#278 - Marty Hom

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What can you say about today's
guest, Marty Hom?

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He has had quite a year and we
talk a whole bunch about that on

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this podcast.
This year alone, the Stones,

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Olivia Rodrigo, Stevie Nicks,
Shakira, I mean, just an insane,

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insane list of work.
And he's doing it again next

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year.
So I love this guy.

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One of my favorite people out
there, production manager, tour

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manager, he's done it all and
just one of the nicest guys

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there is super big on educating
younger people coming into the

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industry.
We talk a whole bunch of that.

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So please enjoy today's podcast
almost as much as I did.

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Hello and thanks for joining me
today on Geese of Gear episode

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Here we are, welcome again to

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episode #278 and so I wanted to
make sure that you have taken

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the time to check out the last
episode.

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I believe it's 277 with Bob
Bonnie all.

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If you haven't heard it, please
check it out.

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Lots of great stuff.
As you know, I'm an AI geek and

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he's beyond, way beyond me.
Very smart individual, knows a

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lot about this technology, was
doing AI before AI was really a

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thing.
And definitely do yourself a

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favor and listen to it.
I think it'll bring it all home

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for you a little bit.
I know everyone's struggling to

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sort of understand the benefits
and the effects of AI on our

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world, on our industry, and I
think this will either scare the

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shit out of you or it'll make
you a little bit more

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comfortable.
But either way, I think you

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should listen to it if you can,
of course, LDI, as you hear

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this, hopefully you've heard
this before, LDI, if you

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haven't, then just ignore the
next 45 seconds or so.

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But LDI is coming in a couple of
weeks, a few weeks probably by

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the time you hear it, it'll be
less than two weeks.

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And so one of the things, I've
announced it before, we've

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talked about it, we're doing
this new thing, Sarah and I and

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with help from Scott DeVos,
whose Ida, it really was on one

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of our episodes.
But we're doing this new thing

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that hopefully becomes an annual
thing called Dining with

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Dinosaurs.
It is a lunch, sort of a lunch

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and learn, I guess for people
coming into the industry or even

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people who are in the industry
and want to take advantage of a

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gathering of some pretty
incredible minds and legends in

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our industry.
And so that is on Monday, I

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believe December 9th, from 12:30
till 2.

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You can get tickets for that at
ldishow.com.

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And I believe also your all
access passes will also give you

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access to this event.
I know it's going to be full.

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It's going to be a very popular
event.

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I'm guessing next year we're
going to expand the amount of

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people who can come to it
because it's going to be great.

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It really is.
And I'm not saying that because

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we're putting it on.
I'm saying it because I'm

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actually really excited to have
this many really amazing people

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in, in the same room sharing
information with, you know, 100

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or so people who who are looking
to gain that information.

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So for Dining with Dinosaurs
this year, we're actually

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overbooked on talent, we'll call
it.

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And in no particular order,
we've got the infamous Mr. Bob

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Gordon, who of course rose to
fame with ACT Lighting, which is

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now ACT Entertainment.
He's retired now, but he's got

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some friggin great stories and
some really cool just learning

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stuff that he wants to pass on.
Mark Fetto, who was just on the

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show a few weeks ago, has an
incredible history and lots of

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experience in our industry.
Patty Thurston.

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There's a name I bet a lot of
you haven't heard for a while.

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Patty, of course, was very well
known as part of the OB company

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where she was a an account exec
for a number of years.

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Lots and lots of people she
knows in this industry and know

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her in this industry.
And of course her husband Scott

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Thurston played guitar for so
long for Tom Petty as well.

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Great lady.
I'm really looking forward to

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seeing Patty.
I literally haven't seen her in

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15 or more years.
Dave Shadowan, who just recently

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sold his company Sound Image to
Claire, I believe.

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And you know, again, one of the
founders and legends of the

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audio business in this country,
Scott DeVos, who we spoke about

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earlier.
And Scott has been on this

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podcast, Great guy.
This was his idea.

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This, this dining with dinosaurs
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Geezers of gear just gets to
take all of the credit for it.

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But I will always give the
credit back to Scott.

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It was his idea.
He brought up the name during

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one of our podcasts and I ran
with it.

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Jeff Ravitz.
No real introduction needed

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there.
One of the legendary lighting

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designers in both television,
concert, touring, lots of

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spaces, super guy, incredibly
knowledgeable.

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We're so lucky to have him.
Cosmo Wilson.

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Again, not really much of an
introduction needed.

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He's recently on the podcast.
And Cosmo, of course, lighting

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designer and director for ACDC,
Aerosmith, Judas Priest and so

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many, so many others.
And one of the greatest guys,

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one of the nicest guys in the
industry, Barely a dinosaur, but

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certainly a dinosaur and just a
wealth of information and

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stories.
Roy Bickel, I think one of the

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godfathers or grandfathers,
however you want to call it, of

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of rigging and really going to
be interesting to talk with him.

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He's never been on the podcast,
so I only know him from his

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legend status.
I don't know much about him.

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One of my dear friends and one
of my favorite people out there.

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Howard Ungerleider.
Again, 40 something years with

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Rush, almost 50 years with Rush.
I think maybe even 50 years with

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Rush.
Lot of years with Rush.

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Lot of great stories.
Super dude, happy to have him.

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Seth Jackson, another great LD
who's been around the industry a

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long time.
He.

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Says that he's a dinosaur I
don't think Seth is a dinosaur,

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but you know who knows he's got
some great stories and a lot of

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education to pass on.
I actually I can't remember the

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name of it right now, but I
think it's something like how to

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become a concert touring LD
something along those lines.

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But his book that I have a copy
of and I've read it's a very

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easy read.
I suggest you get it.

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It's such an excellent book.
It's probably the only touring

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book that I've read that
actually told you, you know,

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don't shit on the bus.
Bob Harmon.

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Bob Harmon is one of the great
storytellers of this industry,

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Super guy.
And again, super happy to have

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him and legendary production
manager Jake Berry.

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That was one that I was pretty
excited about.

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So what a room of people this is
like.

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And we're adding one or two
surprise names to it too.

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That'll blow people's minds.
So for a first year to be doing

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this, we're pretty proud of this
list of people that we've put

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together.
There are certainly going to be

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some people coming to me going,
why didn't you pick me?

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I'm already getting those calls,
actually.

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And because LDI kind of clipped
our wings and said you can only

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have X number of people, we
wanted to have 30 people and and

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they clipped us at 10 and I
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So we're trying.
To follow the rules and.

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Stay between the lines.
But hey, there's a lot of

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really, really great people out
there that are ready and willing

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to share knowledge and share
stories with all of you.

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So gonna be great.
Can't wait.

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Looking forward to it.
Another big exciting thing has

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been this episode 271, which is
now officially, this is the Mark

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Brickman episode.
It's now officially the largest

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and most popular episode we've
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Which?
Is wild because Mark was on this

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podcast before, but I think it's
just the timing, the fact that,

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you know, he was currently out
on tour with David Gilmour and

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just a lot of interest in that
tour and just such an exciting

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lighting design.
And we've talked about it a lot,

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but it is officially our largest
episode now.

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So thank you Mark, and
congratulations to Mark and

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congratulations to the sponsors
too, who got some extra value

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out of this one.
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like, subscribe and share our
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It's really the only thing that
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We don't have much of an
advertising budget, if one at

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all.
So we're not doing any

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advertising, we're not doing any
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As you know, we don't have any
swag to hand out, which

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hopefully that will change soon.
That's one of the plans for 2025

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is that we actually have enough
sponsors so that we can build a

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budget to do some more really
cool things like this Dining

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with Dinosaurs thing, like
giving out swag at trade shows,

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like lots of things.
So watch for that kind of stuff.

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But for now, please just like
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We're starting to sneak outside
of our little industry and get

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lots of sort of concert touring
fans out there who are listening

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to the podcast.
So that's awesome.

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Today's guest is a big one and
has been one of the busiest and

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most successful guys I think
since COVID.

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He has just absolutely crushed
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Marty.
Hum is a 40 plus year concert

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touring veteran who has worked
with, get this, Barbra

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Streisand, Shakira, Bette
Midler, Lionel Richie, the

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Eagles, Alicia Keys, Shania
Twain, Janet Jackson and Beyoncé

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and that's just a few of them.
Marty was with Fleetwood Mac for

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21 years and hence my choice of
T-shirts today.

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I am wearing a Fleetwood Mac
T-shirt today.

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He was with Fleetwood Mac for 21
years and I believe he toured

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with them.
Was it this year or last year?

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Most of those years as tour
manager.

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Marty was last on the podcast
back in 2021, episode number

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128.
You can either Google that or

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search on our website or search
on Spotify.

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But he's.
Out there this.

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Year Marty has been extremely
busy on tour managing The

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Rolling Stones, Olivia Rodrigo,
Stevie Nicks and Shakira tours.

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Let's check out what Marty's
been up to the last few years.

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Please welcome Marty Hum back to
the podcast.

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Mr. Marty, Hum, good to see you.
Marcel, always a pleasure.

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Yeah, you as well.
I'm actually blown away that we

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were able to find this little
time slot in your probably India

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industry's most insane schedule.
You know, Marcel, I'm thankfully

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I I'm home for the next two
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Wow.
One of my clients postponed her

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tour from this year till next
year and I know it didn't make a

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lot of the fans happy, but I'm
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And who?
Who is that?

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Which one is that?
Which artist?

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Oh, OK, Kira was.
Supposed to start her tour on

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November 3rd or second in Palm
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2025 S you.
Know, while you mentioned

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Shakira, who I've been, you
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with since I was about, I don't
know, a long time since she

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started singing, Probably I'll
set you up more.

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So no, no, no, it's not that I
have a girlfriend and she's

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listening right now and she's
way better than Shakira.

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But no, it's it's Shakira is
just like if I had to pick, you

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know, the sexiest women alive.
She's definitely in that short

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list because that mix of what is
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Is it Colombian and Lebanese?
That's correct, yeah.

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Yeah, so the Lebanese belly
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Colombians definitely know how
to swing their hips and do all

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that stuff.
I mean, her moves are just

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incredible, but.
You know, it's such an

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incredible artist.
I've been with her for about 16

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years now and and I will tell
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yeah, it could be close now, but
but she's probably globally one

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of the biggest artists.
I really.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well.

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And let's just remind people,
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Stevie Nicks, aforementioned
Olivia, Beyoncé.

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Who?
Who am I missing?

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Barbra Streisand or Bette Midler
or something?

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No, I'm talking about the Divas.
The women.

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Yeah, the women, of course.
The Stones.

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Yeah, but you know, like, I know
I asked you this when we did a

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podcast before, but how is it
that you get the world's top

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Divas as your clients, you.
Know what that's, that's

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interesting, Marcel.
Look, when I started my career

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in the late 80s, early 90s, it
was really funny.

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I, I, I started working, you
know, the big, big pop tour.

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I, my first big pop tour was in
1990 with Paula Abdul.

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And then you get kind of
stereotyped and locked in.

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And then the next tour after
that, I, the next big female

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artist I do was Janet Jackson in
1995.

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And then I went on to work with,
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I worked with Shania Twain very
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And, and I think you just kind
of get stereotyped into, you

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know, that kind of genre of
music.

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And, and my, my career could
have definitely taken a

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different turn back in way back
in 1990, I did English rock band

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called the Cult and they were
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the Sonic Temple album.
And I remember doing that tour

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and after I did that tour, I
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like Kiss and Cinderella and
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And so and I decided to take a
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And do those very different I
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Very well be still doing it, so
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Well, and I think the Cult we're
touring like theaters this year

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and you were doing stadiums with
Beyoncé and all these other the

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Stones.
And so I think you might have

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made some good decisions along
the way, Marty, not nothing

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against the Cult.
The Cult are a great band but

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you know the longevity of some
of these artists, The Stones and

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even Stevie Nicks.
I mean cheese.

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Stevie Nicks has to be in her
mid 60s now I would guess right?

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She is 70. 70770 Geez I.
Didn't know she was that old.

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Wow, good on her man.
She's still sounding great from

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what I hear.
I haven't seen the show she.

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Does she sounds better than
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She sounds great.
She still loves touring.

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Wow.
You.

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Know went out and did a bunch of
dates this year with Billy Joel.

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Very successful stadium shows.
Nice.

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You know, she just loves being
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It's part of her, you know,
nature, you know, and yeah.

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She.
She.

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Her DNA, you know what I mean
as.

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As a guy who's got a lot of
experience doing stadium shows

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this past few years especially,
but do you have a preference?

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Do you prefer arenas or
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I'll take.
An indoor arena tour any day,

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really.
It's that much harder.

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I'm too.
I'm getting too, too old to do

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those stadiums, man.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I I

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still love it and I still enjoy
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But doing an arena tours, you
know, you don't have to walk

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around as much, you know?
Yeah.

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That's true my.
Office to catering is a much

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shorter walk walk in the arena
than visit us well you.

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Work up an appetite when you got
to walk a mile to get to

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catering, for sure.
Yeah.

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That's.
I mean, so is that all this

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year?
The Stones Olivia Rodrigo this

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year.
Was this year I started with

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Olivia's tour, which started in
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We started rehearsals in Los
Angeles in mid January and I did

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all of Olivia's North American
tour and then she was going to

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go to Europe and then I jumped
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the Stones.
I got Louis Soto, great tour

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manager.
He took my place with Olivia in

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Europe and then the Stones
finished and it was funny, they

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added an extra show and and I
had committed to starting

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Olivia's tour back in the States
again.

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And so I missed the Stones very
last tour, it was Ozarks and and

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jumped off and started Olivia's
North American tour.

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We finished that up in August
and then we just got back a few

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weeks ago from Southeast Asia
and Australia.

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So no, no Beyoncé shows this
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No.
But Beyoncé was all last year.

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I I oversaw Stevie's tours this
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Shakira had a bunch of promo
because she released an album

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this year, so that kind of kept
me busy as well.

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What?
A year man, you were you're

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killing it good for you, man,
good for you I'm.

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Just lucky, Marcel.
I'm just lucky I have a job, you

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know?
Yeah.

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Well, aren't we all right?
Like we're living a dream?

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But when you have an overlap
like that, so I know production

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managers and L DS and front of
house engineers and stuff who

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have to leave and go to another
show and they're replaced for a

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few dates or whatever.
But when you're the tour

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manager, especially with a
female artist, do they not get a

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little bit upset when when they
have to change their tour

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manager mid flight?
You know that that's a great

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question.
I, I, I don't really know the

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answer to that because I've
never gotten any feedback or

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repercussions on it.
You know, I try to be upfront

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and honest and just tell people
my schedule, right.

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And Olivia's folks, they knew
that I had to leave to go do the

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Stones.
And so I was again, upfront and

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they get just like, you know, I
let the Stones know that, you

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know, before they had added this
extra show that I was committed

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to doing Olivia's tour.
You know what was unfortunate

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for me this year?
You know, I've been with Stevie

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for Stevie Nicks for 27 years
now.

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And although I oversaw the tour,
I didn't get to go to a show

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this year.
But I have guys out there who,

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who, you know, take my place and
do a great job.

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I had a guy named Helen Tate and
Ralph Vieira out there, Bobby

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Years, the production manager,
and they've been with Stevie and

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Fleetwood back for, you know, 20
something years now.

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So, so they're very capable of
of running that tour and, and

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making it well.
Plus, I guess for Olivia, like

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if, you know, if you were
leaving and going to do some

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dates with the cult, that'd be a
little different.

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But hey, Olivia, I'm sorry I got
to go do the Stones stadium

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tour, you know which I got to
tell.

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You more so it's funny because
on Olivia's tour I'm definitely

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the oldest guy out there on the
tour and on the Stones I'm

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definitely that's.
Crazy.

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That is wild.
Yeah, I Cosmo called me one

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time, I don't know, five years
ago or something.

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And he said you want to feel
old.

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And I said not really, but what?
And he said all of Aerosmith are

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in their 70s now.
And I went, what?

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No way.
And he goes, yeah.

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And I was like, wow, that's
crazy.

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Yeah.
And it's amazing.

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I mean, all those iconic artists
are are getting older, you know,

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And yeah.
And I don't know how many more

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tours they have left in them,
but you know, I would encourage

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people to go see those shows.
Absolutely.

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Well, it's, you know, I, I had
Brickman on the podcast a couple

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weeks ago and, or I don't know,
a month ago.

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And he was like, Marcel, you've
got to get out to see this show.

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Cause David Gilmour, there was
only a handful of shows.

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And I was like, yeah, yeah.
And then I'm of course in the

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background.
I'm like, do I really want to go

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to New York, Madison Square
Gardens to see a show?

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I don't know.
And but then, you know, you

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think about it and you go,
really, this could be the last

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time you ever see any version of
Pink Floyd.

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Maybe Rodger Waters will keep
touring, but this could be David

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Gilmour's last tour and, and his
last shows.

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And, And so yes, I want to go
see it.

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And I was feeling that as I was
watching it too, because I

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didn't know.
Again, you get older, but you

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don't think anyone else is
getting older.

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So I didn't know David Gilmour.
I think he's almost 80.

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I think he's 79, might even be
80.

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And, you know, he still sounded
great.

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But as you know, just from being
around Mick as much as you are,

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it's not easy for an 80 year old
guy to get on stage every day

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and do what they do.
You know, Mick is a phenomenal.

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He really is.
Yeah.

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You know.
What when it all comes down to

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more?
So hold on one second, I'm you

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can edit this all right?
No worries.

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Oh, is the dog knocking on the
door?

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Let me in that.
Wasn't an idea of the little dog

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knocking on my door my
attention?

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What I.
Was saying is that, you know,

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you look at these artists and
they're so iconic and they're

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legendary, you know, and and and
you know, like Bruce is out now

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and Stevie still doing dates and
the Stones are still doing

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dates.
It's just incredible.

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But Mick ain't mailing it in,
you know what I mean?

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Like watching him running up and
down that ramp, I was like, you

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got to be shitting me.
This guy's almost 81 at the

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time.
I think he's 81 now, you know?

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What it comes down to with all
these great artists, and I'm

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going to tell you what they have
in common, you know, Mick,

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Beyoncé, Olivia, they all have
incredible work ethic.

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Yeah.
You know, the reason they got to

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where they are is because of
their incredible work ethic.

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And and you know, that goes no
saying with Mick.

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I mean he is such on a
regimented, regimented schedule.

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He's amazing.
You know, he's totally amazing

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you.
You obviously got to see that on

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a day-to-day right?
Like I I heard he did like

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ballet or yoga or something.
I can't remember what it was.

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Yeah.
I mean, I don't personally see

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it on a day-to-day, but I know
that he, you know, works out.

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Yeah, he goes into a studio
before the show to just warm his

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body up.
He's just a.

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Phenomenon in terms.
Of how he takes care of his

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body.
He's in such great shape.

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Well.
And these are people who were

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abusing the hell out of
themselves, you know, 50 years

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ago or more.
And to see this kind of

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longevity, I mean, maybe that's
the secret is you got to do

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every drug known to mankind in
your 20s, thirties, 40s and and

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you become pickled and you last
till you're 100.

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00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,120
I don't know, maybe we're all
doing it wrong, you know?

449
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,120
What I I was very, very
fortunate, very lucky that I got

450
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,520
all these artists after they had
done, you know, whatever

451
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,880
happened in the 60s or 70s,
because flaming back, I started

452
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,320
97 and in the Stones, my first
tour with them was in 2021.

453
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,600
Oh, OK.
Yeah, I forgot you you haven't

454
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,880
done the Stones for a long, long
time.

455
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000
Yeah, yeah, no, that was
incredible.

456
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,120
And what about Beyoncé?
You said she's similar to like,

457
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,280
she's got that crazy work ethic
and work.

458
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,880
Ethic, I mean she's she works
like no other.

459
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,080
I mean, you know, when she
prepares for a tour, she goes

460
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,560
into rehearsals and and again,
it's you know, you got to

461
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,960
remember.
I mean they you know, it's like

462
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,880
building up to the they were
stamina, you know, Beyoncé show

463
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,120
it was almost three hours.
I mean, you know, just to get in

464
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,600
in that kind of physical
condition, you know, to you get

465
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,760
ready for a tour and and, you
know, there's a lot involved.

466
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,480
I mean there, you know, it takes
your toll on your body without

467
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,960
doing those shows every night,
you know, and so she.

468
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,200
Also seems like a really bright
business mind like I I think I

469
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,440
think it was Wiseman who told me
that her mom is very involved

470
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,560
like in her in her career and
she.

471
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Is, you know, that's the other
thing all these artists have

472
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,280
have in common is not only do
they have incredible work ethic,

473
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,360
is that they're all very, very
smart.

474
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,400
They're all really at the top of
their game, you know,

475
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
intellectually.
Well, and they, they recognize

476
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,560
the business part of the music
business, right?

477
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,880
They, you know, Shakira.
Mick, Beyoncé, they all.

478
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Understand.
Yeah, well, that's obviously

479
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,400
super important.
So next.

480
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,960
So you said you're you're off
for a few months, but I think

481
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,880
you're still involved in the the
Super huge thing that you were

482
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,680
part of the founding of the, the
conference at Lettuce Lettuce,

483
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,400
right?
Oh yeah, absolutely.

484
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,920
Coming coming up here in a
couple weeks, first week in

485
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,840
December.
Yeah, Yeah.

486
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,640
I mean, when you started that
thing, did you know that there

487
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,000
did any of you think that it was
going to become what it's

488
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,160
become?
No.

489
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,040
No idea more so we're going into
our third year.

490
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,680
This year will be be our third
year and I think when Jake,

491
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,600
Charlie Stewart and I, along
with our partners at Rock

492
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Lititz, no idea, no, no idea
what to expect.

493
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,640
I remember heading on a podcast
with you with a few of my

494
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,240
partners, Yeah, talking about
the conference.

495
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,200
I mean, I remember the first
year, you know, we, we put up

496
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:01,080
650 tickets for for sale, you
know, and maybe just, you know,

497
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,560
a month, two months before we
had probably sold half that, you

498
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520
know, concerned that, that are
we going to sell the other half,

499
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,560
which we did, Yeah.
And last year we had 900

500
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,920
attendees that we sold out a
couple months in advance.

501
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Yeah.
And this year we're just going

502
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880
to be a little over 1000.
We sold, you know, we sold out,

503
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760
you know, a few months ago.
But you know, what the what the

504
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,960
conference has become is, you
know, far exceeded my

505
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,400
expectations.
But more than that, it, it's not

506
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,000
a conference that Jake or myself
or Charlie or Stewart started

507
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,240
and has become a conference for
the industry and for the

508
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,200
community really.
And so it's, I would say that

509
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,920
it's really not our conference
anymore.

510
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,640
It's really the touring and live
events conference, you know, and

511
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,160
it's just such a great event to
be around.

512
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
If you talk to people you
attended the first year, talk to

513
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,560
people who who went and then
attended, you know, it's the

514
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,480
camaraderie, you know, the
commute, the the live event

515
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,320
touring community is very, very
special.

516
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,320
And but I think when you all
have have those like minded

517
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,840
people at one place at one time,
you know, it's it's pretty

518
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,920
electric, you know, and so very
proud of it and hope it

519
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,600
continues for many, many years
it.

520
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Seems like it's it's a staple
now, like it's, you know, you've

521
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,200
got what's the one called that's
in Palm Springs in like January

522
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,320
or Frederick or live production
Live.

523
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Yeah, Yeah, I think you're
right.

524
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Yeah.
Yeah.

525
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,520
And so you've got that one sort
of on the West Coast and then

526
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,280
you've got this on the East
Coast.

527
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,480
But it appears that this has
already completely dwarfed the

528
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,040
the Palm Springs one and is
going to continue growing so.

529
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Well, I think they're.
Different too.

530
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,040
I, I, I think there's a couple,
you know, things that we, when

531
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,080
we started this, we set out to
do was like, we weren't going to

532
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640
have any golf tournaments or
anything like that.

533
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,880
And we weren't going to have any
award ceremonies.

534
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,000
Like really it was about, you
know, all of us getting together

535
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,000
and trying to figure out how we
can make the industry a better

536
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,480
industry, how we can address,
you know, some of the things we,

537
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480
we need to address as a
community.

538
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,000
And that's, you know, diversity
and mental health and, and how

539
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880
do you, you know, really try to
recruit younger people into our

540
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,320
business, which is crucial
because people like myself are,

541
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,120
are fading out.
You know, we're going to, we're

542
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,880
going to get out of the business
shortly.

543
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,280
And you got to find those people
to to get it indoor into the

544
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,080
business to take our place.
Well, and I know you've been one

545
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560
of those guys who's who's always
raised your hand when there's an

546
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,880
opportunity to go out and and
share stories and and educate,

547
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,720
help to bring great people up
into the industry because

548
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280
obviously we have to do that.
And you know, some days when I

549
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,120
look around, I worry a little
bit about the future.

550
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,000
And then you meet some of the
younger people who have had

551
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,960
access to some of that type of
education and you go, OK, I

552
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,480
think we'll be OK.
We're.

553
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,200
Definitely going to be OK.
You know what, why I do that

554
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,880
first, I do it because, you
know, the industry has been so

555
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,200
great to me and so kind.
It really has has given me such

556
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,080
a lifetime of memories and
opportunities.

557
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,880
But you know, I remember when I
was getting into the business,

558
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040
you know, I grew up in, in
Northern California, I grew up

559
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,640
in Sacramento and we had a
promoter from that area named

560
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Bill Graham.
Bill Graham.

561
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,080
You know, I, I idolized Bill
Graham like I wanted to be Bill

562
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Graham.
And Bill didn't speak very

563
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,760
often.
Like I never got to hear Bill

564
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,000
Graham speak in any kind of
public forum.

565
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,920
He, he just didn't really do it
right.

566
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,680
And the, what, you know, the one
time he, that I saw that he was

567
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,400
doing it, I tried to sign up.
I couldn't get in.

568
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,800
And so I, I think it's important
for me to at least give back,

569
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,160
you know, to give back.
And I tell people this, that

570
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,440
that my legacy is not, you know,
Fleetwood Mac or Stevie or The

571
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Rolling Stones.
You know, my legacy is all the,

572
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,440
the people that I've had the
opportunity to, to give an

573
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040
opportunity to, to be in this
business, you know, to do

574
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,040
something they love to do and
they're passionate about doing

575
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,280
and provide for their families.
You know, that's my legacy,

576
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,360
these young kids that are coming
up behind me that that I've

577
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,040
worked with.
Yeah, Yeah, that's such a such a

578
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,720
valid point.
And I talked to you a little bit

579
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,680
earlier, we're doing we're doing
this thing at LDI this year

580
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,960
called Dining with Dinosaurs.
And, you know, it's a funny take

581
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,360
on on the old people or the
geezers in our industry.

582
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,480
And at first I was afraid that
people would be offended by that

583
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,640
name.
But I contacted LDI and I said,

584
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,880
hey, instead of us doing this
somewhere else at some some

585
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440
other point, I think it'd be
good to just do it at LDI when

586
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,600
people are already there in
Vegas for the show.

587
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,520
And but here's the name.
Are you OK with it?

588
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,640
And it was.
Do you know Ellen from from LDI?

589
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,280
No, I don't know.
So Ellen, you know, she's old

590
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,360
school, but she's a woman.
And so I was like, it's called

591
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,840
dining with dinosaurs.
And she said, oh, I love it, but

592
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,880
let me come back to you.
I'm going to run it around the

593
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,520
room and I'm expecting when it's
going to the committee, right?

594
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,880
We're going to get slaughtered.
She came back and said everyone

595
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
loves the name, they love the
concept, they love what you want

596
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,480
to do.
We're in 100%.

597
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,159
They cancelled.
They had a like an LD luncheon

598
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,159
or something and they completely
cancelled it and gave us the

599
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,320
time and the room.
And it looks like it's going to

600
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,199
be like a perennial thing, you
know?

601
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:51,159
So I think similarly, this was
all about getting a bunch of

602
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,560
people my age and beyond into a
room and we're doing it as a

603
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,560
round table.
So basically every table is

604
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,360
going to have two or three
dinosaurs and then, you know, 10

605
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,040
or 12 individuals, most of whom
will be younger people coming

606
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,680
into the industry, students.
But there's going to be a lot of

607
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,800
people who aren't younger people
who just want to sit at a table

608
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,400
with, you know, a Marty home
and, and get your stories and

609
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,240
your guidance and, and help and
thoughts and everything else

610
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,160
right.
And I think.

611
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,960
It's a great concept, More so I
I think it'll be, it'll be

612
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,640
great.
Yeah, so it's going to be fun.

613
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,320
I love doing stuff like that
too.

614
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,840
Like I, I think once I, once I
hit 50, I started going, well, I

615
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520
guess it's time to start passing
the torch, you know, and so

616
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,440
that's what I'm going to be
doing for the next, you know, I.

617
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Just last week I was down in
Nashville.

618
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,520
I was asked to be the keynote
speaker for this PCW Touring

619
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,320
Career Workshop.
I don't know if you're familiar.

620
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,120
With it, yeah, I am.
Yeah.

621
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,400
Chris Lyle.
And he, he's such a great guy

622
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,720
and what he's got down there,
you know, when he started, such

623
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,040
an incredible thing.
And yeah, you know, yeah, we

624
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,400
had.
Him on the podcast, we we

625
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,040
support that touring career
workshop.

626
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,280
I I think it's a great thing
that he's doing it.

627
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,720
Is it was a great thing, it was
an honour to to go down and and

628
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,400
speak and.
It's awesome, yeah.

629
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,880
So what was that event?
That event was their big annual

630
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,680
touring career workshop.
You know where they get 4 or 500

631
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,680
people to come in, sign up and,
you know, go to different panels

632
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,440
and, and.
Oh, so it's like their

633
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
conference or whatever.
It is their conference, yeah.

634
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Cool, cool.
Yeah, I didn't know about that.

635
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,840
That's that's really cool.
Good for him, man.

636
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,920
I, I, we had him on the podcast
and we talked a whole bunch

637
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,400
about it and I love what he's
doing there.

638
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,440
You know, I love that kind of
stuff.

639
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,600
If COVID taught us anything,
which for the most part, seeing

640
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,760
what our industry has been doing
the last two years, COVID taught

641
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,520
us nothing.
But if COVID taught us anything,

642
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,240
it's that we do need to be a
little more organized and we do

643
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,200
need to share more of this
information and we do need to

644
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,240
have, you know, a little bit
more of a foundation under and

645
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,280
around us, You know, 'cause it
can all fall to pieces pretty

646
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,040
quickly, as we know, man, I.
Remember getting on that first

647
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560
podcast I ever did with you back
during coping?

648
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,800
You know, we didn't have
anything else except.

649
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,840
Shoot the shit show.
Yeah, it was a shit show out

650
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,760
there, man.
And we talked about it and you

651
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,480
were doing some really smart
things that, you know, again,

652
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,240
there were so many really cool
ideas that came out of it, like

653
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,120
some of the the the things that
you were working on.

654
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,440
But, you know, we didn't have
time to get legs under those

655
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
things.
And then yeah, also, I'm not

656
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,320
saying you, but most people lost
interest in those side projects

657
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,200
as soon as the main project came
back, you know, and it was like

658
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,960
I.
Definitely did like it was,

659
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:40,840
yeah.
Well, when?

660
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,480
We came back, Marcel, you know
this.

661
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,240
When we came back in 2021, it
was crazy.

662
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,320
It was, it didn't land soft.
And it's been that way for the

663
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,640
last three years.
Like I have never been so busy

664
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,960
in my career.
Good for you man in the.

665
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,320
Last, you know, three years,
it's yeah.

666
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,120
Everybody wants to go on tour,
you know?

667
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Yeah.
Yeah.

668
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,040
So is that a good or a bad thing
You.

669
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Know I think it's a good thing
I'll, I'll let it's going to be

670
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,680
interesting to see if that's
leveled out you know yeah, over

671
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,800
the next probably next year,
year after to see if that's kind

672
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,440
of leveled out.
But you know, she certainly got

673
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,280
a lot of people back to work
pretty fast when we came back.

674
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,880
From most of the things that I'm
hearing, you know, this year was

675
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,320
a tough year from a standpoint
of at least most of the vendors

676
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,240
were having a little more
trouble staying on top of

677
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,000
profitability and and just
keeping their head above the

678
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,720
water this year.
But that next year is just

679
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,840
insane with the number and size
of tours that are going out

680
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,600
again and next year's another
big stadium year again.

681
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,160
And.
But.

682
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,440
Then everybody's a little
worried about the year after

683
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,200
that, that that next year's sort
of going to be the last hoorah.

684
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,360
And then who knows after that,
but I don't know.

685
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,000
I, I'm on a board of directors
with one of the Live Nation guys

686
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,600
in a company and I was talking
to him last week at a board

687
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,800
meeting about this and he was
like, no man, things are good.

688
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,160
You know, ticket sales are
strong and and continue to be in

689
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,440
we're, we're pretty, we're
pretty excited about the future.

690
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,640
That's what I see too.
That's I see, I see like this

691
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,760
past year has been a a good year
for touring.

692
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,160
I think next year is going to be
a good year.

693
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,720
You know, I think you know,
we'll see in in 2026 out levels

694
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:35,480
all out.
Yeah, I mean, I, I think, you

695
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
know, one of the challenges is
going to be with all these big

696
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,720
stadium shows and ticket prices
being as they are, I think

697
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,160
certainly you're going to maybe
start seeing some pressure on

698
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,360
those ticket prices, you know,
from the audiences who are

699
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,760
saying, yes, I want to see
Beyoncé again, but I can't pay

700
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,440
whatever Beyoncé tickets are.
I have no idea.

701
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,440
But, and I'm not picking on
Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, you know,

702
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Billy Joel, I don't care who it
is, but, you know, maybe they're

703
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,040
they're.
A desire or ability to keep

704
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,960
spending at those prices is is
going to dwindle a little bit.

705
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Who knows?
Yeah.

706
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,280
It'll be interesting to see how
it all pans out, yeah.

707
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Yeah, I mean, it just seems
right now like we're in such a

708
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,640
weird bubble right now where
things like this Formula One

709
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,360
race in Las Vegas and any of
these sort of high end celebrity

710
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,640
filled, you know, big money
events are just going

711
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,040
gangbusters.
And I just keep thinking, did we

712
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,120
really get that rich during
COVID?

713
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,680
Like what happened?
Where did all this money come

714
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
from?
You know, it's it's interesting.

715
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,280
It's an interesting moment in
time.

716
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Absolutely.
So the other thing that I read

717
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,720
about is that you, you just got
named to the Board of directors

718
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,640
for Music Cares, which I know is
something that's kind of been

719
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,200
important to you as well.
Something very, very dirt.

720
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,280
My heart.
Yeah, it was.

721
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,320
They had three board seats
opened up this year and and once

722
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,760
again, I'm probably referred to
as others because the three

723
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:25,480
board seats are filled by Irving
Azoff Corn Capshaw in the house.

724
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,160
No, no, it's true.
That's a nice crowd to be a part

725
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,880
of it.
Is very very good company.

726
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,960
Yeah.
Look, music here is something

727
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,240
that's very dear to my heart I
have.

728
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,240
I've been the talent producer
for music airs event for the

729
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,560
past six years.
I didn't.

730
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,240
Know that more than Nathan.
Marcel, I've seen how much they

731
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:52,200
can help people in my industry
and, and hopefully being named

732
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,920
to the board, I could help
advocate for the touring

733
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,240
industry and for the live event
industry because, you know,

734
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,200
there's so many people out there
who are in need.

735
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,160
And then, you know, if I can
help, you know, facilitate their

736
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,800
needs, you know, that's, that's
fine for those.

737
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Who don't know what what is
music cares?

738
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,600
So Music Cares is the nonprofit
for the Recording Academy.

739
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,480
They do an event always on the
Friday before the Grammys.

740
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:26,720
And really they honor an artist,
a band, either a band or a

741
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,720
singer and they honor them And
they So this past year in

742
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,920
February, they honor Jon Bon
Jovi and a lot of artists come

743
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,320
and they say, you know, Bon Jovi
songs.

744
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,480
So, you know, that night we had,
you know, Bruce Springsteen was

745
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,640
there and and home Courtney was
there and Melissa Etheridge and

746
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,520
a host of other artists.
And they kind of pay tribute to

747
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,480
John and and the songs.
And this year, next year

748
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,960
happens, I think the last week
in January, they're honoring the

749
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,920
Grateful Dead, the same thing
they and they haven't announced

750
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,640
to the artists are that will be
appearing, but they'll you know,

751
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,240
and and when they announce it,
you know, Phil passed away a day

752
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,280
later, I think after they
announce it.

753
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,680
So.
Yeah.

754
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,720
Oh, that'll be fun.
Oh, that's a fun event.

755
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,520
It's really fun.
When you're on the board, are

756
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,960
are you involved in in putting
together those events or is it

757
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,280
just more on the the Rays side
and all of that kind of stuff?

758
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,280
We're not sure because we we've
got our first board meeting

759
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,080
coming up in a couple weeks.
Oh, OK, certainly.

760
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,320
I'll certainly find out.
Yeah, I'm still going to

761
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,560
continue to participate in the
Music Hairs event.

762
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,080
It's always a fun event.
Yeah.

763
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Year before last we honored
Smokey Robinson and Berry Gordy.

764
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,600
A lot of fun for me because I'm
a Laura B Motel guy.

765
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,600
So we had Stevie Wonder and
Lotto Ritchie and super cool

766
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,440
brothers and The Four Tops and
the temptations that Dionne

767
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,760
Warwick, you know, all team.
And Samuel was old so.

768
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Fun motel.
Classics.

769
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,920
It was awesome.
Yeah, that is so fun.

770
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:09,000
So that's cool.
So that's in January.

771
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,480
And then what's, what's your
first tour going back out?

772
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,920
Looks like my first tour is
going to start in February.

773
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,120
So I'm going to start with
Shakira in South America fun.

774
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,560
And so we'll, we'll start, I'll
start with Shakira and, and Rio

775
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,560
de Janeiro on February 11th and
I'll do most of her Latin

776
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,960
America tour.
And then funny enough, Olivia's

777
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,440
doing a South America tour as
well.

778
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,040
And so when I get to Mexico
City, I'll jump off Shakira's

779
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,840
tour and get Olivia going.
So you got to Polish up your

780
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Spanish for next year?
Yeah, you're going to get a

781
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,120
good.
Translator, you know, spend the

782
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,440
whole year since I started
working with Shakira, though, I

783
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,600
would learn Spanish and I
started taking classes and here

784
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,720
we are 16 years later and I'm oh
wow, lazy as ever.

785
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,360
Well.
I have a sort of an extended

786
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,760
relative.
My girlfriend's daughter-in-law

787
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,520
is a Spanish teacher.
So if you ever, if you ever need

788
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,360
a connection, I got a good one
for you.

789
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,720
She's really good.
She does remote classes and

790
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:17,280
stuff.
So.

791
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Oh.
Great, great.

792
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Yeah.
So what else?

793
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,320
What, what else?
So what do you think?

794
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,320
I mean, you talked about sort of
where we're at today as far as,

795
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,720
you know, ticket sales and
concert touring is doing OK.

796
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,000
But, you know, like my side of
the business is obviously more

797
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,120
on the equipment side and we've
started to see some signs of

798
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:47,320
wear and tear and, you know,
again, gangbusters 202021222324

799
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,680
really started to get tough.
And we're even seeing some

800
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,280
companies that are struggling to
get funded and, you know, really

801
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,920
in some pretty miserable shape
at this point.

802
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:04,720
You know from your purview what,
what sort of the, you know, if

803
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,560
you were to put like sort of a
health check on the industry,

804
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,040
what, what would you think you
know as far as the production

805
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,680
side of it more than.
You know, Marcel, this is

806
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,000
something I talked about at that
TCW conference last week, and

807
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,880
it'd be interesting to get your
perspective on how you feel

808
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,440
about this.
Like what's happening now I

809
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,080
think is, you know, like buses
and trucks, you know, those are

810
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,320
the first things to, to like, if
I get a tour of the first people

811
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,880
I call is the bus company,
right?

812
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,840
And then the truck company's
right behind it, right?

813
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,680
And I think talk about this a
little bit.

814
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,160
You know, you have these young
artists coming up because you've

815
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,000
seen, you know, over the past
year, you've seen a lot of these

816
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,600
tours pull out simply because,
you know, the economics of it.

817
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,920
They can't really afford to tour
for whatever reason.

818
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,640
They're not selling tickets.
You know, when we all started,

819
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,400
Marcel, you know, we started
with these young bands and these

820
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,160
clubs.
And, you know, I don't know if

821
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,520
this is financially feasible for
our, you know, for the

822
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,480
companies.
But, you know, it'd be great if

823
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,760
they could maybe dedicate some
of those older buses to some of

824
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,720
these young bands that are
trying to get started and need

825
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,840
to go on tour because they need
to expose the music to, you

826
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,880
know, they're fans, right?
And so, so that's challenging

827
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,400
because, you know, not everyone
can pay 600 bucks a day for a

828
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,800
bus, right?
And so, you know, I hope, you

829
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,840
know, I, I, I'm of the belief
that one of the hardest things

830
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440
in our industry is that, that,
you know, loyalty doesn't go

831
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,960
very far, right?
And that I, I'm a firm believer

832
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,760
that if you start somebody's
career, you know that you should

833
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,520
hopefully be there at the end
end of their career as well.

834
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,720
And so maybe, you know, some of
these vendors can wrap their

835
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,560
heads around that, you know,
and, and get some of these, you

836
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,680
know, and support some of these
younger bands such an.

837
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,760
Interesting point.
I mean, it really is an

838
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,560
interesting point.
I never thought of it that way,

839
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:11,120
but, you know, my son's got a
racing career going and it's a

840
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,880
similar problem, but in a sense
exaggerated greatly because, you

841
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,560
know, it's such an expensive
sport to get into and people

842
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,520
think, well, why don't you just
work your way up to Formula One,

843
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,720
You know, but the problem is to
get to Formula One, I would

844
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:34,000
estimate is probably about 18 to
€20 million right now to get to

845
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Formula One.
That's just to get to that point

846
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,280
where you can be picked and and
taken into Formula One to race.

847
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,840
The first season in Formula One
lately has become almost €100

848
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,640
million, where these
billionaires are showing up with

849
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,000
their kid and saying here's a
decent driver and here's €100

850
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
million, we'd like to race the
season, please, Sir.

851
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,120
And it's not sustainable.
You know, you have such a small

852
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
selection who can afford that?
Well, I think.

853
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,160
What happens, You're right, it's
not sustainable.

854
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,560
And I think you have high
turnover.

855
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,280
You know, I mean, really what we
look for in our industry is

856
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,080
consistency, right?
Yeah, that a band is going to

857
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,200
get better play.
They're going to start at clubs

858
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,440
and they're going to go to
theaters and they're going to go

859
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,000
to arenas and then, you know,
and then let's see how far they

860
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,480
that takes them.
But you know, very seldom do you

861
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,280
have acts like Olivia, Olivia
even on her first tour at

862
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,000
theaters before she went to
arena.

863
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,240
So, you know, there's growing
there.

864
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:37,680
And then hopefully these vendors
will figure a way to to kind of

865
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,360
wrap their heads around it and
maybe, you know, support these

866
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,840
younger acts and, and well,
that's.

867
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,720
What I was getting to too is,
is, you know, sort of a, a, like

868
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,480
a, a bench, you know, like in
sports, you'd call it a bench

869
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,720
where you eat, you're investing
in junior leagues or in into

870
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,240
this bench.
And you know, for, because it

871
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,120
used to be the record companies
obviously who would invest in,

872
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,600
in that they would pay for those
artists to go out on tour and to

873
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,080
promote themselves so that they
could sell records.

874
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,880
Well, that's gone.
And so now they basically have

875
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,240
to go out as a profitable
entity.

876
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,160
But maybe I'll tell you what,
maybe that's a whole investment

877
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,160
strategy where you get these
venture capital funds or

878
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,160
whatever that put together these
funds based on, we think this

879
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,480
artist is going to make it and
we're going to pay for two years

880
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
of touring for them to get to
that point.

881
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,960
And you know, you, you invest in
10X hoping that one becomes that

882
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Unicorn that makes you back 100X
on your money or whatever,

883
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,400
right?
So I think what's important

884
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,720
about that is you have to have
people who are passionate about

885
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,680
the music.
Like the reason I'm in this

886
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,920
business, Marcel, is because IA
music fan, you know, that's why

887
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,360
I got into it because I started
off being a music fan and still

888
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,240
am today, right?
You can't have a.

889
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,160
Bunch of guys sitting in a
boardroom, you know, deciding

890
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,840
the fate of, you know, they got
to be fans, they got to be

891
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,760
music.
Fans, right?

892
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,680
So at the end of the day, yeah,
yeah, you're right.

893
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,040
You know, it's funny because I
had Doc McGee on the podcast at

894
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,680
one point and Doc, I said to
Doc.

895
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,080
So you know, I said, if my son,
let's say my son is, is 17 or 18

896
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,520
years old and he comes to me one
day and says, Dad, I don't want

897
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,880
anything else out of life.
I don't want to do anything

898
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,360
other than be a, a guitar player
of Rockstar, you know, a

899
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,280
recording artist.
I want to dedicate my entire

900
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,880
life to music.
And I just, this is what I want

901
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,680
to do.
And I said, you know, back in my

902
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,160
day, then that's what you did,
right?

903
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,920
And, and if you work really hard
and, and you come up with some

904
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,320
decent songs, chances are you're
going to be OK and you're going

905
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,080
to make a living doing it.
But today it's such a different

906
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,400
dynamic.
And I said, So what do I tell

907
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,920
him?
And he said, well, let me ask

908
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,640
you a question.
And I said, what?

909
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,640
And he said, is he any good?
And I said, what do you mean?

910
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,880
And he goes, well, you know,
'cause if he's just shit, you

911
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,320
know, I like, I don't care, you
know, but but if he's any good,

912
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,960
you know, it matters.
And I said, yeah, let's, let's

913
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:18,680
assume he's really good.
And he goes, well, you know, he

914
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,720
said the, what did he say after
that?

915
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:25,440
He said, oh, when I said, yeah,
let's pretend he's good.

916
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,600
He goes, well, you know, 'cause
everyone's a bull rider until

917
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,120
somebody opens the gate.
And I was like, oh, that's such

918
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,600
a cool.
You know, it's like Tyson said,

919
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,440
you know, what does he say?
Everybody's got a plan until you

920
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,120
get punched in the face.
That's right.

921
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Yeah.
So, you know, I mean, talent

922
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,000
will carry a little bit.
But I mean, again, the racing

923
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,720
thing is the same thing.
Like my son's a very talented

924
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:54,360
driver, but, you know, it
doesn't matter because you got

925
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,000
to be talented and have a huge
bag of cash to go invest into

926
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,800
one of these racing series or,
you know, you're just not going

927
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,840
to get anywhere.
But I agree with you, like, and

928
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,440
so the other thing, the other
dynamic, and you're probably

929
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,920
much more knowledgeable on this
than I am, but it seems to be

930
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,680
some bands kind of tried to jump
a step or to move up too quickly

931
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,600
and like successful theater acts
suddenly decided they were arena

932
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,560
acts and then kind of got
punched in the face and knocked

933
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,640
back down to theaters.
And the most famous being The

934
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,880
Black Keys, I guess, who I think
are an incredible band, but they

935
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,360
didn't do well in in arenas, but
they they do very well in

936
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,880
theaters.
And So what do you think about

937
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
that one?
Like is that just corporate

938
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,880
greed or is that the band
thinking they're better than

939
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,360
they are?
Or how does that happen?

940
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,040
You know what, I think it's a
combination of things, Marshall.

941
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,080
I think, you know, you kind of
got to rely on the team, you

942
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,960
know, you got to rely on, you
know, your management, you got

943
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,240
to rely on your promoter and you
got to make sure people are just

944
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:11,000
honest and give you the right
information right now.

945
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,760
They could have been totally off
base.

946
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,760
They could have said, Oh yeah,
we're going to do fine in arenas

947
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,560
and come to find out.
But I mean, you know, there's a

948
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,240
lot of thought and process it
goes into that, right?

949
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,720
You know, you know, certainly
Olivia, if she wanted to, could

950
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,160
probably done some stadiums this
year, but purposely we didn't

951
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,960
want to do stadiums.
You know, we're you know, that

952
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,280
time for Olivia will will come.
I think, you know, I've told

953
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,240
people that will listen to me
that I think Olivia's the

954
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,400
future.
Like I think she's got a long

955
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,680
big career ahead of her.
Sure.

956
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,880
Seems like it so.
There'll be time, you know

957
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,240
there'll be time, but don't rush
into anything, right?

958
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:52,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

959
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,160
So everything else you're doing
though is stadiums, right?

960
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,920
For for the my other artist or.
Yeah, all your other artists,

961
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,080
the Stones.
Will be stadiums next year.

962
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,600
Shakira will be mostly stadiums,
some arenas next year.

963
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,880
Olivia's doing her tour
encompasses really a lot of

964
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,640
festivals, so all those are
outside festival dates.

965
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,600
So yeah, all three of those
tours are going to be stadiums

966
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,360
and.
Beyoncé's stadiums.

967
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:28,320
Beyoncé is going out next year,
but I'm not probably going to be

968
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,720
involved.
OK, cuz you're too booked.

969
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,440
Yeah, a little too booked my.
Dance card is a little filled

970
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,760
actually.
Yeah, well, I completely get it.

971
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,800
Jeez.
I mean, there's worse problems,

972
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,880
right?
No, it's a good problem to have.

973
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,840
Yeah, I'm very, I'm very, very
lucky.

974
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,360
Well.
And that choice that you've

975
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,480
made, you know, the decisions
you've made, you know, it's

976
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,160
like, again, I was talking to
Cosmo on the podcast a few weeks

977
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,440
ago and, you know, he's
obviously pretty bummed about

978
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,920
what happened with Aerosmith.
And, you know, having toured

979
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,920
with Aerosmith, I think 20
something years, I can't

980
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,920
remember exactly.
Yeah.

981
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,280
And, and, you know, also it
cleared his schedule for the

982
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,680
rest of this year 'cause he was
supposed to go right, right from

983
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,560
ACDC on to that.
Marcel the positive is if he'd

984
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,840
gone out with Aerosmith, he
couldn't do the podcast with

985
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,800
you.
You know, and that's what I

986
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,960
tried to tell him, you know, as
he was crying, you know, I got

987
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,360
him to wipe his eyes and go.
You're right, you're right.

988
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,280
Not quite.
I I mean, he wouldn't be the

989
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,880
first or last podcast that I've
done either from a tour bus or a

990
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,640
hotel room, that's for sure.
I do those all day long.

991
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,160
But no, I mean, that's sort of,
you know, you're going to run

992
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,000
into that at some point too.
Obviously with the Stones, like

993
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,680
the Stones, as much as they
think they can tour forever, I

994
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,920
think there's obviously an
expiration date on that at some

995
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,760
point.
Do you think that's the last

996
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,640
tour next year?
You know what, Marcel?

997
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,120
They're going to tour forever.
Yeah, they can.

998
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,560
They continue to amaze me.
Yeah.

999
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,440
We'll never.
We don't know.

1000
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,640
We'll see.
You know, we'll we'll see how

1001
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,000
you know.
I know this.

1002
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,480
That they love it.
I know that they're they love.

1003
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,520
It and that they're playing
better.

1004
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Than ever they sound incredible.
So you know, the question is why

1005
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,400
stop?
That's.

1006
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,520
True that's true because it's
again, they're not just mailing

1007
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,480
it in like they're not you know
they're not just standing there

1008
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,360
going can't get no satisfaction.
You know they're they're

1009
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,160
actually running around like
Mick just blows my mind every

1010
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,360
every every single video and
everything.

1011
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,120
I never saw the show but I've
I've seen a lot of a lot of

1012
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,000
footage on it and just blows my
mind.

1013
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,400
So impressive.
Well if they.

1014
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,320
Decide to do it.
We'll have to get you to Europe.

1015
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,120
Oh, I'd love to do that.
Go to Europe to see the stones.

1016
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,480
That'd be fun.
I'll definitely have to.

1017
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,080
You're in Europe all next year
with them.

1018
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,640
Or wait for the tour anyway.
Yeah, A. 100% decide if they're

1019
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,040
going to go or not.
So they're trying to figure that

1020
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,920
out so well.
That'll be fun.

1021
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,960
What else?
What are you doing?

1022
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,080
Are you So you're home for
Thanksgiving, You're home for

1023
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Christmas.
You're home for I'm.

1024
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,320
Actually not home for
Thanksgiving.

1025
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,160
My wife and I are going to go on
a little vacation.

1026
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,640
You know, I owe owe that to her
at least.

1027
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,760
So we're going to go do a
European Christmas vacation.

1028
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,480
We're leaving on Friday.
We're going to go to London,

1029
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,400
we're going to go to Majorca,
we're going to Munich, we're

1030
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,360
going to do the German Christmas
markets and then we're going to

1031
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,760
go to Austria.
So we're just going away.

1032
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,720
And then I, and then I come home
and go straight into the

1033
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,480
conference.
And, you know, look, I want to

1034
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,640
thank you for for your help in
the first year.

1035
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,520
You know, the first year, it was
incredible.

1036
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,200
You jumped on one of these
podcasts with me and and a

1037
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,280
couple of my partners and.
I believe in what you're doing

1038
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,040
and I believe in what you're
doing.

1039
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,640
I believe in anybody, anybody
who's educating, you know,

1040
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,600
younger people or helping
younger people that not even

1041
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,640
younger, but just other people
coming into the industry, our

1042
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,600
industry.
One thing is, you know, we need

1043
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,240
new talent.
We need a lot of it.

1044
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,200
Everyone still talks about how
they're short on, not just short

1045
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,800
on people, but short on good
people.

1046
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,000
And you know, you got to promote
all that stuff.

1047
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,160
Right.
I mean, that's lighting sound

1048
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,440
video.
I I think part of the part of

1049
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,160
that Marcel is really educating
fits that these opportunities

1050
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,960
exist.
I I really honestly believe

1051
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,800
like, like people go to
concerts, but they have no idea

1052
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,240
what it takes to, you know, put
them up and take them down.

1053
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,360
And and so I think it's really
about educating.

1054
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,160
Hey, look, there's all these
different opportunities, all

1055
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,560
kinds of different, you know,
you end the lights, you're in

1056
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,360
the sound, you know, you can go
on the tour accounting.

1057
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,040
I don't let people know that
that exists, you know well.

1058
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,000
Who's training tour managers?
You know what I mean?

1059
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Like, where are new tour
managers coming from?

1060
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,000
Look.
Look, funny enough, you know,

1061
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,920
we, you know, I've found some
great people at the conference.

1062
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,520
One of them was a young lady
named Andre Espinoza, who?

1063
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,840
We hired to do Beyoncé's tour
last year and she started Olivia

1064
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,520
Rodrigo's tour with me this
year.

1065
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,760
I mean, they're out there and
you can find them.

1066
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,000
You just have to, you know,
really look, you know, Dale

1067
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,120
Skirsip hired a production
coordinator from the conference

1068
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,280
last year.
Wow.

1069
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,160
He did this speed gating thing,
you know, and these were people

1070
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,560
got to spend 10 minutes with
some of the top production

1071
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,800
managers in the business and
they rotate and he really like

1072
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,560
this young woman and and he
hired her to come out with us

1073
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,920
last year that.
Is so cool.

1074
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,680
So there are actually job
opportunities going to this

1075
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:45,480
conference.
There are.

1076
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,800
That's unreal.
You know, You never know who

1077
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,760
you're going to meet at the
conference and they're going to

1078
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,160
give you a job, you know?
Yeah, Yeah.

1079
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,600
I never thought of that.
That's a really cool little side

1080
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,320
benefit to doing that.
Yeah.

1081
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:02,800
So you know, what's, it's funny
on that a minute, like, you

1082
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,040
know, we've encouraged some of
our sponsors at the conference

1083
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,640
to offer, you know, like
scholarships, right?

1084
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:17,560
And so, you know, what we've
done is, is during the process

1085
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:23,000
of this year, I met a lot of
people who ran for me on the

1086
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,160
Stones or either Olivia, you
know, I'd spend two or three or

1087
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,760
four days with these young folks
and, and, you know, you never

1088
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,560
know who you're going to sit in
the van with, right?

1089
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,280
And I, I try to find out about
them and, and what their hopes

1090
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,400
were for their career.
And so I was able to recommend.

1091
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,320
And then I spoke in a couple
classes.

1092
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,400
I spoke in a UCLA class.
I don't know if you remember

1093
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,600
Stig Edgren, but he teaches of.
Course.

1094
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:52,640
So Stig teaches at UCLA now, and
I spoke for his, I spoke with

1095
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,480
his class, you know, met some
young students out of that

1096
01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:00,280
class.
And so out of my, my towards

1097
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,040
this year, I was able to meet
these young folks and, and

1098
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,760
recommend them for these
scholarships.

1099
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,720
And, and I think 7 or 8 of the
kids I recommended got

1100
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,880
scholarship opportunities for
either, you know, that people,

1101
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,960
we would, the sponsors would pay
for their travel, give them a

1102
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,920
travel stipend, their ticket
and, you know, get them to the

1103
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,040
conference.
Others, you know, paid for that

1104
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,080
their ticket, you know, to get
in.

1105
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,920
So cool.
So, you know, really it's about

1106
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,400
just, you know, like anything,
Marcel, it's about being given

1107
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,080
an opportunity.
Like I was given an opportunity

1108
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,440
40 years ago.
Yeah.

1109
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,680
You just need to be given a
chance, an opportunity.

1110
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,240
And then it's up to you to prove
that you want to be here.

1111
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,160
You know that you want to do
this well.

1112
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,320
But also, and, you know, blowing
our horn a little bit, it's it,

1113
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,440
it requires marketing because I
think, like you said, when

1114
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,040
people look at a show and go,
wow, that's so cool, but they

1115
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,800
don't understand what it took to
put it together, How many people

1116
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,080
were involved in that tour, You
know, all the different roles of

1117
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,400
those people.
And I think they look at us or

1118
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,560
at not so much me because I've
never really toured, but they

1119
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:12,680
look at our industry as a bunch
of carnies or or, you know,

1120
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,840
gypsies or something.
And they don't really realize

1121
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,880
that that's a career that, you
know, look at.

1122
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,160
Here's a successful guy here,
Marty Hum, you know, who's made

1123
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,240
a very good living and a very
nice life from touring with

1124
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,640
bands for the last 40 years.
And I know a lot of L DS who

1125
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,520
make loads of money in front of
house engineers and and I'll.

1126
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,520
Tell you a funny story when I
first got into it.

1127
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,800
First of all, for for me, a
third generation Chinese

1128
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,920
American, to get into touring
business was like it was a bit.

1129
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,680
Of a stretch?
Yeah, a bit of a stretch.

1130
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,960
You know, like my parents were
very strict and my mom was a

1131
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,600
tiger mom and, you know, their
homes through that.

1132
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,080
Like I was either going to be a
doctor or an attorney and, you

1133
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,160
know, and look, I, I want to do
something I really love to do,

1134
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,880
you know, like we want for all
our kids ourselves, we want them

1135
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,160
to find something they love to
do and they're passionate about,

1136
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:07,840
right?
Yeah.

1137
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,920
We just don't want them to have
a job, right.

1138
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,440
So.
So, you know, 28, I decided that

1139
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,760
I was going to move to LA and I
saved enough money for two

1140
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,840
years.
So if I didn't make it, I was

1141
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,000
going to go back to my family
grocery store business in

1142
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,960
Sacramento.
And, you know, my my then wife

1143
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,400
said to me, how much can you
possibly make touring with

1144
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,120
bands?
Yeah, and, and you know, I, I

1145
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,280
thought hard and I got a little
calculator out.

1146
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,320
I started, I would, well, I
think if I could year, I could

1147
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,400
make 35 grand a year.
Yeah, right.

1148
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,880
And you know, like it's, it's
been an amazing ride for me.

1149
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,080
Bro, I think you might have
surpassed that just a little

1150
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,560
bit.
So I think you, I think you've

1151
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,200
done OK.
Yeah, yeah.

1152
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,120
But meanwhile in the in the
equipment industry, I'm still

1153
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,280
making 35 grand a year.
So, you know, it's, it's a

1154
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,280
beautiful place.
No, it's it, it's funny because

1155
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,320
I was talking with sooner,
sooner Ruth here about this

1156
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,680
where, you know, she said the
problem is that so many people

1157
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,040
look at our industry and they
either think I could never do

1158
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,080
that or they think, you know, I
need a real job where I can

1159
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,480
actually make 100 grand a year.
And you can come into our

1160
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,080
industry and fairly quickly make
100 grand a year, especially now

1161
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,920
when everybody's short on on
people and you can see the world

1162
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,520
for free and, and get paid to
see the world and meet a lot of

1163
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,040
really interesting lifelong
relationships.

1164
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,760
And I mean, it's an incredible
industry.

1165
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,440
It really is all those things.
You just mentioned more so you

1166
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,440
know, we fly you around the
world.

1167
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,400
You, you really, you meet, meet
a it's, it's so great that I

1168
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,120
can't really stress to you, the
community, you know that the

1169
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,600
touring community itself, it's.
Insanely cool.

1170
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,640
Yeah, and.
Really.

1171
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,320
You know really what it takes.
It just takes great work work.

1172
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:12,360
It takes a great attitude and
great work ethic and anybody can

1173
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,720
make it in our.
Yeah, yeah, well, and yeah, I

1174
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,440
mean the attitude, the ability
to get along with others.

1175
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,200
I I think for some people, like
I know for me, I'd struggle

1176
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,960
living on a tour bus with, you
know, eight other people or

1177
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,600
seven other people or whatever
I'm.

1178
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,560
Kind of over the tour buses I
don't I don't agree with.

1179
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,760
It, I know, I know, but but I'm
just saying someone coming into

1180
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,880
the industry, you know, you'd
have to be, you know, it's like

1181
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,240
my son, this was a learned
talent for my son.

1182
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,880
He's 20 years old now, but you
know, when he lived with his mom

1183
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,080
and dad full time and didn't
like he's lived in England two

1184
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,120
seasons to race over there and
stuff.

1185
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,440
So he's had to learn to live on
his own now or to live with a

1186
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,840
team or to live with his crew
members or whatever.

1187
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,480
And so he's figured out, you
know, I can't just leave my shit

1188
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,360
laying all over the bathroom.
I can't just make a mess

1189
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,640
everywhere.
I, if I cook something, I have

1190
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,680
to put the garbage away or put
the dishes, wash my dishes.

1191
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,360
So he's learned those skills.
But I think some people just

1192
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,080
getting onto a tour bus for the
first time, they're going to be

1193
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,760
in a bit of culture shock.
Perhaps they'll.

1194
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,120
They'll they'll learn really
quickly, yeah.

1195
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,360
And the people.
In that bus with it will teach

1196
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,520
you.
Yeah, You know, Seth Jackson, I

1197
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,280
was talking about this actually
in the intro.

1198
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:31,200
Seth Jackson did a book two or
three years ago, I think it's

1199
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,920
called How to Be a Successful
Concert, LD or something like

1200
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,520
that.
And he did a whole chapter of,

1201
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,520
you know, your first tour on a
tour bus, you know, and the do's

1202
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,400
and don'ts of living on a tour
bus.

1203
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,120
And I found it so interesting
because A, I've never done it,

1204
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,560
but B, where else are you going
to learn that other than going

1205
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,240
out and pissing off a lot of
people on your first tour and

1206
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,440
doing all the wrong things?
Go.

1207
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,040
On a bus, Marcel, you let me
know, Marty.

1208
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,960
You know, I think I'm good.
I think I'm good.

1209
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,120
I don't even like Holiday Inns
anymore, you know, so like I'm,

1210
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,200
I'm pretty spoiled at this point
in my life.

1211
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,960
Like camping is camping is, you
know, I got 22 double beds in

1212
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,000
my, you know, Hilton Hotel room
instead of a king bed or

1213
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,560
whatever.
Like that's that's roughing it.

1214
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,319
But no, I think I'm good.
Well, I look forward to seeing

1215
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:22,600
you.
I wish I could come to the

1216
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,359
conference this year, but it it
ends on like the 5th and I'm in

1217
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:29,800
Vegas on I think the 6th for
LDI.

1218
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,720
Yeah.
It's a bit of an overlap and

1219
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:32,520
yeah.
We.

1220
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,120
Looked at that and you know, for
three years of existence now,

1221
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,880
we've always done it.
The first week in December we

1222
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,399
changed because we used to do it
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

1223
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,240
So we kind of did it Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday this year

1224
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,160
because I know people will like
to travel and get back home on

1225
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,399
Fridays.
So right.

1226
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,520
Yeah, look, we'll.
Get you out there one year

1227
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,640
whenever, yeah.
You know, I'd, I'd love to come

1228
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,479
again and, and I think it's a
killer thing that you guys are

1229
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,680
doing.
I think all these things you're

1230
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,600
doing are amazing.
You're living a dream right now,

1231
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:00,319
my friend.
And no.

1232
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,960
More so, if you ever want to do
a podcast, come and do do

1233
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,560
podcasts out there for two or
three days.

1234
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,520
Fun.
That'd be really fun, actually.

1235
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,319
You know what, we should plan
that for next year.

1236
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,279
I'll come do podcast the whole
the whole time, the whole

1237
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,479
weekend or the whole few days of
the show.

1238
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,359
I'll I'll record some podcasts.
That'd be fun.

1239
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,800
I'm sure they could spare a
little studio room somewhere to

1240
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,800
do it in a little studio.
And it'll be.

1241
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,560
That'll be fun.
Yeah, we'll do that next year.

1242
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,080
You got all kinds.
Of people that you I.

1243
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,560
Know no, that's the perfect
place to do it.

1244
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,120
I've done it at LDIA bunch of
times where I I did a bunch of

1245
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,240
podcast, but I've got meetings
and stuff for my business at LDI

1246
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,040
too, which I would have it at
the conference as well.

1247
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,240
But but no, that would be
excellent.

1248
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,920
I'd love to do that.
We'll do that next year.

1249
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:47,200
I'll, I'll, I'll remind you of
that at some point during the

1250
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,880
year.
All right, my friend, thank you

1251
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,200
so much and good luck with
everything and enjoy your

1252
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,520
Thanksgiving vacation.
And an honor to see you.

1253
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,240
And you know, it's like, for
when I talk to you, it's like

1254
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,720
just two old friends getting
together, shooting the well.

1255
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,760
Yeah, even though we haven't
been friends for very long, but

1256
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,600
I love talking with you.
You're a you're a very kind and

1257
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,400
well loved soul and and everyone
I know in the industry thinks

1258
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,680
the world of you and loves to
work with you and I don't.

1259
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,080
Believe in any of it.
It's all bullshit, yeah.

1260
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:24,040
Yeah, well, generally when I
can't find shit on people, you

1261
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,560
know, they're generally pretty
good people, you know, And and

1262
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,360
the only thing I've heard about
you is you're tough but fair.

1263
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,440
You're tough but fair, tough but
fair.

1264
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,480
And that's what you want to be
in life, right?

1265
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,120
It's tough but fair.
So just like you want to raise

1266
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,520
your kids.
Hi, my friend.

1267
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,560
Have a good one.
Marcel, great to see you.

1268
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:44,280
Thanks and you.