#290 - David Davidian

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Episode #290 with David
Davidian, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi,

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Stones, Alice Cooper, Who else?
Van Halen, Hollywood vampires,

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and lots and lots of others.
Super guy, been working since

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the 70s in this industry.
Everyone loves him.

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Nice guy.
He's been a video director, he's

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been a lighting director,
lighting designer, he's been a

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production manager and is still
a tour manager as well.

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So very successful career in the
industry.

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Nice guy, fun to talk to and I
hope you enjoy it.

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I did.
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Hello, hello, hello.
And so we are booking up like

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crazy for the next couple of
months.

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Sarah has gone mad, people, I'm
telling you, Sarah's gone crazy.

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And so we have a lot of really
great guests coming up.

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I'm pretty excited about where
she's going with these new

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guests that she's booking and
not that the old ones are bad,

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certainly we love all of our
guests, but really I'm noticing

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not only are we reaching out to
some really great people, but

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they're reaching out to us as
well.

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So I appreciate you all.
I appreciate folks who have

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either been on the podcast or
listened to the podcast and

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constantly recommend people to
come on it.

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I don't know if you know this,
but a lot of our guests are

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referrals either through other
guests or through people who

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listen to the podcast every week
and we appreciate that very

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much.
We love, we love meeting new

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people.
I don't want to just keep going

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into my sort of name bag of, of
all my old friends and stuff.

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We love to have all kinds of
different people on.

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And I think you notice, but I
get pretty excited and

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interested in all conversations,
you know, whether we're talking

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about lighting, sound, video,
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I, we tend to try to gravitate
to things that are interesting

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and sorry for you, but a lot of
times that ends up being racing

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related conversations, but
hopefully we get into some

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pretty interesting stuff as
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So yes, we are pretty booked
over the next couple of months.

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But if you'd like to come on the
podcast, just shoot an e-mail to

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the lovely Sarah, our producer.
Her e-mail is

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producer@geezersofgear.com and
Sarah will vet you a little bit.

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Really, the bar isn't that high,
folks.

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It's are you interesting?
Are you not interesting?

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And as long as you have a great
story or stories to tell, you've

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got an interesting past, an
interesting career, and we think

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people will be interested in our
conversation, then we'd love to

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have you on the podcast.
So again, e-mail

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producer@gearsofgear.com.
Sarah, I'll get you scheduled

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and get you in the loop and get
you booked.

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And so I don't know if you've
seen this yet, but we've been

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pushing out some marketing on a
new podcast, which I've also

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mentioned here in the intro,
which is called Future Tech.

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So now Giza Gear has three
podcasts now, this one, the main

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one, and then there is Leading
ladies, which Sarah does, which

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has been going very well
actually, you know, really,

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really well.
We're pretty excited about where

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that's going.
Obviously there's a lot of women

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in the industry who are not only
interested in working in the

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industry, but they're interested
in listening to other folks who

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work in the industry and how
they've navigated those waters

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and, and what their stories are
and stuff because it is

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interesting.
You know, it's, I find a lot of

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really cool thoughts and ideas
when I listen to these podcasts

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from these wonderful ladies who
are talking about how, you know,

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let's face it, this has been a
man's world for 50 or 60 years

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or whatever it's been.
And so these wonderful ladies

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are, are very strong and are
very brave and they're

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navigating these, these
sometimes vicious waters and

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coming out on top and coming out
very successfully.

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And there's some really
successful careers by women in

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this incredible industry.
So I can't wait to see where

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this goes with Sarah doing this
podcast.

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She's enjoying it and I think
the guests are enjoying it.

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And from what I've seen so far,
the the listeners are certainly

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enjoying it.
So thank you to everyone.

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And of course, thank you to John
Featherstone and and Light

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Switch who have so graciously
sponsored that podcast for us.

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I know you guys all think that I
buy new Ferraris every time we

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launch a new podcast, but just
remember, not everyone makes Joe

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Rogan money in podcasting.
In fact, I don't make a dime

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from podcasting.
I do this because I love doing

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it.
And the money that we are paid

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by our sponsors pays for what it
costs to run this podcast, which

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I don't even know that it covers
the cost yet.

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So if you'd like to sponsor
Geese of Gear, sign up here.

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And so, yeah, again, I'm very
grateful to John and to Light

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Switch for sponsoring leading
ladies.

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But what I was getting at is we
do have a new podcast launching

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right now, which will promote
live events, product releases,

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basically new product releases.
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going to be specifically for, I
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sponsors.
So it's another perk that goes

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to our sponsors.
So again, if you're interested

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in sponsoring, reach out to
producer at gearsofgear.com and

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Sarah will be happy to discuss
sponsorship with you.

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I think it's a lot less money
than you might think it is.

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And so this is a podcast that's
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I won't say every Friday because
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When there is content, when
there are new product releases

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from our sponsors for our hosts
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it.
If there's nothing to talk

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about, there won't be an
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So it will be concerning Elation
products, and I hope you'll

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listen to it.
It's a very, very new spin.

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And there are some secrets
behind this one too.

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So I'll tell you more later.
And hopefully you'll love Future

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Tech as much as we've enjoyed
creating it, dreaming it up, and

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launching this first episode.
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last thing, don't forget to
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go out and market this so that
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listening on Spotify.
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it's a very cool medium for
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on Spotify yet, try it, I think
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And of course you want to look
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you want to see some podcasts on
video, so nuff, said today's

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guest David Davidian.
With a career spanning nearly

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five decades, David has been a
key figure in live

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entertainment, working with
iconic artists such as The

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Stones, Van Halen, Night Ranger,
Alice Cooper, so many more.

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His multi faceted expertise
include includes roles as a

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lighting designer, production
manager, tour manager and video

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director, showcasing his
versatility and dedication to

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excellence.
Currently serving as Tour

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Manager for Alice Cooper and the
Hollywood Vampires, David

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overseas everything from travel
logistics to show settlements

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and production design.
His recent contributions include

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designing the lighting, video
and stage effects for the

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Hollywood Vampires 2023 tour and
creating the visual elements for

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Jackson Browne's global tours in
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David's ethos is simple.
Behave like you want someone to

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behave.
This philosophy, combined with

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his professionalism and creative
talent, has made him an

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invaluable asset to the
entertainment industry.

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As he awaits the next chapter
with Alice Cooper and the

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Hollywood Vampires, David
continues to push boundaries and

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deliver unforgettable live
experiences.

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He was on the podcast in 2020
with me.

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I enjoyed it very much.
You can go back there and listen

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to that.
It's episode #104 again,

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available anywhere you get our
podcast.

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Just search for either David
Davinian or search for episode

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#104 or by the way, you can just
go to Google and type in David

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Davinian Gears of Gear or
episode one O 4 Geez of gear and

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Google will bring you there as
well.

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So please join me and welcome
Mr. David Davidian back to the

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podcast.
Mr. Davidian, how are you?

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I'm.
Well, thanks.

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It's fantastic to see you.
Same here buddy.

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I'm well, it's such a good
answer, do you know that?

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Yeah.
I'm well is a good answer

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because.
It is, I like to say, right side

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of the dirt.
That's another good answer

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because unfortunately not
everyone is.

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You know, it's, it's been a
rough few years for our

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industry, that's for sure.
It has been a rough few years.

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Every year, I mean, certainly my
generation, which is more and

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more and more of, let's call it
the founding fathers of.

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Hell yeah.
Of this, of this industry.

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And let's not leave out Los
Angeles, man.

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Oh.
My God, Jesus, what a mess.

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You know, it's, it's Sarah was
asking me earlier today because

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she's she's in Crete, an island
off of Greece.

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And for whatever reason, she
doesn't watch a lot of news and

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stuff.
So she was asking me this

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morning, what's going on with
these fires?

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Is it bad?
And I said, Oh my God, like half

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the city's gone.
You know, it literally is just

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completely wiping Southern
California off the map.

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And, you know, people are losing
not only their possessions, but

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they're losing their lives and.
No, they're losing.

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Yeah, it's, I mean, your
possessions, everybody, you

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know, we all want to not be
defined.

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I mean, it's a, it's a terrible
thing in our industry as well.

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So many people in this business
are defined by their job.

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In other words, if they don't
feel like they have a tour,

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they, they feel like they're
less than a person.

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What a what a that's a scary
thing for me to think.

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And and you know my certainly
whatever I would say to anybody

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who feels that is do not you are
much more than any tour or any

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lighting design job or video
director job.

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Such a huge, huge point you make
because I remember having so

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many of those conversations
during COVID where people

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literally were just like losing
their minds, you know, because

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they didn't have a gig.
So that you weren't, you know,

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Alice Cooper's guy.
You were just David, the guy

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down the block with no gig, you
know?

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And you know you got to be more
than just your job, I think.

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You do you, you need to really
be able to look at yourself

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everyday and just say that I you
have self worth unto yourself,

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whether you know whether even if
you're a single guy or woman

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alone living by yourself.
I mean, you have value and stuff

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that you can input into the
community, the Ethernet, even

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into your own life.
I mean, even studying, going to

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school or whatever.
I mean, all of this is valued,

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but I've heard.
Some of the awful.

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Stories about.
The extreme of that, David, is,

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is like when you're sort of at
the end of your career, like so

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many people in our industry are
getting there, you know?

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Yeah, but you you're still
relevant as long as your artists

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stay alive.
You're good.

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There you go.
You're good, Alice.

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Ain't stopping anytime soon and
and you're.

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His guy, he's a machine.
Yeah, he is.

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Well, you know what?
He quit drinking soon enough.

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He quit drugs, he quit drinking,
he quit all of that stuff early

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enough in life where he was able
to become a healthy guy and now

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he's a healthy whatever.
He is 727375. 7778 But he's,

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he's one of the yeah, he's one
of the loveliest human beings on

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the planet, without a doubt.
So I was just saying that Fort

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Lauderdale, I was backstage for
Alice and I had just read Golf

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Monster.
I don't know if you've ever read

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it, but it's a great book.
Yeah, I, I, well, I haven't read

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it, but I know it.
Yeah, so I mean it.

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It's a cool book because it's
sort of half about golf and half

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about I'm a rock star and this
is my crazy life.

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And so it's part biography and
part golf lessons, you know,

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right.
And so I had just read it and I,

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I told him that and he said, Oh,
you're a golfer, yap, yap.

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And he said, you know, how's
your game?

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And I said, you know, I'm really
struggling with putting.

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So next thing you know, I've got
Alice with his arms around me

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holding my hands and going, you
need to hold it like this and

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you need to do this more.
And, and I'm standing there and

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finally, I think because, you
know, he was also my first

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concert, which I've I've shared
with him.

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It was the, IT was either
Welcome to My Nightmare or the

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Alice Cooper show, but it was in
the 70s.

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And and so I'm, I'm standing
there thinking I'm getting golf

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lessons right now from Alice
Cooper.

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This is wild.
I mean, you know, all these

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years I've still not played
around with him and I don't, I

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mean, I don't keep score or
anything.

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I'm one of those guys.
I just hit the ball, had fun.

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You can't do it worth a damn,
which is why I'm never really

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gone out with him because.
He takes it pretty seriously.

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But I hope to I it's one of
those things, kind of a bucket

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list thing, so that I play
around with them I.

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Had a chance to and it got
cancelled for some reason

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because my friend in in South
Florida was the Callaway Rep and

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he was a.
Callaway in Dorsey, we're there

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in February.
Oh, are you?

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Yeah, we're in venue.
And well, what are we?

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No, we're just we're not playing
down there closest with Saint

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Augustine, but we're doing or
Orlando, St.

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Augustine, Clearwater.
Well, I'm, I might come up for

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one of those shows.
That'd be fun.

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I'd like to see you.
And I always like seeing Sarah.

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We also have an Athens show, so.
Oh, really?

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Yeah, in July, fun, but yes, so,
so absolutely, you should

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definitely come visit.
And I will, I will.

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I, I like seeing Alice.
I, you know, Alice is one of

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those guys that I could see him
100 times and I'd still go to

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the 101st 1:00 because yeah,
he's puts on the show.

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He's great and the whole band is
good.

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Yes.
Absolutely.

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But I forget what we were
talking.

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Oh yeah.
We were saying, you know, your

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artists as long as they keep
touring and stay alive.

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But what I was getting at is,
you know, when I had this

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conversation recently with with
Mark Brickman and with other

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people where it's just like, you
know, there's there's sort of a

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trend when people are getting a
little older in our industry

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that artists are hiring younger
designers, younger production

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managers younger this, younger
that.

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And so then what do people do?
And this is when I start seeing,

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you know, just a really sad
thing happening.

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And I don't.
Do you know Candace Brightman?

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Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, she's been having

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a really hard time.
Like, there's been some

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Gofundmes for her and stuff.
Like she's fairly down and out

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right now.
And you know, this is the

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Grateful Dead's wonderful,
amazing designer for so long.

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You know, really special things.
I mean, that's part of the

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reason why I also, well, I'm
lucky I didn't really do it

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intentionally, but with me
having tour manager and

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production manager skills, those
are the jobs that the older

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wise, you know, they need that
is.

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Oh, that's funny.
You got the balloons.

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That's.
A Mac thing, you know, if you do

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like a heart, it'll put hearts
up on the screen.

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It does all kinds of crazy.
Things.

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No idea.
Yeah, the older, why?

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You know that you can get away
with being older and still have

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a position.
This is why that unfortunately,

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I've moved more into the tour
manager, production manager

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that.
Yeah, light of things because

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that's right, Everybody wants
the older, younger thing.

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In fact, I was thrilled with the
vampires in 23 to be able to.

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Design the entire show.
When I got to do it, I didn't

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know.
You did that.

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I read that in the notes and I
didn't know you had done that.

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Yeah, it came out so great.
I mean, I did it.

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It wasn't all alone, but it
turned out really beautiful.

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And I'm so proud of those damn
fangs.

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I really am.
I really.

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What's what's the story with the
fangs?

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And what I was going to say, it
wasn't just me.

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Yeah, it was 2023.
You know a lot of people who

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thank God, people like Dizzy
Gosnell, it Bandit and.

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Dizzy's the man.
And were a massive, massive

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helps and I couldn't have done
it without their input and

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thoughts and and all that.
But I I was very happy.

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I hadn't actually designed to
show myself in many, many years.

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Because another problem with
this industry is that once

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you're go from being a lighting
guy to a video guy, all of a

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sudden you get all these people
say, oh, you, you don't do

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lights anymore.
It's like nothing.

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They do lights.
But I needed a job.

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The job was video guy.
So, you know, here you are.

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Yeah.
Yeah, the only reason.

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I don't do lights or I don't do
videos because nobody asked me.

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Yeah.
So I guess this is what you were

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just talking about.
So yeah, the.

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Inflatable fangs.
The inflatable.

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Yeah.
What?

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What are what are we looking at
here?

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We're looking.
At actually, everybody,

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everybody in the band except the
poor bass player Chris Weiss and

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and they are it's an inflatable.
It's an A beautiful.

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It's an inflatable.
Yeah, made by the people air

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works up in Belgium.
They did an amazing job.

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Wow came out terrific.
I think you have a wide shot,

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someone that's got the whole the
thing and it, but how does that?

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Get done like how?
How do you just show them a

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picture and they create an
inflatable based on that picture

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it well.
That's how it starts.

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I mean, actually these all
started as stage extensions,

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Barricade as ego ramps give you
a yeah, that was my first

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thought of it, to put ego ramps
on in front of the stage.

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And I did bunches of drawings
with the ego fangs, ego ramps,

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etcetera, etcetera.
And of course, I ran into tons

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of problems because shows
typically go on sale before the

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design is finished.
Yeah.

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And so when I started sending
pictures of these fangs, every

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promoter and all the promoter
reps saying they couldn't

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barricade them, they couldn't do
anything with them.

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And, you know, Dizzy does all of
the renderings for me.

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Yeah, Dizzy does.
Great job.

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So he's so good at that.
Yeah, he's so.

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Great, I love his.
Renderings and you're looking at

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it and I'm.
Like, man, I want these things.

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I like them.
And then honestly, it was like,

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well, why don't we try them
above and I'll be damned.

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He threw them up there and they
look great.

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That looks.
Amazing, that looks so cool.

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Wow.
And then So what happened is we

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took those.
I mean, if we were all set up, I

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could show you the earlier
renderings.

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But we took those renderings and
and sent them to airworks in

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Belgium.
And then they did first of all a

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3D drawing and then they did a
graphics drawing.

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I mean, you know, they did great
work, but for instance, like the

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see how they look in that and
see how they look all gnarly and

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everything, Yeah.
Yeah, the first one that.

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They sent me looked like perfect
manicured white teeth with like

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super, you know, perfect.
You didn't want that.

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Yeah, that's what I You don't
want veneers, You want nasty old

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man teeth.
That's right.

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I want blood stained the blood
spatter on them.

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And yeah, I wanted, you know, so
that's, you know, but they

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can't, you know, they took what
was a very 2D drawing, but it

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still had the color and the
blood things and the like off

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white thing.
And then it, it was really a

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series of exchanges.
And I would check with Dizzy

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because Dizzy is was involved in
all that.

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And that's how they came to be.
And I remember struggling over

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the, the dimensions want they,
they turned out to be 52 feet

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wide.
So I struggle with because of

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course the vampires aren't
really that big.

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We they do such a mix of arenas
and smaller places and all that.

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Oh, should I go 48?
Should I go 40, etcetera,

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etcetera.
But then I looked at those and

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they had to mock them up and I'm
like, no, yeah, you don't.

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You don't.
Want it to end up looking like

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Spinal Tap, Stonehenge, you
know, where it's a tiny little

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thing, they said.
All of these things do that.

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All of these Yeah, I got rid of
that.

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All of these things are that,
you know, they're not they're

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not Spinal Tap.
They're that, but I mean, they

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they're Spinal Tap.
Ash, let me let's face it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 54 foot by 20
foot fangs there, you know, but

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nonetheless they do look they
they came out looking so are

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those.
Light.

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Are they lighted from inside or
are they just lit from No, just

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outside?
Lit from the outside.

448
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,480
I actually made sure that we had
a Truss out there that would

449
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:25,240
that would absolutely be nothing
but dedicated to to the lighting

450
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,160
of those fangs, Right.
Yeah.

451
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,840
So that was the.
Truss in front of them and they

452
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720
were lit by the by those
fixtures, but we didn't do any

453
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,520
inside lights too much.
Interesting.

454
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

455
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Oh, that looks great.
I I love that look.

456
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,000
That's really cool.
Yeah.

457
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
So.
It came out terrific, yeah.

458
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,600
Very proud of.
Those things, I mean, they're

459
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,200
now like a brand thing now.
Like they, they, you know, they

460
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,600
want them.
It's like you're stuck with them

461
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,480
now.
Yeah, yeah.

462
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880
It's like the.
Circle screen with Pink Floyd or

463
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,480
you know, things like how hard
is that?

464
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,040
To to deploy.
Not bad I.

465
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,640
Mean they're what they are is
there's a diaper on them they're

466
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,320
wrapped with a Velcro with a
black thing and then the actual

467
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,920
inflation of the fangs is what
tears the Velcro and they come

468
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,840
down and they and they so it's
actually.

469
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,080
In effect during the show, Yeah,
we don't.

470
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,640
Do it, Yeah.
I didn't want to do it right

471
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,040
from the get go, right.
You know you don't want the

472
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,120
curtains to.
Open with fangs up right?

473
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,760
Yeah, yeah, something that
changes things, you know, part

474
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,000
way through.
Yeah.

475
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,120
And but yeah, I mean, I was so
happy to design something again

476
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:35,040
and so when?
When was the last show you had

477
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:39,200
had been LD4 prior to this one?
Oh, prior.

478
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,280
To that 1A.
While it would have been a.

479
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,360
While I would have to, well,
Jackson Browne actually did

480
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,400
actually, yeah, I did Jackson
Browne right after the pandemic,

481
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,360
but I did more of the.
I did the lighting consultation,

482
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,160
but I didn't operate.
They wanted video, so I did the

483
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,120
actual video directing.
Because in the lighting world,

484
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,520
man, I can't handle those
goddamn new consoles.

485
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,480
I can't do it.
Rough, isn't it?

486
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,920
So.
If I I have to have a programmer

487
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,320
who I can program the show with
me and then teach me, I can

488
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,120
operate, you know, once they
program, I can do H to do on

489
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:22,640
each song to run the song.
But I am honestly so far behind

490
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,040
lighting programming.
So I designed the the lighting

491
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,920
with Jackson Browne, but the the
operator, Greg Flash, and he

492
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,200
operated it and yeah, that was
that was that was the last time.

493
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,560
But before that it would have
been yeah, Fogarty, Fogarty and

494
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,720
a while ago, yeah, 2010 or yeah.
Wow.

495
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,680
So that had to be.
Fun coming back to to designing

496
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,000
a a decent sized show like this
and and I was.

497
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,560
Very, very happy to do it and
very excited.

498
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,280
And, you know, it just came kind
of necessity that they've been

499
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,240
doing the same thing for a while
and I'm, you know, they're going

500
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,760
out and I'm like, no, but you
just can't do that again.

501
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,360
And I just said, you know, let
me have the opportunity.

502
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,240
And Shep was gracious enough to
do it.

503
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,920
And it's still.
Shep, huh?

504
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,640
Shep is the Empires guy as well
as Alice.

505
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,200
That's wild and.
He's been with Alice how long?

506
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Like since the beginning of the
age 60. 9 Jesus.

507
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Yeah, what a success story that
is, is a partnership, you know,

508
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,040
all on a handshake.
That is just wild.

509
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,680
I love that Everybody that, you
know, I've never met Shep, but

510
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,080
everybody talks about how he's,
you know, yeah.

511
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,840
He's a wonderful guy, sweet.
He's a man kind, you know,

512
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,280
appreciative and very, very
smart when it comes to show

513
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,920
design and, you know, the way a
show should run and pacing and

514
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,160
ideas and all that, you know,
very creative.

515
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

516
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440
So.
Does Alice?

517
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,600
Like basically go out one year
as Alice Cooper, the next year

518
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120
as Hollywood vampires, in the
next year as Alice Cooper.

519
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,840
No, it's.
Not every other year, because

520
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,320
with Joe and Johnny and all
that, the scheduling is such

521
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,160
that it usually turns out to be
every two or three years, yeah.

522
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,640
Depending on when.
The schedules can align, yeah.

523
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,680
I think Joe's a little more
available now.

524
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Things have changed there a bit.
Yes, they have.

525
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Changed, sadly.
Unfortunately.

526
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,920
That was to go off, but the big
heartbreak for me, you know,

527
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Aerosmith was the first band I
ever did long term touring with.

528
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,760
If you read I forgot.
About that and.

529
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,680
I started with them six months
before the 1st record came out

530
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,600
and I did every show they did,
mostly up until I did like 2

531
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,920
legs of Toys in the Attic.
And then I went to do my own

532
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,080
design work because I was
Richard Ocean was the designer.

533
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,640
And right, I forgot.
About that, you told us that

534
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,400
story on the 1st The Only Guy.
On the crew, crew chief kind of

535
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,400
thing like that.
But yeah, you know, of course.

536
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,000
So I have a, an emotional
attachment to them and it

537
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,440
really, it hurts me right now to
know that they've never got

538
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,320
their final bow there, a proper
final bow.

539
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,240
I I still hold out hope that
Stephen will get to the point

540
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,280
where he they can entertain,
hold it together.

541
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,840
For a tour?
Yeah, even.

542
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Not even even if they were to do
like a, you know, LA, New York,

543
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,720
Chicago, Miami, Dallas type
thing and do a London, Paris

544
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,480
like what?
ACD.

545
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,520
CS doing right now, you know,
kind.

546
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Of thing would be and not it's
just I mean they they worked so

547
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,920
hard then back in the day, those
guys I mean it was well, it was

548
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,200
very close back then, but they
worked their asses off.

549
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:52,000
You know, they they had to claw
their way into acceptability.

550
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:58,200
They were so dismissed as a, you
know, second hand Rolling Stones

551
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,320
and all that kind of thing.
Yeah.

552
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Really worked hard and truly
clawed their way into the

553
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,040
position that they had and
really didn't any real respect

554
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,560
until Toys in the Attic.
Yeah, you know why it's such an.

555
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,960
Incredible band.
I mean, really like it.

556
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Wrongfully dismissed, if you
might say it that way.

557
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320
You know, just just an
incredible band.

558
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Incredible talent, great
songwriting, great production.

559
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,000
Just, you know, there's not.
I can't really think of a really

560
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,280
bad Aerosmith album, except
maybe the bootleg live one.

561
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
That one was pretty lousy.
Just bad sound quality.

562
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Because it was not meant to be
an album, but night in the ruts.

563
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,240
And all that, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

564
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,400
Yeah, there was.
There was some weird stuff, but

565
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,240
you know, it's.
That's not really the point

566
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,640
though.
I mean, yeah, you're talking

567
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,480
about a 40 or 50 year career who
hasn't had good, good years and

568
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,080
bad years.
Yeah, Well, my.

569
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,520
Old My old friend Craig Burris
one time said to me about a

570
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,600
product that High End had
released, and he said, you know

571
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,720
what?
Every once in a while,

572
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,320
everyone's going to kick out a
turd.

573
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,080
That's right.
And he said.

574
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,800
It right, you know, I mean, it's
true.

575
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,240
You can't have only number one
hits.

576
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,360
You got to, you got to and in.
Particular with a band when

577
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,400
you're dealing with a real close
family situation that has all of

578
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,680
the pitfalls that close
relationships have in addition

579
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,720
to the actual creative process
and the production process and

580
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
all that.
So right now they they have

581
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,240
earned a final, they have earned
a once around the block, take a

582
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,720
bow and and exit gently into the
night.

583
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Yeah.
You know, I don't know why, but

584
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,440
I always associate you with Van
Halen and.

585
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,200
You.
Know you didn't work for them

586
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,520
their entire career or your
entire career.

587
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,200
I think you did what, 10-15
years or something with them?

588
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Which?
Is a long time.

589
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,560
Close to that.
I let me see.

590
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,600
I did.
I did like 86 until what was it

591
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,760
like 93?
Oh, so whatever that is 7 years,

592
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,320
six or seven years.
And of course, I first entered

593
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,360
into him on this.
We did this tour my my first

594
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,240
tour with Journey for their the
Infinity record, right?

595
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,760
So the lineup was Van Halen,
Ronnie Montrose and Journey,

596
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,000
right?
Right.

597
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,640
And that was the.
First time that That slot was

598
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,400
the first time they had done
shows out of the Starwood, out

599
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,960
of the LA scene.
And so I met them then and they

600
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,680
did about two months of that,
maybe 2 1/2 months before they

601
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,960
then went to go open for Black
Sabbath, yeah, and and so forth

602
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520
and so on.
But so I met them then.

603
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,840
I never worked with them until.
They didn't work with Will

604
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,920
until.
Until Dave left and yeah, Pete

605
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,960
went with Dave.
It was always Pete with them.

606
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,480
And yeah, amazing job with them.
Wonderful job, right?

607
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,680
And so you were there just for
the.

608
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Sammy Hagar years, correct?
Yeah, I would screw the many

609
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,040
would argue worth the best
years.

610
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,040
You know, there's always an
argument on which was the best

611
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,920
version of Van Halen.
That's right.

612
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,880
But.
To me, it's two different bands.

613
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,520
It is.
It is totally.

614
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,080
Two different bands and you you
either like and you can.

615
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,520
I mean, I always totally loved
and respected the Dave what Dave

616
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,080
did and name with Sam, you know?
I mean I.

617
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,960
You.
Had one that was a great singer

618
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,199
and one was a great showman and
very different styles.

619
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,679
There's lots of.
Singers have limited range in

620
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,159
this.
Dave was a great singer too,

621
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,280
within within the range and
within his style.

622
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,239
I mean, Dave, Dave was a a a
style and a lifestyle as much as

623
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,600
he was as much as he was a a
vocalist, if you will.

624
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Yeah, well, his skills were
maybe not as as his, his range

625
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,280
and all this technical singing
skills may not have been the the

626
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,280
same as Sam's.
He, you know, he was right for

627
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,040
the attitude, right for the
message.

628
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,840
And he was very inventive as far
as being able to put together

629
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,760
words and and the whole, you
know, double entendre thing and

630
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,480
all that.
So, you know, I mean, it was two

631
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,960
different bands, two different
bands.

632
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520
Yeah, I was going to say I.
Remember, because I was hired,

633
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,920
you know, I was hired, OK?
Came with myself and Ed Leffler,

634
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,720
who was Sam's manager, came with
that was the Ed was kind enough

635
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,880
to bring me in because Pete, you
know, Pete went with Dave,

636
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,240
Dave's manager.
And of course I was nervous.

637
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,080
I mean, you wonder, you wonder
when you haven't heard anything.

638
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,280
I remember the night that they
asked me to come up to the

639
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,600
studio to listen to a couple of
the first rough tracks.

640
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,840
Eddie Studio. 5150 Wow.
And I remember going up there

641
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,600
and what did they play?
They played Good Enough Dreams

642
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,480
and Best of Both Worlds and I
can remember myself going up

643
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,760
there going, I wonder what this
is going to be all about.

644
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,960
Everything.
And about halfway through the

645
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,520
1st song I'm like, Oh yeah, this
will be just fine.

646
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,880
Yeah, no kidding.
Those songs were huge to worry

647
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,960
about.
Yeah, nothing to worry.

648
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,760
About, you know.
Again, I for some reason, I've

649
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,200
always associated you in my head
with Van Halen.

650
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Like if anyone asked me, hey,
what is what did Dave do?

651
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,480
I mean, now I would say, you
know, Alice Cooper, probably

652
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,480
because that's the most recent
stuff Bon Jovi for. 15 years

653
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,600
too.
Yeah, I know.

654
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,760
I.
Forget that as well, But I think

655
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,920
the Van Halen thing is because
you were there for I think

656
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,200
arguably their biggest years.
Like, you know, the biggest

657
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,000
shows they were doing was with
Sammy.

658
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,280
I think, you know, 8484 was big.
Yeah, 84 was.

659
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Big.
And that was a fantastic record.

660
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Yeah, yeah, it sure was.
That was a classic.

661
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040
It was a hit machine.
Yeah, he's 84.

662
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,320
But I mean, look, even.
I mean, look, the first record,

663
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,160
I mean, come on.
When I I remember it was the

664
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Hollywood Sportatorium.
It's called the Snortatorium.

665
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,360
Yes.
Yeah.

666
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,600
That was the first show that
they did with us.

667
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Yeah.
And even then, what was it,

668
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,520
7879?
I was six or seven years and I

669
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,520
was already probably jaded and
they plugged in and like, yeah,

670
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,920
everybody, you know, I turned
around and said, what the

671
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,760
fucking?
What am I hearing?

672
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,320
Yeah.
This.

673
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,520
Yeah.
And you just know, you know, you

674
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,640
just knew.
Yeah, from the first time that

675
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,520
they that they hit a note and
was special.

676
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,520
There.
Yeah, for sure.

677
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,200
I mean.
One of Ed's real things, and I

678
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,240
say it you know, was somebody.
I mean, Ed was such a natural.

679
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:38,720
Everything flowed every night
from the head down to through

680
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,240
the heart out of the hands.
And it's like they played every

681
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,920
night.
They played the same set list.

682
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,360
You knew every song and you
recognize that and all that.

683
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,200
But every night Ed would play a
little different.

684
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,840
Every night he would
instinctively would that feel

685
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,160
that he had play a solo
differently or add intonations

686
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,520
or moments to a solo that we're
different every night.

687
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,000
Eddie Van Halen.
To me, I guess some would argue

688
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Jimi Hendrix, but Eddie Van
Halen to me was like what Wayne

689
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Gretzky was in hockey, what
Michael Jordan was in

690
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,600
basketball, You know, arguably,
I guess Brady in football, like

691
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,320
he changed the game.
He he literally changed the

692
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960
game.
He reinvented the game, as did.

693
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,760
As did Clapton and Page in the
60s and 70s in a sense.

694
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,800
Yeah, but I mean, they were
still really in that Blues.

695
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,480
They were in the in the rails
between the rails like he just

696
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,600
had and and some people say he
didn't change anything.

697
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,800
Blackmore did it before him, the
hammer ONS and stuff but.

698
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Not like that, but even if it if
that's the really not relevant

699
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,080
at the end of the day, I don't
know if it's super important to

700
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,800
be like the very first from dot,
but what he did with it and the

701
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160
way that he used it change the
game.

702
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,840
I mean, Will Chamberlain.
And and Larry Bird and whoever,

703
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,280
they played basketball before
Michael Jordan did.

704
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,800
That's right.
But but Michael Jordan changed

705
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120
the game.
Tiger Woods changed the game.

706
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,680
You know, like these guys,
literally there's before that

707
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,720
person and after that person.
Something changed when that

708
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,640
person started, right?
Absolutely.

709
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,760
And and.
I've, I've always felt like

710
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Eddie was that guy again.
I've had arguments with people

711
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,560
who say it was Jimi Hendrix, but
I was never a big Hendrix fan it

712
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,520
Jimmy was.
In 1960, you know, 6867 and

713
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,880
yeah, changed it again, of
course.

714
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,400
Yeah.
In 78, yeah, you know, have you

715
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,680
have.
You seen or heard the the book?

716
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,120
I think it's called Brothers.
I have it but I forget what it's

717
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,040
called.
AL's book, No.

718
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,040
No, yeah, it's.
It's it's interesting because

719
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,840
it's only the DLR years.
It's not the Sammy years and you

720
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,800
know, he kind of says some some
pretty controversial stuff where

721
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:09,160
he says Van Halen was those four
members and you know, there's a

722
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,120
lot of die hard Van Halen fans
that would say the same that it

723
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:19,200
was David Lee Roth and but.
It's, you know, I we'd have to

724
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,520
go off off the record, Yeah.
So.

725
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,240
No, that's all right.
I love Al I, I actually my

726
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,400
ex-wife and I lived with Al and
his wife for a year when I oh

727
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,960
wow.
Like I shared his house with him

728
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,880
for a year.
I buried his father with him.

729
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,240
Oh my.
Goodness and all that.

730
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:45,720
And Al is a, he's a, he's a,
he's a good man and interesting

731
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:50,400
personality.
And it doesn't surprise me they

732
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:58,640
are mercurial personalities and
now houses reasons.

733
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,200
And none of us are there to to
say whether or not it's founded

734
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,800
or not founded it.
Doesn't matter.

735
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,280
Everyone has their own feelings
and their rights to them and

736
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,200
everything else right.
I think that it's.

737
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,760
Just I think that that band is
there to be enjoyed by

738
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,200
everybody, the ways each person
enjoys it.

739
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,960
And absolutely I loved.
I loved both versions of Van

740
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,560
Halen.
Like, you know, the first Van

741
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,320
Halen.
I thought, there's no way.

742
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,120
I was never a Sammy Hagar, big
Sammy Hagar fan.

743
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,880
I thought, there's no way this
guy's going to step into David's

744
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,280
shoes.
This is a joke.

745
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Forget it.
And I went the David Lee Roth

746
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,000
way.
I followed him for a while until

747
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,720
I went, wait a SEC, This is
pretty good.

748
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,560
This stuff over here, like, wow,
you know, I mean, you know.

749
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
And and nothing wrong with
skyscraper either.

750
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,440
And no.
No smile and all that.

751
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,480
So, yeah, but, well, bringing in
Billy.

752
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,160
Sheehan and and Greg Bissonnette
and Steve Vai, like, you're not

753
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,920
going to have too terrible a
music out of those guys, you

754
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,800
know?
Do you really even need a

755
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,560
singer?
And and Al, just like everybody

756
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,120
else has his personal opinion.
I yes, he was certainly there

757
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,120
and a part of it.
And whether it is, I mean, but

758
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,440
validity, you know, validity of
opinions just lie with the

759
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,240
person who owns them.
Really, it's a good book.

760
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,560
Though it's it's, you know,
again they loved.

761
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,360
Each other man they long time.
Van Halen fan since the very

762
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,560
first note of the first album I
ever heard, I was like, I'm sold

763
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,720
this this is my band.
I like these guys and and I was

764
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,720
a musician, you know, so it was
like, what am I hearing right

765
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:39,680
now?
This is crazy and but you know,

766
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,160
the book is fun.
It it's just really nice to hear

767
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,840
some of those really super
sentimental, super heartfelt

768
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,360
stories straight from the the
horse's mouth or however you say

769
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920
that they loved.
Each other, man, they, that

770
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,400
family was beyond tight.
They loved each other.

771
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,240
Yeah.
Al is very devastated by his

772
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:07,440
father's passing, as was dead.
And they are hyper, you know,

773
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,800
hyper, close, emotional family.
Yeah.

774
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,520
Yeah, I know.
I can't even begin to imagine

775
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
AL's response when Ed passed.
Yeah.

776
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,120
So yeah.
Brutal.

777
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,800
It's no.
Surprise that that book is very

778
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680
personal and very hard.
Because.

779
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,440
They both loved each other.
Yeah, very much.

780
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Do you know?
Do you know Wolfgang?

781
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
No.
He was just born when I was

782
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,040
there.
I mean, I, I was gone in, like I

783
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,040
say, like 93 and Oh yeah, I
think he was born in like 89 or

784
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,720
yeah, yeah.
Saw him as a.

785
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,640
What a talent though, huh?
I said.

786
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,160
Huh.
He's a talent.

787
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,240
He is a super.
Talent, and I mean.

788
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,600
I just saw him on a drumming
channel.

789
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,080
I saw him on a drum channel on
YouTube doing this drum thing,

790
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,560
and I was like, man, you know,
he's a good drummer.

791
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,720
Like he whips off Eddie's solos
like nothing.

792
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,840
Yeah, which is incredible.
He's a good bass player.

793
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,040
He's a great singer.
Yeah, it's his.

794
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440
Father's legacy and, and God
bless that.

795
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,040
And I just hope, you know, like
everything, you know, you want

796
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,400
him to be doing it because he
loves it also, which I, I'm

797
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,960
hoping I don't because I have no
dialogue with the Wolfie.

798
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,000
But I want to hope that he's
doing it because he loves it,

799
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,520
not because he feels an
obligation to do it.

800
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,760
Yeah.
And he has so much to offer.

801
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120
I just want it to be my.
My only wish for him is that

802
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,680
it's because with the right
motivation and inspiration so

803
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:46,920
that he lives his life happily
and without any kind of baggage.

804
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320
Yeah.
From his parents.

805
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,600
I only met him one.
Time I it was actually in

806
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,440
Edmonton, I was there with Rob
Koenig going to see Metallica

807
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:02,960
and as we were walking in, I
practically tripped over Wolfie

808
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,600
on his way to I think he was
getting back in the van to go to

809
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,040
the hotel.
I missed their set.

810
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:13,200
But talk to him for 20 seconds
and super nice, super humble

811
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,840
like, you know, he could have
been a massive douchebag.

812
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,040
He's Eddie Van Halen's son, but
doesn't seem that way at least.

813
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,840
Wait, he.
Wouldn't have learned that from

814
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,600
his old man.
His old man was very humble.

815
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,840
Sweet guy.
Yeah.

816
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,760
Wonderful art He he would have
never I would never expect that

817
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,640
of Wolfie because he's not like
that Al isn't like that Al is is

818
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,680
tougher yeah.
Easier yeah, Al is more he's

819
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,080
more gout steely and being the
business the you know is AL's

820
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,200
band Yeah.
You know, I met Al once that

821
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,640
like.
Malcolm.

822
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,320
With ACDC, you know, yeah.
I think it was Willow, Willow

823
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,760
Springs racetrack in California.
But you know, when he was into,

824
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,840
I don't think he is anymore, but
when he was into racing, right,

825
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,880
I met him there.
I was there racing and and he

826
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,280
was there racing and it was just
hey, how you doing?

827
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,560
He was just another driver in
the drivers meeting.

828
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,800
You know, it was kind of funny.
Very nice guy.

829
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Overall, yeah.
You know, very cordial, funny,

830
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Eddie.
Eddie, the first time I met him

831
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,280
was at Nam.
Maybe it wasn't the first time,

832
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,480
but one of the times was at Nam
and we were setting up, I was

833
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,680
with Martin Lighting and we were
setting up our booth and he

834
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,200
comes up and he goes, hey,
what's this stuff, you know, And

835
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,840
we were just programming the
booth, right?

836
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,920
And he goes, what's this stuff?
These are cool.

837
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,160
And like, he had about 50
questions about these light

838
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,640
fixtures, right?
And he was like, well, how's

839
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,560
that?
How's that work?

840
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,120
How do you change the color of
that thing?

841
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Like, whoa, this is cool, you
know?

842
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400
And I don't know if he was just
wasted out of his brains or if

843
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,640
he was genuinely interested.
Oh, he he couldn't.

844
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,080
I I'm not going to speak to his
state of mind, but that is

845
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,400
genuinely, that is the genuine
guy.

846
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,200
Yeah.
Yeah, he is always, you know,

847
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,240
curious.
He's.

848
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,440
Always been curious.
Always kind.

849
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Always, Yeah, Enthusiastic and,
yeah, exciting.

850
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,760
Much like Tommy Lee.
You know Manchild?

851
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,880
Yeah.
Tommy still to this day and he's

852
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,440
what, 65 or something?
And he's still the same, yes.

853
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,320
He is still the same.
You'd like to see the guy slow

854
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,720
down a little bit.
Like, you know, every video I

855
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,120
see with him, he's still
smoking.

856
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Stuff that can kill him.
But yeah, you never want to see

857
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,080
people.
I mean, I used to.

858
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,280
I envied I always, because, you
know, I certainly didn't grow up

859
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,120
that way.
But, you know, I envy those

860
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,800
people who have that childlike
innocence and can study

861
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,360
sincerely excited by something
they've seen 100 times.

862
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,520
Yeah.
Yeah, times that.

863
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,320
Edward's seen the lights, you
know, even yeah stuff.

864
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,760
But he is, he seemed.
Genuinely, he was probably in

865
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,280
our booth for like, I don't
know, 20 minutes, 1520 minutes.

866
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,360
And like whoever, I don't know
if it was a manager or whoever

867
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,920
was with him was like, Eddie, we
got to go, Eddie, we got to go.

868
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,240
And he's like, hang on, you
know, I'm talking to these guys

869
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,040
about these cool lights.
Yeah.

870
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,720
Yeah, it was pretty fun.
And that's very.

871
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,520
Much, Tommy, That was actually
Michael Jackson was like that as

872
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,200
well.
Yeah.

873
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:10,960
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

874
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,960
Did you work with Michael?
Yeah, I did.

875
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,360
The The 81 Not Triumph Tour OK.
Yeah, I did the I.

876
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,280
Did the commercial where his
hair got caught on fire all

877
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,720
right?
Yeah, I remember that story as

878
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,080
well.
Yeah, somebody else told me.

879
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Recently that they were there
when Michael Jackson's hair

880
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,240
caught on fire.
Who was that?

881
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,560
Well, it was a full.
You know, it was a full event

882
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,360
shot with an audience.
Yeah.

883
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,200
Yeah, somebody else just told me
that recently production.

884
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Manager.
Yeah, right.

885
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,000
All right.
Steve Stanford was the designer.

886
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,840
I was the board operator.
Right.

887
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,480
Huh.
Yeah.

888
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,600
So when are you back out again?
End of the month, end of

889
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,320
January.
And you go where?

890
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,760
Start in Augusta, GA Oh, so
it's.

891
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:01,680
Down here.
Oh, right.

892
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,960
Yeah.
You said you're in Florida.

893
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,240
And in February it ends up with
a.

894
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,680
Cruise, he's doing one of those
cruises, OK.

895
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,720
That's Alice.
That's not probably like

896
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,120
vampires.
No vampires.

897
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,320
Johnny's got a movie to do this
year, so what's he doing?

898
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,000
Is it?
It's not a Pirates of the

899
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,720
Caribbean?
He's not back in that thing, is

900
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:19,760
he?
Something about I.

901
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,000
Heard something about some movie
with Penélope Cruz again, but

902
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,240
oh, fun, I didn't.
I don't know much about it.

903
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,840
I've always been a.
Johnny Depp fan version of.

904
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,200
This year.
But yeah, I think that, yeah,

905
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:39,080
postponed, yeah.
So you know.

906
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,520
Last time you were on here,
2020, obviously some things have

907
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,000
changed since then and last time
I physically saw you in person,

908
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,680
it was still a a masks thing.
I remember everyone had to wear

909
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,080
masks and.
And, you know, I was looking for

910
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,640
you and I couldn't find you
because you had a mascot.

911
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,680
And I'm like, does anybody know
where Davidian is?

912
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,840
And he's like, yeah, he's right
there.

913
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,920
He's standing right here.
I'm like, damn it.

914
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Yeah.
So.

915
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,920
I hated, I hated not being able
to see people's faces because me

916
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,000
too, I.
I did.

917
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,360
I hated the whole.
The only thing I liked about it

918
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,440
though is the fucking guest list
went away.

919
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,880
Oh hell.
Yeah, yeah.

920
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,480
No and no after show things and
yeah.

921
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,440
Yeah, that's what peaceful, less
hectic working environment,

922
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,400
right?
But I've had this.

923
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,840
Habit, probably because I lost
half of my hearing when I was a

924
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,320
musician, but I've always had
this habit of lip reading and so

925
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,040
it it it off puts some people
because when you're talking to

926
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,840
me I'm looking at your mouth,
not at your eyes and it's purely

927
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,400
by accident.
It it just happened over time

928
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,400
and and I read lips as I'm as
I'm talking to people nice.

929
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,600
And so with masks, I was always
saying excuse me, excuse me what

930
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,960
what huh.
What'd?

931
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,560
You say you know.
Right, because I genuinely,

932
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,280
yeah, couldn't hear them, you
know?

933
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,240
Well, that's just.
That's a.

934
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,960
Super cool skill.
So that you're the guy that

935
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,120
those all those football guys
are putting the paper up in

936
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,600
front of them.
No, I'm not that.

937
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Good.
I'm not that good.

938
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,520
You know, I I'd like to think of
it.

939
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,080
You have the.
Skill to decode right?

940
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,880
But I'm not that good.
I, I can't, yeah, I can't just

941
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,200
look at somebody's mouth from 20
feet away and go person's

942
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,320
talking about this because.
Oh, OK, OK.

943
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,840
Like Obama?
And Trump were talking the other

944
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,680
day at the funeral of that
thing, and I was trying to, I

945
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,360
was trying to find someone on
the Internet who had already

946
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,840
figured out what they were
saying.

947
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Oh, yeah.
And then I ran out of time.

948
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,640
I just didn't have time to go
down that rabbit hole.

949
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,160
But you know, it'd be a good
skill to have to be able to, to

950
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,720
read lips from a long distance
like that signing, you know?

951
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,920
Like the signing thing.
Yeah, yeah, my my ex.

952
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:52,080
Wife, her sister is deaf.
And so I learned signing, I'd

953
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,160
say very slowly, like I'd have
to go, you know, the, you know,

954
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,040
it'd take me like a minute to
tell you something you could say

955
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,480
out loud in 10 seconds.
So, right.

956
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,280
So I wasn't good at it by any
stretch, that's for sure.

957
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,920
But I did know all the letters
and some of the words.

958
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,560
I'm awful.
I bet my wife is Mexican.

959
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,480
I've been married to her for 27
years and I still haven't

960
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,840
learned Spanish.
Really.

961
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,400
She learned English before I
learned Spanish, so oh wow.

962
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,480
So she was she, she was a
relatively new American.

963
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,320
Like she came over still.
Speaking just Spanish.

964
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:33,480
Wow, actually never wanted to
speak English really, but that

965
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,040
would.
Have made for a rough marriage.

966
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,480
It would have you not speaking
Spanish, her not speaking

967
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:37,880
English.
Yeah.

968
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,680
Although maybe that's where
that's how you stay friendly.

969
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,440
Yeah.
Maybe that works?

970
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,880
Even better when nobody knows
what anybody's saying on the

971
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,560
day, right?
Yeah, yeah.

972
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,120
I mean, you might starve to
death and.

973
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,200
But yeah, so.
Great skills in multiple

974
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,320
languages.
My son is bilingual and that's

975
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,160
he doesn't really understand
what a gift that is.

976
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Yeah.
You have a daughter too, don't

977
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,680
you?
I have a daughter.

978
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,240
Who's in the business Works for
Danny O'Brien, right?

979
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,880
Yeah, I.
Thought so, yeah.

980
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,880
Very happy, proud of her and you
know she's the best.

981
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,400
That's cool.
What was I going to ask you?

982
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,720
So you know, again, going back
to like touring post COVID,

983
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,200
right?
What are what are some of the

984
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,960
challenges that you still deal
with today in 2025?

985
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,720
You're going out in January,
going to tell you I'm.

986
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:33,840
Still dealing with COVID.
I had four COVID cases last last

987
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,520
summer and spring and fall in
Europe.

988
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,320
Yeah, COVID is still out there.
Yeah, nobody's masking and

989
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,880
everything, but we had and I
still, I mean, we with Alice as

990
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,800
a policy, we quarantine.
Oh.

991
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,240
Really.
Oh, absolutely.

992
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,000
We still quarantine now if
anybody gets it, they go into a

993
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,040
hotel, whatever it is for a week
until they're testing negative,

994
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,440
But it that can be a real
problem.

995
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,120
I really when your monitor guy
gets it or you know so for the

996
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,320
musician gets it, you know need
our guitar player.

997
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,880
She got it had to put her in a
hotel.

998
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,080
Wow, you know.
So what did he do bring?

999
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,440
In a different guitar player for
a week, the other guys.

1000
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,080
The other guys came in and
covered, you know, the other

1001
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,360
guys covered.
Oh wow.

1002
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,160
So they were just missing.
Her.

1003
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,360
Yeah, we're just we're.
Just missing her for those,

1004
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,400
she'd be one that people had.
Noticed missing too, yeah.

1005
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
They all notice anybody, any one
of them, that's missing.

1006
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,080
But we can't.
I mean, I'm not going to, you

1007
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,480
know, and nobody wants to infect
a whole, you know, group of

1008
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,200
people on the road.
Yeah, you know, So what?

1009
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,040
What else can you do that's
interesting?

1010
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,200
Because you're probably the
first person who I've spoken to

1011
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,080
in the last, I don't know, year
and a half or so who said that

1012
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,720
you're still dealing with stuff
like that, like quarantining,

1013
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:55,880
Like people get sick, obviously.
But yeah, I don't even know

1014
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,040
anyone testing right now.
Like, well, we don't test.

1015
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,120
Until that people present we
don't test.

1016
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,320
But if someone catches a cold, I
carry the stuff still and if

1017
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,960
someone starts coughing or
anything I shove a test in front

1018
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,560
of them and say yeah
interesting.

1019
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,360
And if they?
Test positive, then we get them

1020
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,920
out of there because it's not
fair to the other people on the

1021
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,160
road to like, constantly expose
them to something that that's

1022
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,160
that infectious and, yeah,
irritable and all that.

1023
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,400
So we with Alice, we still
quarantine.

1024
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,640
Interesting.
With could Alice?

1025
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Never get it.
No, Alice has gotten it.

1026
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,200
He's gotten it a couple of
times, but he hasn't gotten it

1027
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,240
on the road.
He gets, he got it last time,

1028
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,680
right before we left.
We left the tour, you know.

1029
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,080
So did you have to cancel dates
or anything?

1030
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,360
No, he he got.
Over it.

1031
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,360
Like, yeah.
OK, just in time to.

1032
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,320
To make it interesting.
So luckily.

1033
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,080
No, I mean, he's the only one
that, you know, that would cause

1034
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,520
cancellations.
Yeah.

1035
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,800
That's cool that you can cover
everybody else out there,

1036
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,120
including the band we have it
to.

1037
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,320
Be tough to, I guess the
drummer.

1038
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,920
It'd be a bit bit tough, we do,
but there.

1039
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,840
Are people we've, we've over the
years have a couple of people we

1040
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,160
can go to that we've actually
sent the show to and they in

1041
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,720
their back, you know, kind of do
a, you've got a bench.

1042
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,680
Here.
Right.

1043
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,080
Yeah, you've got a bench.
We have a.

1044
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,760
We have.
A bass player and we have a a

1045
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,400
drum guy that who could fill in
and all that and then with there

1046
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,880
being 3 guitar players would
play in the odds.

1047
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,360
Yeah, you usually.
Have coverage, yeah, if two of

1048
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,040
them get it, you could still
kind of cover it.

1049
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,320
Yeah, it.
Would get pretty tough that.

1050
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,720
Yeah, it'd get tough.
You'd miss some parts for sure.

1051
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,880
Yeah, have.
To.

1052
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,640
Alice and and vampires are the
only two acts you're working

1053
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,240
with now.
Then yes, they take up.

1054
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,200
Pretty much most of my time, I'm
certainly open to do anything

1055
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,320
else.
But yeah, breaks are usually

1056
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,920
only about a month, give or take
month, month and a half.

1057
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,480
So it's pretty hard to find
another tour that slots into

1058
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,760
that, yeah.
Can you do any video stuff

1059
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,360
anymore or I I haven't?
Recently I did all the video for

1060
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,760
the Vampires tour.
Yeah, content I later.

1061
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,880
So I did all the lighting, did
all the video content, design

1062
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,520
the products at the State of
whole thing, soup the nuts,

1063
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,240
which is very cool.
It it got pretty hectic, though,

1064
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,880
being the tour manager and doing
all that at the same time.

1065
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,320
Yeah.
But again, thank God for Cosmo.

1066
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,120
Thank God for, you know, the
companies.

1067
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Thank God for Dizzy.
Yeah, Joel Reef and all the

1068
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,360
people who kind of helped
motivate it through.

1069
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,040
Yeah.
Joel as well.

1070
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,440
Yeah, well, I, I.
Went with to Joel and Cosmo both

1071
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,520
because they're both friend and
I want because I hadn't done a

1072
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,640
lighting design per SE.
I'm very out of touch with gear.

1073
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,040
I know what I wanted, but like I
didn't have yeah, numbers and

1074
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,920
and brands that were better than
others and all that.

1075
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,640
So first of all, I I treat you
know, I created like the layout

1076
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,520
that I thought was great and I
just put like a, you know, bar

1077
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,080
shaped instrument with the multi
lights in it and the regular you

1078
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,800
know, yeah, that and the other
thing, and I sent it off to them

1079
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,440
and say OK, AD alike.
What are?

1080
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,000
The fixtures that.
You populate it with what are

1081
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,200
your, you know, choices?
And then we kicked it around

1082
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,000
back and forth and then and then
populated it.

1083
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,360
Yeah.
Wait, you know who's your

1084
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,680
vendor?
Is it bandit being that it's

1085
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,160
dizzy?
Either Bandit.

1086
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,680
With Alice with the Vampires it
it's it has been Bandit, but it

1087
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,440
was also AD when the States we
use DCR, but in Europe we used

1088
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:29,720
actually in the UK we used this
company called Zigzag that was

1089
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,200
worked out.
I'm familiar with them.

1090
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,520
Actually, Blair Brothers is the.
Audio vendor for the vampires

1091
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,960
and video was a company called
Pixel, which now has been

1092
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,280
purchased by LMG.
Oh wow, interesting.

1093
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,360
The big guys are buying all the
guys out there.

1094
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,720
Yeah, yeah, Claire owns everyone
in the audio world.

1095
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,960
And yeah, pretty.
Much it's getting pretty.

1096
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,680
Wild and four walls buying all
the lighting companies comes.

1097
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,280
Yeah, yeah.
But Claire does a great job.

1098
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Yeah.
Yeah, they do.

1099
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,360
Claire does a.
Great job.

1100
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,920
They're the gold standard for a
reason.

1101
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,920
Yes, they are.
Yeah, it's true, you know.

1102
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,040
Yeah.
What else you got going on?

1103
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,000
Anything personally?
Anything fun you're doing?

1104
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Did you just take up guitar or?
Snowboarding.

1105
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,880
Or something.
No, I've never.

1106
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,280
Been a creature, unfortunately
of hobbies and all that.

1107
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,080
No, you know I have an old car
that I may play around with the

1108
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,160
keys.
We occupied a what is it?

1109
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,360
1968 Triumph TR250O Fun.
I love triumphs.

1110
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,280
Yeah, I was just with a friend
of mine.

1111
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,120
I went over to Naples for a few
days this past weekend.

1112
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,400
A friend of mine from Canada is
probably the most knowledgeable

1113
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,480
classic car guy I've ever known
in my life.

1114
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,480
Right.
American muscle cars, mostly.

1115
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,320
Yeah, but like if you told him,
you know, Mustang just drove by,

1116
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,920
he'd say what did it look like?
It was blue and white and had

1117
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,960
windows shaped like this.
He'd be like, Oh yeah, that's a

1118
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,080
67 fastback, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

1119
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,160
Yeah, it'd have all the.
You know it had this.

1120
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,120
Engine.
There were only so many made and

1121
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,120
blah, blah blah.
Like, I mean, this guy's an

1122
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,240
encyclopedia on these cars and
he buys and sells them

1123
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,360
constantly.
So he's going to the Mecum

1124
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,560
auction in Orlando.
I don't have too.

1125
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,040
Many too many habits.
I mean, of course, I've been

1126
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,360
kind of tied up doing the
advance for these shows.

1127
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,160
And of course, we have Alice's
birthday on this leg and the

1128
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,760
Super Bowl, so I oh, fun you.
Got to work out both parties,

1129
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,800
both of those.
Events.

1130
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,320
Yeah, that's right.
So what will you do?

1131
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,800
For the Super Bowl.
We're going to, we're going to,

1132
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,800
we're going to do a private room
in a, in a restaurant bar and

1133
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,200
then I'll bring in some big TV's
and get it, make sure it's

1134
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,960
catered and all that.
Oh, that's cool.

1135
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,160
And.
That'll be the band and the

1136
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,720
crew.
Or just the band or animal.

1137
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,240
The crew?
No, no.

1138
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,520
No, we do.
I I try and do everything with

1139
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,480
everybody as much as we can
also, that's cool.

1140
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,560
Inner is all about whatever we
do for special events.

1141
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,640
We're always That's super.
Cool, I like that all.

1142
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,720
Inclusive different hotels.
Though, right?

1143
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,160
Dan and crew.
Dan and crew stay in the same

1144
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,440
place financially.
That's crazy.

1145
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,160
Yeah, but no, no.
We're in the same hotel.

1146
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,120
That's cool.
Most times I I like.

1147
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,440
I like tours like that.
That's.

1148
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,600
You know when?
When?

1149
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,720
The band's in The Four Seasons
and the cruise in the Holiday

1150
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,480
Inn down the road.
It's yeah.

1151
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,360
It's got bad optics.
Sometimes.

1152
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,800
It it's it's put on the tour
manager hat sometimes it's just

1153
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,520
when especially when you get
into large scale cruise.

1154
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,680
Yeah, just financially, you
know, unmanageable.

1155
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,360
Yeah, but.
What you don't do is.

1156
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,720
That's the thing.
You don't put them in the

1157
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,320
Holiday Inn or the Motel 6.
You instead of having them in

1158
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,880
The Four Seasons, you put them
in a Hilton, Hyatt or Marion.

1159
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,160
Yeah, yeah.
That makes sense.

1160
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,320
That's where I don't.
Like it where, when it goes

1161
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,320
from, you know, where there's
such a discrepancy?

1162
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,560
Yeah.
Do you get involved in Alice's

1163
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,200
golf at all?
Like does he get you involved in

1164
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,080
working out logistics on that?
On what?

1165
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,800
On just golf, like the golf's
done by.

1166
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,720
Callaway, we do every day.
I mean, I, I get golf, you know,

1167
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,040
every day he plays every single
day that the weather hits.

1168
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,240
Yeah.
And like we get feedback from

1169
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,040
our Callaway Rep and they yeah,
send it to me and then I put it

1170
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,080
in the day sheet every day.
Oh, really?

1171
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,440
So you do put it in the day
sheet?

1172
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,720
That's interesting.
Yeah, in the day sheet.

1173
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,160
Every day.
That's cool.

1174
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,080
What a what a fun gig so.
Yeah, I mean I.

1175
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,120
Don't, I don't, I don't have
anything else to talk about

1176
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,080
really.
I just, you know, challenges

1177
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,560
today.
So you mentioned COVID, what

1178
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,880
about like gear and people?
Are you still struggling with

1179
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,800
that?
Gear and people, you know, it is

1180
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,320
busy.
I mean, after COVID, you know,

1181
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,920
everything came back with like a
double whammy of busyness.

1182
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:45,080
And I keep kind of waiting for
it to kind of normalize, if you

1183
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,000
will, a little bit.
But I, it's still going strong.

1184
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,680
So we, there is a struggle for
competent people, you know what

1185
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,080
I mean?
For, for people because

1186
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,760
everybody is really gets booked
up.

1187
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,800
You know, we've managed to
manage it.

1188
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:04,240
And of course Alice not being a,
you know, a level budget, kind

1189
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,360
of, you know, he's not arenas in
stadiums.

1190
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,040
He's playing theatres and arenas
and festivals and things like

1191
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,120
that.
It's it, it becomes a little bit

1192
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,000
of a challenge, but you know,
we've managed to be, we've

1193
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,680
managed to work it, the
longevity.

1194
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,160
Is is in insane with how it just
really is cool.

1195
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,320
You know, you were mentioning
earlier just a few minutes ago

1196
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,360
about the the logistics and the
hotels getting too pricey

1197
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,600
sometimes for everybody to be in
the same one.

1198
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,560
I was listening to a podcast
today yesterday.

1199
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,240
Are you familiar with Mr. Beast?
Oh, the TV show guy?

1200
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,960
Well, he's the.
Podcast guy.

1201
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,280
But now he just did a very
successful game show.

1202
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,000
Yeah, right.
And I haven't.

1203
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,400
Seen the game show but I know
all about it and but it.

1204
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,320
Starts out with 1000 people.
Yeah, I've seen the.

1205
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,960
Game show.
My kid had me watch the game so

1206
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,800
he.
Was talking on this podcast

1207
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,640
about the logistics of doing
this, this show and just how

1208
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,480
expensive it is.
You know, because they've got

1209
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,760
like just the set is so
expensive and the pieces in the

1210
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,280
set are so expensive and the,
the, the tricks are expensive.

1211
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,560
All of it's expensive.
But he said just imagine putting

1212
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,640
up 1000 people in hotel rooms
and transporting 1000 people to

1213
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,360
venues and, you know, feeding
1000 people every day, plus all

1214
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,960
the crews and stuff.
You know, he said everything is

1215
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,000
just like scaled up to a point
where it's just so brutally

1216
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,720
expensive.
You know, if if rooms are $200 a

1217
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,480
night, that's $200,000 just for
just for the contestants hotel

1218
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,440
rooms per night.
Yeah, right.

1219
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,000
So it was like, wow, that the
scale of that thing is just

1220
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,680
crazy.
No, yeah.

1221
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,520
Tour touring has gotten very
expensive.

1222
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,800
I mean trucks I can imagine.
In particular.

1223
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,000
Got substantially everything
hotels.

1224
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,600
And hotels, like, I mean, I, I,
I was in Vegas for LDI recently

1225
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:08,280
and I decided to extend my my
stay one more day beforehand,

1226
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,240
come in a day earlier because I
had a meeting that I needed to

1227
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,000
be at my hotel wasn't available.
So I go looking for a hotel room

1228
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,240
and everything was like $1000 a
night because it was Friday

1229
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,840
night.
And I ended up staying at a

1230
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,640
Holiday Inn Express, I think
near the airport for one night.

1231
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,560
And it was, it was 300 and
change.

1232
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,880
Yeah, I know.
It's it's crazy and like when

1233
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,040
you tour Europe, you we have to
book hotels.

1234
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,120
We have, you have to book buses
and hotels almost a year in

1235
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,360
advance.
Wow.

1236
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,680
Because.
The demand is so big yeah, the

1237
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,400
hotels in Europe, man, they
don't give a shit.

1238
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,200
They have like what it's like 4
month cancellation fee.

1239
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,280
Not not 24 hours, not 26 hours,
four months.

1240
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,720
If you don't, if you have a
change or you need to cancel

1241
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,080
something, if you don't do it
four to six months before your

1242
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,440
stay, Yeah, out the whole thing.
So how?

1243
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,960
Does the timing like when you're
you're the tour manager when

1244
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,480
you're booking a tour like this?
So the venue dates are set by

1245
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,120
the promoter, I would guess, and
those or the agent?

1246
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,160
Yeah.
So the agent says we're going to

1247
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,040
do these dates and then does
that come to you and you have to

1248
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,760
go start dealing with the
logistics.

1249
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,480
That's well.
It goes well and Alice, there's

1250
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,600
a tour director in the office,
Toby Namos, that helps.

1251
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,760
That does a lot of that and the
early stuff.

1252
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,400
But with the vampires, it's all
me.

1253
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,280
So yes, when it when it does, it
comes from the agent.

1254
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,280
Well, actually, of course it
goes to Shep first.

1255
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:42,160
Shep signed off on the dates.
And then what happens is with

1256
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,960
the the vampires is that Shep
asked me to put together a

1257
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,560
budget while he's deciding a
rough budget so that he can

1258
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,440
basically see, you know what,
whether it's going to be a net

1259
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,920
profit or a net loss and what
the net profit's going to be the

1260
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,480
decide on accepting the dates.
But then then after all that,

1261
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,840
Shep accepts the dates.
And then from there, yes, I get

1262
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,600
with our travel agent, Nick
Gold, and we start in right away

1263
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,320
with, you know, Nick doesn't do
trucks and buses, but hotels,

1264
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,200
charter flights.
Talk about expensive stuff, man.

1265
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,520
When you're chartering.
Yeah, very expensive, yeah.

1266
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,240
But yes it.
Goes on from there.

1267
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,920
Then I I work with the different
vendors, whether it be travel

1268
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,840
agent or myself or the lighting
sound.

1269
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,360
You start taking bids and
farming out bids, Yeah.

1270
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,520
You know and.
Of course, then there's the

1271
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,000
design side, whether or not
you're going to go out with the

1272
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,600
show you did last time or
whether you're going to redo it,

1273
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,960
redesign it.
And all of that kind of happens

1274
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,320
right after, right after you
have a schedule that's been

1275
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:51,800
agreed to, which is typically
eight months to a year out from

1276
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,240
when you do your first date.
Oh, OK.

1277
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,400
Interesting.
Yeah, I've, I've never really

1278
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,840
gotten into the details of how
that works out on a tour the

1279
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,280
size of an Alice Cooper tour.
You know, I guess it just scales

1280
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,880
up or down from there depending
on what you're doing.

1281
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,240
Yeah.
And.

1282
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,800
You know, it's very like you
say, you know, the larger

1283
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,560
stadium tours much more, much
many more moving parts.

1284
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,720
Yeah.
But if you're doing like a

1285
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,720
European Tour and then festival
dates, can festival dates still

1286
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,880
pop up in between?
Like do you leave openings not

1287
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,359
real?
I mean, they don't try and leave

1288
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,840
openings because they don't want
to take the chance of yeah,

1289
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,880
being a no play date.
Yeah, yes.

1290
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,560
I mean, there's always a chance
for an odd one off that comes up

1291
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,080
early around, you know, earlier
towards the start time that

1292
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,560
would be brought to our
attention.

1293
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,760
But because otherwise.
How do you get festival dates?

1294
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,680
Like, is it when you're not
touring or how does that work

1295
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,720
out?
I mean, like I say, the festival

1296
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,399
start booking there next year,
right after the one, yeah.

1297
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,680
Yeah, yeah.
So it just all comes together.

1298
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:58,920
That's what the agents are doing
you.

1299
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,560
Know done at least a year in
advance, right.

1300
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,800
Those schedules for the big
festivals, whether it's pink pop

1301
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,920
grass pop elfest, all of those,
any Donnington when it happened

1302
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,520
they would start download
whatever and of course

1303
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,720
Glastonbury and all that.
Yeah, yeah.

1304
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:23,520
Fun many, many months previous
to the actual execution of the

1305
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,680
date.
Yeah.

1306
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,720
Well, I'll tell you what.
David, I appreciate you taking

1307
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,520
some time.
It's been fun talking to you and

1308
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,760
and we finally got through some
weird little tech problems at

1309
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:33,680
the beginning there.
And.

1310
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,000
No, no, it's all good.
It happens virtually every

1311
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:40,160
podcast I'm on.
Trust me, we're all old.

1312
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,720
So technology just keeps, you
know, changing and we're not.

1313
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,160
So.
Yeah, but.

1314
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,840
But no, I appreciate it.
I always love catching up with

1315
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,080
you.
And I will get to one of the

1316
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,480
Florida shows.
I'll look at the schedule and.

1317
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,320
And I'll just shoot you an
e-mail.

1318
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,200
Yeah, shoot me an.
E-mail I'll perfect, perfect

1319
01:09:59,200 --> 01:09:59,960
man.
We'll be cool.

1320
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,480
No, I look forward to it.
All right, my friend.

1321
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,240
All right, buddy.
I'll see you soon.

1322
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:05,280
You bet.
Thanks.

1323
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,680
Cheers having me, I appreciate
it, absolutely.