#271 - Marc Brickman

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So that was cool.
Episode number 271, Mr. Mark

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Brickman talking to us about his
paint with color technology,

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talking to us about the entire
David Gilmore experience.

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Really a lot of cool behind the
scenes stuff going on in this

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podcast.
I think you'll really enjoy it.

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And yeah, I don't know what else
I can say.

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Mark Brickman is a legend of our
industry.

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David Gilmour is a legend of
music.

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And this was something that I've
been looking forward to and I

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really enjoyed it, so I hope you
do as well.

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Well, thank you for joining me
on this very special episode

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So I don't know if you can tell,
but I'm actually pretty excited

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about this episode today that
I'm recording.

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It just happens to be with a, a
guy who I have a huge amount of

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respect for and someone who I
just think is a constant

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innovator in our industry and
who just keeps going, keeps

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becoming more creative and just
breaking barriers and doing new

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things.
And he's extended his career to

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55 years, 50 something years.
And so the guy just blows my

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mind.
So of course, I'm talking about

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Mark Brickman and I want to read
his bio, which is pretty

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incredible.
So bear with me here, please.

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Mark's work as an artist,
director, producer, and lighting

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designer has reached audiences
of 1,000,000 worldwide and

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includes spectacles for Pink
Floyd, Paul McCartney, the

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Barcelona and Nagano Olympics
ceremonies, Cirque du Soleil,

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Neil Young, Blue Man Group,
Barbra Streisand, Whitney

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Houston, Bruce Springsteen, and
hundreds of others.

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In 2012, Mark Brickman was
tapped to reimagine the lighting

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of the Empire State Building.
Since then, Mark's work with the

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Empire State Building has
transcended definition.

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Mark made his Broadway debut in
2007 with Young Frankenstein.

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His innovations over the past 50
years include first use of

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moving video screens on Genesis
in 1992, implementation of the

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world's most powerful copper
vapor lasers on Pink Floyd in

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1994, First designer to assemble
a team of programmers who

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specialize in control of their
respective technologies.

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Now called the Production Desk
for Pink Floyd in 1987, patents

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on a smoke curtain for Steven
Spielberg's AI, an audio sync

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app used at Empire State
Building, Vulcan Statue, Noor

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Riad and an inflatable touring
venue sound stage, as well as

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revolutionary changes in
computerized lighting control

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and fixture automation.
In recent years, Mark's

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experience and vision have
coalesced in his fine art

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practice.
Mark's media of choice include

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oil, acrylics, drones, colored
pencils, LE DS and lasers.

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Mark's drone based light art
installation at the Nour Riyadh

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Festival drew global accolades
and set a World Guinness World

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Record at that time.
Now with David Gilmour and other

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technical collaborations, Mark
is pushing even further into

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bridging art and light,
including various new

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technologies soon to be
announced.

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Please welcome Mark Brickman.
Mark, good morning, how are you?

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What's happening?
You know, back home after two

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months of of of being away.
From my times, yeah.

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Odd.
It was a really odd, odd thing.

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Driving back home the other day,
I I kind of went through it.

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Other body, otherworldly
experiences.

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Realized that, you know, yeah, I
really had worked hard this

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year.
Yeah, good for you, man.

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I love it.
I love, I love what's going on.

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And we're going to talk a whole
bunch about it today, if you

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don't mind.
But, you know, thank you first

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and foremost, 'cause I know
you're going back to work

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tomorrow and, and we just kind
of caught a little window there

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in in between all of your
mayhem.

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So I appreciate you taking some
time to do this.

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In between my naps.
In between naps, you know I take

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them, we all have to take them.
You know, we've, we've done some

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damage over the years.
You know we're not just your

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regular year old guys, right?
I'm maybe. 72 I'm That's cool.

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Jeez, I own.
It you know.

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Good for you, man, good for you.
So you know, I'm not even sure

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where to start this thing.
I, I know we have limited time

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so we can only go so long, but
you know, you're people who

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heard your previous podcast with
me know your life story, so we

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won't go through your whole life
story again.

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But one of the things I really.
Want to air down my life story?

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I think, I think people do,
actually.

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I think people really do.
It's still one of the most

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popular episodes I recorded.
And this one, this one, based on

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your recent social media fame, I
think is going to be even

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bigger.
So this this should be a huge

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podcast episode.
OK, cool.

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Your, your innovation work with
Pink Floyd specifically over the

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years.
And you know, I just kind of

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took some notes.
So tell me if I missed something

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or added something by accident.
But of course starting with the

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iconic circle of VLS.
And remind me, were those VL

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fours or twos?
No, they were.

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And probably.
Both they were threes.

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Of course.
I think they were VL threes and

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and and I just want to say one
thing that I inherited a legacy

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Pink Floyd when I met them, it's
in 1980, the night before they

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opened the wall, they had had a
guy called Arthur Max there for

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a while and a couple of other
people, Peter Wynn Wilson, a few

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other people that really
identified what Sid Barrett and

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Roger, but mostly Sid Barrett
wanted back in the in the 60s

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and late 60s, early 70s.
So when I came along, there was

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this, you know, they were known
as the like the ultimate non

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personality art band.
So when I came in, I came into

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the wall the night before.
That was a very structured show.

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So what they needed was
theatrical, just theatrical

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stagecraft and direction, which
is what I provided, basically

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the lack, for lack of a better
word, know when to turn the

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lights off.
So, yeah, I mean, so then in

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what was it in, in 87 when they
were, when it was reconstituted

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Pink Floyd without Roger I, I, I
had more freedom because it

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wasn't a structured show.
And that's that's when it got

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really.
Fun.

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That's when it got really big
because because it really was

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about the music.
It was about what people were

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feeling, what they were thinking
in their brains, you know?

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And again, rolling on the non
personality, yeah, there isn't a

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personality there.
It's the music and what you're

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feeling.
That's a huge canvas.

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I mean, yeah, I'm so lucky to
have been dropped into that

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world.
Yeah, yeah.

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It's it's not Taylor Swift or or
the Backstreet Boys or something

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where it is only the
personality.

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I can't think of many other
bands these days.

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I know there's a lot of them,
but it's a different world.

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Yeah, I'm not talking about the
Brit Floyds in the Australian

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pink.
Yeah, those guys.

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I mean, maybe Coldplay.
Coldplay I think sort of nobody

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in a newer style.
Like it's not so.

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You.
Think Chris Martin is

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personality, Really.
Yeah, I guess.

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I guess you're right.
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He lives here in Malibu.
It's all about him.

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So yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.
And I mean, these guys were

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really anonymous and they were
really in the art and they

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really took risks and they
didn't # their chests, chests

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saying this is the first, this
is a first.

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No, this is a first no.
Oh, we did it first, you know.

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You know, it was this more of a,
it was really about exploration

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and and and and and and
becoming, you know, growing up

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with the music and maybe the
music becomes a bit of a tour

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guide, you know, I mean that
that's really to and you know, I

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was a fan first.
Yeah.

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I remember where I was when I
heard Dark Side of the Moon.

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Me.
Too.

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Yeah, yeah, You know what's
what's so cool though?

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Is you're right, I mean, about
this personality thing, but it

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was so big that it transcended,
you know, the split up and went

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on to this new version that was
even bigger.

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But still, 50 years later,
you've got both Roger and David

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doing really, really well in
their separate versions of this.

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Thing I would say David's doing
extremely well, Yeah.

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He's reinvented himself in this
current show.

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I mean, it's only 21 shows.
That's it.

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I mean, yeah, you didn't see it
or you don't.

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And pretty much most people
won't see it.

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Whatever shows up on the screen.
I'm sorry.

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I mean, it's great.
And hats off to everybody that's

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involved.
But, you know, any of those

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shows that have been filmed,
unless you're in the audience

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and you you're actually watching
and feeling what's going on in

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the moment, You know, in there
was one song called High Hopes,

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which we do.
It closes the end of the first

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half.
And for me, I tell David, this

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is a religious moment.
Because it's like he's.

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Playing slide at the end and the
solos off the charts and and

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then it goes down to just this
and the film's fading out.

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A brilliant film by Storm
Ferguson.

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And the film fades to black and
the David is left alone with an

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acoustic guitar and a single
spotlight.

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I call, I'm actually saying
fade, fade, just with a follow.

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And I'm doing it like inch by
inch, incremental inches.

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I'm actually calling it as I'm
calling it.

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The audience gets quiet and
quiet and quiet.

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Wow.
It's a moment.

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It's, and I've watched this in
crowds of 80,000 people down to,

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you know, like 2000 people at
Pompeii.

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I've watched.
But it's the same reaction that

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happened last week at Royal
Albert Hall.

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You know, years later, the
audience still sitting there

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just completely in the moment.
That means everyone.

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Yeah, every person is.
When they all, they all have

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goosebumps and stuff too, you
know, because like you, they're

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fans.
They're.

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United, I mean, it's that for me
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that way all the time, where
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same thing without being told
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being guided by algorithms, if
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like that.
I can't limit.

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It's to me, it's just let's
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and the world would be a great
place again, you know?

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Yeah, sadly, we're, we're
probably, well, I, I won't say

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we're too far gone because I'm
not a cynical person.

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I'm optimistic too.
Pendulum swings and.

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Yeah, I agree with you.
I agree with you.

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So back to your innovations with
Pink Floyd.

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So the the circle of VLS that
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that before?
No, that was momentary lapse or

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momentary lapse reason.
And again, it was most of the

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things that happened.
It's me being able to recognize

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an opportunity and one that's
floating around in my head.

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But I'm not sitting there being
angst about the idea.

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You know, what I've learned over
the years now is, you know, to

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be a real artist, you need to be
open to opportunity and just

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shut out everyone else.
No, I'm not saying don't

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collaborate and don't be an ass
and don't be that to ground

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yourself in an idea that you
really believe in, but that

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that.
Circle in particular, like, you

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know, first of all, like if
nobody knows what we're talking

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about, it's, it's a giant trust
circle with I don't remember how

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many VLS in it, but a whole
bunch of them.

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Well, the last four.
In 2016 it was 49.

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I I think they were Sharpies,
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So, so back then the the screen
was bigger.

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I know we had a 40 foot version
in yeah 4 so, but I think in 87

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it probably was around 35 or 40,
probably VL threes.

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And and how would you do?
How would you define what that

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look looked like?
So I mean it's basically a Truss

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circle with screen in the center
of it, right?

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It was a screen in the screen
back then we were using 70mm

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projectors rear projecting on
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So there were two projectors
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So really the screen was there
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I had this idea to like, OK,
let's there was two things

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coupled in that show.
And the innovation was also,

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first of all, moving pods.
That's number one, the problem,

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nobody had done that.
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around the screen, but I didn't
want it to look like a psych.

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So there's a really great story
about how that all those

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patterns happen, which I could
tell or not.

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Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
I think more importantly is when

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I went to Very Light to learn
how to run the Artisan, I was

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there for about, I don't know,
10 minutes and I'm sitting next

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to Dale Polanski and I because I
had run all my boards up.

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I built my own boards.
I'd run all my boards.

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You know, I was very much into
the manual feeling of

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everything.
You know, the wall was done on a

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2 scene preset that I broke
every night, you know, because I

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would be smashing it.
But but I think what was

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important was I looked at Dale
and I said, because I realized

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how complex these were computers
each like a computer.

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And I realized how complex it
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And I had such a bigger idea in
my head.

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And I said to Dale, what are you
doing for the next six months?

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And, and I, and I always
remember Dale Polanski goes

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well, you know, I don't know, I
decided I'm taking him.

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And then I went and got Telescan
and then I went and got lasers.

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Then I got motion control.
Then I, I mean, then, then we

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got this set designer Paul
Staples to come in because

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Fisher didn't want to hang out
with us.

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He he wanted to hang out with
Rodger, which was cool.

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And and So what it became was it
really became the first multi

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discipline show out there with a
production desk, in other words,

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with many technicians all you
know, being the best at their

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trade at their.
Program, which was actually a

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new thing at that time too.
The production desk, right?

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I was the first one, yeah.
You're proud of that.

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Was that because of the scale of
it all though?

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Like you just needed more.
Than one.

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Operator.
To use, I wanted to use all

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these different.
I wanted to turn everything that

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was there on its head.
In other words, Verilight had

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just come out.
It was 87, so it just really

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come out.
Everybody was using it this way

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when they were, you know, XY,
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And I wanted to add Z because I
figured, look, I can use less

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lights have a really great
impact.

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But the idea being that if the
light can move, I can move the

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light across the stage and keep
the beam focused, not moving on

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the player.
Wow, what a great look.

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It's like live photography
lighting like like being able to

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light someone from the back,
then suddenly they're lit from

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the side and ultimately finish
it off with them being lit from

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underneath.
So the production desk was what

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it was basically a bunch of
operators.

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Yeah, it was a bunch.
And I was the, I was the

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conductor.
I mean, I what I gave up there.

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What I then turned my attention
to was smoke.

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I became the emperor of smoke.
And I mean, I'm talking about

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huge amounts of smoke because
smoke is my canvas.

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But, but you have to use it in a
way that you don't use too much.

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And especially in the outdoor
gigs, it really becomes a

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science.
And over the years, I, I, I, I'm

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pretty, I'm pretty good at it
now, you know, in Rome a couple

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of weeks a month ago.
So it was a challenge because I

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hadn't done it in a while.
But you have a really good

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understanding that you can't
control it.

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Yeah.
Is that.

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Yeah.
I mean, I, I remember, I

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remember the amount of smoke I,
I was at Division Bell in at Joe

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Robbie in Miami and just the
amount of smoke that was in that

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stadium just to get the lasers
and everything.

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Else, you know, doing.
What they needed to do.

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Oh, it was incredible.
And so, you know, I mean, that's

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real.
That's kind of that that all of

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those shows, unlike a lot of
stuff today, is more like

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Christo art installations, you
know?

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And you know, and so really for
me, you know, I built, I built a

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life on innovation, as you say,
but it was more about really

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having the audience getting back
to that point.

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The audience needs to be
engaged, whether it's one single

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acoustic guitar or the whole
band playing, you know, they've

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come there to escape.
They've come there to escape

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their daily travels.
They don't want to be pounded on

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the head by somebody.
Like what?

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Yeah, well, again, I mean the
the one of the things you said

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earlier is is you know that it's
about the music.

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And again, at that Division Bell
show, I remember one of the

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things that I said to my now
ex-wife was like, I was looking

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around us and there were 1415
year old kids singing all the

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lyrics to Dark Side of the Moon.
And I was like, wow, you know,

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or to whatever it was like, you
know, money, time, whatever it

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was.
And they knew all the lyrics.

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No, it's a total rite of
passage.

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It still is.
You know the funny part about

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all that?
That you're picking division

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bells because we shot that.
It was never meant to be like a

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27 camera shoot, you know, but
with hundreds of people.

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It was a last minute
pay-per-view just for Europe

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that was thrown together at the
last minute.

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I'm talking about Pulse and now
I have people.

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And then it was became a
pay-per-view one night in

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America and that was the end of
it.

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And then suddenly it became
this, you know, like, like

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monster.
Yeah, a monster.

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And no.
And at the end of the day, I, I

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have people come up to me all
time, including my producer,

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Alicia Griego, who's
unbelievably like, you know,

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without her, I don't, I think I
probably wouldn't still be

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standing, but she's done a good
job with you.

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But she can't.
When she, 15 years ago, when she

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came to work with me, you know,
she told me that, you know,

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Pulse was the, you know, she
used to watch it in high school.

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Yeah.
We would watch it over and over

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and over and over again.
And I didn't understand that.

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But even up to a month ago,
people were coming up to me in

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Rome telling me like I'd changed
their lives.

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I met some guy in the breakfast
room at the Royal Garden Hotel

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last week in London, stopped me
and said, you know, I can't

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thank you enough.
I have a beautiful house,

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beautiful family.
You sound like David Byrne and

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he wanted to thank me for Pulse
and so I that's so cool.

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I'm not sure how to take that.
I I still feel odd when people

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say that to me.
Take it for what it.

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Is you've earned it, Yeah, but I
never set.

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Out to do that.
Just set out to do what?

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Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't
want.

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Sometimes good things happen.
To good people.

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So back to your innovations,
Sir.

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So the lasers on division Bell,
they were there was some big

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first about those too.
Oh.

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So, yeah, so that that was right
around the time Clinton decided

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to to release what he called
Star Wars lasers, like he wanted

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to open up the military
industrial complex, the private

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industry.
And I remember watching him

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speak about that.
And I immediately call picked up

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the telephone, called, I think
it was Dave Olbermann Obie.

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And I think I called him up and
I went, hey, take get me to

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Hughes Aircraft.
I want I, you know, they got

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these like crazy ass lasers, you
know, Star Wars lasers.

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I want them for the show coming
up, you know, because back then

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you could do things like that.
And the next thing you know,

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they sent me, they sent a
helicopter for me and took me

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down to La Jolla.
And I got in a room with these

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guys, these incredible engineers
and designers and they had all

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kinds of ideas inside of those.
A lot of the ideas.

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One guy raised his hand and said
copper vapor lasers, 50 Watt.

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Back in 1993, that was unheard
of.

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So they were in Cambridge.
I hopped an airplane, went to

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Cambridge and you know, we got
them and they were, you know, we

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had to have a FAA spotter in the
stage every night and it was

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pretty serious.
But the lasers for me were all,

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at that point in my career,
lasers were always

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architectural.
Flashing of them didn't matter.

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I'd love to using them to define
space.

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Well, which is sort of from some
of the shots I've seen, the same

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way you're using them today.
Well, lasers.

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Now, the ones we're using now,
there's a really young guy

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called Adam Lebay and I, I met
him accidentally last December

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before this tour even was spoken
about.

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And somehow it was a couple days
after Christmas.

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So this must be a Christmas
present to me.

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I was down on a Saturday night
at a studio, you know, like out

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in Highland Park or Hacienda
Heights out out past Downtown

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East and, and I took my
daughter.

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I took my 14 year old daughter
at the time.

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I took her with me.
I said, come on, like we're

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going to go look at something.
I hadn't done anything like that

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in years.
And I went down there.

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He had 100 lasers out and I
thought, oh, here we go.

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I'm going to see all the just
because they bore me now, lasers

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bore me because everything is
just so everybody has the same

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laser show and and that's not
what I really wanted.

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I had I So anyway, Long story
short, this guy, what he was

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doing was.
He was inside.

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The software, so yeah.
And he's built his own laser.

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So the lasers we're gonna see
here in America versus what we

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just did in Europe, is it?
In Europe we use standard and we

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used umm, OK, what's the name of
the well, I can't remember the

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name of the company.
Ow ow, they were incredible, the

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big laser ERER productions and
Ryan.

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I can't remember Ryan's last
name, but they were brilliant.

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They were brilliant.
My crew, Cameron and Jordan were

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unbelievable, you know, and
then, but Adam was the

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programmer and he really, he
really was talking to the to the

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00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,720
ones and zeros.
He got in between the layers of

448
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,680
all the code and he's created
some really incredible things,

449
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,000
mostly dealing with color.
You know, there's a lot of

450
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,960
limitations now when you use
lasers.

451
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,160
You can't just be innovative
anymore.

452
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,400
We did have a three thousand
Watt laser we were going to take

453
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,960
on the road, but it got too
expensive, you know, Huh.

454
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,440
Yeah, I mean it it to me like,
you know, obviously some of the

455
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,680
biggest looks that that I saw
both in in Division Bell when I

456
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,040
saw it and other other shows in
the past, but also the photos

457
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,240
and videos and stuff I've seen
from this new one.

458
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Lasers play a big part of it
well now.

459
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Everybody knows we use them, but
they're not used till the end.

460
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,200
I hold them back That that list
to opening night.

461
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,200
It was cool.
No.

462
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:18,840
Yeah.
Yeah.

463
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,400
So that that idea that's only
there they were.

464
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600
You only get that moment once.
Yeah.

465
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,800
That was fun for the crowd in
Rome.

466
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Yeah.
Now everybody knows that there's

467
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,520
the lasers at the end, you know?
Yeah, I've actually.

468
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,280
Got a video here somewhere and
I'm trying to find it while

469
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,880
you're talking but I can't find
it so I was going to share the

470
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,040
screen on this big laser look.
I think it was com comfortably

471
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,840
numb or something.
It's well.

472
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,960
We use it in both Scattered and,
and Comfortably Numb.

473
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:52,520
And Scattered is Scattered is
David's new Comfortably Numb.

474
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,000
Yeah.
I love that album, by the way.

475
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,760
I love that album.
No, it's brilliant.

476
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,280
It's absolutely brilliant.
I love it, you know, and, and

477
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,320
once people sit down and listen
to it for a while, it's going to

478
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,000
become even bigger as time goes
on because it's, it's such a

479
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,840
statement.
And musically, it's just so

480
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,960
brilliant.
No, I, I.

481
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,880
Like it a lot.
Yeah, he and.

482
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,000
Polly put together just an
incredible masterpiece.

483
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Yeah.
You know, it feels good to be

484
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,200
involved with them.
Yeah.

485
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,480
No, I.
I like it a lot.

486
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,600
I think it's fantastic.
Hang on a SEC, I got it.

487
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,680
I think I got it one second.
I don't know which song it is.

488
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,880
You'll be able to tell me
because I'm not going to put the

489
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,960
music on.
You think?

490
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,400
I don't know, man, I don't know.
I think so.

491
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320
I think you'll know.
Wait.

492
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,800
Here it is.
Oh.

493
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,720
That looks like Oh, it's
comfortably.

494
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Numb.
I can hear it on my computer.

495
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,760
It's comfortably numb.
It's the guitar.

496
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,520
Solo, but that looks.
Like it's in Rome.

497
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Yeah, that's Rome.
That, see, we didn't really get

498
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,640
a rehearsal with the band, so
our rehearsals were the first

499
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,120
six shows.
Again, we, we, we've been

500
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,920
working on this since February,
March.

501
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,600
No, February, actually, January
was when and actually the idea,

502
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,600
the whole idea of the volume and
everything else that really

503
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,200
started 25 years ago.
So it's taken me 25 years to

504
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,480
realize this idea.
Yeah.

505
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,520
That's wild and.
Yeah, it that it is wild and it

506
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,480
took me, it took me a really
long time to actually understand

507
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,360
that it was happening in in real
life.

508
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,640
So.
Yeah, the lasers.

509
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Are really fun, well before I.
Before we move on.

510
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,280
So that was that.
What was it called?

511
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,640
A copper vapor laser?
Those were copper.

512
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720
Vapor lasers, yeah.
OK, so.

513
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Stay on up in.
Canada with with Mario.

514
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Do you know that dude Mario up
there?

515
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,840
I do.
Yeah, I do.

516
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Oh, I can't remember.
His last name, he went on to do

517
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,800
those Van Gogh exhibits and
things.

518
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,360
Yeah, yeah.
So.

519
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Another one of the innovations
that I think was for Pink Floyd

520
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,440
is Z Scans.
Z scans were my idea that I took

521
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,680
because at the time I would, I
had brought telescans over.

522
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,320
Obi wanted another version.
And that was all part of that

523
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,200
huge trip.
I Yeah, what else they had.

524
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,880
And they had all these brand new
helicopter lights for the

525
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,200
police.
Yeah.

526
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,920
And so they were based, the Z
scans were based off the police

527
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,160
helicopters and and.
You just saw it and went, wow,

528
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,560
that's a big fat beam.
We need to put it on a mirror.

529
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,440
Typically what?
Happens with all the things I

530
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,680
come up with, like like cracked
oil machines and all the smoke

531
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,880
stuff back in the 80s.
I'm giving you credit.

532
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Because you deserve credit for
so many of these things.

533
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Again, the circle, Like how many
thousands of people have used a

534
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,360
circle Truss and done the Pink
Floyd look with the beams mixing

535
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,800
in the center?
I don't know what you call that

536
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680
effect, but it's like a freaking
killer effect.

537
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760
I've seen it done 1000 times.
But you were the innovator.

538
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,200
You didn't.
She's gotten emails and I've

539
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,240
gotten comments on Instagram
people being not happy with me

540
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,400
because Mr. Screen, who I don't
even know who Mr. Screen is

541
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Gilmore's house in January and
we're all I showed him the

542
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,240
previous of what I wanted to do
and and somebody said, well, you

543
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,960
know, so you're getting rid of
Mr. Screen.

544
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,160
I go, what is Mr. Screen?
I never know who made.

545
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,240
That name who made?
That name of and David goes I

546
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,680
don't know.
And everybody's going, I don't

547
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,720
know.
And so like, it was this, we

548
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,200
realized that it just became
known as somebody made it up.

549
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,000
But the idea was not to look
like a tribute band.

550
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,840
The whole design ethic this time
was that David has always been

551
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,520
cutting edge no matter what he
does.

552
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,200
You know, his music, his
thought, his whole process, you

553
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,400
know, just everything he does.
And I didn't, I felt like it's

554
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,280
so overexposed that we would
look old and we.

555
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Oh, if you were.
To put a circle up, Yeah, we put

556
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,520
something.
With the lights.

557
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,520
And they started fast.
Yeah, you.

558
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Don't want to do that, no.
It's been done.

559
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,880
So just one last really quick
anecdote about design and about

560
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,320
thought process and
opportunities.

561
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,240
So it was 3:00 in the morning,
Toronto airport back in the 80s,

562
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,000
programming, momentary lapse of
reason.

563
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,360
And, and like the production
desk, the riser with all these

564
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,120
people, we're all out there kind
of like sleep deprived for

565
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,040
whatever reasons.
And, and suddenly I, I, you

566
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,720
know, I hear this.
It was Christophe Ducre who's no

567
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,680
longer with us.
He yells out in his kind of

568
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,400
French accent.
I, I see fire.

569
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,200
There's a fire back there.
And, like, we all like, look up

570
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,280
and we're all like kind of go,
yeah, wow, look, there's a fire

571
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,040
now.
We're in the hangar at Pearson

572
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,000
airport.
Yeah.

573
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160
And, you know, I saw headlines
flashing across my face.

574
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,800
You know, Pink Floyd burns down
anger at Pearson, right, for the

575
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960
next morning because the flames
were going way high, right.

576
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,240
And so we're all, but we're all
still, like, looking at it like,

577
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,000
wow, what's that?
Yeah, suddenly, all at one.

578
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Yeah, exactly.
All at once, we jump up and run

579
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,720
back there, get fire
extinguishers, and we put out

580
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,400
the fire and it was the laser
foam core.

581
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,800
It was the.
Oh my.

582
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,080
God used to sit on.
Top of the laser tables, right?

583
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Oh.
No.

584
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,600
So we put.
That out shut down, you know, we

585
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,200
had shut down all the power
right away.

586
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,800
We used the fire extinguishers
and then we, you know, cleaned

587
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,960
up and then we put the power
back on about an hour later,

588
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,320
hour and a half later.
So it's like 5:00 AM now and

589
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,840
we're really just, but we
decided to go back to work with

590
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,800
a little help from our friends.
And so, so then as, as

591
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,440
everything started going on, I'm
sitting out there with Dale and

592
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,200
I look up and the screen
initializes, which I never had

593
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,640
saw it before.
And suddenly the lights went and

594
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,360
then swung back in, then made
these patterns and back again

595
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,480
like this.
And then finally comes right out

596
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,199
into my face and goes and and
fades out and I I'm just sitting

597
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,760
there like, see, that's what I'm
fucking.

598
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,600
That was the coolest fucking.
Thing I've ever seen in my life,

599
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,440
that's what I've been looking.
For you guys, haven't done it

600
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,800
yet, but I want that that's how
that happened.

601
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,000
Are you?
Shitting me, That is

602
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,440
unbelievable.
I was being able.

603
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,960
To recognize even at 5:00 in the
morning that the universe kind

604
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,840
of delivers stuff to you every
moment of the day.

605
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,000
That is be able to recognize and
be open enough to, and I'm not

606
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,639
trying to be some like New Age,
you know, but the reality is in

607
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,560
a very simple form, that's what
art's all about, that is.

608
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,639
Incredible.
I don't think you told me that

609
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,600
story before, but that's very
cool.

610
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,160
I've gone.
Around all these years going,

611
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,600
I'm a fucking genius, you know?
Yeah, well.

612
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,440
That's what I thought.
That's what I've been telling

613
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,360
people.
Hang on.

614
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,920
I gotta hang on.
I gotta change my notes here a

615
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,560
little bit.
You know, he ain't a fucking

616
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,120
genius.
It was an accident.

617
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000
He burned the building down.
The lights reset and there it

618
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,840
was.
You know, that's it.

619
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Yeah, Mr. Screen Guy or whatever
you called yourself.

620
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,440
That's it, man.
So you.

621
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,640
Answered all your.
Questions.

622
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
See you later.
Now I've gotten rid of all the

623
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,360
myths and everything else.
Yeah, Yeah, right.

624
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,800
And your fans, they're all gone.
You mentioned Brit Floyd.

625
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,840
Did you consult for them or
anything?

626
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Like, did they reach out to you
and say, Mr. Brickman, you know,

627
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,680
we want to look a little at.
No, they just tiny.

628
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,840
Bit of ideas.
Yeah, They just copied it.

629
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,520
Actually, two years ago.
They were playing Ventura, my

630
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
art studios in Ventura.
And yeah, they were there.

631
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,120
And for some reason I did talk
briefly to the guy.

632
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,080
I can't remember his name.
We talked.

633
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,000
He invited me to the show that
night.

634
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,720
I think he was going to give me
like a pass to get in.

635
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Yeah, not even a ticket, but a
pass.

636
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,880
Yeah.
It was kind of the whole thing

637
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,680
was like, OK, yeah, yeah.
Just let go.

638
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,480
I didn't.
Go.

639
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,040
Oh, you didn't go?
Yeah, I mean, I've heard they're

640
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,280
good.
I've heard, you know.

641
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200
Yeah, you know.
One of my buddies.

642
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Is coming to like I think 2 New
York shows or something and he's

643
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,840
seen Brit Floyd a bunch of times
and he said you know it ain't

644
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,680
the same but I he.
Might be disappointed because

645
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,240
everybody wants that screen with
Oh no I've sent.

646
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,720
Him clips and he's blown away.
He's blown away.

647
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:27,520
He's like, dude, I can't wait.
Like he's not a lighting guy or

648
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,400
a, an industry guy and he can't
wait to hear this podcast

649
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,120
because he's just such a huge
Pink Floyd fan, you know?

650
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,080
So, so you're sitting around in
your studio painting and in your

651
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,520
flip flops and and shorts and
T-shirt and you get a phone call

652
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,880
from David Gilmour saying we're
putting the band together.

653
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,840
Yeah, it was the beginning of
January.

654
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,200
Yeah, actually I was this year I
was planning on doing a lot more

655
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,160
exhibitions, painting and and
and and take a much more

656
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,320
aggressive approach to
exhibiting and and coming up

657
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,000
with other projects as the one
you kind of refer to.

658
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Yeah, Yeah.
And that that's.

659
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,880
That has a lot of legs and I'm
having a my first solo.

660
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,080
It's not a solo show, it's a
group show.

661
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,520
I'm part of a group show in
Stuttgart, Germany in November.

662
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Cool.
Very cool.

663
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,480
Some other.
Initiatives going on and so I

664
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,000
had I put that on hold
obviously.

665
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,720
So who calls?
You David calls you or

666
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,360
production manager calls you,
David calls you and says, Mark,

667
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,840
we're, we're going to do this
thing, David.

668
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
David and I in the family, we,
you know, before the pandemic

669
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,560
and after 2016, you know, I
would see him, you know, a

670
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,120
couple times a year at I would
stay over at the house and you

671
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,960
know, you know, there we've
always been, you know, friends,

672
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
we've been around the guy. 50
years, so yeah.

673
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,760
And and.
And but they're just lovely.

674
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,200
The whole, the whole vibe, Yeah,
it's just great, you know?

675
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,520
And and So.
What do you say though?

676
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,800
When he called you.
He just said, well, yeah.

677
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,760
And I had spoken to him maybe
two months before about

678
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,000
something else that was going
on.

679
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:14,440
And we, and actually in 20, in
2023, we had spent, we had a lot

680
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,040
of communication about stuff
and, and he likes my paintings.

681
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,080
He's on Instagram.
He, he is always liking the

682
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,120
paintings and supporting that.
He has some of my paintings in

683
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,640
his house.
He has some of my coaster sets.

684
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,520
You know, he's very supportive
by the way.

685
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,840
I tried to.
Buy a coaster set and it I got

686
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,560
an error on your website.
Yeah, I told Adrian about it.

687
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,480
I was like, hey, I got an error
on his website.

688
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,520
Can you fix it?
And she's like, I don't know.

689
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:41,760
No.
Well.

690
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Thanks.
I mean, I'll let me write that

691
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,480
down.
I can't remember.

692
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Exactly what it was.
I can't remember if it showed

693
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,200
none in stock or if it just.
I think it was just like a one

694
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,360
of those errors where it just
says page not found or something

695
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,440
like that, Yeah.
I have a guy in New York and

696
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,240
I'll call him and I'm sorry.
It's all been happening.

697
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,080
To a lot of people, yeah.
It's all good.

698
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,960
It happens.
I'm in the, I'm in the web.

699
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,440
Nobody.
Nobody is getting the site or

700
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,520
anything.
That'll fuck your.

701
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,520
Sales up a little bit when your
site doesn't work.

702
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,400
Yeah, and then again, no one's
sending me emails either, which

703
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,560
I know the e-mail thing works.
Yeah, not like getting so so he.

704
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,360
He says we're going to do this
tour and, and you know, we're

705
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,760
we're, he says I'd like.
To invite you to to join us.

706
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Yeah.
And you know, I said I won't let

707
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,040
me think about it for a few
days.

708
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,840
No, I I didn't do that.
Yeah.

709
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,440
Yeah.
You started back and.

710
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
So.
Speaking of, it was a surprise.

711
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
Yeah, it was a really pleasant
surprise.

712
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,000
I didn't really.
I expected him maybe to do small

713
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,480
shows, maybe in London or
something.

714
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,960
And yeah, I, you know, did he
tell you was.

715
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,760
Done like last time.
Was it the last time?

716
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Sort of.
It wasn't I.

717
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,040
Don't think anybody's ever done.
You know, I don't think parts

718
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,120
are like, OK, I'm done.
Or this is our, this is our last

719
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,400
tour, our farewell tour.
Yeah, for the seven.

720
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Like I said, I'm.
Going to be 72.

721
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,360
The one thing I've realized is
that, you know, you can't say

722
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,800
it's 65.
OK, I'm done.

723
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,320
I'm going to now I'm retired and
I'm going to sit around and kind

724
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,640
of like, oh, I'll keep myself
busy and feel really good.

725
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,520
I mean, I don't think that's
really a way to stay healthy.

726
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,880
I agree.
With you I.

727
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Agree with you.
I don't think that that was what

728
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,240
was going on, but I think that I
at the end of 2016, when we

729
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,920
looked at each other to say, you
know, good night and I was going

730
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,440
to be on a plane early in the
morning.

731
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,200
I think there was just this
like, you know, satisfying,

732
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,880
like, like feeling between us
that that's probably that's

733
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,720
probably, you know, you know.
And so when, when he did call, I

734
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:02,000
was really surprised, but I
immediately knew that I was

735
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,120
going to have to go to work
right away and stop whatever

736
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,440
plans I had for my art career
this year.

737
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,200
And then I I I.
Know we're going to run out of

738
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,240
time at some point here because
you've got a hard stop, but I

739
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,120
really want to talk about this
paint with light concept that

740
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,480
that you've come up with.
And so was that already in your

741
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,720
head before David called you, or
was that something that happened

742
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,920
quickly after?
I came up with it in 99 on a 9

743
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,200
inch Jesus tour and I got I got
a version of it where the LED

744
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,120
screens were right above his
head and they were there and I

745
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,240
was driving it with video
content.

746
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,840
Mark A Funny. 9 Inch Nails story
from Wiseman, our mutual friend.

747
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960
I love John.
So John, I think he was wasting

748
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,840
all the time, probably went up
to Trent Reznor and he goes,

749
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,240
hey, Trent, I got a question for
you.

750
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,000
And Trent's like, yeah, yeah,
what do you got?

751
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,280
And he says is it 19 inch nail
or 9/1 inch nails?

752
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,080
And.
Trent's like, dude, what the

753
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,120
fuck is wrong with you?
Like that's the stupidest

754
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,240
question I've ever heard and I
don't know the answer.

755
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,480
You know, he's like.
Was Jesus nailed in with 9

756
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,560
nails?
I don't know it's which.

757
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Is long such a funny?
Story though we love John.

758
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Weissman.
And honestly, what's happening

759
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:31,400
right now out there in my world
wouldn't have been possible if

760
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,520
it wasn't for John Weissman.
Well, John's John.

761
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,800
'S a big advocate of yours.
You know you have to be.

762
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Holding to the spreadsheet guys
now.

763
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,760
So you can't design something
innovative unless they approve

764
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,880
it, even though they have no
idea what you're trying to do.

765
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,240
Yeah, yeah.
It's simply.

766
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,520
About the.
Numbers and it's just that's.

767
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,080
Kind of.
That's kind of a hard, cold

768
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,560
reality that goes on, you know?
So, yeah, yeah.

769
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Is she telling you?
Is she giving you a countdown

770
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,920
yet?
You still got 14 minutes.

771
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,160
Don't bug us yet.
We got stories to tell.

772
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,480
So the tell me about paint with
light.

773
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,320
Tell me, tell me what this is
where where the idea came from.

774
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,120
What like did it come off as you
expected it to?

775
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,000
You know, to me, it's
incredible.

776
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,040
And I'm going to do a screen
share while we're talking about

777
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,040
it too, like anything.
Else I'm in 1.0.

778
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,320
Yeah, we, we, we, we, we, we
went to the usual suspects,

779
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:36,720
which turned out to collaborate,
but it ultimately I had to

780
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:41,160
finally find the right platform.
To get me what?

781
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:47,200
I wanted and and and so it's,
it's, it works really well.

782
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,520
There's more that I'm, that we
have in in process now to, to

783
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,560
make it more robust and, and I,
but to be honest with you, the

784
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,880
whole idea behind it was the
fact is I wanted to run a show.

785
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,360
If this was my last tour, I
wanted to go back to 1972 with

786
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Bruce Springsteen and I want
him.

787
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,720
I wanted to feel manually, not
with any, you know, not with any

788
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,560
algorithms guiding me or preset
stuff.

789
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,760
I wanted to be able to use these
looks are.

790
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,720
Incredible.
These looks that we're seeing

791
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,840
are incredible.
Yeah, there's there's.

792
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,280
A lot to it.
And it took, you know, there's,

793
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,120
there's, you know, like I said,
Weissman pushed it through.

794
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,760
And then we got, you know,
Dietrich Youngling, who works

795
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480
with, you know, it's our
tactical maneuver.

796
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,880
It's Dietrich and Alicia and
myself are the core.

797
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,640
And then, and then, you know, we
brought in people.

798
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,520
We brought in other people.
Mostly, though, you know,

799
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Dietrich and I really found the
I found the What the hell is?

800
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,560
That sound?
Well, that was my voicemail.

801
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Oh, I thought it was.
Christmas and it.

802
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,720
And it, and it was, it was some
sales call, I bet anyway.

803
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,120
And so, so it, it, it took a lot
of work.

804
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,520
We twisted, you know, Dietrich
gets in between all of these

805
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,080
technologies.
We didn't want to use, you know,

806
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,320
the typical, you know, media
servers, even though we do have

807
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,840
a, an array of all the brands
except D3 and Notch and not for

808
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,160
any other reason.
They, they didn't really serve

809
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,520
our purposes because yeah,
they're, they're more

810
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,560
algorithmic in terms of what
they do.

811
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,520
So the the paint with light
thing.

812
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,040
Though the general concept is so
that you can actually be

813
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,440
creating a show and controlling
the lighting real time.

814
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,800
Yes, you're busking.
Basically I'm busking but.

815
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,600
It's because the music is
driving it.

816
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,600
Yeah.
And it, and it doesn't look so

817
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,240
because all those other things,
they all, they all look so

818
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,680
mechanical.
In other words, there's no human

819
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,760
emotion.
And I wanted to get back to a

820
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,880
human driving the technology
rather than the technology, you

821
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,720
know, holding back the human.
I think that we're actually the

822
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,080
best computers that we're trying
to invent, but they've already

823
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120
invented the robots, and that's
us.

824
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,920
And so like so did you have to?
Actually Commission the software

825
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,640
to be built.
Like is this software that

826
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,160
somebody had to create for you?
That's what I thought had to

827
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,640
happen, but at the end of the
day, we did it.

828
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,200
Tactical maneuvered, Alicia,
myself, Dietrich, a few other

829
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,520
people are involved and I'm not
going to give their names out,

830
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,280
but I did.
I did reach out to the community

831
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,440
of Touchdesigner and stuff, but
that got weird.

832
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,120
It got weird right away.
Immediately.

833
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:51,120
Some people, I guess they saw me
as an old man, they were really

834
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,720
disrespectful and, and didn't
listen to what I said.

835
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,320
And they knew better.
But then again, that's kids in

836
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,760
their 30s, you know, and I don't
know, maybe I'm offending people

837
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,680
and I'm sorry, but you know,
life experience means a lot and

838
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,160
you don't know it until you're
old.

839
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,160
And so I greet everyone with
respect.

840
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,800
That's, that's kind of, you
know, that's all I asked for in

841
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,160
return, But it, it got weird
right away.

842
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,760
I have some emails that are
just, we pull them out just to

843
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,560
laugh at them because of what
they, they said to me.

844
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,600
But we ended up doing it
ourselves.

845
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,560
We ended up, you know, and is
this going to be?

846
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,720
A product like is somebody else
going to end up using this or or

847
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,440
is this a one you know?
I, I, I, I, I think it would

848
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,720
take a lot for some.
It's, I'm never going to say

849
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:44,120
somebody couldn't figure it out.
But then again, nobody's me.

850
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,040
And so that's number one.
Somebody might try to have, it's

851
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,880
like the circular screen, they
might have a version of it, but

852
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,360
it isn't what we were doing.
And, and, and so, yes, I would

853
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,440
like it to be, you know, yes, I
would like it to be a product.

854
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,560
I think, I think there's a lot
lost these days in the way the

855
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,920
industry is not dependent on the
art.

856
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
It's just dependent on a bunch
of engineers who never even go

857
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,960
on the road.
They just churn out this stuff.

858
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,600
They don't even listen to the
music.

859
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,840
I mean, they don't even have an
idea what's going on.

860
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Yeah.
And and I there's certainly some

861
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,320
of.
That there is some of that I

862
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
will agree with you.
Yeah, I will agree with you.

863
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,680
And.
And I think that the kids, like,

864
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,000
there's some, I hate calling
them kids.

865
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,560
There's some younger people in
my group right now and they're

866
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,200
really solid.
I mean, they're unbelievable.

867
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,160
I give them as much time as I
possibly can to make them feel

868
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,760
like it's OK to be different.
Yeah.

869
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,600
And, and my crew is just
incredible.

870
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,560
I mean, I could name all their
names right now.

871
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,040
I think I'm, I'm capable of, you
know, they're all independent

872
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:01,320
guys like Ronnie, Beal, Matthew,
There's Tom and Allison and the

873
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,000
rest of them.
Yeah, no.

874
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,160
They're cheese.
Now you're getting texts.

875
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,560
I could hear them coming.
Alicia is serving you.

876
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,080
Some names say this.
I remember them on there and

877
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,240
then we met some other guys like
we have Matt 5000 over and he

878
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:20,560
knows who it is over in the UK.
We had to leave them there and

879
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,200
Stu Lee, we had it leave them
there because of visa stuff

880
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,720
going, yeah.
Yeah, and it's a really short

881
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,120
tour.
But it was, it's been

882
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,760
unbelievable, Yeah, but back.
Back to this show.

883
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,440
So you have this interface that
goes to a lighting console.

884
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,200
I guess it's some sort of an
interface that you can then use

885
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,440
a stylus or something and
lighting.

886
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,720
Console isn't driving it, yeah.
Jesus, you got noises going on.

887
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,560
That's my wife.
Oh, that dear, I have everything

888
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,000
else.
It's all good.

889
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,560
It's all good, yeah.
No, we, we actually, to be

890
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,880
honest with you, it bypasses.
There's an interface that goes

891
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,960
on to talk to the lights, but
the actual control is standalone

892
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,000
and the fixtures.
Are all Acme that dot line

893
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,480
right?
They are.

894
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,920
They've been, there's, there's,
they're being modified right now

895
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:22,080
because, you know, again,
there's, there's this.

896
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Yeah, I talked, I talked
actually with Acme about it.

897
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,120
They they talked about the fact
that you wanted something

898
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,640
written on the dimming and
something very specific and that

899
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,360
their engineers have been
working on.

900
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,120
They have.
Yeah, I don't have.

901
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,000
I mean, because what I'm doing
is I'm repurposing because most

902
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,280
of the lights are built right
now just to shine in people's

903
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,280
eyes, which I don't understand
at all, because there's

904
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,960
performers up there.
That's who you're supposed to be

905
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,440
lighting, not the audience.
And and the idea of this like

906
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:56,080
constant bombardment of so you
never get the negative space,

907
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,120
you never get the mystery, you
never get any of the things that

908
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,760
drives an audience.
Yeah, last time you.

909
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,920
Were last time you were on my
podcast you you said you were

910
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,000
talking about EDM and you said
look, if I'm if I'm in an

911
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,560
audience wasted on Molly
listening to EDM music, the last

912
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,720
thing I want is fucking 10,000
Watt strobes in my face.

913
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,320
You know.
Well, yeah, because I.

914
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,080
Mean it's a lot of.
Sense it's OK.

915
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,760
When it when the music's there
but a constant, you know,

916
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,960
without thought, it's just,
there's no thought going.

917
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,880
It's great if it'll it's that
moment when it all comes

918
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,960
together.
Yeah.

919
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,400
When you.
It's like gratuitous violence in

920
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,200
films.
Yeah.

921
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,280
It's like, OK, I mean, yeah, it
needs to make some sense.

922
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,280
You need a line drawn it all
together, sort of pulling it

923
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,080
together did.
You have to kill all those

924
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,800
people, right?
Then he's like, yeah.

925
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,320
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I.

926
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,920
Don't know what the fuck is
going on.

927
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,200
You got too many.
Phones, that's what it is.

928
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,960
I need to talk to Alicia about
that.

929
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,040
Yeah, I don't.
OK, I don't know what's going

930
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,280
on.
OK, I've never had all these

931
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,600
noises that's I don't.
It's hilarious.

932
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,680
It's your busiest day ever, by
the way, before I forget to tell

933
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,520
you because I know we're going
to run out of time at some

934
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,120
point, Wiseman.
Wiseman needed to go another 10.

935
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,200
Minutes.
I could at least.

936
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,160
It's definitely us to jump.
OK, cool.

937
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,440
Cool.
So Wiseman quoted when he was, I

938
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,160
think he was in Rome still.
And I said, how was it?

939
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,960
And he said this is honestly the
most innovative and emotional

940
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,160
show I've seen in decades.
That was his exact word.

941
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,400
I I love that emotional that was
his.

942
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:37,280
Quote so you know that's that's
big I mean that guy sees 5 shows

943
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
a week you know I mean he's seen
a lot of shows he actually.

944
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,600
At the Royal Albert Halls, after
the second or third night, he

945
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,520
was there a lot.
Everybody was asking why is he

946
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,920
still here, you know, why is he
still here?

947
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,440
So but he did come up to me at
the end and he was like, and I

948
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,040
could see him actually, you
know, being emotional woman.

949
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,840
And I said to him, John, is that
really you?

950
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,880
I mean like, yeah and yeah, this
I said, it's personal, isn't it?

951
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,640
He goes, yeah, it's really
personal.

952
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,280
And at that moment, I, I felt
like my job, my job, I'd done my

953
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,280
job because, you know, I someone
connected and, and I and it and

954
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,960
you're also you're.
Moving the immovable, you know

955
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,640
what I mean?
Like it's, you know, I talk to

956
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,920
John every day.
It's not like he always says to

957
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,920
me.
That was the craziest, most

958
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,840
beautiful, most wonderful show
I've ever seen.

959
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,680
Now are built just for, you
know, it's the biggest.

960
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,880
We've spent more money than
there is in the world on this.

961
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,160
And at the end of the day,
nobody remembers it.

962
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,520
They really don't.
They don't remember the hundreds

963
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,280
of millions of dollars that are
spent and you can't even get

964
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,520
them to name something that
happens.

965
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,200
We saw Olivia Rodrigo before I
went to work in August.

966
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,960
I took my daughter and and I
really liked that show.

967
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,000
I thought it was it was just the
right size it it had for her.

968
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,760
It wasn't this insane sanity
that you know, that some

969
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,560
designers do for some of these
really popular female artists.

970
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,200
This was a really kind of it was
a nice scishow, but it also had

971
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,880
it had a lot of warmth to it.
Fantastic.

972
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,240
And then I saw her fall in the
stage last week.

973
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,360
I saw a video of it and she just
like she fell into someone had

974
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:25,560
left the trap open and she falls
in and grabs onto the ledge

975
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,840
right there.
And then she someone, I guess

976
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,000
must have been in the, in the,
you know where it was.

977
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,760
Yeah, they saw it and they
caught her and threw her back

978
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,120
up.
So didn't miss a beat.

979
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Yeah.
Didn't she gets up, she goes,

980
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,160
I'm fine, you know, she's just,
that's hilarious bouncing around

981
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,200
And I thought, wow, total pro.
I just.

982
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,080
Love this girl, you know?
Yeah, total.

983
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,080
Pro.
I love that kind of.

984
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,600
Energy, yeah, you know, so the
only.

985
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Like call it normal movers that
I saw on on this Gilmore thing,

986
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,000
I think were the lights that
were pointed at the mirror ball

987
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,600
or were they even moving lights
I used?

988
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,880
24 dominoes, OK.
And just a straight Truss of 12

989
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,480
and 12 in the front and the
back, OK.

990
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,680
Everything.
Else is is is, is is, yeah, the

991
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,600
dot lines, but there's some
other, there's some other

992
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,800
fixtures in there.
And obviously my spot calling

993
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,520
plays a major role.
And that's the other thing, you

994
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,280
know, I'm now not allowed.
I'm not allowed.

995
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,800
You know, I have to go through
the committee, the Politburo and

996
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,400
some of these venues where I'm
no longer allowed to hangman

997
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,240
follow spots that they can only
be ground control or whatever

998
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,960
they call it follow me, which I
really resent.

999
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,360
I resent that more because
dominoes are not follow spots

1000
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,440
and just in the technical sense
of it, I find that insulting.

1001
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,120
So you don't like?
Automated follow spots.

1002
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,920
Still, I'm not saying I don't.
Like them, but the lensing.

1003
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,520
In other words, the lensing of a
domino is not the same as the

1004
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,520
brilliant, beautiful lensing of
a Lycean or Robbie Juliet.

1005
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,400
It's not the same light.
It just isn't.

1006
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,320
And you don't get the same
feeling.

1007
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,480
And I actually resent the fact
that they think they can just

1008
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,520
take a paintbrush because they
bought this product and that

1009
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,520
everybody has to use it.
That's the part of the industry

1010
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,040
that I, I just, I don't get it.
I mean, I mean, there's no art

1011
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,960
in that, you know, you have Dick
Blicks, that paint store.

1012
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,800
Yeah, it's incredible.
It's like Costco, you walk in

1013
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,240
there, they have other ones
around the country, right?

1014
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,400
Big superstore, you get all
these tools.

1015
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,720
Yeah.
Then what you do with the tool

1016
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,200
is what you do with the tool.
Yeah.

1017
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:41,680
Yeah.
And.

1018
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,680
The same thing.
Here, so it's it's.

1019
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:50,040
Become a little bit ubiquitous,
you know, it's, it's like, you

1020
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,280
know, here's the box design
within this box and that.

1021
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Design within this budget and
you get 2 days of rehearsals and

1022
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,280
that's all.
There's no value to writing

1023
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,920
anymore.
The value is to some overblown

1024
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,960
set that takes up trucks that
nobody really cares about.

1025
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,120
I mean, the end of the day, you
care about the artist.

1026
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,240
You come in there because you
have a connection to their music

1027
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,120
and to what they're trying to
say to you.

1028
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,240
It's, well, another.
Another thing we were in our

1029
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,360
previous podcast, we were
talking about video and its

1030
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,560
impact on, on lighting design
and on shows.

1031
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,040
And you and I both I think are
similar in that video has a

1032
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,160
purpose, but video has become
too big of a deal right now.

1033
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,040
And you used a specific example
that I loved and I quoted all

1034
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,320
the time still, which was the
The Rolling Stones thing with

1035
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,560
the the iPhones, you know.
And you said the problem with

1036
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,840
that was that it made Mick
Jagger look small.

1037
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,000
And.
I'll never forget that quote

1038
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,840
because that just drives it home
right there.

1039
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,280
Like, I mean, these big massive
video screens.

1040
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,520
It's OK for imag when you're
you're just allowing people way

1041
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,720
far back to see the artist or
whatever.

1042
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,360
But you know, when when you make
the singer look small, the most

1043
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,520
probably arguably the most
famous singer in the world looks

1044
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,360
small.
Yeah.

1045
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,160
You got a problem.
Yeah.

1046
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,600
You know, I mean, look, I, I, I
love technology.

1047
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,960
I always have.
I will be sitting here talking

1048
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,600
about like how great the show
is.

1049
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,360
Not I'm not.
I mean the fact that I'm part of

1050
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,400
it, not that it's so great.
And I never say that.

1051
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,800
I mean, I just, I like the
energy of it and I like, I like

1052
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,240
how I love the people and I love
what we accomplished.

1053
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,040
That's the greatness that I'm
talking about.

1054
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,560
Pulled something.
Off.

1055
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,600
But I think that, yeah, there's
nothing better than than than

1056
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,680
art that's not made by
committee, you know, Well, this,

1057
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,600
this.
Show in particular, I mean the

1058
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,000
feedback from everyone I know
who's seen it and who's seen

1059
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,920
pictures of it, which is
hundreds of thousands of people

1060
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,840
now who are following these
Tommy Tommy Voutin is, is

1061
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,920
suddenly a pretty famous guy
with these these videos that

1062
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,320
he's but you know what though I
give him a lot of credit because

1063
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,320
Tommy took videos of you doing
the painting thing on the screen

1064
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,240
and and the effect and that just
drove it home that showed me

1065
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,960
exactly what was going on there
you know and part of me didn't.

1066
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,720
Want to show that?
Yeah, I like it though.

1067
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,320
I like it because.
I mean I I was shocked when I

1068
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,200
found out last night it has like
1/2 a million views or it's

1069
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,200
insane.
It's wild.

1070
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,640
Yeah, You know.
You're going to get some.

1071
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,360
Cool Gig offers no.
I don't think so.

1072
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,960
I never do.
How never.

1073
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,160
I never get anything out of
these things.

1074
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,800
I just I I've learned a long
time ago that what's because you

1075
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,760
got too many.
Phones.

1076
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,360
You don't know which one to
answer.

1077
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Yeah, no.
My phone never rings.

1078
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,680
It's it's, it's more about
people wanting to know how I did

1079
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,720
it, what's the software?
Because they want to do it.

1080
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,560
Yeah, see.
People don't really.

1081
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,040
Respect what I do, but when it
was an idea they all want to do

1082
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,000
it now I I think.
I think you're a bit wrong

1083
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,520
there.
Like I think you know, the

1084
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,080
people I'm talking to about you
and about doing this episode and

1085
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,760
stuff are very respectful and,
and that's what I.

1086
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,120
Don't know because no one calls
with.

1087
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,560
What you've done, John?
Weisman, he calls me.

1088
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,200
I mean, I get that phone call
from John.

1089
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,960
I mean, I, I have gotten a lot
of compliments that I was on

1090
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,680
Instagram from really
influential designers and

1091
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,200
industry, right.
It's well learned and I was

1092
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,600
actually shocked for them to
actually comment.

1093
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,880
I, I it may and a couple of them
I said wow, that means a lot and

1094
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,760
it did good to you man.
But you deserve, you know.

1095
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,800
I didn't want to go out and be
an old I I thought of going out

1096
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,280
there and watching these lights
flash around the screen.

1097
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,600
I just, no.
Yeah.

1098
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,400
I think what you did is amazing,
like it it again, you know, so

1099
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,880
how hard is it to innovate in a
world where where so much has

1100
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,520
already been done at scale,
especially it.

1101
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:21,280
It was more about I like I
really paint all the time now,

1102
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,480
so and I've learned, I learned
every day I paint every day.

1103
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,440
I and I'm, I'm on this path and
what you learn by internalizing

1104
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,240
your ideas and also being able
to just let go.

1105
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,640
Yeah.
You, you, you know, it was a lot

1106
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,480
of work.
I mean, this was a lot of work.

1107
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,320
It it.
And at first I thought it was

1108
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,760
going to be really simple and
easy.

1109
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,800
And then it turned into.
And so, you know, I can't thank

1110
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,600
David Gilmour and Polly Sampson
enough to have believed in in

1111
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,680
what I wanted to do.
Yeah.

1112
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,000
And and actually let me do it.
I mean, I owe them.

1113
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,240
I mean, just so much love goes.
You've obviously.

1114
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,800
Earned their trust.
You know in in how many years?

1115
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,720
You've been around them and and
yeah.

1116
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,880
And that means a lot.
I mean, that's the you can't buy

1117
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,080
that, that David does.
And Polly, they both trust me.

1118
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,800
They have for years now.
Decades.

1119
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:19,560
And so I, I just, I'm just, I'm
just happy that it's resonated

1120
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,560
with people.
I'm happy that you're happy.

1121
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,600
The, you know, one of the things
John told me that I didn't know

1122
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,880
is that this is kind of a family
affair, right?

1123
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,480
For David, Like, yeah.
Gabe, Gabe Gilmore, he's on my

1124
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,520
team.
He's he's, he's, we brought him

1125
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,760
in, but I've known Gabe since
he's 9 and I took him to Hudson

1126
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,240
Scenic when he was nine years
old.

1127
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:45,160
So he's actually had this path
of, of, of, you know, creating.

1128
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,680
He's a set designer in in small
theaters in London.

1129
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,520
You know, he's 27 years old, so,
and he's he's always busy.

1130
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,960
And so we brought him in and
he's proved to be incredible in

1131
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,680
many different areas.
And so that's been really

1132
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,760
satisfying.
Romany is singing on the stage

1133
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,080
and she's brilliant.
Polly's written the lyrics.

1134
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,040
So yeah, there really is this
feel.

1135
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,520
And then the extended family all
around.

1136
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,720
Yeah, you're part of.
That I guess right all around,

1137
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,200
yeah, you're.
Part of the family, yeah.

1138
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,160
And the new band is just
amazing.

1139
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,160
That's the other.
Comment that John made, he said

1140
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,840
the band is like unbelievable,
like so.

1141
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,400
Good.
They're really great in this and

1142
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,840
the the web sisters are
incredible.

1143
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,000
Hattie and and Charlie they're
you know, Louise and then Romani

1144
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,520
that those voices are just
angelic yeah you know I mean all

1145
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,960
what I do is I highlight what's
going on in the music, what

1146
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,640
they're doing and it all be
that's when you're doing your

1147
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,080
job.
It's not taking attention away

1148
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,760
from the picture.
It's actually drawing everybody

1149
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,400
in and directing where the
music's going.

1150
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,800
So every because.
Of what you're doing, though,

1151
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,960
every show is different, right?
Like every show is is not even

1152
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,080
close to the previous one.
So does David ever comment?

1153
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,480
Does he ever come to you and go
tonight was better than last

1154
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,400
night or whatever?
Like, no, I like, I like what

1155
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,520
you did there on that one part
of the guitar solo.

1156
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,760
No.
No, I'm just curious.

1157
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,120
I'm curious if anyone else
notices he's like.

1158
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:24,880
No, he, he.
No, he he's so into what he's

1159
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,360
doing.
Yeah, well.

1160
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,720
He's so freaking good at it.
Like you said, he.

1161
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,800
Trusts me.
So he obviously it's it's it's

1162
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,520
there, but he's he used to pay
attention.

1163
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,440
Maybe when there were like I
used to build these like color

1164
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:45,640
wheels with insane RPMS on the
color wheels with five KS inside

1165
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,600
the box and he'd stare in them
for some solos, you know, yeah,

1166
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,600
yeah, when he was younger.
I mean, that would that would be

1167
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,600
more of a like an effect thing
that he put pay attention.

1168
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,000
But does anyone in your?
Crew or anything come to you and

1169
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,120
say tonight was unbelievable.
That one part that you did or

1170
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,600
whatever, there's been some.
Moments like in Rome and also

1171
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,560
there's some moments in London
like probably the the second

1172
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,320
night when I set off the all the
smoke alarms and in the building

1173
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,280
and and that's always fun.
We were all.

1174
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,400
Celebrating during the show.
Then we found out later that it

1175
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,120
wasn't me.
Unfortunately, it was a bunch of

1176
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,000
guys smoking dope in the
bathroom.

1177
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,000
Oh.
Jesus, so it wasn't so.

1178
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,440
You got blamed.
And then we got.

1179
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,760
Yes.
And then we got bummed out.

1180
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,200
But no, there's moments when it
all comes together and you know,

1181
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,720
yeah, it's we're like jamming.
It's like almost like playing

1182
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,560
jazz.
It's so cool.

1183
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,480
Well, Mark, I look forward to
talking to you about the other

1184
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,640
stuff you're doing that we're
not allowed to talk about right

1185
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,440
now.
And I just.

1186
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,560
Don't.
I don't like talking about and

1187
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,120
this is even.
I feel like I could be jinxing

1188
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,880
myself.
I usually talk about after it's

1189
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:54,200
all done, but I also do that.
I also do that like it was a

1190
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,000
good time to talk about it
because it was happening in the

1191
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,120
moment.
Yeah.

1192
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,160
And, yeah, and the response has
been so favorable that, you

1193
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,880
know, I just, I didn't want to
act like I was a jerk and not

1194
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,160
talk to anybody and not tell
them what I'm doing.

1195
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,200
But I just maybe wanted to give
some insight just into the

1196
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,960
thought process.
Yeah.

1197
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,000
It's so cool, man.
You got so much momentum right

1198
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,800
now.
I mean, it's, it's, it's

1199
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,840
unbelievable.
I'm so happy to see it.

1200
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,200
I think I've always been.
Send you to New York, man.

1201
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,880
There's nobody.
More deserving than you, and I

1202
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,440
say that quite sincerely.
Buy.

1203
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,360
You a ticket.
Man, Yeah, Yeah, that's not

1204
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,160
going to happen.
Yeah.

1205
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,640
Wiseman owes me nothing.
That he's he's just my buddy.

1206
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,880
He's just my buddy.
Yeah.

1207
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,680
Thank you, Mark.
I I love what you're doing.

1208
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:47,160
I'm so happy for you.
And if I get there, I will be

1209
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,200
sure to come safe.
I'm going to.

1210
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,920
Guilt him out, Yeah.
Good luck.

1211
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,120
Thanks buddy.
Appreciate you man.

1212
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,440
Let's see you later.
OK, bye, bye.