#314 - Patrick Dierson - From Science Fiction to Reality: Stealth Innovations

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The secrecy of all of that, that
the technology is science

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fiction.
It, it really is, You know, we,

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we can go into anything
completely undetected.

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We, we did it with the bin Laden
raid.

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We've done it way before all of
this.

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But the Bin Laden raid, I think
was one of the recent uses of

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stealth technology where we were
using the a, a a top secret

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completely it, it had never left
Area 51.

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Those helicopters, they're the
stealth helicopters that we use,

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yeah.
Hello there and thanks for

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joining me today again on Geez
of gear and so I am not going to

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talk a bunch right now because I
know this is about to be a

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pretty long podcast because it
is my friend Patrick Dearson.

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The man likes to talk.
So in case you just fell on to

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this planet today and you don't
know who he is, Patrick Dearson

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is the president of The
Activity, a production design

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firm behind massive shows for
artists like Shakira, Drake and

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Jay-Z, plus events for FIFA,
iHeartRadio and even the White

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House.
With 30 plus years in the

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business, he's known for his no
BS approach, sharp design eye

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and ability to make any rig, big
or small, look like a spectacle.

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He's an open book when it comes
to the business of entertainment

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and he's got strong opinions
about where the live events

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industry is heading, especially
in the face of current economic

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slowdowns.
A devoted time blocker, staunch

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advocate for follow through.
By the way, his company motto is

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Acta Non Verba Actions, not
Words.

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Patrick brings a refreshing mix
of candor, wit, and deep

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industry experience to every
conversation.

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Patrick was last on the show
back in 2023, and you can search

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wherever you take in your
podcasts or go to geezofgear.com

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to check out his prior episodes
on this podcast.

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So with that, please welcome my
good friend Patrick Dearson.

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Patrick.
Hi there, how are you more so

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oh.
Did I catch you in the middle of

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a work e-mail or something?
Were you reading comics?

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I was putting everything on Do
not disturb.

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Oh, there you go.
Have this wait a second, wait a

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second.
Have I done it?

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Suggest.
You do the.

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Second, I did.
I did.

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I've done this once or twice.
Has it?

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All good.
There's a few things going on in

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the world.
So yeah, I'm I'm getting hit

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from the 2.
A few sides of.

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My life from production on the
geopolitical side.

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So there's a lot going.
On Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, let's discuss all of
those.

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I mean, really it, you know,
it's not like it's an

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interesting time in either our
industry or in the world right

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now.
You know, I just, I actually

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just before getting on this, I
turned on the news for about 5

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minutes when I actually got to
shovel down a piece of toast

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with peanut butter for my lunch
today.

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And, and you know, the stuff
coming out of NATO is pretty

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interesting.
Somebody called Trump daddy,

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which was was pretty funny.
One of the other leaders, I

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don't even know who it was,
'cause I just kind of caught it

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at the tail end.
Well, it's better than the judge

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that called the the the the
lawyer that called the judge

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Honey the other day, oh boy by
accident as he was rebutting

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something and oh boy cratered
the case.

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Yeah, well, that's not usually a
really great thing, you know,

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when you.
Traditionally, I found that

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calling the judge honey is
really like, you know, unless

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you have a real in there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's not probably not going to
work real well, but yeah.

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So that was kind of interesting.
And I've actually really been

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looking forward to getting on
this podcast because I wanted to

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get, you know, I value your
opinion when it comes to

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geopolitics.
You tend to read a little deeper

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and, and educate yourself a
little deeper than a lot of

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people do on either side of the
crazy, you know, political

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biases.
But, you know, I particularly

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love having conversations with
you and, and you know, for, for

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full transparency, Patrick,
myself and John Wiseman have a

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little group chat thing going on
that has been going for what, a

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year now probably.
Oh, easily, yeah.

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And the day, the day that chat
gets leaked, I think we're all

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going to The Hague.
Nobody wants to get, we don't

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want anybody getting their hands
on that chat.

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It's an interesting chat to to
say the least.

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Which reminds me, I got to lock
my phone for when I die.

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You know, to make sure that it
like, blows itself up or

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something.
But.

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I don't know how we started that
either, but it came about kind

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of spontaneously.
And I've been very thankful for

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it to me too.
And thank you for doing it

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because it, it has been really
informed of it's, it's a great

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therapy session.
You talk about, you know,

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whether whether people look at
the three of us and like or

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dislike any of us, you know.
Well, The funny thing is most

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people hate all three of us, so
I think we're in the same pool.

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You.
Know and as I always say, if you

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don't have any enemies, you're
you.

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You're not growing.
Yeah, you're not trying hard

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enough.
Yeah, you're really not.

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Because if you're going to
succeed in life and in business

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in particular, you're that's
inevitable.

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They're going.
Towards.

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People that lose to you and then
hold grudges and you know, then

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that's you know, then it's
about.

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Yeah, it, it is unfortunate, you
know, and, and I think everyone

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from a standpoint of, you know,
just the way your mind works, I

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think everyone falls into
moments in their life when they

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start wishing people around them
badly or they start celebrating

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when people fail.
And whenever I notice myself

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doing that even a little bit,
even the people I don't love so

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much, you know, whenever I
noticed myself doing that, I

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just kind of, you know, shake
myself out of it because it's

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just not healthy.
It's not healthy.

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Like you got to just wish people
well and hope that everyone

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succeeds wildly.
And, and we have it in our.

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Employee handbook.
It's literally, Yeah, it's it's

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one of the topics in the
employee.

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In fact, I think I have it
behind me.

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Give me one second.
I'll literally read it to you.

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Hold.
On Oh wow, cool.

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Live on the air, people.
I'm just really happy to know

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you have pants on today.
It's so.

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I'm happy to know you have pants
on today.

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Patrick, I do.
I'm wearing pants.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rare occasion.

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I did check.
The ACS on so we have at the

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activity, we've got a team
guidelines thing, right?

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And so this, this is as it says,
in lieu of an HR department, we

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have, you know, some, some basic
guidelines.

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It's branded, you know, it's,
it's, it starts with the, the,

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the tag line here.
I've been in this game for

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years, it made me an animal.
There's rules to this shit and I

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wrote me a manual, a step by
step booklet for you to get your

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game on track and not your wig
push back.

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That's from the 10 crack
commandments so notorious.

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BIG.
That's funny.

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And it's it's a just a basic
little manual of things.

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And we we discussed that
particular topic in it.

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I'm looking your where it
specifically says.

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Don't hate on other people for
winning.

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Well, if you weren't there, then
try to be kind.

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And then this is something we've
all we, we all go through on

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every production and we hear of
other people's productions and

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we hear of failures so much.
If failures get celebrated,

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particularly social media, we're
seeing, you know, that there are

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complete Instagram accounts to
vote at the stage collapses or

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nonsense, these accidents that
happen or, or LED walls crashing

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and, and there's tragic
accidents.

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Instead, you will absolutely be
in situations where it will be

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easy to speak down upon your
competitions, project failures

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and challenges.
You will look at others work

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easily dismiss it as not being
very good.

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They will easily return this
favor in kind.

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And the fact of the matter is
that if you were not there to

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witness their process, then it's
safe to assume that the project

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had the same set of challenges
that compromised your

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competitions and product, just
like you have had and will

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endure again.
Be better than your competition

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and be kind to the fact that
those professionals were

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probably handed factors out of
their control that caused

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compromises in their end
product.

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If you were there and witnessed
that they legitimately suck at

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their job, then still be kind.
Their client is likely to be

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calling the guys who know how to
do that job properly the next

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time around.
And everybody likes to be with

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kind people.
Yeah, it's very simple.

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That's a great way of saying it,
but you know, really, at the end

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of the day, don't be a
douchebag.

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That's all this.
Is the short version of it is

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don't be a Dick yeah hello Anne
thanks for joining me again

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You know, it's, it's again, like

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when I'm having a problem or I'm
in the middle of a, a terrible

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moment in life or, or a business
challenge or whatever it is,

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it's easy to look around you and
go, God, dearson's life is so

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good.
You know, he's just collecting

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cash right now.
He's not dealing with the

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problems I'm dealing with.
And you know, I was having one

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of those mornings this morning
and then very sadly, my son

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sends me a message and said, did
you see Jason's?

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And I won't say his last name
because I don't even want to.

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If anyone knows him, he's not in
our industry, but he's in the

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racing industry.
But did you see Jason's Facebook

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this morning?
And I'm like, no.

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And my son grew up racing with
Jason's kids first.

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The the older daughter was
exactly Jeremy's age and they

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raced in go karts and she was
his first nemesis.

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Like they were fighting over
last and 2nd last in every race

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that they started out in, right?
And then he started climbing up

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a little faster than her 'cause
she was starting to get into

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girly things at that point,
right?

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And then later on with the the
son who was a few years younger.

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ANYWAYS, the son died and Jason
posted, you know, I've never in

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my life believed that I would
have to say these things and

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blah, blah, blah.
And I was just thinking, you

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know, all that shit that I was
just complaining about is gone,

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right, You know?
Like it?

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It puts all the stuff in
perspective.

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It really does.
It really does.

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We we have 19 year old kid by
the way.

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Oh my God, it yeah.
So this is unfortunately going

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around so well.
Fentanyl fentanyl.

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Is that what I I mean, I don't
know what that's what it is.

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I whenever I hear it because
I'll tell you I have probably 5

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or 6 friends or friends of
friends, like people I know

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whose kids have passed away like
under 25 years old in the last

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10 years.
And I think 90% of them are are

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fentanyl related or drug
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Yeah, this, this stuff is so
dangerous.

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And it is.
It has really destroyed at

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recreational drug use.
I mean, you know, not not

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glamorizing that at all, but
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death.
This is well these.

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These kids think they're doing a
little party bump, you know, to

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stay up a little later at night
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Like my insurance girls doing
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Papers and trying to stay up
doing a right yeah, you know,

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it's OK.
My, my insurance girl, she's

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like 2526 years old and her
fiance a couple of years ago

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went out with some friends for
like a bachelor party or

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something and it was like 5
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They all died.
Oh my God, they all died, you

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know, and again, it was just bad
cocaine.

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It's.
Insane now it's and I I, I think

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you saw the post I did on
Instagram a few months ago about

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you know, this is this and this
is directly fentanyl related.

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You know, you can, a lot of
people don't realize this.

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You can absorb fentanyl through
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coming, just coming into contact
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I was at SHOT Show in Las Vegas
back in January.

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SHOT Show is, for lack of a
better term, it's, it's the, the

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largest weapons Expo in North
America.

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It's our.
It's our our big.

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That's so off brand.
That's so off brand for you,

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Patrick.
So I.

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I happen to be.
Wandering around, found myself

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inside for some reason and one
one of the things I kept seeing

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in one of the pavilions that was
quite consistent that was

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primarily devoted to not
firearms or any explosives or

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any weaponry.
This is strictly protective

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gear.
So it was all things for law

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enforcement, paramedics, first
responder gear, and it's

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everything from from gloves and
helmets to, you know, knee pads

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and riot gear and all this crazy
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One of the consistent things I
was seeing is one of the hot

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items was fentanyl protective
barrier gloves.

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So you know, the, the, the
typical exam gloves that you're

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going to put on when you're
going to deal with anything.

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If you have ACPR kit, you're
going to have exam gloves in

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that to, to deal with the victim
because you're supposed to, as a

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civilian, you are supposed to
have a barrier on paramedics.

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If the, if there are no more
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legally not obligated to assist
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Most people don't realize that
there are there are a lot of

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legalities to these things, but
one of the big ones particularly

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for law enforcement, Drug
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with with drug and crime
fentanyl protective barrier

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gloves now, so it's not just a
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They're actually coated with a
specific barrier on them where

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fentanyl can't penetrate the
chemicals of that interesting go

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through what that means is any
contacts can be have a

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significant impact.
One of the things we're seeing

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and just to give a quick little
bit of background to this, many

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years ago I had a kidnapping
attempt on me in Rio de Janeiro

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and that that, that situation,
I, I managed to get out of it

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and and fled the country.
It was all ended well, but it

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reinforced the fact that all of
my counter custody skills that I

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had in the earlier stages of my
career really needed to be

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updated.
So I started training with a new

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group of, of people.
So I've, I've got several

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instructors and, and most of
them are currently working for

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government agencies and they're,
they're doing a lot of different

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work within the agencies.
Obviously a lot of this stuff,

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particularly in the Southwest,
is orientated toward cartel

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activity as we have so much of
it down here.

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We caught cartels actually using
the natural ravine wash just

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behind our property here at the
studio as a dead drop for

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fentanyl bags.
And we really thought that,

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yeah, it's, it's a bit active
with the local community and

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that kind of stuff and, and
keeping an eye on it.

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So when you say a drop like
they're dropping it from

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airplanes.
No, no.

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No, Oh, they're just dropping it
there and somebody else picks.

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It for instance in like you'll
see it in spy movies.

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It's an espionage thing.
The term is called a dead drop.

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And it's like in a spy movie,
you'll see a guy walk by a

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telephone pole and as he walks
by, he's got a little piece of

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chalk in his hands and he just
puts a little whip on the the

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thing with chalk.
And that's to let somebody else

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know that at A at a pre
discovered low or predetermined

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location, there's something now
that will be there ready for

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pick up so the other guy can
walk by and he sees that.

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And now he knows, oh, I need to
go to the park bench and the

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park we talked about and reach
under the sea and there's a tape

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thing there.
Whatever, you know, a USB stick.

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Yeah.
That's called a dead drop.

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OK.
It's been used in espionage.

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It's the dawn of time.
I've seen it in every.

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Movie going back to late.
Yeah, the guy who goes on the

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pay phone and leaves his
briefcase sitting there.

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And another guy comes by and
picks it up.

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Yeah, of course.
So that, that's called a dead

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drop.
So cartels use, they use the

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same stuff.
So they, they, they use a lot of

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the same tactics that the other
agencies and enforcement units

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use.
And So what we were seeing was a

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pickup truck would come by and a
guy would drop a garbage bag, a

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big heavy, perfectly tied.
Up and this is near your house.

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This is literally 2 acres from
where I'm sitting right now.

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Jesus.
I have a dirt lot behind us and

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I have that lot and then it's a
wash and then more acreage that

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a a church next to us has
purchased to build on.

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I'm I'm surprised you don't have
like machine guns on like these,

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you know, auto sensing you.
Know funny enough, we we've

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looked into the paintball
version of.

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That Oh my goodness.
The Humvee, I actually keep the

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mini gun on top out in the
driveway.

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It's the best deterrence for
everything.

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Yeah, it it keeps the Jehovah
Witnesses out of your.

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Nobody comes knocking.
Your front door?

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Yeah.
But that we, you know, the pick

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a truck would come by, they
would drop the garbage bag.

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And the reason we were tuned
into this was for a long time we

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were having a rash of the
illegal dumping.

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So in more rural areas, in areas
in, in, in urban areas like Las

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Vegas, where you also have a lot
of undeveloped land within the

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the city limits, as busy as it
is, you've got these huge swaths

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of dirt lots.
So it's, it's very common to

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have illegal dumping done.
And actually the Southern Health

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District of Nevada are the ones
that enforce that.

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And they've, they basically have
a snitch line for it that you

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call it, if you can capture this
on camera or video to prove it,

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get a license plate of who did
it, a description and that

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stuff, it gives them the
ammunition to go after that.

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And, and then as I've come to
find out, you, you get a couple

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of bucks for it if it all goes
to court and they, they're fine.

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So we were watching this because
there was a rash of illegal

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dumping going on.
And I I caught a guy one day

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that was dumping an entire
construction site.

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Into the wash now, by the way,
not on a lot.

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This is a natural wash, which is
water reclamation.

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So you're putting all this
construction shit in where water

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for drinking water and reclaims
runoff is going even worse.

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That's the environment.
There's a million things that

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are wrong with it.
And I, I rolled back somewhat

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aggressively is, is I've known
to do and dealt with him and he

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was later arrested and, you
know, all came to a head.

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So we, we, we've very much been
attuned to this.

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I started seeing a repeated
truck coming by and each time he

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would just leave a garbage bag
and take off.

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And one day I we have a drone
that is got an autopilot thing.

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So even my wife can do it and
she can just set it out, hit the

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button, it launches, it goes and
hits predetermined waypoints to

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film and then comes back when
you say return it.

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So that even if I'm not home and
there's illegal dumping going

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on, she can hit the button and
this thing will just record it

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for us.
And then we've got the

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documentation.
So it's basically automated

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drone footage.
I I sent the drone up to take a

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look and I wanted to see what
the garbage was and I wanted to

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see the guy took off so fast.
I didn't get the the plate

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tracked them.
You could do a little like

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square on a object on the drone
thing and it follows it

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automatically couldn't get the
plate.

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I whatever I miss out.
I had it coming back and I

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happen to notice another truck
comes by and I look and the dude

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jumps out, grabs a garbage bag,
puts it in the back, takes off

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the same path.
This starts happening over and

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over again.
So now if we realized, OK, this

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is an issue, one thing leads to
another.

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We come to find out these are
cartel guys and they're doing

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fentanyl, drops of garbage bags
of fentanyl.

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This is a type of shit that can
kill like 2 billion people, but

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it's phenomenal amount.
So this stuff's been a real

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problem.
And the guys that I'm training

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with for, for a lot of counter
custody and covert entry and,

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and some of the other, you know,
so hobbies of mine, they, they

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are dealing with the, the Border
Patrol and DEA and FBI dealing

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directly with the cartels.
One of the issues that came up

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in our training was a tactic
where they will if, if, if they

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if a cartel has an issue with an
area or say it's an individual

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that has a large home and
property where they can kind of

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somewhat guarantee that stuff
will drop onto that property and

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that person's going to come and
clean it up.

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They'll get a helium balloon and
some sort of innocuous thing.

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In the case of my example of the
thing that fell in my backyard

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that we we grabbed it was a
Hawaiian party lay just bullshit

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little thing and you know a
little message on it.

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Now this can be absolutely
nothing.

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It could literally have been
from someone having a tiki party

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in the neighborhood and it
launched it.

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Yeah, I'm going to play a joke.
But it could not and and the

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only reason it was on my radar
was because it literally came

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out of training with this issue.
So they will coat the objects in

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fentanyl what put it on the
balloon with just a little bit

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of helium so that they know it's
going to deflate or they'll put

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enough of a tiny pin in it where
they know it'll go up and then

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descends pretty rapidly in the
direction.

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They wait for the wind to just
be right.

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You can just drive by in your
car and the right wind let it

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go.
And this thing's probably going

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to land in the area that you
want.

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It's it's relatively accurate
given where the wind is.

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If you're paying attention.
As crazy as it sounds, a child,

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teenager, an adult walks by to
clean it up, immediately comes

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in contact with this.
You may not make it back to the

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garbage can.
Jesus.

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So when it's penetrating your
skin, it's it's almost as bad as

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as digesting.
It's congestion.

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Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's the thing

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people don't realize.
It's just, you know, now what is

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it a pressed pill?
You know that form.

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It's not raw fentanyl.
So it's like, you know, it's not

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like you're taking the pill and,
and you're, if you're holding it

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in your hand or it's melted in
your pocket or some nonsense.

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It's, it's, there's, there are
more barriers.

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It's more likely because most
people aren't like holding on

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and sweating onto a pill.
You.

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Know usually you're getting it
and popping it and you're having

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the party right like or it's in
a baggie or something.

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So the context's much more
minimalized and the the pressing

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of the pill with the other
composites of that add some

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barrier to that.
That's incredible though that

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this shit's going on on your
property like that, you know?

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So did you ever find out this
going on?

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Was it targeted?
No, was that well, I don't know.

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I, I grabbed it with a garbage
bag which I had with me and

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scooped it up and got all
together and I had I had posted

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it on on Instagram talking
about.

449
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320
That I remember seeing that.
I remember seeing that, yeah.

450
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,800
And I, I got a lot of weird push
back from people going, you

451
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,200
know, oh, that's ridiculous.
And it you know, and it's like

452
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
it's.
A balloon, Patrick.

453
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,320
It's just, you know.
Live your life the way you want.

454
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,000
I happen to be training with
people where we literally just

455
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,320
came out of a Class A few weeks
ago with this exact tactic, and

456
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,720
this is not something you're
going to be taught as an average

457
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,800
individual.
Well, this is a world right now

458
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,200
where knowledge is is it makes
you a little bit crazy.

459
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,480
You know, knowledge creates
paranoia for sure, because the

460
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240
more you know, the more you fear
of what could happen.

461
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,720
And you know, it's like me with
AI, like, you know, the further

462
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:09,240
down the path I go on AI, the
more I wouldn't say afraid, but

463
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:15,280
the more respectful or the more
thoughtful I am about the

464
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
technology.
Because yes, there is going to

465
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,520
be sort of a crossover point
where where AI either helps us

466
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,640
or harms us.
And a lot of people think it's

467
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,480
going to harm us.
A lot of people think it's going

468
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,080
to help us.
I want to know a lot about it

469
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,320
because if it is going to harm
me, I want to see it coming.

470
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:39,480
You know, just like the.
The last CEO of IBM was Ginny

471
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,680
Rimetti.
She's an absolutely lovely

472
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800
woman.
I've, I went around the world

473
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,680
with her for a lot of the, the,
the keynote speeches that she

474
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,800
was giving and I, I worked with,
with both her from an

475
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,120
entertainment standpoint and her
security team on some stuff.

476
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,480
And ironically enough, I was, it
was just four or three or four

477
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000
weeks after my kidnapping
attempt in Brazil.

478
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,960
We were going back down to Sao
Paulo for a keynote with her.

479
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,360
And I had to do a whole brief
with her security team because

480
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760
of the potential compromise.
So I didn't know if this was

481
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,880
going to track, you know, into
from Rio to Sao Paulo.

482
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,680
So we had to make sure that
everybody knew about the

483
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,320
situation.
We ended up moving me by a

484
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,880
helicopter actually around Sao
Paulo as as well as her.

485
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,360
Anyway, she, she was a lovely
woman and, and extremely savvy

486
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,120
at the end of her tenure.
She was, she was ultimately just

487
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000
getting to the point where she
was, knew it was time for a

488
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,440
change and she, she wanted to
sort of pass things off.

489
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,480
So she was leaving the company
and she did her final open

490
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,360
letter goodbye to the industry
that she was exiting.

491
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,360
And it's, it's worth looking up
and finding because it, it, this

492
00:27:53,360 --> 00:28:02,440
was back in, I, I want to say
2018, I think a 2017 around

493
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,040
that.
So AI was a thing, but not to

494
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,160
the general public.
AI was a, a super tech thing.

495
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,360
IBM was talking about AI because
of the Watson computer and

496
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,840
things.
It was a much higher level

497
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,960
conversation.
This was, you know, it was, it

498
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,320
was nothing but Terminator jokes
and, and the nonsense that that

499
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,440
goes around with it.
So it was, it was very fresh and

500
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:32,720
her exit letter was devoted to
AI and it was a warning to the

501
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,720
tech industry solely devoted to
the fact that at at no point

502
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,000
must you ever allow this to be
weaponized, this technology.

503
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,800
And, and she gave this speech
and, and quite frankly, what she

504
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,200
was actually discussing was
basically Terminators.

505
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,640
It was it was insane.
Now flash forward to four weeks

506
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,920
ago at the Venetian Convention
Center.

507
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,840
We're doing Dell World, the,
the, the, which is their, their,

508
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
it's like their Super Bowl thing
where they're going to do their

509
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,320
big keynote and their Expo and,
and all the, they take over the

510
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,600
whole joint.
We, we do a significant amount

511
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,360
of work with them on that.
And I'm standing on their trade

512
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:25,120
show booth floor with a humanoid
robot walking around with me and

513
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,120
I am looking at this thing and,
and, and this is on top of the

514
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,800
year before where I spent a lot
of the time at the show with the

515
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,080
their AT&T AI division because
they had their military robot

516
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,040
dogs there.
And we were, we were actually

517
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,000
discussing getting them for my
property as the security

518
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,440
perimeter team.
And so we went from one year

519
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,520
having a robot dog that has the
ability to have a, a, a, a, a

520
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,680
millimeter scanning panel on it
that can go up to a wall and

521
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,840
scan a wall and tell you exactly
who's behind it, where the

522
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,560
gunmen are, where the hostages.
Are.

523
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Oh my goodness.
It can go and take that

524
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,080
millimeter scanner, get low, get
into a crushed building after an

525
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,320
earthquake and scan for survive.
You know, it's not totally an

526
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,560
offensive thing.
It's very much designed for for

527
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,760
search and rescue purposes.
It can do all of these amazing

528
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,320
things.
A year later, I'm walking around

529
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,120
with a humanoid robot on the
same trade show for Wild in one

530
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,000
year's time.
So you know, how long until that

531
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,280
robot's got a gun in its hand?
You know how how we're sending

532
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,360
that from the guise of well,
we're not going to send our boys

533
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,960
to fight the war anymore.
We're going to send the robots.

534
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,320
OK, great.
Which?

535
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,560
Is sounds great on the surface.
Where this goes horribly wrong

536
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:47,920
in?
The end?

537
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,760
No, but it sounds great on the
surface.

538
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,480
But when there's no human cost,
you make different decisions,

539
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,680
right?
And so now we don't care

540
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,760
necessarily of, of how vicious
this is or how bad it is or what

541
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,800
the implications or risks are
because humans from our side

542
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,280
aren't going to die.
And so we don't care that

543
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,920
thousands of extra humans on the
other side might die.

544
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360
You know, this is one of the
challenges with the AI wars that

545
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,960
we could have in the future.
There's.

546
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,520
An interesting what you say
there is an interesting

547
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,080
correlation because you're
you're also discussing what

548
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:31,160
we've gone through already with
the weaponization of aircraft.

549
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Yeah.
So, yeah, funny, funny meme the

550
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,360
other day of picture of the
Wright brothers, you know,

551
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,960
airplane, the very first one and
and, you know, just pencil

552
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,360
drawing and one of them going,
can you put guns on it?

553
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,680
Yeah.
The last fucking thing the

554
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Wright brothers ever would
envision was that we were

555
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,240
putting guns on a freaking air.
Like, just enjoy the gift of

556
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,720
flight, for God's sakes.
Yeah, immediately we want to put

557
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,200
guns on it.
But that's what we did.

558
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,040
And what what guns and bombs and
planes had done was, was remove

559
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,000
the human connection to it,
because up until that point it

560
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,760
was face to face fighting.
Well, yeah, as soon as you can

561
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,480
deliver weapons from a distance,
you know everything that changes

562
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,920
over.
Time, right?

563
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Yeah, you went from.
You become numb to the.

564
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,680
David to the rock throwing a
Goliath to, you know, rifles to

565
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,760
now intercontinental ballistic
missiles.

566
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Yeah, it just keeps going and
going.

567
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,880
But now we've got the the AI
component of this and I don't

568
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:38,520
think people understand how long
AI has been utilized in military

569
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,560
technology because we're talking
going back to the early Iraq

570
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,720
war.
Yeah.

571
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:50,040
And I was just with CEO of
Palantir Alex and we, we were

572
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480
doing a, a thing for the Navy
SEAL Foundation and, and he had

573
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,400
come in to, to be one of the,
our final fireside chat guest

574
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,440
speakers.
And it was fascinating talk, but

575
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,680
absolutely terrifying.
And I, I can't, I can't sit here

576
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440
and, and, and say that because
I, I do, a lot of people think

577
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
I'm a huge proponent of the
military industrial complex in

578
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,960
general and, and, and in many
aspects, of course I am.

579
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,240
But in a lot of stuff, it's it's
this massive air of caution

580
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,120
because of this technology being
put in it and the things they

581
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,120
were talking about.
Well, I would say that's.

582
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Been used it's.
Crazy.

583
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Sorry to interrupt, but I feel
like you are more involved from

584
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,680
a defense standpoint than an
offense standpoint.

585
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Like you're not interested, same
as me.

586
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,480
And you know, people are going
to hate that I'm saying this,

587
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,120
but it seems to be the same as
Trump.

588
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,360
You know, Trump wants very
strong defense and occasionally

589
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,480
you have to, you know, fire a
warning shot or two or three or

590
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,040
what was it, 21 or 80 or
something total?

591
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,280
I don't remember.
But so, you know, yeah.

592
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,080
I mean, I love defense
technologies, but I, I don't

593
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,960
love, you know, wars.
Yeah, no, it's, it's the, the

594
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
whole war thing is horrible.
And I think that like

595
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,199
immediately what when you're
going to discuss this type of

596
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,320
thing, the very first thing you
do is you got to take the names

597
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,920
off of it.
You, you like fuck the Trump

598
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,880
thing, just just take the name
off of it.

599
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,560
The Biden thing, the Obama
thing, the Bush thing, like just

600
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,239
take their names off of it.
And just look at, you know, what

601
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,600
was done and was the no matter
who did it and whether you agree

602
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,679
with the other things of all
that those people do, you know,

603
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,239
was the action reasonable and
justified?

604
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,360
You know, so you know, for
instance, what we just went

605
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,320
through with with Iran.
You know so this.

606
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,360
Is, you know, obviously a hot
topic this week.

607
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,960
Yeah.
And it's.

608
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,800
Yeah, I've been looking forward
to actually talking to you among

609
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,639
all people that I've had
conversations with about this

610
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,440
because, you know, I'll quickly
give you my viewpoint on it,

611
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,200
which is basically, you know,
was there was there intent and

612
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,440
was there a reason?
Was there a purpose to do

613
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,800
something like this?
Well, for many years they've

614
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400
been kind of poking us in the
chest and playing with us and

615
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,120
saying no, no, no, we're not
building any nukes.

616
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,840
You know, meanwhile, all the
evidence points the other

617
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,040
direction and they they make a
deal that's paid in cash on

618
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,240
pallets to, to not go past a
certain point with enrichment

619
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,800
and all of those things.
But then they stop letting the

620
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,000
inspectors in, which is part of
the deal, right?

621
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Which, you know, at any given
point in this thing, you get the

622
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,040
feeling that they're bad actors
and, and so now you got to try

623
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,760
and pull them back to the center
of the deal.

624
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,000
Right.
The first thing I wanted to say

625
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,440
is when you're discussing global
thermal nuclear war, there are

626
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,600
no good actors.
Let's start well of.

627
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Course, of course, there's
always somebody.

628
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,600
They're making deals and
breaking deals as fast as you

629
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,960
walk out of the room, right?
So they're not, they're not

630
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,520
good.
They're not, I don't know.

631
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,160
Not that you'd expect them to be
good actors like you said.

632
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,040
No, but you expect to.
Uphold the accord.

633
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,440
So the reason the cause is
there.

634
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,880
And so Trump didn't just start
bombing them as soon as he got

635
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,840
his second term, you know, take
his name away.

636
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,160
But the president started to
negotiate with them.

637
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,760
He said, what are my major
problems?

638
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,720
And he tackled them 1 by 1 by 1
by 1.

639
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,360
Iran was one of them.
And so, you know, on the

640
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,880
surface, it certainly looks like
he's just protecting Israel, his

641
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440
his friends in Israel or
whatever.

642
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,200
I think this week kind of maybe
corrected some of those, those

643
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,360
chatters.
But, you know, so he went into

644
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,840
negotiations and he put a 60 day
timeline on it and they pissed

645
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,080
all over the timeline and didn't
negotiate well or, or in a way

646
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,680
that was legitimate or whatever.
And, you know, he had to act

647
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600
and, and you know, so I don't
love war.

648
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,160
I don't like bombing people.
I don't like them bombing us.

649
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,640
But, you know, let's face it,
the whole world, I think,

650
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,960
believes that Iran should not be
armed with nukes.

651
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,120
So.
And that's, you know, that's

652
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,640
really what it comes down to is,
you know, first I, I have a lot

653
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,320
of personal conflict with, with,
with a lot of that structure.

654
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,360
And, and, and the Middle East is
a whole other onion.

655
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,160
They, most people have not
studied they, they, they don't

656
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040
even know what the Balfour
Accord is or how it relates to

657
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Israel.
It's it's, it's very challenging

658
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,080
thing to discuss with people who
have not educated themselves on

659
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,360
it, but.
They're making emotional.

660
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,280
Statements, yeah, they're, they
get very emotional.

661
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,920
They but but they also, you
know, you'll always have to be,

662
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
you know, once again, going back
to being kind, you have to be

663
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,880
kind to the fact that people are
speaking from a standpoint of

664
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,760
they only know what they know.
And if they haven't educated

665
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,280
themselves on the other aspects
of this and most importantly,

666
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,560
haven't done so with an open
mind, You know, you, you can't

667
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,640
roll in to to try and learn
something with an opinion about

668
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,920
it up front.
You really?

669
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,760
Have political bias you know, if
you're on the left, you have to

670
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,520
love Palestine and hate Israel
if you're on the right, you have

671
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,440
to love Israel and hate
everybody else.

672
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,480
And you know, you and I are both
neither of those seek knowledge,

673
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,440
correct?
That's.

674
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,280
All part of the quest of
knowledge and, and bettering

675
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680
yourself, bettering your mind.
It's, you know, still

676
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:21,360
philosophy, philosophy, but the,
the, it's, it's, it's, it's

677
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,080
really challenging because I
look at it from a standpoint of,

678
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,680
all right, let's say I, I, I'm
going to put away the fact that

679
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,080
I don't care for Iran for my own
political views.

680
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,720
I don't like the regime change
that happened.

681
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,160
Most people don't even know what
Iran was like back in the the

682
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,360
60s and 70s.
But before the, the, the Shahs

683
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,240
came to power and changed
everything and put these

684
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,040
restricted, beautiful,
incredible place.

685
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,760
They're a sovereign nation.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to

686
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,480
protect themselves with nuclear
weapons?

687
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Well, the entire Western world
has a very different outlook on

688
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,600
that because they're looking at
it from you only know what you

689
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,640
know.
And all we know is you guys have

690
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,160
done nothing but run around
screaming death to America,

691
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,160
death to the West, death to
Germany, death to the UK.

692
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,440
It's they just death to Israel.
They just like you guys just

693
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,120
seem to want to kill everybody.
We don't really think it's a

694
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,600
great idea.
You're allowed to have this

695
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
thing.
So as a global group, we're

696
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160
going to say you're not allowed
to do that until you learn how

697
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,000
to behave properly.
So this has gone on and they've

698
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,480
continued to skirt this issue
for a long time, ultimately led

699
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,560
to one of the one of the one of
the greatest hacks that has ever

700
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,120
been done that most people
haven't heard about, much less

701
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,760
studied.
And if you thought the pagers

702
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,600
thing that the Israelis pulled
off was phenomenal, the the

703
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Stuxnet virus is another
fantastic thing to look up and

704
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:52,880
see how how Mossad was able to
get this into Iran and into the

705
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,400
the centrifuges of their nuclear
enrichment program.

706
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,240
It was developed along with the
United States.

707
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,160
And basically, Stuxnet is a
completely innocuous bit of

708
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,160
code.
Within bajillions of lines of

709
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,800
code to find it is almost
impossible and it's a self

710
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,800
replicating virus that is
completely harmless until

711
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:25,880
something about it that it knows
is activated and how it's

712
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,600
transmitted is via USB key.
There's a most people that deal

713
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,360
with technology computers know
the what, what hard gapping or

714
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,600
air gapping computer lines are.
It's where you have a computer

715
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,160
that is never allowed to touch
the Internet.

716
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,960
And so these are just solely
separate things.

717
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,080
The the computers that run
nuclear centrifuges are never

718
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,720
hooked up to the Internet.
Then you can assure that the

719
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,160
only way they could possibly be
compromised, there's someone

720
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,520
who's physically standing there.
So they developed a virus that

721
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:06,760
could self replicate so much
that they all they needed to do

722
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:13,480
was put it on some sticks, for
instance at the factory and

723
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,560
anybody that bought 1 and stuck
it in a computer, it immediately

724
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,400
infected your computer.
It didn't do anything, but it,

725
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,680
it didn't infect that, I should
say.

726
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,800
It jumped to it.
And if you stuck another USB

727
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,120
key, a different one in there,
it jumped to the key and went to

728
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,840
the next computer.
Interesting.

729
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Well, you think how quickly
things can spread virally.

730
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,680
And, and we've certainly gone
through everybody's a pandemic

731
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,800
expert these days, so they know
how viruses are spread.

732
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,840
Same thing with computers.
It's very easy for things to

733
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
then explode.
Well, it only took a matter of

734
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,560
time before enough USB sticks in
Iran got infected with this

735
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,800
stuff with travellers coming in
and their business moving or

736
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,480
whatever.
For one nuclear technician

737
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,920
working in Ishfahan to be deep
down in a bunker at the

738
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,080
centrifuges and update some
software that he was utilizing

739
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,400
to keep the centrifuges in
balance and the Stuxnet virus.

740
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,480
And by the way, this is a gross
over generalization of it.

741
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520
I'm sure people can attack all
the details of this, but go

742
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,600
ahead and research it.
It's.

743
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,560
Fascinating people disagree with
us.

744
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,880
You, you plug this thing into
the computer and these

745
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,280
particular Stuxnet virus was
looking for serial numbers of

746
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,800
centrifuges on processors.
And the second it knew that's

747
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:43,120
the one, it started to
unbalancing, unbalance all of

748
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:49,200
the speeds of the centrifuges.
And I think this was back in, I

749
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,040
think it was 2009, this happened
where they had an.

750
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,200
Explosion at so from Wikipedia,
so it must be true.

751
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,040
Stuxnet is a malicious computer
worm first uncovered on June

752
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,840
17th, 2010, thought to have been
in development since at least

753
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,960
2005.
Stuxnet targets supervisory

754
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,120
control and data acquisition
systems and is believed to be

755
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,720
responsible for causing
substantial damage to the Iran

756
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,760
nuclear program.
So that's the summarized version

757
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120
of and.
So when you can't get physical

758
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,360
access to something that is so
high security in such a

759
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,280
restrictive country, that
problem can solve itself.

760
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Bit of a problem, yeah.
Now the real issue is the

761
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Stuxnet is on everything.
It's on our power grid, it's on

762
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,400
our gas stations.
It's yeah, it it, it can be

763
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,360
compromised yet again and used
against us because now it's

764
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,680
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So let me ask you something.
So you know, I'm a knucklehead

781
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,840
when it comes to all this war
stuff because I'm Canadian and

782
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,200
God knows we don't have a
military in Canada and we never

783
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,800
thought much about wars up here.
But so no matter who the

784
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,960
president is, I'm always
impressed and, and just really

785
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,760
happy to be American when when I
see things that are just

786
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,360
unbelievably either powerful or
impressive or just like that end

787
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,720
wars really quickly.
You know, and I'm not talking

788
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,440
about nukes.
I'm talking about very decisive,

789
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,880
very small, very targeted
pinpoint action, right?

790
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,680
So of course, I was blown away
by what happened this weekend.

791
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:26,600
And you know, so from my
viewpoint, again, you had a plan

792
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,640
that was not leaked, which is
shocking, especially given, you

793
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,480
know, this who's in office right
now and how badly the rest of DC

794
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,480
hates him.
So it wasn't leaked.

795
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,040
Nobody knew except a very tight
little group of people.

796
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Decoys were put up.
They flew planes off the West

797
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Coast to get people in the media
and everyone going, oh God,

798
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,360
they're sending out planes this
way, B52 bombers.

799
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,800
And then meanwhile, in the
middle of night, you know,

800
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,160
they're sending planes the other
direction straight to Iran.

801
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,720
I believe I sent you the the
snapshot of the flight track of

802
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,400
all the tags.
You did, which was unbelievable.

803
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,120
So the forward air refueling had
taken off of 20 of them.

804
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Unreal.
Well, here we go.

805
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,280
This is about to something's.
Going to be down.

806
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,080
No, I remember you freaked the
shit out of me.

807
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,280
I don't think I slept that
night.

808
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,120
That that in the in our my, my,
my, my pizza barometer.

809
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's a famous thing for those

810
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,720
that don't know the the the
there's this this kind of joking

811
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,280
thing we call the pizza
barometer and it's around the

812
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Pentagon and Langley, Virginia,
for obvious reasons.

813
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,920
A few other areas.
FBI this, this the second we,

814
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,160
you can go on Google and if you
ever do a Google search for a

815
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,080
restaurant or anything, one of
the cool features that Google

816
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,560
has had for many years is it
shows you that the time of day

817
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,320
and when it's a busy spike is
happening at that particular

818
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,840
restaurant or location.
And it's, it's just a great way

819
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,960
to they're like, all right, I'll
go there on an off hour because

820
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,520
it's going to be too busy when I
get there.

821
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,120
But we'll follow those for
various Papa John's and Domino's

822
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,840
and things around the Beltway
area of all of these major

823
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,960
locations, because when they
spike right before there's

824
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,400
tension, you can guarantee that
there's going to be some.

825
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,040
Geopolitical big long meetings
happening and and something's

826
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,920
going down.
Ironically, you started

827
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,160
following this Yeah, years ago
when the CIA had removed the hot

828
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
dog vending machine from the the
basement.

829
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Right.
That's incredible.

830
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,080
They had that there as a sort of
like, you know, supplement thing

831
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,280
when the the commissary was
closed and when that was taken

832
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,600
away, it was immediately all
right, send the interns out to

833
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,680
get pizza because everyone got
to have a long night because

834
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,680
we're going after.
So, so, you know, I was

835
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,440
concerned like everyone was, you
know, we're going to be starting

836
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,760
World War 30.
No, Trump finally has lost it or

837
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,280
whatever it was, right.
And so they send these planes in

838
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,640
secrecy rather long distance.
I think it's what, 1415 hours?

839
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,840
One way or something?
Yeah.

840
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,720
And so they go there.
They sneak into this country

841
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,720
who's obviously paying attention
to their airspace at this point

842
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,200
because of their war with
Israel.

843
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,160
They sneak these B52 bombers in,
what was it, 7 of them, right?

844
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:28,520
And they drop these huge MO PS,
which you can probably explain

845
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,760
better.
They drop these huge bombs,

846
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,480
incredibly precise.
Like I looked at all those

847
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,480
satellite shots and, you know,
these tiny little holes with

848
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,440
multiple bombs going into them,
you know, it was just insane.

849
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,400
And then they get back out and
they're completely undetected.

850
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,600
No planes ever left the ground
in Iran.

851
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,520
And no surface to air missiles
ever went up from the ground in

852
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,080
Iran.
They left and they got back home

853
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,520
safely within 30 something
hours.

854
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,840
And, you know, Iran had been
completely, basically

855
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,000
obliterated from a nuclear
standpoint.

856
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,520
And I know there's arguments to
that, but it appears reasonable

857
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,600
arguments to it.
Yeah, it appears they've been

858
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,600
well damaged.
And so that kind of stuff just

859
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,080
blows my mind.
Like I'm just glad I'm on that

860
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,560
side of the thing.
You know, with that kind of

861
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,320
technology, it pays to.
Be a winner as we say.

862
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,120
And you, you obviously you want
to be on, on the, the winning

863
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,560
side.
Yeah, I mean, the technology, I

864
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,840
don't, I don't think people
really understand how advanced

865
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:41,000
the the OR at any given time.
Our military technology is 20

866
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,640
years ahead of what you think it
is.

867
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,400
And that the these things, when
you're talking about anything,

868
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,640
anything with the name Stealth
on it, this is a very select

869
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,960
group of people in the world
that get to know the reality of

870
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,280
what that thing does.
You know, you know, you you

871
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,920
think it's tight lips that they
pulled this off it.

872
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,040
You try to talk about that stuff
with anybody and you're.

873
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Not getting an answer no.
It's, you know, most of these

874
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,320
people aren't allowed to live in
areas where they can come into

875
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,200
contact with people, even talk
about it.

876
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,680
You're really compartmentalized
when you're dealing with that

877
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,680
type of technology.
There was a joke many years ago

878
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,680
in the the SEAL Team community,
because, you know, nowadays

879
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,400
everybody knows what the hell
Davy Seals are because every

880
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,000
single one of them seems to
write a book.

881
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,120
Or they have podcasts.
Like a podcast and it's it's,

882
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,080
you know, it's they're the
celebrity thing.

883
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:44,760
SEAL Team 2 is hosts SEAL
delivery team vehicle 2 S DVT2.

884
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,400
They're based out of Hawaii and
Honolulu and they're the mini

885
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,400
sub guys.
They're the, they're the real

886
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,760
fraud man that you know, you
think of Navy Seals and it's

887
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,400
like, OK, you they sea air
lands.

888
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,040
They, they jump out of planes.
They land in the water, they

889
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,760
swim under the water.
They then I'm going to land.

890
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,960
They go to fight the STV guys
when, when you're not redeployed

891
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,360
to do a bunch of land stuff,
you're, you're just working

892
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,080
with, with the mini sub program
and everything that has to do

893
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,880
with that.
So these mini Subs are deployed

894
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,480
for nuclear submarines on the,
on the backs of them.

895
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,040
They, they, they, they've got a,
a special compartment that

896
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,320
houses that.
So the sub gets into the general

897
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
region.
Then you release the mini sub.

898
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,520
The mini sub goes takes the main
team to the objective point and

899
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,960
so on it it's it's literally a
vehicle to deliver a team to

900
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,000
something that you use them
largely for oil platforms curing

901
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,440
clearly because you can get
right up to the platform and

902
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,120
send the team.
Right.

903
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,200
So is it just a little sub with
like a bench on each side and.

904
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,520
It's wildly uncomfortable.
Yes.

905
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,000
Yeah.
Having been in there, yeah,

906
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,160
They're cold, they're dark.
If you, if you're in, if you're

907
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,360
really working in them, you're
in them for up to 810 hours

908
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,160
underwater, you know you're
dealing with the edges of

909
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,200
hypothermia, you know you're
changing from what's just dry

910
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,560
suits.
And there's a lot to it.

911
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,200
The the joke was if you want to
know what Seal Team 6 is doing,

912
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:17,120
just ask them.
If you want to know what Seal

913
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,040
Delivery Team Vehicle 2 is
doing, you're never going to

914
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:27,160
find out because it's.
That community is so tight knit

915
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,920
and so tight lipped about
everything they do.

916
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,920
And what freaked me out was the
ChatGPT thing.

917
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,560
Originally you had turned beyond
to trying ChatGPT, which when it

918
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,120
first came out, I was, I was
very much against because there

919
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,600
was there was lots of issues
with it.

920
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,040
There were compromises to it.
There was there, there were

921
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,160
reasons within government was
not using it.

922
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Yeah, it was not loaded on
anybody's phones or anything

923
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,200
like that.
By the way, all of those

924
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,480
challenges are still real.
Yeah, very much so.

925
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,160
Yeah.
And I remember I was actually

926
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,600
with Patrick Whalen Waylon, who
says hello, by the way.

927
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,760
I was just on the phone with him
before we started taping.

928
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,960
We were, we were backstage at
the Hollywood Palladium.

929
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,120
And he was like, oh, you got to
check this out.

930
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,360
This thing's the greatest.
You know, I'm like he says, oh,

931
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,400
you can ask it anything.
I said, can you ask it anything?

932
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,680
Yeah, Yeah.
I watch and he hands it to me

933
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,480
and tits the the app.
And I says, ask it anything you

934
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,360
want.
And I asked it for classified

935
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:37,960
information about the operation
of a specific component in a

936
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,360
very specific mini submarine.
OK, it spit it all out.

937
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,600
No way.
I handed the phone back to.

938
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,920
I said, wow, get that shit off
your phone right now first

939
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,880
delete that.
But that's, that's a problem

940
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:58,280
because that means it has access
tunneling into things that are,

941
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,160
are, are, are not air gapped
computers within the government.

942
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,240
So you, you talk about the
problems with that stuff.

943
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:08,560
It, it, they are very real and
it, it can tunnel into things

944
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,600
that, you know, and I'm asking a
app on a phone, you know, I'm,

945
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,800
I'm not a hacker that knows how
to really get into things.

946
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,160
So that stuff is is quite
terrifying and but it goes into

947
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,800
the larger discussion of your,
your devices, your personal

948
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,240
devices that are compromised by
these apps and the things that.

949
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Are well, just think, as far as
Facebook, you know, how much

950
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,040
information have you fed to Meta
just through your Facebook

951
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,120
stories and stuff?
Yeah, voluntarily.

952
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,920
You've agreed to it when you
signed up for this free social

953
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,200
media thing and people complain
about it to get off of it.

954
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,040
You know, if, if you're really
concerned, then don't post

955
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,360
anything on social media.
If you do, know that it's going

956
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,400
to be searchable and and you
know, people will be able to

957
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,800
discover that information for
the rest of time and use it

958
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,760
however they want.
And there's all kinds of

959
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,040
copyright issues taking place
right now.

960
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,520
And ChatGPT is getting sued
again.

961
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,040
And, you know, so, yeah, I mean,
it's challenging.

962
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,040
It's a challenging, it's a
challenging technology, it's a

963
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,240
challenging discussion.
But going back to that, the

964
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:21,240
concept of the, you know, these
bombers coming at and the

965
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:27,960
secrecy of all of that, that the
technology is science fiction.

966
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,920
It, it really is, you know, we,
we can go into anything

967
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,120
completely undetected.
We, we did it with the bin Laden

968
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,040
raid.
We've done it way before all of

969
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,640
this.
But the bin Laden raid, I think

970
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,400
was one of the, the, the, the
more recent uses of stealth

971
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,600
technology where we were using
the a, a, a top secret

972
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,680
completely it, it had never left
Area 51.

973
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,120
Those helicopters, they're the
stealth helicopters that were

974
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,360
used.
They, they were radar

975
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,120
deflective.
They were a significantly

976
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,880
quieter rotation of the blades,
which is, which in and of itself

977
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,680
is a technological masterpiece.
And then you've got guys from

978
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,720
the, the 160th SOAR who were
the, the, the, the, the, the

979
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:20,360
tier one teams that handle all
aviation for support of seals

980
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,000
and dev crew and Delta force
and, and top tier missions like

981
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,200
that.
So those are the only guys that

982
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,840
are allowed to touch this stuff
and act in any train with it.

983
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,000
Then use they immediately use it
on a mission in the bin Laden

984
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,840
raid.
One of them had a failure and

985
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,120
they had to literally blow the
thing up there to to keep the

986
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,680
classified stuff as intact.
I saw the movie.

987
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,600
I know, but that's what exposed
it all to the world, because had

988
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,320
that not happened, you still
would not know that that

989
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,200
helicopter exists.
Yeah.

990
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,400
You know, it's because a bunch
of standings took pictures of

991
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,320
the damn thing.
Yeah, obediently on the news.

992
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,680
Everybody was standing there
going, what the hell is this

993
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,320
weird octagonal looking
helicopter?

994
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,120
This thing looks like a
spaceship.

995
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,000
Yeah, you know, it's like, well,
jig is up.

996
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,440
I guess we got to admit to this
one.

997
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,040
But at least we blew up.
All the Yeah, but again, you're

998
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,920
right, like the ultimate in
secrecy.

999
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,960
And and it's amazing in this day
and age that they can still do

1000
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,720
that because media is Everything
Everywhere.

1001
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,800
Everybody has a cell phone, la,
la, la.

1002
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,480
You know, it's hard to hide
anything these days.

1003
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Very much so.
And and it's also why you have

1004
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,440
the concept of open secrets.
You know, it's the big things

1005
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,400
like we we famously here at
Vegas, right at the airport.

1006
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,560
Every time you fly into Vegas,
you get a chance to see it.

1007
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Yeah.
The hangar at the ends called

1008
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,800
Janet, which stands for just
another non existent terminal.

1009
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,280
Yeah, that's the it's, it's,
it's really nothing more than

1010
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,200
the taxi service that takes all
the workers up to Area 51 and it

1011
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,360
just goes back and forth.
Remember you told me about that

1012
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,080
years ago?
You were the first person who

1013
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,880
keep really into that.
Yeah, I was like, what?

1014
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,240
Totally known thing.
So then I looked out because I

1015
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,520
didn't have a view of the strip
that week, and I looked out the

1016
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,240
my window, which looked at the
airstrip and I was like, God

1017
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,520
damn, there are those planes.
You know, I saw one of them

1018
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,120
taken off or something so.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's wild, but

1019
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,800
that's, you know, you have the
open secret of that.

1020
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,160
So it's one of those like, hey,
listen, at some point you can't

1021
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,360
hide things.
So we're just going to secure it

1022
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,280
and limit the access.
And you know, like, like try to

1023
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,080
drive up to the gate and talk to
somebody in their car as they

1024
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,920
exit.
That's not going to go well.

1025
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,600
Guards are going to bum rush you
and make sure you're not

1026
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,440
following that license plate
home and things like that.

1027
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,720
You know, that's they're very
protective of that.

1028
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,360
But that's why you take a plane
to work each day and they, you

1029
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,920
know, you, you do a 45 minute
flight and you're in the middle

1030
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,920
of nowhere, Nevada, you know,
Groom Lake and all the,

1031
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,000
everything else around it.
You've got the, the experiment,

1032
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,000
national Nuclear expression
experimentation bombing range up

1033
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,560
there.
It's, it's where we're testing

1034
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,480
everything.
But then you've got this super

1035
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,920
secretive section and that's
they do the development of all

1036
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,400
of these things.
And it's also why, you know,

1037
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,160
people are always saying this
UFOs up there and their housing.

1038
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Well, it's well, yeah, people,
people that are way out in the

1039
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,680
middle of nowhere.
You're going to fly a plane

1040
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,280
around, you're going to see it
for 100 miles at some point.

1041
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,440
And at some point it's going to
look a little freaky.

1042
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,440
Some of these technology looks
like UFOs.

1043
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,920
You see a giant triangle shaped
thing.

1044
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,120
I mean, it's it was another meme
the other day of, you know,

1045
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,240
everybody's gangster until the
sky starts losing pixels.

1046
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,440
But it was perfect shot of a
stealth fighter from below.

1047
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,480
And it really looks like a video
wall on the sky that's been

1048
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,080
dropped out.
You know, it's jet black.

1049
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,520
You know, the layman that knows
nothing about this stuff sees

1050
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,200
this.
It's science fiction.

1051
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,440
I mean, it's like, no, they got
UFOs up there, man.

1052
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,720
I'm telling you, it's like,
well, not really, but we got

1053
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,600
some cool stuff.
So we have this technology and

1054
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,040
it can go in and the more the,
the more impressive stuff is

1055
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,640
what you said that.
To pinpoint accuracy of this and

1056
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:12,000
this is where tons of ethical
implications of how I I say this

1057
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:18,320
but this is where technology is
great for war because what it is

1058
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:23,640
doing is it's we we're we're
actively utilizing technology to

1059
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:30,240
minimize civilian impact and
they the the.

1060
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,000
We are, we are, but the bad guys
are doing the opposite.

1061
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,840
Yeah, to some degree, not
everybody would guess, but

1062
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,240
famously during the first Trump
administration where there was

1063
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,720
the assassination of General
Soleimani in Iran, which started

1064
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,440
a lot of this, this nonsense.
Excuse me.

1065
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,000
He, he, he, a lot of people, I,
I think took umbrage to the, the

1066
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,680
action of all of that.
But the reality was that that

1067
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:03,200
guy had been actively planning
to attack the West and attack

1068
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,160
military personnel and things.
And, and, and that had become

1069
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,760
apparent with intelligence
chatter and things that they had

1070
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,280
found out.
So there was a very specific

1071
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,200
reason why they needed to
basically, you know, cut the

1072
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,840
head off of that snake by taking
him out.

1073
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,480
And they utilized a, a, a new, I
believe it's a Hellfire missile,

1074
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,480
the AGM one 34127.
But, but it's it's it's called

1075
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,280
the Ginsu missile.
So there's no explosive in the

1076
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,560
missile.
It's giant sharpened blades.

1077
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,000
So the first thing that happens
is there's no collateral

1078
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,880
explosion other than the vehicle
may catch on fire and they

1079
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:47,240
pinpoint accurately hit this
thing with 100 giant knives that

1080
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,320
slash through this vehicle and
the.

1081
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,320
Inhabitants and the occupants.
And take it all out, it drops

1082
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,080
all, it's fluid and everything.
Everything just stops dead

1083
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,120
there.
But there's no explosion.

1084
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,200
So we didn't, you know, we
didn't take out a hospital or a

1085
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,480
school next to it or.
And so that's where the

1086
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,200
technology of war is becoming a
lot better because they're able

1087
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,120
to utilize this kind of stuff to
get right.

1088
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,200
It's.
And that's where these bombs

1089
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,880
going in.
Yeah, we're great because we

1090
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,960
were able to do this.
Nobody saw it.

1091
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,160
We're in and out completely
undetected.

1092
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,880
We dropped these things.
They hit those marks with

1093
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,960
pinpoint accuracy.
Now, of course, the next thing

1094
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,720
is, well, how much damage does
it really do and how do you

1095
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,600
assess that?
And yes, there's a million

1096
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,640
questions to that.
But again, the part I love is,

1097
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,040
he said.
You know, here's the rules.

1098
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,120
You know, you got 60 days to
comply.

1099
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,240
At the end of the 60 days, he
acted.

1100
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,280
He went right back to them after
acting and said, OK, we're not

1101
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,520
going to do anything else.
We're not looking for regime

1102
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,480
change.
We're not looking to, you know,

1103
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,800
kill your people or anything.
In fact, we love your people.

1104
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,400
We love and appreciate your
people.

1105
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,120
Yeah.
So now let's talk.

1106
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,360
Now let's be friends.
You know, we we love Iran.

1107
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,520
Let's be friends.
And.

1108
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,200
Well, that's, this is the other
part of this that most people

1109
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,960
don't wants to take into account
because of their their, their

1110
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:19,160
personal beliefs of things that
sends a massive message.

1111
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,760
And I mean, what sends a massive
message is just so you

1112
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,320
understand what just happened to
you.

1113
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:33,240
We came in and not a single bit
of your air defense system for

1114
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,160
your big fancy expenditure did
anything about it.

1115
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:42,320
We came and we left and you were
raped in the middle of the

1116
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:47,200
night. 420,000 lbs of of just
that one type.

1117
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,920
Yeah, that was just the mops.
That wasn't even the the

1118
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,760
missiles that came out of the
Yeah.

1119
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,800
So it's like we did all of this.
This was a Friday night.

1120
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,880
Now, do you want to still fuck
around or would you like to talk

1121
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,560
now?
Because if, if we really want to

1122
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,080
show you what we can do, you
know, and it's the other part

1123
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:15,520
of, of proportional defense
spending, you know, America

1124
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,680
spends a disgusting amount of
money of taxpayer dollars on

1125
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,160
defense.
Where is it proportionally?

1126
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,200
Well, you, you look at a chart
of all the countries and just

1127
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:32,440
aircraft alone, I think Russia
maxes out at something like 4300

1128
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,160
and something or wherever,
right?

1129
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,680
They're the top.
Tier and we're like 15,000. 15 I

1130
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:42,200
mean, it's an exponential jump.
I mean, it's not even.

1131
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,680
Remotely freaking close in most
countries like France and

1132
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,840
Germany and stuff, they're like
3 or 405 hundred.

1133
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,560
They're in.
I think they're in the 18102.

1134
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,400
1000, they were all small
numbers comparatively, you know,

1135
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,760
but, but take America.
Take America.

1136
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Out of it, yeah.
And everybody's pretty, pretty

1137
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,720
equal for the most part.
And then you hit China gets a

1138
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,960
big bump and then Russia gets a
big bump.

1139
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,840
And then the US is like like.
Yeah, yeah, I saw that graphic.

1140
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,000
That was pretty cool.
You know, it, it's, it does send

1141
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,120
a message from a geopolitical
standpoint, you know, you're,

1142
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,880
you're always, you know, any
presidential administration to

1143
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,720
talk about, you know, your,
your, your three options.

1144
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,000
And the very first option is
diplomacy.

1145
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,120
You want to solve this with
diplomacy.

1146
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:34,760
Then there's war now and, and no
one ever wants to go to war.

1147
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,360
And then in the, in the sort of
espionage community, that's what

1148
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,320
they call Tertia optio, which is
the, the third option.

1149
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,960
That's the, that's the
president's clandestine options

1150
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,080
of doing paramilitary work and,
you know, secretive work.

1151
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,680
That's, that's deniable and you
know, things like that.

1152
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,600
But, but, but the very first
thing you always try to do is

1153
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,280
diplomacy.
And sometimes you have to use

1154
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:04,240
some of the third option to get
back to the first.

1155
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,440
And so we do this because we, we
tried the first, We gave you 60

1156
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,720
days.
We got to hit you with this to

1157
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,120
remind you who the hell you're
talking to.

1158
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,040
We're not messing around here.
We gave you a deadline.

1159
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,440
You have to discuss.
It can't be ignored and now it's

1160
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,680
OK.
Now maybe we want to talk.

1161
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,360
I don't care which president did
it.

1162
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,240
Like obviously it to me it
doesn't matter.

1163
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,680
Like you shouldn't the right
side of the fence you're on.

1164
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,240
Because you could talk about
Obama.

1165
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,560
He dropped the most drone bombs,
right?

1166
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,040
The drone.
Program and Bush.

1167
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,200
Bush was a bit of a war monger,
you know.

1168
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,240
Outrageous.
Yeah, so.

1169
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,680
I mean, nobody's good at it.
Yeah, it's not Republican,

1170
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,800
Democrat, blue, red, I don't
care.

1171
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,360
Like, you know, I think you and
I are probably very similar in

1172
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,840
the Schwinger.
Part of the same bird.

1173
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,240
I'm fairly libertarian, you
know, because I still have the

1174
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,320
Canadian liberal in me.
You know, I want everybody to

1175
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,000
prosper.
I want everyone to do well.

1176
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,120
I don't want to trip over sick,
dying people.

1177
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,640
But at the same time, you know,
small government and all those

1178
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,880
other things, right?
So yeah, anyways, I just thought

1179
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,880
it was really impressive.
I was looking forward to hear

1180
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,200
that from you.
So I appreciate you filling in

1181
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,240
the blanks.
But I want to get back into some

1182
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,000
production stuff because, number
one, you've been very active,

1183
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,920
you've done some cool things.
You know, whenever you do

1184
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,080
something with Whalen, I usually
get about a 10:00 PM call with

1185
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,800
the two of you on it.
Which will be happening in

1186
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,560
another month or so.
Anytime I hear FaceTime ring and

1187
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,800
I see it's one of your phones,
I'm I know I'm about to get both

1188
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,200
of you full blast.
So I appreciate that.

1189
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:39,280
It's always fun.
So first of all, state of the

1190
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,960
industry, where do you think
we're at right now from a

1191
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:47,800
standpoint of the production,
live events, the gear world,

1192
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,680
like just that whole package?
It's a mess.

1193
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,280
It's really, it is.
It's a really, really, really

1194
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,440
weird time.
I don't think any of us really

1195
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,920
saw this coming.
This, this summer's dead, the,

1196
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:09,360
the everything going into the
summer and, and summer is

1197
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,120
usually a big concert touring
season and there's, there's lots

1198
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,840
of events and festivals and
things and, and that the

1199
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,960
standard stuff is still going
on.

1200
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,439
You know, that the, the yearly
legacy stuff is happening.

1201
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,359
There's very little new stuff
that's popping up.

1202
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:24,960
There's a few here and there is,
there are exceptions to the the

1203
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,359
rule, but it is absolutely not
on mass like we normally have.

1204
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,760
And quite frankly, I haven't
seen or I, I, I haven't had so

1205
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:43,160
many people hitting me up since
coming out of the pandemic or,

1206
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,040
you know, when the pandemic was
loosening that I have now

1207
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,720
saying.
Hitting hey for work.

1208
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,800
I'm available just.
So you know, you know,

1209
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:54,479
interesting.
It was wild because we had a

1210
01:08:54,479 --> 01:09:00,920
point in early May, I think
April, May.

1211
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:06,760
I had a bunch of projects that I
was needing to staff and I was

1212
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,720
hitting people up for stuff and
I was just getting turned down

1213
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,800
left and right.
Everybody was already gobbled

1214
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,840
up.
And you know, and of course

1215
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,960
everybody was bummed because
they were like, oh man, we'd

1216
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,640
love to come to your job because
everybody seems to have a fun

1217
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,600
time and get paid really well.
But they said, no, I'm already

1218
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,720
booked in it within three weeks.
All of those, all of those

1219
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,560
people call me back saying, hey,
just want to let you know if

1220
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,520
that gig's still available.
My stuff got cancelled.

1221
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,120
Interesting there were.
Cancellations like crazy.

1222
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,240
But is this mostly like
corporates and stuff or is this

1223
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:45,120
oh, so it was?
It was a a solid mix across.

1224
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,160
Interesting.
I'm seeing it again a little bit

1225
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:54,360
for September the, the fall
season, which which goes back to

1226
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,920
the change of administration and
the whole tariff thing.

1227
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:05,600
So particularly on the corporate
stuff, corporate shows where I,

1228
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,280
I, I want to be careful how I
phrase it.

1229
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,800
I want to, I'm not going to say
the name of the the company, but

1230
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:17,840
this is a company that sells a
lot of small products primarily

1231
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,400
to females.
And the majority of the product

1232
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,000
is, is made in China, obviously
for manufacturing reasons of

1233
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,680
mass production.
And we traditionally do a very

1234
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:34,960
large event for them in this
September time frame.

1235
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,520
They were all geared up to go.
The tariff thing happened and I

1236
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,080
got the heads up going, hey,
we'll just let you know.

1237
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,720
They released the hold on the
venue and I went, wow, that's

1238
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,480
it, that I don't say anything
else, this gig's done.

1239
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,640
But no, no, no, they've still
got cap expenditure devoted to

1240
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,120
that marketing budget.
So they're going to do

1241
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,960
something, but they don't know
what they're going to do just

1242
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:01,320
yet.
But we're just letting you know,

1243
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,200
they don't think they're going
to do this because this thing is

1244
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,440
like a massive Expo of showing
off all of this product.

1245
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,960
And they said they don't know
what the costs are going to be

1246
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,200
for this stuff coming in because
of all the check the tariff

1247
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,880
stuff, the tower stuff took so
long to kind of get, but it's

1248
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,120
still not done.
But it's, it's certainly

1249
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,400
mellowed out significantly, or
at least people know what

1250
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,160
they're dealing with.
But now we're too close to for

1251
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,120
them to put on that event.
So they're they're still totally

1252
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:36,120
in limbo and, and and this is
the next the next problem to it

1253
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,000
is dealing with corporate
America for those types of well,

1254
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,320
really it's it's it, it's not
just corporate shows, it's it's

1255
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,760
everything.
It doesn't matter if you're

1256
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:50,080
dealing with the a big brand
agency that's doing something

1257
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,760
for a, a computer launch or
you're dealing with Live Nation

1258
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,640
for a, a concert.
The the corporate structure of

1259
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:02,160
things gets so bureaucratic and
convoluted that people have to

1260
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,320
protect themselves and the
company.

1261
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,080
They just, they just cut it off
and say Nope, sorry, we'll hold

1262
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,480
the money.
But it's interesting because I

1263
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:12,560
had AI recently had a
conversation with someone from

1264
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,000
Live Nation and I asked him a
similar question.

1265
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,160
What do you think the state of
live events is right now?

1266
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,760
And he said, oh, it's amazing.
It's going to be huge this year.

1267
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,120
We're going to have a massive
year.

1268
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,880
And but I mean, you know,
they're bias.

1269
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,000
Not yearly.
No, that was this year.

1270
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,120
That was about a month.
Ago.

1271
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,640
Earlier a month ago.
Yeah.

1272
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,800
And he said, you know, I said,
well, you know, you own the

1273
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,520
stadiums, you own the ACT, you
own the ticketing.

1274
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,480
You know, you, you basically, of
course you're going to do well,

1275
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,720
you know, like everyone's in a
stadium.

1276
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,600
If everyone's in a stadium this
year, you know, and I think for

1277
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,000
the next couple of years,
stadiums are still going to be

1278
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,960
very, very big and.
But it's a slightly misleading

1279
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,120
conversation because what I'd
what I'd like to do is hear from

1280
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:03,920
him back in December telling me
about the summer, right?

1281
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,600
Because.
Because the fall is.

1282
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,560
Exploding, I'll let you finish
real quick, let me finish real

1283
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,280
quick.
So he said, He said if you're

1284
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,480
doing stadiums, it's going to be
a great year.

1285
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,080
Arenas we're seeing drop off.
There you go.

1286
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,680
And so how many?
Stadiums are there versus

1287
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,360
arenas.
Yeah, I mean, it's just how

1288
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:24,880
many?
How many?

1289
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,920
People in this industry have
gone on a stadium tour versus

1290
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,120
how many people have never done
stadiums, they've only done

1291
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,400
arenas.
Because that's a, that's a

1292
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,920
legitimate question depending on
where you're at in your career.

1293
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,920
So there's a.
Lot of people out of work.

1294
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:42,680
You remember pre COVID there
there would be 1 stadium like in

1295
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,400
your town whatever town it was.
Maybe Vegas is a little

1296
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,840
different, but in South Florida
where I am in Miami ish, you

1297
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,880
know, you might get one show a
year in a stadium, maybe 2 you

1298
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,400
know, and that would be like 1
would be Taylor Swift and the

1299
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,360
other one would be Coldplay or
The Rolling Stones or something

1300
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:01,680
right?
And that's about it.

1301
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,400
Like an even Coldplay was only a
recent phenomenon.

1302
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,400
You know, it used to just be the
stones and you know, if Led

1303
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,280
Zeppelin got back together or
something that was about it in

1304
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,720
stadiums.
Now you've got Olivia Rodrigo or

1305
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,280
whatever her name is and and.
No, she did it.

1306
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,040
She exploded and and they were
certainly willing to put the

1307
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,720
money behind it to create a
spectacle.

1308
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,080
Yeah, it's a great show from
what I've seen.

1309
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:31,080
But I mean, just lots of those
like weekend and and what's her

1310
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,320
name, the Shakira and Beyoncé
and all these things out in in

1311
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,360
stadiums.
But really big names.

1312
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,040
But I don't see the Killers do
it in an arena tour.

1313
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,840
Yeah.
You know, sorry, you can throw

1314
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,880
any big name out there.
Sorry, when's Beyoncé ever going

1315
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,440
to do a small show again?
It ain't never happening.

1316
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:57,560
She could never stop touring.
The fan base is rabid.

1317
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:58,920
So yeah, you're going to get
that.

1318
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,560
The post Malone's it.
Like there are definitely these

1319
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,400
names that are are out there.
So I think live nations are very

1320
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,760
smart in that regard.
You know, all right, great.

1321
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,720
If if arenas are going to suck
wind, we're probably not going

1322
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,680
to have to put a lot of money
into that market segment.

1323
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,080
Let's put that expenditure and
really go heavy on big

1324
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,560
spectacles.
We could put more assets in

1325
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,320
seats.
You can recoup lot more of the

1326
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:26,440
the cash on that and your
concessions and things like

1327
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:28,880
that.
You know, there's, there's a lot

1328
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,440
to it where that's a smart
maneuver, but it doesn't change

1329
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:35,560
the fact that there's major
problems at the the sub level to

1330
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,040
that.
So yeah, they're going to have a

1331
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,800
great year.
I think they're they're still

1332
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,480
going to maintain the profit
margin and and do really well,

1333
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,640
but.
I've seen a similar, similar

1334
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,080
problem in companies and I don't
know if you have a lot of

1335
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,240
friends in in these smaller
rental companies, but like the

1336
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,040
small companies that are 5
million or or sub 5 million

1337
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,320
rental companies and the largest
rental companies seem to be

1338
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,360
hurting the most.
The ones in the middle are all

1339
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,880
prospering pretty well right
now.

1340
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,880
Most of them, you know, the the
25 to $75 million companies are

1341
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,280
doing pretty damn well right
now.

1342
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,320
But the, you know, the PRG 4
wall, the largest ones and the

1343
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,880
smallest ones are struggling to
to make a profit.

1344
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,840
Yeah.
And I think that a lot of that

1345
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,800
has to do with aggressive
pricing.

1346
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,480
I almost all have those mid
range companies.

1347
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,160
I think from what I've seen,
because I've, I've, I've been in

1348
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,880
positions where I've had to send
quotes to, you know, get

1349
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,040
competitive quotes from things.
Excuse me.

1350
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,840
And I've had mid range companies
come in wildly aggressive, like

1351
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,320
they, they're really hungry for
that.

1352
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,160
And you know, at the end of the
day, if you know, smart business

1353
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,400
owners were going to look at it
and go, an empty warehouse is a

1354
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,920
happy warehouse.
So if I've got stuff just

1355
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,960
sitting here.
Yes and no yes and no.

1356
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:58,360
You know, the the flip side of
that is is you know, you end up

1357
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,920
at the end of the year losing
money.

1358
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,920
You know, you just look at your
books and you go, OK, I didn't

1359
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,280
make any money this year and I
don't know what I'm going to do

1360
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,200
because now I need new money for
new gear next year and I need

1361
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,120
all this stuff and I'm.
Perhaps, but it at the very

1362
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,200
least, what you haven't done is
had to get rid of staff.

1363
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,560
You know, even if you're doing a
job, if if that gear is sitting

1364
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,320
there doing nothing this
weekend, I mean literally

1365
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,360
nothing and I'm in danger of not
being able to make payroll at

1366
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,320
the end of this month if I get
those guys out the door, then

1367
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:32,080
yeah, OK, that's but you're
also.

1368
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,480
Setting a precedent.
You're setting a precedent

1369
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,960
because what's happening is the
price to do a show, and this is

1370
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,320
from what I'm being told.
I don't know anything so I'm

1371
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,160
just passing on information, but
the price to do a show is being

1372
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,440
squeezed back down to like 2019
prices.

1373
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,680
Outrageous.
But the cost of doing a show is

1374
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,440
much higher.
So you're paying more for labor,

1375
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:55,880
more for trucking, more for your
warehouse space, more for the

1376
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,640
gear, yet you're doing the show
for the same price.

1377
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,840
I'm not saying it's money
making.

1378
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,280
Yeah, I'm saying it's
potentially not a shop closer

1379
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,240
and that's it's a it's a shitty
position to be in.

1380
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,360
I don't envy it and I don't.
I've seen some.

1381
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,800
Shops closing, you know, again,
the sub 5 million especially

1382
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,520
like the the smallest of the
companies who are doing, you

1383
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,120
know, the smaller shows,
etcetera.

1384
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,960
They're they're struggling the
most right now.

1385
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,640
Well, a lot of the work just
isn't there.

1386
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:25,200
You know, the, the, the quantity
of events has gone down

1387
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,880
significantly and you know,
there's, there are a lot of

1388
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,720
factors.
Unfortunately, there are a lot

1389
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,680
of factors because it's, it's
not something that you can

1390
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,400
pinpoint and say, OK, I
understand it.

1391
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,000
And it's only affecting a small
segment of the industry.

1392
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:40,720
You know, there are lots of
factors.

1393
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,960
So you've got tariffs affecting
things, you've got the general

1394
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:47,680
economy.
You know, we, we just came out

1395
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,040
of, you know, whether you want
to face the reality or not, the,

1396
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,200
the, the, the freaking price of
eggs and gas and all the other

1397
01:18:55,200 --> 01:19:00,040
crap was so astronomically high
for the longest time.

1398
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,920
And it's wonderful that they've
come down significantly now.

1399
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,160
But that's not an instantaneous
fix.

1400
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,960
Yeah, the damage been done.
So you got to slow, do the slow

1401
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,240
roll out of it.
So people didn't have the extra

1402
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,120
cash to go and do all of these
other shows.

1403
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,480
They didn't have the cash to buy
the tickets to go these other

1404
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:22,360
shows.
The end of the day, you got to

1405
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,240
remember we're doing this for
the average Joe that's working

1406
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,800
his butt off to then get a
couple of bucks to come and see

1407
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:30,960
his favorite band.
Yeah.

1408
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,160
Yeah.
Now what are you?

1409
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,920
What are you faced with?
Oh, well, I'd love to go see a

1410
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:42,480
smaller level act with my wife.
My 2 teenage daughters want to

1411
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:46,240
go see Beyoncé, too.
I can't afford both.

1412
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:47,680
I'm going to have to make a
decision.

1413
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,960
Yeah.
So mom's going to take them to

1414
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,720
the spectacle.
That ticket price is going to

1415
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,520
end up being, you know, 900
bucks to the three of them.

1416
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,480
Like that's a hard thing for a
typical family to absorb when

1417
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,880
their their cost of living's
been so high for the past two

1418
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,440
years.
So that's going to be a slow

1419
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,360
roll to come.
Back to let me ask you this

1420
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,320
though.
Like as a music fan, which I'm

1421
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,800
less of one now than I've ever
been, but as a music fan, if I'm

1422
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,400
going to go see a band like
let's say Led Zeppelin was to

1423
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,720
reunite for one little series of
shows or whatever, would I

1424
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,960
rather see that in a stadium?
Or first of all, I'd rather see

1425
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,040
it in a theatre than anything.
But it's just mathematically

1426
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,040
impossible.
But I'd rather pay five times as

1427
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,680
much and see it in a theatre
than in a stadium.

1428
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,160
Like stadium shows, to me it is
a spectacle.

1429
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,680
It's like an EDM show.
Like you don't see any artists

1430
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,680
up there 'cause at an EDM show
there are none.

1431
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,520
But you, you, you see a lot of
shit going on, lights and pyro

1432
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,640
and, and you know, stuff.
The production.

1433
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,440
Is the show.
It's incredible.

1434
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:54,600
The production is the show, and
it looks amazing.

1435
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,680
But if I'm really there to see
the band, you know, I don't want

1436
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,480
to see Mick Jagger like, you
know, 100 yards away.

1437
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,200
I want to see him, you know, 50
feet away or whatever, right,

1438
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,600
100 feet away.
That's why we've got.

1439
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,640
Imag baby.
That's why we've got imag.

1440
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,800
I'm just saying it's just me.
Plus the older I get the less I

1441
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,960
want to be around. 75,000 close
friends you know.

1442
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:24,280
So first and foremost, I think
it's very easy for people like

1443
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:28,000
you and I to say things like,
I'd much rather spend more money

1444
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:36,480
to have a different experience.
We are in a a blessed financial

1445
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,000
position with the success that
we have attained over our

1446
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:46,840
careers.
I I have a massive swath of

1447
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:52,920
friends that run every possible
economic that I, I text

1448
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,400
messaging billionaires and
paupers.

1449
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,120
Yeah.
And yeah, when when you are

1450
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:03,880
subjected to that, you you have
to be and and you have attained

1451
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:09,640
some level of success.
You have to be very kind.

1452
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,120
Again, it's probably the theme
that we have for this going

1453
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:17,360
through all this to their
situation and you know, they're

1454
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:22,160
not in a position to say I'd,
I'd rather sure, they they may

1455
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,640
rather spend some extra money,
but they they never could

1456
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,640
because they're just not in a
financial position.

1457
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,040
To do that, yeah.
But stadium seats are more

1458
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,200
expensive than the arena
tickets, you know what I mean?

1459
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,920
Like the average stadium show
because of the because of the

1460
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,920
acts, who they are, but they're
hundreds of dollars.

1461
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,640
You know when you could go see
the same show in an arena for

1462
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:45,320
$100 or 125 or 75 or whatever
the number is, right?

1463
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,440
But.
But that doesn't necessarily

1464
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:51,240
work out on the back end if
you're a Live Nation or

1465
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,520
producer.
Of course, Yeah, yeah.

1466
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,000
So that that's not that doesn't
really factor into the

1467
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,680
conversation.
I just wonder at some point

1468
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:02,560
though, are we over milking the
cow, you know, and like that's

1469
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,680
what it feels like a little bit
like we can keep raising prices.

1470
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,520
No, now we can do what do they
call the pricing.

1471
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,840
Yeah, A, a, a, a surge pricing,
right.

1472
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,720
No, not surge pricing.
The one where if people will pay

1473
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,600
more money, they they basically,
what do they call that pricing?

1474
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,000
I forget what it's called, but
you know, it's the one that that

1475
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,920
produces $5000 Springsteen
tickets and stuff like that.

1476
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,880
Oh well, you're doing like a a
pack like AVIP.

1477
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,320
Pack.
No, no, I forget what it's

1478
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:31,440
called.
I forget what it's called.

1479
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:35,800
It's basically serving people
who will pay more money for it,

1480
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,880
prices that they're willing to
pay and they get up front seats

1481
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,200
or whatever.
And but you know, I don't know,

1482
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,520
I just wonder if we're over
milking the cow and and it's

1483
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,160
going to get sick and and we're
all the ones that are going to

1484
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,680
get.
Well, I think the cow's been

1485
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,080
milked already.
Yeah, I do.

1486
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:52,520
I'm in agreement with that.
And I.

1487
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,920
So on a.
Slide once again, I, I think we

1488
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,800
talked about state of the
industry, state of people's

1489
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:04,160
careers, how you, how you, you
craft and design yourself and

1490
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:09,120
your career just like a stock
portfolio diversification is.

1491
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:14,880
Of course, yeah.
So great, we have less festivals

1492
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,520
happening and some things, you
know, for what we're designing,

1493
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,640
we have our basic stuff that's
yearly and always comes around,

1494
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,800
but the new stuff's not popping
the way it was.

1495
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,840
But other sectors like it's some
of the corporate stuff that is

1496
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,920
going great.
So we're we're very well

1497
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,000
balanced with all of that, you
know, because it's also the

1498
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,120
different types of work,
obviously different types of

1499
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,000
work that you do more chance you
have, you know, of.

1500
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,160
Course, Yeah, yeah, yeah, of
course.

1501
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:45,240
But with with like vendors or
designers who maybe aren't as

1502
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,440
fortunate or are really
struggling during these these

1503
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:53,120
cancellations or pauses or
whatever they are, what do you

1504
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:58,520
tell those people to stay
afloat, to stay a lot to?

1505
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:03,160
Survive and, and it's, it's
always a very hard conversation.

1506
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,000
I had a lot of these hard
conversations during the

1507
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,400
pandemic, more than more than I
ever wanted to.

1508
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,120
Yeah, me too.
There's, there's that famous Is

1509
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:19,880
it Warren Buffett or Charlie
Munger live from Berkshire

1510
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,480
Hathaway?
They said it's when the tide

1511
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:26,440
goes out, that's when you're
going to see who's wearing pants

1512
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:30,080
or not.
And that's what the pandemic did

1513
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,400
to us.
It, it put us, it put people in

1514
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:39,760
a position of exposure.
So one of the first problems I

1515
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,760
was seeing as I was helping with
a lot of people trying to find

1516
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,440
funding and, and navigating the
small business loan thing.

1517
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:54,920
And you know, all of the various
DPP things there were, there

1518
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,920
were unfortunately, as I, I,
thankfully, I was able to help a

1519
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,600
lot of people through that.
But unfortunately there was more

1520
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,960
than a handful that we hit a
wall at some point in the

1521
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,280
process.
And I had to sit them down and

1522
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,680
have a very candid conversation
and just say, I need you to

1523
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,440
level with me because this keeps
getting kicked back.

1524
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:23,440
Where are you with your taxes?
In every one of those instances,

1525
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:25,040
those people didn't pay their
taxes.

1526
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:30,000
And my next question was, OK,
I'm not going to judge you for

1527
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:34,000
that, but I am about to judge
you for my next question.

1528
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:38,000
You did stash that money away,
right?

1529
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,880
Like you didn't just spend it
like that's what your income

1530
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:46,080
was, right?
And in every instance, well, no,

1531
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,080
I just kind of figured, well,
OK, we have a, this exposes a

1532
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:54,720
few extra problems in, in your,
your, your personal business

1533
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,480
career is, you know, a, the tax
man's coming.

1534
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,240
And, and when the shit hits the
fan, like we saw in the

1535
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,880
pandemic, you can't stand there
putting your hand out and

1536
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,520
expecting everything when
everybody else did their part to

1537
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,000
pay in and they're now getting
their hand out.

1538
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,520
And now you just want something
for free.

1539
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,520
So you didn't put into that to
get out of that.

1540
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,680
And that's literally how
taxation of government works.

1541
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,600
Well, doesn't, doesn't that
cover so many things?

1542
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,520
So, so many problems we're
dealing with?

1543
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,720
Like I'm up here at my house in
Canada, and trust me, this is

1544
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,840
the land of that.
You know it.

1545
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,560
You got the givers and the
takers.

1546
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,720
Yeah.
And they don't, they don't meet

1547
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,160
in the middle anywhere.
So.

1548
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,560
And I know it's always a
difficult but political Adsense

1549
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,800
conversation.
Yeah, we'll just expect it.

1550
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,680
And it's like, well, where do
you think it comes from?

1551
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,640
It's like freeze, not actually
free at all.

1552
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,120
Yeah.
But you're touching on something

1553
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,680
though, because you, you've
always been one of those guys

1554
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,560
who said to me, you know, this
is called the music business,

1555
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,280
you know, and it you've always
been more focused on the

1556
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:58,000
business than the art or the
business than the design or

1557
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,120
whatever.
I feel like.

1558
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,040
Yeah, very much.
Or at least equally.

1559
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,600
Focused.
Yeah, yeah, at least equally

1560
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,640
focused.
You've you've paid attention to

1561
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,360
the fact that you need a healthy
business, otherwise you're

1562
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,160
useless to everyone and and.
And you can't, you can't play

1563
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,480
business.
They always joke people.

1564
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:16,600
It goes well, my business, my
business, how many employees

1565
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,560
have?
Oh, no, I say, what payroll

1566
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,880
company are you using?
Because I'm often struggling

1567
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,240
with that with my business.
I'm always looking for a

1568
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,640
different payroll company other
than ADP and I can never really

1569
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,440
find the right fit.
But I always say, what payroll

1570
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:30,080
company are you using?
What do you mean?

1571
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:31,840
Well to pay your place, What
payroll?

1572
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,400
I don't have a payroll company.
You don't have a business.

1573
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:40,960
You're playing business.
You haven't until you have had

1574
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,640
to take out a loan to make
payroll in a struggle.

1575
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:50,680
You haven't really owned a
business and run a business

1576
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,720
properly.
We have an entire industry of

1577
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:57,240
people that are really just one
man freelancers saying that

1578
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,840
they're a business 'cause they
started an LLC.

1579
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,080
And you know, and I'm not, I'm
not saying this to slag it and,

1580
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,120
and, and be a Dick about it.
It's just the reality of what it

1581
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,240
is.
It's a very, very different

1582
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,880
level of stress and operation
and experience.

1583
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,400
And it's going to teach you real
fucking fast that you need to

1584
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:19,360
learn to have shored up
emergency funds for when

1585
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,640
something horrible happens.
Well, I don't know if you know

1586
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,840
Doc McGee, but on my podcast I
remember he said to me, I.

1587
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,160
Don't love Doc McGee?
He said to me, you know, Marcel,

1588
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,480
everybody's a fucking bull rider
until somebody opens the gate,

1589
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,320
you know, and, and that's the
same in business.

1590
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,160
Like I know so many people who
use the word entrepreneur and,

1591
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,400
and I am, I am the epitome of an
entrepreneur.

1592
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,280
I'm always all in.
I'm always like on the edge of

1593
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,640
complete implosion.
I, I'm always stressed to the

1594
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,480
Max.
I'm always like, you know, I'm

1595
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,960
not even a businessman.
I'm an entrepreneur to the

1596
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,920
extreme.
And I act like a startup even

1597
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,760
though I'm, you know, 22 years
into my business, business or

1598
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,840
whatever, right?
So it, it kind of pisses me off

1599
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,880
when people who, who have a job
and a steady paycheck call

1600
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,280
themselves an entrepreneur.
You know, it's like, yeah, you

1601
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,440
know what?
If you had to make decisions

1602
01:30:14,440 --> 01:30:18,560
where you had to sell your car,
your house, your everything, you

1603
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:22,720
have to go all in on an idea,
what would you do?

1604
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,560
I mean it, you know.
It it literally makes me misty

1605
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:26,880
eyed.
Yeah, yeah.

1606
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,400
When?
Someone says that kind of thing

1607
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:29,760
having been there.
Yeah.

1608
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,040
It's, it's hard, Yeah.
And it's brutal, terrifying.

1609
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,960
Yeah.
It, you know, is this is the

1610
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,560
shit that puts people in the
ground early.

1611
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,040
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.

1612
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,200
I, I I.
No, you, you ain't wrong.

1613
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,480
This wasn't.
Genetic.

1614
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,040
Yeah.
Yeah, Well, no.

1615
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,640
It's not genetic.
First time in my life I have

1616
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,160
high blood pressure and it
happened almost instantly and,

1617
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,160
and it was just like one day I
felt kind of weird and I went, I

1618
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,240
went, what the hell is that?
I've never taken medication or

1619
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,920
anything like that.
And I said, you know what it

1620
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,360
feels like?
Like I felt like I had just

1621
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,200
taken speed or something.
I was, I was really shaky and

1622
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,880
stuff and, and I checked my
blood pressure and it was like

1623
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:10,920
168 / 120 or something.
And I was like, oh shit, I

1624
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,360
better let me just breathe and I
can get rid of this.

1625
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,520
And my girlfriend's like, no, we
should go to urgent care.

1626
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,560
And it gets to like 7:30 at
night and urgent care is open

1627
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,840
till late.
And she goes test it one more

1628
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,840
time and I tested it, it was
like 172 over whatever.

1629
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,800
And she goes, we're going.
And so now I'm on frigging blood

1630
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,640
pressure meds.
Well, good.

1631
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,280
I'm not a proponent of of that.
But no, when you're in an

1632
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,040
emergency situation like that,
absolutely.

1633
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:40,360
Oh, but trust me, like every day
I'm doing things to lower my

1634
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,840
blood, blood pressure.
And then I'll, I'll wait a few

1635
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,040
hours later to take the Med and
then I'll test and test and test

1636
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,920
and oh shit, I still got to take
it.

1637
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,000
But you know.
You got to, you got to just

1638
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,320
knock it for a couple of weeks
and then start that.

1639
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got.
To give it a chance.

1640
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,880
Yeah, it's going to kick in.
Well, and especially you got to

1641
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,000
get the stress gone.
You know, I'm launching a new

1642
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,680
business while doing 10 other
things and blah, blah, blah.

1643
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,920
And it's like, you know, you got
to mellow yourself out before

1644
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,120
you start thinking you're going
to get off your blood pressure

1645
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,720
meds.
But point point being, yeah,

1646
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,240
point being what you do what I
do, what all of these business

1647
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,720
owners in our industry are a lot
of them anyways, go through and

1648
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,840
went through during COVID.
And some of them were posers,

1649
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,680
but a lot of them really went
through.

1650
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,320
You talk to people every day,
all day, you help them.

1651
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,560
So did I And you know, that's
that's the real stuff.

1652
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,720
That's where, you know, like I
know a lot of people who worked

1653
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,440
for some of the big moving light
companies or the big audio

1654
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:38,080
companies or whatever and they
got steady paychecks all the way

1655
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,880
through and they were like, you
know, we're here to help each

1656
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,360
other and that kind of thing.
It's not the same.

1657
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,320
I'm sorry.
Like I'm not knocking you for

1658
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,560
having a a killer salary in a
company that can afford to keep

1659
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,720
paying you, but.
It was, it was funny, a

1660
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:56,360
gentleman whose name shall go
unmentioned was was recently let

1661
01:32:56,360 --> 01:33:00,560
go during some some round of
layoffs at one of the big

1662
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:01,800
companies.
Yeah.

1663
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:08,760
And he immediately went on
social media and I at the post

1664
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,320
was something to the effect of,
you know, eight years royal

1665
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,080
service and this is you, you get
a, a three day notice of getting

1666
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,680
shit canned, whatever.
And it, you know, and he called

1667
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,880
me, you know, about stuff.
And I said, Hey, listen, I said,

1668
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,080
you know, there's two ways of
looking at your post that you

1669
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:30,120
put up there.
Did they furlough you in the

1670
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,240
pandemic?
Well, no, I said.

1671
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,120
So you got a steady paycheck
through the pandemic.

1672
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,320
He's like, yeah, I got my full
paycheck through that, all of

1673
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,000
that.
I said yeah.

1674
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,280
Pretty loyal, yeah.
Shut the fuck up.

1675
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:44,520
Just, you know.
Move on things.

1676
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,480
Consider Yeah, it could have
been a year where there's no

1677
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:49,200
work.
There's work now you can be a

1678
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,440
freelancer again, which you were
before this.

1679
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:53,920
Yeah, I was no longer able to
hire you.

1680
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,960
So OK, great, I can hire you
again, but just be a little

1681
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,080
thoughtful of.
OK, yeah, this is very

1682
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,680
unfortunate and I'll put it up
to shock, but I think they were

1683
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,120
pretty fucking loyal for yeah,
24 months of 0 income on.

1684
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,280
Their end it it took me a very
long time in my life to learn to

1685
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:18,360
be humble and and to be, you
know, to believe it or not, like

1686
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,560
I actually can be humble now and
I I'm much more grateful than I

1687
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,520
used to be and I'm much more
just willing to listen to

1688
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,520
people's sad stories and help
people.

1689
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,640
You know, it's like my
girlfriend says to me all the

1690
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,160
time, because I did this AI
thing, I put a post out on

1691
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,200
LinkedIn and I started getting
people calling me, emailing me,

1692
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:42,080
texting me and and booking calls
with me because I said, hey,

1693
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,680
look, you know, AI is coming.
I know most of you who are

1694
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,880
reading this right now have not
even written an e-mail yet with

1695
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,560
AII want to help you.
I got nothing to gain.

1696
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,840
I'm going to give you a half
hour of my time for free and.

1697
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,160
Which is phenomenally generous.
I don't know who the hell does

1698
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,040
this.
My, my, my girlfriend said to

1699
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,360
me, you know you're an idiot,
right?

1700
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:06,680
Like you keep doing this, you
keep giving away all your time,

1701
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,720
and then you wonder why you have
no time to do anything anymore,

1702
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,960
right?
Well, there is that and.

1703
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,200
She's right.
She's right.

1704
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,720
To some degree, but there's also
the spirituality of it.

1705
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,160
But honestly, later in my life,
I just love to help people.

1706
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:22,080
Like I just really love and it,
you know, Kovid really probably

1707
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,680
set that off in a big way for
me.

1708
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,520
I just decided, hey, I know a
lot of people.

1709
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,240
I have a bit of a voice and I
can help some people.

1710
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,840
So I'm going to try my best to
do that, you know, so it, it's

1711
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,960
just I'm, I'm, I'm addicted to
it.

1712
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,720
And by the way, I'm a smart
business guy too.

1713
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,680
So at the end of the day, I'm
going to spin those into

1714
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,120
opportunities.
So by the absolutely, Paul, I'll

1715
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,960
say, well, while we're talking
to about AII want to show you

1716
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,400
this gear share thing that I'm
building, which is built

1717
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:52,080
entirely on AI.
And they're like, wow, that's

1718
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,960
cool.
How do I sign up?

1719
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:55,240
Yeah.
No, it's, I mean, that's

1720
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,440
obviously helping often begets
opportunity.

1721
01:35:58,480 --> 01:35:59,720
Of course.
Yeah, of.

1722
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,720
Course, going back to the
question of, you know, what do

1723
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:03,760
you tell people?
Yeah, yeah, when they're when

1724
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,960
they are, are struggling, you
know, I, I often talk about

1725
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,000
that, you know, the tax
ramification.

1726
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:14,640
Are you saving stuff?
The other thing I ask when it's

1727
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,960
going slow, I what are your
other streams of income?

1728
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:24,760
And this is one of those things
that sadly, I didn't learn until

1729
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,280
much later in life.
I, I wish I had the tutelage

1730
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,600
when I was younger.
And, and it's, it's really

1731
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,040
phenomenal.
I think for the younger

1732
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,000
generation now that they're
seeing so much of it on, on

1733
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,240
social media.
Because if if, whereas I think

1734
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:43,240
there's a lot of bullshit about
it on there, it at least shows

1735
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,480
the that there's an opportunity
for these things and that there

1736
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:51,040
is actual importance, as much as
a lot of it may be a bunch of

1737
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,440
bullshit.
Flex with people that rent

1738
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:56,240
Lamborghinis and you know, make
it look like they own them and

1739
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:57,760
you.
Know rent those?

1740
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,600
People rent someone's private
jet that's sitting on the

1741
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:02,640
runways.
Just look at those.

1742
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,000
Pictures.
Or how about they rent a

1743
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,480
Lamborghini to park it next to
the rented private jet so they

1744
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:10,000
can take Instagram pictures?
Yeah, those are my favorite.

1745
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,720
And then they rent a stripper,
too, so that she can, yeah, be

1746
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,440
honest.
My girlfriend, a Lamborghini.

1747
01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:16,960
Look at all the money I make.
Yeah, so it's this big, but, but

1748
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,840
it, but one of the, the constant
topics is talking about multiple

1749
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,720
streams of income and we, we
don't, they certainly didn't

1750
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,120
teach that stuff when I was a
kid.

1751
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,440
I, I came from, from welfare.
I was a welfare child, you know,

1752
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,520
literally government cheese
tastes like.

1753
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:37,040
So you know, coming from that
upbringing, I, I wasn't around

1754
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,480
financially savvy people.
It's always much later in life

1755
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,880
and was gifted with being around
people and particularly in the

1756
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,640
industry and other industry like
yourself and Jack Kelly from

1757
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,320
Group 1 and people that were
savvy about business.

1758
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:58,320
Bob Gordon taught me so much.
I was so blessed with that and

1759
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,840
to take that knowledge and then
couple it with these concepts, I

1760
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,760
started to learn on my own.
Multiple streams of income.

1761
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,680
What's, what are your other
multiple streams of income?

1762
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,480
What they look at me like I got
lobsters crawling out of my

1763
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:13,520
ears.
And it's like, well, are you

1764
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:18,280
telling me, you know, I, I had
this conversation with somebody

1765
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,760
recently and I'm absolutely not
going to say their name, but it,

1766
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,000
this came up and it was, it was
very much a tough love

1767
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,440
conversation.
And I said, what's your goal in

1768
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:28,440
the for your career?
What are you, what are you

1769
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:29,880
planning?
I said, what do you mean I'm

1770
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:34,800
doing it?
I said, you're at a console

1771
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,760
banging on strobe lights at
front of house.

1772
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:43,000
I did it, I loved it.
I had a great time.

1773
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:47,360
I was doing a lot of other
things while I was doing that.

1774
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,200
You have to remember that you'd
never heard about that because I

1775
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,000
didn't talk about it.
Wasn't any reason to talk about

1776
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,560
it.
But that wasn't my only chop.

1777
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:59,840
So I love that feeling of
standing there.

1778
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,720
You're the one that hits that
button and the flights come up

1779
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:07,040
and the crowd reacts and like,
it's such an ego rush and just

1780
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,520
fills you with the spirit.
It's fantastic.

1781
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,440
If you're not standing there,
nobody's paying me.

1782
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,840
So I have an immediate ceiling
as to how much I can make.

1783
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:22,840
And it is completely dependent
on me leaving where I'm sitting

1784
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,080
right now because no one's
paying me to hit the button

1785
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:26,480
while I'm sitting here talking
to you.

1786
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,960
I have to go somewhere.
I have to get on a plane, go to

1787
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:33,920
a venue and stand there and hit
that button and you hit, you

1788
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,200
click, click, click and Monkey
gets the cookie, right.

1789
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:41,280
So then you got some money.
Well, the market only pays so

1790
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,480
much.
So OK, how much is your time

1791
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:46,560
worth to you?
So if it's, if, if you, let's

1792
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,240
just say you're, you're doing
good at 1000 bucks a day as a

1793
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:55,400
freelancer, the absolute maximum
you can make without charging

1794
01:39:55,400 --> 01:40:00,120
any overtime and things like
that is $365,000.

1795
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,160
Well, that sounds like a
fantastic income.

1796
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,360
But that means you don't get a
single day off.

1797
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:06,880
All right, Well, there's only
solo and that's going to work

1798
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,120
till you have a psychotic
episode.

1799
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,160
You're going to need a day off.
You're going to need a vacation.

1800
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,040
So you're going to need you're
going to need quite a bit of

1801
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,800
vacation to work that kind of
lifestyle.

1802
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,560
So well, immediately we're
taking two weeks off of that at

1803
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,640
a raw minimum.
Then we're going to take all the

1804
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,160
weekends out of that.
And then you're like, when you

1805
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,320
start breaking it down, you
really don't have an opportunity

1806
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,480
to make a lot of money as a day
laborer.

1807
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,560
And you may not like that term
because you associate it with

1808
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:38,920
Mexican farm workers picking
strawberries, but that's what we

1809
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,160
all are.
We are day laborers paid a day

1810
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:45,640
rate to be there for that day,
and you're capped.

1811
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:47,160
How else you going to make
money?

1812
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,760
You should do it.
It's fun, it's great living,

1813
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,440
pays really well in most
instances, tons of perks, get to

1814
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:55,840
see the world in someone else's
dime.

1815
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,160
It's all this great stuff.
But do you have anything

1816
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:02,000
invested in something?
Do you have ACD?

1817
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,760
Do you have anything in the
stock market?

1818
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:08,560
Do you have anything in crypto?
You know, whatever it may be.

1819
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,360
Then have you taken any money,
put it aside to create some sort

1820
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,040
of investment that may be
continually paying you back?

1821
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:20,000
Like I've got a production
manager friend of mine who gets

1822
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,640
he's, he's, he's got a, a friend
of his that he plays golf with

1823
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:25,600
who opens up a lot of strip
malls.

1824
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,200
He's just a real estate guy that
does a strip mall thing.

1825
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:34,560
And when they put something like
a Capriotti's or something in

1826
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,280
any of these strip malls,
something that's going to go in

1827
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,200
there, he'll often hear a value
where we're actually looking for

1828
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:40,920
a few investors to go in on the
business.

1829
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:47,760
Like, hey, listen, they want 50
grand, they'll give you 20% of

1830
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,520
that.
That little store, great man

1831
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:56,720
here, take some money, he saved
up, throws it in there, might

1832
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,760
make 70 grand that year off of
that little percentage, right?

1833
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,680
Get 3 or 4 opportunities like
that, man.

1834
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,040
I'm back on strobe lights for
free.

1835
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,560
This is just fun now.
I don't need the money like you

1836
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:13,160
know, So there are opportunities
out there that people don't hunt

1837
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,560
down.
It's not easy to find, and it

1838
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,600
also takes a lot of networking.
Are you social?

1839
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,440
Are you out there talking to the
right people?

1840
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,560
You know the.
Other is it Pena that says show

1841
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,120
me your friends, they'll show
you your future.

1842
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:25,600
You know who you hanging out
with?

1843
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,760
If you hang it out with people
that aren't making money, you're

1844
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,720
never going to make any money.
Well, or if you don't, if they

1845
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,720
don't look happy to you and you
always think, damn, why is

1846
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:39,480
Dearson always so angry then,
you know, don't complain about

1847
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,280
he's making more money than you
or less money or whatever, like,

1848
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,240
you know, do.
The I'm the constant state of

1849
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:45,960
anger.
You know people, but here's

1850
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,360
here's another concept.
Like you're not fun anymore.

1851
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,600
It's like, well, I have way too
much on the line to Dick around.

1852
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,480
Me too.
Can't just hang out.

1853
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:53,960
Me too.
Yeah, me too.

1854
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,840
Especially the last couple years
for me has just been non-stop

1855
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,320
work.
But you know, one of the other

1856
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,000
problems that I see is people
don't recognize when they need

1857
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:07,040
to add an employee or more than
one employee, an assistant, for

1858
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:08,920
example.
I've never been one for an

1859
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:12,520
assistant because like I had one
in my last couple years at

1860
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,880
Martin where Peter Johansson
forced me to have an assistant

1861
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,400
and she never knew when I was
leaving coming.

1862
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,360
She didn't know where I was,
didn't know what hotel I was in,

1863
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:26,520
didn't know how to like no,
because I was always booking my

1864
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,840
own shit.
You know, I was just like 3

1865
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:30,640
steps ahead of her all the time,
right?

1866
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,480
Because it's just the way I do
things.

1867
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:36,160
I manage my life very quickly
and very efficiently calling.

1868
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,880
And the same, but my wife is
always because she's a bit,

1869
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,240
she's the business manager,
right?

1870
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:41,920
Yeah.
She's always saying why don't

1871
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:43,560
you just let me handle that
stuff for you?

1872
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,160
Yeah, Yeah.
I always say every time I try to

1873
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,720
do that, you simply come back to
me asking all of the questions

1874
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:53,480
of how to do it because you need
to know the information.

1875
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:55,720
I've got it all.
It's just that's faster for me

1876
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:56,520
to just knock.
It out.

1877
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:58,760
I think this is where.
AI is going to be a fantastic

1878
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,320
assistant.
Well, yeah, I mean, the I

1879
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,160
already use it that way.
So, you know, like if you and I

1880
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:08,800
are talking and I say, yeah,
I'll, I'll put some time in the

1881
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,720
calendar for next Tuesday at
10:00 in the morning.

1882
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,600
It's doing that in the
background for me right now

1883
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:15,760
while we're talking.
Right.

1884
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,400
And you'll get a Google invite
going.

1885
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:22,240
Man, I didn't see him typing.
But so you know that I read this

1886
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:28,120
book called Buy Back Your Time
from a guy called Dan Martel.

1887
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:32,720
He's he's one of these, you
know, really kind of douchey

1888
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,360
Instagram guys that's always
trying to get you to join his

1889
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,720
get rich courses and stuff.
But before all of that, he was

1890
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,960
just a really smart guy.
And I particularly like this

1891
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:47,840
book because it basically it
gives you a formula to calculate

1892
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:52,200
first of all, like what your
time is worth, but then it gives

1893
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,040
you a formula to calculate how
much you can pay to replace

1894
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,760
yourself and still be
profitable.

1895
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,000
And it's a lot more complicated
than it sounds.

1896
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:06,080
But, and, and so anything under
a certain threshold, you should

1897
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,640
be hiring people to do those
things.

1898
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,720
And so you, you basically, you
look at your, I know you do this

1899
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:13,920
thing called time blocking and
we're not going to have time to

1900
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,360
talk about it because we're
running out very rapidly here.

1901
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:20,080
But you look at your time and
you go, OK, I did this, this,

1902
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:21,640
this, this, this, this, this,
and this.

1903
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:26,120
And you put a price on all of
those things, and then you start

1904
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,880
putting a value on those things.
And you compare the price to the

1905
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,680
value.
And when the value's a lot lower

1906
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:34,240
than the price, you start going,
OK, wait a second.

1907
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,240
I need to get somebody.
Else literally one of the things

1908
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,760
I teach a lot of the yeah that
are that are rewrite back your

1909
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,440
time you'll it's very easy for
you to figure this out yeah if

1910
01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:46,240
you're $1000 a day guy based on
10 hour days your your time's

1911
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,640
100 bucks an hour yeah so if
it's going to take you 3 hours

1912
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:53,720
to cut the lawn that's $300 if
you can pay a kid 50 bucks to do

1913
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,360
it you should start hiring that
kid to do because you're fucking

1914
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:58,440
yourself there's some real
science behind it though you.

1915
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,080
Get the book.
I'm telling you, it's a great

1916
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:01,440
book.
Buy back your time.

1917
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:05,320
I've read it twice and because,
you know, I've, it's really

1918
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,560
changed some things the way I do
some things.

1919
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:10,920
But really at the end of the
day, like, especially as we grow

1920
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,920
older, it's kind of like things
start going like this, You know,

1921
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,640
where you have less and less and
less and less time, but you

1922
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,560
actually want more and more and
more time.

1923
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,080
And, and so you got to really
start looking at some of those

1924
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,280
things like look around you and
go, what are the things that I

1925
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,800
could take off my plate very
easily?

1926
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,640
And even if you're just buying
back your time by paying someone

1927
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,720
one so that you can go fishing,
like let's say you just want

1928
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:33,960
some time to go fishing, what
would I pay?

1929
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:35,880
I'd pay 20 bucks an hour to go
fishing.

1930
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:39,080
Let me hand this guy 20 bucks an
hour to do these five things,

1931
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,280
you know so.
I think the, I think the main

1932
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:45,040
struggle that people have with
employees, I should say my main

1933
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:48,320
struggle that I, I had
originally with, with doing the

1934
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:55,040
employees thing was justifying
the overall expense because I

1935
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,880
could look at something and go,
you know what, for this one

1936
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,480
week, I could really use some
help.

1937
01:46:59,480 --> 01:47:02,040
But then the next week I got
nothing for this person to do,

1938
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:06,000
you know, and you have to start,
you know, framing that.

1939
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:10,040
And it's, that's also the next
level of running a business,

1940
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,080
understanding how to keep people
efficient.

1941
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,440
You can't just you can't just
say, well, I, I've got some

1942
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:16,880
money set aside.
I'm going to throw it at this.

1943
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:18,920
They'll show up and they'll
figure it out.

1944
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:20,400
It doesn't.
You must manage it.

1945
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:24,000
You know, and I, I had a thing
with, with some of my guys when

1946
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:27,920
I first started having a full
time employees where I would

1947
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,840
say, all right, great.
We, I literally have nothing.

1948
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,440
We are caught up on all of our
tasks.

1949
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:35,680
We're going to be reactive to
emails all week.

1950
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,720
And now I want you guys in
YouTube University.

1951
01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:43,200
You don't know enough about
Ethernet networking, so your job

1952
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:46,680
today is to sit down and learn
everything you need to know

1953
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:51,040
about Ethernet networking and
how it relates to grandma

1954
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,680
consoles and network processing
on a thing.

1955
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,160
And I would sit the kid down and
be like, you don't leave the

1956
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,840
computer until you learn this,
you know, and I was literally

1957
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,800
paying them to learn.
And it was like, first of all,

1958
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,560
when are you going to get this
opportunity again?

1959
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,840
What, what sucker out there is
going to say, Hey, you got

1960
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:08,560
nothing to do.
I'm going to let you learn how

1961
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,760
to do this.
So I'm literally paying you to

1962
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:13,160
better yourself because you're
not going to be here forever.

1963
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,080
You're going to take this
knowledge to the next thing and

1964
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,280
advance your career.
So I'm not going to gain off of

1965
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:22,480
this much long, much longer.
But A, I'm going to help you,

1966
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:26,480
but B, this will come back, you
know, in, in, in keeping you

1967
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:30,840
busy and engaged and justifying
your being here because of.

1968
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,680
Making you a better.
Asset, right and a better

1969
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,480
employment.
Makes total, makes total sense

1970
01:48:35,480 --> 01:48:36,560
and.
That's where that whole time

1971
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:42,000
blocking, Yeah, the time
blocking thing was spurred a lot

1972
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:45,240
of that because I had realized
what, you know, what my time

1973
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:51,840
cost me and more importantly
really what I can make in an

1974
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,800
hour of my time.
You know, because that's that's

1975
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,160
the real clutch you want to get
into is all right.

1976
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:02,320
If I cost 100 bucks an hour, if
I can pay 100 bucks or payless

1977
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,720
than that.
And that gives me an hour to

1978
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,920
figure out how I'm going to get
$100,000 project.

1979
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,680
Yeah.
You know, now it's exponential.

1980
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:12,680
Yeah.
You know now you're not even

1981
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,000
worried.
Like I don't give a shit if that

1982
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,320
kid cost me $200.00 an hour.
Yeah, now we're you're.

1983
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,120
Freeing yeah.
It's just you got to value your

1984
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:22,880
time higher and then you can
afford to hire more people or a

1985
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,360
more experienced person or
whatever it is it is.

1986
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:26,920
But there's a lot of science to
that.

1987
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,560
And and I really, really love
that stuff.

1988
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,640
Like I've, I've learned a lot
about it for myself, for my own

1989
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,800
business, but I talk to people
about it a lot too.

1990
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,840
And even during COVID, like I
remember having so many

1991
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,920
conversations with people
saying, what are you doing with

1992
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,760
your time?
I mean, same thing you're doing.

1993
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,880
I'm watching Netflix and eating
Cheetos.

1994
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:47,960
Yeah.
Or I'm working out.

1995
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,320
You know, that was the two
things, like the healthy ones.

1996
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,360
I'm working out a lot more and
I'm running and walking, and

1997
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:55,560
that's really great.
What else are you doing?

1998
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:00,480
And if you weren't picking up
new skills or figuring out ways

1999
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:04,920
to move that $100 per hour to
$1000 per hour so that you can

2000
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,760
recover more quickly when you
come out of this thing, then

2001
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:09,920
you're wasting time.
It was, it was insane.

2002
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,680
You know what, what are the
things I joked about?

2003
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:17,240
I think what I think what are
the 1st first festivals we did

2004
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,560
coming out of the pandemic that
year, I think was the Made in

2005
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,320
America festival in
Philadelphia.

2006
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:32,080
And there were four major acts
that came in with designs and

2007
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,320
they were all pointedly a
problem every time they came in,

2008
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:36,880
which is why I had remembered it
so long.

2009
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:42,680
But I, I, we got to the last act
and but I, I, I, I said

2010
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,920
something.
And the second I, I said it, I

2011
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,120
realized that that was a little
unkind to say.

2012
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:52,160
Yeah, but unfortunately it was
true.

2013
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:58,120
All four major artists had
supplemental floor package

2014
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:04,440
designs that were cubes.
Different version of you.

2015
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:07,960
We have one wrapper that had
this like plexiglass cube with a

2016
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,360
a giant spider in it.
I remember we had another guy

2017
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:17,000
that had this giant cube
structure that was made in haste

2018
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:22,360
and we we had to spend $40,000
on extra plywood to shore up the

2019
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:26,040
stage because it was £14,000.
The stage would end.

2020
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:30,560
Each one had its own challenge.
But I, I was so frustrated at

2021
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,400
the end because we had had all
this crazy expenditure and all

2022
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:35,520
this shit.
And I said, you motherfuckers

2023
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:39,040
sat here for two years with
nothing to do but come up with

2024
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,320
shit and everybody walked in
with a fucking square.

2025
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,680
That was the that was the
pinnacle, your creativity.

2026
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,840
That is all of this.
Oh, and it's heavy and cost too

2027
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:51,520
much.
Wow, did you guys fuck up two

2028
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,160
years of fucking time.
That was a gift that you could

2029
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,480
have.
Really cutting edge there, Mr.

2030
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,720
you know, and, and half the
time, like for these art

2031
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:03,000
projects, these people are
spending well, I paid so and so

2032
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:07,000
$100,000 to design this cube.
You know, I would have done it

2033
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,720
for a grand.
Sorry, you know, like I'm sorry

2034
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:13,040
like there's, there's it's
everyone in, in Calgary where

2035
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,560
I'm from and which is about an
hour and a half away from me

2036
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:19,760
right now, has been complaining
for years about there's this

2037
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,560
thing over the freeway in
Calgary which is called Deerfoot

2038
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,840
Trail.
And it's a, it's a round metal

2039
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:32,480
hoop basically on these two
stanchion things that hold it up

2040
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:37,360
and that's it like, and it's
probably, I don't know, 25 feet

2041
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,560
in diameter, 30 feet in
diameter.

2042
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:44,640
It was, it was like $200,000.
They paid a designer for it.

2043
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,720
And then to have it built like
it was just some insane,

2044
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:52,560
obnoxious amount of money to
design a circle.

2045
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:56,120
Like they literally said, here's
what we'll create.

2046
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,400
And this was an art piece that
the city was so proud of, and

2047
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:02,680
all of its residents are like,
you're an asshole, like who

2048
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,600
signed off on this thing.
At the end of the day, it has

2049
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,120
more to do with, well, two
things.

2050
01:53:09,480 --> 01:53:12,480
Firstly, the, the, the, the
piece of paper that comes with

2051
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:18,480
it has a description.
And that description is this

2052
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:24,760
highfalutant high art telling
you how it, it pulls the, the

2053
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,080
rays of the universe inward
toward the center of the circle.

2054
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:29,560
Yeah.
And puts them outward with the

2055
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:31,600
flow of traffic.
And it's.

2056
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:35,160
Perfectly connecting the 2 ends
of one community right at the

2057
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:36,000
top.
Exactly.

2058
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,640
Right, it's a, so it's.
It's a representation.

2059
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,320
It's an aluminum circle, you
know the.

2060
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:46,000
The best asset to any artist is
their creative writing skills

2061
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,120
'cause that's what sells.
So true, so true, and.

2062
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:52,840
You know, 'cause I see it with
every creative deck for every

2063
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,560
phony corporate show we do.
It's like, I'm sorry, we're

2064
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,480
doing another keynote that's
going to be all lit and blue

2065
01:53:59,480 --> 01:54:00,920
because they don't want any
other color.

2066
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:02,720
And it's just video screens on
its sides.

2067
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:06,160
And, and it may be some little
thing in the middle, but by God,

2068
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:11,160
the PowerPoint presentation that
you get and this, this toll of

2069
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:15,640
poetry of, you know, what an
incredible experiential

2070
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:17,680
adventure we're about to work
upon.

2071
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,320
It's incredible.
It's going to connect art and

2072
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,800
technology in a way of
networking those.

2073
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:25,320
It just goes on and on.
It's like, all right dude, like.

2074
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:27,840
Enough.
So cash check.

2075
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,280
I've got somebody sitting in my
virtual office waiting for me

2076
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:32,600
right now.
But what?

2077
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:35,640
Anything you're promoting,
anything you want to other than

2078
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,840
the crime family law firm that
you're dealing with, apparently

2079
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,680
anything.
Anything I missed?

2080
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:44,260
Or you want.
That has nothing to do with the

2081
01:54:44,260 --> 01:54:47,160
T-shirt of wearing, by the way.
It's let's just put that out

2082
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:48,840
there.
There's two of my former

2083
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,800
employers are listed on here.
Yeah, Let's see which ones.

2084
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,440
Yeah, but, but no, I literally
have nothing that I want to

2085
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:55,720
promote.
Everybody leave me the fuck

2086
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,760
alone.
Yeah, Hey, just hate on me.

2087
01:54:57,880 --> 01:54:59,600
Leave me.
You're trying to take the summer

2088
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:00,560
off.
I really am.

2089
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,040
I we have a we have.
Good for you.

2090
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,720
I hope we.
Slow summer, we've got a wild

2091
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,160
fall and winter, so we're we're
getting ready for pre.

2092
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,280
Production for all.
If you want to do something fun,

2093
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:12,160
pop up here to Canada and I'll
show you around a little a

2094
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:13,840
little bit.
I've got a very nice house in

2095
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,240
the mountains here.
I would absolutely love to

2096
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:21,080
there's a direct flight on
WestJet, except we, we, we had

2097
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:25,000
a, a, a slight tragedy in our,
our family a few weeks ago.

2098
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,880
I know, I'm sorry.
We lost very unexpectedly lost

2099
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:33,880
one of our pugs.
We had two beautiful pugs and in

2100
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:38,280
in normal situations, you have a
long decline with them and you

2101
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:41,200
kind of know what's coming.
And this was she threw a blood

2102
01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:45,560
clot dropped right in front of
us while we were in in a vet

2103
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:47,360
exams.
Well, I know this isn't very

2104
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:52,640
satisfying, but I've had to put
a couple dogs down and I think

2105
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,680
I'd rather that like, whether
you're religious or not, Well,

2106
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:58,400
I'd rather God does the work
than me, you know, I'm.

2107
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:01,040
I'm with you in that decision
because we've gone through that

2108
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:01,880
as well.
Yeah.

2109
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,520
And yeah, we, we, we've got
through great lengths to never

2110
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:06,600
have children.
So, yeah.

2111
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:08,400
So there are, there are
challenges.

2112
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,480
So I got the yeah, the old lazy
one, yeah.

2113
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:15,480
I've met your dogs.
And, and they're great within

2114
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:19,000
five days, this one aged as many
years.

2115
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,320
She wouldn't do the stairs.
She she had the realization that

2116
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:23,680
her sister was never coming
home.

2117
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:28,200
And it was gut wrenching on top
of our heartache and.

2118
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,720
So now you're afraid that.
No, I said I'm not losing this

2119
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:35,760
one to a broken heart.
So what you're not seeing right

2120
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:39,680
now are the 2 terrorists that we
just took.

2121
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,560
Position good for you, brand
new.

2122
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:42,600
Puppies.
So we left.

2123
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,400
This one sleeping, she's like
God damn, get away from me.

2124
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:48,960
She's tuckered out.
She can't run.

2125
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,560
Rejuvenated her.
Yeah, that's awesome.

2126
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:52,680
Great.
Nice move.

2127
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:55,640
But we're we're taking the
summer now since it's slow.

2128
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:58,120
I've got the staff all working
remotely on pre production

2129
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:59,080
stuff.
Oh God.

2130
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,840
We're just, we're just sitting
here for the summer taking care

2131
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:03,400
of puppies.
Getting potty trained and

2132
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:04,560
chills.
Stay in touch.

2133
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:08,880
I'll see you every day on our
text group and tell Wiseman to

2134
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:10,840
go fuck himself.
You know, like every day.

2135
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:13,160
As usual.
Yeah, Yeah, No, that's fun.

2136
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:16,800
I mean, I, I got to be honest,
I, I appreciate both of you so

2137
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:20,040
much for different reasons and
the same reasons.

2138
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:24,360
And it's just really fun to wake
up to those messages because,

2139
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,520
you know, no matter what, I seem
to go to bed earlier than you

2140
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,920
and get up earlier than you.
So usually I'm waking up or on

2141
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:34,560
the West Coast.
And I keep very late nights, my

2142
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:36,880
wife and I.
Keep very late yeah, I don't I I

2143
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:40,440
go to bed at freaking 9:30 or
10:00 at night and I'm up at

2144
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:43,960
5:00 every morning at at the
latest these days like I go.

2145
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:48,520
To bed at 1 and up at 5:00 I, I
survive on 2 naps a day

2146
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,840
basically yeah I can't but to
that point I think this is

2147
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:53,680
actually an excellent way to to
sort of wrap this up I, I, I too

2148
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:58,080
would like to extend my thanks
to that because particularly the

2149
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:06,000
fact that June is pride month
what often gets completely over

2150
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:10,640
shown because of that being such
a a hot topic in the world is

2151
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:14,440
that June is also men's mental
health month and was.

2152
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:16,520
Wondering where the hell you
were going with that one.

2153
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,920
One of the things that, no, it,
it wasn't the fact that I

2154
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:21,160
always, like, write a text
message.

2155
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:24,000
Marcel likes men.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2156
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:26,520
It was in my show notes.
I almost brought it up.

2157
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:31,440
By the way, I'd like men.
The, the, the, the, that type of

2158
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,280
text message chain.
And I, I have a, a, a part of a

2159
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:38,240
few of them.
I'm, I'm truly thankful for and

2160
01:58:38,240 --> 01:58:42,320
I appreciate from the standpoint
of mental health because, you

2161
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:46,080
know, we're, we're on this chain
because we, we are clearly very

2162
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:49,480
like minded, But we've, we've,
we've enjoyed a lot of

2163
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:52,160
similarities in our success and
we've got a lot of the same

2164
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,320
experiences.
Definitely go through a lot of

2165
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:55,960
the same struggles and all that
stuff.

2166
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:59,800
To, to have a small group of
people talking, a small group of

2167
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:03,360
supportive men, you know, women,
you're not excluded from this.

2168
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,360
You should be doing this
yourselves as well.

2169
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:08,920
But it's it, I find it's, it's
so much more important for men

2170
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:13,440
to to have these, these little
group chats, even if a lot of it

2171
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:17,520
is nonsensical joking around to,
to give a bit of that blood

2172
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:22,320
pressure alleviation to and, and
it's just know you're not alone

2173
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:24,320
in a lot of the struggles that
you're going.

2174
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,120
Through, well, also people.
Really fucking tough.

2175
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:28,680
People you trust.
People you trust because you

2176
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:32,040
know, no, none of the three of
us are going to go out and go.

2177
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,320
Do you want to know what Wiseman
said in my private chat group

2178
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,160
with him?
It ain't going to happen.

2179
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:41,120
You know, You could tell me that
you like men, and I'm not going

2180
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,480
to go tell anybody, you know, It
is the circle of trust, by the

2181
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:45,200
way.
He does.

2182
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:49,200
He did tell me that, but you
know, like I like it.

2183
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:54,400
I enjoy it and like you I have I
have a few of those groups and

2184
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:58,120
this is my favorite one because
like minded, I respect both of

2185
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:00,520
you a lot.
You know, Wiseman and I'll put

2186
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:02,880
in this like little one liner
about something.

2187
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:07,640
And then Patrick gives us this
novel with all kinds of

2188
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,720
technical detail and stuff,
like, especially when it got

2189
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:14,200
into this this war thing over
the weekend, you know, Patrick

2190
02:00:14,200 --> 02:00:17,080
was giving us every wild detail
in in.

2191
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:21,440
Stuff that sometimes I had to
grab a paragraph and put it in

2192
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,400
ChatGPT to say, what the fuck
was Patrick just talking about,

2193
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:26,280
you know?
But a lot of this stuff is comes

2194
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:31,400
from, and I think I said it in
one of those texts, I could tell

2195
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:35,040
you this because it's this
part's not classified because I

2196
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:38,080
get these briefs.
Yeah, you know, through because

2197
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,640
we use signal and and certain
other things.

2198
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:45,840
So I'm I'm very often updated on
things that are happening before

2199
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,160
they hit a news cycle.
Jesus.

2200
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:50,600
And and and believe me, I hate
it.

2201
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:52,480
It's it should be fucking
terrifying.

2202
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:54,080
Sometimes I know I I can
imagine.

2203
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,360
Because I also get things that
never hit a news cycle.

2204
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,440
Yeah, when you.
When you're hearing that kind of

2205
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:00,640
stuff, it's.
It makes it hard to sleep.

2206
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:05,360
No wonder you sleep 4 hours.
Having these, these supportive

2207
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:07,720
groups for men, I highly
encourage it.

2208
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:10,200
I, I support everybody.
You're trying to do that with

2209
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:13,280
your own group.
Find people that you, you truly

2210
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:21,040
trust and, and have a, a, a
similar level of experiences

2211
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,960
with, because very often you
think you're going through

2212
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:28,040
something like there was so many
times that I, I in life where I,

2213
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,560
I was, I was picking the
concealed carrier was going to

2214
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:33,680
use that day based on fucking
mouthfeel.

2215
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:36,720
And you know, that's not the way
to go through life, man.

2216
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:41,200
There are people out there that
love you, that can support you.

2217
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:46,360
And if nothing else, they can
go, Yeah, man, I know what

2218
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:47,720
that's like.
That sucks.

2219
02:01:47,720 --> 02:01:50,000
I don't really have an answer
for you because I went through

2220
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,120
it too.
And it's it's just got to ride

2221
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:53,800
through it.
Or just just getting that

2222
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:57,320
reinforcement is a huge thing
for men in a world where we're

2223
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:01,880
constantly told to suck it up,
push the feelings down, you

2224
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:04,760
know, don't cry, don't whine,
complain.

2225
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:05,840
Buckle down.
Do.

2226
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:10,320
Your things, you know I'm with
Hard and Patrick, I got to jump.

2227
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:14,520
I appreciate you pal and look
forward to see you in real life

2228
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,560
soon.
Very much so, yeah.

2229
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:18,400
Enjoy the summer, stay cool up
there.

2230
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:19,640
Yeah.
All right.

2231
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:20,520
Talk to you later, bye.