#226 - Steven Creech Anderson

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So I always like to come on here
and do an intro that's all kinds

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of ingenious, brilliant things
to say, which usually I don't

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say anything very ingenious or
brilliant, but I got nothing

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today.
I have no ideas of stuff to talk

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about.
So I'm just going to go ahead

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and read the bio for today's
guest who is a person on who I

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like a whole lot and probably
all of you know know of have

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heard of read his posts on
Facebook and so Steven Creech

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Anderson has been in the
industry for over 40 years.

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Steven started as a stagehand in
Dallas and his first gig was

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with Mötley Crüe in 1985.
His career kept on getting

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better and better, working with
incredible artists such as

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Metallica, Scorpions, Rush,
Elton John, Bob Seger and

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Aerosmith to name just a few
with premier global production

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company.
For 21 years now Steven has

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applied a hands on approach to
each lighting project he has

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been involved with.
Customer service is the most

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important aspect of our industry
and with his passion he has been

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able to succeed when he's not
under the lights and visiting

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clients.
Creech can be found in the ocean

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following his other passions,
scuba diving and also

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photography, photographing
sharks and other marine life in

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particular.
I've had the pleasure to have

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Steven on the show back in
October of 2019, so I am

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absolutely looking forward to
today's chat.

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Yeah, I've got two now. 2
grandkids.

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Yeah, by the by, you know, So
when I got remarried, I married

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a woman who had four kids
already and one of them was all,

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not all.
The oldest one has two, two

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kids, so.
And they're just two and four,

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so they call me Grandpa Creech.
I've been calling you that for

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years, by the way.
We're recording now.

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That's cool.
We're recording.

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It's a party.
Even Sarah's on.

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Jeez, Sarah's never on the
recording.

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I I got to tell you, Marcel, I
lucked out when I when I got

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remarried, I met the right
woman.

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Uh oh, Nurse did that?
Yeah.

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And then three.
Hang on a SEC.

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We got an Internet problem.
Kick ass kids and.

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OK, Now we're really recording.
We had a test.

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We had a test recording actually
it, you know, this happens like

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this is, this is the challenge
of having a remote podcast.

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So yesterday or actually this
morning, I think it launched.

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But Eric Wade, I had Eric Wade
on and we did 1/2 hour of

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talking and I look at the screen
and it says paused.

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It's flashing in red.
Paused.

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And I'm 30 minutes in and I'm
like no.

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And I have no idea how it
happened because it started and

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then it paused itself somehow.
Maybe I hit a space bar or

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something by accident.
I have no idea.

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But so I mean we finished it and
and I told him and and I'm like

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it's a little shorter than I
thought it was going to be and

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we have that, remember that.
Great talk we had, it's.

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Gone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's happened a few times.
The the Eric Loader one is the

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classic one when he recorded on
his 50th birthday and it was the

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morning of his 50th birthday and
he was getting ready to go play

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golf and we recorded a podcast
cuz he said you're not a geezer

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till you're 50.
And so we record this amazing

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like 90 minute talk or whatever
maybe even 2 hours.

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And I go, Eric, I got a problem
and he goes, what?

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And I said I forgot to hit
record.

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So it was it was a 2 hour
discussion that just went to.

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So you know how nice Eric is.
Eric goes, Oh well let me go

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take a leak and grab another
coffee and we'll just do it

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again.
I'm like, are you kidding me?

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On your 50th birthday holding up
your tea time and you're just

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going to record it again.
And he goes, Yeah, why not?

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So that's that's how he is.
Yeah, he's a nice guy.

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He's he's probably the the
opposite of me.

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He never gets riled up.
He never gets excited.

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He doesn't get anxious like me
and you.

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I guess you're you're probably
me time 7 so.

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As I've gotten older, I've just,
you know, I I I just slowed

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down.
My dad used to say the hurrier I

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get, the more behind I fall.
He was fucking right.

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Yeah, that's true.
That's true.

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My wife gets mad at me in the
air airport when I get on the

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escalator thing.
She's like speed walking down on

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the right on the left hand side.
I'm leaning on the goddamn rail.

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He's going.
She gets to the very end.

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She's like, she's got hands
around.

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I'm like I'm I'm not moving
fast.

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I'm with.
I'm with her.

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Honestly, I can't slow myself
down yet.

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Maybe I just need to get a
little older still and and I'll

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slow it down I'll I'll just.
Kind of make sure my layovers

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have plenty.
That's hilarious.

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Yeah.
No, I'm.

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I'm always in a hurry and I
think I've started changing a

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little bit, You know, I think
I've, I've taken a little more

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time and you know, breathe a
little more and stuff.

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But you know, it's just hard.
I mean I'm a type.

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I'm go, go, go, go, go.
You know, I'm always saying yes.

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Everyone says, hey, does anybody
have time to take care of this

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one thing we need to get done?
Yeah, I'll do it.

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I'll no problem, I'll do it, you
know.

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And my girlfriend just looks at
me, cuz I was actually, it was

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Sarah, our producer.
I was talking to her about

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something.
We need to record a whole bunch

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of these short YouTube videos.
And I said no problem, I'll just

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take a couple hours and do it on
the weekend.

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And she's looking at me like
you're an idiot.

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You know, you just keep stacking
up.

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Your days, whether it's Sunday
or Tuesday don't matter.

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You're just stacking it,
stacking it up, stacking it up.

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So you know, I got the
background from your Pantera

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show that I didn't see the show
because my my buddy Creech

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didn't tell me it was coming.
But I guess I kind of need to

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actually pay attention to what's
coming.

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But now you open down here in
Fort Lauderdale, that's.

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A good one.
We just picked that up this year

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and they changed management.
So now it's with Q Prime and we

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to a lot of lot of the Q prime
acts.

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Yeah, yeah.
They were always with, Weren't

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they Always with, with Terry
Kane and Gemini.

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Yeah, which is you know, I mean
I know Jason, I've known Terry

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for years.
I've known Jason for years and I

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felt kind of it was a weird
feeling for me.

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But then again business is
business.

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Yeah.
And you have to, you have to be

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able to, as in everything else
in in this business, you have to

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find, you get to a point where
you can separate your personal

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life.
Yeah, from work.

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So.
It's hard to do.

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It's hard to do, you know, like
I was always in the moving light

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business and and I had really
good friends that worked at at

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competitors and even if you were
spotted having a beer at a bar

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at at LDI or something, people
freaked out, you know.

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And so yeah, it's hard to have
friends who are competitors.

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I mean, you know, we all do, but
it's it's not easy.

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To maintain a.
Resolution.

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It's great until you take one of
their shows or they take one of

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yours.
You know he.

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Probably won't talk to me ever
again, but yeah, Brian Hartley

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and Sonny Sutter Field did a
great job with it.

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Chris Adamson, a friend of mine
from way back, is a production

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manager.
Yeah, and wow, it's a it's AI.

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Guess I'm old.
The music.

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They sound fucking kick ass.
Yeah, the band does.

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The show looks great.
Lamb of God is just loud.

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Yeah, they really are.
They did a show called like

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Gargantuan or something a few
years back, and Dream Theater

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was on it.
And I like Dream Theater.

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So I went to see Dream Theater
and I saw Lamb of God, and I was

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like, what the hell is this?
There's a lot of energy there.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Bless.
Bless their hearts.

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Yeah.
Well, you know, and OK, so you,

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you got the show from Gemini.
But The thing is they probably

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never would have changed
lighting companies if they

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didn't change management and
you're doing Q Prime, a lot of Q

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Prime stuff.
So they called you up and said,

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hey Creech, we need you to take
care of this.

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What are you going to do, say
no, I like the guys at Gemini,

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you can't do that.
Yeah, you.

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Can't do that.
No, no.

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So it it came our way and we
their big thing with these these

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floor towers across the back of
the amp line and we ended up

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know Jim and I had some stuff
custom made for that.

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Well we kind of did the same
thing, kind of duplicated but

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not so much a little different.
So actually ours now, which will

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now go into our rental inventory
when this tour is over, crank 24

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feet high.
Oh, wow.

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And there's only went like 8
feet or sorry, 13 feet high.

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So we've added the whole another
piece of equipment, which isn't

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it pretty cool?
Well, God knows as as the way

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this industry's been going,
Pantera could be doing stadiums

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next year and you could use them
again.

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I mean, everybody does stadiums
now.

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Stadiums are the new theater.
Yeah, that's right.

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It's, it's the new shed.
Stadiums are the new shed.

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Yeah, it's crazy.
But we we're, we're, we got a

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lot going on here, you know, I
mean, we just shut Stapleton out

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and oh.
That's a good one.

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Disturbed.
We got disturbed out.

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They're actually here in town
this weekend and then what else

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we get fixing to have, you know,
Lynyrd Skynyrd's going out, Luke

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Combs sticks and and Foreigner
Foreigner on their own.

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We we're getting ready to ship
out next week.

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And this is supposedly their
final tour now, right?

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Yeah, they.
Well, that's what they all say.

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Right, everyone, you got to say,
suppose, I mean foreigners

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already a cover band.
So for foreigners already a

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cover band.
Like there's no original members

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in it.
So who says they're going to

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retire?
Somebody else will scrape off

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the name, dust it off and kick
out a new band.

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Yeah.
I have stain go.

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They're going out as well in
April.

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So yeah, we've got some good,
some killer stuff going on,

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right?
But.

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You know Alec is getting ready
to crank up Chili Peppers or

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Chili Peppers I think rolled out
the other day.

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So yeah, some days I I work from
I I spend a lot of time at home.

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Good for.
You It's easy to get stuff done,

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so it's coming up on that time,
Marcel, for me to head down to

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Fort Lauderdale for the Sharks,
but.

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There you go.
I want to talk about that maybe.

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Sometime in April.
Going over, that's cool.

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We'll have to.
I want to talk about that

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because that's that's all really
interesting, that stuff you do.

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But going back to that, so am I
wrong?

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Or as the touring season moved
earlier, because like I remember

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when not much happened in
January, February and spring

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stuff started going out in March
or April, but now all of a

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sudden, like everything's going
out in January or February.

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Well, it's weird.
I know that the Pantera thing

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was there are makeup shows that
were booked.

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OK.
By the old management.

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So they had to go out and do
those, yeah, Disturbed.

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I'm not sure, I'm not really
sure, but I know the Pantera

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from here goes down to
Australia.

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So and then they start back up
with Metallica.

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So yeah, maybe.
I mean, country stuff always

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does usually start kicking in
around January, February.

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Like we have Lee Brice out and
Riley Green, those, those those

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guys usually start about now.
Yeah, right.

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But the other stuff, yeah, it's.
Yeah.

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I think everybody saw they made
a lot of money.

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A lot of people made a lot of
money last year.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And I think there's still the
heat is on.

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And it, yeah, it seems to keep
growing.

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And and, you know, I keep
referencing, I don't know if

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you've seen it or not, but
Rapinoe from from Live Nation

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put out an article about the
fact that that he said artists,

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a lot of these artists now have
10 or 15 or 20 million followers

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on social media.
And he said, he said everyone's

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wondering if there's still
growth in our industry.

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He said my job is easy.
All I have to do is sell tickets

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to like 5% of their followers.
Yeah, you know, which is true.

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I mean, 'cause there's so damn
many of them.

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So if if you only have to sell
tickets to 5% of their rabid

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followers on social media.
Pretty good and easy work, yeah?

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So I never looked at it like
that, but.

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Jelly Roll.
Yeah.

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He has got a huge following on
YouTube and all over social

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media for that matter and along
with his wife, his wife has her

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own meet and greet.
Get out of here.

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I swear it is.
I mean, it is it.

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They're a great camp.
Yeah, that's just and that's

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that's so.
Wild out there.

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That's wild.
Well, wasn't.

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Wasn't Morgan Wallen like that
too?

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Like didn't Wasn't he an online
Got famous online 1st and then.

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There's a few of them that have
been, you know, that are that

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same way.
So I don't know.

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I mean, I always say that this
telephone, this cell phone right

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here is the root of all evil.
All of our problems came on.

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Yeah.
When they came up with this

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crazy thing.
But not have it.

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I know a lot of ex husbands who
wish that there was no such

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thing as a cell phone.
You know, how many people do you

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know who got caught?
You know, either on Facebook or

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on something on their texting or
something?

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You know, the damned before cell
phones, it was like just make

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sure you had no notes in your
pockets.

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You know, when you walk back in
the house.

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Like, no phone numbers.
It sketched on a napkin or

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something, right?
But yeah, exactly.

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Cell phones, cell phones.
Changed it all.

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We were doomed right from the
beginning with cell phones,

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that's for sure.
Yeah, but I was.

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Talking with some guys the other
day and we were talking about

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how in the old days, you know,
you you get back on the bus at

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night or get on the bus in the
morning and and you talk about

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all the chicks you banged and
all that stuff, you know, and

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all crazy shit.
Yeah.

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Now we get on.
Now they get on the bus and they

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talk about, yeah, I got to go
get a knee replacement.

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Yeah, I got a bad hip or which
guy?

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You remember that guy?
Oh yeah, he died.

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Yeah, which which vitamins
you're taking with your warm

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milk at night, you know?
That's Bus pod mode.

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Yeah, I know.
It's funny, isn't it?

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2024.
Things have changed a wee bit.

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Well, you know The funny thing?
Like I was talking to someone

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about this the other day on one
of our podcasts that, you know,

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honestly, people like you and
Wiseman and Robert Roth and, you

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know, Kerbishly and like the,
you know, Nick Jackson, the real

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originals of of sort of the
account execs in this industry

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and stuff, they don't make you
guys anymore.

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So where's that gonna come from?
You know, like where?

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Where are all the cool people
going to come from, 'cause I

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don't see a lot of them coming
up.

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Mentoring.
Yeah, you know, yeah.

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I I see a lot of the news.
It's crazy.

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But I see a lot of these new,
the new kids coming up.

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Yeah.
You know instead of instead of

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talking to us and and hearing
what we have and what we've done

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and where we've been and where
we think we're going, they're

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telling us how, how to do it.
And and that's what I don't know

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if they've been taught that at
Belmont or wherever they're

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going music schools, but you
don't.

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You ain't got it until you've
done it all, you know.

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And unfortunately that's not the
way that we're rolling.

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I've got a mentoring for a while
and they're, they're really good

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guys and and hopefully those
guys are going to be some of

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those that move into the slots.
We're not, you know?

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Yeah.
Let's hope so.

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I'm not going anywhere for a
while, I'll tell you that,

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right?
Now Well, and Roth just

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restarted his career, now with
four Wall, I was like.

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Dude, 12 lives.
Yeah, you're turning 70 this

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year.
What the hell are you doing?

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Starting out again.
And he goes, oh man, I ain't

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stopping.
No, you're still having a good

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time, you know.
Exactly why stop?

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We we figured out a way to you
know I still have a good time

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and there's nothing better than
working on a project from from

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the get go and to you get to the
see the end product right there.

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You know the final product.
You know it's like I I was we

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had Bette Midler back in I think
it was 2006 and I was out at

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rehearsals and I'm seeing this
woman walking back and forth.

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You know she's got a big bag
she's carrying.

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She looked like, she looked like
she was homeless and everybody's

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got Bette.
Bette Midler.

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I go what?
No way.

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All right.
So she could.

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I I tried to stay away from the
rehearsal stay out of the way.

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Right.
Wouldn't really paying

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attention.
So I ended up going to the

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opening night and and and
Chicago.

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It's the what What's the name of
the fucking the United Center I

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guess is where.
Yeah.

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And they had.
She can't.

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It's so her shows kick ass.
Peter Morris fucking smoked it.

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I mean, great job.
She comes around the outside of

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a curtain, proscenium curtain on
a a carousel horse.

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I mean, all dolled up with a
fucking sailor hat on.

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It was, it was awesome.
And I was like, holy fuck,

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that's the bag lady.
That's hilarious.

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That is hilarious.
That's the bag lady.

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Oh my God.
That's so funny.

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That's so funny.
That's like I was on AI mean.

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This is not at all related, but
I'll tell you anyways.

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I was on a flight with with my
son when he was, I don't know,

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five years old or something.
Right, Right.

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We got upgraded to 1st class.
We were probably going up to the

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house in Canada or something.
And so we're sitting in what he

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called the big seats.
Dad, are we in the big seats

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today?
And so the plane is loading and

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this large African American
woman is walking on the plane,

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if that's correct, way to say
it.

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Sorry, but she's she's walking
on the plane.

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And and Jeremy, Jeremy, my son
starts going, dad, dad, Dad.

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And I'm like, oh God, what's he
going to say?

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Dad, Dad, Dad.
And I go, what?

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Jeremy?
And he goes, that's the lady

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from the pancake syrup and the
whole first class.

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And the lady just cracked up.
They lost it.

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Right.
So yeah, that could have gone a

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bad direction.
Sorry.

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You're going to have to leave
the plane with your with your

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bigot, son.
You're going to have to leave

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the plane.
Yeah, but no.

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Everyone, everyone took it for
the for the funny moment that it

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was.
Well you know, like 5 year old

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kids.
All they know is whatever the

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truth is, right?
Like they don't know why yet.

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Thank God.
Maybe that's when we should

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elect them to.
Like sponges, right?

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We should elect 5 year olds to
run the country.

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They couldn't do much.
Work.

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I think we might have that.
Yeah, yeah.

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Is he already up to five?
Yeah, yeah, we'll get there.

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We'll get into some politics
here today.

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Yeah.
Me, me and Creech are going to

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venture into some politics.
We'll have some fun.

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I.
Love it.

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Yeah.
So the year is looking huge for

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you I guess, right?
Yeah, yeah, we're we're looking

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really good.
We had a stellar year last year

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and and I think it we're on
track to have the same thing, if

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not better this year.
That's incredible.

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Good for you.
Man, yeah, good for you.

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Yeah, we're happy.
We're happy.

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We added on to part of our
building so we got more room now

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and and we have a rehearsal room
here, got lots of power and you

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know we've done quite a quite a
few touring, rehearsals and

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programming here so.
How big can you how how big can

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you go in rehearsals?
Well, we've had, let's see, we

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had sticks do their whole thing
here.

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We had Skinner do their whole
show here.

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Oh wow.
Those.

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Are.
Decent sized shows.

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Yeah, 3 Doors Down.
And of course, during COVID.

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Yeah.
During the locked, every

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shutdown we had, we turned our
rehearsal room into a sound

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stage and that helped pull one.
It did a couple things.

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It gave a few guys a job so that
they had work, you know, and

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they had money coming in, then
had families and and it kept it

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just kept the wheels rolling,
kept us all in tune, but we

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turned it into a sound station
like we had the iheart Music

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festival.
Yeah.

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So they came in and filmed, we
put ATV truck on the dock, had

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an in house lighting big
lighting system, you know we had

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the all the inventory was in.
Right.

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Yeah, nothing out.
And then we we joined up with a

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video company and we joined up
with a with sound image.

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I think it's who it was in in
here and it was awesome, you

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know, we did quite a quite a bit
there, so yeah.

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Good, that's cool.
I mean I one of the things about

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our industry is is you know
we're we're an innovative

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industry and it was cool to see
some of the, you know, the

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so-called pivots that companies
did or basically just ways to

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stay alive during you know,
during that Friggin disaster.

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Of COVID.
It's crazy.

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Yeah, I hope that never happens
again.

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I hate to even talk about it,
'cause I'm so entirely a sick of

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it.
I hated it while it was

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happening.
You and I obviously are

451
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,080
relatively politically aligned,
so we didn't like the way a lot

452
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,600
of it went down.
So yeah.

453
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,600
When that was going on, Troy
said to To some of us that, I

454
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,880
mean, I'm, I'm working on Year
24 here, yeah, he said.

455
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,920
Just stay in touch with
everybody.

456
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,040
I got us covered for the year.
Don't worry.

457
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Just keep rolling.
Keep your contacts.

458
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,440
Stay in touch with everybody.
I mean I talked to God bless

459
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,080
him, Steve Adoris.
I probably talked to Steve

460
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,600
Adoris from Lynyrd Skynyrd every
day.

461
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,560
And we we talked about
everything from politics you

462
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,400
know politics to just shooting
the shit and and and a little

463
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,160
bit of business in there.
But that's what what what we

464
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,880
did.
I mean that's the only way we.

465
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:26,440
So when we came back, we we came
back in, we were somewhat on

466
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,760
fire.
You know, we had to, we had a

467
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,440
lot of ground to make up and a
lot of money to retrieve.

468
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,440
Yeah, and.
I mean, that was tough.

469
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,800
We have 11 tours come back at
the same time.

470
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,120
Jesus.
Man, not small tours either.

471
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,000
Big.
Ones well and plus Troy also

472
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000
had, you know the what's it
called.

473
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,520
Country.
Thunder or whatever.

474
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,440
Oh yeah, so.
You know that gone, you know

475
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,840
like.
Our, our Barricade Division,

476
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,600
it's the one that really, I mean
they were you know wherever

477
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,120
there was a riot going on, what
you know, we had the we had the

478
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,560
White House surrounded, we had
the the Capitol building, I mean

479
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Kenosha, Seattle or Portland, we
had barricade up there all, all

480
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,120
across here.
Oh, that's that's interesting.

481
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,520
That's an.
Interesting table.

482
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,880
Another one a lot of people
don't know a lot about and I

483
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,080
don't try to.
I try not to go into too much of

484
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,760
it, but that's helped.
That helped us out during that.

485
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,960
Time.
Well, I mean upstaging made

486
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,040
freaking plastic face Shields,
you know what I mean?

487
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,560
Like they brought, they sent
them here.

488
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,240
I think they came in with the
iheart thing.

489
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,480
Yeah, that, you know, another
pivot that I loved was I think

490
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,840
it's a Nashville company.
Froggy's Fog.

491
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,120
Yes.
Yeah, so.

492
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,320
So they just some genius.
Columbia.

493
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,960
OK.
Some genius there just said,

494
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:49,320
hey, you know 90% of the
ingredients in that sanitizing

495
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,000
stuff to wash your hands is in
fog fluid.

496
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,080
So all we got to do is kind of
add a couple ingredients and we

497
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,760
now have hand sanitizer.
So they didn't need fog fluid.

498
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,560
So they just went and converted
their their manufacturing to

499
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,040
hand sanitizer and just we're
kicking it out by the gallons.

500
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,440
I think I still have 9/10 of a
gallon, 'cause I panicked at the

501
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,120
beginning when everybody said
you, you can't get hand

502
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,880
sanitizer.
And I went, Oh yes I can.

503
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,120
So I bought like 2 gallons of
that shit and I think I still

504
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,560
have, you know, 1.95 gallons.
Yeah.

505
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,280
I never used it.
I don't like it.

506
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,160
I don't.
I've never, really.

507
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,920
Not a weird smell to it.
No, but just in general hand

508
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,080
sanitizers.
I just, I just don't use it.

509
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Soap and water?
Yeah, exactly.

510
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,880
And you know, so here's another
funny story.

511
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,760
So recently I was flying back
from England, from one of my

512
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,240
son's races and I was at the
airport and I'm going through

513
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:56,320
security and I get buzzed and
taken a side and they run my bag

514
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,120
through again and they're doing
all this stuff.

515
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,840
And a guy comes over to me and
he says I I need to notify you

516
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,920
that you're you've set off the
explosives and you know, you

517
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360
know when they dust your bag for
and I'm like, what?

518
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,240
And so they get into this weird
little side pocket on my

519
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,280
backpack and there's a thing of
this froggies, fogs, hand

520
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,320
sanitizer that has been in there
since the beginning of COVID and

521
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,360
I've never even used it, never
even opened it.

522
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880
It's been sitting in there for
since the beginning and that was

523
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,880
what somehow set it off.
And so then they took it out of

524
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,600
the bag and ran it through the
other machine and it was fine.

525
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960
It was absolutely.
But it was so bizarre cuz I'm

526
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,920
like, you can have it.
I'd throw it away.

527
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,360
Like I've never even used it, so
I didn't even realize it was in

528
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:50,240
my bag to be honest.
But yeah, so now, are you still

529
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,000
struggling most for gear or
people?

530
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:02,720
It took more on.
That's a good question.

531
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,680
We're good on.
I think we're pretty good right

532
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,880
now.
On Crew, we could.

533
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,480
We're always looking for new
guys.

534
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Yeah, gear.
We bought a lot of gear last

535
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,400
year.
Yeah, yeah.

536
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720
As you know.
Yeah, yeah.

537
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,560
Fortunately some of it came from
me.

538
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Yeah, exactly.
And then some of them went back

539
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:30,120
out through me too, so.
And so not really on gear, I

540
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,920
think we're we're pretty set
right now there.

541
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,080
There's those few things, I
mean, I'm looking for some an

542
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,040
odd thing now, but not having a
lot of luck and we'll talk

543
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800
about.
Yeah, shoot me a text or

544
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,800
something, yeah?
You got it, yeah.

545
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,520
Yeah, we got some odd stuff.
Yeah.

546
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,760
Oh yeah.
We Getti and I were looking at

547
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,440
at Gear Source the other day,
so.

548
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know,
what's crazy right now is video

549
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,160
stuff.
Like we used to struggle to get

550
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,040
laser video projectors and and
screens, good screens.

551
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:10,960
We have so many LED screens now
and so many amazing projectors.

552
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,680
It's crazy.
Wow.

553
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,720
Like and I have no idea.
Like, these are coming in

554
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640
organically, listings that
people are just going, I need to

555
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,800
sell my projectors, Boom,
they're putting them online and

556
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,880
we're like.
Is this because the technology

557
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,880
in the video world?
Is I have no idea dancing.

558
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,680
So quickly.
I don't think so.

559
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,120
But you know, I'm talking like,
you know, 2-3 year old

560
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,000
projectors, not ten year old
projectors.

561
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,600
So yeah, you know, it's weird.
Like it's it's really weird.

562
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,240
We're it's just a trend we're
seeing, right?

563
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Now there is no pride in
ownership.

564
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,640
No.
It's totally true.

565
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,400
It comes along with it.
Totally, totally true.

566
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Yeah.
So, you know, but I most

567
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,560
companies that I talk to are
really still struggling for

568
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,400
people.
And you know, I, I that's gonna

569
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,040
keep happening until everyone
can figure out how to, you know,

570
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680
sort of open up the floodgates
and bring a lot more people into

571
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920
our industry.
And unfortunately, you're doing

572
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,400
that by overpaying people for
the most part, so.

573
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Well, that's just it.
That's another that's a this is

574
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:16,760
something that we talk about
often is after COVID, a lot of

575
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,440
these Rd. guys, they figured
out, hey man, this isn't such a

576
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,120
security.
It's already not secure.

577
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,000
OK, now it proved to them that
it's really not secure.

578
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,400
So their wages have gone up.
Yeah, you know, crude juice

579
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,040
aren't just making 30, two,
$3500 a week.

580
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Now they're making 44,000 forty
$200 a week.

581
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,000
Yeah, plus per diem.
Yeah, you know what?

582
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,800
On one hand, they're.
Really worth their grain?

583
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,360
Worth their salt?
You know what?

584
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,400
I mean, I I mean good, good for
them, you know?

585
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,760
It just like it takes though, an
industry I think that already

586
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,720
had some really difficult
accounting, difficult finance

587
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640
problems, and it makes it
tougher.

588
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,360
And it all comes down to who's
paying that tab, right?

589
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,400
And if it's if it's you know,
the artist you know, so be it.

590
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,600
If it's.
But it usually ends up trickling

591
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,720
down to the end consumer who's
paying for the ticket, and he's

592
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,680
now paying $80.00 for a 60.
Dollar ticket that's going to be

593
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:29,720
a that's a whole another one.
I mean, not well, how much

594
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:36,240
discretionary money is going to
be available for people to out

595
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
there to buy tickets for these
shows?

596
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,200
Preach, I've been saying.
That which one of you years,

597
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Which ticket are you going to?
Buy I've been saying that for

598
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,080
three years and it just keeps
going up and they keep selling.

599
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,880
You know, I don't, I don't get
it.

600
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,480
You know, it's just like go try
buying a brand new Porsche.

601
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Not that I do that but you know
Porsche.

602
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,920
No but the the GT3 RSI mean it's
already like a $400,000 car or

603
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:09,480
whatever they're selling for two
5250 over sticker and one of my

604
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,440
buddies is a is a sales manager
at a Porsche dealership and he's

605
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,360
like and I can I could sell 20
of them tomorrow if I could get

606
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,880
them.
You know he's like every

607
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,199
allocation we get 250 over
sticker.

608
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,639
He said used ones are going for
180 over sticker right now.

609
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,719
Wow.
Yeah.

610
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,360
Yeah, man.
I'll tell you what.

611
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:32,360
It's an insane market right now.
There's so much liquid cash

612
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,400
floating around, you know.
There's Where is it coming from?

613
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,760
I got it.
I mean I got money in the I I'm

614
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,280
sitting good.
Yeah.

615
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,840
Where is I mean.
You and I need to run for.

616
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,520
We need to run for Senate so we
can go in and pick up $175,000

617
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,159
job and make make make 150
million, make 150 million.

618
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,320
No, it's the it's the knowledge
that they get for stocks.

619
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,800
It's the insider trading stuff
that and it's this isn't a a

620
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
left versus right thing because
they both do it.

621
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Republicans both do.
It and Democrats are both doing

622
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,080
it.
They go, you know, somebody

623
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,000
says, hey, you know, there's a
problem with this mineral or

624
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,760
whatever.
There's going to be a shortage,

625
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,280
and we need to go fight a war in
Yemen or something to get more

626
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
of it.
And so somebody goes, oh,

627
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,400
there's a shortage on this
mineral.

628
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,280
I'm gonna go invest in that
mineral, right?

629
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Yep.
It's that blatant.

630
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,000
It's that blatant.
Oh yeah.

631
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,280
Right in front of us, we are
totally everyday getting ripped

632
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040
off by the United States
government.

633
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,240
Yeah, it's it's, I mean, it's
gotten to a point where, you

634
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,160
know, like I have friends in and
from Ukraine.

635
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
I have coders that work for me
that are in the Ukraine.

636
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Doesn't mean I want to support
the government.

637
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,080
You guys have a voting problem.
You've got a corrupt guy running

638
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,400
your country.
That's your problem.

639
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,480
That ain't my problem.
I'm sorry.

640
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360
But God created the weatherman
to make the politicians A

641
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,800
colonist so.
Yeah, yeah.

642
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
They they can change their mind
occasionally, right.

643
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,720
Yeah.
No, it's I mean now that we've

644
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,360
sort of touched on it a little
bit, I guess we'll venture in,

645
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,080
we'll we'll dive into the water
the, the deep end.

646
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,640
But I mean, we're in for a crazy
year, you know, and.

647
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,040
I I think so.
And it's.

648
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,240
Fun Put your seat belt on.
Fun.

649
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,480
Yes and no.
Like you and I remember really

650
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,400
well how ugly it got, you know,
especially on social media.

651
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,040
And you know, there was a point
in the last election where I

652
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,480
literally shut off Facebook for
a couple of months, 'cause I

653
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,120
just, I couldn't take.
I remember that.

654
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,400
I mean it was just, it was talks
and I just couldn't take it like

655
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,960
people were.
People who are friends of mine

656
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,800
were saying if you vote for this
person, defriend me.

657
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Now, I never want to speak to
you again.

658
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,000
I'm like, holy shit, like, when
did this happen?

659
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,160
I couldn't give a shit who you
vote for.

660
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Like, do I think you're dumb
sometimes for the decisions

661
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,240
you're making?
Sure, but I don't care.

662
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,480
I'll still go have drinks with
you.

663
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,400
I'm not going to defriend anyone
because of who they vote for.

664
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,920
Couldn't care less.
No, I don't think that sometimes

665
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,160
these people are thinking
straight.

666
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:22,040
I just they don't realize listen
the media has done a really good

667
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:29,600
job and curving people the
different a different direction

668
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600
from what the real what's really
going on.

669
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:38,960
They're they they hide a lot of
stuff and I don't think that

670
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,320
everybody not that I don't Fox
is not the answer either.

671
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,560
No, because they're they're
they're all full of shit.

672
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,800
I hate to say it, but I get most
of my news from Twitter now.

673
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,720
I really do.
Because I don't trust anything.

674
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,480
I don't trust anything.
At least on Twitter, I can

675
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:01,920
create a like an algorithm for
myself that's got a mix of left

676
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,920
and right and truth, and I know
which people are lying.

677
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,720
It's pretty easy to tell and I
get rid of the bots as fast as I

678
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,880
can.
And, you know, generally I get

679
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,680
my news headlines in 1/2 hour of
Twitter first thing in the

680
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,040
morning, and that covers me for
the day.

681
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,160
You know, I'm good.
I rarely watch this.

682
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Anymore.
I like just the news.

683
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,120
That's that.
That guy's pretty square.

684
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,640
He's a good reporter.
He's no bullshit.

685
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,600
But yeah, they're all of them.
You know, I don't think that

686
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,760
everybody's getting a straight
answer.

687
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:38,000
And listen, you think letting 16
million people into our country

688
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,560
that are illegal, you have no
idea where they're coming.

689
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,600
You think that that's OK?
Yeah.

690
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,720
What are you thinking?
Well, you know what?

691
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,160
You you listen to Rogan.
I think you told me so.

692
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,240
You know, I've always liked
Rogan, especially through COVID

693
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,520
and all that stuff.
Not because he was common sense,

694
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,800
but because he wasn't hard left
and he wasn't hard right.

695
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,360
He's actually more left than
than anything, right?

696
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,400
He's.
That's kind of me like like we

697
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,600
talked about I.
Mean.

698
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,320
Yeah.
Well, yeah.

699
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,680
You and I are similar.
I mean, you know, we don't.

700
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,000
We want systems in place and
government in place to take care

701
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,680
of, you know, roads and and some
things like that.

702
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:24,520
But do I think, you know Google
or or you know Tesla or somebody

703
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,400
could do a better job with
healthcare than the government

704
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,560
is probably probably, you know,
probably some big tech company

705
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,920
stay out of that.
Yeah.

706
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
But we have too much government.
Yeah.

707
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,720
So I like Rogan because he's
generally pretty neutral.

708
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:44,960
And I just listened this morning
to him and Brett Weinstein.

709
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,480
He's a pretty smart guy.
And you know, they're both left

710
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,000
liberal, lifetime Democrat
voters, right?

711
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,800
And Brett Weinstein was saying
that to my friends who are

712
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Democrats, you cannot vote for
the Democratic Party this year.

713
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,560
And he said, I really, I hope
that there's an opportunity for

714
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,800
RFK because he thinks that RFK
is a great answer, which I do

715
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,440
too.
You know, I'm, I'm a Republican

716
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840
technically, but I would vote
for RFKI.

717
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,240
Think the guy's brilliant?
Sure.

718
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,920
Yeah.
And but The thing is, he said,

719
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,000
you, no matter who you vote for,
you cannot vote for the

720
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Democratic Party this year,
which which basically is, is a

721
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,680
vote for Trump at that point,
right.

722
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,000
And and it's just because of all
of this stuff that they're doing

723
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,600
in in daylight, you know, like
they're they're just doing some

724
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,800
really, really corrupt, crazy
stuff, the border.

725
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,080
Right in front of.
Us the border included.

726
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,360
You know the border.
This is really bad.

727
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,800
This border thing, it's really,
really bad.

728
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,960
Like this has gone beyond the
humanitarian side of things,

729
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,800
where it's like these people,
they're just trying to escape

730
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,000
these terrible places.
That ain't the agenda.

731
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,800
That ain't going on right.
Now that ain't the agenda.

732
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,640
No, I mean, really bad people
are coming in.

733
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,840
I'm sure some good ones are sort
of strewn in there too.

734
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,360
But some really.
Bad people do another thing that

735
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,480
nobody is thinking about right
now, but you bring all those

736
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,640
people into these separate or
all the different counties, all

737
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,760
the different cities, all the
different states.

738
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,520
It changes the amount of
delegates.

739
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,880
It changes the amount of
representatives you're going to

740
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,960
have run in the government.
Yeah, it changes that whole

741
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,600
playing field.
Yeah, nobody thinks about that

742
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,480
kind of stuff.
Well, the Democrats do.

743
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,480
The Democrats are really smart.
They're really smart.

744
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,280
They know exactly what they're
doing.

745
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,680
They know exactly what they're
doing.

746
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,840
It's just, you know, like that's
one thing that's infuriating

747
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,600
when you follow Twitter or
whatever.

748
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680
You get these guys on the
Republican Party who I respect.

749
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,240
I mean, there's some guys that I
really, you know, Ted Cruz is

750
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,880
great and Jim Jordan I really
like.

751
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,040
And yeah, I mean, there's some
really good guys on on that

752
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,840
side, but they're always talking
tough and they never do

753
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,080
anything.
You know, it's like, it's like

754
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,240
we.
Have this guy red handed for

755
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,920
impeachment, but then they never
do anything.

756
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,320
You know, it's the Democrats
have nothing and they impeach

757
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,880
you, you know, like they got
nothing, they got no proof, they

758
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,640
got no smoking gun, they got no
crime and they put you in jail.

759
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Exactly.
It's they just do what they.

760
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,840
Want we talked about too, you
know, And back in the old days,

761
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,080
the Republicans and the
Democrats, they all wanted the

762
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,720
same thing if they argued and
bickered about how to get to

763
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:39,200
that central neutral position
and.

764
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,680
And that's not happening
anymore.

765
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
It's not.
So extreme.

766
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,600
Now what they're doing is
they're making.

767
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Huh.
It's all so extreme now.

768
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,560
It's so extreme.
So totally that's exactly it.

769
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,560
And and they're making enemies.
A lot of our friends become

770
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,280
enemies because of what they're
doing.

771
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,720
And that's that's fucking wrong.
Yeah.

772
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,200
Anyway.
That's the part that I really

773
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,920
disliked during the whole COVID
thing was friends, people who I

774
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,960
really respected in our
industry.

775
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,240
I I just, I couldn't follow them
anymore because I couldn't

776
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,000
believe the things that they
were saying at times, You know,

777
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,360
they were just so hateful and
miserable and nasty.

778
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,600
And it was like, what?
Because I choose to live my life

779
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,040
this way.
Like you're saying, I need to

780
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,560
basically accept everything, but
you don't accept even who I vote

781
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,360
for or or whether or not I want
to wear a mask on an airplane or

782
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,320
something.
You know, like.

783
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,080
So.
Choices work one way, but

784
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,520
choices don't work the other way
sometimes, and that's that's

785
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,800
challenging.
Reality for me is I truly don't

786
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,840
care who who anyone votes for,
who they, who they pray to, who

787
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,160
they sleep with.
I could not care less.

788
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,440
I really don't care.
True story.

789
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,360
You're a good person or a bad
person.

790
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,880
That's it.
That's right.

791
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,600
That's right.
We all wanna be good people.

792
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,000
So, I mean, everybody's just
gotta figure it out.

793
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,120
I mean, maybe, maybe if Trump
gets in there, he'll tone it

794
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,880
down and he'll, you know.
No.

795
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,120
He's got too big of an ego, but
all of them have an.

796
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,040
Ego.
Well, he's also got a he's got

797
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,560
an agenda to to clean some shit
up now, too.

798
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,840
Like he he got screwed pretty
good.

799
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Like imagine what this guy went
through, what he goes through on

800
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,560
a daily.
Basis He was painted to be this

801
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,760
super, super bad guy and he and
now everything that they've

802
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,080
thrown at him just seems to.
Well here's the thing Creech.

803
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,760
I was just thinking about this.
So I wonder, like as bad as the

804
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,320
election has been the previous
two times with Trump, this time

805
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,360
might be different because
they've tried everything and

806
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,000
they haven't exposed any of the
corruption that they all just

807
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,560
automatically said and believed.
And this guy, he's a Russian,

808
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,240
you know, spy, he's a planet
from Russia he's doing business

809
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,880
with.
And so they tried like crazy to

810
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,280
to get that.
And now the news is basically

811
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,360
that that was all completely a
set up.

812
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,160
Like he said, you know, it was
like he said yeah, when.

813
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,400
He said, I remember him.
I remember I said to my wife,

814
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,840
did you just hear what Trump
said about when he talked about

815
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:19,000
being wiretapped or or recorded?
Yeah, he goes, he's full of

816
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,360
shit.
I go, OK, you do.

817
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,880
You think so?
Sure enough.

818
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Yeah, he was knowing everything
that got so.

819
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,800
So I think that that this year,
the election cycle might be a

820
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,440
little more peaceful for all of
us because, you know, Trump is

821
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,440
not what they made him out to
be.

822
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Is he a, a, a Dick head and
nasty and a horrible man?

823
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,600
Sometimes, yes, absolutely.
You know I don't love the.

824
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Guy.
Absolutely not.

825
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,480
But, but, you know, the other
thing is the, the Democrats,

826
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,280
it's so blatant, the bad things
that they've done at this point

827
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,160
that I don't think anyone can
fully support that and say, you

828
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,800
know, but Biden's great.
We need to vote for greatness.

829
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,280
You can't say that.
Yeah, you just can't say that.

830
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,160
I'm sorry.
You can't say that.

831
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,120
Yeah.
Yeah.

832
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,240
You're just making yourself look
dumb if you say that.

833
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,000
That's just like me saying.
But Trump is a really good guy.

834
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,920
So you should vote for him.
No, no, that's not why you would

835
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,520
vote for him either.
So yeah, I just, I hope we all

836
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,000
get along this year.
I know, you know, this is the

837
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,920
most politics I've spoken
publicly in our industry,

838
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,160
probably since all of this
began.

839
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,800
You know, I just don't do it.
I I avoid it like crazy.

840
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,040
Well, to all my friends that are
watching this and listening to

841
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:42,240
this, you know you can't tell me
that when your wife, I mean, in

842
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,200
my household, I do the grocery
shopping because my wife's on

843
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,640
her feet all day long, like
someday she has.

844
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,720
She sees 5050 patients in a span
of four hours.

845
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,600
OK, so I try to.
I try to do what I can.

846
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,680
I do all the cooking.
I do all the grocery shopping.

847
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Wow.
And.

848
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,320
Come move in with me.
I'll take you, Creech.

849
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,840
You're not as good looking as my
wife.

850
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,880
It's it's 2024.
It's 2024.

851
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,400
We can get married.
It's Florida.

852
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,280
You know, you do all the cooking
and grocery shopping, and you

853
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,640
make a good living.
Jesus Christ, I could finally

854
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:30,360
retire.
But, but I feel it when I go to

855
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
the grocery store.
So at first I thought, you know,

856
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,800
OK, this is this is the
inflation and hitness.

857
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,920
Now I think the they got the
they got us fucking paying the

858
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,000
high dollar and now the grocery
stores are jumping in on the on

859
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,240
the bandwagon.
Everybody.

860
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Yeah, that's so true.
You guys ought to wear, I told

861
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,280
the girl the other day.
You ought to wear a mask, she

862
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,640
said.
Why should I be wearing a mask?

863
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,200
Because you're fucking robbing
me.

864
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,000
You know, so Tucker Tucker put
out like a one minute video, I

865
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,800
think yesterday or this morning
or something.

866
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,560
I saw it this morning.
But he is in a grocery store in

867
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Moscow and he was there with his
staff and they were buying the

868
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,200
groceries for for the week that
they were going to be there.

869
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Right?
Right.

870
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,480
And he said, you know, in our
heads we thought, OK, it's going

871
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,240
to be about 450 bucks or 400
bucks or something and they get

872
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:29,320
to the cashier and and they pay.
And they did the conversion and

873
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,360
it was like $120.00.
And he said it was right then

874
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,360
that I realized how badly we're
being fleeced.

875
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,480
You know, we are being fleeced
in America.

876
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:45,200
And he said, I He said I became
radicalized when when I was

877
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,000
standing there at the cashier in
this Russian supermarket buying

878
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,680
the exact same products that I
would buy at home for four times

879
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,280
as much money.
And here I am in this place

880
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,280
that's supposedly corrupt and
terrible and horrible and

881
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,000
violent and and then he takes a
video also in the in the subway,

882
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,520
and it's beautiful.
There's art and there's all this

883
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,600
beautiful old architecture, and
it's as clean as can be.

884
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,480
It's out.
Oh, the The Putin interview that

885
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,040
came out last week.
Yeah, yeah.

886
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,120
I don't.
Yeah.

887
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,320
I try not to.
Pick.

888
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,240
It's got like 200 million views.
Wow, it's.

889
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:25,840
I'll shoot you the link.
It's the reason I take

890
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,280
lisinopril in the morning.
Yeah, it's got 200 million

891
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,440
views.
But.

892
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,720
But no, this one of the video of
the subway, I was like wow, like

893
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,560
I've seen this picture and but I
mean people are all nice and

894
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,840
happy and well dressed and
they're, you know, nobody's

895
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,640
fighting.
No, there's no people, homeless

896
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,320
people laying down in the
gutters or anything.

897
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,520
You know, I mean it's it's
really quite alarming.

898
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,120
And you know, I don't know, like
I I I'm in LA next week and I'm

899
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,800
kind of dreading it because I
haven't been there in a while

900
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,360
since before there were tents
and and you know people shitting

901
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,080
on sidewalks and stuff be.
Nice.

902
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,680
I'm I'm not looking forward to
seeing all that stuff.

903
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,440
I used to love LA.
I've avoided it.

904
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,560
I've managed to.
I mean, my time's coming.

905
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,960
I feel it.
But yeah, yeah, I have.

906
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,200
No.
I'm there for a board meeting

907
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,200
next week.
I have no choice.

908
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,240
I got to be there.
So just for a couple days, you

909
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,480
know, and I'll, I'll go out and
see some friends or something

910
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,040
too but right.
Yeah, I used to really love

911
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,080
going to LA and and honestly I
was yesterday.

912
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,120
I was trying to think when was
the last time I was there and

913
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,040
it's been years it it's been
probably four or five years, I

914
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,480
don't know, before COVID.
The last time I was in on the

915
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,120
West Coast, I got COVID, Yeah,
that.

916
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,600
I went to the Nam show and.
I oh, really?

917
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,640
Yeah.
And I was like, no, I'm never

918
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,520
going back to that Nam show
again.

919
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,560
I don't care.
I don't care if fucking the

920
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,760
whatever Parnelli's were there
or not, I could give a rat's ass

921
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,720
cuz that's a bunch of bullshit
too.

922
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,360
Whatever his name is, I can't
remember the guy's name.

923
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,360
Terry love, Terry love, yeah.
It's all about who buys

924
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,400
advertisement and.
I don't.

925
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,600
I I can't comment.
I can't, I can't confirm nor

926
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,200
deny.
No, I'm I've historically, I've

927
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,360
not been a Terry Lowe fan him
and I do not get along.

928
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,160
I will say that publicly.
We've not gotten along in a long

929
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,040
time, and but I wouldn't
personally go as far as saying,

930
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,400
you know, that he's basing
awards on ads, 'cause I don't

931
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,080
know that to be true.
So, well, I can.

932
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,440
I also don't know it to be
false.

933
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:48,400
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know that it's

934
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,960
false either.
Yeah.

935
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,040
No, I don't.
Know there's a short list of a

936
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,640
few people in this business.
When I've retired, I'm gonna go

937
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,840
fuck you.
Yeah, so there's a short list.

938
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Yeah, I know you.
You know, it's funny because you

939
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,560
were on this on this podcast in
2019 and I remember you saying

940
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,800
the exact same thing.
Then you you said you said

941
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,840
there's, you know, I try to
behave, but there's a short list

942
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,600
that I keep and you know, one
day I'm going to retire and I'm

943
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,200
going to call everyone on that
list and tell them what I think.

944
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,480
Well, Troy, I didn't retire
anytime soon because Troy told

945
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,600
me he said he's a Creech
Creechy.

946
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,080
He calls me Creechy.
Yeah, he says you ain't going

947
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,280
anywhere until either I die or
you die.

948
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,000
So yeah, and I.
It's a race I'm.

949
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,520
Taking WellCare of.
Yeah, you're in a race.

950
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,360
Yeah.
Now you should be taking one.

951
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,080
You know you're you're you're
one of that handful of guys that

952
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,680
I was talking about earlier.
You know, there, there are not

953
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,920
so many of you guys and you
know, I'm sure somebody will

954
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,360
come up to replace all of you at
some point because the industry

955
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,000
will go on of course, and it has
to, but yeah, I mean, you know.

956
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,280
Just bring big shoes and big
feet, you know, that's what it's

957
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,800
going to take.
Well, it's like, you know,

958
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Wiseman when when we were
talking at dinner on Friday

959
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:27,160
about the the the party he was
going to at Trump's, I said, you

960
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,480
know, you're going to have a
blast.

961
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,480
And he goes, Yep.
And I'm going to walk out of

962
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,280
there with the RNC convention.
And I said, I said I don't think

963
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,880
Trump is going to want to sit
down and talk business with you.

964
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,800
And he said no, but somebody
will, you know, nobody will.

965
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,560
Wiseman's a sales guy I love.
John Wiseman, Yeah, you know, he

966
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,520
could sell you.
He could sell you a car without

967
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,840
wheels and an engine and he'd
get top dollar.

968
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,360
For it, yes, he is.
He is the the greatest sales

969
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,680
guy.
He's always been really good and

970
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:00,920
he's.
Always been too.

971
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,280
He's always been a tough
competitor though, like cuz. him

972
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,920
and I have always been really
good friends.

973
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,560
But when we were both at high
end Systems together and I left

974
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,640
and I took a tour, that was was
ours, you know, at high end.

975
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,040
But it was my person.
It was my my deal, my designer,

976
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,960
my everything, right?
And so I I took it with me and

977
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,600
and and Wiseman called me up and
says I know what you did.

978
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,840
And I said, I said nothing
different than you would do and

979
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:39,760
he goes lose my fucking number.
And so so I said OK, you know,

980
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,560
you want to be like that, John.
OK.

981
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,280
And I don't know, probably a
couple months later he called me

982
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,440
and he was like, hey, what are
you up to?

983
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,640
You know, like nothing ever
happened.

984
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,080
You know, I'm, I'm a wimp when
it comes to that stuff because I

985
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,960
remember it forever.
But he just like, you know, that

986
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,240
was that was just part of the,
you know, I was in a battle, you

987
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,160
know, I said what I had to say.
It's funny.

988
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,280
Well I remember when he was an
account manager at at show Co

989
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,560
very light right when I worked
there and I was there was a show

990
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,560
I don't know what show it was at
the at Reunion arena and he

991
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,400
pulled he's kind of guy drives
right down he's drive that he

992
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,000
had a bad ass BMW yeah and he he
came down the ramp and I was

993
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,360
walking up and he goes Creech
jump in and of course that was

994
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,880
back in the day right when he
even in the side I remember.

995
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,880
Jumping into.
Yeah, right.

996
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:41,240
On the console he did a couple
gaggers and the downtown Dallas

997
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,560
and then he comes back and drops
me off and he goes about his own

998
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,080
thing.
Next morning I'm on my way to to

999
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,000
to work down 35 you know heading
to governor's row or regal row

1000
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,800
and and there is Wiseman off on
the side of the road wrecked

1001
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,680
BMW.
Go away.

1002
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,240
Oh my God.
That's crazy.

1003
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,280
God.
He had a brand new one right

1004
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,280
away.
That is insane.

1005
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,640
I'm.
Sure, he talked his way right

1006
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,720
into the new one.
Oh my God, that guy, man.

1007
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,720
He's got some stories.
Good times.

1008
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,200
He's got some stories.
He's definitely got some

1009
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:21,680
stories.
Oh yeah.

1010
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:29,240
Yeah, I I remember he was, he
was doing a show in in Miami

1011
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,120
with.
I don't remember what it was,

1012
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,160
but I don't remember what the
whole event was.

1013
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,520
But there it was like Shania
Twain and the Backstreet Boys

1014
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,600
and Elton John.
It was a it was kind of a weird

1015
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,240
mix of artists.
But he called me and said, you

1016
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,360
know, I'm doing this show, you
got to come down and hang out.

1017
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,680
And I said, yeah, sure.
And it was at Bayfront Park in

1018
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Miami and there's a dock right
there.

1019
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,760
And he goes, why don't you bring
your boat down and dock it?

1020
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,360
And I I said, yeah, I'll do
that.

1021
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,840
And I said maybe we can go do
some diving.

1022
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,360
And he goes, yeah, I can't do
that.

1023
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,680
And I said why not?
And he said because when I was

1024
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,480
still doing blow and stuff, I I
I loaned out my, I got really

1025
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,320
high and loaned out my dive
equipment and I can't remember

1026
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:17,800
who I lent it to.
Oh my God, so never would I do

1027
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,560
something like that.
No, no.

1028
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,800
Yeah, it's it's funny.
Yeah.

1029
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,040
Yeah, we we talked about it a
whole bunch at dinner and stuff

1030
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,200
because I don't think even his
wife had heard some of these

1031
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,240
stories and she was having a
blast.

1032
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,440
She was loving it.
She was like, oh boy, I bet she

1033
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:37,920
knew that.
She was.

1034
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,000
Her mouth was open the whole
time.

1035
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,720
Well, and and my girlfriend,
she's she's British and was very

1036
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,400
properly raised and stuff and
she doesn't curse.

1037
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,240
She doesn't drink, she doesn't.
She's never touched drugs or

1038
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,120
tobacco or anything, right?
How?

1039
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,920
Long you been with her?
Six years I think.

1040
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,880
And no it's weird.
We're we're like definitely, you

1041
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,360
know, the Beauty and the Beast
in more ways than one, I think.

1042
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,440
And yeah, it it works, you know,
I mean it works.

1043
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,840
I don't know that it would
always work, like sometimes you

1044
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,240
gotta have like people but and
every once in a while she'll try

1045
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640
and have a glass of wine and
she'll drink about 1/4 of a

1046
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,440
glass of wine and she'll be
like, oh, I think I'm drunk.

1047
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,240
So she just doesn't even really
try to drink.

1048
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,200
But she was hearing some of
these Wiseman stories and she

1049
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,080
was just like, I mean.
She will have them.

1050
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,360
Oh my God.
You did.

1051
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,400
How much?
You know, Because I mean, I

1052
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,760
think at the height of it, he
was doing like 1/2 an ounce of

1053
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,240
blow a day or more.
Oh.

1054
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,400
My God.
Every day.

1055
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,920
Oh yeah.
I used to like we used to have a

1056
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,000
smoke in the break room at at at
very light and he'd come in

1057
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,320
there and sit down and hang out
with us, right?

1058
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,360
And you just look at him, He's
like, yeah, he'd been partying

1059
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,480
the night before.
Yeah, yeah, you're looking right

1060
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,680
through him.
Go, go, go.

1061
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,840
Yeah.
It's amazing though, how he

1062
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,640
could perform at such a high
level for the most part, right?

1063
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,840
Until it got real bad, like when
he was when he was at LSDI

1064
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,880
think.
I think it was over at that

1065
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,560
point.
Like something needed to give,

1066
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,680
you know?
Like, I remember Nick Jackson

1067
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,640
telling me one time that that
you know it like there was a big

1068
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,400
meeting or something.
It was on Wednesday and they

1069
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,640
were meeting with a big client
or a manager or somebody and

1070
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,120
Wiseman didn't show up.
And so Nick kept calling him and

1071
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,400
calling him and calling him and
calling him.

1072
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,000
It's like noon or something,
right?

1073
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,040
He's calling him and calling him
and calling him And finally

1074
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,880
Wiseman answers and he goes,
Nick, what?

1075
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Why are you waking me up?
And he says because you got to

1076
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,200
come to work.
And he goes, why it's Sunday.

1077
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,240
And he goes, John, it's fucking
Wednesday.

1078
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:50,920
Oh, I'll be right there.
Yeah, that's hailed out.

1079
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,280
Yeah, that's hilarious.
True definition of being hailed

1080
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,120
out.
No kidding, right?

1081
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,400
Yeah, he was he was a mess.
But thank God the guy the guy

1082
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,200
got got it right, you know, got
it right.

1083
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,480
And he's had a whole nother life
since then, so good for him.

1084
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,400
Yeah, he's having a good time.
He was telling me he just, he

1085
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,840
just got another BBMWI.
Think he said he got an Alpena.

1086
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,800
Oh my God, that's that's a nice
one.

1087
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,960
That's a really nice one.
Yeah, that's a nice car.

1088
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,360
Yeah, he likes the cars.
Yeah, So I.

1089
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,000
Mean I I have a portion of
Mercedes, but my son's big on

1090
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,400
the BMW, of course.
He works.

1091
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,160
My youngest youngest, Connor,
he's he works for Kennedy

1092
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,800
Performance here in Nashville
and they do strictly nothing but

1093
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,120
BMW.
Oh really?

1094
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,040
And high performance BMW and
they have a racing team, so he

1095
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,200
gets to go out.
He's into taking pictures just

1096
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,880
like me.
And he takes them of cars, does

1097
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:54,400
nice cars, I mean like sports,
sports car, you know?

1098
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,800
Yeah, between everything from
Mazda, those cool looking Mazdas

1099
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,480
on up to, you know Porsche.
He worked at Porsche for a while

1100
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,600
too, which is he had a blast
there.

1101
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,800
What's?
Where he learned what he's doing

1102
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,800
now he's a service rider, so.
Oh cool.

1103
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,720
Yeah, we've got another one.
Got another one in the Marines.

1104
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,880
He's a Marine.
He's in North Carolina.

1105
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,880
And then of course, Nate is in.
I was telling you earlier, I

1106
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,960
tried to tell him, you know,
maybe you guys got to go into

1107
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,640
the Coast Guard.
I have a friend, Edwanabeau, he

1108
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,480
was in the, you know, with Kenny
Chesney.

1109
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,960
He was in the Coast Guard and
they stationed him over in Maui.

1110
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,600
And he said all I did was
painted buoys and watch for drug

1111
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,360
smugglers whole time I was in
the Coast Guard.

1112
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,840
And and so I told and their
course, no, we want to shoot the

1113
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,400
bad guy.
We want to shoot guns.

1114
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,360
They don't have big guns.
I go, Coast Guard's got big

1115
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,160
guns.
They got real big guns.

1116
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,920
They're part of the Navy.
And so now they went about and

1117
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,960
did their own thing.
You know, the one went into the

1118
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,240
to the Marines and the other one
went into the Army.

1119
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,000
So he was down at Fort Benning.
It was getting transferred.

1120
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,680
And he calls me and goes, Hey,
pops, you'll never guess where

1121
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,120
I'm where I'm getting
transferred to.

1122
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,960
And I went, No, I won't.
He goes, Hawaii, I went.

1123
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,160
I guess you didn't need Hawaii
after all.

1124
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:11,880
Wow.
Over.

1125
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,720
There, man.
He's loving it over.

1126
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:14,840
There.
Nice.

1127
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,720
Good for him.
To get shipped off, he's getting

1128
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,720
shipped off to the Philippines.
So let me ask you, like I've

1129
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,920
always wondered, you know,
because my son's just a goofball

1130
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,680
race car driver.
He he he would never have the

1131
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:31,320
balls to join the military.
But as a parent of kids in the

1132
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:37,560
military, does it make you feel
even more angry towards some of

1133
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,840
the decisions that get made in
government?

1134
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,200
You know to go and fight in
places that you couldn't care

1135
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:51,600
less about, for example.
Well, number one, you're proud.

1136
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,680
You're always, regardless of
what they're doing, even if

1137
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,840
they're fuck ups, you got to be
proud of your kids.

1138
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,320
They're part of you.
Yeah.

1139
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,280
I I would hope that the United
States government would fund the

1140
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:12,840
military to provide all of them,
not just our kids, but all of

1141
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:19,840
them, the proper equipment, the
technology and all of that.

1142
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,600
Provide enough money for the for
the military to provide our kids

1143
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,440
with that safety.
That's a safety net right there.

1144
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,440
Yeah, it's good.
You know, like call probably

1145
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,080
when he gets out of the Marines,
which is going to be soon

1146
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,440
enough.
I don't think he'll stay in

1147
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,600
there.
He'll take take, go and do the

1148
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,240
GI Bill.
So there's those those cool

1149
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,080
things for that, but yeah, and
then of course you worry about

1150
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,680
them, you know, I can tell you
that in the Marines.

1151
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,000
So Connor was home one day and
so and Call was home on on

1152
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,760
Liberty I think it was during
Thanksgiving.

1153
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,240
So I said call tell Connor about
your day.

1154
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,200
You know that they get up at
4:30 in the morning and they run

1155
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:11,600
to breakfast and and he eats
like this to protecting his his

1156
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,240
food because they can come and
take it away from it at any time

1157
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,840
and they can come.
They'll come.

1158
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,080
And sometimes while you're
eating go go outside in the pit

1159
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:25,560
right outside the door and fight
so and so just fight them so

1160
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,600
then he's gets so after he's
done eating breakfast he runs

1161
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,560
back to the barracks.
He's got about 30-40 minutes to

1162
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,200
himself.
Then they pack up the rucks

1163
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,360
stacks with he's a he's a mortar
guy So he's in the infantry so

1164
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,720
they so he pack his his rucksack
with mortars.

1165
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:47,360
And the kid rocks 10 miles, 10
miles.

1166
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,880
And they dig a hole, set up
their mortars, shoot them off,

1167
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,000
cover the hole back up and rock
back.

1168
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,680
By that time it's almost one
dinner time.

1169
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,440
It's like there's your fucking
day.

1170
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,760
So I said to Connor.
I said Connor, next time you

1171
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,040
think you're having a bad day,
think about him think about what

1172
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,440
he's doing.
That's crazy.

1173
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,920
But then you got Nate on the
other side.

1174
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,200
He's stationed around Hawaii and
every picture I see.

1175
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,880
I'll take that back.
A lot of the pictures I see were

1176
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,520
of him enjoying the waterfalls.
As he should.

1177
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,160
But he went through some.
He went through some bullshit

1178
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,600
too.
He went through going through

1179
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,880
Ranger School is not something
easy.

1180
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,280
It's not for just that's what
sets them all apart man.

1181
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,000
You know Rangers lead the way
and but they're all good kids,

1182
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,040
you know, all of them.
So when I when I remarried, I

1183
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,760
got, I got those boys and then I
got two other two other

1184
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,800
daughters as well.
So I have Caitlin who's here.

1185
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,560
She's worked at Vanderbilt.
She's involved in at the at the

1186
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,320
main campus of hospital.
She's got her master's in public

1187
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,160
health.
You talk to her.

1188
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,520
She's going to tell you she
wants to run a hospital, but she

1189
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,600
will one day, I promise you.
And then Brooke is Brooke is a

1190
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,360
teacher in Virginia.
And then Faith, the youngest is

1191
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,720
in.
She's in North Carolina at

1192
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,320
Belmont Abbey, and she plays
lacrosse or she's on lacrosse

1193
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:14,760
scholarship.
Oh cool.

1194
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,400
And the the the big plan that
we've been talking about, as

1195
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,560
soon as she's done, Tony and I
are going to come back down to

1196
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,240
Florida and I'll still be doing
the PGP thing.

1197
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,360
But because she works at
Vanderbilt, my wife, they help

1198
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:36,360
pay what the scholarship stuff
doesn't pay, which is pretty

1199
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,440
convenient.
Pretty helpful.

1200
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,760
Very helpful.
Yeah, that's very cool.

1201
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,040
So she's got two more years, so
you know, we'll see you in two

1202
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,640
years down there.
Yeah.

1203
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,560
Maybe we can race boats, yeah.
That'll be fun.

1204
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,000
I'm trying to get the hell out
of here.

1205
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,560
You know, I, I spend half a year
up in Canada now at my place in

1206
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,400
the mountains, and I really like
it there.

1207
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,960
Like, it's just, you know, I
guess it's age, 'cause it's a

1208
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,040
slower pace.
Not in the winter, not in the

1209
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,640
winter.
In the winter.

1210
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,240
I like Florida a whole lot.
But, you know, it's a people

1211
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,120
thing.
Like it's you know the people in

1212
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,680
Florida are more and more from
New York now because like since

1213
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,080
COVID it's been really just New
Yorkers are coming in as fast as

1214
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,960
they can get here and which is
nothing wrong.

1215
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,280
I love New Yorkers but it it's
just a a faster pace of life.

1216
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,280
You've you've got to be a little
more on guard.

1217
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,520
You've got to pay a lot more
attention.

1218
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,720
Like up in Canada you could
leave your door unlocked for

1219
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,920
days and never anything going to
happen.

1220
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,960
Like my friends.
My friends got a beautiful

1221
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,560
Mercedes and he leaves his keys
in it in the driveway, Never

1222
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,600
takes his keys.
And everyone in town knows that

1223
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,640
his keys are in the car.
Yeah, and he's never had a

1224
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,440
problem.
So it's just it's a small town,

1225
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,840
small town attitude.
Sometimes it's frustrating cuz

1226
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,560
like you're in line at the
grocery store and the lady in

1227
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,360
front of you is like, Betsy, how
are you doing?

1228
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,040
How are the kids?
What about the grandkids?

1229
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,360
And I've got like 3 items and
I'm just like come on lady I.

1230
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,680
Just wanna pay get the.
Hell out of here.

1231
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,000
Betsy's fine.
Go.

1232
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,840
Yeah, well, I mean, it's even
funny.

1233
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:23,439
Like when I'm driving up there,
I have to force myself to not be

1234
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,760
a Dick, you know, because like
here, here, if you're going to

1235
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,840
change lanes, you just change
lanes.

1236
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,680
You don't signal.
If you signal, they close the

1237
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,840
gap instantly.
You know you're never going to

1238
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,240
get in if you signal.
So you just got to shoot into an

1239
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,880
opening when you get a shot,
right?

1240
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,359
So in Canada, if you signal,
everyone just backs up and makes

1241
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:47,279
an opening for you.
It's just entirely the opposite,

1242
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,880
Entirely opposite, right?
And like my girlfriend, every

1243
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,840
time I go to walk across the
street in Canada, she grabs me

1244
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,319
and and she's like, wait, you
know, 'cause she's from England

1245
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:00,760
and England is even worse than
here, where as far as, like in

1246
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,200
England, pedestrians don't have
any right away, you know, cars.

1247
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,800
Will run over you.
Cars will run over you.

1248
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,800
Absolutely.
Wait till the guy's legs open

1249
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,439
up.
Yeah, and but like in Canada,

1250
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,560
you know, if you even are
getting near a corner, everyone

1251
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,960
stops to get ready in in
preparation of you wanting to

1252
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,160
cross.
The street is your place in

1253
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,640
Canada.
Up like a ski.

1254
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,359
Ski you?
Know Banff?

1255
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,560
Banff.
Yeah, yeah, that's where you

1256
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,600
are.
Yeah, it's.

1257
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:30,760
Beautiful.
There it is nice.

1258
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,600
Yes, really nice.
It's really nice.

1259
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,160
I mean, I bought it.
I bought it.

1260
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,399
I bought it 20 years ago.
You know, I built it 20 years

1261
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,240
ago.
So I probably couldn't afford to

1262
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,960
buy it today.
You know, it's it's gone up so

1263
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,399
much like you know.
It has found where you are too.

1264
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,640
I mean, it's insane, my.
Parents are probably rolling in

1265
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:55,400
their grave over what what the
property in the house that we

1266
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,160
had in South Miami and was when
they sold it to now.

1267
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,160
Yeah, South Miami.
Miami in general is just going

1268
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,320
nuts right now because the tech
business in Miami is is just

1269
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,240
booming, you know, So you've
got.

1270
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,760
All these is that where the
dough is, that where a lot of

1271
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,600
the dough's coming from is a
tech business.

1272
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,520
In Miami, in in up where I am.
I'm in Wellington in Palm Beach

1273
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,280
and it's more just regular
people moving in from New York.

1274
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,240
They sell a condo in New York
for like 2 1/2 million like a a

1275
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:31,520
1400 foot condo for two and a
half $3,000,000 and they come

1276
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,120
down here and they buy a a 4000
square foot place on a on the

1277
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,280
Intercoastal you know and still
have money leftover and they're

1278
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,640
like.
They have money leftover, that's

1279
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:40,400
right.
Yeah.

1280
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,080
And they don't pay and they
don't pay sales tax, you know,

1281
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,240
or I'm sorry, income tax.
Here in Nashville, these people

1282
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,760
from California are moving here
and and they're like, wow, we

1283
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,960
got a lot of extra money.
And yeah, you know, but and the

1284
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,520
home prices are, you know, I
mean I mean I've seen I've got

1285
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:04,040
quite a bit of equity now on in
our home, but yeah.

1286
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,600
It gets tempting though, right?
Like when you know just using.

1287
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,000
Where you going to?
Go.

1288
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,560
Well, that's the problem.
You know, like somebody comes

1289
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,120
and says I'll pay you three
times what you paid for your

1290
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,200
house.
Great.

1291
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,400
Then what do I do?
You know, like then I'm in the

1292
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,080
market now for a house that I
can't afford.

1293
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,520
Right?
So it's crazy.

1294
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,440
Yeah.
It's nuts.

1295
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,240
So you know, my I, I went
through divorce around the same

1296
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:35,000
time my girlfriend did and she
had a small rental house in in

1297
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,440
South Florida.
And because we were going to

1298
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:41,280
start spending half the year up
in Canada, you know, we just, we

1299
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,240
had a conversation.
We were like, hey, we could go

1300
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,400
try and buy something bigger
right now and and you know, move

1301
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,240
in together.
I was renting a place at the

1302
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,360
time and she said no, I got this
place.

1303
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,920
It's paid for.
It's right there in Wellington.

1304
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,080
It's small, but we're only going
to spend 6 months of the year

1305
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:58,920
there.
What do you think?

1306
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:03,000
And I was like, you know what?
And both both our kids are are

1307
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,960
like they should be out of the
house by now, but they're not.

1308
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,520
And so they're on their way out.
But you know, you give them very

1309
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,120
small space and eventually
they'll just be like, dad, I got

1310
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,800
no room for anything good.
Move out, move out.

1311
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,600
You know so.
I'm going to try that.

1312
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:24,280
So I mean we keep talking about
it, but it's like why would we

1313
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,360
even bother?
You know we've got enough here.

1314
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,320
It's big enough, it's good, it's
fine.

1315
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,920
And you know then we go up to
the place in Canada and in

1316
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,240
Canada we got loads of room and
and it's it's just like the

1317
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,360
views are unbelievable out both
ends of the house it's.

1318
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,360
Yeah, it's.
Crazy nice.

1319
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,480
It's I'm just not a snow.
I'm not into the snow.

1320
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,160
I'm not a fan of being cold.
Yeah, it's.

1321
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,120
If I'm sitting by the fireplace,
it's great to look at.

1322
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,000
Yeah, but eventually you got to
get outside and go to the

1323
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,320
grocery store or whatever,
right?

1324
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,400
Yeah, right.
And and then it's like.

1325
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,920
Holy shit.
Now I would rather be sweating

1326
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,520
and having to go to the grocery
store.

1327
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,840
Yeah, I'm with you.
I I get it.

1328
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,840
I I completely understand.
You know, for me, again, it's

1329
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,560
people and lifestyle and stuff
like that that I'm more

1330
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,720
attracted to.
Plus, my family's up there, so

1331
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,720
whenever we're in Canada, I'm
constantly doing things with

1332
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,560
friends that I haven't really
been that connected to in 2530

1333
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:22,200
years and with my family.
So I don't know, it's nostalgic,

1334
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,400
it's fun, I like it.
So the.

1335
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,800
My family down in Florida swims,
swims around the water and they

1336
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,480
got teeth and they got tails.
I was going to say, so I want to

1337
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:34,800
talk about this because, you
know, I've always been a fan of

1338
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,040
your photography and you know
some of those pictures where you

1339
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,520
can like you can count the
cavities in their teeth and

1340
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,480
stuff, right?
Like you can you can see what

1341
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:48,400
they had for lunch based on the
stuff that's in their teeth.

1342
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,200
And you're getting really close
to these sharks and taking some

1343
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,000
unbelievable pictures and stuff
and have.

1344
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,720
A lot of fun doing it.
What got you into that though?

1345
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,600
Like where?
Where'd that passion come from?

1346
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,120
Was it accidental or?
Well, I started scuba diving in

1347
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,120
1975.
My dad said.

1348
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,040
Hey, when soon as you turn.
When soon as you turn, I think

1349
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,000
it was 13 or whatever, we're
going, we're going to go and

1350
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,440
we're going to get certified,
all right.

1351
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,920
So we went to the classes and
all, and I went through them and

1352
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,320
I finally got certified.
Over the years I upped my

1353
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,880
certifications.
I'm at rescue divers with water

1354
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,720
diver, underwater photographer,
advanced open water.

1355
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:40,680
But so I did all that stuff and
I was on a trip over in the

1356
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,280
Bahamas.
And just so the Bahamas is, if

1357
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,320
you want to see sharks, that's
the place to go.

1358
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,560
Yeah, they're protected in the
Bahamas, so and I think they

1359
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,760
know that, but.
They're protected how?

1360
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,320
By the government or they're
protected by the government or

1361
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,720
because of all the.
By the government?

1362
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,240
Yeah, you cannot fish for sharks
in the Bahamas.

1363
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:04,840
Oh, I did not know that.
And the reefs there are in

1364
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,240
really good shape.
And what makes a really makes a

1365
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:14,960
reef in really good shape is
shark population, because sharks

1366
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,840
eat the dead, the dying and the
disease.

1367
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,800
They're the cleaners of the
ocean, right?

1368
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,240
But we were, I was on this
sitting in the back of the boat

1369
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,520
and we were getting ready to go
down on a shark time.

1370
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,680
I'm looking over the side and
they're swimming at the surface.

1371
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,360
I'm like, fuck man, how we
getting in the water?

1372
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,400
Right, That's hilarious.
The guy looks at me because it

1373
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,400
was just me and another person,
right.

1374
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,920
I remember the guy's name is
Fred.

1375
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,480
So Fred says don't worry about
anything.

1376
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:48,600
These sharks have been on every
Discovery Channel show, every,

1377
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,120
you know, natural, all the all
the animal shows, Animal Planet

1378
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,920
just fine.
And I'm thinking myself, yeah,

1379
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:01,640
OK, And you're going to go down
there with a bucket of food?

1380
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,560
That's hilarious.
So you get down on the bottom

1381
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,760
and there's these rocks.
So you get down on the bottom

1382
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,560
with your knees, Put the rock
between your knees and it kind

1383
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,080
of helps.
You're overweighted a bit and he

1384
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,800
comes swimming down with this
little bucket.

1385
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,120
It was like a like a thing you
get at the bank.

1386
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,200
It's just a bit larger, right?
You know, you put your deposit

1387
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,680
in fills filled with food, sets
it out in the middle of this

1388
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,360
arena.
These sharks just come flying in

1389
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,800
and they were amazing.
Every time time that back tail

1390
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,240
moved, they moved six feet.
They were more.

1391
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,880
They were just majestic.
And I was like, fuck, I'm this

1392
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,280
is cool, right?
And I'm taking it.

1393
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,480
I had a little Instamatic kind
of camera and housing and I'm

1394
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:52,280
taking some pictures.
They were crap, but it was cool

1395
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:56,000
so and so now move forward a
bit.

1396
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,360
I'm still diving and diving, so
I went for my birthday.

1397
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:08,120
It was 2009, went over to the
went out with Jim Abernathy, who

1398
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,720
is based out of West Palm Beach.
He's world renowned.

1399
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,680
He's called him the Shark
whisperer.

1400
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,800
He taught me how to take
pictures, how to, how to get

1401
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,640
close, what to do, what to look
for.

1402
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:27,280
Amazing guy.
Lots of energy is very wildlife

1403
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:28,960
cons.
It's all about Wildlife

1404
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,960
Conservation.
But I went on this trip and

1405
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,720
there was a there was a shark
out there named Emma.

1406
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:42,240
And Emma is 16 feet.
I got a picture of her right

1407
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,160
here.
Oh, yeah, if you can see it.

1408
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,520
Yeah.
But that's actually me on that

1409
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,360
trip.
That's the first first time, so

1410
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,520
I went for my birthday.
That's a big ass shark for your

1411
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,360
first time.
Yeah.

1412
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,280
Oh yeah.
Were you like shitting?

1413
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,920
Yourself during that picture.
Because I was over that fear.

1414
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,760
I was completely over that fear
from that one dive.

1415
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,720
I was more I was just interested
in them and they're she's big.

1416
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:16,480
So anyway, he he's we've got the
bait down there.

1417
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,560
And the one thing he told me, he
says, you need a couple things

1418
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,360
you're going to always pay
attention to what's going on

1419
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:28,120
your heads on a spindle, always
those big tiger sharks.

1420
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,560
There's not just one of them in
the water, There's five or six

1421
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,600
of them at the same time.
The one you're focusing on, just

1422
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,560
the one in front of you who
might be off of ways.

1423
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,800
There might be another one
coming from behind you.

1424
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,920
So for a long time I put a
bicycle mirror on my on my

1425
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,080
camera, on my camera gear
because now I get shooting the

1426
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:51,200
big huge thing, you know, it's
like, yeah, so I put a mirror on

1427
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,800
her so I can see behind me what
was going on because they did

1428
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,800
come in, they're very sneaky.
So I did that.

1429
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,520
That was the first trip that I
did and and that was when I was,

1430
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,920
that was the first time I was
around these big tiger sharks.

1431
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,240
And he said also you want to get
an award-winning picture.

1432
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,680
The key to that is get as close
as you can.

1433
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,640
I'm thinking, OK, all right,
they come right up.

1434
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,840
They, I mean, they.
I got a picture of one right on

1435
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,000
my mask.
Yeah.

1436
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:27,160
But so that's what got me that
that was the final bit.

1437
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,800
So now I got, I've been to Tiger
Beach now probably I guess 16

1438
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,920
times.
In fact I was there last June

1439
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:40,800
and we had five at one time and
they were all big, big sharks

1440
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,680
and you know they're they're
just cool.

1441
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,040
And then there's all the other
shit that's going on around

1442
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,400
behind you got lemon sharks
swimming around, you got reef

1443
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,360
sharks swimming around.
You got an occasional bull

1444
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,640
shark.
Right now it's hammerhead season

1445
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,040
over in the Bahamas they come in
to ensure, so there's

1446
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,960
hammerheads.
You got all that going on?

1447
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:05,880
So, you know, it's my very first
night dive that I did ever was

1448
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,280
in Key West.
And you know, I wasn't into it

1449
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,760
as much as you're into it.
Like I I had my own boats and I

1450
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,720
would, I would anchor to a buoy
out off the off Fort Lauderdale

1451
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,920
beach or something, right.
And just go down to a a reef and

1452
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,440
every once in a while I'd find a
wreck, go out to a wreck or

1453
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:26,360
something.
But I didn't do it a lot.

1454
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,240
I did it.
I don't know, I I did quite a

1455
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,800
quite a bit of diving, but I
never got to where I was like,

1456
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,640
oh, I got to go to, you know,
the Galapagos or something.

1457
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,360
Like I I never got like that,
right.

1458
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:41,080
I just never really got the bug.
But anyways, I was in Key West

1459
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,320
and I don't remember who I was
with one of my friends or

1460
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,520
something and he wanted to do a
night dive.

1461
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:47,880
I was like, OK, cool, I'll do
it.

1462
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:54,680
And so we we, we book a night
dive with an operator, I think.

1463
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,600
Or did we do it on our own?
I can't remember.

1464
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,320
Anyways, it was just him and I
though, so it had to be just on

1465
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,360
our own or maybe it was a
chartered boat that we did.

1466
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,760
Anyways, we go out and the moon
is so bright that night.

1467
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,320
So you could see it's almost
like daylight under the water,

1468
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:12,320
right?
And we're probably in 18 or 20

1469
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,760
feet of water and it's just a
sand bottom.

1470
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,920
And all of a sudden I'm, look,
I'm, we're swimming along, you

1471
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,360
know, looking for something, a
reef, anything, right.

1472
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,880
We're swimming along and all of
a sudden it goes really dark.

1473
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,880
And I was like, that's weird.
And then, you know, I'm kind of

1474
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,960
nudging him and I'm like, what's
going on?

1475
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,840
And he's like, I don't know and,
you know, didn't think nothing

1476
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,240
of it.
But then you're starting to see

1477
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,000
it's dark, but it's kind of
moving and I'm like, what the

1478
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,760
hell?
So I just rolled over and looked

1479
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,600
up and there were like, I don't
know how many 5060 hammer heads

1480
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,960
I.
Mean.

1481
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,680
It was just an insane number of
hammerhead sharks above us,

1482
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,120
right?
And I was.

1483
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,440
I like, I think I probably held
my breath for a minute.

1484
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,640
I was just like, what the hell?
Like nothing you can do at that

1485
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,440
point except just, you know, lay
there with my arms crossed,

1486
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,800
trying not to move too much and
just watching them right?

1487
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,240
And they wanted nothing to do
with us.

1488
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,320
They were just, you know,
looking around for whatever they

1489
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,160
were looking for.
But.

1490
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,000
Oh, yeah, that's that's what
they do, that's what.

1491
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,320
I was always when I was on reefs
and stuff like in Fort

1492
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,200
Lauderdale occasionally a reef
shark or or something would not

1493
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,520
or a you know occasionally a
tiger shark but usually it was

1494
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,120
reef sharks and they were
usually pretty small 6 or 8 feet

1495
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,960
and but I was always more
concerned with the barracudas,

1496
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,480
you know those ones, they're a
little more unpredictable and a

1497
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:39,920
little more aggressive at.
Yeah, they're yeah, they're kind

1498
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,520
of weird.
They're just because they're

1499
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,400
just sitting there looking at
you the whole time, right?

1500
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,200
And their mouth is open, their
mouth is open too.

1501
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,400
They sit with their mouth open,
you know, and and it's just like

1502
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,000
intimidating.
That's that's a good word for

1503
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,560
it, yeah.
Intimidating because they're not

1504
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,320
going to be.
As soon as you swim towards

1505
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,520
them, they're gone.
Right.

1506
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,160
Yeah, yeah.
Well, unless you got something

1507
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,960
in your hand, you know, like if
you're if you're if you're

1508
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,520
grabbing lobster or like
spearfishing, you know, if

1509
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,600
you're spearfishing and and
you've got a fish on a spear,

1510
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,440
they will come after that fish
and and if they accidentally hit

1511
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:16,600
your hand instead, you know
they'll take off a couple

1512
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,920
fingers or something.
They're nasty, Those.

1513
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,560
Freaking.
I was trying to get a picture

1514
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,400
one time of a lionfish and the
the guy was with one of the guys

1515
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,440
that was with me was he had a
gig with him and he was going to

1516
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:30,440
get this lionfish and I go stop,
stop, stop, stop.

1517
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,680
I want to get a picture of him
so I'm snapped.

1518
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,920
You know, I'm like I rapid fire
when I when I shoot, right?

1519
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,440
Yeah, yeah, 'cause every time
they they're always moving some.

1520
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,640
Yeah, Sharks.
Well, the shot might be the

1521
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,120
112th one you take.
That's the shot, right.

1522
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,800
So yeah, rapid fire my.
Hard drive.

1523
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,280
So I've got so many.
I've got thousands and

1524
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,720
thousands.
Oh, I can only imagine, yeah.

1525
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:00,680
Over 100,000 but and I do a lot
of wedding out but as soon as I

1526
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,920
got the picture he gigged that
fucking lionfish and then the

1527
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:10,240
next thing you know there's.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1528
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,280
I do that again.
No.

1529
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,960
Have you ever had a moment like
where it was a?

1530
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:23,000
Couple times where I was out
doing a night dive and I was

1531
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,600
taking a picture of the same
thing I was talking about.

1532
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,840
I was taking a picture of a of a
shark over here and the next

1533
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,720
thing I knew I had a tiger shark
and it's had buried into into my

1534
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,720
crotch.
Mouth not open, just buried into

1535
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,400
my crotch.
Of course you shove it away.

1536
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,840
I quickly moved my camera.
That camera is so big.

1537
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,560
They it's a it's like a barrier
that.

1538
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,400
So there's no problem there.
But I had another one.

1539
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,960
You know what My when I'm
holding on to my camera I'm

1540
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:59,240
shooting like this And one I had
one nip on the top of my hand.

1541
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,840
Didn't break the skin.
No nothing.

1542
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,520
Didn't even tear my glove.
But yeah, they know.

1543
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,920
And that's what happens when
they bite something, When they

1544
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,400
bite a human, they're not like
picking them out to this is I'm

1545
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,200
going to go out to this guy.
They they bite something, they

1546
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,600
figure out that it's not what
they're supposed.

1547
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,160
It's not part of their diet, it.
Ain't food and they.

1548
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,920
Spit it out.
Unfortunately, the people that

1549
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:28,440
die or lose a limb, they've
struck an artery and they've

1550
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:31,480
either they've they've probably
bled to death or done so much

1551
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:35,120
damage from the bite it's
irreparable.

1552
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:37,520
So.
You get bitten by one of these

1553
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,600
big tiger sharks.
Yeah, yeah.

1554
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,640
Ain't going to go well, yeah.
You ain't going to?

1555
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:46,040
Yeah, No.
But you know, you're often doing

1556
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:50,880
this at Tiger Beach, right?
And so I think, and you can

1557
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,680
correct me if I'm wrong, I think
it's a bit different when you're

1558
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,440
in open water and you're all by
yourself diving down on a reef

1559
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:01,360
or something and you run into a
hungry tiger shark and maybe,

1560
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,200
maybe, you know, there's four or
five foot waves above you.

1561
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,040
So it's kicked up a little bit,
It's a little murky, a little

1562
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,480
dirty the water.
And that's when I get nervous,

1563
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,360
that's when I get a bit nervous
and I don't, I don't get scared.

1564
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,520
I just.
I keep my eye on them real.

1565
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,760
Close the The one thing that we
do at Tiger Beach is you can

1566
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:26,960
always see the boat you're in 20
if anything, 22 feet of water.

1567
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,200
If you bought them times
forever, it's easy to get back

1568
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,400
to the boat.
Most of those sharks, the

1569
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,240
tigers, all have been given
names.

1570
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,000
So there's so many people that
go there and the sharks stay in

1571
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,720
that area.
They know.

1572
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,080
It's like the fact when our boat
pulls up, the sharks come.

1573
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,040
The rest of them are, you know,
they're travelers.

1574
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,560
They travel from all over.
You know, they might be, you

1575
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,120
know, they they migrate just
like a lot of the other animals

1576
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,440
in in the Kingdom do, but.
Yeah.

1577
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,960
What do you say to the argument
though, that that what you're

1578
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,760
doing is wrong and it's just
making the sharks not afraid of

1579
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,680
humans and like shark feeding?
I know in South Florida there's

1580
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,120
a lot of that chatter that goes
on.

1581
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,160
You know that.
Oh yeah.

1582
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,360
Oh yeah.
I I I have a couple friends.

1583
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,640
I have another friend, Ryan,
right at Ryan Walton.

1584
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:26,440
Right.
Shark tours Florida he he they

1585
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:30,480
go out and snorkel just outside
the limit that the barrier that

1586
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:35,280
the government you know the
government waters US waters you

1587
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,880
have to be outside the territory
waters to to be able to feed

1588
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,120
sharks any kind of animals
against the law to feed feed.

1589
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,560
Yeah, I forgot what it might be.
Three years is it?

1590
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:53,360
It's 3 1/2 I think. 3 1/2 I
think it is so, but I there's

1591
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,800
sharks are worth more alive than
they are dead.

1592
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,320
And there's a lot of people
feeding them, a lot of people.

1593
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,760
What it does do is it opens
people's eyes.

1594
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:09,040
It's changing the perspective
that you can dive with these

1595
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,200
things and they're not.
They're not, man.

1596
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,040
Eaters.
Yeah, they're they're really

1597
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,000
not.
I agree with that part of the

1598
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,800
story.
But the the part, I guess that

1599
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:23,400
that people latch on to is the
fact that by feeding them,

1600
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,840
you're making both their lives
and the lives of of the humans

1601
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,320
who are going to be encountering
them are are worse, more

1602
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,400
dangerous.
And, you know, just like feeding

1603
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,400
bears, you know, people used to
argue about this, you know, in

1604
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,040
Canada, because I remember
growing up, we'd stop the

1605
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,720
station wagon and we'd all jump
out and throw food to the bear

1606
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,120
that we'd see on the side of the
road.

1607
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,360
Right.
But then what was happening is

1608
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,280
eventually bears go, hey, I'm
going to get fed close to the

1609
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,760
highway.
That's where the good food is,

1610
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,440
peanut butter sandwiches and
stuff, right?

1611
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,560
Get those next to the highway
and bears are getting run over

1612
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,160
because you know they're going
to the highway to get fed more

1613
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,480
and more and more of them,
right?

1614
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,840
And then or you go and you're
trying to take pictures and you

1615
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,360
don't have any food and they get
pissed off and they're like,

1616
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,880
fuck you, you ain't feeding me.
I'm going to bite you, Dick

1617
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:14,200
head.
Yeah.

1618
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,960
Exactly.
Well, that's not why people are

1619
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,120
getting bitten that go to the
beach or whatever.

1620
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,720
The reason they're getting
they're getting bitten is

1621
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,120
because they're in the water
splashing around #1.

1622
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,600
They're simulating what a dead
fish or a dying fish would seal

1623
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,520
or seal.
So that's number one.

1624
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,560
They're they're, they're and
they're doing it.

1625
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,640
They're in the water where
they're down the street or down

1626
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,680
the beach.
There's ten people fishing or

1627
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,120
there's a fishing pier right
there.

1628
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,640
So they're automatic.
They're offering food because,

1629
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:56,160
but they're not out just, you
know, I always if as a rule for

1630
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,960
me, I won't go in the water if I
can't see my feet.

1631
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:03,240
Yeah, that's the other yeah,
that's The thing is when when

1632
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,840
the water is really dirty and
murky and you you don't have 10

1633
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,040
feet of visibility, the shark
can't see you either.

1634
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,120
So they just think your food
something's moving.

1635
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,680
Sharks work on sharks have a
lateral line that runs from the

1636
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,480
front of their body to the back
and and they feel that

1637
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:23,680
vibration, they feel, they feel,
they even feel the drop in

1638
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:28,280
pressure, right.
So when you're splashing around

1639
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,560
you're feeling that and they're
going to go to wherever that

1640
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,120
noise is because they they don't
know that it's not prey or it's

1641
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:42,720
not something dead or dying.
So so to those sharks are not

1642
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,240
biting because they're getting
used to being around people and

1643
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,320
feeding they're they're doing
their normal thing you know that

1644
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,240
and when and when they come in
and they've they're most sharks

1645
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:58,080
live birth So that shallow water
also helps them gives them kind

1646
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:03,720
of say not so much a grip but
it's easy they because they turn

1647
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,560
over and upside down they spin
around when they're having their

1648
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,960
pups yeah so yeah.
So do you ever, do you ever

1649
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,560
dream of like someday retiring
from our industry and and

1650
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,760
actually earning, you know
retirement pay by being a an

1651
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:24,360
ocean photographer or?
Something, well, you know, it's

1652
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,640
it'd be a really tough
transition financially.

1653
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,400
Well, of course, right, of
course.

1654
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:36,320
I do sell a few photos.
I just, I just put together a

1655
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:39,480
book I'm going to do now.
I'm it's called Submerged.

1656
01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:42,960
I'm going to do another one now.
Where should people get that

1657
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,600
book?
Once I once I figure out how I

1658
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,560
want to do it, it'll probably be
an Amazon thing.

1659
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,480
Oh, so it's not.
It's not available yet?

1660
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,440
Not yet.
I've already I got the, I got a

1661
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:57,640
first copy of it, so it's going
to and it looks really good.

1662
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,160
I got some stuff to clean up but
I'm also going to do on nothing

1663
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:05,520
but sharks and you know sharks
are my friends, so.

1664
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,040
Yeah.
Let's see, I I could if I wasn't

1665
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:14,680
doing this, then all my energy
that I have that I put forth in

1666
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:19,120
the in what we do here at
Premiere Global, I could

1667
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,840
probably make a pretty good go
of it.

1668
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,200
I don't try very hard.
I post them on social media

1669
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:29,360
mainly so that my friends can,
that may not ever.

1670
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,480
They can live.
They can live through my photos

1671
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,640
and and and and see what really
is below.

1672
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,520
You know, they all take cruises
and stuff and they go out on

1673
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,120
boats and they fish, yeah, but
then they go down and really

1674
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,440
look what's there.
As your buddy, here's what I'd

1675
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:49,920
tell you is just get some young
person that you know who's got

1676
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,640
some time and won't charge you a
fortune.

1677
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:57,680
Get them to set up a really
quick Shopify shop for you and

1678
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:02,800
and just put all of your photos
on this Shopify shop and

1679
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,160
obviously you got to put them
in, you know, low res so that

1680
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,320
people aren't just grabbing them
and they got to be watermarked

1681
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,960
and all that stuff but them all
on a Shopify store.

1682
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,160
And then when you post them to
social media, instead of posting

1683
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,560
the picture, post the Shopify
link so that when somebody

1684
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,040
clicks on the picture, it
immediately allows them to buy

1685
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,320
that picture in a few different
formats like a low res format, a

1686
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,720
high res format, a you know,
whatever you can.

1687
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,560
Do that.
I do have a website you can go

1688
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,560
to and you can pick out what
however you I have several you

1689
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:38,280
know Pictorium and then I'm on
also on on SmugMug.

1690
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,560
OK so and there's those are
sites where you can go in and

1691
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,120
hey I like that picture.
I want to buy it.

1692
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,520
You can buy it.
You can buy it on a coffee cup.

1693
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:50,600
You can buy it a mural.
Even one of them does they.

1694
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,640
Do I'm going to have to go look
at that because I love those.

1695
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,560
Things the links.
Every, every time you post a

1696
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,360
shark picture, I I stop and open
it and look at it and I'm blown

1697
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:01,120
away.
Every time.

1698
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,160
Like, you've definitely done a
really good job with that.

1699
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,920
And I can tell you're getting
better too, as time goes on, you

1700
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,160
know, and braver.
Carter has a better camera than

1701
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,160
I do and he goes, Dad, you got
to get, you can need one of

1702
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,520
these.
I'm like now because if I change

1703
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,280
cameras and I got to change
housings and I got to change

1704
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:27,320
gears and I got to change ports
and I it's like, no, I've

1705
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,560
mastered this camera.
I'm going to stick with it

1706
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,520
because I'm not doing, I still
use AD 7000.

1707
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,480
I've been using it for 10 years.
But once you figure out how to

1708
01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:40,920
use something, yeah, it's like
they always say it's not all

1709
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,560
it's you know it's.
Well, it's kind of like all

1710
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,960
these guys.
Kind of kind of like all these

1711
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,320
guys that suddenly had to Start
learning how to build their

1712
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:55,080
shows on MA threes, you know?
Yeah, yeah, I mean the syntax

1713
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:59,120
and the button presses and just
the stuff that is second nature

1714
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,440
to you.
Suddenly you got to stop

1715
01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:02,560
everything and go, OK, wait,
which button do I press?

1716
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,000
And so everything was just a
little bit different.

1717
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,160
Different enough to slow them
down, so completely different,

1718
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:12,080
so.
Give me you know what we have in

1719
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:18,680
our front office in the lobby
there is a QM AVO Lights QM500

1720
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,920
from the old days.
Whoa, you don't wanna you don't

1721
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,040
wanna drug test that keyboard
tray?

1722
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,280
Wow, yeah, I told the other day
about sniffing cocaine.

1723
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:34,960
Out of the drawer, Yeah, yeah,
well, that's a fun I can't.

1724
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:40,800
So when I first moved to the US
from Canada one of the first

1725
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,640
shows I went to and I won't tell
you which show it was or the LD

1726
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,880
who it was.
But one of the first shows I was

1727
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:49,040
invited to to go watch from
front of house I'm I'm there and

1728
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:55,360
he's got AQM 500 and and while
he was doing the show the LDS

1729
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,920
pulling out this drawer and and
the first couple times he did it

1730
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,680
I was like hang on is that
really what he's doing.

1731
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,560
And and then I'm I'm really
watching closely for him to do

1732
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:09,760
it again and probably, I don't
know, throughout the show 6-7

1733
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,800
times he was doing bumps off the
off the keyboard.

1734
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,560
Drawer that wasn't.
Mötley Crüe wasn't.

1735
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,080
I will never tell.
Yeah, I will never tell.

1736
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,600
But it might have been Ted
Nugent, and I won't tell you.

1737
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:28,000
And I won't tell you who the LD
was, but, but yeah, it was, it

1738
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,880
was pretty wild.
I, you know, again, I was just

1739
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,160
some dumb, naive Canadian.
And I'm seeing this going, what

1740
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,560
is going on?
He's doing drugs right in front

1741
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,960
of freaking 20,000 people.
Yeah, that's crazy.

1742
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,600
So I'm good times.
I'm going to let you get going

1743
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,440
here shortly.
But I want to ask you one thing.

1744
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:50,960
Give me a wild 2024 prediction.
For just.

1745
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,040
Whatever the hell you want.
The industry, politics, the

1746
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:55,760
freaking world.
I don't care.

1747
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:03,160
Well, one Trump beats out all
the bullshit that's up against

1748
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,560
him, he will be the president.
I don't know that that's that

1749
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,920
wild.
Scott will be his guy.

1750
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:11,960
Do you really?
I think so.

1751
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,400
We might have to make a small
wager, I don't know.

1752
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,600
About that.
And then as far as our industry

1753
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,600
is concerned, I think
everybody's going to do really,

1754
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,680
really, really well this year.
Yeah.

1755
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,440
Everybody, I don't think you're
wrong.

1756
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:28,680
All the manufacturers.
Some manufacturers have been

1757
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:32,080
crying to me a little bit
because it started with a thud.

1758
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,480
You know, January was way below
expectations.

1759
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,000
Answer their fucking phone.
Craig Burroughs.

1760
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,360
Yeah, well, you're not going to
be.

1761
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,120
I don't care.
To fucking throw anybody out

1762
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,000
there.
You're you're not going to

1763
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,720
change whether Craig answers his
phone or not overnight, you

1764
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:51,600
know, because, I mean, that's
been a 25 year problem, You

1765
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,600
know, he didn't answer his phone
30 years ago when he was at high

1766
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:55,320
end.
We can do it now.

1767
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,720
Yeah.
So love the guy to death, but

1768
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:02,920
try getting him on the phone.
Yeah, that's funny.

1769
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,840
Honestly, I think that that's
what's going to happen.

1770
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,480
I think everybody's going to do
really well this.

1771
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:08,960
Year.
Yeah.

1772
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,080
Good.
I hope that's.

1773
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:14,480
I hope that's the truth.
Thanks, and I hope that I hope

1774
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:19,440
from doing this today I haven't
pissed anybody off, but then if

1775
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,800
I did, who fucking cares?
Well, you never have.

1776
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,480
I've never known you to be
somebody who gave a shit.

1777
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,800
No, no, I mean, we we stayed out
of the controversy, I think.

1778
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,320
And and you know, reality is
what reality is.

1779
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,920
And there's some weird shit
going on in the world right now.

1780
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,760
And I don't agree with all of
it, that's for sure.

1781
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:42,000
I know you don't either.
So yeah, I appreciate you taking

1782
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,760
some time today, Creech and let
me know when you're coming down

1783
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,160
to Fort Lauderdale or Riviera or
wherever you.

1784
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,640
Go out of.
I see it in my real near future,

1785
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,920
to be honest with you.
Yeah, let me know.

1786
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,120
Let me know.
We can grab dinner, a drink,

1787
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,480
lunch, whatever you got time
for.

1788
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,200
And I'll and I'll get you into
the show this time.

1789
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,920
I don't care.
I don't bug people for.

1790
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,280
I don't bug people for shows
anymore.

1791
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:07,240
The next one might be Lynyrd
Skynyrd, to be honest with you.

1792
01:39:07,480 --> 01:39:09,000
Yeah, because I've never seen
them.

1793
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,520
Yeah, it's still, it's there's.
I'd be coming to hang out with

1794
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,520
you.
I'd be coming to hang out with.

1795
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:23,080
You they are, but they are still
the best southern rock band.

1796
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,680
Out, of course, no, They put on.
And playing all the hits.

1797
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:31,800
And they're the the band.
Johnny Van Zandt's Sweet as a

1798
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,640
Peach.
Great guy Tosser is out there

1799
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,520
now.
Tosser's Now Steven Doris has

1800
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,080
took his spot.
God bless Steve Viduras.

1801
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:45,360
Yeah, and you know, this year
it's it's again, Lynyrd Skynyrd

1802
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,440
and ZZ Top.
So cool.

1803
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:48,960
Another one out there.
Another icon.

1804
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:50,360
Let me know when you're down
here.

1805
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,320
I'd love to come see.
You I will do, I will do.

1806
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:53,720
All right.
Cool.

1807
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,120
Thank you.
We'll talk to you later.

1808
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,240
All right.
Thanks guys.

1809
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:11,520
Bye.
Yeah.