#319 - Rod "Red" Gibson - Evolution of the Event Industry

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I believe that that's one of
the, one of Huntley's strengths

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is that he knows the places to
put in the systems.

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So like, efficiency in the
warehouse is always a big one,

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you know, efficiency and be able
to turn around gear and, you

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know, make it work and get it
back out.

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But then when he you, you go to
the sales side of the world.

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Yeah, we use all of the same
systems, but we all work in our

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own, our own way, in our own
niche, right.

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You know, certain guys are more
market driven, like, you know,

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Martin Kelly, who I'm sure you
know, I do.

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He he is more of the concert
touring industry.

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Like that's, that's his niche.
That's where he where he spends

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his time.
I spend a lot more of my time in

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the corporate world.
Yeah, I still do tours because

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I, you know, obviously that's
where I came from and I have

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friends, but you know, but I
don't tour.

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I don't do tours as, as my main
niche.

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It's my main niche is really in
the in the corporate world and

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corporate guys.
Well, hello, and here we are on

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Geese of Gear again, another
episode.

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We got a lot of good ones coming
up again.

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Of course, we always do.
And but yeah, so I actually have

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one that I'm supposed to record
tomorrow.

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And I don't know what's going on
because it is currently

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scheduled to record with Jake
Berry, who of course is the

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godfather of production
managers, I guess, or one of one

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of the the OG production
managers out there.

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And he was the production
manager for the final Aussie

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Black Sabbath show.
And so I actually had him coming

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on to talk about that because it
was obviously a huge event and

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just incredible.
And, you know, Jake talked to me

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about it a little bit and just
said it was really the highlight

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of his career.
He said if I died tomorrow or if

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I retired tomorrow, I'd have a
big smile on my face because

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that was, you know, just
incredible.

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And but then of course, just
yesterday as I'm recording this,

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Ozzy died sadly.
And so I'm not sure if I'm still

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recording this podcast.
So I might be talking gibberish

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right now and you're going, but
I just listened to it.

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Or, you know, it may never
happen, but I really do hope it

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happens because AI like Jake and
I'd love to talk to him about

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this show and just some of the
challenges and stuff with moving

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all those bands through and just
dealing with Ozzy and, and what

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his mood was like and all of
those things, you know, because

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he's he's close with Ozzy or
was.

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So I hope it still happens.
If it does, you'll hear it.

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Hopefully you'll listen to it.
I think it'll be very, very

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interesting.
And if it doesn't, you know,

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then maybe it'll happen someday
when he feels better about doing

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it because now obviously, you
know, with, with Ozzy having

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passed, you know, it's, it's a
sad day.

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So anyways, today's guest is Rod
Gibson, vice president of

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rentals at Christie Lights.
With over 4 decades in the

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lighting industry, Rod has built
a career defined by hands on

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experience, leadership and deep
knowledge across every facet of

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entertainment lighting.
Starting out on the Western

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Canadian club circuit where I
actually met him and knew him,

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Rod moved into touring and
corporate work with W Sun and RA

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Roth, gaining valuable
experience along the way.

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In the mid 90s, Rod served as
the verilite operator and

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technician on the first national
tour of Showboat, followed by

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nearly a decade touring as a
lighting director, designer and

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crew chief with PRG.
Then in 2006, Rod joined Christy

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Lights in Seattle as Operations
Manager, where he played a key

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role in expanding shop
operations and streamlining

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workflows.
He transitioned into rentals in

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2010 and today.
Serves as vice president of

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Rentals.
Rod Rod's practical knowledge

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and show experience give him a
unique edge in understanding the

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needs of clients and crews
alike.

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Outside of work, Rod enjoys
fishing, golfing, and cheery on

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cheering on the Seattle Kraken.
Seahawks and Mariners always

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find time for finding time for
his family amidst a busy career.

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Rod was last on the show a
couple of years ago almost to

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the day and I like the guy and I
look forward to talking with

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him.
So please welcome Red Rod Gibson

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on to the podcast.
Red, What's Happening?

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Not too much.
Are you still red or are you

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like Grey Rod Gibson now?
Well, I refuse to change my name

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to white.
White redheads.

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We don't.
We don't go grey, we go white.

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Oh, there you go.
I, I'm kind of going.

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I don't know what the hell I'm
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So we were talking about bands
in the 80s and 90s that we hung

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out with before we started
recording.

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We did all this stuff we
couldn't talk about while we

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were recording.
But I have an interesting story.

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You know, Greg Cox, I'm sure.
Oh yes.

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So Greg, for those of you who
don't know which he'd like to

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think, you all know who I'm
talking about, but some of you

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probably don't.
Anyways, Greg called me up a

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couple of years ago and he said,
hey, you know, I finally got my

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green card and and I bought a
house down in Florida.

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And I said, oh really?
That's cool.

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I said where he goes, well, I
don't know if it's near you, can

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you tell me?
And I said, well, tell me where

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it is.
And I said send me a, a, a pin

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basically like send me the
address or a pin or something.

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So he sends me the address and
I'm like here in Wellington, I

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live in Wellington.
It's a pretty small town.

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You can't be far from me.
This is bizarre.

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You know, like in a, in an area
with, I don't know, 5-6 million

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people or something.
He lives pretty close to me and

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so I, I put the address on the
map and it's literally like as a

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crow flies probably a half a
mile from my house, but walking

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there it's about a mile and a
quarter or something.

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I literally walk by this place
almost every morning when I'm in

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Florida.
And I said, dude, that place is

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right down the street from me.
And so Greg and I hadn't really

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hung out in years.
Like I talk to him every time

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I'm in Calgary or Canmore my
house and once in five years

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we'll see each other or
whatever.

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But I wouldn't call as close.
We've always been friends, but

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you know, not people that call
every time something happens or

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whatever.
So anyways, he says I'm coming

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down in a few months.
I want you to come.

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My my brother lives right next
door and I want you to meet my

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brother.
I've never met his older

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brother.
So we, my, my girlfriend, then

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now fiance at the time, go over
to his brother's house one night

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for drinks or whatever and hit
it off with his brother.

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So now his brother and his wife
Janine are like our best friends

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in, in Florida now.
We go out with them for dinner

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once or twice a week.
We hang out all the time and,

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and Greg's it's, it's kind of
funny because he's a little

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jealous about the whole thing.
But you know, now Greg and I are

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super close.
He he was out here in Canmore.

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I'm going to stay at his house
in Calgary in a couple of weeks.

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So, you know, it's just weird
how the world happens cause

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like, I've literally been
friends with him since, I don't

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know, mid 80s, early 80s.
And now we're just kind of

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figuring out the depth of that
friendship.

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And we talk, you know, multiple
times per week.

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And he loves Facetiming.
So he, he'll probably FaceTime

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me right in the middle of this
podcast and I'll try and figure

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out how to get him on our screen
and he'll be like, is that Rod

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Gibson?
So yeah, it's just, it's funny,

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you know, I'm, I'm reconnecting
with so many people now that I

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spend a lot more time up here in
Canada especially, which is good

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and bad.
Yeah, well, that's kind of the

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thing like when you move to the
to the US and you have different

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friends here, but it's it's it's
fun when you get to actually see

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people again.
Like I follow Greg a little bit

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on on Facebook and you know, his
his various bands, broken toys

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and whatnot.
I see he's still got his

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Corvette so.
He's got a couple of them, but

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he sold the yellow one, the nice
one, the really nice. 67, yeah.

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Yeah, he sold it at, was it the
Mecum auction, one of the big

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auctions?
He sold it maybe two years ago

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for pretty big money 'cause it's
a big money car, you know.

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But he's got one of the C eights
and and he's got an older, I

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forget what year his older one
is 60, maybe a 6566 perhaps that

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he's rebuilding right now.
So he's always been a Corvette

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guy.
Yeah, I remember, you know, even

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when he was even in Steeler, he
had, he had a Corvette then.

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Yeah, So, yeah.
Yeah, so did I.

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I was part of that gang, you
know, It was Huey Brown, Robbie

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Brown, me, Greg Cox, all driving
around in our silly Corvettes.

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Mark Croissanti.
I don't know if you knew him,

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too.
The guy at Mainly Music.

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I probably met him.
Yeah, he was always on the phone

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getting bitched out by his
girlfriend, so he he was around

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the corner with the phone with
the really long cord, you know?

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Cords on the phone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And in in mainly music, we had
the longest phone cord because

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usually it was for Mark because
he needed to go find a little

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hole somewhere to hide so that
he could get yelled at by his

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girlfriend every day.
So who?

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I don't know if it's still his
wife or not, but might be who

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knows.
So.

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It was funny because I thought
of that of you recently when,

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well, it was just like, you
know, I don't know why I was

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thinking about a different band
that I worked with a long time

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ago.
They were called Young Gun.

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Yeah, I remember that
originally.

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They were like pretty boys and
then they'd be like Young Gun.

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They were managed by Larry
Gilstrom and.

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And Larry asked me where they
were playing at the Commodore in

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Vancouver.
Larry asked me to if I would go

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do lights for them.
I think they had a, they had a

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guy that did lights for them,
but he was doing something else

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at the time.
And so anyway, I went in there

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and programmed that old show Co
board and whatnot.

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But I just remember those guys,
they didn't stay on the stage

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for like more than a few minutes
at a time before they went were

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gone with their wireless stuff
while in the audience and

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running everywhere.
And I was like, yeah, Marshall

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is famous for selling everybody
wireless things from from

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mainly.
It was funny when wireless

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became big, everyone was like,
you know, running around the

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club and stuff and you couldn't
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put a follow spot on the singer
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Oh yeah, you were doing lights.
It's like, yeah, you guys

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realize I can't get you back
there.

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Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's pretty funny.
Young gun.

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I I remember they were really
good.

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And wasn't was Marco the bass
player in that, the same guy

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that played with Guy Jones for a
long time?

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No.
Oh Gee, I'm trying to remember

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his name.
I.

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Can't remember who was in that
band but I know I knew them but

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I just can't remember.
I forgot most of those people.

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Yeah, Brian Howes is he's
actually become a music

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producer.
He's doing really well.

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He's wrote several pretty good,
pretty big songs.

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He he wrote one for a band
called Hinder.

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It's a ballad about, I forget
the name of the song off the top

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of my head, but I can hear it in
my head.

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Yeah, but I know.
The band hinder, but I don't

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know if I'd remember.
This one, I think it was, it was

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a, it was a pretty big hit for
them and I think it's been

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covered by a few people now too.
But he seems to be doing really,

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really well.
It was really funny.

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Like you talk about running into
people.

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I ran into Bobby and Brian.
They had a band, I think they

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were called Deadline, and it was
when I was first out with Kid

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Rock and they opened up for a
couple of shows for Kid Rock and

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oh, that'd be fun.
Walked into the end of the

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pisser in the middle of the
afternoon and sat in there and

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this guy looks over and goes,
didn't you used to do lights for

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us every now and then?
Like, like, Or was Bobby the

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drummer, you know?
Yeah.

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That's hilarious.
No, it's, it's funny because I

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always think I'm going to walk
into a bar or something here in

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Alberta and just go, oh, I know
you, I used to date you or, you

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know, I used to be in a band
with you or whatever.

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But nobody looks the same.
Obviously.

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You know, it's like you wouldn't
recognize very many, especially

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girls, you know, like Can you
imagine running into girls that

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you knew in the 80s and
thinking, wow, she's going to be

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just as hot as she was?
And it's like, who were you

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weren't?
You about like a foot taller

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when you're down.
Right, right.

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Yeah, That's, that's so funny,
but you know it.

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I love slash hate.
Like one of the reasons I got

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out of out of music early is
because I knew that I'd probably

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rot away.
You know, it's sort of in the C

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clubs or B clubs or something.
Not making any money and just

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miserable for my whole life.
Plus, you know, I just wasn't

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making any money really.
And but the guys who are still

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doing it from then, like guys
that I sold guitars to and all

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the club bands and stuff, the
guys from that era who are still

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doing it, it's impressive.
You know, like read Shimizawa,

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he's kicking ass.
He's playing in multiple bands

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and, and actually making a
decent living as a playing

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musician.
Chris Challis, I saw is, is in

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that Mötley Crüe tribute band,
Live Wire I think they're

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called, who are actually pretty
good.

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And Brian Berger, the guitar
player in that band plays in

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like 4 tribute bands.
And it's, it's interesting like

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some of these guys are actually
like Chris.

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I know he has a painting company
so that's not how he makes his

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living.
But you know, the fact that

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these guys can still make a
living playing in bands is

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impressive.
Yeah, I mean, you, I look at

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some of the people that I, that,
you know, I used to work with

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in, in club bands and whatnot,
like Jake Adams, who lives out

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drummer.
He he lives in a Toronto way

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these days, but he's played in a
like a Shania Twain tribute and

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a few others.
And, you know, I, I give him all

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the respect to the world for
like, you know, making a career

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out of a musician.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So many couldn't.
Well, and now that now that the

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old bands are are getting older,
you know, there's a lot of fill

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in roles in a lot of those
bands.

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Like you got a lot of bands who
are touring with no original

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members and stuff.
And like April Wine, I think

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they still have Gillstrom, but
or not Gillstrom.

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What's his name starts with AG
the guitar player.

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ANYWAYS, they still have him in
the band, but he's about to

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retire.
But other than him, there's no

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original and he wasn't even
original.

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He started like I think 5 or 6
years into April Wine but.

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Trooper has no original members.
Correct.

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Yeah, which is wild cause what's
his name?

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Ray has such a unique voice.
I haven't heard that new guy,

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but Ray has such a unique voice.
It'd be a hard one to replace,

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you'd think.
I think who was the the singer

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he was kind of steel.
He played in a band with with

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Brian McLeod, Steele McLeod and
Prisoner.

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Danny Latham was in that band
for a little while.

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Yeah, I I don't know them that.
Was probably off Dame, Dame

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Steele, That's his name.
Yeah, he might have already.

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Singer.
He's a he's a really good,

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really good singer.
Yeah, yeah.

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Very versatile voice, well well
versed in the in commercials.

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He was the voice on the Red
Robin commercials for the Oh

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really?
Yeah.

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Interesting.
Yeah.

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That's better money than playing
in bar bands.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, there's a prism I don't

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think has any original members.
No, I mean.

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What's his name?
The singer died years and years

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ago in a car accident, I think.
I was renting Dorset a foreigner

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recently and you know they
didn't have any original

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members.
One now they don't even have

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what's his name, the guy from
Hurricane who sang with them for

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20.
Years or whatever, Yeah.

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Yeah, now they've got the other
guy who's now the replacement to

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him.
Yeah.

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Jose or Juan or something, some
Hispanic name, I can't remember,

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but he sounds pretty good.
But he doesn't sound as good as

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that guy.
That guy's that guy just did it

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right.
He sang perfectly in that band

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for a long time.
So probably I don't want to

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retire.
But you're 70 and you don't feel

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like touring anymore.
I get it.

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Yeah, you know, I get it.
I'm glad I don't tour anymore,

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you know?
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Give props to all the guys that

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are still out there chugging
away, but you know.

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I mean, and some guys love it,
like Cosmo.

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I talked to Cosmo and I'm like,
how long do you want to do this?

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And he said as long as I can.
I love this.

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Like I love, you know, he, he
hates being away from his wife,

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but everything else about it he
loves.

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He loves being in all these
beautiful cities that he's been

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in so many times.
And you know.

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Well, I would say that that
that's the one part that, you

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know, if there was ever a part
that I miss, it would be

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actually running the show.
And like that, that moment right

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before the show when
everything's ready and it's all

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working and you're set and you
call house lights and, you know,

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you get that little bit of goose
flesh on your arms when the

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crowd goes up.
And yeah, that was always my

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favorite moment.
Yeah, like, well, especially the

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size of some of these shows now,
like when when the lights do

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come on, it's like, whoa, you
know, it's it's incredible.

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The size of and impact of so
many of these shows now visually

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is just unreal.
It's just come such a long way.

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Yeah, like when you're in a
stadium like we did, my, my

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favorite moment of all time was,
was the, the millennial New

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Year's.
And we were at the Silverdome in

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Detroit and I was running lights
for Kid Rock and, and it was

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like, OK, you know, he's going
to come on from stage stage,

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right?
I've done all my my spot calls,

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you know, told everybody what
their their positions were going

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to be.
You know, the first six queues

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of the show, everything was
down.

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We're all set to go and you
know, I get the call on the

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radio.
OK, go on house lights, we're

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ready.
So I, you know, call house

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lights and house lights go out
in the Dome and you know, the

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whole place just goes crazy.
40,000 people just like ah God.

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And right at that moment, my
calm went out.

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Oh no.
So then what?

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So.
Somebody better be another one,

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hopefully.
Started started yelling at the

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upstaging guys to get me A to
get me a headset because this

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one wasn't working.
He had to be a headset with

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believe it or not was not
working.

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I busted that one into a million
pieces against the chair behind

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me and screamed at the guy like
get me a freaking headset.

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I felt felt bad for Derek, He
said.

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Actually he's an old old,
probably my age and he's still

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touring.
He's still doing Coldplay.

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But but yeah, he did get me a
headset finally.

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And I figured for sure I was
fired at that point because it's

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like, you know, how you going to
make the call?

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And but sure enough, the guys
had listened to what I had told

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them.
And Bob came walking out on on

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stage left with a stripper on
each arm and a great big white

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fur coat with a big white fur
hat on.

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They picked him up and walked
him up to the front of the stage

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and the band hit the first first
notes and everybody picked up

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their targets.
And about that point, I got my

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headset back and I was able to
call the rest of the show.

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That's awesome.
It's that talk about longevity

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in a career.
Like who?

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Who had the bingo card with Kid
Rock still playing live gigs

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like crazy and selling them out
at in 2025?

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You know you.
Said.

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I don't.
He's a smart guy, you know, He

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was always.
Smart guy.

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Always fun to talk to about
business like I like.

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I really learned a lot from him.
I was always very interested in

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the business side of the, the
things.

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I learned a lot from him, you
know, and I asked and I, you

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know, put questions to him like
then I'd asked other artists

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like Sarah McLachlan told me a
whole lot about how record deals

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worked and whatnot Once Upon a
time.

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And yeah.
And I remember to ask Bob, I

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said, well, you took some money
to this is the first album, like

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Devil will out of cause first
album you took money for.

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And he said, yeah, I said, and
he said I said, well, did you

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get any?
How did how long did it take to

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get money back?
He said I had to sell 3,000,000

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albums before I saw one, one
cent.

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Wow.
And he and I didn't take that

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much money.
But, you know, it took 3,000,000

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albums to get it back.
And the first thing he did when

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he got money was he went out and
he bought all his old publishing

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back.
So smart.

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Yeah.
So we were doing I was on like

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my second or third tour with him
and was a for he had just

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released a new album called
History of Rock.

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And I said, say you sold like,
you know, you and I had this

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chat about like making money and
you sold about four and a half

446
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,480
million copies of this album
already.

447
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,560
And but you're at like 9 million
copies and heading for 10 in a

448
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,280
hurry of of devil.
And I said, but I said, most of

449
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,160
the songs are remakes of old
songs, except for American Bad

450
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Ass and, and he and I said, so
what's the deal there?

451
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,680
And he just started to look at
me because, oh Red, I'll make

452
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,320
way more money off off of
history than I'll ever see from

453
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280
Devil because he owns all the
publishing.

454
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's, it's amazing how many

455
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,680
people don't learn that.
And, you know, like I read about

456
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,080
so many of the issues with the
contracts in the early days, you

457
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,720
know, in the in the early 80s
and stuff when bands were

458
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,040
breaking and then realizing
that, you know, between the

459
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,240
lawyers and the record
companies, they didn't get much

460
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:48,320
money from those album sales,
you know, and obviously since as

461
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,520
things have shifted over time,
it's only gotten worse because,

462
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,960
you know, now they make
fractions of a penny on.

463
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,320
On Apple Streaming.
Spotify or whatever.

464
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Yeah, so it's the whole industry
is flipped from where it used to

465
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,960
be the the fans went on tour to
to promote the album and now

466
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,680
they go on tour to make money
and they put the songs on

467
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,280
Spotify to promote the tour.
Yeah, well, but you know, back

468
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,960
in the day, like in the early
80s and, and when record

469
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:21,120
companies were signing like, you
know, hundred $200,000 sort of

470
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,960
cash upfront signing bonus
record deals.

471
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,480
And then they were paying for
recording the album.

472
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,600
They were paying for all the
production costs, they were

473
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,560
paying for everything.
And you still got a cut though.

474
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,800
Like you still got a cut when
they sold a record.

475
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,440
It's like, you know, if they
sold the record for 10 bucks at

476
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,720
the time, you were probably
getting $1.00 and they were

477
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,680
getting 9 or whatever, but but
you were still getting a cut.

478
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,760
And then once all those costs
got paid back, you got a bigger

479
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,840
cut and, you know, so it wasn't
as bad, I guess way back then,

480
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,880
you know, then it just got
disgusting after a while where

481
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,320
you could never make the money
back.

482
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,960
I don't know why my screen just
froze here.

483
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,840
That's interesting.
Hang on a second.

484
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,200
Let me see if I can fix this.
Something bad is happening.

485
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,920
Oh.
There you go.

486
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040
Yeah.
I'm back, yeah.

487
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,880
So.
It is interesting how that, I

488
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520
mean, in, you know, and in those
days, like there was a little

489
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,440
bit more of, you know, the tour
was was the fun part, you know,

490
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,080
because it was there wasn't,
there wasn't such a a big push

491
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,600
on making money.
Yeah.

492
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,840
On the tour.
The tour was to sell albums.

493
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,120
Yeah.
So, you know, they weren't, they

494
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,960
weren't as as budget conscious
and you could give away tickets

495
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,720
and, you know, bring those
backstage and.

496
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,720
When, when Rush were in their
heyday.

497
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,480
Well, actually early in their
heyday.

498
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,200
This was This was early Rush, so
probably just before moving

499
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,000
pictures.
Chemistry.

500
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Yeah, maybe even earlier than
that.

501
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,360
But they played at the Max Bell
Arena in Calgary.

502
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,560
And I remember reading an
article in the Calgary Herald

503
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,040
where they interviewed Getty
and, you know, they said, man,

504
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,960
that place was totally full and
you guys must be making all

505
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,160
kinds of money from this gig.
And he goes, well, you know,

506
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,360
that's not really how the
economics work on touring.

507
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,720
And they were like, well, you
know, I know it was sold out,

508
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,240
which I don't remember how how
many seats were in Max Bell, but

509
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280
maybe 4 or 5000, I guess,
something like that.

510
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,520
And, you know, I know it was
sold out and tickets were, you

511
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,440
know, 30 bucks each or whatever
they were.

512
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,520
And he said, yeah.
So, you know, do the math.

513
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,880
It comes to $100,000 in in
income coming in.

514
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,400
But the members of the band, the
actual musicians only end up

515
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160
with $1000 each.
That's what we get paid for that

516
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,360
gig.
And I just, I never forgot

517
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,720
reading that interview because I
was like, you got to be shitting

518
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,400
me.
You know, my favorite band in

519
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,760
the whole world and, you know, a
band that sells out these small

520
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200
arenas or or theaters or
whatever and they're getting

521
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520
1000 bucks each.
Like that's ridiculous.

522
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,160
And I should actually ask Howard
about that one day 'cause he

523
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,320
probably got the rest 'cause I
know Howard did most of their

524
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,560
settlements and stuff.
Like he was tour manager, you

525
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,520
know, production manager,
lighting design director.

526
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400
I think the only thing he didn't
do is sound, and he probably did

527
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,400
that at one time too.
I'm.

528
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,960
I'm positive he did.
Yeah, I'm positive he did.

529
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,560
He has some unbelievable stories
about his days with Rush, you

530
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,800
know, which were plenty
obviously, but.

531
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,000
You know, have you ever met Liam
Tour manager?

532
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600
I don't know.
He was unexpectedly one time

533
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,160
when I was in Nashville, he was
in Nashville and it was before

534
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,640
their last tour.
Oh, production manager for Rush,

535
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Yeah, yeah.
And I have met him, yeah.

536
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,840
Yeah, so anyway, he and Huntley
Christie ended up talking and I

537
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,760
was actually meeting Huntley in
Nashville.

538
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,480
We were going to discuss opening
a Nashville shop.

539
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,560
And so anyway, we had met with a
bunch of people, but he gets

540
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,400
this phone call and he says, oh,
I've been trying to get a hold

541
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,840
of this this guy for a long
time.

542
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,480
And so gets him on the phone and
it's Liam.

543
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920
And he says, OK, well, well,
where you want to have dinner?

544
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,840
And, and turns to me and, and
I'm like, I don't know,

545
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,400
somewhere with a steak, I guess.
So anyway, we ended up going out

546
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,120
for dinner at the Palm, which is
right across from Bridgestone

547
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,680
and sat down.
And basically it ended up being

548
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,240
like 2 1/2 hours of him telling
us old Rush stories.

549
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120
And both Huntley and I are like
huge Rush fans.

550
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,320
That was the first band I was
ever like really into.

551
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Me too.
And you know, I saw them in

552
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,280
Regina at the Egg X Pavilion.
Had to be less than 500 people

553
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,360
there.
Wow.

554
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
They had they were.
The stage was only like 3 or 4

555
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,240
feet high and they had like
projection screens with

556
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,320
Battlestar with Battlestar
Galactic and the arm behind when

557
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,600
they were doing 2112.
That's probably when they were

558
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,760
touring in a station wagon.
Like seriously, like Howard was

559
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840
telling me about this tour.
The first, well, the very first

560
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,200
tour he did with Rush was in a
station wagon with the whole

561
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,360
band and some of the back line
gear in the back of the station

562
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,560
wagon, you know, and driving
through snow banks and just

563
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,360
going, what did I do wrong?
Like why did I agree to this?

564
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,120
So well, well, and Liam said
that they were what was it the

565
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,960
the first time that he started
with the band, he kind of

566
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,800
started doing backline and they
were they were playing what was

567
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,360
that club that that used to be
in Toronto that everybody played

568
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,280
the.
The Elma combo.

569
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,960
The Alma combo I was thinking.
The Alma combo is like the

570
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,040
famous Live at April Wine at the
L and the Stones played there

571
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,960
like a lot of bands played.
There this is the one where most

572
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,880
of the the heavier bands of the
day played right on anyway he I

573
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,560
can't he said they had to sneak
him in because he was underage

574
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,560
that's.
Hilarious, that's.

575
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Working for the band and being
underage, like that's how long

576
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,120
he's been working for the band.
Why?

577
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,040
You know one of the one of the
Howard stories?

578
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Did you ever do the Sportatorium
in South Florida?

579
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Oh, probably.
Called it the Snortatorium.

580
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,360
It was in Pembroke Pines, FL,
And so the very first house I

581
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,600
ever bought was in Pembroke
Pines, FL.

582
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,680
And I had no idea at the time
until one day somebody from the

583
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,240
industry came to my house.
And he goes, you know, what's

584
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,160
right back there?
Like that pile of rubble that

585
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400
used to be the Sportatorium.
I'm like, get out of here, what

586
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,080
are you talking about?
And he goes, oh, yeah, It was

587
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,440
the most unbelievable concert
venue.

588
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,880
Like, this is probably 93 or
something, right?

589
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080
I learned this and like,
everyone used to come to my

590
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,480
house and go, you know, I saw
Rush and Max Webster right

591
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,320
there, right in where that was.
So I talked to Howard about it

592
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,280
on the podcast.
And Howard said, did I ever tell

593
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,320
you the story about the
Sportatorium gig?

594
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,760
And I guess I can't remember
exactly what happened.

595
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Maybe it was one of those times
when they delayed it because of

596
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,960
the baseball game or something
and a riot started and and they

597
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,720
had to like, I think get the
band out of there on a

598
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240
helicopter or something.
I can't remember the story, but

599
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,600
it was a great story.
And I was like, wow, I like

600
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
looked out my back window at
that place, you know, after it

601
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,520
was gone because they tore it
down.

602
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,920
But they kind of left part of
the foundation there until they

603
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,520
eventually built something else
there.

604
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,640
So it.
Was pretty cool.

605
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,480
It's funny when you look at
those, some of the venues that

606
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,040
are gone and you know, and the
joy that I felt when I found out

607
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,680
that they were gone.
Like, yeah.

608
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,720
The igloo in Pittsburgh was one
where I was like, oh, I'm so

609
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,960
happy that I'll never have to go
into that building again.

610
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,360
Boo, it's gone.
Yeah, yeah.

611
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,720
You know, some of the venues
have gotten better over the

612
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,120
years.
Like, I've been the first time I

613
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,040
ever went to Red Rocks, it was a
lot.

614
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,320
It was not what it is now.
Like now it's a lot easier to do

615
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,679
the rigging and the load in and
like, yeah, you know, we always

616
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,679
used to say, hey, it's a
beautiful venue to see a show

617
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,000
in, horrible venue to do a show
in.

618
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,360
Yeah.
You know, if you're the crew.

619
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,560
Everyone always said it was the
worst in and out, but, you know,

620
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,760
while the show's going on, it's
a stunning place, you know, with

621
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,280
the rocks in the background and
stuff.

622
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,920
But yeah, it's, it's all pretty
interesting.

623
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,360
You know, these these venues
seem to come and go a lot

624
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,679
quicker now, though.
Like, you know, I remember when

625
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,679
the Saddle Dome opened and I
guess it's a bad example because

626
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,360
it's been around a long time,
but I remember the first

627
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,880
concert, the first hockey game I
saw there and stuff.

628
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,520
And you know, it's about to be
imploded for the new building

629
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,440
soon.
Yeah.

630
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,960
And.
I saw I saw Van Halen there on

631
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,240
in 1985.
I think it was the 1984 tour.

632
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,640
I lived in Edmonton at the time
so I saw it the same show but in

633
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,400
Edmonton.
But at the call it Northlands.

634
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it.
There it was.

635
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,080
That was a fun show.
That was the one with like 1000

636
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,400
Park Hands or something, wasn't
it?

637
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,000
Or no, that might have been
David Lee Roth.

638
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Well, David Lee Roth had a one
of my buddies actually did the

639
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,720
the Edom and smile to her and he
said that the only stipulation

640
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,360
of the of of a David Lee Roth
tour was they had to have more

641
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,560
lights than Van Halen.
I just remember it was like just

642
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,480
this barrage of pars, yeah,
Chrome pars, you know, and the

643
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,720
and just so many of them.
And the 1984 sign, it was the

644
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,520
first time, you know, like, like
they actually like turned it

645
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,280
over and it was like, oh, you
can do that.

646
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,880
That's a big thing to to turn
and then turn it on and move it

647
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,920
side to side.
Have you listened to Alex's book

648
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,480
or read it called Brothers?
No, I haven't.

649
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,160
After Eddie died, he he wrote it
really, really interesting book.

650
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,480
You know, like he completely
avoids the entire Sammy Hagar

651
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,240
era.
I guess he didn't like Sammy

652
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:08,600
very much, but just all of the
really cool detail on, you know,

653
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880
his relationship with his
brother, of course, his

654
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,160
relationship with Dave and just
from their earliest days, how it

655
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,040
all happened.
Like I hadn't heard a lot of

656
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,680
these stories.
So I was a huge fan like most

657
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,880
people and just it's a pretty
cool book.

658
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,600
It gets boring at times, but
it's a pretty cool book.

659
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,120
It's just interesting to hear
all the behind the scenes stuff

660
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,840
with their family, you know?
Have you ever had anybody

661
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,240
threaten you with like, or not
threaten you, but like, ask you

662
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,760
like?
So how come you've never written

663
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,200
a book about all your
experiences?

664
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Yeah.
Well, the fact is I've actually

665
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,960
tried a few times, but I get
bored very easily, you know, so

666
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
I'd need literally like what
Cosmo's doing.

667
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Cosmo's got a ghostwriter, you
know, So he's got a guy that

668
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,280
basically he sits down with for
an afternoon and just tells him

669
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,480
stories.
And you know, the guy puts that

670
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,400
into words and then gives Cosmo
the chapter.

671
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,440
He reads it 5 or 6 times and
then says you need to remove

672
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,760
this, fix this, change this, you
know, so I'd have to do it like

673
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,400
that.
And I just have too many other

674
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,360
things going on.
But I'll tell you what I am

675
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,320
going to do at some point is I'm
going to do a geysers of Gear

676
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,800
book that's going to basically
each chapter will be some LD or

677
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,160
production manager or maybe Red
Rod Gibson or you know, whoever.

678
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,640
And each chapter will just go
into, you know, a group of their

679
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,960
stories and you know, it'll just
cover a lot of really

680
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,040
interesting people in, in our
industry.

681
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,440
And they'll be short chapters,
you know, but a lot of them

682
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,160
because I've had 300 and
something guests now, so.

683
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680
It's that's kind of good though.
Like did you read Nook's book?

684
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,520
I did, yeah.
Yeah, like I like the way Nook

685
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,600
did that.
It was just experiences.

686
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Like each chapter was like an
experience.

687
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,240
So you would finish the whole
the chapter and move on to the

688
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:01,160
next one you know?
Yeah, I, I loved, I loved Nook's

689
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,480
book.
There's a few people who have

690
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,920
written sort of shorter books
like that that I've really

691
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,600
liked.
And, you know, I'm sure as we

692
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,200
all continue to get older, we're
going to start seeing some tell

693
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,640
all books coming out at some
point, you know?

694
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,400
Well, that's always the, the,
the fear, right?

695
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,720
It's like it's people ask me,
well, could you write a book?

696
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,320
I'm like, well, maybe like Nook
did, but even then it's like you

697
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,200
still got a, you know, name
names and stuff and, you know,

698
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,440
not necessarily itching to name
names of a whole lot of or

699
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Cosmo.
'S not going to, Cosmo's not

700
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,880
going to he's, he's going to
name names of of, you know, I

701
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,640
was on tour with so and so.
But he's not going to say I saw,

702
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,480
you know, Steven Tyler, you
know, doing something terrible

703
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,840
under the stage or whatever.
Like he's not going to get into

704
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
any of those stories, which is
what most people want to read,

705
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,600
really, you know.
Yeah.

706
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,320
I mean, I don't want to hear the
happy stuff.

707
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,280
Tell me the bad stuff.
Yeah, I want to hear about

708
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,920
Lynyrd Skynyrd when they were
all screwed up.

709
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,040
Yeah.
I, I don't know if I already

710
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,320
told you this story, but I
remember I was at one of the

711
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,800
Lynyrd Skynyrd gigs with Roth
and they were in some kind of a

712
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:15,440
panic because what was the Leon?
Leon, I think in Jacksonville or

713
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,680
something, the night before they
played and after the gig, you

714
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,920
know, he met some bikers or
whatever and decided, hey, I'm

715
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,080
going to go party with these
guys.

716
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,440
But he didn't tell anybody.
He just followed them.

717
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,880
And off he goes, right?
And so it's like noon or 1:00

718
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,800
and sound check is at like 2:00
or whatever it was, right?

719
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,400
And nobody knows where Leon is.
Nobody's heard from him.

720
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,160
Nobody saw him at the hotel, you
know, nobody knows anything.

721
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,800
And so it's like now it's like,
I don't know, 1:00 in the

722
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,680
afternoon or something.
And Leon comes walking in

723
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,600
through the back gate at the The
Shed in West Palm Beach.

724
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Called.
This week.

725
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

726
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,320
He just comes.
He comes walking, me too.

727
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,360
He comes walking in the back
gate.

728
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
No, no shoes on his feet,
wearing the same clothes from

729
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,720
yesterday, you know, just like,
hey guys, you know, And they

730
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,400
were all just like, what the
fuck?

731
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,840
Like, what is going on with this
guy, you know?

732
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,280
But that was that was him,
apparently.

733
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,720
I don't know much about the guys
in Lynyrd Skynyrd, but Ross said

734
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,400
yeah, he does that stuff all the
time.

735
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Yeah, well, the first tour I
ever did with Lynyrd Skynyrd was

736
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,840
in 93, and he wasn't in the band
at that point.

737
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,880
He had He had been
unceremoniously placed on leave

738
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,120
for incidents like that.
Yeah, those types of behaviors.

739
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Far worse, I guess, yeah.
Yeah, it was like Steven Adler

740
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,880
do.
Do you remember when Steven

741
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,040
Adler said who gets thrown out
of Guns and Roses for doing

742
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,520
drugs?
Well, which is?

743
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Kind of funny and true, you
know?

744
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,800
Yeah.
Not to name names, but the the

745
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,440
LD for Skynyrd prior to my
joining had been had been let go

746
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,680
and for those reasons I was and
at that time I said the same

747
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,480
thing.
I was like, how can you get

748
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,040
tossed out of Lynyrd Skynyrd for
doing too many drugs?

749
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Yeah.
I mean, there's just so many

750
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160
drugs out here that.
Yeah, well, I think you got to

751
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,840
fuck up pretty bad.
Like you got to, you got to do

752
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,760
something really wrong to get
into that type of a situation

753
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,920
where you're basically raising
your hand and saying pick me,

754
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,800
I'm an asshole, you know.
But as long as you kind of keep

755
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,680
your head down and, you know,
don't make a lot of noise or

756
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,680
whatever, don't cause problems
for the production manager or

757
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,120
the management team or one of
the artists or something, you're

758
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,360
gonna be OK generally.
Or back then.

759
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Nowadays it's a little more
frowned upon, obviously.

760
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Yeah, it's a different world
now.

761
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,120
Yeah, so I'm, I'm technically as
of right now, tomorrow morning

762
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,040
I'm doing a podcast with Jake
Berry and to talk about the

763
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,120
Aussie gig.
And so then yesterday, of

764
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,360
course, Aussie dies and so I
don't even know if we're

765
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,080
recording it now.
Like I sent it.

766
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,840
I sent a text actually just
before I started with you.

767
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,520
Hang on.
He just text me back.

768
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,440
I think.
No, he didn't.

769
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,160
So I sent him a text right
before I started just saying,

770
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,800
hey, I understand if you don't
want to do this now, you know,

771
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,360
because we really just wanted to
talk about because he told me

772
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040
the other day, he said, Marcel,
if I retired tomorrow, I'd

773
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,800
retire a very fulfilled and
happy person.

774
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,080
It's the greatest gig I've ever
done in my life, that one the

775
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,840
most meaningful, one of the one
of the craziest, but just

776
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,960
unbelievable amazing.
And, and so I said, let's talk

777
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,440
about it.
And he said, hell yeah, let's do

778
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
it.
And so I was really looking

779
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,560
forward to doing it.
But again, I'd understand if he

780
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
didn't want to anymore.
I know he was pretty close with

781
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,280
Ozzy actually.
Yeah, well, I was actually, I

782
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,720
was a little jealous of, you
know, some of the guys that got

783
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,360
to do that gig because to be
there.

784
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,280
And it just looked like, to me,
it just looked like it was like

785
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
one of the most fun things
because everybody kind of parked

786
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,440
their egos and and, you know,
like, and just like seeing some

787
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,000
of the old crew guys like, you
know, and how how everybody's

788
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,640
aged and whatnot, but just all
still out there doing it.

789
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640
And, you know, and the band
guys, like I said, looked like

790
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
they all just parked their egos
and had fun.

791
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Well, and it almost seemed like
a rehearsal, like they were

792
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,480
learning songs as they went, you
know, because which I they

793
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,360
probably were like a lot.
Really.

794
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,320
Really.
Jamming?

795
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,360
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun.

796
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,360
I mean, there was there was some
bad music that happened

797
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,640
occasionally, but you know, who
cares?

798
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,760
Like.
Part of the experience it.

799
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,960
Was so cool.
The whole experience was cool.

800
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,680
It was sad to hear Ozzy singing
some of the stuff how he sang

801
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,840
it, you know.
Sad to see him sitting down in a

802
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,360
throne as opposed to being Ozzy,
but it was amazing.

803
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,600
And what a fitting end to the
whole thing.

804
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Like it's like, I'm sure it's
going to come out from Sharon at

805
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,280
some point.
That he knew he was dying.

806
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,480
He knew he only had a couple
months left when they planned

807
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,200
this and he was in a rush to do
it.

808
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,440
He wanted to give one last show
to the to the people and then

809
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,320
check out.
And I just think it's so fitting

810
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,600
how the whole thing happened.
Like, would I like Ozzy to be

811
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,560
here forever?
Sure.

812
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,600
I love Ozzy, but you know if you
gotta go, what a cool way to go,

813
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,200
man, what a cool way to go.
You know, with a, with a, with a

814
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,760
tribute from, you know, don't
teach your fans, but like all of

815
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
your peers through the years,
you know, like the the people

816
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,960
that he took on tour with him
and yeah, you know.

817
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Bands he helped break bands, you
know, just every, every like

818
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,320
just seeing the tributes pouring
in on social media is wild.

819
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Like every bands that I haven't
heard from in years and years

820
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,080
and years, putting stuff out
there and everybody's got

821
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,520
pictures with Ozzy, everybody's
got, you know, stories with Ozzy

822
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,120
and stuff.
I mean, obviously because I had

823
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,920
an impact.
I I never worked with Ozzy.

824
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,240
Yeah, yeah.
I mean.

825
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,880
Never ran into him anywhere.
I knew lots of people that did,

826
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,360
but.
Yeah, well, I met him.

827
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,640
I met him at actually, it was
the Max Ballerina.

828
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,120
OK, I forget who it was that I
knew, but I knew like I think it

829
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,800
was Motörhead opening for them
and I think there was a third

830
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,400
band and I knew somebody in the
third band or something.

831
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,840
So I had passes and I got to go
back and meet him and I didn't

832
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,880
really, it didn't faze me at the
time because I wasn't a massive

833
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,880
Ozzie fan yet.
I became bigger one later.

834
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,280
But but it was Ozzy, Randy
Rhodes, Rudy Sarzo, I believe,

835
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,280
and Tommy Aldridge.
And then what was the keyboard

836
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,280
player's name?
The guy who played with them in

837
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,440
the early days?
I forget.

838
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,920
But I mean, what a band.
They were unbelievable.

839
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,520
I was blown away the whole time
and and it was the last, I think

840
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,000
it was the last show of the
tour.

841
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,080
And so they were playing tricks
on each other them in Motörhead.

842
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,440
And I remember like, was it
Motörhead that somehow got up

843
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,920
into the rig and they were
dropping like, or spraying

844
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,160
whipped cream or something down
on Ozzy?

845
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,840
And and then I think, or maybe
it was vice versa, maybe somehow

846
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,120
somebody got up and and we're
shooting shit down at them from

847
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,520
the rig.
And then Ozzy I think came out

848
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,560
and got Lemmy in the face with a
pie during his show or

849
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,520
something.
Yeah, they were just goofing

850
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,880
around.
They were doing a lot of funny

851
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,120
stuff, but it was a cool gig.
But yeah, I saw, I saw Ozzy

852
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,680
there.
I saw Ozzy at the Corel and I

853
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,720
saw Ozzy at the Saddledome.
Wow.

854
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,240
And then here in at the Coral
Sky and probably at the arena

855
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,480
here too.
I've seen Ozzy way too many

856
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:51,200
times at Oz Fest a few times.
So see, I was always, I was

857
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,560
always touring with somebody
else.

858
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,840
And so those moments when you
you sometimes get a little

859
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,040
crossover on tour, a day off or
something.

860
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,240
But yeah, never happened with
with Ozzy.

861
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,280
I was never ever did any of the
Oz fests or any of that stuff.

862
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,600
So always appreciated his music.
And you know, a lot of the guys

863
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,240
that I worked with told great
stories.

864
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,000
Michael Keller said great things
about him and yeah.

865
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Talk about a great profile
picture for Michael Keller.

866
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,080
You know, him sitting in the
throne, Did you see that on his

867
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,040
on his Instagram or Facebook or
whatever?

868
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Yeah, I mean, just killer.
Like actually he put it that

869
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,760
picture up on something and
someone said if that isn't your

870
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,360
profile picture like today,
you're an idiot.

871
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,240
And boom, it became his profile
picture as it should, you know.

872
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,320
But then like yesterday I think
he posted one of him and Ozzy

873
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,920
like chatting or something and
you know.

874
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,640
Yeah, I have AI have a thing
about profile pictures these

875
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,160
days.
You still haven't got over it.

876
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,960
Jesus, man.
When you lose to the Panthers

877
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,680
two years in a row, you'd think
you'd get over it more quickly,

878
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,200
you know?
Yeah.

879
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,720
It actually hurts more.
Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

880
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,960
But I will say that I got to go
up to Edmonton for Game 5 and I

881
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,680
know one of the best things.
I actually felt bad for you as

882
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,040
much as I wanted to beat you,
but I felt bad for you because,

883
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,880
you know, you are so invested in
the Oilers.

884
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,360
Like I would be with the Flames.
If the Flames were going, you

885
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,880
know, to the Stanley Cup Final,
I'd be in that kind of a

886
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,080
position too.
But you know, you're so invested

887
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,440
in them.
And, you know, I guess from a

888
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,120
depth standpoint, I've only been
a Panthers fan since whatever,

889
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,000
1991 when they started in
Florida.

890
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,160
And at the time I was still
really only like 20% Panthers,

891
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,840
80% Flames.
And then it kind of that bar

892
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,760
moved a little bit to sort of
the middle.

893
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,320
And it's always sort of a game
time decision which shirt I'm

894
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,920
going to wear when the flames
are playing in, in, in Florida

895
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,040
or whatever, right?
Yeah, I'm that way with the

896
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,200
Kraken now, you know, Yeah, you
know, I have season tickets, I

897
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,840
go to the games.
But you know, you don't throw

898
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,000
away 30 plus years of or 40
years or whatever is now of of

899
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,320
cheering for the Oilers.
Yeah, Yeah.

900
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,680
Well, especially when they've
been pretty shitty for a while

901
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,480
too.
And now they.

902
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,960
Yeah, you.
Follow through all of that.

903
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,000
Now they have the best player in
the world and and you know,

904
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,560
maybe that arguably 2 of the top
three or four best players in

905
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,320
the world.
And and you know, you get pretty

906
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,080
excited about that kind of a run
until bam, you hit a brick wall.

907
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,320
This guy right here.
Matthew Kuchuk.

908
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,720
Matthew Kuchuk is the brick wall
that you keep hitting.

909
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,120
I, I got to tell you that I find
it a little bit of a funny

910
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880
story.
I was recently, I have an

911
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,000
Edmonton Oilers putter, which is
a hockey stick and it's got the

912
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,360
Oilers logo and everything on
it.

913
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,520
And it's actually what I used to
putt with it replaced in my bag.

914
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,240
It replaced the Martin putter
that I got from you many years

915
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,560
ago when I was working with Yes,
but.

916
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,320
But anyway, is it as bad at
hitting the net as as McDavid

917
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
was in this series?
Just kidding.

918
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,320
Actually, what what happened was
I played in a tournament.

919
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,200
ATK Sound Company has a little
golf tournament every year.

920
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,760
There's 120 or so people there.
And I went and played in it this

921
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,000
year and the tournament started
with a putting contest.

922
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,040
So the putting contest was about
65 feet away from the hole.

923
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:31,120
And anyway, after 120 people
hit, I had the best shot of

924
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,240
everybody.
I was 6 inches from the hole.

925
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,800
Damn.
And from 65 feet and nobody else

926
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,000
was closer Jesus but I so I
thought I'd with.

927
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,200
Your Happy Gilmore.
With with Maya Minton Oilers

928
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,840
putter.
So I thought I had won, but it

929
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,560
turns out there was a six person
playoff.

930
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,520
So, so I ended up in this
playoff and there was, I think I

931
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,480
went fourth out of six and the,
and I putted and it went right

932
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,240
down right to the hole.
I was just like, it's going to

933
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:03,920
drop in the hole.
And when it got there, it went

934
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,200
just like, just like my dreams
of the Stanley Cup.

935
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,240
It rimmed.
It rimmed the hole.

936
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,200
And went up.
Yeah, yeah.

937
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680
And and the guy behind me had
been standing right behind me

938
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,920
and just followed my line and
dropped it right in the hole.

939
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,240
Yeah, Jesus.
Well, and it sucks because in

940
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,720
the big. 5000 bucks.
Too in the big group you were

941
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:26,720
closest and then they make you
go again and and you're not, you

942
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,480
know, like that sucks.
That's how they used to in F1.

943
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,240
That's how they were doing that
Sprint thing where you actually

944
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,520
lost positions in the in the
race.

945
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,240
If you, you know, failed a
little bit in the in the Sprint

946
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,240
race that they did.
It was kind of stupid how they

947
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,560
did it.
Like you qualify on pole, but

948
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,000
you don't start on pole because
you didn't do well in the Sprint

949
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,160
race.
Well, that's stupid.

950
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,240
So.
But yeah, so tell me this

951
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,880
because we haven't spoken since
the lovely playoff series that

952
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,680
we were in.
Was it was it harder this year

953
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,080
or last year?
This year.

954
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,680
Really.
Yeah, like last year sucked, but

955
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,600
you know.
Because you were so much closer

956
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,920
last year.
Well, but it was such a well

957
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,800
that was it was it was the big
comeback, almost the reverse

958
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,120
sweep.
I mean, there was a lot of

959
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,080
positives that were going on
and, you know, and I like, you

960
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,240
know, me, I'm pretty positive
about like, you know, hey, I

961
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,440
don't ever leave a sporting
event until it's over.

962
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Yeah.
Doesn't matter what the score

963
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,640
is, you know, might be a
blowout.

964
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,160
I'm there till the till, really.
They blow.

965
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,640
Good for you.
That's amazing.

966
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,960
Not me.
Let's go.

967
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,480
Not me.
When we're down four goals, I'm

968
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,320
out of there.
Yeah, I always stay and I and I

969
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,120
was like, so I was still
confident, you know, and I was

970
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,840
like, so, you know, when they
took it to within one goal in

971
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,680
game seven, you know, almost
made the reverse sweep, I was

972
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,680
like, yo.
I was shitting myself.

973
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,600
Yeah, I was.
Losing my mind at that point.

974
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,880
Yeah, so I and, you know, this
year I was a lot more confident

975
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,960
going in.
Felt like, you know, and then

976
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:04,320
with the game one win kind of or
fairly dominant, I felt like,

977
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,920
you know, we were going to be on
our way.

978
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,200
Yeah.
But then, you know, I remember.

979
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,760
How follow your posts.
I followed all your posts, but I

980
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
don't talk a lot of shit because
I learned that lesson really on

981
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,600
because I early on, because I
used to with football, I used

982
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,800
to, you know, being a Dolphins
fan and a Dolphin season ticket

983
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,680
holder for 100 years.
I used to get into it with Jets

984
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,920
fans.
We're going to kill you.

985
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,280
We're going to you guys suck.
And we'd be up two touchdowns

986
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,640
and I'd be like, yeah, you're
out, you're losers.

987
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,640
And then next thing you know,
you lose by a field goal or

988
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,360
something.
And it's like, oh Jesus.

989
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,160
So I keep my mouth shut for the
most part, believe it or not.

990
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Like even our bet scares me
because I just feel like I'm

991
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,480
jinxing myself as soon as I like
if I buy a stock, short the

992
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,360
stock, you know, if, if I'm
picking A-Team, go ahead and bet

993
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,560
against me because you're
probably going to win usually

994
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,560
so.
Well, apparently the.

995
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,200
Yeah, well, apparently it didn't
didn't hurt you in any way, so

996
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,240
yeah.
Yeah, so.

997
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,520
So for those of you who don't
follow either one of us on

998
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:16,520
social media, Rod had to do a
Panthers thing.

999
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:21,080
A Panthers logo for his Facebook
profile for a week.

1000
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,960
For one week, yeah.
And it would have been.

1001
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,400
It would have been the would
have been the reverse if it had

1002
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,520
been.
Yeah, I've I've never had an

1003
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,080
Oilers logo on my Facebook
profile.

1004
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,320
Remarkably so.
And it was funny, funny things

1005
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,800
like, you know, like years ago,
like you tell, you know, like I

1006
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,440
say, I never leave a game.
And you know, like, but I lived

1007
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,760
in Atlanta for I worked in
Atlanta for a lot of years and I

1008
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,440
lived in Atlanta for seven
years.

1009
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,920
So I have a big history with
Atlanta and the first city I

1010
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,720
ever lived in that had a had an
NFL team.

1011
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,400
So of course I followed the
Falcons and was big Falcons fan

1012
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,240
and went to games.
And so when the Falcons played

1013
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:08,000
the Patriots for the Super Bowl
and we're up big time at half

1014
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,760
time, yeah.
And I and I had put the, the

1015
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:17,600
other bad part was funny part
was I had done, I had put $20 on

1016
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,600
the Falcons to win the Super
Bowl at 44 to one at the

1017
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,680
beginning of the season before
they played Game 1.

1018
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,760
So that was like a $900 payout
on 20 bucks.

1019
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,320
And I was like, so I was
counting my money at half time.

1020
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,360
Yeah.
And was very disappointed so.

1021
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,640
So was I, by the way, because,
you know, there's no way I'm

1022
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,200
ever going to bet for the
Patriots.

1023
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,560
And, and I hated their run.
It made me crazy.

1024
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,400
You know, it was just like if
you had to get beat by the

1025
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,720
Flames every year, which is why
I've always hated the Oilers

1026
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,280
because, you know, the Flames
had finished with the

1027
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,880
President's Cup, you know, and
the others would beat us in the

1028
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,280
first round or whatever, you
know, like it just happened

1029
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,200
every year.
It was just so painful until

1030
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,400
1989 when they finally beat the
Oilers and went on to win the

1031
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,800
Cup.
So yeah.

1032
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,200
Yeah, well, I have a special,
special place in hell for for

1033
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,080
the Patriots because of the
Falcons loss and then also

1034
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,120
because of the zoos loss because
of course I live in Seattle, so,

1035
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,880
you know.
But the Falcons game was

1036
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,440
special.
That was just like, how do you

1037
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,680
fuck up that badly?
You know, it was just

1038
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,920
disgusting.
It was just like, do everything

1039
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,440
wrong and make every mistake you
possibly can in 1/2 of football.

1040
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,280
Let's see, come on, go, let's do
it.

1041
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Get it done.
That's it.

1042
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,440
It was mostly in 1/4, wasn't it?
It was mostly in the fourth

1043
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,480
quarter, yeah, really.
Because in the third quarter

1044
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,480
they were still, you know,
moving and everything.

1045
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,400
And then suddenly it was like,
OK, holding call.

1046
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,280
They just shit that anyway.
Completely, yeah.

1047
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,160
That was that that would hurt.
And, you know, and then, of

1048
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,400
course, there was the Seahawks
and the the infamous.

1049
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,440
So why didn't you hand the ball
to Marshawn?

1050
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,160
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

1051
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,320
Another tough one.
Well, I mean, it could be worse.

1052
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,880
You could be a Dolphins fan and
you just haven't even sniffed a

1053
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,880
Super Bowl in a long, long time.
So, you know, I mean, and I was,

1054
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,080
I had season tickets for almost
the entire Dan Marino era, you

1055
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,000
know, which was amazing, but
very painful too.

1056
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,760
You know, like, I, I think the
first year I got season tickets

1057
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:27,120
was 93, maybe 92 or 93.
And so we got to see a lot of

1058
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,320
good football, but never a Super
Bowl and hardly even playoff

1059
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,880
games that often.
You know, so tough.

1060
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,960
It's tough being a Florida
football fan.

1061
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,160
Or a Miami football fan anyways,
because Tampa's won.

1062
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,120
Well-being a Florida hockey fan
doesn't seem to suck so bad.

1063
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,280
Tampa it's.
Pretty good.

1064
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,560
I got to say.
It's pretty good.

1065
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,240
But you know what though?
Like without geeking out too far

1066
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,000
because we're boring the shit
out of people already.

1067
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,240
But I will say, and again, it's
going to sound biased and maybe

1068
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,240
it is a little, but I think the
Panthers are doing a master

1069
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,880
class in building a team, you
know?

1070
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,000
And whereas the Oilers are
spending, I don't know what

1071
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,240
percentage of their entire
budget on two or three players,

1072
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,600
the Panthers are pretty even
right across the board.

1073
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,800
And you know, like there's some
bumps in there.

1074
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,960
Of course, some guys who are
making 8 million or whatever,

1075
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:24,480
but nobody's making 12 or 13.
And and that's what it takes I

1076
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,520
think right now cuz if you look
the biggest payrolls, we're out

1077
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,880
fairly early.
Yeah.

1078
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,480
So Toronto, Edmonton.
Yeah, yeah.

1079
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,360
So, and I mean, some of those
markets like Toronto, you can't

1080
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,400
underpay.
You have to spend the most money

1081
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,560
because it's like the Yankees of
of baseball is, is the Maple

1082
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,080
Leafs of Toronto, right?
You got to spend whatever it

1083
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,440
takes to get these guys, you
know?

1084
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,960
Which is why everyone speculated
that McDavid would be in Toronto

1085
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,440
next year or whatever.
But which he still may, who

1086
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,000
knows?
Yeah, I find it highly unlikely,

1087
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,360
but.
Yeah, well, why would you go to

1088
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Toronto?
You know, I mean, when you know,

1089
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,760
like that's the thing you got to
be careful of when you're asking

1090
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,640
16, seventeen, $18 million a
season, you got to realize that

1091
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,120
they're not going to be able to
build much of A team around you.

1092
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,320
You know you're taking too much
money at that point, right?

1093
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:16,840
So.
It'll be you want.

1094
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,320
To go somewhere to win, yeah,
it'll be.

1095
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Interesting to see how Vegas
does with, you know, they've

1096
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,080
they've got a lot of cap space
tied up in a few players so.

1097
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,560
You guys got some guys too in
Seattle, right?

1098
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,080
You didn't.
You get Schmidt from us.

1099
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,240
We got Montour.
No, but this year didn't you get

1100
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:43,280
our defenseman Schmidt, 88?
He was like a rented player for

1101
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,960
us.
He played one season with us, I

1102
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,240
think.
Could be but.

1103
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,160
I, I saw a couple guys or one
guy anyways, I thought that went

1104
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:56,280
from the Panthers to Kraken.
So, but yeah, it's, I mean, I

1105
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,080
don't know, I wouldn't bet
against the Panthers again this

1106
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,840
year.
We got the entire team back and

1107
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,360
and and.
Bob so.

1108
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,160
Yeah, and Bob's still around.
He ain't going anywhere anytime

1109
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,840
soon, so we got a good backup.
So yeah, should be a good year

1110
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,600
again.
We'll see.

1111
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,760
Although, and I haven't checked
this, I meant to check it but

1112
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,640
somebody told me the other day
that Kachuk is getting surgery

1113
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,560
and won't be playing until like
December.

1114
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,280
Oh.
So, you know, from that same

1115
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,440
injury that he was out at the
end of last year, lower body

1116
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,920
injury, which they aren't really
saying, oh, they did say what it

1117
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,360
was.
He had some real significant

1118
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,520
problems that he played through.
Yeah.

1119
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,520
Like and he I can't remember.
Exactly.

1120
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,080
Kind of did it to himself at the
Four Nations I think too so.

1121
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,560
That was part of it.
Yeah, for sure.

1122
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,760
Yeah.
That was that was wild.

1123
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,760
Him and his crazy brother in
that game.

1124
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,400
That was nutty.
Completely nutty.

1125
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,680
It was fun to watch, but not
very bright.

1126
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,320
Not real bright.
So, Oh yeah, the lighting

1127
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,120
business.
Yeah, that.

1128
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,200
Or do you think we've talked
about it yet?

1129
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,560
We haven't even talked about the
lighting business yet.

1130
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,800
So I.
Think I assumed a new position

1131
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,160
since I talked to you last.
What are you now?

1132
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:15,600
Vice President, Rentals.
Sweet for the, for the company

1133
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,080
or.
For there's a bit of a reorg in

1134
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,840
how how Huntley has run the
company.

1135
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,040
So there's a couple of vice
presidents.

1136
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,560
So it's not like I'm the vice
president of registers.

1137
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,040
There's several others that have
have the same title.

1138
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,720
Yeah.
We have teams of people that we

1139
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,680
work with within the company,
so.

1140
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,320
You're not still at 4 wall
though, where like, everybody's

1141
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,080
a senior vice president of
something.

1142
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,280
No, no. 4 wall I think
absolutely everyone.

1143
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,920
There, everybody's there.
I think the senior vice

1144
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,920
president back is a senior vice
president.

1145
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,680
Yeah, Senior vice president of,
you know, shipping, you know,

1146
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,320
the shipping guy.
Yeah.

1147
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,760
It's, it's wild.
They they throw out titles

1148
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,800
pretty pretty quickly, pretty
liberally.

1149
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,240
Yeah.
So we'll see.

1150
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,760
Well, that's cool.
But I'm also still working as a

1151
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,560
as a an account manager so.
Yeah, yeah.

1152
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,360
Several accounts that that you
know, I like Dirks Bentley.

1153
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,560
I pretty much will always do
that one forever, I'm sure.

1154
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,720
And then I'm gonna do a lot of
corporate work still with

1155
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,960
Microsoft and SAP and HP and.
Just small.

1156
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,120
Names Adobe.
Yeah, small names like that,

1157
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,880
little companies.
Little companies that.

1158
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,720
Spend a little bit.
That's cool.

1159
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,880
And you know, I mean, Huntley
still being in the game is

1160
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:27,920
awesome.
I like it.

1161
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,040
Like he last time I had dinner
or lunch with him, he said.

1162
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,920
You know what, Marcel?
I love working.

1163
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,800
I love what I do.
Like, obviously he hasn't needed

1164
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,280
to work in a hell of a long
time.

1165
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,680
Who was it?
Somebody was telling me that he

1166
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,800
knew that Huntley was on a
different level when he he,

1167
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,400
Huntley said, yeah, just stop by
my house and pick that thing up.

1168
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:54,040
And so he stopped by his house
and, you know, on this massive

1169
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,000
freaking wooden door at the
front of his palatial mansion.

1170
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,240
And a Butler came to the door
and he said, OK, I get it.

1171
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,360
I see where this is going.
So good for him.

1172
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,120
Yeah, good friend.
I'm a Butler.

1173
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,800
I've never seen a Butler in his
place.

1174
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,920
But no, I would love to have a
Butler.

1175
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,920
Yeah, that'd be cool.
I don't really know what butlers

1176
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,720
do because, you know, I've
always been poor.

1177
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,840
So, like, what does a Butler
actually do?

1178
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,360
What will they do for you
besides answer the door?

1179
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,960
Yeah.
But yeah, he's things have been

1180
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,080
going well.
The company's doing well and I

1181
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,680
think we're setting record
records for, you know, most gear

1182
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,800
utilization and most money that
the company's ever been brought

1183
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,960
in so.
Those are really good records.

1184
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,040
Yeah, yeah, those are really
good records.

1185
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,120
Like utilization rates is
amazing.

1186
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,520
And I know you guys have built
all kinds of really cool

1187
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,160
efficient systems and stuff and
like even, you know, I see some

1188
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,960
of the requests that come in for
gear that you're looking for and

1189
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,880
stuff.
Just I like the systems that are

1190
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:03,080
being built.
And it's, you know, I think very

1191
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,320
similarly to Huntley in that
regard.

1192
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,360
I just don't have the budgets
that he does.

1193
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,560
But I believe in, you know, you
don't.

1194
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,440
What's the saying that I love so
much, but I can never remember

1195
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,080
it.
You never rise to your goals.

1196
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,240
You fall to your systems.
And so I'm a big systems and

1197
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,520
process guy.
Like not to a point where it's

1198
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,760
rigid and you know you can't do
what you need to do to take care

1199
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,520
of a client, but to a point
where you know things are, are

1200
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,080
systematic and they're built in
a way that you can replicate it

1201
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,760
over and over again.
And the expectations on the

1202
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,600
customer side are similar all
the time because they know what

1203
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,280
they're getting.
They know how you deliver

1204
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,880
things, they know how you do
things, they know the process

1205
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,040
versus like, I've, I've had a my
small company with three or four

1206
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,640
salespeople in it who all do
things four different ways.

1207
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,560
And it's just like, what are you
doing?

1208
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,680
You're making me crazy.
Like, let's find a thread, a

1209
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,320
common thread between the way
that all four of you guys are

1210
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,440
doing this thing and let's make
it work.

1211
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,280
And so, yeah, I love that about
Christy.

1212
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,800
I always have.
That's what I believe that

1213
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,320
that's one of the, one of
Huntley's strengths is that he

1214
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,440
knows the places to put in the
systems.

1215
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,800
So like efficiency in the
warehouse is always a big one.

1216
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,760
You know, efficiency and be able
to turn around gear and, you

1217
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,880
know, make it work and get it
back out.

1218
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,480
But then when he you, you go to
the sales side of the world.

1219
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,960
Yeah.
We use all of the same systems,

1220
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,720
but we all work in our own, our
own way, in our own niche.

1221
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,920
Right.
Like, you know, certain guys are

1222
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,080
more market driven, like, you
know, Martin Kelly, who I'm sure

1223
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,960
you know, I do.
Yeah, he, he is more of the

1224
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,240
concert touring industry.
Like that's, that's his niche.

1225
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,520
That's where he where he spends
his time.

1226
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,960
I spend a lot more of my time in
the corporate world.

1227
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,080
Yeah, I still do tours because
I, you know, obviously that's

1228
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,160
where I came from and I have
friends, but, you know, but I

1229
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,640
don't tour, I don't do tours as,
as my main niche.

1230
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,280
It's my main niche is really in
the in the corporate world and

1231
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,440
corporate guys.
Yeah, that makes sense.

1232
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,200
And Chris Mcmean just gets in
everybody's way.

1233
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,880
He's he's in New York and I'm in
Seattle.

1234
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,720
So yeah, I know, I know.
No, and I like Chris, I'm just

1235
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,360
kidding.
He does a good job.

1236
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,200
He he's got a lot of friends and
seems to stay pretty damn busy

1237
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,960
every time I'm talking to him.
So no, that's, that's really,

1238
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,520
really cool.
And and so you said record,

1239
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,400
record numbers and record
utilization.

1240
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,480
Is that is 2025 a big year or is
2025 a little bit flat like I've

1241
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,320
heard?
I've heard so many different

1242
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,640
versions of this.
Yeah, like I said, my niche is

1243
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,800
really in the corporate world
and I I have found that, you

1244
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,160
know, it's taken, you know, five
years to come back from 2020.

1245
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,680
You know, 2020 was a write off
the whole year.

1246
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:09,320
I mean, I, I had been doing a
record business for me.

1247
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,640
I had the best first quarter I'd
ever had.

1248
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,200
And then the pandemic and, and
it was still almost a record

1249
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,400
even with, you know, March being
completely cancelled.

1250
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,280
So.
So it's taken a long time, but I

1251
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,800
found that the, the corporate
companies are now back to doing

1252
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,560
their, their spend and their
shows to A, to a level that is

1253
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:35,880
at or exceeding 2019 levels.
You know, Microsoft is not back

1254
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,120
to where it was.
I'm still about 50% of what I

1255
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,680
used to do with Microsoft, but
they are back and doing doing

1256
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,600
larger shows again.
Well, it seems like there's two

1257
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,720
sides of the story, like, you
know, one, one side says, well,

1258
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,560
you know, with everyone working
hybrid or working from home, you

1259
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,360
know, there's not as much need
for these conferences and stuff.

1260
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,480
But actually, probably the
opposite is true.

1261
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,480
When you're not in the office,
you want bigger meetings and

1262
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:04,760
bigger conferences.
I.

1263
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,040
Think there is, Yeah.
Like, because there's only so

1264
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,720
much you can do by
teleconference.

1265
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,600
There's.
There's a difference to being in

1266
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,760
the room together and spending
time together, you know?

1267
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,479
Yeah.
I mean, Huntley's always been a

1268
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,240
a big believer in the, you know,
go to dinner, sit down, break

1269
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,840
bread.
You know, that's when you when

1270
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,240
you can have a chance to talk
and.

1271
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:27,520
And you know.
Yeah, more business gets done at

1272
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,240
the restaurant or on the on the
golf course or, you know, it

1273
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,279
used to be the strip club.
More business gets done there

1274
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,080
than in your office quite often.
You know, like customers don't

1275
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,880
want to meet in your office.
They want to meet on the golf

1276
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,720
course or in a restaurant or
whatever.

1277
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,120
Yeah.
And that's when you can have

1278
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,439
those those casual conversations
and solve a lot of issues, you

1279
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,600
know, where you're not like, you
know, in a strict.

1280
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,840
You get a couple, you get a
couple glasses of wine into

1281
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,520
them, and they tell you the real
budget.

1282
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,840
You know, here's what we really
have to spend.

1283
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,560
You know, I know I told you it
was a half a million, but it

1284
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,479
really is 750.
Yeah.

1285
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,840
Yeah, yeah, or the opposite.
I know you're thinking it's a

1286
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,520
half a million, but really it's
we only got like 2. 50 Yeah,

1287
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:08,800
yeah, I know.
I'm.

1288
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,240
I'm telling you to build the
biggest system in the world, but

1289
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,439
I only want to pay this much.
Yeah.

1290
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,000
One of my friends always used to
say, you know, because, you

1291
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,279
know, people in this business
need to understand that, you

1292
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,080
know, it's, it's like kind of
think of it as shopping at

1293
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,080
Safeway.
If you go and buy, you know,

1294
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,000
pick out a a $25 steak and take
it up to the counter, you don't

1295
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,920
tell the cashier, hey I only
really want to pay 15 for that.

1296
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,359
That's only our industry.
Yeah.

1297
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,319
That's only our industry that
does that, you know, and God,

1298
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,600
God forbid the company is a
friend of yours.

1299
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,920
Like that's the thing that I
always find interesting.

1300
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,840
Like why do my friends always
think that they should get

1301
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,520
better deals than everybody
else?

1302
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:49,760
What?
You should be willing to pay the

1303
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,800
full price, shouldn't you?
Like you're helping a.

1304
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,800
Friend helping you.
Yeah.

1305
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,960
So it's it's interesting.
But, you know, back to the

1306
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,280
utilization thing, like I happen
to be a huge fan of that comment

1307
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,080
and of the entire topic because
I think in general, one of the

1308
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,400
challenges in our industry is
that we tend to be a bit

1309
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,840
cowboyish when it comes to CapEx
and when it comes to buying

1310
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,240
things on a whim.
And, you know, I know there's

1311
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,560
probably several manufacturers
listening to me right now, Eric

1312
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,440
Loder being the biggest one
because he always listens and

1313
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:28,440
then calls me and gives me shit.
But you know, just just, you

1314
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:32,560
know, spending wildly because
you have one show for six weeks

1315
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,160
or something that needs 100 of
something versus convincing the

1316
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,520
producer to spec a different
product or convincing somebody

1317
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,520
to, you know, do something else
or possibly sub renting or

1318
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,440
whatever.
Like I just, I like the fact

1319
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:51,680
that a lot of the people I'm
talking to really are focusing

1320
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,840
on ROI and, and, and, you know,
utilization.

1321
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,800
Yeah, it's a business, right?
And it's not as cowboy as it

1322
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,160
used to be.
Yeah.

1323
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,000
I mean, back in the day, you
would buy like you would buy

1324
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,480
whatever, you know, if you're
putting a tour together.

1325
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,320
And I think we talked about the
the fact that, you know, there

1326
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,200
the money back in the 80s and
whatnot was coming from the

1327
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,680
record sales.
So they would spend money and

1328
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,920
you would buy things for tours,
you know.

1329
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,600
Yeah.
And sometimes you would utilize

1330
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,160
those things on other tours,
like, I mean, Roth was, was

1331
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:32,960
infamous for building hex pods
for, for a kiss tour and then

1332
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,440
using them for that tour.
And I know, you know, he, he and

1333
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,320
Jim Chapman would, and Dino
Derose would design that into

1334
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,480
the next Cinderella tour or the
next Lynyrd Skynyrd tour or

1335
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:44,080
whatever.
You know, you, you had those

1336
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,200
pieces.
But the big tour is like, say, a

1337
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,960
KISS tour.
You would you could afford to

1338
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,080
cut to make pieces.
Yeah, yeah.

1339
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,520
So no, I mean, that makes total
sense.

1340
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,960
But the other challenge is like,
you know, even in the nineties,

1341
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,320
2000s, whatever a moving light
was 6 grand, you know, now it's

1342
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:05,280
12 grand and you can't just buy
them for every rental that you

1343
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,480
need them on.
You know, it's it's you.

1344
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,560
There's so much dry inventory
around the world right now.

1345
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,680
I see it every day and my real
day job.

1346
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:20,280
There's so much dry inventory
and yet, you know, we're buying

1347
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:25,280
like drunken sailors still.
So, yeah, you know, I find that

1348
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,480
it's a big problem.
And I also find that people are

1349
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:31,480
starting to really pay more
attention to the problem as

1350
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:34,920
opposed to going, well, I guess,
you know, CapEx is 30% this year

1351
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,600
or whatever, instead of 20%, you
know, now it's going to be 27%.

1352
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,440
And that's just a challenging
business model that constantly

1353
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:47,120
requires new venture capital or
private equity or whatever

1354
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,440
coming into the business.
Yeah, yeah.

1355
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:53,760
And yeah, that's why there is so
much private equity coming in.

1356
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,480
And you know, and you also see
like one of the things that

1357
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:00,560
Huntley, I think it was kind of
visionary was the what he calls

1358
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,520
the ORPL system, you know, the
official rental rental product

1359
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,440
line.
It's like, look, we're not going

1360
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:09,160
to buy every piece of gear out
there because otherwise it's

1361
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,840
inefficient.
If you buy one kind of gear, you

1362
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,560
only have to stock one kind of
replacement parts you only have.

1363
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,560
I mean, yes, it does kind of
like say to the designer, you

1364
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,240
know, you know, don't, don't go
looking through a catalog and

1365
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,600
go, oh, well, this company's got
one of these and I want four of

1366
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,400
those and six of these and eight
of those.

1367
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,240
It's like, no, pick a moving
light that that you know, that

1368
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,560
you like, that does what you
need it to do, and then design

1369
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,960
around that.
Yeah, Yeah, no.

1370
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,400
And, and, you know, I mean,
like, if you, you think of ice

1371
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,880
cream shops that have 50 flavors
or 100 flavors or whatever,

1372
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,400
they're not all going to be
good, you know, and, and yet if

1373
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,960
you had an ice cream shop that
had six flavors, they're

1374
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,200
probably really like, it's the
best vanilla you've ever had.

1375
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:56,120
It's probably an outstanding
chocolate, you know, And so

1376
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,040
there's a lot to be said.
Both business models work.

1377
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,000
Right.
And you're a businessman, so you

1378
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,120
understand, too, Like the the
efficiency of being able to like

1379
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,600
if you've got four kinds of ice
cream, yeah, you only have to

1380
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,040
stock four kinds of ice.
Cream, of course, in your

1381
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,920
freezer.
A lot of logistical sense.

1382
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,000
Yeah, and you can sell your ice
cream, you can pass that that

1383
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,120
savings on to the on to the
consumer.

1384
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,800
So, you know, instead of having
to buy a $5 ice cream cone,

1385
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,840
you're buying a $2.00 ice cream
cone.

1386
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,560
Well, but if you've got 100
flavors that you've got to.

1387
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,880
Deal with, yeah, if you have to
have every brand of moving

1388
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,400
lights, you're not going to have
the quantity that you'll need

1389
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,680
for some of those shows, you
know, so now you got decisions

1390
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,960
to make that are tough
decisions.

1391
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,440
Whereas if you can sit down with
the LD or the whoever it is and

1392
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:46,920
say, you know, OK, you need
1000, you know, LED movers,

1393
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,720
you're asking for the Roby
Spider.

1394
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,560
We have Aura P XL, similar
product.

1395
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,920
You know, we're able to supply
all of them.

1396
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,240
We don't have to sub rent.
They're all very well teched and

1397
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,800
they're they've got these
benefits without even getting to

1398
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,720
price.
Chances are you can convince

1399
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,640
them to maybe make a change.
Or not, as the case may be, like

1400
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,760
some I have.
I have a certain client that

1401
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,560
that loved you brought up the
Roby spider.

1402
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,360
That was his favorite light.
Yeah.

1403
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,960
And I was like, well, dude, I've
got quantum washes over here

1404
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,800
that I can give you for less
because I don't own the spiders

1405
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,160
I got to go get from somebody
else.

1406
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,000
But then when I saw what he did
with the spiders, yeah, I

1407
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,920
understood why.
Yeah, it made sense to me why he

1408
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,760
was doing what he was doing.
And and I said, oh, now I see

1409
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,920
why you need these.
So I will get these for you and

1410
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,440
at the best price that I can.
But I understand the need for

1411
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:45,320
them, you know, and that that's
a lot of, you know, the back and

1412
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,120
forth I, I often do with, with
designers is, you know, OK,

1413
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,160
look, is there I can offer you a
solution and I might be able to

1414
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,440
offer you another 1010 more
lights over top of, well,

1415
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,320
whatever or whatever it is of
whatever kind of light it is.

1416
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,440
But if it's not doing what you
need it to do, what the vision

1417
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:07,840
is for your design, then OK,
well let's get 10 less lights

1418
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,000
and get the ones that you need.
Yeah, that makes total sense.

1419
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,240
So, you know, efficiency,
efficiency when you can keep

1420
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,280
your product line a little more
limited is is.

1421
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,640
And like you said earlier,
that's, that's Huntley's sort

1422
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,760
of, you know, that's his a game.
That's what he does, you know,

1423
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:34,240
like he, he's been so in a
sense, I don't know, innovative,

1424
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:38,720
I guess in the industry.
Like, you know, first, like I, I

1425
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,280
think if I remember correctly,
his shops were the very first

1426
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,040
shops that I ever saw where they
had truck pack taped out on the

1427
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,120
floor and they did truck packs,
you know, in the warehouse and

1428
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,440
then boom, it just transferred
into the truck when it got

1429
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:57,240
there.
And I had never seen anybody do

1430
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,440
that before Huntley.
And I was like, well, that is

1431
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:03,280
weird, but what an awesome idea,
you know.

1432
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,600
And now of course, everybody
does that, but his racking

1433
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,320
systems and and the case.
Yeah, even thinking through the

1434
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,880
cases, right.
Yeah, all of the case sizing,

1435
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:18,400
instead of building the the
cases for the products, it's

1436
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,000
like we build the cases, we just
adapt the products to the

1437
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,160
products without but stay within
the same of course dimensions

1438
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,600
and all of those dimensions were
made to truck pack.

1439
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,680
Yeah, no, it makes makes
complete sense.

1440
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,160
You know, everything kind of
goes into everything else.

1441
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,520
It's sort of the Amazon method
of doing things like sometimes

1442
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,640
it looks weird where you get a
thing that's like this big and

1443
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,960
the box comes at the door and
it's like this big and it's got

1444
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,600
that one little thing in it, you
know?

1445
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:49,000
But you know, it's better than
having 42 different box sizes

1446
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,840
because you know, you have 42
different sizes of this or

1447
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,200
whatever, right?
It's just, it's down to

1448
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,120
efficiency and keeping the cost
low and making things move

1449
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,720
quickly and all those things,
right?

1450
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,160
So it makes a lot of sense.
But no, I always, I really like

1451
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,440
that about what Huntley's done.
And you know, the Nexus system,

1452
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:09,240
I know it's not perfect, but it
was a great idea.

1453
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,920
And he's just, he's a very
innovative guy.

1454
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,960
Like he doesn't just follow the
crowd and do things that the

1455
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,440
crowd do.
And I remember the Martin deal,

1456
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:21,720
when he first did the Martin
deal, people were like, what is

1457
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,440
he doing?
You know, this is crazy, but it

1458
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:28,560
worked out very well for him,
you know, and I know it's not

1459
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,720
exclusive anymore, but it's
still sort of the preferred line

1460
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,240
or whatever you call it.
Yeah.

1461
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,960
But and he said, you know, we
still have a very Christy light,

1462
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,000
still has a very large
partnership with Martin.

1463
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,760
Yeah.
Which is not to say that we

1464
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,920
don't use other kinds of lights.
I mean, we have bought their

1465
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,760
Christie Lights has bought, you
know, elation lighting, you

1466
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,200
know, certain, certain items
that are like, oh, that fits our

1467
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:51,880
product line and this is what we
need.

1468
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,560
Yeah.
You know, and it was same thing

1469
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,600
with the consoles.
I mean, everybody was like, why

1470
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,680
wouldn't you buy more hog twos?
And he said no Grand MA yeah,

1471
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,080
yeah.
And turned out that it's.

1472
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,440
True, he was one of the earlier
guys on that stuff too.

1473
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,040
Yeah, so like with the Martin
thing, it was a, you know, the

1474
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,160
Mac, the Mac 2K became kind of a
standard for quite some time and

1475
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,720
and he had Christie Lights had
more of them than anybody.

1476
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,640
So.
Yeah, How many Mac ones do you

1477
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,480
guys have?
I don't think there's any.

1478
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,680
Oh, oh, you mean the the new
the?

1479
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:24,800
Little one, the little Yeah,
the.

1480
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,720
Little one.
Oh yeah, I want.

1481
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,400
To see thousands.
Yeah, I want to say somewhere

1482
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,680
between 1500 and 2000.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1483
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,520
I mean, it's, it's such a cool
little light that could be like

1484
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,080
for, yeah, trade show booths and
little things and you know.

1485
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,920
And stuff.
And whatever.

1486
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,000
On a large show like.
Yeah, yeah.

1487
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,520
A bunch of them out with The
Black Keys right now and and I

1488
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,720
did a gig last year with
Brothers Osborne that Trevor

1489
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,640
Alstrand designed and we had
two, had a wall of 200 of them.

1490
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,240
Oh wow, that had to look cool.
Yeah, and he kept it hidden for

1491
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,440
like most of the show.
It was only the last 6 songs.

1492
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:03,080
He opened up the drape and
suddenly there's 200 more lights

1493
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,520
back there.
Wow, yeah.

1494
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,000
And they were such a beanie.
Cool little light.

1495
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,080
You can make patterns and chases
and.

1496
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,240
Well, in the packaging, like the
four bar thing or whatever, like

1497
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,240
all the different, I just every
once in a while a manufacturer

1498
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,720
surprises you and comes out with
exactly the right thing and you

1499
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,120
just go, how did they do that?
Like they're not that smart, are

1500
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,320
they?
You know, like, and then to me,

1501
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,720
the Mac 1 was just a brilliant
product at the right time.

1502
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,120
You know, everything was bigger
and brighter and bigger and

1503
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,280
brighter and then all of a
sudden this tiny little thing

1504
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,920
for, you know, 1500 bucks or
whatever.

1505
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,800
And it was just like, I need
those, you know, like.

1506
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,840
A very efficient little light,
that and the price point, you

1507
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,120
know, you're not having to
spend, you know.

1508
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,280
A bazillion dollars?
Yeah, 12 grand for a moving

1509
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,200
light and are they reliable?
Like I've never actually asked

1510
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,480
anyone that question.
Seemed to be pretty bulletproof

1511
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:58,720
from my experience with them.
Had several on tour.

1512
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,640
Like I said, we had that wall of
them and they were very good.

1513
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,000
Yeah, but we were not swapping
lights all the time.

1514
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:07,960
Yeah.
Not like in the old days with

1515
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,680
the very lights.
Yeah.

1516
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,640
And I don't mean to disparage
very light in any way, but back

1517
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,960
back in the day when, you know,
when I was doing very lights, it

1518
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,600
was, you know, 22B's and two C's
and yeah, you know, right.

1519
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,320
I worked at Martin.
You don't have to.

1520
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,240
I worked at Martin in the early
days, not now when their lights

1521
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,880
are reliable and cool.
You know, I worked for Martin

1522
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:33,640
back in the day when everything
was broken and the pals had

1523
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:38,760
holes in the dimmer and just.
Pals.

1524
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,160
You just dated yourself right
there when you said pals.

1525
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,320
Well, I named it.
I named the Mac, I named the

1526
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:51,960
Mac, and I named the pal.
And yeah, I was very, very, I

1527
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,360
was a big part of that business
in the early days.

1528
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,200
You know, not not bragging or
anything, but I worked very

1529
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,360
closely with Peter Johansson and
his team on the things that we

1530
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,680
needed.
And they never built the product

1531
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,000
I needed, but they'd always
allow me to get in on some

1532
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,040
marketing stuff, like naming the
things and what the brochures

1533
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,680
would look like and stuff like
that.

1534
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,000
But usually the product, like I
remember going to them and

1535
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,560
saying, you know, which product
was it?

1536
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:23,800
I think it was the Studio Color.
We need something like this and.

1537
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,280
An answer to this, yeah.
We, we've got it, no problem.

1538
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,160
We've got it.
And he sent me like the, the Mac

1539
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,160
1200, I don't know if you ever
saw that one, but the big huge

1540
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,080
thing that barely any light came
out the front of it and it was

1541
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,200
just, it was horrible.
It was the worst light they ever

1542
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:46,200
made.
And that's a statement, but

1543
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,360
yeah, so sometimes they didn't
build what you asked for back

1544
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,880
then.
But obviously, you know, they

1545
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,760
got real good at it after the
fact with the Mac 2000.

1546
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,120
The Mac 2000 was one of those
pivotal moments in our industry

1547
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:02,920
when it just went like room, you
know the the industry just

1548
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,280
picked up so much and and moving
lights became so much more

1549
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,080
prevalent at.
That point, the Mac 2K wash was

1550
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:15,240
a, was a, to me that was, that
was kind of a game changer to

1551
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,440
have a wash light that it was
that bright and could do the

1552
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:22,000
things that it could do.
You know, Robert Roth once said

1553
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:27,280
to me, I was designing, I think
it was Lollapalooza when it

1554
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,040
first brought it back in
Chicago.

1555
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,960
And, and he was, he was, we were
talking about what the design

1556
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,760
would be and, and Robert said,
you know, and you need a bunch

1557
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:37,920
of wash.
We're going to do a bunch of

1558
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,400
wash lights, you know, Mac 2 KS
and studio colors.

1559
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,960
And I was like, well, what about
all these profiles?

1560
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,560
And he's like red, you know, as
well as anybody else.

1561
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,480
You can't see a profile during
the day at at a festival, but

1562
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:52,560
you can see a wash light because
it's a big nice big thick beam.

1563
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,160
Roth every once in a while comes
out with brilliant statements

1564
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,000
like that, Like the guy actually
does know what he's talking

1565
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,120
about, you know?
It's wild.

1566
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,520
Was that the one with Metallica?
The the Lollapalooza with

1567
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:10,720
Metallica.
No, I think we had Weezer was

1568
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,160
was one of the headlines one
night because.

1569
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:17,360
I I was at the Metallica 1 and I
just remember like this was

1570
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,440
probably early 90s or something
maybe.

1571
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:23,440
Oh, no, this, this was in, in
like the 2000s.

1572
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:25,000
It was.
Yeah, this was Lollapalooza had

1573
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,760
been gone, and they brought it
back for the very first time to

1574
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,080
Grant Park in Chicago.
This was either mid or late 90s

1575
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,840
I don't remember but I just
remember being front of house

1576
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:41,160
which was like a tower with
Broderick from Metallica.

1577
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,480
Was he 30 feet in the air?
He was like 30 feet in the air.

1578
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,040
When I was when I worked with
him, that's where I had to set

1579
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,560
up front of house.
I was up there with him, yeah, I

1580
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,200
was up there with him.
And I had never seen a mosh pit

1581
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:57,600
from above.
And I was just like, holy shit.

1582
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,280
Like I wasn't even watching the
band, I was just watching the

1583
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,560
people.
It was insane from up there.

1584
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,280
It was so cool.
That is one of the great parts

1585
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,760
of it because I when I did the
first summer Sanitarium tour,

1586
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,640
you know, we were leapfrogging
stadiums and so upstaging had

1587
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,440
one rig and LSD had one rig and
so we were leapfrogging.

1588
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:20,840
But John wanted everything to be
dirty feet up.

1589
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,560
So and it was three.
He had a hog to control the

1590
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:32,600
studio colors, an avo for him to
punch his stuff on and and

1591
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,560
control the gate and and had to
patch the gates from the studio

1592
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,160
colors to him so he could
control the gates at all times

1593
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,760
from his console, even though
the movement and all the color

1594
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,200
and everything was coming
through the hog.

1595
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,400
So bit of A at the time, it was
a bit of a logistical nightmare

1596
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,640
of patching emerging universes
and whatnot.

1597
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:56,120
But the I, I'll never forget,
you know, being up there and

1598
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:01,120
that tour was Metallica, Korn,
Kid Rock, Power Man, 5000 and

1599
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,960
System of a Down.
And the first time I saw Korn

1600
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:11,520
play and, you know, they their
songs have a very heavy low

1601
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,280
build ups.
And then also there's this like,

1602
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,600
oh, and yeah, boom.
Yeah.

1603
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,520
And watching the pits just open
up in front of you, like and see

1604
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,600
these guys just going at each
other.

1605
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,440
Yeah, it's incredible.
Yeah.

1606
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,240
Something.
And from above it, it's a whole

1607
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,920
new view, right?
Yeah, yeah, I know.

1608
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,200
It's, it's incredible when you
see that stuff, it's like, what

1609
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,000
are they thinking?
You know why are they doing

1610
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,080
that?
Why are they doing that to each

1611
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,280
other?
Yeah, yeah, I went to one of the

1612
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:44,160
stadium Metallica shows last
year with with Koenig and in

1613
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:50,600
Edmonton actually, and and
Pantera was on and the mosh pit

1614
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,480
was like right next to where I
was standing.

1615
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,320
And I was just like, these
people are lunatics.

1616
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,080
Like, why are they doing this
stuff, you know?

1617
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:03,720
I was years ago, I was at the, I
want to say it was the Rock Em

1618
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,520
Ring festival.
We did the Rock Em Park, Rock Em

1619
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,800
Ring with with Kid Rock and Limp
Bizkit was the headline and Bob

1620
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,320
went on about right before them.
So I had run my show with Bob

1621
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,840
and in was it the Nuremberg one?
And then after it was over, I

1622
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,880
got down from front of house and
I went backstage and talked to

1623
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,480
everybody who gave a little hand
or whatever.

1624
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,120
And then so myself and a couple
of the band members and whatnot,

1625
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,880
I wanted to go out to front of
house to watch Limp Bizkit.

1626
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:36,080
We hadn't hadn't seen them yet.
And so as we were working our

1627
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,240
way up the outside, I started
losing people as we got closer

1628
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,560
because it was getting thicker
and thicker in the crowd.

1629
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,400
And, and eventually I just lost
everybody.

1630
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,920
And I was all by myself trying
to get through the crowd to

1631
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,600
front of house.
And I could see front of house

1632
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,920
and I was almost there and but
it was really, really tight.

1633
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,280
I was working my way through all
the people and all of a sudden I

1634
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,040
just burst out into the open and
I was like, what the heck, I'm

1635
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,840
just standing here in the open
and then out of nowhere, just

1636
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,920
Wham, right upside the head just
got clocked.

1637
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,000
And I'm laying there and I'm
looking up and I can see all

1638
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,080
these guys, people dancing
around me in the pit.

1639
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,560
And I'd walked right into the
middle of a pit and not even

1640
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,840
knowing what I was doing.
And that is so funny.

1641
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,240
Yeah.
And so I stood up, you know, try

1642
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,400
and bam, just got drilled again.
And I rolled over and I tried to

1643
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,120
get up and bam, I got drilled
again.

1644
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,040
Oh.
No, so I got a got an eye on

1645
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,120
front of house and I just stood
up and I sprinted into the crowd

1646
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,280
at the edge of the pit and just
rocketed through, grabbed my

1647
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,600
laminate, threw it up and yelled
at the scooter.

1648
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:38,720
Get Me Out of here.
Get me.

1649
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,360
That's hilarious.
Guy grabbed me, lifted me over

1650
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,920
the barricade.
Yeah, did you know Tim Brennan?

1651
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,800
Tim Brennan.
Cinema services and then PRG in

1652
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,800
Vegas.
I met him, but I don't.

1653
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,400
Know I wouldn't say that well
his family owned cinema services

1654
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,840
and then they sold cinema
services to PRG and he went on

1655
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,280
for years with PRG.
He he passed away a few years

1656
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,240
ago, but that.
Would be back, back when I was

1657
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:06,160
working with with PRG, yeah.
Yeah, I took Tim to.

1658
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:12,360
Where were we going?
I think we were going to the

1659
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,720
Plaza show in London, but I had
a bunch of lights.

1660
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,680
Peter Morse was doing Michael
Jackson and it was starting in

1661
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,280
Prague and I had a bunch of
lights on it.

1662
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,320
And I said, hey, do you want to
go see Michael Jackson in

1663
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,520
Prague?
We can just kind of go there and

1664
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,520
then pop over to London after
that.

1665
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,240
And he was like, yeah, I want to
go there.

1666
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:33,760
I've never been to Prague.
I want to go.

1667
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,520
I want to see Michael Jackson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1668
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,800
So he was all jazz.
So we went to Prague and.

1669
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:43,800
And Peter, before the show
started, said, why don't you

1670
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,960
come back with your guest and,
and I'll introduce you to the to

1671
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,280
the artist.
And I was like, Oh yeah, that'll

1672
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,600
be cool.
I think Tim will be pretty

1673
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,960
impressed meeting Michael
Jackson and and, you know,

1674
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,160
having a moment.
So it was in a field with a

1675
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:01,640
fence around it that they
created a venue out of,

1676
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:06,800
basically, and it was like
125,130 thousand people.

1677
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,280
First show of the tour, first
tour in a long time for Michael

1678
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:11,840
Jackson.
The which tour?

1679
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,960
Was it dangerous?
Maybe?

1680
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:18,360
No, I don't remember.
But anyways, so we're backstage,

1681
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,000
we meet the artist, we have a
nice conversation with him, and

1682
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,160
then Peter's like, you better
get going.

1683
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,720
The show's going to start in
about 20 minutes and it'll take

1684
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,400
you a while to get back to front
house.

1685
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:33,160
And I said, OK, no problem.
So we go like to go from

1686
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:36,880
backstage to front of house.
It was, I don't know, maybe 100

1687
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,960
yards or something to get out to
front of house.

1688
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,680
But there's 125,000 people and
90% of them don't speak any

1689
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,600
English.
And so, you know, we're trying

1690
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,720
to go, we're going against, you
know, away from the stage.

1691
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:54,640
You'd think that people wouldn't
fight you, but these people have

1692
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,680
been camped out waiting to get
in there for like 2-3 days in

1693
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,200
some cases, right?
And you're not getting my spot

1694
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,760
like they were, they meant war
over this, right, Like you are

1695
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,840
not getting money.
So we're holding up our

1696
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,120
laminates and we're holding
hands because I was afraid we

1697
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,520
were going to one of us had fall
and you'd never see him again,

1698
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,240
right.
So we're holding up our

1699
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,240
laminates and and going through
this crowd and people are like

1700
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,840
yet, you know, or whatever, like
they're just fighting you.

1701
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,800
And I was literally afraid we
were going to die.

1702
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,120
And then like it was like a
movie and you know, our hands

1703
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,600
were holding hands.
And then it's like, oh, his hand

1704
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,120
slipped out of mine because I'm
like pulling through and he's

1705
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:34,840
getting pulled the other way or
whatever.

1706
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:39,880
I never saw him again until our
flight the next morning, you

1707
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,200
know, And if you knew Tim
Brennan, you'd you'd laugh at

1708
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:46,040
that because Tim Brennan was a
little like Leon from, from

1709
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,360
Lynyrd Skynyrd, right?
And he had a great old time.

1710
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,160
He was telling me the story the
next morning.

1711
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,520
I was scared to death.
I'm like, I just lost one of my

1712
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,560
biggest customers, you know,
what am I going to do?

1713
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,000
Like, what do I tell his family,
you know, and.

1714
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,520
And I had him and then he, his
hands slipped.

1715
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,160
He's the.
Greatest time all by himself you

1716
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:10,080
know and never made it to front
of house never saw him until the

1717
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,400
next morning for our flight.
We met in the lobby before our

1718
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:20,280
flight so yeah pretty crazy.
So what's you know what's what's

1719
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,560
the big challenge this year Is
it gear people?

1720
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,160
What are we struggling with?
Well.

1721
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,240
People has been been a challenge
the last few years.

1722
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,440
Like, you know, I, I really feel
like we took a, a massive hit

1723
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,040
with the pandemic.
Yeah, yeah, unfortunately

1724
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,360
everything kind of goes back to
like the, you know, I, I, I put

1725
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,880
it though, you know, the world
ended, you know, in our, our

1726
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,240
industry kind of ended for a
little bit there in 2020.

1727
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,920
And then, yeah.
So, but I looked at it and I

1728
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,880
look at it as like we didn't
just lose a lot of people that

1729
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,600
kind of like left the industry
and didn't come back.

1730
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,640
But we also had two years where
we weren't really bringing in a

1731
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,600
whole lot of new people.
Like there would have been all

1732
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,600
of those during that two years,
there would have been a whole

1733
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,480
lot of people that came into the
industry that did.

1734
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,760
Not.
So we didn't have those younger

1735
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,200
people coming up and we lost a
lot of the older, more

1736
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,320
experienced people.
So it has been challenging, I

1737
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:18,120
find crew wise.
And then, you know, some of the,

1738
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,880
some of the larger tours, like,
you know, you take a Taylor

1739
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:26,360
Swift or, or a Beyoncé or any of
those, they suck up a lot of

1740
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,440
people, you know, So there isn't
that like, you know, back in the

1741
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,720
day, a large tour was a, was a
five or six person lighting

1742
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,960
crew.
Now it's like, you know, 20, you

1743
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:40,160
know, there's you're all over a
stadium and you're there for

1744
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,240
days.
You know, now it's, it's,

1745
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:47,400
there's a lot and there's a lot
more integration with video,

1746
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,360
sound and everything else.
So there's a lot of people,

1747
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,360
there's a lot more logistics to
it.

1748
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,120
So if you're doing a smaller
tour, it only needs like 4

1749
01:33:56,120 --> 01:34:00,360
people or so It's it's tougher
to find a crew I find

1750
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,000
interesting.
Yeah.

1751
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,400
So people, it's been a tough
one.

1752
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,960
Rates have gone a little wild.
As well.

1753
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,360
For some of these people, so.
Some of them went went a little

1754
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,960
ridiculous.
Yeah, I think some of it's come

1755
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,520
back to Earth a little bit
because I.

1756
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,960
Saw an argument I saw, you know,
go figure an argument online.

1757
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,520
But I saw a discussion online
about rates and basically

1758
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,920
someone's argument and I can't
remember what his role was or

1759
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,800
anything, whether he was a
lighting tech or a video tech or

1760
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,920
something.
But his argument was the artists

1761
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:40,080
are making more money, so so
should I and, or ticketmasters

1762
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,840
making more money or live
nations making more money.

1763
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,120
Why shouldn't I?
And, you know, I really wish

1764
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,040
that that's how the world
operated, but it just doesn't

1765
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,400
like, you know, the economy
doesn't always trickle down.

1766
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:58,120
You know, sometimes it stays
near the top, you know, and, and

1767
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:02,480
so, yeah, I mean, I understand
like if, if there's a lot more

1768
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:05,520
money being generated through
ticket sales or through, you

1769
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,520
know, these convention shows,
conferences or whatever, if

1770
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,080
there's a lot more money being
generated, certainly the good

1771
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,600
companies are going to share
that revenue with, with their

1772
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,200
teams.
But I wouldn't say that it's a

1773
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,360
given just because like Taylor
Swift is getting, you know,

1774
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,800
$500.00 for a concert ticket or
whatever, like.

1775
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,480
Right, that doesn't.
Necessarily mean you're going to

1776
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:29,360
make 300 grand this year, Sir,
you know.

1777
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,760
No, and that's that there is
that issue.

1778
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,480
There's the, you know, 'cause
you know, most, most of your,

1779
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,440
your, you know, like you can
sell out arenas, but you know,

1780
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,640
most, most of your, your, you
know, steady touring bands

1781
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,920
aren't continuously selling out
arenas.

1782
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,480
You know, they're at three
Quarter House and, you know, and

1783
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:53,320
they've taken a deal from Live
Nation to get a flat rate.

1784
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,280
And Live Nation is the one
that's taking the risks because

1785
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,680
the artist is getting paid a
flat.

1786
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,800
And, you know, so there's the
budgets are kind of set right.

1787
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:03,120
The artist gets paid a flat
amount.

1788
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,880
There's a flat amount for
production, you know, there's a

1789
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,200
flat amount for lights, for
sound.

1790
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,320
And so you've only got so much
money to work with when it comes

1791
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,720
to the labor, you know, So you
can either, you know, it's kind

1792
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,080
of like building a hockey team,
right?

1793
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,800
Like you can either pay for the,
you know, really flashy crew

1794
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,480
chief and then put three guys
below him that that aren't

1795
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:26,720
necessarily, you know, or you
try to get an average crew chief

1796
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,040
and a decent second and a couple
of new guys that that are going

1797
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,600
to work for a little bit less.
But you know, at the end of the

1798
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,280
day, it's all going to fit in
that that box, that budget,

1799
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,360
right, so.
Do you, do you or does Christy

1800
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,760
have like a strategy or
philosophy on bringing in and

1801
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,000
and working with younger techs
like bringing in new talent and

1802
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,080
training them and you?
Know, we, we did some training

1803
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:54,560
session stuff in Europe and
some, some industry mental

1804
01:36:54,560 --> 01:37:00,120
health stuff as well.
But we are actually, we run a

1805
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:04,880
full, a full time tech program.
So we have people that work full

1806
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,480
time and then they, you know,
under their contract, they have

1807
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:12,840
to work so many hours or gigs
and but they get, you know, they

1808
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:18,920
get a steady paycheck, they get,
they get benefits and whatnot.

1809
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:23,200
So that's all you know, that's
always a big one is, is benefits

1810
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:26,000
and whatnot, because you know
that that can cost you a lot of

1811
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,560
money outside.
And it's not as much like like

1812
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,120
in the old days, everybody was,
was very freelance.

1813
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,960
It was very, it was, you know,
you worked for the same company

1814
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,200
all the time, but you were, you
were freelance.

1815
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:47,960
And nowadays there's so much
more emphasis on, on wanting to

1816
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,920
have benefits and whatnot, like,
you know.

1817
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,520
I think it's good for the
employee and for the company.

1818
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,640
You know, it's good for both
sides to have that regular

1819
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,560
relationship, you know, as
opposed to just grabbing

1820
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,560
freelancers.
When I started in the business,

1821
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,920
it was, you know, we were
pirates, you know, it was like,

1822
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:06,880
and there was a certain pride
that you took in being the, you

1823
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,920
know, like, yeah, it was a
really hard job and you worked

1824
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,320
really hard and you did some
pretty stupid stuff sometimes

1825
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,040
just to make the show go on,
right.

1826
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:17,760
But you were also, you were like
one of those special people that

1827
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,880
could do it.
Like I saw lots of people try

1828
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:23,720
and and fail that, that trying
to go on tour.

1829
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,840
You know, the, there's, there's
a lot to it that, that you know,

1830
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,720
and even to this day that
there's a a guy online that's

1831
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,800
really wants to try to change
the industry and make it more

1832
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,960
focused on mental health and,
and on having benefits for

1833
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,640
people and full time.
And then his argument is like

1834
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:45,440
you say that people have it
doesn't have to be this way.

1835
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,760
You know, there is enough money
out there that people could get

1836
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,920
proper benefits and proper
mental health care and and

1837
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,280
whatnot because.
But you know, there's he's gonna

1838
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:59,200
he is getting a lot of pushback
because, you know, there's those

1839
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,320
of us that that always felt we
were kind of like the special

1840
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,920
people that could do it.
Yeah.

1841
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:09,000
And, and I think that that's
always going to be there and you

1842
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,960
know well.
Plus the other thing is you.

1843
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,720
Every business runs their
economics different.

1844
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:19,400
And you know, you can't just
assume that if Christie has this

1845
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,760
much money leftover at the end
of a gig, so does this company.

1846
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,600
So does this company, so does
this company.

1847
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,360
Like I, I've always hesitated to
jump into other people's pockets

1848
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,000
and, and tell them what they can
afford to spend today.

1849
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:37,400
You know, so like, I, I think
every company just has a

1850
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,720
different way of operating their
books and a different way of, of

1851
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,400
capturing revenue or, or profits
or whatever.

1852
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,280
Like, they may pay more for
their lights, but charge less,

1853
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,080
and therefore you've got a
skinnier margin.

1854
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:50,360
And what are you going to do,
you know?

1855
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,920
So yeah.
And you make your decisions,

1856
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,320
right?
Like I, I remember the, the last

1857
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,960
time that I ever did a steel
call where, you know, climb,

1858
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,880
climbing steel and building the
steel for Lollapalooza or

1859
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:03,800
something like that.
And.

1860
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:08,280
I looked at what I was getting
paid, what I, what they were

1861
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,720
supplying for, for lunch and,
and, and meals because, you

1862
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,360
know, you have to be on site.
Yeah.

1863
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,240
And I kind of just went, you
know, I'm past this.

1864
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:21,080
I'm not doing this anymore.
I don't get enough money to be

1865
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,360
running up a pass, you know,
running a pass line up with

1866
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,400
steel and and pounding it in in
the hot sun all day long.

1867
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:28,760
Yeah.
And then get an egg salad

1868
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:32,120
sandwich for lunch, you know.
So I just finally this is.

1869
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:35,520
Not my perfect life anymore.
No, I'm, I'm, I'm done.

1870
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,400
I, I, I'm not getting paid
enough to do this And, and I

1871
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,960
don't need to be doing this.
So, you know, I don't mean that

1872
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,720
to sound egotistical, but it was
no, no, but it was a point in my

1873
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:48,120
life where I decided that this
part was behind me and I was not

1874
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,000
going to do that.
It's a sensible decision.

1875
01:40:50,440 --> 01:40:53,160
You know, it's funny.
A couple weeks ago I had Roy

1876
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:54,600
Bickel.
I don't know if you know who he

1877
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:55,560
is, but.
I remember Roy.

1878
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:02,240
Godfather of rigging and he he
still takes jobs.

1879
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:06,920
He's in his 80s and he still
does the occasional job, like

1880
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,640
his kids are both in the
business and they'll call him up

1881
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,680
and say, hey, dad, you want to
be the head rigger on such, such

1882
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,600
and such.
And he's like, yeah, you're

1883
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,280
coming through Vegas.
Sure, I'll do it.

1884
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,280
You know, I mean it.
It's hilarious.

1885
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,640
Like he doesn't climb anymore,
but you know, he'll he'll

1886
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:26,000
engineer it and whatever.
Like he'll do the the other

1887
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,520
stuff where you're not climbing.
But it's so impressive that, you

1888
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,920
know, in his 80s, he's still and
he doesn't need the money.

1889
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,440
You know, he's just attracted
still to the business.

1890
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:38,920
You know, he, he loves the
adrenaline he gets from it, I

1891
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,200
guess the energy.
Yeah, he, yeah.

1892
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,880
And, and he's a legend, you
know?

1893
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,160
Yeah, one of the one of the
originals.

1894
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,840
Oh hell yeah.
Such a nice guy too.

1895
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:52,200
It's funny because Sarah, after
the interview, she stayed on on

1896
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:56,960
with him and I had to go to a
meeting or something and he

1897
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:01,200
showed her around his swag room
and she said I've never seen

1898
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,040
anything like it.
Like he's got all kinds of Elvis

1899
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:08,520
stuff, you know, that's like a
one off piece of Elvis stuff,

1900
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,320
you know?
And like his swag has to be

1901
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,240
worth 10s of thousands of
dollars, you know, or whatever.

1902
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,800
I don't even know what number it
is, but he's just got insane

1903
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,760
stuff.
It's just really, really cool.

1904
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:27,680
But Speaking of Speaking of old
people like us, what keeps you

1905
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,480
motivated after being in the
business for what is it 40 years

1906
01:42:31,480 --> 01:42:35,680
or something?
Yeah, it's good. 40 years now,

1907
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:39,160
Yeah, yeah, I like, I like what
I do.

1908
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:44,720
It's interesting because I never
like a lot of people say yo

1909
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,840
though you, you got out or you
got off the road or whatever.

1910
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,640
I was never trying to get off
the road.

1911
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,320
I I looked at other
possibilities, but I loved what

1912
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:59,280
I, what I did, you know, like I
say, I loved when I was crew

1913
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,320
chiefing for, for, for bigger
gigs.

1914
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,840
I like, I loved standing out and
looking at the rig when it was

1915
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,320
all up and in the air and all
working and going like, yeah, I

1916
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,400
got that to happen, you know,
and, and when I got to run a

1917
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,040
rig, I just, I loved running
lights.

1918
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,440
That that's was, was always the
biggest thing to me when I

1919
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:19,160
started in the business, even
back in the, you know, going

1920
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,920
back to the club days when you
had 24 park hands and one rack

1921
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,080
AC LS.
But I, I loved doing the doing

1922
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:29,040
the doing lights.
I loved the music, but I was

1923
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,560
always focused on the fact that
it was a job.

1924
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,920
Like earlier you were talking
about being a musician and and

1925
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:36,680
figuring that you weren't going
to make anything.

1926
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:41,600
I was, I never ever claimed to
be part of the band.

1927
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,760
That was a big thing to me was
that I'm not in the band.

1928
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,640
I work for the band.
And and so I could always kept

1929
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:52,960
it very cognizant that I worked
for me, not for them.

1930
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,240
They were.
They were a client to me.

1931
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,080
Even if they were my friends and
we traveled together and did

1932
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,440
lots of things together, they
were still they still.

1933
01:44:00,440 --> 01:44:02,080
They still had to pay you at the
end of the game.

1934
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,960
It wasn't like a line of blow
and a couple beers and you're

1935
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,440
good, right Rod?
Yeah, no, no, no, no hot dog and

1936
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:11,520
AT shirt.
You know, yeah, exactly.

1937
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:16,280
Exactly.
But but, you know, I, so I, I

1938
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:20,240
enjoyed my, my career.
I enjoyed being on the road and

1939
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:23,560
I really liked doing it.
When I took the job at Christie

1940
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:27,000
Lights originally as an
operations manager, I didn't

1941
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:32,240
enjoy, I enjoyed getting the the
place up to an efficiency level.

1942
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,600
I liked being the boss because
it was kind of like being a crew

1943
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,440
chief without being on the road.
Yeah, but I didn't like to

1944
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:40,240
commute.
I didn't like having to commute

1945
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:41,720
to work every day.
I hated that.

1946
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,640
And that's when I realized that
I didn't want to that just a

1947
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,160
reason I had been a roadie my
whole life.

1948
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,960
And that was I don't like this
part of the of the life.

1949
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,640
And the 9 to 5 was a little
much.

1950
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:55,200
So when I became an account
manager, it was kind of ended up

1951
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,480
being a dream come true.
It's like I I still get to

1952
01:44:57,480 --> 01:44:59,320
travel.
I still get to go see my

1953
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:01,920
friends.
I get to go hang out, but I

1954
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:03,960
don't have to get on a bus
anymore.

1955
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:04,880
Yeah.
So.

1956
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:09,040
So I really enjoy what I do.
People that say ask me if, you

1957
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,920
know, you're going to retire.
You know, I'm 62 now, so.

1958
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,080
And I'm like, I may never
retire.

1959
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:15,320
Yeah.
I might be like Roy.

1960
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:19,120
I would say, well, you know, I
just want to fish more and golf

1961
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,520
more.
Yeah, I had that conversation

1962
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,040
with Roth the other day
actually, because he just turned

1963
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:31,160
70 and and he said, you know,
I'll re look at it at 75, You

1964
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,200
know, right now I love what I'm
doing.

1965
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,680
I love who I work with, the
people like my clients and the

1966
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:38,520
shows that I'm doing and that
kind of stuff.

1967
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,280
And you know, he said, I'll look
at it again when I'm 75.

1968
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:43,960
I could retire.
I have enough money.

1969
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:48,240
I'm I'm OK, but I don't want to
so.

1970
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:53,000
And I don't think, you know,
I've known Robert a long time

1971
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,560
and I think Robert, Robert
really enjoys it so much that

1972
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,560
that, you know, like the whole
part of the business, like the

1973
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:04,040
succeeding and and whatnot that
I don't think that he would

1974
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,040
want, would, would ever not want
to be doing it.

1975
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,560
Yeah, like that.
That's what he loves to do.

1976
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,120
You'd get bored awful quick, you
know, especially now that he

1977
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,520
doesn't drink.
Like if he still drank, you

1978
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,800
know, he could just go visit,
you know, expensive wine places

1979
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,400
and stuff and just drink himself
into oblivion.

1980
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,680
But now that he doesn't drink,
you know, how do you keep

1981
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,000
yourself busy?
You know, like, yeah, same with

1982
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,480
me.
Like, your mind can't just

1983
01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:30,080
suddenly shut off when you've
been working your whole life and

1984
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,160
you love what you do and you
love who you do it with.

1985
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,040
It's not really not really
something that feels like work,

1986
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:37,840
is it?
Yeah, like, I mean, I love to

1987
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:42,360
like, I like to fish, love, love
fishing and golfing and and, you

1988
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:47,960
know, but you need the some sort
of stimulation to keep, keep you

1989
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:50,560
going and keep you moving.
And like I said, I love what I

1990
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:51,880
do.
I love when I get to go to a

1991
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,800
show now and and stand there and
watch somebody else do it, you

1992
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:56,360
know?
Yeah.

1993
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,360
And I think to myself, I was
like, you know, the last console

1994
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:02,400
I ever programmed was a hog too,
you know, Now I look at what

1995
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,200
guys.
What guys.

1996
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,800
Yeah, I know.
I look at what guys do on the on

1997
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:10,360
the MA now, you know, and the
way they interface all of the

1998
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:12,720
video and everything Wild.
Yeah.

1999
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:13,360
And.
And.

2000
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:16,720
Well, you look at a show like
the Eurovision and they have

2001
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:18,800
like, I don't even remember how
many it was.

2002
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,480
It was like 50 of them or
something MA threes and you're

2003
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:25,240
like, what the hell.
Like the network system that

2004
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:26,040
they.
Have to do.

2005
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,400
That's gonna save the network
piece, yeah.

2006
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,160
It's wild, you know?
I mean, I remember, you know,

2007
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,840
having the pin patch, you know,
getting into the heat, you, you

2008
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,400
went out and did the pin patch
on the AVO and you did your,

2009
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:40,600
your pin patch in the in the
dimmer rack.

2010
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,680
And back in the days with, with
the old RA Roth gear, you had

2011
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:48,080
the, you had the weed box, you
had another place to be

2012
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:49,800
patching.
You, you could actually patch

2013
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,680
the Acls all together in the box
so you didn't have to do it,

2014
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,840
which made for some great
patterns when you had the pods.

2015
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:00,120
And you could bring up 4 Acls
that are in series, but that

2016
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:01,600
that aren't LinkedIn a bar,
right?

2017
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,120
So, yeah, yeah.
But you know, I, I looked back,

2018
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:08,120
it was all hard wires and, you
know, copper.

2019
01:48:08,440 --> 01:48:09,880
Yeah.
You know, nowadays everything's

2020
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,800
all on, on networking and stuff
and, and I wouldn't even dream

2021
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,920
to, to know how to, to get into
all of that.

2022
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,960
You know, it's like every once
in a while I used to do AI used

2023
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,280
to do sound for a friend's band
or something.

2024
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:25,880
If they, if they didn't have
anybody to, you know, sit at the

2025
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,240
sound board and turn up the
solos and you know, do a sound

2026
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,080
check or whatever.
And I could make the drum sound

2027
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:32,720
real good.
I could make a band sound pretty

2028
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:36,640
good on a 24 channel sound craft
console, right?

2029
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,960
But then it got complicated.
Like I don't even know how to

2030
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,560
turn on these, these digital
consoles and all the plug

2031
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,320
insurance and where's the rack
of Eqs and stuff?

2032
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,280
Oh, we don't have that.
That's all plug insurance.

2033
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,120
And I'm like, yeah, I'm out
tapping out now.

2034
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:55,080
See ya.
Like, I remember, you know, Jim

2035
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:56,640
Yakimoski, right?
Yeah, of course.

2036
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,480
Yeah, so Jim, Jim and I worked
together back in the day, you

2037
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:04,400
know, with a a band called the
level in Vancouver and and boys

2038
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,880
room back in the in the in the
days and stuff and.

2039
01:49:07,480 --> 01:49:12,960
I was just talking to Kevin
recently, like, I don't know, a

2040
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,520
couple weeks ago or something.
Just online.

2041
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:18,360
We were having a conversation.
Haven't seen him in forever.

2042
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:23,040
Yeah, you know, I actually, I
actually heard an interview one

2043
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,480
time with with Jon Bon Jovi and
he was talking about like being

2044
01:49:27,480 --> 01:49:30,760
in Vancouver and seeing this
band that was so great.

2045
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,840
And he said, man, this guy could
sing journey like like he was

2046
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,320
Steve Perry.
And then when I talked to him,

2047
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,200
he said, you know, well where's
your original songs?

2048
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,000
And he said we don't have any
original songs.

2049
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,080
I was like, that was Kevin in
Boys room.

2050
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:43,960
Yeah, that's that he was talking
about.

2051
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:47,520
That's wild.
Yeah, He, he was a good dude.

2052
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,920
He was.
He was a good singer and he came

2053
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,000
to work for me for a while
because he wanted to get off the

2054
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,240
road and he was a terrible sales
guy.

2055
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:58,720
But but yeah, he was a good guy
and he's still doing it.

2056
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,520
He he sings for a band wherever
he lives now.

2057
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,120
Somewhere up north, I think,
like.

2058
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:06,280
Yeah, him and Craig from Simon
Chaos.

2059
01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:09,880
They live up in Fort Saint John.
Yeah, that's where it is, yeah.

2060
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:11,840
Yeah, and they sound pretty
good.

2061
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,360
I I listened to a couple of
videos online and they sounded

2062
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,080
pretty good.
Yeah, it does some good stuff.

2063
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,040
But I remember Yakubuski told me
years ago, he said, you know,

2064
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:22,000
when he first started out being
a sound guy, he was trying

2065
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,640
couldn't get the ringing and
feedback and having all of this

2066
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:27,680
trouble.
And I think he was working for

2067
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:29,680
bad dogs and heat or somebody
like that.

2068
01:50:30,440 --> 01:50:35,440
And but anyway, he was at a club
in Calgary.

2069
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:39,440
I forget the name of the club,
but it used to have like the

2070
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:42,320
penalty box was where you put
the front of house lights and

2071
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,720
sound.
And but there was another club,

2072
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,440
there was a Country Club and A
and a rock club in the same

2073
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:49,160
place.
So he went over to the

2074
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,440
countryside and was talking to
the guy who was doing sound and,

2075
01:50:52,440 --> 01:50:55,040
and he looked over and he said,
what's that?

2076
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,680
That's my EQ, Kevin, didn't he
or not Kevin?

2077
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,640
Jim didn't know what an EQ, what
an EQ was like he was running

2078
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,480
sound, but he didn't have a
that's something.

2079
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:05,880
How do you EQ the room?
Right.

2080
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:08,520
Like, yeah, totally had didn't
have one of those.

2081
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,760
Yeah, well, I got the bass here
and I got the treble here.

2082
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,520
It's all on the on the board.
Just right here, these little

2083
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:14,720
dials.
That's how I do it.

2084
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:18,520
Yeah, I remember he was.
He was like the first guy who

2085
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:22,000
figured out the sampling on the
drums, you know, with the the

2086
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:26,240
reverse gate on the snare drum
and the the real clicky bass

2087
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,080
drum with the trigger on it, the
sample trigger.

2088
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,080
He was the first guy that really
figured that out.

2089
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,400
And then he told me at one point
that that's that was one of the

2090
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:39,520
reasons he got hired by Striper,
because he knew how to work with

2091
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,840
sampling and drug drum triggers
and they wanted to get into

2092
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:46,080
that.
And, and so Jim got the gig.

2093
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:47,800
Yeah.
It's amazing.

2094
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,840
Like, you know, and Jim and I,
we got together last year.

2095
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,800
We just for a minute in
Nashville, you know, but it was

2096
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,400
it was fun because, you know, we
go back so, so long and it's

2097
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,360
been, I've been 20 years since
I've been off the road now.

2098
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:02,720
Yeah.
You know, my last, my last gig

2099
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:08,960
was in 2006.
So but and we were we were

2100
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,960
talking about like, yeah, yeah,
it's wild.

2101
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,280
But you know, it's funny because
he we were just just chatting

2102
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:19,760
and you know, there were so many
great crew guys that came out of

2103
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,120
Canada from that era.
You know, from that, like there

2104
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:25,680
will never be another era like
like the club scene of the 80s

2105
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:29,120
in Western Canada.
No, that was definitely not, you

2106
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:31,840
know, that was.
Well, even some of the

2107
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,720
musicians, like the talent level
of some of the musicians that

2108
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:38,080
were around, you know, look at
Kearns, Todd Kearns, all the

2109
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,880
gigs that he's doing still, you
know, like he's doing really

2110
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:41,920
well.
Yeah.

2111
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,000
And I remember electric real
well.

2112
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:45,840
Yeah.
And I was in a club band.

2113
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,360
I was doing lights for a club
band that Todd was was in.

2114
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,320
And he wasn't even the singer.
He sang some of the songs, but

2115
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:54,360
he was, you know, bass player
had that tiny little, little

2116
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:56,680
bass there and big gigantic
hair.

2117
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,200
I'm sure he'd, if I ever posted
a picture of him with his

2118
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,440
gigantic hair, he'd probably
come.

2119
01:53:02,440 --> 01:53:05,520
Want to come shoot me.
Yeah.

2120
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:09,880
You know, and even like the band
that they have together with,

2121
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:13,040
Yeah.
You know, I remember meeting,

2122
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:16,840
meeting Corey Churko, like, way
back, Yeah, when they were in

2123
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:19,000
their family band with their
whole family.

2124
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:21,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Playing a medicine, playing a

2125
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,160
Medicine Hat.
And yeah, they played upstairs,

2126
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:27,160
we played downstairs and and in
the band house, they stayed

2127
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:28,760
upstairs and we stayed
downstairs.

2128
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,200
Funny, though.
That's funny.

2129
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:34,680
Well, Rod, I've had you for way
too much of your day.

2130
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,160
You got to go sell something,
I'm sure, and I appreciate it.

2131
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:43,000
I enjoy talking with you and you
even took a couple hockey shots,

2132
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,920
which is good.
And you know, I try to keep it

2133
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,520
to a minimum.
I don't like to, you know, what

2134
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:51,280
I always find is when you rub it
in real hard, it's coming back

2135
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,720
to you twice as hard, you know,
So I'm generally pretty gentle

2136
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:57,040
about that kind of stuff.
I don't think I harassed you too

2137
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,920
much online or anything either.
So, you know, I've lost way more

2138
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:04,640
games in sports than than I've
won or my teams anyways.

2139
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:09,120
And so I I remain.
Sports fans everywhere next

2140
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:10,280
year.
Next.

2141
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:14,640
Yeah, Yeah.
Well, you have an amazing time

2142
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:17,880
and I don't know when I'll see
you, but probably LDI, I guess.

2143
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:19,840
Yep, Yep.
We're planning on coming down.

2144
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:21,600
Cool.
All right, Ryan.

2145
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,120
Awesome.
Thanks so much again.

2146
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:24,920
You as well.
We'll see you.

2147
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