#336 - Nancy May - The Evolution of Live Events

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I love helping people.
I always say to people, what do

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you want to do?
What's your dream job?

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You know what, what do you want
to learn?

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It's like that's the best thing
in the world to me is having a

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show come off or, you know,
having everything go right.

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I don't need, I don't need a lot
of I don't want accolades.

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I just want to see people
succeed.

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You know, I want to see people
and shows succeed and, and do

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good work.
And that's the fun part for me

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and to learn and then, you know,
get to hang out with these

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really amazing people.
And that's, that's the best

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part.
Well, hello and thanks for

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joining me again today on Geez
of Gear.

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I appreciate you being here and
I think we have another great

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episode today.
So thanks again for joining me.

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First, I wanted to talk to you a
little bit about LDI this year

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and I've talked about it before.
I know Sarah's been talking

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about it.
You've probably seen us posting

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it on social media, but we are
doing something called Dining

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with Dinosaurs this year.
It is our second year.

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Last year was really just a test
run and it went pretty well and

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was was a very good sort of
first effort.

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But this year's nuts this year
is absolutely crazy what we're

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putting together for you.
And the one thing I'm noticing

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is I keep getting the numbers
from LDI and although all of

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you, all of the friends and
folks I know in the industry are

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telling me they're going to this
event.

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So I'm thinking it's just going
to be, you know, full of people.

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LDI are telling me that ticket
sales are still like somewhere

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around 100 tickets or something.
By the way, this is the only

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sort of single ticket that you
can get at LDI.

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Everything else is part of a
package, part of, you know, a

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certain type of badge or
whatever.

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But this is Dining with
Dinosaurs is a single ticket.

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It's a single event.
It's a very special event that's

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going to include like a happy
hour where you get some drinks

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and you can buy more drinks.
I think we're giving away 3

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along with the ticket.
You get some food and you most

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importantly get to hang out with
some incredible people, watch

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them on a panel for a little bit
and then do sort of a round

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table thing where they'll just
tell stories, answer questions,

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talk to people at the table,
just really close up

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conversation and networking with
some really incredible people in

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our industry.
And so I'm just going to kind of

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read down sort of a partial
list.

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I don't even think this is the
complete list yet, but Scott

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DeVos, who is actually along
with my lovely producer Sarah,

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he is sort of the Co founder of
this whole Dining with dinosaurs

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thing.
He actually launched the

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original sort of seedling of an
idea, and like I usually do, I

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grabbed it and ran.
John Wiseman, I don't think

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needs much of an introduction.
If you don't know him, you

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really should know him.
And again, to be able to be

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there and gain access to this
person, these people, is just an

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incredible opportunity.
And I want to make sure that

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that doesn't go unnoticed here
at all.

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Roy Bickel is widely known as
sort of one of the godfathers of

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rock'n'roll rigging as we know
it today.

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Incredible storyteller.
He's been on the podcast.

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If you haven't heard it, maybe
go listen to that one as well.

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But again, to sit with people
like this and, and be able to

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hear their stories in person
right from their own mouth is

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just an incredible opportunity,
especially if you're a young

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person in the industry.
But even if you're, you know,

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crusty and old like me, hearing
these stories is, is incredible.

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Seth Jackson.
Seth again, has been on the

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podcast a couple times.
Seth was part of the Dining with

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Dinosaurs event last year.
He doesn't look like a dinosaur.

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He doesn't really talk like a
dinosaur.

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I don't know how we even allow
him to be included as a

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dinosaur, but he's an amazing
guy and an incredible and very

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talented designer as well.
Jake Berry, again, another one

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of those doesn't really need an
introduction.

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The production manager, you
know, extraordinaire Jake this

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year was involved in the big
Ozzie send off and we'll

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obviously have some incredible
stories to talk literally about

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Ozzie's final days on Earth and
what that show was like.

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There were a lot of really great
stories that came out of that

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show and just how complicated it
was.

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And it really took a guy like
Jake to put that together.

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But also Jake was the very first
act in the sphere in Las Vegas

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with U2 and so many other
accolades.

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He's he's just an incredible man
and and great storyteller and

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has some incredible stories.
Speaking of stories, if you are

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on Facebook on a Thursday, at
any given moment, you probably

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know Mr. Bob Harmon, one of the
you know, especially in written

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storytelling, one of the best
there is.

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He, he just, he does these posts
about, you know, 2 miles long on

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Facebook that are just
incredible stories with

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incredible detail.
He's just one of the nicest

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guys.
You probably see him walking

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around LDI every year dragging A
suitcase full of bags of coffee.

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If you happen to be friendly
with him and you know him and he

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knows you, he'll probably hand
you one of those bags of coffee.

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So we're really happy to have
Bob there.

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Peter Morse, again, no
introduction needed.

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Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson,
I think, Bette Midler, Madonna,

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so many acts, I don't even know
them all.

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Tons and tons and tons of
incredible tours and shows.

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And again, one of the nicest
guys in the business has a

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billion stories.
Happy to share them.

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We're happy to have them there,
of course.

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Dave Shadon, who recently sold
Sound Image to Claire, one of

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the inventors of Rock'n'roll
audio systems, you know, big

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concert audio systems, and an
extremely knowledgeable guy, a

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local Vegas guy.
He was supposed to be with us

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last year and fell ill and
wasn't able to.

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So we're really happy to have
Dave coming this year.

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Bob Gordon.
You'll remember him from ACT

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Lighting, you know, you know
Bob, I'm sure you know Bob.

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He's the king of the consoles
too, by the way.

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He not only was responsible for
the MA lighting console coming

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to the United States and
becoming successful, but prior

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to that, let me think, what was
the other really super

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successful console in concert
lighting in the United States?

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I'm talking moving like console,
not the old AVO days, but moving

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like consoles, of course, the
hog.

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And so Bob was also responsible
for the hog.

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He didn't invent it.
He didn't create it.

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He didn't own it, but he
certainly made it popular with,

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with ACT.
And so Bob's a great guy and and

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a fixture in our industry for so
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He's mostly retired now, still
doing some stuff, but you know,

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just a really good guy, good guy
to know and some incredible

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touring stories and stuff.
How it was done.

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Mark Fetto.
Mark was a very early verilite

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guy.
He spends his days at OSA now.

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Superb guy, knows how it was
always done.

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Happy to share that information.
And, yeah, so, you know, just an

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incredible list.
Alan Branton.

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Alan Branton is there this year.
Alan Branton, if you don't know

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him, you're not a lighting
person, I guess because Alan

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Branton really is, is, you know,
one of the most coveted, one of

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the most pursued lighting
designers in the business,

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especially when it comes to
televised musical events, you

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know, whether it's an awards
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shows.
He toured with with David Bowie

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for a long time.
Just, you know, again, a very,

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very gracious guy with his time.
He loves sharing information

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with younger designers and
telling stories.

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I had him on the podcast
recently.

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I enjoyed it a lot and we're
super happy that he's going to

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be here.
John Procaccini and who else?

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Michael Abbott again, talk about
founders of rock'n'roll rigging.

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What's one name that comes to
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Probably Branham.
Joe Branham.

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Guess who's here?
Joe Branham.

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So when you think of account
executives in the lighting

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business, certainly John Wiseman
comes to mind.

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But there's another one that I
think a lot of people think

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about, and he's been around
certainly as long as John

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Wiseman has.
He's done a huge amount of

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stuff.
He was responsible for the

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original square.
Parkhand, anyone?

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Anyone.
Yes, of course, Robert Roth,

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Marshall Bisset, one of the
founders of TMB and a long time

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part of TMB and now retired and
a great fly fisherman.

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And finally, today's guest,
Nancy May, who sadly it seems is

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becoming the only woman this
year at Dining with Dinosaurs.

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And that's sad because I know we
had three or four women

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confirmed and we're now down to
1.

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So hopefully we have at least
one other one coming on board

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because we do want to have some
women involved, even though it's

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tough to invite a woman and say,
guess what, we want you to be a

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dinosaur on Dining With
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But everyone I think takes it
with the fun and just that that

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it's meant to be.
We're certainly not calling

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people dinosaurs to be mean or
rude or anything like that.

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It's just a fun name and a fun
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So we're really looking forward
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I think it's going to be one of
the big networking events of the

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year.
And if you're in the industry,

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you should be there.
So today's guest is Nancy May, a

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veteran production executive
with more than 30 years of

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experience running major live
events, broadcast productions,

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and some of the most iconic
venues in the country.

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Her career includes leadership
roles at Red Rocks Amphitheatre,

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the Denver Performing Arts
Complex, and Dick Clark

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Productions, as well as key
positions on large scale

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international events like the
Lake Placid 2023, FISU World

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University Games, the Aspen X
Games, and the upcoming FIFA

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Club World Cup.
Nancy is known for her

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exceptional skills in event
logistics, safety, oversight,

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venue operations, and managing
complex productions from concept

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through execution.
She's a problem solver, a steady

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leader under pressure, and
someone who has helped bring

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thousands of events to life.
So please join me and welcome

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Nancy.
May.

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Nancy, how are you?
I'm good.

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How are you?
It's so good to see you.

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Great to be seen, great to see
you.

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You know, I was thinking this
morning and I think I'm correct

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in saying that I haven't seen
you on a screen or otherwise

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since like the whole COVID
thing, our weekly Zoom calls

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that you were on quite
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That was so wonderful.
I was still working full time

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for the city of Denver and we
were building homeless shelters

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and things like that during that
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But you know, I remember I
stayed on one of those calls a

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little long and we started
talking about what they were

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doing with we make events in in
England and decided to do it

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here and.
Off we go.

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Yeah, off we go from a crazy
little idea and you know, 1

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lunatic man's ego to beat what
the UK people did.

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You know, all of a sudden we're
lighting like 3500 different

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facilities and buildings and
bridges and whatever.

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So yeah, that was fun.
And you were a part of that.

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It was very.
Cool.

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Thank you.
And, you know, I've, I've, I

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love listening into things
because I've learned so much.

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Everybody in the business has
taught me so much.

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And that's, that's what I love
is learning, listening to people

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lurking, lurking on.
Yeah, well.

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This is a lurking podcast.
It should be called like, you

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know, lurkers of live or
something.

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Live lurkers.
But no, I mean, it's what I love

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about our industry.
I love like I never have been a

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touring person.
I don't know if you knew that.

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Most people don't know that.
They just assume that everybody

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who does this kind of stuff was
a touring person.

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You know, I came into the
industry knowing nothing.

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I came in as a lighting sales
guy and I barely knew anything

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about lighting.
I was a, a bass player and a

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singer and, and, you know, just
through being in the lighting

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business as a sales guy, I met a
lot of people, got involved with

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a lot of people.
And I worked for for Martin, an

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automated lighting manufacturer.
So we expect a lot of lights

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with lighting designers.
And I got to know those lighting

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designers and then through them
I got to know some production

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managers and managers and some
venue people.

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And, you know, it just sort of
blew up into this really cool

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network of really amazing
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So often times when I'm on with
someone, like I had Doc McGee on

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this podcast, I've had, you
know, Jake Berry a couple times,

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I've had loads of of sort of
legends of the industry and I'm

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just as big a fan as the people
listening to the podcast 'cause

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I'm hearing these stories going,
wow, that's incredible.

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You know, and I pinch myself
that I get to sit here and do

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this all the time.
So it's pretty cool.

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But yeah, I was never a touring
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So, you know, for me, like all
of these stories are so wildly

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interesting, you know, I find it
a lot of fun.

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Me too.
I mean, I never really toured

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either.
I did shows in a lot of

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different places, but never,
never really toured, never

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really toured.
So and I, I love hearing the

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stories.
That's where I've learned

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everything is from the stories.
And I bug people about tell me,

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tell me, you know how you got
into this and tell me, you know,

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your, you know, what was the,
what was your worst time?

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What was your best time, your
biggest achievement, you know,

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whether anybody saw it or not.
And I love hearing those stories

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from people.
Generally nosey is what it comes

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down to, so.
Well, I guess you could call me

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sort of the ultimate nosey
because I get to do that every

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week with different people on
this podcast.

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So, but you know, it really is
it, it's fun and interesting to

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discover those things.
And especially like I get to

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have some really young people on
here, sometimes young women,

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sometimes young men.
And then I get to have people my

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age and, and much older than me
on here at times.

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And just hearing the contrast
and the differences of how

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people got into the industry.
Like, you know, I love the trend

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and pattern where generally
anyone who's over maybe 60 fell

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into the business completely by
accident 'cause they were

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sitting in a Denny's having a an
omelette and the guy sitting

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next to him goes, hey, I need
some help on a show this

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afternoon.
Can you come give me a hand?

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And you're like, what, What do
you mean?

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What, what show?
What kind of show?

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Oh well, come on, come with me.
I'll pay you 20 bucks, you know,

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or whatever.
And next thing you know, they're

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A50 year long touring person or
rock'n'roll person or whatever.

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And nowadays it's much more
programmed.

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It's much more, you know,
they're going to school or

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they're taking some kind of
training for it, or they're

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going through the theater system
or you know, it's, it's much

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more formal now, it seems.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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There's a lot of programs which
are great to hopefully put, put

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more people out there because
our, our, you know, our, our

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base is getting a little older
and we need to be bringing in

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fresh people.
Definitely so true.

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Yeah, so true.
And every major company out

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there, whether it's PRG or Solo
Tech or Upstaging or Bandit or

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whoever, they're all creating
their own training programs for

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those reasons.
You know, because you know, the

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great people are getting older
and are aging out of the

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business or retiring or moving
on to do different things or

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deciding to stay home instead or
whatever.

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And it just leaves such a big
hole, not just from a labor

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standpoint, but from a knowledge
standpoint.

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You know, it's just less bring
up more.

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Creative people, too, agreed.
Yeah, agreed completely.

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So, you know, Speaking of which,
how did you get started?

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How did you find your way into
this wacky business, Especially

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a woman.
Well, I was supposed.

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To be a horse vet, I was going
to school at at CSU Colorado

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State.
To be a horse vet.

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And somebody asked me to come
help with a concert.

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And there you go.
I started doing concerts and,

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you know, in the middle of a
colic surgery, in the middle of

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the night, I kind of went, you
know, that concert thing kind of

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sounds better than being in the
middle of a horse in the middle

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of the night.
So I started doing shows in

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school.
And then my father met John

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Ruby, who was the vice president
of Phaline here in Denver, the

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big concert promoter on a plane.
My dad was a child psychiatrist,

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Deadhead, and John said, hey,
come in and I'll meet her, you

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know?
And I came in and met him, and

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they hired me to do security,
which they would have probably

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if I'd just walked in the door
anyway.

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But John was my mentor for years
and years.

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Yeah.
And so.

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You were.
You said you were in college.

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Yeah, I was.
Like 21 I think something like

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that.
So 21.

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Year old young lady.
Yeah.

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And the obvious job for you was
security.

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Well.
That's the only, I just walked

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in and they were hiring security
people and I was like, well,

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what the hell, I'll go do that.
So I, I started as a, as a

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bouncer.
We weren't, you know, we weren't

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event staff.
Well, we were called event

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staff, but we were really
security, we were really

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bouncers at the time.
So, yeah, so I went in and, and

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they needed, I started working
shows and I went, well, this is

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kind of fun and I was learning a
lot.

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You know, being a security
person, I would ask everybody

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about everything here, tell me
about the tickets and the ticket

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taking.
And if I was standing with a

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stage hand, I'd ask him about
this and that.

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And again, my nosiness, you
know, it has paid off.

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But from there I found they
needed somebody to schedule.

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So I started scheduling
everybody.

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So I I went from that to writing
the first security manual for

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Red Rocks.
And it was funny, I went back

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about 20 years later and found
the security manual and it was

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still the same 1 I had written.
And the way I knew it was the

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same as it still had my typos in
it.

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Oh my goodness, it hadn't.
Even been updated?

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Yeah, it never.
Even been up, even retyped.

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They just literally just must
have been.

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Really good, You know, it never
needed to evolve apparently.

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So, so am I.
I don't know what they've done

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since then, but I hope they've
evolved.

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So from that I learned, you
know, I, I kind of, I kind of

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saw a lot of the business and
got my big break to be a runner

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at Red Rocks, which was, which
was great.

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And it wasn't just Red Rocks, it
was for face.

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So we did everything from the
stadium shows and you know, I

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still haven't.
I worked as as putting up

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staging at one point and have a
big gash on my leg, a big scar

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from dropping an eye beam or
something at one point.

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And.
So, you know, I did every job.

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I like to say that I made a
career out of doing every job

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nobody else wanted to do.
You know, I would did ticketing.

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I did anything anybody wanted,
you know, needed to be done.

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So I did.
I ended up doing things like

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insurance declarations and, you
know, risk management and things

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like that later in my career,
but always.

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Local you never you never
travelled and did touring or

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for.
Denver, yeah, It was pretty much

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local to Denver, although I did
pretty much all the venues in

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Denver, obviously the stadiums
and the old Mcnichols Arena,

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which I ended up as the
assistant manager of about seven

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years after that, after I
started, strangely enough.

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But you know, we did had the
real Rainbow Music Hall, which

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was a 1200 seat theater.
Actually, it wasn't even a

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theater.
It was a it was 3 little movie

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theaters that they took the
walls down here in Denver and

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they used to do some amazing
shows there.

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They did U2 on their first
American tour there.

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And so I think I was, I think I
was security on that one.

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And two years later when we
shot.

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Under a blood red sky at Red
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I was the runner for that.
So Bono and I were out that

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morning.
He said, can we please get some

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tea for the people sitting out
in, in the in the amphitheater?

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I was like sure, because we used
to open the amphitheater at

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10:00 in the morning on weekends
and noon on weekdays.

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So we were out there serving tea
and you know, we never, we

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never, nobody ever expected it
to be turned out to be what it

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was.
But I remember driving away that

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night thinking, wow, this was
really something, you know, I

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looked back at my in my rearview
mirror and saw red rocks and all

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the mist and stormy around it.
And it was just beautiful.

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It's a it's a beautiful place no
matter when you go.

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But it was especially that night
we kind of went, wow, this was

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this was cool.
This was definitely cool.

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When did red?
Rocks open.

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Well, Red Rocks was built in the
30s.

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It was kind of a natural
Amphitheatre anyway, but it was

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built in started about 35 as a
project for the Civilian

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Conservation Corps.
It was meant as a work program

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to put people back to work after
the war.

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So it was built and it was
designed by Burnham Hoyt, who

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designed a lot of the parks in
the in the country.

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And it's very much still the
same as it was.

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He did the seats exactly the way
they were in the side boxes

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where the trees are.
And it's amazing when you go up

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there and you see the original
drawings we have backstage up

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there that he had done.
And so it was, it was then and

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before that, actually opera
singers had gone up there and

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played because the acoustics
were so good and they just kind

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of sat on the rocks.
But most of what's there now,

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yeah, most of what's there now
is, is that original design, the

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the way the stage backs up to
the stage rock and the layers

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down below.
For instance, when I was there,

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we used to have boards in front
of the rocks in the dressing

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rooms, in the catering room.
And I told my boss, I said,

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let's take, let's take those
boards out.

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You know, there's I think the
rocks are behind there.

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And he's like, but then people
would see the rocks.

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And I said, well, that's kind of
the point.

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So now when you go to after I
left, I gave him a plan for what

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I thought it should look like.
And then I left to go take

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another job.
And I came back and he done it

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exactly as I'd drawn it, but he
took the boards out so the the

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walls of the of the dressing
rooms in the catering room and

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Red Rocks production.
Officer now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was, it was neat.

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It was really neat to come back
and, you know, and, and be happy

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that that's, that they did what
I'd ask.

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And, you know, we finally had
the rocks as the walls of the

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dressing room.
So yeah.

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Yeah, so go on.
Sorry I broke into your story

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there.
You know so when?

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I when I started, you know,
there were a lot of women doing

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security.
As I said, we were bouncers.

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In fact, one year it was, it
was, it was really rough then.

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I mean, we were really, we were
definitely bouncers.

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I mean, one year we bought red
T-shirts for the crew so the

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blood wouldn't show because it
had gotten so ridiculous.

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So I mean, at that .1 of my
bosses kind of went, you know,

455
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:59,560
we need to change, change this
up and make this better.

456
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,360
And so we got it to be much more
civilized than it had been

457
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,880
before that.
So, But you know, they didn't,

458
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,120
they gave all the.
Ladies guns.

459
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,960
Exactly.
No, that's that would not be a

460
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,960
good idea.
And some of the guys bad enough,

461
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,760
but you know, they didn't have
women in front of the stage and

462
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,640
they didn't have women doing
overnights.

463
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,680
And I started end up doing that
partially because at the time,

464
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,240
like nobody else wanted to do
the overnights.

465
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320
I'm like, sure, I'll go do the
overnights and like, but, but

466
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,840
you're going to be up here by
yourself.

467
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,280
And I was like, so, you know, so
I sort of broke, broke that

468
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,360
barrier a little bit.
And then obviously more and more

469
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,960
women do it and all, all these
just people do it now.

470
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,640
And and in front of the stage
used to be, you know, pretty

471
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,760
intimidating apparently, or was
they wanted people to be

472
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,640
intimidating and I'd apparently
intimidating so that that's

473
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,760
where that came from.
And then I just kept moving up

474
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,520
the ranks, you know, so I would
do everything.

475
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,440
I'd go sell tickets, you know,
so I learned how it was a we did

476
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,240
to do hard tickets.
But when I started and you know,

477
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720
we count the Deadwood and I'm
sure nobody in the business now

478
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,240
knows what Deadwood is, but
that's the tickets you didn't

479
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,360
sell.
You had to go through and count

480
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,440
them and my accountant friend
from those days has got the

481
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,480
great stories about that.
And anyway, but so you'd count

482
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,760
the Deadwood and then we went to
a select a seat system, which

483
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,000
was the first computerized
ticketing system.

484
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,120
But I remember the days when we
put up Bruce Springsteen to

485
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,040
Bruce Springsteen shows on sale
at Mile High Stadium.

486
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,360
And we were bringing in so much
cash that we weren't really, I

487
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,400
mean, we were counting when we
took it in, but we had boxes

488
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,400
beneath the, beneath the ticket
windows and we just shoved the

489
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,120
cash into the boxes because
there was so much coming in

490
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,400
because we sold out to, you
know, stadiums of Springsteen

491
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,640
in, in, you know, about 10
hours.

492
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,560
So and we just, you know, it was
just so much cash available and

493
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,280
so much cash available now.
You'd do it in 6 minutes because

494
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,640
of all the thousands of bots
that are buying the tickets, you

495
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,200
know, for the for the secondary
sellers.

496
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,560
Yeah, but.
But I tell people, young people,

497
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,240
it's like one of the things you
need to do is you need to go

498
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,640
work in a box office because
that is a lot of, you know,

499
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,720
that's kind of the, the bottom
line of what we do.

500
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,760
You've got to sell those
tickets.

501
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,520
And there's things like ticket
holds and pricing and things

502
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,960
like that.
But especially for production

503
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,080
ticket holds, knowing that, you
know, I learned pretty quickly,

504
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,080
you know, before I put anything
on sale, I was like, Are you

505
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,520
sure you're not going to shoot
this to you?

506
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,800
Because if you, if you're going
to shoot this for, for film or

507
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,240
whatever, you need to hold, you
know, here's some specific

508
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,920
places you need to hold
ticketing, you need to hold

509
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,520
seats for and things like that.
So I really think it's important

510
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,720
for people to work in a box
office, at least know how box

511
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,360
office works and, and learn
every bit of every bit of

512
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,880
everything.
You know, the stage hands taught

513
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,920
me about power.
And in those days it was, you

514
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,400
know, you want a cold water, you
want a cold water pipe to hook

515
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,200
your, to hook your ground to if
you don't have a real ground.

516
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,800
So because at that time,
buildings didn't have those

517
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,600
necessarily.
So that's, you know, it was from

518
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,880
the stage hands and, and the
road crews that I learned all

519
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,840
that stuff.
And Patrick Stansfield taught me

520
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,720
so much.
He taught me about how to make

521
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,280
sure that, you know, your floor
was cleared right after the show

522
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720
so you could get your PA down.
So that would keep your, you

523
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,920
know, your, your loadout moving
and things like that.

524
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,360
So I was just a sponge for
everybody that everybody,

525
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
anything, everybody said I
wanted to hear it.

526
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,680
So the guys that are coming to
Dining with Dinosaurs are the

527
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,720
people that like invented this
industry.

528
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,400
And it's just amazing to me.
I I'm thrilled to be there, but

529
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,400
I really want to hear their
stories because over the years

530
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,120
they have taught me everyone
does.

531
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,680
You know, all of all of these
folks who have volunteered their

532
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,880
time and effort and everything
to become dinosaurs are all

533
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,640
really interested in being
around the other people that are

534
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960
there.
Because it's honestly, it's an

535
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,120
incredible list that we have
this year.

536
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,520
And most of them called us and
said, Hey, I want to be in this

537
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,080
thing, you know, And so I mean,
it's, it's really cool.

538
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,440
It's such a cool event and I'm
glad you're going to be a part

539
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440
of it because I'm sure there's
going to be a lot of people

540
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,920
there who are going to be like,
Nancy, remember that time, you

541
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,680
know, because, you know,
everyone's been to Red Rocks,

542
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
obviously at some point.
Yeah.

543
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,800
Well, I I.
Got to see Alan Branton last

544
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,800
year and I'd worked with Alan a
little bit before, but I

545
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,000
produced the 2 John Tesh
specials at Red Rocks, if

546
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,040
anybody remembers him.
And for the second, when we were

547
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,600
on Catalina Island and we had to
bring the biggest television

548
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,040
truck at that time in the world,
the most expensive television

549
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,880
truck in the world over to
Catalina Island on a barge.

550
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920
And we had to make sure the
tides were right to get it on

551
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,520
and off and all this.
And I said to, to Alan, the

552
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,920
first time I saw him, I said,
have you ever forgiven me for

553
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,920
him?
John Tesh at Catalina, because

554
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,880
we had to getting, getting
workers there and getting

555
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,840
everything done there.
It was, it was a, it was a tough

556
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,040
place.
But to me, those are the our

557
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,160
greatest achievements.
Or, you know, anybody can do it

558
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,360
when it's, when it's in a easy
amphitheater, It's some place

559
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,560
that's made for it.
But when you do it, some place

560
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,120
it's not made for and or you do
something crazy, stupid with a

561
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,480
ton of acts and changeovers and
stuff like that.

562
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,400
That's to me when the fun
begins.

563
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,320
And that's when you get the, the
really interesting you, you

564
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920
learn, you learn how to do that
from people you know, And

565
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,720
that's, that's what I love about
it.

566
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000
So I don't think I ever got
through my my history.

567
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,520
But anyway, I kept moving up in
feline and did some like buying

568
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,560
meteor for them.
You know, you buy in Wyoming at

569
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240
that time, radio spots and you
buy one and you get 10 free

570
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,520
because they want the show up
there.

571
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,120
And so I ended up interviewing
for the city of Denver for the

572
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,240
assistant manager job for
Mcnichols and Red Rocks.

573
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,960
And I got it, which was kind of
amazing to me.

574
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,920
And I think the reason they
hired me was because they knew I

575
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760
was always the first person and
then the last person out with

576
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,680
every single show.
You know, every single show I

577
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,080
was there that that the concert
promoted at every show.

578
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,880
So I went in and was.
That just who you were because

579
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,640
because.
I was the runner, you know, and

580
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,600
I was the first person in to
make sure everybody got what

581
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,480
they needed.
And now the caterer is going

582
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,880
earlier than the runners.
But you know, I was just always

583
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,520
the person.
If somebody turns so they needed

584
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,240
something, I would, if I didn't
know what it was, I would go

585
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,600
find out, you know, I would
just, I was just there and, and

586
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,920
I loved it.
It wasn't like I was trying to

587
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,120
impress anybody.
It's just what I felt my job was

588
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,320
and I just wanted to get
everything done for everybody.

589
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,760
And so, you know, I learned a
lot there.

590
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,480
My first job there was the US,
US Figure Skating Championships

591
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,080
and that was fun.
I met a guy named Fame Morris

592
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,840
who is the, IT turns out he is
the the godfather of Pyro in the

593
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,320
movies.
And, you know, we've got all

594
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080
these ladies from the Junior
League there.

595
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,280
And I meet Thane and he's this
little guy with the handlebar

596
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
mustache and the leather
motorcycle jacket on.

597
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,760
And he's the guy was like,
that's the guy I'm going to hang

598
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,080
out with.
And that's been a lifelong

599
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,520
friendship that he's he, you
know, he got an Oscar for, for

600
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,840
inventing pyro for movies,
basically.

601
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,120
So, you know, and I just love
talking to him.

602
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,680
He's got the most amazing
stories.

603
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,600
So he's still, yeah, he's still
in LA doing that.

604
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240
And was Billy?
Brennan there at that time, was

605
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,920
he lighting that or not?
Billy Brennan.

606
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,200
I think Bill Brennan did the US
figure skating forever, if I

607
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,160
were correctly.
Yeah, that's.

608
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,840
Yeah, that wouldn't be, that
would surprise me.

609
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,360
I didn't know anybody.
I was, I had, I didn't know much

610
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,200
of anything when I, when I
stepped into that one.

611
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600
And Thane taught me a lot.
And then the stagehands taught

612
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,840
me about here's how we make ice.
And the engineers taught me

613
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,960
about, you know, the glycol
system and the, and the ice

614
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,640
floor and that you don't want to
release it into the sewers

615
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,440
because they did that once and
that was very bad.

616
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
I just sound like an.
Incredibly curious person you

617
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,760
know, like you're learning
things that are not going to

618
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,240
further your career.
They're not necessarily going to

619
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,360
change the outcome of anything,
but you're just super curious.

620
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Like I need to know well, I.
AM and it and it's actually

621
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,920
gotten me into some funny
places.

622
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
You know, I learned from the
fire department, you know about

623
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,560
about a lot of things.
And one of the things I learned

624
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,360
actually as a venue manager and
one of the venue manager calls

625
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,880
was they, we had a guy who was
on and he said, he's like, I got

626
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,120
to go for a minute.
Somebody hit our gas line with

627
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,320
a, with a semi truck and burst
it.

628
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400
So he's, he's about to have a
building full of people and he's

629
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400
got a burst gas line.
So what we learned from that was

630
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,200
we all went out and figured out
where the, where the shut off

631
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,440
was for our gas line because he,
he said we had Ballers around

632
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280
it, but somebody managed to get
in there and, and busted.

633
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,400
And, you know, nobody knew where
to turn the gas off for the

634
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,680
building.
So it seems like everything I've

635
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,040
ended up learning, I've ended up
using.

636
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,880
I, when I did the Popes visit in
93 here to Denver, which was

637
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200
just a funny thing for me to end
up doing, but it turned out I

638
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,040
sort of just made stuff up and
we did it all.

639
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,240
For instance, I, I knew that we
needed to have, we had teams of

640
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,360
priests.
We didn't know what to do with

641
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,840
them.
So we send them out as housing

642
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,400
assessment people to the, the
churches and the parking garages

643
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,880
and the old department stores
to, to find out the, the square

644
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,440
footage and the ingress and
egress and then and the number

645
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,720
of restrooms and things like
that.

646
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,440
And I knew that if we presented
that all stuff what you sent.

647
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,760
Priests out to do that stuff.
That's what we had for Labor.

648
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,520
We.
Have these priests.

649
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,760
I was like, what am I going to?
Do with them.

650
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
So that is so funny, I know.
So I got them together and I

651
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,400
made this little form and I
said, here's what you're going

652
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,000
to record when you go to these
places.

653
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
And I, I basically got up to the
City Council and said just, I

654
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,360
just made this up.
I was like, so we're going to

655
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,440
send these priests out and
they're going to go and they're

656
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,480
going to do all this information
on ingress and egress.

657
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,800
And then the fire department and
the building department are

658
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,080
going to issue us temporary
occupancy permits.

659
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,320
And that's what we did.
And.

660
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,040
Nobody went OK, Nancy.
Nobody sought me.

661
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Yeah, like nowadays it would hit
the legal department or

662
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
something and they'd be like,
OK, but what about insurance?

663
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,680
What about liability?
What about this?

664
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,400
What about that?
Well, we had.

665
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
A little bit of what happened,
we had a little bit of that,

666
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,520
like they wanted to put, they
wanted to put minors in private

667
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,480
homes.
And I asked my dad about him.

668
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,640
My dad's a child psychiatrist.
He started the Mental Health

669
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Center of Colorado and he said
no, no, no, you can't ever put

670
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,280
minors in private homes.
So we didn't do that.

671
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,640
So we did some other dumb stuff,
but but it was, but it was wild.

672
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,440
It ended up being 180,000
registered people and then we

673
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,480
did a mass for 400,000, which I
had laid out at the beginning

674
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,760
and then somebody else took it
over.

675
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,160
But it was, it was a crazy
experience.

676
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Was that 19?
93 you said 93.

677
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,680
Yeah, I was hired in 92 a year
before.

678
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,040
And so we literally made-up, you
know, here's how we're going to

679
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,600
the registration and I just made
it up.

680
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,200
I said, OK, here's the
registration form.

681
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,720
And they were like, how are we
going to file?

682
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
And I dragged in these old file
cabinet said we're going to

683
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,480
start with A for Alaska and you
know, B and blah, blah blah for

684
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,240
the States and for the other
countries.

685
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,160
And, and it's, that's what we
did.

686
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,400
You know, we pulled in like 7
hospitals to work on the mass at

687
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,120
the, it was at the Cherry Creek
State Park, which we tried to

688
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,920
talk the church out of doing
because it was really way too,

689
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,160
it was no development in that
build in that area at all.

690
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,160
It was not a good, it was not a
smart thing.

691
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480
What about security?
Though like I guess it wasn't as

692
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,679
big a deal then as it is now
where people are just looking to

693
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,520
become famous by killing the
Pope.

694
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,639
Well, you know, that was a big
weak fear.

695
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,000
And there's, it's funny, when I
first started the job, somebody

696
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,639
gave me this book called The Sum
of All Fears, and it's about saw

697
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,159
the movie.
Yeah, well.

698
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,199
And the book is kind of like the
movie, but the book is about

699
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,360
Mile High Stadium, a bomb and
the Pope, right?

700
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,440
And so I started.
Jesus.

701
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,080
That's just what you want to
read right before that, exactly.

702
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Exactly.
So I, so I put it down and after

703
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,520
the, the whole thing was over, I
read it and it turned out with

704
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,560
security that we had this guy
that came in that was supposed

705
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,719
to have been from a White House
from supposed to be a

706
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,480
presidential advance man.
And Tim Brockman and I, Tim

707
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,360
Brockman's now he's been ACDC
security guy for a long time.

708
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,120
If any of you all know Tim
Brockman, he's just amazing.

709
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,760
And he and I walked through the,
some of the spaces that we were

710
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,000
going to do the Pope's visit in.
And it was really apparent to

711
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,080
both of us that this guy knew
nothing about how to secure a

712
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,960
venue or secure anything.
And we thought, this is really

713
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,680
weird.
Well, at the end it turned out

714
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,440
that he was a fake and he had
manufactured his, his whole

715
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,200
background.
So like we called it a

716
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,080
Washington number.
They called a Washington number

717
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360
to check his credentials and
check his references.

718
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,960
And he'd set up somebody to say
they were with the White House

719
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,400
number in, in Washington, DC.
And at, in the book, the, the

720
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,920
director of security has
something happened?

721
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,040
He always sent a paternity suit
and he shoots himself, right.

722
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Well, this guy two weeks before
the Pope's visit, is handed a

723
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,320
paternity suit and says he has
cancer and leaves.

724
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,200
So it was the book was
unfortunately a little scary.

725
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,200
It was pretty much, it was a
little too much like, but we

726
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,560
went through.
So that was that was that was an

727
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,000
experience and that was very
scary.

728
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,600
We only had three people die.
They told us we'd have 10 people

729
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,160
die just based on the
demographics.

730
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,920
And that was very sad.
There were people that had

731
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,880
health issues, for instance,
when they came in and they came

732
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,440
to altitude.
And, you know, Colorado's Denver

733
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,800
area is very high.
So people people were having a

734
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,240
hard time with it.
And we had a lot of run

735
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,480
insurance with the church people
about how we were going to keep

736
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,040
people safe.
And they because they were like,

737
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,360
oh, God will provide.
And we went, well, yeah, God's

738
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,480
going to give us the things we
need.

739
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,720
If you will let us have you know
the medical staff we need, OK,

740
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,880
That would be God providing for
this because we need these

741
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,000
people to make sure these
people.

742
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,360
Yeah, so it was.
A It was a wild experience.

743
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,040
I didn't, you know, it's not
something I ever expected myself

744
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,600
to do.
It's it's funny that all those

745
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,360
little things that I learned
though, from the stagehands and

746
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,040
like these touring guys, you
know, and some of these guys on

747
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,400
the stage, I used that stuff.
I use that stuff to, to do these

748
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,560
kind of jobs, you know, so
that's, that's the fun part for

749
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,800
me.
And the stuff that people will

750
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,480
never see, you know, they're are
my biggest accomplishments.

751
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,520
The shows that nobody ever saw
that we put on.

752
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,840
It went really well, you know,
that or whatever.

753
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,920
But people don't see those
things.

754
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,000
And the people I've worked with
that I've been able to help, you

755
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,680
know, I mean, those are my
biggest accomplishments.

756
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,320
You know, what woman that worked
for me at Dick Clark Productions

757
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,280
and she, she was terrible.
She was the worst runner ever.

758
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,360
She just didn't get it, you
know, and I was like, I'm going

759
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,800
to have to fire her.
What am I going to do?

760
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,680
And she finally, finally, one
day the light bulb just went on.

761
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
And now she's a post production
supervisor for, you know, series

762
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,040
in, in LA.
She's very happy, you know, but

763
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,440
I really hang out with her, you
know, but she was, she was my

764
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
like my greatest accomplishment
because she was just, she was,

765
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040
she was so bad at first.
So that's hilarious.

766
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Yeah, she was a project child.
She was.

767
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,880
She was, and that's, you know, I
mean, I still get people.

768
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,520
A friend of mine's a talent
executive.

769
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,200
You see her on all the award
shows still.

770
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,360
And she was somebody where she
came to me as a runner from

771
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,280
school, from college, you know,
and I was like, you're going to

772
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,360
work in the talent department.
And she's now, you know, a

773
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,680
talent executive and thanks me
every time I see her, which is

774
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,000
really nice.
I mean, I had very little to do

775
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,440
with it.
It's just, I mean, I love

776
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,320
helping people.
I always say to people, what do

777
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,720
you want to do?
What's your dream job?

778
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,600
You know what, what do you want
to learn?

779
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,120
And, and when I was at Verilite
for a little while in Nashville,

780
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,080
this woman came in and said, I
want to learn light, learn

781
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,400
lighting.
And her name is Michelle.

782
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,280
And she goes by Pickles and
she's a lighting lighting

783
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,840
person.
When I was working, just working

784
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,760
the FIFA World Cup in Nashville,
she she looks at me, I'm giving

785
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,400
her a credential.
She's like Nancy May.

786
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
And I was like, yeah.
And it was Michelle.

787
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,400
And she has this fabulous
career, you know, and I just, Oh

788
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,520
my God, I'm just, it's like
that's the best thing in the

789
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
world to me is having a show
come off or, you know, having

790
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,600
everything go right.
I don't need, I don't need a lot

791
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,720
of, I don't want accolades.
I just want to see people

792
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,280
succeed, you know, I want to see
people and shows succeed and,

793
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,560
and do good, good work.
And that's the fun part for me.

794
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,720
And to learn and then, you know,
get to hang out with these

795
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,000
really amazing people.
And that's that's the best part.

796
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Well, you know.
There's worse gigs.

797
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,920
Like, I mean, I don't know that
people outside this industry

798
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,920
understand the intense pressure
that goes on in this industry.

799
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Like, you know, it just seems
like a party.

800
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,000
It seems like a circus.
It seems like a lot of fun all

801
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,280
the time.
All you ever do is, you know,

802
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,520
hang out with strippers and do
cocaine, you know, Well, no,

803
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,560
there's actually a whole bunch
of work that goes on that that

804
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,680
stuff doesn't happen so much
anymore.

805
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,440
But you know, it's such a
stressful thing.

806
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,400
Like the whole show must go, go
on thing is real, you know, like

807
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,720
you can't be late, you can't
miss a date.

808
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,720
You can't like nobody wants to
refund all those tickets out

809
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,480
there.
So how are we going to make this

810
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,760
work?
But.

811
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,000
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812
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,760
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813
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,760
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814
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,400
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815
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,760
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816
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,680
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817
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,320
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818
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819
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,680
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820
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,640
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821
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822
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823
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824
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826
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,760
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827
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,040
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828
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829
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,040
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831
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836
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,320
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837
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838
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,320
I started.
You know, when we were expected

839
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400
to be, everybody thought I must
be the, the, the drug, you know,

840
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,200
the drug dealer, if I was the
runner, which wasn't true.

841
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,680
And I never did those things.
And it was really because I

842
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,480
wanted to be seen as, as, you
know, the person that they could

843
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,160
trust.
I didn't want to get into that.

844
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,680
I mean, we would do the Grateful
Dead and there'd be cocaine all

845
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,400
over the mirrors and I'd have to
go clean the mirrors.

846
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,680
But you know, and there was a
ton of it around.

847
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,720
I just never did it because
probably 'cause I'm a wimp.

848
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,800
First of all, no, but that's.
Also, it explains your longevity

849
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,320
in the in your career and in the
industry and, you know, in jobs

850
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
working for the government, for
the city and stuff, you know,

851
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,280
like I was pretty.
Naive about it, but you know

852
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,560
what I I saw what it did to
people and also just the fact

853
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,920
that I didn't want to be reduced
by it.

854
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,440
I knew that I needed my wits
about me to do as much as I

855
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,120
could and do as much as I could
for people.

856
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,760
So, you know, and I, you know, I
saw a lot of people do it and I

857
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,040
saw a few people ruin their
lives.

858
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,400
And I saw mostly luckily I saw
our friends who got past it and

859
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,880
just moved on, which was great
that they figured it out that

860
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,920
this is just not AI.
Had one friend who said I

861
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,840
realized if I stopped doing blow
I could buy a house, you know,

862
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,720
or two.
Or two, Yeah.

863
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,080
So, you know, and I mean, it's,
I mean, that stuff's still out

864
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,400
there and it makes me sad when I
see people doing it, even

865
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,680
smoking pot and vaping.
It's like, you know, yeah, it's

866
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,160
legal.
It's just kind of like drinking.

867
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,880
But you know, what, what is it
really doing to you?

868
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,600
You know, is it reducing your,
you know, your capacity to do a

869
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,360
great job?
And then to and to me, it's like

870
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,920
if we if we get into this
business, you are in a place

871
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,040
where you get to do amazing
things and you get to meet

872
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,360
amazing people.
And, you know, yeah, it's hard

873
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,160
work.
I mean, after I was at Universal

874
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,240
Amphitheatre when I had six
weeks with one day off in six

875
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,240
weeks, you know, my saying was
sleep is for sissies, you know,

876
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,160
and, and we did in that, in that
in that six weeks, we did one

877
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,480
week and seven days where we did
The Who doing Tommy and Nick

878
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,240
double kept saying to me, you've
got to get this queen for this.

879
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,440
You know, we need this queen to
cover the the gear on.

880
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
It's laying outside.
And I said, it's August in LA,

881
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,680
Nick, it's not going to rain no
matter what.

882
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,600
It's not going to rain.
Well, I wet the Vis queen anyway

883
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,160
and of course it rained.
So, you know.

884
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,680
And then we did 2 Bee Gees shows
and I, Rob Cowan was the

885
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,880
production manager and I hardly
saw him at all.

886
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,360
And afterwards he sent me the
cutest note, which I still have,

887
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,920
that said, hey, this must have
gone really well because I

888
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,960
didn't see you at all.
We didn't see, hardly see each

889
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,800
other at all.
So.

890
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,760
And then we did the MTV Awards
at the same within seven days.

891
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,920
And I just didn't sleep.
I was doing, yeah, I was doing

892
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,560
the payroll, which was on a
computer in DOS for 150 people.

893
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,400
And they decided to paint my
office that paint my office that

894
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,280
week.
So I had to do it on the stage,

895
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,240
on my little stage management
desk on stage right.

896
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,360
Excuse me, stage left.
I'm always dyslexic.

897
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,920
And I put in all this payroll
for 150 people and I had to put

898
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,840
in their Social Security numbers
and all the times they worked

899
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,640
and in the LA local #7 they
don't stop with the time going

900
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,000
up.
So instead of just going

901
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,480
straight time, time and a half,
double time, double time and

902
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,120
1/2, it just kept going up.
So, and this was the time before

903
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,280
MTV had figured out that they
might want to stop at some point

904
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,480
and save some money.
But somebody came and unplugged

905
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,000
my computer because they needed
the outlet and I had saved it.

906
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,080
And I just.
I yeah, that was about it for

907
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,840
me.
Oh no.

908
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,080
It wasn't saved no it.
Wasn't saved and it was in DOS.

909
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,840
If anybody before Excel and Word
there was DOS which I.

910
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Remember it well, Yes, little
green.

911
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Dots and it was, it was
horrendous.

912
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,840
So it's somewhere, someone's.
Listening to this right now

913
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,520
going what it was I know they
have.

914
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,600
No idea what I'm talking about
and then anybody who knew dos

915
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,440
that will feel my pain, but you
know, but I but I learned of

916
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,720
course now I learned to learn to
save, but I I've just been so

917
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,240
lucky to to have so many
adventures.

918
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,520
And so from Denver, you know, at
the at being the assistant

919
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,840
manager Rick Nichols and Red
Rocks.

920
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,400
I went to Universal Amphitheatre
and that was a kind of a tough

921
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,480
trade, but it was a good move
for me because I needed I was

922
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,000
just, I was already at the point
where I was like, OK, we need to

923
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,920
make things better at at
Mcnichols and Red Rocks.

924
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,280
And my boss really wouldn't let
me do it.

925
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,720
Like taking the boards out in
front of the the dressing room

926
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,120
walls.
So Universal empathy.

927
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,920
I walked in and literally was
doing comics Comic Relief the

928
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,880
first time in the first show I
did there and then just end up

929
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,400
doing show after show after
show.

930
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,840
But I met so many great people
and work with people that I'd

931
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,880
known like Patrick Stansfield,
work with him a lot more there

932
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
and got to see some amazing
things that were just things

933
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,760
that we just, I shake my head
now and go, wow, I was in the

934
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,480
room for that and musically or
whatever.

935
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,600
And but again, for me, it's not.
And I don't, I don't have any

936
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,280
interest in meeting the stars.
I have my idols, you know, a

937
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,840
couple of whom I've met.
But that's not it's not, that's

938
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,960
not what it's about for me.
It's about, yeah, you know, and

939
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,160
that's cool and doesn't matter.
Happy to just sit in the room

940
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,760
and listen to them.
I don't need to know them.

941
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,960
I don't need to hang out with
them.

942
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,360
I just, you know, I just, I'm
happy to be in the room and has

943
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,000
to have the nice surprises of an
artist or something that you

944
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,400
hadn't heard before.
Or, you know, sometimes when I

945
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,840
did the Golden Globes for Dick
Clark, you know, you turn around

946
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,120
and you can't swing a dead cat
without hitting a movie star in

947
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,240
that room because the Beverly
Hilton is so small.

948
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,240
Even if it's.
Not cool to you.

949
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,880
Sometimes it just feels cool
because it's cool to other

950
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,280
people.
Like, they go, Oh my God, you

951
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,760
met whoever you know, You met so
and so, you know.

952
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,840
Yeah, yeah.
Well, in universal it makes it.

953
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Difficult to go to regular
dinner parties, though, because

954
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,360
people are talking about, you
know, well, I was down at the

955
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,000
pool the other day in Mildred
from down the street, and

956
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,400
they're telling all these
stories and you're like, well,

957
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,560
yeah, I went and played golf
with Bono, you know, or

958
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,880
whatever, Like, yeah.
Well, and you know, that's the

959
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,920
thing.
Like I said, I don't really hang

960
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,320
out with him.
It's funny though, with you too,

961
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,600
as I did their very first Little
American tour, like I said, and

962
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,280
then we did U2 at Red Rocks and
then they came back and did

963
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Rattle and Hum at Mcnichols
Arena.

964
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,480
And that was really, that was
wild because we're putting, they

965
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,480
shot it in black and white, but
they put all this fog into the

966
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,440
air and we had this sold out
show.

967
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,440
Everything's going on, the
cameras are rolling,

968
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,760
everything's running and the
fire alarm goes off and I'm

969
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,600
thinking, oh, this is it.
This is the end of my career.

970
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,560
I have a full house.
I'm pretty sure there's not a

971
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,640
fire.
But the producer was like, we've

972
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,840
got to have more smoke.
We've got to have more smoke and

973
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,800
we're standing there and he's
again, we got to have more smoke

974
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,200
in the air.
We got to have more atmosphere.

975
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,280
He called it atmosphere.
And at that moment, the the fire

976
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,280
department bursts in the back
door with gas masks and axes

977
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,480
going.
Where is the fire?

978
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,560
You can see a Halo smoke around
this building, you know, And

979
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,040
here I'm going, oh, this is it.
I'm done.

980
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,360
I'm sure I'm going to get fired
for this.

981
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,080
There's no doubt.
Well, they didn't get, they

982
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,440
didn't fire me.
Maybe they will now.

983
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,480
Oh, yeah.
But they didn't fire me.

984
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,360
But they gave me a really nice
little special, special thank

985
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,160
you at the end of the movie,
which was very cool.

986
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,160
That's funny.
But, you know, I mean, I don't

987
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,560
really, you know, And like I
said, it's not like I know them.

988
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Yeah, You Remember Me.
Probably not.

989
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,800
That's OK.
Just the fact that, you know, I

990
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,640
was able to hear them play at
Red Rocks and hear them play at

991
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,280
other places, you know, that is
plenty.

992
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,360
You know you got a cool.
Story about the firemen breaking

993
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,120
in the back of the stage or
whatever.

994
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,160
You know, like, that's a cool
story.

995
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
I'm going to work again.
Yeah.

996
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,640
But yeah.
So I've been able to do, you

997
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,920
know, a lot of fun things.
And, and like I said, at, at, at

998
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,480
Universal, we did, we just did
so many shows and I just never

999
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,200
slept, it seemed like.
And I think I, I was, I weighed

1000
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,800
like 124 lbs, you know, I was
like a stick because I just ran

1001
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,680
up and down the stairs.
And, oh, during that MTV awards,

1002
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
2 of the guys got it.
Two of the musicians got in a

1003
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,080
fight.
It was Vince, Neil and Izzy,

1004
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,120
what's his name from Guns and
Roses?

1005
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,560
And I'm standing there, you
know, I'm, I'm wearing a dress

1006
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,120
because I'm trying to look like
professional, you know, and I'm

1007
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,360
sitting here wearing a dress and
these guys come on this stage

1008
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,440
and start fighting in front of
me.

1009
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,120
I'm looking around going,
there's no security here, I'm

1010
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,040
going to have to do this.
So I grabbed one by his scarf

1011
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,840
and one at the throat.
And I was like, you go that way

1012
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,160
and you go that way.
And you know one of those.

1013
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,840
Nose and I was so.
You were a capable.

1014
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,600
Bouncer.
Oh well.

1015
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,240
Sadly, yes, But you know, yeah.
So I mean when you jump.

1016
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,720
When you jump between two like
stoned out of their minds

1017
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,160
musicians and break up a fight
like that, like you got to be

1018
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
fairly capable because otherwise
I knew they.

1019
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,920
Weren't they weren't drinking?
Because at that time we didn't

1020
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,520
allow alcohol for MTV awards
back backstage.

1021
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,640
They'd been high fine, but I
knew they weren't drinking.

1022
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,200
So I know generally guys won't
hit a woman unless they're

1023
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,440
drunk.
Yeah.

1024
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520
So that's one thing I learned as
a bouncer.

1025
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,720
And so I didn't.
It didn't really worry me.

1026
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,480
It's just, you know, I just knew
that we're about to change

1027
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,360
scenes and a big, you know, a
big card of band gear was going

1028
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,880
to roll right where these guys
are fighting.

1029
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,120
I'm thinking I got to get them
off stage.

1030
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,040
So I sent one down to the
dressing room 1, went on to the

1031
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,320
back party room.
And you know, did you ever find?

1032
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,720
Out what the fight was about.
Actually, it's you can, you can

1033
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,960
Google it.
It was 1989 Universal

1034
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,520
Amphitheatre, MTV Awards.
And there's a big long thing

1035
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,440
about it.
It was either somebody insulted

1036
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,960
somebody's wife or something
else.

1037
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,920
Somebody said it was about
Pamela Anderson, but I don't

1038
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,080
think that there was a girl in.
Between all of us, there was a

1039
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,000
girl.
Of course.

1040
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Yeah, it's always a girl, you
know.

1041
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,400
Yeah, it's.
Always a girl, Yeah, dumb

1042
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,520
knucklehead guys fighting over a
girl.

1043
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Oh, you know, and I just.
Kept going.

1044
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,080
Really.
I have.

1045
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,200
I have a security guy on stage
to take care of this.

1046
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,880
I have to do this myself, but
Oh, well.

1047
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,280
So yeah, but it was an amazing
experience.

1048
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,000
And then I ended up working.
I met one of the producers for

1049
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,880
Dick Clark when I was when I was
working a show for him, for Dick

1050
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,000
Clark there.
And he's like, oh, you're really

1051
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,000
good.
Have you thought about working

1052
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,400
in TV?
And I was like, no, why would I

1053
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,760
want to work in TV?
But they ended up hiring me a

1054
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,120
year later and said goodbye to
Universal.

1055
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,160
Barry Manilow was always the the
New Year's Eve show in those

1056
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,000
times.
Danny Elfman, Boingo Boingo

1057
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,080
would do Halloween and Derry
Manilow would do New Year's Eve.

1058
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,160
So right at that Barry Manilow
show, I left and went to Dick

1059
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,720
Clark and did the Fiesta Bowl
parade the first thing and then

1060
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,040
did the oh, the my, my second
show was the Golden Globes.

1061
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,400
You know, no big deal, but it
was that was, you know, and Lee

1062
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,560
Rose was the production, was the
lighting designer on that.

1063
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,880
But and, and everybody again,
they taught me so much.

1064
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,280
I didn't, you know, I didn't
realize.

1065
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,040
Oh yeah, I have to bring tape to
put in the tape tape machines to

1066
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,920
actually record the show.
That was one of my jobs.

1067
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,880
That's everything else I kind of
knew about, but the TV stuff I

1068
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,400
didn't know very much about, so
my goodness.

1069
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,960
Yeah, but that was that.
That was a fun show and we ended

1070
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,920
up you there.
With with Dick Clark.

1071
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,160
How long how long did you work
with Dick Clark?

1072
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,800
Well off and.
On about 12 years.

1073
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,720
But when I started with them at
that Golden Globe show, it was

1074
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:47,880
actually the first show after
the World Trade Center had been

1075
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,240
attacked the first time.
And so a bunch of people were

1076
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,520
saying, a bunch of the artists
were saying artists, the actors

1077
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,040
mostly were saying we're not
going to come because we're

1078
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,600
worried it's going to get bombed
or something.

1079
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,920
So I called the Beverly Hills
police and we did the whole bomb

1080
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,640
check thing with the dogs and
the magnetometers.

1081
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,400
And people were like, oh, OK, if
you're going to do

1082
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,680
magnetometers, you're going to
check everything and then we'll

1083
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,120
come.
So we had the magnetometers

1084
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,520
turned out, it wouldn't have
gone off anyway.

1085
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,480
But you know, we, they were all
worried that they, that they

1086
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,400
couldn't come, but the Beverly
Hills police told them we were

1087
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,040
doing all these, these extra
things and they, they decide to

1088
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,240
come and the show went on.
And then I did the Academy

1089
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,560
Country Music Awards, which I
did for a number of years, which

1090
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,120
is the show they really hired me
for.

1091
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,680
And that was, that was really
fun.

1092
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,040
I just, I, you know, and every
time I got to see people was

1093
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,200
just the best.
And and again, learn stuff from

1094
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,240
everybody, the TV people and the
stagehands again, just everybody

1095
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,320
I could I could ask questions
of.

1096
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,920
I did.
And you?

1097
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,880
Know I tried to.
Bring as many people up,

1098
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,800
especially when I was at Dick
Clark, we'd have, we'd hire like

1099
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,720
30 runners for the Golden Globes
and, and the people would come

1100
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,200
and say, well, I have a film
degree from USC and we'd say,

1101
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,800
yeah, OK, go get lunch for
everybody.

1102
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,760
And if you can do that right,
then we'll send you on the next

1103
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,240
thing.
So but you know, maybe we'll.

1104
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,320
Hire you as a director later?
Exactly.

1105
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,960
Yeah, exactly.
I want to direct.

1106
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,240
Yeah.
Well, guess what, you know?

1107
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,760
Yeah, go get.
Coffee, go direct your way down

1108
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,640
to Starbucks and get yes.
Yes, exactly.

1109
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,520
Can you get the, can you get the
director's lunch?

1110
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,600
Right.
So, yeah, you know, but it was,

1111
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,840
but it was fun because we really
did get to bring along, you

1112
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,800
know, a lot of a lot of good
people.

1113
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,320
And but we, you know, we had
some really stupid stuff happen

1114
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,720
too, you know, that, that I, I
look back and go, oh, I wished I

1115
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,440
hadn't hired that particular
person or whatever.

1116
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,000
But Oh, really.
Yeah.

1117
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,720
But it was fun to do.
I love doing those shows.

1118
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,920
That was probably, probably my
favorite place to work because

1119
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,520
the guys I worked for were,
just, were just wonderful.

1120
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,320
And, and just especially when I
started and they were so patient

1121
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,800
with me and they were that my,
my direct boss said, oh, you

1122
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,840
know, you're the best person
we've ever had do this job.

1123
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,840
And I mean, I got to tell you, I
might as well have been given,

1124
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,920
you know, $1,000,000 of the
Nobel Peace Prize.

1125
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,960
That to me was everything.
If I could do a good job for

1126
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,280
somebody, you know, and help
other people.

1127
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,360
What was your?
Role there.

1128
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,360
Well, I started as they called
it, associate producer.

1129
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,640
So I did, I advanced basically
all the shows.

1130
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,880
I put in the stagehand calls.
I figured out where the trucks

1131
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,360
were going to park, what the
like the recording trucks and

1132
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,840
the backup generator trucks and
where where they're going to

1133
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,400
park and how the com is going to
run.

1134
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,440
And I learned a book, satellite
time and I also was responsible

1135
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,280
for all of the bills.
Every bill that came through I

1136
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,640
would reconcile it and sounds
like it's 5.

1137
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Different people.
That sounds like 5 jobs, you

1138
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,600
know?
But you know what?

1139
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,960
Compared to Universal
Amphitheater, it was, Oh my God,

1140
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,600
it was a vacation.
I mean, it was, Oh my God,

1141
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,880
Universal was really physically
the hardest job I'd ever had.

1142
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,160
It was so much running and I
just never slept.

1143
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,840
I just because at that time, I'm
told later that was the busiest

1144
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,160
time they ever had at that
building.

1145
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,320
But you know, we just never
slept.

1146
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,560
And it was, it was nuts.
Yeah, the stagehands that we

1147
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,400
had, we had seconds.
We had assistants on the

1148
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,920
stagehands Local 7 did on their
contracts.

1149
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,320
So luckily the stagehands didn't
have to stay all the time.

1150
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,440
They could actually get some
sleep.

1151
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,320
But we just, it was, it's kind
of like running the Walmart, you

1152
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,480
know, 24 hours a day.
You just, you got to slow it in

1153
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,160
and you got your load of Peaches
coming and you got your load of

1154
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,280
whatever bandit is coming in.
So you know, you just had to run

1155
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,600
it like a 24 hours so.
I'm confused, so you were at Red

1156
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,560
Rock before and then went to
California and then you ended up

1157
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,040
back at Red Rocks later?
Yes, exactly.

1158
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,200
Yeah.
So after Dick Clark, I, I well,

1159
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,760
during Dick Clark and after Dick
Clark, I ended up doing other

1160
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,120
things.
I did the Pope's visit and then

1161
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,600
I did a lot of other TV shows
like the John Tesch at Red Rocks

1162
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080
that I was executive charge of
production for and also at

1163
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,880
Catalina Island and oh gosh, all
kinds of crazy other shows.

1164
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,080
But that I did.
I did some kids shows,

1165
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,200
Superhuman Samurai, Cyber Squad
and tattooed teenage alien

1166
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,280
fighters from Beverly Hills.
My.

1167
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:38,680
Goodness.
I'm fine.

1168
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,200
Yes, those were those were
interesting.

1169
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,760
But yeah, I learned a lot from
those too.

1170
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,720
Those were bizarre.
So then I ended up going to

1171
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,720
going to Nashville to do a show
called Primetime Country for

1172
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,160
Dick Clark.
And that was a daily live live

1173
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680
set of five days a week, hour
and a half show.

1174
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,200
And for those of you, The funny
thing is the rest of the

1175
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,080
television industry isn't used
to doing live live.

1176
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,600
They're used to recording stuff
or taking months to shoot

1177
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,320
somewhere as we all are so used
to doing everything live live.

1178
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,360
Everything we do is now.
So, you know, for me that wasn't

1179
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,000
a big deal, but the people in
Nashville were a little

1180
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,640
surprised by it.
But it was really a talk variety

1181
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,080
show during the day.
And it was, it was fun, but it

1182
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,680
was, I was a little more
hardcore, I think, than some of

1183
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,280
the Tennessee people.
What venue was?

1184
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,120
That in well.
It was at the Grand Old Opry.

1185
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,760
We didn't shoot it.
There was a smaller studio.

1186
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,000
We shot it at the beginning.
We'd go shoot things out at the

1187
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,720
Opry, at the Opryland, at the
Opryland Hotel, a little bit in

1188
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,040
the Opryland Park, which was
really a very nice park.

1189
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,560
So but it was funny because I
had sort of a different a

1190
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,720
different speed than the people
in Nashville.

1191
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,960
So I got a lot of grief from
that at 1st and then later on

1192
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,160
you taught me so much.
And I have one friend that's

1193
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,800
like, how do you have a career
because of you?

1194
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,640
And because I was like, yeah,
you come learn this and come

1195
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,240
learn that and what do you want
to do next?

1196
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,120
Let's help you learn to do
whatever it is you want to do

1197
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,520
next.
So those people, most of them

1198
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,480
I'm still pretty close to.
And that was a great experience.

1199
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,320
I worked with Dick Clarkson, who
goes by RAC RAC and he is just,

1200
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,960
he's a Prince of a man.
He's just a wonderful person.

1201
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,080
And he, I mean, I was so lucky
to work with him and so many

1202
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,040
great, great people and, you
know, people that taught me so

1203
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
much and probably put up with
my, my, you know, silliness from

1204
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,320
time to time.
But from there, I, you know, I'd

1205
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,800
gone to do that and then I came
and then after, after Prime Time

1206
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,800
country, I did some other silly
shows like Tuckerville with

1207
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:29,240
Tanya Tucker.
And she was she was in her kind

1208
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,200
of crazy period.
But you know, she's heard her

1209
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,960
daughter, one of well, her
daughter Layla was her father

1210
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,400
was the farmer next door.
And one point she wants to go

1211
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,080
get Layla.
She's like, I'm getting my gun

1212
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,600
and I'm going over to get Layla.
We're like, no, putting the

1213
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,960
cameras down and we're walking
away.

1214
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,040
We're not going any place with
Tanya Tucker with a gun.

1215
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,960
We're just not doing that.
Wow.

1216
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,400
She was a wild 1.
So you moved.

1217
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,400
You moved to Nashville for a
while, then moved to.

1218
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,160
Nashville, which I loved because
I had my horses in my backyard

1219
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,520
and actually got married when I
was there.

1220
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,520
It's you have to, if you moved
to Nashville, it's in the

1221
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,120
contract.
You have to marry a songwriter.

1222
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,840
So I married a songwriter.
He had written songs for Garth

1223
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,760
Brooks and for a band called
Lone Star.

1224
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,680
And really, really wonderful
guy.

1225
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,120
The marriage didn't last, but he
is a wonderful guy and we're

1226
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,760
still friends.
And they got married in the

1227
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,680
backyard.
My friend said they sang going

1228
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,040
to the pasture and we're going
to get married instead of going

1229
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,520
to the Chapel and we're going to
get married.

1230
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,560
And horses and dogs and cats
were all in the wedding.

1231
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,400
So anyway, but yeah, he was
great.

1232
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,080
He was a great guy, and he's
still a good friend.

1233
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,560
But yeah, so I was there and
then and the TV show ends, which

1234
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,080
I always do, and we took the
show to Las Vegas and Houston

1235
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,320
and we were at the the Las Vegas
Hilton for a bunch of shows.

1236
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,200
And you probably can't print
this part, but when I first sent

1237
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,960
the letter to the Las Vegas
Hilton, I was sending letters

1238
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,440
out to the hotels trying to get
them to work with us and put our

1239
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,720
show into one of their
showrooms.

1240
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,560
We ended up working with the Las
Vegas Hilton.

1241
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,880
I am.
It turns out that I sent the

1242
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,960
letter to the director of pubic
relations for the hotel, and

1243
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,960
even though it's there, probably
is.

1244
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,320
One, I mean, they're probably,
yeah, I've been at the Las Vegas

1245
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,600
Hilton many times and I wouldn't
be surprised by that role there.

1246
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,520
Well, then, you know, it was a
little Starlight Express

1247
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,240
theater.
That Barry Manilow's all right,

1248
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,640
of course.
Yeah, yeah.

1249
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,240
But it was.
Just I mean, that was I'm a

1250
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,640
terrible typer and a terrible
speller and I'm dyslexic so and

1251
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,760
nobody caught it.
I had two people, you know, But

1252
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,160
anyway, that was my one of my
worst bad spelling moments.

1253
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,200
So funny.
That's.

1254
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,440
A good one.
I like that one.

1255
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,880
That's one of those ones that
ends up on the Billboard and

1256
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,160
you're like, Oh no.
Or on the marquee, you know or

1257
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:26,840
please.
No, please.

1258
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,600
No.
But you know, I figured what the

1259
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,040
heck, somebody will learn from
that one, right?

1260
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,600
That's good.
You know, even.

1261
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,480
Spell check didn't didn't help
me on that one.

1262
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,480
So, you know, we did the show
ultimately, you know, was

1263
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,920
cancelled, which they ultimately
are.

1264
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,720
And so I did some other work.
I did some work for CMT there.

1265
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,440
I came back and did work for
them on Crossroads, which was a

1266
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,160
show where they meld a rock
person with a country person.

1267
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,800
So I was lucky to do Kenny
Rogers and Lionel Richie and

1268
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,360
that was a wonderful show.
Lost lonely boys with their Iowa

1269
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,240
who was Ronnie Millsap you know
and shows like that that we're

1270
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,360
really just you know again, you
sit there and you go this

1271
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,160
doesn't suck.
I am so lucky.

1272
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,320
I am, you know, looking back,
I'm like the luckiest person in

1273
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,880
the world.
I've gotten to do all kinds of

1274
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,920
really wonderful projects.
And you worked your.

1275
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,440
Ass off.
You worked hard, like I can just

1276
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,840
hear it every time, like you
just outworked everybody around

1277
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,040
you and got grabbed and OK, now
let me put you in this role.

1278
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,120
Now let me put you in this role
that you know, you were reliable

1279
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,360
and hard working and you learned
stuff, everything you did and

1280
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,200
brought that with you into the
next job where now you were even

1281
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,960
more valuable.
And like that's these are all

1282
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,840
life lessons.
These are really great.

1283
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,960
You know that.
I'm so happy you're coming to

1284
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,600
Dining with Dinosaurs because
that's what you said.

1285
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,440
Under qualified.
I mean, these people are the,

1286
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,680
literally, they are the people
that, I mean, Joe Branham and

1287
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,160
Roy Bickel invented rigging.
I mean, yeah, they invented it

1288
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,880
and I think started the first TV
lighting for Robert Roth.

1289
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,560
Created the square Park Hand.
I mean, yeah.

1290
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,800
This is why these people, I
mean, people don't understand

1291
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,440
younger people don't understand
these guys, literally they were

1292
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880
go to their shops and whatever
and come up with this stuff and.

1293
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,760
You know, I mean like, well, I
mean audio.

1294
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,520
Companies too, like Dave, Dave,
I don't know if you know Dave,

1295
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,080
but you know of course creating
your own boxes in, in your shop

1296
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,920
or in your garage or whatever
because there is nothing, there

1297
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,520
is no big sound system to do a,
a stadium show or whatever.

1298
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,920
You got to create it.
Well, and I remember the first

1299
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,320
time I I saw the S fours and
somebody said, well, they're,

1300
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,680
they're built to fit in.
I found my truck and I was like,

1301
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,000
really?
They built the speakers just

1302
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,280
exactly the right size of fit in
a sit in a go into a semi truck.

1303
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,200
I thought that's brilliant, you
know?

1304
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Yeah.
But anyway, that's the things

1305
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,840
that impressed me, right?
That's, you know, I didn't care

1306
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,880
about the artist Nancy Without.
Like bad saying, but blowing

1307
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,720
smoke up your skirt.
You know, you, you absolutely

1308
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,600
belong.
Because like, even just sitting

1309
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,880
here listening to you, you're so
inspiring, you know?

1310
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:54,240
Because like if I was a young
lady sitting at LDI listening to

1311
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,560
people and talking with people,
I'd be following you around the

1312
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,560
room all day.
Because, you know, you've

1313
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:05,160
created a career around working
hard, learning every chance you

1314
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,920
get, showing up.
But you said you got there first

1315
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,680
and left last.
That to me is one of the

1316
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,480
greatest qualities in the world
of, of a person you want working

1317
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,880
for.
You see, these are qualities

1318
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,080
that I would pick before I'd
even ever look at your resume.

1319
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,680
Like I wouldn't even look at or
care where you went to school or

1320
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,160
college or what your last 10 and
jobs were if I found those other

1321
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,000
qualities that you're talking
about now.

1322
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,240
So no, I think you're going to
be wildly popular at, at, at

1323
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,400
this event.
You know, I, I think you've got

1324
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,000
a lot to share.
Well.

1325
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Thank you.
I just, I mean, I do really hope

1326
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,040
I am coming out with a new thing
that I wanted to tell you all

1327
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,080
about, which is I had a bunch of
friends asking me for venues,

1328
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,280
being in the venue business.
I ended up being the assistant

1329
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,080
manager again for Red Rocks and
Mcnichols, and then I opened a

1330
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Blossom Music Center in Ohio and
MCA took it over, had a lease

1331
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,960
with the Cleveland Symphony, and
I've been a member of the

1332
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:03,240
International Association of
Venue Managers for a long time.

1333
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,880
But one of the things I found
was that people were calling me

1334
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,760
looking for venues.
Marty Ham called and said I'm

1335
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,720
looking for rehearsal space for
Stevie Nicks in Denver and Billy

1336
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,080
Bobby Schneider, excuse me,
called me and looking for

1337
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,440
rehearsal space in Colorado for
corn and corporate people I knew

1338
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,240
were looking for space.
And what I realized is that, you

1339
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,360
know, there are some places you
can go and find venues, but what

1340
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,920
I created was something that's
kind of like realtor.com for

1341
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,480
venues.
So you put in, I need a 500 seat

1342
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,280
theater within, you know, 50
miles of Omaha or something like

1343
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,880
that.
And it would it would, it will

1344
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,760
pop up with what's there.
So we're working on right now

1345
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,720
populating it and working on the
website

1346
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,320
itscalledvenueresource.com.
It's singular venue

1347
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,960
resource.com.
You have to have a password to

1348
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,080
get into it.
So, you know, let us know if you

1349
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,400
have somebody to get a.
Password.

1350
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,680
E-mail me or register.
Yeah, well.

1351
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,920
And actually, you don't have to
register yet.

1352
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,840
It's under construction.
It still has some things going.

1353
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,160
On with it.
So it's not.

1354
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,920
Really ready for public so
passwords are.

1355
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,120
For developers and stuff right
now, people testing the site for

1356
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,040
you and stuff, yeah, yeah.
So eventually they'll register.

1357
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,000
If they want to go on and view
it to find venues or whatever,

1358
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,920
they'll go in and register and
they won't.

1359
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,920
Even have to do that, it's like
realtor, it'll just pop up with

1360
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,320
with a little line saying here,
where do you where do you want

1361
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,840
to be?
And you know, what kind of venue

1362
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,520
are you looking for?
An amphitheater, a theater, a

1363
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,280
Convention Center, a meeting
space, a parking lot.

1364
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,120
I have friends that do ride and
drives and they said they have a

1365
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,360
terrible time finding parking
lots or open space.

1366
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,480
So you can put that in and it'll
find those.

1367
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,520
It'll also have a section for a
keyword so you can put in that

1368
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,880
it's like ADA compliant or
something like that.

1369
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,280
So then the other thing I
realized is that there's also

1370
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,560
no, you know, there's no white
pages and no Yellow Pages

1371
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,800
anymore.
So I thought, well, you know, if

1372
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,640
you're if you need to put on a
show, you need vendors.

1373
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,040
A friend of mine was booking
comedians and he's like, again,

1374
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,160
I need a theater between Denver
and Chicago, my comedians

1375
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,520
driving from there.
And I'm looking for a venue, you

1376
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,800
know, venues for him to play
between those two cities.

1377
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,120
And then I need lights and sound
and I need catering and I need

1378
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,320
security.
So there's a vendor portion.

1379
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,360
Again, you say I need a, I need
staging within, you know, 50

1380
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:08,000
miles of Los Angeles and you put
that in and Brown United will

1381
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,720
pop up or whatever, you know,
whatever else you're looking

1382
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,640
for, you can put in specific
things as well.

1383
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,840
And then I thought, well, maybe
you need to book a band.

1384
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,400
Maybe you're the guy who's
putting on a 50th birthday party

1385
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,960
for your brother-in-law.
So I have a part that's that's

1386
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,160
going to be very cheap for
entertainers.

1387
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,360
They can put themselves in,
whether they're a speaker or a

1388
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,080
aerialist or a musician, they
can put in what they are.

1389
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,200
And again, you know, if they
work 50 miles within of Omaha,

1390
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,800
you know, they can put that in
and people can find them.

1391
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,440
And I thought, is this really,
you know, am I just making this

1392
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,600
separate if people need this?
And I went to a friend of mine

1393
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,320
who's the Carrie Marx, who's the
musical director at the Grand

1394
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,880
Ole Opry, who I've known for a
long time.

1395
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,280
And I said, you know, Carrie,
I'm doing this.

1396
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,840
But I know you're not the kind
of guy who needs it because

1397
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,720
you're booked all the time.
You said, yeah, but my friends

1398
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,760
really need this.
He said there's so many great

1399
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,880
musicians in the country, nobody
knows how to find them.

1400
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,480
You know, and even FIFA, they're
doing a, they're doing, they

1401
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,840
want a country music band for
their finale in Nashville and

1402
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,680
they didn't know how to find a
band, a country band.

1403
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,000
I'm like, you can't swing a dead
cat again without hitting a

1404
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,600
country musician in
Englishville.

1405
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,440
So it's just, I mean, and the
other thing though, that this

1406
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,880
really is about his resources.
And then I'd like to add

1407
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,800
internships to them, if they'll
add their internships.

1408
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,720
But then also jobs I've got
probably, I don't know, 20 job

1409
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,720
boards, everything from
technical theatre jobs in

1410
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,120
England to Bobnet.
If you know Bobnet, you have to

1411
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,800
be a touring profession beyond
Bobnet.

1412
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,480
So, you know, there's I want to
have all that stuff that people

1413
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,000
will let me in one place so
people can go and find this

1414
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,240
stuff, you know, and then you
can, you can list the listings.

1415
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,600
The listings will be pretty
cheap.

1416
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,960
Again, it's like the white pages
and the Yellow Pages, if people

1417
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,040
remember those.
So, you know, I remember the

1418
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,400
promoters coming back when I
worked at Feline, they'd go to

1419
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,960
what we call the Frozen N you
know, we do these these Willie

1420
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,880
Nelson tours and things up and
in like North Dakota, South

1421
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,160
Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and
they'd come back with the phone

1422
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,520
books from those areas because
that's the only fine stuff was

1423
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,120
getting the phone books.
So hope, you know, this is

1424
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,640
hopefully something that people
will go on.

1425
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,720
It's not going to cure cancer,
you know, but it's if it's if

1426
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,720
it's something that people will
sorry, my dogs just came.

1427
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:06,520
No, I can.
Hear.

1428
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,280
They, but you know, if, if it'll
help people put on safe events

1429
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,360
that will have event checklists
and when you go to hire an

1430
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,640
entertainer, here's the things
you need to you need to tell

1431
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,160
them about is, is there parking?
Are they getting dinner?

1432
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,880
What should they wear?
You know, all these things that

1433
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,360
that they don't think to ask
what electricity do they need

1434
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,280
and stuff like that.
So hopefully it'll just cut down

1435
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,760
on some of the things like a
massive.

1436
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,000
Undertaking and I I love the
concept.

1437
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,880
I love the idea I'm I'm in the
marketplace business myself and

1438
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,240
and you know I love
marketplaces.

1439
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:43,080
I think, you know, there's this
vast universe where you go and

1440
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,800
put something into Google and
you don't know what you're going

1441
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,360
to get.
You just get a, a mixed bag of

1442
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,520
junk usually, you know, like,
you know, if you're looking for

1443
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,160
a venue, you're going to get
anything from a, a barn to a,

1444
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,400
you know, an arena or a stadium
or something.

1445
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:03,520
And so, you know, these vertical
marketplaces that are much more

1446
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,880
specific to our industry or
whatever I think are very

1447
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,200
necessary and, and I love it and
I wish you nothing but the best

1448
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,120
of luck.
I mean, it sounds like you're

1449
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,000
really trying to make it do a
lot of different stuff.

1450
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,280
Your dog wants your attention
badly.

1451
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,520
I could hear.
Oh, I'm.

1452
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,600
Sorry, yes, no, no, it's all.
Good outside they were.

1453
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,320
Waiting there.
You guys come here.

1454
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,560
They're not small.
Dogs either, are they?

1455
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,320
No.
They're kind of big, yes.

1456
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,200
They're, they're not as big as
the horses, though.

1457
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,320
I have horses and they try to
come in the house too.

1458
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,840
They're the house that's from
hell.

1459
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,200
We call them.
Yeah, they'll they'll come under

1460
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,600
the front porch and I'll feed
them tortilla chips and they'll

1461
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:38,920
try and come in the house.
Well, why do you?

1462
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,960
Think they're trying to come in
the house because, you know, if

1463
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,840
you're feeding them tortilla
chips on the on the front steps,

1464
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,880
what else is in here?
You know, there's got to be

1465
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,920
something more.
Yeah.

1466
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,160
Maybe they need some tequila to
wash down their tortilla chips

1467
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,240
or something.
Don't give them any.

1468
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,880
Ideas.
Pandora's already breaking

1469
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,360
everything.
That's hilarious.

1470
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,960
That's hilarious.
I mean, when I was, when I was

1471
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,720
young, I said to myself, I want
to have an interesting life.

1472
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:02,920
And I've been really lucky that
way.

1473
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,320
I've been, I've been done.
OK, so.

1474
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:05,520
Far.
It's mostly, yeah.

1475
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,800
You know, and like I said, it's,
it's really all about the people

1476
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,680
and, and, you know, getting to
do things.

1477
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,800
And even if I'm not, if I'm not
doing anything big like 1 I one

1478
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,360
award show.
I my job was to change the heads

1479
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,240
over on the on the drums from
real heads for the cymbals to

1480
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,240
dead heads.
I'm not sure even what they call

1481
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,840
them anymore, but that was my
job is that I had listed when I

1482
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,279
had to change them over for what
bands.

1483
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,800
And so I change them over and I
worked with the the center

1484
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,120
staging guys, Jan Parent and
Johnny Caswell, you know, and

1485
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,120
that was my job.
But it was just like, this is

1486
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:36,600
this is fun.
I mean, how often do you get to

1487
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,120
do that?
You know, and and and me, I

1488
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,800
mean, and I don't know anything
about music.

1489
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,520
I can barely play the stereo.
I mean, I am pathetic.

1490
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,120
It's I music to me is total
magic.

1491
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,200
There's I mean, I know enough to
advance shows.

1492
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:50,399
You know, it took me forever to
understand what a Leslie and AB

1493
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,680
3 was.
Yeah.

1494
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,399
You know, AB3 with a Leslie had
to get one.

1495
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,720
Up the stairs at Red Rock, I
knew.

1496
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,479
I knew how to get them.
In Yeah, but I really didn't

1497
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,120
know what they did until you
know, some of my like and kind

1498
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,680
of really need to know this, but
you know but and that's like I

1499
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,840
said, the music to me is magic.
It's just magic.

1500
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,160
I'm OK not knowing a lot about
it.

1501
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,640
You know, I but I want to know
how to advance it and I want to

1502
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,240
make sure that I've got
everything there that those guys

1503
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:13,439
need.
My my job is to make sure

1504
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,439
everybody has what they need.
That's my job to do their jobs

1505
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,760
and my other, my other favorite
saying is I know what I know,

1506
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,279
but more importantly, I know
what I don't know and who to

1507
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:24,359
call that's.
That's my saying I.

1508
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:26,200
Have a friend that uses that one
sometimes.

1509
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,560
Sometimes that's even more
important than trying to know

1510
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,720
everything yourself because you
can't, you know, knowing people

1511
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,760
is very important.
Yeah, yeah.

1512
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaking of Speaking of loading
in AAB 3 and a Leslie into red

1513
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,560
rocks, is it still like the
toughest load in in the in the

1514
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:45,840
country?
I'm.

1515
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,680
Told it's yeah, maybe the
toughest load in the world,

1516
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,279
although there are some
buildings that I think still

1517
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,120
load things in from the outside
up on winches that they bring up

1518
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,720
the outside to an outside
window.

1519
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,080
I've seen that.
That's horrible.

1520
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,840
Red boxes.
We've got it down pretty well, I

1521
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,880
say.
We haven't been there for a

1522
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,600
couple years, but, you know,
started loading and we, you

1523
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:08,160
know, we cross load at the
loading dock, which is the guy

1524
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,920
there, my old boss, I asked him
to put a roof over it and put

1525
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,360
lights on it.
But instead he built a backstage

1526
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:14,880
to it.
So there's still apparently no

1527
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,040
roof and no lights, but it's got
sort of a something downstairs

1528
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,320
from it.
But that's OK as long as they're

1529
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,040
improving.
You know it.

1530
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,680
It's a really tough, it's a
tough place.

1531
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:24,920
Obviously.
When I was there, we actually

1532
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,120
built a backstage Rd.
You could get a semi up and you

1533
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,000
can get a semi up there.
Not a great idea.

1534
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,080
It'll scare the heck out of your
driver.

1535
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,520
I did it with John Tesh.
We got the Denali or the Green

1536
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,480
Crow truck up there.
The biggest audio truck could

1537
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,640
get that time up there.
But I mean that the system works

1538
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,280
pretty well and we have it down
pretty well.

1539
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,040
It is.
I mean, you have to, you have to

1540
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,800
backward load your trucks at
your stop before Red Rocks if

1541
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,280
you're going to do it, which
helps the most.

1542
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,520
And I think the last biggest
show I did out there, I think

1543
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,640
was 9 semis with Van Halen and
they insisted on bringing it all

1544
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,360
up there even though it's like,
why play Red Rocks if you can't

1545
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,360
even see the rocks because
you've got all your gak in the

1546
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,440
way.
Yeah, that's true too.

1547
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,520
You want to be able to see
through it?

1548
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,560
Yeah, exactly what's?
The point of that are the people

1549
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,960
that put up a lot of the EDM
people put up a whole video

1550
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,920
while across the back and you
know, I just watched a.

1551
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,560
Really nice one the other day, I
don't remember if I watched it

1552
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,040
on TV or on YouTube or
something, but Joe Joe Bonamassa

1553
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:23,440
at at Red rocks, beautiful show
and and yeah, he's just a great

1554
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,640
artist too.
I love watching, listening to

1555
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,560
him, but that venue is just,
I'm, I'm from Alberta, you know,

1556
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,880
I'm a mountain guy.
And so Red Rocks to me is just

1557
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,440
like, it's as cool as it gets,
you know, like there's just

1558
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:40,440
nothing cooler than that.
It's so beautiful.

1559
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,520
Does is the stage sound like the
sound to the musician?

1560
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,680
Is it different?
Is it Do they say that it's good

1561
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,640
or bad or indifferent?
Well, you know, obviously we we,

1562
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,080
you know, reinforce everything,
but you can stand on the stage

1563
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,200
there with no reinforcement and
talk loudly and you can be heard

1564
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,520
at the top of the amphitheater.
And that's the way they decide

1565
01:11:59,520 --> 01:11:59,840
it.
Yeah.

1566
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,480
It really is a natural
amphitheater.

1567
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:05,160
And obviously, you know, people,
people bring in a lot of, you

1568
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,440
know, additional volume.
I remember doing the Grateful

1569
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,000
Dead there and they were doing
their wall of sound and there's

1570
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,800
I have pictures of, you know,
each side where it's, you know,

1571
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,720
scaffolding all up to try to get
as high as they could with with

1572
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,000
their audio at the time.
And there's obviously a lot of

1573
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,840
better ways to do that now.
But you know, it is it is really

1574
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,960
very much a natural amphitheater
and one of the things I loved

1575
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,080
and I feel so privileged as I
spent so much time.

1576
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,720
There was nobody else there, you
know, when I would do

1577
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,840
overnights, and that's my
favorite time is in the middle

1578
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,560
of the night, like after a show
and the cleaners haven't come

1579
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,080
yet, but the raccoons come out
and the deer come out and

1580
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,920
everybody kind of wanders around
the you know, and and the place

1581
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,560
is just magical at night when
there's nobody there, even

1582
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:44,880
obviously when there are people
there.

1583
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,240
But in fact, we were doing when
we're doing, we make events.

1584
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,440
Brown note, the local wonderful
production company here in

1585
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,760
Denver, they we're going to
light the red rocks.

1586
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,040
We're going to light red rocks
and do a shot for that.

1587
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,440
So this is my only, this is my
big lighting job.

1588
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:02,480
OK, Marcel, we can just put in
one of those dials where you

1589
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,640
could dial the colors in on the
rocks.

1590
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:09,120
So I got to dial in the red for
the rocks and then they had a

1591
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,240
photographer come in and take
pictures of the ghost light

1592
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,120
there.
Well, one of those pictures

1593
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,760
where I had actually just dialed
in the red on the rocks ended up

1594
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:20,240
in the Grammys program that year
for We Make Events, and it was

1595
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,280
only on the online program, but
it's a picture of my lighting

1596
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,880
that is.
Cool, I know, but it's.

1597
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,160
And it's literally I can't light
myself.

1598
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,200
You got.
Lighting design credit for that.

1599
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,240
Or, well, no.
No, it was just on the, it was

1600
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,920
just on the thing.
It was just so funny because

1601
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,000
like I said, I can't light my
way out of a paper bag.

1602
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,480
I can't, I just don't see it,
you know, And I've tried and I'm

1603
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:42,000
just, I'm terrible at it.
So we, we hire people, you know,

1604
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,280
we, you know.
My ex-wife used to say to me all

1605
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,960
the time, like, why do we have
the worst lit house, you know,

1606
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,040
and I mean, what's, how's the
saying go the cobbler has the

1607
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,440
worst shoes or something like
that, You know, like that was

1608
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:58,760
always me.
Like I, I never focused on

1609
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,000
lighting in my own house or for
my own house, you know, yet I

1610
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,320
sold millions and millions of
dollars in lighting over the

1611
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,000
years.
So.

1612
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,040
So didn't you get into some
consulting too for other

1613
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,160
amphitheatres on stuff?
Yeah.

1614
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,280
I've done, I've done some over
the years.

1615
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,880
The most interesting project is
there's a place in Miami called

1616
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,320
the Miami Marine Stadium.
I know and it.

1617
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,000
Was built, yeah.
There used to be jet ski races

1618
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,760
there all the time.
Exactly built.

1619
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:26,960
I went and.
Saw them, Yeah.

1620
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,080
Oh, you did.
OK, well and I heard about

1621
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,560
South.
Florida half the year, of

1622
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,320
course.
Oh my gosh, I love this place.

1623
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,840
So I've gotten a call from a a
company that normally does

1624
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,840
theater consulting, and they
said, would you be interested in

1625
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,960
looking at this?
And I was like, yeah, so I went

1626
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,440
down and we looked at it and I
did a whole bunch of pro forma

1627
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:44,880
budgets for them and things.
But the place was built for

1628
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,920
powerboat racing.
And apparently they dredged the

1629
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,360
the Bay for it.
But when they built it, I guess

1630
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,880
the Bay is not really big enough
for the power of the power boats

1631
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,880
they used in the first race.
This famous power boater came up

1632
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,000
and got killed in the first race
'cause he couldn't make the

1633
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,800
turn.
But it's a, it's a famous place.

1634
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,480
In fact, it was used as a
backdrop for Elvis Presley.

1635
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,640
Elvis Presley movie and that was
kind of cool.

1636
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:10,800
Yeah.
And then Jimmy Buffett used to

1637
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,160
do a lot of people.
So they used to bring in a

1638
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,520
stage, a little barge, and they
load it.

1639
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,800
They'd load in on the side and
then roll it in or, you know,

1640
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,520
haul it into place.
Again, it was a barge and or

1641
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040
they'd use little gangways to
get the gear down there.

1642
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:26,160
And a lot of people played
there.

1643
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,440
They had the symphonies play
there.

1644
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,640
But it was one of Jimmy
Buffett's favorite places.

1645
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,720
And there's a great shot of him
in the cover of them, I mean,

1646
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,120
Harold jumping off the stage
into the water.

1647
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,080
And people are sitting in there
like little dinghies and little

1648
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,800
tiny boats and inner tubes are
sitting at the, you know, around

1649
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,560
the stage in the water.
But he jumps off the he's

1650
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,080
jumping off the stage into the
water.

1651
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,560
Yeah, Oh my God.
Yeah.

1652
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:48,880
So I didn't think about that.
Yeah.

1653
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,480
So, but it was supposedly made
unusable in the, with one of the

1654
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:56,840
Hurricanes and I wish I could
remember the name of it.

1655
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Oh, it was Andrew, I think was
the hurricane that made it.

1656
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,160
They thought it was unstable.
So they stopped using it.

1657
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,560
It's sat empty for years.
Well, they've been trying to get

1658
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,800
it back in.
There's a group that's been

1659
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,920
trying, trying to get it back in
use for about wow, gosh, like 17

1660
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,840
years.
And they're finally got the city

1661
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,000
of Miami.
So what I did for the city of

1662
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,520
Miami was I went down and looked
at, looked at the building and

1663
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,600
said, you know, I see this as a
destination venue, which I

1664
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,640
really think it is.
And people will be crazy to want

1665
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,880
to play this place.
Excuse me.

1666
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,880
I talked to John Brown at Brown
United about how would you do a

1667
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,240
stage here and blah, blah, blah.
We, we had a lot of ideas, but

1668
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,760
they're started to do some work
on it to, to make sure that it

1669
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,360
is sound.
And apparently it is sound, but

1670
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,480
that's got a few things to be
put together.

1671
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:39,400
So they put an RFP for a
management company or an

1672
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,000
operator to finish the finish
the renovations and get it up

1673
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,120
and running.
And it's amazing.

1674
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:49,240
It's got an incredible view of
the city of Miami and it's 5000

1675
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:50,760
seats.
It's got some amazing graffiti

1676
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,920
on it right now.
If you, if you Google Miami

1677
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,240
Marine Stadium, people have
built painted like a rainbow

1678
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,120
over most of the seats and it's
got really cool graffiti

1679
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,200
actually all over it.
And but it I'd really hope that

1680
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:04,360
they'll be able to get it
together.

1681
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,480
I have a lot of things I want to
do there if they do, but it's

1682
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:07,760
just that'd be.
Amazing.

1683
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,560
Yeah, like I, I had a friend who
was a professional jet ski guy

1684
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,920
and he used to have these jet
ski competitions there, you

1685
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,120
know, where they're doing
backflips and all that stuff on

1686
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,000
jet skis.
And so he used to do shows there

1687
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,880
quite often.
And I went a couple times, but.

1688
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,640
And I remember when the guy died
there as well.

1689
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,280
So yeah.
Yeah, that's a cool place.

1690
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,800
I'm glad they're doing something
with it.

1691
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Oh, I hope, yeah.
I really hope they get it up and

1692
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,920
running.
It's it's really something.

1693
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,280
I just, yeah, I watched and it
was like, Oh my gosh, yes, this

1694
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,960
is, I mean, I my head, my head
spins of all the things I'd like

1695
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,280
to do, but I better keep my
mouth shut because I just tended

1696
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,000
this marketplace.
You're doing it by yourself,

1697
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,320
you've got a partner, you've got
help.

1698
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:49,680
Hopefully.
Yeah, for venue.

1699
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,760
Resource.com, I've had a bunch
of my friends who are most of in

1700
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,880
the business and not working or
whatever helping me source

1701
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,400
venues and things like that.
So like Pennsylvania, we have

1702
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,800
about 1000 venues and vendors
just in Pennsylvania that we've

1703
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,880
sourced.
So we'll be sending them out

1704
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,360
invitations to say, hey, would
you like to list with us?

1705
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
And, you know, trying to make it
very affordable.

1706
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,000
It really is to be a resource.
I mean, when I first brought

1707
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,600
this up at IAVM, somebody in the
room said you're going to be

1708
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:16,880
rich.
And I was like, well, that would

1709
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,480
be nice.
But really the point is to have

1710
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:19,920
something that's going to work
for people.

1711
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,040
Yeah, I mean you can.
Always.

1712
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,200
You can always evolve too, you
know, so you can start it,

1713
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,040
sorry, as the Yellow Pages or
white pages and then evolve it

1714
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,840
into a full on marketplace where
you're connecting this to this,

1715
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,800
to this, to this, to this.
And, and you know, there's

1716
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,480
little fees that can be charged
in there and stuff.

1717
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,560
Because I will tell you like
whatever amount of work you

1718
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,720
think it's going to be right
now, it's about four times that.

1719
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,440
Like the the ambitious things
that you've told me you're going

1720
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:54,240
to do with it, I'm like, whoa,
you know, because pick any two

1721
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,160
of those things.
And it's an enormous

1722
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,400
undertaking.
And so when you add 10 or 12 or

1723
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,680
15 things that you're trying to
connect it, it's it's big.

1724
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,560
It's really, really a big, big
challenge.

1725
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,640
So.
But yeah.

1726
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,000
Yeah, well, and the hard part is
finding somebody who knows how

1727
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,320
to do WordPress, which you're
probably familiar with.

1728
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,360
Apparently 86% of the websites
in the world are on WordPress.

1729
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,000
I'll Google that.
And then also HubSpot, which is

1730
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,240
a, you know, customer retention
management software.

1731
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:27,360
So the things I don't know are
the computer stuff.

1732
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,240
And that's where I've run into
trouble finding things.

1733
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,640
You know, it, it finding, it's
like I, I know what it needs to

1734
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,520
be and what it wants to be.
And then obviously it'll evolve

1735
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,440
into, into more things.
The big thing, like I said, is I

1736
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:39,400
want it to be resources.
I want people to know where they

1737
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,200
can, where they can get training
and how they can, you know, get

1738
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,000
training and find jobs and then
find what they need for

1739
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,400
everything.
And it's, you know, it's

1740
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,560
probably not going to be
everything everybody needs, but

1741
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,400
how deep?
Are you into the building of the

1742
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,080
whole site like is did you just
start or or is it way way deep

1743
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,080
in we're?
Probably 3/4, I would say.

1744
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,800
We'll we'll add features later
on.

1745
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,840
There's definitely features
we'll have later on that I have.

1746
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,920
That's what you should do.
You launch what you call an MVP,

1747
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,000
the minimum minimum viable
product.

1748
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,280
So basically something that
works but has no bells and

1749
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,120
whistles.
And maybe you're doing some

1750
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,560
stuff in the background manually
that looks like it's automated

1751
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,280
or whatever.
Yeah.

1752
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,440
And you got to do that because
you want to test and make sure

1753
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:28,080
that things work.
And that's what people want

1754
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,200
versus this over here.
Because otherwise development

1755
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:34,520
costs can really run completely
out of control.

1756
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,320
You know, it can just get to a
point of being, you know, where

1757
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:42,880
you're suddenly $500,000 in debt
on a, on a project that you're

1758
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,040
trying to build or whatever.
Yeah.

1759
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:50,320
So you know, it, it's, it's a,
it's a love hate relationship I

1760
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:54,520
have with technology and product
development when it comes to

1761
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,960
these sites and stuff.
So.

1762
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,960
No, I keep, I want to talk to
you some more about that because

1763
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,520
you've made this movie and I'm
sort of trying to make this

1764
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,080
movie and in some parts of it
have been easy.

1765
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,840
It's of course, and it's never
what you think it's going to be.

1766
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,680
So yeah, it's.
But like I said, what I've what

1767
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,240
I've just found out is that the
more things come up that people

1768
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,800
that people need that are
actually easy.

1769
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,440
You know, for instance, there's
one named Betty Siegel who is at

1770
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:17,640
the Kennedy Center and she is
the most knowledgeable person

1771
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:22,240
about accessibility and ADA.
And every day she has more

1772
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,040
information.
It's just amazing the things

1773
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,320
she, she comes out with.
And then so I'd like to work

1774
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,440
with her on on being the mouth
for her.

1775
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:30,760
What, you know, how can we get
out this information and, and

1776
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,800
where people can find the
information they need for that,

1777
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,160
those kinds of things.
And, you know, same thing with

1778
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,000
sustainability and all those
things.

1779
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,080
It's really it's, it's, it's a
matchmaking service and

1780
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,960
hopefully people will find what
they need on it.

1781
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,960
And I'll be kind of beta, beta
testing with a bunch of venue

1782
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,680
managers and hopefully vendors,
you know, friends that I have in

1783
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:52,400
the business, Marcel.
And so, you know, so it works

1784
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,800
well for everybody, Yeah.
No, like I said before, sorry

1785
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,800
I'm coughing here, but like I
said before, you know, reach out

1786
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,440
to me anytime.
I'm happy to, to spend some time

1787
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:07,160
with you on talking about, you
know, how all of these things

1788
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,960
come together.
And you know, the bigger

1789
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:16,960
conversation for me would be
around sort of patience and, and

1790
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,480
almost abstinence, you know,
like basically removing things

1791
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,600
before you add things.
So scaling it back before

1792
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,600
scaling it up.
Because whenever you try to do

1793
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,000
too many things, that's when it
gets really super complicated

1794
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,400
and eventually expensive.
When you just try to do one

1795
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,680
thing really, really well and
then you add another thing.

1796
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,440
And then like for example, you
know, when Uber first started,

1797
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,760
you know, they started, I can't
remember exactly, but I think it

1798
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,280
was like 4 city blocks in San
Francisco.

1799
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,800
And then they expanded out to 8
city blocks and then 12 city

1800
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,880
blocks.
And then, you know, and then

1801
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:57,320
eventually they went to another
city and added another city.

1802
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,920
So instead of just saying we're
going to do the entire United

1803
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,720
States right out of the gate,
they knew that that was just too

1804
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,160
much.
So they just, they started from

1805
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,640
a very small scale and then
scaled out from there.

1806
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,760
And so that would be my probably
biggest piece of advice would be

1807
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:20,240
to do less things and do it
really well.

1808
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,560
And then as those things start
to work, then you expand other

1809
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,040
things, other things, other
things, because, you know,

1810
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,040
otherwise it's just going to be
a massive undertaking and you'll

1811
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,720
have a lot of things that don't
work.

1812
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,320
And then what do I do, You know,
now what do I do?

1813
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,880
Which one do I fix you after?
This obviously no worries.

1814
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,440
My wisdom run.
All this after this and show you

1815
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:42,960
some of it and see what you
think I'm.

1816
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:49,520
Very, very giving with my time.
So to to my detriment, probably,

1817
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,520
but yeah.
Well, you're, this is the first

1818
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,680
place I've sort of publicly
announced this.

1819
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,720
That's very cool.
Obviously, I love what you're

1820
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,960
doing.
You could do it much easier.

1821
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,000
You know, I can do it probably
faster and have a lot of money

1822
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,480
to do it.
But I feel like, you know,

1823
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,480
again, it's really meant to be a
resource and really meant to

1824
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:09,240
help people and, and help people
learn, find out where do you

1825
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,360
learn and where do you find this
stuff, you know, and how do you,

1826
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,360
how do you find these things?
And that's the big thing.

1827
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,280
Well.
You know, not only is it my

1828
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,800
business, but I'm a huge fan of
these really focused vertical

1829
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,480
marketplaces and in our
industry.

1830
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:27,160
And so, you know, you've got,
what's her name Nikki doing gigs

1831
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:32,840
and and you've got now sooner
has one around sets and you've

1832
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,760
got, you know, you with venues
and like, I love this kind of

1833
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,800
stuff.
I I think it's very necessary

1834
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,440
because people don't want to go
on Google and look through or

1835
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,040
eBay and look through, you know,
cat toys to try and find a set

1836
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,400
piece that's for sale, used on.
I can't wait to.

1837
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,000
See this especially Sooners
doing it.

1838
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,520
Oh my God, I can't wait because
we all know that some of these

1839
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,840
sets, my old boyfriend, guy
named David Russell was

1840
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,000
production manager, tour
manager, and he would go to Tina

1841
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,280
Turner.
He's like, Oh my gosh, with this

1842
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,720
great staircase, you know, we
don't want somebody just to

1843
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,320
throw it out.
You know, we all know there's

1844
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,520
wonderful, amazing set pieces
out there that people can use.

1845
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,440
I mean, I'd love to do a whole
house out of set pieces.

1846
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,520
It's just things out there.
And I love hearing that they're

1847
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,000
not going to go to waste while
you're.

1848
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,800
Talking.
I'm actually trying to look this

1849
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:21,520
up because we keep talking about
Sooners here.

1850
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,160
It is.
It's called set change.com with

1851
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,040
a dash between set and change.
So it's set hyphen. change.com

1852
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:34,880
is her website.
And yeah, yeah, it's basically

1853
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,200
it's old sets that are no longer
being used or whatever.

1854
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,440
And it's something I always
thought to add to Gear Source,

1855
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,720
my main business, because one
time I was walking through

1856
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:49,680
upstaging with John Huddleston
and I said, what's with all

1857
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,040
those stage decks?
What are those doing there?

1858
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:53,840
And he goes, oh, they belong to
the stones.

1859
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,520
It's part of their set from at
the time, I think it was steel

1860
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,400
wheels or something.
And I said, what are you going

1861
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,080
to do with all that?
And he said, I don't know.

1862
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,720
We're storing it right now for
them because they don't know if

1863
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,680
they want to keep it or get rid
of it or whatever.

1864
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,080
So we're just storing it for
them as a favor.

1865
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,000
And I said, well, you know, that
doesn't sound like a winner.

1866
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,720
And he goes, no, not really.
And so they had come up with an

1867
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:25,080
idea to basically take these 4
by 8 stage decks, put legs on

1868
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,520
them and get the stones
basically to sign them and then

1869
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,960
lacquer over the signatures and
sell these as conference tables

1870
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,600
signed by the rolling.
Stones under a.

1871
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,120
Lacquer top right, Like what a
cool idea.

1872
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,640
And they were going to sell them
for five grand each and they

1873
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,840
took it to the stones and they
just couldn't be bothered.

1874
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,680
They were like, oh, come.
On all right, we don't want to

1875
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:47,760
do that.
For I wonder if he.

1876
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:48,960
Still has them.
Wow.

1877
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,200
Yeah.
The stuff that's sitting in

1878
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,720
people's warehouses is is got to
be amazing.

1879
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,080
Oh, well, yeah, I'm doing too
much on the website.

1880
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,120
But one of the things I do
really want to do is I really

1881
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,840
want to have a place that people
can buy the books of all these

1882
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,080
people that we know.
They're writing books, you know,

1883
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,720
Alan Brantons books.
And, you know, there's so many,

1884
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,400
there's so many cool things out
there that people can find that

1885
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:13,200
have so much information, you
know, and a friend of mine who

1886
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,360
was a tour manager for, like
Joni Mitchell and Crosby Stills

1887
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,760
and Nash, He he ended up working
for Steven Bochco doing

1888
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,840
television, doing.
Oh, gosh.

1889
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,560
What were they called?
The, the really.

1890
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,760
There were big police dramas.
But anyway, he has he has a set

1891
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:27,560
of books.
They're fiction.

1892
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,120
But, you know, I just think it
would be fun to have a place

1893
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:31,840
where you can find all our
friends books.

1894
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:32,520
Yeah.
An industry.

1895
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,120
Bookstore, Yeah, Yeah, that's a
cool idea.

1896
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,080
Yeah.
Well, good luck with that.

1897
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,520
I I wish you well.
I think it's a necessary, I

1898
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,840
think it's a great idea and and
a necessary tool for the

1899
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,000
industry and, and I hope you do
really well with it and it'll

1900
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,000
keep you connected to people
too, which is fun.

1901
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:50,840
Thank you.
Well.

1902
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,640
I really appreciate, I
appreciate letting me talk about

1903
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,040
it.
Like I said, it's hopefully

1904
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,960
going to be live beginning of
the year or so and cool, good

1905
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,800
luck.
So yeah, I'll be asking.

1906
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,560
And The thing is too, it's like
contribute to it.

1907
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,640
If I've missed, if there's a
venue you know about, tell us

1908
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:03,880
about it.
You know, if there's a vendor

1909
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,920
you know about that we don't
know about, tell us about it.

1910
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,840
If it's especially the hometown
heroes, because we may not get

1911
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,320
those, you know, as much.
So we're really hoping people

1912
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,760
will contribute to it in that
way when it's ready.

1913
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,160
To launch, let us know and we'll
we'll you know, share it out on,

1914
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,560
on our socials and stuff like
that as well to help you get it

1915
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:21,960
out there.
Yeah, thank.

1916
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,120
You.
Well, of course we're gonna be

1917
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,080
bugging you for your opinion on
these things soon, yeah?

1918
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,080
Well, and I'll see you in a
couple weeks in Vegas.

1919
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,360
Yeah, Yeah, I know.
I'm so excited it's going to be.

1920
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:30,440
Good.
It's going to be good.

1921
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,080
Well, thank you so much, Nancy.
It's been a blast talking to

1922
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,160
you, learning a little bit about
your story.

1923
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,560
You have an incredible story.
You're you're a big ball of

1924
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,400
energy for sure.
And and you've done so many cool

1925
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,880
things.
And I can't wait to see like if

1926
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,040
they're, whether they're young
ladies or young men, like I, I

1927
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,560
don't see, I always, you know,
I'm sort of when it comes to

1928
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,440
people, you know, male, female,
black, white, I don't care like

1929
01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:00,080
it, you know, everyone's just a
person.

1930
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,040
So whether people gravitate to a
woman or to a man to learn from

1931
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,520
shouldn't make much difference
in my opinion.

1932
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,560
But I think if there are young
ladies there, they're going to

1933
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,120
be really anxious to talk with
you because there are

1934
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,640
challenges.
Obviously, still, even 2025,

1935
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,440
there are still challenges for
women coming up through our

1936
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:23,840
industry.
You know, the, the, all the

1937
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,520
usual, you know, stereotypes and
everything else and, and then,

1938
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,520
you know, sexual advances and,
and just all the different stuff

1939
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,760
that happens to a woman that
doesn't necessarily happen to a

1940
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,840
man.
And, and so to be able to talk

1941
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,320
through that with some of the,
the young folks coming into the

1942
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,840
industry, I think is fabulous.
And it's a huge, huge value to

1943
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,880
those people.
And you'll probably get a lot

1944
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,360
out of it too, so.
I hope so.

1945
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:51,800
I mean, I do.
I really want people to

1946
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,040
encourage to, to try it out and
try things.

1947
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,480
And that's the thing too.
You'll try things.

1948
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,800
You'll find what you like and as
important what you don't like.

1949
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,440
But you know, try everything and
learn everything as much as you

1950
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:03,640
can.
You don't even have to do it.

1951
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,960
Just I mean, I, I vocabulary is
half of it.

1952
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,240
Knowing what stuff is you know
and it ain't easy do.

1953
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,880
With that, because some of it
ain't obvious either, you know,

1954
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,040
like, what the hell is that?
Well, especially in your

1955
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,880
business, I mean, lighting
changes every 5 minutes and I'll

1956
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,600
hear about this aerotron or
something.

1957
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,120
I have no idea what this stuff
is.

1958
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,080
OK is that I'm moving on.
I can't begin to trust.

1959
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,840
Me, I don't even try to pay
attention anymore because I'm

1960
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,680
involved on the business side of
the business.

1961
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,760
So I've I've had to give up on
learning every new product every

1962
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,080
time 1 comes out or whatever.
I had to give up on it.

1963
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,840
So I let the young kids do that
stuff now.

1964
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,000
All right, Nancy, I'll see you
in a couple weeks.

1965
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:43,600
Thanks so much for doing this.
It was fun.

1966
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,040
Thank you.
Sir, take care.

1967
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:46,280
Have fun.
All right, you.

1968
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,160
Too.
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1969
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connections in this business,
you can offer a discount and get

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paid real money when your
friends sign up.

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It's as simple as that.
Gearshare is expanding globally,

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helping companies to reduce
CapEx, increase utilization, and

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keep shows rolling smarter.
Check it out and join the

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disruption at Gearshare dot
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