#273 - Cosmo Wilson

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Episode #253 with the lovable,
wonderful, incredible Cosmo

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Wilson.
You know, I know you hear me say

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this a lot, but but really one
of my favorite humans.

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This guy's just such a great
guy.

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Anybody who knows him, you know
what I'm talking about.

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He's got thousands of friends
for a reason.

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Just a wonderful person, great
human, you know, what more can I

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say?
So we had a great talk.

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We talked about ACDC, we talked
about Aerosmith stopping,

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retiring, we talked about what
that might look like.

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We talked about Judas Priest, we
talked about all kinds of

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things.
And so I hope you enjoy it.

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It was a lot of fun.
It was great to see him again

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and enjoy.
Hello and thanks for joining me

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today on Gears of Gear episode
#273.

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Hello, how are you man?

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You know, I, I've been really
slipping up on the AI stuff.

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I've just been so freaking busy
using AI in my own business that

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I keep forgetting to not
forgetting, but just not taking

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the time to look up really great
stuff related to AI.

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And there's so much going on.
It's moving so fast.

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You know, to be perfectly
honest, I've I've always said AI

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is not coming for your job
folks, but I'm actually starting

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to change my opinion on that
because and not for, you know,

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I'm not being a doomsday, you
know, the sky is falling person.

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But you know, Elon just showed
these robots that are very cool

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and they've got the hand
movements and stuff down really

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good now so that they can do,
you know, pretty intricate

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tasks.
And they're also only like 20

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grand.
And so, you know, the idea is

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basically you can sit on your on
your ass on your couch watching

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Netflix or doing whatever it is
you do while AI does all of the

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mundane or stuff you don't
really want to be doing, you

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know, housekeeping or whatever
it is.

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You know, AI and robots can do
that stuff.

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So you can basically program
these robots to do whatever you

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want, including run front of
house sound, including run

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monitors, including, you know,
programming a lighting console.

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And so I do believe that I used
to always say plumbers and

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electricians are all safe, but I
don't know that that's going to

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be the case in the future.
Like, I think basically what AI

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is going to push us to do is all
of us have to upskill.

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And I, for one, have been
excited about it.

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I've really been embracing this
technology and I know a lot of

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people who don't.
I know a lot of people who just

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want to basically ignore it and
shoo it away and make it go.

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It ain't going anywhere.
Like there's companies investing

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literally trillions of dollars
at this point into AI

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technology, and they're some of
the hottest stocks.

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They're some of the hottest VC
investments.

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That tells you what the future
is right there.

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So yeah, you know, if anyone
ever wants to have a

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conversation about it, reach out
to me.

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You know, I I tend to know a
little bit about it and also

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just have some real views as as
far as AI and and robotics and

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all of it is concerned.
So what else did I want to talk

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about today?
I think probably by the time you

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hear this, everyone has heard
about this deal where Acuity

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bought QSC.
So first of all, who is Acuity?

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Acuity is a conglomerate of
primarily commercial lighting

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brands.
They are in the, the space where

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they sell to companies like
Grainger and, and you know,

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they're, they sell to
electricians.

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They sell lighting and, and
electrical products for

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buildings for, you know,
whatever it is new construction

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primarily, but they own a ton of
smaller and some larger lighting

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brands as well, but almost
exclusively lighting and

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controls.
And QSC is a power amp company

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primarily.
So they also have some line

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array stuff and, and some mixing
consoles and, and components.

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But they're, they're known.
I knew them.

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You know, I used to sell QSC
power amps, I hate to admit, 40

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years ago.
And so when I worked for a

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company in Canada called Axe
Music, Axe Music was a big QSC

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dealer and we sold a lot of QSC
amplifiers back then.

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But anyways, so on the surface
it looks weird, you know, and it

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was the first thought I had.
This is peculiar.

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Why would a big conglomerate of
commercial lighting brands want

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with?
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Power amplifier company,
Primarily a power amplifier or

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predominantly a power amplifier
company, but certainly a sound

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company.
And so then when I started

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thinking a little deeper, QSC
has been very popular in the

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installation world.
They really have focused on

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growing that side of their
business and have been very

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successful in that side of the
business.

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And part of it is because of
something called Qsys.

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And I'm not an audio engineer,
I'm not a a geek of any kind

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when it comes to audio.
So I don't have a huge amount of

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knowledge, but from what I
understand, it's a controls and

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systems piece of software.
Basically.

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It helps connect things to other
things and to control things

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when it comes to sound.
And so Q Sys has become a very

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big and popular and and
necessary component of the QSC

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stratosphere.
So Acuity owns something called

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pathway and pathway of course is
based on lighting controls and

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systems.
And so when you look at it from

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that side, you know, it appears
that they are just really moving

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into more control over the
entire installation universe.

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So when a hotel or a hospital or
a the an apartment or condo

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building is being built, they
not only want lighting controls

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and lighting fixtures, they want
sound controls, power systems,

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but also I'm guessing they are
going to make a large speaker

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purchase at some point.
And So what I would say is

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likely one of the big
competitors that they're going

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after at this point is, is
Harmon.

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You know, Harmon's really big in
that world as well.

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And so, so that's, that's sort
of my take on this.

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By the time you hear this,
everybody's going to know

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everything about this deal.
But I just thought I'd add a

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little color to it.
The other thing that I would say

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is it's nice to see deals of
this size getting done.

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So Congrats to QSC.
The thing that I didn't mention

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is, is this deal was at a crazy
multiple.

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And so for those of you who have
never bought or sold a company,

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companies are usually valued
based on a multiple of your

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EBITDA or your earnings or your
profit.

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And so in this particular case,
usually, I would say right now,

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companies are typically being
bought and sold between a

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multiple of three to seven,
seven to seven and a half being

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about as high as you're seeing
right now in our industry in, in

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normal companies, when you get
into the crazy tech companies

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and, and the Amazon dot coms of
the world, sometimes those

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multiples don't make any sense
at all.

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And they're not even bought
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they're not even making profit
at that point.

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But in our world, generally it's
three to seven, 7 1/2 is, is the

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range this one.
And So what I'm talking about

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with this multiple, so you take
your EBITDA or your earnings or

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your profit, which you know,
call it $1,000,000 and you say

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I'm buying the company for five
times earnings, we'll offer you

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five times earnings.
And then everyone just basically

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agrees that that 1,000,000 is
real.

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And that's called a quality of
earnings review or a quality of

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earnings report that you'll hire
an outside accounting firm to

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do.
And so based on that Q of E

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report, you are going to come up
with that final number.

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So we're going to confirm that
that $1,000,000 is $1,000,000

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and then we're going to give you
5 times that or $5,000,000 for

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the purchase of your company.
And it's a lot more detailed and

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complicated than that, but
that's that's the gist of it.

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This deal was done at 20 times
earnings, which is really,

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really high in our industry.
So the first thing I said is,

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oh, there's some strategic
reason this company is buying

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this other company.
But again, when you look at the

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surface, and this is how my
silly brain works, I sit and

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think of these things on the
surface, What could possibly be

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strategic about a lighting
conglomerate buying an audio

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company and then paying, you
know, three times what the

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normal valuation would be?
And again, it's, it's got to be

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a very strategic reason.
So they're building a sort of

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all-encompassing, they're going
deeper into the customer's

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pocket, getting more of that
project, similar to a lighting

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company that buys a video wall
and, and a sound system.

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You know, you're, you're
basically trying to become more

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of a one stop shop for your
customers.

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Cost of customer acquisition is
not going down, it's getting

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higher.
And so if you can get more out

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of that customer, once you you
acquire the customer, it's good

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for you.
It's good for your bottom line,

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especially when you're a big
conglomerate public company like

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Acuity.
So yeah, again, Congrats to QSC.

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There's some very happy people
there with very deep pockets

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right now.
So good on ya.

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And I hope to see how this all
comes together.

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And I, I bet I'm at least
partially right.

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Speaking of deals 4 wall, what
the heck is going on with four

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wall?
If anybody knows, call me and

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tell me, text me, e-mail me,
whatever.

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Let's talk.
Because I have had very, very

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good information on this company
for the last year, basically of

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all of their negotiations and
discussions.

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And people love to tell me
things and I, I'm very good

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about protecting those things
that are told to me.

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And so I thought I knew exactly
what was going on here.

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And then all of a sudden it all
blew up again on October 1st

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when the deal was supposed to be
announced.

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As of the moment that I sit here
right now, I am told that the

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deal will be done by the end of
this month.

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And so I don't know, you know,
all I know is, again, I've

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talked about this before.
It's good for our industry that

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this deal gets done and we move
forward, The whole industry

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moves forward 'cause there are a
lot of people out there right

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now who for one reason or
another are not getting paid or

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are not making sales that they
would otherwise be making.

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And so there's a financial
impact not just to Four Wall

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and, and its employees and its
customers, but also all of its

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suppliers.
It's that whole sort of live

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event stratosphere who are
impacted by it.

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And so, you know, I like a lot
of the people at 4 Wall.

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I love the brand.
You know, I'm good friends with

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Mike Cannon, who founded the
company, and so I want to see

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them thrive again.
And hopefully the brand stays.

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I'm hearing it might not, but
yeah, if you know anything,

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reach out to me.
What else?

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Moving lights are slow.
So again, if anyone has any

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insight to this one, tell me
because I don't see tours or

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shows or or any events using
less moving lights.

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They're certainly using a lot
more, but I've spoken to several

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manufacturers and I won't
mention any names of course, but

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everyone has had a really weird
Q3 and doesn't know what the

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Hell's going on.
Like just very, very slow moving

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light sales.
My own company, Gearsource, we

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have probably some of the best
listings we've ever had for

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Moving Lights, including the
hottest brands and the hottest

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products.
And some of it just isn't moving

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like you would expect it to, no
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Some of it's not selling it.
Like, you know, you get these

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listings where you go, Oh yeah,
those will be gone by this

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afternoon.
And then you look at it and a

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week later they're still sitting
there and you've only had a few

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inquiries.
So something's up with moving

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Lights right now, and I'm not
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And if anybody has any insight,
please, please tell me because I

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need to know.
And so lastly, I will say,

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Please remember to link share,
like, subscribe, click on

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whatever it is you're going to
do.

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But I appreciate any of the love
that you can give us on this

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podcast.
Obviously, when we get

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engagement, when customers or
listeners like it or subscribe

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to it, that encourages other
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and listen.
And so we believe we're putting

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out some of the best content
there is out there, especially

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in our industry and we would
very much appreciate it, not

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just me, but Sarah, who is our
only, literally our only paid

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employee in Geezers of Gear and
she wants to stay paid.

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So it's good when we increase
the size of Geezers of Gear

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listening.
And having said that, it has

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been growing very quickly.
So we do appreciate that a lot.

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And there have been three
episodes recorded this week that

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I believe are all going to help
that further along because we've

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had some really good ones,
including today's, which happens

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to be one of my favorite LDS,
one of my favorite humans on

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this planet, Cosmo Wilson.
And so we are very lucky to have

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Cosmo back on the podcast, of
course for.

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Those of you who.
Are either new to our industry?

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You're young, you don't know
him.

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Cosmo is a concert lighting
designer and director.

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He's been in the industry since
the 80s and is one of the nicest

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people you'll ever meet.
He's a legend.

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He's worked with over 40 acts
including ACDC, Aerosmith, Black

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Sabbath, Emerson Lake and
Palmer, Foreigner In Excess,

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Iron Maiden, Judas Priest,
Meatloaf, Mötley Crüe, The

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Rolling Stones, Ronnie James
Dio, David Lee Roth, Scorpions,

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and Rod Stewart.
He was a touring Rd. crew member

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from 1986 before becoming a
director and designer.

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And again, if you don't know
him, you need to get to know

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him.
Cosmo is one of the kindest,

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nicest, most followed on social
media, most active on social

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media.
You know, he loves taking a good

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selfie.
And there's a reason that Cosmo

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has thousands of friends 'cause
he's just a a wonderful human.

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So welcome back, Cosmo Wilson.
To geysers of gear.

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Hi, Cosmo.
Hi, Marcel.

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By the way, we're recording,
it's all good.

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I can edit, We have editing
capabilities.

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Yes, that's what I meant, yeah.
So sorry for for all the stress.

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So just so everyone knows, the
reason why both Cosmo and I are

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a little grumpier than normal is
because I've had to, I've had to

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reschedule Cosmo I think three
times this week.

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And and then finally we came up
with a time that we could both

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do it and then his computer
decided to shit the bed.

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So, yeah, I, my house got hit by
a tornado while I was in Canada

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in front of that hurricane that
came through Milton.

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And so we've been dealing with
all kinds of disrepair and stuff

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this week and insurance
companies and adjusters and

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construction people.
But somebody must have cut some

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Internet wires or something
because we've had like where

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it's.
Like, you know, normal is

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probably around 3 or 400
megabits per second.

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Yeah, mine has been below 1
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Per second wow, like like .8
megabits per second.

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So it's not even dial up.
It's like so slow you can't even

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use it and and then it goes up
to over a Gigabit.

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It it's just the craziest thing.
It just goes like lots of

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Internet, None, lots.
None.

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And so yeah, it's been really
hard.

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I got through two podcasts this
week somehow, but both of them

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were challenging so.
Yeah, I had Mark Brickman and

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Mark Fetto the the Yeah, I saw
it too, Marks.

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Brickman's coming up, yeah.
Yeah, I love Mark.

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Yeah, it was fun.
Brickman was a lot of fun as, as

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you might might suspect, he's
always colorful and he's a very

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passionate guy and he's really
fun to talk to.

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And he's got that cool thing out
right now with with.

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That I happen to like a whole
lot with David Gilmour and that

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paint with light.
Thing that he does.

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With his stylus I saw the video
though, pretty awesome.

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Yeah, it's pretty neat.
So anyways, here we are.

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We finally made it on and I
appreciate you being so patient

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with me and and I know you're on
a break so I caught you on a

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quiet moment.
Yeah, I wonder how you been

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trying to get me back on for
months.

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Well, you've been.
Busy for months.

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Yeah, well, I am.
Yeah, I've been trying to get

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you like on the one off day in
between 5 shows or whatever in,

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in you know, wherever Germany or
something.

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And it that, that hasn't worked.
So we got a bunch to talk about

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because of all of that, because
you've been, you know, typical

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of you since since the start of
COVID.

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It's all or nothing all the
time, right?

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Like your wife?
The poor girl is going crazy,

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I'm sure, you know, cuz it's
like I get all of you or none of

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you, nothing in between, you
know?

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So, so yeah, I want to talk
about some of that stuff.

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And and you know, I was thinking
this morning before we recorded

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this, the last time I saw you
was at that Chauvet thing in

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January.
We went to the opening.

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Damn, 10 months ago?
Yeah, yeah, I know.

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This is the problem as we get
older, right?

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Like.
Blink an eye and somebody's a

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year older and that's.
The thing blink an eye, that's

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the time goes faster and faster.
It really does seem to, doesn't

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it?
Like it seems like instead of

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all the windows are opening in
front of you, it's closing very

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quickly.
So without being a bummer, and

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I'll remind everyone again, if
you want Cosmo's life story, go

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back to episode number 78 and
listen to that.

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We're not going to go over it
again because it is a lengthy

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life story and it's very
interesting.

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But I didn't want to waste your
time or the audience's going

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over that again.
So first thing I wanted to talk

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to you about is Aerosmith.
And you know, I know that's a a

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bit of a gut punch to you
because how long did you work

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for Aerosmith?
I mean, well, I've known the

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band for for years, I mean 30
years, but I've I've actually

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worked for them on a more of a
full time basis for about for

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about 1516 or so.
Yeah, you know, so.

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That's long enough to to get it
in your system.

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Yeah.
And I mean, you know, I know cuz

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I always see you.
You share a lot of pictures with

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me.
I don't think you share him on

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social so much because he
doesn't want you to.

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But I know you're close with at
least Joe Perry.

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Yeah.
And then you see them quite

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often.
But so you know what happened

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there was that was that is that
anything you can talk about or

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can you not even?
Talk, there's parts of it I can

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discuss.
That's.

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Yeah.
I mean, what happened is we

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started the tour in 2023.
Yeah.

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And we did.
I mean, it was 40 dates we had

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booked.
We had three.

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We let me back up.
We started in September.

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We were going to go through
February and they were

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discussing adding more dates
possibly they were discussing

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Europe, you know, but it was
like, let's see how the shows

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go.
So is that, you know, a lot of

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rehearsals, programming and
build up to the first show we

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did in.
We did Philly and then

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Pittsburgh and then New York and
the shows.

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I mean, the band has sounded
better than they've ever

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sounded.
I mean, and they were loving it

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and they were all overjoyed at
how great everything was going.

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And then in New York, at some
point during the show, somehow

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Steven hit literally physically
hit his throat.

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He said he was leaning over a
railing and hit it on a railing

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and it and you know, nobody.
I didn't see it happen myself.

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But he's running around like a
madman, like he always does

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anyway.
Which is harder to do when

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you're in your 70s period, you
know?

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So the next day, we were told
that Steven had hurt his his

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throat.
I mean, we had a, it was like a

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show.
They were trying to do enough

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days off in between.
So I assume we could recover two

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to three days off in between.
Yeah, generally 2.

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Well, yeah.
And in all fairness, like when

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you're a guitar player, OK, so
your wrist or your hand or your

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fingers get sore or you might
get a bit of tendonitis or

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whatever, but.
When when your voice is your

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instrument, it is a lot more
challenging.

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Yeah, it is.
And even if it's.

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And that guy sings at a very
high level, high pitch.

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You know, that's stuff that's
hard to sing in your 20s, let

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alone in your 70s.
And he gives it his all for the

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entire entire show.
I mean, it's not like he holds

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back, but I've never done a show
where he he holds back.

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I mean, he gives it everything.
So first we were going to

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postpone a few shows and then
the doctor said that you're

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you've really damaged.
He had a fractured larynx, was

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the official.
That sounds painful.

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You know, which is generally
sporting injury, you know, and a

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lot of people were saying that
he how did he do it?

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Does he sing that hard?
Well, he sings that hard, but

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you know, from the, from the
sounds of it, he literally hit

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the railing and, you know, I, I
don't know for a fact that

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that's what happened, but that's
what he said he did.

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But at the end of the day, he,
he was unable to sing.

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And the doctor's going to say
it's going to be some time for

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this fracture to, to heal, if
ever.

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So, you know, they took, you
know, a year off and, and he,

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you know, he, he didn't push it,
but I know he was trying and

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doing whatever exercises or
therapy the, the doctors were

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saying for him to do.
And then we got to the, we

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started talking about, you know,
retooling it to go back out

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again this September.
And we'd had, you know, like a

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weekly Zoom call on how the
things were going.

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And, you know, we, we decided to
cut some stuff and move some

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stuff around just to make it
load insurance and load outs

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easier.
And they went into rehearsal.

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Not the band, Steven.
And from what I heard,

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everything was going great.
He was, he was sounding great

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and working his way up.
And on a Tuesday, we had our

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weekly Zoom call and, and
everything was 100%.

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Management was on the phone or
on the call, you know, talking

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about everything and, you know,
building up to it.

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And then that Friday, I got a
call from management saying

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we're going to announce it
publicly, but I wanted you to

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know before we pulled the
trigger on it that that tour is

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going to get cancelled.
Oh, yeah.

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And that was a gut punch.
I mean, it was a, it was a for

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several reasons.
I mean, and you know, the press

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release says that that basically
we took it that Ayersmith is

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retiring and they're not going
to ever do anything.

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And, and that's not what the
press release said.

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The press release said that they
are retiring from the touring

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stage.
I think the part of it is it's,

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it's hard to commit to a long
tour when Steven could hurt his

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voice again and, and need more
time off.

447
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240
And, and, you know, I, I,
they're, they're an uninsurable

448
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,640
band.
I'm sure like, you know, many

449
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,040
bands like Ozzy, I mean, there's
just, you know, you just can't

450
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,520
get insurance.
So I think they thought it was

451
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,960
best just to cancel the tour and
then see what happens in the

452
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,880
future.
I'm hoping, I'm thinking and I'm

453
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,360
hoping that they'll do someone
off shows in the future.

454
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,680
You know, yeah, stadium here and
there or whatever.

455
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,160
Exactly.
You kind of like the 50th

456
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,640
anniversary come out and do that
show.

457
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,440
Yeah, build up a rehearsal to it
because then you do it, I mean,

458
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,880
and then you're only on.
I don't want to say this on the

459
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,720
hook, but you're you're you're
committed to doing that one

460
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,280
show.
Whereas if you do it, you know,

461
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560
a 20 day tour, you're committed
to 20 dates.

462
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,240
Yeah, you know, and and.
Well, you just mentioned

463
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,040
something that's really
interesting that I've never even

464
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,360
thought about, the whole
insurance thing, the uninsurable

465
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,120
or insurance thing.
So, you know, obviously when a

466
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:48,480
promoter is putting out money
for 20 dates or 30 dates or

467
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,080
whatever and they're not
completely convinced that the

468
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,200
man can make it through those
thirty dates.

469
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,120
I mean, if you look at Michael
Jackson as sort of the extreme

470
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,640
example, you know, that costs
some people a lot of money, you

471
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,080
know, a lot of money, a serious
amount of money when you've got,

472
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,400
what was it, 50 shows booked at,
at the O2 or something.

473
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
So I never thought of that

474
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,400
financial aspect of it.
I I just thought like, it's

475
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,680
either infighting in the band
or, you know, like the drama,

476
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,200
obviously that you see on the
Internet as he fell off the

477
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080
wagon again.
And then there's some infighting

478
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,560
in the band.
And that's what blew it all up.

479
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,800
And I'm not going to ask you to
say otherwise because I know you

480
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,040
have a lot of friends in that
camp and and you're a

481
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,720
professional, but but you know,
it's just sad.

482
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,680
It's the end of an era, But I
mean, we're going to have the

483
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,560
ends of a lot of eras right now.
Well.

484
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,960
That's that's the thing.
You know, there's a lot of

485
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,800
people who are disappointed.
And I'm like, well, at least you

486
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,440
didn't die.
At least somebody in the end

487
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,320
didn't die.
Yeah, you know, because, you

488
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,400
know, my mother always says with
life, there's hope.

489
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,000
Yeah, and that's a good way to
say it.

490
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760
We'll see what happens.
As I said, I that's what they

491
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,760
love to do.
And, you know, I think Joe Perry

492
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,040
will continue doing his, you
know, projects and Hollywood

493
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,800
vampires.
And Tom Hamilton is out doing

494
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,320
something right now, doing his
little band together.

495
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,360
Joe Perry looks like a bit of a
physical phenom, like the guy

496
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,200
takes care of himself,
obviously.

497
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,480
And but I mean, the thing about
Steven Tyler that's sad is like,

498
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:27,280
you see guys out there like, you
know, Steven Pearcy from Rat or

499
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160
like some of these guys who
shouldn't be singing anymore,

500
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,000
David Lee Roth, you know, who
sound terrible and yet they're

501
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,560
still trying to do it.
But then you've got a guy who's

502
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,240
still at the top of his game.
Like his voice is incredible.

503
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200
He looks great.
He still does the moves and

504
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,440
jumps around.
Like Steven Tyler looks like a

505
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880
rock star.
And so it's a bummer to see him

506
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,360
end in in what?
Still appears to be his prime.

507
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Because I know how that that's
the, that's what they love to

508
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,480
do.
That's what they do.

509
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000
That's, you know, it's not like
their hobby or their job.

510
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,560
It's, it's what they do, you
know, and, and I know it kills

511
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Steven to not be able to do
this.

512
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,440
It kills him to not be able to
perform for the fans.

513
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,240
And, and I got to say for me
that this show was, you know, an

514
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,000
incredibly, we took a lot of
time.

515
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,080
I took a lot of time, you know,
building this show, designing

516
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,240
this show, programming the show,
and it was phenomenal.

517
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,120
It looks so, so good.
And it breaks my heart for me,

518
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,240
of course, because I don't get
to run it.

519
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,800
But for the fans who didn't get
to see this incredible yeah show

520
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,840
incredible, the three shows they
did were, as I said, the best

521
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,160
shows I've ever seen them do.
Well, my best friend and my

522
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,240
son's godfather Randy said.
Fuck you, Cosmo.

523
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200
He's like the world's biggest
Aerosmith fan.

524
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,200
He's probably seen him 30 * 40
times, something like that.

525
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,120
And he was so excited to see
him.

526
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360
He had his tickets and
everything, you know, like he

527
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,040
was ready to see him on this
tour.

528
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880
And, and yeah, he was the most
pit other than you.

529
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,160
He was probably the most
frustrated person I know 'cause

530
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,160
after, I think it was you who
sent me the press release when

531
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,160
it came out, I sent it to my
buddy Randy.

532
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,800
And he's like, no, no, So yeah,
it's a, it's a drag.

533
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920
And I'm sure for you, for your
wallet, for everything, it's a

534
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520
drag as well, you know, and, and
there's a lot of people who lost

535
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720
more money than you did too.
So including probably.

536
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,440
I'm guessing Gateway had some
gear on it, right?

537
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Well, actually 4 Wall ended up
getting the contract.

538
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Oh, did they?
Oh, OK.

539
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Gateway bottle.
I'm sorry 4 wall bought a lot of

540
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,920
gear for it.
I see.

541
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,480
You know, Yeah.
So that hurt.

542
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Yeah.
Hurt a company that probably

543
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,360
didn't need to be hurt right
now.

544
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,240
Yeah.
Yeah.

545
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,560
So yeah, that's a drag.
Well, you know, like you said,

546
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,400
hopefully they come back and do
some stadium tours.

547
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,920
Was the show the same as the as
the Boston one?

548
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,120
No, it was a completely
different.

549
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,200
I mean, the production levels
were, you know, the biggest

550
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360
they've ever done really.
It was.

551
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,280
It was.
But it was Arenas, wasn't it?

552
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,280
It was just arenas, yeah.
Yeah, just arenas because

553
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,200
freaking everything's in
stadiums now.

554
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,240
So which it's funny that that
that wasn't a stadium thing.

555
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,680
I mean, I guess the time of year
for one thing, but Aerosmith

556
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360
certainly could sell a stadium.
Yeah, I, I, I think they could.

557
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,680
I mean, you know, it's, but I,
you know, we sold out every

558
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,560
arena.
Yeah, and I guarantee, you know,

559
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,160
it's I'm I'm I don't know why
they picked to be in stadiums.

560
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,760
I just think they thought it was
the, I don't want to say safe,

561
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400
but I think it was a, it's where
they wanted to be.

562
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Yeah.
You know, I think bands prefer

563
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,680
arenas.
The overstate, yeah.

564
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's more
intimate in the sound coming

565
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,120
back at you and stuff.
Exactly.

566
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400
You know, like, I don't think
you feel much of the sound when

567
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,520
you're in a stadium.
Yeah.

568
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,120
Plus you there's no there's no
weather to deal with, you know

569
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:49,760
there's.
No weather.

570
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,000
Yeah, that's true too.
Yeah.

571
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Yeah.
And we're back.

572
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,840
Just like that, yeah.
So where are we?

573
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,760
We were talking about Steven
Tyler and aging musicians, aging

574
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,440
rock.
Stars, I mean Aerosmith and and

575
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,880
you know, Ozzy.
Ozzy has health issues, physical

576
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,040
health, and so he's unable to
perform.

577
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,240
Well, it's, it's interesting
that you say that because

578
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,000
everyone keeps telling me how
great the Rock and Roll Hall of

579
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,720
Fame was and I didn't get to see
it.

580
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,480
So I went on YouTube last night
and watched it and some of it

581
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,800
was incredible.
Like I did not.

582
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,440
I gotta admit I didn't like the
the Billy Idol.

583
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,720
I forget which song he did but
it wasn't great.

584
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Yeah, I agree.
I saw.

585
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,960
That yeah, yeah, it was an
Aussie song, but it wasn't great

586
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
the the Jelly roll one was
interesting.

587
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,560
It still wasn't great, you know,
cuz when you're so used to

588
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,840
hearing Aussie sing it like and
I love Jelly Roll, but that

589
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,920
wasn't great either.
But Sammy Hagar doing Foreigner

590
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,000
was actually really good.
I liked it.

591
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,640
I enjoyed the hell out of that
one.

592
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,880
So yeah, there was.
Some good and not so good, but

593
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,920
what were you saying?
I'm sorry.

594
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Yeah.
So it was sad though, seeing

595
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Ozzy I'm.
Just I'm just saying there's

596
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:16,400
there's bands are the basically
Aerosmith can still do a show.

597
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,400
I mean, you know, Steven Stevens
whole thing is, is can he keep

598
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,360
up with the touring, the pace of
a touring schedule That was.

599
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,720
That's the problem with airs.
That's a whole different thing,

600
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040
right?
He can get up and sing, but all

601
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,800
the shit in between.
Yeah, that's the thing, the

602
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,720
traveling and and the and the
consistency of doing show after

603
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,480
show after show, even if you
have days off in between it's

604
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,760
it's a.
Well, and again, not not trying

605
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,000
to dig any holes here or
anything, but I'm sure when

606
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,040
you're when you you've got
addicted be addictive behaviors

607
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,240
or are addictive, addictive ways
about you, you know, a

608
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,560
personality or whatever.
That's.

609
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,120
Hard to like just being on the
road in the same old things and

610
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,720
you know it leads you back to
temptation and bad places and

611
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,200
next thing you know, I don't
care if you're 506080, you know

612
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,239
you still find yourself in the
wrong place at the wrong time

613
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,960
and doing the wrong things.
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah,

614
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,120
there's that.
There's that as well.

615
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,440
I mean, there's so many facets
to it.

616
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,920
But I mean, like, you know, you
get on the while on the subject

617
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,440
of Ozzy, you know, when Ozzy, we
were doing Judas Priest and we

618
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,920
were going to do it.
We were all putting it for Ozzy.

619
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719
And then Ozzy cancelled the tour
and everybody was like, you

620
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,960
know, he can't, he can't walk,
he can't do this.

621
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,840
And they're like, oh, he just
give him a chair.

622
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,520
He can sit on the stage.
I'm like.

623
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,280
Yeah.
I said you simplify it.

624
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,440
I said he's not just that that
two hours or 90 minutes that

625
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,960
he's sitting in a chair on the
stage.

626
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,159
How did he get there?
And he has to leave his home and

627
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,120
go to the airport and get on an
airplane and fly and land at the

628
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,600
airport and then get in a
vehicle and go to his hotel and

629
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,639
then go.
I mean, it's a lot more to just

630
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,520
the hour and a half to two hours
on the stage.

631
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,360
Travel is hard.
Exactly you.

632
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Know touring is hard, even if
you're flying private and you

633
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,800
know staying in suites and all
that stuff, it's still.

634
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,680
Hard.
Yeah, it's, it's hard, you know,

635
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,520
and that was the thing with, you
know, Airsense tourist schedule

636
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,760
was a show two days off and a
show two days off.

637
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,000
And actually, you know, Steven
actually called me when before

638
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,360
ACDC went out and he said what
is, what is the ACDC tour

639
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,080
schedule?
And I said, well, it's two days

640
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,640
off, sometimes 3, sometimes
more.

641
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,000
He said, well, that's what I
need to do.

642
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880
And I agreed, you know, because
him and him and Brian Johnson

643
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,240
are about the same age, you
know, with.

644
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,040
The Yeah.
And so, but he agreed to doing a

645
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,760
show two days off, show two days
off.

646
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,280
And that sounds great.
All two days off.

647
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,840
Well, you know, you walk off the
stage at 11-12 O clock at night,

648
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,880
Then what do you do the next
day?

649
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,480
You fly, you travel to the next
city.

650
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,560
That's not a day off, that's a
travel day.

651
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,000
Then you have a day off and then
you're doing a show again, you

652
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,120
know, and, and so it's, it's
not, that's not that, you know,

653
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,760
I think, I think he, I think he
agreed to doing that schedule

654
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,400
and it was, it was, it was too
hard on him.

655
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,600
I mean, like I said, even ACDC,
we did two days off, sometimes

656
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,560
three or more.
Yeah, it's still hard on Brian.

657
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
You know, he's, you know, these
guys get up there for, you know,

658
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680
ACDC goes up there for two and
two hours, 1520 minutes, 2 hours

659
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,800
and 15 to 20 minutes non-stop
beginning to end, you know, and

660
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,480
he sings his heart out and Angus
plays the guitar.

661
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,080
You know, they, they give
everything.

662
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,080
So they, they, you know, the
recovery time is going to be a

663
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,440
lot more.
Yeah, yeah.

664
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,960
I want to talk to you about that
one too.

665
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,240
But so, you know, closing the
door on Aerosmith here, I guess

666
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,840
is is just that you're still
hopeful and you're you're

667
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520
probably, if you were a betting
man, you'd say that they'll do

668
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,320
some shows.
I mean, it's obviously there's

669
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,800
some level of an addiction to
this too.

670
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
You want to get back on stage.
So yes, you want to take care of

671
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,960
the fans.
Yes, you want to feed them more

672
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,920
content and material and
whatever.

673
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,160
But at the same time.
It's what you do, you know.

674
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,320
As long as you can do it, you're
going to keep doing it.

675
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,920
You know, look at Mick, I mean,
Mick Jagger is, is the is the

676
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,200
benchmark, you know, a guy at 81
years old running up and down

677
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,360
the stage and stuff is just
wild.

678
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,640
Blows my mind.
Good on him.

679
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,520
So Speaking of of ACDC, so
obviously you had a pretty

680
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,480
successful run and you know, you
being the social media maniac

681
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,360
that you are.
And I for one, happen to love it

682
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,760
because every day it's a new
adventure with Cosmo and both in

683
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,440
culinary musical and then
certainly seeing some friends in

684
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,720
selfies and stuff.
So I know you're doing all of

685
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,240
that with intent.
You're not doing it to be

686
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,960
famous.
You're doing it because you love

687
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,680
the people that you're around
and you're documenting your

688
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,160
journey basically and sharing
it.

689
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,680
And that's, I believe that's a
giving thing, not a taking

690
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,360
thing.
Like you're not, you're not

691
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,040
being selfish in sharing it,
you're being selfless.

692
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Well, I've.
Always said there's a fine line

693
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,800
between sharing and bragging.
Yeah, you know, and, and I'm,

694
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,800
I'm all about sharing, you know,
it's, I'm a happy person and I

695
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,520
love bringing happiness to
people.

696
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,320
And, you know, I, I love to
share things that I do that are

697
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,080
happy things.
And and, you know, yeah,

698
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Facebook and other social media
has given me the ability to

699
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,800
share things without back, you
know, and that's, that's what I

700
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,800
try to do.
Well, people inside the

701
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,040
industry, I think absolutely
take it as that.

702
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,320
People outside the industry,
what do they say to you?

703
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,200
Like, are they just like, holy
shit, you have an outrageous

704
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,080
life?
Cosmo, what is this?

705
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Yeah, well, it's, it's funny.
A lot of people are just like,

706
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,000
you know, how do you keep the
schedule?

707
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,600
You keep and how do you, I and,
you know, I, I look at what I'm

708
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,560
doing in the schedules and then
they go, I don't know.

709
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,520
I just, I just do it.
Yeah.

710
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,360
I don't think about it.
Yeah.

711
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Well, you started the year with
Judas Priest.

712
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,200
I mean it's so funny because all
of your bands are like in their

713
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,840
70s now.
And, and, and if you would have

714
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,520
asked me a couple of years ago,
out of those 3 bands who would

715
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,920
be the worst for where I
probably would have guessed

716
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,280
Judas Priest yet.
Holy shit.

717
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Like Rob Halford almost.
It's like he has a a new life

718
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,880
like the guy just, I mean he
sounds and looks better than he

719
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,400
did 10 years ago I believe.
I agree, you know, and, and and

720
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,320
they do overnighters, you know,
they do.

721
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400
I don't, I don't think they've
done a three in a row, but they

722
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,200
they they do a lot of two in a
rows, you know, and it's I

723
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,720
thought that I was going to stop
after the tour a couple years

724
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:35,800
ago.
I thought we weren't going to do

725
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,960
any overnighters.
And we're still, you know what I

726
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,000
mean?
I'm not with them at the moment,

727
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,160
but they're still doing
Overnighter.

728
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,880
That's wild.
In the hell I was in.

729
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,240
I did Hollywood Vampires last
summer and they were doing 3 in

730
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,600
a rows.
Yeah.

731
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,600
You know, it's incredible.
It's incredible.

732
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,200
I mean, Alice Cooper, though,
stopped all the bad shit a long

733
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,640
time ago.
So that's helpful.

734
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,440
That's helpful.
You know, the earlier you stop,

735
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,720
probably.
What's that?

736
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Age is age, you know.
Age is age.

737
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,280
Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.

738
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,080
But you know, I mean, you see
guys who are 60 who who are not

739
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,240
faring very well.
Yeah.

740
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,920
And then you see guys.
Who are like Joe, Mick Jagger

741
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,880
like.
You said exactly, exactly.

742
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,960
So I don't know if that's genes
or, or some sort of, you know,

743
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,080
medical miracles going on behind
the scenes or what, but I.

744
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,480
Think it's state of mind.
I really.

745
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Yeah.
But it is interesting that you

746
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,760
started the year with with Judas
Priest and you were going to end

747
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,400
with with Aerosmith.
And it would have been like, you

748
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,240
know, like a trifecta, like just
the perfect year in a sense,

749
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,440
right?
I know, yeah.

750
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,200
But obviously if you walk into a
year like that, you're going,

751
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640
something's going to break, you
know, there's just no way or.

752
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,720
Three months, you know, when
Aerosmith announced and you

753
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,120
know, amongst the camp, there
was a lot of doubt as if we

754
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,000
could actually do this.
Is it going to happen?

755
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,800
Are we going to be able to
maintain the pace?

756
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,760
I mean, when I saw the schedule
was a show two days off, just a

757
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,560
constant, you know, show two
days off, I was like, wow, you

758
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,320
need a little break.
And then we had, we did have a

759
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,280
little break in October for for
a little bit, a little break for

760
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Thanksgiving and Christmas.
But we were right.

761
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
I mean, you know, I think we got
we were going to take Christmas

762
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,920
off and then right back at it
because they were going to do a

763
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,000
New Year's Eve show in Boston.
Yeah.

764
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,920
And we needed a couple of warm
up shows before that so that,

765
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,400
you know, right then and there.
It's like December 26th.

766
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,760
We were leaving, but you know,
it didn't happen.

767
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,520
But hopefully, I mean, that
would be, see, that would be a

768
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,280
nice thing to do is, is for them
to do a New Year's Eve show.

769
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,360
Yeah, as a one off.
So we'll see, you know, But

770
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,600
yeah, it would have been great.
You know, I was looking forward

771
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,800
to, you know, free straight into
ACDC, straight into Aerosmith,

772
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,440
you know, Right?
Yeah, but on the upside, you get

773
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,600
a break, so.
That's the thing, you know, I

774
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,400
was, It's funny because when
Aerosmith cancelled, I was just,

775
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,360
see, we were in Hanover,
Germany.

776
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,840
We were probably maybe two or
three weeks to the end of the

777
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,680
ACDC run.
So it was a, it was terribly

778
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,880
disappointing at first, of
course.

779
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,320
And then I thought, you know,
I'm, I'm because I've been in

780
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,440
Europe for six months with a
little bit of a break between

781
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,440
Jews priest and ACDC.
So I was like this, this will be

782
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,480
good.
Spend some time at home.

783
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,760
So, and then I got a call about
Godsmack.

784
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,960
They needed an LD and I
contemplated it for literally

785
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,200
for a minute.
I thought, Nah, it was a month

786
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,560
long and it was just too much
work, too many dates.

787
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,320
It was just too.
And I thought, no, I didn't do

788
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,280
it.
So I, I turned that one down.

789
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,320
And then like two days later, I
saw originally black, black

790
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,320
crows are just open up for
Aerosmith on that, on that, on

791
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,000
this, on this, you know, the
run.

792
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,200
So then Aerosmith Kansas.
So the crows decided, you know

793
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
what, let's just rebook some
smaller venues in the same

794
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,960
cities and do the same thing.
So they did that.

795
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,280
So.
And Chris Stubba, who was a good

796
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,800
friend of mine, unfortunately
passed away.

797
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Yeah, and they were looking for
an LD.

798
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,080
So I got a call about not asking
me so much.

799
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,160
They said, do you know anybody
who's available?

800
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,680
And I thought about it.
I thought, you know, do I want

801
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,960
to do Black Crow?
So I contemplated it once again

802
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,760
for a few minutes.
You know, I talked to my wife

803
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,920
about it and I thought, you
know, she said, what?

804
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,320
It's up to you.
You know, she doesn't dictate

805
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,200
what I do or.
Don't, which is amazing.

806
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,520
And Mike, I just said no, take,
take some time off.

807
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,720
You, you need some time off
because I, you know, the

808
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,600
pandemic, you know, I had time
off of the pandemic, but I mean

809
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,000
I really even, you know, 2021 I
started working with Gateway,

810
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,200
you know, and I was in Saint
Louis a lot.

811
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,720
And then the beginning of 22 I
was off to the races.

812
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,840
You know, I did six different
bands that year starting with

813
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,680
Slash and I was on the road 300
days of 2022.

814
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,600
And then, you know, 2023 was
another, you know, banner year,

815
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,600
you know, I did 5 bands that
year, you know, including the

816
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,640
stuff in Coachella with ACDC and
Judas Priest.

817
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,000
And then right into 2024, you
know, right into February, we

818
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,240
started Judas Priest right up
until basically the 1st of

819
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,600
September.
Yeah.

820
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,640
So I thought it was, it was good
and I'm glad I did.

821
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,520
I mean, Deanna's mother has been
living with us for a few years

822
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,600
now and it's about time for her
to, to go to a, you know, not

823
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,920
not a nursing home or an old
folks home, but more of a

824
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,840
assisted living.
Assisted Living.

825
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,840
Yeah, and we found a place the
first week I was home, we found

826
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,360
a place it was like destined to
be.

827
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,400
And then, you know, we and
another thing, you know, the

828
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,760
hardest thing for me when I'm on
the road, and I think you could

829
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,880
ask almost anybody, you living
in Florida, you know as well is

830
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,360
not being here for hurricanes,
you know, especially when I'm

831
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,600
here, not here.
My wife is, yeah.

832
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,920
She's not used to hurricanes.
And there's Yeah, honey.

833
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Just put up all the shutters and
bring in all the furniture from

834
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,920
outside and trim the trees.
And live for three weeks without

835
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,640
power you.
Know.

836
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,760
Yeah, exactly.
When I'm here, you know, I have

837
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,920
a generator that that powers
most of the house, but it has to

838
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,400
be set up.
It has to be fueled.

839
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,640
It has to, I have to rewire my
box because, you know, the way I

840
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,680
put it in the house, it's it's
something that I have to do.

841
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Yeah.
She can't do it.

842
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,920
You know you don't just.
Have a transfer switch on the

843
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,040
outside of the house or
something?

844
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,960
OK, so Fast forward to the
promise that I've been making

845
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,960
since Hurricane Irma in 2017 is
we're going to get a whole house

846
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,160
generator.
But yeah, you know, it's it's

847
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,160
the storm passes.
You OK?

848
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,400
Things are back to normal for a
year.

849
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,320
Yeah.
Yeah.

850
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,640
And then nothing happens.
You know, we did in 2018.

851
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Nothing 19 I think we had the
the storm Ian was the two years

852
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,720
ago 2/20/2022 Yeah.
And she was out power about 3

853
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,000
weeks.
Even then I should have learned

854
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,880
a lot.
But yeah, my neighbor came over

855
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,160
and hooked up my generator for
me.

856
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,280
So she had power for that.
So that it was about a week, a

857
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,040
week of power to shoot, a week
of no power.

858
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,360
Yeah.
So on this one, I, you know, I

859
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,200
said I got the generator set up
and but now I'm putting in a

860
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,280
whole house.
I'm done, you know.

861
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,920
I, I, I don't remember the name
of the hurricane, but one hit

862
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,240
Palm Beach right when I moved to
Palm Beach.

863
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:40,360
I moved to Palm Beach in August
of 2025 or 2005, Sorry.

864
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,320
And in October of 2005, a
hurricane hit and we lost power

865
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,680
for 2 1/2 weeks or whatever.
And you know, to people

866
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,600
listening, they're like, big
deal, right?

867
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,440
But try living in South Florida,
you know, with no electricity.

868
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,840
And thank God it was in October
because at least we had a few

869
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,280
sort of cool days.
You could put some fans on and

870
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,040
you'd be OK.
But I mean, I had a big noisy

871
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,960
generator outside that only I
think it was 10,000 watts.

872
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,200
So it ran a lot of stuff, but I
had literally extension cords

873
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,120
running throughout my house.
And so I had a fridge and some

874
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,720
fans and stuff.
But right after that I put in a

875
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,040
whole house generator and it
cost me 30 grand.

876
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,360
And since that time, so I sold
the house a couple years ago,

877
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,680
but never used it.
It, it exercised.

878
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,920
It exercised every week.
Every Monday, it would start up

879
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,320
for 5 minutes and shut back off
again.

880
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,160
And then a couple times we lost
power for like a couple hours.

881
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,200
And it did run.
Yeah, it did run for a bit and

882
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,600
then shut itself off.
But you know, it's Peace of Mind

883
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,280
too, like, especially when
you're traveling as much as you

884
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,560
are.
And you know, now with, with

885
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,280
some of the less expensive
systems, like the one I had was

886
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,280
an American company called
Gillette out of Indiana.

887
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,320
And it was a pretty expensive
rig, but now I think you can get

888
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,480
like Generac and stuff that's
not that expensive.

889
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,360
That's what I'm getting and and
it's, you know, I've been

890
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,440
talking about it for a while.
So yeah, I'm from Massachusetts.

891
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,000
That's what he does.
He's coming down to, oh, that's

892
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,440
cool.
And then and then.

893
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,760
You know, probably never need it
like you say, which is fine.

894
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Yeah, You know what, It's just
like insurance or anything else.

895
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,640
It allows you to sleep well at
night.

896
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960
So when you do need it, it's
nice to sit outside with a

897
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,240
cocktail in your driveway, you
know, with your house lit up and

898
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,440
music playing and stuff.
And all your neighbors are like,

899
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,840
dude, you suck.
Yeah, I do.

900
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Yeah, Yeah.
You get all the hurricane

901
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,400
parties from now on.
So.

902
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,280
Yeah, ACDC.
So, you know, again, all I saw

903
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,680
was pictures and videos and
stuff.

904
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,240
Of course the lighting rig was
cool.

905
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,760
And you can tell me a little bit
about that.

906
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,000
But you know, it was cool to see
Brian almost able to hit all the

907
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,600
notes and, and Angus still
rocking and doing his schoolboy

908
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,680
thing and, and you know, I'm
sure it's harder for them, you

909
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,120
know, than it once was for sure,
like even Angus to head bang and

910
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,040
do all that stuff.
It's got to be a little tougher

911
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,520
when you're in your 70s than
when you're 30 or whatever.

912
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,800
But I mean, it looked and
sounded incredible.

913
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,000
And you know, again, when you
think like, I remember the the

914
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,240
outdoor bonfire party I was at
when Back in Black came out and,

915
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,200
you know, just and like, wow.
And that was God.

916
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,440
I don't know what year that was,
but it was over 40 years ago.

917
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:37,840
Yeah, it was probably. 198081
yeah. 1980s when Back in Black

918
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,760
came out, Yeah.
So I was, I was at AI, was at a

919
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,240
party and and, you know,
somebody put that on and I was

920
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,480
like, holy shit.
Is that the new ACDC?

921
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,720
Yeah.
And so tell me, tell me all

922
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,560
about it.
Like did you use any new tech?

923
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,840
Out there this year.
What do you mean new tech?

924
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,880
New fixtures?
New.

925
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,320
Like I know you were looking at
the big Roby outdoor thing.

926
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,120
Did that end up on it?
Oh yeah, we, we Oh yeah, we used

927
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,800
a lot of new, new brand new
tech.

928
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,440
No, not technology, but
fixtures.

929
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,360
Yeah, yeah, we used the the
Roby, the I bolt.

930
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,720
Yeah, that's the one that which?
Is, which is basically their

931
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,080
version of an LED Searchlight.
Yeah.

932
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,320
And it was, you know, it was
very impressive.

933
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,640
You know, it was, it was
extremely bright.

934
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,680
It's a, it was a, it's a, it's a
big, huge, looks like a

935
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,080
Searchlight.
But it's, I mean, it's, it's a,

936
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,040
it is a, there's some teething
problems, you know, as there

937
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,040
were.
I mean, we don't, you know we

938
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,560
don't.
Even think it was available when

939
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,960
you took it out, was it?
Well, I mean, we were one of the

940
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,000
first bands that took it out, I
think.

941
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,520
And I think they were having
issues because they it's it's,

942
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,040
it's it's it's say it's laser
based lighting fixture.

943
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,760
It sounds dangerous and it
sounds cool.

944
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,960
It's not like everybody effects.
It acts like it's a laser

945
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,640
pointing out of the light, you
know, and it's not, it's, it's

946
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,240
laser phosphate, the way they do
it.

947
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:09,360
I don't know the the whole
technology about it, but it,

948
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,880
it's a very, very bright light,
but it's not laser.

949
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,920
It's not like a beam.
It's like a laser video

950
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,960
projector.
Yeah, it's, yeah, It's a light

951
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,520
source.
It's just a light source that

952
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,680
happens to have a laser.
I mean, it, it hits you in the

953
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,000
eyes, it's just as bright as any
other kind of Searchlight or any

954
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,120
kind of other, you know, you
know, they, they said it would

955
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,280
be comparable to the lights that
I use on the 9/11 lights, which

956
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,600
are the 7K space cannons.
Yeah.

957
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,200
And I think it's bright like
that, but it's, it's, it's

958
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,800
apples and oranges because
that's actually a, a lamp that

959
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,600
is, has a reflector, whereas
this is, this is a, you know,

960
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,280
focus light in a different way.
And you know, I, I think it I

961
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,160
don't think it shoots as far.
I don't think it has the throw

962
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,560
yeah, 7K space can or A7K, you
know, Searchlight.

963
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,600
But but I was it was pretty
impressive.

964
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,440
I would I would shine that light
when I was focusing.

965
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440
I would hit buildings way off in
the distance and.

966
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Yeah, you know.
It was a.

967
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,240
It was a.
Yeah, I thought you, I thought

968
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,360
you had some of those out and I
think it was predominantly a big

969
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,640
Roby rig, wasn't it?
It was.

970
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:22,960
Well, we had those.
We had the GLP, the X5XX5.

971
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,680
Why am I doing?
This bar, what's that?

972
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,120
The bars no.
No, no, they were, they, they

973
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,720
were an X5, They were like a
they were like a big.

974
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,920
They were like a tarantula.
But the X5, I want to say X, but

975
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,080
that's not it.
You're going to have to edit.

976
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,080
Well, it doesn't matter.
You can edit, but it's all good.

977
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,760
Yeah.
Next, 5 wash lights.

978
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Yeah, yeah.
And they were incredible.

979
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,320
I mean, though they were, you
know, and that was a brand new

980
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,840
fixture as well.
And, and we had support from

981
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,000
both Roby and, and GLP on both
the fixtures and, and it, you

982
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,600
know, it took a few software
upgrades to get them up and

983
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,040
running, but you know, we
managed to do it.

984
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,480
And mostly in rehearses.
We, we got out of the gate and

985
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,400
they had to come out a couple of
times, you know, which is great

986
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,560
because we were right there in
Europe.

987
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,560
So the GLP in Germany, they were
there and the Roby guys in Czech

988
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,200
came out and and they were
great.

989
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,840
Well, those techs love going out
to especially a show like ACDC.

990
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,720
It's like, oh, I got to go fix
some lights yes, you know they

991
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,600
they dig it, but you know ACDC,
like one of the things I saw in

992
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,360
a lot of the videos that I was
watching is like all those guys

993
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,440
smashed up against the barricade
and stuff going you know that

994
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:39,080
you got like 14 year olds next
to 40 year olds next to 70 year

995
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,160
olds.
You know, it's they are one of

996
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,880
those bands that really has
bridged so many generations of

997
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,280
fans.
It's awesome.

998
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,440
You know, like Pink Floyd, Pink
Floyd always had that too.

999
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Where I remember I was telling
Brickman this on the podcast the

1000
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,000
other day, I went and saw
Division Bell and I was sitting

1001
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,280
in the stands with my then wife
and I was looking around and I

1002
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,880
was like, hey, look, and she
goes what?

1003
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,760
And I said, there's like 15 year
olds, There's 215 year old girls

1004
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,120
right in front of us, guessing
their age, of course.

1005
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,360
And they knew every word to
every song.

1006
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,600
And I was like, that blows my
mind.

1007
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,280
Like you know they were not even
close to being born when these

1008
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,120
songs.
Came out.

1009
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,040
I mean, I think bands like that,
like ACDC, like Floyd, they

1010
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,560
transcend age.
They, you know, especially a

1011
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,720
band like ACDC, you hear them
everywhere, especially sporting

1012
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,480
events, you know, baseball,
football, soccer.

1013
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,320
I mean, you know, they're always
playing in the, you know, the

1014
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Hells bells.
You hear the bell at least just

1015
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,520
because it's ominous, you know,
Yeah, yeah.

1016
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,960
So, I mean, you hear it.
So they hear it.

1017
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,880
And.
And I just think, you know, I

1018
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,320
think when ACDC goes out on
tour, it's become the buzz.

1019
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,840
Parents want to bring their
kids, and kids want to go

1020
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,800
because for two reasons.
They, they, you know, they've

1021
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,160
heard all this music, their lot
their entire life #1 to #2

1022
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,800
because I, I think you start to
know that this could be the last

1023
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,800
time.
Yeah, you know, this could be.

1024
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,800
And so it's that that in itself
is like, you know, let's let's

1025
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,880
go see ACDC because you never
know when we're going to see him

1026
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,320
again.
That's something weird about

1027
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,880
every one of your shows.
It seems you know every one of

1028
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,680
your shows like this could be
the last time.

1029
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,960
Well, that's what I said about
Airson, you know, and I had some

1030
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,840
friends that come to the New
York show and I said, listen,

1031
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,960
this could be the last ever New
York, last ever Airson show.

1032
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,320
And you know, at the moment I
was right.

1033
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,240
That was the last.
Error.

1034
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,000
That's wild.
Yeah, that is that is

1035
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,920
interesting.
Any any highlights from from the

1036
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,920
ACDC run?
Well, ACDC, you know, we, we

1037
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,160
toured in 2016, you know, that's
when they had the whole thing

1038
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,440
with Brian's ears and Axel
coming in and you know, so that

1039
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,880
was done, finished that, you
know, Brian got some new

1040
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,360
technology for his ears and, and
they, they did the album and

1041
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,680
that and the that, that, and
that was during COVID and that

1042
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,840
kind of kept them in the, in
the, you know, the, the vision

1043
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,760
of people that they were still
doing things, you know, and then

1044
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,960
we did Coachella and and that
that show was like, you know

1045
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,560
what, let's see what happens.
Let's see how it sells.

1046
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,600
Let's see how they do, let's see
how they're received.

1047
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,040
You know, so it was a lot riding
on that show.

1048
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,760
It was, it was, I'm not going to
say stressful, but it was

1049
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,240
concerning because, you know, we
were, we were, it's funny, right

1050
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,040
before the show, you know,
because I did Judas Priest

1051
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,320
before ACDC.
Then there was the hour between,

1052
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,400
you know, the set change and I
just this sense of calm came

1053
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,360
over me and me and Pab, the
sound engineer looked at each

1054
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,120
other and said, this is going to
be phenomenal.

1055
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,880
Yeah, we were right, man.
They came out and just knocked

1056
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,800
it out of the park.
It was, it was an incredible

1057
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,320
show and it really gave me
relief.

1058
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,920
I thought, you know what?
I think we'll do something, you

1059
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,240
know?
What were you thinking?

1060
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,840
What were you thinking doing
both bands at Coachella?

1061
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,160
Like that's lunacy.
Well, I mean I was, you know, I

1062
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,360
was already doing Judas Priest
and then ACDC and you know,

1063
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,960
Martin Walker, the production
manager, sound engineer for

1064
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,080
Judas Priest said do you want to
do it?

1065
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,120
And you know, I went to Opie and
the band I said do you mind?

1066
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,480
They said fine, you know, then
no problem at all.

1067
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,760
And you know, then I got there
and I started I was programming

1068
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
it.
I was in pre vis with, with ACDC

1069
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,520
and I realized how much work I'm
going to have to put in the

1070
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,800
Judas Priest.
I'm like, man, I'm not going to

1071
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,520
get any sleep here, but I did.
And you know, it was kind of,

1072
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,440
you know, we, I, I, I'm not
going to say I worked on Judas

1073
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,280
Priest on ACD CS time.
I mean, I worked on Judas Priest

1074
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,400
on my time, but you know, I used
a lot of the same tools I had

1075
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,000
available to ACDC.
So it was, it was, it was

1076
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,440
helpful.
And, you know, it was the same

1077
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,200
lighting rig minus a few
different things here and there.

1078
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,120
You know, we had the pitchfork
for Judas Priest and we had the

1079
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,000
bell for ACDC.
So but, you know, and, you know,

1080
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,840
ACDC we pretty much programmed
from scratch.

1081
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,120
And what I did was Judas Priest
Priest is I cloned everything

1082
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,200
over.
And so I already had a show in

1083
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,520
that case.
And it was just a matter of

1084
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,680
focusing.
And, you know, when we finished

1085
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,160
ACDC, I would work on Judas
Priest.

1086
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,160
And so it was, I was not on my
mind, but it was a great feeling

1087
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,320
to accomplish that in both.
Yeah, it was a great, great,

1088
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,880
great thing.
So, so coming out of there, you

1089
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,880
knew ACDC probably was.
Yeah, we left there in the

1090
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,680
band's attitude, you could tell
they wanted to do something.

1091
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,160
Angus was I could say he was
relieved as well that it went as

1092
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,760
well as it did, you know, and
and, you know, nothing was

1093
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,800
talked about there.
Said that.

1094
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,680
Nobody said, oh, great, now
we're going to do a tour.

1095
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,840
But you could just tell it, it
just it left the door open and

1096
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,400
and that was in October.
Then a few months later, you

1097
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,600
know, we got the call that we're
going to do a tour.

1098
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,320
And it was, you know, fantastic.
And, you know, and it was like,

1099
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,160
well, we're going to go to
Europe and we're going to do 24

1100
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,840
dates and in about four months,
you know, three months of

1101
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,400
touring, a month of the
rehearsals.

1102
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,400
And, and once again, I think
that was like, let's get out

1103
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,880
there and take it a show at a
time and see how things go, see

1104
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,560
how Brian does, see how Angus
does.

1105
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,480
See, you know, we have basically
2 new band members with the

1106
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,080
drummer and the, and the bass
player with Matt and Chris.

1107
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,360
And so we get out there, we get,
you know, they go into

1108
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,400
rehearsals much earlier than we
start programming.

1109
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,320
Then we get to London and and
then they hit the rehearsal

1110
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,000
stage and it just was
unbelievable.

1111
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,840
It's like, boy, this is going to
be great, you know, and and you

1112
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,960
know, Brian's one of those
singers that he, he, he when

1113
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,080
he's in front of it on he's,
he's, he's 120%.

1114
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,880
And I mean, they get up on stage
and they give it.

1115
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
But but you know, it was with
the proof was going to be in the

1116
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,480
pudding when we did the first
show.

1117
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,880
And so we get to Gelson Kirk and
we rehearse there and, and then

1118
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,920
we do our first show.
And man, it was just like, once

1119
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,480
again, another relief.
And just Brian killed it.

1120
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,360
Angus killed it.
The new band guys killed it.

1121
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,080
I mean, the audience loved it.
You know, there's a lot of

1122
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,600
people saying, oh, they should
just hang it up.

1123
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,920
You know, they should, they they
should just hang it up.

1124
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,920
They're all too old.
And, boy, I was happy to see the

1125
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,280
naysayers shut up.
Yeah, but you know, the fans.

1126
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,040
And we sold out every show and.
And you know.

1127
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,640
Again, that's that's stuff
that's not easy to sing when

1128
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,160
you're young, let alone when
you're in your 70s.

1129
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,360
And the crazy thing is, like
their newest album, Power Age,

1130
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:17,120
is it called Power Up?
Power Up, Power Up to me sounds

1131
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,920
like every other ACDC album, you
know, And so it's not like he

1132
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,280
just came out singing like, you
know, like a crooner like Frank

1133
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,760
Sinatra or something.
Like he's still doing the

1134
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,000
screaming thing.
So, you know, he didn't cut

1135
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,320
himself any breaks there at all.
And, and I mean, yeah, some of

1136
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,120
the videos that I've seen, he's
like really struggling to hit

1137
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,320
some of the notes and stuff, but
God bless them.

1138
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,240
And like, I couldn't do one
whole night of that little.

1139
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,040
That's that's what I mean, you
know, tour, I got to tell you,

1140
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,400
you know, we did three shows,
three shows on the airs of the

1141
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,880
tour.
So once we get to three shows on

1142
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,480
ACDC, I was really, really
happy.

1143
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,640
Then we hit four and I was like,
great, we're past that.

1144
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,200
And that was my personal thing.
And then we hit.

1145
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,760
Double digits, we hit show #10
and that was a relief.

1146
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,320
You know, I mean, we only did 24
shows.

1147
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,840
I mean, that wasn't a lot of
shows.

1148
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,360
But once again, it was like,
let's see how this goes before

1149
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,440
we move to the next step.
So that tour went extremely,

1150
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,080
extremely well.
We didn't, you know, we didn't

1151
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,360
cancel, we didn't postpone a
single show.

1152
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,080
That's awesome.
And you know, Brian, you know,

1153
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,600
every, every band member, I
don't care young or old

1154
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,960
struggles here and there, you
know, people get sick and stuff

1155
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,920
like that.
But, but he, he was very good

1156
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,280
about, you know, taking
advantage of the days off,

1157
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,880
getting rest.
You know, we would see him on

1158
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,640
days off sometimes, but he made
sure to, to, to take care of

1159
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,920
himself and it showed, you know,
and, and you know, it's, it's

1160
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,360
like I think you were saying
before, but you know, they,

1161
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,200
they, they really come in and,
and play hard, sing hard.

1162
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,280
Well, they push each other.
Yeah.

1163
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,960
Brian does it for Angus and
Angus does it for Brian.

1164
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,400
And you know, they, they, they,
they, they go up there and

1165
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,800
they're not competing against
each other, but they're,

1166
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,200
they're, they're, they're,
they're up there to do their

1167
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,320
job, to get up there and kick
ass when they're.

1168
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,920
Yeah, I love that.
I I really do love that.

1169
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,360
And it's it's so cool.
So when when that tour ended and

1170
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,800
you were saying goodbye, did
that feel like done or did that

1171
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,080
feel like, see you later?
Well, I felt like, see you later

1172
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,720
when we went back, myself and
Pab went backstage and, you

1173
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,680
know, sat with sat with Angus
for a little bit after the show

1174
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,240
and and, you know, just
congratulated him on getting

1175
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280
through it.
And and, you know, he said, oh,

1176
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,360
it's great, successful.
And and he, you know, he says

1177
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,840
this.
He says, this is what I do.

1178
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,520
Yeah, this is what I love to do.
And and he left the feeling with

1179
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,760
me that we're going to do more.
You know what, we'll we'll see.

1180
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,960
You know, it's, you know, we
have not done any shows in the

1181
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,840
US yet.
We did 24 shows in Europe.

1182
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,720
And I mean, I think we did 16
cities because we did several

1183
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,360
double dates, you know.
So I mean, we could easily go

1184
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,520
back to, I mean, we didn't play
anything in Scandinavia.

1185
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,920
We played one city in Spain.
We played, we played Paris and

1186
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,000
France.
We didn't play anything in

1187
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,320
Portugal.
I mean, there's a bunch of

1188
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,720
countries who didn't play at
all.

1189
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,840
We played London and Britain.
That was it.

1190
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,640
You know how?
Many You didn't do any US shows,

1191
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,280
did you?
Other than Cortana, US shows and

1192
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,200
yeah, Australia, you know,
South.

1193
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,680
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean it, it's, it's

1194
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,440
plausible to think that they
could be doing some US shows

1195
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,400
next year.
And I mean, I'm not trying to

1196
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,280
make anything up, but that'd be
fun.

1197
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,680
Well, I mean, as I said, I
haven't officially heard

1198
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,920
anything.
Yeah, and you know, when, when I

1199
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,120
I never, even when I do hear
things, I don't talk about it.

1200
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,560
When, if, if people ask me when
is ACDC going to tour?

1201
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,160
I'm like, you'll know when they
put it on their on their social

1202
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,440
media pages.
Yeah.

1203
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,320
I know I tried to get it out of
you like crazy earlier this year

1204
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,800
and you wouldn't tell me.
You know, it's funny though,

1205
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,120
because like I was thinking
about this earlier when I was

1206
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,400
thinking about all of these
older bands that you're with and

1207
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,640
guys in their 70s and stuff.
And we're all approaching, you

1208
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,400
know what I mean?
So it's not like any of us is

1209
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,280
getting any younger.
And I'm seeing, I'm seeing

1210
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,560
people in our business last a
lot better, you know, now that

1211
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,520
we know more about health and
now that we're not all on drugs

1212
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,480
and alcohol all the time
ANYWAYS.

1213
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,760
And, and most of us are eating a
little healthier and, and just

1214
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,280
being a little healthier with
our lifestyles and stuff.

1215
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,760
But I thought I was thinking
about athletes.

1216
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,960
And I remember when Dan Marino
retired, I think he was 34 or 35

1217
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,320
and people were like, oh, he's
so old.

1218
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,640
It's time to time to step down.
And now you got quarterbacks

1219
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,200
playing into their 50s, you
know, And I mean, yes, it's a

1220
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,040
slightly different game.
They're protecting quarterbacks

1221
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,480
a lot more than they used to.
Pads have gotten better, helmets

1222
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,880
have gotten better.
But still, like, you know, I

1223
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,240
think we're going to see that
more and more in sports.

1224
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,200
I think we're going to see it
more and more in music.

1225
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,160
And God forbid our industry, you
know, we're going to see it more

1226
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,120
like, you know, an example is
Robert Roth.

1227
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,600
He's going to be 70 any minute.
And I talked to Robert the other

1228
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,600
day.
He's as sharp now as he was 1520

1229
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,360
years ago, probably sharper
because he hasn't been drinking

1230
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,560
in 18 months.
So you know, he's totally, I

1231
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,600
don't know if you know that, but
he's clean and sober now.

1232
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,240
Yeah, I saw him in New York.
He came to the 9/11 lights and I

1233
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,440
saw him, Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1234
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,680
I mean, and, and, you know, he,
he remembers things better.

1235
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,720
He's he's much sharper and he's
on his game and so.

1236
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,280
Good on them.
You know who says you got to

1237
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,960
stop at 65 or whatever?
Like, certainly not me.

1238
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,360
Bingo.
Yeah.

1239
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:47,440
So, yeah, I mean, what else?
Gateway, Gateway.

1240
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,280
So you're still with Gateway I
guess?

1241
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,320
Yeah, I'm still with.
Gateway.

1242
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,240
I just wanted to make sure
before we went into it.

1243
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,120
I was just up there.
What days today, today is.

1244
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,760
Friday.
I was up there.

1245
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,080
I came home Wednesday, OK, I
went up.

1246
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,440
There was an event our one of
the guys, upper management guys,

1247
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,080
guy named Jerry Kerr, He, he was
paralyzed in a diving accident

1248
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,320
many years ago.
And he started this organization

1249
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,880
called SEGS for Vets.
And he's been doing it for about

1250
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,360
20, I think 19 or 20 years.
And they have a annual charity

1251
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,640
event, which what they do is
they have severely injured

1252
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,200
veterans that they give chairs
to.

1253
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,080
And these aren't just like
wheelchairs.

1254
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,240
They're like Segways that are
turned into wheelchairs.

1255
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,480
So they're, they can basically
go anywhere.

1256
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Like, you know, they, you, you
can go mountain climbing in

1257
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,000
these things.
I mean, they're, they're very

1258
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,880
strong in track, but they, they,
they give the, they give the,

1259
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,600
the person a lot more mobility.
So every year they have this

1260
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,120
thing called the fireside chat.
And part of it is where they

1261
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,320
give away the chairs and also
the guys that get the chairs

1262
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,840
talk about, you know, not only
the new guys, but the guys that

1263
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,000
have had them for, you know, 15
years have talked about how much

1264
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,120
changed their life and, and gave
them back.

1265
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,520
It made them independent.
But they also have a thing

1266
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,920
called the fireside chat.
And they have several generals,

1267
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,880
two or three, four generals, you
know, or Admirals or I mean, you

1268
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,560
know, just brass.
And they, they just they talk

1269
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,760
about their guys, you know, it's
really touching.

1270
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,360
And they also talk about their
views, their view of the state

1271
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,320
of the world.
You're not political, you know,

1272
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,600
just more like military from a
military standpoint.

1273
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,080
That would have been interesting
this year it.

1274
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,280
Really is and last year as well
because it was right after the

1275
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,040
Israel.
Yeah, yeah.

1276
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,040
So it's interesting to hear what
they you know, they talk about

1277
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,400
how you know how strong the
American military is and.

1278
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,440
And, you know, it's, it's
interesting to hear them talk

1279
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,920
about it, but it's, it's mainly
all about the, the guys that,

1280
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,200
that get the shares and, and
I've become very close friends

1281
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,880
with some of them.
And, and so I, I, so I went up

1282
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,000
and did that and I went to the
shop.

1283
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,160
We actually, we back in the
summer, they moved from the old

1284
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,280
warehouse to a new, much bigger
warehouse.

1285
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,520
We used, we used to have two
warehouses that had, did you,

1286
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:05,920
did you go there?
We went there.

1287
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,760
So we had the audio and rigging
on one warehouse and the video

1288
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,360
and, and lighting in the other
warehouse.

1289
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,600
Well, now we're all into one
roof under brand new warehouse,

1290
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,160
brand new offices.
Very close to the new.

1291
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,960
Yeah, the studio and the the
studios are coming along.

1292
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,560
They should have been open by
now, but we had some setbacks

1293
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:30,400
with, you know, just just stuff
we had, we had just besides

1294
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:35,480
supply the supply chain issues,
we just, we had some building

1295
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,640
construction issues, but they
were all sorted out and we're

1296
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:42,200
back on track.
And they're, you know, everybody

1297
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,720
wants a date.
But it's.

1298
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,320
Hard, you know, it's hard to get
an exact date, but we're

1299
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,760
thinking early next year, you
know, early next year, you know,

1300
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,280
in the first couple months.
Just in time for for summer

1301
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,360
touring and and you.
Know I've, I've been there.

1302
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,080
The the, the progress is
incredible.

1303
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,000
I mean, they're studios.
You walk into these things and

1304
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000
you and you see, you can see
them coming together.

1305
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,520
And I mean, the studios are
simple.

1306
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,840
You know, they're big, big, big
rooms, but the the offices and

1307
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,200
you know, all the dressing
rooms, the kitchen and the

1308
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,520
catering and stuff like that.
That's that's all coming

1309
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,040
together and taking form.
So to see that is a it's

1310
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,760
heartening to see it finally.
I would guess so, yeah, it's

1311
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,000
been a while.
When I went up there, I think it

1312
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,080
was maybe a little over two
years ago.

1313
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,760
And, and yeah, I mean, there was
dirt.

1314
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,520
That was it.
Nothing had been started yet.

1315
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:40,080
So are the management offices
and stuff going to be in the in

1316
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,399
the new buildings or are they in
the building that you're?

1317
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:46,040
Well, no, the, the, eventually
the, they'll be, well, the, I

1318
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,160
mean, they're still the, the
studios and the production

1319
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,720
services.
The production services will

1320
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,640
never be in the building.
That's not the intention.

1321
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:54,920
Of the production.
Services.

1322
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,840
There's talk about building
warehouses and even closer to

1323
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,479
the studios, but it's not
necessary.

1324
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,000
Yeah, I mean, we're close
enough, you know?

1325
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,920
How far away are you?
10 minutes.

1326
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,399
OK.
Yeah, that's not.

1327
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,760
So it's, I mean, we're not going
to be rolling gear across the

1328
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,319
street, but that, that, that's
OK.

1329
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,359
I I don't think that would
happen anyway.

1330
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,640
Well, when it's too easy, you
know, sometimes it's a problem

1331
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,800
anyways because, you know,
Beyoncé's in there and they're

1332
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,840
like, we'll just bring 40 more
lights over, but yeah.

1333
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,720
So, but but yeah, I mean, you
know, once that you know what,

1334
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,399
right now the production end of
it is the is the one making

1335
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:37,000
money and, and, and, and working
and we're doing, we're doing and

1336
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,120
the studios, once the studios
open, it will be a different

1337
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,160
entity.
But you know, obviously the the

1338
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,040
production company will be
supporting the studios.

1339
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,359
They feed each other.
Yeah.

1340
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:46,600
They feed each other.
Yeah.

1341
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:48,760
Yeah.
No, that's cool.

1342
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,800
That's really cool.
I look forward to seeing that

1343
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,960
once it's done.
I mean, you know, one of the

1344
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,360
things when I'm talking to
production managers and stuff,

1345
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,280
one of the things that
constantly comes up is is you

1346
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,400
know, because of how heavily
booked arenas are right now,

1347
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,480
there's nowhere to rehearse.
And so everyone like, you know,

1348
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:12,960
I had PRG as a sponsor the other
day and they talked a lot about

1349
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,600
their Starwood, which they've
just opened.

1350
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:22,240
And so, yeah, I mean, everyone
I'm talking to is like, yeah, we

1351
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,720
just opened a rehearsal space,
you know, and, and it's

1352
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,040
necessary.
Everyone needs it.

1353
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,400
Well, that's the thing.
And you know, our Studio 80,

1354
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,440
which is our biggest studio,
will be the, the biggest studio

1355
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,880
in the US when, when it comes to
rehearsal studios, it's, you

1356
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,200
know, it's the size, literally
the size of football field and,

1357
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,920
and even rock lit.
It's their their Studio 1 is not

1358
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,400
that large, you know.
Yeah.

1359
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,520
It's you can get I mean theirs
is arena sized, yeah.

1360
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,880
And ours is football size.
So I think you.

1361
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,000
Wouldn't really rehearse a full
stadium show in there.

1362
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,160
Yeah.
And that's some.

1363
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,640
Yeah, Yeah.
You know, it's.

1364
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,200
You know, it's, it's, you know,
plus we have the other studios.

1365
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,760
We have two, two more studios
that, you know, that are

1366
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,120
smaller.
But yeah, you know, and then we

1367
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,440
there's talk about building even
more in the future, you know,

1368
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:13,280
that we have more land that the
the company has purchased to

1369
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,360
build more studios.
And the really interesting part

1370
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,440
is they bought 300 acres of land
that crossed the highway from

1371
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:23,120
where the studio site is now.
And it's all, it's like forest

1372
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,160
land on the river and what
they're turning it into.

1373
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,680
See, this is for me, this is
what really makes me excited

1374
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:35,200
about the studios is they're
turning it into a kind of a

1375
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,800
recreational area next to the
studio.

1376
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,160
So, and it is so remote.
It seems remote, but it's

1377
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,360
literally across the highway.
But once you get there and you

1378
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,000
look around, you see these trees
in the river and there's

1379
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,760
nothing.
There's no civilization.

1380
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,840
I would as a band member or, or
a crew guy, if we're rehearsing

1381
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,480
there for several weeks and, and
you know, let you know, let's

1382
01:11:58,480 --> 01:11:59,920
run over here.
They're going to build cabins,

1383
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,640
they're going to build a like a
lodge with a restaurant.

1384
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,080
There's going to be fishing and
boating, camping.

1385
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,520
And I mean, it's going to be
like, you know, let's get away

1386
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,480
from this high tech studio and
run over here and go live in the

1387
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,640
boondocks for the weekend.
And just that's really cool.

1388
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,920
And I just, I think it really,
really has some great potential.

1389
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,960
Well, and some bike trails and
hiking.

1390
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,120
Trails and some walking trails,
bike trails.

1391
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,600
I mean, you know, and it's, as I
said, it's right there on the

1392
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,840
river.
It's and it's very rural.

1393
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,440
I mean, there's nothing, there's
nothing around so.

1394
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,880
That's fantastic.
I love it.

1395
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,800
Yeah.
So that's probably another year

1396
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,120
after the studios open or
something, right?

1397
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Pretty close.
The the only thing that's going

1398
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,840
to take a little more time is,
you know, like Lititz Rock.

1399
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,520
Lititz has the the hotel.
We're planning on building a

1400
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,920
hotel, but.
That's going to ask you that one

1401
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,320
that's.
Down the road, you know this.

1402
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,680
The thing is, there's enough
hotels in the area.

1403
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,680
There's a lot of hotels in the
area that can support, you know,

1404
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,920
staff yeah fans and and and
crew, but the hotel will

1405
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:01,800
eventually come.
I I think right now the, the,

1406
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,440
the powers that be are want to
get the studios up and running

1407
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,200
you.
Know have they booked anything

1408
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,000
yet?
Like are they that brave or or

1409
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,320
they're waiting?
No, no, no, we, we're not taking

1410
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,080
any bookings.
I mean, you know, if you're

1411
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,360
going to do a movie, you can
take a booking and delay it, but

1412
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,040
if you're going to do a tour,
you can't.

1413
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,480
No, no, we're not going to and
we don't want to.

1414
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:21,040
You know, we don't want to be
that.

1415
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,440
You know, we're get that kind of
reputation like, well, we were

1416
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:26,360
going to rehearse there, but now
we have to move somewhere else

1417
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:27,400
because they're not going.
To be ready.

1418
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,400
Yeah, well, that we.
Want to make sure that we're

1419
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,520
100% ready to go?
That wouldn't make friends.

1420
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,280
No.
That might piss some people off.

1421
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:42,840
So, yeah.
So Gateway obviously is a is a a

1422
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,760
great company.
I mean, you started with them

1423
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:49,880
when 2022 I think, right?
2021 June of 2/20/21 June of

1424
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,040
2021.
So it's, it's been 3 1/2 years

1425
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:55,720
and you know, I was in the
lighting division then and, and

1426
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,960
you know, lighting, it's all,
you know, running itself, you

1427
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,200
know, they have all the proper
people in place and, and I'm on

1428
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:06,040
with business development.
I'm not really a salesman per

1429
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,200
SE, but you know, people call
me, you know, vans, you know,

1430
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,880
you know, production manager,
lighting guys and, and I will

1431
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,800
happily, you know, help them
out.

1432
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,600
And, you know, everybody that
I've worked with has loved what

1433
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,120
we've done.
I'm not, as I said, I'm not a

1434
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,000
salesman.
I'm more of a, you know, I, I

1435
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,440
speak their language.
You know, I'm an LD I, I, I'm

1436
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,720
not going to sell them a lot.
You know, I'm only going to sell

1437
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,560
them on something that I've used
that I think they would, that

1438
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,120
would work with them.
And, and I, I mean, I feel like

1439
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:33,760
I'm an, I'm an ambassador for
Gateway.

1440
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,840
You know, it's a great company.
It has great potential, you

1441
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,800
know, both the studio and the
production services.

1442
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,320
Killer people like just really,
really super.

1443
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,440
I mean, at least at the top end
anyways.

1444
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:47,400
I don't know a lot of the people
who work there, but all the

1445
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,920
management guys, Haskell and
yeah, it was funny cuz the other

1446
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,680
day my company operates on a on
a platform called Rome where

1447
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,440
it's a virtual, but you can see
like on my screen, I can see

1448
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,080
who's in their offices and
stuff.

1449
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,520
Everybody's got offices.
You can go knock on their door

1450
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,520
and pop into their office and
wow.

1451
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,800
And so like, you know, normal
Zoom calls happen in a

1452
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,440
conference room, but I can see
who's in the conference room,

1453
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,280
right?
And so I saw a couple of our

1454
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,680
people meeting with Steve
Washington, and I love that guy.

1455
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,840
So I just jumped into the
conference room and I'm like

1456
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:25,320
Steve and virtual hugs all over
the place and stuff.

1457
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,240
And, you know, he was like,
Marcel, if I can help any of

1458
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,800
your people through this
tornado, you tell me if there's

1459
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,600
anything at all I can do.
And I mean, it's just so amazing

1460
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,200
that that guy just has one of
the biggest hearts of anybody I

1461
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,520
think I've ever met.
So he's a nice guy.

1462
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,680
I mean, just everybody, all the
people there.

1463
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,600
Yeah, we've got some really,
really good people.

1464
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,480
Yeah.
And you know, I'll be glad once

1465
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,680
the studios are open and we're
doing that part of it.

1466
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,800
But yeah, it's a, it's a huge
potential.

1467
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:54,680
So you'd.
Like it to be there.

1468
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,840
That's awesome, are you
literally off till next year?

1469
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,880
Yeah, I mean, I, I, you know, I
made it.

1470
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,280
Well, here's the thing.
So I got home from ACDC and then

1471
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,400
I went up to New York to do the
9/11 lights and that was a

1472
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:15,040
couple of weeks and then I just
I came back, I had a few things

1473
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,280
to do IA good.
The guy that was one of the

1474
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:22,160
Carpenter stage manager on
foreigner Ed Fitzwater died a

1475
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,160
few months ago and they had a,
they had a celebration of life

1476
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,480
in Dallas.
So I flew out and did that.

1477
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,840
I went up to Saint Louis after
that just for some, just our,

1478
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,920
you know, annual meetings.
I did an Honor Flight back in

1479
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,680
September and an Honor Flight is
where they take a veterans of

1480
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,880
either World War 2 or a
combination World War 2, Korea

1481
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,000
and Vietnam.
And they, they fly them up to

1482
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,920
Washington, DC for the day and
take them all around DC just so

1483
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,400
they can see like these
memorials that are dedicated to

1484
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,480
them and the war they were in.
That's cool.

1485
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:58,080
And and they all start with
World War 2 veterans, but you

1486
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,960
know, they're all dying quickly.
So you go with them.

1487
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:06,080
Yeah, so I'm I'm what's known.
Hang on.

1488
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,560
I am a why am I drawing a blank
on this?

1489
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,400
Hang on, let me let.
Me all right.

1490
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,400
I I I am a.
Wait, is that a Munster's

1491
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,080
T-shirt?
Yes, it is.

1492
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,640
That is frigging awesome.
I can see who you were hanging

1493
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,160
out with this week.
Yes, I saw witch this week.

1494
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,600
Yeah, I am a.
Why am I drawing a blank on

1495
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,240
this?
I am a.

1496
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,880
Honorary member of the Something
or other I.

1497
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,240
Have to look it up now.
That's funny.

1498
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:44,400
Honor Flight I am a.
Look it up, Cosmo, I'm.

1499
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,640
Going to look it up.
I might as well when you get out

1500
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,960
of this out.
I had, I had Jake Berry on, I

1501
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,360
don't know, a few weeks ago.
I need to watch it.

1502
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,480
He, it was good.
It was good.

1503
01:17:55,480 --> 01:18:00,200
He was in a decent mood.
He, he was talking about the,

1504
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,120
the ACDC story again, you know,
where he was just kind of

1505
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,200
sitting around and somebody
said, hey, you want to come out

1506
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,880
and be the, you know, production
manager for ACDC And he's like,

1507
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,360
yeah, you know, knew nothing
about it, had no idea what he

1508
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,080
was doing and, and seemed to
work out OK.

1509
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,400
Yeah, I saw him.
He actually, he came out to see

1510
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,040
us in the Hanover.
I got to see him there.

1511
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,400
Oh, did he?
That's cool.

1512
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,920
I like Jake.
I like Jake.

1513
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,200
He's.
Getting a bad Rep?

1514
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,920
He's getting a bad Rep from some
people lately, though.

1515
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,560
Like people are like, oh, Jake,
you know, Because I think, I

1516
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,280
don't know, maybe maybe he was a
little hard on some people.

1517
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,800
I don't know.
Well, I mean, yeah, Jake.

1518
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,800
Jake has a reputation like that.
He was, he was hard and stuff.

1519
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,840
But, you know, he's he's it was
for me.

1520
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,440
It was an honor to work with him
back at back.

1521
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:52,240
In the Yeah, I like Jake.
I always like the.

1522
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,640
Team.
Yeah, he's a giant.

1523
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,000
He's a giant in the industry
too, you know, he's like a but

1524
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,120
he talked a lot about the the
sphere thing, which was really

1525
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,000
interesting.
I didn't realize quite how much

1526
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,640
went into that thing.
You know, it was massive.

1527
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,000
Oh, I know.
Yeah.

1528
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,000
And it's funny because I went to
see U2 and you know, IIA friend

1529
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,200
of mine, I got tickets.
I can't remember who got me

1530
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,840
tickets, but Jake found out I
went.

1531
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,760
I didn't see him.
He says you came and you didn't

1532
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,360
come and see me.
I said, Jake, you were working.

1533
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,960
I didn't want to bother you, but
he was mad at me.

1534
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,400
But it was.
Oh, really?

1535
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,360
It was funny.
Yeah, I already went into that

1536
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,240
thing.
I had to piss you off that you

1537
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,560
forgot that.
Yeah.

1538
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,400
So anyway, I thought it was
going to be a much more

1539
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,120
complicated word.
Cosmo.

1540
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,680
So, so I, I'm what's known as a,
as a guardian.

1541
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,560
I mean, here's the thing, most
of the guys have like a family

1542
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,800
member or a friend that wants to
accompany them, but sometimes

1543
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,480
they don't, you know, for
whatever reason.

1544
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,240
And so you volunteer and you pay
money.

1545
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,800
I mean, you pay for you pay for
the trip.

1546
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,520
It varies depending upon because
there's a lot of Honor Flight

1547
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,440
hubs.
They call them around the

1548
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,720
country because they all, you
know, fly from different cities

1549
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:07,760
to DC.
But my veteran was a as a Navy,

1550
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,280
Navy veteran from World War,
sorry from Vietnam.

1551
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,720
And it was cool because he flew
in P3 Orions, which was a sub

1552
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,560
hunter and I'm a big airplane
fanatic.

1553
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,640
So we hit and, and so I got, I
got to do that.

1554
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,080
And and you know, we, we have a,
we have a lunch meeting to meet

1555
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,640
everybody and to talk about what
we're going to do.

1556
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,560
And that was one weekend.
Then the next Saturday we flew

1557
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,320
to DC And you know, that was a,
you know, I literally flew

1558
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,080
Orlando, Dallas did that.
Dallas to Saint Louis did the

1559
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,320
meetings, then I flew Saint
Louis back to Orlando and the

1560
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,680
next day I I did the Honor
Flight to DC.

1561
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,200
So boy, I was.
Is that on a military plane or

1562
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,080
is that on a Are you on
Southwest?

1563
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,400
Airways, they usually do SW
yeah.

1564
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,560
And generally it's like 20 or
30.

1565
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,640
This is the largest one we've
that they've ever done in out of

1566
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:59,120
Central Florida.
And it was 54 of us or 54

1567
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:05,000
veterans and 54 guardians.
And so they they charted a

1568
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,480
flight, which is great.
So we had our own plane there

1569
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:08,480
and back.
That's cool.

1570
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,480
The weather was perfect and it
was an incredible day, you know?

1571
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,200
You let me ask you do is there a
reason behind like your love of

1572
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,560
the military other than the
obvious, like most of us would

1573
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,760
love and and appreciate the
military?

1574
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,360
Is there like do you?
Is it a family member?

1575
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,280
Is there something?
Well, I think, well, I'm a

1576
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,040
patriotic American.
I mean, you know, I'm, I'm a

1577
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,920
patriot in that sense.
When I was young, I wanted to be

1578
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,840
an airline pilot.
Then I wanted to be a fighter

1579
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,360
pilot.
And, and it's funny because I, I

1580
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,720
tell my veteran friends that in,
when I was in high school, I was

1581
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,560
planning on going to the Air
Force Academy and, and becoming

1582
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,880
a pilot.
But then I got into, I got into

1583
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,840
music, I played in a band, I
smoked pot.

1584
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:50,560
And obviously things went the
other way.

1585
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,480
And I was talking to a guy the
other day about that.

1586
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:55,440
Actually, I was talking to one
of the generals about that.

1587
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,680
And he says, well, I think it
worked out for you.

1588
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,400
Yeah, no kidding.
Yeah, it.

1589
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,640
Said, yeah, but so I, I, and
it's funny because there's a guy

1590
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,360
that I met with Honor Flight
Center Florida.

1591
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,720
And he's, he's a guy in his 70s
and he's one of the guys that he

1592
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,480
gets people involved.
And he said, he said, Cosmo, the

1593
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:16,800
one of the, the main reason I do
this is because he says, I tried

1594
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:21,880
to join the, you know, join the
service when I was, you know,

1595
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,720
for Vietnam.
He was old for old enough for

1596
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,680
Vietnam, he says, but I was my
health, my, I had medical

1597
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,640
conditions that didn't allow me
to get enlisted.

1598
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,640
And he said, so I, you know, I
always felt bad about it.

1599
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,840
I mean, you know, he didn't have
any choice.

1600
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,400
He wasn't, he wasn't accepted.
But I always look at it this

1601
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:38,760
way.
I didn't join the military.

1602
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,720
I, I didn't fight for my country
or in any way.

1603
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,480
And I figured this is kind of my
way of paying it back, I guess

1604
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,400
you could say of doing my part.
And that's, that's only a small

1605
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:51,960
part of it.
It's not that sounds like it's

1606
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,440
for me and it's not, it's not
for me.

1607
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,120
For me the the, the respect and
admiration I have for these guys

1608
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,440
that go into into the military,
first of all, then go into

1609
01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:01,800
battle.
And especially these guys that I

1610
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,600
was talking about up at the, the
sex for vets.

1611
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,560
I mean, these guys, they didn't
just fight in a war.

1612
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,960
They they were nearly killed.
They've most of them have lost

1613
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,320
two to three limbs, you know,
and have been severely injured

1614
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,000
and, and they still live their
life.

1615
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,360
And I just look at these guys
and go, Jesus, what, what

1616
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,320
amazing people these are.
They are or anything I can do to

1617
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,400
to help them and to show my
respect and love for for what

1618
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,480
they've done.
That's really cool.

1619
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,520
So that's what's really quick.
I just, you know, I enjoy it.

1620
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,120
It's, it's, it means a lot.
And not just for the the living

1621
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,120
guys, but for the but the guys
that have died, you know?

1622
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,320
Yeah.
There's one thing that most

1623
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,360
people don't know.
There's the if you and most

1624
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,880
veterans, you know, they don't
want the glory.

1625
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,720
They don't want.
They don't want they, they do

1626
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,720
and they don't.
But there's one thing they won't

1627
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,920
tell you, but this is how they
feel.

1628
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,480
I never want to be forgotten for
what I did.

1629
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,440
So never forget.
That's why you always see that.

1630
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:50,240
Never forget, you know?
So that's what I always I want

1631
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,560
to make.
Sense that they're never.

1632
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,880
Going to be forgotten.
Sadly, you know, so many people

1633
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,760
do and you know, like I, I was
watching, you know, I hate to

1634
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,960
even admit this, but my, my
girlfriend convinced me to watch

1635
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,760
this dating show and I can't
remember what it's called.

1636
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,440
I don't watch dating shows.
I've never seen the Bachelor.

1637
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:08,920
I've never seen The
Bachelorette.

1638
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,160
It's just not my thing.
I'm not against people who do

1639
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,080
watch them, but but she got me
into this one.

1640
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:20,800
And you know, young people and
they got to get married at the

1641
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:25,640
end of the show.
And so it was these two very

1642
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,280
without being political, just
young generation, the way people

1643
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:38,920
think now quite woke.
And and so the woman used to the

1644
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,520
girl used to be in the military
and the guy ended up leaving her

1645
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,920
because he couldn't get past the
fact that she would go and fight

1646
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:54,040
in wars and that she was in the
military and that she was pro

1647
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,280
violence and pro this and pro
that.

1648
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,000
And I mean, she was one of the
softest.

1649
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,360
She was beautiful.
She was, she was just a

1650
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,880
wonderful person, even though
quite woke, but the guy left her

1651
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,400
because he couldn't get over the
fact that she had been in the

1652
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,840
military.
And it's like, what the hell,

1653
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,520
you know, and and that she was,
he called her that type of

1654
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,200
person.
And and it to me, it was just

1655
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,720
like the exact opposite of how
young people should think.

1656
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,360
Like you have opportunities
today because these people are

1657
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:28,480
missing limbs, you know?
And yeah, so it's wild.

1658
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,800
It's wild.
It's the one thing you know,

1659
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,400
that I know you don't have any
kids, but but my son, you know,

1660
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,440
I mean, respect the hell out of
the military, respect those

1661
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,880
airplanes, respect all of it.
You know, like because those

1662
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,480
people give you your
opportunities to drive race cars

1663
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:47,360
or do whatever it is you want to
do in your life.

1664
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,600
You know, you know, it's not
about the money, it's about the

1665
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,560
freedom and the opportunity that
you get because you live in a

1666
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,680
place like.
And there are bad people around

1667
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,040
the world who don't like what we
do and.

1668
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,720
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.

1669
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,520
So having people like that that
are willing to risk it all to

1670
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:07,760
defend, to defend our freedoms
is, is to me, that's the

1671
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,240
ultimate respect.
They deserve it.

1672
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,080
So I love that you give that to
them.

1673
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:15,080
And you know, again, like you
speak with actions, not words.

1674
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,480
You know, you go and do this
thing, as busy as your life is,

1675
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:22,520
in between bouncing between
tours and stuff, you go and do

1676
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,800
this 911 thing no matter what.
Like I, I would think that if

1677
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,960
ACDC had a show on that day or
whatever, you'd find somebody to

1678
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,240
replace yourself because you'd
go and do this thing, you know,

1679
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,080
you're that committed to it.
And that's amazing.

1680
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,320
I love it.
Yeah.

1681
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,560
Well, yeah, that definitely
means so much to me to do that.

1682
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,240
So yeah, yeah.
Recognize.

1683
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:42,960
That Well, well, thank you,
seriously.

1684
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,680
I mean as a friend and, and as
an American, Canadian and

1685
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:52,920
American, a Canarican and, but
thank you cuz you know, seeing

1686
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,880
you out there and seeing all the
pictures and all the selfies and

1687
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,960
all the stuff and the beams in
the air every year and stuff, it

1688
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,600
really makes me proud just to be
your buddy.

1689
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,680
Well, I appreciate that it.
Means a lot.

1690
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,400
That's what I always say.
Everybody, all my friends reside

1691
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:06,680
in my heart when I'm there
because I know they.

1692
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,680
Want to?
Yeah, Yeah, it's cool.

1693
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,600
Are you going to LDI this year?
Yeah, I will be going to LDI.

1694
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:14,960
Cool.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna text you

1695
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,680
about something else that we're
doing and that hopefully you'll

1696
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,840
get involved in.
It's it's just a really cool

1697
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,960
thing that we're doing through
Geezers of Gear.

1698
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,720
But with LDI, in partnership
with LDI, it's an hour and a

1699
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,000
free lunch.
So where you get to share some

1700
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,360
some knowledge and.
And yeah.

1701
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:39,680
So I'll text you about it later.
Anything I missed Cosmo?

1702
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,600
Well, you know, there's one
thing that I've been, I should,

1703
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,640
I should I need to talk about my
you'll understand in a minute.

1704
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,680
So I, I've been have we, you and
I touched on my book.

1705
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,320
Yes.
I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's

1706
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,000
been five.
Well, it's, it's how old am I

1707
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,680
now 63?
It's been 63 years in the

1708
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,880
making, but it's been five years
since I actually started doing

1709
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,400
something with it.
And I know we've discussed it

1710
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:02,840
and.
Mentioned it, but.

1711
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:05,520
You know, that's another thing
that I'm going to try to do in

1712
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,640
in this time off is actually
finish the damn thing and at

1713
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,000
least get the ball rolling and
getting it published and then

1714
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,520
getting it, getting it out there
so.

1715
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,080
So yeah, it's going to be an
interesting book because here's

1716
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,600
the thing.
I know enough about you to know

1717
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,760
that you won't tell any stories
that'll hurt anyone, period.

1718
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,520
No, there's no reason.
And but at the same time, you're

1719
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,480
going to tell some really
incredible stories.

1720
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:33,040
So it's going to be it's going
to be a positive tell all book

1721
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,560
as opposed to a a dirty nasty
tell all book where you saw so

1722
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,280
and so doing something to so and
so or whatever.

1723
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,040
None of that's going to be in
there, but you're going to tell

1724
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:48,600
some really great stories that
do, you know, name drop and and

1725
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,040
but they're all going to be
positive and very good and, and

1726
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,720
all that kind of stuff.
So I look forward to it.

1727
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,600
I mean, I'll be lined up to buy
it day one.

1728
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,320
So, and we'll, we'll, we'll pimp
it out for you on Giza's gear

1729
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,400
too.
So, so yeah, I hope you do get

1730
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,640
it done.
I know you're using, you're

1731
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,720
using a, a partner's
ghostwriter, whatever you call

1732
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,280
it.
He's.

1733
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:09,800
Down.
He's down, He's down there.

1734
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,480
You're on the other side.
He's over in Cape Coral.

1735
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,680
Yeah, yeah.
So did he get screwed up at all

1736
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:21,000
in the hurricane tornadoes?
He got Ian, which came through,

1737
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,120
you know, because he lives right
outside of Fort Myers Beach.

1738
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,720
He got he got slammed.
His house is fine.

1739
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,880
He lives on a canal, but he
didn't get any water damage.

1740
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:29,720
He didn't have power for like 2
months.

1741
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,440
Oh Jesus.
He's from Massachusetts so he

1742
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:35,400
wasn't prepared for that.
But he's since moved out of that

1743
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,640
house, bought another one, and
he's still living and Milton hit

1744
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,920
it.
What's that?

1745
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,000
And then Milton hit it.
Yeah, well, well, he, he was

1746
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,360
fine with Milton.
Milton.

1747
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,320
But there's my other friend, a
guy named Howie Hoffman, who you

1748
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,600
might know, he used to work with
Genesis and stuff in Fort

1749
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,520
Collins.
He had a place on on Fort Myers

1750
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,440
Beach and it was completely
devastated by Ian.

1751
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,600
And then Helene came through and
put in his new place.

1752
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,280
He put in four feet of water,
and then Milton came in and put

1753
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,560
in six feet of water.
So my God, he's not.

1754
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,160
Having the best luck when it
comes to flooding.

1755
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,120
So he hates hurricanes.
Well, the only upside, the only

1756
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,120
upside is that a lot of these
people who moved here, you know,

1757
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:20,600
after COVID and, and have driven
property prices, you know, sky

1758
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,640
high and stuff.
A lot of them are going to go

1759
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,640
running back now because they're
going to be like, fuck this, you

1760
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,320
know, I'm out of here.
I ain't doing this anymore.

1761
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,720
Because that happens every time
there's a big storm.

1762
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,120
Is, is people, you know, kind of
move back.

1763
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,200
And I'm not saying I want to get
rid of anybody, but I would like

1764
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,680
to be able to afford to buy
another house someday.

1765
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,160
You know, I get divorced, sell
all my stuff, get through all

1766
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,280
this stuff.
And then I go, OK, now I'm ready

1767
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,760
to find out where I want to
live.

1768
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,760
And you know, everything's
freaking $3,000,000 plus, you

1769
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,400
know?
Well, yeah, you know, I don't

1770
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,320
live on the How far do you live
from the water?

1771
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,560
20 minutes.
OK, so I mean, you don't, you're

1772
01:30:58,560 --> 01:30:59,640
smart.
You don't live on the coast.

1773
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,320
I don't live on the coast.
There's a reason I don't live.

1774
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,960
On the coast, I would love to,
but yeah.

1775
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:05,320
It's just impossible.
I would like to have a second

1776
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,920
house that doesn't have anything
of value in it.

1777
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:09,720
Yeah.
In like a condo.

1778
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,320
Yeah.
I don't want it to be my main

1779
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,040
home.
And that's why I live in Central

1780
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,400
Florida, because we, I don't
have a storm surge.

1781
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,440
I mean, you can protect against
a lot of things, wind and and,

1782
01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:21,560
and, you know, get a generator,
but you can't protect against a

1783
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,000
storm surge.
You can't protect against 16

1784
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,680
feet of water.
Yeah, I don't.

1785
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:27,920
Care, there's not enough caulk
that's going to steal your

1786
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,480
health and it's you're going to
get flooded.

1787
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,600
So that's why I live where I do.
And I think a lot of people move

1788
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,560
in near the coast and then they
get flooded out and they go,

1789
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,120
this is horrible.
I'm like, well, you know, and

1790
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:40,760
it's like people say, oh,
there's hurricanes, There's

1791
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,920
always hurricanes.
Well, we had Hurricane Charlie

1792
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,440
in 2004, and then we had Francis
and Jean.

1793
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,400
Yeah.
Hurricane Charlie did a lot of

1794
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,480
damage to my area and my my home
was OK.

1795
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:51,760
We just didn't have power for
three weeks.

1796
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,200
But The thing is, is we didn't
have another storm until Irma in

1797
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,200
2017.
So.

1798
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,400
So 13 years later we had another
major hurricane.

1799
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,760
So there was a nice camp there.
So, you know, that's the.

1800
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,360
That's the thing and this this
little house, my girlfriend's

1801
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:11,520
house that I live in, you know,
she's had it for 2530 years.

1802
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,600
There's no hurricane shutters.
It's got regular shingles on the

1803
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,200
roof and stuff, you know, cuz
we're pretty far in land.

1804
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:22,840
And so this Milton was going
like an hour and a half, two

1805
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,720
hours north of us and on the
other coast.

1806
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,200
We're fine, right?
Like none of our neighbors put

1807
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:29,800
up hurricane shutters or
anything.

1808
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,920
Well, then this friggin tornado
comes straight through our

1809
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,400
neighborhood and like 3 or 4
houses away from me.

1810
01:32:36,440 --> 01:32:40,280
Nothing, you know, for for three
houses from me to three houses

1811
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,960
on the other side of me
devastation, you know, like we

1812
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,160
didn't get it near as bad as
some of our neighbors, like

1813
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,920
right across the street from us.
They lost all their windows,

1814
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,320
most of their.
Roof.

1815
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,760
You know, we've got holes in the
roof and lost a screen patio,

1816
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,360
lost a couple windows, lost a
garage door.

1817
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,320
But you know, we're OK.
So yeah, it's it's weird, You

1818
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,200
know, I love Florida.
It was hard coming back here

1819
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,360
from Canada on Saturday.
Last Saturday I got back to all

1820
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,400
of this mess and devastation and
stuff, and it was so beautiful

1821
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,720
up there.
No trouble, you know?

1822
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,360
I mean, it was just nice, nice,
nice.

1823
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,000
Although there are forest fires,
but yeah.

1824
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,360
Yeah, well, there's something
somewhere everywhere, you know.

1825
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,000
Yeah, well, good luck with the
book.

1826
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,640
Let me know when it's done, if I
can help you with anything.

1827
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:33,040
I'm always here and and I'll
message you about this LDI

1828
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,080
thing.
And yeah, just keep doing what

1829
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,160
you're doing, Cosmo.
You're one of the greatest

1830
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,200
humans there is.
I appreciate it and it's I

1831
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:44,160
really enjoy being on your shows
and I look forward to I look

1832
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,520
forward to seeing it.
LDI anyway.

1833
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,240
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Maybe before then?

1834
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,160
Maybe before that, yeah.
All right, enjoy your time off,

1835
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:52,680
pal.
Thanks a lot, Marcel.

1836
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:54,040
All right, see ya.