write her this
letter.

1551
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:44,640
And it was she told me that the
reason why she my letter.

1552
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:47,840
Stood out it was.
Because I made her laugh and it

1553
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,560
was basically I wrote her and I
said, hey, we don't know each

1554
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,840
other.
I'm a friend of so and so who's

1555
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,880
a friend of so and so.
And they passed your info.

1556
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,640
It sounds like you're looking
for people who will do whatever

1557
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,600
is necessary.
And so I basically put I'm like,

1558
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,000
if you need me to wrangle locals
and unload trucks, I'm your

1559
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,960
girl.
If you need me to program video

1560
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,920
servers and sling LED, I'm there
for you.

1561
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:17,280
But then I put if you need me to
drag 500 feet of feeder through

1562
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:22,360
sand, we may need to have a
conversation, but I'll probably

1563
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:25,400
first thing she said to me, she
goes.

1564
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,000
What if I need you to drag
feeder?

1565
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,600
We don't have sand.
What if I need you to drag

1566
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,280
feeder through stealth and I'm
like, that's a lot easier than

1567
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:37,200
sand so.
That's done any of those

1568
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,560
festivals on a beach dragging
feeder.

1569
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:45,120
Through sand is miserable.
I've never have.

1570
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,560
Never will.
So yeah.

1571
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,880
So no, I, I.
Went I somehow got picked.

1572
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:57,720
To be one of those people and on
the most extensive process to

1573
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:01,960
Get Me Out of the country that I
have ever been through, and I

1574
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,160
mean, crossed a lot of borders
and gotten on a lot of planes.

1575
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,840
This one wins.
I had a full binder.

1576
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,400
And I mean, I had properly
prepared.

1577
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,240
I had all.
I had so much paperwork to Get

1578
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:15,960
Me Out of the country and into
China.

1579
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,440
I was there for.
Had the world closed down at

1580
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,440
this point?
Yeah, Yeah.

1581
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,760
It had, so it wasn't even that
you.

1582
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,760
You you got the gig before.
And then it closed down.

1583
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:31,960
You literally the world closed
down universal out in China did

1584
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:38,480
basically did everything to get
you out of the state into China

1585
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:43,760
and.
My understanding of it.

1586
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,720
For the 12 of us.
To get.

1587
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,840
To China with our the amount
that they were charging visas,

1588
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:58,440
it was over $1,000,000, yeah.
Like each one of our visas cost.

1589
01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:04,560
Over $100,000 to get us out.
It was anybody that has flown

1590
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,920
through Dallas.
I had a four hour.

1591
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:13,200
Layover in Dallas between.
Orlando and Dallas and I have

1592
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:17,120
never seen Dallas that empty in
my entire life and I never will

1593
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:20,440
again.
It was the most eerie, bizarre

1594
01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:24,920
thing in the world.
Flights a week that were going

1595
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:29,320
back between China and the
States during December of 2020.

1596
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:33,240
So the height of the pandemic.
I was there and then I was there

1597
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,520
on the on the airplanes.
Like how you know, like.

1598
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,520
How was it on the airplane?
Did you?

1599
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,360
Was it busy?
Was it was it empty like it was?

1600
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,160
It was.
It was.

1601
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:50,400
Oh man, it was very empty.
It was.

1602
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,400
There.
Was they were kind enough.

1603
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,000
I don't know how it works this
would this it was not expected,

1604
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,320
but they did fly a bunch of U.S.
business class over which was

1605
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,760
great.
Yeah, I think there was three of

1606
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:07,480
us in business and that was it.
But even still like.

1607
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:12,960
That, you know, like I always
say money talks, you know, and

1608
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:17,440
that to get you out into China,
you know, over by anyway, that's

1609
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:20,120
just.
So how long was the gig meant to

1610
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,000
last for?
Because I think I believe I saw

1611
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:26,280
something like last like 4
weeks.

1612
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:31,880
It lasted 6 something yeah yeah.
So the way that it was.

1613
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,680
Pitched was, it was supposed to
be like 6 to 8 weeks, so

1614
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:41,200
supposed to be 6 to 8 weeks.
We had December 8th.

1615
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,360
I had a ticket back to the
States, I think March 8th or

1616
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:50,800
something like that to say it
was about a month into China

1617
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,920
time.
So I was already I'd gone

1618
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:54,760
through the necessary
quarantines.

1619
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,400
I'd gone through all of that.
I was on site and one day we

1620
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,520
realized all of our return
tickets were cancelled.

1621
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,320
We never really got a straight
answer.

1622
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,320
It was.
You can work until your.

1623
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,880
Visa's out and then you, you
know, like we'll keep.

1624
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,960
If we were they.
Kept saying, oh, we may, we may,

1625
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,760
we are going to need you to
probably till April.

1626
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,960
We're going to need you to
probably till this.

1627
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:28,160
And then finally that went away
till you can stay as long as you

1628
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,040
want.
If you're done and you want to

1629
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,400
go home, tell us and we'll send
you.

1630
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:38,480
So basically we all had to give,
I think April, remember it being

1631
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:42,440
April was when the first people
started talking about they

1632
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,600
either had to go back because
they had certain things

1633
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:51,680
happening or that kind of stuff.
But they, it was, it became a,

1634
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,880
you're here on 180 day visa.
We will continue to pay you and

1635
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:00,000
continue to employ you up until
it's time for you to go home.

1636
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:04,360
And they wanted everybody to
have a midway through.

1637
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,640
They wanted people there started
to become an interesting thing

1638
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:12,560
and developing over there where
we had to leave.

1639
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,040
They wanted us out of the they.
Meaning universal.

1640
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:21,320
They universal.
Wanted us off the on a plane

1641
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,840
minimum two days before our visa
expired minimum if not a few

1642
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,960
more because what was happening
is people were now leaving it to

1643
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:34,520
the very last minute of their
visas and certain times at the

1644
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,040
airport they wouldn't let him
get on the plane.

1645
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:39,800
They were saying they're
overstaying their.

1646
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,640
Their visa because.
Depending on who it is and

1647
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,320
anybody that's worked in China
can understands that maybe

1648
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:53,160
understands when I say new day,
new rules, because that's kind

1649
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,560
of just how it was.
Like you show up to the job site

1650
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:00,160
and you would show them your
badge and you'd show them your

1651
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,360
QR health code that said that
you were free and then you

1652
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,760
hadn't been exposed to COVID And
that would be enough some days.

1653
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,400
And then some days they wanted
to see your badge and that code

1654
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,960
and this other code that said
you could travel.

1655
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,120
And then some days they wanted
to see your badge, you know, and

1656
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,240
you're just like new day, new
rule, new day.

1657
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:23,000
This is the new thing, you know?
And so the uniformity, just

1658
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,760
knowing it's like, oh, I just
need to go in and and check my

1659
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:29,320
badge.
You know, it's not it's in here.

1660
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,240
So now I need the green arrow
code.

1661
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,120
Now I need this code.
Now I don't need any of these

1662
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,360
codes in just my badge.
Now today I want he doesn't want

1663
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,280
the health code, but he wants
the green arrow code.

1664
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,360
It was fine.
I'm just going to take you all

1665
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,960
with me and you can.
Just have what you want.

1666
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,960
Yeah, yeah.
And so I'm agreeing you was in

1667
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,120
like a complete.
Bubble when you were there.

1668
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:57,640
I'm sorry, it was what I'm I'm.
Presuming using like a your your

1669
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,280
own.
Little bubble like when you was

1670
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,960
there.
Oh yeah, it was weird.

1671
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,400
Like because of.
The way that China tracks

1672
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:08,800
things, we we all stayed in the
same building.

1673
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:10,760
My team stayed in the same
building.

1674
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,040
So like the 1212 of us that came
over, I shouldn't even say my

1675
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:18,040
team because then I, I actually,
I would say this lovingly.

1676
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:22,160
I got kicked out of the big
theater, but then they made me a

1677
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:26,520
PSM of the small theater and I
was like, wait, there's more

1678
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:28,880
responsibility.
I love a lot more

1679
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,160
responsibility.
I got to deal with like vendors

1680
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:32,280
now.
So.

1681
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,240
Oh, I but the for the 12 of us,
we lived in the same building,

1682
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,240
which made it easy for transport
and stuff like that.

1683
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:43,880
But there was in terms of like a
bubble like you talk, you talk

1684
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,840
about like these COVID bubbles
or it's like for the fuse, few

1685
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,400
things that were working, you
had to stay within like the

1686
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,280
confines of that.
That didn't happen.

1687
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:57,640
We were free to roam.
We it was basically you would

1688
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:01,960
hear about neighborhoods that
would be locked down in China.

1689
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:06,720
So a lot of their buildings
actually have gates and so they

1690
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:10,320
would lock the gates.
Like that's where you hear a lot

1691
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,720
of that kind of stuff of like
these lock insurance and these

1692
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:14,520
like what was going on over
there.

1693
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:19,560
But I mean, because we had to
scan this health app everywhere

1694
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:22,440
we went.
And so that they can track, you

1695
01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:26,360
know, if you were within X
number of feet of somebody that

1696
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,440
happens to have COVID, you can
go anywhere.

1697
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:35,240
It was, it was pretty, it was
like everyday life had restored

1698
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,040
over there.
It was, it was rather bizarre

1699
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:42,440
for actually a cruise ship
musician that I knew had been

1700
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:44,720
living in Beijing for years,
years and years.

1701
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,320
And I had text him and said,
hey, I'm in Beijing.

1702
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,800
And his response to me was for
the embassy.

1703
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:57,960
Now I was just like, why do you?
Think no Universal Yeah, I was

1704
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:59,320
like.
The same thing, yeah.

1705
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,880
How did you get?
In the country, we're letting

1706
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,960
anybody in.
I'm here to work for Universal

1707
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,440
and he goes oh OK, that makes
sense.

1708
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:09,840
And I was like, what do you mean
he goes only them?

1709
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,040
And how was it Volkswagen?
Because they're building a

1710
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:15,320
plant.
So.

1711
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:21,480
There was no tourists in all of
China, but this random selection

1712
01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:24,840
of people that had obviously
lived there prior, but then this

1713
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:29,120
expat community of these people
from Universal and then this

1714
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:34,640
unit, this group of Germans that
was that was basically the

1715
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:38,680
extent of the non Chinese that
was in Beijing at the time that

1716
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,640
I was there.
It was wild.

1717
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:44,840
That was pretty wild, really.
I mean, I've been to Beijing and

1718
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,040
I, I loved it, but I.
Couldn't imagine it.

1719
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:52,760
I mean, you imagine Beijing with
no tourist like yeah, yeah, we.

1720
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,000
There was.
We found like the expat

1721
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:01,400
communities and one of the
things we really liked was we

1722
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,240
found different pub trivia
nights.

1723
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,920
And so we would go to these pub
trivia nights.

1724
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,600
So we'd meet these other expats
that were here for like other

1725
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,680
things.
Don't we be like, how, how is

1726
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:16,800
this even this is so bizarre.
Not not having other other

1727
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,200
expat, other foreigners, other
you're in a major, major city.

1728
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:23,800
We went and we would, we got
very, very, very few days off.

1729
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:28,840
We worked six days a week.
We did work very, very long

1730
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:30,880
hours.
And with the commute, it was

1731
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:35,760
basically a 13 hour day every
day if not more so.

1732
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,280
But.
When we would have a day.

1733
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,480
Off we would do excursions like
we did end up going to the Great

1734
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:46,160
Wall and we realized we had
hired a driver to get us there

1735
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,080
and all of this stuff and he
stayed and he was our guide.

1736
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,960
He actually took us to us to I
think an illegal part of the

1737
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:55,120
wall, but I mean, we were with
the driver, so I don't.

1738
01:45:55,120 --> 01:46:02,480
Anyway, you're on.
One of the most visited tourist

1739
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:05,960
spots in.
The world, yeah.

1740
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,920
And there.
Was like no, no foreigners.

1741
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,280
Was so bizarre.
I've been to the wall three

1742
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:17,120
times and the first time.
It was, I mean, there was lots

1743
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,040
of people and you know, I hate
people.

1744
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,440
I don't really, but I do.
That's why I hated it.

1745
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,120
Then we stayed overnight
literally in a little village

1746
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:30,240
down from the wall, got up at
like four or five in the morning

1747
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,840
to walk onto the wall before
this for the sunrise, but nobody

1748
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,720
was there.
It was only me and this, my

1749
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,240
friend Andrew that was
travelling with that was amazing

1750
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,600
seeing the wall empty.
So but knowing you was there

1751
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,520
like we've literally nobody
incredible.

1752
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:50,400
And I've also be fortunate
enough to go to, I can't

1753
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,240
remember the name of it, sorry,
but where the wall basically

1754
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,200
goes out into the sea, so where
it ends.

1755
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,120
So I've been there as well.
That is awesome.

1756
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,320
Yeah.
So that was really awesome.

1757
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:03,960
I.
Love China?

1758
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:06,400
Traveled around China on my own
for like a month.

1759
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:10,040
So I like, I loved it and
struggled really.

1760
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,560
I struggled like everywhere I
went, like 11 particular

1761
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,040
village, there were like nobody
would let me stay there.

1762
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,600
So nobody.
And I go to the hotels and they

1763
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:23,040
were like like scared of me.
Like really I was the only

1764
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:27,680
western girl walking around.
And then I got to one hotel and.

1765
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:31,200
I was like.
Please, like I need somewhere to

1766
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,320
stay.
Like I'm now getting desperate

1767
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:37,920
and they pick up the phone and
this man answers and I'm like

1768
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,040
hello?
And he's like what do you want?

1769
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,840
I was like I just need a room.
Like he said, OK, put me on.

1770
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,880
Obviously, he spoke Chinese.
And then they're like, OK, OK.

1771
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,800
It was like, how long do I said
I need it for two days.

1772
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,440
That's it.
And I was there going through to

1773
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,600
Vietnam.
But really there were certain

1774
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,640
points where, oh, I could talk
about that, but we've been we've

1775
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:01,520
been talking.
But yeah, it's it's actually I

1776
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:02,760
had the similar.
Thing.

1777
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,920
I.
So when I was leaving, I asked

1778
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,600
for I asked for eight days, I
asked for eight days to go

1779
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,800
travelling and I went to four
different places in eight days

1780
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:18,120
because I'm crazy like that and
I was on a plane, I think I was

1781
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:24,240
leaving Zanja J and I was going
to Chen do and this the

1782
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:25,920
stewardess came up to me and
she's.

1783
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,640
Like I need to see your.
Passport and I gave her my

1784
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,000
passport.
She's like, I need to see your

1785
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:30,640
QR code and I gave her my QR
code.

1786
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,440
She's like I need to see this QR
code and I gave her that QR

1787
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:34,760
code.
She was now I need to see the

1788
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,880
Green Arrow code.
And I gave her that and she

1789
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:40,520
turned to this group of people
that was basically like eyeing

1790
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:43,280
me.
And she basically spoke to them.

1791
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,120
And you'd see them look at her,
look at me and look at her and

1792
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,280
they would say something.
I could tell they were upset

1793
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:56,200
that I was on the plane.
And I was just like, fascinated.

1794
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:59,960
I don't know what to tell you.
I'm sitting here in my mask and

1795
01:48:59,960 --> 01:49:01,480
I've got all of my paperwork
filled.

1796
01:49:01,480 --> 01:49:05,080
And they she basically, you see,
you see her just look at him and

1797
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,160
tell her, like, point at me.
And, you know, I can almost

1798
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:11,320
imagine the conversation is she
has all the right paperwork to

1799
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:12,800
travel.
What do you want me to do?

1800
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,080
Yeah, really.
And then some of these.

1801
01:49:16,440 --> 01:49:17,920
Some of the villages they really
like.

1802
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:22,680
As I was travelling through that
they they just but also don't

1803
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:25,920
know how to even with my best
sign language, you know, they

1804
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,160
didn't understand me, you know
and scared.

1805
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,000
I, I I.
Felt, you know, I mean this.

1806
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,720
This again, I mean, I travelled,
that was years ago.

1807
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:38,000
That was at least 20 years ago,
you know, I, I did that.

1808
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:42,200
So I know again, things have
changed because things change.

1809
01:49:43,480 --> 01:49:46,680
But after after you, obviously
you had your exploring.

1810
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,280
At the end.
You managed to get out the

1811
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:51,280
country.
No, no, no worries there.

1812
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:55,200
Straight then into a world that
was coming out.

1813
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:59,120
And into.
A world of touring that was kind

1814
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:03,120
of happening, not happening.
And was your next gig the

1815
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,480
Marvel?
No, Marvel was actually Marvel

1816
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,440
was away.
Before that, that was that was a

1817
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:12,720
longest time ago.
So I came out of China and I

1818
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:16,040
then turned around and went and
installed video systems on a

1819
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,880
cruise ship in Italy for about a
month.

1820
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:22,640
And one of my friends that I
used.

1821
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:26,560
To work for now works.
For a company, a creative

1822
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:30,520
company and because of his
relations and what he did for

1823
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:34,680
Holland, they he basically was
able to get his company a

1824
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:37,560
contract and they handle all of
the video systems across the

1825
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,720
ships.
So then he was now hiring me as

1826
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,840
a contractor and go out there
and then now install these

1827
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,400
systems.
So I went out to Italy.

1828
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:52,120
And so Italy was still Italy had
more restrictions than China, if

1829
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,640
you can believe that.
Yeah, I can.

1830
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:55,320
Yeah.
I don't know.

1831
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:59,760
I can.
And then I basically.

1832
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:05,120
I remember flying back from.
Italy and I went immediately to

1833
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:10,120
I don't even think I think I
even had my flight changed.

1834
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:17,440
I did I from Italy to Nashville
to start Atlantis Prep and then

1835
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:23,000
I went out on Atlantis.
I was on one of the first tours

1836
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,520
to go out fully after the
pandemic.

1837
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:30,480
That was not country because
country tours kind of they

1838
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,640
stopped, but they didn't like
stop, stop.

1839
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:34,800
I didn't know that.
I didn't.

1840
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,360
I didn't know that part because.
I don't think in.

1841
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:41,240
America you had, I'm really, I
don't know, but there weren't as

1842
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:46,000
many restrictions as what we had
over here in Europe. the IT

1843
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,120
won't depend on where you were.
It definitely depend.

1844
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:52,680
On where you were, it definitely
depended on your state

1845
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,800
government and how your state
government felt.

1846
01:51:56,200 --> 01:52:03,600
So I mean, when I was still
stateside and I was in for, for

1847
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,880
a period of time during the
pandemic, I was in Chicago.

1848
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:07,640
It was, it was pretty locked
out.

1849
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,080
It was pretty much like there
was not a lot open.

1850
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:12,560
There's a lot of restricted
hours.

1851
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,240
There's a lot of you know, there
was definitely use everything

1852
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:19,280
you know, California.
Because in the middle.

1853
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,240
Of the pandemic, I actually
moved out to California because

1854
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:24,400
the filming industry was finding
a way to open up.

1855
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:28,240
And a friend of mine at the time
had had basically said you've

1856
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,280
always wanted to try to work on
the filming.

1857
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,800
This will be your time because
it's not going to conflict with

1858
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,640
touring, it's not going to
conflict with concerts.

1859
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,440
They're not coming back yet, but
the film industry and the TV

1860
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:44,800
industry was trying to find ways
around like to do protocols on

1861
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,000
time and that kind of stuff.
So I'd moved to Cali and out

1862
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:55,400
there it, it was, it was, I
don't want to say by that point

1863
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,360
things were, things were pretty
much open, but they were, of

1864
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:02,240
course, they were doing the
social distancing, they were

1865
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,160
doing the outside tables, they,
you know, that kind of stuff.

1866
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:09,680
But it wasn't like from like I
heard about in the UK where

1867
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:14,680
there was like police
checkpoints set up really.

1868
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,160
Even here in Crete like.
You know, we weren't allowed.

1869
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:21,840
Yeah, we weren't allowed.
I mean, OK, nobody.

1870
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,600
Nobody but they.
Actually, no, they did.

1871
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,280
Listen, they did listen.
It was me that didn't.

1872
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:27,520
And I went to the mountains
walking.

1873
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:33,160
But yeah.
It was, I mean, as we all know,

1874
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,040
you know if.
We were all affected in

1875
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:38,800
different ways, but I was like
more like as it was coming out.

1876
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,920
So after you'd got back from
China, things I think I believe

1877
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:45,320
like opened up a bit more in
America than it did for here.

1878
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:50,480
That's my memory of it.
But so after Alanis Morissette,

1879
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,480
like, what was the next thing
for you?

1880
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:56,480
John Mayer.
So.

1881
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:02,960
Oh no, no, no, I left Alanis.
I left Alanis and then I had.

1882
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:09,000
AI had to add a.
Oh.

1883
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,320
Shoot.
What did I do?

1884
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,600
I I.
Did Alanis.

1885
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:20,400
I came home.
I got put out on Carol GI ended

1886
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,560
up walking off Carol.
It's the only time I've ever

1887
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:24,720
walked off a tour.
Basically quit.

1888
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,640
I shouldn't say I walked off.
I actually quit.

1889
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:30,640
I was given an option and you
know, they basically said we're

1890
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:32,640
going to continue to do things
this way and you've got a

1891
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:33,680
problem with that.
You can go home.

1892
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:34,800
And I said I have a problem with
that.

1893
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:35,480
I'm going to go home.
OK.

1894
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:39,240
And it was, they were violating
COVID protocols that they said

1895
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:40,920
they were going to do.
They were putting people that

1896
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,280
were COVID positive on
commercial flights and they knew

1897
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,560
that they were COVID positive.
I remember you telling me this.

1898
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,080
When you came, you came.
You were telling me.

1899
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:49,680
This.
Yeah.

1900
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:51,840
And I was just, that was really
quiet.

1901
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:54,280
Well, I was in real I.
Was really much in.

1902
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:57,640
Shock because it was like the.
Industry had been shut down for

1903
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,520
18 months.
We finally come back, you know,

1904
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:04,920
and now you know, it just it
just seemed people on a.

1905
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:05,920
Commercial.
Flight.

1906
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:09,080
Yeah, it just seemed very.
Negligent and it was just one of

1907
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,680
those things where it was.
Like you don't know who who

1908
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,200
you're putting these people next
to.

1909
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,680
You might be putting these
people next to somebody that

1910
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:20,160
can't get the vaccine.
You know, somebody'd grandmother

1911
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:24,000
that for whatever her situation
is, you know, it just it just

1912
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,560
seemed to really it was there
was a whole lot of other things.

1913
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,720
That was one of the main, that
was what the the meeting was

1914
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,800
about.
But this was coming up on,

1915
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,880
believe me, a laundry list of
insanity.

1916
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:39,520
That door was insane.
There was so much in this door

1917
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:43,240
that I just remember saying this
is nuts, you know?

1918
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:47,240
So when they basically gave me
an out, I was like, that's fine.

1919
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:49,920
I I don't need to be here.
I don't need to do this one.

1920
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:52,680
And I came home and I went to
the desert.

1921
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:58,840
I did the soundstorm for 20/21.
And so that gave me an

1922
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,240
interesting.
Perspective on.

1923
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:04,680
Being a part of like the more
again, the more creative side of

1924
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,120
things, the side of things
instead of the more technical

1925
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:12,240
side of things.
And then I started 20220 right

1926
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:17,360
from home.
I was asked to fill in for the

1927
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:21,800
D3 op on Lizzo.
And so I met the Lizzo camp at

1928
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:27,920
for New Year's of that year and
that would lead me to work for

1929
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:32,960
Lizza for the special tour for
when it started up at the end of

1930
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:37,960
2022 and into 2023.
So I think you kind of knew that

1931
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:40,080
you was getting it, but when you
was in creep with me, he was

1932
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:41,840
like.
And it was like.

1933
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,760
And actually 1 of Lizzo's song
came on the other.

1934
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,640
Day and because I knew I was
going to see you, but it all.

1935
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,520
There's certain songs, you
remind me, but also I was like

1936
01:56:55,880 --> 01:57:04,840
dancing.
So really, because now we have

1937
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,440
and I knew this was going to be
a.

1938
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:08,560
Long chat, literally I think
we've nearly been about two

1939
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,000
hours.
Sorry guys, but you can pause

1940
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:16,640
this at any point if you haven't
already, but I mean not just say

1941
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:20,040
for the ladies, but in the
industry.

1942
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:25,520
Is there anything you can?
Is there any guidance?

1943
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:28,120
You can give anybody you know
whether it's believe.

1944
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:31,040
In yourself or take every
opportunity like what's what's

1945
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:35,600
your advice to anybody out there
that wants to get into the

1946
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,560
industry Yeah.
What would you, what would you

1947
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:41,600
say to anybody out there?
I guess I you.

1948
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,240
Know what it's like?
Advice to people trying to get

1949
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,480
into.
The industry take everything

1950
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,760
that you can possibly get
because you don't know exactly

1951
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:52,400
what you're going to like.
You know, the other thing is

1952
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:56,240
learn to be very flexible.
So it's like if you look at all

1953
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:59,480
of these different things, we're
talking about my I've not

1954
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:01,960
necessarily stayed with one
thing and I don't necessarily

1955
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:05,480
plan to stay with one thing.
And it's mainly because it gives

1956
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:07,080
a completely different
perspective.

1957
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:12,320
I went and did a Broadway tryout
in 2022.

1958
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,080
So it's like I'm working in a
theater.

1959
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:18,000
And I did that right after I
went and did two months of ship

1960
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:22,320
installs, which I did right
after I had done a concert tour,

1961
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:24,520
which then led to another
concert tour.

1962
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:29,840
And like actually at the end of
in our, at the end of this, we

1963
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,640
have a month off before we go to
Australia.

1964
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:34,240
I'm going to go back to
Universal because they called me

1965
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,520
and they want me to help with
one of their shows that they're

1966
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:42,440
installing an epic in Orlando.
So it's like be open to people

1967
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:44,800
that call you because one,
you're never going to know where

1968
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:46,320
your next gig is going to come
from.

1969
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:50,080
You're never going to know how
you're going to get there.

1970
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:58,720
Do not be do not be married to
this idea of you need to be.

1971
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:00,920
You need to follow these.
Steps to do this or?

1972
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:05,560
You need to do go this way.
I think one of the best things I

1973
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:08,280
ever heard was a.
Pilot is off.

1974
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:12,080
Course, 90% of the time I
thought that was really cool.

1975
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:16,080
An actual airline pilot, like
the plane doesn't stay on the

1976
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:21,640
track, you know it.
Yeah, just like a little bit,

1977
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,720
yeah.
And and that's kind.

1978
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,400
Of the thing I.
Also, don't be afraid of the

1979
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:30,560
word no.
I've got that, yeah.

1980
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,160
That to use it and.
To be told it.

1981
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,920
Yeah, yeah.
Because I think, I think there's

1982
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:41,240
so many people in this.
World that are oh if I'm call

1983
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,240
call this person and I asked for
this they're just going to say

1984
01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:47,800
no sure they might or they might
not you know or they might say

1985
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:50,640
no this time but remember that
you were interested in this

1986
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:55,760
thing call you the next time you
know or a no might actually be a

1987
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:57,800
really good thing and no might
be a really good thing because

1988
01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:01,720
it could lead to something that
somebody will say yes to so it's

1989
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:05,600
like I.
I think like people, I've got no

1990
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,200
problem.
Call cold calling.

1991
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:12,120
People or cold emailing people
cuz especially as a freelancer,

1992
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,960
being a freelancer is definitely
not for everybody.

1993
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,560
There's a lot of anxiety that
goes with being a freelancer

1994
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,720
here.
I know everything you know

1995
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,760
there's, there is.
There's a ton of.

1996
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,920
Anxiety that sits.
With some of these, and it

1997
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:33,160
doesn't matter if you've been in
this industry for a year or 20

1998
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:37,920
years, you know, I talked to I
talked to industry Titans,

1999
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:41,080
people that you would never
think that would be like.

2000
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:43,640
And they have the same
freelancer freak out that we all

2001
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:46,920
do when we're not really sure
what's going to happen next.

2002
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,480
But don't be afraid to like,
just write an e-mail to

2003
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:52,800
somebody.
And be like, hey.

2004
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:56,160
You know either somebody you
know or some.

2005
02:00:56,280 --> 02:01:01,320
I got your info from SO and SO
and I'm looking to do this.

2006
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:04,800
I would love to work with your
camp, you know, if you have

2007
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:06,760
anything available, please let
me know.

2008
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,600
Yeah.
The other thing is it's like,

2009
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:11,600
especially once you've spent.
Time in the.

2010
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:14,680
Industry people think that
you're and if you're any good,

2011
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,480
people think you're busy.
So it's like you don't get the

2012
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:20,480
phone calls all the time because
people think like you're you're

2013
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:23,480
always working.
You know, I can't tell you how

2014
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:25,920
many times I get phone calls now
that it's like, Hey, what's

2015
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,280
you're out on right now?
It's never are you home?

2016
02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:32,160
Are you out on, you know, it's
like.

2017
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:33,440
This.
Has already been.

2018
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:37,600
Made and so it which actually is
really.

2019
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:39,400
That.
Is a brilliant that's.

2020
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:44,560
Brilliant, actually excellent
advice because just because you

2021
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:46,600
make maybe you are home.
But then that's when the

2022
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:48,840
anxiety.
Sets in, but people think you're

2023
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:49,880
out.
Yeah.

2024
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:51,920
I mean, literally, people think
you're out and about.

2025
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:55,520
I mean, even just here being in
Crete, you know, you know, I

2026
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,400
make all my little videos around
everywhere, whenever I see

2027
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:01,320
anybody they're like, you know,
you're always out and about and

2028
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:04,040
I'm like, I'm, I'm actually
right.

2029
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,680
I haven't been out for for one
month now at least.

2030
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:10,360
Yeah, I'm actually here like, I
mean, yeah, and.

2031
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:12,800
Then like but I saw I said yeah
because I post.

2032
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:17,000
Things like after or I do stuff
this, that and the other like.

2033
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:20,360
It's the same with work, you
know, people presume that.

2034
02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:23,800
You're out.
On a gig, but they don't.

2035
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:26,800
So send that e-mail, call
somebody up, say I'm free.

2036
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:30,600
You know, maybe don't put it on
social media because then, you

2037
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:31,800
know, you might get the bad
name.

2038
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:38,240
Like I'm free but but it is.
It's like you can casually.

2039
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:39,680
You know it's.
Like.

2040
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:43,960
I was talking about it the other
day, you know, it'll be we're.

2041
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,800
Not for.
For Hozier, it's unclear of

2042
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:48,400
what's going to happen with him
for next year.

2043
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:52,800
So it's like, right, OK, you
know, so it's like you have to

2044
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:56,520
start thinking about when do I
want to start putting feelers

2045
02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:59,000
out again and be like, hey, do
you know of anybody that's

2046
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:02,280
looking for so and so around
this time?

2047
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:08,720
That's just how it is.
Remember when I and when the

2048
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:12,000
Parnelli skip had called me?
To congratulate.

2049
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:14,440
Me, it was so sweet.
And he said, and now be prepared

2050
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:17,920
for nobody to call you for about
two years because they think

2051
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,400
you're busy.
And I was just like, that's not

2052
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:23,120
a good gift.
When did you win?

2053
02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:24,520
When did you win the award?
That's.

2054
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:25,600
Amazing.
When was that?

2055
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:27,640
But.
It's funny thing.

2056
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:29,520
Is if you think about the logic.
It's.

2057
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,560
True.
It's like people assume, you

2058
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:35,840
know, and especially in this
industry, if people are trying

2059
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:38,880
to fill a gig or they're, you
know, time is very important.

2060
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:42,280
Time is our biggest commodity,
biggest commodity.

2061
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:46,320
And if you're a production
manager, you're a designer.

2062
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:47,920
You're anything.
You're not going to call a bunch

2063
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:49,720
of people that you were just
like, why am I going to call

2064
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:51,160
them?
They're going to be busy, you

2065
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:53,480
know?
So it's like you have to think

2066
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:55,800
of it from their perspective as
well.

2067
02:03:56,240 --> 02:04:00,280
So don't I?
I do think that people are

2068
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:02,720
terrified of the word no, and
they're terrified.

2069
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:04,560
Of that.
Type of rejection because they

2070
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:07,680
think like that.
No, is like a solid don't ever

2071
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:11,280
freaking call me again.
Now, if they say that that's one

2072
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:15,840
thing across that yet where you
call somebody up and you say,

2073
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:19,400
hey, you know, D, are you or
anybody, you know currently

2074
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:23,440
looking for somebody that had
that has XY and Z skills, you

2075
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:27,000
know, and they say but not here
exactly.

2076
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:39,560
You can cry.
But yeah, here in the word no,

2077
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:41,160
here in the word no can be a
positive.

2078
02:04:41,160 --> 02:04:44,640
Thing you know.
Like no, not moment or like you

2079
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:46,400
said, but now you're on my
radar.

2080
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:51,160
I'll keep you in mind.
And I also think, like I said

2081
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:55,320
earlier, like it on the flip
side of it, it's OK to say no as

2082
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,720
well.
You know, so many people, they

2083
02:04:57,760 --> 02:05:01,240
they, they take on too much
because they can't say no.

2084
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:03,760
Or if they say no, they think
they'll never get asked again.

2085
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:07,800
You will get asked again.
You know, you say no, sorry, I

2086
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:11,120
can't at the moment.
But, you know, keep me, keep me

2087
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:12,800
in mind for not for something
else.

2088
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:15,920
You have it, you know, So no, no
is a good word.

2089
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:19,840
No can be a very good example of
Chris going to say real.

2090
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:24,440
Quick, real quick.
No, no, no, is I was actually.

2091
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:39,280
Sorry, I love it when I took.
Hozier I was actually before it

2092
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:42,160
was confirmed, I was up for a
different job and I really

2093
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:47,280
wanted it.
And what happened was basically

2094
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:49,080
the the production manager was
for it.

2095
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:51,800
It was the designers.
The designers wanted a director

2096
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:52,800
that they knew and they worked
with.

2097
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:55,440
They had never worked with me.
So I was told no.

2098
02:05:56,200 --> 02:06:00,080
Well, that tour got cancelled
and I've been going with this

2099
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:04,000
group for a year.
So sometimes I know it could be

2100
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:07,400
very serendipitous.
It, you know, a note could be

2101
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:11,720
something that you don't realize
why you're getting that now, you

2102
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:16,000
know?
Yeah, no, well that.

2103
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:17,520
Is.
So that's luck.

2104
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:18,560
That's.
Shit, really?

2105
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:22,480
That's that's Jose.
Make sure you go out next.

2106
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:26,320
Year if not.
She's going to be free, guys.

2107
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:34,040
She's going to be free.
I have to go decorate the thing

2108
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:35,480
I have.
Yeah.

2109
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:37,480
I could wait.
But I've always.

2110
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:40,120
Got to hear from you as well.
That remember that you're here

2111
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:43,120
for you and it's up to you to
make your own opportunities.

2112
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:47,880
And the best thing that you sent
me was remember that a lion

2113
02:06:47,880 --> 02:06:50,800
never has to tell you it's a
lion.

2114
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:54,800
And you, my love, you, my love,
are my lion.

2115
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:57,760
Because literally, no, you are.
You are.

2116
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,760
You know exactly who you are.
You know exactly where you want

2117
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:03,560
to be.
You know exactly where in fact,

2118
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:06,640
going right back on to this
podcast, you mentioned, like you

2119
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:08,640
know, your your ex-boyfriend on
the cruise lineup.

2120
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:12,600
You know, he didn't want to go
to the the show, but you did.

2121
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:15,280
Now you didn't go OK, I'll come
with you.

2122
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:18,480
He was like, no, I'm going to
the show like you know you and

2123
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:21,880
you knew what you want and that
is where you are today.

2124
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:26,920
That couldn't be prouder of you
for absolutely everything,

2125
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:30,800
really everything, and I just
wanted one last thing from me,

2126
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,840
but I didn't say I said you like
the guest form to fill out.

2127
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:36,480
I mean I knew everything about
you anyway, but you know, it

2128
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,400
just comes harm part with what I
do.

2129
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,520
But then I was like the very
first question is like, you

2130
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:43,920
know, the two or three things
you'd like to talk about and I

2131
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:47,200
just got it's like travelling
animals, especially way to help

2132
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:49,200
the homeless pets.
I was like, darling, we're

2133
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:51,800
talking about you and your
career, but we can talk about

2134
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:55,360
animals if you want.
We can talk about.

2135
02:07:57,720 --> 02:07:59,200
I do I.
Have I have my?

2136
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:04,360
Baby zoo here, there are only
222 dogs, but there's quite a

2137
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:08,280
few cats right now and as you
know, I always try and help as

2138
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:15,120
many as I can around here.
So yeah, no, he died.

2139
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:16,480
Sorry, Victor.
Died.

2140
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:22,080
Yeah, yeah.
He died.

2141
02:08:23,720 --> 02:08:26,160
Yeah, I did.
I had a special he had.

2142
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:28,560
He couldn't walk.
Properly bless him, but he got

2143
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,160
an infection because he did so
he died.

2144
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:35,080
But don't worry, we then adopted
another family.

2145
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,840
So we've got more.
And it's always very sad when

2146
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:40,480
you lose them here.
But it's kind of like it's a

2147
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:44,760
tough world here, not only for
us humans, but it's really tough

2148
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:47,080
for the animals.
But like I said, I try and do as

2149
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:52,080
much as I can travelling.
I don't do so much anymore off

2150
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,320
the island.
In fact, the last week was the

2151
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,400
first time I left the island in
two years.

2152
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:59,680
Two years.
That's crazy.

2153
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:02,040
I know.
I really.

2154
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,120
And that goes from me, who
literally.

2155
02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:08,040
Like you, you know, always
travelling all my life and then

2156
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:10,520
now I'm just like, yeah, I'm
fine.

2157
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:11,440
I'm not.
I don't.

2158
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:13,560
I don't leave the.
Island.

2159
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:18,680
But I may be going to though you
know you're it is.

2160
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:22,800
It is lovely, I do.
And I don't know where you're

2161
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:27,640
going to be, but I'm hoping that
I'm going to be in Las Vegas in

2162
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:31,200
December for LDI, OK?
I don't know if you're going to

2163
02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:32,680
be around.
I don't know if you're going to

2164
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:33,760
be around.
But we'll keep in.

2165
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,520
Touch.
Anyway, we'll definitely keep in

2166
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:38,240
touch.
I have to go to Universal for I.

2167
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:40,880
Think a week in December at some
point, but I'm not sure when

2168
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:44,960
we'll tell them that you can't
go the first.

2169
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:48,720
Of the around about the 10th, No
8th to the 10th you have to be

2170
02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:50,760
in last week.
OK, perfect.

2171
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:52,920
Good evening.
It has been.

2172
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:55,120
It's so.
Wonderful to talk to you, I.

2173
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,720
Love seeing you.
Thank you so much for being part

2174
02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:02,920
of the leading ladies and I
can't wait to see you soon.

2175
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:07,320
I can't wait in person soon.
Yes, in person.

2176
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:08,360
Yeah, bye.