#299 - Hailey and Ella Featherstone - LEADING LADIES PODCAST

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Hello and welcome to leading
ladies with me, Sarah Burnie.

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Now I've just finished recording
a fantastic episode with the

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Featherstone Ladies.
Hayley Featherstone is an

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award-winning lighting designer
and director and Ella

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Featherstone is a freelance
associate producer and

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production coordinator.
Our conversation was brilliant.

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Now here's the leading ladies by
Geezers of Gear on tour.

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Maybe she got some stories to
share.

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Now here's the leading ladies by
the Geezers of Gear Rock star

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ladies with some stories to
share because La La La La la

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ladies.
Hello ladies, Hello.

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Hey, hello Ella, how are you?
And welcome to leading ladies

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podcast.
Hello, thank you for having us.

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A pleasure.
Now, I know this has been well,

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we've been chatting back and
forth probably well, for

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literally since last year.
Yeah.

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This is the first time, both of
you, you're in Chicago now, home

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for one week.
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Yep, just about.
That's amazing.

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And you just and you, you was
like, Yep, I'm going to come on

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because it must be mourning for
you now.

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It mustn't.
It's about.

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Yeah, it's about 9:30.
Yeah, it's about.

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And so 930 you've got up just to
come on here.

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Thanks guys.
Of course.

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My pleasure.
So really what I just really I

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need to know all about you.
I know you've sent a few sort of

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notes over, but we're just going
to have a nice chit chat and

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yeah, so please decide who wants
to go first.

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But you know, what do you guys
do?

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Let's start with that.
What Haley, what do you do in

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the industry and.
Yeah.

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So I'm AI like to refer to
myself as a lighting

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professional.
I do program design, operating

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pretty much kind of whatever
sort of niche needs to be filled

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right now.
I work with light switch design

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and creative firm and I do
everything from taking tours out

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as an LD to designing outdoor
immersive, what we love lovingly

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refer to as garden shows and you
know, going out and design

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programming or programming
corporate shows and large scale

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one offs either for myself or
you know, as part of the part of

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the light switch collective.
That's incredible.

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And Ella, what, what's your role
within our industry?

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My answer is much less practice
than Haley is at this point, but

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I am an I'm on the other side of
the industry.

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I do production coordination
associate producing for a lot of

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really incredible companies that
I feel honored to work for.

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I intertwine a lot with with the
Light Switch Collective 2.

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I provide them production
support on shows in which they

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need a little bit of background
oomph that they don't

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necessarily always get from all
of the creatives on their side.

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Yeah, that's basically what I
do.

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I run the production realm and
Haley does the creative side.

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That's incredible.
And so for those people

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listening that aren't familiar,
like really you've been in this

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industry since, well, since you
were born because you're I'm

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going to mention you're amazing
father now, John Featherstone

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from Lightswitch.
He is basically your dad.

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And for the ladies, you can tune
into geysers of gear and listen

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to many episodes that we've had
here mom.

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So what was it like really
starting as as children going

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into?
You know, it's always funny

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because a lot of people say that
their first job was at a coffee

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shop or babysitting or something
similar to that.

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Well, my first job was running
cable does under stages for

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iTunes gift cards.
I say that very fondly, but.

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Yeah, nothing.
Nothing like being bribed with

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an iTunes gift card.
Thousands.

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That was the the.
Highest currency I could get as

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an 11 year old.
Yeah, Oh my goodness.

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So, you know, which would your
dad like would obviously like

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take you on tour, not take you
on tours, but you would sort of

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go be be part of that, you know,
is your mom in the industry?

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I don't know this, I'm sorry.
She kind of tangentially was,

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she worked as a travel agent.
She worked up staging, was one

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of her big clients for a long
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So she booked a lot of a lot of
travel for tours and like people

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going on the road and stuff.
So she she sort of was, she sold

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off her travel business when
Ella and I started really get a

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little bit older and getting
into school.

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But yeah, she so there there was
a lot of overlap when her and

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when her and my dad got
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OK And so growing up in America
that I, you know, Chicago,

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Chicago-based the whole whole
time or if you moved around

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because of the work that your
parents.

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Well, we never we never moved
because of the work.

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The office was always in the
basement of our childhood home.

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We had some incredible guys
working down there our whole

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time growing up and they used to
temporarily babysit us when our

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mom needed to run to the grocery
store or I remember longingly

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climbing all over a massage
chair that they had in their

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little relaxation nook of the
office downstairs.

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So we have always referred to
light switch is another member

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of our family in the most
endearing term possible because

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genuinely the people who helped
foundationally raise up light

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switch also helped
foundationally raise up us as

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well.
That's the yeah, that's that's

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really cool.
So light switch is your family,

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you know.
For sure.

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You know, that that's just part,
part part of it now.

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I did actually.
I had a lovely lady on and that,

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you know, her name's completely
gone now, but she also was

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basically brought up from, you
know, a child into the industry.

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And sorry that her name's going
to come to me now and I've just

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lit you up.
It's just but her, her mum

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actually didn't want her to go
into the industry.

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So it was the complete role
reversal and guided her into a

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different, you know, different,
yeah, different industry, a

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different like education,
different everything.

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Yeah.
Mum and Dad encourage you to go

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into this.
Or did you find yourself that

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you naturally fell into it?
You know, I don't think that

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there was ever really any push
to go into this, but I think

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that because kind of like what
Ella was saying, you know, the,

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the company and the, the
industry really as a whole has

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always sort of been just a, an
inherent part of our lives.

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We always gravitated towards
that kind of work and creative

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outlet anyway.
You know, Ella and I were both

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really involved in, in, in
theater and, and the arts in

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going into school.
You know, I was slightly more on

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the technical side.
Ella was slightly more on the

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stage side at the time, which
is, which is funny, but we

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always gravitated towards that
sort of being our outlet.

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And I never, I don't know about
you, Elle, but I never really

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felt a push from them to go
either way.

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I think if anything, John was
sort of like a little hesitant

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to was just one way or another
in general.

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They both gave us a ton of
freedom to sort of get there

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naturally.
Which is the best, let's say,

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best parenting you can have
given that opportunity to really

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flow into what you naturally are
good at and what you're also

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passionate about?
I mean, I actually, I, I also

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like LII was the stage side.
So I performing arts, that was

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me growing up, you know, little
Bony on the dance stage, jazz

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bands, tap mod and all the rest
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And I, I went to, when I went
to, let's say, the professional

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performing arts and I realized
I, I was good in my town, but I

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wasn't good in the really big
town, you know, like, like

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London basically.
And I was like, I'm not the best

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anymore.
And then I just realised that I,

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that was not, excuse me, that
was just not going to be, I was

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never going to be like one of
the best of this and that.

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So I kind of backed out and went
behind the scenes.

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And I love the behind the
scenes, you know, and OK, I'm,

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I'm not as creative as, as
yourself, Haley.

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And like now Ella, we've like
being a really being a mum, you

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know, I would love to have
really ventured into this, that

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kind of side of things.
The creativity of, you know,

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lighting is just incredible for
me.

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So, you know, where did you
find?

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Because obviously, OK, light
switch and you know, in the

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basement, you know that
obviously that that was like

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guiding you somewhere, but you
could have gone into video, you

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could have gone into other areas
of, of touring.

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What made you go that way?
I don't know if going into any

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other technical aspect would
have really been a choice in our

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family.
I think the options were

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lighting or finding a different
part of the industry to join

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Lake Production.
I I, unlike Haley, didn't go to

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college for lighting design or
production design.

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I went to college to become an
elementary school teacher, which

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still very applicable skills to
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Definitely a lot of things I
still learn, but I tried to

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rebel quote UN quote becoming an
elementary school teacher.

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Again, nothing like nothing like
rebelling by trying to become a

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teacher.
Again, that's like the.

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Family industry for a little bit
when I first decided to go to

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college.
But about 3/4 of the way through

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my college experience, I
discovered that what I really

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did love was the community that
came alongside the industry that

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we're all so lucky to be in.
And how much that community

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fosters creativity, fosters
familiar relationships, fosters

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friendships, fosters growth and
leadership and development in a

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way that I didn't see and any
other sphere that I was looking

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at joining at the time.
And I saw how happy it made my

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dad, how happy it was making my
sister, the incredible

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experiences they both had to
have, and also how much love and

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joy came alongside that.
And that's why I decided to go

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into it for both of us, not not
going in it, we would never go

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into audio.
Let's firstly start by that.

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That would be the dark side in
our family.

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I wasn't going to say it, but.
It was, it was always lighting

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or finding some something as
close to lighting as possible so

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that we could all stay a
collective in a unit.

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Because we really are more
powerful together, all of us.

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We really can sit at dinner and
elaborate on one another's

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creative ideas and support each
other in other aspects that some

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of us aren't familiar with.
Haley's husband Steve is elite

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electrician too, and some of the
ideas that he comes up with,

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Haley and John are able to
really expand on creatively.

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And then I'm able to put a
realistic twist on it.

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So the fact that all of us are
able to collaborate together is

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such a gift of being in this
industry together.

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And I just don't know if being
an audio tech or a video tech

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would have been in either of our
abilities or skill sets.

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Really.
More skill sets.

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No shade on audio and video,
just yeah, I know there's always

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been, there's always been the
playful banter between the

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lighting and the audio folks, so
of course.

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Playful banter.
Yeah.

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I think many an audio team we
love.

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Haley's best friend's about to
marry an audio guy and we still

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love her so.
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And him.
Yeah, I think that I think that

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we, we were really lucky to grow
up in a household where, you

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know, our dad always really
fostered a sense of like

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playfulness and creativity.
We were always encouraged to

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play.
We were always encouraged to do

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projects.
We from a very young age, he

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like, he involved us in like
doing all this stuff around the

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house.
So we've never really strayed

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away from like tools and like
learning how to build stuff and

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being able to like have have a
project come at you and be

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afraid of how you're gonna
tackle it.

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So I think that we were super
lucky with that.

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A lot of like the creativity and
the gusto to kind of just take

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on whatever comes at you really
came from, from him and from

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that.
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such a steadfast, but a patron
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such a pillar of, of all of our
relationships and both as a

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family and both and like how we
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friends or whatever.
Those two things have really

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like come together nicely to
give us a sense of we can kind

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of, we can kind of do what is
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You know, and I think that
that's such a, a core principle

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of being successful in this
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If you look at something and
you're like, I don't think I can

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do that, you're going to limit
yourself and a lot of the times

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you're going to let down your
team.

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You know, this is this is an
industry of I don't know how to

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do that, but I am going to
figure it out, you know.

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And The thing is, it sounds
like, I mean want to be sat

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around your dinner table.
That would be an incredible

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dinner and conversation.
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We're very good at cooking as
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Oh my goodness, even better,
right?

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I'm coming.
I'm next flight.

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But for me, it's more the fact
that you've really had and you

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know, everyone has maybe their
ups and downs, but the core

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foundation of your family is
about communication.

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It's about that.
And I know your dad's a very big

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believer in the giving back.
And I'm going to say like love,

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you know, love and charity, what
you can do.

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And really, I don't know, just
just giving back to what your

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talents are and, you know,
really focusing on your your

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creativity side of things and
you're just overall personality

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to make you great people.
You know that's.

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And I think what we've always
learned from everyone in this

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industry and everyone who has
become our belated uncles and

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belated aunts in these in this
industry is that the spread of

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information is the greatest gift
that we can give anyone around

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us.
And the knowledge that we have

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learned from the struggles that
we've had in the industry.

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Being able to give someone the
information we learned from that

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so that they don't have to make
the same mistakes again and said

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they can make other mistakes and
still learn from those, but we

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can continue to learn and grow
is one of my favorite parts of

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this industry.
I I never feel like if there's

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anyone on site who I can't go up
to and ask a question and they

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will give me a genuine answer to
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It's just having the gusto to go
up and ask them the question

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that I'm a little afraid to ask
them.

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And that takes, that takes
courage to do that.

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I mean, I'm a big believer in
asking and, you know, also

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telling me how do you want it
done?

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You know, because I, you know,
if I join a team in whatever way

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I join it, you know, how do you
want that done?

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You know, I know how I would do
it, but how do you want it done?

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You know, obviously if I was in
charge, I would say, you know,

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go, go in another direction.
But it's also for me owning up

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to mistakes.
You know I'm the first.

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Totally.
First one to put my hand up.

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Yeah, I screwed up, you know,
because I think you people.

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Respect you.
People respect you more for

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owning up for it than they do if
they find out it was you and you

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didn't tell them upfront anyway.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Blame.
Yeah, so it it always.

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God, sorry.
Sorry, I was just going to say

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it always.
It always shocks me how much how

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how much people are afraid to
say sorry and how it does it.

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How saying sorry or owning up to
your mistakes does nothing but

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push you forward.
I think everybody is so afraid

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of messing up and of doing
something wrong that we don't

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embrace like the growth that
comes from messing up.

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Imagine if you never messed up.
That'd be so boring.

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One, it would be incredibly
annoying to be around you.

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And two and two, you, you never
progress.

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You know, You're like stuck in
this little bubble of being able

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to do really the same things
really well over and over and

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over again, you know?
Yeah, and it's a way of, like

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you say, it's a way of growing.
You make the mistakes, you learn

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from them, and you can grow from
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OK, We've all met people before
that have given.

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I don't know, keep giving a shit
for it, OK, You're going to get

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shit for it.
OK, you're going to get shit for

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it.
You're messed up, but you will

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learn and do better next time.
How do you feel being actually

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not what I didn't want to ask
you now.

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So you're on.
We don't have to say you're on

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holiday because you're not on
holiday, because I'm sure

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you're.
Our temporary one week off in

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between projects, yes.
I mean the.

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Off is a relative term too, you
know, I don't, I don't consider

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it an off day if I have to do
more than two Zoom meetings, you

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know, that's not an off day,
that's just an office day.

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Exactly.
So I know you're not off and on

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holiday, you're you're in
between right now.

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But what are you basically?
What have you just been?

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What have you finished just now,
or what are you on a break from?

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Haley So I am sort of in the
midst of doing a lot of stuff

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for Hans Zimmer live.
I'm the assistant designer and

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lighting operator on that show.
We have a pretty busy year with

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Hans.
We just finished a couple shows

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in Riyadh and then did a short
leg in the US.

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And now in about a month we're
about to go do Asia Australia

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leg.
And then we're also in the midst

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of doing a redesign for a new
tour in the fall.

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And then I also have a bunch of
fun little corporate shows

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peppered in amongst that, doing
some stuff for VC funding in

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Vegas, doing a thing for HP,
which Ella and I are going to be

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on together in in Nashville
next, in Nashville next week.

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And you know, we always kind of
have our garden shows on the

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back burner.
Those are sort of a year round

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project.
So balancing all those.

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And I, I am fully freelance, so
I jump from project to project

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basically every week.
I just did a big show that was

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in Vegas with XD agency for
Lowe's, which was a great

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project.
It turned out really incredible.

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That whole team there worked so
hard to make that project to

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come together.
And then I have been on

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back-to-back small corporate
pharmaceutical shows.

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Our bread and butter of the
corporate industry is

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definitely.
And then I'm, I work basically

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full time on a true crime
podcast conference that's in

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September this year.
Yeah, I love the team that I do

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that with.
That's the Syndicate Music

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Group.
I'm on a show on Saturday with

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Upstaging for Salesforce.
I work pretty consistently with

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them too.
That that team is incredible.

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I've worked for that for the
past four years.

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And it's one of the teams that I
like run the full budget for, do

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all of the travel scoping, do
everything with like the client

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relationship.
It's like really fun project for

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me.
I was going to ask you because

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like organizing, you know, the
like basically the hotels, the

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transfer, like all of that.
How did you do that?

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Like, you know, it's bad enough
try to, it's bad enough trying

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to get a room for me and my
husband when we go away for a

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couple of days and, you know,
working out that with a good

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location that this, that and,
you know, the dates.

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I mean, yeah, how do you do it?
You know, tells.

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I mean, I love a spreadsheet
that is the easiest.

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I think that if you are in
production and you don't like

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spreadsheets, you should learn
to love spreadsheets because

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they are deadly your best
friends.

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It is so it is such an effective
tool in my day-to-day life.

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It's like every time it gets
updated, it's like a console

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getting an update for Haley.
It's a whole new system that I

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have to learn.
But ultimately in the long run,

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it does make my life easier,
even if I do want to complain

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about it for the first two weeks
after it happens.

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Yep.
But I, I, I love spreadsheets.

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I love organization.
That's always where I like,

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thrived.
Personally.

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I labeled things in my bedroom
from the time that I was 7 until

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the time I was.
Well, how old am I now, 27?

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So having having a fully stocked
office in our basement growing

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up was very dangerous for Ella.
Having access to label makers

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and post it notes and three hole
punches and any kind of tape you

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could want.
She was a monster.

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But I organization I do.
I love that.

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I mean, every night before I
like, before I turn off, I write

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a list everything that I need to
do for the next day.

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And it's not on my phone.
It's not a voice.

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No, it's none of that.
Sorry.

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I it's old school.
It's writing it down because for

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me, yeah, it goes from there.
I got.

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I got to get better at that.
Yeah, I have to.

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It's something that really it
cleanses me after the day.

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And also I course I I cross off
the the the To Do List from the

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day before.
That's the best.

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Yeah.
But yeah, I was just really, you

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know, how do to organise the
hotels and do you get an idea

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from obviously previous tours?
So you've got connections

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obviously with the hotels
already.

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And what happens when you've
got, you know, two big tours

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going in at the same place at
the same time.

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You know what happens in those
scenarios?

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You know, where if, if, if a
tour manager's like, no, I want

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to go to this hotel and you're
like, well, it's already booked

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out by so And so, you know,
like, are people pretty much

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easy going or are they?
I think once again, that's comes

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back to what we talked about
earlier, which is like the

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spread of information and
sharing contacts and sharing

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connections that you have,
Sharing places that were

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successful for you previously in
like long term stints or even in

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like short bus turns and things
like that.

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Places that are really good for
like single day, like shower

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rooms and places that are really
good if you need some recovery

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time.
I think having a good group and

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a good network of people who you
can share that information with

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and then share the contacts from
the hotel with is the best way

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to go about it.
I can't speak so heavily on

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touring as I'm sure other people
who've been on this can, but the

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hotels want you there as much as
you want to be at the hotel.

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And sometimes it's just
reminding yourself that you are

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really the client walking into
there and that that's a

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negotiation tactic that you need
to remember and that you need to

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use because they should be
making your lives easier.

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And if they're not, then maybe
there's someone else you can

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talk to who does recognize you
bringing in 150 hotel rooms and

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what that really does for them
for the next couple of days.

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Yeah, and that's what it is.
Because I mean, one thing I used

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to love being on tour is, you
know, you'd walk into these and

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there are always nice hotels.
I mean, you know, always nice

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hotels.
You walk in, you know, you get

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off that bus like you feel like
the Rockstar.

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Well, I did anyway, you know,
and you got, you got, you get in

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and you know, all the hotels you
take up 150 rooms.

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You know, there's this, you
know, sharing or any of the rest

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of it.
You've got 150 people

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guaranteed.
At least half of them are going

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to get room service.
You can guarantee that.

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And you know.
Even out at the bar.

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Bar, I mean, you know, I often
say this, that you know, OK, we

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will try and save money when
we've been on tour, but then you

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go to that but hotel bar and
that's it.

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Your PDS are gone.
Yeah, Ella, Ella has three

449
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,240
things that really work to her
advantage that always awe me

450
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,040
when when I see her doing this
because I am so not I I could

451
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,320
not do what she does it.
It's truly baffling.

452
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,960
I think the first thing is
willpower.

453
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,760
The second thing is a little bit
of magic, and the third thing is

454
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,760
a very strong customer service
voice.

455
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,200
Ella can do that thing where at
a certain point I would be like,

456
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,960
all right, I'm going to call
back later and she'll just like

457
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,360
she'll plow right through.
See, and that's that for me.

458
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,720
You know, you've got obviously
sisters on here now, but both of

459
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,320
you are like, no, you know, that
would wouldn't be in my

460
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,040
direction.
You know, like I couldn't do

461
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,520
what Ella does.
And Ella was like, yeah, no, I'm

462
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,760
not.
I couldn't do what Haley does

463
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,760
either.
Yeah.

464
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,200
I know what a pretty blue color
that is up there because you

465
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,640
mean lead to a one?
Yeah, it's our pivotal color and

466
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,920
I go.
OK, Yeah, OK.

467
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,920
Can I put a post it on that?
No, I.

468
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,000
Mean, I think we're, I think
we're really lucky like that

469
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,280
because one, it's really
enjoyable working with each

470
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,400
other because we can kind of do
the things that the other one

471
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,600
doesn't really want to do in a
way that doesn't feel like a

472
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,160
burden.
And two, we can cover like a

473
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,560
really great breadth of work
between the two of us, you know,

474
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:22,120
because because we have almost
like counter strengths in a way,

475
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,960
we're able to be strong in a
wider spectrum of things.

476
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,840
So that's why we like working
together.

477
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,560
So the next job you're working
on is next week, did you say?

478
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Week after, Yeah.
Week after, and I'm presuming

479
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,280
it's at any one point, you could
also be working with your dad as

480
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,120
well.
So really is the whole family.

481
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,920
In fact, Hey, I, your dad was
doing a little message for

482
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,520
Marcel the other week and you
did a a quick drive by.

483
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,680
So I, I, I got a glimpse of you
as you as, as he was going just

484
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,520
past the stage.
Yeah.

485
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,480
And so obviously being, you
know, ladies in the industry,

486
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,640
the biggest part of this
podcast, leading ladies, I mean,

487
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,600
have you faced any unique
challenges as a woman in the

488
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,360
field?
And you know, how do you support

489
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,240
others?
Yeah, of course, I think the

490
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,760
most unique challenge that we've
definitely faced is our father

491
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,280
being in the industry.
It has been, it is it is an

492
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:35,160
absolute blessing to have such
an incredible father and mentor

493
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,440
and boss sometimes, but also at
the same time, he is our dad.

494
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,280
And I think sometimes people
forget that that comes with

495
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,720
complexities as well.
How to navigate what you call

496
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,920
each other on site was I think
one of the first challenges that

497
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,840
we ever really faced.
We have very silly nicknames in

498
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520
our household.
I'm Peanut and Haley's Pumpkin.

499
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,920
We have been our entire lives,
but.

500
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Do you believe you just said
that I had well-being?

501
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,200
A being a 23 year old on site
and having one of the like lead

502
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,640
creative directors of a project
come up to you and say, hey,

503
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,560
peanut, how are you doing?
It's not really the most

504
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,400
politically correct way to deal
with something like that on

505
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,440
site.
And so we all had to navigate

506
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,760
that together.
That was a challenge.

507
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,440
We had to navigate as a family
and as Co workers.

508
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,880
It's very, it is the most
incredible thing how much of an

509
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,120
impact our dad has left on the
industry.

510
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,400
But he also has incredibly large
shoes to fill.

511
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:47,000
And that is a lot of pressure on
Haley and myself on making sure

512
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,080
that we are the best versions of
ourselves and that we really

513
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,440
honor our our heritage and our
family name.

514
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,640
As silly as it is to say, but
that's what it feels like.

515
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,640
It's it's a lot of
responsibility and also a lot of

516
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,360
joy, but also a lot of pressure.
Yep.

517
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,400
And I mean, obviously as well,
I'm OK.

518
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,920
I'm not saying you have had
this, but because of your name,

519
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,240
you know, if somebody sees, you
know, you've have you had, let's

520
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,280
say, horrible experiences where
people have gone.

521
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,360
Oh yeah, just got that job
because of, you know, that's a

522
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,040
dad.
Yeah, of course.

523
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Yeah, so of course, and I mean
for me, you know, just looking

524
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,040
at the work you've done, looking
at all the information you've

525
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,120
given me, you know, yes, OK,
Your dad is who your dad is.

526
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,800
You know, we've light switched
with everything.

527
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,000
But you got you, ladies.
You, you, you, you have made it

528
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,600
because of you.
You could be, you could be.

529
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,440
You could have the attitude and
be really spoilt about it.

530
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,360
You could just have a chip on
your shoulder and automatically,

531
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800
you know, just the communication
back and forth, just the meeting

532
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600
you now like that isn't the
case.

533
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,240
So I hope that, you know, if you
have, when you've come across

534
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,760
these people, they've soon gone.
Oh, OK.

535
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,480
I hope they've said sorry.
Well, they don't, Sarah, but

536
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,960
that's OK.
But you know.

537
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,480
But but, but, but at the but, at
the end of the day, you know

538
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,440
what it comes down to is just
doing good work.

539
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,480
There's only so much that people
can say when you just show up

540
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,280
and you do good work.
And at the end of the day, I

541
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,840
think that's what Ella and I
always strive for.

542
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,680
We have both made a really
conscious effort to really take

543
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,960
the time and put in the effort
to work through all the rungs of

544
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440
the ladder to get through where
we are today.

545
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,880
You know, I, I, I went to school
for lighting and production

546
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,240
design And when I graduated, the
first thing I did was go be like

547
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,240
the 7th person on 1/6 person
crew because that's what I

548
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,760
wanted, you know, because I
wanted that to, to be able to

549
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,040
one day inform my decisions and
hopefully make me a better

550
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,560
designer and, and creative.
You know, I mean, Ella's done

551
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,320
the same thing.
She had, has had opportunities

552
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,240
to really skip rungs on the
ladder because she's really

553
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,640
excellent at what she does.
And she's made really conscious

554
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,960
efforts to go through step by
step so that you really know the

555
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,480
process like the back of your
hand.

556
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,840
So I mean, at the end of the
day, when, when you come in and

557
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,640
you're young and people are like
kind of talking smack a little

558
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,160
bit, of course that affects you,
You're like 2122 years old or

559
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,200
something.
You don't have the, you don't,

560
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,520
you don't.
Your backbone's not as armored

561
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,680
yet, you know, But if you just
approach everything with the

562
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,000
mentality that I'm going to go
in and I'm going to just smash

563
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,720
it, you know, I'm going to do
good work.

564
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,320
I'm going to be kind to people.
I'm going to do what I can to

565
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:01,080
uplift people in whatever
scenario I'm in and an advocate

566
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,760
for what I think is right.
Then it kind of like doesn't

567
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880
matter what they say because at
the end of the day, we can go

568
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,400
home and we can feel good about
what we've done and we can see

569
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,840
some of the the trickles of what
we're doing happening in the

570
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,120
industry around us.
So.

571
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,679
Yeah, no, I mean, I was just
asking because I actually, so I

572
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,480
started in my, let's say the
career was in Formula One, so I

573
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,920
was travelling.
With Formula One.

574
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,920
Yeah.
So that was kind of like my

575
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:35,440
thing for a good ten years plus
and I left Formula One and I

576
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,239
kind of like took a year out and
I, you know, I went in.

577
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,800
I didn't really want to be
always travelling, but I just

578
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,040
wanted to I could never do a
normal job anyway.

579
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,679
My my story's going to I I end
up getting a, a job with a

580
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,760
catering company for, you know,
my first tour and I'd never, I'd

581
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,280
never thought the industry, you
know, that there was work in

582
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,720
this industry never before.
You know, this is only reason

583
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,200
it's like now now about eight
years ago and basically this I,

584
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,240
I was on a on a gig.
It was a corporate gig in London

585
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,880
and the crew chief, then a
woman, I have to say she was the

586
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,640
most nastiest piece of work I've
ever had the experience of

587
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,880
working for.
And I know like I'm, I'm, I'm,

588
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,480
I'm, I'm good at what I do when
I get when I set my mind to

589
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,520
things, I'm good.
And I know that big head coming

590
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,000
in now.
No, it's.

591
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Important.
Yeah, no, but I, I know I am.

592
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,480
I know I do a good job and you
know, I will do anything, you

593
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,760
know, literally anything.
And anyway, this woman, I could

594
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,080
tell she was like, she just
didn't like me, just didn't like

595
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,840
me and I didn't understand why.
But like in two weeks time I was

596
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,080
going on a big tour.
It was one of the biggest the

597
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,560
company had had for a long time
and blah, blah, blah.

598
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Now, bear in mind I'd never
worked for this company before,

599
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,200
but just from my experiences and
the interview and the rest of

600
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,800
it, they put me on the tour.
Well, I'm sorry, I don't, you

601
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,920
know, I don't know.
They, I feel very lucky.

602
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,800
I'm on this tour.
And anyway, she literally, she

603
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,400
was so nasty and she was like at
the I think half not even

604
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,760
halfway through after the first
week, she was like, why are you

605
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,360
on it?
There's other girls.

606
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,960
There's other like ladies in, in
our industry.

607
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,600
And I was like, I'm I, I'm not
sorry, but I'm sorry you feel

608
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,720
this way.
And you.

609
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,920
Know.
I really, I, I, I thought about

610
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,280
it because I, I don't lose my
temper in any way.

611
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,240
And I thought, OK, how am I
going to deal with this?

612
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:39,920
So after a service and she
deliberately made let, how

613
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,400
should I say she?
Oh, I can't think of my words

614
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,160
right now.
She sabotaged, she sabotaged

615
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,480
something I was in charge of on
purpose.

616
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,400
And I remember this so well.
And yeah, Big, big Boss came in.

617
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Of course, she called at me
because that was my area when I

618
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,640
was, But I hadn't even been
shown this area.

619
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,120
She hadn't even shown me it yet.
And then this point was like,

620
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,760
oh, yeah, Sarah's in charge of
that.

621
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,000
Sarah, why haven't you done
this?

622
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,320
It's like, I just want to go
crazy right now.

623
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,240
And.
That's that's the pivotal

624
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:17,400
decision as as to the kind of
person that you want to be,

625
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,600
right, because the reaction that
you have to nasty people on site

626
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,120
is also what makes your briefs
to you as a person on site too.

627
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,680
Yeah, because if you want to
nasty back, you're just feeding

628
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,400
into that.
Exactly.

629
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,360
And I swallowed it all.
Like, really, I swallowed it in

630
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120
front of the big, big boss who
was coming for a, you know, a

631
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,400
sight check.
And I took it all.

632
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,840
And I was like, I'm not going to
play that title tattle back.

633
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,400
I'm going to take it.
I know it's not me.

634
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,840
I know it's not me.
She knows it's not me.

635
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080
And anyway when the boss left
and all the rest of her, I

636
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,880
approached her and I said really
wasn't cool of what you did just

637
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,720
then.
I don't know what you mean.

638
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,520
I said, well I'll tell you this
now if you really think I'm

639
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,360
doing a bad job, if you think
this, that and the other, I said

640
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,160
I will leave now.
I said and you can get a

641
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,840
replacement or I will leave when
you can get a replacement.

642
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,520
I.
And anyway, she was like

643
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:14,960
straight away within I think one
second she changed the rest of

644
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,480
the thing.
She was like my best friend.

645
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Yeah.
And, and like, it's, it's so I,

646
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,680
I genuinely feel sometimes that
is so common in the industry

647
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,040
too, because so many people
really had to make their own

648
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,040
path for themselves and they
forget that they have the

649
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,560
privilege and the honor of
helping other people travel just

650
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,920
a slightly easier path than they
did.

651
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,640
And that's a gift that you get
to decide whether or not you

652
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,520
want to give.
And the attitude that you want

653
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,080
to bring to it decides whether
or not you are going to help

654
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,600
pave the way for other people or
whether you're going to let them

655
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,800
crawl on the same gravelly path
that you did.

656
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,000
And that's a decision you get to
make.

657
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,640
And I feel very lucky because
there were a lot of women and a

658
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,280
lot of really incredible people
ahead of me who helped make that

659
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,720
path easier.
And our our dad really helped

660
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,560
teach us the importance of
walking on the gravel path but

661
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,400
then also paving it behind you
for the people behind you too.

662
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Yeah, and I think that's the way
it should be.

663
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,400
Like I learnt my lesson from
that Lady and I was like, I have

664
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,600
never, ever want to be one
treated like that again.

665
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,760
But to like, really it was
controlled, like emotion, like,

666
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,920
you know, really like that's
just crazy.

667
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
And sadly, you know, it has
happened like in different

668
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,920
circumstances, you know, I've
seen it, you know, other people

669
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,200
treating other people badly.
And it's like, and let's start

670
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480
going back to the start.
Put your hands on you make a

671
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,120
mistake, you know, or why are
you making it so difficult for

672
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000
somebody, you know, try and give
help.

673
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,520
You know, we, you know, we speak
a lot about mental health on

674
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,160
here.
But really, I was going home

675
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,680
every night almost crying like,
you know, like.

676
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,200
That's not what we're here to
do.

677
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,640
We're here to, you know, you
know, whatever it might be,

678
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,760
we're here to give and do the
best we can.

679
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,440
It was fortunate enough to be on
a tour last year just for one

680
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,760
week.
But literally someone was crying

681
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,640
and I was like, this is not
right, you know?

682
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,440
You know, like really guys, you
know, we're here to go on the

683
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,320
show and support each other.
So you know, how do you, how do

684
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,120
you handle say similar
situations or you know, what

685
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,160
situations that you've been in
regarding the mental health side

686
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,600
of things?
You know, how do you, how do you

687
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,360
help people?
How do you stop the nasties?

688
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,040
Yeah, I, well, speaking as
somebody who has had plenty of

689
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,480
times crying on top of a, a pile
of multi behind a demo rack, I,

690
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,680
I think that it's just kind of
like what you said, Sarah.

691
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,200
You know, one of the big things
that our mom has always taught

692
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,840
us is that you can control 0% of
how somebody reacts to you, but

693
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,960
you can control 100% of how you
respond.

694
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:10,720
So it's just really like taking
the power in that just really

695
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:15,040
realizing that you're you, you
have ultimate agency and all of

696
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,920
these in all of these
situations.

697
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,200
And at the end of the day, they
have to go home and live with

698
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,320
themselves and you have to go
home and live with yourself.

699
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,120
So.
Act.

700
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Act accordingly.
I suppose, you know, in terms of

701
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,720
like, I, I want to just kind of
like touch on what you said too,

702
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,080
about like somebody crying at
work.

703
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,120
What we do is incredibly
difficult.

704
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080
We're asked to give 100 percent,
100% of the time.

705
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,160
We're asked to, you know, we
miss birthdays, we miss

706
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,520
anniversaries, we miss weddings,
We miss significant times with

707
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640
our family.
And one of the things that I

708
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,440
have really learned, especially
over the past couple of years,

709
00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,360
is that while what we do is so
it's a really unique job, we get

710
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,120
to do a lot of really great
interesting things, meet

711
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,080
interesting people, travel all
over the world.

712
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,600
It is work, you know, So at the
end of the day, we have to treat

713
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,920
everybody with the inherent
respect of somebody that you

714
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,960
would treat in an office.
You know, we have to go in and

715
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,200
we have to talk to people like
they're at work.

716
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,480
We have to go in and we have to
take care of people and give

717
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,040
people a baseline level of
respect.

718
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,440
Like they're our coworkers just
because we live with them and we

719
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,240
eat with them and we travel with
them.

720
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,200
I mean, that's just like that's,
that's, that's an add on.

721
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,880
A lot of the times it's a bonus,
right?

722
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,200
Because nine times out of 10,
the people you meet are are

723
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,520
really excellent and they make
you a better person.

724
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,280
But in the one out of 10 times
that they're not all, all I ever

725
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,080
ask from people like that is
just just remember that we're at

726
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,200
work here.
You know, you don't scream at

727
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,080
somebody at work, you don't make
somebody cry at work.

728
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,160
You know, you, you help people,
you help to elevate the team.

729
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,240
Teamwork makes the dream work.
And and I think that that's just

730
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,680
such an important thing to
remember.

731
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,240
You know, we're not.
We're not at summer camp.

732
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,240
We're at work.
Do you think that the pressure

733
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,880
of, you know, the, the
scheduling now, not now, but you

734
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,320
know, it's always has been very,
you know, like, do you feel that

735
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,000
because like we call ourselves
family now, sadly, families do

736
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,800
argue.
And do you think that's kind of,

737
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:39,000
we all get too close when we're
on a tour and we're tired and we

738
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,400
kind of like hurt the people
that we love in a way, you know?

739
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,440
But how can we overcome that
apart from having like a week

740
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,720
off in between a gig?
I think everyone's allowed to

741
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,640
have a bad day.
You know, everyone's allowed to

742
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,120
have a bad day every you, you
never know what's going on with

743
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,920
people.
Cutting people's slack is part

744
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,640
of being an effective team
player and an effective leader,

745
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,880
but holding people responsible
for their actions is also part

746
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,640
of being an effective team
player and an effective leader.

747
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,360
And with what we do, you know,
travel, work, eat, you know,

748
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,200
live together, sometimes that's
a really fine line.

749
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,480
But I think kind of like going
back to what we, what we were

750
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,680
saying a few minutes ago, that's
where the, that's where the

751
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,080
baseline of really good
communication comes in.

752
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,320
Because when you have a a, when
you, you have a foundation of

753
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,440
being able to communicate really
well with your coworkers, with

754
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,000
your team, with people that
you're touring with or working

755
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,080
with on site.
You're able to move through that

756
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,840
stuff, although it may be hard
sometimes quickly and

757
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,880
efficiently.
And I think owning owning your

758
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,960
stuff as well, because I think
sometimes you forget the effect

759
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,840
that you have on your team as
well.

760
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Such a good point now and.
Owning how you impact that and

761
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,640
really being able to be the
bigger person sometimes and come

762
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,920
and say, hey, I wasn't the best
version of myself or I'm really

763
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,080
sorry I didn't get a good
night's sleep last night.

764
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,400
I'm just not running on full
cylinders right now.

765
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,200
If you could cut me a little bit
of slack.

766
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Being the person to communicate
that to those around you gives

767
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,760
them permission to communicate
it to you too.

768
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,640
And really giving that common
space and that reminding and

769
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
showing people that we really
are human.

770
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,720
And some days you don't get a
good night's sleep and some days

771
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,360
you've forgotten to eat
breakfast and you're hangry and

772
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,040
some days you or having a really
anxious filled day.

773
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,320
And that's just what being a
human is.

774
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,120
And when you're spending
multiple months with people or

775
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,000
even when you're on back-to-back
to back shows, it's just

776
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,960
important to tell people how you
feel.

777
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,000
It doesn't make you any stronger
by dealing with it by yourself

778
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,200
alone in your hotel room at the
end of the night.

779
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,360
If anything, it's easier to get
that one friend who you really

780
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,800
trust on on tour on that project
to have a beer with you at the

781
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,120
hotel and talk it out.
Because that's that's the thing

782
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,320
that I've learned the most about
mental health in this industry

783
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:24,320
is that it it for so long was
looked down upon to have

784
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,520
problems because it meant that
you were slower or meant you

785
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,400
weren't performing it you're
100% or it meant that you

786
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,920
someone else could come in and
take your job.

787
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,640
And I think the vulnerability of
sharing with people that you are

788
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,640
not firing on all cylinders are
not the best version of yourself

789
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,600
in that moment is what makes you
invaluable, because that's

790
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,760
really what makes you human.
Yeah, Elle and I are both are

791
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,800
also both big advocates of
therapy.

792
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:56,320
And I think that it the the
practice of being able to say

793
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,800
things out loud, whether it's to
a really good friend or to a

794
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,160
therapist in like an unbiased
situation.

795
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,720
It just really helps you process
through how you're actually

796
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:12,280
feeling because it's so easy to
get spun up about things that

797
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,160
you don't actually really care
about when you say it in your

798
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:21,280
head, or to get really hurt by
things that are actually really

799
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,520
inconsequential to you in the
lungs in the grand scheme of

800
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,360
things.
And by being able to say it out

801
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,560
loud and process it, you know, I
mean, people do it different

802
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,880
ways.
Ella and I both really benefit

803
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,680
from talking about it.
Some people really benefit from

804
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,160
journaling, writing about it,
you know, some people really

805
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,360
benefit from going for a run,
you know, going to going to

806
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,760
yoga, whatever.
I mean, figure out what your

807
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,480
outlet is to process your
feelings and make sure that you

808
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,920
don't let go of that.
You know, it's really easy to

809
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,120
let go of the self-care stuff
and the stuff that helps you

810
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,520
work through things, especially
when you're busy and especially

811
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,040
when you're tired.
But at the end of the day,

812
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,240
that's what keeps you healthy,
you know?

813
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,120
And I think Haley and I have
both done a really good job of

814
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,120
we talked about the family
concept as well.

815
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,080
Our industry is so intertwined
between personal and

816
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,800
professional that Haley and I
have spent a lot of time this

817
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,280
past couple of years really
defining that.

818
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,040
You know, I talked to a
therapist, but I also talked to

819
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,080
a business coach because it's
important for me to

820
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,920
differentiate those two tracks
of my life because they're so

821
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,280
intertwined with our family,
being interconnected in it, with

822
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,080
all of a large majority of my
friends being interconnected in

823
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,400
it, my sister, it was difficult
for me to have my therapy

824
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,960
intertwined with it as well.
That I found it was really

825
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,760
helpful for me to separate those
two tracks and like to find some

826
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,640
boundaries in it for myself as
well.

827
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,640
Yeah.
See, that's great.

828
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,000
That's great advice.
And I mean really, how do you

829
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,880
feel when say you're joining a
new tour?

830
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,440
So you guys, you know, you've
been working together, so you

831
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,960
know you've got each other when
you are working together, you've

832
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,640
now been on hands for quite a
while now, Hayley.

833
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,000
So you know the crew, so you
slowly, but when you join a

834
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,160
brand new crew, all the faces,
you know a couple, but you don't

835
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,640
know so many.
Like how do you approach that to

836
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,400
influence the rest of the people
that are on the tour that it's

837
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,800
OK to talk and it's OK to have
this like where I feel that

838
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,600
there's like, I don't know where
the communication is in that

839
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,320
part, like.
Yeah, it comes with like the

840
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,160
friendships you build first,
right?

841
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,320
Haley and I are definitely like
planners and we like to do fun

842
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,120
things and go to really good
meals.

843
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,120
And so I think it's for both of
us is really establishing like a

844
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,920
rapport with those people.
You can't just jump in and be

845
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:57,960
like, hey, so we really value
mental health here and I'm an

846
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,080
IMFJ and I really like to
communicate this way in my life.

847
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,360
Service like you got to be like
what's your favorite beer first,

848
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,080
especially on like.
That.

849
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Yeah, yeah.
I think it just, I think it just

850
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:16,840
comes from taking a couple of
moments to be.

851
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,480
I mean, for me it, it comes from
having to be a little bit brave

852
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,640
because I am a very social
person, but I'm not quite as

853
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,920
like naturally extroverted as as
Ella and really as John are.

854
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,800
So for me it's like taking a
couple of extra moments to be

855
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,800
brave and just be really
genuine.

856
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,160
And that like pays off in the
long run.

857
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:47,040
You know, I know that if I can
just, if I can show up as like,

858
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:54,160
like how I want to show up and
like how I want things, things

859
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,720
to kind of like go in the long
run for the first couple of

860
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,200
days, the first couple of
interactions, then that pays off

861
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,640
in the long run.
Because you're sort of setting

862
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,960
the foundation of what, what
people think of you and how

863
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
people are around you and how
you are around people.

864
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,920
And if people know that you're
an open and hard working and

865
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,600
genuine person, then that like
pays off in the long run, you

866
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,200
know?
Yeah, but how would you feel

867
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,840
Like there are so many tools
that go out there.

868
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,280
Do you feel that there's more
people like you guys like me

869
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960
that feel the same way about
talking?

870
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,120
Like when I first came into the
like, you know, the OR even

871
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,520
Formula One, we didn't, we
really didn't, you know, so we

872
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,720
didn't talk.
So do you think are you seeing a

873
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:45,440
change now?
I talk about this a lot, which

874
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,400
is that I think sometimes we
forget how young this industry

875
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,640
really is and how we're only
really experiencing like the

876
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,640
first couple of generations of
like retirement in it.

877
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,200
So I think that with that comes
a new generation incoming as

878
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,560
well with new ideas and new
thoughts and new emotional

879
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,240
development skills and new
conversation starters.

880
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,280
And I really do think that as
this younger generation is

881
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,720
coming up, they are really
advocating for more

882
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000
communication and different
types of boundaries and

883
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,240
different types of relationship
building and different types of

884
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,520
development as this industry is
continuing to push forward.

885
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,160
And I really applaud all the
people who are going out and

886
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,440
speaking about that.
And I really do think that it is

887
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,080
changing some of the older
generation as well to want to

888
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:43,000
talk about it.
I think back to like when I

889
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,160
first went on site with my dad
and how different it is then to

890
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,080
how different site is now.
And how much more willing people

891
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:58,040
are able to communicate about
their exhaustion levels or the

892
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,040
the capacity that they're able
to provide you.

893
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,880
Or if they have the bandwidth to
be able to do that, if they're

894
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,480
able to do that extra work
today, or if they need to call

895
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,040
in someone else.
Yeah, and I think that's the

896
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,760
that thing about calling on
somebody else being there for

897
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,920
other people as well.
And I mean we on geez of gear

898
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,280
and leading ladies.
You know, we support loads lots

899
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,640
of the charities, you know, that
are out there.

900
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,600
The echo live now.
You know they do they're

901
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,080
incredible.
We had again, my name's got for

902
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,560
their name now.
We had her on last week.

903
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,880
She an incredible lady.
Oh damn, what has gone wrong

904
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,400
with my name?
My name.

905
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,920
It's the puppy.
It's taking all of your brain

906
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,800
power.
There's a puppy.

907
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,880
The puppy has gone.
But what would you say are some

908
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,720
key lessons you've learned from,
you know, just over your

909
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,720
experience from from when you
started until now?

910
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Oh my God, there's so many.
How can you choose, you know?

911
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:20,520
OK, I think, I think a big one
for me is it's like kind of what

912
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,360
we talked about earlier, which
is just that if you if you show

913
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,800
up and you do good work, then
like that's that's the most

914
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,440
people can really ask from you.
You know, when I first started,

915
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,400
I was really nervous about being
one of the only women on tour,

916
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,640
you know, really wanting to
having, having aspirations of

917
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,920
really wanting to move into like
creative positions of leadership

918
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,000
and high higher up positions.
You know, I've really kind of

919
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,560
had like been dead set on that
since I was since I was pretty

920
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,920
young.
And I just got some really great

921
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,280
advice from a couple of really
bad ass women and, and, and men

922
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,040
who who I really respected and
always really respected me.

923
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,040
And and that was always just the
take home, you know, which is

924
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,240
just do good work, you know, do
good work.

925
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,200
And, and and that's, that's the
most somebody can ask from you,

926
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,280
you know, do you have one in
particular L?

927
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,800
You know, I think I think back
to like Michael and his, his

928
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,920
motto was always like we, we
only do an excellence, which I

929
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,720
think like we only deal in
excellence.

930
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:35,880
Yeah, we only deal in
excellence.

931
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,480
Which has really stuck with me
over the past couple of years

932
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,160
specifically because the thing
that I have learned the most in

933
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,280
being freelance in the way that
I am is that I get to choose the

934
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,400
people that I work for.
And I only deal in excellence.

935
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,960
So I only work for the people
that I like, really believe in

936
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,800
the people I want to stand
behind, the people whose morals

937
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,640
and ethics I really align with.
And that's such a joy to be able

938
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,920
to get to choose that.
But I also think like everyone

939
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,720
is dealing with imposter
syndrome.

940
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,280
I, I sat down with a couple of
people recently and had a meal

941
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,720
where we just talked about how
it doesn't matter if you're the

942
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:13,920
executive producer on a show or
if you're a production

943
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,840
assistant.
Everyone has imposter syndrome

944
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,880
and you never think that you
should be in the role you are,

945
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,880
that people trust you with what
they trust you with.

946
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,520
And that's never going to go
away.

947
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,720
So instead of like learning to
fight it, learn to live with it

948
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,360
and embrace the challenges that
you feel faced by with it.

949
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:36,360
And just really know that you
are a badass and you should

950
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,440
stick your head up high and you
should continue to work hard.

951
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,080
And the way that you show up is
seen by others.

952
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,520
So keep showing up the way that
you want to show up.

953
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,200
I often think back to our
elementary school too, Haley,

954
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,120
which we learned the golden rule
so young, but I'm still betting

955
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,840
us so hard, which is just treat
others others want to be treated

956
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,280
like don't yell at someone if
you wouldn't want to be yelled

957
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,920
at.
Don't say stuff to someone that

958
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,760
you wouldn't say to yourself
like.

959
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Yeah, I think I think one of the
things that we both sort of

960
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,120
really strive for both just
between the two of us and really

961
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,120
within our family as a whole is
there's like there's this one

962
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,560
David Bowie quote, which I think
we all really, we talk about a

963
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,240
lot that we all really live by,
which is that whether it's, you

964
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,280
know, professionally, creatively
in, in whatever sort of realm in

965
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,360
which you're looking to excel
and exceed in.

966
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,040
And I'm paraphrasing David here,
but basically it's that you, you

967
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,200
always want to feel like you're
walking in the ocean and your

968
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,440
feet are just barely touching
the sand.

969
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280
You know, as soon as you're
planted down, you're not doing

970
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,720
anything interesting anymore.
You're, you're, you're

971
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,520
comfortable, you're grown.
You got to keep taking those

972
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,480
steps forward so that you're,
you're just kind of your toes

973
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,400
are just kind of barely scraping
the sand.

974
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,040
And I think that we all, we work
really hard to do that.

975
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,680
And that's a really difficult,
difficult lesson to learn.

976
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,640
You know, there are, there are
plenty of people in, in the

977
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,720
world and in the industry who,
who find their niche and they're

978
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,160
really happy there and they're
happy to be grounded there.

979
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:16,880
And we need those people.
But I think that we, we strive

980
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,680
to just keep going, you know,
and I think that creatively,

981
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,680
that's, that's the sort of the
feeling that drives us because

982
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,480
it's scary.
It's it's scary and it's tiring

983
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,440
to keep going.
Ellen and I talk all the time.

984
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,240
We're like, I'm so tired.
I'm tired.

985
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,280
Do I really have to like, do I
have to keep going?

986
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,640
I'm tired.
And it's, we're lucky to have

987
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:44,240
each other and to have to have
John and to have, you know, my

988
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,880
mom and, and my husband Steve,
because between the five of us,

989
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,400
there's always somebody being
like.

990
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,280
Keep.
Going, you know.

991
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,360
Yep.
And of course, the biggest thing

992
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,080
is, you know, being a lady in
the industry, you know, have you

993
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:02,960
seen what changes have you seen
since coming in the, let's say,

994
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,440
admiration for things that you
do because of a lady?

995
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,960
Do you feel like you're treated
differently in any way or, or

996
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,800
does everyone just embrace the
fact and say come on, let's

997
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,160
let's get on with it?
I don't feel treated any

998
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,520
differently because I'm a lady,
but that's because of the realm

999
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,840
of the industry that I work in
is mainly women, women driven

1000
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,120
anyway.
I work for some absolutely

1001
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,360
incredible executive producers,
time producers, stage managers

1002
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,160
who are all women.
Who?

1003
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,640
All celebrate, honor, encourage,
cheerlead women to continue to

1004
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,320
do what they're doing in their
industry.

1005
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,440
I know that Haley is kind of in
a more male dominated.

1006
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,400
Area.
Yeah, Yeah.

1007
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:56,840
I mean, I think that I have, I
personally have been through

1008
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,520
some pretty shit experiences
that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

1009
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:07,280
You know, I when I was when I
was like a member on a on

1010
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,680
certain cruise and stuff, I
would have stage hands that

1011
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,680
would say that they didn't want
to work with me and I would have

1012
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,440
to like bring them to their Stew
and be like, don't know what to

1013
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,720
tell you.
You know, like this this guy

1014
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,160
says he doesn't want to work
with me.

1015
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,720
And you know, I've had
situations where.

1016
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,120
The the compound of being a
woman and also being in a

1017
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,760
position of privilege to be from
a family that that has done

1018
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,720
really well in the industry.
You know, I've had plenty of

1019
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,120
dudes that have come up to me
that have asked me if I'm John

1020
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,440
Featherstone's daughter.
And I've said yes.

1021
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,040
And then they just walk away and
I'm like, my name's Haley, nice

1022
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,080
to meet you.
You know, like all they're

1023
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,520
really interested in it is like
shoving me into that, into that

1024
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,920
box or whatever.
But I think that we have gotten

1025
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:04,120
better about making sure that we
are giving women more, more

1026
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:10,280
positions of, of leadership and
that we're really fostering

1027
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,320
making sure that that women feel
more comfortable coming into the

1028
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,240
industry.
I believe fully and always

1029
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,400
operate from a place that both
for like any, any kind of

1030
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,040
minority in the, in the
industry, you know, women,

1031
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,320
people of color in particular,
that there's enough room for

1032
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,600
everybody at the top.
And if there's an opportunity

1033
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:39,240
for you to stand on my knee to
reach the next level, I am more

1034
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,280
than happy to do that because I
really try to try to recognize

1035
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,760
what, what I'm able to advocate
for and what I'm able to

1036
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,040
facilitate.
And also like the kind of

1037
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,200
privilege that we have
inherently come into the

1038
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,520
industry with.
And using that as sort of like a

1039
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,920
boost to, to help more people.
And, and I honestly think that

1040
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:10,080
when you operate, operate from a
mentality like that, you see or

1041
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,200
acknowledge less of the
discriminatory attitudes that

1042
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:20,640
people have or your empowered by
that mentality in a way that

1043
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,240
allows you to speak up for
people that are maybe not in a

1044
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,200
position to or have not yet
found their voice yet.

1045
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,640
So I think we're getting better.
I don't think we're perfect.

1046
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,280
I think that we need to continue
to elevate the voices of

1047
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,640
different kinds of people in the
industry.

1048
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:45,200
I think we need to continue to
prioritize diverse crews and

1049
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:50,440
diverse leadership, and we'll
get there one day.

1050
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,440
And the big thing is it's being
worked on.

1051
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,680
You know, there are people like
Haley, like DEI groups that are

1052
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,520
in in these larger companies
that are working on making sure

1053
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,480
to outreach to people of color,
to more women, to the younger

1054
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,880
generation to make sure that we
continue to diversify our

1055
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,880
industry moving forward because
people are advocating for it.

1056
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:20,280
People like Haley who really
embody that on site and embody

1057
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,360
that on every tour that they go
on and with the people that they

1058
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,480
choose to surround themselves
with, with the crews that they

1059
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,560
have the opportunity to hire,
are the people that are

1060
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:33,720
perpetuating us forward.
I personally, I don't care what

1061
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,720
you are, male, female, black,
white, I really don't care as

1062
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,560
long as you're good at your job
and you you basically you can

1063
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,520
perform to your highest level.
You're the the best person and

1064
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,520
that you can possibly be.
Yeah, it's when, you know, I, I,

1065
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,720
I have mixed feelings of, you
know, going into this, you know,

1066
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,840
we have to have a woman, we have
to have someone black.

1067
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,440
We have to have a now
transgender.

1068
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,120
I have mixed feelings about this
because it doesn't doesn't

1069
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,840
matter what you are to me.
It's what, how you are and and

1070
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,400
whether you can do the job.
Like I know for me, I couldn't

1071
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:16,760
go in and do, I don't know, off
kind of thing a hanging job from

1072
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:17,760
rigging.
I couldn't do it.

1073
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,120
I've got no upper upper
strength.

1074
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,880
But I'm not saying that you
couldn't do that.

1075
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,560
But if you.
Sure.

1076
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,320
It's making sure that those
people have the tools to be able

1077
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,880
to become the best versions of
themselves and to be able to

1078
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,200
gain the skills and the
knowledge they need to be able

1079
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,160
to take on those positions and
know that they can handle them

1080
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,720
and have Someone Like You trust
them in that position because

1081
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,960
they've been trained properly,
because they've been given the

1082
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,920
opportunities at a lower level
to learn how to be really good

1083
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,120
at those jobs.
That's what we're trying to

1084
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,400
clear the way for.
Discriminate, you know, you

1085
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,440
can't have someone that's old
school.

1086
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,640
That's like, no, no, no, that's,
that's, that's not a that's not

1087
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,040
a woman's job.
Or I know I don't like you

1088
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,080
because you're this, you're
that, you know, that's be where

1089
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,960
the mind is opening up.
So you know, Yeah, you know.

1090
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,240
And I think we have to get
better as an industry about

1091
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,640
providing opportunities for
access to the industry as a

1092
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,760
whole.
You know, I think that depending

1093
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,320
on where you go to school,
depending on where you grew up,

1094
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:23,880
depending on a lot of the times
what, what your access and

1095
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:30,680
availability is to certain types
of programming and, you know,

1096
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,920
classes you can take in, you
know, in, in middle school, in

1097
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,800
high school, whatever that
really is.

1098
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,800
What tends to be sort of like
the cracking open of the door

1099
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,680
into this industry.
And the, the people who have the

1100
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,960
ability to carve those doors out
for people that currently don't

1101
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,680
have them have a, in my opinion,
have a responsibility to do so.

1102
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,600
Because, you know, that's,
that's the, that's the equity

1103
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,720
part of, of the DEI.
You know, we need to, we need to

1104
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,240
make sure that everybody has an
equitable opportunity to come

1105
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,840
into this industry and to
succeed.

1106
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,000
And, and right now we, we don't
do a great job at that.

1107
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,320
There are a lot of people that
are working really hard to make

1108
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,600
sure that we are better at that.
Educational outreach is really

1109
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,960
difficult.
It's a little soul sucking.

1110
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:20,400
Schools tend to be weirdly
difficult to sort of break into.

1111
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,520
You know, everybody wants the
help, but they don't want to, in

1112
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,600
my experience, they don't always
want to cooperate as much with

1113
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,880
people who are like volunteering
their time and stuff.

1114
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,680
But at the end of the day,
that's that's the work that

1115
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:37,760
really matters is, is making
sure we anybody who wants to

1116
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,720
come and do this in a way that
they can have a good career and

1117
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,800
succeed and bring more
interesting and different

1118
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,200
opinions and outlooks and
experience to this.

1119
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,400
I mean, all of us suffer from
not having that, you know, So

1120
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,480
yeah, just working to continue
to provide those those

1121
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:00,920
opportunities for people.
What?

1122
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Advice would you give to, you
know, give to the the next

1123
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,880
generation that's coming into
our industry?

1124
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:14,480
And for me, do you, do you feel
that now it's more open that you

1125
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,760
can have these incredible jobs?
Because before, I mean, OK, I'm

1126
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,680
older than I'm older than you
guys.

1127
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,760
But like, you know, for me, it
wasn't in our school education

1128
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,160
on the careers chart.
You could go off and be a

1129
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,640
lighting designer.
You can go be a production

1130
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,440
manager.
They weren't there.

1131
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,560
So do you feel that now there's
more, more awareness of what

1132
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,280
what we do?
I feel like there are subtle

1133
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,200
ways that it is being integrated
more and more into into college

1134
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,320
specifically and pathways that
we have the opportunity to tap

1135
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,080
into to gain people who are
really knowledgeable about

1136
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,840
certain aspects of this industry
that they don't realize exist.

1137
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,040
I mean, the way that I found out
the production was what I really

1138
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,640
wanted to do was by working with
like the residence hall

1139
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,400
association and by planning like
large scale events with them.

1140
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,200
I didn't even realize that what
I was doing was production.

1141
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,120
And I'm familiar with the
industry.

1142
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,880
So I think that there are ways
that we can tap into it.

1143
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,160
But just like what Haley was
saying, it's really difficult

1144
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,920
sometimes to have schools want
to work alongside you because

1145
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,399
there is this industry is still
so young and there is still so

1146
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,880
many people that are only just
proving themselves that

1147
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,600
sometimes it's difficult to be
like, well, we've been doing

1148
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,880
this for 8 generations.
Well we haven't been, but it's

1149
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,720
still a really cool job and you
could be on generation three if

1150
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,479
you really wanted to ask for
advice for other people.

1151
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,560
I think for people in the
industry, it would be to uplift

1152
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,880
those people that you see that
spark in.

1153
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,359
If I didn't have the people
around me who uplifted me

1154
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,800
because they saw that I was
interested in this in a

1155
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,600
different way than my family is
traditionally interested in it,

1156
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,680
I don't know if I would still be
here.

1157
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:03,479
And I'd say just continue to
talk about it in in rooms that

1158
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,399
it's not traditionally talked
about in.

1159
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:08,560
And continue to tell people how
exciting and how interesting and

1160
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,600
how fascinating your job is,
even on the days that you are

1161
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,080
really, really tired and really,
really soft, really, really fed

1162
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,399
up with what you're doing.
Remind people how cool it is to

1163
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:23,279
see the outcome of the full
project and how rewarding it is

1164
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,560
and how valuable it is to you as
an individual to get to

1165
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,000
experience that fully.
And I want other people to

1166
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,439
experience what I do because I
love it so much.

1167
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,359
It brings me so much joy.
It's probably so many friends,

1168
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,720
so many lifelong memories, that
I want more people to experience

1169
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:46,040
it because of that, even if it's
also exhausting and overboard

1170
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,479
sometimes.
And I'm running on 0%.

1171
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,279
I think a lot of the times it's
stuff like this, Sarah, I think

1172
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:57,600
it's, you know, it's doing
podcasts.

1173
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,680
It's you know, I've said for
ages that I would love nothing

1174
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,080
more than if a bunch of people
in the industry got together and

1175
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,400
did a YouTube video a week and
just explained what their job

1176
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,960
was, you know, and we put that
up and just, it's just like a

1177
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,720
resource for, for people who can
punch in the right keywords and

1178
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,640
get close enough, you know,
like, I don't know a single

1179
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,840
person who doesn't love YouTube
University.

1180
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,440
You know, they taught me how to
recaulk my bathroom.

1181
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:28,040
It's unbelievable that you can
find anything on there, you

1182
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,800
know, but so I mean, I think we
could, we could do.

1183
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,440
So the work that people are
doing both in like the podcast

1184
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:38,960
sphere and with the, with making
more free accessible information

1185
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:43,760
is so important to give people
resources to bridge the gap

1186
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,240
between what they currently love
to do and what is very, a very

1187
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,240
achievable accessible career
path.

1188
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,240
If you know what it's called,
you know, 9 times out of 10,

1189
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,760
when, when we deal with these, I
try to do a lot of educational

1190
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:03,240
outreach.
And these kids, they're so close

1191
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,440
to figuring out what they wanna
do, but they don't have a name

1192
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:08,120
for it.
So how are you supposed to go

1193
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,400
forward if you don't know what
the job's called?

1194
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,160
I mean, it's so common to us,
but in the grand scheme of

1195
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,320
things, it's really niche.
And if you search project

1196
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,880
manager in the Google search or
whatever, you're gonna get like

1197
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,880
a project manager for like a
software company or like a, it's

1198
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,640
like it's just access to what it
is that we actually do that.

1199
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,640
I think people who are doing
that work, it's like it's

1200
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,440
invaluable, you know?
And everyone in the industry

1201
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:38,880
calls it different things right
now.

1202
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,480
So yeah, I think that that's
also complicated.

1203
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:45,600
You know, we need to get to like
true clear terms for what our

1204
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,440
jobs are so that on some
projects, I'm not a PA, even

1205
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:51,280
though I'm a production
coordinator or a project manager

1206
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,800
or whatever that looks like.
You know, coming up with those

1207
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,240
terms.
I was so lucky to have Haley in

1208
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,160
my life who gave me like a list
of what should be in my first

1209
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,920
Pennsylvania kid or what I
should act on my first show site

1210
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,600
or what kind of shoes I should
bring, or the fact that socks

1211
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,560
are actually more important than
your shoes.

1212
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,680
And so I would love to be able
to provide those resources.

1213
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,280
Haley and I often talk about
that YouTube channel, so maybe

1214
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,840
one day we'll start it.
Yeah, it's funny you should say

1215
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,240
that because last year I was
asked just to go.

1216
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,120
I was saying to Ella before he
jumped on Haley that I went on a

1217
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,640
tour.
I was only for it was for a

1218
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,760
week.
It was with Blink 182.

1219
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,560
And I said to Marcel, because
obviously I work remotely from

1220
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,560
here.
I was like, OK, Marcel, can I

1221
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,800
please go?
You know, it's a week, you know,

1222
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,520
I'll make sure all this is done
before.

1223
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,880
And I said, yeah, I'll interview
loads of people and I'll get

1224
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,200
this and I'll get that.
And I really, I had big dreams.

1225
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,160
I was going to get everybody
from that crew to like, you

1226
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,040
know, like, talk of me to do
this, to do that.

1227
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,240
And of course, like, you know, I
was only like, I was like the

1228
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,400
newbie that went in for a week
and everyone was like, yeah,

1229
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,600
what are you like?
I was like someone on a tour 30

1230
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,080
minutes when you're on, when are
you on the bus at the back?

1231
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,080
Just, you know, get out your
little video camera and just

1232
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,480
like say, OK guys, what have you
been up to this time?

1233
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,600
Start like it would be.
But again, isn't something else

1234
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,480
to a busy day.
So you're tired.

1235
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,160
But I love it, ladies really
like.

1236
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,680
I think that is an awesome idea.
Let's do it, Sarah.

1237
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,760
Let's do it.
And I'll be, I'll be the

1238
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,800
interviewer for the whole crew.
Perfect.

1239
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,440
Next next UK leg of of Hans.
We do.

1240
01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:35,240
We'll have you out.
Yeah, seriously, that'd be

1241
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,200
amazing.
The I'm actually, I don't know

1242
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:39,840
if you know this.
I'm actually based in Crete.

1243
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,760
Oh well, I don't know if we'll
be in Crete, Sarah.

1244
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,880
I wish we won't be.
Sadly, I don't think you're

1245
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,640
going to be here.
I think the, well, the closest

1246
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,480
you might get to is Athens.
But yes, I.

1247
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,720
Wish, I wish.
I wish we would.

1248
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,840
Sarah, you live in Crete.
I do, yes.

1249
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:57,760
What?
The hell.

1250
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,480
That's that's why I don't mind
my remote life now so.

1251
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,280
Yeah, that seems all right.
That seems right.

1252
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,000
Ella, Ella and I work with a
technical director sometimes

1253
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,840
who's, who's Greek and he often
times says that he's, he's

1254
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,000
looking out for our for our
Greek house for us.

1255
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,800
So my.
House we're like, oh.

1256
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,800
Yeah, the best decision.
I'd love to.

1257
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,160
Yeah, it's been Yeah.
I just, I love it here.

1258
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,400
I love the place and the people.
And now married to a Greek,

1259
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:27,720
which I never thought that would
happen.

1260
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,240
Fabulous.
Yeah, but ladies, I just got one

1261
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,200
more question.
OK.

1262
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,920
Do you have something, a
project, a show that literally

1263
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,320
you was like, Oh my God, this is
so amazing.

1264
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:48,200
I'm part of or I've directed.
I've like, is there one, just

1265
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,880
one that you've gone like, wow.
Because for me, I was going to

1266
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,160
say this now, when I was like
reading up on Haley and stuff, I

1267
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,880
was like Paul McCartney tour.
It's like, Oh my God.

1268
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,760
Yeah, that was, that was a
pretty cool one.

1269
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,800
I, I have been incredibly lucky
to get on.

1270
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,880
I would say that most of the
major projects I've done in my

1271
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,160
life have been like, holy cow, I
can't believe that I'm here

1272
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:20,840
projects And I really, I credit
like working for upstaging a lot

1273
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,640
with that, you know, real like
access to incredible

1274
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,080
opportunities on incredible
tours and stuff.

1275
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,920
But it's interesting because the
older I get, the more I find

1276
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:38,520
that the projects that that I'm,
I'm able to be like more of a

1277
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,400
creative lead and a creative
director on are the ones that

1278
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,560
mean the most to me because you,
you pour a bit of yours yourself

1279
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,120
into it.
You know, So, I mean, Hans has

1280
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,360
been an incredible opportunity
for, for me and John and our

1281
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,720
programmer, Chris Herman to work
on together.

1282
01:15:54,600 --> 01:16:01,240
It's been honestly like a
pleasure of a lifetime getting

1283
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:06,360
to getting to work on that.
And then, you know, Ella and

1284
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:11,920
Steve and I work on this garden
show at a, at a farm called Fair

1285
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,760
Oaks together every year.
And that is so hard, but it is,

1286
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:22,200
it's so fulfilling because we
get to do it together, you know,

1287
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,960
and that's, I think
opportunities to work with

1288
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,560
people that you love and people
that you're trying to foster a

1289
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:38,680
more future looking and mature
relationship with are are the

1290
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,240
most important, you know.
Yeah, I'd definitely say Fair

1291
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,080
Oaks.
There's a project that we work

1292
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,440
on from start to finish.
We come up with all the creative

1293
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:50,440
for it, Haley, and has had the
opportunity to employ many of

1294
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:52,680
our friends on it, which is
incredible, both in like

1295
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,400
creative realms and design
realms.

1296
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,240
It's been really fantastic.
And last year the two of us got

1297
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,480
to travel to do a show for GE
Healthcare to Singapore

1298
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:03,280
together, which was pretty
incredible.

1299
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,480
To be able to not only go all
the way to Singapore for a show,

1300
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,720
but to do it with my sister and
best friend was really amazing.

1301
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,280
That's really incredible.
Well, thank you so much.

1302
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,400
I know you guys are so busy.
We've been gone over an hour now

1303
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,400
and I've really, really enjoyed
talking to you, hearing about

1304
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:23,640
every.
Quiz.

1305
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,520
Yeah, really.
No.

1306
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,720
Thank you so much.
And you are both incredible

1307
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,960
humans.
And you know what you've

1308
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,560
achieved so far is outstanding
and you know, it's not it's the

1309
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,120
influence from family side
coming up, but you're you're

1310
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,560
where you are now because of
you.

1311
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,200
And that's what thank you.
Incredible.

1312
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,520
So we're just getting going,
Sarah, you better.

1313
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,280
Everybody better watch out for
us.

1314
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:54,240
We'll be, don't worry.
And if you ever end up on this

1315
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,640
side of the island?
Then you will be there you.

1316
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,480
Give me a shout.
I say that to people.

1317
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,760
You better mean that, Sarah.
Because we do.

1318
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:06,720
Because we cut, we come.
Honestly, my door is always open

1319
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,480
and sometimes I'm like, oh, you
did say you did come.

1320
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,720
Well, thank you so much.
This has been great.

1321
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,760
We really appreciate the time
and and getting to chat with you

1322
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,080
has been lovely.
Amazing.

1323
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:32,120
Thank you ladies so much.
La La La La ladies, the ladies.

1324
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:43,680
Now here's the leading ladies by
Geezers of Gear on tour.

1325
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,560
Maybe she got some stories to
share.

1326
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:54,720
Now here's the leading ladies by
the Geezers of Gear, Rockstar

1327
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,800
ladies with some stories to
share.

1328
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:12,800
Because la, la, la, la ladies.
La La, la, la, la ladies.

1329
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:23,720
Yes, she's at high.
Now here's the leading ladies by

1330
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:30,720
Geezers of Gear Rock star ladies
for some stories to share.

1331
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:38,360
Now here's the leading ladies by
the Geezers of Gear on tour

1332
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,440
Ladies.
She got some stories to share.