March 6, 2025
#298 - Ethan Weber
Ethan Weber is a renowned lighting designer and director, best known for his decades-long work with The Rolling Stones and an extensive career spanning U2, John Mayer, Green Day, P!nk, and more. Starting at See Factor in 1984, he joined the Stones in 1994’s Voodoo Lounge Tour, evolving into a key creative force behind their legendary shows.
With a work-hard, ego-free approach, Ethan blends technical expertise with artistic vision, shaping some of the world’s biggest tours. Passionate about giving back, he supports Doctors Without Borders and other charities. His motto? “Never half-ass anything.”
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Hi there, and I just finished
recording episode #298 with
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Ethan Weber.
I think you're really going to
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enjoy this podcast.
Ethan is a legend really.
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You know, he's he's not only
worked with the Stones for the
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last 30 years as their lighting
director, working with Patrick
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Woodruff and team of course, but
he's also done U2, both 360 and
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the Sphere and a lot of other
stuff in between.
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But and a lot of lot of other
shows and just a really super
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nice guy, very interesting guy,
smart and very likable.
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So I hope you enjoy this podcast
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Hello, hello, hello, hello.
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So bit about AI, have you been
paying attention to these price
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and sort of technology wars that
are happening right now?
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You know, basically there's this
company out of China called
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DeepSeek, who I think have been
around for a couple of years.
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I think, you know, building
their technology, which has
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taken some time, but they just
launched in a big way in I
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believe it's around mid-december
last year perhaps.
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And they launched at, as I
recall, 127th of the price of
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competitive services, including
ChatGPT and but with much
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better, a better model overall
and lighter weight too.
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So it used a lot less compute,
which translated into the lower
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costs as well.
Caught everyone by surprise, you
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know, especially their
competitors, I think caught them
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with their pants down a little
bit because it was that much
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cheaper and that much more
powerful and really just took
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the AI world, you know, by
storm.
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And so problematic a bit because
it is a Chinese company, Chinese
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AI company, which means they
basically earn their living on
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taking your data and building
these large language models from
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your data.
And so there's all kinds of
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issues there or concerns.
And also there's some question
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on how they got the the kit from
NVIDIA, because there are laws
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against NVIDIA or you know,
blocks on them being able to
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sell their products into China.
And so they were buying it I
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think through Singapore or
something.
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So anyways, great model I have
used it.
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It's it's fast, it's excellent.
It's very, it uses this thing
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called reasoning, which the cool
thing about it is while like you
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can ask it a really deep
question and then watch it
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figuring that question out,
it'll say the user's asking for
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this.
So I need to go back and look
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for some of this and I need to
look at more of this.
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And like it shows you their
entire sort of strategy and
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their reasoning on coming up
with that answer or those
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answers.
So it really tells you the
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foundation and where those
answers are coming from, which
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is really, really cool.
And it's just a very good model.
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It it works very well, it's
fast, it's again, very
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inexpensive compared to other
models.
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So probably a week later, Open
AI who own ChatGPT launches O3
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and O3 Mini, which are their
latest versions and O3 Mini
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claimed by Open AI to be better
than Deep seeks R1 and at
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similar pricing.
Unfortunately, from what I hear
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anyways, it's not similar
pricing.
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It's still much higher, but a
lot lower than where they were
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with their four O model.
So basically Open AI claimed to
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leapfrog over top of DeepSeek.
It's certainly dampened a lot of
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the noise because basically when
DeepSeek launched again, because
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they used a lot less of these
NVIDIA boards or NVIDIA pieces,
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it NVIDIA stock tanked like it
caused NVIDIA to lose.
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I can't remember, I own NVIDIA
stock, but it was like, I don't
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remember 20 percent, 15% in one
day.
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And so, you know, that's again
the big reason why their why
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their price was so low.
So anyways, a week after after
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open AI launched their model,
which again really rattled the
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industry in the market and it
really sort of tamed down all
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the deep sick noise.
Elon launches his new Grok 3
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model And prior to Grok 3, I
don't think very many people
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were paying attention to Grok.
I was I was using it for
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especially for writing.
I just found it to be a little
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less boring, it less dry than
Chat GPTA little more fun.
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And so but people really weren't
using it.
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Most people were using ChatGPT
and then a lot of people were
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using DeepSeek and ChatGPT.
And all of a sudden Grok 3 comes
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out and it's better than
DeepSeek and at a very, very
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comparable price to DeepSeek.
And suddenly Grok 3 is a player
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and a major player.
Like they're just taking over
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all kinds of things.
And so a week after that,
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suddenly Clod Anthropic, a Clod
comes out and claims to jump
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over Grok 3, which I don't know
and I'm still using Grok 3.
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So I don't know if Clod is
better.
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I haven't tried it yet.
And so it's just been this
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battle, and I mean, we're
talking about companies that are
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in investing 10s of billions of
dollars in building these
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models, not small amounts of
money.
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And they're just popping them
out like popcorn right now.
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So it, it's a pretty wild time
in, in the AI world right now.
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And Speaking of Grok, I, I found
a, a pretty cool story about a
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guy, a developer, 1 developer
who created a video game using
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entirely Grok, entire Grok
created the entire game in less
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than 3 hours.
The server code was written
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entirely by Grok and and then
they basically the guy put this
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out to the market and he made
$20,000, almost $20,000 in about
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a week in revenue on this
product that was entirely
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created by AI.
So to me, what this shows is
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sort of this transformative
potential in creative industries
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for AI and ours being one of
those industries.
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And so I know our industry hates
AI.
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We love to talk about how it's
going to cause the demise of
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everyone's jobs and all of these
things.
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But I think if we can look at it
from another direction, so this
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guy was a game developer and he
entirely used AI to make $20,000
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in a week.
So if you look at it where let's
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say the show that you were going
to program was going to take
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you, you know, 4 weeks to
program or three weeks to
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program or whatever.
And now you could do that in a
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day or two because AI is doing
much of the heavy lifting for
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you and you're just pushing AI
to do the things that you want
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it to do.
It's an interesting thought, but
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also I like the idea that it
really does sort of lower the
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barrier that sort of enables
this, this wave of innovation.
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And I think there's an
opportunity that we are going to
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see products created by AI.
We're going to see tech created
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by AI, excuse me, directly in
our industry.
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And that's exciting to me.
So more to come, but that's my
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take, my hot take for today on
AI.
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I'm out of water, so today's
guest Ethan Weber is a renowned
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lighting designer and director
best known for his decades long
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work with the Stones and an
extensive career spanning U2,
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John Mayer, Green Day, Pink and
many more.
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Pardon me.
Starting at C Factory in 1984,
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Ethan joined the Stones in 1994
on the Voodoo Lounge tour,
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evolving into a key creative
force behind those legendary
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shows for geez, 30 years now.
With a work hard, ego free
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approach, Ethan blends technical
expertise with artistic vision,
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shaping some of the world's
biggest tours.
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Passionate about giving back, he
supports Doctors Without Borders
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and other charities.
His motto?
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Never half ass anything.
I like it.
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Please welcome Ethan Weber.
Ethan Weber, How are you?
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I'm.
Great.
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How are you, Marcel?
I'm doing well, thanks.
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Good to see you.
Thank you too.
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You you've had a busy, busy
couple of years.
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Like who knew that you know 80
year old artists could keep you
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busy?
Yeah.
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I mean, we, we said I think 90.
I started with Keith in 92 or
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9394.
After that tour, we said, oh,
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this has got to be the last one.
And, you know, 30 years later,
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we're still saying, is this it
or is this not?
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Yeah.
That's wild, isn't it?
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It's wild like you.
You and Cosmo seem to just be
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kind of hanging on to the to
that, you know?
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Yeah, Like, please stay healthy.
Please.
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You know, Cosmos got ACDC again
this year, which is which is
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incredible.
You know?
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I mean, I remember when I
unwrapped the Back in Black
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album thinking, you know, these
guys will be cool for the next 5
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or 10 years, right?
Like, who knew?
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You know, this was this was
probably 1980 or something.
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But but yeah, the Stones just
blow my mind.
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We were just talking about it
before we started recording, but
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mix just his commitment overall
to to fitness and I don't know
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about health, but probably
health and.
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Yeah, everything all.
Of that, it's just mind blowing,
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you know, And you were saying he
doesn't even have any arthritis.
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No, no arthritis seems to what?
Is he now 82, right?
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81 or 82?
I'm not sure.
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I think probably 81.
Yeah.
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And Keith, Keith as well, you
know, they're all amazing.
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Just yeah, I think it's safe to
say we'll we'll never see
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anything like it again,
probably.
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I can't imagine, although you
know, I'm a huge hockey fan and
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and football fan and these
people just keep getting older
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and older because of just
advancements in in health and
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fitness and and medicine and all
of the things that, you know,
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create longevity.
So, so, you know, I obviously
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love to start way early in one's
career, especially Someone Like
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You who's done so many
interesting and incredible
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things and you've done it for a
while.
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And you know, there's usually
sort of a, a common thread among
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some of the great designers and,
and creatives in our industry.
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And it either starts as a
musician or a DJ or just some
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fluky moment.
But it generally wasn't, you
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know, a more official or
conventional type of training or
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schooling.
So what was your excuse?
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I mean, I, I think, I think
those of us who started kind of
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earlier on, it was more a case
of just falling into it.
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I was I was AI was a production
manager at my my school, my
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college, following in the
footsteps of Abby Rosenholmes.
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And I was playing in in a shitty
little punk rock band and we
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moved to New York after
graduation and and called up I
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needed a job.
Called up Abby, she said come in
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to see Factor and that was it.
And then kind of gave up my
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musical career because it was a
lot more fun to go on tour.
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Yeah, well, plus he were
probably making a little bit
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more money too, which.
This was C, This was C factor
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which was probably $4.00 an hour
and I think 200 two $100 a week.
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Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Yeah.
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So playing in a punk rock band
might have been more lucrative
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than working for Bob.
Yeah.
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But you know what though it it,
it still blows my mind how many
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amazing people came through C
Factor like Bob was.
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Bob was a breeding ground for
for a lot of really great people
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in our industry.
Yeah, he, you know, he taught us
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to do things hopefully the right
way.
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And he was a, a merciless
taskmaster.
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You know, they, they call, we
used to call him the Miracle
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Minute.
It'd be 12:00 at night.
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You've been working since 9:10
AM.
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And he'd come down and want to
rearrange the shop and clean,
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clean up the shop.
And it was, I don't know, he
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made us, he made us all all a
bit tougher, I think, because of
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this.
Yeah, it wasn't easy, but but it
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it probably played because I
mean the longevity of so many of
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the people that came through
there and the quality of the
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people that came through there.
Obviously sometimes, you know,
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that sort of militant training
is, is helpful, I guess to
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creating strong people.
So yeah.
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So you you how old were you when
you started at C Factor?
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I must have been.
I think I was 24.
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Oh, OK.
It would have been September
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1984, I think.
So I was kind of towards the
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tail end of the the glory days.
Yeah, yeah.
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But still significant.
And so how long did how long did
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you stay there?
Was there 9 or 10 years?
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Wow, that's a run.
Yeah.
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So I probably it's kind of like
dog ears like 9 or 10 years.
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There is probably like 60 years
anywhere else I think.
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It's kind of true.
Yeah, it's kind of true.
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You know, though I, I think of
all the moving light salespeople
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back in the 90s, I was probably
one of the few who really,
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really liked Bob.
Like, I just, Bob and I had a
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special relationship where he'd
call me on a Sunday night at
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8:00 and I'd hang up the phone
at 10, you know, And it wasn't
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anything about necessarily even
buying or selling or, or pricing
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on lights or anything like that.
It was either industry talks or
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just talks on life or, or
things, you know, that were
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going wrong in his life or in
his work or whatever or mine.
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It was just a special
friendship.
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Yeah.
You know.
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Different.
One of the rare, rare few, I
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think.
But you know, I used to, there
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was a period when I left where
I'd go back to, I'd run into him
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somewhere and he wouldn't even
talk to me.
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He wouldn't shake my hand
anything.
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And really, and I, I was talking
to Michael Ahern and who was
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best friends with him.
Michael used to be the Stones
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production manager for years.
And Michael said, you know, he
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said, you guys are like our
kids.
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He said when you leave the home,
we're, we're, we're hurt by it.
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And eventually, you know, that
eventually I'd go to New York,
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I'd call a Bob and we'd always
go out and have lunch and we'd
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sit there for, you know, 4
hours, same thing, just
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chatting.
And it was great to see them
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and.
Yeah.
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And interesting about. 12 Diet
Cokes later, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah no, I, I definitely, he was
one of the guys that I, I was
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sad when he left and and I miss
him still in some weird way, you
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know, just because, you know, I
love the characters of our
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industry.
I don't like, you know, I don't
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necessarily love all the
business people or the even some
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of the private equity guys and
all this stuff that are behind
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it now, but but I love the
characters and there's still a
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few left, not as many as there
used to be, at least on that
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side of things on the vendor
side, but you're.
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Right.
It is dwindling, but I mean,
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that's that's the reason half of
us not necessarily got in the
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business, but stayed in the
business because everybody was,
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you know, everybody was a bunch
of misfits who somehow figured
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out ways to make it work and.
Right.
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And be be successful and yeah,
interesting people to hang out
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with and chat with.
Yeah.
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So when you started at C Factor
where you just like a shop guy
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wrapping cable and and pushing
Rd. cases around?
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Or did you immediately go out
and start touring?
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Well, back back then, you would,
yeah.
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You'd start off in the shop.
I think I was in the shop for
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maybe a month.
Yeah.
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And then and then they ship you
out and that's it.
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Once you're out, you're out
there wasn't I think your.
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First tour.
I went out and replaced somebody
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on Rush for a few weeks and then
I can't remember what from
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there, but I did a bunch of Rush
tours, Neil Diamond tours and
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yeah.
How?
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How was how was the
indoctrination into touring
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working under Mr. Ungerleider
it?
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Was I love Howard?
Me too.
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He had his own way.
And yeah, hard to describe, but
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it was it was great.
Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
Now he's he's to this day, he's
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still a, you know, great friend
and a really fun dude.
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Like just a great guy to, to
just sit around and goof around
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with and drink Bloody Marys with
or Caesars.
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Depends if you're in Canada or
the US.
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But yeah.
So that's a good way to start on
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Rush.
And by then they were pretty big
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too.
Yeah, I think my my first load
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in the somebody had to go home.
There was a death in the family
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or something.
So my first load in they said,
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they said I was in the shop.
They said go pack your bags and
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and and go to Madison Square
Garden.
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So here I am, some little kid
walking in right in the middle
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of the of a big rush sold out
rush show at Madison Square
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Garden.
That kind of opened your eyes a
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little bit.
No kidding.
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Yeah.
Your friends must have been a
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little bit jealous at the time,
you know?
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Yeah.
So, you know, what are some of
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the other?
Like I said, so many great
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people went through C Factor,
but I don't know the timing of
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it all.
Like, you know, to be perfectly
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honest, I forgot all about Abby
being at C factor.
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I completely spaced on that.
But who else was around when you
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were there that's still like out
there today?
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Well, how many?
Well, Michael Weiss is one of
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the, yeah, probably more well
known ones.
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He was, he's now production
managing.
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So Abby was there.
Jack Funk, who was doing
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Dashboard Confessional for
years, Eddie Mutiko, Eddie Duda.
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Oh my, mine wasn't there yet.
Right.
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Was that after?
He he was there.
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He was there towards the end of
my stint there.
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Right.
And probably same with Craig
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Caserta.
Yeah, Craig was was towards the
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end of, not just after.
And Looney.
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Looney was there briefly.
Yeah, so they were all.
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Sort of later, yeah.
They were all later in the 80s
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and stuff.
No, just a a great breeding
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ground like them and and maybe
upstaging and obviously
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verilite.
A lot of people came through
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verilite, But so you connected
with the stones pretty early,
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right?
Oh, 94, I think you.
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Said 92.
I started with Keith.
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So this all, you know, the
whole, not only was Bob a great
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teacher, but back then he, he
had pretty wide range of, of, of
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clients or tours.
So I met Michael Ahern pretty
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early on and we met Dave Russell
and Al Santos and Patrick
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Woodruff and you know, and so
Michael Ahern, we were fairly
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close and I saw that Keith
Richards tour was coming up and
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I knew Michael was probably
involved.
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So I called him up and and
started off as a crew chief and
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then they fired the LD and I
took over from that and then
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that led ended up all the Stones
things.
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Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.
Yeah.
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So when was that?
What caused you to leave C
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factor going with the stones or
how did that all go down?
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No, it was just, it was time.
It just you know.
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Make it making $300.00 a week
working 100 hours and and the.
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Young man's job, Yeah.
Yeah, and I, I've never minded
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the hours.
I love the hours, but at some
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point you've, you've kind of
started making a little bit, a
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little bit of money living,
living in New York.
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City get it?
Yeah, I get it, I get it.
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So, you know, I hate to dwell on
the stones, but I'm, I'm always
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curious, you know, you, you when
you started with the stones,
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they were obviously still in
arenas and stuff, right?
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Or or had they already been?
Stadiums.
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Stadiums, yeah.
And I started off as I started
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off as a crew chief this patch.
One of the consoles he was he
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was using Dave Hill was was the
director using the, you know,
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the bearer light console,
whatever it was called?
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Yeah, I think it was pre
virtual.
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Before the virtuoso.
Yeah, yeah.
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Pre virtual and then he was
there was he was using a
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Telescan desk and also the Hog 1
and I was an APO guy.
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So Patrick said well, you know,
I want you on the tour because
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of my relationship with Keith
and his manager, I think and
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said what about doing the crew
chief chiefing job?
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I said, you know, I don't I'll
do anything.
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I just want to do the songs.
So yes.
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Right, right.
And then, yeah.
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So then after, you know, yeah,
then there was a progression of
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tours and Dave kind of retired
to be Stay home and and Sparky,
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Mark Risk and I Sparky was
running the Icon console and I
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was running an A bow out there.
And then eventually after a tour
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or two of that, we went down to
1 council and Patrick had
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offered it to Peso.
So that's, that's an interesting
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relationship and very long one
too between you and Patrick.
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Yeah.
What?
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What's that dynamic like, you
know, as far as designer,
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director, you know, do you have
a lot of input on the design?
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I would assume so.
Generally, I mean, Patrick is
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more of the the overall show
designer now, production
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designer, right?
Terry, Terry Cook from his
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office will work with Patrick
and they'll come up with the
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concept and the lights and, you
know, then they'll send out a
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they'll send a plot around.
And I mean, because of my
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history with the band, I know
there's certain things that I
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feel are really important and
just for my own well-being out
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there.
Yeah.
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The the, you know, the the one
comment that has had over the
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last few years is he's having
trouble.
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Can't see, see the audience as
well.
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So the the mobile lights and
audience like that's something I
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usually kind of.
Yeah.
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That's important to fight for,
but it's really.
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Yeah.
And that's the one, the one note
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I'll I'll get because, you know,
he's got, well, now he's got
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four of the new, you know, Roby
spotlights in his eyes.
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So yeah, of course he's going to
have trouble seeing.
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But so you know what?
We'll talk about the design,
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some of it to listen to me,
some, you know, but generally,
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generally, you know, Terry,
really between Terry and
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Patrick, they really get it
right.
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And then once we get out to, to
programming, you know, I have, I
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have a lot of leeway in that,
but Terry and I'll sit, sit and
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program.
He doesn't necessarily tell me
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what to do, but we talk about
it.
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There's a, there's a lot of
creative freedom in there.
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And then once we're out on tour,
it's all me and Petricho.
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Petricho come in and he'll,
he'll make some notes and all.
444
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,760
But like I said, he's generally
more involved in the overall and
445
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,440
the and the video content now
'cause I think by now he trusts
446
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080
us to, Yeah.
Yeah, I would.
447
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,000
I would guess so. 30 years.
Kind of helps.
448
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,240
You some yeah, it buys you some
respect that just that kind of
449
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,600
dynamic like when you've got,
you know, sort of hands off
450
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,320
designers and then you've got
programmer director on the other
451
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,680
side, you know, like Peter
Morse's team usually or or
452
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Patrick or some of these
designers who don't really get
453
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,440
on the console anymore or maybe
never did in in some of their
454
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440
cases.
It's always an interesting
455
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,520
dynamic because I think it would
be very easy to sort of overstep
456
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,480
right like to to, you know, step
on somebody's ego or whatever
457
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,160
you want to call it.
And so I've always been curious
458
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,720
to, you know, the different sort
of versions of that dynamic,
459
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,520
that relationship.
Yeah, I mean Patrick's, Oh, he's
460
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880
he's great.
He's amazing as is, as is Terry.
461
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:02,560
You know, they let you, I don't
know, they, they definitely let
462
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,240
you have free reign over a lot
of, a lot of things.
463
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,840
You know, they'll make certain
comments.
464
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,680
My, my running joke with Terry
is he'll suggest something.
465
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,240
I'm like, and I'll say, Terry,
you know, I'm just going to
466
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,520
change it when you're gone
anyway.
467
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,120
So we might as well do it my
way.
468
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,840
And it's kind of a running joke.
But you know, it's also nice
469
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,040
because most the stuff that I
design, I like programming my
470
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,880
own shows because to me it's the
whole process and, and I enjoy
471
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,600
the programming part, but it's
nice when I do my own stuff.
472
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120
It's all solitary and it's it's
nice to have somebody there to
473
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,880
bounce ideas off of.
Right, right.
474
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,440
You know, I always say like.
That does Patrick ever come out
475
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640
to a show like, you know, a
little bit down the line on the
476
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,480
tour and and say, Ethan, what
the hell did you do?
477
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,240
You know this isn't what we
talked.
478
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,600
About no, I think there was no.
There was one one song we did
479
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,280
years ago where I had this
whatever my idea for for the
480
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,760
chorus and and we ran at the
first show and that one of his
481
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960
notes was like, you know, what
was that?
482
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,680
And I said, yeah, you know, This
is why I did.
483
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600
He said, I get it, but you know,
I'm not.
484
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Patrick is always very, he's
polite and always very positive.
485
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,800
So it's never what did what did
what the hell did you just do?
486
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,840
It was yeah, I got it.
But, you know, let's take a
487
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,280
season else.
He's also quite humble, like I,
488
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,960
you know, one time I was in the
UK, this is probably, I don't
489
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,240
know, 20 years ago, maybe more
than 20 years ago.
490
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:43,440
And I went with my now ex-wife
who worked for a record company.
491
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,600
And I was going with her 'cause
she had done a contest with
492
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Coldplay and they were playing
it at their old college or
493
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,280
whatever, Oxford I think it was.
And, and they were playing in
494
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,040
the, in the schoolyard
basically.
495
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,280
So, you know, they just set up
fences and barricades and stuff
496
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,480
around this schoolyard and, and
sold a bunch of tickets.
497
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080
And I don't know, I think it was
40,000 people or something in
498
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,600
this school field for Coldplay.
And she flew over with a bunch
499
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,640
of contest winners.
And and so I was walking, I
500
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
think because I was kind of
bored doing her record things,
501
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,320
so she gave me a laminate and I
went out and talked with the
502
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,640
production people and stuff at
front of house.
503
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,280
And, and I was walking back and
I see Patrick sitting on a
504
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,760
blanket with his family, you
know, snacking on carrots or
505
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,680
something.
And I said, Patrick and he goes,
506
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,520
oh, Marcel, how you doing mate?
And I said, I'm good.
507
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,360
You know what?
What are you doing here on a
508
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
blanket?
And he says, I'm just a punter,
509
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
you know, I'm, I'm just watching
the show.
510
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,880
I love Coldplay.
And I said, well, you don't have
511
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
credentials.
And he said no, no, we bought
512
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
tickets.
And I said, hang on a second.
513
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,240
So I just went back and talked
to somebody and got like 4 silk
514
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,120
passes for him or something, you
know?
515
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,800
And just said come on, you know?
And so, but he was just so
516
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,520
humble about it.
Like, it's incredible.
517
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Yeah, he's great and he'll talk
to anybody.
518
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,760
And you know, it's not talking
about himself.
519
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,320
He's generally interested and
other people and what they have
520
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,600
to say and.
Right, Yeah, that's cool.
521
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,280
He's he's definitely a legend.
He is a legend, Mr. Woodruff.
522
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:35,680
So other other acts that are
notable that you've worked with,
523
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,920
I'm seeing kind of a list here.
Obviously you too.
524
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,280
I'm aware of that one.
But tell me a little bit about
525
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520
that, I guess.
Were you involved in the sphere
526
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320
as well?
Yes.
527
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Yeah.
Cool.
528
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,720
I was very cool.
The sphere was obviously
529
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,880
Willie's genius and and then
Alex Murphy.
530
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:05,200
So I'd done 360 with Willie and
Alex and then Alex was calling
531
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,600
spots and running smoke,
etcetera.
532
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,360
And and this tour, this tour I
did all the OR the sphere.
533
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,800
I did all the key lighting.
Yeah.
534
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,880
For with it.
Yeah, interesting.
535
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,360
Was that like one of the weirder
gig you've ever done?
536
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
It was interesting, you know,
because we that was the first
537
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,280
show in there.
So while we're rehearsing, we
538
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,400
had two months in there while
they're still building the place
539
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,679
and and trying to do their
movie.
540
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,280
It was it was an amazing
experience.
541
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,480
I mean, all the way around work,
working with Willie is always,
542
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,639
always great.
You know, he's, he's a very,
543
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,320
very clever man and some of the
stuff he does is, it's amazing.
544
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,800
Well, watching some of that
video content coming together
545
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,040
too had to be had to be fun, you
know, just because it's just
546
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,920
like as long as you've been
doing this and as many
547
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,640
incredible, huge, massive,
wonderful shows you've done,
548
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,520
there's just nothing like the
sphere.
549
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,480
It's it's a one off, you know,
Yeah.
550
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,480
Yeah, and I, and we knew we went
for a, a demo at the, the little
551
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Mini sphere in Burbank, right?
I had some of the content and
552
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640
we're sitting there and they
started running the content.
553
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,000
And even though it was whatever
the scale was like, wow, this is
554
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,520
going to be amazing.
And it was after after 40 shows
555
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,000
and however many rehearsals I
never ever got tired of.
556
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Really.
Of anything about the show,
557
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,720
yeah, always look, look forward
to it and just really enjoyed
558
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,320
it.
Yeah, I had Jake, Jake on and we
559
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
talked about it for a while.
And you know, one of my things
560
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,560
I'm, I'm now granted, I didn't
see it, but like when I saw a
561
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,320
video of the U2 shows, one of
the problems I was having is
562
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,200
because the video is so insane.
I had a hard time finding Bono.
563
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Yeah, like I couldn't find the
band.
564
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,240
I'm watching YouTube videos
going sounds amazing.
565
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,360
The video's incredible, but
where's the band?
566
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,800
Like, I can't find the band.
And of course, that's nothing
567
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,720
about the lighting at all.
That's just what, Yeah.
568
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,280
Thanks.
Just to show me down the river,
569
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,800
yeah.
No, but that's what you get with
570
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,800
the sphere that you can't, you
can't compete with the video
571
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,520
obviously.
You just can't forget it so.
572
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,080
I always, I always said you, you
should see a show.
573
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,800
Sorry, you should see a the show
twice, once you, you watch the
574
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,880
video and then the second time
you look at the true Yeah.
575
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,960
You know, the, the best seats in
the house I think are, are like
576
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,640
the, the 300 level back behind
us, 'cause you get the whole
577
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,280
view.
I went and saw the Eagles there.
578
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
OK.
I, I think was, was spent during
579
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,040
LDI weekend.
Yeah.
580
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,040
And, and we were sitting down
lower and it was interesting
581
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,480
'cause it was a, a different
perspective from from where I
582
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,960
watched the show for, you know,
however many months, 'cause
583
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,440
lower the Pam was more of a
presence, 'cause they're right
584
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560
in front of me, obviously,
right.
585
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,000
So maybe, maybe the idea as you
see it twice, once from from
586
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560
midway up and once from from
down close.
587
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,040
Right.
Yeah, No, that makes sense.
588
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,960
Well, and I think it's also
like, again, the Eagles is
589
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,760
another one that I just, you
know, I love the Eagles, but I'd
590
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,240
rather see them in a theatre or
something than than in the
591
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,840
sphere.
Whereas like fish or or that
592
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Grateful Dead thing you'd rather
see in the sphere, you know,
593
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,240
because they're very visual.
Pink Floyd would be amazing in
594
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,280
the.
Sphere, obviously.
595
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Incredible.
Hopefully that happens, like
596
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
hopefully somebody's throwing
bazillions of dollars.
597
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Around to get their Floyd, Yeah.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
598
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,400
You know, I mean, one of the one
of the brilliant things Willie
599
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,400
did was there was, was the
section in the middle where they
600
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,280
would change.
That was one part of the setlist
601
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,880
that would change from night to
night.
602
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,320
And you know, it turned into
here's the band.
603
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,600
It's about the band and about
the stage, which, you know, had
604
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,160
the algorithm that color that it
picked its own color.
605
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,920
So there was really minimal
stuff on the on the screen then.
606
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,200
So at least it was that moment
of in the middle where, all
607
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
right, here's the band stop
looking at the screen.
608
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,480
Yeah, yeah.
So obviously you 2 and and and
609
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,360
stones, you know, being massive
where you were director
610
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,360
programmer, but what about some
of the what what about some of
611
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,600
the design tours that you've
done like notable stuff?
612
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,720
Well, I, I did a few tours with
designing Green Day, semi
613
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,400
chemical romance stuff.
I spent eight years or so with
614
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,720
Lou Reed.
I did some Bob Dylan.
615
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,000
I had a, a decent little design
thing going.
616
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
And then, you know, I always
say, well, I'm not sure if the
617
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,560
stones was the best thing that
happened to me or the worst
618
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
thing 'cause I always made
myself available for it.
619
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,880
But I don't, you know, I
wouldn't change a thing.
620
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,880
It's been amazing.
And of course, I'm not one who
621
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,480
really dwells on titles like I
don't, I don't care if you know
622
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,400
I, I know my part in it.
I know that whatever it is, a
623
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,120
large part of the visuals, you
know, Hopefully I've had some
624
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,160
something to do with it.
Huge, huge, yeah.
625
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,280
Hopefully.
Well, I mean, who wouldn't want
626
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,600
to be sitting at the desk every
night when, you know, stadium
627
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,400
lights go down And, yeah, it's
amazing, you know, start me up
628
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,080
or whatever it is that they
start with.
629
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,720
You know, it's like, whoa, it's
going to be cool every single
630
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,840
time.
I always say like my kids, my
631
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,480
kids are 1212 and 14 and they've
seen a bunch of stone shows and
632
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,600
I always, they come out, they, I
take them out front right before
633
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,440
the show.
You know, they always sit on my
634
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,880
rise or, or unless they're
running around God knows where
635
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
during the show.
But but I always tell them I'm
636
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,080
like, this is one of the best
things in my about my job when I
637
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,800
walk out and I always walk out
from stage, right, Unless it's
638
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,560
impossible.
To walk out from backstage into
639
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:26,760
a stadium full of people who are
just, you know, on up up here
640
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,680
waiting for The Rolling Stones.
Or you 2 or something, 40 or 50
641
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,000
years, these people you know?
Yeah, it's the mostly exciting
642
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,720
thing.
Yeah.
643
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,480
And you never take, never take
it for granted, you know, make
644
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360
never, never puts in less than
100%.
645
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,360
I I feel the same way.
Yeah, I love that.
646
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,760
Like, I, I obviously you can go
out and see some bands who just
647
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,520
kind of sit there and play the
songs and, or sometimes they
648
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,680
actually even sit like they've
got a chair on stage and stuff.
649
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Like, you know, OK, they still
sound great, but I can sit at
650
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,080
home and, and, you know, listen
to, yeah, listen to the album or
651
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,200
whatever.
I, I don't need to, you know, go
652
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,760
pay $75.00 for parking to watch
people play the album.
653
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,360
But you know, to see Mick and,
and you know, Steven Tyler, who,
654
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,760
you know, obviously struggles
with some things, but he's still
655
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,800
a rock star.
When he does go out and gig, he
656
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,760
doesn't mail it in.
He, he puts in, he puts on a
657
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,880
rock show.
You know, I love those people.
658
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Like I, you know, all of those,
you know, guys who are in their
659
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,280
70s and 80s now who are like
just still killing it out there.
660
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,080
I love it.
It's so good.
661
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
So we were talking, we were
talking before we started like
662
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,440
some of the, some of the massive
things that both you and I, I
663
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,080
think we're similar age have
seen in our industry, you know,
664
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,280
being that we're a little older
than than some of the people in
665
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,760
it today.
You know, I got to be there when
666
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,120
moving lights started.
And you know, I, I love that.
667
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Like I, I wasn't out doing
shows, I was selling stuff when
668
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,520
moving lights started.
And, and so I jumped on that
669
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,280
bandwagon.
I said, hey, these things might
670
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,360
stick around.
I'm going to learn all about
671
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,040
them and go out and become an
account executive selling moving
672
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,440
lights.
And, but you know, so many
673
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,120
people now just take it all for
granted.
674
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,240
Like, you know, it's like, hey,
we all have these massive
675
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,600
digital consoles with a
bazillion universes on them and
676
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,120
you know, all these pre
programmed effects and all this
677
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,720
stuff like and we all have 1000
moving lights on every show.
678
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,000
You know, like what you
obviously did shows when there
679
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,040
weren't moving lights on them,
I'm guessing.
680
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Yeah, Parkins spent, you know,
and I actually recently did, I
681
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,040
did a short Iggy Pop run and
there was a very limited budget
682
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,440
for lighting.
And this was one of the best
683
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
things I've ever done, by the
way, Iggy Pop, just to be able
684
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,280
to watch him for how?
For many shows we did.
685
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Yeah.
So I mean.
686
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,200
I I was furry left his shirt on
at this point in his life.
687
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,840
But but other than that, like as
a performer.
688
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,280
Wow, that guy just blows my
mind.
689
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,520
Yeah, you get to the end of the
show and like that, that was
690
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,760
only, you know, 80 minutes.
And then you look at the set
691
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,640
list, you're like, that was 20
songs in 80 minutes.
692
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,400
You know, we Stones do 1920
songs over two 2 1/2 hours, but
693
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,880
so we had a a fairly limited
lighting budget.
694
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
I I had enough to bring out a
few floor lights and then we
695
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,640
used house lights everywhere and
there was somewhere where they
696
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,720
didn't have any lights.
So we brought a system and I
697
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,520
designed a nice, you know,
moving light rig and money came
698
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,200
the the quote came in.
It was a bit more than they
699
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,280
wanted to spend.
And I talked to the manager.
700
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,600
I'm like, hey, do you mind if
I'd like to just do a, a park
701
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,560
hand show, No color bars?
No, no color show.
702
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,480
He's like, yeah, so.
Old school.
703
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,720
Yeah, so PRG scraped the bowels
of their warehouse.
704
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,840
I was in there something while
they were prepping it and I was
705
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,920
telling the guy say, can you
make sure that all the bottles
706
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,320
are up and down stage and like
looked at me like what are you
707
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,840
talking about?
Anyway, so I did an old color
708
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,720
show.
I did have one, one circuit of
709
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,440
red.
Forgive me danger.
710
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,200
And afterwards the manager came
up.
711
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,360
He's he just said with a smile
on his face.
712
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,960
He said, I just want to thank
you.
713
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,400
I said it has been so long since
I've seen a par can show and it
714
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440
was amazing, you know, to see
those lights again.
715
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,800
Were you running Park Hands on
an MA3 console though or?
716
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,520
MA2 I'm still I'm still MA two.
Yeah, but I should have.
717
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,160
That's funny, yeah.
I mean, it'd be funny though if
718
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,320
you rented a, an expression two
or something and brought that in
719
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,920
to Run Park hands on or a an old
Ava or whatever, you know?
720
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Yeah, yeah, that would have been
fitting.
721
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Yeah, I mean, again, it's same
with sound.
722
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,280
Like by the way, I, you know, I
have a, a few guys like I, I
723
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,960
kind of grew up with, do you
know Jim Yakoboski, front of
724
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,280
house guy.
No.
725
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,440
He's done loads of different
stuff.
726
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,240
He now works for Solo Tech, but
he's been a front of house guy
727
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,840
for years and years and years.
But he, I come from Calgary,
728
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,960
Canada and he was a club club
sound guy working for club bands
729
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,840
in, in Canada, rock bands.
And like he could take these old
730
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,120
sound systems with JBLW bins and
45 sixties and these like
731
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,400
stacked, really junky sound
systems and just make them sound
732
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,400
incredible.
And then he could go on to these
733
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
new Martin Audio.
They called them the phase plug
734
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680
systems.
And he could go on to those and
735
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
make them sound incredible.
And now I've heard them with
736
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,960
line arrays making them sound
incredible.
737
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,600
You know, a great, a great, you
know, engineer or a great person
738
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,880
at the console or at the
controls should be able to make
739
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,320
anything sound good or look
good, right?
740
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,440
And you know, the ability to
make it look great.
741
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,240
Like, you know, one example also
was when, when Brickman showed
742
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,760
up with Neil Young at I think it
was Coachella with 16 follow
743
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,480
spots and that's it.
That was the lighting rig and
744
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,080
they went where, where's your
lights?
745
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,800
You know, this is it.
This is our Lights 16 follow
746
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,320
spots.
You know, I love that stuff.
747
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,080
I love that stuff.
You know, one one of the yeah, I
748
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,480
mean, so, you know, I hate to
get into conversations where it
749
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,080
sounds like, you know, these
kids these days 'cause there's
750
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,840
so many talented young up and
coming people in our industry
751
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,840
who are just doing incredible
things.
752
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,040
But the toolbox is so much more
full today than it was, you
753
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,400
know, back in the day, like we
tend to say way too often.
754
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Yeah, but I, I mean, I always
say it was back then it was a
755
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,240
lot harder design to design your
rig.
756
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,000
You know, that's what really
took the time because you had to
757
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,080
get placements, right.
You had to get fixtures, whether
758
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,920
they're Litcos or Pars or
Fernells, it get all that in the
759
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,000
right place.
Pick your colors beforehand.
760
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,960
So that was time consuming.
Now it's, you know, there's
761
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,040
never enough time on on the
other end to program that
762
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,880
because all these lights can do
so much.
763
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,280
But you know, you pick your
trust, your trust shape and you
764
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,920
load it with whatever the, you
know, your favorite movers are.
765
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Yeah, but but you know, it was
interesting.
766
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:53,040
I, I was over at visiting with
John Featherstone and Hailey
767
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Featherstone and, and Chris
Herman while they were
768
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,960
programming some Hans Zimmer
stuff and we were talking about
769
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,400
some lights and, and, and John
showed me a video of some light
770
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,040
he's, he's about to use.
And the one comment was from
771
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,800
both of us.
I think it was what a beautiful
772
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,000
looking light.
It looks just like a par can,
773
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,040
you know, but obviously you can
change color, but there's
774
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,600
there's still something about
that quality of the beam from a
775
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,480
par can.
Yeah, Yeah, you're right.
776
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,040
You're totally right.
Well, and I like that we're
777
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,720
going back to some of that.
Like it.
778
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:33,040
It seems like more manufacturers
now, lighting manufacturers are
779
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,720
starting to say, OK, you know,
we've done things that are
780
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,960
incredibly bright and throw for
12 miles and do all these
781
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,560
different things.
But let's go back to basics a
782
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,480
little bit.
And like one of my favorite is
783
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,760
is the little Martin thing the
Mac 1.
784
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,480
I just used that for the first
time.
785
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,240
Yeah, yeah, it's a nice thing.
It's.
786
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,280
So cool.
It's great, you know, and it's,
787
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,600
it's cheap, it costs nothing
practically, and it just does a
788
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,560
few things really, really well
and, and fits in small spaces
789
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,000
and, and I like that, like I
like sort of scaling it back
790
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,120
again.
And and, you know, I don't know,
791
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,200
like having every light with the
ability to do everything to me
792
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,680
just has become a little bit
vanilla, you know?
793
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,320
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like this is my light that
794
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,760
does beam wash profile effects,
you know, or, or whatever,
795
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,400
right.
And how about having like some
796
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,080
layers and some different
fixtures and stuff like that?
797
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,280
I don't know, you know, again,
I, I think like an old guy,
798
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,280
probably.
Although at the same time, you
799
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,680
know, for years we all we had to
alternate.
800
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,160
OK, here's my wash light next to
my profile next to my wash.
801
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,680
And, and I mean, my favorite
light of the last 20 years was
802
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,920
probably the Martin air effects
because you could do gobos and
803
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,560
it had a great quality, the
light.
804
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,360
And all of a sudden, instead of
having all to alternate, all of
805
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,280
a sudden I had, you know, 100
lights that if I wanted a big
806
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,400
strong looking wash or big
strong Kobo look, you could do
807
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,000
it with every single light.
Not, not every other one.
808
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,160
So, but but at the same time,
now the lights that can, you
809
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,120
know, have a built in strobe and
could do this and this and this.
810
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Yeah, I I agree it I get it, but
it can be a little bit much.
811
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
812
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,040
I, I just think that I think,
you know, we're seeing some
813
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,840
changes to go back the other
direction a little bit where you
814
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,440
do have some sort of specialized
fixtures that just do something
815
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,960
really, really well and they
don't try to be everything to
816
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,240
everyone.
And there may be priced a little
817
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,240
better.
We're looking at weight again as
818
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,880
being, you know, a thing like
let's get the weight back down
819
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,720
on these things, maybe a few
less channels on some of them.
820
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,040
Like not everything has to be
controlled by 200 channels or
821
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,000
whatever.
That's it.
822
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400
That's the same thing.
I mean, there's there's somebody
823
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,280
was showing me a light the other
day that's 300 so much.
824
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,560
And so I'm like everything I
run, I just want to run it in
825
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,400
basic mode.
I want light to come out of it.
826
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,200
I want it to be able to turn it
red if I want to flash it around
827
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,360
a little bit like who has time?
And but, you know, then again, I
828
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,240
must because I program my own
shows and I'm a little slower,
829
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,800
you know, these Wiz kids, Yeah,
who who can deal with all that
830
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,080
stuff.
I'm like, I don't have time to
831
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,400
look at every single at all.
Yeah, I know.
832
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,640
I I agree with you.
I get it.
833
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,560
Well, the other thing is power
like, you know, so I remember
834
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,520
not that long ago, less than 10
years ago probably where we were
835
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,520
saying, Oh my God, you know,
it's, it's great because we've
836
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,280
reduced power so much on these,
on these rigs.
837
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,640
You know, we've cut power
because of LEDs by 75%.
838
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Well, no, we haven't because now
we're putting like 2000 Watt LE
839
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,560
DS in fixtures and and thousand
Watt LE DS and stuff.
840
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,520
For some reason we're trying to,
you know, out glare the the
841
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,440
video screens now and
everything's got to be 40,000
842
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,880
lumens and stuff.
And, and so we've given up on
843
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,880
the on the power benefit that we
had.
844
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,640
We've given up on the weight
benefit that we had, the size,
845
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,840
they've gotten bigger again.
And so, yeah, I mean, I don't
846
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,440
know, I, I guess engineers who
are creating new lighting
847
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,000
fixtures know what they're
doing, I assume and because they
848
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920
are coming out with some really
cool innovation, but I'm just
849
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,440
not sure I always agree with the
strategy, but what do I know?
850
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,240
Well.
And I mean, as far as the power
851
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,440
one, one thing I used to say
was, well, yeah, you know, a
852
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,760
Park Hand might eat up more than
power than this.
853
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,520
But a park hands on for focus,
for programming and for the
854
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,360
show, you know, the the moving
lights, all the discharge
855
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,840
lights, you'd strike them in the
morning and and they were so,
856
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,040
you know, nobody wanted to to
douse them because who knew if
857
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,360
they were going to strike again?
So now you've got lights that
858
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,200
are on for 14 hours a day
instead of whatever.
859
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,760
Now, at least with the LE DS and
stuff, when when they're not on,
860
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,440
they're not trying much power.
The only problem is, and this is
861
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,840
a problem I find with some of
some of the young kids or not
862
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,480
necessarily young kids, but a
lot of people, you know, I saw a
863
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,240
show, I won't say what it was.
It was stadium show.
864
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,800
It looked great, but every
single song had everything
865
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,280
going.
I'm like, you know, I get it,
866
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,240
you got all these toys, but you
need this to make this work and
867
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,680
this to make this work.
Like give the audience a rest
868
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,240
'cause it's exhausting.
Yeah, yeah.
869
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,840
Another, another great Brickman
quote.
870
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,760
Brickman said to me, you know, I
you know, what I hate is those
871
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,720
EDM shows.
And I said, what?
872
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,360
And he says, well, you know, the
last thing I want if I'm
873
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,520
standing there stoned out of my
fucking brains on Molly, is a
874
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,520
bunch of lights flashing in my
face constantly, you know it,
875
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,240
with a bazillion lumens and
stuff.
876
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,360
And I said, yeah, you kind of
got a point there, buddy?
877
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Yeah.
And, and you know, it's not to
878
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,360
say they don't look amazing, but
God give, they do give us a rest
879
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,280
for a minute, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
880
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,440
And it is.
Yeah, yeah.
881
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,480
And you know, one of the great
things I learned from Mick was
882
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,240
and it, you know, he knows his
audience is more than any.
883
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,160
I've actually learned a fair
amount of lighting from those
884
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,800
guys.
I had a conversation with Keith
885
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,360
and I'd read an article about
his, you know, some of his years
886
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,960
on guitar playing and.
And he said, you know, you can
887
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:53,360
play as much you can whatever
it's, it's meaningful not to
888
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,760
play as it is to play.
I'm like, yeah, you know, it's
889
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,520
you can do as much by leaving it
dark as you can by having it
890
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,960
big.
You need all the peaks and
891
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,400
valleys and.
No, I get, I completely get what
892
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,000
he's saying.
Like, I think what he's saying
893
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,440
is is, you know, in in this much
time, I could put, you know,
894
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,840
1000 notes or I could put eight
really well placed,
895
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,560
strategically played, incredible
notes that give people, you
896
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,320
know, a reaction.
And he's right.
897
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,200
He's right.
Like one of my favorite guitar
898
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,240
solos is David Gilmour
Comfortably Numb, which is very
899
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,480
few notes.
There's not a lot of notes in
900
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,680
that solo, but it's just so
perfect and so beautiful for
901
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,560
that piece of music, you know?
Yeah, and.
902
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,120
That translates the lighting.
Yeah, but that translates the
903
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880
lighting too.
And I agree a lot of people,
904
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,240
because there's this, you know,
massive amount of things you
905
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,960
could do with all these lights.
Yeah.
906
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,640
I feel like, you know, I've been
doing some stuff with Jackson
907
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,320
Browne lately and it's hard.
You know, you want to as a
908
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,160
lighting guy, you want to make
these hits and, and have some
909
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,120
movement.
And it was an.
910
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,960
Oz.
I don't know, 'cause I look at
911
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,120
his audience, I'm like, they
don't want to see that.
912
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,720
They want to watch Jackson.
They want to make sure he's LED.
913
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,240
You know, they can see him and
they want a nice pretty scene
914
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,000
behind him.
And it's as a lighting person.
915
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,320
It's really hard.
But you know, I think, you know,
916
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,200
are we doing this for us?
Are we doing this for the
917
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,360
audience?
That's the perfect, perfect
918
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,120
point.
That's exactly what I would say
919
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,200
about that is, is, you know, is
this about my ego or is this
920
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,120
about making the artist look as
good as I possibly can and, and
921
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,000
allowing people to really enjoy
the music more, You know, But
922
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,040
yeah, I'm with you on that.
And, you know, there are, and I
923
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,640
don't really want to mention
names, but there are some very
924
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,800
classic artists, let's call them
Beetlesque types of artists who
925
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,960
I've seen some shows where it
was just like, you know,
926
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,640
strobing in white, everything on
the stage and stuff like that.
927
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,160
And like, I'm just like, that
doesn't work for me, you know,
928
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,840
Like I'm not, I'm not a lighting
designer.
929
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,240
You're a extremely talented guy
and all this.
930
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:15,000
But you know, when when I'm
listening to a classic, classic
931
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,440
song, you know, to me that's
much more subtlety.
932
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Like that's, you know, so I
don't know, like I, I think
933
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000
there's a time and a place, you
know, there's and if the time
934
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,440
and the place is every bar of
music the whole night, you're
935
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,000
gonna wear out your audience.
Yeah, yeah.
936
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,720
That's what I think anyways.
Yeah, and same thing about
937
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,640
blinding the audience.
You know, I, I try to, obviously
938
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,080
we can't avoid it all the time,
but I try to make a conscious
939
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,240
effort not to piss off the
audience.
940
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,960
Cause I mean, I've, I've been in
the audience where there's a
941
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,560
light in my eyes, you know, for
half the show and it's just
942
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,360
annoying.
Yeah.
943
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Other, although I will say my
possibly the one of my favorite
944
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,960
cues ever that I've done, I used
to, I did a few tours with
945
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Angels and Airwaves, the guitar
player from Blank's solo band.
946
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,040
And I it's just a little club
rig.
947
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:17,440
And I had these see, early days
of the LED pars and I had these
948
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:23,480
pars in red on these towers.
And I would start off at like
949
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,960
10% strobing and over the course
of, I can't remember 3 minutes,
950
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,040
they would gradually, they were
gradually going up to full and
951
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,720
like the pure torture in the in
the front row.
952
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,400
But you know, it was that kind
of audience.
953
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320
And then yeah, yeah.
And they could have shut and
954
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,200
and, and the band really, I
think, kind of appreciated it.
955
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,200
Well, I think.
If you would only one small
956
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,680
moment, yeah.
Yeah, if you did that all night,
957
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,880
they'd get annoyed after a while
'cause they can't see the band,
958
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,360
they can't see their girlfriend,
they can't see anything.
959
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,720
You know, it's like, come on,
man.
960
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Yeah.
I mean, generally if, if I'm
961
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,800
going to see a performer, I kind
of want to see the performer.
962
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,800
And see the performer.
Yeah, I've, I've spent half my
963
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,000
career, most of my career
looking up at the, at the lights
964
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,760
and stuff.
But I don't know now, like, I
965
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:17,840
guess the bigger problem I have
is, is just because automated
966
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,400
lights and LED screens now are
so accessible, like everyone has
967
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,280
them in their inventory.
It's so easy to design so much
968
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,200
of it into every show.
And it really does like when
969
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,000
people put, there's two things
that I used to be able to really
970
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,920
see.
And so when people would put a
971
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,760
lighting shot on the on the on
social media or something, I
972
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,600
would be able to tell what act
it was.
973
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,240
Can't anymore.
I can't even tell you what genre
974
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,520
of music it is anymore because
they all look the same.
975
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,800
Like Andrea Bocelli is going to
look the same.
976
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,760
And I'm, I'm just saying that
name.
977
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,040
I haven't seen the show, so I
don't even know who designs it.
978
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,240
But you know, a, a classical
show might look the exact same
979
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,960
as a heavy metal show as a
Metallica show or something.
980
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,560
And, and then the other one is I
can't tell a light fixture from
981
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,960
another anymore either.
Like you used to be able to look
982
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,120
up and go, Oh, that's AVL 5.
That's a.
983
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Cyber light, that's whatever.
Not anymore.
984
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,760
Like they all basically look the
same.
985
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,640
So it's it's different,
definitely different you were.
986
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,160
Saying much of it is driven, oh,
sorry, but a lot of it is
987
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,520
driven, is driven by the bands,
you know, the bands think that
988
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,080
they need the video and.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's Wiseman
989
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,600
who told me that.
Like he says, you know, Beyoncé,
990
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,560
I'll go out and see Jlo or
something and or, or Taylor
991
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,440
Swift and she'll say I want a
rig bigger than Taylor Swift.
992
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,320
You know, I want, she's got one
of those.
993
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,480
I want two of those, you know,
that kind of thing.
994
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,400
Like there is some, some
competition with the artists,
995
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,800
which, you know, drives up the
budget and and everything else,
996
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,320
which is fine, I guess.
But yeah, what do I know?
997
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,960
So you said you're still MA 2.
Is that for a reason, or is that
998
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,120
just because you just haven't
moved on to the three yet?
999
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Because the shows have been
doing like, you know, the stones
1000
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,000
has been a progression since,
you know, for years.
1001
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,920
So that was always on the on the
two and I've been doing John
1002
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,240
Mayer for a while and that
started off programming for two
1003
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,240
and, and I actually had an
epiphany.
1004
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,320
I hate using words like that,
sorry, but at, at LDI 'cause I
1005
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:44,640
was really I, I, I got pretty
horribly burned by the hog 3.
1006
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,480
So I'm a little gun shy to
switch to any console before
1007
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,440
it's really ready.
And the idea of having to learn
1008
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,840
a new console was just at my,
you know, I'm obviously on the,
1009
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,360
I'm not ready to retire yet
because I still love what I do,
1010
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,520
but I'm definitely on the
downswing instead of the
1011
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,240
upswing.
I thought, how do I really have
1012
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,920
to, to learn a new console?
But you know, I spent some time
1013
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,440
talking to Eric, Eric
Marchwinski and, you know, I was
1014
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,560
thinking about it.
We were talking about the three
1015
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,600
and, and I was thinking about,
I'm like, well, why?
1016
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,560
You know, why not look at it as
something fun to do?
1017
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,600
Look at it as a challenge.
It's like learning a new
1018
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,400
language or something.
And so, so I'm, I'm home for, I
1019
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,840
don't know, a month or so.
So I'm going to start the
1020
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,360
process of of going to the
three.
1021
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,160
Oh cool, but.
Yeah, so 2 reasons.
1022
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,360
The shows I haven't I've been
doing we're on to and if it's
1023
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,520
working, you know, even if it's
a new iteration, you're still
1024
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,560
building up the other one.
Yeah, well, and a lot of people
1025
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,800
are doing it in two steps too.
You know, they go to the three
1026
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,120
hardware, but the two software,
at first, you know, they'll run
1027
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,720
it in two mode and then they'll
eventually sort of move on to
1028
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,160
three mode.
And pretty much now I'm sure you
1029
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,040
have those conversations way
more than I do.
1030
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,000
But everyone I talked to now is
like, yeah, the three now is
1031
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,840
making my life better.
You know, for a while I hated
1032
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:12,880
it.
I fought it.
1033
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,840
I didn't want to do it.
When I did it, I went backwards
1034
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,240
again, but now it's actually
making my life better, you know
1035
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,720
it.
It really works for me now,
1036
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,520
though.
That's a good thing.
1037
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,800
Just in time for the four to
come out.
1038
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,680
Yeah, right, right.
You know, and I, I mean, when I
1039
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,160
think about the number of
councils we've all had to learn
1040
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,160
over the course of our life and
I, I was AVO for years and years
1041
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:44,280
and but it, you know, the now it
can do everything.
1042
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,280
I think it's an amazing console
and I love all the all the guys
1043
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,160
at AVO but.
Yeah.
1044
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,440
It's just I had to switch
eventually switch over cause
1045
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,520
'cause they kind of.
Have you ever looked at the D 9?
1046
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,680
I don't know much about it, but
I know people who say it's
1047
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,480
incredible and all that stuff,
but.
1048
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,160
Yeah, it and it it is.
And I love Brad White.
1049
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,680
The console is great and it's
and it's easy.
1050
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,800
You know, the biggest problem
is, is availability.
1051
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,560
Like if you're doing a world
tour, I know that you know, when
1052
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,920
I if I run into a problem in
Thailand or something, I know I
1053
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,760
can get, I can get.
A yeah, locally.
1054
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:33,000
And so, yeah, that's kind of the
I've, I've fought years on that
1055
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,240
problem when I worked for Martin
because, you know, they would
1056
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,680
say, people would say, yeah, but
I can get, you know, high end
1057
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,160
this or that or I can get
verilite this or that in the
1058
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,120
market.
I can't get Martin fixtures if I
1059
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,120
need them.
So, you know, you need to build
1060
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,520
up a sort of a distribution
network, a rental network before
1061
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,000
you come to me asking me to spec
them on my shows.
1062
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,320
And so that's what I did.
You know, I I just kind of
1063
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,880
worked, worked with the
designers and worked with the
1064
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,200
lighting companies and said,
hey, we need to get this built
1065
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,920
up because Ethan wants to use it
on the stones or whatever, you
1066
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,360
know, and, and it worked, you
know, overtime.
1067
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,040
Martin's now pretty big.
But yeah, I mean, the whole
1068
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,360
console thing is interesting
because, you know, if you think
1069
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,520
about it, like, I'm sure you
know Bob Gordon, right?
1070
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,880
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so yeah, me too.
1071
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,960
He's I just did this thing at
LDI called Dining with Dinosaurs
1072
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,320
and Bob was one of the
dinosaurs.
1073
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,880
It was fun.
But you know, Bob being Hog 1,
1074
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,440
Hog 2, and unfortunately, I
think he was still there for Hog
1075
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,520
three or no, that was a high end
product probably, but you know,
1076
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,680
top of the world with Hog 2 and
they pull the line from him
1077
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:54,240
because high end bought it and
suddenly he's got no console and
1078
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,560
just pulls out the MA out of
nowhere, out of the sky, you
1079
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,400
know, and just hits gold again.
I mean, just unbelievable.
1080
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:10,160
Yeah, I, I, I went to LDI and I
needed to switch to a new
1081
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,800
console and that's when the
grandma won was around and I
1082
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,120
went and I got a, you know,
whatever this short spiel from,
1083
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,840
from whoever was doing it.
And he had a long, a long pinky
1084
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,640
nail and he's hitting the screen
like this, like this.
1085
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,040
I'm like, I'm not using that
console.
1086
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,200
Like that is not a rock'n'roll
board if you got to use your
1087
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,280
little fingernail to do it,
unfortunately.
1088
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,040
So I lost a few years on the on
the grandma one, but eventually
1089
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,240
after the after the hog three, I
needed, I knew I needed a new
1090
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,920
console and nook nook was trying
to convince me to use the Maxis,
1091
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,120
but every show I'd go to,
everybody was on the grandma
1092
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,200
one.
I'm like I, you know?
1093
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,600
Yeah, that sounds like you made
the.
1094
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,200
Right choice.
Yeah.
1095
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,680
Luckily, yeah.
Although it's interesting what
1096
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,040
happened with the Maxis, you
know, that like Elation bought
1097
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,600
it and turned it into the
Subsidian console range, which
1098
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,800
is like just a jump below all
the MA stuff for the smaller
1099
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,760
shows and installations and that
stuff.
1100
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,120
And they've done really, really
well.
1101
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,280
It's nice stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
1102
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,440
I mean and.
That's the thing, there's so
1103
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,840
many different markets.
You know, as as much as you
1104
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,720
don't, you don't see a lot of a
balls out on the bigger tours.
1105
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,160
There's still, you know, there's
a huge market for them and
1106
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,800
they're great consoles and yeah,
yeah.
1107
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,200
Yeah, well, and I think now
they've got their manufacturing
1108
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,600
shit together a little better
too, you know, as far as at
1109
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,280
least expanding sort of mass
manufacturing or whatever now
1110
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,200
that they're part of Roby.
So, you know, there's, there's a
1111
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,840
place for them.
Absolutely.
1112
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,920
You know, it's just, I don't
know, like when MA has the
1113
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,760
market share that they have, I
don't know that attacking the
1114
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,440
top end of the market is, is the
best strategy right now, you
1115
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,000
know, 'cause they're going to be
hard to knock off that that
1116
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,840
perch that they're on up there,
you know?
1117
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,320
Yeah, so.
And they're and they're great
1118
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,800
people.
You know that that was the thing
1119
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,120
when the when the three came out
and all the horror stories you
1120
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,200
heard about it.
But you know, you know all the
1121
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,279
people who are responsible for
it and, and because you like
1122
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,359
them so much like, well, all
right, we're going to give it
1123
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,240
the benefit or doubt.
I know it's going to come
1124
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,479
around.
Let's just give it some time.
1125
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:35,040
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
So do you ever, do you ever
1126
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,439
bring young people out on any of
your cruise?
1127
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,040
Like the are the shops putting,
you know, younger crews out and,
1128
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,319
and where you get to kind of
mentor them a little bit?
1129
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,279
Yeah, it's, and I'm, I'm happy
to, you know, most of the time
1130
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:53,160
they don't because I, I still do
load insurance and load outs
1131
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,640
because I still, I enjoy the
whole process.
1132
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,800
And, you know, you might make
some suggestions to somebody
1133
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,439
who's kind of new and they look
at you like, what do you know?
1134
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,880
And you're like, OK, never mind.
But yeah, you know, anybody,
1135
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:10,359
anybody who wants to learn, you
know, we all like, I always like
1136
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:14,399
to say that I'm, I'm immodest
about my modesty.
1137
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,359
Like I don't, I like to fly
under the radar.
1138
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:22,040
I'm kind of quiet and shy most
of the time.
1139
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,920
But yeah, but you know, you, you
think about the fact, well, you
1140
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,840
know, you want to have some kind
of legacy after 40 years or
1141
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,960
whatever you want.
Hopefully in the next 5 years
1142
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,000
somebody will still remember
your name, whatever.
1143
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,040
But I always, I always say, you
know, I want, I want my legacy
1144
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,840
to be the people that I taught
some people stuff and that
1145
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,319
people like working with me.
And, you know, he was a nice guy
1146
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,880
and, you know, maybe did a few
kind of cool things on the
1147
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,880
console as well.
But but it's more about help
1148
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,560
helping younger people out.
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, one of
1149
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,960
the one of my biggest mottos or,
or at least attempts in life, I
1150
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,520
know I I fail at it quite often.
Is is just don't be an asshole.
1151
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,440
Like try not to be an asshole.
Yeah.
1152
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,520
Yeah, it's not hard.
Yeah, well, sometimes it's hard.
1153
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,400
It depends on the situation.
Some people make it hard, you
1154
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,760
know, but but don't be an
asshole.
1155
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,000
You know, Usually works pretty
well when you're, especially
1156
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,120
when you're collaborating with
other people, like, you know,
1157
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,400
don't try and make everything
about you make it about the, the
1158
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,560
outcome, You know, like we're,
we're all focused on the
1159
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,440
outcome, not, not on what I can
sign my name to and say this was
1160
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,560
Marcel's version of the outcome.
I don't care.
1161
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,360
Let's just focus on the outcome,
whoever's version it is.
1162
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,520
And sometimes that's hard to do.
But you know, I don't know, like
1163
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,240
I, I think I think it's really
important that lighting company,
1164
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:51,520
sound companies, companies doing
touring of any kind, because you
1165
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,800
know, we need more people
obviously coming in.
1166
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,200
There's there's always
shortages.
1167
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,280
People are still struggling to
find crew.
1168
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,440
Some of the people that.
Are getting so big, yeah.
1169
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,280
That's part of it, but I mean,
plus everybody's on tour all the
1170
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,760
time now.
Like it's it's, you know, the
1171
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,400
fact that there's venue
shortages constantly, you know,
1172
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,960
tells you that there's just a
lot going on, obviously, But I
1173
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,840
think we need more blended
crews, you know, where they're
1174
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,960
like, and I know it's hard to do
a show the size of the of the
1175
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,960
stones.
I think your dog wants in again.
1176
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,280
Do you need to let him in her?
In No, no, she's she's.
1177
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:32,080
Barking at the UPS guy, but you
know, like, I think it, it's
1178
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,920
hard when you're the stones or
whatever to, to just say, Hey,
1179
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,080
you know, we want some, some
more green people to come out
1180
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,120
with us and blend with our, our
more tenured people are older
1181
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,760
guys.
But that creates, I guess, some
1182
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,320
quality issues or safety issues
or whatever.
1183
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,480
So that's challenging.
You probably want the most
1184
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:57,560
experience you can possibly get.
Yeah.
1185
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,760
I mean, most of the time a tour
like that, you can, you know,
1186
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,800
you can have a couple pretty
fresh people and just make sure
1187
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,960
that, you know, you look after
what they're done.
1188
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,160
I mean, I always say, like, you
know, a rig should not go up
1189
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,200
until one of us checks all the
bolts checks, make sure there's
1190
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,520
there's no wrenches sitting on
the Truss, whatever.
1191
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:23,960
And you know that some, you
know, if if there's a young kid,
1192
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,120
as long as somebody's looking,
looking after whatever they're
1193
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,440
doing.
But but yeah, but that's one.
1194
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:32,280
But that's one of the things,
you know, one of the great
1195
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,720
things about the Bob sees of the
world was when you left that
1196
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,120
shop, you knew what you were
doing because he was such a
1197
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,160
taskmaster.
And now you know, you can't, you
1198
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,600
can't be mean to to kids in the
shop.
1199
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,480
You can't.
Yeah, it's kind of true, isn't
1200
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,880
it?
Yeah, you can't work them 100
1201
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,920
hours a week because whatever.
So then they go out on tour and
1202
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,280
all of a sudden they got these
long hours and you know, if
1203
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,800
you're not used to it, that's
when you start making mistakes.
1204
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,840
But.
Yeah.
1205
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:04,840
And now tours have HR
departments.
1206
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Yeah, yeah.
So everybody has somebody to
1207
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:09,560
talk to.
Yeah.
1208
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,040
But, you know, I mean, obviously
there's, there's great young
1209
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,040
kids out there.
And of course, yeah.
1210
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,520
Doing really good work.
Yeah, well, I mean, especially
1211
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:25,320
in your role, like in, you know,
programmers and, and guys and
1212
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,520
girls running the desk and
stuff, you know, just because
1213
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,440
they've grown up with iPhones in
their hands, they've grown up
1214
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:35,000
with laptop computers, they've
grown up with coding and all
1215
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,200
this kind of stuff.
So whereas with old guys like
1216
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,840
us, you know, that stuff was all
like, whoa, this thing has
1217
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,440
buttons that light up, you know,
like IT technology came a lot
1218
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,920
slower to us.
And so, you know, I think that
1219
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,280
part's really interesting cause
'cause they can, they can move a
1220
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,200
little faster sometimes they are
none of it's foreign to them.
1221
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,200
It's maybe some of, it's kind of
antiquated actually when they
1222
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,720
look at it.
But have you ever thought or
1223
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,400
talked or looked into any of the
AI stuff?
1224
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,840
Like are you, are you paying any
attention 'cause I know it
1225
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,680
hasn't impacted our industry
yet, but I assume.
1226
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,600
Yeah, I was.
I was with hanging out with
1227
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,680
Brian Hartley and Michael Keller
and Brian.
1228
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,800
Brian.
Because he, he's, yeah, he's all
1229
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,200
over that stuff.
And he was showing us I'm like,
1230
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,240
that's amazing.
But I don't have when I'm like I
1231
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,440
said, when I'm home, I got three
kids, younger kids, and I don't
1232
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:40,560
have the bandwidth right now The
so look at all that.
1233
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,440
But you know, you know what's
coming.
1234
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:47,240
But, you know, going going back
to the to your point about these
1235
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,000
kids being so great on the
castles right away.
1236
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:56,560
But then the the problem is that
there's this whole group that
1237
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:02,120
wants to go straight into that,
which, you know, is you got to,
1238
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,160
you got to know the other end of
it too.
1239
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,320
You know, you have to grow up
setting them up.
1240
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:14,480
You have to know what it does.
And yeah, and too many of them
1241
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,480
just want to go and sit back.
I mean, that's one of the
1242
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,920
reasons I, like I said, I still
love doing mode insurance and
1243
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,320
mode outs.
And you see these kids that I'm,
1244
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,160
you know, I've, I've never done
a not that it's bad.
1245
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,200
I think it's a great thing.
But a time code show, I mean,
1246
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,720
you know, you sit there and you
focus and then you watch the
1247
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,760
show run itself and then you go
to the bus.
1248
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:37,000
I mean, how is that, you know,
furthering your career?
1249
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,600
OK, I don't know.
Yeah, I had that conversation
1250
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,880
recently with Mark Brickman.
I went to New York to see the
1251
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,720
the David Gilmour thing that
that he had just done.
1252
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,880
And I don't know if you saw it,
but he's doing that whole thing
1253
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,920
where he's using stylus on the
screen.
1254
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,360
He calls it Paint with Light.
And he just said, you know, like
1255
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,240
if I was going to go out and
tour with David Gilmour again,
1256
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,960
doing all the old Pink Floyd
stuff and everything, he said I
1257
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,400
was going to run the desk.
I wanted to control the lights.
1258
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,880
I wanted to, I, I wanted to busk
the show.
1259
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,280
I didn't want to just sit back
and watch it.
1260
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,120
And that's what he did, you
know, and he created a whole new
1261
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,800
sort of way of doing that, a
whole new input method with this
1262
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,240
stylus thing on the screen.
And it was really cool.
1263
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,760
You didn't see it I assume?
I I saw videos of it and I I
1264
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,160
talked to Sparky.
Sparky's a good friend of mine
1265
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:37,160
and we chatted a bit about it.
Yeah, it was.
1266
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,560
It was it was honestly very
clever, very unique, very
1267
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,360
different.
It just like to me, first of
1268
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,160
all, you didn't have any, you
know, massive, you know,
1269
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,920
thousand Watt LED spotlights
blasting you in the eyes.
1270
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,040
But but just the way that the
colour moved through the system
1271
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,680
and just it was just unique.
It just felt so different to
1272
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,080
anything else I had had seen
before that.
1273
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,400
So I really enjoyed it.
He's clever, that mark.
1274
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,960
You know, who knew?
Who knew, who knew he was so
1275
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,600
clever, you know, but he's,
he's, yeah, I love Mark.
1276
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,440
He's, he's a very creative guy,
very smart guy.
1277
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,240
You know, he's got some quirks,
as we all do.
1278
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:31,400
And, and you know, I found a few
of those, but but I love the guy
1279
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,880
and I appreciate everything he
does.
1280
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:39,520
So you know, what other what
other things are you learning
1281
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,720
along the way right now?
Like as compared to, you know,
1282
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,840
20-30, forty years ago doing
this?
1283
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,600
What are what are some things
that are different?
1284
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,160
Like is it harder?
Is it easier?
1285
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,000
Is it better?
Is it worse?
1286
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,840
Like what's, how would you
compare?
1287
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,360
Or is it just all an evolution?
I think it's an evolution and
1288
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,480
you know, you can either you can
either fight it or dive straight
1289
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:05,080
into it or you know, I was
thinking, I was thinking before
1290
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,280
we were doing this, I was kind
of thinking about the evolution
1291
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,600
of all this.
Now, you know, there's there's
1292
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,440
like the Alley Metcalf, who's a,
you know, brilliant designer who
1293
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,760
wants the latest and greatest
every time or, or not even the
1294
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,640
greatest.
He's just wants to try out
1295
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:26,200
whatever the new thing is.
I'm always a little a little gun
1296
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,560
shy about trying the new stuff.
But yeah, I go to, I've been to
1297
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,200
LDI the last couple years and
even though a lot of it, I'm
1298
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,560
like, well, you know, it's all
starting to look the same.
1299
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,760
You know, all the lights can do
this, all the lights can do
1300
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,960
that.
But you know, you look at some
1301
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,240
of them and there's some
innovative stuff out there and
1302
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:45,520
you're like, well, that's pretty
cool.
1303
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,600
I'd love to, I'd love to give
that a shot.
1304
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,160
And yeah, you need, you need to,
it's fun, you know, you got to
1305
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720
embrace it and, and have, have
fun with it.
1306
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,480
But at the same time, it's great
to be able to go back and do a
1307
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:07,600
the three Truss rig of no color
pars and play around for yeah,
1308
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,480
so.
Yeah, I mean, technology
1309
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:14,320
obviously it it plays a role and
and but you know, growing for a
1310
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,080
reason, not just more flash and
trash like growing for a reason
1311
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,600
and and improving the show and
improving, you know, the whole
1312
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,200
results.
Not just like I can blast
1313
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,720
brighter lights in your face all
night or whatever.
1314
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,600
So yeah, that's where I kind of
get stuck.
1315
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,920
Like, you know, to me, it all
kind of blends and starts where,
1316
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,280
you know, again, like I've been
in on the moving lights sales
1317
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,440
side of things.
I'm not really right now.
1318
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,800
I still sell moving lights, but
I own a a used equipment
1319
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,560
platform.
But you know, I've been in the
1320
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,480
moving light business forever.
And like I said, you used to be
1321
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:55,280
able to tell every single one of
them apart 'cause they all had,
1322
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,680
you know, nuances, different
ways of moving, different ways
1323
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,520
of changing color.
The colors themselves look
1324
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,600
different depending on the
manufacturer.
1325
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,880
You could always tell and you
can't anymore.
1326
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,760
Like right now, you could have a
Roby rig or an Ayrton rig or a
1327
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,240
Martin rig and I wouldn't know
the difference for the most
1328
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,600
part.
And so that sucks.
1329
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,160
But I think one of the one of
the most game changing things
1330
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,600
we've seen in the last few years
is, is the remote spotlight.
1331
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,480
I mean, I was killer.
I was really gun shy about about
1332
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:34,440
follow me when it came out.
I thought, and you know, I'd use
1333
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,840
the PRG one, We'd use the robo
spots.
1334
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,280
But I'm like, OK, I, I, I'm
happy to use it for back spots.
1335
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,920
But front spots, you know, is
it's all tied into the computer,
1336
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,640
like if you have a house spot,
you know, unless you lose power
1337
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,560
to that spot, if your console
goes down, you can still do a
1338
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,080
show.
But, you know, since in the
1339
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:01,240
last, I don't know how many
years I've had follow me on, you
1340
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,080
know, most every show I've done.
And knock on wood, it's it's
1341
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,280
never and it's amazing.
I mean, the stuff we did.
1342
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:14,840
So Willie brings Alan Branton in
to, you know, to, to do the key
1343
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:20,080
lighting on U2 and, and the
stuff I would want to do.
1344
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,600
You could never, ever do that
before with the older
1345
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,360
technology.
And it's it's amazing.
1346
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,120
You know, the OK, you want 10%
from this side and you want 50%
1347
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,680
from that side.
Easy.
1348
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,920
And you want to control 20
lights on on Bono at once.
1349
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,560
Yeah, it's A and.
It's it's all been really
1350
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,840
reliable for you like.
There's been really reliable,
1351
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,040
yeah, I mean, much more reliable
than having, you know, when you
1352
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,880
got 14 spot operators trying to
get them first of all, trying to
1353
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,160
get them harnessed up and up in
the Truss and having to, you
1354
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,680
know, your most stressful time
before the show is before the
1355
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,240
show and having to have spot
meetings And this guy's late
1356
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,520
because he didn't realize you're
in a it's a stadium and there
1357
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,840
might be 50,000 other cars
coming in or 25,000 cars.
1358
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:12,840
So, I mean, that part was always
stressful.
1359
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,280
And now, you know, at first you
stress, well, what if the
1360
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,920
console goes down?
But then.
1361
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,400
But yeah, and the possibilities
and now, you know, Robbie's come
1362
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,240
up with.
I can never remember the names
1363
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,560
of the lights, but they're from
Rubble Spot.
1364
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,640
Yeah.
Are they're the light, the I
1365
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,800
Forte, whatever it is.
But I mean, it's amazing.
1366
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,080
It's so bright and temperatures
are nice.
1367
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,520
Yeah.
That whole stuff is is really
1368
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,000
revolutionized.
So you're using the automated
1369
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,080
spot systems follow me.
You're not using like Robospot
1370
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,600
the the where they've got the
the fake follow spot like in the
1371
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,000
bomb or something.
We use so John Mayer, we just
1372
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,440
use follow me at you to the
sphere.
1373
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,000
We use the combination.
We use follow me for the front
1374
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,880
and because we had towers that
were moving we we use robospot.
1375
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,040
Although now you can use follow
me for that because they can
1376
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:14,040
take whatever data from the
encoders and and translate but.
1377
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,480
Interesting.
But so we just, and they're,
1378
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,040
they're all great systems, yeah.
But.
1379
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,560
Yeah, they're all just.
It's amazing how much incredible
1380
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,640
technology has been dedicated to
follow spots, to getting rid of
1381
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,680
follow spots.
There's, you know, there's 3 or
1382
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:34,720
4 great systems that I can think
of that that work really well,
1383
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,600
but just entirely different
concepts on how to deal with the
1384
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,400
problem, how to, you know,
different solutions for the same
1385
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,480
problem, which I love.
Like that's, you know, it's one
1386
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:46,080
of the things that so many
people always say about this
1387
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,280
industry is that, you know, give
us the problem, we'll find,
1388
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,360
we'll find a solution for it,
you know, regardless of what it
1389
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,280
is.
Like COVID, I remember, I don't
1390
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,800
remember if it was Marty Ham or,
or Jake or one of the major
1391
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,160
production managers out there.
I had a conversation with.
1392
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,920
He said, you know, I just think
that they should hand us the
1393
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,680
problem.
We'll figure out how to how to
1394
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:10,840
get people safely in and out of
venues and and, you know, fill a
1395
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,840
stadium with people and, and try
not to get them all sick.
1396
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,600
You know, we'll figure that out.
And he's probably right.
1397
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,400
You know, it's obviously that
was a horrible time.
1398
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,960
And thank God we're not going
back there anytime soon.
1399
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,320
But yeah.
Although there were some
1400
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,360
benefits to it.
There were, yeah.
1401
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,880
Once we realized, you know, we
weren't going to lose our home
1402
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:38,240
and to be be able to be home for
a month and a half and hang out
1403
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,600
with the kids and everything,
but yeah.
1404
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,480
We're, we're and. 1/2 I I mean a
year and. 1/2 a year and a half,
1405
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,440
yeah.
I was like, what show did you do
1406
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,840
that was a month and a half in?
Yeah.
1407
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:55,320
But I mean, yeah, we're, we are
a solution based business.
1408
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,280
You know, you, I talked to, I'm
pretty good friends with
1409
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,160
Chipmunk and we've spent times
talking about, and that was
1410
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:06,720
before the Internet, you know,
how he used to source things and
1411
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,320
you needed to live in a city
that had a great hardware store
1412
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,720
and a great electronic store.
And they just, they went and
1413
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:20,560
built it, you know, on U23U2360,
Hedwig from Stageco was trying
1414
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,160
to figure out how to lift, lift
the center portion.
1415
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,680
And he talked to his crane
drivers and his or crane
1416
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,080
operators.
And they're like, well, you, you
1417
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,920
can't, you can't use 4 cranes.
You cannot 3 cranes at the most.
1418
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,480
Because if one of them goes,
then you got a problem.
1419
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:41,200
So he's searching the Internet
and comes up with some kind of
1420
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,240
hydraulic, something I think
that, you know, big bridge
1421
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,800
builders use and came up with
that.
1422
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,000
I mean, the.
Yeah.
1423
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,240
Wild.
Yeah, No, there's incredibly
1424
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,160
innovative people and and also
we're stubborn.
1425
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,440
We're a stubborn industry.
We don't take no for an answer.
1426
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:00,880
We find a way, right?
There's always a way.
1427
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,120
Yeah.
So you, you mentioned something,
1428
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,680
you sent us a whole bunch of
notes and one of the things you
1429
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:13,640
mentioned was your motto for
life, which is not to half ass
1430
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,720
anything.
So you're basically just saying
1431
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,200
full on no matter what you're
doing.
1432
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,120
Well, put everything you can
into it.
1433
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:30,080
You know, there's, like I said,
I mean, we're, we're there for,
1434
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,480
to give the audience and the
band a show.
1435
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,320
You know, my job out front is
not only to make sure the
1436
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:40,960
audience can see the band have a
little bit of stuff going on,
1437
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,920
interesting stuff hopefully
going on, but also to make sure
1438
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,840
that, you know, that the lights
are the last thing the band has
1439
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,880
to worry about.
And it's because you always put
1440
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,520
up, always put 100% in.
I mean, that's one of the
1441
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,040
reasons I think I still, you
know, I don't want to dwell on
1442
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,680
it, but still like to load in
and load out because I feel like
1443
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,680
it's my response.
The lights are my responsibility
1444
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,560
and there's a decision to make,
be made.
1445
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,440
I'm going to be the one I want
to be the one to make it.
1446
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,120
So if I'm going to be there, I
might as well, you might as well
1447
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,000
get your, you know, your hands
dirty and help out.
1448
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,640
And yeah, yeah, just good for
you.
1449
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,240
I.
Mean, I don't know of a lot of
1450
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:24,360
people who still do that.
There's there's a few, yeah.
1451
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,760
You know Michael Keller is still
out there on the floor.
1452
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,400
Yeah, Yeah, that's, that's cool.
I love that.
1453
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,320
So what about what about
charities or anything that you
1454
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:42,200
like to be a part of promote?
I don't.
1455
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,280
I'm not a part of, but I'll
donate money every, you know,
1456
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,120
every December.
I like a lot of children, kids
1457
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,920
charities and and stuff like
that.
1458
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,400
Yeah.
Hospitals taught to get top
1459
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,120
borders.
My father died of a stroke.
1460
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,920
So American Heart Association,
but mainly, mainly kids
1461
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,640
charities.
Yeah.
1462
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,680
And he and he's hope is a great
one out of Saint Louis.
1463
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:09,680
Yeah.
Yeah.
1464
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,720
For firm believer, I was brought
up that year, You got to, you
1465
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,000
got to get back.
Pay it forward, of course.
1466
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,600
Well, and inside the industry
too.
1467
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,480
And, and I mean, I know that
you, you talk a lot about
1468
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,720
mentoring younger people and
sharing stories and sharing
1469
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,640
information with younger people
and stuff.
1470
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,000
I think it's super important
because I never want to
1471
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,320
disconnect, you know, the past
to the, to the future in this
1472
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,520
industry.
I, I really, it's one of the
1473
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,720
reasons that I keep doing this
is because people are genuinely
1474
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,800
interested in hearing how it was
done in the 60s and 70s and 80s
1475
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,040
and stuff.
And I get so many comments from
1476
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,160
people, you know, on social
media and stuff or, or messages
1477
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,360
back to me saying, you know,
wow, I had no idea.
1478
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,600
This is incredible.
Thank you so much for sharing.
1479
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,800
That's not me sharing.
It's you guys all sharing.
1480
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,720
So I appreciate that part of it,
of course.
1481
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,160
So what do you, what do you got
going on this year?
1482
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,000
Well, Stone's cancelled, so I
got a few things.
1483
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,480
I can't really talk about them
'cause they're not not set in
1484
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:13,320
Stone yet and I don't want to
change it.
1485
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:18,040
Yeah, well, and then you'll get
the stones call again and and.
1486
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,760
We hope.
We hope so.
1487
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,160
You know, every time Opie or
Patrick calls, you know, you,
1488
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,240
you get the call and you're
like, this is good news or bad
1489
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:31,960
news.
And this last one, Opie, you
1490
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,120
know, usually it's right away.
Oh, it's, it's fine.
1491
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,440
And there was a hesitant
hesitation.
1492
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:41,000
I'm like, OK, it's bad news, but
you know, they're all relatively
1493
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,160
healthy still.
So.
1494
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,600
And the beauty of it is the last
show of the last tour was in
1495
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:51,920
Branson, MO, which was a great
show, but we all said there's no
1496
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,320
way the Stones can end their,
you know, 60s touring career
1497
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,760
with the last show being
Branson, MO.
1498
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,040
No, that ain't happening.
That ain't happening.
1499
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,880
They're not finishing in
Branson, MO.
1500
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,200
I, I, I can't imagine what their
last show will be when it,
1501
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,320
whenever it happens, but
hopefully they go back out soon
1502
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,560
'cause I mean, you're doing
incredible things out there.
1503
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,240
And I, I have a friend down here
in South Florida who every
1504
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,040
single time the Stones are
anywhere, you know, within 1000
1505
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,240
miles of here, he's like,
Marcel, come on, we're going.
1506
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,560
I'm like, dude, I am not going
to see the Stones again.
1507
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,760
I've seen him like 6 times.
You know, I'm good.
1508
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,360
I was never a Stones fan growing
up.
1509
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,720
I was a Led Zeppelin fan.
I, I just, the Stones sort of
1510
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,440
skipped me somehow and I was a
Led Zeppelin guy and, and then
1511
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:43,560
got into heavier stuff, Iron
Maiden and Judas Priest and all
1512
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,800
that stuff.
So the Stones was just not a
1513
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,560
thing for me until later in
life, which is when I started to
1514
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,960
go see him and, and my my
ex-wife worked for their record
1515
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,160
company and so saw them a few
times with her.
1516
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:03,680
We had a classic picture of her
and Mick Jagger where they were
1517
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,120
standing like just with his arm
around her or something.
1518
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,400
And I went to take the picture
and right before I took the
1519
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,840
picture, I think he pinched her
butt.
1520
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:17,160
And then and then right after
that she pinched his butt back
1521
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,640
and, and he's looking at her
like in shock.
1522
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,560
And I, I snapped the picture
right then.
1523
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,960
So it's, it's just a really,
really cool picture.
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I wish my ex-wife wasn't in it
'cause I'd hang it on the wall,
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but but.
You know, these days with
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Photoshop and all, you could put
anybody.
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Yeah, it's true.
Yeah.
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Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
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Well, Ethan, I appreciate you,
man.
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I appreciate you taking the time
out of your day to do this.
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Yeah, it's always, it's.
Always great to.
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Yeah, and you as well.
And I look forward to seeing you
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back out with the Stones or
whoever else you're out with
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this year.
And I did get to say hi to you.
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You probably don't remember
because there were 1000 people
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01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,400
there, but at the upstaging
party this year we did shake
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hands and quickly say hello.
But yeah, cool.
1538
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Well, thank you very much, my
friend.
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Take the.
Rest of the.
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Week.
All right man all.
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Right.
Thanks.
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You too.
All right, bye.
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Hello, hello, hello, hello.
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So bit about AI, have you been
paying attention to these price
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and sort of technology wars that
are happening right now?
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You know, basically there's this
company out of China called
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DeepSeek, who I think have been
around for a couple of years.
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I think, you know, building
their technology, which has
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taken some time, but they just
launched in a big way in I
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believe it's around mid-december
last year perhaps.
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And they launched at, as I
recall, 127th of the price of
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competitive services, including
ChatGPT and but with much
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better, a better model overall
and lighter weight too.
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So it used a lot less compute,
which translated into the lower
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costs as well.
Caught everyone by surprise, you
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know, especially their
competitors, I think caught them
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with their pants down a little
bit because it was that much
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cheaper and that much more
powerful and really just took
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the AI world, you know, by
storm.
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And so problematic a bit because
it is a Chinese company, Chinese
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AI company, which means they
basically earn their living on
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taking your data and building
these large language models from
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your data.
And so there's all kinds of
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issues there or concerns.
And also there's some question
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on how they got the the kit from
NVIDIA, because there are laws
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against NVIDIA or you know,
blocks on them being able to
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sell their products into China.
And so they were buying it I
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think through Singapore or
something.
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So anyways, great model I have
used it.
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It's it's fast, it's excellent.
It's very, it uses this thing
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called reasoning, which the cool
thing about it is while like you
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can ask it a really deep
question and then watch it
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figuring that question out,
it'll say the user's asking for
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this.
So I need to go back and look
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for some of this and I need to
look at more of this.
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And like it shows you their
entire sort of strategy and
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their reasoning on coming up
with that answer or those
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answers.
So it really tells you the
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foundation and where those
answers are coming from, which
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is really, really cool.
And it's just a very good model.
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It it works very well, it's
fast, it's again, very
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inexpensive compared to other
models.
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So probably a week later, Open
AI who own ChatGPT launches O3
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and O3 Mini, which are their
latest versions and O3 Mini
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claimed by Open AI to be better
than Deep seeks R1 and at
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similar pricing.
Unfortunately, from what I hear
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anyways, it's not similar
pricing.
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It's still much higher, but a
lot lower than where they were
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with their four O model.
So basically Open AI claimed to
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leapfrog over top of DeepSeek.
It's certainly dampened a lot of
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the noise because basically when
DeepSeek launched again, because
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they used a lot less of these
NVIDIA boards or NVIDIA pieces,
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it NVIDIA stock tanked like it
caused NVIDIA to lose.
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I can't remember, I own NVIDIA
stock, but it was like, I don't
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remember 20 percent, 15% in one
day.
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And so, you know, that's again
the big reason why their why
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their price was so low.
So anyways, a week after after
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open AI launched their model,
which again really rattled the
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industry in the market and it
really sort of tamed down all
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the deep sick noise.
Elon launches his new Grok 3
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model And prior to Grok 3, I
don't think very many people
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were paying attention to Grok.
I was I was using it for
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especially for writing.
I just found it to be a little
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less boring, it less dry than
Chat GPTA little more fun.
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And so but people really weren't
using it.
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Most people were using ChatGPT
and then a lot of people were
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using DeepSeek and ChatGPT.
And all of a sudden Grok 3 comes
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out and it's better than
DeepSeek and at a very, very
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comparable price to DeepSeek.
And suddenly Grok 3 is a player
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and a major player.
Like they're just taking over
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all kinds of things.
And so a week after that,
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suddenly Clod Anthropic, a Clod
comes out and claims to jump
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over Grok 3, which I don't know
and I'm still using Grok 3.
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So I don't know if Clod is
better.
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I haven't tried it yet.
And so it's just been this
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battle, and I mean, we're
talking about companies that are
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in investing 10s of billions of
dollars in building these
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models, not small amounts of
money.
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And they're just popping them
out like popcorn right now.
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So it, it's a pretty wild time
in, in the AI world right now.
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And Speaking of Grok, I, I found
a, a pretty cool story about a
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guy, a developer, 1 developer
who created a video game using
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entirely Grok, entire Grok
created the entire game in less
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than 3 hours.
The server code was written
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entirely by Grok and and then
they basically the guy put this
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out to the market and he made
$20,000, almost $20,000 in about
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a week in revenue on this
product that was entirely
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created by AI.
So to me, what this shows is
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sort of this transformative
potential in creative industries
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for AI and ours being one of
those industries.
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And so I know our industry hates
AI.
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We love to talk about how it's
going to cause the demise of
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everyone's jobs and all of these
things.
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But I think if we can look at it
from another direction, so this
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guy was a game developer and he
entirely used AI to make $20,000
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in a week.
So if you look at it where let's
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say the show that you were going
to program was going to take
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you, you know, 4 weeks to
program or three weeks to
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program or whatever.
And now you could do that in a
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day or two because AI is doing
much of the heavy lifting for
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you and you're just pushing AI
to do the things that you want
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it to do.
It's an interesting thought, but
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also I like the idea that it
really does sort of lower the
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barrier that sort of enables
this, this wave of innovation.
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And I think there's an
opportunity that we are going to
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see products created by AI.
We're going to see tech created
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by AI, excuse me, directly in
our industry.
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And that's exciting to me.
So more to come, but that's my
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take, my hot take for today on
AI.
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I'm out of water, so today's
guest Ethan Weber is a renowned
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lighting designer and director
best known for his decades long
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work with the Stones and an
extensive career spanning U2,
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John Mayer, Green Day, Pink and
many more.
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Pardon me.
Starting at C Factory in 1984,
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Ethan joined the Stones in 1994
on the Voodoo Lounge tour,
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evolving into a key creative
force behind those legendary
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shows for geez, 30 years now.
With a work hard, ego free
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approach, Ethan blends technical
expertise with artistic vision,
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shaping some of the world's
biggest tours.
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Passionate about giving back, he
supports Doctors Without Borders
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and other charities.
His motto?
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Never half ass anything.
I like it.
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Please welcome Ethan Weber.
Ethan Weber, How are you?
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I'm.
Great.
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How are you, Marcel?
I'm doing well, thanks.
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Good to see you.
Thank you too.
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You you've had a busy, busy
couple of years.
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Like who knew that you know 80
year old artists could keep you
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busy?
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I mean, we, we said I think 90.
I started with Keith in 92 or
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9394.
After that tour, we said, oh,
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this has got to be the last one.
And, you know, 30 years later,
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we're still saying, is this it
or is this not?
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Yeah.
That's wild, isn't it?
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It's wild like you.
You and Cosmo seem to just be
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kind of hanging on to the to
that, you know?
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Yeah, Like, please stay healthy.
Please.
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You know, Cosmos got ACDC again
this year, which is which is
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incredible.
You know?
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I mean, I remember when I
unwrapped the Back in Black
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album thinking, you know, these
guys will be cool for the next 5
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or 10 years, right?
Like, who knew?
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You know, this was this was
probably 1980 or something.
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But but yeah, the Stones just
blow my mind.
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We were just talking about it
before we started recording, but
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mix just his commitment overall
to to fitness and I don't know
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about health, but probably
health and.
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Yeah, everything all.
Of that, it's just mind blowing,
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you know, And you were saying he
doesn't even have any arthritis.
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No, no arthritis seems to what?
Is he now 82, right?
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81 or 82?
I'm not sure.
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I think probably 81.
Yeah.
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know, they're all amazing.
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Just yeah, I think it's safe to
say we'll we'll never see
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anything like it again,
probably.
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I can't imagine, although you
know, I'm a huge hockey fan and
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and football fan and these
people just keep getting older
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and older because of just
advancements in in health and
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fitness and and medicine and all
of the things that, you know,
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create longevity.
So, so, you know, I obviously
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love to start way early in one's
career, especially Someone Like
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You who's done so many
interesting and incredible
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things and you've done it for a
while.
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And you know, there's usually
sort of a, a common thread among
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some of the great designers and,
and creatives in our industry.
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And it either starts as a
musician or a DJ or just some
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fluky moment.
But it generally wasn't, you
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know, a more official or
conventional type of training or
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schooling.
So what was your excuse?
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I mean, I, I think, I think
those of us who started kind of
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earlier on, it was more a case
of just falling into it.
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I was I was AI was a production
manager at my my school, my
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college, following in the
footsteps of Abby Rosenholmes.
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And I was playing in in a shitty
little punk rock band and we
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moved to New York after
graduation and and called up I
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needed a job.
Called up Abby, she said come in
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to see Factor and that was it.
And then kind of gave up my
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musical career because it was a
lot more fun to go on tour.
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Yeah, well, plus he were
probably making a little bit
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more money too, which.
This was C, This was C factor
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which was probably $4.00 an hour
and I think 200 two $100 a week.
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Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Yeah.
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So playing in a punk rock band
might have been more lucrative
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than working for Bob.
Yeah.
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But you know what though it it,
it still blows my mind how many
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amazing people came through C
Factor like Bob was.
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Bob was a breeding ground for
for a lot of really great people
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in our industry.
Yeah, he, you know, he taught us
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to do things hopefully the right
way.
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And he was a, a merciless
taskmaster.
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You know, they, they call, we
used to call him the Miracle
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Minute.
It'd be 12:00 at night.
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You've been working since 9:10
AM.
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And he'd come down and want to
rearrange the shop and clean,
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clean up the shop.
And it was, I don't know, he
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made us, he made us all all a
bit tougher, I think, because of
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this.
Yeah, it wasn't easy, but but it
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it probably played because I
mean the longevity of so many of
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the people that came through
there and the quality of the
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people that came through there.
Obviously sometimes, you know,
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that sort of militant training
is, is helpful, I guess to
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creating strong people.
So yeah.
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So you you how old were you when
you started at C Factor?
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I must have been.
I think I was 24.
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Oh, OK.
It would have been September
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1984, I think.
So I was kind of towards the
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tail end of the the glory days.
Yeah, yeah.
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But still significant.
And so how long did how long did
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you stay there?
Was there 9 or 10 years?
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Wow, that's a run.
Yeah.
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So I probably it's kind of like
dog ears like 9 or 10 years.
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There is probably like 60 years
anywhere else I think.
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It's kind of true.
Yeah, it's kind of true.
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You know, though I, I think of
all the moving light salespeople
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back in the 90s, I was probably
one of the few who really,
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really liked Bob.
Like, I just, Bob and I had a
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special relationship where he'd
call me on a Sunday night at
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8:00 and I'd hang up the phone
at 10, you know, And it wasn't
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anything about necessarily even
buying or selling or, or pricing
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on lights or anything like that.
It was either industry talks or
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just talks on life or, or
things, you know, that were
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going wrong in his life or in
his work or whatever or mine.
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It was just a special
friendship.
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Yeah.
You know.
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Different.
One of the rare, rare few, I
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think.
But you know, I used to, there
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was a period when I left where
I'd go back to, I'd run into him
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somewhere and he wouldn't even
talk to me.
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He wouldn't shake my hand
anything.
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And really, and I, I was talking
to Michael Ahern and who was
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best friends with him.
Michael used to be the Stones
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production manager for years.
And Michael said, you know, he
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said, you guys are like our
kids.
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He said when you leave the home,
we're, we're, we're hurt by it.
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And eventually, you know, that
eventually I'd go to New York,
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I'd call a Bob and we'd always
go out and have lunch and we'd
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sit there for, you know, 4
hours, same thing, just
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chatting.
And it was great to see them
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and.
Yeah.
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And interesting about. 12 Diet
Cokes later, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah no, I, I definitely, he was
one of the guys that I, I was
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sad when he left and and I miss
him still in some weird way, you
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know, just because, you know, I
love the characters of our
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industry.
I don't like, you know, I don't
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necessarily love all the
business people or the even some
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of the private equity guys and
all this stuff that are behind
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it now, but but I love the
characters and there's still a
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few left, not as many as there
used to be, at least on that
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side of things on the vendor
side, but you're.
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Right.
It is dwindling, but I mean,
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that's that's the reason half of
us not necessarily got in the
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business, but stayed in the
business because everybody was,
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you know, everybody was a bunch
of misfits who somehow figured
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out ways to make it work and.
Right.
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And be be successful and yeah,
interesting people to hang out
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with and chat with.
Yeah.
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So when you started at C Factor
where you just like a shop guy
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wrapping cable and and pushing
Rd. cases around?
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Or did you immediately go out
and start touring?
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Well, back back then, you would,
yeah.
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You'd start off in the shop.
I think I was in the shop for
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maybe a month.
Yeah.
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And then and then they ship you
out and that's it.
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Once you're out, you're out
there wasn't I think your.
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First tour.
I went out and replaced somebody
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on Rush for a few weeks and then
I can't remember what from
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there, but I did a bunch of Rush
tours, Neil Diamond tours and
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yeah.
How?
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How was how was the
indoctrination into touring
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working under Mr. Ungerleider
it?
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Was I love Howard?
Me too.
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He had his own way.
And yeah, hard to describe, but
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it was it was great.
Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
Now he's he's to this day, he's
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still a, you know, great friend
and a really fun dude.
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Like just a great guy to, to
just sit around and goof around
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with and drink Bloody Marys with
or Caesars.
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Depends if you're in Canada or
the US.
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But yeah.
So that's a good way to start on
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Rush.
And by then they were pretty big
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too.
Yeah, I think my my first load
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in the somebody had to go home.
There was a death in the family
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or something.
So my first load in they said,
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they said I was in the shop.
They said go pack your bags and
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and and go to Madison Square
Garden.
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So here I am, some little kid
walking in right in the middle
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of the of a big rush sold out
rush show at Madison Square
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Garden.
That kind of opened your eyes a
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little bit.
No kidding.
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Yeah.
Your friends must have been a
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little bit jealous at the time,
you know?
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Yeah.
So, you know, what are some of
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the other?
Like I said, so many great
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people went through C Factor,
but I don't know the timing of
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it all.
Like, you know, to be perfectly
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honest, I forgot all about Abby
being at C factor.
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I completely spaced on that.
But who else was around when you
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were there that's still like out
there today?
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Well, how many?
Well, Michael Weiss is one of
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the, yeah, probably more well
known ones.
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He was, he's now production
managing.
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So Abby was there.
Jack Funk, who was doing
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Dashboard Confessional for
years, Eddie Mutiko, Eddie Duda.
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Oh my, mine wasn't there yet.
Right.
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Was that after?
He he was there.
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He was there towards the end of
my stint there.
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Right.
And probably same with Craig
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Caserta.
Yeah, Craig was was towards the
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end of, not just after.
And Looney.
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Looney was there briefly.
Yeah, so they were all.
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Sort of later, yeah.
They were all later in the 80s
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and stuff.
No, just a a great breeding
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ground like them and and maybe
upstaging and obviously
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verilite.
A lot of people came through
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verilite, But so you connected
with the stones pretty early,
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right?
Oh, 94, I think you.
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Said 92.
I started with Keith.
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So this all, you know, the
whole, not only was Bob a great
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teacher, but back then he, he
had pretty wide range of, of, of
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clients or tours.
So I met Michael Ahern pretty
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early on and we met Dave Russell
and Al Santos and Patrick
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Woodruff and you know, and so
Michael Ahern, we were fairly
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close and I saw that Keith
Richards tour was coming up and
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I knew Michael was probably
involved.
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So I called him up and and
started off as a crew chief and
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then they fired the LD and I
took over from that and then
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that led ended up all the Stones
things.
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Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.
Yeah.
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So when was that?
What caused you to leave C
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factor going with the stones or
how did that all go down?
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No, it was just, it was time.
It just you know.
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Make it making $300.00 a week
working 100 hours and and the.
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Young man's job, Yeah.
Yeah, and I, I've never minded
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the hours.
I love the hours, but at some
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point you've, you've kind of
started making a little bit, a
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little bit of money living,
living in New York.
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City get it?
Yeah, I get it, I get it.
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So, you know, I hate to dwell on
the stones, but I'm, I'm always
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curious, you know, you, you when
you started with the stones,
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they were obviously still in
arenas and stuff, right?
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Or or had they already been?
Stadiums.
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Stadiums, yeah.
And I started off as I started
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off as a crew chief this patch.
One of the consoles he was he
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was using Dave Hill was was the
director using the, you know,
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the bearer light console,
whatever it was called?
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Yeah, I think it was pre
virtual.
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Before the virtuoso.
Yeah, yeah.
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Pre virtual and then he was
there was he was using a
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Telescan desk and also the Hog 1
and I was an APO guy.
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So Patrick said well, you know,
I want you on the tour because
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of my relationship with Keith
and his manager, I think and
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said what about doing the crew
chief chiefing job?
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I said, you know, I don't I'll
do anything.
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I just want to do the songs.
So yes.
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Right, right.
And then, yeah.
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So then after, you know, yeah,
then there was a progression of
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tours and Dave kind of retired
to be Stay home and and Sparky,
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Mark Risk and I Sparky was
running the Icon console and I
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was running an A bow out there.
And then eventually after a tour
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or two of that, we went down to
1 council and Patrick had
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offered it to Peso.
So that's, that's an interesting
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relationship and very long one
too between you and Patrick.
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Yeah.
What?
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What's that dynamic like, you
know, as far as designer,
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director, you know, do you have
a lot of input on the design?
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I would assume so.
Generally, I mean, Patrick is
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more of the the overall show
designer now, production
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designer, right?
Terry, Terry Cook from his
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office will work with Patrick
and they'll come up with the
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concept and the lights and, you
know, then they'll send out a
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they'll send a plot around.
And I mean, because of my
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history with the band, I know
there's certain things that I
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feel are really important and
just for my own well-being out
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there.
Yeah.
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The the, you know, the the one
comment that has had over the
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last few years is he's having
trouble.
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Can't see, see the audience as
well.
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So the the mobile lights and
audience like that's something I
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usually kind of.
Yeah.
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That's important to fight for,
but it's really.
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Yeah.
And that's the one, the one note
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I'll I'll get because, you know,
he's got, well, now he's got
431
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,800
four of the new, you know, Roby
spotlights in his eyes.
432
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,960
So yeah, of course he's going to
have trouble seeing.
433
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,800
But so you know what?
We'll talk about the design,
434
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,680
some of it to listen to me,
some, you know, but generally,
435
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,840
generally, you know, Terry,
really between Terry and
436
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Patrick, they really get it
right.
437
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:29,800
And then once we get out to, to
programming, you know, I have, I
438
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,000
have a lot of leeway in that,
but Terry and I'll sit, sit and
439
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,840
program.
He doesn't necessarily tell me
440
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,640
what to do, but we talk about
it.
441
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,400
There's a, there's a lot of
creative freedom in there.
442
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,440
And then once we're out on tour,
it's all me and Petricho.
443
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Petricho come in and he'll,
he'll make some notes and all.
444
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,760
But like I said, he's generally
more involved in the overall and
445
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,440
the and the video content now
'cause I think by now he trusts
446
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080
us to, Yeah.
Yeah, I would.
447
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,000
I would guess so. 30 years.
Kind of helps.
448
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,240
You some yeah, it buys you some
respect that just that kind of
449
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,600
dynamic like when you've got,
you know, sort of hands off
450
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,320
designers and then you've got
programmer director on the other
451
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,680
side, you know, like Peter
Morse's team usually or or
452
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Patrick or some of these
designers who don't really get
453
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,440
on the console anymore or maybe
never did in in some of their
454
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440
cases.
It's always an interesting
455
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,520
dynamic because I think it would
be very easy to sort of overstep
456
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,480
right like to to, you know, step
on somebody's ego or whatever
457
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,160
you want to call it.
And so I've always been curious
458
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,720
to, you know, the different sort
of versions of that dynamic,
459
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,520
that relationship.
Yeah, I mean Patrick's, Oh, he's
460
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880
he's great.
He's amazing as is, as is Terry.
461
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:02,560
You know, they let you, I don't
know, they, they definitely let
462
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,240
you have free reign over a lot
of, a lot of things.
463
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,840
You know, they'll make certain
comments.
464
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,680
My, my running joke with Terry
is he'll suggest something.
465
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,240
I'm like, and I'll say, Terry,
you know, I'm just going to
466
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,520
change it when you're gone
anyway.
467
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,120
So we might as well do it my
way.
468
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,840
And it's kind of a running joke.
But you know, it's also nice
469
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,040
because most the stuff that I
design, I like programming my
470
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,880
own shows because to me it's the
whole process and, and I enjoy
471
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,600
the programming part, but it's
nice when I do my own stuff.
472
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120
It's all solitary and it's it's
nice to have somebody there to
473
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,880
bounce ideas off of.
Right, right.
474
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,440
You know, I always say like.
That does Patrick ever come out
475
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640
to a show like, you know, a
little bit down the line on the
476
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,480
tour and and say, Ethan, what
the hell did you do?
477
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,240
You know this isn't what we
talked.
478
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,600
About no, I think there was no.
There was one one song we did
479
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,280
years ago where I had this
whatever my idea for for the
480
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,760
chorus and and we ran at the
first show and that one of his
481
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960
notes was like, you know, what
was that?
482
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,680
And I said, yeah, you know, This
is why I did.
483
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600
He said, I get it, but you know,
I'm not.
484
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Patrick is always very, he's
polite and always very positive.
485
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,800
So it's never what did what did
what the hell did you just do?
486
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,840
It was yeah, I got it.
But, you know, let's take a
487
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,280
season else.
He's also quite humble, like I,
488
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,960
you know, one time I was in the
UK, this is probably, I don't
489
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,240
know, 20 years ago, maybe more
than 20 years ago.
490
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:43,440
And I went with my now ex-wife
who worked for a record company.
491
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,600
And I was going with her 'cause
she had done a contest with
492
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Coldplay and they were playing
it at their old college or
493
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,280
whatever, Oxford I think it was.
And, and they were playing in
494
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,040
the, in the schoolyard
basically.
495
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,280
So, you know, they just set up
fences and barricades and stuff
496
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,480
around this schoolyard and, and
sold a bunch of tickets.
497
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080
And I don't know, I think it was
40,000 people or something in
498
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,600
this school field for Coldplay.
And she flew over with a bunch
499
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,640
of contest winners.
And and so I was walking, I
500
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
think because I was kind of
bored doing her record things,
501
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,320
so she gave me a laminate and I
went out and talked with the
502
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,640
production people and stuff at
front of house.
503
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,280
And, and I was walking back and
I see Patrick sitting on a
504
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,760
blanket with his family, you
know, snacking on carrots or
505
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,680
something.
And I said, Patrick and he goes,
506
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,520
oh, Marcel, how you doing mate?
And I said, I'm good.
507
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,360
You know what?
What are you doing here on a
508
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
blanket?
And he says, I'm just a punter,
509
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
you know, I'm, I'm just watching
the show.
510
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,880
I love Coldplay.
And I said, well, you don't have
511
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
credentials.
And he said no, no, we bought
512
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
tickets.
And I said, hang on a second.
513
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,240
So I just went back and talked
to somebody and got like 4 silk
514
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,120
passes for him or something, you
know?
515
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,800
And just said come on, you know?
And so, but he was just so
516
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,520
humble about it.
Like, it's incredible.
517
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Yeah, he's great and he'll talk
to anybody.
518
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,760
And you know, it's not talking
about himself.
519
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,320
He's generally interested and
other people and what they have
520
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,600
to say and.
Right, Yeah, that's cool.
521
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,280
He's he's definitely a legend.
He is a legend, Mr. Woodruff.
522
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:35,680
So other other acts that are
notable that you've worked with,
523
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,920
I'm seeing kind of a list here.
Obviously you too.
524
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,280
I'm aware of that one.
But tell me a little bit about
525
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520
that, I guess.
Were you involved in the sphere
526
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320
as well?
Yes.
527
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Yeah.
Cool.
528
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,720
I was very cool.
The sphere was obviously
529
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,880
Willie's genius and and then
Alex Murphy.
530
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:05,200
So I'd done 360 with Willie and
Alex and then Alex was calling
531
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,600
spots and running smoke,
etcetera.
532
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,360
And and this tour, this tour I
did all the OR the sphere.
533
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,800
I did all the key lighting.
Yeah.
534
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,880
For with it.
Yeah, interesting.
535
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,360
Was that like one of the weirder
gig you've ever done?
536
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
It was interesting, you know,
because we that was the first
537
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,280
show in there.
So while we're rehearsing, we
538
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,400
had two months in there while
they're still building the place
539
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,679
and and trying to do their
movie.
540
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,280
It was it was an amazing
experience.
541
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,480
I mean, all the way around work,
working with Willie is always,
542
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,639
always great.
You know, he's, he's a very,
543
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,320
very clever man and some of the
stuff he does is, it's amazing.
544
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,800
Well, watching some of that
video content coming together
545
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,040
too had to be had to be fun, you
know, just because it's just
546
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,920
like as long as you've been
doing this and as many
547
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,640
incredible, huge, massive,
wonderful shows you've done,
548
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,520
there's just nothing like the
sphere.
549
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,480
It's it's a one off, you know,
Yeah.
550
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,480
Yeah, and I, and we knew we went
for a, a demo at the, the little
551
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Mini sphere in Burbank, right?
I had some of the content and
552
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640
we're sitting there and they
started running the content.
553
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,000
And even though it was whatever
the scale was like, wow, this is
554
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,520
going to be amazing.
And it was after after 40 shows
555
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,000
and however many rehearsals I
never ever got tired of.
556
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Really.
Of anything about the show,
557
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,720
yeah, always look, look forward
to it and just really enjoyed
558
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,320
it.
Yeah, I had Jake, Jake on and we
559
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
talked about it for a while.
And you know, one of my things
560
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,560
I'm, I'm now granted, I didn't
see it, but like when I saw a
561
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,320
video of the U2 shows, one of
the problems I was having is
562
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,200
because the video is so insane.
I had a hard time finding Bono.
563
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Yeah, like I couldn't find the
band.
564
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,240
I'm watching YouTube videos
going sounds amazing.
565
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,360
The video's incredible, but
where's the band?
566
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,800
Like, I can't find the band.
And of course, that's nothing
567
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,720
about the lighting at all.
That's just what, Yeah.
568
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,280
Thanks.
Just to show me down the river,
569
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,800
yeah.
No, but that's what you get with
570
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,800
the sphere that you can't, you
can't compete with the video
571
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,520
obviously.
You just can't forget it so.
572
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,080
I always, I always said you, you
should see a show.
573
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,800
Sorry, you should see a the show
twice, once you, you watch the
574
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,880
video and then the second time
you look at the true Yeah.
575
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,960
You know, the, the best seats in
the house I think are, are like
576
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,640
the, the 300 level back behind
us, 'cause you get the whole
577
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,280
view.
I went and saw the Eagles there.
578
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
OK.
I, I think was, was spent during
579
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,040
LDI weekend.
Yeah.
580
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,040
And, and we were sitting down
lower and it was interesting
581
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,480
'cause it was a, a different
perspective from from where I
582
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,960
watched the show for, you know,
however many months, 'cause
583
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,440
lower the Pam was more of a
presence, 'cause they're right
584
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560
in front of me, obviously,
right.
585
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,000
So maybe, maybe the idea as you
see it twice, once from from
586
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560
midway up and once from from
down close.
587
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,040
Right.
Yeah, No, that makes sense.
588
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,960
Well, and I think it's also
like, again, the Eagles is
589
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,760
another one that I just, you
know, I love the Eagles, but I'd
590
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,240
rather see them in a theatre or
something than than in the
591
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,840
sphere.
Whereas like fish or or that
592
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Grateful Dead thing you'd rather
see in the sphere, you know,
593
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,240
because they're very visual.
Pink Floyd would be amazing in
594
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,280
the.
Sphere, obviously.
595
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Incredible.
Hopefully that happens, like
596
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
hopefully somebody's throwing
bazillions of dollars.
597
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Around to get their Floyd, Yeah.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
598
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,400
You know, I mean, one of the one
of the brilliant things Willie
599
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,400
did was there was, was the
section in the middle where they
600
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,280
would change.
That was one part of the setlist
601
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,880
that would change from night to
night.
602
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,320
And you know, it turned into
here's the band.
603
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,600
It's about the band and about
the stage, which, you know, had
604
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,160
the algorithm that color that it
picked its own color.
605
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,920
So there was really minimal
stuff on the on the screen then.
606
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,200
So at least it was that moment
of in the middle where, all
607
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
right, here's the band stop
looking at the screen.
608
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,480
Yeah, yeah.
So obviously you 2 and and and
609
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,360
stones, you know, being massive
where you were director
610
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,360
programmer, but what about some
of the what what about some of
611
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,600
the design tours that you've
done like notable stuff?
612
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,720
Well, I, I did a few tours with
designing Green Day, semi
613
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,400
chemical romance stuff.
I spent eight years or so with
614
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,720
Lou Reed.
I did some Bob Dylan.
615
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,000
I had a, a decent little design
thing going.
616
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
And then, you know, I always
say, well, I'm not sure if the
617
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,560
stones was the best thing that
happened to me or the worst
618
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
thing 'cause I always made
myself available for it.
619
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,880
But I don't, you know, I
wouldn't change a thing.
620
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,880
It's been amazing.
And of course, I'm not one who
621
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,480
really dwells on titles like I
don't, I don't care if you know
622
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,400
I, I know my part in it.
I know that whatever it is, a
623
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,120
large part of the visuals, you
know, Hopefully I've had some
624
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,160
something to do with it.
Huge, huge, yeah.
625
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,280
Hopefully.
Well, I mean, who wouldn't want
626
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,600
to be sitting at the desk every
night when, you know, stadium
627
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,400
lights go down And, yeah, it's
amazing, you know, start me up
628
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,080
or whatever it is that they
start with.
629
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,720
You know, it's like, whoa, it's
going to be cool every single
630
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,840
time.
I always say like my kids, my
631
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,480
kids are 1212 and 14 and they've
seen a bunch of stone shows and
632
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,600
I always, they come out, they, I
take them out front right before
633
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,440
the show.
You know, they always sit on my
634
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,880
rise or, or unless they're
running around God knows where
635
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
during the show.
But but I always tell them I'm
636
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,080
like, this is one of the best
things in my about my job when I
637
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,800
walk out and I always walk out
from stage, right, Unless it's
638
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,560
impossible.
To walk out from backstage into
639
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:26,760
a stadium full of people who are
just, you know, on up up here
640
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,680
waiting for The Rolling Stones.
Or you 2 or something, 40 or 50
641
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,000
years, these people you know?
Yeah, it's the mostly exciting
642
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,720
thing.
Yeah.
643
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,480
And you never take, never take
it for granted, you know, make
644
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360
never, never puts in less than
100%.
645
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,360
I I feel the same way.
Yeah, I love that.
646
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,760
Like, I, I obviously you can go
out and see some bands who just
647
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,520
kind of sit there and play the
songs and, or sometimes they
648
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,680
actually even sit like they've
got a chair on stage and stuff.
649
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Like, you know, OK, they still
sound great, but I can sit at
650
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,080
home and, and, you know, listen
to, yeah, listen to the album or
651
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,200
whatever.
I, I don't need to, you know, go
652
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,760
pay $75.00 for parking to watch
people play the album.
653
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,360
But you know, to see Mick and,
and you know, Steven Tyler, who,
654
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,760
you know, obviously struggles
with some things, but he's still
655
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,800
a rock star.
When he does go out and gig, he
656
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,760
doesn't mail it in.
He, he puts in, he puts on a
657
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,880
rock show.
You know, I love those people.
658
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Like I, you know, all of those,
you know, guys who are in their
659
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,280
70s and 80s now who are like
just still killing it out there.
660
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,080
I love it.
It's so good.
661
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
So we were talking, we were
talking before we started like
662
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,440
some of the, some of the massive
things that both you and I, I
663
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,080
think we're similar age have
seen in our industry, you know,
664
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,280
being that we're a little older
than than some of the people in
665
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,760
it today.
You know, I got to be there when
666
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,120
moving lights started.
And you know, I, I love that.
667
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Like I, I wasn't out doing
shows, I was selling stuff when
668
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,520
moving lights started.
And, and so I jumped on that
669
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,280
bandwagon.
I said, hey, these things might
670
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,360
stick around.
I'm going to learn all about
671
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,040
them and go out and become an
account executive selling moving
672
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,440
lights.
And, but you know, so many
673
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,120
people now just take it all for
granted.
674
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,240
Like, you know, it's like, hey,
we all have these massive
675
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,600
digital consoles with a
bazillion universes on them and
676
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,120
you know, all these pre
programmed effects and all this
677
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,720
stuff like and we all have 1000
moving lights on every show.
678
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,000
You know, like what you
obviously did shows when there
679
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,040
weren't moving lights on them,
I'm guessing.
680
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Yeah, Parkins spent, you know,
and I actually recently did, I
681
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,040
did a short Iggy Pop run and
there was a very limited budget
682
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,440
for lighting.
And this was one of the best
683
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
things I've ever done, by the
way, Iggy Pop, just to be able
684
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,280
to watch him for how?
For many shows we did.
685
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Yeah.
So I mean.
686
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,200
I I was furry left his shirt on
at this point in his life.
687
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,840
But but other than that, like as
a performer.
688
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,280
Wow, that guy just blows my
mind.
689
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,520
Yeah, you get to the end of the
show and like that, that was
690
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,760
only, you know, 80 minutes.
And then you look at the set
691
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,640
list, you're like, that was 20
songs in 80 minutes.
692
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,400
You know, we Stones do 1920
songs over two 2 1/2 hours, but
693
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,880
so we had a a fairly limited
lighting budget.
694
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
I I had enough to bring out a
few floor lights and then we
695
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,640
used house lights everywhere and
there was somewhere where they
696
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,720
didn't have any lights.
So we brought a system and I
697
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,520
designed a nice, you know,
moving light rig and money came
698
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,200
the the quote came in.
It was a bit more than they
699
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,280
wanted to spend.
And I talked to the manager.
700
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,600
I'm like, hey, do you mind if
I'd like to just do a, a park
701
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,560
hand show, No color bars?
No, no color show.
702
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,480
He's like, yeah, so.
Old school.
703
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,720
Yeah, so PRG scraped the bowels
of their warehouse.
704
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,840
I was in there something while
they were prepping it and I was
705
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,920
telling the guy say, can you
make sure that all the bottles
706
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,320
are up and down stage and like
looked at me like what are you
707
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,840
talking about?
Anyway, so I did an old color
708
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,720
show.
I did have one, one circuit of
709
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,440
red.
Forgive me danger.
710
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,200
And afterwards the manager came
up.
711
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,360
He's he just said with a smile
on his face.
712
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,960
He said, I just want to thank
you.
713
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,400
I said it has been so long since
I've seen a par can show and it
714
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440
was amazing, you know, to see
those lights again.
715
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,800
Were you running Park Hands on
an MA3 console though or?
716
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,520
MA2 I'm still I'm still MA two.
Yeah, but I should have.
717
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,160
That's funny, yeah.
I mean, it'd be funny though if
718
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,320
you rented a, an expression two
or something and brought that in
719
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,920
to Run Park hands on or a an old
Ava or whatever, you know?
720
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Yeah, yeah, that would have been
fitting.
721
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Yeah, I mean, again, it's same
with sound.
722
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,280
Like by the way, I, you know, I
have a, a few guys like I, I
723
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,960
kind of grew up with, do you
know Jim Yakoboski, front of
724
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,280
house guy.
No.
725
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,440
He's done loads of different
stuff.
726
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,240
He now works for Solo Tech, but
he's been a front of house guy
727
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,840
for years and years and years.
But he, I come from Calgary,
728
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,960
Canada and he was a club club
sound guy working for club bands
729
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,840
in, in Canada, rock bands.
And like he could take these old
730
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,120
sound systems with JBLW bins and
45 sixties and these like
731
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,400
stacked, really junky sound
systems and just make them sound
732
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,400
incredible.
And then he could go on to these
733
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
new Martin Audio.
They called them the phase plug
734
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680
systems.
And he could go on to those and
735
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
make them sound incredible.
And now I've heard them with
736
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,960
line arrays making them sound
incredible.
737
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,600
You know, a great, a great, you
know, engineer or a great person
738
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,880
at the console or at the
controls should be able to make
739
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,320
anything sound good or look
good, right?
740
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,440
And you know, the ability to
make it look great.
741
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,240
Like, you know, one example also
was when, when Brickman showed
742
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,760
up with Neil Young at I think it
was Coachella with 16 follow
743
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,480
spots and that's it.
That was the lighting rig and
744
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,080
they went where, where's your
lights?
745
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,800
You know, this is it.
This is our Lights 16 follow
746
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,320
spots.
You know, I love that stuff.
747
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,080
I love that stuff.
You know, one one of the yeah, I
748
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,480
mean, so, you know, I hate to
get into conversations where it
749
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,080
sounds like, you know, these
kids these days 'cause there's
750
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,840
so many talented young up and
coming people in our industry
751
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,840
who are just doing incredible
things.
752
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,040
But the toolbox is so much more
full today than it was, you
753
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,400
know, back in the day, like we
tend to say way too often.
754
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Yeah, but I, I mean, I always
say it was back then it was a
755
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,240
lot harder design to design your
rig.
756
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,000
You know, that's what really
took the time because you had to
757
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,080
get placements, right.
You had to get fixtures, whether
758
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,920
they're Litcos or Pars or
Fernells, it get all that in the
759
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,000
right place.
Pick your colors beforehand.
760
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,960
So that was time consuming.
Now it's, you know, there's
761
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,040
never enough time on on the
other end to program that
762
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,880
because all these lights can do
so much.
763
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,280
But you know, you pick your
trust, your trust shape and you
764
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,920
load it with whatever the, you
know, your favorite movers are.
765
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Yeah, but but you know, it was
interesting.
766
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:53,040
I, I was over at visiting with
John Featherstone and Hailey
767
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Featherstone and, and Chris
Herman while they were
768
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,960
programming some Hans Zimmer
stuff and we were talking about
769
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,400
some lights and, and, and John
showed me a video of some light
770
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,040
he's, he's about to use.
And the one comment was from
771
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,800
both of us.
I think it was what a beautiful
772
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,000
looking light.
It looks just like a par can,
773
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,040
you know, but obviously you can
change color, but there's
774
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,600
there's still something about
that quality of the beam from a
775
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,480
par can.
Yeah, Yeah, you're right.
776
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,040
You're totally right.
Well, and I like that we're
777
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,720
going back to some of that.
Like it.
778
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:33,040
It seems like more manufacturers
now, lighting manufacturers are
779
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,720
starting to say, OK, you know,
we've done things that are
780
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,960
incredibly bright and throw for
12 miles and do all these
781
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,560
different things.
But let's go back to basics a
782
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,480
little bit.
And like one of my favorite is
783
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,760
is the little Martin thing the
Mac 1.
784
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,480
I just used that for the first
time.
785
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,240
Yeah, yeah, it's a nice thing.
It's.
786
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,280
So cool.
It's great, you know, and it's,
787
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,600
it's cheap, it costs nothing
practically, and it just does a
788
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,560
few things really, really well
and, and fits in small spaces
789
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,000
and, and I like that, like I
like sort of scaling it back
790
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,120
again.
And and, you know, I don't know,
791
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,200
like having every light with the
ability to do everything to me
792
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,680
just has become a little bit
vanilla, you know?
793
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,320
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like this is my light that
794
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,760
does beam wash profile effects,
you know, or, or whatever,
795
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,400
right.
And how about having like some
796
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,080
layers and some different
fixtures and stuff like that?
797
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,280
I don't know, you know, again,
I, I think like an old guy,
798
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,280
probably.
Although at the same time, you
799
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,680
know, for years we all we had to
alternate.
800
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,160
OK, here's my wash light next to
my profile next to my wash.
801
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,680
And, and I mean, my favorite
light of the last 20 years was
802
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,920
probably the Martin air effects
because you could do gobos and
803
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,560
it had a great quality, the
light.
804
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,360
And all of a sudden, instead of
having all to alternate, all of
805
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,280
a sudden I had, you know, 100
lights that if I wanted a big
806
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,400
strong looking wash or big
strong Kobo look, you could do
807
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,000
it with every single light.
Not, not every other one.
808
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,160
So, but but at the same time,
now the lights that can, you
809
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,120
know, have a built in strobe and
could do this and this and this.
810
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Yeah, I I agree it I get it, but
it can be a little bit much.
811
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
812
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,040
I, I just think that I think,
you know, we're seeing some
813
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,840
changes to go back the other
direction a little bit where you
814
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,440
do have some sort of specialized
fixtures that just do something
815
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,960
really, really well and they
don't try to be everything to
816
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,240
everyone.
And there may be priced a little
817
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,240
better.
We're looking at weight again as
818
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,880
being, you know, a thing like
let's get the weight back down
819
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,720
on these things, maybe a few
less channels on some of them.
820
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,040
Like not everything has to be
controlled by 200 channels or
821
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,000
whatever.
That's it.
822
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400
That's the same thing.
I mean, there's there's somebody
823
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,280
was showing me a light the other
day that's 300 so much.
824
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,560
And so I'm like everything I
run, I just want to run it in
825
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,400
basic mode.
I want light to come out of it.
826
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,200
I want it to be able to turn it
red if I want to flash it around
827
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,360
a little bit like who has time?
And but, you know, then again, I
828
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,240
must because I program my own
shows and I'm a little slower,
829
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,800
you know, these Wiz kids, Yeah,
who who can deal with all that
830
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,080
stuff.
I'm like, I don't have time to
831
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,400
look at every single at all.
Yeah, I know.
832
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,640
I I agree with you.
I get it.
833
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,560
Well, the other thing is power
like, you know, so I remember
834
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,520
not that long ago, less than 10
years ago probably where we were
835
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,520
saying, Oh my God, you know,
it's, it's great because we've
836
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,280
reduced power so much on these,
on these rigs.
837
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,640
You know, we've cut power
because of LEDs by 75%.
838
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Well, no, we haven't because now
we're putting like 2000 Watt LE
839
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,560
DS in fixtures and and thousand
Watt LE DS and stuff.
840
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,520
For some reason we're trying to,
you know, out glare the the
841
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,440
video screens now and
everything's got to be 40,000
842
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,880
lumens and stuff.
And, and so we've given up on
843
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,880
the on the power benefit that we
had.
844
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,640
We've given up on the weight
benefit that we had, the size,
845
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,840
they've gotten bigger again.
And so, yeah, I mean, I don't
846
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,440
know, I, I guess engineers who
are creating new lighting
847
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,000
fixtures know what they're
doing, I assume and because they
848
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920
are coming out with some really
cool innovation, but I'm just
849
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,440
not sure I always agree with the
strategy, but what do I know?
850
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,240
Well.
And I mean, as far as the power
851
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,440
one, one thing I used to say
was, well, yeah, you know, a
852
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,760
Park Hand might eat up more than
power than this.
853
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,520
But a park hands on for focus,
for programming and for the
854
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,360
show, you know, the the moving
lights, all the discharge
855
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,840
lights, you'd strike them in the
morning and and they were so,
856
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,040
you know, nobody wanted to to
douse them because who knew if
857
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,360
they were going to strike again?
So now you've got lights that
858
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,200
are on for 14 hours a day
instead of whatever.
859
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,760
Now, at least with the LE DS and
stuff, when when they're not on,
860
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,440
they're not trying much power.
The only problem is, and this is
861
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,840
a problem I find with some of
some of the young kids or not
862
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,480
necessarily young kids, but a
lot of people, you know, I saw a
863
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,240
show, I won't say what it was.
It was stadium show.
864
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,800
It looked great, but every
single song had everything
865
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,280
going.
I'm like, you know, I get it,
866
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,240
you got all these toys, but you
need this to make this work and
867
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,680
this to make this work.
Like give the audience a rest
868
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,240
'cause it's exhausting.
Yeah, yeah.
869
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,840
Another, another great Brickman
quote.
870
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,760
Brickman said to me, you know, I
you know, what I hate is those
871
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,720
EDM shows.
And I said, what?
872
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,360
And he says, well, you know, the
last thing I want if I'm
873
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,520
standing there stoned out of my
fucking brains on Molly, is a
874
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,520
bunch of lights flashing in my
face constantly, you know it,
875
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,240
with a bazillion lumens and
stuff.
876
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,360
And I said, yeah, you kind of
got a point there, buddy?
877
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Yeah.
And, and you know, it's not to
878
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,360
say they don't look amazing, but
God give, they do give us a rest
879
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,280
for a minute, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
880
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,440
And it is.
Yeah, yeah.
881
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,480
And you know, one of the great
things I learned from Mick was
882
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,240
and it, you know, he knows his
audience is more than any.
883
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,160
I've actually learned a fair
amount of lighting from those
884
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,800
guys.
I had a conversation with Keith
885
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,360
and I'd read an article about
his, you know, some of his years
886
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,960
on guitar playing and.
And he said, you know, you can
887
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:53,360
play as much you can whatever
it's, it's meaningful not to
888
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,760
play as it is to play.
I'm like, yeah, you know, it's
889
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,520
you can do as much by leaving it
dark as you can by having it
890
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,960
big.
You need all the peaks and
891
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,400
valleys and.
No, I get, I completely get what
892
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,000
he's saying.
Like, I think what he's saying
893
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,440
is is, you know, in in this much
time, I could put, you know,
894
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,840
1000 notes or I could put eight
really well placed,
895
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,560
strategically played, incredible
notes that give people, you
896
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,320
know, a reaction.
And he's right.
897
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,200
He's right.
Like one of my favorite guitar
898
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,240
solos is David Gilmour
Comfortably Numb, which is very
899
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,480
few notes.
There's not a lot of notes in
900
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,680
that solo, but it's just so
perfect and so beautiful for
901
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,560
that piece of music, you know?
Yeah, and.
902
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,120
That translates the lighting.
Yeah, but that translates the
903
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880
lighting too.
And I agree a lot of people,
904
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,240
because there's this, you know,
massive amount of things you
905
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,960
could do with all these lights.
Yeah.
906
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,640
I feel like, you know, I've been
doing some stuff with Jackson
907
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,320
Browne lately and it's hard.
You know, you want to as a
908
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,160
lighting guy, you want to make
these hits and, and have some
909
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,120
movement.
And it was an.
910
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,960
Oz.
I don't know, 'cause I look at
911
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,120
his audience, I'm like, they
don't want to see that.
912
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,720
They want to watch Jackson.
They want to make sure he's LED.
913
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,240
You know, they can see him and
they want a nice pretty scene
914
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,000
behind him.
And it's as a lighting person.
915
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,320
It's really hard.
But you know, I think, you know,
916
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,200
are we doing this for us?
Are we doing this for the
917
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,360
audience?
That's the perfect, perfect
918
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,120
point.
That's exactly what I would say
919
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,200
about that is, is, you know, is
this about my ego or is this
920
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,120
about making the artist look as
good as I possibly can and, and
921
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,000
allowing people to really enjoy
the music more, You know, But
922
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,040
yeah, I'm with you on that.
And, you know, there are, and I
923
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,640
don't really want to mention
names, but there are some very
924
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,800
classic artists, let's call them
Beetlesque types of artists who
925
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,960
I've seen some shows where it
was just like, you know,
926
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,640
strobing in white, everything on
the stage and stuff like that.
927
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,160
And like, I'm just like, that
doesn't work for me, you know,
928
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,840
Like I'm not, I'm not a lighting
designer.
929
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,240
You're a extremely talented guy
and all this.
930
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:15,000
But you know, when when I'm
listening to a classic, classic
931
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,440
song, you know, to me that's
much more subtlety.
932
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Like that's, you know, so I
don't know, like I, I think
933
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000
there's a time and a place, you
know, there's and if the time
934
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,440
and the place is every bar of
music the whole night, you're
935
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,000
gonna wear out your audience.
Yeah, yeah.
936
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,720
That's what I think anyways.
Yeah, and same thing about
937
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,640
blinding the audience.
You know, I, I try to, obviously
938
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,080
we can't avoid it all the time,
but I try to make a conscious
939
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,240
effort not to piss off the
audience.
940
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,960
Cause I mean, I've, I've been in
the audience where there's a
941
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,560
light in my eyes, you know, for
half the show and it's just
942
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,360
annoying.
Yeah.
943
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Other, although I will say my
possibly the one of my favorite
944
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,960
cues ever that I've done, I used
to, I did a few tours with
945
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Angels and Airwaves, the guitar
player from Blank's solo band.
946
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,040
And I it's just a little club
rig.
947
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:17,440
And I had these see, early days
of the LED pars and I had these
948
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:23,480
pars in red on these towers.
And I would start off at like
949
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,960
10% strobing and over the course
of, I can't remember 3 minutes,
950
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,040
they would gradually, they were
gradually going up to full and
951
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,720
like the pure torture in the in
the front row.
952
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,400
But you know, it was that kind
of audience.
953
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320
And then yeah, yeah.
And they could have shut and
954
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,200
and, and the band really, I
think, kind of appreciated it.
955
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,200
Well, I think.
If you would only one small
956
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,680
moment, yeah.
Yeah, if you did that all night,
957
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,880
they'd get annoyed after a while
'cause they can't see the band,
958
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,360
they can't see their girlfriend,
they can't see anything.
959
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,720
You know, it's like, come on,
man.
960
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Yeah.
I mean, generally if, if I'm
961
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,800
going to see a performer, I kind
of want to see the performer.
962
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,800
And see the performer.
Yeah, I've, I've spent half my
963
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,000
career, most of my career
looking up at the, at the lights
964
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,760
and stuff.
But I don't know now, like, I
965
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:17,840
guess the bigger problem I have
is, is just because automated
966
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,400
lights and LED screens now are
so accessible, like everyone has
967
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,280
them in their inventory.
It's so easy to design so much
968
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,200
of it into every show.
And it really does like when
969
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,000
people put, there's two things
that I used to be able to really
970
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,920
see.
And so when people would put a
971
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,760
lighting shot on the on the on
social media or something, I
972
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,600
would be able to tell what act
it was.
973
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,240
Can't anymore.
I can't even tell you what genre
974
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,520
of music it is anymore because
they all look the same.
975
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,800
Like Andrea Bocelli is going to
look the same.
976
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,760
And I'm, I'm just saying that
name.
977
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,040
I haven't seen the show, so I
don't even know who designs it.
978
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,240
But you know, a, a classical
show might look the exact same
979
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,960
as a heavy metal show as a
Metallica show or something.
980
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,560
And, and then the other one is I
can't tell a light fixture from
981
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,960
another anymore either.
Like you used to be able to look
982
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,120
up and go, Oh, that's AVL 5.
That's a.
983
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Cyber light, that's whatever.
Not anymore.
984
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,760
Like they all basically look the
same.
985
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,640
So it's it's different,
definitely different you were.
986
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,160
Saying much of it is driven, oh,
sorry, but a lot of it is
987
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,520
driven, is driven by the bands,
you know, the bands think that
988
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,080
they need the video and.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's Wiseman
989
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,600
who told me that.
Like he says, you know, Beyoncé,
990
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,560
I'll go out and see Jlo or
something and or, or Taylor
991
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,440
Swift and she'll say I want a
rig bigger than Taylor Swift.
992
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,320
You know, I want, she's got one
of those.
993
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,480
I want two of those, you know,
that kind of thing.
994
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,400
Like there is some, some
competition with the artists,
995
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,800
which, you know, drives up the
budget and and everything else,
996
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,320
which is fine, I guess.
But yeah, what do I know?
997
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,960
So you said you're still MA 2.
Is that for a reason, or is that
998
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,120
just because you just haven't
moved on to the three yet?
999
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Because the shows have been
doing like, you know, the stones
1000
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,000
has been a progression since,
you know, for years.
1001
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,920
So that was always on the on the
two and I've been doing John
1002
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,240
Mayer for a while and that
started off programming for two
1003
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,240
and, and I actually had an
epiphany.
1004
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,320
I hate using words like that,
sorry, but at, at LDI 'cause I
1005
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:44,640
was really I, I, I got pretty
horribly burned by the hog 3.
1006
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,480
So I'm a little gun shy to
switch to any console before
1007
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,440
it's really ready.
And the idea of having to learn
1008
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,840
a new console was just at my,
you know, I'm obviously on the,
1009
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,360
I'm not ready to retire yet
because I still love what I do,
1010
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,520
but I'm definitely on the
downswing instead of the
1011
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,240
upswing.
I thought, how do I really have
1012
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,920
to, to learn a new console?
But you know, I spent some time
1013
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,440
talking to Eric, Eric
Marchwinski and, you know, I was
1014
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,560
thinking about it.
We were talking about the three
1015
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,600
and, and I was thinking about,
I'm like, well, why?
1016
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,560
You know, why not look at it as
something fun to do?
1017
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,600
Look at it as a challenge.
It's like learning a new
1018
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,400
language or something.
And so, so I'm, I'm home for, I
1019
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,840
don't know, a month or so.
So I'm going to start the
1020
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,360
process of of going to the
three.
1021
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,160
Oh cool, but.
Yeah, so 2 reasons.
1022
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,360
The shows I haven't I've been
doing we're on to and if it's
1023
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,520
working, you know, even if it's
a new iteration, you're still
1024
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,560
building up the other one.
Yeah, well, and a lot of people
1025
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,800
are doing it in two steps too.
You know, they go to the three
1026
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,120
hardware, but the two software,
at first, you know, they'll run
1027
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,720
it in two mode and then they'll
eventually sort of move on to
1028
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,160
three mode.
And pretty much now I'm sure you
1029
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,040
have those conversations way
more than I do.
1030
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,000
But everyone I talked to now is
like, yeah, the three now is
1031
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,840
making my life better.
You know, for a while I hated
1032
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:12,880
it.
I fought it.
1033
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,840
I didn't want to do it.
When I did it, I went backwards
1034
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,240
again, but now it's actually
making my life better, you know
1035
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,720
it.
It really works for me now,
1036
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,520
though.
That's a good thing.
1037
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,800
Just in time for the four to
come out.
1038
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,680
Yeah, right, right.
You know, and I, I mean, when I
1039
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,160
think about the number of
councils we've all had to learn
1040
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,160
over the course of our life and
I, I was AVO for years and years
1041
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:44,280
and but it, you know, the now it
can do everything.
1042
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,280
I think it's an amazing console
and I love all the all the guys
1043
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,160
at AVO but.
Yeah.
1044
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,440
It's just I had to switch
eventually switch over cause
1045
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,520
'cause they kind of.
Have you ever looked at the D 9?
1046
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,680
I don't know much about it, but
I know people who say it's
1047
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,480
incredible and all that stuff,
but.
1048
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,160
Yeah, it and it it is.
And I love Brad White.
1049
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,680
The console is great and it's
and it's easy.
1050
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,800
You know, the biggest problem
is, is availability.
1051
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,560
Like if you're doing a world
tour, I know that you know, when
1052
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,920
I if I run into a problem in
Thailand or something, I know I
1053
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,760
can get, I can get.
A yeah, locally.
1054
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:33,000
And so, yeah, that's kind of the
I've, I've fought years on that
1055
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,240
problem when I worked for Martin
because, you know, they would
1056
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,680
say, people would say, yeah, but
I can get, you know, high end
1057
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,160
this or that or I can get
verilite this or that in the
1058
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,120
market.
I can't get Martin fixtures if I
1059
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,120
need them.
So, you know, you need to build
1060
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,520
up a sort of a distribution
network, a rental network before
1061
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,000
you come to me asking me to spec
them on my shows.
1062
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,320
And so that's what I did.
You know, I I just kind of
1063
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,880
worked, worked with the
designers and worked with the
1064
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,200
lighting companies and said,
hey, we need to get this built
1065
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,920
up because Ethan wants to use it
on the stones or whatever, you
1066
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,360
know, and, and it worked, you
know, overtime.
1067
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,040
Martin's now pretty big.
But yeah, I mean, the whole
1068
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,360
console thing is interesting
because, you know, if you think
1069
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,520
about it, like, I'm sure you
know Bob Gordon, right?
1070
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,880
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so yeah, me too.
1071
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,960
He's I just did this thing at
LDI called Dining with Dinosaurs
1072
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,320
and Bob was one of the
dinosaurs.
1073
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,880
It was fun.
But you know, Bob being Hog 1,
1074
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,440
Hog 2, and unfortunately, I
think he was still there for Hog
1075
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,520
three or no, that was a high end
product probably, but you know,
1076
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,680
top of the world with Hog 2 and
they pull the line from him
1077
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:54,240
because high end bought it and
suddenly he's got no console and
1078
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,560
just pulls out the MA out of
nowhere, out of the sky, you
1079
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,400
know, and just hits gold again.
I mean, just unbelievable.
1080
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:10,160
Yeah, I, I, I went to LDI and I
needed to switch to a new
1081
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,800
console and that's when the
grandma won was around and I
1082
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,120
went and I got a, you know,
whatever this short spiel from,
1083
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,840
from whoever was doing it.
And he had a long, a long pinky
1084
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,640
nail and he's hitting the screen
like this, like this.
1085
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,040
I'm like, I'm not using that
console.
1086
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,200
Like that is not a rock'n'roll
board if you got to use your
1087
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,280
little fingernail to do it,
unfortunately.
1088
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,040
So I lost a few years on the on
the grandma one, but eventually
1089
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,240
after the after the hog three, I
needed, I knew I needed a new
1090
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,920
console and nook nook was trying
to convince me to use the Maxis,
1091
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,120
but every show I'd go to,
everybody was on the grandma
1092
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,200
one.
I'm like I, you know?
1093
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,600
Yeah, that sounds like you made
the.
1094
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,200
Right choice.
Yeah.
1095
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,680
Luckily, yeah.
Although it's interesting what
1096
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,040
happened with the Maxis, you
know, that like Elation bought
1097
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,600
it and turned it into the
Subsidian console range, which
1098
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,800
is like just a jump below all
the MA stuff for the smaller
1099
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,760
shows and installations and that
stuff.
1100
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,120
And they've done really, really
well.
1101
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,280
It's nice stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
1102
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,440
I mean and.
That's the thing, there's so
1103
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,840
many different markets.
You know, as as much as you
1104
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,720
don't, you don't see a lot of a
balls out on the bigger tours.
1105
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,160
There's still, you know, there's
a huge market for them and
1106
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,800
they're great consoles and yeah,
yeah.
1107
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,200
Yeah, well, and I think now
they've got their manufacturing
1108
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,600
shit together a little better
too, you know, as far as at
1109
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,280
least expanding sort of mass
manufacturing or whatever now
1110
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,200
that they're part of Roby.
So, you know, there's, there's a
1111
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,840
place for them.
Absolutely.
1112
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,920
You know, it's just, I don't
know, like when MA has the
1113
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,760
market share that they have, I
don't know that attacking the
1114
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,440
top end of the market is, is the
best strategy right now, you
1115
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,000
know, 'cause they're going to be
hard to knock off that that
1116
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,840
perch that they're on up there,
you know?
1117
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,320
Yeah, so.
And they're and they're great
1118
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,800
people.
You know that that was the thing
1119
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,120
when the when the three came out
and all the horror stories you
1120
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,200
heard about it.
But you know, you know all the
1121
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,279
people who are responsible for
it and, and because you like
1122
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,359
them so much like, well, all
right, we're going to give it
1123
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,240
the benefit or doubt.
I know it's going to come
1124
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,479
around.
Let's just give it some time.
1125
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:35,040
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
So do you ever, do you ever
1126
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,439
bring young people out on any of
your cruise?
1127
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,040
Like the are the shops putting,
you know, younger crews out and,
1128
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,319
and where you get to kind of
mentor them a little bit?
1129
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,279
Yeah, it's, and I'm, I'm happy
to, you know, most of the time
1130
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:53,160
they don't because I, I still do
load insurance and load outs
1131
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,640
because I still, I enjoy the
whole process.
1132
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,800
And, you know, you might make
some suggestions to somebody
1133
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,439
who's kind of new and they look
at you like, what do you know?
1134
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,880
And you're like, OK, never mind.
But yeah, you know, anybody,
1135
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:10,359
anybody who wants to learn, you
know, we all like, I always like
1136
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:14,399
to say that I'm, I'm immodest
about my modesty.
1137
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,359
Like I don't, I like to fly
under the radar.
1138
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:22,040
I'm kind of quiet and shy most
of the time.
1139
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,920
But yeah, but you know, you, you
think about the fact, well, you
1140
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,840
know, you want to have some kind
of legacy after 40 years or
1141
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,960
whatever you want.
Hopefully in the next 5 years
1142
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,000
somebody will still remember
your name, whatever.
1143
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,040
But I always, I always say, you
know, I want, I want my legacy
1144
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,840
to be the people that I taught
some people stuff and that
1145
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,319
people like working with me.
And, you know, he was a nice guy
1146
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,880
and, you know, maybe did a few
kind of cool things on the
1147
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,880
console as well.
But but it's more about help
1148
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,560
helping younger people out.
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, one of
1149
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,960
the one of my biggest mottos or,
or at least attempts in life, I
1150
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,520
know I I fail at it quite often.
Is is just don't be an asshole.
1151
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,440
Like try not to be an asshole.
Yeah.
1152
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,520
Yeah, it's not hard.
Yeah, well, sometimes it's hard.
1153
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,400
It depends on the situation.
Some people make it hard, you
1154
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,760
know, but but don't be an
asshole.
1155
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,000
You know, Usually works pretty
well when you're, especially
1156
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,120
when you're collaborating with
other people, like, you know,
1157
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,400
don't try and make everything
about you make it about the, the
1158
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,560
outcome, You know, like we're,
we're all focused on the
1159
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,440
outcome, not, not on what I can
sign my name to and say this was
1160
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,560
Marcel's version of the outcome.
I don't care.
1161
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,360
Let's just focus on the outcome,
whoever's version it is.
1162
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,520
And sometimes that's hard to do.
But you know, I don't know, like
1163
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,240
I, I think I think it's really
important that lighting company,
1164
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:51,520
sound companies, companies doing
touring of any kind, because you
1165
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,800
know, we need more people
obviously coming in.
1166
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,200
There's there's always
shortages.
1167
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,280
People are still struggling to
find crew.
1168
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,440
Some of the people that.
Are getting so big, yeah.
1169
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,280
That's part of it, but I mean,
plus everybody's on tour all the
1170
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,760
time now.
Like it's it's, you know, the
1171
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,400
fact that there's venue
shortages constantly, you know,
1172
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,960
tells you that there's just a
lot going on, obviously, But I
1173
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,840
think we need more blended
crews, you know, where they're
1174
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,960
like, and I know it's hard to do
a show the size of the of the
1175
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,960
stones.
I think your dog wants in again.
1176
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,280
Do you need to let him in her?
In No, no, she's she's.
1177
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:32,080
Barking at the UPS guy, but you
know, like, I think it, it's
1178
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,920
hard when you're the stones or
whatever to, to just say, Hey,
1179
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,080
you know, we want some, some
more green people to come out
1180
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,120
with us and blend with our, our
more tenured people are older
1181
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,760
guys.
But that creates, I guess, some
1182
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,320
quality issues or safety issues
or whatever.
1183
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,480
So that's challenging.
You probably want the most
1184
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:57,560
experience you can possibly get.
Yeah.
1185
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,760
I mean, most of the time a tour
like that, you can, you know,
1186
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,800
you can have a couple pretty
fresh people and just make sure
1187
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,960
that, you know, you look after
what they're done.
1188
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,160
I mean, I always say, like, you
know, a rig should not go up
1189
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,200
until one of us checks all the
bolts checks, make sure there's
1190
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,520
there's no wrenches sitting on
the Truss, whatever.
1191
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:23,960
And you know that some, you
know, if if there's a young kid,
1192
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,120
as long as somebody's looking,
looking after whatever they're
1193
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,440
doing.
But but yeah, but that's one.
1194
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:32,280
But that's one of the things,
you know, one of the great
1195
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,720
things about the Bob sees of the
world was when you left that
1196
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,120
shop, you knew what you were
doing because he was such a
1197
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,160
taskmaster.
And now you know, you can't, you
1198
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,600
can't be mean to to kids in the
shop.
1199
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,480
You can't.
Yeah, it's kind of true, isn't
1200
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,880
it?
Yeah, you can't work them 100
1201
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,920
hours a week because whatever.
So then they go out on tour and
1202
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,280
all of a sudden they got these
long hours and you know, if
1203
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,800
you're not used to it, that's
when you start making mistakes.
1204
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,840
But.
Yeah.
1205
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:04,840
And now tours have HR
departments.
1206
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Yeah, yeah.
So everybody has somebody to
1207
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:09,560
talk to.
Yeah.
1208
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,040
But, you know, I mean, obviously
there's, there's great young
1209
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,040
kids out there.
And of course, yeah.
1210
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,520
Doing really good work.
Yeah, well, I mean, especially
1211
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:25,320
in your role, like in, you know,
programmers and, and guys and
1212
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,520
girls running the desk and
stuff, you know, just because
1213
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,440
they've grown up with iPhones in
their hands, they've grown up
1214
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:35,000
with laptop computers, they've
grown up with coding and all
1215
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,200
this kind of stuff.
So whereas with old guys like
1216
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,840
us, you know, that stuff was all
like, whoa, this thing has
1217
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,440
buttons that light up, you know,
like IT technology came a lot
1218
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,920
slower to us.
And so, you know, I think that
1219
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,280
part's really interesting cause
'cause they can, they can move a
1220
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,200
little faster sometimes they are
none of it's foreign to them.
1221
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,200
It's maybe some of, it's kind of
antiquated actually when they
1222
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,720
look at it.
But have you ever thought or
1223
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,400
talked or looked into any of the
AI stuff?
1224
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,840
Like are you, are you paying any
attention 'cause I know it
1225
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,680
hasn't impacted our industry
yet, but I assume.
1226
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,600
Yeah, I was.
I was with hanging out with
1227
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,680
Brian Hartley and Michael Keller
and Brian.
1228
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,800
Brian.
Because he, he's, yeah, he's all
1229
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,200
over that stuff.
And he was showing us I'm like,
1230
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,240
that's amazing.
But I don't have when I'm like I
1231
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,440
said, when I'm home, I got three
kids, younger kids, and I don't
1232
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:40,560
have the bandwidth right now The
so look at all that.
1233
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,440
But you know, you know what's
coming.
1234
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:47,240
But, you know, going going back
to the to your point about these
1235
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,000
kids being so great on the
castles right away.
1236
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:56,560
But then the the problem is that
there's this whole group that
1237
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:02,120
wants to go straight into that,
which, you know, is you got to,
1238
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,160
you got to know the other end of
it too.
1239
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,320
You know, you have to grow up
setting them up.
1240
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:14,480
You have to know what it does.
And yeah, and too many of them
1241
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,480
just want to go and sit back.
I mean, that's one of the
1242
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,920
reasons I, like I said, I still
love doing mode insurance and
1243
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,320
mode outs.
And you see these kids that I'm,
1244
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,160
you know, I've, I've never done
a not that it's bad.
1245
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,200
I think it's a great thing.
But a time code show, I mean,
1246
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,720
you know, you sit there and you
focus and then you watch the
1247
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,760
show run itself and then you go
to the bus.
1248
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:37,000
I mean, how is that, you know,
furthering your career?
1249
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,600
OK, I don't know.
Yeah, I had that conversation
1250
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,880
recently with Mark Brickman.
I went to New York to see the
1251
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,720
the David Gilmour thing that
that he had just done.
1252
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,880
And I don't know if you saw it,
but he's doing that whole thing
1253
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,920
where he's using stylus on the
screen.
1254
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,360
He calls it Paint with Light.
And he just said, you know, like
1255
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,240
if I was going to go out and
tour with David Gilmour again,
1256
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,960
doing all the old Pink Floyd
stuff and everything, he said I
1257
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,400
was going to run the desk.
I wanted to control the lights.
1258
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,880
I wanted to, I, I wanted to busk
the show.
1259
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,280
I didn't want to just sit back
and watch it.
1260
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,120
And that's what he did, you
know, and he created a whole new
1261
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,800
sort of way of doing that, a
whole new input method with this
1262
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,240
stylus thing on the screen.
And it was really cool.
1263
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,760
You didn't see it I assume?
I I saw videos of it and I I
1264
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,160
talked to Sparky.
Sparky's a good friend of mine
1265
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:37,160
and we chatted a bit about it.
Yeah, it was.
1266
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,560
It was it was honestly very
clever, very unique, very
1267
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,360
different.
It just like to me, first of
1268
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,160
all, you didn't have any, you
know, massive, you know,
1269
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,920
thousand Watt LED spotlights
blasting you in the eyes.
1270
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,040
But but just the way that the
colour moved through the system
1271
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,680
and just it was just unique.
It just felt so different to
1272
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,080
anything else I had had seen
before that.
1273
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,400
So I really enjoyed it.
He's clever, that mark.
1274
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,960
You know, who knew?
Who knew, who knew he was so
1275
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,600
clever, you know, but he's,
he's, yeah, I love Mark.
1276
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,440
He's, he's a very creative guy,
very smart guy.
1277
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,240
You know, he's got some quirks,
as we all do.
1278
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:31,400
And, and you know, I found a few
of those, but but I love the guy
1279
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,880
and I appreciate everything he
does.
1280
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:39,520
So you know, what other what
other things are you learning
1281
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,720
along the way right now?
Like as compared to, you know,
1282
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,840
20-30, forty years ago doing
this?
1283
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,600
What are what are some things
that are different?
1284
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,160
Like is it harder?
Is it easier?
1285
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,000
Is it better?
Is it worse?
1286
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,840
Like what's, how would you
compare?
1287
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,360
Or is it just all an evolution?
I think it's an evolution and
1288
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,480
you know, you can either you can
either fight it or dive straight
1289
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:05,080
into it or you know, I was
thinking, I was thinking before
1290
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,280
we were doing this, I was kind
of thinking about the evolution
1291
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,600
of all this.
Now, you know, there's there's
1292
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,440
like the Alley Metcalf, who's a,
you know, brilliant designer who
1293
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,760
wants the latest and greatest
every time or, or not even the
1294
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,640
greatest.
He's just wants to try out
1295
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:26,200
whatever the new thing is.
I'm always a little a little gun
1296
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,560
shy about trying the new stuff.
But yeah, I go to, I've been to
1297
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,200
LDI the last couple years and
even though a lot of it, I'm
1298
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,560
like, well, you know, it's all
starting to look the same.
1299
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,760
You know, all the lights can do
this, all the lights can do
1300
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,960
that.
But you know, you look at some
1301
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,240
of them and there's some
innovative stuff out there and
1302
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:45,520
you're like, well, that's pretty
cool.
1303
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,600
I'd love to, I'd love to give
that a shot.
1304
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,160
And yeah, you need, you need to,
it's fun, you know, you got to
1305
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720
embrace it and, and have, have
fun with it.
1306
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,480
But at the same time, it's great
to be able to go back and do a
1307
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:07,600
the three Truss rig of no color
pars and play around for yeah,
1308
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,480
so.
Yeah, I mean, technology
1309
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:14,320
obviously it it plays a role and
and but you know, growing for a
1310
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,080
reason, not just more flash and
trash like growing for a reason
1311
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,600
and and improving the show and
improving, you know, the whole
1312
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,200
results.
Not just like I can blast
1313
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,720
brighter lights in your face all
night or whatever.
1314
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,600
So yeah, that's where I kind of
get stuck.
1315
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,920
Like, you know, to me, it all
kind of blends and starts where,
1316
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,280
you know, again, like I've been
in on the moving lights sales
1317
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,440
side of things.
I'm not really right now.
1318
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,800
I still sell moving lights, but
I own a a used equipment
1319
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,560
platform.
But you know, I've been in the
1320
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,480
moving light business forever.
And like I said, you used to be
1321
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:55,280
able to tell every single one of
them apart 'cause they all had,
1322
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,680
you know, nuances, different
ways of moving, different ways
1323
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,520
of changing color.
The colors themselves look
1324
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,600
different depending on the
manufacturer.
1325
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,880
You could always tell and you
can't anymore.
1326
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,760
Like right now, you could have a
Roby rig or an Ayrton rig or a
1327
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,240
Martin rig and I wouldn't know
the difference for the most
1328
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,600
part.
And so that sucks.
1329
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,160
But I think one of the one of
the most game changing things
1330
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,600
we've seen in the last few years
is, is the remote spotlight.
1331
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,480
I mean, I was killer.
I was really gun shy about about
1332
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:34,440
follow me when it came out.
I thought, and you know, I'd use
1333
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,840
the PRG one, We'd use the robo
spots.
1334
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,280
But I'm like, OK, I, I, I'm
happy to use it for back spots.
1335
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,920
But front spots, you know, is
it's all tied into the computer,
1336
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,640
like if you have a house spot,
you know, unless you lose power
1337
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,560
to that spot, if your console
goes down, you can still do a
1338
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,080
show.
But, you know, since in the
1339
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:01,240
last, I don't know how many
years I've had follow me on, you
1340
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,080
know, most every show I've done.
And knock on wood, it's it's
1341
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,280
never and it's amazing.
I mean, the stuff we did.
1342
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:14,840
So Willie brings Alan Branton in
to, you know, to, to do the key
1343
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:20,080
lighting on U2 and, and the
stuff I would want to do.
1344
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,600
You could never, ever do that
before with the older
1345
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,360
technology.
And it's it's amazing.
1346
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,120
You know, the OK, you want 10%
from this side and you want 50%
1347
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,680
from that side.
Easy.
1348
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,920
And you want to control 20
lights on on Bono at once.
1349
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,560
Yeah, it's A and.
It's it's all been really
1350
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,840
reliable for you like.
There's been really reliable,
1351
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,040
yeah, I mean, much more reliable
than having, you know, when you
1352
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,880
got 14 spot operators trying to
get them first of all, trying to
1353
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,160
get them harnessed up and up in
the Truss and having to, you
1354
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,680
know, your most stressful time
before the show is before the
1355
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,240
show and having to have spot
meetings And this guy's late
1356
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,520
because he didn't realize you're
in a it's a stadium and there
1357
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,840
might be 50,000 other cars
coming in or 25,000 cars.
1358
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:12,840
So, I mean, that part was always
stressful.
1359
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,280
And now, you know, at first you
stress, well, what if the
1360
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,920
console goes down?
But then.
1361
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,400
But yeah, and the possibilities
and now, you know, Robbie's come
1362
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,240
up with.
I can never remember the names
1363
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,560
of the lights, but they're from
Rubble Spot.
1364
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,640
Yeah.
Are they're the light, the I
1365
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,800
Forte, whatever it is.
But I mean, it's amazing.
1366
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,080
It's so bright and temperatures
are nice.
1367
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,520
Yeah.
That whole stuff is is really
1368
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,000
revolutionized.
So you're using the automated
1369
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,080
spot systems follow me.
You're not using like Robospot
1370
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,600
the the where they've got the
the fake follow spot like in the
1371
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,000
bomb or something.
We use so John Mayer, we just
1372
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,440
use follow me at you to the
sphere.
1373
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,000
We use the combination.
We use follow me for the front
1374
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,880
and because we had towers that
were moving we we use robospot.
1375
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,040
Although now you can use follow
me for that because they can
1376
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:14,040
take whatever data from the
encoders and and translate but.
1377
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,480
Interesting.
But so we just, and they're,
1378
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,040
they're all great systems, yeah.
But.
1379
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,560
Yeah, they're all just.
It's amazing how much incredible
1380
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,640
technology has been dedicated to
follow spots, to getting rid of
1381
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,680
follow spots.
There's, you know, there's 3 or
1382
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:34,720
4 great systems that I can think
of that that work really well,
1383
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,600
but just entirely different
concepts on how to deal with the
1384
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,400
problem, how to, you know,
different solutions for the same
1385
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,480
problem, which I love.
Like that's, you know, it's one
1386
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:46,080
of the things that so many
people always say about this
1387
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,280
industry is that, you know, give
us the problem, we'll find,
1388
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,360
we'll find a solution for it,
you know, regardless of what it
1389
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,280
is.
Like COVID, I remember, I don't
1390
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,800
remember if it was Marty Ham or,
or Jake or one of the major
1391
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,160
production managers out there.
I had a conversation with.
1392
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,920
He said, you know, I just think
that they should hand us the
1393
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,680
problem.
We'll figure out how to how to
1394
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:10,840
get people safely in and out of
venues and and, you know, fill a
1395
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,840
stadium with people and, and try
not to get them all sick.
1396
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,600
You know, we'll figure that out.
And he's probably right.
1397
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,400
You know, it's obviously that
was a horrible time.
1398
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,960
And thank God we're not going
back there anytime soon.
1399
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,320
But yeah.
Although there were some
1400
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,360
benefits to it.
There were, yeah.
1401
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,880
Once we realized, you know, we
weren't going to lose our home
1402
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:38,240
and to be be able to be home for
a month and a half and hang out
1403
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,600
with the kids and everything,
but yeah.
1404
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,480
We're, we're and. 1/2 I I mean a
year and. 1/2 a year and a half,
1405
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,440
yeah.
I was like, what show did you do
1406
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,840
that was a month and a half in?
Yeah.
1407
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:55,320
But I mean, yeah, we're, we are
a solution based business.
1408
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,280
You know, you, I talked to, I'm
pretty good friends with
1409
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,160
Chipmunk and we've spent times
talking about, and that was
1410
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:06,720
before the Internet, you know,
how he used to source things and
1411
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,320
you needed to live in a city
that had a great hardware store
1412
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,720
and a great electronic store.
And they just, they went and
1413
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:20,560
built it, you know, on U23U2360,
Hedwig from Stageco was trying
1414
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,160
to figure out how to lift, lift
the center portion.
1415
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,680
And he talked to his crane
drivers and his or crane
1416
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,080
operators.
And they're like, well, you, you
1417
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,920
can't, you can't use 4 cranes.
You cannot 3 cranes at the most.
1418
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,480
Because if one of them goes,
then you got a problem.
1419
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:41,200
So he's searching the Internet
and comes up with some kind of
1420
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,240
hydraulic, something I think
that, you know, big bridge
1421
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,800
builders use and came up with
that.
1422
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,000
I mean, the.
Yeah.
1423
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,240
Wild.
Yeah, No, there's incredibly
1424
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,160
innovative people and and also
we're stubborn.
1425
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,440
We're a stubborn industry.
We don't take no for an answer.
1426
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:00,880
We find a way, right?
There's always a way.
1427
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,120
Yeah.
So you, you mentioned something,
1428
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,680
you sent us a whole bunch of
notes and one of the things you
1429
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:13,640
mentioned was your motto for
life, which is not to half ass
1430
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,720
anything.
So you're basically just saying
1431
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,200
full on no matter what you're
doing.
1432
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,120
Well, put everything you can
into it.
1433
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:30,080
You know, there's, like I said,
I mean, we're, we're there for,
1434
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,480
to give the audience and the
band a show.
1435
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,320
You know, my job out front is
not only to make sure the
1436
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:40,960
audience can see the band have a
little bit of stuff going on,
1437
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,920
interesting stuff hopefully
going on, but also to make sure
1438
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,840
that, you know, that the lights
are the last thing the band has
1439
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,880
to worry about.
And it's because you always put
1440
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,520
up, always put 100% in.
I mean, that's one of the
1441
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,040
reasons I think I still, you
know, I don't want to dwell on
1442
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,680
it, but still like to load in
and load out because I feel like
1443
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,680
it's my response.
The lights are my responsibility
1444
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,560
and there's a decision to make,
be made.
1445
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,440
I'm going to be the one I want
to be the one to make it.
1446
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,120
So if I'm going to be there, I
might as well, you might as well
1447
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,000
get your, you know, your hands
dirty and help out.
1448
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,640
And yeah, yeah, just good for
you.
1449
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,240
I.
Mean, I don't know of a lot of
1450
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:24,360
people who still do that.
There's there's a few, yeah.
1451
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,760
You know Michael Keller is still
out there on the floor.
1452
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,400
Yeah, Yeah, that's, that's cool.
I love that.
1453
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,320
So what about what about
charities or anything that you
1454
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:42,200
like to be a part of promote?
I don't.
1455
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,280
I'm not a part of, but I'll
donate money every, you know,
1456
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,120
every December.
I like a lot of children, kids
1457
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,920
charities and and stuff like
that.
1458
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,400
Yeah.
Hospitals taught to get top
1459
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,120
borders.
My father died of a stroke.
1460
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,920
So American Heart Association,
but mainly, mainly kids
1461
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,640
charities.
Yeah.
1462
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,680
And he and he's hope is a great
one out of Saint Louis.
1463
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:09,680
Yeah.
Yeah.
1464
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,720
For firm believer, I was brought
up that year, You got to, you
1465
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,000
got to get back.
Pay it forward, of course.
1466
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,600
Well, and inside the industry
too.
1467
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,480
And, and I mean, I know that
you, you talk a lot about
1468
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,720
mentoring younger people and
sharing stories and sharing
1469
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,640
information with younger people
and stuff.
1470
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,000
I think it's super important
because I never want to
1471
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,320
disconnect, you know, the past
to the, to the future in this
1472
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,520
industry.
I, I really, it's one of the
1473
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,720
reasons that I keep doing this
is because people are genuinely
1474
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,800
interested in hearing how it was
done in the 60s and 70s and 80s
1475
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,040
and stuff.
And I get so many comments from
1476
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,160
people, you know, on social
media and stuff or, or messages
1477
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,360
back to me saying, you know,
wow, I had no idea.
1478
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,600
This is incredible.
Thank you so much for sharing.
1479
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,800
That's not me sharing.
It's you guys all sharing.
1480
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,720
So I appreciate that part of it,
of course.
1481
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,160
So what do you, what do you got
going on this year?
1482
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,000
Well, Stone's cancelled, so I
got a few things.
1483
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,480
I can't really talk about them
'cause they're not not set in
1484
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:13,320
Stone yet and I don't want to
change it.
1485
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:18,040
Yeah, well, and then you'll get
the stones call again and and.
1486
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,760
We hope.
We hope so.
1487
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,160
You know, every time Opie or
Patrick calls, you know, you,
1488
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,240
you get the call and you're
like, this is good news or bad
1489
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:31,960
news.
And this last one, Opie, you
1490
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,120
know, usually it's right away.
Oh, it's, it's fine.
1491
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,440
And there was a hesitant
hesitation.
1492
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:41,000
I'm like, OK, it's bad news, but
you know, they're all relatively
1493
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,160
healthy still.
So.
1494
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,600
And the beauty of it is the last
show of the last tour was in
1495
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:51,920
Branson, MO, which was a great
show, but we all said there's no
1496
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,320
way the Stones can end their,
you know, 60s touring career
1497
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,760
with the last show being
Branson, MO.
1498
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,040
No, that ain't happening.
That ain't happening.
1499
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,880
They're not finishing in
Branson, MO.
1500
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,200
I, I, I can't imagine what their
last show will be when it,
1501
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,320
whenever it happens, but
hopefully they go back out soon
1502
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,560
'cause I mean, you're doing
incredible things out there.
1503
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,240
And I, I have a friend down here
in South Florida who every
1504
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,040
single time the Stones are
anywhere, you know, within 1000
1505
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,240
miles of here, he's like,
Marcel, come on, we're going.
1506
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,560
I'm like, dude, I am not going
to see the Stones again.
1507
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,760
I've seen him like 6 times.
You know, I'm good.
1508
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,360
I was never a Stones fan growing
up.
1509
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,720
I was a Led Zeppelin fan.
I, I just, the Stones sort of
1510
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,440
skipped me somehow and I was a
Led Zeppelin guy and, and then
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01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:43,560
got into heavier stuff, Iron
Maiden and Judas Priest and all
1512
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,800
that stuff.
So the Stones was just not a
1513
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,560
thing for me until later in
life, which is when I started to
1514
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,960
go see him and, and my my
ex-wife worked for their record
1515
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,160
company and so saw them a few
times with her.
1516
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:03,680
We had a classic picture of her
and Mick Jagger where they were
1517
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,120
standing like just with his arm
around her or something.
1518
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,400
And I went to take the picture
and right before I took the
1519
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,840
picture, I think he pinched her
butt.
1520
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:17,160
And then and then right after
that she pinched his butt back
1521
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,640
and, and he's looking at her
like in shock.
1522
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,560
And I, I snapped the picture
right then.
1523
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,960
So it's, it's just a really,
really cool picture.
1524
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,520
I wish my ex-wife wasn't in it
'cause I'd hang it on the wall,
1525
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,480
but but.
You know, these days with
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01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,440
Photoshop and all, you could put
anybody.
1527
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:33,760
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah.
1528
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,760
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
1529
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,720
Well, Ethan, I appreciate you,
man.
1530
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,880
I appreciate you taking the time
out of your day to do this.
1531
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,760
Yeah, it's always, it's.
Always great to.
1532
01:31:43,480 --> 01:31:47,520
Yeah, and you as well.
And I look forward to seeing you
1533
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,920
back out with the Stones or
whoever else you're out with
1534
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,760
this year.
And I did get to say hi to you.
1535
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,080
You probably don't remember
because there were 1000 people
1536
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,400
there, but at the upstaging
party this year we did shake
1537
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:03,120
hands and quickly say hello.
But yeah, cool.
1538
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:04,640
Well, thank you very much, my
friend.
1539
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:06,000
Take the.
Rest of the.
1540
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,120
Week.
All right man all.
1541
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:07,720
Right.
Thanks.
1542
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:08,840
You too.
All right, bye.