#334 - Howard Ungerleider - The legacy of Rush - Howard’s Journey

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When the president saw these
initials, he's like, who the

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Hell's initials are these?
And they went, oh, it's the kid

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in the mail room.
And then I got called into the

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office and I yelled at actually
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He said, you know, you know, you
know what it takes to be an

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agent.
You don't even have any

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experience.
And you brought this show in.

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How did you even know about this
show?

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So you were yelling at everybody
in the Tuesday meeting, and I

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was taking care of some mail,
and I overheard you.

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So I figured I'd help you out.
So from that point on, it was

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just a steady rise.
This company was called the ATI,

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American Talent International,
the owner, and all of a sudden

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we were one of the biggest
agencies in North America.

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They actually took on Rush.
You know, when I'm recording

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these podcasts, every once in a
while there's one that you kind

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of circle on the calendar and
really look forward to and for

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multiple reasons.
First of all, this gentleman's a

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good friend of mine for many,
many years now.

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I think he's an extremely
talented designer, but he's also

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a really funny and great guy and
I just love spending time with

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him both on the podcast and in
person.

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So today on Geese of Gear, we're
talking with a true legend of

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live production, Howard
Ungerleider, the man behind the

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lights for Rush for over 40
years, from their very first

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tour in 1974 to massive world
stages, Howard helped define

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what a rock show could look and
feel like, blending music,

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technology and pure imagination.
And with Rush announcing a

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return to the road next year
with their 50 something tour,

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we're diving into the stories,
the innovation and the magic

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that shaped one of rock's most
iconic life experiences.

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So please join me in welcome Mr.
Howard Ungerleider.

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Howard, how are you today?
Marcel, I am fine.

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How about you?
I'm friggin fantastic.

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It's awesome.
It's another day.

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I feel like we just did this
but.

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You know this is Groundhog Day,
buddy.

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This is Groundhog Day, so just
so everyone else knows what

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we're talking about, we tried
doing this yesterday and one or

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both of us had some sort of a
weird Internet problem and we

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just kept disappearing from the
screen and all kinds of fun

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things happening.
So we just decided let's try

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another day and show you.
Here we are on Day 2 of

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recording Howard's fabulous
podcast.

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So, Howard, first I must ask
you, you live downtown Toronto,

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right?
Yeah, I live right on the lake

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now, Tom.
So you got to experience this

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whole mayhem of the World Series
over the past couple.

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Years World Series.
Yeah, I I'm sure it was pretty

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fun.
Like, how far are you from the

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Skydome?
About, I would say three blocks

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away.
Wow, so people are walking by

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your house, you know, throwing
drinks and.

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Dressed up.
Don't forget it was Halloween

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also, so the combination of all
the Blue Jays and the Halloween

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costumes.
I can only imagine.

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Yeah, I can only imagine.
You know, I'm not a baseball

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fan, but all my friends who were
either going to the games or, or

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certainly into it and all my
family, you know, my, my

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sister's a huge baseball fan and
stuff.

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And so I've been paying
attention and I've been a bit

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patriotic, you know, like
whenever it's Canada versus the

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US, even though I've spent more
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this point in my life, I
generally go for Canada, whether

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it's the Olympics or, you know,
whatever it is.

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I usually other than politics
gets a little weird but, but

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generally I'm I'm choosing
Canada over the US in all sports

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and stuff.
So I was definitely going for

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the Blue Jays, even though I
didn't watch a minute of the

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series, but.
I was, it was one of the

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backgrounds.
It was.

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It was the best World Series
I've ever experienced, actually.

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And you're a fan, right?
Oh yeah, I love, I love watching

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the Blue Jays, 100%.
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I'm not a big sports guy, but I
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playoffs and World Series.
Was that because of Getty?

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No, no, it's just just, you
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and I was growing up in New
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take me to the Polo Grounds.
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You know, and that I don't know
if you know what that is because

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you're not a baseball guy.
It was one of the most iconic

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places where the Yankees first
started playing before they

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built Yankee Stadium.
Oh, really?

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Yeah, so he used to take me
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I was always interested in
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I actually played baseball in
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Wow, yes, I mean, I, I grew up
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wasn't a thing, you know, it
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Like I remember, you know, my
cousins and stuff from from

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Eastern Canada were all either
Expos or, or Blue Jays fans.

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But I just, I was always a
hockey guy.

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I I never got into baseball in
my whole life and still not

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today, so, but yeah.
Hockey is a religion here in

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Canada.
It certainly is.

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It certainly is.
And and you know, my team here

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in Florida, it's been fun
because I get up to Canada end

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of May, beginning of June, I get
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And of course, you know, the
last two years it's been the US

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against Canada.
And when it's my team in the US

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being the Florida Panthers and
they're going against the team

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that I was always, you know, a
big rival of because I'm a

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Flames fan, you know, so I
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There was just no way it was
going to happen.

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So I got beat up pretty good the
last two years because, you

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know, basically the, the series,
the final series with Florida

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against Edmonton happened right
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And so it was a lot of fun.
It was, I'd go out with my

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Panthers hoodie on or T-shirts
or whatever and it'd be like

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Panthers, you're in the wrong
place for that.

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And I'm like.
No drinks.

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No drinks for you, buddy.
Yeah, yeah, it's funny, but I

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took a lot of shit though.
Even just going out for walks

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during the day and stuff, people
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the wrong shirt there, buddy,
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anything South of like red beer.
You didn't used to mention the

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Oilers.
Like they just were not a thing.

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Everyone hated them, right?
Except for people in Edmonton

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and but I guess Canada being as
patriotic as it is an anti

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American and stuff right now.
Like they all jumped on board

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with with the Oilers.
Something very anti American.

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They just they're not liking
what they're seeing, but they're

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not.
Yeah, well, I just shortened it

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a little without getting into
all the details that, you know,

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the anti American thing.
I don't think, no, I, I mean, I

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certainly don't get that feeling
when I'm up there and people

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know that I live in the United
States or whatever.

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But yeah, I mean, there's
certain, I think it's more anti

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Trump than it is anti American.
Obviously there's a lot of

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people up there that don't like
him, except in Alberta.

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In Alberta, he's pretty popular,
but he's very.

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Popular in Alberta.
Yeah, yeah, 'cause Alberta's

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quite conservative.
I stay away from all those

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politics.
I try to, yeah, I try to.

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It's, you know, I live in
Florida, so it's, it's a little

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tough to, you know, stay away
from politics, I guess.

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But I mean, you know, with our
industry, as passionate as it is

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and everything, I, I don't like
to get into any of that stuff.

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It, it doesn't matter to me.
I'm not going to choose friends

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based on politics or customers
based on politics.

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It's just not how I operate.
So yeah, it was actually never

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really a thing for me.
So the other thing I wanted to,

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to talk about a little bit is I
know for the last few years

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anyways, you've been pretty
focused on another four letter

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band tool and they're, I think
they're a client of your, your

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business, right, your laser
companies.

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Oh, we have a company.
I have a partner myself.

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We have a company called
Production Design International

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and we do lasers.
We're basically a laser company

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and we've done acts like Foo
Fighters.

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We do stools since 2006.
And you know, we do Dan's like

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DJs like Kygo and some, we do
the Valve Festival up here.

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We do a lot and a lot of motion
pictures.

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So they know.
The company's been around since

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1994, so it's about 32 years
now.

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That's crazy.
You know, so many people, I

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think, think of you as just a
lighting designer, right?

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And and you've been a production
manager and you've been so many

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different things in touring.
But also, you know, you've had

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this laser company like you were
doing lasers.

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I remember before lasers were
cool, you know, back when it was

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weird guys in lab coats that did
lasers, you know?

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Yeah, well, you know something.
Speaking of the weird guys in

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lab coats, I did, I was tour
managing for a friend of mine,

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Blue Oyster Coal, and they had a
laser and they had a guy named

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Doctor David Alfonte out there.
And he had one of the old, you

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know, the old school lasers that
we we all own at one point in

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time where it was, you know,
water and power joining together

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into the power supply because
you had a water cooled.

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What could go wrong?
Yeah.

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I mean, you know, you had to be
an electrician and a plumber

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back then and you had to carry
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Cases that would weigh like 600
lbs would be forklifts to get

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move it.
You know, it's kind of a it's

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kind of the beginning of the
laser revolution.

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And there were companies out
there like laser Media, you

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know, and it was just, it was
pretty fantastic back then, a

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lot of work.
Now it has been revolutionized

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to the point where it's like you
can plug it into a wall outlet.

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Yeah, they're just, they're
self-contained boxes and even

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the software has gotten much
better and the control systems

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and everything have gotten
better.

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The scanning devices have gotten
better, all of it, just like

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moving lights and anything else,
right?

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Technology advances.
Yeah.

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So now I'm I'm, I'm known as a
leisure salesman now it's like.

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That's funny.
It's kind of funny.

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People go do you do lights?
Well, we don't want you doing

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lights.
You're a laser guy.

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We'll get our own lighting guy.
That's funny.

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That's fun.
Hey, no problem.

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I'll just sit over here and
smoke a cigar and do lasers

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then.
How's that?

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Yeah.
But I remember, I remember doing

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an interview with a, a local,
you know, a Canadian band up

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here and they said, well, who
have you done before for

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lighting?
And I said, well, you know, I've

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done rushed in their whole
career.

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And they went, oh, somebody, can
you tell me something that

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you've done that's new?
And he's like, he's crazy,

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really.
And he's like, yeah, he goes

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anybody contemporary, you know,
had you done anything with, you

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know, tragically hit at the
time?

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And I went, yeah, I actually
have done some stuff with

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tragically.
Yeah.

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I said well, yeah, we're looking
for a much younger person to do

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lighting.
Oh my goodness.

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And I'm like, well, OK, and
then, you know, that's what

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you'll get.
Yeah.

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Should I see you now or a little
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You know, that's that's wild.
Have you done anyone, you know,

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younger than Russia?
Like, I mean, I don't know, you

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know, who's more famous than
Russia in Canada, maybe Justin

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Bieber or something, but not
very many people are are bigger

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than Russia in Canada.
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People would want a year right
now.

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I mean, it's like it's, it's a
whole new world, you know, since

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EDM has come into play.
And I'm noticing a lot of the

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young lighting designers, that's
all they really grew up knowing

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EDM shows.
So while they're whoever they

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do, it just looks like a
glorified EDM show.

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Kind of does, doesn't it?
Like that is that is getting,

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you know, I don't want to bag on
lighting designers or anything,

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but I find that whether it's a
country show, a rock show, a pop

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show, so many of them are just
completely, you know,

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ubiquitous.
They look the same like.

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It's I mean, and the, and the
creative lighting design, I

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mean, there's a lot of people
still doing it that are that are

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out there.
Like, I love Tobias Ryland and

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he's like, great, you know?
Who's he work with?

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I don't know him.
No, he used to work with Roy

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Bennett for a long time.
That's his own, who he is, yeah.

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Yeah, he has his own company
now.

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He does the 1975 and a bunch of
other acts and he's just really

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innovative and you know, and so
is Roy for that matter.

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You know, the and push the
envelope.

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You know, Mark Brickman is
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Pushes the envelope and I love
to push the envelope.

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What defines excellence?
Is it found in form, function,

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or sheer strength?
Perhaps it calls for more.

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It's unconventional, searching
beyond what can be seen.

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It moves with grace, intent and
versatility.

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While others are content to
remain unchanged, A true hero

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rejects the ordinary and
embraces transformation.

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They ascend and become the
paragon.

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Yeah, but yet some of those guys
are are people who struggle to

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get work, you know, and and.
We all struggle to get no, but

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it's.
Weird.

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It like that to me is weird.
Like if I was a young band going

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out, I'd want the guy that did
Rush or Pink Floyd or you know,

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any of these iconic artists with
hugely complicated shows and

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stuff.
Like if you can do that, you can

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do my ACT for sure, right.
So yeah, that's another weird

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thing about our business right
now is, is there are so many

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talented, like incredibly
talented, legendary sort of

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people who are just kind of
being shelved right now.

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And I don't see it happening as
much in audio.

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Like you still see a lot of
older front of house engineers

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out there, but less lighting
people.

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And that's tragic, you know,
because I'd still rather see

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Howard Ungerleider or or Cosmo
Wilson or Peter Morris light a

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rock show then then, you know,
Joey Smith, the guy that just,

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you know, came out of high
school or whatever.

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And that's nothing against young
designers.

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That'll earn your way up.
You know, and those and, and,

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and those guys are worth
mentioning because they're

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great, you know?
Yeah, yeah, you.

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Know there's a There's a handful
of great designers out there and

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even some young, like back to
Winsky is a good designer.

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You know, he's a young guy and
he's great and there are a lot

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of great young guys.
You just have to find them.

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Matt's going to love that.
You just said that.

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He's going to like he's going
to.

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He's a good guy, you know?
Yeah, man, he's a good dude.

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You just say that because he's a
hog guy though, don't you?

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No.
Are you still a hog guy?

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Yeah, yeah, there's a reason.
There's a reason for that.

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What is that?
The reason is there's physical

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structure of the console like,
you know, I'm, I've been on

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anime boards, you know, and I
just don't like where the where

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they put the the hand rest up
against those touch buttons.

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I'm a pretty hands on guy with
the touch buttons and you know,

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I'd like to use an expansion
wing and hog has expansion

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wings, which which are great and
the the buttons on the hog.

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I originally, you know, when was
a high end product, I actually

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steered the process of getting
those touch buttons because able

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was using those same touch
buttons on their consoles and I

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used to have evil consoles prior
to that.

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So I made the hog put in those
same touch buttons.

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They had a little Click to it,
but I find on the on the MAS,

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the buttons are very sensitive
and they have the little dip in

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on the on the top and if you
hover your hand over it, the

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lights will start flashing and
wow, it's just yeah.

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It's funny, you know, like I,
you guys are all very like

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creatures of habit in a sense.
You guys being people who are

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running these consoles, lighting
director folks, you know, when

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they went from the 2 to the
three, like a lot of it was just

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syntax that people freaked out
about.

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You know, it was just like it
was first you do this, then you

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do this.
Oh well, on the new one, first

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you do this twice and then you
do this.

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And you know when it's stuff
that you just have muscle memory

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on and all of a sudden they've
changed all of that.

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People rebelled against it for
literally years like a Cove.

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It certainly didn't help either,
but.

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Well, it's like, you know, now
they have the now the consoles

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with this button does this,
this, this and this, Adam,

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hundreds of other things, Yeah.
Or you could have it over here

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and they can do the exact same
thing as this button over here.

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Yeah, yeah.
So there's so many variables,

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yeah, that you can use that.
It's just it's what could be

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overwhelming to some people.
Yeah.

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You know and you know I.
Especially us, us older guys who

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don't don't like that much
change all at once, you know,

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Don't make me relearn how to use
my computer, you know?

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Please listen I was invited once
to fly the space shuttle

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simulator.
I had the opportunity to go

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there and my copilot was John
Young, one of the original Jesus

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pilots of the space shuttle.
That's.

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Wild.
You know, and I looked at, I

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looked in the, in the, in the
shuttle, I was looking around at

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them thinking to myself, wow,
all these buttons that are on

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here look like they've done in
the 1950s or 60s aircraft.

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And I said I was, I was thinking
this would be so high tech.

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You know, it's the space show,
right?

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So I look, I look over John
Young and I said, hey, is there

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any reason why all these
controls look really old?

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And he looked at me and he said,
yeah, there is a reason.

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The reason is we know they work.
That's true too.

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That's true too.
They've had the test of time and

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that's what it was.
So yeah, I'll, I'll use a hog

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because I know it works.
Because it's comfortable.

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What I want to do on it?
Yeah, well, it's like, you know,

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that pair of jeans too, that you
just love, you know, they just

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feel right and, and you've worn
them in perfectly and everything

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else.
But have you moved to the new

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Hogs yet?
Not yet.

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I'm I'm still on the floor.
Yeah.

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Because I know it works.
Yeah.

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Yeah, you know, and.
Yeah, I get it, man, I get it.

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And you know, I, I don't know
why the whole world went to MA 3

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and MA 2 and all that stuff.
I guess you know it, it does

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something for them that they
thought other things didn't or

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whatever.
You know, I have a theory in my

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head because you know now that
Avo is owned by by Roby and.

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You know, Avo is kind of the odd
man out right now.

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Like as hard as they try and as
big a manufacturer and powerful

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as Roby is, it's not easy to get
people to use a different

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console.
It's really, really hard.

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It's like an operating system on
a computer.

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Try and convert Windows people
to Mac or whatever.

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It's hard.
It's very hard to do because

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you're making people again,
change your entire habits how

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how you do things right.
And I think most of the young

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generation, the console of
choice when they were coming

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into, you know, their own, what
was the grandma?

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Yeah.
And you know, and they learned

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their their trade on that
console.

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So they'll always use that
console.

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And it became a very popular
console.

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Yeah, well, and, and you know,
you on the other hand, and me,

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like I remember being at
upstaging the first time I saw

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the Hog one, it was Nick Sholam
getting ready for the Eagles and

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saw the him working out the Hog
1.

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And I'm like, what the hell is
this thing?

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And I met Nils and, you know, it
was really cool.

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And and then I remember seeing
the Hog 2 shortly after and that

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just really revolutionized
consoles.

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Like it just changed the whole
industry.

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Like suddenly people could make
money as programmers, you know,

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and and they were getting paid
pretty well all of a sudden,

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right.
And.

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I think I've used almost every
board that was out there.

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I even invented my own boards if
you get it.

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I remember.
Yeah, with C factor, right.

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Yeah, with C factor, Yeah, I had
boards that had joysticks on it,

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pin matrixes, you know, chases
to the pin matrixes.

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What was that C factor board
called?

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Well, that's no.
The one you're thinking of was

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the light coordinator, but I
never used that.

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Oh, you didn't?
I thought you were part of the

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person who designed that.
No, I, I designed the earlier

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consoles before that actually
before automation and I created

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these custom wood.
They're still hanging on the

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wall at C factor.
I remember first time I ever

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went through C factor with Bob
and it was like 1991, maybe 92,

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and he was showing me those
consoles and say, yeah, we built

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these things for Rush.
And I was like, wow, you know,

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me being the Canadian bass
player, singer guy, it was all

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in awe.
I didn't know you yet.

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And and so that was pretty
exciting.

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Those were exciting times.
You know, I mean, when I started

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doing rock, I just had turned
22, so I was, you know, fairly

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young.
And before that I was an agent

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in New York.
You know, I started as

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delivering teas and coffee.
I don't think a lot of people

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know that story.
I know you told it on my podcast

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before, and I was blown away by
it.

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But yeah, you were an agent
sitting in your office while you

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didn't have an office because
you were delivering teas and

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coffees.
Well, before, yeah, I was

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delivering teas and coffee and I
was taking care of the mail.

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I was in the mailroom.
Yeah.

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You know, And then you know,
they would have their Tuesday

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afternoon meetings or morning
meetings, but all the agents

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would get yelled at by the
presidents of the company

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because they didn't bring in
enough of the the ACT work.

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But I overheard it one day when
I went out and I secured a gig

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for Fleetwood Mac and turned in
a contract to the contract

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department.
And they said, where's your

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deposit on this?
And I said, oh, it didn't get

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one.
They said we're not turning this

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in till you get a deposit.
Go back and tell them you want a

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certified check from at least
half of this.

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I said from.
Fleetwood Mac.

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Your Fleetwood Mac was a
Fleetwood Mac package.

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They had a band called Flash
opening for them at the time.

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And so I put the package
together and I got, I received

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the deposit from this.
It was a university.

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And I put it in and they put my
initials on it.

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And when the president saw these
initials, he's like, who the

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Hell's initials are these?
And they went, oh, it's the kid

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in the mailroom.
And then I got called into the

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office and I yelled at actually
by the guy.

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And he said, you know, you know,
you know what it takes to be an

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agent.
You don't even have any

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experience.
And you brought this show in.

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How did you even know about this
show?

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Said you were yelling at
everybody in the Tuesday

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meeting.
And I was taking care of some

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mail, and I overheard you.
So I figured I'd help you out.

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So from that point on, it was
just a steady rise.

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Wow, that's amazing.
How the hell did you get

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Fleetwood Mac?
Like, how did that come

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together?
It was one, it was one of their

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bands that they represented, you
know, agents representing these

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sign acts to their to their
company.

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And this company was called the
ATI American Talent

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International, the owner.
They had three partners in

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there, Jeff Franklin, guy named
Saul Sapien and Ira Blocker.

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The three of them ran the
company.

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But one day Franklin went to
went to England and signed 60

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bands and brought it back to him
and all of a sudden we were one

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of the biggest agencies in North
America.

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Wow.
They're the ones that actually

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took on Rush.
And, you know, they said to me,

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00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,920
I guess because I was probably
the youngest guy there and they

447
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,840
said get in my office, I want to
want to talk to you and said,

448
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:48,680
yeah, So he said, OK, I have an
offer for you.

449
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,200
And I said, I have two offers.
And I said, what's that?

450
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,840
He goes, you can get on a plane
in a week, go up to Canada and

451
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,960
work for a club band called
Rush.

452
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,920
And I said, what's the other one
goes?

453
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,360
You're fired.
You pick.

454
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,000
Oh.
Damn, yeah, those are good.

455
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,800
Options.
He was just just told I had to

456
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520
go up there, so I did.
In hindsight, you made a pretty

457
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,160
good choice.
I didn't even know who the band

458
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,840
was back then.
Yeah, well, no one they.

459
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,520
Hadn't even come out really
they.

460
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,960
Yeah, no one did.
I had one album and I guess it

461
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:29,200
was played at WMMS in Cleveland
who broke Rush by Donna Halpern,

462
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,640
who was the the person there at
the time that was spinning the.

463
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,120
Program.
Director.

464
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,240
Yeah, program director.
And the rest was history.

465
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:46,160
Cliff Bernstein was at Mercury
Records, heard it, loved it, and

466
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,840
she put Cliff together to sign
Rush to Mercury Records in 74.

467
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,320
And that's what I I was injected
into it in July of 74.

468
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,040
And there was no Internet or
anything, so it's not like you

469
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,600
could just go out and do
research.

470
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Who are these guys in Russia or
whatever.

471
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,000
So no, you just walked in
completely blind, right?

472
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,400
And not only was there no
Internet, there was no drummer,

473
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,600
because John and John Rutsey,
their original drummer, had left

474
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,120
the band.
Yeah, and they were auditioning

475
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,080
drummers, right?
Right.

476
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,400
And So what were you being sent
there to do?

477
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Just babysit.
Tour Manage.

478
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,680
Get.
Them ready to tour because they

479
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,520
had been they were playing club
circuits across Canada so they

480
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,360
really hadn't had any
professional touring and I had a

481
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,920
bunch of professional touring,
you know working for the agency

482
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440
and they would send me all over
the place make collecting money

483
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,760
from promoters and you know
didn't pay the time it's.

484
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,560
Funny.
Oh no, it was a really good

485
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,120
experience.
Nice experience.

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507
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Yeah.
Tell me what it was like when

508
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,400
you got there and you, you meet
these guys and they weren't

509
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,720
wearing like, silk kimonos yet
or anything.

510
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,880
They were.
But they were, they were weird.

511
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,120
They were weird.
They were different.

512
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200
They were, they were electric,
that's for sure.

513
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:35,120
And, you know, the we got along
very well, accepted the fact

514
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,760
that they had this thing about
Americans thinking everything is

515
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,520
great.
They would they referred to me

516
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,680
as our our token yank.
And they said, you know, because

517
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,360
one time I was up here and and
when I first met Raj and Getty

518
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,160
was living on Yonge St. north of
the city in Willowdale and used

519
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000
to tell me if you want a good
pizza, it's right down the

520
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,680
street.
It's called pizza pizza.

521
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,840
And I went really?
And he goes, yeah, that's really

522
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,400
good.
So I go there and it was like,

523
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,280
really not my favorite.
It was actually quite awful.

524
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,480
Well, you're coming from New
York too, right?

525
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,120
I'm.
Coming from the yeah where they

526
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,240
make real pizza.
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,520
So I went back and I said, man,
this pizza is not close to what

528
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,160
we have down in New York.
Oh are you fucking Yanks and

529
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,760
blah blah blah.
That's.

530
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Hilarious.
Think everything is better down

531
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,400
there?
I said, when you get down there,

532
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,840
I'll, I will turn you on to the
pizza that you'll enjoy.

533
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,040
You know, so I was like, you're
sort of scout leader.

534
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,720
He was, I grew up my my dad was
a drill Sergeant, you know, and

535
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,360
I used to get drilled to bed and
my dad was in always had this

536
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,640
heavy duty to instill honor,
loyalty, you know, dedication,

537
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,760
you know, work ethic.
And it was drilled into me quite

538
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,560
heavily.
So I just looked at this whole

539
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,040
thing as a sort of like a
military installation.

540
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,360
And we're just going to go out.
We're going to do 200 cities a

541
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,960
year and I'll take charge and
make sure everything happens.

542
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,040
And it was quite units along the
way.

543
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Yeah, that's hilarious.
So when when did the when did

544
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,520
your nickname come about Hearns?
That was a very, you know, I try

545
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,640
to tell someone the story, but I
guess you have to be really old

546
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,160
and a geezer to understand it.
Because when I tell the story to

547
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,720
people.
I just had an interview with the

548
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Toronto Star and that same
question came up from the

549
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,880
interviewer.
And as I'm speaking with him, he

550
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,240
didn't know what I was referring
to when I was mentioning certain

551
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,680
TV shows and certain actors like
Dudley Moore and, you know, the

552
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,920
Goon shows.
And I was mentioning all these

553
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,240
things that were happening in
England.

554
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,120
And he had no clue.
So I said to him, like, just

555
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,240
excuse me for a minute.
Can I ask you how old you are?

556
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,360
And you want 25?
I said well that explains.

557
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,200
It that's.
Why you don't know this?

558
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Well, what happened was there,
there's a musician who's out

559
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,000
there who was quite phenomenal
named Ryan Auger, the Jazz B3

560
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,920
player.
And he was with them in the

561
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,000
early 70s, well 60s and 70s.
He was with a woman named Julie

562
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,400
Driscoll and they wrote a song
called Season of the Witch.

563
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,800
It was a big hit.
But Brian is jazz V3 player,

564
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,360
incredible.
And he's actually the one who

565
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,120
taught Keith Anderson how to
play B3.

566
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Oh jeez.
And I was the tour manager for

567
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Brian Auger prior to Rush, and
Brian would watch this show

568
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360
called the Goon Shows with
Douglas Moore back in Newland.

569
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,680
And they had a character called
Sergeant Hearns that would bark

570
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,120
out orders to people.
So he would call me Hearns

571
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,880
because I was always barking
water orders.

572
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Like you got to wake up at 4:00
in the morning so we can make

573
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,680
this.
You can get in the van and leave

574
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,840
in the next city so we can make
it on time and you know, things

575
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,800
like that.
So that name came from him, not

576
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,200
from Rush.
Right.

577
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,520
But one day, the agency put him
on as an opening act for Rush.

578
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,800
When I was in the dressing room
with Getty.

579
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,680
That's weird.
He.

580
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Poked his head in and he won.
Hearns, how you doing?

581
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520
And then Getty and Alex went,
what did he just call you?

582
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Yeah.
And I went, oh, here we go.

583
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,760
Yeah.
And that name just stuck after

584
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160
that.
Forever, forever.

585
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Do they still call you that or
do they call you?

586
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Yeah, they still call you.
Emails.

587
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Yeah, I get emails.
It's OK.

588
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,040
I call Getty Dirk.
So it's like.

589
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,280
You call him Dirk.
But yeah, we have nicknames

590
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,920
every.
Everybody has like 10 different

591
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,360
names.
That's funny.

592
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,720
Oh yeah, we call each other
different names also.

593
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,840
Where's Dirk come from?
Forget.

594
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,840
That's Neil appeared.
Called Dirk.

595
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,000
OK, yeah.
And was Neil called anything

596
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,320
other than the professor?
Tratt.

597
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,600
I knew that.
I actually knew that.

598
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,560
And then Alex was called Lurks.
Yeah, I knew that one too.

599
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,080
I made that one up and.
Where did that come from?

600
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,800
I came from some friends that I
used to have that used to always

601
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,880
end everything with an XSD at
the end of whatever word they

602
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,840
said and so on.
I would just call him that.

603
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Just everything caught catches
on.

604
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,719
He just seemed like alert.
Yeah, so, you know, growing

605
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,800
like, you know, I grew up in
cars, vans, motorhomes and buses

606
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,800
with these guys for the month my
most of my life.

607
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,800
Yeah, it really is incredible,
you know that that's it.

608
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,719
It's really, I know you don't
think much of that because it

609
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,320
was your whole life, right?
Like, so you watch them grow up,

610
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,680
you watch them get big, you
watch them get huge from there,

611
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,440
and then you kind of watch them,
you know, you watched all of the

612
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,240
different stages of it first
hand.

613
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:09,280
You were sitting right there.
So it doesn't probably faze you

614
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,960
so much until some fanboy like
me comes along and goes.

615
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,960
But what was he like, you know,
or whatever, right?

616
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,680
Like, 'cause I grew up on the
other side of all of this,

617
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,440
growing up in in Alberta, a bass
player and singer, You know

618
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,440
what, what choice did I have but
to become a huge Rush fan,

619
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,760
right?
Like right at that time by the

620
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,720
way too, you know, and.
We're a hockey player, one of

621
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:37,240
the two, you know?
I I sucked at sports, so I

622
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,360
wasn't the greatest musician in
the world either.

623
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,640
But but, you know, I bought
Taurus pedals and and a keyboard

624
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,240
that went and I had to learn
that whole way.

625
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Dear, dear.
And, you know, I never played in

626
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,880
a Rush tribute band because I
just probably wasn't good

627
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,760
enough.
But.

628
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,560
And plus, there weren't really
many back then.

629
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,680
Like there was Clique and and I
didn't know of any other ones in

630
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,200
in Western Canada at the time.
Now they're a dime a dozen.

631
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,760
They're everywhere and they're
really good.

632
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Like, there are some.
Yeah.

633
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,840
I just saw one yesterday.
I think I'd seen them before.

634
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,320
They wear like, coveralls,
orange coveralls, like Devo.

635
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Oh.
Yeah, well, you know, they what

636
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,960
they were doing.
They're wearing the coveralls

637
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,200
from the moving pictures.
I never even put that together.

638
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,840
That's hilarious.
Wow, that's.

639
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Why they wear the coveralls?
Because of, Yeah.

640
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,920
But you know, the long point is
that you lived all of that stuff

641
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,360
with those guys, which is which
is so cool.

642
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,280
And I'm sure going through it,
it was just a job and all that

643
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,960
stuff.
But.

644
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,840
No, they were like brothers, you
know, it was like having, you

645
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,400
know, three brothers to hang
with.

646
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,280
Everybody would always cut each
other off.

647
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,800
They needed a, you know, make
sarcastic comments to each

648
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,520
other.
And I can't imagine that from

649
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,320
you well.
Me.

650
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Well, you've got quite a sense
of humor and stuff, so I I can

651
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,680
imagine that you were right in
there with them on that stuff.

652
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,080
We're all in there.
You know, we used to drive

653
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,120
around in the rental cars, and
we had this fluorescent light

654
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,560
that was in the backseat so Neil
could read while we were driving

655
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,400
down the road for 500 miles.
And everybody would be getting

656
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,200
out of their minds on the way,
you know?

657
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,120
And.
Yeah.

658
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,880
Except you, because you were
driving, of course.

659
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,920
I'm responsible.
I'm not in my mind anyway, so

660
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,560
you're.
You're responsible for a lot of

661
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,320
things.
Like I remember when I watched

662
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,280
the the, what was it called?
All the World's a stage or

663
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,360
whatever the the documentary.
Yeah.

664
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,440
And you know you.
Were a couple.

665
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:50,000
You kept appearing in there and
it's amazing how big a part of

666
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,160
the story you really were, you
know, and are I should say, but

667
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,760
I, I remember either reading or
seeing on that show or something

668
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,160
that you're the one who who
taught them that they could get

669
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000
bottles of booze on their on
their rider.

670
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Oh yeah.
They could get, they could order

671
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,320
bottles of whatever they wanted
to their dressing room and they

672
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,440
were like, really?
And then they started playing.

673
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,400
Bombed every night.
They were, they actually very,

674
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520
very focused on playing.
They didn't get out of their

675
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,240
minds when they were playing.
It was after the shows, you

676
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,640
know, after, after the shows.
We had a good time, you know,

677
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,280
unless I was driving and then I
wouldn't drink at all.

678
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520
But there'll be other things
that we do.

679
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Yeah, yeah, to stay away.
He didn't have gummies back.

680
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,600
Yeah, thank God because I would
have just sat around eating

681
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,520
gummies all day.
You know, it's like when I go to

682
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Canada now, the whole micro
dosing thing is, is legal up

683
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,320
there.
And you know, I hadn't done

684
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,920
mushrooms since I was probably
19 years old or something.

685
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360
And somebody goes, have you
tried micro dosing?

686
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Let me give you a few of these.
And, and they're like these nice

687
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,000
little capsules and a nice
little proper, you know,

688
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:11,040
pharmaceutical bottle and stuff.
And I tried it and I mean, it

689
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,400
was the most clarity I'd seen in
in years probably.

690
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,240
And it doesn't get you high or
anything.

691
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,800
It's just like.
Whoa.

692
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,000
Am I ever thinking great ideas
right now, you know?

693
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,720
I don't know where, I don't know
where you'd get yours, but my

694
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,000
nephew gave me some that were
quite intense.

695
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,720
Oh, these weren't intense.
These these are microbes.

696
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:38,120
So they're like, you know, I
think like 2/10 of a gram or

697
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,640
something like that.
You know, they're not, you know,

698
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,600
whereas we grew up like the, the
garbage bags from under all the

699
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,760
cow shit and stuff, you know,
and you'd just take a handful.

700
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,160
I grew up in the in the acid
generation where.

701
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,480
We would, yeah.
Ridiculous trips for 8 hours to

702
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:01,520
10 hours and sometimes longer
and it was that I would not do

703
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,640
now.
But isn't it crazy, though, that

704
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,560
all these health guys are
talking about that, you know,

705
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,960
talking about how
hallucinogenics are really good

706
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,240
for you, you know, and can solve
a lot of problems, you know,

707
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,000
with depression and anger and
whatever else, you know?

708
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Well, my old doctor, Doctor
Timothy Leary, once told me

709
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,480
that.
These are good for you.

710
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,360
Take it.
I remember when when Timothy

711
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Leary and for all you kids out
there, father of LSD, but

712
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:39,080
Timothy Leary was at an LDI one
year and he delivered a keynote

713
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,800
speech.
I remember that, that whole high

714
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,560
end thing.
It was in.

715
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,880
It was in Reno.
I remember it well, yeah.

716
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,880
And you started it off by going
to the microphone and repeating

717
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,600
three times.
Your eyes are the gateway to

718
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,520
your brain.
Your eyes are the gateway to

719
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,320
your brain.
Everybody been sitting there

720
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:06,280
going right on tinning.
I remember that so well that

721
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,600
that's hilarious.
That was.

722
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,040
I'm sure Lowell was behind all
of that.

723
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,280
I'm sure he was.
Yeah, yeah, those guys.

724
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,160
I actually had a conversation
with Bellevue the other day.

725
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,920
He's oh.
Yeah, How was Richard doing?

726
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,680
He's awesome.
He's the same frickin Richard.

727
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120
He's almost 70 now, but he's the
same guy.

728
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,440
You know, he's all tatted up and
got all the cars and stuff and

729
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,000
dating crazy women and yeah, he.
Picked me up in a police car one

730
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,320
day.
Oh, did he really?

731
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,000
A black unmarked police car and
I.

732
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Still got it.
He still got.

733
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,840
It I know it's all it's all like
fixed up.

734
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,920
It's got aircraft landing
lights.

735
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,680
He.
Leaves it in his driveway 'cause

736
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,320
he said people don't fuck with
me when I got this thing in my

737
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,240
driveway.
He told me.

738
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,920
Because when I drive from Austin
to Dallas, everybody moves out

739
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,240
of my way.
Yeah, that's hilarious.

740
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,080
That's hilarious.
I said, what are you doing with

741
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,520
that thing?
And he goes, it protects my

742
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,640
house.
I just leave it in the driveway

743
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,920
and it protects my house.
Yeah, he's as crazy as ever.

744
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,000
But that guy's a genius.
Like he's he's.

745
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Brilliant.
One of the people I have nothing

746
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,400
but time for and just a huge
amount of respect for.

747
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,320
And he's always sort of been
sort of kicked in the corner as

748
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
a, as a nut job or something.
Like even at high end, you know,

749
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,680
I, when they were sort of on
their way down a little bit,

750
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,040
like before they sold to Barco,
sort of at my last moments

751
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,240
there, there were people kind of
pushing to get him out of the

752
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,320
company.
And the former CEO went, came to

753
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,440
me and, and said, you know, what
do you think?

754
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,400
Are you on board with this?
And I said hell no, you know,

755
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,320
take my resignation now because,
you know, turn off the lights if

756
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,680
that guy leaves the company, you
know?

757
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,120
I mean, you know, that's why
Hyann had such crazy fixtures

758
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,440
all the time.
Of course.

759
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,760
And he owned the patents on all,
yeah.

760
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,520
Well, not even just the designs,
but just the passion behind

761
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480
making sure stuff worked.
Like, to a point where it was

762
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,560
annoying to be in the company
because he'd shut down

763
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,600
production lines because
somebody like Howard out on the

764
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,440
Rush show found a problem with a
Cyberlite and he'd stop all the

765
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,800
production of Cyberlites until
they figured out what this

766
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,360
problem was like, just
completely stop it and.

767
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,360
You know, dedication and
passion.

768
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,800
Commitment, passion, yeah, all
of those things.

769
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,120
And I love that guy.
I still do today like he, he was

770
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,280
I, I have the whole conversation
started is I got an ETC

771
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,040
marketing blurb about their two
new fixtures.

772
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,200
And God help me, I forget what
they're called, but they, they

773
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,280
have two new wash lights that
look really cool.

774
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,720
It's got like a, a Fresnel lens
that's broken into like maybe 5

775
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:54,120
or 7 sort of pie pieces and they
can all move independently.

776
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,160
And it's got this crazy zoom and
stuff and really, really cool

777
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,280
looking fixture and really cool
output.

778
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,240
Very bright.
And so I had texted him and

779
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,480
said, hey, I just saw the video
on these new fixtures.

780
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Amazing.
And so he calls me right away.

781
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,920
Well, what do you think?
What do you like about him?

782
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,320
What what do you not like about
him?

783
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,280
You know, he's always, he's
always enjoyed my input because

784
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,200
I'd I'd never, I wouldn't
bullshit him and tell him, you

785
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,320
know, like when the nebula came
out, I said, Richard, this

786
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,240
thing's a turd.
Like, what are you doing, man?

787
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,040
This thing's garbage.
You know, it's spewing flaming

788
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,480
oil all over people's fixtures
and stuff.

789
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,680
It's not going to work.
But you know, he's he's, he's

790
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,080
just in my.
I like guys like that.

791
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,280
I like passionate geniuses like
that.

792
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Yeah, they're committed, right?
Yeah.

793
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,880
And they're not just building
something into a box that says

794
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,720
this thing's going to be $2000
and we're going to make 61%

795
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,400
profit margins on it.
He don't care about any of that

796
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,760
stuff.
Is it cool?

797
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,040
You know, does it serve a
purpose?

798
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,200
Is it cool?
And is it going to, are my

799
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,880
customers going to like it?
Like, that's what's important to

800
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,560
him, you know?
Yeah, I like that.

801
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,600
So back-to-back to Rush.
So, you know, I happen to love

802
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,880
that story where you're you're
sitting in an agency in New York

803
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,760
and they're like, hey, go, go
hang out with these crazy kids.

804
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,520
And, you know, you literally,
like I said, you watch them grow

805
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,080
up.
You grew up around them.

806
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,120
You know, you were part of their
their gang.

807
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,880
And it just never stopped for
practically 50 years, right?

808
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,280
I know, I mean, who, who would
have thunk?

809
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,800
You know, I like, I was getting
grief from my dad when I left to

810
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,400
go up to Canada.
You're going to a communist

811
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,760
country, you know, and they're
going to take everything away.

812
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,240
I'm like.
That's so funny.

813
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,400
You know, as the military got
home, so.

814
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,720
Yeah.
Communist country, I said.

815
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,120
You know it's the best communist
country you can live in.

816
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,280
Yeah.
And so when did you actually

817
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,320
take up residence there?
Was it right away?

818
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,800
I slept on couches for a while
when I first got there.

819
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,320
You know, I walked into the rush
office and demanded 10 grand as

820
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,640
a float.
And they did.

821
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,600
They almost dropped to the floor
because they didn't have any

822
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,520
money, you know, like.
That's all the money in the

823
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,160
world you want.
You want how much?

824
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,000
And he's like, who's this guy
that just came in here?

825
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,920
And, you know, there was the
accountant who was also the

826
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,840
receptionist back then was
Sheila Posner, who still, you

827
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,400
know, with Anthem to this day.
Really.

828
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,840
And yeah, well, it's not called
Anthem.

829
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:40,440
It's that so low.
And, and basically she said she

830
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,400
was very nice.
She just said, have a seat over

831
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880
here on the couch and I'll be
right back.

832
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,680
And she went into the manager's
office and went, there's some

833
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,720
guy here from New York that
wants 10 grand.

834
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,600
Now what do I tell him and he
wants me to tell?

835
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Held up or something and.
He wants to know where he's

836
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,040
staying.
And he's like, where is he from?

837
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,560
I said the agency in New York.
And they went, oh, now the

838
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160
agency told me that they were no
longer going to pay me and I'd

839
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,240
have to get my own deal with
Rough, which was.

840
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,480
So that was a whole other ball
of laughs.

841
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,760
So once I met the band, you
know, and well, the management

842
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,840
basically didn't know what to do
with me.

843
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,120
So they said, well, we, you
know, we can't afford a hotel,

844
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,120
maybe you should come and hang
in my house or something.

845
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,400
I had two managers back then.
So Victoria Wilson, one of the

846
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,080
managers and said, come you, I
have a, a place you can stay at

847
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,760
my house.
Well, none of them lived in

848
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,680
downtown Toronto.
They lived outskirts and the

849
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,640
management office was just like
in a place called Thornhill.

850
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,200
And I thought for the whole time
I was there for about a month

851
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,680
and 1/2, I never saw downtown
Toronto, but I thought that

852
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,560
Thornhill and Richmond Hill and
all these places that I was

853
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,720
traveling into was Toronto.
And I'm thinking, wow, what a

854
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,640
small place this is.
And, you know, I'm coming from

855
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,640
New York City and I'm going.
Yeah, no kidding.

856
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,240
Like it was like Mayberry, you
know, I'm sure no one knows what

857
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:15,520
Mayberry.
Yeah, well, it's ATV show.

858
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,400
There's a little small town, a
lot of like farmer type people

859
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,560
and that's anti making pies.
You know, that's what, that's

860
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,040
what it reminded me of anyway.
It was until maybe 3 months in

861
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,280
where I actually discovered, oh
that's Toronto, why am I not

862
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,920
down there?
So then eventually I went from

863
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,760
house to house sleeping well in
Victoria Wilson's house.

864
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,720
I had to sleep down with the
Saint Bernard they were making

865
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,800
food for the sink from it
smelled like the Meadowlands.

866
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,920
Secaucus, NJ was just horrible
and.

867
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,440
That's funny.
Yeah, there's a burned garbage

868
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,240
there.
But why were you there?

869
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,400
Like they're not touring so they
don't need a tour manager at

870
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,000
this point.
They were about to tour.

871
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,640
OK.
The the agency signed them.

872
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,600
They wanted me to be the tour
manager.

873
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,520
They wanted me to make sure they
like them in New York, so they

874
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,440
sent me there as like an
ambassador to ATI, even though

875
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,360
they were telling me that the
van is going to hang me and.

876
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,440
Were you around when they were
doing the The Drummer auditions?

877
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000
I I wasn't at the auditions, but
I was around.

878
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,760
Even though Getty will argue
with me about this, but one of

879
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200
their managers confirmed no, no,
you were here during the

880
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,200
auditions.
You just weren't at the

881
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,520
auditions.
Oh.

882
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Right.
So you were in Toronto and but.

883
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,200
I was in Toronto because I'm.
In studio or whatever.

884
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,960
Coordinating with the agency
dates that they were proposing

885
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,920
first tour, we were going out,
it was going to be with you

886
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,720
right and deep.
But they wanted them to play

887
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,040
some isolated dates.
But they they played a couple of

888
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,240
days before I was even on it in
the States and some drive in

889
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,760
theater in Michigan.
They played some club in I think

890
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,400
maybe the Agora in Cleveland
before I was there.

891
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,040
So anything.
And anyway, this all was coming

892
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,400
together.
They had their record deal

893
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,640
signed and they had, you know,
your management was ready to go

894
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,960
with the agency in New York.
And I was just there to

895
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,560
coordinate all these things so.
And they were touring the the

896
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,920
first album, right?
Definitely.

897
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,280
Yeah.
So so then they find they find

898
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,720
Neil, they find Neil.
Oh, they found Neil and they

899
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,600
were like blown away and you
know.

900
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,040
Well, and then they started
writing more complicated music

901
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,760
after that.
And I don't know if that had to

902
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,400
do with the fact that he was
like the sort of third component

903
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,240
that maybe they didn't have
with, what was his name, Rutzy,

904
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:58,280
right?
John Rutzy.

905
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,040
Yeah.
Oh, they Rutzy filled his his

906
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,880
purpose in that band.
Yeah.

907
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,280
Neil changed the direction of
the band.

908
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,240
Yeah, because again.
And now we're they they love

909
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,000
progressive music.
Yeah.

910
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,360
So that just fed into, you know,
what they love.

911
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,040
I mean, we all love The Who that
was unanimous.

912
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:25,560
And you know, we all love, yes,
we all love Genesis, you know.

913
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,960
Yeah.
It's like that were out there at

914
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,000
the time that that were very
progressive.

915
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,720
Yeah, And I read, I read in
Getty's book about the whole

916
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,320
relationship with Rutsi on how
he wanted, you know, simpler

917
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,400
music that girls would like and
stuff, you know, and which makes

918
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040
a lot of sense.
You know, in hindsight, he looks

919
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,560
like an idiot.
But, you know, at the time, you

920
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,400
could see that making some
sense.

921
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,320
You know, like, look at all
these bands playing normal music

922
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,400
and they're getting lots of
fans.

923
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,760
But he had an underlying
diabetes issue.

924
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Yeah.
He didn't want to go on tour.

925
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,600
He was afraid that he would.
You know, something would

926
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:05,920
happen.
Yeah.

927
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,120
So I mean, something happened
anyway and he wanted to.

928
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,920
So yeah, unfortunately, you
know, true.

929
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,560
I mean, you know, Rush has been
through 2 drummers and now 3.

930
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,080
Yeah, yeah, I want.
To.

931
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,560
I want to talk about that
obviously, but so still sticking

932
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,680
back in the days then.
So you go out on tour with

933
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,800
Uriah.
He you're their tour manager.

934
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,440
You're figuring out at the time,
aren't you, how to be a tour

935
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,280
manager, or you had already done
it before.

936
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,600
Well, I had done it with Blue
��yster Cult.

937
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:45,080
I had to fill in for a couple
guys that were there and I did.

938
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,080
So you know what the gig was.
So I knew what the gig was.

939
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Did I have a lot of experience
at it?

940
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:54,880
Well, I didn't fry and Auger
before I did rush.

941
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,720
I did Blue ��yster Cult before I
did rush.

942
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,200
I went out to settle shows.
So I knew about accounting, how

943
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,840
the deals were constructed back
then before this Live Nation 360

944
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,560
came out, which is Canadian
driven as well.

945
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:18,800
So you know, it was a learning
experience for all of us and I

946
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,440
just had a little bit more
experience.

947
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,360
It's going all makes mistakes.
But it's funny because when you

948
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,800
go back to the 70s, whether it's
lighting or sound or just

949
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:33,120
touring in general, the business
was still shaping like it was

950
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:33,760
it.
Was it?

951
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,520
Was it was being?
Created.

952
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,560
Yeah, it was.
I mean, guys building their own

953
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,280
sound systems and, you know,
Roth with his square park hands

954
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,400
and you know, like everything
was just being created.

955
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,800
It was just being, you know, it
was starting to happen.

956
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,920
And so the stories are just
incredible always.

957
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,960
You know, it's not like there
was this group of people who

958
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,320
really knew what they were doing
and nobody else did.

959
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,640
No, nobody knew what they were
doing, you know.

960
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Yeah, I mean, like Michael Tate
was putting lighting fixtures in

961
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,760
coffee cans, you know, back in
the beginning.

962
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,360
I mean, people were doing what
we had to do.

963
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,240
I've I discovered to a friend of
mine sitting pace enough, a

964
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,240
marine beacon light, which is an
ACL basically, and I put it in a

965
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,440
park can for the first time and
basically, you know, rented it

966
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,240
out, you know, through another
lighting company in Virginia and

967
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,040
Little Feat was the first band
to use them and after that I put

968
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,400
them on run.
Wow, that's cool.

969
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,360
Yeah, those are back in the days
of a company called Atlantis

970
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,640
Lighting in Virginia.
Yeah, you know, I forgot to

971
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,000
mention this, but you were
talking about Blue ��yster Cult

972
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,880
and you going out and doing
lasers with Blue ��yster Cult.

973
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,240
I don't.
Know if it's do I didn't do.

974
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:48,840
Or they were doing lasers.
You were talking.

975
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,920
About the guy who did?
Yeah, but I remember somebody

976
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,200
gave me a Blue ��yster Cult
ticket and like right on the

977
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,120
ticket, and I don't know how I
was probably 14 or something.

978
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,160
So this had to be like 70.
It was probably somewhere

979
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,240
between 75 and 78.
And I remember right on the

980
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:13,240
ticket it said something about
like, come see the spectacular

981
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,080
laser show or whatever, right?
Like it was all about the

982
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,200
lasers.
And I was like, whoa, lasers.

983
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,680
I don't even know what the hell
a laser really was, but I was

984
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,320
like, whoa, these guys have
lasers.

985
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,880
And yeah, my mind was.
Blown.

986
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,880
They did.
Not only do they have lasers,

987
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,440
they have fiber optic effects.
You know, a lot of the a lot of

988
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,960
the lasers, we were using fiber
optics back there and things

989
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,520
were like remote scanners where
you would take the fiber optic.

990
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,800
And oh, I knew that, yeah.
You collimated into a box that

991
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,280
would have scanner in it.
You would put it wherever you

992
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,680
wanted it.
Some laser too heavy to move.

993
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,200
Yeah, that's wild.
The whole laser technology, how

994
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,960
far it's come now and the fact
that, you know, people keep

995
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,760
telling me like on some tours,
it's bigger than lighting.

996
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,880
Like there's more laser heads
than there are lighting fixtures

997
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,040
and.
And so on some tours there are.

998
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,240
It's not as much of of a special
effect now as it is just part of

999
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,920
a lighting rig.
You know it.

1000
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Seems how it's used, Marcel,
it's how it's used that makes it

1001
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,160
special.
Yeah.

1002
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,800
So if you use it correctly as a
special effect, it'll always be

1003
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,400
a special effect.
Right.

1004
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,720
Well, unfortunately, once again,
EDN has put in hundreds of

1005
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,880
lasers on the on the
productions.

1006
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,800
So that is sort of where
everybody leads.

1007
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,200
You know, the more lasers, the
better it is, but not

1008
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,400
necessarily right.
Sometimes, you know, the more

1009
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,360
creative energy is created
around space and if you use that

1010
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,680
space wisely, which I like to
do, is is where you get the

1011
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:54,360
special effects.
Yeah, I had that conversation a

1012
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,200
couple weeks ago with Alan
Branton on the podcast.

1013
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,360
You know where it's, you know,
he had a similar challenge where

1014
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,120
it's like now, because lights
are so plentiful and they're all

1015
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,160
so good and they all do great
things and they're all really

1016
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,240
reliable and stuff.
People are using hundreds or

1017
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:13,720
thousands of them on every
production and it really does

1018
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,440
end up where a lot of things
look alike, you know, 'cause

1019
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,800
they're all just like blah, this
just huge BLOB of, of automated

1020
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,040
lights.
And you know, I don't know,

1021
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,280
like, I get that.
I, I completely get that

1022
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,640
argument for sure.
Like some, I think some bands or

1023
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,520
performers or whatever just look
really good with just a bunch of

1024
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,560
follow spots or something, you
know, like just just light.

1025
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,880
You had to do that once.
You know, I did a show in

1026
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,680
Rochester, NY, and when I called
the house lights to black,

1027
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,280
somebody threw a big gulf in the
air and came down on my lighting

1028
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,800
console and drenched the
lighting.

1029
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,240
Yeah both lighting console and
shorted it out where I had zero

1030
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,280
lighting and I had to do the
whole show with some follow

1031
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,680
spots.
The whole show.

1032
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,960
The whole show.
Oh my God, Rush.

1033
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,280
Everything.
Yeah, everything's wrong.

1034
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,680
And then at the end of the
night, the van came to me, but

1035
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,840
it wasn't a little dark on
stage.

1036
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,640
But I said yeah, so someone
threw the drink up in the air

1037
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,320
and landed my lighting console
and shorted out both boards back

1038
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,640
up and the meeting board.
When was this?

1039
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:20,800
How long ago was this?
Oh it.

1040
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,240
Was early 80s.
Yeah, wow.

1041
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,480
It was like it was bad.
Yeah, it was bad.

1042
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Well, it'd be worse now.
It'd be more freaky now if if

1043
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,800
you had to do that.
Well, by the way, you know, the

1044
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,400
follow spots would be out too,
because they're in the rig and

1045
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,200
they're they're, you know,
lighting fixtures.

1046
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,040
So yeah, you're using all
automated follow spots now,

1047
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,720
right?
Yeah, I am.

1048
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,560
I think everyone does now.
Is there any such thing as trust

1049
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,560
spots anymore?
Well, people, I'm told that the,

1050
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,000
the locals, you know, the, the
local Ayatsu that really don't

1051
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,080
like going up there anymore.
And there's not a lot of guys

1052
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,600
that want to climb.
The older guys that the only

1053
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,800
ones that really knew how to do
it and could run it and young

1054
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,240
kids, they, they're not
interested in climbing up into a

1055
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,720
Truss.
Yeah, which is great, unless

1056
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,560
they're thinking to be the open.
Company and they're forced to do

1057
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,400
it.
Yeah, You think it'd be the

1058
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,640
opposite of that?
Like, you know, I know if you if

1059
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,520
you took my kid who's 21 and
pointed at the Truss and go, can

1060
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,720
you climb up there and go move a
a follow spot for this band and

1061
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,200
you'd be like, hell yeah, point
me, where do I go?

1062
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,760
Yeah, but you have to know what
you're doing.

1063
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,600
You just can't get in there.
That part he hasn't got, but

1064
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,760
yeah.
He'd.

1065
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,000
Certainly climb the thing with a
passion, you know, Wait, wait

1066
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,040
till, wait till you see him
again because he's like, he

1067
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,800
towers over me.
He's 65 I think now and like 210

1068
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,440
lbs He's huge.
That's amazing.

1069
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,080
Yeah, and last time you saw him,
I think he was probably 2 feet

1070
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,320
tall.
He was drinking milk and eating

1071
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,760
goldfish in the bus.
Which again, is a funny story

1072
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,360
unto itself, 'cause you're like,
hey, do you want anything, kid?

1073
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,840
And he goes, yeah, you got any
goldfish?

1074
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,280
And you're like, well, as a
matter of fact, I do.

1075
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,560
And I'm like, OK, I'm a little
worried about this.

1076
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,680
Howard, why the hell do you have
goldfish in your bus?

1077
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,160
And chocolate milk, you know.
That's right, Yeah.

1078
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,800
It's got everything there.
Anything anybody wanted, we have

1079
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,880
it.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

1080
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,400
So you know, you've been doing
tool, you've been staying busy

1081
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,840
because I talk to you all the
time.

1082
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,760
And then all of a sudden, at
some point, I assume you get a

1083
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,920
call or an e-mail or a text or
something from from Getty or, or

1084
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,640
Al or whoever saying, hey, we
got this crazy idea.

1085
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,680
That's not what they said, but
they said I got an e-mail from

1086
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,640
Getty and he went, hey, can you
come to my house on Thursday at

1087
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,200
1:00 PM?
Yeah.

1088
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,480
And I said, yeah, sure.
What's up?

1089
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,080
He goes.
You'll you'll see.

1090
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Yeah.
You know, and I knew that they

1091
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,520
were sort of like, you know, I
talked to Al a lot.

1092
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,960
Yeah.
So Alex, Alex told me that they

1093
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,600
that they would, he would go
over to Ged's house and they'd

1094
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,400
be jamming all the time in, in
in the studio in Getty's little

1095
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,480
studio there.
And you didn't say much about

1096
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,480
anything other than he, he has
another project called Envy of

1097
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,280
None, that he had another album
that he was, you know,

1098
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,400
recording.
And so I knew that he was

1099
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:46,000
actively doing that.
And Paul McCartney got Getty and

1100
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,960
Alex all fired up at the Taylor
Hawkins tribute.

1101
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:56,080
When, you know, I was talking to
Alex about how come you're not

1102
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,200
playing anymore.
You sort of wound them up to the

1103
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,960
point where Alex was thinking
about it.

1104
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,760
As as Sir Paul can do.
As Sir Paul can do.

1105
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,400
When a Beatle tells you get off
your ass and start playing, what

1106
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,600
are you going to do Right and.
You didn't want to hear about

1107
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,600
it.
And, you know, and Paul said,

1108
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,280
actually, I think one of the
comments was Paul sits with, you

1109
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,600
know why you should be doing
this?

1110
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,720
And Alex went why?
He says.

1111
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,440
Because that's what we do.
He's got a good point.

1112
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,320
And that was it.
And then I guess the next year

1113
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,600
it was all in his head, you
know?

1114
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,720
Yeah, it was having some little
bit of medical issues happening,

1115
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,880
but he sort of got around all of
that and just got himself way

1116
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,640
and more healthy now and then.
I guess they decided to put this

1117
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,360
together.
So we all had a for the first

1118
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,240
time ever in the history of
rough, we all had to sign MDA.

1119
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,240
So keep it quiet.
Wow, keep it quiet for like, you

1120
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,280
know, months.
Oh, so you knew earlier,

1121
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,280
obviously, then this all got
announced?

1122
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,440
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I had to be sitting

1123
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,200
through meetings with them.
Sworn in.

1124
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,360
Sworn in.
You know what though, I do love

1125
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:08,480
the fact that at least it
appears that they wouldn't do it

1126
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,200
without you.
You know, like to me, you're

1127
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,560
part of their family and you
know, it would have been sad if,

1128
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,360
if it went any other way than
that.

1129
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,880
Like obviously I'd, I'd
probably, I wouldn't boycott

1130
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,960
them or anything, but I wouldn't
be very happy if they didn't

1131
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,200
treat you well going back out on
this thing.

1132
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,360
They have always treated me well
so.

1133
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,640
Yeah, yeah.
And then and Getty.

1134
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,120
Canadian Canadians are nice.
Yeah, I mean, Getty actually

1135
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:43,160
said it when I when I when I won
the the visionary ward in 2014

1136
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:48,200
at LDR, he just said that, you
know, he can't imagine doing it

1137
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,960
without Howard.
So that's cool.

1138
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,120
Just wherever we are, it'll be
like I did the Taylor Hawkins

1139
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,280
thing with him, but I didn't
know about it that.

1140
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,560
Was Grohl right?
Grohl was the drummer.

1141
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:00,640
That was date.
Well, no.

1142
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,280
There were three drummers.
There was Omar Arkin to do, to

1143
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:12,600
do YYZ or YYZ and then they had
Chad Smith, yeah, at one point

1144
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:22,160
doing 2112 and they, no, Chad
Smith was doing. 2112 was

1145
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,240
working.
Working bad 2112 was growl.

1146
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,400
Yeah, well, Chad Smith was
working that which was.

1147
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,080
Such AI couldn't believe Growl
doing 2112.

1148
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,880
He wouldn't have been, you know
what I mean?

1149
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,560
Like he's not, well, what I
would call a technical drummer.

1150
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:37,720
He's a bastion.
He was good.

1151
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,000
He was, he was good.
And the the thing was that role

1152
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,160
was the MC of that show that
went on for like 5 hours.

1153
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,520
Yeah, he was the MC of that
show.

1154
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,160
He was drumming with various
bands.

1155
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,560
I mean, this guy was like, he
was up there, he's a machine and

1156
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,240
he was instrumental in getting
the two guys and Rush over

1157
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,560
there.
Wow, you know, I mean, Taylor

1158
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,280
Hawkins was a huge Rush fan.
So was Growl.

1159
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,400
Yeah.
You know, I met Dave many times

1160
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,200
before I you know, we were hired
by Dan Hadley to do lasers for

1161
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,400
Foo Fighters on the Concrete and
Gold Tour.

1162
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,280
Wow, yeah.
And we did the the Taylor

1163
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,360
Hawkins tribute to.
Taylor Hawkins was such a

1164
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,280
talented guy.
Like talk about a guy who would

1165
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,880
have been a great replacement,
you know, for Neil, like because

1166
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,640
he could sing the high parts too
you.

1167
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:35,440
Know well it was not.
It was Neil's hard to replace.

1168
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,840
Yeah, of course.
I I think Taylor would have a

1169
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,320
hard time replacing Neil.
Any of the guys in Rush are hard

1170
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,680
to replace, Like how do you
replace one of those three guys

1171
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,760
you know, like.
Yeah, it's hard, but you know.

1172
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Plus Neil.
Neil did all the writing right?

1173
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,760
Like he did all the lyrics.
Yeah, he was the nurses.

1174
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,440
I know it was.
It's incredible.

1175
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,040
Yeah, yeah, but they have a huge
catalog now, so it's.

1176
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,800
So, so you go over there for the
meeting and.

1177
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,120
So I go there for the meeting
and they it's.

1178
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,680
The.
Usual players, you know, you

1179
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,680
know we have every time we do a
rush to a recent town with

1180
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,880
Getty's brother Alan and his and
his buddy.

1181
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,720
He's an award-winning video
director, Dale, that's what.

1182
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:26,600
And then there's Alex, Likes in
who comes and goes, but he's

1183
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,800
usually there.
Myself again.

1184
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,320
And then we start.
Yeah.

1185
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,240
And.
What does Kitty's brother do?

1186
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,040
He's a producer or video
producer.

1187
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,560
Oh, OK.
Thusly all the films and things.

1188
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,880
And yeah.
And then Dale is a con.

1189
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,320
Dale is a conceptual video
director, so he comes up with

1190
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,720
the stage sets washing.
Machines and sausage makers and

1191
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,480
stuff.
Well, yeah.

1192
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,040
Well, Getty comes up with a lot
of that.

1193
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,720
So.
And then we just make it happen

1194
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,760
and then we place it.
And then we just talk about

1195
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,640
placement of things.
The only thing we don't talk

1196
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,440
about really lighting because
they don't want to deal with

1197
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,600
that.
They want to deal without a show

1198
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,040
is going to look on stage.
They.

1199
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,480
Trust me with the they trust me
with the lighting because of all

1200
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,120
these years and.
So at this point, did they tell?

1201
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,160
Had they already picked a
drummer?

1202
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,760
Yeah.
She was already chosen.

1203
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,640
Not only was she chosen, but she
was already rehearsing with

1204
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,120
them.
Really.

1205
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,440
No.
So she's been over in Canada

1206
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,200
rehearsing.
Cool.

1207
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,520
On and off.
Did you hear any of it?

1208
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,840
No.
I'm dying to hear her because

1209
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,560
I've I didn't know who she was.
Annika, right?

1210
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,920
I didn't.
I didn't know who she was.

1211
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,800
And I've watched 100 videos.
Yeah, with Jeff Beck.

1212
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,080
I missed that tour though.
Before I even knew that she was

1213
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,080
going to be.
But The thing is, Getty's bass

1214
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,800
tech, Scully, you know, John
McIntosh?

1215
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,640
Yeah, he was Jeff Beck's tech
out on that tour.

1216
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,280
So Scully was the one that said
to Getty, you should check out

1217
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,560
Anna at me in the audience
sitting with my wife watching

1218
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Jeff Beck.
And there was a female bass

1219
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,359
player as well.
That was.

1220
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:21,920
Awesome.
She was also really.

1221
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Good.
I just kept saying to to my wife

1222
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,279
like this drummer is insane how
good she is.

1223
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,960
And we walked out of there blown
away.

1224
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,240
And you know, the fact that
she's now in Rush is just

1225
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,200
amazing because.
Really is cool.

1226
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,640
You know, for years Neil was
taking drum lessons so he could

1227
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,520
learn how to hold the sticks
correctly 'cause you don't

1228
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,479
remember.
Seeing some of those videos with

1229
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,319
Buddy Rich and stuff like where
he was learning how to.

1230
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,399
Hold, you know, Freddy, he took
lessons for Freddy Groover and

1231
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:54,040
just like, yeah, you know, I
mean, he was, he was trying to

1232
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,160
learn how to hold sticks that
way.

1233
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,160
That's why and.
Here's Annika, who's, like,

1234
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,520
playing just like the way he
wanted to play.

1235
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,960
Yeah, you know, and.
She is so good.

1236
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,760
She has such a groove and all
that stuff she does where she's

1237
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,720
playing three different songs
between her two hands and her

1238
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,520
feet and like, just like one
rhythm going over here and a

1239
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,080
different one over here and
stuff.

1240
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,160
I'm just like, how does somebody
do that?

1241
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,120
Like, that's just so hard to
split your brain up like that,

1242
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,560
you know?
And it really gets me upset when

1243
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,680
I hear this stuff on on
Instagram, the ads for Rush and

1244
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,680
then call Neil's last name Pert,
you know, and they say, I could

1245
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,240
not Niles wrong.
You know, it's like, come on,

1246
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,439
get it right.
At least you know Rush fans

1247
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,720
don't do it wrong.
Yeah, Yeah.

1248
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,279
Well, I always called him Neil
Pert and until someone told me

1249
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,240
that, you know, that was wrong.
But I didn't know, you know,

1250
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,200
like I, I grew up thinking
that's what his name was, right?

1251
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,760
For whatever reason, I don't
know why there was no Internet

1252
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,240
or Reddit couldn't correct me
back then.

1253
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:03,360
Thank God Facebook didn't exist.
The best drummer in the world, I

1254
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,160
think.
Who Neil?

1255
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,920
He was, yeah.
Oh, Jesus, Like nobody like him.

1256
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,880
He changed drumming.
He's like the the Wayne Gretzky

1257
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,280
of drumming, you know?
Yeah, he, he changed drumming.

1258
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,720
Like there's, if you think of
before him, there was nobody

1259
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,800
like him.
After him, there was thousands

1260
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,080
of drummers playing like him,
you know, because he created

1261
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,680
that.
Like he's really spun.

1262
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,200
Generations of of.
Drum did, yeah.

1263
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,680
He did have 6 year old kid
though.

1264
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,400
That's.
Amazing.

1265
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:32,840
I love that kid.
He's amazing.

1266
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,160
I love that kid.
There are so many good drummers.

1267
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,080
Like do you ever watch the guy
who's smoking a cigarette with

1268
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,840
the big beard?
I don't.

1269
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,560
He's from Turkey or something.
And he plays, he does these like

1270
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,920
incredibly fast things with one
hand.

1271
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,720
Like he'll do, he'll do YYZ with
one hand and smoking a cigarette

1272
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,600
and drinking a drink at the same
time.

1273
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,200
And he'll do it with one hand
and a snare drum and A and a Tom

1274
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,760
and, and a kick drum.
I'll, I'll send you a couple

1275
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,720
videos.
This guy, I forget his name, but

1276
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,040
he is incredible.
He's incredible.

1277
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,000
The stuff that this guy does,
how fast his hands and feet are,

1278
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:12,600
it's like insane, you know.
But but, you know, I would

1279
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:18,160
assume that for years there's
been a long line of usual

1280
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:23,280
suspects sort of campaigning,
you know, if you ever tour

1281
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,240
again, you know, if you ever
tour again, you know, like the

1282
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,120
the Mike Portnoy's and such of
the world who seems so obvious

1283
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,000
as a replacement for.
Neil But you know, the sad, the

1284
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,520
sad thing about it was after
Neil passed away, it was it was

1285
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,040
very short, brief time where all
these people came out of the

1286
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,640
woodwork trying to take that
posits.

1287
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,680
It was tacky.
It wasn't a very good thing,

1288
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,240
right.
And you know.

1289
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,080
So then they just went right out
of left field and got a woman

1290
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,200
from Germany.
They made the best decision on

1291
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,480
this one.
Yeah, I think so.

1292
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,600
I think so.
Like I said, I didn't even know

1293
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,960
who she was.
And you know, now obviously I

1294
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,400
know that she was with Jeff
Beck's band and I actually meant

1295
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,640
to go see that and I, I think I
was out of town or something

1296
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,560
happened.
But you know, I've, I've

1297
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,280
literally gone down rabbit holes
and looked at every video I

1298
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,360
could find of her on YouTube and
Instagram and stuff and I'm

1299
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,920
obsessed with her drumming.
I just I love her style.

1300
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,680
When you feel alive, you even
like it more.

1301
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,120
Yeah, Yeah.
Are there any other like wild

1302
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,200
surprises that you can talk
about or No, Yeah.

1303
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,280
There's going to be a keyboard
player on the stage.

1304
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:48,640
I have heard that and I got the
impression based on the video

1305
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,640
that him and and now did where
where they sort of weirdly

1306
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:57,360
announced this whole thing.
I got the impression that he was

1307
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:03,200
going to back off on vocals.
No, he, he wants to back off on

1308
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,520
keyboards.
He's still going to play as he's

1309
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,800
going to play a synthesizer.
But the keyboard thing really

1310
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,840
strapped him into, you know, he,
he had to trigger everything.

1311
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,800
He had to play all the keyboard
parts.

1312
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,920
And he rather, he's a bass
player.

1313
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,840
He'd rather be free to move
around and sing.

1314
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,680
And that's what he wanted to do.
Matter of fact, one of his

1315
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,680
dreams isn't is to just play
bass.

1316
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,560
Yeah.
What he did, what he did for

1317
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,400
yes.
But that's what I kind of heard

1318
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,840
in that in that little speech
that he made, I kind of heard

1319
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,600
that he wanted to back away from
singing a little bit and focus

1320
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,640
more on being a musician, focus
more on playing the.

1321
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,400
Instrument if it wasn't Rush,
Yeah, like, you know, he he

1322
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,720
would definitely play base in
another band for sure.

1323
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,040
Well, it got me excited that I
was going to start hearing all

1324
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,560
the really super high parts, the
the screechy old stuff done by

1325
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,640
some, you know, wannabe Getty
League guy that's, you know, on

1326
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,320
the other side of the stage or
something.

1327
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,240
Yeah.
Yeah, well, he'll do his best.

1328
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,600
You know he's been practicing.
Yeah, Well, I mean, trust me,

1329
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,960
you know, I sang really well
when I was young.

1330
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,000
I don't anymore, like I, I don't
know how the people who can do

1331
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,040
it like the Steven Tyler's of
the world, who in their 70s can

1332
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,960
still sing like that.
They have my applause because it

1333
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,840
ain't easy to do.
Like, I don't know whether

1334
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,640
things shrink up or what
happens, but you just.

1335
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:28,680
Can't you shrink?
Up.

1336
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,160
You lose the range.
Yeah, that's what I meant by

1337
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,000
things.
Me.

1338
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:39,400
I mean, I shrunk up, yeah.
So yeah, I'm really, I'm really

1339
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,800
curious to see how all of that
comes together and, and

1340
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,520
obviously, you know, any
surprises from you or is it just

1341
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,400
going to be an evolution of, you
know, just the ongoing evolution

1342
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,640
of Rush from a lighting design
standpoint?

1343
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,240
I'm going to deliver some a few
surprises probably and.

1344
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,280
Well, as he told me, it wouldn't
be a surprise, right?

1345
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,480
That's right.
That's why I can't tell you.

1346
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,080
But there's going to be some
some epic looks company.

1347
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,800
I'm sure there always is like a
you know, I'm not blowing smoke,

1348
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,840
but I've been a I've been a
lover of your lighting designs

1349
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,400
for many, many tours.
I've seen Rush so many freaking

1350
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,040
times, like probably more than
anybody I've ever seen, and a

1351
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,280
few times standing next to you
at front of house.

1352
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,520
But you know, I'm really looking
forward to it.

1353
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,200
I don't know where I'm going to
see it yet, but somewhere I'll

1354
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,280
see it somewhere.
Well, let's figure it out.

1355
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:36,920
Yeah, somewhere I'll see it.
You know, I'd love to go in

1356
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,680
Canada, but it's just going to
be too crazy in Canada, so

1357
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,360
probably.
I mean like in I don't see it

1358
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,920
being too crazy in Edmonton.
I don't see.

1359
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,000
Oh, did they announce Edmonton?
Yeah, when's that?

1360
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,440
I don't know.
You have to look, well, God.

1361
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,080
Damn it.
It's in the winter, I know that.

1362
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,200
Oh, is it?
I'm never there in the winter.

1363
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,880
I'm a snowbird.
Now I leave in, I leave in like

1364
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,040
I left.
I got back a few weeks ago,

1365
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,800
three 3-4 weeks ago are.
You part of the Snowbird

1366
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,200
Society?
I guess I am now.

1367
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,960
You know, I thought I always
thought of myself as a reverse

1368
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,360
snowbird, a snowbird though,
Like I'm not, I'm not coming to

1369
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,160
Florida.
I'm leaving Florida to go to

1370
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:23,360
Canada during the summer, right.
So I'm like a, but yeah, I don't

1371
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,800
know what you would call me now,
but I guess I'm officially a

1372
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,840
snowbird because I, I'm in
Canada from, you know, June to

1373
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,600
October and down here the rest
of the year.

1374
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,600
So which works out.
I mean, it's beautiful here

1375
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,000
right now and it's getting well.
It's actually still like they've

1376
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,400
been telling me it's 1213�� in,
in Alberta right now, which is

1377
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,720
pretty.
Those are metric degrees,

1378
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,440
people.
It's about this, Yeah.

1379
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,360
It's about the same year, Yeah,
in Toronto.

1380
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,640
I mean like mid 50s getting a
little cooler now.

1381
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,760
Yeah, yeah.
In Canada.

1382
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:01,680
Yeah, exactly.
The other thing that that has

1383
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,480
been so controversial, or at
least from things that I've seen

1384
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:09,800
'cause I'm paying a lot of
attention to this tour, is, you

1385
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,880
know, people bitching about the
ticket prices.

1386
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:16,480
And, you know, it's interesting
because on one hand, since

1387
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:22,000
COVID, the costs to to put a
tour out and to rent a lighting

1388
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,400
package and to travel and to,
you know, have buses or, or even

1389
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,440
fly, all of the costs have gone
up exponentially.

1390
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,360
But the ticket prices are
magically supposed to be exactly

1391
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,040
the same.
So that's not going to work,

1392
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,520
obviously, because when things
cost more, whether it's, you

1393
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,040
know, the food that the band are
eating or you know, the the

1394
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,280
transport or the packages
themselves of technology or

1395
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,000
whatever that those costs end up
in the ticket price.

1396
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,320
There's nowhere else to put
them.

1397
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,320
You know, it's not like Howard's
just going to get paid less or

1398
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,760
Ticketmaster's going to make
less or somebody else is going

1399
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,360
to make less.
All those costs get funneled

1400
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,400
through to the ticket price,
obviously.

1401
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,840
So that.
I mean, when you look across the

1402
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,720
border at any band right now,
yeah.

1403
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,960
Every ticket's higher.
And if you're buying from a

1404
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,960
secondary seller?
That's.

1405
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,720
Beware, because that's where the
problem is a lot.

1406
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,520
Of the time.
Ticketmaster right now is the

1407
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,760
official ticket seller for Raj
and that's who people should be

1408
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,480
buying from.
And you'll see that there are

1409
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:30,480
tickets at 500 dollars, $300,
you know, but it's no different

1410
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,720
than any other concert that's
out there, right?

1411
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,840
Now, well, not just concerts, by
the way, if you look at the

1412
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,800
World Series, like I looked,
there was there were tickets

1413
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,080
that were like 10s of thousands
of dollars, you know, for, for

1414
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,720
tickets to the, the Toronto
games last week.

1415
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,640
So it's.
Sad, you know, because it's only

1416
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,920
the privilege they get to go to.
Which sucks, you know, and, and

1417
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,280
it sucks for the artist.
Like I don't remember who it was

1418
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,920
who talked about it, but he's
like, I look out now into the

1419
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,880
crowd and I see a bunch of
billionaires sitting on their

1420
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,560
hands with, you know, texting on
their phones.

1421
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,840
They're not even watching the
band.

1422
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,880
They don't know the words.
They don't like.

1423
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,600
They're there because they're
these corporate giants or

1424
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,360
whatever.
And, you know, somebody gave

1425
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,520
them the tickets.
But it's the same at the Super

1426
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:13,720
Bowl.
I don't know if you've ever been

1427
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,920
to a Super Bowl, but they're in
a very.

1428
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,120
Few fans there there's.
Very few fans there because

1429
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,240
tickets end up costing.
By the time you pay the

1430
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,200
secondary prices, they're over
10 grand a ticket to go to the

1431
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,920
Super Bowl.
Now you know.

1432
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,880
Who's paying unless someone
gives you a ticket?

1433
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:35,200
Unless someone gives you 1,
which is extremely rare.

1434
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,080
It's extremely rare that someone
calls you up and goes hey, dying

1435
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,080
to get rid of these two tickets
to the Super Bowl.

1436
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,600
Do you want them?
Nobody else wants them.

1437
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,000
Yeah, not likely.
Yeah, I mean, I was fortunate or

1438
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,280
unfortunate or whatever, but for
a number of years I went with my

1439
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:56,800
ex father-in-law and every year
the Bears got him tickets for 40

1440
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,280
years.
Like he went to almost every

1441
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:03,080
game for 40 years.
And so I ended up being his plus

1442
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,680
one for a lot of those years
and.

1443
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,280
I'm a football fan, but I'm not
a huge football fan.

1444
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,560
So like face value on the
tickets was 1000 bucks, 1200

1445
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,920
bucks, whatever it was, plus a
flight plus hotels plus plus

1446
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,520
plus plus plus.
So no matter how you slice it,

1447
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:24,760
it's a 3 or $4000 trip.
And I don't know, like for me to

1448
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:30,280
see a football game for four
grand or whatever, I'm like, I

1449
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,760
like my.
TV there are better things to

1450
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,280
do.
Of course, of course.

1451
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,640
But yeah, so I think they're
getting a bad rap on the

1452
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,480
tickets.
And then the other, the other

1453
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:44,480
sort of myth that I've seen is
that it's not selling well.

1454
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,520
And that was from someone in our
industry who?

1455
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,920
Posted it on.
Facebook, of course.

1456
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,440
It is.
They got to be, they got to be

1457
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:53,920
an idiot to say that.
I mean, why would they do four

1458
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,320
nights and a lot of.
Big buildings, Yeah.

1459
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,240
Buildings and big buildings, you
know.

1460
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,960
They're doing extremely well and
don't let anyone tell you.

1461
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,480
No, I'm seeing a lot of cities
are sold out completely, even if

1462
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:07,760
it's multiple nights, all the
nights are sold out.

1463
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,400
And then the other thing that's
happening is they'll sell out

1464
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,960
two nights, add 2 nights and OK,
so those didn't sell out in the

1465
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,960
first day.
That means it's not selling

1466
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,920
well.
Like stop already stop.

1467
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:23,320
You know, the I'm actually blown
away by the interest in, in this

1468
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:24,680
tour.
Like it's huge.

1469
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,960
It's, you know, people.
We're never rush.

1470
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,200
Fans, yeah.
No.

1471
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,280
There might be girls there.
There will be girls there.

1472
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,120
Which is incredible.
You don't see.

1473
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,400
Especially with a female
drummer.

1474
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:37,400
Man, that's true.
Yeah.

1475
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,760
It'll all be DEI now.
You'll have girls and grannies

1476
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,760
and everything.
You'll have, you'll have

1477
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,320
everybody.
You'll everybody will be

1478
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,080
represented.
We will have diversity in our

1479
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,280
shows.
Exactly, exactly.

1480
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:56,120
I love it, but no, I, you know,
seriously, like the interest

1481
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,680
level has just been huge.
Like I know tons of people who

1482
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,960
are flying from Calgary to
Toronto to see the show and

1483
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,560
which maybe they're regretting
it now that Edmonton got added,

1484
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,520
but well.
You know, I'll tell you there,

1485
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:14,360
there are people flying from
from the UK and the EU coming to

1486
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,920
see shores, you know.
Is there any talks of a European

1487
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,640
Tour?
There's a there's some

1488
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,240
rumblings.
We're just waiting to see what

1489
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,080
what happens.
In South America, we're talking.

1490
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,320
About all we don't know, but
we're talking about all of this.

1491
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:35,080
I have a a Brazilian employee
who is a great guy named Gus and

1492
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,440
he's a bass player and a singer
and but he's young.

1493
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:43,640
He's like in his mid 20s and his
dog is named Getty.

1494
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:51,040
He's he's a huge, huge Rush Rush
fan, just a massive Rush fan.

1495
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:55,360
And he's like, please, if if you
get, if you do a podcast with

1496
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,440
your friend Howard, can you
please tell him to ask them to

1497
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,720
please come to Brazil?
And I'm like, OK, I'll.

1498
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,640
Ask him, you know something.
This is me asking you, Howard.

1499
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,480
Please tell Rush to go to
Brazil.

1500
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,280
It's in the works.
We're, we're, we're looking at

1501
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,480
everything like, yeah.
Yeah, South Americans, like I

1502
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:16,320
remember if it was R30 or
whatever, it was one of the

1503
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:23,880
videos that that they did and it
was in Rio I think, and I

1504
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:28,040
remember them singing YYZ.
Oh, they they were singing a lot

1505
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,520
of songs.
They they were.

1506
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,720
How do you sing?
You know, there's no, no lyrics,

1507
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:34,840
no words.
Yeah, they go.

1508
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,160
Yeah, I know.
It's unbelievable.

1509
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,960
They were.
They were also.

1510
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,120
They were also crying a lot
there.

1511
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,040
Yeah, there were people with
tears in there, like they would

1512
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,240
come to the hotel where we were
staying, tears in their eyes,

1513
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,240
bringing gifts.
Wasn't Mexico similar?

1514
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,960
I don't remember Mexico.
You know, it's, it's kind of

1515
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,080
funny.
I think it was.

1516
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,360
But I actually actually had a
talk to Liam the other day to

1517
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,840
ask him, hey, did we ever play
in Mexico?

1518
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,200
Well, I think you did really
late, didn't you or something?

1519
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,840
Yeah, I think so.
We did, yeah.

1520
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,080
It's just that I don't remember.
And you had to add, like I

1521
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,560
remembered something about
having to add closer to the

1522
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,680
heart into the set or something.
I don't.

1523
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,680
Maybe I read that in Getty's
book or something.

1524
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,840
I don't know but.
Yeah, yeah, anyway.

1525
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,160
So this thing, this could be one
of those tours that just goes on

1526
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,920
for three years.
No.

1527
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,440
Could be your real retirement
gig, Howard.

1528
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,240
You could die.
You could kick back after this

1529
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:38,880
one.
Finally.

1530
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,880
I don't want to retire, buddy.
I'm no none of us.

1531
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,040
Does none of us does.
In this business.

1532
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,800
You retire, you die, you know,
it keeps you, it keeps you young

1533
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,440
and and active and healthy and
fit and all of those things.

1534
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,120
Well, and in some people's
cases, I think it's all of the

1535
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,760
opposite of that.
It does to you, you know, keeps

1536
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,200
you doing bad things that you
shouldn't be doing and eating

1537
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,200
pizza in the back lounge and
stuff.

1538
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,560
But what else?
What else do we want to talk

1539
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,400
about here?
I don't want to keep you all

1540
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,200
day, but I'm super excited about
this tour like I listen to.

1541
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,160
I am so excited about this tour.
Well, and I'm so happy for you.

1542
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,280
And tell me about who you chose
as your assistant because I

1543
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,320
think that's also something
very, very cool and exciting.

1544
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,480
I love it.
It just shows who you are as a

1545
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:28,720
human too, you know?
I can't talk about my assistant

1546
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,800
at the moment because we have
to.

1547
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:36,040
We have to find a lighting
company before I can find my

1548
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:41,800
assistant, so I have to just
keep that sliding.

1549
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,560
Keep that on the down low.
Got it.

1550
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,200
But it'll be, it'll be whoever
it is, it'll be great.

1551
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,400
Like the years before.
I've used Tim Greedus.

1552
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,840
It was amazing.
Yeah.

1553
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,080
I use, you know, Matt Drewsbic
for a while.

1554
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:58,880
I use Keith Hoagland.
I have Andy O'Toole and a bunch

1555
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,920
of great ones.
You've had some great people out

1556
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,880
there.
Is it hard to be Howard's

1557
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,880
assistant?
It is wondering if I should

1558
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,600
apply for the gig.
No, you would not deal with me

1559
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,800
very well.
And I don't know how to run a

1560
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,240
console.
I don't even know how to turn

1561
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:13,160
one on.
So then.

1562
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:15,080
You would.
I could get coffees and.

1563
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,880
Beers and stuff, you know, like
I could do some of that stuff.

1564
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,160
I have all of that on my
fingertips anyway, so it's yeah.

1565
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,520
Damn it, I thought I had my
chance.

1566
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,200
It's my chance.
So are you saying I still got a

1567
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,640
chance?
Well, yeah, we'll see.

1568
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,680
There could be worse gigs, you
know, being being out on on rush

1569
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,920
for well, and I'm guessing this
is no buses.

1570
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,400
There are no buses on this one.
That's amazing.

1571
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:44,840
Have you ever done a no bus
tour?

1572
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:49,920
No, we're spending a week in
almost every, every city that we

1573
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,040
have the multiple shows and that
is fantastic.

1574
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,800
And even the ones that have two
nights is this days off between

1575
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,800
the two nights.
So there'll at least be a

1576
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:02,560
minimum of four days in the
city, you know, or I haven't

1577
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,080
even seen the travel
arrangements yet, but I know

1578
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,640
that the last I heard there were
no blessings.

1579
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,080
Wow, this is an all flying tour.
That's awesome.

1580
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,840
That is awesome.
Yeah, it is.

1581
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,440
I'm excited for you, buddy.
I, I, I called you as soon as I

1582
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:23,000
heard about it and I was like,
dude, I am so happy for you.

1583
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,840
You know, you're just one of the
good guys.

1584
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,200
You're one of the guys who
deserves this kind of good

1585
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,440
things to happen.
Thanks very much.

1586
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:33,440
I appreciate that.
Yeah, well, I want to, I don't

1587
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:36,600
want to take your whole day.
I'm so happy that you came on

1588
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,960
and and shared a bit of
information about this.

1589
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:45,120
I'd, I'd love to talk to you
again, you know, maybe on a

1590
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,520
break from the tour next year or
something.

1591
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,160
If there is any breaks, I'd love
to hear how it's going and

1592
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:51,640
stuff.
I'll certainly come out and see

1593
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,440
it at least once.
And.

1594
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:55,080
I'll see you when you come out,
you know.

1595
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:56,840
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I'm excited.

1596
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,680
I'm excited for you.
I'm excited for the band.

1597
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,000
I mean, I'm sure it was an
incredibly hard decision for

1598
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,360
them to make you.
Know a hundred 100% on that.

1599
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:12,080
There's no band that I can think
of who are tighter than those

1600
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,800
three guys, you know, and the
surrounding family, which you're

1601
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:20,760
part of as well.
I can't think of anyone tighter

1602
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,760
than those those guys.
They're good guys, Yeah.

1603
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,760
They are very loyal to their
employees.

1604
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:32,600
Yeah.
And you know, we basically kept

1605
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,320
the back line crew intact.
That's awesome.

1606
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:39,080
Which I can, which I can talk
about, yeah, You know, they'll

1607
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,960
be a bunch of new people, will
be a new sound, that upfront

1608
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:43,560
sound that.
Yeah.

1609
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:50,640
Sound engineer and mixer, new
monitor mixer too, and they're

1610
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,520
all going to be great.
Yeah.

1611
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,040
This will be a renewal tour
improvement.

1612
01:28:56,440 --> 01:28:58,240
Yeah.
They're not recording though,

1613
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,240
are they?
Don't know.

1614
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,480
Huh.
We don't know.

1615
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,840
I'm sure they'll do something.
They'll do a video maybe?

1616
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,280
No, I meant recording.
They're not recording new music.

1617
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:13,480
Not that I know of, but they
haven't shared any of that.

1618
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:15,560
No, she.
May inspire them, You never

1619
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,000
know, like.
You don't but this again.

1620
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,960
Nothing, nothing about Neil
because greatest drummer in the

1621
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:28,080
world, but just having someone
new and you know, 30 years

1622
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,800
younger than them and all of
those things like that could

1623
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,120
really inspire, inspire you to,
to do some new music.

1624
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,240
So.
Who knows, we can hope we can

1625
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,760
dream, or I can anyways.
All right, Howard.

1626
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,080
Well, I appreciate you taking
the time to do this.

1627
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:50,680
Very, very grateful to you and
happy as hell for you and look

1628
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,680
forward to seeing you.
You're too busy to be at LDI

1629
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:59,160
this year, I know, but I'll see
you sometime next year if if

1630
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,600
not.
I look forward to seeing

1631
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,720
everybody out there this year.
Yeah, cool.

1632
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,280
All right, Howard, thanks so
much.

1633
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,040
See you more, so bye bye.