#329 - Lisa Jenkins - Managing Legends: Lisa's Journey in Music - LEADING LADIES

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It's a wonderful business.
It's just so exciting and

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magical, and art is art.
I love all kinds of art, whether

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it's, you know, visual, a
musical theater, dance, you

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know.
So I just think, you know, if

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it's your passion and something
you really want to try to just

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try and go for it because
there's nothing like it when

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you're, you know, seeing a sold
out show or even being at a show

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where there's 10 people and
you're like just cringing for

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your artist, you know, like a,
you know, and you're like, but

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they're up there doing it, you
know, I mean, and they're giving

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it their all.
Even though there's 10 people

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there, you know, you just got to
start somewhere.

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I miss it.
Like, I still have FOMO, you

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know?
And I see people, it's like, oh,

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because once it's in your blood,
you know what I mean?

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It's kind of hard to let it go.
For me, it's just it's fun and

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you can travel and meet
wonderful people and experience

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life in another whole other way.
Hello Lisa, and welcome to

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Leading Ladies Podcast.
Hi.

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How are you today?
I'm great.

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How are you?
Really amazing.

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It's actually quite a nice the
recording.

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At what time is it?
Where?

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Where are you now?
I'm in Columbus, OH, I've been

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here almost seven years.
So Eastern that in the US.

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So you're Eastern?
So I'm in Crete and it's quite

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nice because this is like a 730
recording for me at night.

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And a lot of the times it's like
10:00 at night and I'm like, I

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come to the, it's come to now
and I'm like.

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OK, wake up.
Well, thanks for doing it

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because this is a great good
time for me.

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Yeah, no, it's wonderful.
I mean, I've, we've been sort of

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like, well, we're actually
connected by David Davidian and

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he spoke so highly of you and he
was like, you have to come on

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the podcast and I know we had
some emails back and forth.

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We went, I think you've been
very busy with various thing

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going on.
Obviously I have as well.

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And then I was like, it was
fact.

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It was only what, the beginning
of the week.

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I sent an e-mail and I was like
about two days ago, wasn't it?

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Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, I'm home and not

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travelling and it's like, let's
do it so.

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So.
About.

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Me, yeah, no, I like, not like
I've got my, my little notepads.

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And I was like must, must send
an e-mail now.

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And I always believe I say to
everybody when the time's right,

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the time's right.
And you know exactly this.

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You know, I messaged 2 days ago
and here we are chatting.

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Yeah.
And so how did you meet David?

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Let's let's talk about David
first.

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I was going to say, David is
such a wonderful person and

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colleague.
He actually saved us in the

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middle of a tour many years ago.
We had a tour manager that was

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not working out and of course
I've had to fire and hire lots

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of people over 20 something
years.

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So I can't remember who
recommended him, but luckily he

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was in between gigs and so we
flew him to Boston, I think it

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was.
And yeah, he just jumped right

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in.
And he's such a pro, you know,

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I'm I'm sure our tour was like
easy breezy for him, but he was

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just so great and professional
and you know, it's always you

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never know when you hireright
crew people, no matter what

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position.
The personality is such a big

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component.
And he just like slid right in

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and helped us, you know, deal
with the transition.

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And luckily the tour that we
were on, the band that we were

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on the road with, it was a Co
headline tour.

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Their crew helped us out until
David could come.

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And so it just was it was
wonderful.

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So we just stayed in touch ever
since when he comes through most

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of the time with Alice Cooper,
you know, I try and see him in

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the different cities if we're in
the same place, so.

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I have never met David, but he
came on the Geez of the Gear

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podcast and it was through that
that we were just going

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backwards and forwards.
And then he found out about this

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and said I've got I've got some
great ladies and he gave me some

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of like some lovely people to
connect with.

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And but I'm hoping he will be at
LDI this year.

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He said that he might try and
make it.

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OK.
And I'll be, I'll be there.

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I'm organizing an event, I don't
know if you may or may not have

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heard, called Diamond Dinosaurs.
And there's a daytime event

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called X live now.
And so Kings of Gear myself,

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we're all part of this.
And it would be lovely to meet

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him in person because I said
he's done.

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He's he's been such a wonderful.
Oh no.

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Just yeah, just yeah, exactly
that.

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Just a wonderful person, a
wonderful, like everything.

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The the encouragement he's given
me as well, you know, without

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even knowing me.
He was in Athens this summer and

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I was really hoping to go and
see him.

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But it, I looked at the dates
because he was over with Alice

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Cooper and it was, it was a
festival.

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And I said, oh, David, I said, I
know what festivals are like,

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you know, if it was a stadium
tour or something, then yes, I

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would come over 100%.
But festivals are different.

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You know what as you know.
You're at the mercy of yeah.

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You're at the mercy of them.
You know, you've probably lost

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some of your crew.
You know, you're going in

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nothing's, nothing's how it
should really be.

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So I thought I'd leave it this
time.

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But he did say that he's back
like over it in Europe next

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year, so hopefully I'll get to
see him one.

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Funny worry.
We were flying him in, you know,

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and we didn't obviously tell the
tour manager that we were

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letting go, that, you know, he
was leaving that day.

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So I remember I was kind of
trying to hide outside the hotel

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while I was waiting for him to
arrive to go up inside my

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artist's room.
And the tour bus, the crew bus

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was parked outside the hotel.
And one of our crew came out

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like in his P JS I guess to get
some breakfast.

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And he's like, Lisa, is that
you?

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And I was like hiding in the
bushes kind.

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It was very funny.
And I was like, yeah, hi, don't

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tell anybody I'm here because,
you know, no one knew I was

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coming in.
And so it was.

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It was kind of funny, so.
Is that you, Lisa?

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Yeah.
Yeah, that's me.

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Me over here behind the tree,
you know?

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So what I would love to know is,
and I'm sure the listeners as

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well, please tell, tell us a
little bit about you.

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First of all, I've got a few
things I want to ask you.

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But you know, how did you get
into the industry?

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And yeah, tell me about you.
Well, I lived in New York City

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in the 80s and I started out
working in the modeling world.

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I wanted to be a model agent and
I was at IMG and then Ford

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Models and I was Eileen Ford's
assistant and then I became a

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model Booker and then I was
bored of that.

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And so back then there was ATV
show called Supermodel of the

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World, where all these models
from different countries would

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come and compete to the US.
It was a Dick Clark production

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and Laura Branigan at the time
was one of the guest artists.

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And so after she appeared on the
show and we filmed it, I believe

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down in Orlando that year, I
heard through her management

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that they were looking for
someone to go on tour to be her

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assistant.
And I was dying to travel and

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see the world.
So I applied and got the job and

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I was with her for a few years
and and that was my entree into

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touring and the music biz.
And how did you find your first

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tour?
Oh goodness, it was eye opening.

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I was definitely the kid, the
naive, you know, dumb, dumb kid

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on the on the on the on the on
the on the tour.

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But it was fun.
It was fascinating, you know,

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because I had no idea.
I knew behind the scenes scenes

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in the modeling world, but not
in and music.

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And I just love being behind the
scenes and melting people, yeah

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and yeah.
And being around artists and

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creatives.
I always have my whole career so

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and I love that so.
Yeah, but it's quite funny

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because I I really love doing
all the behind the scenes work.

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Like I, I love all that
especially so it's really

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strange when we started this and
now I'm out front on the camera.

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How did that happen, Marcel?
No, I'm definitely, like I said,

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you're my first podcast.
I know I feel very, very, very

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honoured.
So after the first tour, I mean,

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so basically for those that
don't know, you spent more than,

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is it over 25 years managing
basically one of the most

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respected artists in rock
history, Peter Frampton?

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Like, is that 25 years?
Have I got that right?

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Yeah, it was really over 26, but
who's counting?

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You know what?
Yeah.

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No, you got to add that one.
Yeah, no, you've got to add

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that.
Yes.

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Wow.
So how did that connection

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happen?
I was in Nashville living at the

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time and I was looking for a job
and his business manager who I

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knew said, would you like to,
you know, meet Peter?

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He's looking for someone.
And I was like, sure.

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This was like the late 90s, you
know, So I was like, where's he

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been?
You know, it was AI was a fan.

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So I wanted to meet him and just
see.

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And we just hit it off like that
morning at breakfast, like by

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the end of the breakfast, he
said, let's, let's do this

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because I don't want to be with
the company.

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I've been with lots of companies
and I just wanted to do it one,

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one and build, you know, myself
back up.

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And I was like great.
And it was such an opportunity

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for me, you know, because I was
an assistant to managers up into

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that time for years.
And so he believed in me and I

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first saw something in me that I
so am grateful for, you know,

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and gave me a chance.
So it was really, it was great.

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It was really fun.
I love you.

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Just said the right word there.
He believed in you.

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Yeah.
And and that's, that's, that's

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all it takes is someone
believing in you that you can do

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it.
You may have only say only, but

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being, you know, an assistant,
you know, you didn't have ACV as

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a manager, you know, but he
believed in you.

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And 26 years later, you know the
I mean not just the stories, but

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the, the, the whole life you've
you've shared with each other.

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But yeah, it's it.
Must be absolutely.

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In part, as you know as managers
you get involved in the personal

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lives you get involved.
So it's definitely a very deep

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rooted relationship.
And and for I don't know, maybe

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I'm speaking.
I don't know, I think I'm

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speaking.
You can tell me.

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You become part of their family.
They trust and you're not just

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the manager.
You, you become a best friend

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and you become a best friend to
the whole of the family as well.

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And they trust you, the children
trust you that, you know,

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everybody looks at you, you
know, not as a manager, but as

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part of the family.
That is it you that you're and

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you're taking care of the loved.
Ones.

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Yeah, absolutely.
It's a huge responsibility.

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Yes, yes, I did not take it
lightly.

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You know, it was it was a big
deal to like make the jump from

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assistant manager, but I had
done that for years and years.

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So I was ready, you know, and I
just and met Peter at the

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perfect time, so.
And again, perfect timing.

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I mean, back in the days in
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I mean, what what was the scene
like when you was getting

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started in Nashville?
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I moved to to Nashville from Los
Angeles with the Gold Mountain

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Entertainment, which was a big
management company in LA.

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They had Nirvana and the Beastie
Boys and David Foster the

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producer.
It was great Bay LA Fleck and

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the Fleck tones like a very
diverse, you know, Lenny Kravitz

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for a while whole.
So it was an amazing time to be

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in LA in the 80s and you know,
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And so they wanted to open a
Nashville office.

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So I volunteered and another
manager, his assistant didn't

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want to go.
So we went to Nashville, open

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the office.
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mean, it was nothing like today.
It's very shocking every time I

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go back.
I mean, I would beg my friends

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in New York and LA to come visit
me in Nashville and they're

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like, we're not going there.
It's he hostile.

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And I'm like, you know, and it
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that many nice restaurants or,
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It's nothing like it is now.
But I just was ready to be home

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in the South because I am from
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And I had been in New York City
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or 6 years.
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back closer to home.
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different.
And Music Row was really, you

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know, all the record labels and
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Everybody was right there.
It was like a college campus,

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you know.
Yeah, because when you work in

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LA, people are so scattered out,
you know, like I would work for

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years with people at labels and
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it was too hard to meet them for
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and Nashville was like great,
they're like 5 minutes away

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everybody.
So it was nice.

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Yeah, I just.
I'd love to have been, you know,

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part of that scene then, you
know, does.

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And I think, you know, times
have changed, you know, really,

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I mean, even since I've been
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can see the change in, in people
in, in, in everything.

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And it's not so crazy anymore.
I mean, it still is crazy, but

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it's not so crazy.
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Which I think is a good thing.
Yeah, no, it definitely evolved,

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you know, somewhat, you know.
So I mean, what initially drew

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you to artist management, like
even from the model side of

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things, you know, early on, like
when you was growing up, you

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know, what drew you into this,
this profession?

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Oh, I just love music growing
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And I remember when I was really
young, like 6 maybe or five,

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when I'd hear a song on the
radio, like I was obsessed.

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I love Elton John so much.
And I thought the artists were

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there at the station.
So I would like, mom, we got to

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go right now.
They're there right now.

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Like, I didn't understand it was
a record they were playing, you

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know, or And so I just, yeah,
music's always been a part of my

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life.
And I was a total Osmonds Big

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Donny Osmond, Donnie Marie
Brothers like so it's always

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been there, you know, so and
like I said, I moved to New York

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City to pursue another career,
but those are my 2 best fashion

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and and music are my my my
favorite things so.

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Do you OK, you can't say you you
regret, but could you have seen

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yourself staying in the like
modeling side of things longer?

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Or you really had had enough of
that and you knew that your

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heart was in music.
You had to somehow get into

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music.
No, I stumbled upon music and I

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was ready for a change.
And honestly, I went back.

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When I moved to LA from New York
City, I didn't know anyone in

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the music business in LA that
much except Laura's band and

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some of the crew.
So I went back into working with

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modeling agency in LA until I
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And then I went to go Mountain.
So I found that job in the back

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of The Hollywood Reporter
because back then they would

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list all, you know, job
listings, so.

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Not like you have to scroll
through stuff now.

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Yeah, now it's all online, but
back then it was like, you know,

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then you would look at the trade
magazines, whether it was

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Billboard or Hollywood Reporter,
things like that.

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And I mean, as an artist,
management, like, it can be

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incredibly rewarding, I imagine,
and incredibly demanding.

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Like what has been your biggest,
like, lesson in balance in both

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like the rewarding times, the
demanding times and kind of

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staying?
I mean, you seem extremely calm,

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you know, and just.
Yeah.

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I mean, it's definitely hard
that, you know, that life work

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balance when things are going
on.

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But I definitely had my freak
out moments, you know, and

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things are getting intense.
And we had a horrible situation

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years ago where one of Peter's
bandmates passed away on tour in

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Europe.
And I thought I was having a

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nervous breakdown because that,
you know, the family.

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It was just, it was a lot.
And, you know, it was awful.

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And we have two incredible crew
people, our production managers,

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Scooter Oi and Carolyn Jones,
They stayed with Bob.

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It was Bob Mayo who was our
keyboard player for, you know,

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he was on for Empty Comes Alive.
And Peter gives him a shout out,

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you know, like everybody knows
Bob Mayo on key keyboards and on

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keys.
So that was, I think, one of the

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worst.
Oh, I bet.

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And especially in Europe, you
know, you're not even.

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Yeah, you don't know and what to
do, like trying to get to the

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embassy, right, and asking them
and the protocol and not leaving

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a body that, you know, like it
was very, very like we flew

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everyone home except Scooter and
Carolyn, who were we're not

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going to leave him, which was
great and and eventually got him

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back here.
But that was what probably one

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of my toughest times.
And also the effect on, you

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know, the crew as well.
You know, actually, I mean, I, I

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don't, OK, I don't know.
I went to work with The

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Lumineers this.
Yeah, like at the beginning of

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the year.
And they were the most wonderful

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bands, like hold through the
management, really.

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They were totally amazing.
And sadly, there was one day I

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came into the dressing room area
and it was like, like, I just,

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you just tell that there's
something wrong, you know, And I

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wasn't the first.
I wasn't a person that anyone

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was going to tell me, you know,
I was just walking around.

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I was like, something's up, not
too sure what's up, but

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something's up.
And then anyway, later on we

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found out that his brother had
died.

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And Oh my goodness, it was just,
I mean, it was just awful.

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You saw, I mean, again, crew
members have been part of this

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band for so long.
It was their brother, you know,

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it was their their member of
their family totally out the

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blue.
And anyway, of course, the next

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thing was, you know, we were set
up where we've loaded in.

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Is he going to play tonight?
And that's the hardest.

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I mean, I have total respect for
him.

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Like what?
Yeah, really total, total

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respect for Wes because he did
go on and perform and he

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dedicated everything, you know,
to him at the end.

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But everybody said that was like
one of the his best performances

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ever with just the emotions that
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And then there was rumours that
the rest of the tour we only had

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like another three, I think 3
gigs left, maybe that would be

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cancelled.
And he was like, no, he said,

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I'm not.
We're continuing.

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And at first I'm I'm a bit of a
cynic.

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I hate to say this, but I'm, I'm
kind of like, he has to carry

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on, you know it because it's all
the money, it's all this.

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But I generally believe that he
actually wanted to continue.

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One for the fans, 1/2.
I mean, every night was a

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dedication to him.
Every night the crew were

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crying.
I was crying.

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I'd never even met the man.
I admire all artists, really.

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I do.
But they've also got, excuse my

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language.
They've got shit going on, you

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know, and how they can go on and
perform night after night with

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things, you know?
I know that part of what let's

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say I'd know what they've signed
up for.

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But also, we're humans.
They're humans.

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You know, so to go on stage and
for Peter during this time, what

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happened with the tour then?
Cancelled and they came home.

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We went back, ate up the dates.
A few you know A little while

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later though, yeah.
Yeah, and and again, it's just,

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So let's on a good note, what

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would be your I don't know, your
the the most incredible thing,

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the most rewarding that pops to
your mind.

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Now what's something that?
It could be something small,

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could be something huge.
Well, Peter winning is first

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Grammy.
I was a part of that record,

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which was amazing.
I mean, he's been nominated

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before but had never won.
So being there was really

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special.
And then the Rock and Roll Hall

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of Fame induction last year,
which is something, you know,

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we've been hoping for and try,
you know, for years.

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And so being a part of those two
things, I think I see that as a

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pinnacle of my career as well as
his.

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So yeah, I think those two
things are very, very special.

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Yeah, that's a huge achievement
really.

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That's that's yeah, that's that
to be part of it and knowing you

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was part of that like that.
Yeah, you know, I was part of

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that and, you know, organize
with everything that's and one

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thing on your like I always ask
everybody to fill in like a

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guest thing.
But you had, you'd mentioned

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like being kind and a
professional while not taking

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things personally.
Like, yeah, is that your guiding

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principle?
And how's that mindset navigated

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you through difficult moments in
the industry?

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Well, it hasn't worked all the
time because of course you take,

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I think everybody takes things
for, you know, I mean it's

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really hard not to in some
situations.

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So I've tried to get better and
I think I am better at that now.

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But you know, it's very, you
know, you're protective of those

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artists and you're protective of
the banding crew and 'cause you

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work with them some 20 plus
years.

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So you know, it's very hard not
to take things personally

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sometimes.
But I think to me that just

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being kind and listening 'cause
I think, you know, being a woman

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in the business too, you get
talked over, you get dismissed,

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you get, you know, not the
respect I think that some men

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get that don't deserve it, you
know, and the women do in the

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same position.
So, yeah.

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So I just try and be, I've
always been kind, I think, and

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thoughtful and cared about
people.

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And even when, you know, you
have to let somebody go or help

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them get into rehab or, you
know, all those things that you

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know, yeah, yeah, it's, it's
that has been a part of me from

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the get go.
Even we're dealing with the

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models, you know, the baby
models.

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There's like model just starting
out like baby bands, you know,

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in our world.
And so, you know, I'm helping

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mentor them and, and take care
of them.

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I guess because I don't have
kids.

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So I I, I joke that my jobs are
this for my birth control

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because I get happy 12:15 kids,
you know, certain parts of the

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year.
And so, so yeah, I guess I've

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gotten that fulfillment, you
know, that way.

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And how, how, how have you,
because I always like talking

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about mental, heart, mental
health side of things to

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everybody's job or how other
people's behaviour effects you

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and how you deal with things
like how do you deal with it

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when you're on the road or when
you see, you know, the crew

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coming in and maybe you can see
there's a problem or maybe

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someone's like slightly
suggested there's a problem.

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How do you deal with that?
Or how have you dealt with it?

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You just mentioned the rehab.
That's why it kind of.

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Yeah, I think by the time a
manager hears of things, or at

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least in our camp it had, it
would have to be yeah, it's bad,

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00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,160
you know, because obviously the
production manager and the tour

444
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,160
manager trying to handle and,
you know, just get through the

445
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,400
tour and let's like keep
everybody safe and keep

446
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,760
everybody happy or, you know,
which is impossible, of course,

447
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,520
keep everybody happy.
But, you know, obviously if I'd

448
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840
see something, I would ask the
to our manager, the production

449
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,720
manager, I wouldn't go straight
to that person, you know, I

450
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,040
mean, like, hey, what's up with
Ellen?

451
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,640
So I guess some so is are they
OK or, you know, even if they

452
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720
hadn't told me at that point
there was something wrong.

453
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,400
Obviously you can read people
right.

454
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,000
And, you know, if people aren't
getting along or fighting, you

455
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,320
know, in infighting between
yeah, cruise or whatever.

456
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,640
So I would always just go to the
leader of The Who, whatever you

457
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,200
know, torment or.
Production of course, like you

458
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,000
said, generally it would be
sorted out by the crew chiefs if

459
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,960
it's you know, right one like
you said with crew chiefs and

460
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,640
oil work its way up.
You mentioned about like rehab,

461
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,240
like have you seen a lot of you
know, crew members that have

462
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,360
have needed help due to
addictions and things like that?

463
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:59,040
I only speak about this because
I'm I do a lot are promoting for

464
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,960
the behind the scenes foundation
and one of their things is

465
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:10,320
making more awareness to
substance abuse and and bullying

466
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,240
and and all this kind of thing.
And I just just wondered what

467
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,440
your thoughts are on it in
guiding your production managers

468
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,600
and everyone down.
Like how do you encourage them

469
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,480
to have a healthy camp?
Yeah, well, I would be usually

470
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,600
involved in the hiring of
people, even crew like our

471
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040
production manager and tour
manager would help us find

472
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800
somebody and then we would, you
know, I would talk to them, they

473
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,600
would talk to them.
And before we bring them

474
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,120
sometimes to the artists for
approval and sometimes not.

475
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,360
So there was only a handful,
luckily of times that I had to

476
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:53,320
get involved, get help and have
people get help rehab wise.

477
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,520
And these are people that have
been with us a long time, you

478
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,960
know what I mean?
And we cared about them and

479
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960
didn't want to be just like
you're out of here because you

480
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,320
can't, you know, do your job.
And some people can function and

481
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,840
do their job too.
And that's tricky.

482
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,000
So you don't know it, right,
Until, you know, you're living

483
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,560
on a bus with somebody for a few
weeks or months and then the

484
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,360
other crew people see what's
going on, you know.

485
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:17,640
And again, like I said, I would
be the last to know sometimes

486
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,280
because they would try figure it
out themselves and other times

487
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,000
if it was bad, obviously I
wouldn't be the last to know.

488
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,200
And yeah.
Of.

489
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Course, we'd either have to find
placement or you know.

490
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,800
I think it's, it's, I think it's
there's a lot more help and

491
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,920
guidance to happen to having a
happy camp now.

492
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:46,000
And also, I mean, one of the
things that I it's not

493
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,960
necessarily about helping the
other person.

494
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,760
I find think it's helping
ourselves be a nicer person,

495
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,640
right?
So that's kind of like how I see

496
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,320
see it now.
I said even when I went on the

497
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,680
tour, I hadn't toured for ages.
And, you know, I'd seen a

498
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,400
massive change in the openness
of people saying, no, I'm

499
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,200
struggling or this, that and the
other.

500
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,360
And it was really nice to see
how generally there was so many

501
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,400
incredible people on the tour
that really were just there to

502
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,680
help to get through.
And I've been on other tours

503
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,000
where it's like kind of like man
up.

504
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
You know, like.
What's the matter with you?

505
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,200
Which I mean, you can have some
tough love as well, but I think

506
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:42,000
that, you know, you, I think the
way we are, yeah, evolving into

507
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,680
a more more sensitive, but let's
say work proud as well.

508
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,440
You know, we want to do a good
job.

509
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,680
And like you said, when you are
living on a tour bus with

510
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,600
somebody and you're like, oh,
OK, you know, maybe that could

511
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,120
be that could be cause for
consent or I mean, yeah, some

512
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,920
people just can function, which,
you know, is it always baffles

513
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,240
me, but some people can.
Yeah, I I am sorry for the

514
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Dings.
I turned off my.

515
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Actually.
Oh, you can't.

516
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,680
OK, good.
Yeah.

517
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600
I was going to say over here, I
don't know, in Europe, if you

518
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840
have it at festivals now,
there's tents backstage set up

519
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,240
for mental health breaks for
some of the crews, which I think

520
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,200
is amazing.
And also, you know, sweet Relief

521
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
musicians fund.
There's play in music cares

522
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,760
offer, you know, the different
foundations here in the US for

523
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,520
for people in the music
business.

524
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,920
It doesn't have to just be
musicians.

525
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,400
It can be crews, crew, crew
member, band members, you know,

526
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,840
writers.
There's some a lot more

527
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,680
resources I think now.
But also I've heard still of

528
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,920
instances of crew people being
attacked on a tour bus and

529
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,880
having to leave a tour.
So it's not, it's not definitely

530
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,440
often.
I was shocked at that.

531
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,920
I yeah, a friend that confided
in me this year that he had left

532
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760
two different tours and had been
assaulted on 2.

533
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,000
And I was like, are you kidding
me?

534
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Because people were drinking and
getting out of control.

535
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,720
And I'm like, wow.
And yeah, he said.

536
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,360
I just, I don't need this in my
life.

537
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760
And I'm like.
I didn't even really.

538
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,480
I had never heard of anything
like that until you've just said

539
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,160
that.
I know me either.

540
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,400
And I was like, wow, we were
lucky.

541
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,000
Like we never had anything like
that.

542
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Like, yeah, people would drink
after a show or going to be

543
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,920
tipsy or on a day off or
something.

544
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,960
That was never any kind of
violence, but yeah, that's.

545
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,120
It was horrifying.
I've.

546
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Yeah, so.
Did the, I mean I've, I mean,

547
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,040
the way you sort of said it is
that the person that was

548
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,480
attacked left and not the person
that did the attack in, which

549
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
sounds stupid.
Right.

550
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,840
Yeah.
So.

551
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,640
Things are still happening,
unfortunately.

552
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,760
So yeah.
But but you're right, I think

553
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,200
it's gotten a lot better and
there's resources now available

554
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,960
if they want to use them and
stuff.

555
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,040
So.
Yeah, and I mean, what's

556
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,240
something you think people,
let's say, misunderstand about

557
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320
what a great artist manager
actually does?

558
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,480
They think, I think everybody
thinks it's just fun and, you

559
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,480
know, you travel the world and
travel the shows and hang out

560
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,040
with famous people and, you
know, I mean all that stuff.

561
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,200
And, and there are those times
when it's fun and exciting and,

562
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,040
you know, but there's also a lot
of, you know, problems you have

563
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,960
to solve, personnel issues,
strategic planning for record

564
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,720
releases.
And, you know, it's a lot.

565
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,000
I mean, you have a whole team
that you work with.

566
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Luckily there's a publicist and
then there's, you know, the

567
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,880
record label and the booking
agent.

568
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,280
And so there's a whole team that
you get close with and and work

569
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
but.
You still you have to be on the

570
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,400
ball for absolutely everything.
Yeah, I used to describe it

571
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
because my family didn't
understand, you know what like,

572
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,720
oh, you get them on TV and I'm
like, well, I work with a

573
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,160
publicist that and they thought,
well, what do you do?

574
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480
You, you know, do you book the
tour?

575
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,920
No, I work with the booking
agent.

576
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,400
So I finally figured out we're
like the CEO of a corporation,

577
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,080
you know, we're at the top and,
you know, work.

578
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,600
We have a support team
underneath us and you know,

579
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,360
we're just involved in every
aspect of their career.

580
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320
So if you want to get to the
artist, you have to get to

581
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320
management first.
Yeah, I'll go through.

582
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,920
That's actually a great, great
description of it.

583
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840
You know, if you want to get to
the artist, you have to get

584
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640
through you first.
You know, you're the, you're the

585
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,000
blockage and not the yeah,
that's a horrible word, isn't

586
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,440
it?
Sorry.

587
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160
You're the block.
You're the block at the top.

588
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,560
But you, you will also filter
the things that that need to,

589
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,120
that are relevant to the artist,
you know, otherwise, I mean, I

590
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,800
bet your inbox is full or you
know, has been full of all sorts

591
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,440
of stuff and you're, you've been
filtered from your managers

592
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,280
below you.
Yeah.

593
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,360
And I still reckon you get stuff
that you're like, oh, I don't

594
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,280
need this.
You know, it's funny.

595
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,920
I learned a long time ago that I
would show Peter all the

596
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,320
requests because you never know
like who he knows and you know,

597
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,120
I mean, if you don't think, oh,
he would never do this, you

598
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,440
know, I mean no, but I'm not
going to say that I want him to

599
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,240
say no.
So what doesn't come back to

600
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,160
bite me and the, you know, ass
because it's like he will he

601
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,680
will surprise you sometimes, you
know, and do something that you

602
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,040
think you might not want to do
and then vice versa.

603
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,800
But I but after being with
someone that long, you know,

604
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,520
kind of OK, I think this is
going to intrigue them him or

605
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560
he's going to pass on this.
But I always would show it to

606
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760
him because I didn't want
someone to say, Hey, you know, I

607
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,320
sent Lisa this request and and
if he doesn't know about it,

608
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,280
that reflects poorly on me.
So.

609
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.

610
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,320
But I do know there's a say no
to a lot of things just right

611
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,000
off the bat.
And I just, I don't think that's

612
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,120
fair, you know?
Yeah, no, I agree.

613
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,720
And as long as and again, you've
got everything, it's not like

614
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640
he's sieved in sieving through
stuff.

615
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,240
You know, you've got it in
already.

616
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Ready.
OK, Peter, what about this?

617
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,520
What about this?
What about this?

618
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,639
You could be in the car next to
each other asking him the

619
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,560
question.
Right, right.

620
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,280
You know, or you know, or it
could be a meeting.

621
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,040
However, you've always done it.
And I mean, how do you approach

622
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,800
helping artists stay true to
their vision?

623
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,400
All the ones I've worked with
didn't need help with that.

624
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,880
They were not afraid to say no
to something or they would, you

625
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,120
know, they would have requests
that you would, you know, take

626
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,679
and run with it and and try and
make it happen.

627
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,600
Just being their advocate, you
know, and not giving up and take

628
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,679
a no for an answer.
If you get that one here, you go

629
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,920
somewhere else to try and make
it work and happen.

630
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,760
But yeah, I've never like had to
really try and talk people into

631
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,360
anything.
You know, it was kind of like,

632
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,840
you try that a few times and
it's like, OK, the pushback is

633
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,160
there, you know, and you know
that, you know, I'm not the one

634
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,760
up there on stage.
One time I was, I was given that

635
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,800
like, hey, my name's up there,
not yours, you know, and I said,

636
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,000
I disagree with this decision,
but you're paying me to, to

637
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,360
advise you.
So I'm telling you my opinion.

638
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,520
But yeah, you're the boss.
And if you don't want to do it,

639
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,320
then yeah, I work for you.
You don't work for me.

640
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,840
So you know.
I like that.

641
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,560
Yeah, I like that.
And maybe I've misinterpreted

642
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,760
what you've been saying, but in
the 26 years, was you solely for

643
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,800
Peter or was there other things
as well?

644
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,240
No, no.
So we started out together for

645
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,880
about the first eight years and
then we joined Vector

646
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160
Management.
So I had a Co manager, then Ken

647
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:49,560
Levitan who Co managed Peter and
I, I mean I Co managed Peter up

648
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,800
until December where I left
Vector Management and I had

649
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,560
other artists that I managed
while I was at Vector as well.

650
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,840
But Peter was my, you know, the
main day and then I left in

651
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,720
December.
I went out with the bang, with

652
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,880
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
induction, you know, and I

653
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,440
thought I'm ready for something
different.

654
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,640
And I'm still on a producer on
this documentary.

655
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,840
We've been working on a
documentary of his now for six

656
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,200
years, so hopefully that'll be
finished sometime soon.

657
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,560
Yeah.
And I still see him.

658
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,000
I was just in Nashville and we
have dinner and I stopped by

659
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,960
rehearsals a week ago 'cause
he's on the road now this fall.

660
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,080
So it's all amicable and, you
know, friendly.

661
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,360
It's just, I think I was ready
after that to take a break and

662
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,520
spend more time with family, you
know, and, and be present.

663
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Cause yes, I'll be with family.
But if you're on the phone the

664
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,720
whole time, oh, on your
computer, you're not really

665
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,720
there.
And so I thought, you know, I

666
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,360
lost my dad almost four years
ago, and my mom turned 80 this

667
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,160
year.
And I'm like, OK, I need to.

668
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,160
Yeah.
So yeah, So I did that, which

669
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560
was really hard.
You know, it was a big decision,

670
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,840
you know, but I just felt like I
needed to do this, so.

671
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,240
But I think going from, I mean,
I haven't just met you, but you

672
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,360
know, your whole career so far,
you know, every time you knew it

673
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,760
was time, it was time to stop,
it was, you know, whether how

674
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,520
long you've been feeling like
that And also to go out with

675
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,760
such a bang, you know, like,
which is incredible.

676
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,520
So, you know, not only that is a
huge, a huge achievement,

677
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,320
something to be so super proud
of and still parts, you know, of

678
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,520
this documentary.
OK.

679
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,040
And do you, have you got any
like control over the edit and

680
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,320
what's you know, what's going to
be the final like?

681
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160
You mentioned not me personally,
not me, no.

682
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,560
I mean, Peter and the director
and you know, yeah, it's those.

683
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,440
But I bet that was fun to make.
It was really fun.

684
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,200
I love working on that because
I'd never worked on Doc before,

685
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,400
you know, I've of course booked
Peter on a zillion interviews

686
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,000
for other people's
documentaries, but this was neat

687
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,600
to see how it's done and be
behind the scenes on that.

688
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,480
I really liked it so.
Yeah.

689
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,760
And the next chapter, the next
chapter is you're just going to

690
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,960
go to go to see.
Yeah, watch this space.

691
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Yes, yes, I'm asking the
universe and, you know, to bring

692
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,560
me something and we'll see.
I think I just needed a break

693
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,080
from management and you know,
like I said, spend time with

694
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,240
family and that's what I've been
doing this year, so.

695
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,280
Which is a wonderful thing to
do.

696
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,720
I mean, I'd, I live, I live in
Greece, I live away from, you

697
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,840
know, my, my family and I try
and get back as much as I can.

698
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,000
But now, in fact, it was since
COVID, you know, I speak to my

699
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,480
mum every day, every day.
I send it, send it.

700
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,280
I, I, it's as though we are
literally living with each other

701
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,520
anyway.
And I'm really happy for that.

702
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,800
You know, I am happy because I
used to be terrible.

703
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,440
I never used to speak, you know,
you'd be on the road and never

704
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,640
had to.
And I realized, I think a lot of

705
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,960
people realise a lot of things
during COVID, but for me it was

706
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,680
more about the yes, it was more
about the family, it was more

707
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,040
about being present in my life.
I still love to go on tour.

708
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,480
I, I always say to everybody, 1
tour a year, that's perfect for

709
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,760
me.
But just that putting your

710
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600
little toes in, coming back out
and, you know, being present

711
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,080
like with the family and you're
going to Greece next year, which

712
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,520
shame you're not coming to
Crete, but yeah, you're going to

713
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Athens, Corfu and Santorini.
So that's going to be a

714
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,960
fantastic with the family.
Yes.

715
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,360
But I was going to ask you like,
what was it like seeing the do

716
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,600
you feel like?
I do like Memo concert fans and

717
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,000
becoming like the New York Times
bestseller?

718
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,240
Like what did that feel like?
That must have been incredible.

719
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,080
Yeah, that was definitely a
highlight to working on Peter's

720
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,040
memoir.
And it comes out and debuting as

721
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,600
a New York Times bestselling
book was really exciting.

722
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,560
And again, I learned a lot about
the publishing world and

723
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,960
marketing and how they do, you
know, market books versus we do

724
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,040
a tour, a record.
And it was fun.

725
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,720
It was fun to work with Peter.
While he was writing it and you

726
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,200
know his Co writer, Alan Light,
who's a great journalist and and

727
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,080
writer.
Yeah, it was just really fun.

728
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520
And I work with Rodney Crowell
as well on his book.

729
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,000
Yeah, and his last book that
came out, which was kind of a

730
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,680
collage slash scrapbook of
lyrics and photos.

731
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,400
And it was just it's a beautiful
book.

732
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040
So I like, I really enjoyed
working on those two.

733
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,360
Yeah, it really sounds like
you've had an incredible, yeah,

734
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,520
an incredible journey,
incredible journey getting into

735
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,200
the industry, being part of,
like we said, just think like

736
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,360
Peter Frampton.
I mean, you know, come on,

737
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,760
that's just say no more.
And I mean, can you share like,

738
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,640
say, a memory from from the
road, like one of those like,

739
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,440
you can't make this up.
This was like, you know, one of

740
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,760
the best touring moments like.
Let me think, I mean one thing.

741
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,640
I mean one thing that happened
the last time he toured Europe,

742
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,800
unfortunately, while we sold out
Royal Albert Hall in London,

743
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,000
which was really major and that
was exciting, I had never been

744
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,080
there before.
And this was his farewell tour

745
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,920
in 2019, I believe, because he
has a muscular disease that's

746
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,280
like, you know, slowing him down
touring wise.

747
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,920
He doesn't tour like he used to,
but he's still out there, which

748
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,440
is great.
But But anyway, I became the

749
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,960
tour manager for two dates
because our tour manager got

750
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,480
stuck in Belgium.
I think he had got COVID.

751
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,120
So poor thing.
So all of a sudden I was in

752
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,280
London hanging out with a
girlfriend and I got the call,

753
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,680
can you come to Germany and do
the last two dates?

754
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,320
And I was like, sure.
And I'd never done that.

755
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,280
And of course, it was already
advanced and everything.

756
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,000
So it was more just riding on a
bus, which I loathe because I am

757
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,120
not a road dog.
And I cannot sleep, you know,

758
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,240
And so and I couldn't, you know,
take anything to make me sleep

759
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,480
because, you know, when the bus
falls in at the hotel at four or

760
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,880
five in the morning, you got to
get up and get the key, all that

761
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,440
stuff.
So I did not sleep for like 2

762
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,240
days almost doing that, you
know, And I appreciate what tour

763
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,920
managers have to do.
And ours has been with us a very

764
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,160
long time.
Or Peters.

765
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,000
And yeah, he does a great job,
but it's hard.

766
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,400
It's hard work and, you know,
you know, and it's.

767
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,480
Yeah.
So that was kind of a fun,

768
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,400
exciting, very different for me
because I'd never, you know,

769
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960
when I go on the road, usually
it's to take care of guest lists

770
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,920
and big cities, make sure
there's friends in the industry,

771
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,240
people he needs to see say hello
to after a show for that kind of

772
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,960
thing, you know, so.
And you'd probably fly in.

773
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,880
You won't be on the buses.
You know you're not right.

774
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,000
You don't do the whole tour.
You know you'd fly in, right?

775
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Like you said, the big events,
the big, you know, hometowns.

776
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,720
Yes.
All the ones where you've

777
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,520
invited lots of guests and you
know all of that.

778
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,640
So to be on the Have you been on
the tour bus before this or?

779
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,120
Oh, yeah.
But a long, long time ago, like

780
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,960
I, I had been on the road, yeah,
I had been on tour.

781
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,720
But I mean, way a long time ago
ahead.

782
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,080
Oh yeah.
Of course, Even from your first

783
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,440
tour.
Yeah.

784
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,720
But yeah, it must have been a
shock.

785
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,480
I mean, I love, I love being on
the buses.

786
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,520
And it's probably actually a
place where I do always sleep.

787
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,720
But yeah, it's quite funny for
you to say.

788
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,960
Yeah, no.
I know all the band and crew,

789
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,880
that they're all used to it, you
know, And they're like, oh, it

790
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,800
lulls me and rocks me to sleep
and I'm like, yeah, it keeps me

791
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,120
up because I feel every rock and
pothole and, you know,

792
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
everything bounce.
So not a fan.

793
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,480
No, yeah, yeah.
So.

794
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,240
Well, the Royal Albert Hall.
That is one of my favorite gigs.

795
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Like the venues.
Did I say like it is, Oh my

796
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,320
goodness.
And when Curves you've got all

797
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,560
access and you can go right up
to the top and you can just look

798
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,520
down where there's nobody,
you're like, wow, this is like.

799
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,240
Yes, spectacular.
I wish.

800
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,520
I wish I had walked around more
even because, you know, when

801
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,040
you're there and you're working,
you don't get to see like every

802
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,640
night.
I just.

803
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,120
Yeah, I kind of regret not, you
know, checking it out more, but

804
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,800
the boxes and going up there and
watching from a box was special.

805
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,280
And then, you know, just
because, you know, you kind of

806
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,960
run around during the show the
whole time.

807
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,120
I can't just sit and watch, you
know I have to, you know the

808
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,680
other.
Of course.

809
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,200
So yeah, but that's just special
place.

810
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,480
It's beautiful.
Yeah.

811
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,640
So I love it.
I really, I can't thank you

812
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,480
enough for, Yeah, coming on on
here.

813
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,720
What I always normally like to
ask is, you know, do you have

814
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,120
any advice for the younger
generation coming into the

815
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,720
industry?
It is the leading ladies podcast

816
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,200
for ladies as well, you know, in
general, the younger generation

817
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,840
for us ladies like what would be
your, your advice, your lookout

818
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,240
for this and whatever?
I mean, I think you have to go

819
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:24,200
for it and be, you know, just go
to where the action is and apply

820
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,400
and try and jump right in
because you're going to learn

821
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,960
experience.
Boots on the ground is the best

822
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,320
way.
Touring or a management company

823
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,120
may have to start out as an
intern and, you know, work your

824
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,440
way up.
And our booking agencies I think

825
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,560
are more strict about that.
I'm not really sure.

826
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:44,320
But yeah, like I said earlier, I
think being taken seriously when

827
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,560
you're a woman, unfortunately
that kind of still exists in our

828
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,400
business and I'm sure every
business.

829
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,400
But you know, I think believing
in yourself and your passion and

830
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,000
if that's what you want to do,
find a way to make it work.

831
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,720
You know, get out there and
network and try and meet people

832
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,640
or go to events in certain
cities.

833
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,240
You know that it's easy to
schmooze and network and

834
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,320
everything to break in.
You just said that like

835
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,800
networking, a little bit of
schmoozing and I don't know if

836
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,600
you, for me, it's always like
it's not necessary what you

837
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:24,000
know, it's who you know as well.
Yes, those connections and

838
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,120
you've been working for him for
26 years.

839
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,520
Other managements, they've the
same thing.

840
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,920
So there's a very short little
time frame where the new a new

841
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,960
person can come in.
So who's now managing Peter as

842
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,320
an example?
So a lovely manager at Vector,

843
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,720
who I really like a lot is a
person and I knew that Peter

844
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,560
would like him.
Introduce Peter to him.

845
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,480
We had lunch together and Ken
Levitan, you know, my Co manager

846
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,560
at the time that owns Vector, he
chose him and I was really

847
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,240
happy, you know, because Steve's
such a good person.

848
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,160
And of course they hit it off
like I thought they would at the

849
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,520
lunch.
And I, you know, I told Peter, I

850
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,800
think, you know, you'll really
like each other.

851
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,280
And so yeah, so Steve started in
January after I left and you

852
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,400
know, I'm still around like I'm
never going anywhere.

853
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,320
And I said, hey, ever need help
if you ever need, you know, and

854
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,360
Steve, not Steve.
And I've talked a lot, you know,

855
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,280
and but, you know, he's a
manager, so he kind of, he knows

856
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,760
what to do.
So, you know, it's not really me

857
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,240
hand holding or anything like
that.

858
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,520
It's just kind of random
questions here and there at this

859
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,000
point.
We talked a lot, of course, in

860
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200
the beginning because they were
gearing back up to go on the

861
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,800
road and and all that stuff.
So, but yeah, no, I really, he's

862
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,680
a great guy and I'm happy that,
you know, I wanted to leave

863
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,280
Peter in good hands too, you
know?

864
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,280
Yeah, of course.
No, of course you did.

865
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,840
And like you said, you're always
going to be there.

866
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,080
You're a phone call away if if
if need be, you had lunch the

867
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840
other day and with Peter and
stuff.

868
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,960
So that's, you know, that
connection is never going to.

869
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,120
Go Steve and and Ken Levitan are
managing Peter still together.

870
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,400
So Ken Levitan has been with
Peter.

871
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,360
You know that's great 1819
years.

872
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,720
So he and he's the one that
chose Steve.

873
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:16,120
Is there anything else that
you'd want to to mention now to

874
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,080
anybody that's listening?
Any advice from your career?

875
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,080
I just think it's a wonderful,
it's a wonderful business.

876
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,480
Although it's funny, I've heard
people go, no, it's not.

877
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,400
It's a shitty business.
What are you talking about?

878
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,240
It's like, no, but you know,
it's just so exciting and

879
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,800
magical and art is art.
I love all kinds of art, whether

880
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:43,880
it's, you know, visual, musical
theater, dance, you know.

881
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,880
So I just think, you know, if
it's your passion and something

882
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,760
you really want to try to just
try and go for it because

883
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,160
there's nothing like it when
you're, you know, seeing a sold

884
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,320
out show or even being at a show
where there's 10 people and

885
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,560
you're like just fringing for
your artist, you know, like a,

886
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,160
you know, and you're like, but
they're up there doing it, you

887
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,000
know, I mean, and they're giving
it their all even though there's

888
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,560
10 people there, you know, you
just got to start somewhere.

889
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,920
And yeah, I just think it's AI
miss it.

890
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,360
Like I still have FOMO, you
know, and I see people.

891
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,880
Yeah, that's the.
Word like once it's in your

892
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,360
blood, you know what I mean?
It's kind of hard to let it go

893
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,960
for me.
Then I have other friends that

894
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,040
have retired that we're like
booking agents and they're like,

895
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,880
I'm not looking back, I'm I'm
out of here, you know, so it's

896
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,600
funny.
It's everybody has a different

897
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,560
journey, I guess.
And but yeah, it's just it's fun

898
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:36,640
and you can travel and meet
wonderful people and experience

899
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,280
life in another whole other way.
I couldn't agree more.

900
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,000
It's one of AI feel very
honoured to be heard to have

901
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,680
been part of or still part of
the music industry in my small

902
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,400
way.
And it's incredible to meet

903
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:57,560
people like yourself, to hear
your career, everything about

904
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,800
it, like even reading, you know,
a little notes.

905
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,920
I was so excited to talk to you
today because it's, it is eye

906
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,360
opening to for people to hear
what other people are doing in

907
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,040
the industry.
You know it's.

908
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,760
Yeah.
And sometimes people don't

909
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,400
realize what you're doing.
They've got no idea what's.

910
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,920
They don't realize the minutia.
They think it's all the big fun

911
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,880
projects that's like they're so
that is more rare. day-to-day is

912
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,840
not exciting or thrilling or you
know, it's just you're in the

913
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,360
trenches helping plan a tour,
helping budget and trying to get

914
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,640
a budget down.
You know, we're trying to figure

915
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,400
things out.
It's like there's a lot of

916
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,360
minutiae that people have no
idea about for sure.

917
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,000
Yeah, and I mean like budgets as
well.

918
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,160
I mean, that must be such a.
Oh my goodness, that must be a.

919
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,760
COVID, it's just awful.
I think it's so much worse now

920
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,760
after COVID.
I hate to say it, but yeah,

921
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,080
Beth, I love that people are
still out there doing it.

922
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,720
And I think people, I think
people think artists make a lot

923
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,960
more, more than they do after
all the commissions they have to

924
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,880
pay the different people, you
know, and, and the touring is

925
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,640
not cheap, you know what, no
matter what level you're on.

926
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,840
So it's, it's, yeah, it's a lot
of hard work and you have to

927
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,840
really love it to want to do it,
you know?

928
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,240
And I, I think once you, you
either love it or you hate it.

929
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,280
You know, I've seen people come
in, do a tour.

930
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,600
I'm like, Nah, this isn't for me
and never done it again.

931
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,680
I've seen people come in and
just love it.

932
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,640
And you know, it's the same for
myself.

933
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,640
I've just always, I've always
loved it.

934
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,560
I've loved, I've loved that go
that craziness of loading in and

935
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,960
loading out and then, you know,
then you see everybody at the

936
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,520
end and maybe even if you're
just having a beer at the side

937
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,240
of the bus before you fish and
you're like.

938
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,360
I know we did it.
We did it.

939
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,280
It was a great night.
And yeah, I love, I love the

940
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,120
energy backstage and it's just
exciting right before, you know,

941
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,600
the the show starts and the
build up.

942
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,200
It's just really, there's
nothing like it, you know, It's

943
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,680
really.
I tried to here where I live is

944
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:19,520
very, it's very local and let's
say opportunities haven't been

945
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,720
so forthcoming to people like it
has been for me since, you know,

946
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,560
since I was a child.
And when I got to go away,

947
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,920
people don't understand what I
do as, as, as people don't.

948
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:39,240
And now I've got when I first
arrived, they were like 3-3

949
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,200
years old.
And now they're like, well, they

950
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,320
come up for 18 and like they're
asking me and they said, well,

951
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,840
how do I get into it?
And you know, I'll be honest

952
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,120
with them.
I was like, no, you'd, you'd

953
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,080
never make it.
No, you'd never make it in the

954
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,560
tour world.
Like no way.

955
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,360
But then recently I had a young
boy, He's only he's 11 years

956
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,960
old.
He's trying to learn to be a

957
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,200
chef.
And he, I mean, he came to me

958
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,880
with full confidence, a
beautiful spoken and he's and he

959
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,480
was like, Sarah, how do I get
into this industry?

960
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,560
And I said, OK, if you would
like guidance, I will be here to

961
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,760
guide you.
I mean, he's 11 and like I could

962
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,240
see a potential in him because
already, you know, he wants to

963
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,000
improve.
And I said always improve,

964
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,000
always improve, start here,
learn this and blah, blah, blah.

965
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,960
And you know, who knows where
he'll go, you know, but it was

966
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,960
really nice to actually have
somebody as young as that.

967
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,880
That's opening their eyes, you
know, to that.

968
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,960
There's more things out there
than I don't mean to be

969
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,240
disrespectful here, but working
in a Taverner, working, you

970
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,000
know, in this tourist industry,
he wants to get out.

971
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,760
Yeah, it is.
And I think guidance for

972
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,240
anybody, you know, anybody
that's out there that needs

973
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:05,200
guidance, there's lots of people
you can contact and you know,

974
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,080
help get you into this industry
because even start pushing book

975
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,880
boxes, go to your local, you
know, go to your stadium, start

976
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,680
pushing these boxes and you
know, local helper.

977
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,920
I've seen some incredible people
come up and then start touring

978
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,560
just because, you know, in
between time they were pushing

979
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,960
boxes.
Yeah, very willing to do

980
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,840
something that not, Yeah, just
to get your foot in the door.

981
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,440
And that's it.
So.

982
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,880
But anyway, I don't want to keep
you too long.

983
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,360
We've been chatting for ages
now.

984
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,600
But Lisa, thank you so much for
doing this and I.

985
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,440
Wish.
All the best with your next

986
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,160
adventure and your next chapter
in your life.

987
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:54,680
And let the universe.
Yes, thank you so much.

988
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,400
Thank you.
It was a pleasure and so nice to

989
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,880
meet you and thanks for having
me.

990
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,960
Had a real pleasure.
Thank you, Lisa.

991
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,400
Bye.
OK, Bye LA.