#340 - Kent Black - memorable experiences with iconic artists

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The other great tour, I didn't
mention it was Yanni.

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I was Yanni's.
I, you know, we did the diamond

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tour in 96 and a buddy of ours,
Anthony Sabil, who's Yanni's

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right hand man, calls us going,
I need help.

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We're going to India.
We're playing the Taj Mahal.

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That that was the hardest gig
any of us have ever done in our

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life.
We were in the riverbed behind

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it in the Yomai River.
And it was, it was a March.

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It was a dry season, so huge.
It was in sand.

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You know, doing shows in sand
sucks.

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It just we built, we built a
full blown 6000 seat venue in

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the sand.
And six weeks later we flew back

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and we were in Beijing and we're
in the Forbidden City and we did

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a show, you know, the Forbidden
City is a pretty amazing place

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and we pulled that one out.
We did three shows, right?

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And that was a great adventure.
Hello and thanks for joining me

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again.
My hair is a mess.

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So today it's actually as I'm
recording this, it's right

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before New Year's.
It's in between Christmas and

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New Year's 2025, of course.
And you know, one thing I will

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say is that in our industry,
Christmas slash New Year's just

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lands differently.
It hits differently in our

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industry.
And for one thing, so many

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people are still working.
You know, they're either doing

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Christmas shows of some sort or
they're doing New Year's

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celebrations or they're doing
taxes or they're doing something

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like, it just feels like most of
our industry is still working at

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this time and don't get to shut
down.

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And therefore my, my company
doesn't shut down either or my

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companies don't shut down
either.

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And in fact, we don't really
shut down at all.

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We're, we're online businesses.
So whether or not everyone's

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working, we're still open
generally.

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But our industry just, you know,
it lands differently.

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And one of the other things
that's happening right now is a

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lot of companies are sort of
resetting CapEx needs.

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I've had a lot of conversations
around valuations, around what's

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hot, what's not, you know, what
should I spend money on next

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year?
It's actually something that I'm

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building a company around
that'll launch sometime,

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probably in Q2 of 2026 called
Gear IQ, where companies in our

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industry for the first time ever
will actually be able to make

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data backed decisions as opposed
to, you know, deciding to buy

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something based on a whim or
based on a single rental or

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based on who you like, you know,
that you went out for steak

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dinner with at the trade show.
Instead, you'll be basing it on

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what is the industry actually
looking for?

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What is the most popular?
What has the most longevity?

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What has the best resale value?
What has the highest utilization

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rates Industry wide in my
country, in other countries.

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So I'll be able to provide you
very soon with all of that data

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in a very simple process where
you will be able to make again

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data supported decisions, not
just, you know, sticking your

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finger up in the air and
guessing.

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The other thing that I wanted to
mention is I've received some

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pushback on comments that were
made by a guest recently

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concerning our industry having
some sort of responsibility for

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or responsibility towards some
accountability for ticket prices

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in in concert ticketing.
And in reality, you know,

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someone gave me a call and said,
hey, look, you know that comment

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that the person made, he has no
idea what he's talking about.

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Because in reality, prices are
set long before production

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companies ever get involved,
before production companies are

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asked to bid on those shows.
The ticket price is set by

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either, you know, the artist or
the promoter or some combination

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of those and management and you
know, well before production

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company deals are being made.
So production companies, I won't

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say we've never been naughty.
I think we're occasionally

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naughty in our industry.
And I say we, I'm not a

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production company, but I
certainly I am passionate

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towards the industry.
I'm very friendly with

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production companies and I feel
their pain.

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And so again, while people are
not always behaving, you know,

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at their best behaviour,
sometimes they're doing some

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naughty things.
I would say this one's not on

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us.
It's not on our part of the

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industry.
It is got to do with other

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things, you know, that are set
by management, the artist and

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you know, the the promoter.
So I just did want to cover

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that.
Not that I'm correcting a

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mistake, it's one person's
opinion versus somebody else's

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opinion, but I did want to want
to make that mention.

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And finally, I want to actually
believe it or not, I want to

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talk about AI and but I want to
give you a gift.

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It's Christmas.
And So what I want to do is

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basically give you, I know that
a lot of people in our industry

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come to me and they go, hey,
Marcel, you know, I know you

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know a lot about AII haven't
used it at all.

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I'd love to start using it, but
I have no idea.

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Like I just, OK, yeah, I can go
and put in there, you know,

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write me a blog post that is by
far the most basic and boring

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and mundane things that AI will
do for you.

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It does so much better things
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So what I wanted to do is give
you a couple of just small ideas

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on if you've done nothing at all
with AIA, couple of things that

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could be very impactful in your
life or business or both that

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you can start today, literally
today, super simple.

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Basically pick an LLM large
language model, which would be

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either ChatGPT or Grok or Google
Gemini, which is one of my

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favorites now, or Claude.
My suggestion would be depends

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what you need it for.
And so I use the three main ones

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that I use right now are Grok,
ChatGPT, and Gemini 3 Pro from

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Google.
And I use them for different

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things.
You know, ChatGPT has the most

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history on my companies and on
my life and on things that I'm

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working on, whether they're
challenges or new things that

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we're building or whatever.
ChatGPT has a huge amount of

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knowledge of what I'm doing.
Google Gemini is very, very good

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at business decisions, at really
complicated tasks.

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It's very good at creating
images.

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If you want to do a blog post,
for example, that's a little bit

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smarter but has images in it as
well, it's very good at that.

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And also Speaking of Google, I
also use notebook LM.

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And if if anyone wants to know
how to use notebook LM in your

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business or whatever, just hit
me up and I'm happy to share

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some information with you.
Notebook LM is an underutilized,

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incredible tool for businesses,
musicians, artists, whatever you

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are, because it keeps a very
closed sort of universe or, or

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ecosystem around whatever it is
you're doing.

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It's not sharing information,
it's not pulling information

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from the Internet unless you
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It's only using the information
or links or YouTube videos or

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documents that you're providing
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So it's great for things like
knowledge bases and stuff like

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that.
But again, again, reach out to

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me and I'm, I'm happy to talk
through notebook LM with you.

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But today, pick your poison.
Basically, I would suggest that

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if you're going to dive into
this, get a paid account.

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So Google is the easiest because
if you have a Gmail account

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that's a professional account of
any kind, or you use Google

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Drive, if you have a Google
Workspace account, you get

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Gemini Pro for free.
You get Gemini 3 Pro for free.

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And so that might be the most
accessible to you.

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If you have a paid Twitter
account where you get the little

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Twitter check mark, sorry, X
check mark, you can get a

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professional version of Grok.
So you get a paid version of

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Grok with that.
Grok is really fun for personal

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things.
It's great with health things.

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I really like Grok from a
personality standpoint.

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If I just wanted to go hang out
at a bar with somebody, Grok is

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the one that I would pick.
A lot of times when I go on my

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long morning walks, I'll have
conversations with Grok,

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sometimes with ChatGPT, but
usually with Grok because

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they're just.
It's more fun, it's more

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interesting, it's more human
feeling.

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Call it.
So yeah, I would suggest a paid

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version because you're going to
run out of basically you're

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going to run out of time and,
and stuff that you're able to do

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on any of these models if
they're not paid.

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So enough of that, pick your
model.

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The first thing that I'm
suggesting is a 10 minute daily

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AI debrief.
And So what you're going to do

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is you're going to, you're going
to dedicate 10 minutes a day to

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AI probably at the end of your
day, and you're going to just

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basically do a brain dump into
whatever AI model it is.

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You can do this by voice.
You can do it by text.

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You can do it by voice to text.
You can use a number of

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different methods that you want,
but I'd do it the same way every

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day.
And if you're using ChatGPT, do

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it as a project.
If you're using Grok, do it as a

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project.
Gemini doesn't do projects yet.

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And but give it 10 minutes,
you're going to dump your brain,

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you're going to get your plan
and and stop carrying all this

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stuff in your head.
You know the mess that that is

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my brain.
And So what this is going to

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result in is basically a lot
less mental clutter, better,

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faster decisions and fewer sort
of forgotten things, dropped

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balls, etcetera.
So how are you going to do it?

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So what you're going to do is
you're basically going to, if

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you're prompting in text, you're
going to paste in what happened

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today, basically what how did my
day go?

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What are the things that
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What's something that's stuck
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So I accomplished these five
things today.

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I didn't get this one done
because, you know, I ran into a

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problem, blah, blah, blah.
And what tomorrow is really

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important that I cover these
five things.

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And then you're going to ask the
LLM, whichever one it is, please

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give me my top three priorities,
my next 5 actions and two risks

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that I might be ignoring or that
I've been ignoring and keep it

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tight.
And when I say keep it tight, I,

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I often say that when I'm
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otherwise you get these ten page
documents that are useless to

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you and, and it just creates
more work for you than it does

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eliminate work.
And you'll be blown away what

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you get from just that very
simple thing.

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So again, what happened today?
You know, what are the things

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that I accomplished today?
You know, keep it fairly high

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level.
So the top five things, top 10

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things, top three things,
whatever it is, what's stuck.

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So that might be one thing, two
things, three things, and what

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matters the most tomorrow.
And that's however small or

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large you want that list to be.
And then ask it.

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Give me my top three priorities,
the next 5 actions, 2 risks that

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I've been ignoring and keep it
tight.

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So that's, that's number one,
the second thing that you can

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get to today and it's going to
give you a huge amount of value.

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And I do this in a very
different way, but I literally

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probably do this multiple times
per day.

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By the way, if I haven't told
you lately, I talked to AI more

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than I talked to, other than my
fiance, probably anything or

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anyone else in my life, any of
my team members, any of my

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management team, anyone.
I talk to AI more.

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And it's not because I like it
more.

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It's not because I'm a weirdo
recluse, you know, lunatic who

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likes talking to machines.
It's just that I have very

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focused conversations and I get
back the feedback that I'm

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looking for and I get it very
quickly.

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And so it works for me.
I'm not going to say it'll work

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for everybody, but it works for
me.

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So what I'm going to do in this
second example is treat AI as a

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personal coach with daily check
insurance.

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So you're going to check in
every day with AI.

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And again, you can do this in
voice conversations with

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whatever model you've chosen.
You can do it by text or you can

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do it by voice to text.
So at the end of each day,

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you're going to have a short
conversation with AI.

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And similarly to the first one,
you're going to share what went

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well, what didn't go well, and
what's 1 specific thing that you

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want to improve.
And you're going to ask AI for

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very specific feedback, for
suggestions and for a micro

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action for tomorrow.
Very specific, a micro action

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for tomorrow.
Why is this transformative?

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It's transformative because
you're creating consistent self

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reflection.
So you're looking within

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yourself.
You're realizing the things that

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I hit on that I missed on that I
need to do, but you're getting

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expert level coaching.
And one thing I, I don't think

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people either put enough
importance into this or, or even

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know this, but when you're
talking to AI, you're basically

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talking to a group of the
world's experts, all of the

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world's experts in whatever
topic that you're, you're

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looking at.
So whether that topic is coffee,

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the law, healthcare, you know,
art, whatever it is, you've got

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all of the world's expert advice
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And again, sometimes it's not
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advice, you probably want to get
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confirmation from, you know,
your, your lawyer or from your

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doctor.
But I do get really great legal

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advice and really great health
advice from from these large

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language models from AI.
So again, you're getting expert

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level coaching and that's how
top performers grow rapidly.

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But most people, myself
included, can't necessarily

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afford human coaches for
everything.

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So I can't have, you know, an
executive coach plus of this

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coach plus, how do I feel today,
coach plus, you know, a

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basketball coach or whatever.
All the things that I want to

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have coaching on, I can with AI,
but I can't with, you know, a

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room full of humans.
Maybe if you're a 100

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millionaire or a billionaire or
something, you can have all

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these people around you and you
don't need AI.

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But I would still argue that
you're probably getting better

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advice from AI than you are from
a person who's opinionated, who

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might be biased.
Remember, AI removes bias from

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some of these conversations.
At least it's supposed to.

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And you know, we've all seen
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But what you're building is, is
compounding, self-awareness,

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habit change, personal growth.
And what's it costing you?

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Like if you have a paid account,
it might be 20 bucks a month.

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So for, for 20 bucks a month,
you're getting a coach on

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anything that you want coaching
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I'll give you another example.
Set up a camera and, and take

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your golf swing and put your
golf swing into AI and see what

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it tells you.
You know, you don't need a golf

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coach to tell you, hey, you're,
you're tucking your elbow wrong

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there or you're, you're looking
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So, you know, anything like
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I did a really funny one this
morning because my fiance came

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out wearing, OK, what was it?
It was like a leopard print.

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This was her pyjamas, leopard
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pants.
And then Christmas snowflake,

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big, thick, heavy socks.
And I just looked at her and

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laughed.
I said, wow, you are a fashion

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faux pas right now.
And you know, it was hilarious

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because that's just her
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It's super comfortable and she
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The funnier the better.
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without her face, of course,
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me.
And I put it into a couple of

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different versions of AI and the
response was hilarious, but so

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unbelievably accurate.
And like technical, you know, as

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far as what patterns go with
other patterns and why you would

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do this versus this and why it
could be a good idea what she's

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But it really just said it.

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It was, you know, amazingly
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Loungewear to the Extreme was
the final sort of, you know,

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answer that it came up with.
But you're getting, again,

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personal growth at virtually no
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And so those are two things I'm
going to try and give you 1

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maybe on every podcast.
I'll do it a lot quicker because

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this took a long time.
So now what I'd like to do is

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introduce you to today's guest.
Our guest today is Kent Black,

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owner of Paso Productions and a
production manager with over 40

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years in live entertainment.
Kent started as a stagehand in

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the early 80s, spent years
touring with major artists, and

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went on to produce everything
from global corporate events and

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award shows to major concerts
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He has worked with artists like
Neil Diamond, Barbra Streisand,

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and Paul McCartney, collaborated
with brands including Apple,

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Google and Disney, and remains
deeply involved in the concert

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world through Live Nation.
He also serves on the Parnelli

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Awards Board and ran that show
for its first 15 years.

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So again, please join me and
welcome Kent Black to the

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podcast.
Good, Marcel, how's everything?

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How's everything in Florida?
You know, it's Floridian.

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Yeah, Floridian.
It's Florida's a funny state

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because, you know, politically
doesn't matter where you're at,

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but it's a crazy state.
Like whenever something weird

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happens, crazy, nutty, you know,
it always seems to happen in

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Florida.
Yeah, there's always some wacky

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thing happening in Florida.
Yeah, my ex-wife moved there and

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she lived down South of Tampa,
but here in California, getting

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ready to get rained on again a
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I saw that, yeah.
Yeah, even the Rose Rose

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Parade's going to get hammered
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Well, the scary thing in
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necessarily the rain, but it's
the the slides and stuff, you

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know, like houses falling into
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Like it just things go really
bad when places that shouldn't

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get rained all of a sudden get a
bunch of rain.

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Yeah.
I guess, yeah.

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Well, good luck with that.
Hopefully you don't live on, you

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know, the coast in Malibu and
your house is going to fall into

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the water.
Yeah, yeah.

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I'm actually in Camarillo, which
is really nice little town,

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just, yeah, just South of
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Yeah, I, I love it up there.
Yeah, it's nice up there.

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So I appreciate you doing this.
I, I think we met last year at

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the Dining with Dinosaurs thing
at LDI.

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You were there, as I recall.
Yeah, I was there.

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It was great.
So a lot of people, you know,

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Scott DeVos and I didn't even
recognize John Wiseman, so he

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introduced himself to me.
And you know, a lot of those

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people you don't see for a long
time unless you're working on a

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show together.
It's true, isn't it?

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And, and you know, like I, I run
into people who have either lost

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75 lbs or put on 75 lbs and
either way, it's like you're

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who.
What?

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No way, you know, and like some
people even more like I, I

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forget who it was, somebody who
basically lost half his body

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weight and I, I saw him and just
went, Oh my God, if I didn't

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know it was you, I would never
in a million years guess it was

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you.
You know, like.

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Just looked like a completely
different I've.

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Done that, you know, you work on
a show with somebody and 10

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years later you see him, you're
like.

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Yeah.
Well, my favorite line is we've

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done a stupid show together in
the past, and maybe by the end

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of this one we'll figure it out.
Which one That was you?

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Know, yeah, yeah, it's true.
You know, I was, I was a little

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worried like coming out of COVID
when I think it was the first

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LDI show and just running into
people who kind of let

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themselves go during COVID, you
know, we kind of sat on the

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couch and ate Twinkies and
stuff.

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And I was like just thinking,
you know, you're, you're in your

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mid 60s.
You're, you shouldn't be doing

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this.
Like it made me sad because

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we're not here forever.
You got to kind of take care of

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the house that you were given
here, you know, and do your

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best.
And I'm not being judgmental or

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anything.
I just really worry about some

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of my friends who who aren't
taking care of themselves.

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Yeah, at this point, right.
Couple years ago I, I was pretty

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heavy and I just said I got to,
I got to, you know, I've lost

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about 25 lbs since COVID.
Good for you.

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Yeah, good for.
You, you just got to start

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taking care of yourself.
You get up in our neck of the

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woods.
Yeah, well, you know, for me,

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like, I don't know, probably 6-7
years ago before COVID is when I

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lost 35 lbs and never gained it
back.

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And my doctor at the time, I
used to say, doc, what's going

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to kill me?
And he'd say, you know,

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everything's looking pretty
good.

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If I had to pick one thing, it's
your weight.

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You know, you're just, you're
carrying a bit too much weight.

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And that's the stuff, that's
where heart attacks come from.

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And all the bad things, you
know, come from that, that stuff

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around your belly.
You know that ain't.

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Supposed to be there.
So yeah, I worry about my

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friends.
So like, I, I so many really

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great people that I'm looking
at.

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I'm just thinking, I wish I
could get on a soapbox and give

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you a speech, but I'm not going
to do it, you know?

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Yeah, we've always lost a lot of
friends over the years.

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Over the last 10 or 15 years,
too many, well, especially the

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last five, you know, since
COVID, it's just either COVID

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got your all the bad things you
did during COVID got yeah.

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Right.
So, yeah, so you've been doing

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this a while, right?
Like you started I think in the

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80s.
Like I started, I went to

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school.
San Diego State.

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Yeah.
Party Central, Yeah.

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Did you ever work on the road,
Marcel or?

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I didn't as a musician, I did in
Canada.

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I was a a touring musician, but
I never worked as a as a crew

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guy on the road or anything.
Yeah, so San Diego State right

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in the middle of campus was a
4500 seat Amphitheatre built,

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built by the WPA in the 30s in
the side of a hill.

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And it it and back then there
was only two places in San Diego

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do shows.
There was either the sports

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Arena, which is still there,
believe it or not, looks like it

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looks like an arena right out of
the 60s or the OA TS.

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They called it at San Diego
State and it was all run by

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students, you know, ushers, sage
hands security and it was a

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great place.
But it was a hell of a load in

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it really because it was down in
the ground and you know it.

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You know, by the time they
started doing they had built a

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big library right behind it.
So the trucks we have to get

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unloaded up on up on the level
of the library push 200 feet

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down a freight elevator, 100
feet down a tunnel to get onto

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the stage.
And and then there was no roof

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and so we had to use Genie
towers.

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I don't know if you remember
those things of.

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Course.
And, and the road guys would

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call it the pit.
I mean, and if it's was over 12

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feet, like a scenic element or
anything, we had to carry it

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down the side of the hill, which
we call the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

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Oh my goodness.
And about once or twice a year

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is on the loadout.
You know, everybody's pushing

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cases and they'd hit the
elevator doors and the elevator

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shut down at 12 O clock on a
Saturday night.

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And we're carrying the ring out.
Oh no.

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How big is this venue?
It's 45145 hundred seats. 4500

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seats, yeah.
So it's a decent sized venue.

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Yeah, but it's, but a lot of us
got started there.

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I, I started there in, in the
early 80s as a stage and making

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$4.00 an hour, you know, then we
hit overtime.

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Really.
Yeah, it's $6.00 an hour.

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Yeah.
It's hilarious.

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And.
And the venue still has no roof

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today.
It's, yeah, it's, it's got a

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roof and they put in a big
outdoor freight elevator like,

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like it was, it's 10 feet by 20
feet that, and I was the first

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one to use it.
I was on the road with the music

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of Andrew and Lloyd Webber.
I got, I was the first one to

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use.
It was, it was kind of funny,

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you know?
And you're telling all the young

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kids, you know what I used to
have to do?

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Here.
Yeah, right.

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Yeah.
Yeah, and they don't believe

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you, of course.
It made it made it a lot easier

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to get shows in it.
I mean, you could you can throw

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a half a truck onto that thing,
you know, and just takes it

445
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right down.
But there was a lot of people

446
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that came out there.
Mike McDonald became head of JPL

447
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on ATK, Nevin, Klig, Klig
Industries, a lot of guys.

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We just, you know, we just
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449
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469
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Since, you know, I was working
for Stanley Clark, you know, if

470
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,360
you've ever heard of Stan.
Horse, I was a bass player.

471
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,960
Oh, you were a bass player?
Let me tell.

472
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,280
You a funny Side Story.
So I was in a band.

473
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,640
I was the singer and I, I get to
rehearsals on one Saturday and

474
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,200
our manager, I was like, I was
probably 13 or 14 years old and

475
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,000
we had a manager and our manager
fires our bass player and he

476
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,800
comes to me and hands me the
bass guitar.

477
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,280
And he says here, learn to play
it.

478
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,560
You know, you got like 6 weeks
till till our next gig and, and

479
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,280
you got to learn 40 songs and
learn how to play the instrument

480
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,920
and sing and, and you know,
here's a phone number.

481
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,920
Call this guy.
I've taken care of lessons for

482
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,120
you.
And so I call this guy, and he's

483
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,120
a guitar player who's going to
teach me to play bass.

484
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,200
And he's a flailing guitar
player, you know?

485
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,440
And so he, he writes down a note
at the end of my first lesson

486
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,200
where, where it was like, Dong
Dong Dong, Dong Dong Dong Dong.

487
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,640
Yeah.
And I'm like learning the

488
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,240
simplest, like, where to put
your fingers and stuff, right.

489
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,120
Yeah.
I had no idea.

490
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,760
I'd never picked up a bass.
And so he hands me this note and

491
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,640
says here, go get this album and
learn to play any song off of

492
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960
it.
It was Stanley Clark School

493
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,200
days.
School days, yeah.

494
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,360
So night and day I sat in my
room learning school days.

495
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,120
The song, yeah, I can't even
remember how it goes, but, you

496
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760
know, learning that whole song
and you're playing chords on the

497
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680
bass and all kinds of crazy
stuff.

498
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120
And so I became a huge Stanley
Clark fan.

499
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Yeah, as I.
Heard it 1000 times learning to

500
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,320
play.
Yeah, that was that was always

501
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,040
the closer school days, but.
Yeah, yeah, I got.

502
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Out there I was, I was a band.
I was maybe the band tech and

503
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,680
but Stanley was playing an
octave up.

504
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,240
He was playing like lead bass.
Yeah.

505
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,640
And the keyboard player was
doing the bass lines and it was

506
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Hard Rock funk man.
He had, we had eight EV cabinets

507
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,320
back there with a, you know, an
Amtrak this tall and it was

508
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,400
loud.
And it was that.

509
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,160
Little Olympic bass, right?
Yeah.

510
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,320
He played Olympic bases all the
time.

511
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,360
That guy, Master he, he was.
He was still unbelievable.

512
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Still plays.
He's still alive, right?

513
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,840
He's still alive.
He he got, I, I'd lived in

514
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200
Woodland Hills for I bought my
first house in Woodland Hills

515
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,120
and I and I walk into the bank
one day and there's Stanley.

516
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Oh, no.
What are you doing out here?

517
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Because he, when I worked for
him, he lived in Benedict

518
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Canyon, you know, and he goes,
oh, I got divorced.

519
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
I live in Topanga.
But and I'm he's he was mostly

520
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,160
doing TV scores.
Yeah, I, I see him once in a

521
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,440
while.
I see his name like he's playing

522
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,000
somewhere around town.
But but that was my first, you

523
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,360
know, I was on the road and it
was, it was great and great

524
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000
show.
We did a tour.

525
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,320
We had a semi, then they lost a
semi and then I got stuck in the

526
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,240
yellow dog 24 foot rider truck
driving everywhere.

527
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,560
We loaded up on Monday in LA and
they go, we'll see you in New

528
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,240
York on Friday.
And I'm like, oh man.

529
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,400
And you're thinking?
Yeah, this is.

530
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,560
Luxury I'm on the road with is
amazing.

531
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,920
So 24, you know, we call them
yellow dogs and they only had AM

532
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,520
radio.
Oh my.

533
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Goodness.
And so I get to New York about

534
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,840
3:00 Friday afternoon.
We were playing the Bottom line

535
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,920
and I'm like, OK, I'll just get
in New York.

536
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,680
I turn here, I turn here, I'll
be at the bottom line.

537
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,440
Well, I don't know.
There's one way streets

538
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,080
everywhere in New York and I
come out of the Hudson Tunnel

539
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,520
and all of a sudden there's a
squeegee guys jumping up on the

540
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,640
truck.
Hilarious.

541
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,120
I'm trying, probably got no
money left by.

542
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,640
This point right, I'm guessing
I'm like California dude, man,

543
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000
I'm not there was, you know, all
of a sudden I really had to go

544
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160
all the way up around this way
and all the way back down that

545
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,880
way to get.
To the Oh my, my goodness.

546
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,800
Well, and plus, you know, I
guess it was earlier.

547
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,240
So New York City streets were
not quite as crazy as they are

548
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,240
today.
But navigating a a a box truck

549
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,640
through New York City can be an
experience.

550
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600
The first time you're there too.
Oh jeez.

551
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Wow, even worse.
So I so we did that to her in

552
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,960
the fall of 8485.
We, we did a bunch of work.

553
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,800
We did a summer tour and then we
went to Brazil.

554
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,920
Was Stanley Clark again?
You know, Stanley, I was with

555
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Stanley Clark again and but that
was crazy.

556
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,640
That was a lot of fun.
And then we went from San Paulo

557
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,560
to Edinburgh, Scotland flying.
Seems logical.

558
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Yeah, well, the, the promoter
only paid for a year to we get

559
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440
to New York and they go
something that pay for this

560
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,720
gear.
You know, we had all our band

561
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,840
gear.
Yeah.

562
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,080
And I had to stay behind for a
day and I, I got to once again,

563
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,800
I got to Edinboro like about
4:00 in the afternoon, the shows

564
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320
that night.
Oh my goodness.

565
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Wow.
You know, people go, how'd you

566
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,760
guys do it?
I go.

567
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,240
I don't know, man.
We just somehow just put our

568
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880
heads down and figured it out.
Yeah.

569
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,320
But then we we toured all.
Your first time to Europe.

570
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080
Too.
Yeah, we toured all through

571
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,120
Europe.
Great time.

572
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,640
So we were me, the road manager
and the sound guy were in our

573
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,120
own van and the band was with
the promoter and we just drove,

574
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,880
you know, get him wake up next
morning drive.

575
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,800
And so it was just beautiful.
It was wonderful.

576
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,120
And we went into a couple Iron
Curtain countries.

577
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,640
You know, we end up in
Yugoslavia, which is.

578
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Jesus.
Yeah, we crossed the border.

579
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,640
All of a sudden you're starting
to see donkey carts with people

580
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,440
and people riding around in
tractors and so back.

581
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,400
Then did you have to pay people
off at the border like I?

582
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Know it wasn't my, my, my neck
of the woods.

583
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
You know, that was a tour, man.
No.

584
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,440
Then we went into Hungary in the
Budapest, which is just an

585
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,840
absolutely stunning city.
And then we went back to Vienna

586
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,120
and we, our promoter was based
in Vienna.

587
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,960
And then we went into
Czechoslovakia.

588
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640
And boy, that was hardcore
ironing curtain.

589
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040
That was like, they checked you
on the way in.

590
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,719
And we get there and we get down
to the venue, me and the sound

591
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,760
guy, and there's military guys
walking around.

592
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,639
There's guys in three feet suits
walking around.

593
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,920
And we're going, oh boy.
And we started, oh boy, you know

594
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,960
what we're getting into here.
So the opening band was a little

595
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,679
a jazz band, you know, And
they're just, you know, and

596
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,080
people are going like like this
and, and the sound guy are

597
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,679
going, Oh no, this is not good
because, you know, Stanley was

598
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,600
like a Hard Rock funk, 110 DB
off the stage.

599
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,840
So Stanley hit the stage right
into it, 100 miles an hour and

600
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,560
the place exploded.
People are on their chairs

601
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,719
screaming.
And I had to follow him out into

602
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,360
the audience because he he would
go out in the audience, but he

603
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,800
didn't have wireless.
He didn't like wireless.

604
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,800
So I go out there and I was
holding the the cable up and

605
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,760
he's playing and I looked at
him.

606
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,640
He's like, what's going on?
And they were that way the whole

607
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,320
show.
It was an unbelievable

608
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,320
experience, really.
And, you know, we're thinking, I

609
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,800
wonder why?
Like, I wonder.

610
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Well, afterwards sell really
well over there or no,

611
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,800
afterwards people came up to us.
You know, this is 1985 and, you

612
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,880
know, Europe, you know, cold,
yo.

613
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Yeah.
And they're going.

614
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,440
Thank you for coming.
We'll never see Stevie Wonder.

615
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,920
We'll never see all these
people.

616
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,520
We, we never see any shows.
And they, they they were just

617
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,640
starved for entertainment.
You know, they were starved for

618
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,360
live music and.
So.

619
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,400
It, it was really incredible.
I mean, you know, I thought we

620
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,600
were going to get arrested, you
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637
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So, you know, it's funny because
I was recently, I, I have an

638
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,080
employee who's in Brazil and
he's a, he's a musician.

639
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,360
And I was asking him why do
Brazilian, why are Brazilian

640
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,000
fans so passionate?
Like, you know, I'm sure you've

641
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,440
done Brazil.
I, I just, I remember the Rush

642
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,760
video when they did Rush in Rio
or whatever and people were

643
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,240
singing like instrumental songs.
They were singing every note.

644
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,480
They were singing drum solos,
guitar solos, like they knew all

645
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,760
of the everything.
And, and they were so passionate

646
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,720
and so loud.
You couldn't hear the music on

647
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,280
the DVD.
And, and I asked him and he

648
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,360
said, because we don't ever get,
you know, good bands.

649
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,680
Like we're so starved for music.
We're such a culturally we love

650
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,920
music, but nobody comes to
Brazil.

651
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,360
Yeah.
Yeah.

652
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,880
So, you know, we, we we got back
out of Czechoslovakia and then

653
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,320
we came home, you know, and, and
the next year we went to Brazil.

654
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,280
And you really love this
interior bass player.

655
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,440
Stanley brought along Larry
Graham.

656
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Oh my goodness.
Wow.

657
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680
And we had a, our band, we had a
bass player in the band.

658
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080
So we called the, I don't know
if you remember that college

659
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,400
team called Phi Slam a jam or
something Like that's what we're

660
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,040
calling a bass Slam a jam a
tour.

661
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Oh, really?
Yeah.

662
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,320
Reminds me of Spinal Tap.
The big bottoms, you know where

663
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,000
they're all playing bass.
Yeah, yeah.

664
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,520
And Larry was great, you know, I
mean, he's one of, he was, he

665
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,040
was the guy came up with that
whole, you know, Sly Stone dump

666
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,960
thing, you know, And yeah, we
just had a great time, a great

667
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,320
country.
Yeah.

668
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,240
So.
But what were you like?

669
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,920
That is like though, like were
they?

670
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,600
Were they?
They were into it.

671
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,840
We we did like five nights and
then in Sao Paulo and people

672
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,680
were just like on their feet.
They were really into it.

673
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, 'cause Stanley.

674
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,240
Is one of those weird artists
cause technically he's a jazz

675
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,800
player, but it's pretty heavy
stuff yeah, it's.

676
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Not heavy funk rock.
Wow, your.

677
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,760
Basic jazz music, you know.
But he can.

678
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,560
Play regular jazz music.
He just chooses not to.

679
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,040
I mean, later I think in his
career he played a lot mellower

680
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,720
stuff, but.
Yeah, back back in and he was,

681
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,840
it was all hard, like hearing,
hearing protection must be worn

682
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,120
in this area kind of thing, you
know.

683
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,560
Yeah, what a fun way to start
your career.

684
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,760
I love Stanley.
Yeah.

685
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,000
So, you know, I, I moved to LA
August of 86 because in San

686
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,360
Diego you'd starve half the
year.

687
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,400
And I end up working for George
Howard, who's a saxophone

688
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:21,120
player, you know, Alto.
And then I get a phone call from

689
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:27,920
Kenny G and that story.
I did a show in London with

690
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,600
Stanley.
It was an All Star jazz show

691
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,680
with a house band.
And Kenny was Kenny, Stanley,

692
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,120
George Duke, another great funk.
You know, he were blaring and

693
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,280
somebody else and Kenny was by
himself.

694
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,880
So I kind of looked after him.
And this is like 85 or 8.

695
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,600
It was 89.
I can't remember the other day

696
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,120
start and at the night goes
you're a great guy.

697
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,920
I'm going to call you when I
make it and I'm like, OK, sure,

698
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,160
you know.
Whatever.

699
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,840
He did, he did do tones.
That's wild.

700
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320
And they called me and I'm out
there and we're walking out, you

701
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,680
know, we're doing double headers
and nightclubs and I'm walking

702
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,880
out with $20,000 a night in
front of my bag.

703
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,760
And then they then they put us
on opening for Whitney Houston,

704
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,760
her first tour.
So this is so we get there.

705
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,240
And, you know, we're the opening
band.

706
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,120
We walk.
I walk in and guy named Tony

707
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Bullock, who's who's actually
still around, He he PMS, Earth,

708
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,760
Wind and Fire.
And he's looking at me.

709
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,560
He goes, OK, here's the rules.
And we know he's hot.

710
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,680
But when we're bringing Whitney
down the hallway, we don't want

711
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,760
to see anybody.
I'm like, got it.

712
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,680
OK, you know, And she's going
out to do her show.

713
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,040
And then we're talking.
We're talking.

714
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,920
And he goes, guess what, Kent?
I go, what?

715
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Tony goes, I got a fax machine.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know

716
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,400
what it is, but I want one.
Yeah.

717
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,760
I had no idea.
Yeah.

718
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,840
But it, boy, did it change
things.

719
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,120
And no.
Kidding, huh?

720
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Yeah, so.
Things up a little bit.

721
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,400
You didn't have to wait for
FedEx.

722
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:04,840
Yeah, and you know I and I
learned one more hard lesson in

723
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,720
that show.
We were Madison Square Garden

724
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,040
and you know, I hear on the
radio, here comes Whitney and

725
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,800
the band starting up.
Here comes Kenny's girlfriend

726
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,480
with like 8 people going right
into the vomitory where

727
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Whitney's coming.
You know?

728
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,920
I'm like, stop, you know?
Was this because Whitney was a

729
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,000
diva or?
Like they just didn't want to

730
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,480
see anybody in the way, you
know, it was just I, I get it.

731
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,320
They didn't want a bunch of
people in the hallways.

732
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,280
And so 5 minutes later, going to
the dressing room and she's

733
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,760
crying on his shoulder and he's
looking at me and I'm going, oh,

734
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,160
who's crying on his shoulder?
Was he no Cheney's girlfriend?

735
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,160
And I'm like, well, I'd lasted
the rest of the tour and that

736
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,640
was it.
And I learned a very hard

737
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,480
lesson.
Don't piss off the girlfriend or

738
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,160
the wife well.
You didn't really have a choice

739
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560
because it was either that or
you piss off the artist that.

740
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,360
You.
I know I didn't.

741
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,680
There was no good choice.
Yeah, like, that's a tough,

742
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,640
like, do I want to die by paper
cuts or a gunshot wound to the

743
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,040
head, you know?
Like.

744
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,800
That's one.
Yeah.

745
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Yeah, so anyway, what was?
What was your role on the on

746
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,960
that tour like?
Were.

747
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,840
You.
I was a tour manager.

748
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Oh, you were a tour manager.
So how did you get from, like

749
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,560
San Diego, you know, at the
college to suddenly your tour

750
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,560
managing for fairly big artists?
Well, I moved.

751
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Like I said, I lived in San
Diego, you know, when I went to

752
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,440
college and stayed there, then I
just said I got to get out of

753
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,720
here because there's just no
work here.

754
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,800
But your first gig was as a tour
manager?

755
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,960
No, I was Stanley Clark.
I was the base.

756
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,120
I was the road, the roading
days, yeah, band gear, tech.

757
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
And then that's within the.
Next four years, suddenly the

758
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,720
tour manager.
George Howard and Kenny Geo is

759
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:49,440
our tour manager, OK And George
Howard was a great guy.

760
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,240
How do?
You learn to be a tour manager

761
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,680
when you're a roadie, you just.
Figured out it's all logistics

762
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,600
you know, it's all you got to be
able to think ahead and, and,

763
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,640
and be really good at at
coordinating things in logistics

764
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,280
that's what it's all about you
know it's all all the travel in

765
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,320
the hotels that's what it really
comes down to yeah.

766
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,040
Well, yeah, well, that's what I
always wanted to do anyway.

767
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,720
Yeah.
So.

768
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,920
Yeah, so.
Settling it's it's a pretty fun

769
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,000
gig.
Yeah.

770
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,240
So yeah, I was living in Lai,
was working as a stage and for

771
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,080
Mike Hirsch, LA Stage Hall.
I got involved with a guy named

772
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,240
Patrick Stansfield.
Oh jeez, you ever hear of

773
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,880
Patrick?
Yeah, of course.

774
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,040
Yeah.
Even before that, we he was

775
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,440
coming to San Diego do shows
with us and we're telling him to

776
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,680
F off as smart as San Diego
stage hands and he liked this

777
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,440
and he and and I moved to Lai
get a call.

778
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,360
Hey, Patrick's doing this big
thing with Michael Jackson down

779
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,840
at Rolling Culver Studios.
And, and so we get down there

780
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,640
and Mike, this is the fall,
December of 86.

781
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,280
Michael was going to film some
new Pepsi commercials.

782
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,280
It wasn't a commercial where you
got his hair caught on fire.

783
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,400
That was up in the Pasadena
Civic in 84.

784
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:06,400
Right.
Yeah.

785
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,760
They had eight sound stages
blocked out.

786
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Jesus.
And you know, sound stages being

787
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,960
back then, they weren't cheap.
Was that to keep people away

788
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,720
from him or what was?
No, they were trying.

789
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,680
They were, they had all these
sound stages, they had all these

790
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,840
different sets and they were
trying to figure out what they

791
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,720
wanted to do.
Oh, and there was a guy named

792
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:32,240
Joe, Joe Picka.
He was a big TV commercial guy,

793
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,760
very intimidating dude.
And so there, you know, we were

794
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,520
there for a couple weeks, you
know, you know, we had, there

795
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,520
was 12 sound stages there and we
had eight of them.

796
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,480
You know, jeez, and actually
spending some money.

797
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Yeah, they were.
So I, I, I was like the runner.

798
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,960
I I told Patrick said, hey, I
just moved here.

799
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,440
He goes.
Great.

800
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,680
You're going to be my runner.
Here's a radio.

801
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,400
Like I got radio.
Look out for me, you know, And

802
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,280
all of a sudden I hear kept
black.

803
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,440
Kept black.
Yes.

804
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Mr. Stansfield, give me a Pepsi.
Yeah.

805
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,200
That can't be that far away at
that point.

806
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Yeah, but Patrick, I owe so much
for him.

807
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,120
I'm so you know, he's been gone
for 10 years.

808
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,320
He was he, he was a giant.
He was, he was the godfather of

809
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,680
rock'n'roll production, you
know.

810
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,440
He he was a.
Smart guy I'd learned so much

811
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,960
from.
He took me under my wing and

812
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,720
under his wing.
And so, you know, I worked for

813
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,360
him on that.
You know, I'd, I'd have to go

814
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,120
out and get natural food for
Michael.

815
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,520
And then his manager was a guy
from New Jersey.

816
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,080
I can't remember his name.
I had to go get him pizza or

817
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,240
pasta.
And then the chimp was there.

818
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,080
Really.
Yeah.

819
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,920
Oh my goodness.
So Patrick's like, yeah, that's

820
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,440
great.
So Patrick, we started working

821
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,000
together.
He started using me on stuff.

822
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,120
And then he goes, well, Neil
Diamond's going out next year.

823
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,200
He goes, I'm going to get you on
the tour.

824
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,800
OK, great.
And goes, He goes, I need

825
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,360
somebody in the production
office because, you know, we had

826
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,240
fans, we have runners.
We we need somebody in the

827
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:11,560
production office to coordinate.
And so we ended up back in

828
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Culver Studio that fall in a
sound stage.

829
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,120
Neil will be rehearsed for two
months.

830
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Oh, he, yeah, he had the same,
he had the same band for 25

831
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,760
years, the same production
staff, you know, Patrick, Doug

832
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,880
Pope, one of the best, Marilyn
Lowey, Stan Miller.

833
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,960
I mean, it was a rock star
production team, you know, and

834
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,440
they kept, you know, he went to
the account and said, well, we

835
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,600
want to take Ken out in the road
with us and we'll pay him

836
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,960
$125.00 a day.
And the accountants turned me

837
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:52,080
down, you know, so Patrick went
to Neil and I, you know, I

838
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,200
gotten to know Neil, you know,
just being around and doing the

839
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,480
craft service and all that
stuff.

840
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,360
And Neil goes, yeah, I like
Kent, let's take him.

841
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,000
That's how I got on the road
with Neil Diamond.

842
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,600
That's crazy.
So you were his production

843
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,680
manager?
No, no, I was the, I was the

844
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,280
production assistant.
I was like an assistant tour

845
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
manager, OK, I I ran the
production office.

846
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Doug Pope, one of the best in
the business, he's no longer

847
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,600
with us, was the production
manager.

848
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,160
And then Patrick was a tour
manager.

849
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,680
Right, of course.
Mike Weiss was the stage

850
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,080
manager, if you know Mikey.
I don't know, Mike.

851
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,080
He's he's a production manager
with the Eagles right now.

852
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,560
Oh, is he?
Yeah, but you know, we toured in

853
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,600
89.
The great thing about Neil was

854
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,680
it we, we do multiple dates
everywhere.

855
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,800
You know, we do 4IN Detroit, 4
in Chicago, you know, and we

856
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,280
would only go out for like two
or three weeks at a time to come

857
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,360
home because everybody had
families and Neil, Neil didn't

858
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,240
like going out and just
hammering it, you know?

859
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,280
And then that summer 89, we did
10 nights at the Forum.

860
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,200
Sold out.
Jesus.

861
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Which was a record for a very
long time until Harry Styles

862
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,560
broke it a couple years ago and
then Neil.

863
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,200
No expense was spared with him.
Everything was, was first class,

864
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,720
just from the band to the truck
drivers, everybody was very,

865
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,400
very well taken care of and
looked after.

866
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,520
And, and, but most of the band
staff already lived in LA and

867
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,760
Neil didn't want everybody
distracted.

868
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,720
So we had to get all our tickets
out in advance.

869
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,600
Like a couple months out
advance, we got our tickets, you

870
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,320
know, we had to pay for some and
some were comped.

871
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,480
Get rid of them because, you
know, the box office was the 7-8

872
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,600
hundred guest tickets a night,
you know, in LA.

873
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,680
And then he decided, well, I
want want it just like it is on

874
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,920
the road.
Everybody's got to stay in the

875
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,440
hotel.
We stayed in a hotel in Century

876
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:47,160
City and I lived 2 miles away.
We, he wanted the same vibe, you

877
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,640
know, like everybody goes.
We had a hospitality suite.

878
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,480
He wanted the same routine.
He didn't want anybody to get

879
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,680
distracted.
So he paid for everybody to stay

880
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,240
in the hotel for two weeks.
Yeah.

881
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,880
So interesting.
Yeah.

882
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,920
And then we went to Europe that
fall and we're, we started in

883
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,160
Dublin, Ireland.
They put up three shows, sold

884
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,920
out immediately, another three
shows gone.

885
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,080
We did 10 nights in Dublin and
we were playing.

886
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,680
There was no arena there at that
time.

887
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,960
We were in a big barn that was a
horse show arena.

888
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,560
And Stanley made them.
They had to, we had to put

889
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,320
carpet down.
We had to put drape everywhere

890
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,760
because it's a big tin barn, you
know.

891
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,440
And so the first night, you
know, I'm, I'm always in the

892
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,360
production office, you know, and
I, I usually wander out to see

893
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,600
what's going on.
I wandered out and all of a

894
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,520
sudden, you know, Sweet Caroline
whole place stands up.

895
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,600
They lock arms, they're swinging
back and forth and they're

896
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,120
singing.
They're singing it back to the

897
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,320
band, you know, Sweet Caroline,
the whole place is sweet.

898
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,200
And, and the band's up there
going, what the hell is this,

899
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,120
you know?
That is crazy.

900
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,800
They did it every night.
Really.

901
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,080
We Caroline is the second most
popular song in Ireland after

902
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,960
Danny Boy.
They they sing it everywhere.

903
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,680
That that's where that whole
thing started.

904
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,280
Interesting.
Yeah, well, because I see it

905
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,720
like my fiance is British and
she watches soccer like any good

906
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:22,040
Brit and some of the teams that
they play against, like that's

907
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,520
their theme song practically.
Yeah, and, well, you know.

908
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,640
Really.
In a football stadium in

909
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,920
England, they're singing Sweet
Caroline like.

910
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,000
That's pretty well.
They sing at the Boston Red Sox

911
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,160
games now, you know.
Yeah.

912
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,240
Yeah.
Well, there you can understand

913
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,360
it.
I mean, it's but at a soccer

914
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,560
game somewhere in England, you
know, that's a bit different.

915
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,120
It, you know, it was a great man
and and we had such a great time

916
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,080
there.
The promoter there was a guy

917
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,960
named Jamaican who who actually
put out the best catering I've

918
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,480
ever seen on the road.
It was just first class, you

919
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,280
know, we're we're we're in
downtown Dublin saying that the

920
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Waterbury, I think is the name
of the place.

921
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,560
And there's Grafton Street right
there, which is a closed off St.

922
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,720
And so we're down one night at a
place called Judge Roy Beans and

923
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,040
it was a day off where it's
something weird and and the, the

924
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Irish love country music.
So we're sitting here, we're

925
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,560
talking and the bartender goes,
well, you should go up to Lily's

926
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,440
bordello in the back.
We're like Lily's bordello.

927
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,440
Yeah, yeah, it's.
It's sounds interesting.

928
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Yeah, OK, so we go around back,
go up these stairs, walk in, you

929
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,720
2 own the bar.
There's no way.

930
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,080
There's Bono.
There's it was in the edge of

931
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,200
Adam Clayton.
They're both just hanging out at

932
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,360
the bar.
But that's what it is in

933
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,520
Ireland.
It's it's not like a star thing,

934
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,480
you know, people are just oh hey
mate, how are you?

935
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,240
Let's have a pint, you know,
kind of thing.

936
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,680
Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic.
Wow.

937
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,120
And then we went off to
Switzerland and and boy, the

938
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,320
crowds are like nothing like
Ireland.

939
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:58,520
But we had a great time.
Yeah, you know for you like I so

940
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,200
I guess this is your second trip
to Europe at this point.

941
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,080
Oh no.
And then with Neil.

942
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,440
No, I've.
I've been there a few times.

943
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,280
I don't know.
You start losing track, you

944
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,960
know.
It all sort of meshes together

945
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,920
into one big memory.
Yeah.

946
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,200
You know, it's, it's always
funny when you see a band here

947
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:25,000
in the US and then you see them
in Europe or somewhere else and

948
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,400
you just see the response.
And one in particular, like so

949
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,480
the Eagles, I had provided some
lighting for the hell freezes

950
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,840
over to her.
So I saw a bunch of shows on

951
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,320
that tour and of course Joe
Walsh stole the show.

952
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:45,720
Like when he started going,
everyone went nuts.

953
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:49,200
The whole place standing up, the
stadium is just going nuts.

954
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,600
And so I did.
Steve Cohen was the designer and

955
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,880
we provided a bunch of lighting
for.

956
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,000
I don't remember what the tour
was called, but it was like a

957
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,080
world tour and it started in
Moscow.

958
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,880
And so I.
Have been to Moscow.

959
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Of course.
And so my now ex-wife and I went

960
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,640
over with Do you know Michael
Brokaw?

961
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,440
Oh yeah.
Michael's was Steve's manager at

962
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,000
the time and so I went over with
him and and it was a group of

963
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,320
us.
Robert Roth was the lighting

964
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,120
exec.
Robert Roth for PRG.

965
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,760
At the time.
And so he was over there and so

966
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,200
it was his group of people.
It was fun.

967
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,040
Nick Jackson was there too.
And so we did a lot of cool

968
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,040
Moscow things, you know, because
I'd never been there, so I was a

969
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,080
tourist.
But the show itself, the.

970
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,920
So this was the first night in
Moscow.

971
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,320
I think they did two nights
there, if I remember correctly.

972
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,680
And he would start.
Life's been good.

973
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,920
Joe Walsh would and everyone
would sit down.

974
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,160
What the hell like.
They didn't even know the song.

975
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,680
Like they it didn't matter at
all.

976
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:05,880
But then, you know, Fry would do
oh, what was his big one hot in

977
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,360
the city or whatever?
And everyone was standing up and

978
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,840
going nuts.
And I was like, this is screwed

979
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,760
up.
This is downwards right now.

980
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,120
Like, I don't get this at all.
Like they just Rocky Mountain

981
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,480
way.
They didn't even know it, you

982
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,560
know?
Like, it was really bizarre.

983
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,240
Joe Walsh just wasn't a thing in
Russia.

984
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,680
Yeah.
Very strange.

985
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,120
Yeah, very strange.
Yeah.

986
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,440
So, you know, we finished that
tour then, you know, back with

987
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,040
Neil, we started the next tour
was we went in the round because

988
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,160
in 89 we were on end stage, but
they were selling all the way

989
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,680
around people.
People like stand sitting back

990
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,840
behind the stage and Neil, our
stage was built where he can

991
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,720
walk up there and and sing doing
everything.

992
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,280
So they decided, you know, go in
the round, take, take Towers

993
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,160
built it.
Beautiful job.

994
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,520
It was, you know, a round stage
at turn 2 * 1 way.

995
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,600
And then they have to turn back
because even though the cables

996
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,320
were in the middle, they'd still
look kind of and just an

997
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,880
absolutely beautiful stage.
And once again, we started in

998
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,400
rehearsals for two months and we
had to, you know, John Brown,

999
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,400
Brown United.
Neil wasn't sure if he still

1000
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,560
wanted to play, so we had to
bring down.

1001
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,360
John had a big old wooden
turntable.

1002
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,200
They had a chain that wrapped
around it that they used to put

1003
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,280
a plane on at one time or
something like that.

1004
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,640
So we brought it down and we
walked up the stage as the

1005
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,440
designs were, you know,
scaffolding and plywood.

1006
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,480
And Neil, he was playing.
He goes, well, change this,

1007
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,520
change that.
And we we were there for about a

1008
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,160
month and it's getting to the
point where we got to let Tate

1009
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,080
know now or they won't get this
thing built, you know, and

1010
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Patrick had to go there on
Fridays and Neil, it's either

1011
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,880
yes or no or they won't get
built.

1012
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,640
He goes yes.
And, and you know, our first

1013
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,440
shows were in Fort Worth like in
December and this is like the

1014
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,200
toward the end of October.
Yeah, wow.

1015
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,640
Yeah, but they, they built it
was beautiful.

1016
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,000
And so we, we started that tour
and it went for 2 1/2 years.

1017
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,880
It just, we just kept going.
And you know, in 92 was a huge

1018
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,240
year.
We, we did, we went to Australia

1019
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,400
and Neil, it's like they have
return of Elvis.

1020
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,320
He was, he was the biggest
artist, pop, most popular

1021
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,720
artists.
And, and, you know, we did 10

1022
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,440
nights in Sydney, 10 nights in
Melbourne and just unbelievable.

1023
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,960
Yeah, August nights, one of the
biggest alien albums of all time

1024
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,040
in Australia.
And it was like the return of

1025
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,440
Elvis.
It was just unreal.

1026
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,920
And, you know, Europe in that
summer and, and we just kind of

1027
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,880
kept going and fell in the 93,
kept going.

1028
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,960
And all of a sudden Neil done a
Christmas album.

1029
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,120
They go, well, we're going to,
we're going to do a Christmas

1030
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,680
tour in the fall.
And it was the longest tour

1031
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,760
we've ever done.
We started once again, Tate

1032
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,640
built this, you know, we're in
the round.

1033
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,480
You know, the lighting's in the
round, but there was kind of

1034
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,680
empty space up in the middle.
Well, they built a Christmas

1035
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,280
tree, aluminum, and it folded up
into itself.

1036
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,960
So we, we be up there and they,
they do the show and then the

1037
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,520
middle part was the Christmas
part.

1038
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,680
And all the lights will go out,
band disappear and we sneak in

1039
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,640
the tree and then Neil will pop
out and start singing and they

1040
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,560
start lighting the tree up and
everybody's like, wow, that's

1041
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,560
cool.
And every night, you know, we're

1042
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,280
in the production office going,
Oh, it's time for the tree.

1043
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,800
You know, we run.
Oh, wow, that's cool.

1044
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,360
But we started we we started in
Worcester.

1045
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:39,880
What?
Right.

1046
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,760
The end of September and we
didn't come.

1047
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,280
We came home, we did the forum
and our last show was December

1048
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,240
21st.
As long as we've ever been out.

1049
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,280
It was almost, it was almost
three months.

1050
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,600
And but anyway, it was I'll you
know, that's Neil was the best,

1051
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,040
just the greatest great
entertainer.

1052
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,040
You just don't realize how many
great songs that man has written

1053
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,880
over the years and just a
wonderful time with him.

1054
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,480
Well.
The fact that he's still

1055
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,520
playing, you know?
Well, no, he's he's got

1056
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,280
Alzheimer's really bad.
Yeah, I've heard that.

1057
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,480
Yeah.
But I mean, just recently

1058
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160
stopped, right?
Yeah. 2017 I mean, I worked for

1059
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,480
Live Nation a lot.
Yeah, the first show he did was

1060
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,320
in Fresno and I was the promoter
Rep on it.

1061
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,240
And so I am, you know, a lot of
the same people are there.

1062
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,080
So I walked in the catering and
I hear Kent.

1063
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,160
I'm like, hey, Neil, he goes get
over here.

1064
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,240
But, you know, he remembered me.
We talked and and it was his

1065
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,320
50th anniversary.
They did the US, they did

1066
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,960
Europe, and they were supposed
to go Australia.

1067
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,120
And that's when they pulled the
plug.

1068
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,720
It was a sad day because I know
how much that man loved to

1069
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,600
entertain.
Yeah.

1070
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,640
That's terrible, yeah.
He just it's just was first

1071
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,440
class all the way with that man
we were.

1072
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,280
I can't say enough about that.
I.

1073
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,440
Love artists like that.
Like I, I, you know, there's a

1074
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,080
bunch of those sort of old
school guys.

1075
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,400
Like I always heard James Taylor
similar things where like the

1076
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,600
the crew stayed where the band
stayed most of the time.

1077
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,560
Yeah, it's it's, it's Billy Joel
McCartney.

1078
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,040
Yeah.
You know, all those guys are

1079
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,680
just, you know, it's old school,
man.

1080
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,440
They came up the hard way, you
know, they yeah, their crew and

1081
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,800
their and their bands are
family.

1082
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,440
You know, they're Rd. family.
That's.

1083
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,000
Cool, I like that.
Yeah, I'll tell you, I'll tell

1084
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,320
you what, we're all like that
quick Neil Diamond story.

1085
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,760
There's a ton of them.
But yeah, we're, we're out and

1086
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,120
we, we're in Milwaukee and we,
we went down, did the

1087
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,400
Harley-Davidson tour and met,
met Willie.

1088
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,520
Our security guards are from
Milwaukee.

1089
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,960
And then sometime later, some of
you have the idea, let's buy

1090
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,000
Neil Harley.
So we all chipped in.

1091
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,960
Willie designed the gas, gas
tank.

1092
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,480
We picked it up.
I think we did our last show in

1093
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,320
Edmonton that year.
It was, it was 92 and we hid it

1094
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,320
in front of his dressing room
and he came in and we're all

1095
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,120
back there hiding in the road
cases, you know, and Neil walks

1096
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,840
in, you know, we had pipe and
drape up and all of a sudden we

1097
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,360
hear those room and it was
great.

1098
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,920
And I have a picture up on my
wall.

1099
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,280
But he took a big picture of
everybody and he signed every

1100
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,080
one of them.
He signed, you know, got sent to

1101
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,520
everybody, you know.
Thank you.

1102
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,640
So a couple months later, he has
a studio over in 3rd St.

1103
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Third and Robertson by by Cedar
Sinai.

1104
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000
He walks in one day.
He looks at Sam Cole who's like

1105
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,880
his right hand studio guy.
Sam you need it Harley.

1106
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,000
Sam's like OK.
Derry Murphy walks in who's his

1107
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,440
Rd. manager, his brother-in-law
Murph you need him Harley.

1108
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,600
And then Dave Wright walks in
who's a house guy?

1109
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Dave you need a Harley.
He bought 3 Harleys.

1110
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,080
He just wanted people to ride
with.

1111
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Probably, yeah.
Yeah, it's no fun having a bike

1112
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:41,600
if none of your friends have
them too.

1113
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,560
And then our our keyboard
player, piano player Tom

1114
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,000
Hensley, wrote our daily tour
newspaper with the schedule.

1115
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,160
So he started calling them the
mild ones.

1116
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,000
So that's funny.
And we had TT shirts and sweats.

1117
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,280
I mean, I got so much of that
stuff.

1118
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:03,320
So anyway, beginning in 1994,
Barbra Streisand.

1119
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,480
Yeah.
He did Vegas at New Year's Eve.

1120
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,920
We, we had just finished the
tour.

1121
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,680
We that was for, you know.
But then they decide she's going

1122
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,720
out.
It's Barbara's triumphant

1123
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,920
return.
Was Peter with her by?

1124
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,040
Then Yep, Yep.
So yeah, we put the tour

1125
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,800
together.
About 10 of us came over from

1126
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,360
the Diamond tour a whole bunch,
you know, broke guys kind of

1127
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,640
fall.
You know, Patrick was the tour

1128
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:28,160
manager got hard and that you
know, Diamond ran like a

1129
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,280
fine-tuned Swiss watch with no
drama everyday.

1130
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,280
And Barbara, there's a fire
alarm going off and boy, she

1131
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:41,640
tortured Peter Peter so bad
because she knew lighting and

1132
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,800
she knew video.
And so that was a tour.

1133
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,640
People thinks it's think it was
the Eagles, but that was a tour

1134
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,280
that broke the $100 ticket mark.
It was really Yep with spring of

1135
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,480
94350 for the seats on on the
floor.

1136
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,880
Broke it by a bunch. 175 for the
lower bowl and 75 for the upper

1137
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,800
bowl.
And you know, we did 24 shows.

1138
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,240
We was 6 cities I think and
everyone sold out of course.

1139
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,120
Yeah.
We we had a 75 piece orchestra

1140
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:19,120
with Marvin Hamlisch, who was a
great guy and you know, and

1141
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,520
Barbara would just, she was such
a perfection.

1142
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,440
She just made everybody crazy.
You know, Marvin was the only

1143
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,720
one who could listen to her, you
know, OK, take a little bit off

1144
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,160
the woodwind and say, you know,
he can.

1145
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,960
And she was doing 3 hour
rehearsals on show day, making

1146
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,080
everybody just, you know,
jangled up.

1147
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,880
And, you know, Danny O'Brien was
a video director, you know, who

1148
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,720
runs on Screenworks, Peter,
Peter's on lights.

1149
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,880
Bruce Jackson was a sound guy.
And it was.

1150
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,320
And then the the people are get
so whacked out in these three

1151
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,440
hour rehearsals that they make
mistakes during the show.

1152
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,520
We taped every night and sent it
back to the hotel and she would

1153
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,080
watch the tape till 2:00 or 3:00
in the morning.

1154
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,640
Jesus.
And if and she Peter, you must

1155
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,840
have got 1:00 in the morning,
she's calling Peter Morris.

1156
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,480
And so then about halfway
through that tour, she got sick

1157
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,800
and we had to postpone 4 shows
at Anaheim Pond.

1158
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,520
But when she came back, she just
realized she was making

1159
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,640
everybody crazy.
She just came in and we'd do 1/2

1160
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,600
hour and that was it.
And then the shows just started

1161
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,640
clicking, you know, it takes a
while out there, you know, it

1162
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,200
takes 6 or 8 shows to really get
the tour clicking, you know?

1163
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,840
And boy, they were just
incredible.

1164
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,360
I mean that 75 piece orchestra,
Barbara singing, just

1165
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,720
unbelievable show.
Yeah, I think some of it with

1166
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,200
her ticket prices was, you know,
first of all, her audience tend

1167
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,960
to be a higher end, yeah, sort
of audience.

1168
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,120
You know, the business people
and the a lot of wealthy people

1169
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,840
certainly liked her, but also
scarcity.

1170
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,200
Like she didn't play live that
much.

1171
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,000
No 25 years.
Yeah.

1172
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,400
From 69 to 9 she didn't do A1.
Live show, yeah.

1173
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,440
So that explains it.
Obviously, scarcity.

1174
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,360
Amazing, amazing concert.
Just just unbelievable.

1175
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,040
One quick Barbara story.
We're at the Garden, New York,

1176
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,600
and you know, back there we had
Jumbo, Danny O'Brien had the

1177
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,640
Jumbotron.
He, they had gotten it off the

1178
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,200
Genesis tour.
That was a big thing.

1179
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,360
And that was Jumbotron wasn't
LED yet.

1180
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,760
And Patrick's was facing around.
He goes, it's 2 minutes at six.

1181
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,400
We got to get her off the stage.
We're going to hit the meal

1182
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,120
penalty.
So she had the orchestrator

1183
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,160
already been dismissed.
And Patrick runs up there and

1184
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,160
goes, Barbara, if you don't get
off the stage in 2 minutes, it's

1185
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,360
going to cost you a meal penny.
It'll cost you $5000.

1186
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,360
She goes Patrick, I haven't
tried all my dresses yet.

1187
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,560
She was trying on her dresses to
see what they look like on the

1188
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,880
demotron.
Oh my goodness.

1189
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,840
The seven nights we were there,
she hit the Mill County five

1190
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,680
times with the union.
And the union, they look,

1191
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,760
they're all back there eating
Italian food in the back, You

1192
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,520
know, they.
Yeah, but it was, it was quite.

1193
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,320
It's funny, I've I've, I've
known Peter a long time and, and

1194
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,160
I've also had him on the podcast
a couple times and I always got

1195
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,040
the feeling that bet was the
bigger diva than than Barbara.

1196
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,080
Oh, I've never worked with.
Yeah.

1197
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,920
Yeah, that's like just from
talking with him, that was

1198
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,720
always sort of the feeling I got
that Barbara was very

1199
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,760
professional, but that bet was
more the diva and maybe I got it

1200
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,520
backwards, I don't know.
No, I mean, but Barbara, she was

1201
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,480
very professional.
She knew exactly what she was

1202
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,000
doing, but it was just too, she
had her whole entourage out

1203
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,880
there and it was just, but it
was, it was unbelievable.

1204
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,360
It's great.
Some of the best shows I've ever

1205
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,360
been part of you.
Know.

1206
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,240
Yeah, Wow.
Yeah, so that that was a tour.

1207
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,800
I keep telling it wasn't the
Eagles.

1208
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,320
It wasn't.
Barbara was the one who broke

1209
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,280
that $100 ticket.
Market, I never would have

1210
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,320
guessed that, but it makes
sense.

1211
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,600
I mean, obviously.
I got a thing up in my wallet.

1212
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,640
It has all the tickets, the
passes and the buttons.

1213
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,040
Each city had a different button
I got.

1214
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,920
And when I started that tour,
Dave Ferrano, the merchandise

1215
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,360
guy, says save everything
Tickets.

1216
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,480
Yeah, save it all.
It's gonna be worth money.

1217
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,080
So I saved all that stuff.
And they only made about a dozen

1218
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,360
of them.
But I have one on my wall.

1219
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,280
Oh, wow.
Yeah.

1220
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,440
So anyways.
Same with upstaging shirts.

1221
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,840
Like you see people selling, you
know, upstaging shirts from the

1222
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,600
80s on, on eBay for 100 bucks
and stuff.

1223
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,360
You know, it's crazy.
It's, it's crazy.

1224
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,360
I have a boxes of stuff in my
garage.

1225
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,560
I'm just holding on to, you
know, tons of needle stuff.

1226
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,280
And I mean, a friend told me he
sold a Willie Nelson guitar pick

1227
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,240
for $55 online.
That's crazy.

1228
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,160
You know what I mean of.
Course, there's people out there

1229
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,520
who are, who are just rabid
fans, you know, that are going

1230
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,840
to buy crazy stuff.
You know, like I, I landed on a

1231
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,760
bunch of Shakira stuff at one
point, you know, through my

1232
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,200
other company where we liquidate
inventory.

1233
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,000
We we bought a warehouse of
stuff from Shakira and it was

1234
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,960
just random stuff like there
were some Rd. cases, wardrobe.

1235
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,960
Cases.
And among it was 2 like 20 foot

1236
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,600
tall cobra snakes that were
basically the reveal at the at

1237
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,760
the front end of her show.
And, you know, the snake would

1238
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,400
come up and she would come out
from under it basically.

1239
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,240
And it had lasers in the eyes
and stuff.

1240
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,840
And we're like, what the hell
are we going to do with these

1241
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,200
two?
I think they were 25 or 30 feet

1242
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,720
tall probably.
They were pretty big.

1243
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,120
What are we going to do with
these big aluminum Cobra snakes

1244
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,560
that were made by probably Tate?
And so we thought we were going

1245
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,200
to donate them to a Ford
dealership, you know, for the

1246
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:38,520
Cobra Mustang or something.
And we put them on on on our

1247
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,840
site and we get a call from a
crazy lady in Texas who who had

1248
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,280
her husband buy these Cobras for
her and he had her obviously

1249
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,480
wealthy husband buy ASMI.
And she toured these things

1250
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,680
around to schools to show them
this cool Shakira snake thing.

1251
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,760
And we were like, well, that's a
terrible business model, but

1252
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,600
here you go.
You know, I'm, we didn't sell

1253
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,800
them for a lot of money.
I think they were 5 grand each

1254
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,880
or something, but we thought we
were going to pay to store them

1255
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,280
forever and then just end up
throwing them away, you know?

1256
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,840
But.
I can show you warehouses here

1257
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,240
in Los Angeles that are just
full of shit that people save,

1258
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,479
you know, TV's.
And it's just like, why?

1259
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,040
Oh, I guess LA, yeah, because I
know a few in Vegas too.

1260
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,680
Like I've I've seen a couple of
warehouses in Vegas that are

1261
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,960
pretty crazy.
Yeah, it's off all these.

1262
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,680
Names the magician.
The long haired magician guy.

1263
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:36,680
My mind is blank for some reason
right now.

1264
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,880
Oh my God I can't remember his
name.

1265
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,240
Anyways, he took me into his
warehouse one time and I was

1266
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,359
like what?
What is all this stuff?

1267
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,840
Yeah, it's crazy.
There's a company called Scenic

1268
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,680
Expressions.
They have like 12 warehouses a

1269
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,439
bunch South of downtown around
the railroad yards.

1270
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,160
Visited them one time, I seem to
remember.

1271
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,279
That I'm in there one time
walking around and I look and I

1272
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,439
go, I see all this because they
have it in like 20 by 20 spaces,

1273
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,319
you know, and they'll have a
sign up and it says Disney's

1274
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,439
50th anniversary, Disneyland's
50th anniversary.

1275
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:11,720
Oh my goodness.
What?

1276
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,960
Is this?
And what happens is these people

1277
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,160
do these shows or do these and
then they go, OK, save it.

1278
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,000
And then everybody kind of just
goes off in their own directions

1279
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,080
and then other shows and
everybody forgets about it.

1280
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,359
Meanwhile, seeing expressions to
send an invoice every month to

1281
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:32,120
Disney or Warner Brothers or
whatever, you know it's.

1282
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,000
It's, you know, at one point I
had a concept for a business

1283
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,880
around that, like in, at the
time, this was in probably the

1284
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,279
early 2000s or something, you
could get land in Central

1285
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,399
Florida for nothing practically,
right.

1286
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,439
And I, I was thinking, I'm going
to build these big, you know,

1287
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:53,359
like metal storage facilities
and turn it into almost a museum

1288
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:58,560
inside of set pieces.
And you charge less money for

1289
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:03,240
bands to to store their sets in
there, but you sell tickets to

1290
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,280
the public to come in and.
Oh, there you go.

1291
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,000
You know, look at this set from
the Stones.

1292
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,400
You know, steel wheels tour, you
know, whatever tour.

1293
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:17,000
And you know, of course I didn't
do it, but like, it just seemed

1294
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,640
like a good idea because you
open it to the public and and

1295
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,720
now you turn a problem into a,
yeah, you know, a paid business.

1296
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,840
But yeah, so maybe we should
move on.

1297
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,680
That was my touring days.
You know, I toured with Neil in

1298
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:34,160
96 and helped out in 98, but by
then I'd gotten off the road.

1299
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,400
But I started doing corporate
stuff.

1300
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,200
Yeah, and you know, you escaped
early.

1301
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,520
Yeah.
So, well, my first corporate

1302
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,640
gig, if you know Dave Oberman,
OB, the OB company.

1303
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,800
Of course I know.
OB So OB calls me 9394 LA Auto

1304
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,360
Show which used to happen in
January.

1305
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,480
Can't I need someone down there
to, to deal with the clients?

1306
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,240
And because my guys can't
because OB had like 12 booths

1307
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,880
and this is the corporate world.
The auto shows was the first

1308
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,240
thing that really started
incorporating stuff from our

1309
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,880
world.
You know, it was all, it was up

1310
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,480
lighting basically, you know,
moving lights and all that.

1311
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,080
So I'm down there and it's, you
know, I'm riding my bike around

1312
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,280
the LA Convention Center just
trying to deal with the clients,

1313
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,200
you know, so the, the road, the
crew guys can build and they're,

1314
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,040
they're trying to get the, the,
you know, the, the lights up in

1315
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,440
there and everything like that.
And I'm down there and I see and

1316
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,600
it's all, you've seen this.
It's all wooden boxes, you know?

1317
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,720
And like, what are you guys
doing?

1318
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,600
Where's the wheel?
I'm, I'm being a real rocky,

1319
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,920
cocky, rocky roll roadie, you
know, why don't you guys put

1320
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,360
wheels on these things?
What's going on?

1321
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,480
You know, And boy, the Teamsters
teach me a lesson on the

1322
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:48,400
loadout.
That's funny.

1323
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,800
We, we got done and we sat there
for 8 hours until I got, I mean,

1324
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,400
they, I'm out there.
Hey guys.

1325
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Oh, we'll get to it in a minute.
You know, they were pissed at

1326
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,040
me.
Boy, I learned a hard lesson.

1327
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,880
Yeah, you don't want to piss
those guys off if you want to

1328
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,760
get out of there quick after it.
Oh, the teams are just, they

1329
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,000
just run the dot and they, they
can make or break your day, you

1330
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,160
know, you got 20 guys stand
sitting in the booth and the

1331
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,680
gear still down in the
marshalling yard, you know.

1332
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,480
Yeah.
So that was my first education

1333
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,280
and and I, you know, Fast
forward, I started doing some

1334
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,040
award shows here in town and I
work for ABHQI.

1335
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,640
Don't remember those guys, of
course.

1336
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,240
Yeah, it used to be a big AB
company.

1337
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,200
Yeah.
When I was there in 99, there

1338
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,720
was 120 people working at the.
Shop right.

1339
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,880
And yeah, that's when I really
got into seeing what the

1340
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,440
corporate world was like, you
know, with ballrooms and dealing

1341
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,120
with video and all that kind of
stuff.

1342
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,920
It was a really good education
and then Barbara decided to go

1343
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,800
back out and Stancil called me
and he goes.

1344
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,080
We're doing a World Tour 2000.
It's her farewell tour.

1345
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,520
Yeah.
I mean, so I was kind of sick of

1346
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,640
sitting in a cubicle.
And so I I left.

1347
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,760
And when did.
But our world tour at that time,

1348
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,520
it turned into two shows in
Sydney, 2 shows in Melbourne,

1349
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,400
stadium shows.
And then later in the year, we

1350
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,600
did the Staples Center for two
nights, in Madison Square

1351
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,200
Gardens for two nights.
That was it really.

1352
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:19,320
Yeah.
They, they could never get it.

1353
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,120
They wanted to do Europe.
They just could not get it

1354
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,720
together.
Her manager guy named Marty

1355
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,480
Ehrkman, who is still around,
he's in his 90s.

1356
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,320
Boy, He, he was a screamer man
because she was screaming him.

1357
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,040
So he was screaming and a quick
stance field story.

1358
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:43,600
So 94 all the bills had to get
approved by 4 people and payroll

1359
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,120
everything.
So we had to, we did came up

1360
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,440
with this check request form and
I was using file maker and we

1361
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:54,240
were and Patrick would go into
Marty because we were in his

1362
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,480
office over in Mid Wilshire and
he would no, I'm not paying

1363
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:59,360
that.
I'm not paying this.

1364
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,920
We're like, it's payroll, Marty,
we got to pay.

1365
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,320
It you know.
So Stanfield finally realized

1366
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,520
that Marty, about 4:30 in the
afternoon, would have a

1367
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,440
highball.
Oh boy.

1368
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,600
And then you have another one.
And then Patrick goes, OK, now

1369
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,240
it's time.
He would go into his office and

1370
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,600
get this.
Right after his second drink, he

1371
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,040
softened up a bit.
Yeah, that's awesome.

1372
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,240
Yeah, Patrick, man, he was it
it.

1373
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,360
And we did the budgets for years
on Neil Diamond.

1374
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,520
But you know, the tour budgets,
Patrick and I and I, we would

1375
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,920
never know where we would come
out, you know, if we were ahead

1376
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,160
or behind or what, because it
would go to the accountants

1377
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,000
scalping around filming and
that'd be the end of it.

1378
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:45,040
But we did the the budgets in
2000 for Streisand, and I was

1379
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,600
kind of turned into the
accountant.

1380
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,560
So every bill came through my
computer.

1381
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,360
And so we knew where we're at on
the budgets.

1382
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,120
And we came within about 5% on
the budget.

1383
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,800
Wow, That's pretty close.
Four $5 million budget, you

1384
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,040
know.
Yeah, that's pretty good.

1385
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,320
Yeah.
And we were like, OK, yeah, we

1386
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:04,560
got this.
Yeah.

1387
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,800
So, you know, I'm off the road
and I'm like, what am I doing?

1388
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,000
And, you know, I got a 2 year
old kid and I just kind of

1389
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,240
started getting into the
corporate world.

1390
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,440
I kind of turned myself into the
production manager because

1391
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,280
there's no tour managers in the
corporate world.

1392
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,480
You know, Patrick and I were
really getting pretty heavy into

1393
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:24,320
the auto show world working for
George B Johnson for them.

1394
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,920
Yeah, of course.
And the the people just don't

1395
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,640
realize how big the auto shows
were.

1396
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:36,960
There's LA, Chicago, New York,
which were two week load in two

1397
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,400
week load insurance, three day
strikes.

1398
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,160
Yeah.
Then there was Detroit.

1399
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,760
Yeah.
Well, have you ever been in

1400
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,080
Detroit?
Of course, yeah, it's a huge

1401
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,680
show. 12 week load in Yeah
insane you.

1402
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,440
Mean a 12 week load in.
When you think of that, that is

1403
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,440
just insane.
It and they would start in early

1404
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:59,040
November and the goal was to try
to get every get all the boobs

1405
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,080
in by Christmas because the show
opened in the middle of January

1406
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,120
and then they had to work around
the holidays and there's 4 trade

1407
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,440
unions in that hall.
They were all there.

1408
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:17,200
Teamsters, decorators, IBW and
the IA, they were all in there.

1409
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,120
Nightmare.
It was it was just trying to

1410
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,880
deal with them.
How do you explain a 12 week

1411
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,000
load in?
Yeah, It, it was just, you know,

1412
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,080
because you're dealing with all
those unions, you're trying to

1413
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,400
keep everybody on straight time.
You're trying to, you know,

1414
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,760
there's nothing else going in
there anyway.

1415
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,120
You know, Coba Hall downtown up
in Detroit, there's no one

1416
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:34,440
going.
Yeah.

1417
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,120
Yeah.
And but then after that, the

1418
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,880
holidays. 12 weeks.
After the holidays, that's when

1419
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,680
the press events were coming in
because the boost had to be

1420
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:51,760
built and Chrysler 2012, we had
400 motors hanging in the air

1421
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,800
that that's a Ward show size in
the Chrysler booth.

1422
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,160
Yeah.
And then we brought in a press

1423
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,920
event that was 14 trucks and
you're trying to deal with the

1424
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,400
loading dock there.
It's an old building.

1425
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,520
And you wonder why our car
companies are broke.

1426
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,880
You know, and you're trying to
get everything in and get it

1427
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,360
built and get the case because
you got to send all the cases

1428
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,440
out.
There's no place to put them.

1429
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:17,200
You know, everything's got to go
and, and the doors, the back

1430
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,840
doors open and it's like 45°
inside the building, you know,

1431
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,040
and everybody's walking around
in coats and, and sweaters and,

1432
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,200
and I tell people this, I said,
you have no idea how big the

1433
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,760
show was.
I mean, it's, you know, think

1434
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,920
about 25 Rolling Stones stadium
shows worth of gear going in

1435
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,040
there, you know?
Yeah, that is crazy.

1436
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,920
Yeah, and, and the reason they
can get away with, I don't know

1437
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,240
if you know this Marcel, but
they built that place.

1438
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,960
They were going to put a 15
story building on top of it.

1439
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:51,400
So all the beams in there are
eighteen 2430 inch beams and at

1440
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,200
that Convention Center, so you
can hang a tank in there if you.

1441
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,880
Wanted to, yeah.
Anything.

1442
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,320
And so that's how they got away
with, I mean, I mean, 400 motors

1443
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,240
in the Chrysler booth because
they had all those huge LED

1444
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,120
screens every, I mean, just in
that booth and crazy.

1445
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,120
Yeah.
So yeah, I've worked a lot in

1446
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:15,440
that world from, you know, 90,
you know, 2000 till about 2015.

1447
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,000
When when did you start your
company?

1448
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,120
Paso Productions and and why?
Why?

1449
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,160
What's that name mean?
OK.

1450
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,680
I'm from Paso Robles, CA.
Oh well, that was easy.

1451
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:26,640
That was.
Easy.

1452
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,040
Yeah.
But yeah, I have a website.

1453
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,080
You didn't see some of my
greatest hits, but I just

1454
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,240
started doing all this crazy
corporate stuff.

1455
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,040
You know, I did a a big thing
for Audi up at the wind tunnel

1456
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,520
in Pasadena.
Yeah, you know, I'd mentioned

1457
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,520
these weddings.
I did.

1458
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,200
You know, I did 4 huge weddings
within a two year period.

1459
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,160
Private parties.
You're a production manager for

1460
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:52,840
a wedding.
That has to be a big wedding.

1461
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,600
Well, the first one I did, I got
a call.

1462
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,040
I'm really good.
People call me at the last

1463
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,720
minute.
I call them parachute gigs.

1464
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,160
We need a production manager.
OK, what?

1465
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,640
And a friend of mine would do
that to me all the time, who

1466
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,840
does a lot of TV stuff.
But the first one was at Frank

1467
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,200
Sinatra's old place in Holmby
Hills.

1468
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,800
And the only way in there was 2
gates into the backyard, 2-3

1469
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,280
foot gates.
And we put a huge tent back

1470
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,120
there, covered up a pool.
You know, the Big Lots in Holmby

1471
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,720
Hills, there's like four or five
acre lots, you know, they're

1472
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,720
huge.
Palmby Hills is the most

1473
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,840
expensive place in LA.
It's, I mean, it's because the

1474
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,240
lots are so big.
You know, the Playboy Mansion,

1475
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:40,320
spelling mansion.
So we we got it all in there and

1476
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,640
I couldn't work on that on the
wedding day and the wedding

1477
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,880
planner freaked out, but I had
to take my kid to a cheerleading

1478
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,200
competition.
My wife was in Saint Louis at

1479
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,320
the time.
And I get back, I get back to

1480
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,120
me.
It was a big it was Brad Gray

1481
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,000
president paranoid picture.
So Sting was there.

1482
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,360
Dane DeVito looked right behind
him being big Hollywood a list

1483
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,400
wedding.
And next day I come in and I'm

1484
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:06,560
in the house and in one room
there's all this booze and like.

1485
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,160
Wow.
That's all the stuff we open.

1486
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,840
We can't return it because if
you don't open it, there's these

1487
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,440
three big liquor stores on the
West side that do all this

1488
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,400
stuff.
You can return it, but some

1489
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,680
bottles were open and just like
one pour out of it.

1490
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,120
And he goes.
Take care of everybody.

1491
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,400
So I took care of all the Peru 2
cases of French wine, he goes.

1492
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,520
I don't need it.
Just just that's why I took care

1493
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,200
of everybody.
Wow, get rid of it.

1494
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,760
Yeah, yeah, it took us the the
funnest.

1495
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,560
Funny thing about that.
Gig we were riding.

1496
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,480
Across the street from Barbara's
old house in Holmby Hills,

1497
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:41,840
Arizona, Carrollwood, which is
the north side of Sunset, right

1498
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,160
at the bottom of Carrollwood, is
where Michael Jackson died.

1499
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,160
Yeah, Ozzy lived in that street
for a long time, and I had to

1500
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,920
bring a crane in to get the
porta potty over the roof into

1501
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,400
the backyard.
And these tour buses are going

1502
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,880
by, and I'm like, hey, just
another day in Hollywood.

1503
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,400
Crazy.
That's, yeah, lifting.

1504
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,120
Porta potties over the house.
Yeah, and I've.

1505
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,200
Dealt with cranes a fucking a
lot man.

1506
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,800
It's well the next year for the
same wedding planner.

1507
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,040
I did this wedding in the
Hamptons and it was a 21 day

1508
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,560
loaded and we worked right up to
the night before.

1509
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,120
You know, it's ridiculous.
You've been out there in

1510
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:23,960
Hamptons.
Haven't.

1511
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:24,760
You.
Yeah, I have.

1512
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,440
It's kind of a funny place.
It's like, it's weird.

1513
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,680
There's farm fields, there's
then there's all these.

1514
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,920
Houses and you.
Know and we were on Maya Cock

1515
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:39,000
Bay there right at water milk
and it was a beautiful place.

1516
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,560
It was a old Craftsman been
there 100 years with the big

1517
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,240
porches.
You know, it was only like 4000

1518
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,640
square feet, but there was this
big backyard grass went all the

1519
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,400
way down to the water and it was
a 13 foot drop.

1520
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,840
And we put in the first week
alone was putting in this

1521
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:58,320
humongous scaffolding structure.
You know, that's where the main,

1522
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:00,720
what the reception was going to
be.

1523
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,160
Then we put another tent in
front of the house and another

1524
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,040
tent in the tennis court.
And it was just endless

1525
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,080
coordination, you know, you
know, cat was there with with

1526
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,360
power and it it, it was just off
the charts.

1527
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,680
And and that was that was a
wedding as well.

1528
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,720
Yeah, that was a wedding.
It was there for a month. 41

1529
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,000
days in, 10 days out.
Everybody's going.

1530
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,520
How's the Hamptons?
I'm like, I don't know.

1531
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:30,440
And there's no chain hotels out
there.

1532
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,720
We were staying in a place
called the Trident, which is

1533
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:37,840
down by the golf course where
they're doing the US Open name

1534
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,480
Escape Me.
But you know, the traffic jam in

1535
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:43,880
the morning was unbelievable
because everybody lived off the

1536
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,240
island in Long Island.
You know, they it was just, and

1537
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,520
we'd stop at this 711.
It's this busiest 711 I've seen.

1538
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,360
In my life.
There's like 5 coffee stations,

1539
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,320
and that's where all of Latin's
hung out, you know?

1540
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,200
Yeah.
And we get there at 7:00, work

1541
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,360
all day, get everybody off the
property, go eat dinner, go to

1542
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:03,760
the hotel.
Step and repeat.

1543
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,760
Same thing, just that's how they
did the amount of money that

1544
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,200
some of these people spend on
these.

1545
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,880
Weddings just blows my mind.
You know, it's, it's especially

1546
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,200
with a divorce rate at whatever
it is today, 80% or something,

1547
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:21,000
you know, it's like, OK, we're
gonna spend $7,000,000 on a

1548
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,040
wedding or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, I did a couple

1549
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,080
others.
I did another one at the

1550
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,000
Roseland Ballroom.
From the same guy, and that was

1551
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,760
a hard one.
That was like a 48 hour load and

1552
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,280
right in the middle of New York
and I had twin pack go down.

1553
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,560
I mean, only time I've ever had
a Jenny failed, but it failed

1554
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,560
the night before.
Thank God, you know, of course

1555
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,880
you're right in the middle of
New York City.

1556
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,560
And it's just like, oh, did you
ever do, did you ever do one of

1557
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,800
these big weddings where they
hire like Beyoncé or?

1558
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,040
Somebody to perform?
No, but I did a private party

1559
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:57,120
back in Holmby Hills.
Next to the Playway mansion, the

1560
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:04,000
Brody house owned by a tech guy.
We decided to do a party and and

1561
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,760
my friend got the call but he
was busy.

1562
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,720
My buddy Eddie Swank, who does a
lot of TV shows, he called me

1563
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,200
goes.
Can you come in and cover this,

1564
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,800
cover the loading 'cause I, I'm,
you know, I'll be there for.

1565
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,600
So we were there for three weeks
and you've driven through that

1566
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,520
area.
It's all these big hedgerows.

1567
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,200
Yeah.
It's crazy.

1568
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,440
You can't see, you know, these
these tours go by and you know,

1569
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:22,760
the only thing you see is the
front.

1570
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,680
Gate.
You know, and these bushes

1571
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,480
belong to.
Yeah.

1572
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:31,080
Yeah.
And so we we had to bring a

1573
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,960
crane in.
To get to all the tent

1574
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,240
structures in the in the back
cover a pool.

1575
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,480
And it was just day after day.
And you know, we, we cut a hole

1576
01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:44,720
in the hedges and the driveway
and had to park the truck on the

1577
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,520
side like this and unload it
into the backyard.

1578
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,520
And it was, it was something
else.

1579
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:55,880
And so on that gig we had John
Legend, Lady Gaga and the Chili

1580
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,800
Peppers.
Damn, we had to build a

1581
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,920
turntable in the corner.
Hauling.

1582
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:07,920
G blocks by hand.
It it, it was just and, you

1583
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,280
know, Eddie finally got there
and and it's a day of show.

1584
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,440
We're, you know, we're dried
down to like we're cleaning the

1585
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:18,320
driveway and six Eddie looks and
he goes, you want to get out of

1586
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:19,400
here?
I'm like, I'm going to get out

1587
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,840
ready.
He goes, get out of here.

1588
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,800
I'll run the show, be back at
6-7 in the morning.

1589
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,760
Yeah, so I didn't see the show,
but a great thing.

1590
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:32,200
This guy, he you know, we're
just thinking it's a big another

1591
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,400
Hollywood tent party.
You know, we've done tons of

1592
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,360
those.
On the day of the event, this

1593
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,240
guy donated $250 million of
Cancer Research.

1594
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,840
Wow.
Big, big, real baller.

1595
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,200
He.
He believed in the new analogy.

1596
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,400
I think they call it or it's.
It's fighting cancer with your

1597
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,880
immune system.
So he donated $250 million to 10

1598
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,600
universities in California.
And.

1599
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,120
And at that time, we were like
going, OK, this is good.

1600
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,880
We could be like this.
That's real money.

1601
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:02,920
Yeah.
Yeah.

1602
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,840
I did another one with him.
As for his birthday right before

1603
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,760
the pandemic and we had a 16 by
20.

1604
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,120
Four stage underneath the big
old.

1605
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,800
Magnolia Tree back there and
Stevie Nicks played on it.

1606
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,280
Jesus.
So Marty Hall was there, and

1607
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,560
Dave Morgan, all those guys.
Are all part of that old?

1608
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,080
But yeah, it was 100 people, and
then the pandemic hit 100

1609
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,240
people, yeah.
There were 100 people at the

1610
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,120
party.
For Stevie Nicks to play.

1611
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,840
Yeah, Jesus.
You know you got cash when

1612
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:35,520
right?
Well.

1613
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:36,920
It's like you.
Know these corporate.

1614
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,600
Gigs, you know, people you know,
like Huey Lewis.

1615
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,760
And train and, and that's where
the money is.

1616
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,040
I don't know if he like just,
you know, Huey Lewis, you know,

1617
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,920
back, you know, unfortunately
he's not torn anymore.

1618
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,760
He can get 30 grand if he plays
the Canyon Club in in Olgori

1619
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:56,280
Hills corporate, he'll get 80
grand and.

1620
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,520
They pay for the flights.
They pay for the hotels, they

1621
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,920
pay for everything and they and
they want 45 minutes.

1622
01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:05,720
Yeah, it's it's just easy money
for these guys.

1623
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,520
Yeah, and I can't.
Blame them, you know, but I've

1624
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:10,600
done a whole.
Bunch of those.

1625
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,280
And they all complain like you
hear all of them complaining on

1626
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,920
the, you know, when they.
Do interviews and stuff.

1627
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,760
Oh yeah, like comedians, you
hear them complaining.

1628
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,280
Oh, I had to do this corporate
gig.

1629
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,320
They suck.
Like, they go on Joe Rogan.

1630
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,240
They go on Joe Rogan and
complain, you know, about having

1631
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,800
to do a corporate gig, but you
got paid like 250 grand or

1632
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,280
something.
Like, what are you complaining

1633
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:32,280
about?
Shut up.

1634
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,800
Yeah, it's just, it's just easy
gig.

1635
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,760
You're in a beautiful hotel.
You're not bouncing.

1636
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:42,080
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I guess it's hard though when
you're a performer and.

1664
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,320
Like the?
Crowd isn't really like you're a

1665
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,080
comedian who might be a little
darker or you curse a lot or

1666
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,200
whatever and you got all these
people, stuffy people and you

1667
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:42,880
know, tuxedos and their their
wives in these multi $1000 gowns

1668
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,880
and stuff.
And it's not your crowd, you

1669
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,200
know, So it's like the guy.
Who is?

1670
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,400
Having the party likes you, so
he decided to bring you in.

1671
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,880
But it's not your crowd.
Yeah, so I understand, but take

1672
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,920
the cash a check and shut up,
right?

1673
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,600
Yeah, I did a corporate gig in
Shreveport a couple years ago

1674
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:04,800
and.
Once again I had to bring a

1675
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,080
crane in downtown Shreveport Old
hotel right next to it's a

1676
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,960
health club with a tennis court
on top.

1677
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,560
And this company?
Cool company is called Metro

1678
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,920
Aviation.
They build all the air ambulance

1679
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,160
helicopters in the country.
Oh, wow.

1680
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,480
Yeah.
And they have a whole network

1681
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:27,080
across the country, like a 24
hour Mission Control thing going

1682
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,960
on.
Really nice guys.

1683
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,480
But it was their 40th
anniversary.

1684
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,080
But the problem I had was old
hotel with an elevator about the

1685
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,640
size of a closet.
And next door was it was a on

1686
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,360
top of his health club was a
tennis court.

1687
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,360
That's where they're doing the
party.

1688
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,760
So I had to park 120 ton crane
on the street and everything

1689
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:51,080
from the tent to the dance floor
went up this crane.

1690
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,480
Four days.
Yeah.

1691
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,160
And the the thing that saved me.
Is the crane, guy goes.

1692
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:01,640
This crane normally works in the
oil fields.

1693
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,840
He goes, I got this big basket
that's like, you know, 36 inches

1694
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:10,080
wide by, you know, 12 feet long.
But that we haul pipe in.

1695
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,240
But you might.
I said I'll use it because it

1696
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,760
had a little gate on the end and
I loaded all the road cases on

1697
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,200
there and it said sending up Rd.
cases one at a time, we can just

1698
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,680
load them onto this thing.
And up they went, you know, and

1699
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,320
well, it saved, saved a lot of
time.

1700
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,000
That is crazy.
Yeah.

1701
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,680
It just, it's amazing that.
You know you get in using.

1702
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,320
This really heavy equipment, you
know, I'm trying to get shows in

1703
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:39,360
some of these crazy places, but
that was a great show we had.

1704
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:45,640
We had lit Cyndi Lauper and we
have Mike McDonald and Mike

1705
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:46,760
played.
With the opening.

1706
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:51,600
Band called the Molly Ringwald.
It was, it was an 80s theme

1707
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,440
party and it was a lot of fun.
Mike.

1708
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:56,680
Mike's a great guy.
He was very just, yeah.

1709
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,160
He lives up in Santa Barbara,
really.

1710
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:02,960
And he went along with it, you
know, You know, he played like 4

1711
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,240
songs and probably got paid who
knows how much.

1712
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,880
But yeah, yeah.
But yeah.

1713
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,040
Just crazy.
Stuff like that over the years.

1714
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,600
Yeah, I did BM WS 100th
anniversary in 2016.

1715
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,920
And Parker Hanger, if he's
familiar with Barker down in

1716
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,120
Santa Monica.
Oh, boy.

1717
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,440
It's, it's an old airplane
hangar at Santa Monica Airport.

1718
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,240
And this lady, her name's Judy
Barker.

1719
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,040
I've done a ton of shows and a
bunch of different things, but

1720
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:38,280
it she one day her friend walks
in in 1990 and said, Judy, this

1721
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,480
place can be an Event Center
because she was storing planes

1722
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,200
for like $50.00 an A month, you
know, stuff like that.

1723
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,240
And it turned into a big Event
Center.

1724
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:50,960
It's been a lot, but I did BMW
sing in there and that was had

1725
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,840
to be 100 trucks.
It was that big.

1726
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,000
You know, it was like an auto
show.

1727
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,200
They put down false floor you.
Know through the whole.

1728
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,840
Hangar it.
It was just and.

1729
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,520
I'm the only one.
Who's ever been around the

1730
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,760
generator there 24 hours because
you can't run the Jenny's there

1731
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,600
24 hours because it follows the
neighborhoods.

1732
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:12,320
So and they're going, we got to
keep keep these two things

1733
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,560
running 24 hours a day.
There's no way around it.

1734
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,480
And so I said and they're
running at 50 Hertz, which makes

1735
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:21,000
them a little quieter.
So I stacked up all those big

1736
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,320
roadbot, you know, the big
wooden boxes around, put it in

1737
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:28,320
the back corner, stacked them up
around Jenny and I ran it for 24

1738
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,520
hours for like, oh, ten days.
And Judy never knew.

1739
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,160
She wouldn't know.
She would scalp me.

1740
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:37,560
But we got away.
So how big is this place?

1741
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:42,120
It's probably.
About 150 feet wide by about.

1742
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,840
200 feet deep.
It ain't that big.

1743
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,040
Maybe 300?
Feet deep.

1744
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,440
It's just a.
Quonset Hut airplane.

1745
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:52,840
Hanger.
Hell, I did the People's Choice

1746
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,720
Awards in there.
Wow show.

1747
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,720
I mean, I've done the BMW in
there.

1748
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:01,960
What else?
I can't remember, but it's it's

1749
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,640
popular, it's busy almost every
week.

1750
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:09,240
It's it's it's the only big
place on the West Side that you

1751
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,520
can do events in West side of
LA.

1752
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:16,760
And there's just no other space
that I did Robert Downey.

1753
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:21,520
There's a Robert Downey's
birthday party there, big a list

1754
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,200
Hollywood party.
And I was actually working in

1755
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,520
the New York Auto Show and I
flew back and they had already

1756
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,560
been a day in Loden.
But we, we put a turntable in.

1757
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,160
We had all this Drake everywhere
and it was a big birthday party

1758
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:33,440
kind of thing.
And Barbra Streisand's there,

1759
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,920
everybody's there.
Well, the entertainment was

1760
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:41,360
Duran Duran and Steely Dan.
Oh wow, on a big turntable.

1761
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,920
So we had Duran Duran play first
and a lot of people left and

1762
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,240
then we flipped the table.
And also everybody realizes it's

1763
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:49,680
steely.
Dan and I think.

1764
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,600
It's the only corporate gig they
ever did because it was right in

1765
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,800
the middle of the year.
They played Coachella, you know,

1766
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,360
they, they, it was in that week,
it was, they played and

1767
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,280
everybody was like, it was
great, you know, to see that.

1768
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,400
But by then there's only like
200 people left.

1769
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:11,120
So wow, yeah, that's cool.
I enjoy it.

1770
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,800
It's did.
Did you ever get a gig where you

1771
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,680
you took the gig?
You said yes.

1772
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,880
And then?
Immediately went oh God, what

1773
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,440
have I done last year?
Oh really?

1774
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:26,840
Yeah, recently I've done a few
no names named.

1775
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:31,200
Before a big party planner in in
town here and after the last

1776
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:34,000
ones, the City of Hope show, you
know, big entertainment show.

1777
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,720
I said I'm never again, never
again.

1778
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,360
Well, eight years go by, she
calls me, she goes, I'm doing

1779
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:42,800
this graduation out at the
Claremont, you know, Claremont

1780
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,080
College.
OK, that sounds I can deal with

1781
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:46,600
that.
Well, it just turned into a

1782
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,800
nightmare and she wouldn't
listen to me.

1783
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,360
And unfortunately, at that time,
my sister was in the hospital.

1784
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:53,760
She was having all sorts of
medical problems.

1785
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,680
I was up and passed roles and I
just, I'd scholar said I can't

1786
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,000
deal with this.
And I just couldn't put up with

1787
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:03,200
her for three months.
You know, you say, OK, why did

1788
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:04,600
you hire me?
I'm your production manager.

1789
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,800
This is how we should do it.
This should be the schedule.

1790
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,600
Yeah, they wanted to do it on
top of a a parking structure and

1791
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:11,720
parking structures.
Are really.

1792
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:13,240
Funky you really got to be
careful with those things

1793
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,200
because they're not built to do
events on top of they're built

1794
01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:21,040
parked cars and they're
engineered that way, you know.

1795
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,920
So I got a buddy to do it and
just walked away from it.

1796
01:36:24,440 --> 01:36:25,840
I just couldn't take it with
her.

1797
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,840
She just and I, I talked to my
buddy afterwards.

1798
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,600
I go how, how, how, how'd it go?
Eddie, he goes.

1799
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,600
I'm not working for her again.
I, I've known people like that

1800
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,600
too.
Like I I got hired.

1801
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,120
By somebody on a consulting
thing and they were putting

1802
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:43,960
together you know, they were
buying a couple of companies and

1803
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:48,840
this was probably it was before
COVID, it was probably 2017 or

1804
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,960
18 and you know they just
wouldn't listen to anything yeah

1805
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,840
like, you know they hired me
they were paying me which was

1806
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,960
great but they wouldn't listen
to anything I told them to do

1807
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:03,440
and right and and so finally I
just said look stop paying me

1808
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:06,080
like what are you doing This is
a waste of your money and my

1809
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,760
time so let's just.
Cut.

1810
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,720
The shit, you know?
No, no, no, no, no.

1811
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,280
We'll do whatever you want, you
know?

1812
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Yeah, it just, you know.
You, you hire me to to I'm a

1813
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,880
production guy.
Logistics.

1814
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:20,480
This is how we should put the
show in.

1815
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:25,160
This is where we can save money.
And they just, you know, I just

1816
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,120
had to walk.
I I was under my I thought I was

1817
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,240
going to lose my sister.
It was it was a pretty bad

1818
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,880
situation.
I just said, OK, yeah, she's

1819
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:32,920
fine.
Good.

1820
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:33,840
But it was.
It was.

1821
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:37,160
I'm I'm like, I look after her.
Because my mom's gone and she's

1822
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:41,200
not a disability, but there's
one other party planner in town

1823
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:42,920
who I've worked for, and this
lady's the best.

1824
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:47,520
Her name is Debbie Geller.
And she goes and that's a

1825
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,320
complete.
It's a complete.

1826
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,120
Officer, she goes.
Can't when I get into these big

1827
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:53,400
shows, I need you because I
don't know what's going on here,

1828
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,160
you know, You know we did.
We did an event for this guy was

1829
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:58,480
on the richest guys in.
Town for quite a.

1830
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:03,000
While aircraft leasing business
down Barker Hanger, it was a

1831
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,280
James Bond theme we had.
We had a rocket hanging off the

1832
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,400
over the cocktail.
Area, you know, it was a big.

1833
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,360
Party for him and it was a great
event and it just yeah.

1834
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:18,160
And and she she never this this
lady never yelled at anybody.

1835
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,040
She would ask me questions.
I'll get back to you.

1836
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,640
She's just the best.
I mean, yeah.

1837
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,160
On on those gigs.
Do they give you the budget or

1838
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:30,320
do you give them the the cost?
No, those gigs are kind of like

1839
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:31,960
the budget's the budget, you
know, it's.

1840
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,200
Just like, yeah, I, I never saw
it.

1841
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:35,680
I just was brought in.
I'm familiar.

1842
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,640
I was brought in two weeks out
to to help pull it together.

1843
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:44,000
So the same other lady does all
the the the vents for the Rogers

1844
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:48,960
family in in Toronto.
Yeah, I've done 3 events for the

1845
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,000
Rogers family.
Yeah, you know, I'm sure you're

1846
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,960
familiar with them, right?
Well, yeah, I have a house in.

1847
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,120
Canada and I friggin write.
Them a check every month.

1848
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:01,520
Rogers bastards.
We we did 2008.

1849
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,560
Ted Rodgers, 75th birthday
party.

1850
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,080
We're up at the Canadian Film
Center up in the North End of

1851
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,080
town.
Big tent party, you know, like,

1852
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,880
you know, you put a tent up, but
then this guy came up from LA.

1853
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,760
Oh God, this, this, this guy,
he's, he's a poofer.

1854
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,440
You know, he makes the tent look
beautiful.

1855
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:25,440
Well, he brought all those guys.
Well, Adam got sent home and so

1856
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,880
we got the whole tent done.
It's beautiful.

1857
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,800
We had Paul Anka, we had Harry
Belafonte.

1858
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,560
Ten of the richest people in
Canada are there.

1859
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,760
Great party.
We.

1860
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,960
Got that out.
I went down to the the sky that

1861
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,320
I called the Skydome because
that's the only.

1862
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,240
One, I was built of the Skydome.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1863
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,400
And I I got a room and I'm up
there in right field.

1864
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,840
Watching the Blue Jays.
Play the Kansas City game's

1865
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:54,520
over, they clear the place.
I come down at 6:00 PM.

1866
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,320
We started an overnight load in
and there's a picture of it on

1867
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,360
my website.
We brought in carnivals, a

1868
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:04,520
mobile stage.
Had survived and then it was

1869
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,600
Ted's 70. 5th birthday party.
For all the employees, we had

1870
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,760
8000 people show up.
Wow.

1871
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:11,520
Yeah.
And you know, they're very

1872
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,160
family oriented business
they're.

1873
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,000
They're great.
People Melinda one of the

1874
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,560
daughters kind of handles all
that kind of stuff for them and

1875
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,480
so it pulled off went off great
get home.

1876
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,840
God was I was down in LA live
putting up a big, we're doing a

1877
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,240
big Christmas tree, 11,000 LED
bulbs in it in the Plaza there.

1878
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:37,040
And Ted passed away and and
Debbie calls me like, and I go,

1879
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,600
well, I'm just wrapping up the
show.

1880
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,120
She goes, they want us.
You got to fly.

1881
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:42,240
We got to fly to Toronto
tomorrow.

1882
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,600
I flew back to Toronto and I did
Ted's funeral.

1883
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:48,800
I've done 2 funerals.
My goodness.

1884
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,480
Wow.
Because we were downtown at some

1885
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:54,480
big old church.
I mean, you know, beautiful.

1886
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,640
And they wanted to broadcast it
and we, it was a big crowd

1887
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:00,960
coming.
We had to put a tent outside.

1888
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,680
It's December, it's snowing, you
know, LED screen.

1889
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,160
Whenever I'm in Toronto, I
bring.

1890
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:07,680
Do you know a guy named Bob
Mitchell?

1891
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:12,520
I do, yeah.
CPI but Bob's Bob's my.

1892
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,120
Guy I because.
I got to have a local guy who

1893
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,960
can pick up the phone at 8:00 at
night and call somebody and say,

1894
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,640
we need this tomorrow morning.
You know, if I call them,

1895
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,200
they're like, well, who the hell
are you, you know?

1896
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,920
Yeah, yeah, Bob.
Bob helped me on all those

1897
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,760
shows.
Great, great guy, you know, But

1898
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,600
the last I I think I was
thinking of somebody else

1899
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,080
because I do.
Know a Bob Mitchell, but I don't

1900
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,360
think it's that Bob Mitchell
because he's not in Toronto.

1901
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,840
Bob worked for CPI for years.
He was a production.

1902
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,280
Manager, promoter, Rep.
And then he ran the big festival

1903
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,520
in downtown Toronto.
It happens in June every year

1904
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,920
and I can't remember the name.
I don't know if I know him or

1905
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,920
not.
Anyway, I'm old too.

1906
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:54,320
I forget.
Yeah, you know the other thing

1907
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,000
is when.
You're doing.

1908
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,800
Shows in in a a town.
You need to have a local guy

1909
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,400
there who who can pick up the
phone, you know, that's really

1910
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,880
cheap, who can speak Canadian.
Yeah, so the funniest.

1911
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:09,200
Thing is, we're in the church.
And they're broadcasting, you

1912
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,120
know, and I'm I'm up there with
the pastor.

1913
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:16,280
I go, Sir, I need to put a
couple lights up behind the

1914
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,760
podium here.
You know, he goes, no, I said,

1915
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:23,840
Sir, this is going on TVI kind
of backlight these people.

1916
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,960
He let me put one up there.
But he he didn't want any of

1917
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,200
this rock and feel stuff in
this.

1918
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:34,520
Wow.
Yeah, so fun and the fun.

1919
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:35,800
The funniest?
Last story.

1920
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:40,080
So Debbie and I get there, we're
running around and, you know,

1921
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,040
we're doing things and she goes,
well, we got to go up to the

1922
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,240
house.
I'm like, OK, you know, second

1923
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,160
richest man in Canada.
We're driving up this through

1924
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:49,520
this neighborhood.
I can't remember the name of it

1925
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,000
and it looks like Hancock.
Parked to me.

1926
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,560
You know, there's houses with
big lawns and driving.

1927
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,680
All of a sudden we turn in
quarter pool right in the

1928
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,560
driveway.
The driveway's the size of my

1929
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,280
driveway.
I'm like.

1930
01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:02,520
What?
She goes, yeah, this is their

1931
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,240
house.
They've lived here for 35 years.

1932
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,880
Wow.
There's no big fence.

1933
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,560
There's you can walk.
I guess you you.

1934
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,520
Walk up and knock on the door
and Ted would answer, you know,

1935
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:17,000
and we're in the house and
there's, there's, you know,

1936
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,680
there's stuffed animals
everywhere, 'cause they're

1937
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:21,640
grandkids.
And it just felt like a home,

1938
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:25,320
you know?
And the coolest thing ourselves,

1939
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,160
they have put in a solarium over
the living room and, and it's

1940
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,440
snowing and we're talking and
I'm like just watching the snow.

1941
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,880
But they're just, and, and
Debbie David was like, this is

1942
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,920
how the Canadians are.
It's it's not like they're

1943
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:42,080
behind.
LA like.

1944
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,200
They're behind forts, you know,
in high hedges.

1945
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,000
It's this is their home.
They've lived here for 35 years.

1946
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:47,960
Yeah.
Yeah.

1947
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:50,440
It's funny because I was in, I
don't know if you know who, Dave

1948
01:43:50,440 --> 01:43:53,560
Weckerley.
Is, but he was on like the

1949
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:58,920
Canadian version of Shark Tank,
very successful business guy

1950
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:03,920
slash investor in Canada.
He was one of the early

1951
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,920
BlackBerry guys, I think, too,
but very, very wealthy guy.

1952
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:10,840
I was in his house and it was
very similar, like small

1953
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,840
driveway.
You walk right up to the door.

1954
01:44:13,480 --> 01:44:16,240
Unbelievable friggin house
inside, you know?

1955
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:20,080
Yeah, but, but yeah, it was very
normal.

1956
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:24,840
Like it didn't you know, We have
much more opulent houses here.

1957
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,440
Oh, my, yeah.
You know, West LA and it's

1958
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,280
unreal.
Well, and here at Palm Beach,

1959
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:32,720
it's the same thing.
Palm Beach, You you can't see

1960
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,040
the house.
The house is like, you know, 1/4

1961
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,480
of a mile away from where you're
landing, you know?

1962
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:39,680
Yeah.
But then I just really.

1963
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,480
And we one more thing for them.
We did their 50th anniversary

1964
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:47,360
and.
I think 2011 we did Vancouver,

1965
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:55,640
Moncton, Montreal, Ottawa and
and and Toronto.

1966
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,480
It was 50th anniversary
celebration.

1967
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,480
Yeah, I loaded the show in in
Vancouver and I, I know a guy up

1968
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:05,000
there, Chris Pryor, Pryor
Entertainment.

1969
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:09,880
Yeah, I called immediately
saying, you know, I had a

1970
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:12,360
relationship with him.
But as soon as I put that show

1971
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:16,120
in, we had to get on a plane.
Me and that's any guy, a couple

1972
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,600
to get to Moncton, which is, you
know, if you don't leave

1973
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,400
Vancouver by 10 in the morning,
you're not making the monk trip.

1974
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,160
Yeah, people think Canada's
small until you have to go from

1975
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:29,080
Vancouver to Moncton.
Yeah, yeah, that was enjoyable

1976
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:29,760
one.
Yeah.

1977
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,880
Once again, we, we.
Ended up in, I think we ended up

1978
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,840
in the Skydome again.
But yeah, anyway, great family.

1979
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,640
You know, it's funny because
when I first moved to to South

1980
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:41,880
Florida over 30 years ago.
You'd say you were from Canada

1981
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,520
and people would be like, Oh,
well, do you know like Bob

1982
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,600
Smith?
And I'm like, well, where's he

1983
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:51,280
live in Canada?
In Canada, You know, like it's

1984
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,240
a, it's a tiny.
Little.

1985
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,280
Place this big you know up north
right yeah.

1986
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:00,200
Or or, you know, it was either
that or, you know, I I.

1987
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:02,920
Come.
From Canada, oh, Vancouver or

1988
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:04,760
Montreal.
And I'm like, well, there's sort

1989
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:08,600
of a whole country between, yes,
you know, big country, yeah.

1990
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:11,160
There's a lot of stuff in
between those two, you know.

1991
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:17,280
One thing I I was dating a woman
in, we live in Buffalo, OK,

1992
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:19,400
whose family owns one of the
biggest tent companies in the

1993
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:23,520
country and met her at a
convention in Long Beach and we

1994
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,520
had a great time.
She was, well, much younger than

1995
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,720
me, but we, we went up to
Montreal one weekend, Labor Day

1996
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,760
weekend, just like, what a great
city.

1997
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,600
But I went out and met with
stage line people.

1998
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,080
Yeah.
And because I, I worked for

1999
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,400
Klieg for years, you know, I, I
sold mobile stages on the side

2000
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,520
for Klieg.
So, you know, I went and visited

2001
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,760
her facilities.
Beautiful, beautiful fairy up

2002
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,360
there.
They took me out to lunch and

2003
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:50,560
had a great time.
Yeah.

2004
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,360
Yeah.
It's, it's, they're interesting

2005
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,200
people, I mean.
They've certainly built a really

2006
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:59,360
nice business from what started
as something fairly small a long

2007
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,360
time ago.
But yeah, I think Marshall, he

2008
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,360
built his first one just for
some Yeah festival in.

2009
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,360
Downtown Montreal or something
like that.

2010
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,360
What's his name again?
Yvonne or Yvonne?

2011
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:10,480
That's right, yeah.
Yeah.

2012
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:13,160
Yeah.
They're great.

2013
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:14,240
They're great people.
I've had a.

2014
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:16,040
Really good relationship in
them.

2015
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:18,760
Over the years, yeah, yeah, it's
a great product.

2016
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:20,720
Yeah.
So it's it's.

2017
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:22,840
Changed everything.
You don't do any.

2018
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,320
Touring at all, like if someone
called you and said we want you

2019
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,200
to go out and.
PM, you know, the next whatever

2020
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,040
tour.
No, I haven't been on the road

2021
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,920
in 25 years.
Yeah, I do have.

2022
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,480
Three casino clients, I do.
I call them parking lot parties.

2023
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,400
Yeah, You know, roll Mobile
stage into a parking lot outside

2024
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,480
the casino.
And I have one in San Diego.

2025
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:45,040
Went out in Arizona, went up in
Elko, NV, old places.

2026
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,560
I work for Live Nation a lot.
Yeah, I'm like their bullpen

2027
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:50,840
guy.
They get overloaded, they call

2028
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,480
me.
So I still got my foot in the

2029
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:55,920
concert world.
Quite a bit.

2030
01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:58,720
I know you've done the
Parnelli's for a number of years

2031
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,520
too, right?
I ran that for 15.

2032
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,720
Years.
Yeah, yeah, from the beginning I

2033
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,320
was.
I would put the show in and.

2034
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,600
And I would even show, call it,
yeah.

2035
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:12,280
But it got to the point where
it's just like, I don't know,

2036
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:13,800
this is kind of time to step
aside.

2037
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,400
And.
And Kevin Mitchell wanted

2038
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:21,080
Michael Keith to run it.
So I said, OK, 15 years.

2039
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,400
I'm done.
Yeah.

2040
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,520
But yeah.
I've always had a good

2041
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,640
relationship with Terry Lowe.
Yeah.

2042
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,560
Over the years and it was fun.
But.

2043
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:34,480
You know, mostly, you know, I
think about getting back on the

2044
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,040
road, but you know, I always
hated tour.

2045
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,400
Buses just I.
Just could not sleep on it.

2046
01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:41,640
You know, there's two guys out
there, people who can sleep on

2047
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,640
tour buses and people who can't.
And I never could.

2048
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:49,120
Yeah, I, I've never.
Well, I did it when I was

2049
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,400
playing but it.
Wasn't tour buses like I'd be

2050
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:54,400
sleeping on top of speaker
cabinets or school buses back or

2051
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:59,240
something, you know, but, but.
I've never actually slept in.

2052
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:03,080
Bunks on a tour bus.
I've, you know, not proud to say

2053
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,080
it, but it's true, you know, So
I did.

2054
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,040
I did a huge amount of people in
the industry, but I've never

2055
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:09,720
been part.
That part of the.

2056
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,480
Industry, it's it's hard.
I've done probably, I probably

2057
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:15,520
did a half dozen tours.
On the Diamond tour, I was with

2058
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,400
the band and we had our own
plane.

2059
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:22,520
We were releasing MGM Grand, DC
Eights and 720 Sevens.

2060
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,760
We flew private.
Same with Streisand.

2061
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,880
The other great tour.
I didn't mention it was Yanni.

2062
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,480
That was Yanni's.
Who lives in your neighborhood,

2063
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:32,960
actually.
Yeah.

2064
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:33,840
Yeah.
In Palm Beach.

2065
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:34,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

2066
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:38,400
We'll probably wrap it up, but.
I, you know, we did the diamond.

2067
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,480
Tour in 96 and a buddy of ours,
Anthony Sabil, who's Yanni's

2068
01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:43,520
right hand man, calls us going I
need help.

2069
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,680
We're going to India.
We're playing the Taj Mahal.

2070
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:51,840
Did those crazy gigs, the Taj
Mahal, the pyramids, like Marcel

2071
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,320
that that that was the hardest
gig.

2072
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,880
Any of us have ever done in.
Our life.

2073
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:57,720
What?
The Taj.

2074
01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:58,560
The Taj.
Yeah.

2075
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,000
So you see the Taj and it's, oh,
it's beautiful.

2076
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:03,600
Yeah.
That's holy ground.

2077
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:08,880
We were in the riverbed behind
it in the Yumai River.

2078
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:13,000
And it was it was a March.
It was a dry season, so huge.

2079
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:15,520
It was in sand.
You know, doing shows in sand

2080
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,880
sucks.
It just we built, we're there

2081
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,560
for 3:00.
We we built a full blown 6000

2082
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:26,240
seat venue in the sand.
We were just kind of north of

2083
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:27,600
the Taj.
But we had that, you know, it

2084
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,920
was all about the video shot.
That was that was the reason.

2085
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:33,840
Yeah.
And it was just brutal.

2086
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,360
You know, and the.
Logistics and stuff too, like

2087
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:37,320
you're.
You're in a.

2088
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:41,800
Really interesting.
Place I did all the the diamond

2089
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:47,680
tour and developed a file.
Maker program for Carnes and and

2090
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,760
Rocket cargo took it and so.
I I knew how to run it.

2091
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,280
So I was brought on just the
deal.

2092
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:54,280
We had 30 C containers we took
down there.

2093
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,480
Jeez, we took five containers
alone.

2094
01:50:57,480 --> 01:50:59,880
Were brown united?
Scaffolding because there.

2095
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:04,160
Was no scaffolding there, it was
bamboo and we had to get it all

2096
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,440
in there.
And we had a.

2097
01:51:06,440 --> 01:51:09,480
Tank bridge across the river.
We come down.

2098
01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:10,760
One day and the bridge is up in
the air.

2099
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,520
They're going, oh, sorry, bridge
is broke.

2100
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,280
We got to go to Delhi to get a
part, you know, and they they

2101
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,040
paid the general $30,000 and the
bridge came back down.

2102
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,040
So.
So we did our first show.

2103
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,480
And Mike Weiss was the
production manager.

2104
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,440
We're standing there, we're
going, maybe we ever go up and

2105
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,640
look at this place.
We hadn't been up there, you

2106
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,560
know, So we went up and walked
around the Taj, you know,

2107
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,760
beautiful.
But Mikey figured out real quick

2108
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,280
that they're going to try to do
the same thing to us on the

2109
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,760
strike.
So the moment the third show

2110
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,280
ended, we went full blown
loadout.

2111
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,160
I mean, just getting them in
there, getting them and get the

2112
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:49,800
trucks, get the IT was all city
containers, you know, get across

2113
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:51,640
the river.
We got and we went 24 hours

2114
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:56,160
straight and, and, and luckily
the next day was the holy day

2115
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:58,040
where they run around through
painting each other.

2116
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:01,840
So the following day, after we
had gotten everything across,

2117
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:02,960
they.
They raised.

2118
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,960
Raised.
The bridge and there was still

2119
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,960
like the tents and the fencing
and the chairs that we've got,

2120
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,400
of course, all got from the
locals there, you know, and they

2121
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:12,800
were stuck out there for like 2
weeks.

2122
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,680
There was no other way to get
anything out there because we

2123
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,800
had to get it to China.
This is the second part of this

2124
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,840
story.
We got all back and they shipped

2125
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:28,240
it to to to Tianjin.
We flew home and six weeks later

2126
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,760
we flew back and we were in
Beijing and.

2127
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,920
And we were in.
The Forbidden City and we did a

2128
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:35,800
show.
You know, the Forbidden City is

2129
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:37,320
a pretty.
Amazing place it's.

2130
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,840
It's huge.
It's these big temples that go

2131
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:44,120
back like 6 and then, but we
were over in the side and kind

2132
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:47,800
of a side temple.
And, you know, the Indians were

2133
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,840
really great to deal with.
You know, the elements were

2134
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,560
brutal.
Now here we are in the middle of

2135
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,960
Beijing, but trying to deal with
the Chinese.

2136
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,840
You want to go pound your head
against the wall for a while

2137
01:52:56,840 --> 01:53:00,760
because it was just everything
was no, which means F you and

2138
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,960
Chinese.
And it was, it was, you know,

2139
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,720
we're, you know, we're in
concrete, we're in, we're

2140
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,120
staying in a beautiful hotel.
But man, it was hard.

2141
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,440
And we pulled that one out.
We did three shows, right?

2142
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:18,160
And that was a great adventure.
We, we had one day off and we

2143
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:19,440
all got, went on and got
hammered.

2144
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:23,360
Of course that we do.
And the next day, the sound guy,

2145
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,560
Greg Lopez is going.
We got to go to the Great Wall.

2146
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:29,280
We got to go, Greg, you know,
and he dragged us out.

2147
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:31,520
We went up to because the Great
Wall is about two hours north of

2148
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,600
Beijing.
And we went up there.

2149
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,240
And I'm glad I did because I had
a picture of me standing on the

2150
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:36,800
Great Wall.
China.

2151
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,800
When was that 97?
OK.

2152
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:44,880
And then I was Yanni's tour
manager in 98 and we were

2153
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:49,280
carrying well, just you know, we
took, we had 150 people there in

2154
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:54,200
in India and China.
We had a 75 piece orchestra and

2155
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:58,960
the Taj at night is not lit up.
So we had to bring in, if you

2156
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:02,320
remember those big synchro
lights and mega lights we had to

2157
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,160
bring.
We had 20 lighting guys on the

2158
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:05,320
show.
It was all PRG.

2159
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:11,120
We had to set up and and light
the Taj up because I remember

2160
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:13,680
the I remember the scene like I.
Remember that whole?

2161
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:15,680
Yanni show.
In in top, Yeah.

2162
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,320
And the first night we lit it
up, half of Agra was down.

2163
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:22,160
There it was just they never
seen it lit up at night.

2164
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,560
That's crazy.
And we had all these rules we

2165
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,320
could we could line up in
purple.

2166
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,920
We could have like we.
Had to use, you know, natural

2167
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:33,240
colors, you know, like, but it
was pretty amazing.

2168
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:34,640
Just.
Yeah.

2169
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,760
Yeah, that was neat.
Yeah, but not even such a big

2170
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,480
deal.
Back then like those those

2171
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:41,240
shows.
Were so cool.

2172
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:47,760
Yeah, in 98 we we had, we did a
big tour of the US. 9 buses and

2173
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,680
four of them alone were just for
the band and in the orchestra we

2174
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:51,600
we were down to.
Like a 30.

2175
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:55,800
Five piece orchestra and we
worked all year and we were at

2176
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:59,200
the top tour that year, believe
it or not, because no one else.

2177
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:01,480
Neil wasn't out, the Stones
weren't out, U2 wasn't out.

2178
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:05,000
We were the number one tour that
year, so that was kind of a good

2179
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,600
way to end it, I guess.
Yeah.

2180
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:09,400
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah.

2181
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:10,760
I wonder if he's still got his
hair.

2182
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,000
I don't know.
He lives right there in West

2183
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,640
Palm.
I don't.

2184
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:17,720
Ever.
Like he hasn't done anything

2185
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,640
really dumb where he got.
Drunk and went out and smashed

2186
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:23,360
up a Ferrari or something.
So I don't see anything about

2187
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,600
him.
Yeah, I used to know.

2188
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,680
Well, I didn't really know her,
but I met.

2189
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:29,880
Her at a party or.
Something I used to live in a a

2190
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:33,720
neighborhood where his one of
his daughters or something lived

2191
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:35,760
there.
I think she was his daughter,

2192
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,600
not his niece.
It was either his daughter or

2193
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,240
his niece lived in our
neighborhood and I met her at a

2194
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,760
party once and they said, hey,
this is Yanni's daughter and I

2195
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:48,120
was oh, hi, how are you?
But yeah, he, they, they, you

2196
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,520
know, my good friend Anthony is
the bill who lives there, who

2197
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:52,160
still.
Goes over to his house, kind of

2198
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,880
looks after there's a studio
there and everything.

2199
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,480
And they they were doing a real
close friend of mine, Bud

2200
01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:59,480
Horowitz, the lighting, it was
Yanni's lighting.

2201
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:04,480
They were God for from like 2000
to the Upton pandemic.

2202
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,960
They were doing, they would do
AUS tour, but they were doing

2203
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:11,960
shows like in Armenia, Pyramids,
Malaysia.

2204
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,680
I mean, they were going.
And they had set.

2205
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:17,520
It up where they had two sea
containers park, one in the

2206
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,520
Western Hemisphere and one in
the Eastern hemisphere, you

2207
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,800
know, with the boards and the
and that's how they were talking

2208
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,160
with Bud about that, about how
crazy that sort of period.

2209
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:27,800
They were just all over the
place.

2210
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,200
But then I talked to Anthony and
I go.

2211
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:31,760
Is Yanni going back out?
He goes, he's done.

2212
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,920
He's not going to do it anymore.
So wow.

2213
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:37,520
But you know, those show that
show.

2214
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:41,080
The one on the the tribute.
Shows it's it's a great, I still

2215
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:43,360
listen to album.
It's a great album, you know,

2216
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:47,120
great video.
We had 15 cameras there, you

2217
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,400
know, 75 piece orchestra and you
know, it was a great show.

2218
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,080
It really was and really nice
guy to work for.

2219
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:57,080
So let me ask you a stupid
interview question.

2220
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,440
If if.
You could go back and talk to

2221
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:03,000
your 22 year old self.
What would you what?

2222
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:06,760
What would you tell him to do?
Go into business.

2223
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:10,800
A different business?
I don't know.

2224
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,000
You got you got crazy.
Memories and stories, though,

2225
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,320
that you wouldn't have gotten if
you.

2226
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:19,040
Were I know it's been, it's been
a great adventure.

2227
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:22,880
You know, I've been to 20.
Four countries, 49 states, some

2228
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,080
countries, multiple times.
You know, I've been to Australia

2229
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:26,480
3 times.
I've been to Ireland three

2230
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,160
times.
I've been to England 8 times.

2231
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:29,920
Which state have you not been
to?

2232
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,720
Alaska.
Yeah, you know.

2233
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:38,040
But that that view, I like to do
a cruise out there, one of those

2234
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:40,120
cruises that goes up.
Everyone says that's such an

2235
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:40,960
incredible.
Cruise.

2236
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:44,680
I have no desire to be, you
know, on a ship among icebergs,

2237
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:49,760
but you know, my, my, my, my
parents, my dad, my stepmom.

2238
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:50,960
Did it one time.
They said it was great.

2239
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:53,600
Yeah, but I'm not a cruise guy
either.

2240
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:56,280
I've never been on a cruise.
Just I don't mind cruises.

2241
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,880
Like I live in South Florida.
So eventually you're going to

2242
01:57:58,880 --> 01:57:59,840
go.
On a cruise, right?

2243
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:02,520
And I've known so many people in
the cruise business.

2244
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:03,720
So they're like, hey, let me get
you.

2245
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:07,560
On a ship.
And so I don't mind them, but I

2246
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,400
get a little stir crazy after a
bit.

2247
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:12,680
It's like I don't like being
told where to be at what time

2248
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:15,240
and all that kind of stuff.
I'd rather just go to a resort

2249
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:19,040
and then do what I want to do,
you know, rent a car and get

2250
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:22,680
where you want to go.
But but yeah, like everyone

2251
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:27,000
says, the Alaska cruises.
I actually played in a band that

2252
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,800
we got offered by an agent.
We got offered a gig in a Nuvic,

2253
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,200
which is like right next to
Alaska at the very top of all

2254
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:36,920
right.
It's like right, right on the

2255
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:42,160
Beaufort Sea basically.
And that was crazy and that made

2256
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,280
me never want.
To go to Alaska after that.

2257
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:47,720
I I'd seen enough, you know, it
was like, OK, I'm good.

2258
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,560
Like, you know, a last guy here
is beautiful.

2259
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:53,160
You can have it.
I'm, I'm good with beautiful

2260
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:54,360
Other places.
Yeah.

2261
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:56,040
They, they just don't do any
shows or anything up there.

2262
01:58:56,440 --> 01:59:00,200
My good friend Steve McFadden.
A couple years ago did the Foo

2263
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:02,800
Fighters up there, They called
him out of the blue.

2264
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:05,080
Huh.
Because he had done the Alaska.

2265
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:08,360
Fair or something?
Yeah, but anyway, I know it's

2266
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:09,920
about 90.
Yeah.

2267
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,560
No, I mean, I really appreciate
you doing this.

2268
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,200
I didn't know your your.
Story and it's it's a great

2269
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:17,800
story.
And I also like the transition

2270
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:22,000
acts aspect of the story.
You know, like basically at some

2271
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,120
point in the 90s you just said,
OK, I did this, that's good.

2272
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:29,160
And you figured out a way how to
transition into more of a local,

2273
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:32,880
yeah, aspect of the business.
And you've obviously done very

2274
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:34,200
well in it.
Yeah.

2275
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,040
The, the, the great thing about
the court is, is you're in one

2276
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,000
spot.
You're not.

2277
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:42,560
Moving it doesn't have the sex
appeal of a tour, I guess, but

2278
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,560
it's it's a heck of a lot
easier.

2279
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:47,440
On the body, yeah, yeah, it is.
I I still, I still miss it.

2280
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,440
It just, it was so much fun,
especially with Neil.

2281
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,600
You know, he, he was such a
great, you know, another great

2282
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:55,680
Neil's story is we're in Sydney,
Australia.

2283
01:59:56,520 --> 02:00:00,800
He looks out and there's a
harbour, you know, there's the

2284
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,520
Opera House and the bridge and.
He goes.

2285
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,120
Patrick.
It's called Sydney Harbor, isn't

2286
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:06,120
it?
Sydney Harbor.

2287
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:09,280
Yeah, Patrick, the next day.
Next day off, let's get a boat

2288
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,480
and.
Take everybody out so they rent

2289
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:16,440
a boat and the whole crew, even
our Australian crew guys, we

2290
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,840
went out and cruised all around
City Harbor, You know, just said

2291
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,760
it was, but he would do stuff
like that all the time.

2292
02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:26,000
Just that is so that is so
great.

2293
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:27,400
That's awesome.
You know, we, we're in

2294
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:29,440
Switzerland.
He sides.

2295
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:30,720
Everybody needs one of those
Swiss.

2296
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:33,040
Army knives that are like you
know, you take a tank apart.

2297
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:35,480
He went and bought we're we're
in Seattle.

2298
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:38,240
He goes down and buys everybody
an Eddie Bauer jacket you know,

2299
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:42,080
and and the best story and the
last you know, we're at the

2300
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:48,280
forum 10 nights sold out last
day phone rings production Ken

2301
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:53,320
San Jose the Tiffany's you know
it's Patrick like OK Jose you

2302
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:54,960
gotta go to Tiffany's.
I thought he's getting a present

2303
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,360
for Rothman.
Used to run the building.

2304
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,160
You know, he's gone for hours.
Where the Hell's Jose at?

2305
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:01,600
You know, no pagers, no cell
phone.

2306
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,680
He finally comes back, it's like
430 and I'm like, where the hell

2307
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:07,400
you been?
He goes, I got 100 little teal

2308
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:09,240
Tiffany bags in the car.
I'm like, what?

2309
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:10,760
He goes, he bought everybody a
bracelet.

2310
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:14,480
Oh, that's pretty cool.
Get him in the office, pull out.

2311
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:19,360
It's a sterling silver bracelet,
2 gold bars, your name, you

2312
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,400
know, flip it over and said
thank you for the 10 great

2313
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:24,520
nights at the floor, Neil.
That's so cool.

2314
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:27,320
And then the women, you know, we
had few women out there.

2315
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,840
But and and he just.
Didn't get him for the tour, he

2316
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:31,160
got him for everybody in the
building.

2317
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,960
All the main union guys had
union guys.

2318
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:36,920
The women, instead of their
name, they got a diamond.

2319
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:40,000
That's the kind of class act he
was.

2320
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:41,200
That is amazing.
I wish.

2321
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:43,840
All artists treated.
Their treated their like that

2322
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,960
you know.
Well, the closest I see is there

2323
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:48,400
is Taylor Swift.
I mean, yeah, I always hear

2324
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,240
about all those.
Things that she does, which is

2325
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:52,040
pretty incredible, but it's
just.

2326
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,560
You tell us a family run tour,
you know our dad.

2327
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:58,480
'S out there yeah, she really
appreciates I mean, the bonuses

2328
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:00,920
are just I mean, I got some
bonuses back in the day but man,

2329
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:04,520
those bonuses are insane yeah,
they're pretty cool, but I think

2330
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:06,680
that shows a lot you know about
the.

2331
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:08,840
Quality of person she.
Is and I've I've heard nothing

2332
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:11,520
but great things about her.
Yeah, with the whole thing run.

2333
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:14,640
Well, I mean, it's a machine.
Obviously.

2334
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:16,800
It's.
Making when you're making

2335
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:18,840
billions, it's easy to give away
millions.

2336
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:20,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

2337
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,480
You know, then Neil, like I
said, Neil was the same way.

2338
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,960
Really.
Looked after everybody, spread

2339
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,320
it around, nice tour bonuses,
swag for days.

2340
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:30,360
That's awesome.
I love it.

2341
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:33,080
All right, man, thank.
Thank you so much.

2342
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:34,440
I.
Appreciate you taking the time

2343
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:35,840
to do.
This it's an interesting.

2344
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:39,360
Life you've had and thank you.
It's been a lot of fun.

2345
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,280
Yeah.
Cool all.

2346
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:43,120
Right.
Well, thanks.

2347
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:46,080
Thanks for having me.
And yeah, happy New Year and

2348
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:49,080
hopefully we'll cross paths
again.

2349
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:51,600
Absolutely, Absolutely.
Thanks man.