#288 - Seth Jackson

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What can I say episode #288 with
Seth Jackson is in the bag and

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Seth loved the guy.
Just a super guy.

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Saw him a month ago at LDI and
love talking to him any chance I

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get.
And so if you don't know Seth,

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he's worked with tons and tons
of great artists out.

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This past couple of years with
The Doobie Brothers still does

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Barry Manilow after all of these
years.

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And just one of the nicest
people you'll ever meet.

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So I hope you enjoy episode #288
with Seth Jackson.

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And don't forget to like and
share and subscribe, please.

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And thank you.
Enjoy.

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Well, thanks again for joining
me on Geese of Gear episode #288

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We're popping again, folks, 288.
We're popping these episodes out

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and I'm really enjoying it.
We got some great guests coming.

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And actually Sarah just told me
this morning about a guest that

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is in the process of confirming
right now.

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I will tell you, we've probably
been trying to get this person

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on the podcast for five years,
you know, since the very

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beginning.
And this I can almost guarantee

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we'll immediately become by far
the largest podcast we've ever

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done.
It's a big one.

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So Sarah told me this morning
that we are in the process of

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confirming we do have a definite
yes.

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It's just a matter of working
out the timing at this point.

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So I'm really excited.
Sorry I can't tell you more, but

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I will soon.
Secondly, and very exciting, we

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have a new podcast that we're
launching, which will be coming

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in a few weeks.
The first episode will be coming

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in a few weeks.
It's called Geezers of Gear

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Future Tech, and the hosts on
this podcast, neither one will

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be myself nor Sarah.
These are new people you'll see

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and they'll be discussing new
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industry press announcements and
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So watch for that.
That's coming very soon.

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As I said, in a few weeks, I
believe at least in the

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beginning, that's going to be an
audio only podcast.

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It's going to be.
Short, it'll probably be.

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I don't know, 20-30 minutes,
maybe an hour at most, but my

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guess is it'll probably stick
around half hour.

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And it's going to be all about
new gear and new gear, new news,

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new information.
And so stick around for that

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one.
That's going to be great.

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We'll be promoting it in the
next week or two.

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And again, that's called Geezes
of Gear, Future Tech.

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So now we have 3 podcasts.
We have Geezes of Gear.

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This one, we have Geezes of
Gear, the leading ladies, which

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Sarah is the boss of, She's the
boss of me.

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And then we have future tech,
which will be starting in a few

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weeks.
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that very, very much.
Love today's guest.

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Good friend of mine.
Just saw him in Las Vegas about

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a month ago.
Seth Jackson has twice won the

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Parnelli Award for Set Design of
the Year, the Redden Award for

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Lighting Design of the Year, the
Broadway World Los Angeles for

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Lighting Design of the Year and
the Paul Waterbury Award for

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International Distinction in
Architecture in 2024.

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Seth Seth was the lighting and
production designer for The

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Doobie Brothers Tour 2024 and
the lighting designer for

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Labyrinth in Concert, as well as
production designing the final

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shows for country icon Toby
Keith Before his untimely death

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in March of 2024, Sadly on
Broadway, Seth directed and

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designed Manilow on Broadway at
the Saint James Theatre in Los

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Angeles.
He Co designed with Def Creuter

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the lighting for Harmony at the
Amundsen Amundsen Amundsen in

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Saint Louis.
He designed lighting for the

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Rep, the Muni and the New Jewish
Theater.

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He was the creative director and
production designer for two

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Selena Gomez World Tours, 25
years with Barry Manilow, and as

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associate director and
production designer for Star

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Wars in concert with industry
legend Steve Cohen.

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Seth also served for 20 years as
production designer for Toby

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Keith, 3 tours, as production
designer for Carrie Underwood,

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and lighting designs for Don
Henley, Jason Mraz, Melissa

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Etheridge, American Idols Live,
Hilary Duff, America's Got

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Talent Live and The Doobie
Brothers in Las Vegas.

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He was creative director and
production designer for Manolo

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Music.
Please.

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That's a lot.
I mean, that's a lot.

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It's a lot to say.
It's a lot to take in.

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It's a lot for him to have done.
And by the way, I don't think

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Seth is a geezer.
He says he is, but I don't think

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he is.
So please welcome my friend Seth

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Jackson back to the podcast.
Seth, hello.

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It's so darn good to see you
again, back again.

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Last time I saw you, you were
leaving the hotel, I think, to

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go to the airport in Vegas.
It's true you left the same

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morning as I, but I think a
little earlier if I.

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Remember correctly, Yeah, we
were, yeah, we were going to try

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to put something together and
it's like No, 10 year 12,

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whatever it was.
Yeah, I didn't.

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I didn't want to spend an extra
2 hours at the airport.

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God, it's such a pain in the ass
flying anymore.

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Like with or without status.
Don't understand it.

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I have everything.
Yeah I am cleared.

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I am global checked, I am pre
checked.

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I am lounged up and I still hate
it.

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Yeah, well, and I'm not some of
those things anymore, like

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lounges.
I'm realizing that, you know,

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'cause I have platinum for life
with American Airlines and I

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feel like I've got some of
those, you know, sort of carry

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on ones 'cause I don't travel as
much as I used to.

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So I'm not like, you know, these
extreme levels anymore, but I'm

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for life on a few of these
airlines and you don't get

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anything for that anymore.
Like you're going to be mega,

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super triple platinum something
or other.

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Whatever Featherstone is, that's
what you need to be.

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And even if you have the D1,
there's so many people in line

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to get in.
It's like, I want a quaint life

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of this.
It's.

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Insane.
And you know, like I used to fly

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United religiously because I had
whatever platinum or something

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on United and before that
American and Delta at one point

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because I had the black Amex and
black Amex with Delta made you a

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super famous.
And now none of it matters.

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It's just I, you know, I think
on United I used to get upgraded

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almost every flight
domestically, almost every

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single flight.
I can't even tell you the last

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time they upgraded me.
Can't even tell you I can't.

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Same with American, never.
It's stupid.

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I don't like flying anymore.
I don't like it.

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So I'm trying to catch up on
stuff that happened in Vegas

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that we talked about in Vegas
first.

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Did you see anything cool in
Vegas other than, you know, the

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geez of gear Dining with
dinosaurs event?

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Did you see anything else?
You know, I honestly didn't.

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I saw some interesting.
I saw interesting things.

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Yeah, I did think Elation kind
of reinvented the the fixture

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and then the assembly with that
Paragon thing.

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I thought Paragon is?
Cool.

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I thought that was really a very
inventive way.

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I mean, Matthias is just, his
brain blows my mind anyway.

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And anything he comes up with is
going to be like.

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He's a smart dude.
Of course you should have.

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Done it that way all these years
and.

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Now you.
Yeah, well, then I saw yesterday

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like I just saw some teaser
videos for another new line from

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Elation called Rebel series.
So I guess Rebel and the rebel

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is like sort of the down and
dirty, real tough, cheaper stuff

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and the paragon is the more high
end stuff.

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And but the rebel series stuff
looked pretty cool too, from

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what I saw.
So yeah, they're making some

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really good moves, those guys.
I I like Telation as well.

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So, but I mean, a lot of the
stuff that was excited about, I

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was excited about before I got
there.

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I already, you know, I'd already
had a great year with Clay Paki.

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So all those stuff was like,
guess there it is.

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It's great.
I love it.

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Yeah, yeah.
What are you using from them?

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The MIDI BFBIFXS, the rings, the
ones that have the rings on the

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park Cam looking things.
We did about 60 of them on The

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Doobie Brothers.
OK, it was the wash line.

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It was the only wash line and.
Is that the one that looks like

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a park in?
Yes.

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OK.
Which was the intent of the vibe

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for the show.
Yeah, that's a great idea, yeah.

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And the rings were way more than
just a gimmick.

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I, I really, when we got into
it, I was kind of like, well,

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OK, these will be cool for a
couple of things.

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But it was unbelievable.
They just, the whole rig just

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sort of was organically alive.
You know, you'd throw some video

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content through the rings and it
would just morph around and do

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things and yeah, which was great
because we were a little to no

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smoke show.
So having the rig be all alive

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and moving really kind of helped
fill up the picture.

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The band didn't like smoke or No
no no.

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Well, the wives didn't like the
smoke.

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Oh really?
Never heard that one before.

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That's an interesting spin on
things the wives didn't like.

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There was some rough days, I
think, in previous years when

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you know the wife standing on
the side of the stage to watch

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the show.
It's just.

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Blasted in the face.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
It's not good, yeah.

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So there was there was some
dance that had to be done and we

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finally settled on machines in
faraway places.

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So it was never thick, it was
just a very light.

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Thing that tour started out as
like a what, the 50th

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anniversary, right?
And then it end up like the 52nd

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or something.
Well, OK, so it was the 50th

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anniversary in 2020.
Yeah.

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Which of course it didn't happen
right then.

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It didn't happen in 21.
It finally got out in 22 and

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then it toured for 2 1/2 years
so.

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Yeah. 53rd and 1/2.
Yeah, it's 50 something.

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It's full grown, right?
The full grown tour.

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Right.
So last year they just gave up

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all that stuff and just called
it the 2024 tour.

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And yeah, that's when we redid
the the system.

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And then it'll go out again
later this year.

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They actually have a new record
coming, if you can believe that.

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First time.
I think it's the first time ever

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with Tom Johnston, the original
member of the band, and Michael

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McDonald, because they were
different eras.

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Yeah.
So they're actually together on

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this.
One and Michael toured with it.

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Yes, wow.
Yeah, that are terrific.

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That were terrific.
I really wanted to see it and it

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just never seemed to be in the
same town I was in, so yeah.

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I think that you'll have another
round this summer.

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I think they're gonna do all the
secondary stuff here, there and

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everywhere in the summertime.
They'll just go, I mean.

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I have great memories of, of The
Doobie Brothers because like

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when I was 16 years old and
thought I was a genius and quit

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school and went on the road with
a rock band.

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And I went on the road for three
or four months I think.

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And then that band broke up and
I got back home and my mom said,

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OK, well you don't want to go to
school, you better get a job.

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And so I went to work for this
company in Calgary, Canada that

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produced farm equipment and I
worked in the parts department.

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So it wasn't a very mindful job.
You didn't have to think much.

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It was like, I need 4 bolts.
Here you go.

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And but I got picked up every
morning by Julius Krolick and

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John Fenton and they were always
about 3 joints in by the time

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they picked me up in the car.
And it was just, it was like the

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Cheech and Chong thing where
they roll down the windows and

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clouds of smoke just come flying
out of the car.

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And every morning it was Doobie
brothers.

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And you know, they were The
Doobie Brothers too, you know,

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because they were just pounding
doobies all the way to work and.

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And yeah, so I have fond
memories of the doobies, so I

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don't know what's going on with
Riverside.

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Today is freaking out a little
bit.

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You froze for a second but I
never I never lost audio if

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that's any help.
Weird, weird things happened.

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Stayed.
Well, I said it lost

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communication with my camera for
some reason.

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So what else at the show?
So the Clay Paki stuff.

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Clay Paki stuff is great.
Again, stuff that I've been

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working on all year.
I was really happy to see Avo

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has the mid range size of their
of their D9 consoles.

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They got the D9 and then the 250
and others that the middle

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version that's finally coming
online.

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They've been talking about it
forever and they did it and they

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look great.
They're a mid range affordable

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size wise, price wise, all that
stuff.

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Are you using the D9?
I was pushed into it last fall.

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I did a residency in Vegas for
Erica Jane.

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It was one of the housewives of
Beverly Hills.

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She had a big A show.
It was in House of Blues at

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Mandalay Bay.
Their in house desk was AVO.

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So I was like, well, what do I
do about that?

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So I went to Gateway and Mikey
Cummings over there was like,

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well, I can teach you the AVO.
You're going to love the thing.

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You're never going to want to be
on another desk in your life.

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I'm like, all right, let's go.
And we did.

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And I agreed.
It's just, it was so much fun to

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do a different platform.
And it's intuitive and it's,

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it's an old person's desk.
It, it doesn't require a lot of

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flow charts and mathematics.
And I have to build things

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myself.
It's not MA at all.

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Yeah, still pretty easy to
learn, very easy to learn.

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And it's kind of like, well, I
want it to do this.

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Well, then tell it to do that
and it will wow.

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And that's which is great.
And so when we finished the

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Erica thing, we started talking
about doobies and it was like,

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well, you know, Gateway's got
these desks, let's let's really

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go for it.
So I jumped in.

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We did the AI servers, we did
the whole thing.

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And they behaved.
Yeah, the desks were flawless.

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The desks were flawless.
The AI took a little learning

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curve a bit.
What is that?

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What does that do?
That's.

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Their media server, OK, right.
Yeah, I've seen that before.

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You know, is it is a console
driven server.

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So it's a different brain wave,
if you will.

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It wants the desk to tell it
what to do.

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It does not want to just receive
a code to fire or a queue to

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fire.
It wants the desk to really say

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you will do this now and do this
now, which we ran into some just

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it wasn't really a problem so
much as an evolution to figure

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out how to do it to where that
the time coding that was coming

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in that that would take the
priority over the desk.

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So, you know, it was kind of
like, no matter what they do,

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the song starts, that thing
fires.

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Is that the same thing that
does?

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I remember Steve Warren demoed
something to me in Europe one

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time or in England that
everything became a pixel.

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So you could have like moving
lights, like 8 moving lights

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next to a video panel, next to 8
in spots next to 8, whatever and

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everything is just a pixel.
It's actually the reverse of

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that.
It's everything is a light is

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the way it's they determine.
They determine.

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That's the actual training thing
they use.

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This is the thing you got to get
in your brain is that

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everything's a lot.
Yeah, so video panel is a light.

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Acts like a light.
If I want to I do something on

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the screen.
I still treat it as if it's a

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lighting fixture.
So you do interesting, you do

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beam is your clips and you know,
yeah, interesting.

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Zoom is zoom and everything
again, everything is a fixture.

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So yeah, that was great for my
old.

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Old brain.
Yeah.

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Well, you know, it's, it's funny
because I still like if you

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follow any of the forums and
stuff on Facebook, which you

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know, is generally just
cancerous, you know, diatribe.

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But why?
Is this in the picture?

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Yeah.
Oh, hey, is is the LD for Barry

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Manilow out there?
Can you tell me what is the

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square fixture?
And, you know, and it's like,

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why?
What are you going to use it on?

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Nothing.
Nothing.

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I'm just sitting in my bedroom
in my underwear and wondering

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what that square light is, you
know?

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I could pass me the LD for three
weeks.

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Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, I hey, it's great to

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have those forms.
And stuff.

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Sometimes there's really great
things.

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Sometimes there is.
And and you know, I love it when

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like Bonnie all gets on there
and just does some eloquent

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three or five, you know, just it
takes minutes to read kind of

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thing where it's like that's
that's the stuff you would have

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killed for when you got started
in the game.

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Well, or Bob Harmon's been
posting his Thursday things on

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there too, you know, that are
like 12 pages long.

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Just a short one for you today.
And but that guy is a writer.

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Oh my God, Bob.
Bob missed his his calling.

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But yeah, so I saw, I see on
there occasionally that somebody

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will bring up AD 9 and it's just
kind of sloughed off as being

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the hog 5 or something.
It's like it's.

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Nobody uses that.
I think the biggest thing for

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them is for the longest time
they were just the little small

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company guys other than outside
the UK and Europe.

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But, you know, now that they're
handled through Roby, I think

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that's going to open.
Up a lot of you know their.

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Manufacturing will get faster
and better and yeah, all of that

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will.
Help.

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I'm sure it already has, like
I'm sure there's been so many

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changes from a manufacturing
standpoint already, you know,

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and the.
Midline console, you know you're

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talking 20 grands to 60 grands,
so really starts to become and

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that's.
I thought it's what they were

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aiming for.
I don't want to pee their press

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agent.
Wow, knowing what I'm.

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Talking about, I mean, if it's
anywhere near that, that's where

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it needs to be.
Like I this is one thing that

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nobody can answer for me.
Like how did consoles jump from

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20 grand to 80, like virtually
overnight?

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When and how did that happen?
I missed that memo.

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You know, like, OK, yes, it's a
lot more advanced and it does a

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lot more stuff, and it's
probably much more expensive to

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support.
And, you know, software updates

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are free and they're very hard
to do and cost a lot of money.

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Yeah, but still you are paying
for the free visualizers and

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stuff that they put out on the
website.

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Yeah.
Still a lot of dough.

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It's a lot of dough for us.
It's a huge lay down.

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Yeah, them and them in the audio
console guys seem to be fighting

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over who has the most expensive
control setup, you know, and

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it's it's close now.
It's getting closer anyways,

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although you know, every time
Digico comes out with the new

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Quantum, yes or whatever, it's
like, you know, $175,000 or

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something.
But so yeah, I, I took a good

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look at those consoles as well.
I didn't, I never did go into

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the, the secret room.
And I'm sure you can't tell me

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what was in there because I
think everyone had to sign

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NDA's, but supposedly there was
something in the secret room

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there.
Speaking of secret rooms, did

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you go in the Verilite 1?
I did.

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I did.
Any thoughts you'd care to

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share?
I like the idea.

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I like where they're going.
I think there's real potential

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there.
To me, it felt like you remember

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years ago when they did the the
icon M Yeah, it felt like that.

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It's like the idea is so good
and the direction is so right,

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but it's.
Just not have you listened to my

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podcast or something?
Because that's pretty much the

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exact same thing I said.
Like it's.

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I always listen to your podcast.
You can see it's the journey,

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not the destination.
Exactly.

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It's an incredible step in the
right direction.

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Is it a gotta need, gotta have,
need it right now kind of thing?

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No.
No, but I get the, you know, the

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need to get it in front of
people and then you need

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somebody with some capital to
put it in so they can figure out

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the real world.
Stuff on it, yeah.

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That's what you got to do this,
but that I thought it was a

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smart move to put it in a
backroom.

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Yeah.
Just so that it's not.

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Like a demo, though I got to be
honest, I didn't like the demo.

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I didn't.
I didn't like the narration.

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I just didn't like the demo.
The demo to me was just kind of

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goofy, but I definitely saw a
huge amount of promise.

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It's something that needed to be
done.

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You know, it's, it's exciting.
I mean, it's gonna be exciting

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to see where we go.
I'm, I'm excited to see what

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happens with technology going
forward, especially once you

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unleash AI on, on these fixtures
and consoles.

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And, and that's what that's
gonna look like.

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That's what's gonna make that so
manageable is when you combine

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the AI technology and the it's
going to get crazy.

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But we're moving so slow on
that.

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And I don't know if that's
because everyone's scared, you

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know, like MA is scared to put
any kind of AI into the console

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because people will, people will
say we're not using this

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anymore.
We're going to start, you know,

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banning this from our shows and
stuff, which I get it, I

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understand that sentiment
completely, but it's common.

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It is, it is.
It's just, and the the

450
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:39,000
technology is getting so
complicated that you just can't

451
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,200
programming is not going to be
what programming is.

452
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,960
Or was it just they're putting
so much into the fixtures and

453
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,760
the control levels of the video
content, not, you know, it's

454
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,720
going to require help.
Yeah, Yeah.

455
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Well, and that was one of my
predictions and it's, it's a

456
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,600
fairly well fed prediction.
I've talked to lots of

457
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,320
engineers, but I think we're
going to see AI and fixtures

458
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:07,160
probably brought on board a lot
faster than in the consoles.

459
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,000
Consoles.
I think we're going to see some

460
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,760
of the stuff where you don't
need a programmer standing next

461
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,200
to you all the time and you can
just talk to the console and

462
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,040
say, you know, remember that
look we did on you know, so and

463
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,360
so last year?
Let's have that look, but in in

464
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,320
blue instead of red or whatever.
And the console will do that,

465
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,280
you know, And so that's where I
think we're going to see a lot

466
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,160
of the earliest AI in consoles
is just some of that voice to

467
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,120
voice to, to get it done kind of
thing, right.

468
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,920
And the interesting you said
about putting the stuff in the

469
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,760
into the fixtures themselves,
that's kind of interesting, you

470
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,320
know, because that's sort of
like the rollback to the olden

471
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,640
days, you know, in verilite, the
brain was in the fixture and the

472
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,120
Casa just said, hey, do that.
And then the light knew how to

473
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,040
do that.
Yeah.

474
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,400
I think lights are going to
become completely 100% console

475
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,880
agnostic.
Consoles are basically going to

476
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080
say go to the light and the
lights going to do some stuff.

477
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,440
And I think a lot of the macros
will be built into the lights

478
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,320
instead of the console.
And you know, I just, I, I see a

479
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,160
lot of the brains moving into
the lights.

480
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,400
That's, that's just what I see
happening.

481
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,600
I could be wrong.
I've been wrong so many

482
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,760
thousands of times.
Well, that's what we need, isn't

483
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,320
it?
We need to get there.

484
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,400
Anything else that you saw that
was cool?

485
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,880
Let me see.
What about the big huge DLP

486
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,400
thing?
I'm sure you've got a stadium

487
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,800
show for for Manilow.
Manilow's going to need a

488
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840
hundred of those on a stadium
show somewhere.

489
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,880
Yeah, don't believe that would
be the case, but we if Toby was

490
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320
still with us, I guarantee you
we would have found a place.

491
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,280
For him that.
'D be amazing because I remember

492
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,040
we used to be in the heyday when
Ford was paying all the bills.

493
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440
We were so sinker, light heavy.
It was like, how many can we

494
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,440
have till we run out of power?
That was.

495
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Yeah, I saw that.
That's the first thing I thought

496
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,280
I was like, oh man, is this
Toby?

497
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,120
We're still around.
That's what we'd be looking to

498
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,400
do.
Toby was kind of, you know, that

499
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,480
on that George Strait path, you
know, like absolutely bigger,

500
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,920
bigger, bigger, bigger, more,
you know, and he had to you.

501
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,680
Know he had the catalog to back
it up and he had the live show

502
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720
to back it up and yeah, nobody
went away disappointed from a

503
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,560
Toby.
Show.

504
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,560
I'm sure that's an artist you
miss a whole lot.

505
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,720
Dude, I miss the organization,
too.

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,880
Yeah, those were just some of
the most enjoyable people to be

507
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,400
around.
I look forward to that every

508
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:32,960
year.
I always joke.

509
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Just like I'm going to summer
camp for two weeks.

510
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,480
Yeah, to put that thing
together.

511
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,920
Well, I think I recall during
Covidity.

512
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,080
Yeah, I think I recall during
COVID.

513
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,600
You telling me that they kept
you on payroll or something too?

514
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,520
They kept all the band and the
key crew guys on payroll and

515
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,400
benefits because they're all
salaried people with benefits

516
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,920
and all that.
So you kept them on through

517
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,200
through that and through his
cancer, right?

518
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,720
For us, when Nate and I were
doing that show, we were right

519
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,080
in the middle of getting over
the hump of the approved design

520
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,760
and to help us out to help the
scenery companies out to help

521
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,400
her.
They're like, you do as much as

522
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,680
you can as far as you can, and
we'll pay you until we get to

523
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,400
that point where the next step
would be rehearsals and then we

524
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,880
have to stop.
Wow.

525
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Yeah, It's a great organization.
When was your last show with

526
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,840
Toby?
It was December of last year,

527
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,440
2023.
Wow, it's been that recent.

528
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,280
Yeah, he died in March of 24.
Yeah, February, March.

529
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Can't remember.
What a drag.

530
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,640
So we did those last three in
Vegas and I, it was a very

531
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560
strange thing because we thought
that they were gearing up for

532
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,080
his big return, that they were
looking at a Vegas residency

533
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,960
because they kept saying, you
know, we're going to do this.

534
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880
What, whatever we need to do,
let's do it.

535
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,920
And so we've spent an awful lot
of money for three shows.

536
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,840
Looking back now, I don't think
anybody else knew, but I think

537
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,920
he knew.
And it was like, I'm going out,

538
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,240
I'm going to go out.
That makes sense.

539
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Yeah, it was *.
Studded to early 50s.

540
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,000
He was 60s I'm 63.
I didn't realize he was that

541
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,200
old.
I thought he was 50s.

542
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,720
I think I could be totally wrong
on that.

543
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Yeah, yeah, that's a bummer.
What about have you used Mac

544
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,520
ones yet?
And I talk about these way too

545
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,920
often, but I just love that
thing.

546
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,280
And I finally saw it in real
life and I love it even more.

547
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,120
No, I am.
When I got to pick it up and

548
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,240
stuff like it weighs nothing.
It's just such a cool light.

549
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,680
I like things that weigh
nothing.

550
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,280
It weighs like, I don't know, 9
lbs or something like that.

551
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
I mean, literally you can pick
it up with one hand.

552
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,400
It's it's cheap.
Like I think the dealer on them

553
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,160
is like 1400 bucks or something.
Oh, it is.

554
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,520
And they've got all kinds of
really cool accessories and

555
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,760
stuff.
I like that fixture.

556
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,640
What else did I like?
What about the Acme stand was

557
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
interesting?
They've got some interesting

558
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640
stuff.
I learned a little bit about it

559
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,680
when I had Mark Brickman on and
Acme was actually a sponsor of

560
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680
that podcast and we talked a bit
about their fixtures and stuff.

561
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, some of the Chinese

562
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,960
booths looked really good
companies that I had never heard

563
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,040
of before.
And I'm going, whoa, that stuff

564
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,760
looks.
Pretty nice, as cheesy as they

565
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,800
have in the.
Past, that's true.

566
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
No, they used to just be sticks
of trust and a bunch of Asian

567
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,320
people sitting there trying to
take orders.

568
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Right now they're like all
dressed up with nice logo shirts

569
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,160
and very professional looking
booths that they're hiring

570
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,200
designers to do their booths and
stuff.

571
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,400
So yeah, they've stepped up
their game a bit.

572
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Some of those brands, well, you
know, it's funny, I was talking

573
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,280
to a friend of mine the other
day about this and you know, the

574
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,600
whole direct to consumer model
from China right now is becoming

575
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,440
quite a problem, especially for
any of the call it Chinese

576
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,560
brands.
You know, the Chauvets and even

577
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:58,760
elation and stuff because these
guys are literally just selling

578
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,400
at lowball prices directly to
anyone and user rental company

579
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,960
whatever through Amazon and or
Facebook marketplace.

580
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Even, you know, directly on
Facebook marketplace and you

581
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,480
know, this stuff, you got to get
a lot of spares.

582
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,960
But otherwise it looks pretty
good.

583
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,120
Like you can get a fixture that
probably looks as good as that

584
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,040
clay packy fixture that you used
and looks just like it, I'm

585
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,680
sure, and costs about, you know,
1/5 of the price, maybe even

586
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,240
less.
And so you just get, you know,

587
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,120
50% more fixtures so that you've
got lots of spares, that's all.

588
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,880
And and when don't try.
To fix it, just throw it away.

589
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Don't fix it.
Yeah, just walk them out to the

590
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,680
dumpster and maybe there's a
recycling bin so you can at

591
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,240
least be responsible, you know?
But yeah, so I don't know who

592
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,640
knows what that the future of
that side of the business, the

593
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,000
lower end stuff, I don't know.
It's it looks like it's going to

594
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,760
be a bit of a shit fight for a
while now.

595
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000
So yeah.
Have you done any touring stuff

596
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,200
at all this year or just other
things?

597
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,120
No.
Well, OK, so I did.

598
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,720
The big thing was The Doobie
Brothers.

599
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,040
That was pretty much an all year
affair.

600
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:16,880
Yeah, I did one small project
for it's Labyrinth, the David

601
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Bowie movie from the 80s, right.
So they did a live band version

602
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,320
of that where the film is on
above you on the screen.

603
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,120
That's interesting.
The.

604
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,800
Band plays to the belly vocals
and the whole bit.

605
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,320
And the band's just a cover
band, like Yeah of session

606
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,920
musicians that they threw
together.

607
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,600
Nine session guys and they all,
it's a very small show.

608
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,200
It's kind of fun.
I had 11 fixtures plus some,

609
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,000
plus some house stuff that you
advance.

610
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,680
But there were 11 lights and
there was one bus and one big

611
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,640
trailer and all.
It toured.

612
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,200
It toured what?
Movie theaters?

613
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,320
Yeah.
No, it played like small

614
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,560
theaters.
It's still going.

615
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,920
It's gonna go all through the
spring and try to go in and

616
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,120
dress it up a little bit in the
spring and bring it up just a

617
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,360
touch.
But it was really fun to go back

618
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,200
and say, all right, there's 11,
make it work, so it's 11

619
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
fixtures.
It's the whole movie and just

620
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,680
the concert parts of the movie.
They the band.

621
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Plays, they said the whole thing
with, you know, they're playing

622
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
live the whole time underneath
it and.

623
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,880
That's really interesting.
And the fans of that film are,

624
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,320
they're quite devoted.
Yeah, rabid.

625
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,880
They show up in costume and oh,
really?

626
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,880
Oh, they had a ball.
They all have a ball.

627
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,200
They.
Sort of like Rocky Horror.

628
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,440
Pictures a little bit like that.
They don't throw things at the

629
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,280
screen, but yeah, you know,
there isn't.

630
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,320
There's a.
It's funny because the first

631
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
time you hear Bowie's vocal and
see him on screen, there's just

632
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,160
gasped through the room.
Yeah, the Bowie eyes are just

633
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,720
like.
I remember when I was when I was

634
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,280
like a teenager and I think the
first time I ever did mushrooms

635
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,280
or something.
I think I I went to a double

636
00:33:52,680 --> 00:34:00,120
thing it was I think it was
Woodstock 1st and Rocky Horror

637
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Picture Show 2nd and Woodstock
started at like 10 and Rocky

638
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Horror at midnight.
That's a good time.

639
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,639
It was just like, yeah, I was
like, what the.

640
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,520
And I had never seen Rocky
Horror before, you know, And I

641
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,199
was on mushrooms and just go,
what is happening right now?

642
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,320
Like, who are these people?
What's wrong with them?

643
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,199
So yeah, it was pretty weird.
If you really pay attention,

644
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,000
this movie is not very.
Good.

645
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,600
It's terrible What is happening.
What's it about?

646
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,040
I don't know.
Yeah, there were a lot of movies

647
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,760
like that back in those days,
You know, have you ever noticed,

648
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,280
like half the shows and movies
from then you couldn't do today,

649
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,040
like.
Oh no.

650
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,360
I used to be a huge Archie
Bunker All in the Family fan and

651
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520
I see clips of it now like
you'll see clips on Instagram

652
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,440
or.
Facebook or whatever.

653
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,320
I'm thinking, Oh my God, if
people saw this now, they'd lose

654
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120
their minds.
How did you get that done?

655
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,120
Yeah, it's, it's pretty wild.
So you did that and then you

656
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,200
were telling me earlier that
you're doing something else now

657
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,840
you've kind of ventured out
into.

658
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Something well, OK, so the the
long story of it is in the last

659
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,760
year, first of this year it's
like I'm getting really bored

660
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,440
yeah yeah, you know, cuz you
know I love what Brickman's

661
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,200
doing.
I love a lot of the stuff I see

662
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,800
sooner and her team doing a
playground and there's all these

663
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,360
like OK, so that's very cool and
inventive but there's a real

664
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,320
tendency out there at least for
the clients that I get anyway.

665
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,720
They want the TV tour, the
screen in the back and we're all

666
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,360
we're going to do is worry about
video content and that's where

667
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,680
it'll be.
Yeah.

668
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,120
And I just after four or five of
those, I'm like, OK.

669
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,840
It's a little cookie cutter,
huh?

670
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,440
It's a lot cookie cutter.
Yeah.

671
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,000
And so that's when I started
doing things like, well, all

672
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,760
right, I'll do new fixtures,
I'll change consoles.

673
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,480
I'll do any of these things to
try to amp it up.

674
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,400
Yeah, I remember.
Completely get that.

675
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480
You know, there was a client
that Nate and I had a couple of

676
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,800
years ago and they were just
kind of breaking out and

677
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,880
breaking through.
And they're like, OK, well,

678
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,200
we're going to play this little
tour of small arenas.

679
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,760
I thought, oh, well, this could
be fun.

680
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,440
You know, 6000 seat arenas.
It's still an arena shape.

681
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,400
How can we do that?
Came up with this crazy ideas

682
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,480
like, well, let's make it like
they were going to sell the room

683
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,760
out.
So it's like, let's make it like

684
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Minnie Springsteen.
Let's open it up in the back.

685
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,560
Let's, you know, really make it
about the crowd.

686
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Let's let's not even do a stage.
Let's do a series of connected

687
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,160
things.
And.

688
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:30,120
Yeah, no, we really want a
screen back there and then we

689
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,240
want a bigger screen.
Well, then really we wanna just

690
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,920
do a lot of video content.
Jesus.

691
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,400
OK, yeah, yeah.
So I'm so sick of the big video

692
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,800
screen behind the band.
Yeah, so.

693
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
And it's like, sorry, Frank
Montero, but I'm tired of it.

694
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,560
I'm tired, tired, tired, tired.
But yes, I didn't have a whole

695
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,800
lot going on.
I was like, you know, cuz

696
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,840
Manilow is now basically Nate
Alf's show.

697
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,880
I mean, he's been doing it for
so many years now.

698
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Yeah, it's all his baby.
You know, I, I go out and say

699
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,000
hello to people, you know, twice
a year and just basically hi,

700
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,640
looks great, but.
Is he still at what, the

701
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,840
Westgate or something?
Yeah, for life.

702
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,080
Really.
For life.

703
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,200
For life.
You told me that last time.

704
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,200
I remember that.
Yeah.

705
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Trying.
To deal for life.

706
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,560
So that's crazy.
That's hilarious.

707
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,080
So, you know, it's just kind of
way it began.

708
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,880
You know, it's like Nate and I
used, we're doing a lot of stuff

709
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,680
together, but then, you know, he
started doing a lot of stuff

710
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,080
with clear all visuals and and
Sooner's bunch, and then he was

711
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,360
doing Manolo all the time.
And so.

712
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,760
And then I was sort of like, OK,
Doobie Brothers, that's fine.

713
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,160
But again, it's a screen with
lights around it.

714
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,240
Yeah.
Like what else could I get into?

715
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,600
Nothing challenging you much,
no, Yeah.

716
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,320
So, you know, I'd always been
fascinated with, with home

717
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,240
building and land and developing
land.

718
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,760
I always wanted to do that.
I was like, I, you know, my, the

719
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,560
entrepreneur brain kicks in and
it's like, yeah, well, I want to

720
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,040
build my own house.
Well, that's silly.

721
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,280
You should build a neighborhood
so that pays for your house.

722
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,200
That's that's my thing.
Jesus, there you go.

723
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,800
So you know, I've been hunting
for land and looking at ideas

724
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,800
and stuff.
Where?

725
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,040
In and around Saint Louis, out
there, in and around the suburbs

726
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,800
and out in the country.
I love one plan I've got right

727
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,880
now on the table.
But, you know, the financing

728
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,360
thing still a ways off is just
like there's a big hunk of land

729
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,680
that would be a great golf
course.

730
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Yeah, yeah, that'd be nice.
So anyway, so I thought, well,

731
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,880
all right, I need to learn how
to draw in that vein.

732
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,600
It's like I'm not going to be an
architect.

733
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,160
An architect's still going to
have to do the, you know, the

734
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,720
feasibilities and the weights
and the measures and the stamp

735
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,440
and the legal, but I could do
the house.

736
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520
So I went and took a training
course for about four months to

737
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,920
learn Revit to, you know, the
architectural side of, of life.

738
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,920
And I just got into it.
It's like, this is fun.

739
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,040
So that's what I started doing.
And then, you know, now it's

740
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,840
like, OK, well, now I know how
to do this business model.

741
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,360
It's like, and if we get the
land, have the land to sell with

742
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,080
the home, offer somebody you
know, that's not going to build

743
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,520
a 5000 square foot custom home,
but doesn't want to buy in a

744
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680
subdivision and just a cookie
cutter.

745
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,400
So it's like there's a there's a
wedge there where you can say,

746
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,880
hey, we will give you all the
custom freedom, but you're not

747
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,320
going to have to do some
monstrosity thing that prices

748
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,560
out most people.
So that's that's the developing

749
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,160
thing right now.
So is it a hobby still or is it,

750
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,320
have you got a customer yet?
I'd say we're transitioning over

751
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
right now.
Yeah, almost got the land deal

752
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,960
done.
It's really, really house.

753
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,800
So once I have that.
And how big?

754
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,280
Like how many houses?
What's your?

755
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,200
First one.
This first one is only 7, the

756
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,360
first one.
Most people build like a barn

757
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,240
Outback or something First the.
First one would be it would be 7

758
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,080
homes of course.
Wild.

759
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,920
I won't be doing it by myself.
Obvious.

760
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,920
And it's seven homes that are
like, what, a couple 1000 square

761
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,640
feet or bigger?
Yeah, anywhere from 15 to 2528.

762
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,520
Oh, that's.
Cool, that's perfect.

763
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,240
Like single family.
Single family, single St.

764
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,720
Yeah.
And you know, I just got back to

765
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,320
the approval from the county for
the layout.

766
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,120
And so now cuz I, you know,
again, I'm just doing all these

767
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
basic things.
Now it goes to the actual

768
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,120
surveyor who'll go, OK, I see
what you're up to do and I can

769
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,360
do that.
It's all pieces and parts

770
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,680
politics.
It's really not that much diff.

771
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,160
Yes.
Do you got to deal with manager?

772
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Plan.
Do you start with a site plan

773
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,720
1st and then you do housing
models?

774
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,960
Like you come up with three
models or something and you can

775
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,160
choose from these three.
That's kind of the idea.

776
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,400
There's about 5 different
options that we'll start with.

777
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,600
So there's, you know, there's a
split level, not split level,

778
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,280
but there's a walk out, there's
a there's a ranch, there's a

779
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,280
two-story, there's kind of a
more mountain cottagey thing.

780
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Yeah, kind of on the steeper
lots.

781
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,040
You can stick in there without a
backyard and just let it hang

782
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,400
out over, right.
Yeah.

783
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,480
So from there, then somebody
could go and say, all right,

784
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,640
well, I love this, but could the
bedroom be over there?

785
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,640
Or yeah, so and then is there
like an A&B elevation too, like

786
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,640
if you want to, yeah.
Interesting.

787
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,840
All customize all that stuff.
So it's great.

788
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,040
I got a terrific builder guy and
I've got the, you know, the

789
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,320
surveyor person that I got in
contact with a few years ago

790
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,680
when I was doing my own house.
And so it's it's kind of we're

791
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,720
getting really close.
That's really, really cool.

792
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,360
It does allow the creative
juices to to flow.

793
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120
I'll still find myself at some
point in the middle of it going

794
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,080
would that'd make a great stage.
So I'll jump over and like,

795
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,920
stick it in a folder or you'll.
Put an Amphitheatre in the

796
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,720
middle of a development of seven
houses, you know.

797
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,120
Sure, we'll sell it out.
It's only 12 seats.

798
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040
I can get a truck in there.
Yeah, it's. 12 seats, we could

799
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640
sell it out.
So, but it was, it was a lot of

800
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,280
fun because it's not that
different.

801
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,440
It's the same procedure.
You're still designing a space,

802
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,120
you're still figuring out angles
and where light comes from.

803
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,520
Yeah, it's all the same stuff,
but it's just a different

804
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,560
application.
Yeah.

805
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Which is great because it kind
of just reinvigorates the whole

806
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,320
thing.
That's that's really exciting.

807
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,600
Well, and I mean potentially,
you know, you can earn well on

808
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,800
that.
Too.

809
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,440
So I'm kind of, you know, Steve
Cohen says that we're both

810
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,160
starting our second acts cuz
he's getting into a whole lot of

811
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,120
producing now.
Yeah, yeah, other.

812
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Than other than Billy, of
course, he's everything.

813
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,640
But you know, outside of that,
he's doing a lot of television

814
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,760
producing.
He's like, it's our second act.

815
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,680
We've all done the touring for
so long.

816
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,800
We've all been frustrated at all
the things other people do, so

817
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,600
now we'll do it ourselves.
Yeah.

818
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,520
So, yeah, yeah, no, that's
great.

819
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,800
That's, that's fantastic.
I'm actually, I'm leaving in a

820
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,080
couple of hours here to go to
the other coast of Florida.

821
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,680
One of my really good friends
from Canada, He now lives in

822
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,320
Vancouver, but he built my house
in the Banff area and but I'm

823
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,280
going to spend the next 5 days
with him and his wife.

824
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,320
And I should throw him on the
phone with you at some point

825
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,480
because he's done exactly what
you're doing.

826
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:01,240
He built the development that
I'm in up there and lately he

827
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,800
just retired last year.
But lately what he's been doing

828
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,040
is, is just spec homes or
building for really rich

829
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,160
clients.
So a client will come to him and

830
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,320
say, Hey, I just bought this
$5,000,000 piece of land.

831
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,600
I want you to build a, a 8000
square foot Mountain Home on it.

832
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,400
And he'll build that, that house
for them to their spec.

833
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,280
Well, he'll, he'll spec it out.
He'll basically sit with the

834
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,040
client, say, do you want a
closet here?

835
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Do you want a closet here?
So, you know, and then he'll

836
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,640
hire the architect to get it
drawn properly and stuff.

837
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,920
But but yeah, I mean, if that
would be helpful to you, I'll

838
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,360
throw you on the phone with him.
He's, he's a really, really good

839
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,400
dude and might just save you,
you know, a heartache.

840
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,440
At some point, a headache, yeah.
Who knows, You know, I, I know

841
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,400
that when they built our house,
it was funny because I bought, I

842
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,600
bought before they owned the
land and, and so it was a little

843
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,880
bit speculative on my side and
it worked out OK.

844
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,920
It worked out very well
actually.

845
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,040
But it was pretty hectic for
them, you know, because they

846
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,960
were selling houses and they
hadn't completed the land deal

847
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,480
yet and the power lines were
still above ground on the land

848
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,520
where they were going to be
building houses and all this

849
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,080
stuff.
But it worked out.

850
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,920
I mean, I, I literally probably
have one of the best views in

851
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,440
the entire valley that we live
in of just mountains on every

852
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,080
side of me.
It's stunning.

853
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,120
The photos are always very
jealousy enticing.

854
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,840
Yeah, I see one of those like,
OK.

855
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,160
Welcome.
Visit one day when you're bored

856
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,120
in the summer and you need a
weekend away.

857
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Just ring me up and say I'm on
my way.

858
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Pick me up at the airport and I
will.

859
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,400
I need 70° not 95.
Yeah.

860
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,680
Yeah, Loader.
Loader came and visited me for a

861
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,280
few days last summer and went
and played the no, he didn't

862
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,520
play the famous golf course, the
Banff Springs.

863
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,320
He played the one that I live
right next to, which is called

864
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Stewart Creek, which is a
beautiful, beautiful golf course

865
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,480
and had a pretty good time.
So yeah, it was fun.

866
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,560
So that's that's exciting.
So is that going to completely

867
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,240
take over?
Are you still going to, you

868
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,760
know, do some shows?
I think the best part of it is,

869
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,720
is that will become how I make
my living.

870
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,360
But there's no way I would ever
really just stop doing what I've

871
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,920
done for 35 years, you know?
Living here too, though, I have

872
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,520
done it right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've.

873
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Kind of made.
It's like one of those things

874
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,880
we're to say.
You know, I'm looking to move

875
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,160
down to the other side, you
know, what is it?

876
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,720
Robert Kiyosaki has his little
circle.

877
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,720
And it's like the top people are
employees and self, you know?

878
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Yeah, entrepreneurs.
And the bottom people are

879
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,320
investors and businessmen.
And those people don't sell

880
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,200
their hours in the day.
To make money.

881
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,000
That's yeah, yeah.
It's the midlife.

882
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,760
Crisis yeah, it's like OK I.
Got about 30 good years left.

883
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Let's.
What else can we do?

884
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,600
You know, I kind of done all
this.

885
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,440
Yeah.
You know my thing right now.

886
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,480
It's making me crazy.
Like I went through it this

887
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,400
morning.
I actually woke up at 4:00 this

888
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,320
morning with crazy ideas in my
head.

889
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,120
And so I got up and my
developer, this is dangerous.

890
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,160
By the way, the the guy who does
all the development for Gear

891
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,520
Source is an Australian guy and
he's based in Vietnam.

892
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,680
The guy who owns the company and
he's got 70 coders over there.

893
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,240
So him and I'll come up with
some crazy idea and he'll be

894
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,680
like, let me go get with the the
guys and he'll go and pull a

895
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,120
group of five or six coders
together and say here's what we

896
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,560
want to build.
And so anyways, him and I'll

897
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,760
come up with these crazy
brainstorms and because he's 13

898
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,760
hours ahead of me, you know,
four or five in the morning is

899
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,760
perfect for him.
He's just getting ready to have

900
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,920
dinner.
And and so we did that for like

901
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,560
2 hours this morning and I get
into this and I'm like.

902
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,640
I got so much stuff to.
Do I can't get old like I just

903
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,200
can't.
My brain needs to keep sharp and

904
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,440
I got so true.
I'm I'm more excited about

905
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,640
business and the future and just
technology and stuff right now

906
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,160
than I've ever been.
And you know, it's like me and

907
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,720
Bonnie all talked about this on
a podcast recently because he's

908
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:10,440
very up on AI and so many people
are so nervous and afraid.

909
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,400
I ever really understood it was
when listen to him.

910
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Do that all because he had to
dumb it down for me.

911
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Well, I was the same way.
I was like.

912
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,600
Oh yeah, I get it.
Yeah, yeah, he had to dumb it

913
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,800
down for.
Me yeah, he talks at a different

914
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,240
level he's a coder kind of brain
and I'm I'm an entrepreneur kind

915
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,520
of brain.
So I just need to know what will

916
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,040
it do for me and how will it do
it and how easy is it for me to

917
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,200
work and that kind of stuff.
But I mean, we came up with some

918
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,040
wild ones this morning and you
know another thing I, I

919
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,960
announced it at the front end of
the show, but we're launching

920
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,520
another podcast and you know,
it's it's called future tech

921
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Gears of gear, future tech.
And all it is really is it's,

922
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,120
it's all the new stuff coming
out and instead of reading about

923
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,480
it in PLSN or in, you know, live
design or whatever, it's a

924
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,600
podcast.
But here's all the new great

925
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,720
stuff that's coming out and
it'll be 20-30 minutes once a

926
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,600
week or once every couple weeks,
depending on how much how many

927
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,720
press releases and product
announcements and stuff come in.

928
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,840
But it's completely created by
AI completely, 100% created by

929
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,680
AI.
Oh my goodness.

930
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,880
And I've been working on this
for.

931
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,880
About.
I don't know, three or four

932
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,880
months and it's going to launch
in the next two or three weeks.

933
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,960
And at least initially it's 100%
free.

934
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,760
So the, our sponsors anyways,
who are already sponsoring the

935
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,880
podcast will get all of their
press releases done and their

936
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,680
product announcements and
everything.

937
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,000
And, you know, people instead of
having to read a magazine or

938
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,240
whatever, will be able to listen
to it in their car on the way

939
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:49,520
to, you know, wherever.
So.

940
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,680
So anyways, yeah, I'm really
into the tech.

941
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,600
I love it.
It's, it's cool.

942
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,880
I love where it's going right
now.

943
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,800
So yeah, it's amazing.
It's amazing, Yeah.

944
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,560
What else?
What else is news?

945
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,440
Something something it.
Was your birthday in?

946
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,360
Vegas, I felt so bad because I
didn't know.

947
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Because most people's birthdays,
I admit it.

948
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,640
Most people don't admit it, but
I admit it.

949
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,960
I learn about them on Facebook.
You know, it's not like I just

950
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,080
went, oh, Seth, it's your
birthday today.

951
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,040
I just remembered you're, you
know, December something, right?

952
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,840
Yeah.
That's you.

953
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,480
No, I don't think like that.
I'm not some kind of savant or

954
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,080
something that knows everyone's
birthdays.

955
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,960
But but I wasn't on Facebook.
I was busy at LDI, you know I

956
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,600
got to.
Have dinosaurs that day.

957
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,920
So you did have dinosaurs that
day.

958
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,880
And but yeah, I just, that was
an amazing thing.

959
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,960
It was a great start.
And we're going to actually have

960
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,040
a follow up meeting here soon to
kind of debrief.

961
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,440
And we've got a lot of ideas.
You know, Jake Berry was very

962
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,520
vocal about some things.
He wanted to change a few

963
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,720
people, a few people.
Had some good.

964
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,160
Ideas and Jake was actually one
of them.

965
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,280
But I think what everybody,
everybody got their eyes open

966
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,960
this big to like, whoa, people
are actually interested in what

967
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,240
I got to say.
Like this is really cool.

968
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,240
And the people on the other end
have like still like yesterday I

969
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,480
got somebody sent me a big long
thank you e-mail for introducing

970
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,600
them to these people in that
room and stop.

971
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,720
And so next year, we're typical
of me.

972
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,520
We're going to go much bigger
and, you know, we're going to go

973
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,040
for a much larger audience.
And we're probably going to

974
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,560
start with a panel and then move
to a round table kind of thing.

975
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,480
And so, yeah, we're going to
we're going to come up with, you

976
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,080
know, some more ideas for next
time.

977
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,320
And the thing about a panel is
you get, everybody gets to bust

978
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,040
each other's balls on a panel.
You don't get to do that at

979
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,760
these round tables.
And it's a good way to get

980
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,720
conversations going, You know
where.

981
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,000
Hey, Cosmo, didn't you do that
thing that one time?

982
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,840
Oh, get out of it.
You know?

983
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,120
So, yeah.
But it's fun.

984
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,200
And I'm glad you were there.
It was nice to have you there,

985
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,080
even though I still don't think
you're much of A geezer.

986
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,080
I think you're too young to be
in that room.

987
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,600
The thing about that, that was
really.

988
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,280
Cool to me personally was that,
you know, those guys in those

989
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,000
rooms, you know, I'm not their
age for the most part, you know,

990
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,560
but those are all the people
that I guess really wrote

991
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,400
letters back then in college to
said I want to be you, I want to

992
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,360
do this or I poured over those
lighting dimensions magazines to

993
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,800
be.
And then you know.

994
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,400
Years later to somehow sort of
enter their orbit

995
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,200
professionally, that's just
ridiculous to me That that, you

996
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,280
know, Jeff Rabbits and I have
actually worked together, that

997
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,800
Cohen and I work together, that
Peter Morris and I have done

998
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,440
things.
Yeah, it's the craziest.

999
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Thing in the world for me
because.

1000
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,080
That was the generation that I
was watching when I wanted to

1001
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,840
get started, so it did meant the
world to me.

1002
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,520
I like this is the coolest thing
ever.

1003
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,800
How did I get to do this?
Well, it's the same as like in

1004
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,720
sports.
Especially hockey, because

1005
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,200
hockey, you have such long
careers.

1006
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,240
Soccer too, I guess.
But in hockey you see these 19

1007
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,320
year old hockey players signed
to these NHL teams and they come

1008
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,000
on and they're playing with, you
know, Alexander Ovechkin or, or,

1009
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,720
you know, Jeremy Jager or some
of these guys who are in their

1010
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,960
40s or late 30s or whatever.
And these kids grew up, you

1011
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,000
know, watching them, 6-7 years
old.

1012
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Watching those.
Guys play in the NHL and they

1013
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,680
still happen to be playing in
the NHL and now they're on the

1014
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,320
same team with them and they're
just like, inch me, I'm playing

1015
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,200
with Jeremy Jager.
Wow.

1016
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,920
You know, so same kind of thing,
same kind of things.

1017
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,240
Just crazy.
You know, I know when I first

1018
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:46,840
came into the industry too, same
thing.

1019
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,320
Like, you know, to be in that
room and have Alan Branton there

1020
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,320
and, and you know, you and, and
Jake and all these people, like

1021
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,080
when I first came into the
industry 19, well, I mean really

1022
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,000
in 1991, but I was in it a
little before that.

1023
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,480
But you know, those guys were
studs back then.

1024
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,880
You know, they were already
studs and big names and stuff,

1025
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,960
right?
So for for me to be sitting

1026
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,560
there at this stage in that room
with those people, it's amazing.

1027
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,520
You know, I love sharing stories
with them.

1028
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,120
I wonder though.
The next iteration of this

1029
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,400
industry, I don't know if
there's going to be those kind

1030
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,280
of superstars.
Me neither, I don't.

1031
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Think there will be You know I
can remember one of my first.

1032
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,080
LD is, you know, I mean, if
Ravis was in the room going to a

1033
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,600
booth, there was a posse with
him and people were just like,

1034
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,400
what's he up to?
What's he going to like?

1035
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,880
But there was also two
magazines, you know, there was

1036
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,840
also arguably, what, two dozen
concert designers, and five of

1037
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,240
them had most of the jobs.
Now they're everywhere and

1038
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,840
everybody's got big rigs and
everybody's learning to program

1039
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,040
themselves at 12 years old.
So yeah, it's going to look a

1040
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,640
lot different.
I don't know if I agree with

1041
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,120
you.
I mean, it already does.

1042
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,000
I don't.
We're not have to.

1043
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,040
You're not inventing a business
anymore.

1044
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,280
Yeah.
You know, it's established.

1045
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,720
Very much so.
Yeah.

1046
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,840
No.
But back then, like you said,

1047
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,760
you knew who the guys were or
girls.

1048
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,840
You knew even the product, like
they were going to use one of 10

1049
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,320
things, you know?
Yeah.

1050
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:24,120
Yeah.
These few things.

1051
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,120
Yeah.
And so, you know, there wasn't a

1052
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,120
lot of variables involved.
And, you know, you knew how to

1053
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,600
get to those people.
You knew who they were.

1054
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,360
Now you got this young group
that are much harder to impress,

1055
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,440
you know, So I think all the
lighting manufacturers are

1056
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,560
trying to get everybody excited
about a new product or whatever

1057
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,480
and they're going to use what
they're going to use and you

1058
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,240
know, and the products aren't
aren't.

1059
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,480
They they're not untouchable
anymore, right in the days, like

1060
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,040
if you've got verilight, you got
cash, you've got one of the

1061
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,840
special, you know, yeah, ways
in.

1062
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,480
They're a bit ubiquitous now,
yeah.

1063
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,320
Everything's good, everything's
good.

1064
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,320
It's all solid enough.
And it's you can get it at every

1065
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,720
price point.
Well, by the way, Seth like as

1066
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,720
much.
As you use this stuff, like can

1067
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,560
you sit in an audience now, look
up at the rig and go, Oh yeah,

1068
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,200
those are Araton fixtures or Oh
yeah, those are elation

1069
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,200
fixtures.
No, I can't tell the difference

1070
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,280
anymore.
I mean, certainly there are a

1071
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,200
few fixtures that you can
definitely.

1072
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,640
Well, you think you can tell,
but you know, a Sharpie is not a

1073
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,200
Sharpie anymore.
A Sharpie could be a Chinese

1074
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,880
Sharpie, you know, or something
else.

1075
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,480
I mean, so yeah, everything's a
bit ubiquitous now.

1076
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
It used to be able to do that.
You could show.

1077
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,560
Me a picture in a magazine and I
could tell you that's verilite

1078
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,640
VL 2C, you know, Yeah, yeah, no
question.

1079
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,200
Are those are in tela beams or
those are?

1080
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Cyberlites or those?
Because three of them are out.

1081
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,640
Those are probably pals.
Telescans.

1082
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,680
Yeah, but.
You can even tell.

1083
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,080
From the quality of the beam
maybe?

1084
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,960
They were that there's that was
the unique properties to all

1085
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,320
those fixtures.
And now this is well, I could

1086
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,600
tell looking.
Up at an OB rig, I could tell

1087
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,880
the difference between AZ scan
and a Telescan quite easily.

1088
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,240
You know, just again, like you
said, looking at the beam and

1089
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,080
but it's everything's kind of
looks the same a bit right now.

1090
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,600
And so that's challenging
because I mean, even though the

1091
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,400
rigs like if you compare a rig
from today to a rig from 20

1092
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,600
years ago, 30 years ago, you're
like, whoa, man, like 30.

1093
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,680
Years ago if you would have
seen.

1094
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Anybody these days, because they
all have the same stuff,

1095
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,440
basically 1000 moving lights and
a massive LED screen.

1096
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,600
And but if you would have looked
at that 2530 years ago, you

1097
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,520
would have said, no way, man,
we're never going to have that

1098
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,200
much gear in a rig like that.
But but now that's vanilla like

1099
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,960
that's, that's sort of the base
model and you can pack it

1100
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,960
tighter.
And you can get it with less

1101
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,880
power.
I mean, all of the limitations

1102
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,360
have come off.
Yeah.

1103
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,480
And so these, these shows are
much, much larger visually than

1104
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,360
they ever have been.
Well, I mean weight is still an

1105
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,080
issue.
Obviously, you know, and I one

1106
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,440
of the reasons I know that is
because my house is near

1107
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,840
Calgary.
And I don't know if you've ever

1108
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,280
gigged at the Saddle Dome in
Calgary many years ago, but

1109
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,320
yeah.
It used to be like people would

1110
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,120
go to.
Calgary and skip Edmonton.

1111
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,120
Calgary you'd go Vancouver,
Calgary, maybe Winnipeg and

1112
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,600
Toronto and Montreal.
That was sort of a Canadian

1113
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,440
tour.
Now none of them go to Calgary

1114
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,720
because the the roof in the
building won't hold the rigs.

1115
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,840
So everyone goes up to Edmonton
now instead and but we cannot

1116
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,640
forget Kamloops and.
Red Deer, I just, those are some

1117
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,560
of my favorite ones.
There you go.

1118
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,560
I love those gigs I used to
play.

1119
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:44,280
In Red Deer in.
The The Red Deer Hotel Red Deer

1120
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,040
motor in whatever the hell it
was called, but it was it was a

1121
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,560
dump and but it was fun.
I had some fun in Red Deer.

1122
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,760
I have AT shirt the Canadian
Finals Rodeo Red deer T-shirt or

1123
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,800
Regina.
Yeah, that was.

1124
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,640
Another one.
We did a bunch What?

1125
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,520
There's a comedian who says.
Regina, now that's a party town.

1126
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,880
Any any, any town that rhymes
with vagina.

1127
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,960
Yeah.
So yeah, they were actually.

1128
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,320
They actually sell T-shirts.
In the town that I had a friend

1129
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,800
of mine who was in front of
house on Bon Jovi and Star Wars

1130
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,160
was following them along.
And so they were ahead of us a

1131
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,800
couple of days and we would be
in there.

1132
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,320
And he'd left a present for me.
And it was a T-shirt from the

1133
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,800
like the gift shop of the town
thing.

1134
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,440
It said, you know, Regina, it
rhymes with fun.

1135
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,040
I was like, Oh my.
Gosh, that's I'm probably not

1136
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,000
wearing.
This anyway, but I appreciate

1137
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,360
the sentiment.
Yeah, Regina is such a dump.

1138
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:45,680
Do you know Red Red Rob?
Rod Gibson from, Well, he's at

1139
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,160
Christie now, but he's from
Regina.

1140
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,000
Gil Hopkins, who owned a
lighting company out of Calgary

1141
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,880
called Prolite Productions.
I think he's from Regina as

1142
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,440
well.
There were some Canadian bands

1143
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,000
that were from Regina.
I think St.

1144
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Heart was from Regina.
But other than that, like Regina

1145
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,880
is one of those places, there's
no reason to go there.

1146
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,680
Yeah, it's sort of like.
Fargo North it was.

1147
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,560
A cool restaurant that we ate at
that was in an old.

1148
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,720
Airport hangar and it was kind
of fun, but like the the old

1149
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,760
Kwanzaa Hut hangar kind of
thing, it was pretty.

1150
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Cool.
Yeah, Why?

1151
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,000
I remember that.
But yeah, yeah, but so the

1152
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,880
saddle.
Dome like none of the big tours

1153
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,520
go through the saddle Dome
anymore because the roof just

1154
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,640
doesn't hold the rigs anymore.
So, but they got a new building

1155
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,120
going in right now.
So like everyone else, it's what

1156
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,640
you do it's.
What you do?

1157
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,320
Everything just keeps getting
bigger.

1158
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,880
We need more lights, more video
panels, more things to blind.

1159
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,880
Yeah.
Exactly.

1160
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,880
Blinders.
Yeah, Yeah.

1161
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,800
Yeah.
So I don't know.

1162
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,800
That's one of the things I
really miss.

1163
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,160
You know, having a huge portion
of what I do be set design, hard

1164
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,280
to find somebody that wants to
do that anymore.

1165
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,360
Isn't that true?
Yeah, I mean, it's I've, I've

1166
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,320
noticed that like sets don't
exist anymore, you know, it's

1167
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,360
like packages.
But yeah.

1168
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,360
But, yeah, and then I get the
reality of it.

1169
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,160
You got to store it, you know,
you got to pay for it up front.

1170
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,400
There's a lot of headache to it.
Yeah, you can.

1171
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,720
You can't really change it the
way you can a piece of video

1172
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,600
content.
Yeah, all of that.

1173
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,040
But I do miss, you know, the
inventiveness of the

1174
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,720
theatricality of some of this
stuff.

1175
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,440
It's like, yeah, yeah.
It's visually raising, but I

1176
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,080
still know.
It's video, you know.

1177
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,520
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I miss sets too.

1178
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:40,960
I, you know, I don't even
remember really the last wild

1179
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,560
ones that I saw, but I remember
I did a bunch of lights with

1180
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,960
Peter Morse on one of my Donna
tours.

1181
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,000
It was called Drown Drown World
Tour.

1182
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,200
With the tree, Yeah, Big metal.
Tree.

1183
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,080
Yeah, yeah, 'cause I remember
that set so well.

1184
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,400
I can't remember who designed
it, but I remember her walking

1185
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,080
into the LA Forum where they
were doing tech rehearsals and

1186
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,080
she walked in with her, her
daughter, who I think was

1187
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,480
probably about eight or nine at
the time, and Guy Ritchie

1188
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,920
following behind her.
And she comes in and goes, what

1189
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,160
the fuck is that?
And can't remember if it was the

1190
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,120
production manager or set
designer.

1191
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,000
I think production manager was
probably cowboy.

1192
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,120
And I think he said, he said,
well, that that's the set.

1193
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,800
And she goes, well, that's not
what I agreed to.

1194
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,880
That's fucking disgusting.
And she just went off.

1195
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,640
It's the ugliest thing I've ever
seen.

1196
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,880
I spent $2,000,000 on that piece
of shit.

1197
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,320
I want that thing gone.
And she just like threw a full

1198
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,760
on fit right in front of her
daughter.

1199
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,680
I was embarrassed.
I'm standing there with Peter

1200
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,520
Morrison.
Everybody's trying to take a

1201
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,520
step back, a step back, a step
back, you know, trying to get

1202
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,160
out of the conversation.
And I was just blown away by

1203
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,760
like, how blunt she was being.
And then she went stomping out

1204
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,160
of the room.
And I think all they did was

1205
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,000
they painted it a different
color.

1206
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,760
And she came in the next day and
went, see, now that's what I

1207
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,000
wanted.
Now you've rebuilt it.

1208
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,640
It looks much better now.
And that's what I wanted.

1209
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,680
And they're like, yes, ma'am,
whatever you want.

1210
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,720
Wife for many years only.
Chris Lamb could handle her.

1211
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:24,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

1212
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,720
Well, I.
Think there were other reasons

1213
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,560
that he could handle her, but
too many rumors.

1214
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,320
No, it's not a rumor.
I I heard those.

1215
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:39,960
Stories first hand.
Yeah, I went, I was on a few

1216
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,000
shows of that when it first
started up, I think like

1217
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,080
Barcelona, London.
I can't remember where I went

1218
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,000
with it, but yeah, Chris and I
went to a few dinners and had

1219
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,760
some interesting conversations.
But yeah, anyways, that was the

1220
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,000
last sort of elaborate set that
I remember in an arena tour.

1221
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,040
I don't remember a lot of them
after that.

1222
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,200
Jim Lenihan used to do these.
Outrageous.

1223
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,560
Things for Tom Petty?
Yeah, the tree house.

1224
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,320
Yeah, I remember his tree house.
I had lights on that one too

1225
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,040
with Jim.
Yeah.

1226
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:17,400
And that one I think was one of
the end, sort of like the, the

1227
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,360
put the fork in it kind of thing
because they paid to store it

1228
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,480
forever and just that kind of
became a real problem.

1229
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Yeah.
Well, because you think you're

1230
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,040
going to use it again, you know,
we're not going to just trash

1231
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,320
this thing.
We're going to use it again.

1232
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,680
Just sell it.
Sell it to some lunatic fan with

1233
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,120
a barn and a farmhouse somewhere
and they'll put it in their

1234
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,520
farm, in their barn and invite
friends over for Tom Petty

1235
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,640
parties.
And this is the actual set used

1236
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,840
that actually, Huddleston and I
used to talk about an idea of

1237
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,040
buying some land in Central
Florida where it's cheap as hell

1238
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,040
and building like a big Quonset
kind of building.

1239
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,480
Couple of them, few of them and
charging tours to store stuff,

1240
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,840
store sets in there, but turn it
into a museum, a rock'n'roll set

1241
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,400
museum and you know like a Hard
Rock Cafe, but with sets instead

1242
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:13,000
of closing clothing or whatever.
And your rent is paid by

1243
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,400
charging a minimal nominal
amount to the band to store the

1244
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,680
sets and, and you've got stuff
moving through constantly that

1245
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,160
people can come and see.
So that's interesting to me.

1246
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,280
I don't know if it's
interesting.

1247
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,400
To too many people, but to me it
sounds really cool.

1248
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,680
Yeah, well, I mean, in Florida
you can.

1249
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:37,280
Find fans for anything like
there's that Dawn Garlets drag

1250
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,600
racing museum that everyone
always goes to Big Daddy Dawn

1251
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,960
Garlets and there's alligator
museums and all kinds of weird

1252
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,880
shit.
But yeah, yeah.

1253
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,360
So I can understand though, you,
you getting a little bored of it

1254
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,040
because I'm, I'm bored like
every time I see a show, it's

1255
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,320
you know, I could see, I could
see, you know, a rock band One

1256
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,520
day, a country band the next day
and a pop band the next day.

1257
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,440
And, and not so it's a
difference.

1258
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,440
They're all the same.
Yeah, I mean they.

1259
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,080
All look the same to me.
They really do.

1260
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,520
Yeah, and a lot of that.
You know, I don't think it's a

1261
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,960
dig on the designers.
I think it's just, you know,

1262
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,040
it's just giving the artist what
he wants.

1263
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,240
The the the framework of the.
Entertainment business is just,

1264
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,040
well, this is what you do.
And it takes a brave artist to

1265
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:30,040
say, I'm going to push that a
little further, you know, And

1266
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,200
it's not always an easy choice
where the managers like, go,

1267
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,640
this is how you do this.
Yeah.

1268
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,080
You know it was, it was a rare
thing you did stadiums with

1269
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,200
Toby, right?
A few, yeah.

1270
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,480
Do you like doing stadiums or
it's a different mindset?

1271
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,520
You gotta, you know, it's like
put down your little brush and

1272
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,800
get your big giant brush out and
realize that you're you're

1273
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,000
enveloping the whole space.
Yeah, that's the way to do it in

1274
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,920
my opinion anyway.
I mean, you could, you know, you

1275
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,040
could just say it's my show as
normal arena and we're just

1276
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,360
sticking it in the box at the
end of the stadium.

1277
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,280
Yeah, yeah, The the ones that.
Really seem to work.

1278
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,240
You know, are the ones where
it's like, let's push this thing

1279
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,120
out and let's break these walls
open and make this big giant

1280
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,000
thing at the at the field.
Yeah, I was talking with Marty

1281
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,960
Ham.
About because he he, I think

1282
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,720
last year or whatever, he had
Beyoncé.

1283
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,600
In stadiums Shakira.
In stadiums, What's her name?

1284
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:33,960
The Olivia Rodrigo in stadiums.
And so he's doing all these

1285
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,280
stadiums at the same time.
I think, no, I don't think

1286
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:41,600
Fleetwood Mac, but I asked him
if he liked stadiums and he said

1287
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,000
it's too much walking.
It is a lot.

1288
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,800
Everything's so far,
everything's catering to you.

1289
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,560
Know.
Backstage or from catering to

1290
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,760
front of house or something or
to my office, from my office to

1291
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,040
catering sometimes is like, you
know, half a mile, you know,

1292
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,520
it's just so far.
And the other thing is.

1293
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,840
It's twofold for the audience.
On one hand, it's great to be

1294
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,840
part of that big event and big
spectacle and the excitement of

1295
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,560
a crowd that large.
On the other hand, you're going

1296
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,040
to watch the show on the screen.
You just that's the way, yeah,

1297
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,240
you're going to sit there and
watch it on.

1298
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,480
TV, you know, and I've never
been a fan.

1299
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,880
I think there's some bands like,
I think Coldplay pulls it off

1300
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,120
really well 'cause it is.
It's such a visual thing.

1301
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,880
Yeah, it's all.
It's really not about the guys.

1302
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,920
Yeah, like Pink Floyd.
Yeah, it's the.

1303
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,960
Environment.
Yeah, it it's the same as Pink

1304
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,160
Floyd.
You know, it's Pink Floyd you

1305
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,960
didn't like.
For the longest time I didn't

1306
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,440
even really know what the guys
looked like, you know, 'cause

1307
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,840
all you saw was the the visual
high side special or.

1308
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,240
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean, so.

1309
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,320
Some bands I think can pull that
off, but other bands like where

1310
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,480
you're literally just staring at
the.

1311
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:57,680
Video screen the.
Whole time.

1312
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,520
It's kind of a waste drag.
I mean, I thought Taylor Swift

1313
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,480
did a great.
Job with integrating, you know,

1314
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,400
Baz and the team did yeah, just
remarkable work at pulling this

1315
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,040
whole building into the into the
thing.

1316
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,120
And it wasn't always just look
at her.

1317
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,200
There was, you know.
You just got to treat it.

1318
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,200
Like an experience and not just
like your typical concert.

1319
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:22,600
Yeah, I never saw it.
I, I, I did see Metallica last

1320
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,640
year.
I was again in Canada.

1321
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,800
I, I saw it in the building
their own.

1322
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,680
And I think that's that's.
When that works.

1323
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,080
Yeah, yeah.
And I, I actually, you know,

1324
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,279
normally I wouldn't go down onto
the field and be up close to the

1325
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,439
stage, but at Metallica I did.
And it was actually pretty

1326
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,520
enjoyable.
I mean, it was, it was cool how

1327
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,920
they did it because it's in the
round and, you know, they

1328
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,720
they've basically got a stage at
each corner of the stage.

1329
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,760
So they'll play to each side and
they just keep rotating and, you

1330
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,680
know, another drum kit pops up
and they just keep rotating

1331
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,240
around.
And so I thought that was pretty

1332
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,640
cool.
I mean, it was loud as hell.

1333
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,760
Like they got all those friggin
Meyer Subs just kicking the shit

1334
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,439
out of you right next to the
stage.

1335
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,640
And yeah, so it is.
It is.

1336
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,720
So have you got anything planned
this year for, for tours or

1337
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,640
shows or anything or you're
right, we know the doobies are

1338
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,319
going back.
I don't think there'll be a lot

1339
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,359
of work to do on that because I
think they'll just be getting

1340
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,760
going, but much of the same no
at this point.

1341
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,120
I'm like just sort.
Of let's see where we go, let's

1342
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,319
see what happens.
Well, the housing thing is

1343
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,240
exciting.
I mean, that whole real estate

1344
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:30,840
thing keeps the brains are
going, you know?

1345
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,439
Yeah.
It doesn't allow the dirt to

1346
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,920
gather.
I mean, what an amazing.

1347
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,560
What amazing concept is the idea
to then maybe move up to a

1348
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,640
bigger setup and end up building
yourself one in there and Oh

1349
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,840
yeah, building 7 and the 8th
becomes granddad.

1350
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,920
Yeah.
Or the only challenge with that

1351
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,600
is the other seven are
constantly bitching at the one

1352
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,399
little thing wrong with their
house or whatever.

1353
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:53,520
They come, they know where to
go.

1354
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,520
Yeah, they come to dinner.
Parties at your place and

1355
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,600
they're.
Like, hey, by the way, now yeah,

1356
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:58,080
can.
You.

1357
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:59,880
Can you come over and take a
look at?

1358
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,440
The.
Electric socket in my laundry

1359
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:05,880
room, please.
Yeah, that's my buddy, by the

1360
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,000
way.
I'll call him up.

1361
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,640
His name is Morley.
And I'll call him up and say

1362
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,040
Morley, Why is this thing
happening?

1363
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,560
Why is my front window leaking?
And he's really into the geekdom

1364
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,080
of it all.
And he'll be like, well, have

1365
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,640
you checked this?
Did you ask about this?

1366
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:19,880
Did you?
Look, I'm going to have to come

1367
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,680
over and have a look at that,
you know, and he'll pop right

1368
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,360
over and have a look at it.
So.

1369
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,480
So it's fun.
Well, Seth, I I love talking

1370
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:29,640
with you.
I love seeing you.

1371
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,320
You know, I just saw you a month
ago, but I still like seeing

1372
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:34,720
you.
You're one of one of my

1373
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,840
favorites.
You're such a good dude.

1374
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,520
And so I'm glad you're happy.
Glad you're having fun.

1375
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,360
Yeah.
I look forward to seeing more

1376
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,240
about this housing thing.
I I'd kind of a cool thing.

1377
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,760
It's like what Will 20?
Five look like no no.

1378
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,080
Is it called like SJ
developments?

1379
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,680
Or something.
No, I can't be.

1380
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:56,920
I cannot.
Put my own name on it.

1381
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,280
That's a little much for me.
What is it called?

1382
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,480
I don't have it yet.
Really.

1383
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,480
Yeah.
We're waiting to see, you know?

1384
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:06,000
Once this land thing goes
through, there's several things

1385
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,480
around it that could reference
that, you know.

1386
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:12,040
Do you want to borrow my paid?
ChatGPT account and you can come

1387
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,880
up with a name real quick.
Figure it out for me.

1388
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:14,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It'll give you a.

1389
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,440
Name real fast.
All right, my friend.

1390
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,760
Well, good to see you and stay
in touch.

1391
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,320
Absolutely.
Be a stranger.

1392
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,560
Not at all.
All right, pal, see ya.

1393
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:27,800
Bye.