Dec. 24, 2024
#284 - Get Friggin Festive
Geezers Of Gear special Podcast with a group of friends in the industry, catching up and raising a glass for the Holidays!
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Hello, it's me Sarah and I've
got a huge confession to make.
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So we have just had a lovely
Christmas get frigging Christmas
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Eve with Geezers of Gear podcast
and I forgot to record half of
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it.
So I hope you enjoy the last
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hour of it.
We had some really wonderful
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people that came on to join us
to raise a glass.
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There was some good chats.
I was very silly.
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We weren't recording on
Riverside like I am now, We was
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recording in Rome and I looked
down making sure everything's
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being recorded and it's got on
my little icons at the bottom
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stop record.
And I was like, Oh, well, I
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didn't press anything, but it
must automatically be recorded.
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So I was happy.
You know, we were chatting, you
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know, Marcel didn't say
anything.
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And not that, you know, it
wasn't up to him.
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It was up to me to press the
record button.
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And I'm thinking what?
We must be doing it.
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And then also he got into 50
minutes and I went, my little
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brain went, no, this there is
another button.
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So I looked down at other icons
and I'm looking, it's the first
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time we've recorded on the Roam
and I looked and there it was
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hit record for video.
So guys, everyone that turned up
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at the beginning, people were
coming and going.
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I do apologize, really, I, I, I
feel very, very, very silly, but
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I do apologize for not recording
it all.
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But the last hour that we have,
I hope that everybody enjoys it.
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Thank you again for everybody
who showed up.
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Thank you for the messages for
people that couldn't come and I
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wish everybody a very, very
happy holidays festive season.
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And here is to a fantastic 2025.
Cheers.
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Thank you for joining me for a
special episode #284 of Geezers
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of Gear.
Get friggin festive.
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No, I was.
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What?
Was the deal with that?
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That was a Clay Paki thing that
I think happened like right as I
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had joined Group One or
something like that.
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It was obviously a huge deal.
They.
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Had them all.
Yeah, yeah.
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No, I remember.
Well, before you jumped on, we
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were just talking about the, the
gold BI that they just launched
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like last week or whatever to
celebrate how many BIS they
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built or whatever.
And I remembered that job with
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the, I think it was 50 or 100
gold golden scans for his, the
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disco in his house or whatever.
The gold golden scan three I
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think was the one that had just
come out then.
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Yeah.
OK.
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So how many of us have had that
golden scan 3IN rigs and been
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like what the hell did I put
this in here for?
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Yeah, it.
Had a hell of a triangle gobo.
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Oh yeah.
We used to have a pool on the
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Dylan tour.
At the end of the night, the big
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freaking ballyhoo of how many
mirrors will go flying across
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the stage.
Because that.
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Double sided tape never really
held them.
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Yeah, it's funny.
At LDI, you know, Andrew Gumpert
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does the the lighting museum
thing around the the bar area
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and he had, I think it was a
super scanned zoom from Clay
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Packie.
And I, upon closer inspection,
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saw that the mirror was actually
just a shiny piece of cardboard
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that he cut out to slap on there
because you can't find the
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mirrors anymore.
That's that's that's very Andrew
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improvising.
Yeah, but it'll make it shiny
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enough.
It's ready for rent, right?
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Got that?
Permanent confusion in it.
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I think you were at a demo that
I had to go do for Disney where
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they were buying lights for
something, I can't remember
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what.
And there was a golden Scan 3 or
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whatever it was.
And I had like a, a robo scan
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12/20 and the designer would go,
I think it was like, I don't
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remember who it was, but the
designer would go, OK, now draw
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me a diagonal line from up here
to down here.
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And I want it to go in nine
seconds and I want it in blue or
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whatever, right?
And so the golden scan would go
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like 1234, like absolutely
smooth and beautiful down here
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and the nicest blue you've ever
seen in your life.
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And the robo.
Scan would go Katharine
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Hepburn's head helicopter.
It was.
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It was the matrix.
It was it would be fresh, fresh,
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fresh, fresh, fresh.
It'd go this way on the way
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there, and then this way on the
way.
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Back.
Like it'd go above on the way
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there and below on the way back
and.
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I remember the.
Designer just looking at me
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going no I just want a straight
line.
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Straight lines are boring.
Who wants to remember anybody
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can do a straight line?
Because the only thing I
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remember is US drinking beers on
Main Street, USA at 3:00 in the
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morning going, my God, nobody
gets to do this.
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It was like the most, you know,
forgotten, forbidden thing at a
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Disney.
Pride.
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Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
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And somebody had cracked out a
12 pack like let's go.
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Healing.
Were you at?
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Were you at Obi's when we did
that Yes thing with I think
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again, it was Roboscan Twelve
20s.
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With Jonathan Smeaton.
Well, I don't think it was
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Smeaton, No.
What I did, I did, yes.
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What it was, Yeah.
No, it was.
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I was with Steven.
I'm thinking even Steven
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Bickford early on where we did,
yes.
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I just remember because Peter
Moore was Peter Moore was
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programming for Smeaton, and I
just remember John Anderson, the
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singer going stop.
Stop, stop, stop, stop.
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Because Peter was going crazy
with these round circle gobos
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and I just remember John
Anderson throwing a complete fit
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saying.
Circles are evil.
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Circles are evil.
No circles.
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I don't want any circles.
Circles are evil.
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No, no cones, right?
Yeah, no cone, no cone gobos.
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We knew how to.
Program in cones, so.
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Right.
Well, there you go.
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Oh, we didn't.
No.
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Once again, another amazing.
Yeah, another amazing designer.
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Steven Bickford.
I don't know how many of you
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folks have ever had a chance to
work with him.
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I'm sure.
Fedo, you, you know, Steven, But
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Jesus.
I did a couple Michael Jackson
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commercials, the cars with him
and a few other tours.
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And Dylan.
Yeah.
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Yeah, He designed a Neil Young
tour they gave me to to LD so,
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yeah.
And I did a cars, you know, back
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at Obie's to the car.
He designed the cars and his
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thing was wearing his T-shirts
inside out at the front house
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while he was running the board.
I'm not sure why that was his
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good luck thing then.
That was on purpose.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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No, he didn't do that.
We did.
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That was.
I did the cars with him in 87
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and he took the entire rig and
painted it orange.
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I don't know if you remember
that one at all.
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That was the last car score.
Fortunately, I missed that one.
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Yeah.
And we did that, the cars.
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The cars thing that's on like
Netflix or something, whatever,
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it's on one of the somebody.
'S playing this came in
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documentary right now, has
anyone seen it?
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No.
What's What's it on?
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There's a Cars documentary on
one of the streaming things I
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don't.
It's on Rick.
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Yeah, it's basically I think
it's.
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Yeah, I think it's on Rick O
Kasich, right.
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No, but which?
Which network is it on?
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Oh, I'm not sure I.
Don't know, I don't watch
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Netflix movies.
Yeah, on movies, Michael, you'll
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remember this one.
How many of the Neil Diamond
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fixtures did you you guys have
left at the end of the the the
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the company, all the purple
stuff?
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Jesus, Oh, my goodness.
I don't know.
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Gee, Feta.
Well, you were you were gone at
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that point, right?
Yeah.
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That was Maryland.
That was a Maryland Lowey
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design, correct?
Yeah.
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Jesus, I'm not sure.
Yeah, I remember seeing fixtures
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and trust and things like spell
that for and they were like,
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don't touch that.
That's all Neil's stuff.
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Yeah.
You're you're you're almost
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going to make me tear up because
I think of Patrick Stansfield
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back then.
God bless him.
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And obviously a lot of our
fallen men.
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Patrick was just an amazing
character.
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And.
And what an ambassador to our
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industry, huh?
Yes, Sir.
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Speaking of which, and I'm not
sure because I haven't seen
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anything on social media yet,
did everybody remember Sarge
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from LSD Nashville?
Yeah.
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Yep.
Sarge passed yesterday.
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Yeah, I saw that.
I didn't see anything about that
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on on the media, but I got a
call from Steve Lorenz about it.
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So and way too freaking young.
Sorry, never even got to geezer
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state.
Yeah, so, so unfortunate thing.
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I I saw it on the line too.
It's like, man, we got too many
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of us falling these days.
We're getting to that age.
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Yes, we are.
Well, you know, I, I tell
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everybody every day I'm above
dirt.
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I'm a happy camper these days,
right?
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We haven't like we're helping
shorten our lives in in any way,
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you know?
You know, back in the day, yeah,
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back in the day, I used to
basically equate our life to
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that of the average fireman.
The roadie was like your
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average, you know, age was 40,
right?
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Because we've actually had a lot
of brothers back in the early
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days, back in the 80s, we had a
lot of them fall to, you know,
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either cocaine habits or
different things and overdoses.
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And today, you know, we're just
finding it to age and to health
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issues and so on.
So we're all, we're all very,
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very fortunate to be above
ground and to be talking about
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our, our, our, what I'd like to
say our easy life compared to
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some of the other people.
When I say that, I don't say
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that the fact that it is easy.
I know how freaking hard all of
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us work.
First in, last out, right?
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But but don't you think one of
these health scientists one of
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these days is going to figure
out like why, you know, Keith
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Richards and and Nikki Sixx and
John Wiseman and, you know, like
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some of these people just.
They've pickled themselves and
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I'm.
Yeah, well, I don't, I don't
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know how many of you guys are,
but I'm celebrating my fifth
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year sobriety because of liver
conditions and.
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And that's.
And that's turned into
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pancreatitis and so on.
So I'm struggling with it every
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day.
And at the end of the day, five
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years ago, I was 60 lbs heavier
than I am today.
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And I'm lucky to be above
ground.
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And I took it for, you know,
face value of all the debauchery
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that I did enjoy back in the
days.
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And now it's haunting me.
But, you know, again, I'm still
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extremely lucky to be in this
business with with all of us and
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enjoying our lives.
You know what we do?
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Yeah.
That.
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That's a good word.
Debauchery.
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It was right.
Yeah.
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We can define our entire careers
with that half of that.
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So and go through the lottery.
How you feeling, Cosmo?
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Great.
Good.
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Good to see you and try to get
down there and see ya.
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We're down in February, so I'll
be in your neck of the woods.
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When do you start ACDC?
In March.
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Oh, OK.
So, yeah, we'll definitely get
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together, get some dinner.
Yeah, I I saw you're coming.
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So.
And you said so that would be
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great.
So you on the show?
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Yeah.
Any shows are you doing with
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ACDC Cosmo?
We have 13 U.S.
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States and then we go to Europe
and I have not seen the entire
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schedule yet, but I figure 18,
maybe 20 so.
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Europe in the summer.
Yeah, we did.
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We did 24 last summer.
We didn't do anything in
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Scandinavia.
We did.
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We did.
There's a lot of, and even in
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the States, we're doing 13
cities and we're not doing a
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show in New York, San Francisco,
Denver, I mean, lots of places,
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Seattle.
So I'm hoping we come back in
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2026.
Very cool.
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Very cool since the racing
season going there, Marcel,
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Season's over, right?
He didn't race this year.
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He he's coaching and doing all
kinds of training stuff.
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And yeah, I mean, it's he, he
lost his funding this year,
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let's say.
So he's he's working like a
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working stiff.
It's funny because I read an
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article today that said now
karting is a multi millionaire's
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sport.
Karting is no longer a, a
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grassroots racing thing,
Karting.
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And so half the kids that he's
coaching are like one of the
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kids, I think actually one of
the kids he coaches is in this
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article.
It's a Washington Post article
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that came out yesterday or today
or something.
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And one of the kids he coaches
is the kid in the article.
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His dad owns a bunch of dating
sites.
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I forget what they're called.
I've never been on dating sites,
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so I don't know.
But he, you know, he's a
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gazillionaire and they're paying
millions of dollars for karting.
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Go karts.
Maybe it's an opportunity for
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him to get a new sponsorship.
Yeah, that's what he's always
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thinking.
You know, he's like, if I hang
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out with billionaires, sooner or
later it's going to rub.
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Off.
Right, Yeah, yeah, it'll rub off
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at some point, but yeah, I don't
know.
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It's it's just the sport has
become a weird sport, but.
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And it's was never for the poor,
so.
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No, it, it never has been a poor
person sport, but it's never
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been like it is today where it's
a billionaire sport.
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You know, it's like our next
step in Europe was supposed to
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be Formula 3.
Formula Three now is about €2
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million and like just five years
ago it was €500,000, which is
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still a lot of money, but €2
million is is unachievable.
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It's.
Like.
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Well, Gordie and the companies,
a couple of companies in the UK
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sponsored a guy in the British
Touring Car Championship, yeah,
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which is sort of saloon cars,
right.
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And it was about two hundred
300,000 yeah, back used to get
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which would run the whole
season, maybe a bit more.
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That way.
Yeah, that's the.
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Point He ended up becoming
800,000 to stay competitive.
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Yeah, GT cars.
GT cars in comparison to what my
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kid races open wheel is still
reasonable.
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You know when, when you, when
you compare them.
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But you know, like everyone's
talking about this kid Liam,
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Liam Lawson, who's just gone
into F1 and how he's grassroots
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made it up through all the
series and blah, blah, blah.
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Well, his grandfather, we
happened to know him because we
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raced against him in Formula
Ford in Europe a few years ago.
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And his grandfather gave him
€150 million to get through
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Formula 432 and 1:00 to get into
Formula One.
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So €150 million.
Even all the formula, even even
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the talented Formula One drivers
all have had some kind of
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Hamilton had Mercedes backing,
you know, and Perez has got all
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the Mexico money.
Max had Dad's money and it's
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fun.
Do you know what I mean?
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They've all had some kind of
serious support.
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No, it's insane.
Yeah, but it's worse.
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Now it's worse.
Now like we have a we.
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Have a friend who's in.
We have a friend who's in
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IndyCar right now who his name
is Kiffin Simpson.
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His dad paid $40 million to get
him into IndyCar.
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Man, back when I was. 18 It was
not even close to being that
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expensive when I raced.
Not even.
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No, it's never been like this,
you know, And by the time you
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got to IndyCar, you were being
paid.
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You weren't paying to get into
IndyCar.
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You weren't paying to get into
Formula One.
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But that's all changed now.
I mean, you know you're not.
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Bitter he's just trying to make
a living off of it like there's
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in Miami they're opening tracks
right now like club tracks for
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these mega rich people who are
racing their Lamborghinis and
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stuff and like the Formula One
temporary track that goes around
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the football stadium in Miami is
now becoming a permanent track
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and you can buy memberships
there for $1,000,000.
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So all these guys with their GT3
Rs and their Lamborghini and
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their whatever are buying
memberships there.
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And so he's talking to the
people who run that track to go
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in as a coach slash Co driver
when there's races and stuff
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because these guys, they'll run
these Pro Am races.
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So he's the pro there, the
amateur.
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And so there's a lot of money to
be made in doing that.
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And like somebody else said, you
know, you're rubbing shoulders
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with billionaires.
Why not?
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So he's good with it.
He understands his place in
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life.
You know, dad's in the lighting
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business.
I can't afford to be a race car
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driver.
Or a race car supporter.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, But you know, it's funny
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because my, my girlfriend's
nephew, she's British and her
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nephew is a very hot prospect in
the UK right now.
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And he's 15 years old and he
recently was signed by Arsenal.
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And not only do they pay for all
his schooling, all his training,
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all his coaching, all his
everything, but they're paying
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him and his family there.
He's got a Nike sponsorship.
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He's got like he's set for life.
And he's 15 years old and
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they've never spent real money
like his dad is, has got a, a
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soccer Academy or football
Academy.
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And so he's trained him since he
was like 1 year old or whatever,
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right?
But it's different.
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You know, they've got this
support thing where they, they
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raise these kids up through the
very most junior leagues all the
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way up into the pros.
And you don't have to have, you
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know, millions of dollars to, to
be a pro.
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Yeah, but isn't soccer in the UK
and Europe comparable to what we
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do with football here?
I mean, by the time kids are in
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high school, they've already got
their college path now with NIL
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things or whatever that NFT or
whatever that name, NIL name,
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image, likeness.
I mean, you know, good Lord, by
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the time a kid's a senior in
high school, if he's good and
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outstanding, he's got the next
eight years of his life.
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You've already got pro teams
recruiting him by the time he
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gets to be a freshman or a
sophomore in college.
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Very similar to I think what the
what the soccer system is where
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the.
There's some.
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Support you're.
Talking.
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About.
Well, yeah.
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And when you're talking about
with the racing that's elite,
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that's like kind of saying I
want to be, you know, a horse
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race person.
I mean, you got to have a budget
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to start with in that field.
It's not something that is
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readily available for you in a
school program, so.
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In the soccer world, you're
they're picking them up younger
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though, they're picking up 789.
And so around our support and
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quite a support of my local
team, but we aren't at the top.
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But they, they come and scout
our seven or eight-year olds at
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the big clubs like the Arsenal,
Chelsea's, whatever.
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And we'll come and pay for
$10,000 to one of our kids to
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put them into their Academy.
But they go through it.
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I'd be willing to.
Bet it's very similar here with
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football.
I'd live down the street from
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Shamanad Madonna, which is a
school that has ranked as a
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state champion and had huge
stars come out.
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And they already are talking
about the freshman players that
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are going into this school as
being stars.
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And they're not even.
They're just in their first year
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of high school.
Yeah.
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So that's right, that's. 15
years old. 16 years old.
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But but they could.
But but we've.
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Also got, I mean, soccer is now
popular in the States, but but
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football was the major support
and you had all of the, the
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little leagues and the young
kids and the peewees and, you
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know, same thing with baseball,
just a different, just a
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different society.
I, I was just trying to make the
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difference between the, the
correlation between soccer and
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or race car driving.
I'm I'm not sure that's the same
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as race car driving and say,
being a polo person, if that's
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your sport, you need horses and
all that crap.
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I.
Don't think any of us can afford
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polo.
Thank you very much.
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I don't think many of us can
afford horse race car racing
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either at the what the prices
you guys were quoting.
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That's a very expensive sport.
It's funny because here I live
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in Wellington, which is like
the, they call it the cold
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weather equestrian capital of
the world.
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So you've got like Jeremy
Jacobs, who owns the Boston
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Bruins, lives here.
Bill Gates has a house here,
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Bruce Springsteen has a house
here.
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Like all these guys who have
these, these kids who do
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dressage or show jumping or
whatever it is.
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So anyways, I was sitting at A
at a restaurant, having a drink
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at the bar one day and sitting
talking to this guy next to me.
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And you know, what do you do?
What do you do?
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You got any kids?
Yeah.
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What do you do?
Your kids play football?
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No, no, my kids a racing driver.
Oh.
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So I you know, I start crying
about how expensive it is to be
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a racing driver.
And he goes, Marcel, have you
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ever tried to field a polo team?
And I said no.
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And he said.
He said.
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I spent $35 million last year
and I said, OK, you win.
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Sorry, you win.
Different.
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Level there, Sir.
Wow.
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Well and Wellington not for
nothing is a little hoity toity
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Chris horse town as well.
It's it's very it's not the
453
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,200
well, you know, being a native
Floridian, I remember when Ocala
454
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,800
was a little 2 bit western town.
That was the horse.
455
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,960
Yeah, it's different now
Florida, and now it's like the
456
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,480
Southern Kentucky.
Big town, small town.
457
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,080
That's 35 mils.
A lot to pay for what's going to
458
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,680
end up as glue.
Everybody I got.
459
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,840
To.
Go to another meeting.
460
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,040
Good seeing everyone have a
great holiday.
461
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,200
Cheers.
Merry Christmas, all.
462
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Yes, Gordon, there's I'm going
to, I'm going to bounce out
463
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,200
until you guys take care of
yourself.
464
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,440
It's good.
Good checking in with everybody,
465
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Marcel.
All right.
466
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,920
Thanks for putting this
together.
467
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,560
It's great.
Nice meeting you, Michael.
468
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,080
You guys have happy holidays.
All right.
469
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,240
All right.
Thank you, mate.
470
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Bye.
Bye.
471
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800
Seriously, how many?
How many Mac ones did you sell
472
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,480
at at LTI?
You put, you said, you said on a
473
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,200
podcast.
Warranty.
474
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,200
They're still under warranty.
You only launched them last
475
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,360
year, Goldie.
Not even a year.
476
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,080
Old Oh, I meant.
V ones, yeah.
477
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,480
V ones, V ones.
V ones still under warranty.
478
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,920
Oh, by the way, did anyone see
Cosmo?
479
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:46,560
You probably saw the Vera light,
the El 5. 5141 or 1541, That's
480
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,560
a.
Dumbass name, but anyways it was
481
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,040
a very novel.
Was it a fixture or was it a
482
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,440
console?
No, it's a fixture.
483
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,560
I think you're right.
What what you said in your sum
484
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,040
up, they must sell on it from a
competitor point of view.
485
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,440
Is it the finish?
Is it where we're all going to
486
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,400
end up?
No, but it's the journey to get
487
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,240
in there and I think.
Yeah, it's the journey.
488
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,760
Not the destination.
Yeah.
489
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,160
And I think, I think, I think
it's, but we all sort of sat
490
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,760
around and talked about it and I
think everyone else will have
491
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,040
done and it's just what where
can that go?
492
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,600
That was interesting to watch.
It's an interesting.
493
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,240
As long as yours is in 120 lbs.
Sorry.
494
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,160
As long as the Martin 1 isn't
£120 like the Verilite 1 is.
495
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Is it £120 that light?
Yep, serious 120 lbs.
496
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Did they throw out any prices?
No.
497
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,600
Because that's the other.
Thing they're saying.
498
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,560
It's made in.
They're saying it's made in
499
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,560
Texas.
But you know, how expensive is
500
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,720
it gonna be?
Like, I don't know, My, my, my
501
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,400
gut feeling, like if I was a
designer, I'd be looking at it
502
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,040
going, yeah, it's cool.
Do I need it?
503
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Like, where can I use this
thing?
504
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,360
You know, is it something I
gotta have?
505
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280
I don't see it.
Well, ultimately for a lot of
506
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,680
that stuff, it's, it's about
making a compelling case to the
507
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,560
client, you know, and does it do
something that you can't get any
508
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,640
other fixture to do that makes
it worth a premium.
509
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,560
And I think it's an interesting
concept.
510
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,400
I didn't see the thing.
Patrick, do you see it?
511
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,680
Yeah, I I did and and I saw it
with Marcel, actually.
512
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Yeah, and Oh yeah.
Was was wildly unimpressed by
513
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,640
it.
I think it was the only person
514
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720
who was kind of being honest
about.
515
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,280
I thought it was kind of
lackluster.
516
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Right, but you're not the only
person I've heard say that mate.
517
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,240
It did.
It's interesting.
518
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:49,160
And I liken it to GLP originally
taking that leap to put an LED
519
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,560
light engine in a moving head.
And we had, we had all been
520
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,960
begging for that as a Holy Grail
for the longest time and get
521
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,400
away from discharge lamps.
And they did it.
522
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,640
And we all went, yeah, not good.
Enough.
523
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Because it wasn't bright enough
to to make the impact, but
524
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,520
someone had to break that
technology and, and take the
525
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,320
hit, right.
And I see this as being that
526
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,600
when you know, they've got the
intensity, it's very cool.
527
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,480
It does something unique, but
it's ultimately too resolution
528
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,840
enough right now to to make the
impact.
529
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Like if you're going to sell it
to theatre designers because
530
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000
they can do amazing fire and
water effects and everything,
531
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,960
they're going to look at it and
go, yeah it does, but God damn,
532
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,920
it's 8 bit and really choppy.
So I can get a projector
533
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,880
projector I'll just stick with.
A twin spin.
534
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,720
Well, that's the thing.
You do a fire effect with just
535
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280
about every fixture out there.
No ones going to go oh, but that
536
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760
ones a digital fire effect
precisely.
537
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,960
And I think even the thing
they're just, I applaud them for
538
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760
pioneering the way with this
technology.
539
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,960
I think it's going to be very
cool in five.
540
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,960
Years.
It reminded me very much of the
541
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,480
DL1 and DL2 where great concept
poorly executed.
542
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Which?
Fix.
543
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560
You remember the you remember
the Medusa?
544
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Yeah, I I felt it was a continue
on from that is what I felt.
545
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Well, that was actually
ironically enough, that was
546
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,720
precisely what I had said to
Marcel about it, because I was
547
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960
talking about how the
technologies of these things and
548
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,560
Medusa was one of those things
leads to other stuff.
549
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,640
So one of the, the little known
things about the, the Medusa
550
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,280
project, which which ultimately
came Icon M, which had a grand
551
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:40,800
total of I think 32 units
globally made that had a a timer
552
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,080
in it that was able to.
They had to figure out a way
553
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,640
with this thing projecting
digital imagery to index the
554
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,880
gobos perfectly together so that
when you you stopped something,
555
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,880
they, they would stay linked.
So just like indexing gobos in
556
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,160
general and they figured out how
to basically make all the other
557
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,680
lights in a chain follow the
first guy and they would sync to
558
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,560
him.
It was sort of like a a poor
559
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800
man's genlock, if you will, for
videos broadcast.
560
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,840
And ultimately that was the
technology digitally that they
561
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,920
used in the M box to synchronize
the QuickTime videos across
562
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,040
multiple M boxes.
So you know that whereas the
563
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,120
Icon M you could say failed and
just never really made it to
564
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,640
market, the technologies that
came out of that R&D went on to
565
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
pay dividends for them later on.
And I think we're gonna see a
566
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,080
lot of that with this
technology.
567
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040
That's, yeah, I agree.
That's a good assessment.
568
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Yeah, yeah.
Interesting.
569
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Interesting that there was a new
media server at LDI 2 also
570
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360
called Hive, which was a little
confusing.
571
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Yeah, that was that Nigel Sadler
has who originally had green
572
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Hippo or.
Worked for green hippo.
573
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,840
So interesting.
I didn't.
574
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,640
See that video?
People really like that.
575
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Yeah, you've got Nigel Sadler
from Green Hippo, Dave Green
576
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,200
from Ava Lights and Dave D Free.
It's an interesting team there
577
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,480
and a really nice product.
To be honest, it's looking a bit
578
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,000
interesting at at Hive at the
moment it.
579
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Was very well received.
Yeah, that anyone notice how
580
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,080
many new movie like brands there
were at this show that I'd like
581
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,960
never seen before and never
heard of?
582
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Like, there was one funny story
I was on.
583
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,200
You know, one thing funny about
living in South Florida as you
584
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,840
fly back with lots of
interesting people from an LDI
585
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960
show.
So on my flight, you know, there
586
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,200
were Roby people and there were
Chauvet people and there were
587
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:04,680
whatever inner circle people.
And so I had Deanna from Chauvet
588
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,560
right in front of me.
And when we were waiting to get
589
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120
off the plane, I said, hey, how
was your show?
590
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Oh, yeah, we had a great show,
blah, blah, blah.
591
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,400
And I said hey.
Who's that company bollocks like
592
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,159
I never heard of them before and
I saw.
593
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,120
This company bollocks.
Who are they?
594
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:24,440
And she says, or she didn't say
anything.
595
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,639
The guy across the aisle from me
goes, that's me.
596
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,639
And I'm like, oh, hey, who are
you?
597
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,120
Like, I've never seen or heard
of this guy before, right?
598
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,960
So I end up talking to him all
the way through the airport.
599
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,440
And I come to find out that, you
know, Nick Freed, who I
600
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:46,000
basically brought into the
industry, was best friends with
601
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,920
his dad, Dan Fallon, who I know
very well.
602
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,159
And so he brought this kid into
Inner Circle.
603
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,920
He worked at Inner Circle for a
few years and then went and
604
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,640
started his own brand and
imported a bunch of Chinese
605
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,440
stuff and, and off he went.
But a nice booth, really well
606
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,800
designed by Michael Meacham.
You know, the programming I
607
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,400
thought was pretty good.
As a comment.
608
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Yeah, I mean, I, I thought it
was great like it was, you know?
609
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,080
And it's got 12 gobos.
And then it would go through the
610
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,200
different gobos and like the the
voice over and the programming
611
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,560
and the the time coding and
stuff I thought was pretty,
612
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,720
pretty decent.
But there were a bunch of those.
613
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:29,880
Like there were a bunch of sort
of no name Chinese brands that
614
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,000
looked really good at that show,
I thought.
615
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,600
The MA3 clone in Fine Lines
booth.
616
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Yeah, yeah, we talked about.
That all that?
617
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,080
Yeah.
Wild.
618
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Yeah, well.
John Featherstone was just
619
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,440
telling us that he just did a
show over in in UAE.
620
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,320
You tell the story, John.
Yeah, in Saudi Arabia, yeah, the
621
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,640
consoles were the only way I
could tell, you could really
622
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,360
tell the difference was there
were 3 pin XLR instead of fives.
623
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:01,120
It was uncannying, disturbing
level of detail to the quality
624
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,000
to the to the cloning of the
boards.
625
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,760
MA two, though, right, John MA.
Twos, yeah, MA twos.
626
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,400
Yeah.
Interesting that What did they
627
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,000
do for the screens?
I mean, you know, we know the
628
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,720
big issue with twos right now is
that the screens are gone to
629
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,320
shake.
So they, they, we loaded up the
630
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,280
show file we've done in the
States with everything
631
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,880
including, including lock
screens, and it ran just fine.
632
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,440
So they're sourcing.
They're sourcing the screen
633
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,960
somewhere.
Wow.
634
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,920
Same aspect ratios, same level
of touch control.
635
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,960
You know, Chris Herman, who was
programming, he was like, yeah.
636
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
I mean, other than the buttons
sound a bit different.
637
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,800
He's like, you can tell the
difference.
638
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Yeah.
That's, that's going to be
639
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,680
interesting because I know a lot
of guys who are still kind of
640
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,240
not trying to use the three.
And I was like, dude, where are
641
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,200
you going to go?
Because there's not a whole lot
642
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,320
of places left to go with two,
right?
643
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Well, and one would imagine
sooner or later MA are going to
644
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,120
stop supporting it.
They they, it can't be a
645
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,520
sustainable business model for
them.
646
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,000
I.
Think I.
647
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,880
Think technically they are no
longer supporting it, they're
648
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,320
just having to package it with
the, you know, the Graname 3
649
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,160
update software as.
It right right.
650
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,520
I had dinner last night with an
LD from Vegas and he's learning
651
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,120
free, say, he said.
What's the point learning to,
652
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,800
you know, it's going that way,
We've got to work that way.
653
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Very true.
Yeah, At this point everybody's
654
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,800
shifting over to it.
I mean, it's at a point where
655
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,200
it's at least the software on
the three platform is stable
656
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,960
enough where you're not overly
concerned.
657
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
But now it's just the the
frustrations of certain features
658
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,800
of it, which has been been the
same way on each release that
659
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,560
they've ever done.
And the other problem though is
660
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,360
historically between the MA one.
Timeline and the area 2 timeline
661
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,600
and everything else the MA where
will the Chinese?
662
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,680
You know it's going to be up and
done before it's a fully
663
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,480
functioning, viable desk.
Right.
664
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Yeah.
Do we think the Chinese will
665
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,480
catch up on desks?
Do you think the Chinese will
666
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,480
catch up on desks?
I'll tell you what, Gordon, five
667
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,120
years ago I would have said no
way.
668
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,920
But today I would say
absolutely.
669
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840
I think they will absolutely,
because.
670
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080
You think you think you think
it's a big enough market?
671
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,760
Software.
You think it's I think I mean,
672
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,640
certainly, I mean, Ben will back
me up here.
673
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,880
The biggest standing Plaza this
year was beams and actually
674
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,720
bigger than the Roby stand.
And yeah, but that's, that's,
675
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,200
yeah.
But is the market bigger, the
676
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,600
soft, the software development
and the cost of software
677
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,160
development is huge.
So, so from a point of view of
678
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,240
it's a crowded market player
with a place with a two or three
679
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,200
really strong brands and some
really good challenge for brands
680
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,200
already there, I just don't
think there's a yeah.
681
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,160
But I think.
I think it's if a good Chinese
682
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,280
manufacturer like an Acme, a
Golden Sea, one of the big ones,
683
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,440
if they were to produce a desk
that looks similar, feels
684
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,560
similar, does a lot of the same
stuff, works as well as an MA 2
685
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:24,800
for example, or an MA 3 and is
20 five, $30,000 and.
686
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Their.
Model their model is going to be
687
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,920
that they charge 1000 bucks for
software updates.
688
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,560
You know that's how they're
going to do it because right
689
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,400
now, like that's the argument
with Mama, with Avo, with any of
690
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
these companies, any actually
any software company, they're
691
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,480
going to say we charge so much
because we give you free updates
692
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,240
and there's some logic to that.
It costs a lot of money to
693
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,880
support those consoles over the
years, but I think that that's a
694
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,640
model we're going to see.
We're going to see somebody come
695
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,080
out with a $25,000 kick ass
concert touring console with all
696
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,000
the because I mean, I will say
it because because it's true.
697
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,040
But I think MA, some of the
costs for some of the peripheral
698
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,200
stuff is crazy.
You know, the MP, US and stuff
699
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880
like that where you open the
unit up and there's nothing to
700
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,840
it and it's thousands.
Of dollars, yeah, It's basically
701
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,840
a software license box.
Yeah, it's a software license
702
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,800
box, right and.
So.
703
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
That's where I think that could
go.
704
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,760
But you know, you're right.
I mean like the problem is
705
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,960
getting guys like Cosmo and and
whoever, John Featherstone
706
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:40,080
anyone to program a new console
or to learn a new language.
707
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,760
And you've got and you've got to
get market, you've got to get a
708
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320
market adoption really quickly.
As well, because.
709
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Whatever Chinese, whatever
Chinese manufacturer makes it,
710
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,840
they just got to get Bob Gordon
to push it and promote it and
711
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,320
then.
Industry standing.
712
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,840
I just, I just spent, I just
spent, I spent some good time
713
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,200
with Bob Gordon and I think the
the ship has sailed.
714
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880
But you know, we're going to
have to find a new console
715
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,000
importer.
Bobby ain't doing it this time.
716
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960
So you've got, you've got,
you've got to get, you can swap
717
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,200
in movers, you can swap in and
out of those fine.
718
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,600
But you've got to, you've got to
have a hundred, 203 hundred, 400
719
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,360
desks in all the shops.
But do you want to be pretty
720
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,800
damn quick?
Because otherwise, you know
721
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,800
you're not going to get out
there with one or two quick.
722
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,640
But what if?
What if it was a?
723
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Similar console, but it had full
cloning functionality and and
724
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,480
all that.
Kind of stuff like where you.
725
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,840
Can put.
Files from an MA 3 into it.
726
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,280
And you can do 3/3 for the price
of one an AOL.
727
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Yeah, I see that that way Marcel
as well.
728
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,720
I really do.
And.
729
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,600
I think it's going to happen
because the market is big
730
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,080
enough, I believe.
It's all fun.
731
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,880
And games until the
manufacturer, the original 1,
732
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,600
starts putting in little bits of
code that finds the copies.
733
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,400
Yep, and do what?
And crash it into.
734
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,800
It How is Avo doing lately?
Yeah.
735
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,640
It works well.
We, we went through a, a big
736
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:19,720
problem with this stuff on a, on
a global festival client and MA
737
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,760
was directly supporting us for a
long time.
738
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,640
And one, it all came to a
problematic head at one point
739
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,480
where I had a, an MA
representative that flew all the
740
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,400
way to, I think it was like
Bogota or something for this
741
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,640
huge festival we're doing.
And I get the call, I have a
742
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,960
problem here.
I can't support any of this.
743
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,280
And I'm terrified to let anybody
at the office know because I got
744
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,440
here and it's all fake gear.
And so, so now they've sent an
745
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,360
MA Rep to solve the software
issues of a Chinese, full
746
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,440
complement of Chinese product
that's knock off but using their
747
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
software.
And he's like, I don't really
748
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,920
know where to go here.
This is this is a problem.
749
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,200
Yeah, that can be a bit
problematic.
750
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,200
It's a big welcome to Colleen
and Bob.
751
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:17,120
Hi, guys.
Thank.
752
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,560
You.
No, I'm having my favorite tiki
753
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:30,680
bar and.
Where are you, Colleen?
754
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,240
I just, I'm at home, so I'm in
Hendersonville, TN.
755
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:42,320
So time off.
Yes, I got home three days ago
756
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:55,200
so yeah, from what From what
show I was actually I also have
757
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,560
events do other random things
with down for Universal epic
758
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,400
that's in Orlando, so setting up
or what's going to happen in
759
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,840
January so.
Bob, mute your mic.
760
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Oh, sorry, thank you.
You might have to say.
761
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,000
That very loud.
I have no idea what you said,
762
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
Colleen, but.
Exactly.
763
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,760
You got to repeat that.
You're welcome.
764
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Please say that again, Colleen.
I was down in Orlando setting
765
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,360
up, well, getting ready for the
rehearsal process that's going
766
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480
to happen in January for one of
the live shows at Universal
767
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Epic.
So the new theme park that's
768
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,440
opening.
Oh, cool.
769
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Fun.
Yeah.
770
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,560
It's it's very, I help them in
in the pandemic in Beijing.
771
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080
And so it's really interesting
to watch a theme park come
772
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,800
together.
It's very, very different than
773
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,120
concerts.
When does it open?
774
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,440
The actual opening date is May
22nd.
775
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:06,280
The soft opening I believe is
March something.
776
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:13,920
So we, I'm just letting you
know, we have to have, we have
777
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,840
to have one of four casts on
stage ready to go for audience,
778
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,600
for audiences by March 1st.
Wow.
779
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,000
And currently we don't have a
theater.
780
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,760
Good times.
Currently the theater is still
781
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,440
being constructed.
So it's really, it's a it's a
782
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,760
very interesting process to deal
with like the county and like
783
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,840
all of that coming in and being
like, you can't do this.
784
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,320
And why it's there holes in the
stage.
785
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,040
It's like, well, those are for
CO2 fence.
786
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200
Oh, you can't have that.
No, no, no, they just, they just
787
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,000
it's OK.
Nobody's going to get hurt.
788
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,480
It's that kind of thing.
And they're like, oh, that's
789
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520
against regulations.
It's like no, no, no, no.
790
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,280
It's really no, it's really not.
Yeah, it's going to be OK.
791
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,320
I promise everybody.
It's going to be OK.
792
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
It looks different here.
Hasn't done that, you know.
793
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,720
I have to ship out everybody.
I have a lovely wife who's
794
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,880
enjoying a birthday today and
we're off to dinner.
795
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Happy, Happy Christmas, Merry
holidays to everyone.
796
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,360
Hopefully you have more of your
faces next year and you and I
797
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,120
hope everybody has a safe and
happy holiday season.
798
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,240
Happy.
See you later, Martin.
799
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Yeah, this time we're going.
Goodnight.
800
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,880
Oh, I'm going to say hello.
Great seeing.
801
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,000
You.
We're going to.
802
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,760
Bed.
Gorgeous.
803
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560
It's early for gourd.
What the hell?
804
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,240
What happened to Gordon Jesus?
Well, it looked like it looked
805
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,160
like he was drinking milk, but
I'm sure he wasn't drinking
806
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
White Russian.
Yeah, it wasn't milk.
807
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,080
You don't smoke cigarettes with
milk.
808
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Yeah, well, actually, it's
because of Gordon.
809
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,040
I'm actually here.
So thank you, Gordon.
810
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,360
I know you've gone now, but
yeah, Gordon did introduce us.
811
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Yeah.
Gordon's another one of those.
812
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,680
He's another John Wiseman and
Keith Richards.
813
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,000
You know he's pickled like the
man.
814
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,400
The man.
Can do whatever he wants to do,
815
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,360
apparently.
And how well do you know Gordon?
816
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
You must know him Well, yeah.
Legendary.
817
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,680
Yeah, Legend.
There's a There are stories of
818
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,360
Gordon.
So much for sure, so much old.
819
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,200
I I've been with him on most of
those stories, sadly so.
820
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,080
John Wiseman isn't as old as
Keith Richards, is he?
821
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,080
How do you know how old Wiseman
is?
822
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,440
Well, no.
Keith Richards is 80.
823
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,400
John is like 66 I think.
You know, even as old as I sell
824
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,160
in 80.
Months, right?
825
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,720
Yeah, Well, Keith Richards
birthday I think is today.
826
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:00,920
I think I saw.
So is it?
827
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,360
Really.
Yeah, I think is he, what, 81 or
828
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,040
something?
Yep, he's 80.
829
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
I'm going to Google it right now
because I believe it happened.
830
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,360
Yeah, it's today.
It is Keith Richard's birthday.
831
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,240
He is.
Especially.
832
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,160
Amazing.
You're listening.
833
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,160
That blows my mind.
I was talking with Marty Ham
834
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,360
about that because Marty was the
tour manager, I think for the
835
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Stones this year.
And, and he was just talking
836
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,560
about the exercise routine and
stuff that Mick Jagger went
837
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,760
through because, you know, Mick
running up and down the ramps
838
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,000
and like crazy stuff at 81 years
old.
839
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080
Insane.
Just unbelievable.
840
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Blows my mind, I have to say,
you know.
841
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,720
Well, The funny thing is, when
you get to be that age, you
842
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:01,680
don't realize you, don't you?
I mean, it's harder obviously to
843
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,400
do it than when you were 31, but
you don't think you're old.
844
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,280
Yeah, but I'm 60 and I don't
know if I could run back and
845
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,080
forth up and down those ramps.
Yeah, but he's been doing it his
846
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,520
whole life, so.
That's.
847
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:12,920
True.
No.
848
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,000
No other way.
Yeah.
849
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,280
Yeah, he's a pro.
He's a pro.
850
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,560
I tell you.
I really want to be with Bobby's
851
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,120
right now because it looks
lovely.
852
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,800
Look at it.
What's that?
853
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,240
I want to be where Bobby is now.
Oh yeah?
854
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Well, we all want.
To be where?
855
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Bobby is every day.
Yeah.
856
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,400
OK, Bobby, you got to turn your
mic on, buddy.
857
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,280
You got me trained already.
Thank you.
858
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,280
I know anyway, we have a
sailboats outside here.
859
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,600
This is a beautiful place to be.
This is this is my favorite my
860
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,080
favorite cheeky bar.
Let me tell you the the puffer
861
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,240
fish up top here and this.
Place is just.
862
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Awesome.
What's a tiki bar without puffer
863
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,280
fish, right?
Yeah.
864
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Well, this is called La
Mariana's and it it's where all
865
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,520
tiki bars have gone to die when
they've been torn down in
866
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,880
Waikiki.
Somebody says I got puffer fish
867
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,880
with spikes.
You want them?
868
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Oh, yeah, I want those.
I want those.
869
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,240
There's a working waterfall in
the back.
870
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,560
There's all kinds of tikis that
are from the 1920s and I think
871
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,200
the oldest thing here is late
1800s from the sailing ships.
872
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,520
But but it's not, it's not that
old.
873
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,280
It was built in the 40's.
The guy had a boat out here
874
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,280
offshore and he wanted a place
to drink with his buddies.
875
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,400
He started with a Kwanzaa Hut
and kept building it out and
876
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,960
tried to condemn it, Take it
probably 20-30 times and I
877
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,480
managed to avoid it.
That the string lights on the on
878
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,680
the roof were like just stapled
in raw.
879
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,200
You know, there's a lot of
things that would be pretty
880
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,040
questionable at one time.
Bob.
881
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,480
Bob, I've never asked you this,
but there's a guy I used to be
882
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,760
friends with.
You're not friends with him now.
883
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,960
I haven't talked to him in 15
years, but I was friends with
884
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,400
him and he's an audio guy and he
was married to Don Ho's
885
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,280
daughter.
What?
886
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,320
Wow, who is that?
No, not offhand.
887
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,280
And he lived somewhere up on the
the mountain, that's the
888
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,840
volcano, whatever that Diamond
Head, he lived somewhere up like
889
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,280
part of the way up that
mountain.
890
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,280
I'll, I'll look for that now.
I don't want to spill this.
891
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,280
My my lunch is.
Blown off completely.
892
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,240
Yeah, I know.
Sorry.
893
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,000
Chicken wings is fun.
My my lunch is staying.
894
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,960
This is coconut shrimp and.
Bob is the master of show and
895
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,560
tell.
Anyways, now he's just We're in
896
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,640
the right place at the right
time.
897
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,720
Are the coconut?
Drinks in my lifetime.
898
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Oh my gosh, I'm not sure.
Allow me to let let you know.
899
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Yeah, they're very much so.
Yeah, good for you.
900
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:17,160
So anything else have we missed?
Cosmo, you got anything between
901
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:24,560
now and ACDC?
Work wise now just conferences
902
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:30,000
between Live Production Summit
and ma'am, we're going to go to
903
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,120
the soft opening of the
universal thing with Colleen so.
904
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:38,080
I'm.
Going to see Colleen in January.
905
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,120
Cosmo, I want to know about the
conference at Litit.
906
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,720
How was that and what what were
they doing and why did 1200
907
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:55,040
people go there?
The conference at Lititz, why
908
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,040
did 1200 people go?
I mean, I don't know.
909
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,400
They said 1200 people went.
I didn't count.
910
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,480
It's it's.
I saw your Facebook it looked
911
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,080
like about 11150 actually on.
Your selfie and you took it all
912
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,080
over them, Cosmo.
Yeah, picky, Picky.
913
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,400
It's, it's, I mean, it's, it's,
it's obviously it's, it's a
914
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,800
bunch of panels.
I mean, it's a gathering of old
915
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,280
friends.
There's a lot of younger people
916
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:30,320
there, you know, cost money.
So I mean ticket and hotels and
917
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,800
flights and it's lit.
It's it's not like some major
918
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,240
city.
Yeah, it's hard to get to.
919
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,400
And did you?
Fly to Philadelphia and drive.
920
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,760
The last year I flew to Philly.
This year I flew to Harrisburg.
921
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Harrisburg's 30 minutes,
Philly's an hour and a half, you
922
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,040
know?
Yeah, it was.
923
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,560
It's the same, right?
I connect to Atlanta anyway, so
924
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,320
it doesn't matter.
Last year I stayed in an Airbnb.
925
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,360
This year I stayed in a in a
regular hotel.
926
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,400
The conference is good.
It's some of the panels.
927
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,640
It's a mixed bag of panels.
There's a lot of stuff that
928
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,200
doesn't interest me particularly
and there's stuff that does and
929
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,000
they want me to be on panels.
So we'll see what happens next
930
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,560
year.
The, IT was very, for lack of a
931
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,280
better word, it was a little too
woke.
932
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,240
And what I, what I mean by that
is I, I think they tried to.
933
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,520
And here's the thing that having
said that, the younger people at
934
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:34,160
the conference pushed back on
that, that, you know, which was
935
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,320
which kind of made me feel good
because the, the one thing they
936
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,600
were talking like the first, the
first day of the conference,
937
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,520
they were talking about, you
know, having the idea of
938
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,080
bringing a therapist on the
road, you know, as a crew member
939
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,640
And, and, and everybody's like,
no, no, no, no, we're not going
940
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,640
to bring a therapist on their
own.
941
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,520
The one thing I will say about
the conference in that respect,
942
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,640
besides the, the technical and,
you know, there was like
943
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,800
meetings about security and tour
management and production
944
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,720
management and the lighting
round tables.
945
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,640
But the one thing that I thought
was kind of cool is is bringing
946
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:09,120
awareness to not just mental
health, but like physical health
947
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,040
and trying to make the, the road
a bit better.
948
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,040
And it's only awareness.
Like I said, we're not going to
949
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,520
bring a therapist.
You know, even even people were
950
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,000
like, we're, we're going to have
18 hour work days.
951
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,320
The show was going to happen,
you know, and, and I think that
952
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,280
most people realize that we're
not the young people aren't
953
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,640
trying to change the business to
where you do 1 show a week so
954
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,880
you can get a good night's sleep
and, and not travel too hard or
955
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,240
work too hard.
I really think that most of the
956
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:38,080
people are it's like one person,
she said.
957
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,520
When I work 18 hours and threw
three in a row as I wear it like
958
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,080
a badge of honor, you know,
because it's hard work and we
959
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,480
did it.
So, you know that that that that
960
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,000
I kind of got from the
conference that it was, you
961
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,040
know, it's the young people are
pushing back and want to work
962
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,440
hard and they realize what it
takes to put it together a
963
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,600
shelf.
But there's also.
964
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,880
The, the thing that I found
really good about the conference
965
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,000
was that just that because like,
you know, a lot of these schools
966
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,400
that these kids are going to
don't tell them about, you're
967
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,360
going to work 18 hours, you're
going to work seven days a week,
968
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,120
you're going to give up your
family life.
969
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,720
And it's a, it's a big
commitment.
970
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,840
It's not just a job.
And then these kids get out on a
971
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,960
tour and they're like, oh, this
isn't what I signed up for.
972
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,000
This isn't what I was told.
So I did like that about it.
973
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,560
And a lot of the conversations
telling these new people coming
974
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,400
into the industry that this is
what, it's not all glitz and
975
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,000
glamour.
This is what it really is.
976
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,240
Yeah.
And, and you know, as, as I
977
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:37,960
said, I found most of the young
people I talked to were aware
978
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,960
and, and willing because they
had that much passion about
979
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,360
doing it.
You know, and, and I, I think
980
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,760
that she's a, she's a very young
tour manager, but she said, she
981
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,560
said, I think that the industry
needs to recognize the crews
982
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,040
need to be valued and not
expendable.
983
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,640
And I said, I agree, that's a
very good way to put it, that
984
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,000
crews should be valued and not
being told they're expendable
985
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,920
unless they are, you know,
because in the old days when I
986
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,680
started, it's like there's five
guys behind.
987
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,520
It'll take your job in a minute.
And The thing is, though, if
988
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,840
there's a guy behind me, he's
going to take my job because I
989
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,720
suck, then so be it.
But yeah, exactly, exactly.
990
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,280
You know, so you're expendable
if you don't work hard and if
991
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,520
you suck.
But but I understand what what
992
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,360
she was saying.
And that made a lot of sense.
993
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,800
Cool.
Interesting, very interesting.
994
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,840
They're going to do this
conversation.
995
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:45,400
I had a friend of mine.
I have a friend of mine, Hidei
996
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Hideiaki.
I'm sorry, I'm a little froggy
997
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,680
right now, but my my buddy
Hideiaki used to work for me.
998
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,560
He became a professor in Texas
and he he hadn't like he was
999
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,880
doing finals with his kids where
they were supposed to get come
1000
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,880
in and, you know, light his show
a little bit for him in order to
1001
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,440
prove they could do it.
And when he went there, he saw
1002
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,640
that there was a Ryder truck
that was parked.
1003
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,320
And he, he basically said, and
he pointed to the Ryder truck
1004
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,880
and he goes, OK, Susie, you're
up.
1005
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,720
The last guy, he's just now put
the last of the gear into that
1006
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,840
truck.
Now you're going to open that
1007
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,880
truck and pull everything out
and set it all up off in the
1008
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,520
beginning and like your show,
and then return it to the truck
1009
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,480
as he did anyway.
That's great.
1010
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,600
That's that's, that's a life
learning lesson really quick.
1011
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Yeah.
Well, I think that that's a big
1012
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,600
question these days of what the
universities are teaching people
1013
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,320
and are they really ready for
the kind of jobs that are out
1014
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,120
there.
I don't think they are.
1015
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,160
I think they are.
They're.
1016
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,440
Because.
The university.
1017
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,320
They're not being pushed.
They're not.
1018
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,520
You know, it's not like the old
days where you know, you, you
1019
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,360
start working in a lighting shop
like AAC Factor or a bash and
1020
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,240
you just thrown out there and
it's a sink or swim, you know,
1021
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,960
kind of thing.
Now you know, everyone is, you
1022
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,800
know, triggered and emotional
and then, you know, not wanting
1023
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,480
to work as hard.
Not everyone, but a lot of them,
1024
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,120
you know, so.
It's well on the other hand, we
1025
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,520
keep.
Running good ones now.
1026
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,880
Now, on the other hand, we keep
running into like, you know,
1027
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,360
we've got these Pat McKay
diversity and design
1028
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,680
scholarships that John and Late
Switch have generously supported
1029
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,760
for the past two years.
And on some of these interviews,
1030
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,040
these kids are like, well, I
have a rental company and I own,
1031
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,200
you know, 3 grand Ma's and I
drive up and down Oklahoma and
1032
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,600
I'm the only person in the state
that has them and I can't rent
1033
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,040
them out fast enough.
And you're like, yeah, that he
1034
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,280
knows you know what he's doing.
It's, you know.
1035
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,240
These kids are amazing.
There's a lot of, there's a lot
1036
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,800
of really sharp kids out there,
but you know, piling on a little
1037
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,440
bit to, to what Craig said, Like
a lot of times when I'm hiring
1038
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,360
people or when I'm interviewing
people, you find that like a lot
1039
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,960
of these, and I hate to use the
word, but a lot of these woke
1040
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,920
concepts come up during
interviews where it's like
1041
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,000
entirely focused on how much
vacation time or it's entirely
1042
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,560
focused on.
What's in it for me?
1043
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,040
You know, not what can I do for
you, but what's in it for me?
1044
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,040
And so, yeah, I mean, some of
that stuff becomes a bit
1045
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,600
challenging.
However, you know, I run a
1046
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,760
completely remote business that
really celebrates people having
1047
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,160
free time, free space, the
ability to pick up their kids,
1048
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,120
drop off their kids, go to the
soccer game in the afternoon,
1049
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,920
all of that kind of stuff.
So, you know, I know we're
1050
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,920
pulling away from that now, like
a lot of companies who did I
1051
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,440
read about today, another big
company is pulling all their
1052
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,560
staff back into the office and
stuff.
1053
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,440
And, you know, that's a bit
tragic because I think that's
1054
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,960
one of the things that I love
during COVID is that people
1055
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,400
could work from home.
And, you know, I happen to
1056
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,480
believe in that.
For every company.
1057
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,280
No, For my company and a lot of
companies, yes.
1058
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,040
So hi, Jeff Rabbits.
Hey, hi.
1059
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,600
We're the same way, Marcel.
We're, we're brick, we're brick
1060
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,200
and mortar offices, but but we
have a lot of people that work
1061
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,480
remotely as well.
We don't care so long as you get
1062
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,880
the work done.
But I think one of the
1063
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,920
challenges we see is unrealistic
expectation alignment from
1064
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,320
particularly higher education.
You know, kids have come to us
1065
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,880
because they've been told by
their professors at university
1066
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,640
that they're going to make 100
grand coming right out of
1067
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,200
school.
And we have people that come to
1068
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,120
us and say, I'm not interested
in the job of them not designing
1069
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,720
shows.
And it's like, well, then we're
1070
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,440
not interested in hiring you.
I'm really sorry.
1071
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,240
We just can't, we just can't do
that.
1072
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,080
And and not appropriate skill
sets.
1073
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,920
People coming to us with a, with
bachelor's qualifications in
1074
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,680
design that don't know how to
draft in 3D.
1075
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,960
People coming to us who have
told their professors they want
1076
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,400
to work in concert touring and
have been taught the EOS.
1077
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,800
Nothing wrong with the EOS, but
if you want to work in concert
1078
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,480
touring, it's useless learning
the EOS.
1079
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,640
If you want to go work on
Broadway, that's fantastic.
1080
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,240
But it, and I think so many
students don't grasp the notion
1081
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,800
that that most higher education
is, is a fee for service
1082
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,840
business.
And they're going to tell you
1083
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,080
what they think you want to hear
to get your money.
1084
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,720
And if you think this is like
going to middle school or high
1085
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,600
school, that there's something
symbiotic there, this is a
1086
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,560
business proposition.
If the school isn't delivering
1087
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,120
what you what you want, you
should go to a different school
1088
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,920
because this, this is a bit,
whether you're, whether you're
1089
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,960
on a scholarship or not,
somebody is paying for you to be
1090
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,720
there.
So I think helping students
1091
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,920
understand that they should be
educated consumers of their
1092
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,720
education experience would be
really super helpful and.
1093
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,520
It's just the the education
system is just leading into the
1094
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,320
entitlement of some of these
kids where, you know, we see it
1095
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,160
a lot with with techs now that
you know, like you have show
1096
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,120
guys that you know, oh, you're
not doing a show, come into the
1097
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,240
shop and help with the shop.
Well, no, I don't, I don't work
1098
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,440
in the shop.
That's beneath me.
1099
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,920
Like, no, that's it's not how it
works in the real world.
1100
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Yeah, good luck.
Good luck doing a show without
1101
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,800
decent people in the shop.
If you don't have decent people
1102
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,200
in the shop, it's true.
There's, there's a guy in the UK
1103
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,880
called Lee Dennison, some of you
might know him, a really good
1104
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,480
guy.
He used to go around and do
1105
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,160
talks with White Light when he
worked at White Light and he
1106
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,440
would go into further education
colleges and he would sit down.
1107
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,160
The first question he would ask
tells the story.
1108
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,360
You sit down and ask people who
am I, what have I done and who
1109
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,200
what am I about?
And the students were going, I
1110
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,840
don't know.
And it's like you can go and
1111
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,480
fart is the attitude change,
right?
1112
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,960
You could go and type his name
in and say you've got an
1113
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,680
industry expert, he's coming in
to talk to you.
1114
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,880
They give you guidance, career
support.
1115
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,280
You don't know who you're
saying.
1116
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Well, you can go look him up and
find out what his background is
1117
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,240
or anything like that.
Nobody would do that.
1118
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,720
And so it's just a, it's just a
mental, it's even.
1119
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,240
Worse than that, because I'll.
Interview being proactive.
1120
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,680
You know, I'll interview people
and I'll say, you know, tell me
1121
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,800
one thing about my company.
They can't, right?
1122
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,800
You know, and, but yet when I
was being interviewed by people,
1123
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,160
I would know everything about
their company, you know, and.
1124
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,800
The Internet you were looking
at.
1125
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,040
It's even easier now.
Yeah, you can literally on the
1126
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,160
bus on the way to your
interview, 10 minutes, right,
1127
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,400
Instagram, know everything you
need to know you can get past.
1128
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:12,520
It's the.
Information.
1129
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,240
Ignorance is a choice.
Right, Pat McKay always used to
1130
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,240
say.
Pat McKay always used to say.
1131
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,800
If her name was spelled wrong on
the cover letter, the whole
1132
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:26,520
thing went in the trash.
Damn, no wonder I never got a.
1133
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:33,360
Response from her.
Hey Jeff, what's new in LA?
1134
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:41,080
It's hot today.
We just never know, but in about
1135
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,200
3 hours it'll be down to like 40
or 50.
1136
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,360
It's just we're in that period
of time where you walk out the
1137
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,960
door in the morning with a
heavy.
1138
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,160
Jacket and three hours later
you're stripping it off, so you
1139
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,560
know.
Come to Chicago, Jeff Rabbits.
1140
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:57,920
We'll show.
We'll show you about a heavy
1141
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:58,800
jacket, mate.
Yeah.
1142
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,760
Yeah.
No kidding.
1143
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,160
I I take my time in Chicago.
Yeah, I know.
1144
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,880
I know it.
Was 86.
1145
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,320
It was 86 even by the water
here, Jeff.
1146
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,080
So it's got to be hot where you
are.
1147
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,200
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1148
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,880
Anyway, all good, though.
Not much happening.
1149
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,800
Things are, you know, beginning
to wind down.
1150
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,760
I've got a little bit more work
between now and the holidays and
1151
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,400
then I'm turning it off.
Right.
1152
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,080
Wow, good for you.
Yeah, taking a break.
1153
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,160
Is anybody doing anything like
incredibly amazing between now
1154
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,720
and the end of the year work
wise?
1155
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,120
Man, New Year's Eve
entertainment's gonna suck.
1156
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,240
Yeah.
It's true.
1157
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,600
Sounds like it.
Well, last night, last night,
1158
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,080
Eggshell Lighting did the grand
opening for Cirque du Soleil's
1159
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:57,800
first theatre here in Honolulu.
Yeah, they what they brought all
1160
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,280
the gear.
They bought it, you know, from
1161
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,240
Vegas and like to do the show
that would, you know, we did
1162
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,000
the, the red carpet, the
interview space, the lights to
1163
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,400
the sky.
And I also debuted the Minute
1164
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,880
Uni Photon and Dice and their
entertainment stage after the
1165
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,720
event.
They all went really, really
1166
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,840
well.
What show is it?
1167
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,520
It's actually called a wanted.
It is a written and modified for
1168
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,000
Hawaii production.
Where is it?
1169
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,240
It's in Waikiki.
It's in the Waikiki Beachcomber,
1170
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,400
but actually, yeah.
And it's it's certainly the
1171
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:44,080
largest approach for a
theatrical type show that's ever
1172
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:44,720
happened there.
And.
1173
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,280
It's in there.
They they put one of their own
1174
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,200
structures up for it on the
property or is it in the
1175
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,280
theater?
There was a previous theater for
1176
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,920
John and Hirakawa, the Magic of
Polynesia, and that audience was
1177
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,840
starting to wane.
And they really strip the
1178
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,080
theater and turn it into you.
You know, it's it's them all
1179
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,280
everywhere, plenty of branding
and it's not just a theater
1180
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,560
where something's happening.
Just to see now we're on a 2 day
1181
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,800
turn around and we do Andrew
Schultz, I guess he's the a
1182
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,600
comedian goes in on Friday, show
Saturday and that'll be the last
1183
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:23,520
for.
Experience, by the way, you
1184
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,960
should go see it.
Yeah, well.
1185
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:25,760
It's a.
It's a.
1186
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,720
Great show.
I will indeed.
1187
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,240
We just did Joe Koi for three
nights.
1188
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,760
That went really well and our
calendar is looking very good
1189
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,160
for next year, so.
Good for you man.
1190
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,800
I'm proud of everyone here.
Who are?
1191
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:48,560
What was that?
Who are the designers for the
1192
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,720
show?
Do you know who did the
1193
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:55,760
lighting?
I think the designers are most
1194
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,480
of the district camp.
Right.
1195
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,240
Give me a second, I'll get back
to you.
1196
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,200
I'm.
Sorry, I'll look it up.
1197
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,280
I'll I'll Google.
It Luke plus.
1198
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,920
Fortune is back.
Like there's some new show going
1199
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,040
into Vegas or something and it's
Luke designing it.
1200
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,960
Will Luke read?
I thought he was gone.
1201
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:15,240
And he just redid me stare and
he's redoing Oh I didn't hear
1202
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,720
about a new one but he did just
redo 2.
1203
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,560
But wasn't he, like I said, he
retired or something?
1204
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:22,600
I.
Haven't heard Luke's name in
1205
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,000
ages.
He basically did, but they they
1206
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,399
pulling him out of retirement.
It's kind of a cool concept to
1207
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,520
bring the original guy back to
redo.
1208
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:31,319
Yeah, very.
Cool.
1209
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:32,560
Yeah, it's very cool.
I like Luke.
1210
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,479
He's a, he's an interesting.
Phenomenal.
1211
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,359
Well, considering that they get
royalties, I think he may have
1212
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:44,040
first right of refusal.
I can I can tell you that Benny
1213
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,479
Kirkham was the the programmer
for this girl.
1214
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,800
Very cool.
He actually came out here.
1215
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,200
We spent a lot of time, you
know, off and on.
1216
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,120
It's the Last Vegas and then he
can't finally comes in in my
1217
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,200
neighborhood and neither of us
hasn't much time and I wouldn't
1218
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,200
see him again until the recent
LDI there we there we were
1219
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,640
again.
So it's kind of funny that he
1220
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,439
came into my neighborhood for
three months never had time.
1221
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,000
This is the way it goes.
And how is the show?
1222
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,800
I haven't seen it yet.
It's it's tonight we the first
1223
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:20,080
step paying audience.
Oh cool, based on Hawaiian
1224
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,359
culture.
Yes.
1225
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,399
Bob, Bob, have you seen the
picture from the dinosaur thing
1226
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:33,200
where I think Seth Jackson
posted it where there's like 6
1227
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,000
guys and they're all holding
your coffee but you're not in
1228
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:37,560
the picture?
Yeah.
1229
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:42,760
I did.
I did see that post.
1230
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,200
I was pretty honored.
Thank you.
1231
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,399
Yeah, it's a good picture.
Great picture.
1232
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,319
As always, you.
Were with traditions.
1233
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,400
I don't know the lighting
designer because his name is
1234
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,640
Hugo Mercier Bosani.
I know who he.
1235
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,240
Is there you go.
You do.
1236
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,840
I think I actually met him.
I think he was at the Formula
1237
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,840
One thing that I went to with
Craig Burrows in Miami a few
1238
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,800
months ago in April.
Cool, yeah.
1239
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,560
I'm pretty sure he was there.
Yeah.
1240
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,800
I think I remember him telling
me about that show, in fact.
1241
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:23,040
Well, there you go.
Hey, Speaking of going, I got to
1242
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:31,200
head off.
I think we all do at this
1243
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,880
point.
Look at this.
1244
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,360
Wait, how did I do it?
I don't know.
1245
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,320
Fist bump.
I don't know.
1246
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,520
How do you do balloons?
I don't know.
1247
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,680
You did it before.
There are you?
1248
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,560
Are you done way?
Have you done Confetti now?
1249
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:08,280
I don't know, I.
Don't know how to make it
1250
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,960
happen.
Me neither.
1251
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,720
I can't do it.
Oh well.
1252
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,040
Wave your hands again.
There.
1253
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,840
Go to bed.
Yeah, I know.
1254
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,880
Patrick.
Patrick, go eat dinner or
1255
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,720
something.
That's too.
1256
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,680
Early for that.
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1257
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,640
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Hello, it's me Sarah and I've
got a huge confession to make.
2
00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:12,160
So we have just had a lovely
Christmas get frigging Christmas
3
00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:18,120
Eve with Geezers of Gear podcast
and I forgot to record half of
4
00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,800
it.
So I hope you enjoy the last
5
00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,440
hour of it.
We had some really wonderful
6
00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,320
people that came on to join us
to raise a glass.
7
00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,160
There was some good chats.
I was very silly.
8
00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:38,320
We weren't recording on
Riverside like I am now, We was
9
00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,880
recording in Rome and I looked
down making sure everything's
10
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,000
being recorded and it's got on
my little icons at the bottom
11
00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:47,920
stop record.
And I was like, Oh, well, I
12
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,280
didn't press anything, but it
must automatically be recorded.
13
00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,040
So I was happy.
You know, we were chatting, you
14
00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,800
know, Marcel didn't say
anything.
15
00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,640
And not that, you know, it
wasn't up to him.
16
00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,360
It was up to me to press the
record button.
17
00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,200
And I'm thinking what?
We must be doing it.
18
00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,000
And then also he got into 50
minutes and I went, my little
19
00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,720
brain went, no, this there is
another button.
20
00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,960
So I looked down at other icons
and I'm looking, it's the first
21
00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,040
time we've recorded on the Roam
and I looked and there it was
22
00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,960
hit record for video.
So guys, everyone that turned up
23
00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,720
at the beginning, people were
coming and going.
24
00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:30,480
I do apologize, really, I, I, I
feel very, very, very silly, but
25
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,920
I do apologize for not recording
it all.
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00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,760
But the last hour that we have,
I hope that everybody enjoys it.
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Thank you again for everybody
who showed up.
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Thank you for the messages for
people that couldn't come and I
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00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,800
wish everybody a very, very
happy holidays festive season.
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And here is to a fantastic 2025.
Cheers.
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Thank you for joining me for a
special episode #284 of Geezers
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of Gear.
Get friggin festive.
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No, I was.
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What?
Was the deal with that?
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That was a Clay Paki thing that
I think happened like right as I
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had joined Group One or
something like that.
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It was obviously a huge deal.
They.
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Had them all.
Yeah, yeah.
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No, I remember.
Well, before you jumped on, we
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were just talking about the, the
gold BI that they just launched
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like last week or whatever to
celebrate how many BIS they
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built or whatever.
And I remembered that job with
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the, I think it was 50 or 100
gold golden scans for his, the
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disco in his house or whatever.
The gold golden scan three I
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think was the one that had just
come out then.
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Yeah.
OK.
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So how many of us have had that
golden scan 3IN rigs and been
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like what the hell did I put
this in here for?
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Yeah, it.
Had a hell of a triangle gobo.
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Oh yeah.
We used to have a pool on the
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Dylan tour.
At the end of the night, the big
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freaking ballyhoo of how many
mirrors will go flying across
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the stage.
Because that.
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Double sided tape never really
held them.
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Yeah, it's funny.
At LDI, you know, Andrew Gumpert
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does the the lighting museum
thing around the the bar area
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and he had, I think it was a
super scanned zoom from Clay
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Packie.
And I, upon closer inspection,
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saw that the mirror was actually
just a shiny piece of cardboard
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that he cut out to slap on there
because you can't find the
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mirrors anymore.
That's that's that's very Andrew
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improvising.
Yeah, but it'll make it shiny
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enough.
It's ready for rent, right?
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Got that?
Permanent confusion in it.
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I think you were at a demo that
I had to go do for Disney where
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they were buying lights for
something, I can't remember
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what.
And there was a golden Scan 3 or
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whatever it was.
And I had like a, a robo scan
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12/20 and the designer would go,
I think it was like, I don't
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remember who it was, but the
designer would go, OK, now draw
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me a diagonal line from up here
to down here.
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And I want it to go in nine
seconds and I want it in blue or
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whatever, right?
And so the golden scan would go
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like 1234, like absolutely
smooth and beautiful down here
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and the nicest blue you've ever
seen in your life.
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And the robo.
Scan would go Katharine
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Hepburn's head helicopter.
It was.
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It was the matrix.
It was it would be fresh, fresh,
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fresh, fresh, fresh.
It'd go this way on the way
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there, and then this way on the
way.
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Back.
Like it'd go above on the way
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there and below on the way back
and.
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I remember the.
Designer just looking at me
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going no I just want a straight
line.
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Straight lines are boring.
Who wants to remember anybody
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can do a straight line?
Because the only thing I
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remember is US drinking beers on
Main Street, USA at 3:00 in the
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morning going, my God, nobody
gets to do this.
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It was like the most, you know,
forgotten, forbidden thing at a
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Disney.
Pride.
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Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
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And somebody had cracked out a
12 pack like let's go.
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Healing.
Were you at?
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Were you at Obi's when we did
that Yes thing with I think
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again, it was Roboscan Twelve
20s.
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With Jonathan Smeaton.
Well, I don't think it was
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Smeaton, No.
What I did, I did, yes.
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What it was, Yeah.
No, it was.
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I was with Steven.
I'm thinking even Steven
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Bickford early on where we did,
yes.
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I just remember because Peter
Moore was Peter Moore was
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programming for Smeaton, and I
just remember John Anderson, the
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singer going stop.
Stop, stop, stop, stop.
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Because Peter was going crazy
with these round circle gobos
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and I just remember John
Anderson throwing a complete fit
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saying.
Circles are evil.
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Circles are evil.
No circles.
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I don't want any circles.
Circles are evil.
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No, no cones, right?
Yeah, no cone, no cone gobos.
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We knew how to.
Program in cones, so.
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Right.
Well, there you go.
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Oh, we didn't.
No.
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Once again, another amazing.
Yeah, another amazing designer.
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Steven Bickford.
I don't know how many of you
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folks have ever had a chance to
work with him.
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I'm sure.
Fedo, you, you know, Steven, But
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Jesus.
I did a couple Michael Jackson
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commercials, the cars with him
and a few other tours.
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And Dylan.
Yeah.
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Yeah, He designed a Neil Young
tour they gave me to to LD so,
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yeah.
And I did a cars, you know, back
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at Obie's to the car.
He designed the cars and his
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thing was wearing his T-shirts
inside out at the front house
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while he was running the board.
I'm not sure why that was his
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good luck thing then.
That was on purpose.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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No, he didn't do that.
We did.
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That was.
I did the cars with him in 87
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and he took the entire rig and
painted it orange.
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I don't know if you remember
that one at all.
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That was the last car score.
Fortunately, I missed that one.
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Yeah.
And we did that, the cars.
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The cars thing that's on like
Netflix or something, whatever,
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it's on one of the somebody.
'S playing this came in
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documentary right now, has
anyone seen it?
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No.
What's What's it on?
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There's a Cars documentary on
one of the streaming things I
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don't.
It's on Rick.
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Yeah, it's basically I think
it's.
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Yeah, I think it's on Rick O
Kasich, right.
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No, but which?
Which network is it on?
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Oh, I'm not sure I.
Don't know, I don't watch
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Netflix movies.
Yeah, on movies, Michael, you'll
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remember this one.
How many of the Neil Diamond
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fixtures did you you guys have
left at the end of the the the
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the company, all the purple
stuff?
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Jesus, Oh, my goodness.
I don't know.
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Gee, Feta.
Well, you were you were gone at
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that point, right?
Yeah.
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That was Maryland.
That was a Maryland Lowey
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design, correct?
Yeah.
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Jesus, I'm not sure.
Yeah, I remember seeing fixtures
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and trust and things like spell
that for and they were like,
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don't touch that.
That's all Neil's stuff.
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Yeah.
You're you're you're almost
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going to make me tear up because
I think of Patrick Stansfield
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back then.
God bless him.
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And obviously a lot of our
fallen men.
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Patrick was just an amazing
character.
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And.
And what an ambassador to our
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industry, huh?
Yes, Sir.
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Speaking of which, and I'm not
sure because I haven't seen
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anything on social media yet,
did everybody remember Sarge
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from LSD Nashville?
Yeah.
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Yep.
Sarge passed yesterday.
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Yeah, I saw that.
I didn't see anything about that
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on on the media, but I got a
call from Steve Lorenz about it.
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So and way too freaking young.
Sorry, never even got to geezer
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state.
Yeah, so, so unfortunate thing.
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I I saw it on the line too.
It's like, man, we got too many
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of us falling these days.
We're getting to that age.
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Yes, we are.
Well, you know, I, I tell
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everybody every day I'm above
dirt.
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I'm a happy camper these days,
right?
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We haven't like we're helping
shorten our lives in in any way,
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you know?
You know, back in the day, yeah,
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back in the day, I used to
basically equate our life to
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that of the average fireman.
The roadie was like your
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average, you know, age was 40,
right?
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Because we've actually had a lot
of brothers back in the early
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days, back in the 80s, we had a
lot of them fall to, you know,
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either cocaine habits or
different things and overdoses.
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And today, you know, we're just
finding it to age and to health
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issues and so on.
So we're all, we're all very,
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very fortunate to be above
ground and to be talking about
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our, our, our, what I'd like to
say our easy life compared to
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some of the other people.
When I say that, I don't say
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that the fact that it is easy.
I know how freaking hard all of
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us work.
First in, last out, right?
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But but don't you think one of
these health scientists one of
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these days is going to figure
out like why, you know, Keith
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Richards and and Nikki Sixx and
John Wiseman and, you know, like
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some of these people just.
They've pickled themselves and
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I'm.
Yeah, well, I don't, I don't
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know how many of you guys are,
but I'm celebrating my fifth
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year sobriety because of liver
conditions and.
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And that's.
And that's turned into
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pancreatitis and so on.
So I'm struggling with it every
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day.
And at the end of the day, five
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years ago, I was 60 lbs heavier
than I am today.
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And I'm lucky to be above
ground.
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And I took it for, you know,
face value of all the debauchery
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that I did enjoy back in the
days.
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And now it's haunting me.
But, you know, again, I'm still
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extremely lucky to be in this
business with with all of us and
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enjoying our lives.
You know what we do?
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Yeah.
That.
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That's a good word.
Debauchery.
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It was right.
Yeah.
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We can define our entire careers
with that half of that.
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So and go through the lottery.
How you feeling, Cosmo?
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Great.
Good.
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Good to see you and try to get
down there and see ya.
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We're down in February, so I'll
be in your neck of the woods.
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When do you start ACDC?
In March.
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Oh, OK.
So, yeah, we'll definitely get
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together, get some dinner.
Yeah, I I saw you're coming.
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So.
And you said so that would be
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great.
So you on the show?
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Yeah.
Any shows are you doing with
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ACDC Cosmo?
We have 13 U.S.
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States and then we go to Europe
and I have not seen the entire
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schedule yet, but I figure 18,
maybe 20 so.
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Europe in the summer.
Yeah, we did.
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We did 24 last summer.
We didn't do anything in
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Scandinavia.
We did.
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We did.
There's a lot of, and even in
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the States, we're doing 13
cities and we're not doing a
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show in New York, San Francisco,
Denver, I mean, lots of places,
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Seattle.
So I'm hoping we come back in
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2026.
Very cool.
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Very cool since the racing
season going there, Marcel,
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Season's over, right?
He didn't race this year.
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He he's coaching and doing all
kinds of training stuff.
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And yeah, I mean, it's he, he
lost his funding this year,
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let's say.
So he's he's working like a
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working stiff.
It's funny because I read an
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article today that said now
karting is a multi millionaire's
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sport.
Karting is no longer a, a
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grassroots racing thing,
Karting.
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And so half the kids that he's
coaching are like one of the
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kids, I think actually one of
the kids he coaches is in this
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article.
It's a Washington Post article
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that came out yesterday or today
or something.
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And one of the kids he coaches
is the kid in the article.
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His dad owns a bunch of dating
sites.
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I forget what they're called.
I've never been on dating sites,
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so I don't know.
But he, you know, he's a
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gazillionaire and they're paying
millions of dollars for karting.
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Go karts.
Maybe it's an opportunity for
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him to get a new sponsorship.
Yeah, that's what he's always
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thinking.
You know, he's like, if I hang
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out with billionaires, sooner or
later it's going to rub.
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Off.
Right, Yeah, yeah, it'll rub off
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at some point, but yeah, I don't
know.
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It's it's just the sport has
become a weird sport, but.
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And it's was never for the poor,
so.
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No, it, it never has been a poor
person sport, but it's never
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been like it is today where it's
a billionaire sport.
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You know, it's like our next
step in Europe was supposed to
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be Formula 3.
Formula Three now is about €2
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million and like just five years
ago it was €500,000, which is
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still a lot of money, but €2
million is is unachievable.
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It's.
Like.
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Well, Gordie and the companies,
a couple of companies in the UK
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sponsored a guy in the British
Touring Car Championship, yeah,
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which is sort of saloon cars,
right.
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And it was about two hundred
300,000 yeah, back used to get
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which would run the whole
season, maybe a bit more.
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That way.
Yeah, that's the.
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Point He ended up becoming
800,000 to stay competitive.
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Yeah, GT cars.
GT cars in comparison to what my
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kid races open wheel is still
reasonable.
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You know when, when you, when
you compare them.
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But you know, like everyone's
talking about this kid Liam,
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Liam Lawson, who's just gone
into F1 and how he's grassroots
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made it up through all the
series and blah, blah, blah.
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Well, his grandfather, we
happened to know him because we
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raced against him in Formula
Ford in Europe a few years ago.
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And his grandfather gave him
€150 million to get through
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Formula 432 and 1:00 to get into
Formula One.
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So €150 million.
Even all the formula, even even
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the talented Formula One drivers
all have had some kind of
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Hamilton had Mercedes backing,
you know, and Perez has got all
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the Mexico money.
Max had Dad's money and it's
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fun.
Do you know what I mean?
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They've all had some kind of
serious support.
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No, it's insane.
Yeah, but it's worse.
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Now it's worse.
Now like we have a we.
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Have a friend who's in.
We have a friend who's in
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IndyCar right now who his name
is Kiffin Simpson.
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His dad paid $40 million to get
him into IndyCar.
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Man, back when I was. 18 It was
not even close to being that
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expensive when I raced.
Not even.
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No, it's never been like this,
you know, And by the time you
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got to IndyCar, you were being
paid.
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You weren't paying to get into
IndyCar.
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You weren't paying to get into
Formula One.
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But that's all changed now.
I mean, you know you're not.
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Bitter he's just trying to make
a living off of it like there's
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in Miami they're opening tracks
right now like club tracks for
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these mega rich people who are
racing their Lamborghinis and
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stuff and like the Formula One
temporary track that goes around
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the football stadium in Miami is
now becoming a permanent track
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and you can buy memberships
there for $1,000,000.
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So all these guys with their GT3
Rs and their Lamborghini and
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their whatever are buying
memberships there.
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And so he's talking to the
people who run that track to go
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in as a coach slash Co driver
when there's races and stuff
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because these guys, they'll run
these Pro Am races.
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So he's the pro there, the
amateur.
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And so there's a lot of money to
be made in doing that.
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And like somebody else said, you
know, you're rubbing shoulders
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with billionaires.
Why not?
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So he's good with it.
He understands his place in
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life.
You know, dad's in the lighting
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business.
I can't afford to be a race car
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driver.
Or a race car supporter.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, But you know, it's funny
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because my, my girlfriend's
nephew, she's British and her
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nephew is a very hot prospect in
the UK right now.
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And he's 15 years old and he
recently was signed by Arsenal.
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And not only do they pay for all
his schooling, all his training,
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all his coaching, all his
everything, but they're paying
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him and his family there.
He's got a Nike sponsorship.
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He's got like he's set for life.
And he's 15 years old and
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they've never spent real money
like his dad is, has got a, a
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soccer Academy or football
Academy.
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And so he's trained him since he
was like 1 year old or whatever,
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right?
But it's different.
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You know, they've got this
support thing where they, they
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raise these kids up through the
very most junior leagues all the
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way up into the pros.
And you don't have to have, you
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know, millions of dollars to, to
be a pro.
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Yeah, but isn't soccer in the UK
and Europe comparable to what we
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do with football here?
I mean, by the time kids are in
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high school, they've already got
their college path now with NIL
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things or whatever that NFT or
whatever that name, NIL name,
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image, likeness.
I mean, you know, good Lord, by
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the time a kid's a senior in
high school, if he's good and
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outstanding, he's got the next
eight years of his life.
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You've already got pro teams
recruiting him by the time he
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gets to be a freshman or a
sophomore in college.
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Very similar to I think what the
what the soccer system is where
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the.
There's some.
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Support you're.
Talking.
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About.
Well, yeah.
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And when you're talking about
with the racing that's elite,
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that's like kind of saying I
want to be, you know, a horse
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race person.
I mean, you got to have a budget
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to start with in that field.
It's not something that is
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readily available for you in a
school program, so.
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In the soccer world, you're
they're picking them up younger
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though, they're picking up 789.
And so around our support and
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quite a support of my local
team, but we aren't at the top.
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But they, they come and scout
our seven or eight-year olds at
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the big clubs like the Arsenal,
Chelsea's, whatever.
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And we'll come and pay for
$10,000 to one of our kids to
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put them into their Academy.
But they go through it.
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I'd be willing to.
Bet it's very similar here with
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football.
I'd live down the street from
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Shamanad Madonna, which is a
school that has ranked as a
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state champion and had huge
stars come out.
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And they already are talking
about the freshman players that
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are going into this school as
being stars.
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And they're not even.
They're just in their first year
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of high school.
Yeah.
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So that's right, that's. 15
years old. 16 years old.
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But but they could.
But but we've.
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Also got, I mean, soccer is now
popular in the States, but but
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football was the major support
and you had all of the, the
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little leagues and the young
kids and the peewees and, you
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know, same thing with baseball,
just a different, just a
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different society.
I, I was just trying to make the
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difference between the, the
correlation between soccer and
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or race car driving.
I'm I'm not sure that's the same
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as race car driving and say,
being a polo person, if that's
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your sport, you need horses and
all that crap.
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I.
Don't think any of us can afford
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polo.
Thank you very much.
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I don't think many of us can
afford horse race car racing
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either at the what the prices
you guys were quoting.
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That's a very expensive sport.
It's funny because here I live
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in Wellington, which is like
the, they call it the cold
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weather equestrian capital of
the world.
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So you've got like Jeremy
Jacobs, who owns the Boston
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Bruins, lives here.
Bill Gates has a house here,
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Bruce Springsteen has a house
here.
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Like all these guys who have
these, these kids who do
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dressage or show jumping or
whatever it is.
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So anyways, I was sitting at A
at a restaurant, having a drink
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at the bar one day and sitting
talking to this guy next to me.
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And you know, what do you do?
What do you do?
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You got any kids?
Yeah.
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What do you do?
Your kids play football?
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No, no, my kids a racing driver.
Oh.
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So I you know, I start crying
about how expensive it is to be
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a racing driver.
And he goes, Marcel, have you
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ever tried to field a polo team?
And I said no.
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And he said.
He said.
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I spent $35 million last year
and I said, OK, you win.
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Sorry, you win.
Different.
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Level there, Sir.
Wow.
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Well and Wellington not for
nothing is a little hoity toity
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Chris horse town as well.
It's it's very it's not the
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well, you know, being a native
Floridian, I remember when Ocala
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was a little 2 bit western town.
That was the horse.
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Yeah, it's different now
Florida, and now it's like the
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Southern Kentucky.
Big town, small town.
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That's 35 mils.
A lot to pay for what's going to
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end up as glue.
Everybody I got.
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To.
Go to another meeting.
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Good seeing everyone have a
great holiday.
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Cheers.
Merry Christmas, all.
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Yes, Gordon, there's I'm going
to, I'm going to bounce out
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until you guys take care of
yourself.
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It's good.
Good checking in with everybody,
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Marcel.
All right.
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Thanks for putting this
together.
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It's great.
Nice meeting you, Michael.
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You guys have happy holidays.
All right.
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All right.
Thank you, mate.
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Bye.
Bye.
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Seriously, how many?
How many Mac ones did you sell
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at at LTI?
You put, you said, you said on a
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podcast.
Warranty.
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They're still under warranty.
You only launched them last
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year, Goldie.
Not even a year.
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Old Oh, I meant.
V ones, yeah.
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V ones, V ones.
V ones still under warranty.
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Oh, by the way, did anyone see
Cosmo?
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You probably saw the Vera light,
the El 5. 5141 or 1541, That's
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a.
Dumbass name, but anyways it was
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a very novel.
Was it a fixture or was it a
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console?
No, it's a fixture.
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I think you're right.
What what you said in your sum
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up, they must sell on it from a
competitor point of view.
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Is it the finish?
Is it where we're all going to
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end up?
No, but it's the journey to get
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in there and I think.
Yeah, it's the journey.
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Not the destination.
Yeah.
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And I think, I think, I think
it's, but we all sort of sat
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around and talked about it and I
think everyone else will have
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done and it's just what where
can that go?
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That was interesting to watch.
It's an interesting.
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As long as yours is in 120 lbs.
Sorry.
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As long as the Martin 1 isn't
£120 like the Verilite 1 is.
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Is it £120 that light?
Yep, serious 120 lbs.
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Did they throw out any prices?
No.
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Because that's the other.
Thing they're saying.
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It's made in.
They're saying it's made in
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Texas.
But you know, how expensive is
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it gonna be?
Like, I don't know, My, my, my
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gut feeling, like if I was a
designer, I'd be looking at it
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going, yeah, it's cool.
Do I need it?
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Like, where can I use this
thing?
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You know, is it something I
gotta have?
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I don't see it.
Well, ultimately for a lot of
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that stuff, it's, it's about
making a compelling case to the
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client, you know, and does it do
something that you can't get any
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other fixture to do that makes
it worth a premium.
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And I think it's an interesting
concept.
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I didn't see the thing.
Patrick, do you see it?
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Yeah, I I did and and I saw it
with Marcel, actually.
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Yeah, and Oh yeah.
Was was wildly unimpressed by
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it.
I think it was the only person
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who was kind of being honest
about.
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I thought it was kind of
lackluster.
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Right, but you're not the only
person I've heard say that mate.
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It did.
It's interesting.
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And I liken it to GLP originally
taking that leap to put an LED
519
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light engine in a moving head.
And we had, we had all been
520
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,960
begging for that as a Holy Grail
for the longest time and get
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away from discharge lamps.
And they did it.
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00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,640
And we all went, yeah, not good.
Enough.
523
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Because it wasn't bright enough
to to make the impact, but
524
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,520
someone had to break that
technology and, and take the
525
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,320
hit, right.
And I see this as being that
526
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,600
when you know, they've got the
intensity, it's very cool.
527
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,480
It does something unique, but
it's ultimately too resolution
528
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,840
enough right now to to make the
impact.
529
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Like if you're going to sell it
to theatre designers because
530
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000
they can do amazing fire and
water effects and everything,
531
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,960
they're going to look at it and
go, yeah it does, but God damn,
532
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,920
it's 8 bit and really choppy.
So I can get a projector
533
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,880
projector I'll just stick with.
A twin spin.
534
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,720
Well, that's the thing.
You do a fire effect with just
535
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280
about every fixture out there.
No ones going to go oh, but that
536
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760
ones a digital fire effect
precisely.
537
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,960
And I think even the thing
they're just, I applaud them for
538
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760
pioneering the way with this
technology.
539
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,960
I think it's going to be very
cool in five.
540
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,960
Years.
It reminded me very much of the
541
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,480
DL1 and DL2 where great concept
poorly executed.
542
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Which?
Fix.
543
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560
You remember the you remember
the Medusa?
544
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Yeah, I I felt it was a continue
on from that is what I felt.
545
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Well, that was actually
ironically enough, that was
546
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,720
precisely what I had said to
Marcel about it, because I was
547
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960
talking about how the
technologies of these things and
548
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,560
Medusa was one of those things
leads to other stuff.
549
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,640
So one of the, the little known
things about the, the Medusa
550
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,280
project, which which ultimately
came Icon M, which had a grand
551
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:40,800
total of I think 32 units
globally made that had a a timer
552
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,080
in it that was able to.
They had to figure out a way
553
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,640
with this thing projecting
digital imagery to index the
554
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,880
gobos perfectly together so that
when you you stopped something,
555
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,880
they, they would stay linked.
So just like indexing gobos in
556
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,160
general and they figured out how
to basically make all the other
557
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,680
lights in a chain follow the
first guy and they would sync to
558
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,560
him.
It was sort of like a a poor
559
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800
man's genlock, if you will, for
videos broadcast.
560
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,840
And ultimately that was the
technology digitally that they
561
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,920
used in the M box to synchronize
the QuickTime videos across
562
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,040
multiple M boxes.
So you know that whereas the
563
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,120
Icon M you could say failed and
just never really made it to
564
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,640
market, the technologies that
came out of that R&D went on to
565
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
pay dividends for them later on.
And I think we're gonna see a
566
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,080
lot of that with this
technology.
567
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040
That's, yeah, I agree.
That's a good assessment.
568
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Yeah, yeah.
Interesting.
569
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Interesting that there was a new
media server at LDI 2 also
570
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360
called Hive, which was a little
confusing.
571
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Yeah, that was that Nigel Sadler
has who originally had green
572
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Hippo or.
Worked for green hippo.
573
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,840
So interesting.
I didn't.
574
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,640
See that video?
People really like that.
575
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Yeah, you've got Nigel Sadler
from Green Hippo, Dave Green
576
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,200
from Ava Lights and Dave D Free.
It's an interesting team there
577
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,480
and a really nice product.
To be honest, it's looking a bit
578
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,000
interesting at at Hive at the
moment it.
579
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Was very well received.
Yeah, that anyone notice how
580
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,080
many new movie like brands there
were at this show that I'd like
581
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,960
never seen before and never
heard of?
582
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Like, there was one funny story
I was on.
583
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,200
You know, one thing funny about
living in South Florida as you
584
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,840
fly back with lots of
interesting people from an LDI
585
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960
show.
So on my flight, you know, there
586
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,200
were Roby people and there were
Chauvet people and there were
587
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:04,680
whatever inner circle people.
And so I had Deanna from Chauvet
588
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,560
right in front of me.
And when we were waiting to get
589
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120
off the plane, I said, hey, how
was your show?
590
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Oh, yeah, we had a great show,
blah, blah, blah.
591
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,400
And I said hey.
Who's that company bollocks like
592
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,159
I never heard of them before and
I saw.
593
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,120
This company bollocks.
Who are they?
594
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:24,440
And she says, or she didn't say
anything.
595
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,639
The guy across the aisle from me
goes, that's me.
596
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,639
And I'm like, oh, hey, who are
you?
597
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,120
Like, I've never seen or heard
of this guy before, right?
598
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,960
So I end up talking to him all
the way through the airport.
599
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,440
And I come to find out that, you
know, Nick Freed, who I
600
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:46,000
basically brought into the
industry, was best friends with
601
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,920
his dad, Dan Fallon, who I know
very well.
602
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,159
And so he brought this kid into
Inner Circle.
603
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,920
He worked at Inner Circle for a
few years and then went and
604
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,640
started his own brand and
imported a bunch of Chinese
605
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,440
stuff and, and off he went.
But a nice booth, really well
606
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,800
designed by Michael Meacham.
You know, the programming I
607
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,400
thought was pretty good.
As a comment.
608
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Yeah, I mean, I, I thought it
was great like it was, you know?
609
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,080
And it's got 12 gobos.
And then it would go through the
610
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,200
different gobos and like the the
voice over and the programming
611
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,560
and the the time coding and
stuff I thought was pretty,
612
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,720
pretty decent.
But there were a bunch of those.
613
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:29,880
Like there were a bunch of sort
of no name Chinese brands that
614
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,000
looked really good at that show,
I thought.
615
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,600
The MA3 clone in Fine Lines
booth.
616
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Yeah, yeah, we talked about.
That all that?
617
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,080
Yeah.
Wild.
618
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Yeah, well.
John Featherstone was just
619
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,440
telling us that he just did a
show over in in UAE.
620
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,320
You tell the story, John.
Yeah, in Saudi Arabia, yeah, the
621
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,640
consoles were the only way I
could tell, you could really
622
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,360
tell the difference was there
were 3 pin XLR instead of fives.
623
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:01,120
It was uncannying, disturbing
level of detail to the quality
624
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,000
to the to the cloning of the
boards.
625
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,760
MA two, though, right, John MA.
Twos, yeah, MA twos.
626
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,400
Yeah.
Interesting that What did they
627
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,000
do for the screens?
I mean, you know, we know the
628
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,720
big issue with twos right now is
that the screens are gone to
629
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,320
shake.
So they, they, we loaded up the
630
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,280
show file we've done in the
States with everything
631
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,880
including, including lock
screens, and it ran just fine.
632
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,440
So they're sourcing.
They're sourcing the screen
633
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,960
somewhere.
Wow.
634
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,920
Same aspect ratios, same level
of touch control.
635
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,960
You know, Chris Herman, who was
programming, he was like, yeah.
636
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
I mean, other than the buttons
sound a bit different.
637
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,800
He's like, you can tell the
difference.
638
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Yeah.
That's, that's going to be
639
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,680
interesting because I know a lot
of guys who are still kind of
640
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,240
not trying to use the three.
And I was like, dude, where are
641
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,200
you going to go?
Because there's not a whole lot
642
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,320
of places left to go with two,
right?
643
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Well, and one would imagine
sooner or later MA are going to
644
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,120
stop supporting it.
They they, it can't be a
645
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,520
sustainable business model for
them.
646
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,000
I.
Think I.
647
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,880
Think technically they are no
longer supporting it, they're
648
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,320
just having to package it with
the, you know, the Graname 3
649
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,160
update software as.
It right right.
650
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,520
I had dinner last night with an
LD from Vegas and he's learning
651
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,120
free, say, he said.
What's the point learning to,
652
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,800
you know, it's going that way,
We've got to work that way.
653
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Very true.
Yeah, At this point everybody's
654
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,800
shifting over to it.
I mean, it's at a point where
655
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,200
it's at least the software on
the three platform is stable
656
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,960
enough where you're not overly
concerned.
657
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
But now it's just the the
frustrations of certain features
658
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,800
of it, which has been been the
same way on each release that
659
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,560
they've ever done.
And the other problem though is
660
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,360
historically between the MA one.
Timeline and the area 2 timeline
661
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,600
and everything else the MA where
will the Chinese?
662
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,680
You know it's going to be up and
done before it's a fully
663
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,480
functioning, viable desk.
Right.
664
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Yeah.
Do we think the Chinese will
665
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,480
catch up on desks?
Do you think the Chinese will
666
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,480
catch up on desks?
I'll tell you what, Gordon, five
667
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,120
years ago I would have said no
way.
668
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,920
But today I would say
absolutely.
669
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840
I think they will absolutely,
because.
670
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080
You think you think you think
it's a big enough market?
671
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,760
Software.
You think it's I think I mean,
672
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,640
certainly, I mean, Ben will back
me up here.
673
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,880
The biggest standing Plaza this
year was beams and actually
674
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,720
bigger than the Roby stand.
And yeah, but that's, that's,
675
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,200
yeah.
But is the market bigger, the
676
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,600
soft, the software development
and the cost of software
677
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,160
development is huge.
So, so from a point of view of
678
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,240
it's a crowded market player
with a place with a two or three
679
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,200
really strong brands and some
really good challenge for brands
680
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,200
already there, I just don't
think there's a yeah.
681
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,160
But I think.
I think it's if a good Chinese
682
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,280
manufacturer like an Acme, a
Golden Sea, one of the big ones,
683
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,440
if they were to produce a desk
that looks similar, feels
684
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,560
similar, does a lot of the same
stuff, works as well as an MA 2
685
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:24,800
for example, or an MA 3 and is
20 five, $30,000 and.
686
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Their.
Model their model is going to be
687
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,920
that they charge 1000 bucks for
software updates.
688
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,560
You know that's how they're
going to do it because right
689
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,400
now, like that's the argument
with Mama, with Avo, with any of
690
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
these companies, any actually
any software company, they're
691
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,480
going to say we charge so much
because we give you free updates
692
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,240
and there's some logic to that.
It costs a lot of money to
693
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,880
support those consoles over the
years, but I think that that's a
694
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,640
model we're going to see.
We're going to see somebody come
695
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,080
out with a $25,000 kick ass
concert touring console with all
696
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,000
the because I mean, I will say
it because because it's true.
697
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,040
But I think MA, some of the
costs for some of the peripheral
698
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,200
stuff is crazy.
You know, the MP, US and stuff
699
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880
like that where you open the
unit up and there's nothing to
700
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,840
it and it's thousands.
Of dollars, yeah, It's basically
701
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,840
a software license box.
Yeah, it's a software license
702
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,800
box, right and.
So.
703
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
That's where I think that could
go.
704
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,760
But you know, you're right.
I mean like the problem is
705
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,960
getting guys like Cosmo and and
whoever, John Featherstone
706
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:40,080
anyone to program a new console
or to learn a new language.
707
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,760
And you've got and you've got to
get market, you've got to get a
708
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320
market adoption really quickly.
As well, because.
709
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Whatever Chinese, whatever
Chinese manufacturer makes it,
710
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,840
they just got to get Bob Gordon
to push it and promote it and
711
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,320
then.
Industry standing.
712
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,840
I just, I just spent, I just
spent, I spent some good time
713
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,200
with Bob Gordon and I think the
the ship has sailed.
714
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880
But you know, we're going to
have to find a new console
715
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,000
importer.
Bobby ain't doing it this time.
716
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960
So you've got, you've got,
you've got to get, you can swap
717
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,200
in movers, you can swap in and
out of those fine.
718
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,600
But you've got to, you've got to
have a hundred, 203 hundred, 400
719
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,360
desks in all the shops.
But do you want to be pretty
720
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,800
damn quick?
Because otherwise, you know
721
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,800
you're not going to get out
there with one or two quick.
722
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,640
But what if?
What if it was a?
723
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Similar console, but it had full
cloning functionality and and
724
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,480
all that.
Kind of stuff like where you.
725
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,840
Can put.
Files from an MA 3 into it.
726
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,280
And you can do 3/3 for the price
of one an AOL.
727
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Yeah, I see that that way Marcel
as well.
728
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,720
I really do.
And.
729
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,600
I think it's going to happen
because the market is big
730
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,080
enough, I believe.
It's all fun.
731
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,880
And games until the
manufacturer, the original 1,
732
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,600
starts putting in little bits of
code that finds the copies.
733
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,400
Yep, and do what?
And crash it into.
734
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,800
It How is Avo doing lately?
Yeah.
735
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,640
It works well.
We, we went through a, a big
736
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:19,720
problem with this stuff on a, on
a global festival client and MA
737
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,760
was directly supporting us for a
long time.
738
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,640
And one, it all came to a
problematic head at one point
739
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,480
where I had a, an MA
representative that flew all the
740
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,400
way to, I think it was like
Bogota or something for this
741
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,640
huge festival we're doing.
And I get the call, I have a
742
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,960
problem here.
I can't support any of this.
743
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,280
And I'm terrified to let anybody
at the office know because I got
744
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,440
here and it's all fake gear.
And so, so now they've sent an
745
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,360
MA Rep to solve the software
issues of a Chinese, full
746
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,440
complement of Chinese product
that's knock off but using their
747
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
software.
And he's like, I don't really
748
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,920
know where to go here.
This is this is a problem.
749
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,200
Yeah, that can be a bit
problematic.
750
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,200
It's a big welcome to Colleen
and Bob.
751
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:17,120
Hi, guys.
Thank.
752
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,560
You.
No, I'm having my favorite tiki
753
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:30,680
bar and.
Where are you, Colleen?
754
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,240
I just, I'm at home, so I'm in
Hendersonville, TN.
755
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:42,320
So time off.
Yes, I got home three days ago
756
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:55,200
so yeah, from what From what
show I was actually I also have
757
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,560
events do other random things
with down for Universal epic
758
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,400
that's in Orlando, so setting up
or what's going to happen in
759
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,840
January so.
Bob, mute your mic.
760
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Oh, sorry, thank you.
You might have to say.
761
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,000
That very loud.
I have no idea what you said,
762
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
Colleen, but.
Exactly.
763
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,760
You got to repeat that.
You're welcome.
764
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Please say that again, Colleen.
I was down in Orlando setting
765
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,360
up, well, getting ready for the
rehearsal process that's going
766
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480
to happen in January for one of
the live shows at Universal
767
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Epic.
So the new theme park that's
768
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,440
opening.
Oh, cool.
769
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Fun.
Yeah.
770
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,560
It's it's very, I help them in
in the pandemic in Beijing.
771
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080
And so it's really interesting
to watch a theme park come
772
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,800
together.
It's very, very different than
773
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,120
concerts.
When does it open?
774
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,440
The actual opening date is May
22nd.
775
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:06,280
The soft opening I believe is
March something.
776
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:13,920
So we, I'm just letting you
know, we have to have, we have
777
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,840
to have one of four casts on
stage ready to go for audience,
778
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,600
for audiences by March 1st.
Wow.
779
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,000
And currently we don't have a
theater.
780
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,760
Good times.
Currently the theater is still
781
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,440
being constructed.
So it's really, it's a it's a
782
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,760
very interesting process to deal
with like the county and like
783
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,840
all of that coming in and being
like, you can't do this.
784
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,320
And why it's there holes in the
stage.
785
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,040
It's like, well, those are for
CO2 fence.
786
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200
Oh, you can't have that.
No, no, no, they just, they just
787
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,000
it's OK.
Nobody's going to get hurt.
788
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,480
It's that kind of thing.
And they're like, oh, that's
789
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520
against regulations.
It's like no, no, no, no.
790
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,280
It's really no, it's really not.
Yeah, it's going to be OK.
791
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,320
I promise everybody.
It's going to be OK.
792
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
It looks different here.
Hasn't done that, you know.
793
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,720
I have to ship out everybody.
I have a lovely wife who's
794
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,880
enjoying a birthday today and
we're off to dinner.
795
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Happy, Happy Christmas, Merry
holidays to everyone.
796
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,360
Hopefully you have more of your
faces next year and you and I
797
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,120
hope everybody has a safe and
happy holiday season.
798
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,240
Happy.
See you later, Martin.
799
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Yeah, this time we're going.
Goodnight.
800
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,880
Oh, I'm going to say hello.
Great seeing.
801
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,000
You.
We're going to.
802
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,760
Bed.
Gorgeous.
803
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560
It's early for gourd.
What the hell?
804
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,240
What happened to Gordon Jesus?
Well, it looked like it looked
805
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,160
like he was drinking milk, but
I'm sure he wasn't drinking
806
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
White Russian.
Yeah, it wasn't milk.
807
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,080
You don't smoke cigarettes with
milk.
808
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Yeah, well, actually, it's
because of Gordon.
809
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,040
I'm actually here.
So thank you, Gordon.
810
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,360
I know you've gone now, but
yeah, Gordon did introduce us.
811
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Yeah.
Gordon's another one of those.
812
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,680
He's another John Wiseman and
Keith Richards.
813
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,000
You know he's pickled like the
man.
814
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,400
The man.
Can do whatever he wants to do,
815
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,360
apparently.
And how well do you know Gordon?
816
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
You must know him Well, yeah.
Legendary.
817
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,680
Yeah, Legend.
There's a There are stories of
818
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,360
Gordon.
So much for sure, so much old.
819
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,200
I I've been with him on most of
those stories, sadly so.
820
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,080
John Wiseman isn't as old as
Keith Richards, is he?
821
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,080
How do you know how old Wiseman
is?
822
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,440
Well, no.
Keith Richards is 80.
823
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,400
John is like 66 I think.
You know, even as old as I sell
824
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,160
in 80.
Months, right?
825
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,720
Yeah, Well, Keith Richards
birthday I think is today.
826
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:00,920
I think I saw.
So is it?
827
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,360
Really.
Yeah, I think is he, what, 81 or
828
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,040
something?
Yep, he's 80.
829
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
I'm going to Google it right now
because I believe it happened.
830
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,360
Yeah, it's today.
It is Keith Richard's birthday.
831
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,240
He is.
Especially.
832
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,160
Amazing.
You're listening.
833
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,160
That blows my mind.
I was talking with Marty Ham
834
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,360
about that because Marty was the
tour manager, I think for the
835
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Stones this year.
And, and he was just talking
836
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,560
about the exercise routine and
stuff that Mick Jagger went
837
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,760
through because, you know, Mick
running up and down the ramps
838
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,000
and like crazy stuff at 81 years
old.
839
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080
Insane.
Just unbelievable.
840
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Blows my mind, I have to say,
you know.
841
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,720
Well, The funny thing is, when
you get to be that age, you
842
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:01,680
don't realize you, don't you?
I mean, it's harder obviously to
843
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,400
do it than when you were 31, but
you don't think you're old.
844
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,280
Yeah, but I'm 60 and I don't
know if I could run back and
845
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,080
forth up and down those ramps.
Yeah, but he's been doing it his
846
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,520
whole life, so.
That's.
847
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:12,920
True.
No.
848
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,000
No other way.
Yeah.
849
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,280
Yeah, he's a pro.
He's a pro.
850
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,560
I tell you.
I really want to be with Bobby's
851
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,120
right now because it looks
lovely.
852
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,800
Look at it.
What's that?
853
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,240
I want to be where Bobby is now.
Oh yeah?
854
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Well, we all want.
To be where?
855
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Bobby is every day.
Yeah.
856
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,400
OK, Bobby, you got to turn your
mic on, buddy.
857
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,280
You got me trained already.
Thank you.
858
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,280
I know anyway, we have a
sailboats outside here.
859
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,600
This is a beautiful place to be.
This is this is my favorite my
860
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,080
favorite cheeky bar.
Let me tell you the the puffer
861
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,240
fish up top here and this.
Place is just.
862
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Awesome.
What's a tiki bar without puffer
863
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,280
fish, right?
Yeah.
864
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Well, this is called La
Mariana's and it it's where all
865
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,520
tiki bars have gone to die when
they've been torn down in
866
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,880
Waikiki.
Somebody says I got puffer fish
867
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,880
with spikes.
You want them?
868
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Oh, yeah, I want those.
I want those.
869
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,240
There's a working waterfall in
the back.
870
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,560
There's all kinds of tikis that
are from the 1920s and I think
871
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,200
the oldest thing here is late
1800s from the sailing ships.
872
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,520
But but it's not, it's not that
old.
873
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,280
It was built in the 40's.
The guy had a boat out here
874
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,280
offshore and he wanted a place
to drink with his buddies.
875
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,400
He started with a Kwanzaa Hut
and kept building it out and
876
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,960
tried to condemn it, Take it
probably 20-30 times and I
877
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,480
managed to avoid it.
That the string lights on the on
878
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,680
the roof were like just stapled
in raw.
879
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,200
You know, there's a lot of
things that would be pretty
880
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,040
questionable at one time.
Bob.
881
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,480
Bob, I've never asked you this,
but there's a guy I used to be
882
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,760
friends with.
You're not friends with him now.
883
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,960
I haven't talked to him in 15
years, but I was friends with
884
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,400
him and he's an audio guy and he
was married to Don Ho's
885
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,280
daughter.
What?
886
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,320
Wow, who is that?
No, not offhand.
887
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,280
And he lived somewhere up on the
the mountain, that's the
888
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,840
volcano, whatever that Diamond
Head, he lived somewhere up like
889
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,280
part of the way up that
mountain.
890
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,280
I'll, I'll look for that now.
I don't want to spill this.
891
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,280
My my lunch is.
Blown off completely.
892
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,240
Yeah, I know.
Sorry.
893
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,000
Chicken wings is fun.
My my lunch is staying.
894
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,960
This is coconut shrimp and.
Bob is the master of show and
895
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,560
tell.
Anyways, now he's just We're in
896
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,640
the right place at the right
time.
897
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,720
Are the coconut?
Drinks in my lifetime.
898
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Oh my gosh, I'm not sure.
Allow me to let let you know.
899
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Yeah, they're very much so.
Yeah, good for you.
900
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:17,160
So anything else have we missed?
Cosmo, you got anything between
901
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:24,560
now and ACDC?
Work wise now just conferences
902
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:30,000
between Live Production Summit
and ma'am, we're going to go to
903
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,120
the soft opening of the
universal thing with Colleen so.
904
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:38,080
I'm.
Going to see Colleen in January.
905
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,120
Cosmo, I want to know about the
conference at Litit.
906
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,720
How was that and what what were
they doing and why did 1200
907
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:55,040
people go there?
The conference at Lititz, why
908
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,040
did 1200 people go?
I mean, I don't know.
909
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,400
They said 1200 people went.
I didn't count.
910
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,480
It's it's.
I saw your Facebook it looked
911
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,080
like about 11150 actually on.
Your selfie and you took it all
912
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,080
over them, Cosmo.
Yeah, picky, Picky.
913
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,400
It's, it's, I mean, it's, it's,
it's obviously it's, it's a
914
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,800
bunch of panels.
I mean, it's a gathering of old
915
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,280
friends.
There's a lot of younger people
916
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:30,320
there, you know, cost money.
So I mean ticket and hotels and
917
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,800
flights and it's lit.
It's it's not like some major
918
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,240
city.
Yeah, it's hard to get to.
919
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,400
And did you?
Fly to Philadelphia and drive.
920
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,760
The last year I flew to Philly.
This year I flew to Harrisburg.
921
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Harrisburg's 30 minutes,
Philly's an hour and a half, you
922
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,040
know?
Yeah, it was.
923
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,560
It's the same, right?
I connect to Atlanta anyway, so
924
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,320
it doesn't matter.
Last year I stayed in an Airbnb.
925
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,360
This year I stayed in a in a
regular hotel.
926
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,400
The conference is good.
It's some of the panels.
927
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,640
It's a mixed bag of panels.
There's a lot of stuff that
928
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,200
doesn't interest me particularly
and there's stuff that does and
929
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,000
they want me to be on panels.
So we'll see what happens next
930
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,560
year.
The, IT was very, for lack of a
931
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,280
better word, it was a little too
woke.
932
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,240
And what I, what I mean by that
is I, I think they tried to.
933
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,520
And here's the thing that having
said that, the younger people at
934
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:34,160
the conference pushed back on
that, that, you know, which was
935
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,320
which kind of made me feel good
because the, the one thing they
936
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,600
were talking like the first, the
first day of the conference,
937
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,520
they were talking about, you
know, having the idea of
938
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,080
bringing a therapist on the
road, you know, as a crew member
939
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,640
And, and, and everybody's like,
no, no, no, no, we're not going
940
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,640
to bring a therapist on their
own.
941
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,520
The one thing I will say about
the conference in that respect,
942
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,640
besides the, the technical and,
you know, there was like
943
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,800
meetings about security and tour
management and production
944
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,720
management and the lighting
round tables.
945
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,640
But the one thing that I thought
was kind of cool is is bringing
946
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:09,120
awareness to not just mental
health, but like physical health
947
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,040
and trying to make the, the road
a bit better.
948
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,040
And it's only awareness.
Like I said, we're not going to
949
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,520
bring a therapist.
You know, even even people were
950
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,000
like, we're, we're going to have
18 hour work days.
951
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,320
The show was going to happen,
you know, and, and I think that
952
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,280
most people realize that we're
not the young people aren't
953
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,640
trying to change the business to
where you do 1 show a week so
954
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,880
you can get a good night's sleep
and, and not travel too hard or
955
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,240
work too hard.
I really think that most of the
956
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:38,080
people are it's like one person,
she said.
957
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,520
When I work 18 hours and threw
three in a row as I wear it like
958
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,080
a badge of honor, you know,
because it's hard work and we
959
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,480
did it.
So, you know that that that that
960
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,000
I kind of got from the
conference that it was, you
961
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,040
know, it's the young people are
pushing back and want to work
962
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,440
hard and they realize what it
takes to put it together a
963
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,600
shelf.
But there's also.
964
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,880
The, the thing that I found
really good about the conference
965
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,000
was that just that because like,
you know, a lot of these schools
966
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,400
that these kids are going to
don't tell them about, you're
967
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,360
going to work 18 hours, you're
going to work seven days a week,
968
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,120
you're going to give up your
family life.
969
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,720
And it's a, it's a big
commitment.
970
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,840
It's not just a job.
And then these kids get out on a
971
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,960
tour and they're like, oh, this
isn't what I signed up for.
972
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,000
This isn't what I was told.
So I did like that about it.
973
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,560
And a lot of the conversations
telling these new people coming
974
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,400
into the industry that this is
what, it's not all glitz and
975
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,000
glamour.
This is what it really is.
976
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,240
Yeah.
And, and you know, as, as I
977
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:37,960
said, I found most of the young
people I talked to were aware
978
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,960
and, and willing because they
had that much passion about
979
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,360
doing it.
You know, and, and I, I think
980
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,760
that she's a, she's a very young
tour manager, but she said, she
981
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,560
said, I think that the industry
needs to recognize the crews
982
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,040
need to be valued and not
expendable.
983
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,640
And I said, I agree, that's a
very good way to put it, that
984
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,000
crews should be valued and not
being told they're expendable
985
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,920
unless they are, you know,
because in the old days when I
986
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,680
started, it's like there's five
guys behind.
987
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,520
It'll take your job in a minute.
And The thing is, though, if
988
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,840
there's a guy behind me, he's
going to take my job because I
989
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,720
suck, then so be it.
But yeah, exactly, exactly.
990
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,280
You know, so you're expendable
if you don't work hard and if
991
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,520
you suck.
But but I understand what what
992
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,360
she was saying.
And that made a lot of sense.
993
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,800
Cool.
Interesting, very interesting.
994
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,840
They're going to do this
conversation.
995
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:45,400
I had a friend of mine.
I have a friend of mine, Hidei
996
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Hideiaki.
I'm sorry, I'm a little froggy
997
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,680
right now, but my my buddy
Hideiaki used to work for me.
998
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,560
He became a professor in Texas
and he he hadn't like he was
999
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,880
doing finals with his kids where
they were supposed to get come
1000
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,880
in and, you know, light his show
a little bit for him in order to
1001
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,440
prove they could do it.
And when he went there, he saw
1002
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,640
that there was a Ryder truck
that was parked.
1003
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,320
And he, he basically said, and
he pointed to the Ryder truck
1004
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,880
and he goes, OK, Susie, you're
up.
1005
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,720
The last guy, he's just now put
the last of the gear into that
1006
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,840
truck.
Now you're going to open that
1007
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,880
truck and pull everything out
and set it all up off in the
1008
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,520
beginning and like your show,
and then return it to the truck
1009
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,480
as he did anyway.
That's great.
1010
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,600
That's that's, that's a life
learning lesson really quick.
1011
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Yeah.
Well, I think that that's a big
1012
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,600
question these days of what the
universities are teaching people
1013
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,320
and are they really ready for
the kind of jobs that are out
1014
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,120
there.
I don't think they are.
1015
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,160
I think they are.
They're.
1016
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,440
Because.
The university.
1017
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,320
They're not being pushed.
They're not.
1018
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,520
You know, it's not like the old
days where you know, you, you
1019
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,360
start working in a lighting shop
like AAC Factor or a bash and
1020
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,240
you just thrown out there and
it's a sink or swim, you know,
1021
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,960
kind of thing.
Now you know, everyone is, you
1022
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,800
know, triggered and emotional
and then, you know, not wanting
1023
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,480
to work as hard.
Not everyone, but a lot of them,
1024
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,120
you know, so.
It's well on the other hand, we
1025
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,520
keep.
Running good ones now.
1026
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,880
Now, on the other hand, we keep
running into like, you know,
1027
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,360
we've got these Pat McKay
diversity and design
1028
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,680
scholarships that John and Late
Switch have generously supported
1029
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,760
for the past two years.
And on some of these interviews,
1030
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,040
these kids are like, well, I
have a rental company and I own,
1031
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,200
you know, 3 grand Ma's and I
drive up and down Oklahoma and
1032
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,600
I'm the only person in the state
that has them and I can't rent
1033
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,040
them out fast enough.
And you're like, yeah, that he
1034
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,280
knows you know what he's doing.
It's, you know.
1035
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,240
These kids are amazing.
There's a lot of, there's a lot
1036
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,800
of really sharp kids out there,
but you know, piling on a little
1037
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,440
bit to, to what Craig said, Like
a lot of times when I'm hiring
1038
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,360
people or when I'm interviewing
people, you find that like a lot
1039
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,960
of these, and I hate to use the
word, but a lot of these woke
1040
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,920
concepts come up during
interviews where it's like
1041
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,000
entirely focused on how much
vacation time or it's entirely
1042
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,560
focused on.
What's in it for me?
1043
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,040
You know, not what can I do for
you, but what's in it for me?
1044
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,040
And so, yeah, I mean, some of
that stuff becomes a bit
1045
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,600
challenging.
However, you know, I run a
1046
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,760
completely remote business that
really celebrates people having
1047
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,160
free time, free space, the
ability to pick up their kids,
1048
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,120
drop off their kids, go to the
soccer game in the afternoon,
1049
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,920
all of that kind of stuff.
So, you know, I know we're
1050
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,920
pulling away from that now, like
a lot of companies who did I
1051
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,440
read about today, another big
company is pulling all their
1052
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,560
staff back into the office and
stuff.
1053
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,440
And, you know, that's a bit
tragic because I think that's
1054
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,960
one of the things that I love
during COVID is that people
1055
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,400
could work from home.
And, you know, I happen to
1056
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,480
believe in that.
For every company.
1057
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,280
No, For my company and a lot of
companies, yes.
1058
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,040
So hi, Jeff Rabbits.
Hey, hi.
1059
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,600
We're the same way, Marcel.
We're, we're brick, we're brick
1060
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,200
and mortar offices, but but we
have a lot of people that work
1061
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,480
remotely as well.
We don't care so long as you get
1062
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,880
the work done.
But I think one of the
1063
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,920
challenges we see is unrealistic
expectation alignment from
1064
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,320
particularly higher education.
You know, kids have come to us
1065
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,880
because they've been told by
their professors at university
1066
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,640
that they're going to make 100
grand coming right out of
1067
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,200
school.
And we have people that come to
1068
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,120
us and say, I'm not interested
in the job of them not designing
1069
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,720
shows.
And it's like, well, then we're
1070
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,440
not interested in hiring you.
I'm really sorry.
1071
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,240
We just can't, we just can't do
that.
1072
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,080
And and not appropriate skill
sets.
1073
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,920
People coming to us with a, with
bachelor's qualifications in
1074
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,680
design that don't know how to
draft in 3D.
1075
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,960
People coming to us who have
told their professors they want
1076
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,400
to work in concert touring and
have been taught the EOS.
1077
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,800
Nothing wrong with the EOS, but
if you want to work in concert
1078
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,480
touring, it's useless learning
the EOS.
1079
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,640
If you want to go work on
Broadway, that's fantastic.
1080
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,240
But it, and I think so many
students don't grasp the notion
1081
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,800
that that most higher education
is, is a fee for service
1082
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,840
business.
And they're going to tell you
1083
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,080
what they think you want to hear
to get your money.
1084
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,720
And if you think this is like
going to middle school or high
1085
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,600
school, that there's something
symbiotic there, this is a
1086
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,560
business proposition.
If the school isn't delivering
1087
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,120
what you what you want, you
should go to a different school
1088
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,920
because this, this is a bit,
whether you're, whether you're
1089
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,960
on a scholarship or not,
somebody is paying for you to be
1090
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,720
there.
So I think helping students
1091
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,920
understand that they should be
educated consumers of their
1092
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,720
education experience would be
really super helpful and.
1093
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,520
It's just the the education
system is just leading into the
1094
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,320
entitlement of some of these
kids where, you know, we see it
1095
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,160
a lot with with techs now that
you know, like you have show
1096
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,120
guys that you know, oh, you're
not doing a show, come into the
1097
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,240
shop and help with the shop.
Well, no, I don't, I don't work
1098
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,440
in the shop.
That's beneath me.
1099
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,920
Like, no, that's it's not how it
works in the real world.
1100
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Yeah, good luck.
Good luck doing a show without
1101
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,800
decent people in the shop.
If you don't have decent people
1102
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,200
in the shop, it's true.
There's, there's a guy in the UK
1103
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,880
called Lee Dennison, some of you
might know him, a really good
1104
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,480
guy.
He used to go around and do
1105
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,160
talks with White Light when he
worked at White Light and he
1106
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,440
would go into further education
colleges and he would sit down.
1107
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,160
The first question he would ask
tells the story.
1108
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,360
You sit down and ask people who
am I, what have I done and who
1109
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,200
what am I about?
And the students were going, I
1110
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,840
don't know.
And it's like you can go and
1111
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,480
fart is the attitude change,
right?
1112
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,960
You could go and type his name
in and say you've got an
1113
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,680
industry expert, he's coming in
to talk to you.
1114
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,880
They give you guidance, career
support.
1115
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,280
You don't know who you're
saying.
1116
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Well, you can go look him up and
find out what his background is
1117
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,240
or anything like that.
Nobody would do that.
1118
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,720
And so it's just a, it's just a
mental, it's even.
1119
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,240
Worse than that, because I'll.
Interview being proactive.
1120
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,680
You know, I'll interview people
and I'll say, you know, tell me
1121
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,800
one thing about my company.
They can't, right?
1122
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,800
You know, and, but yet when I
was being interviewed by people,
1123
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,160
I would know everything about
their company, you know, and.
1124
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,800
The Internet you were looking
at.
1125
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,040
It's even easier now.
Yeah, you can literally on the
1126
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,160
bus on the way to your
interview, 10 minutes, right,
1127
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,400
Instagram, know everything you
need to know you can get past.
1128
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:12,520
It's the.
Information.
1129
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,240
Ignorance is a choice.
Right, Pat McKay always used to
1130
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,240
say.
Pat McKay always used to say.
1131
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,800
If her name was spelled wrong on
the cover letter, the whole
1132
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:26,520
thing went in the trash.
Damn, no wonder I never got a.
1133
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:33,360
Response from her.
Hey Jeff, what's new in LA?
1134
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:41,080
It's hot today.
We just never know, but in about
1135
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,200
3 hours it'll be down to like 40
or 50.
1136
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,360
It's just we're in that period
of time where you walk out the
1137
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,960
door in the morning with a
heavy.
1138
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,160
Jacket and three hours later
you're stripping it off, so you
1139
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,560
know.
Come to Chicago, Jeff Rabbits.
1140
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:57,920
We'll show.
We'll show you about a heavy
1141
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:58,800
jacket, mate.
Yeah.
1142
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,760
Yeah.
No kidding.
1143
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,160
I I take my time in Chicago.
Yeah, I know.
1144
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,880
I know it.
Was 86.
1145
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,320
It was 86 even by the water
here, Jeff.
1146
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,080
So it's got to be hot where you
are.
1147
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,200
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1148
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,880
Anyway, all good, though.
Not much happening.
1149
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,800
Things are, you know, beginning
to wind down.
1150
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,760
I've got a little bit more work
between now and the holidays and
1151
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,400
then I'm turning it off.
Right.
1152
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,080
Wow, good for you.
Yeah, taking a break.
1153
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,160
Is anybody doing anything like
incredibly amazing between now
1154
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,720
and the end of the year work
wise?
1155
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,120
Man, New Year's Eve
entertainment's gonna suck.
1156
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,240
Yeah.
It's true.
1157
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,600
Sounds like it.
Well, last night, last night,
1158
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,080
Eggshell Lighting did the grand
opening for Cirque du Soleil's
1159
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:57,800
first theatre here in Honolulu.
Yeah, they what they brought all
1160
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,280
the gear.
They bought it, you know, from
1161
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,240
Vegas and like to do the show
that would, you know, we did
1162
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,000
the, the red carpet, the
interview space, the lights to
1163
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,400
the sky.
And I also debuted the Minute
1164
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,880
Uni Photon and Dice and their
entertainment stage after the
1165
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,720
event.
They all went really, really
1166
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,840
well.
What show is it?
1167
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,520
It's actually called a wanted.
It is a written and modified for
1168
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,000
Hawaii production.
Where is it?
1169
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,240
It's in Waikiki.
It's in the Waikiki Beachcomber,
1170
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,400
but actually, yeah.
And it's it's certainly the
1171
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:44,080
largest approach for a
theatrical type show that's ever
1172
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:44,720
happened there.
And.
1173
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,280
It's in there.
They they put one of their own
1174
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,200
structures up for it on the
property or is it in the
1175
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,280
theater?
There was a previous theater for
1176
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,920
John and Hirakawa, the Magic of
Polynesia, and that audience was
1177
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,840
starting to wane.
And they really strip the
1178
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,080
theater and turn it into you.
You know, it's it's them all
1179
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,280
everywhere, plenty of branding
and it's not just a theater
1180
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,560
where something's happening.
Just to see now we're on a 2 day
1181
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,800
turn around and we do Andrew
Schultz, I guess he's the a
1182
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,600
comedian goes in on Friday, show
Saturday and that'll be the last
1183
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:23,520
for.
Experience, by the way, you
1184
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,960
should go see it.
Yeah, well.
1185
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:25,760
It's a.
It's a.
1186
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,720
Great show.
I will indeed.
1187
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,240
We just did Joe Koi for three
nights.
1188
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,760
That went really well and our
calendar is looking very good
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01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,160
for next year, so.
Good for you man.
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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,800
I'm proud of everyone here.
Who are?
1191
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:48,560
What was that?
Who are the designers for the
1192
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,720
show?
Do you know who did the
1193
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:55,760
lighting?
I think the designers are most
1194
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,480
of the district camp.
Right.
1195
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,240
Give me a second, I'll get back
to you.
1196
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,200
I'm.
Sorry, I'll look it up.
1197
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,280
I'll I'll Google.
It Luke plus.
1198
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,920
Fortune is back.
Like there's some new show going
1199
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,040
into Vegas or something and it's
Luke designing it.
1200
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,960
Will Luke read?
I thought he was gone.
1201
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:15,240
And he just redid me stare and
he's redoing Oh I didn't hear
1202
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,720
about a new one but he did just
redo 2.
1203
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,560
But wasn't he, like I said, he
retired or something?
1204
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:22,600
I.
Haven't heard Luke's name in
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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,000
ages.
He basically did, but they they
1206
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,399
pulling him out of retirement.
It's kind of a cool concept to
1207
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,520
bring the original guy back to
redo.
1208
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:31,319
Yeah, very.
Cool.
1209
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:32,560
Yeah, it's very cool.
I like Luke.
1210
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,479
He's a, he's an interesting.
Phenomenal.
1211
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,359
Well, considering that they get
royalties, I think he may have
1212
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:44,040
first right of refusal.
I can I can tell you that Benny
1213
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,479
Kirkham was the the programmer
for this girl.
1214
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,800
Very cool.
He actually came out here.
1215
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,200
We spent a lot of time, you
know, off and on.
1216
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,120
It's the Last Vegas and then he
can't finally comes in in my
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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,200
neighborhood and neither of us
hasn't much time and I wouldn't
1218
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,200
see him again until the recent
LDI there we there we were
1219
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,640
again.
So it's kind of funny that he
1220
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,439
came into my neighborhood for
three months never had time.
1221
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,000
This is the way it goes.
And how is the show?
1222
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,800
I haven't seen it yet.
It's it's tonight we the first
1223
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:20,080
step paying audience.
Oh cool, based on Hawaiian
1224
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,359
culture.
Yes.
1225
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,399
Bob, Bob, have you seen the
picture from the dinosaur thing
1226
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:33,200
where I think Seth Jackson
posted it where there's like 6
1227
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,000
guys and they're all holding
your coffee but you're not in
1228
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:37,560
the picture?
Yeah.
1229
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:42,760
I did.
I did see that post.
1230
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,200
I was pretty honored.
Thank you.
1231
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,399
Yeah, it's a good picture.
Great picture.
1232
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,319
As always, you.
Were with traditions.
1233
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,400
I don't know the lighting
designer because his name is
1234
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,640
Hugo Mercier Bosani.
I know who he.
1235
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,240
Is there you go.
You do.
1236
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,840
I think I actually met him.
I think he was at the Formula
1237
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,840
One thing that I went to with
Craig Burrows in Miami a few
1238
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,800
months ago in April.
Cool, yeah.
1239
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,560
I'm pretty sure he was there.
Yeah.
1240
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,800
I think I remember him telling
me about that show, in fact.
1241
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:23,040
Well, there you go.
Hey, Speaking of going, I got to
1242
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:31,200
head off.
I think we all do at this
1243
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,880
point.
Look at this.
1244
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,360
Wait, how did I do it?
I don't know.
1245
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,320
Fist bump.
I don't know.
1246
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,520
How do you do balloons?
I don't know.
1247
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,680
You did it before.
There are you?
1248
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,560
Are you done way?
Have you done Confetti now?
1249
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:08,280
I don't know, I.
Don't know how to make it
1250
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,960
happen.
Me neither.
1251
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,720
I can't do it.
Oh well.
1252
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,040
Wave your hands again.
There.
1253
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,840
Go to bed.
Yeah, I know.
1254
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,880
Patrick.
Patrick, go eat dinner or
1255
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,720
something.
That's too.
1256
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,680
Early for that.
Very Merry Christmas guys.
1257
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,640
Happy new.
Year.
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