#262 - Craig Caserta

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Hey there, just finished
recording with Craig Caserta

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episode #262 If you don't know
Craig, I don't know what's wrong

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with you because everyone knows
Craig.

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Craig Caserta is a fixture in
our industry for I think 25

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years, maybe 30 years.
I first met him, I believe at

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some point in the 90s at C
Factor.

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He was he was Bob Sees protege
young guy on his staff and just

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really liked him from that
moment on and and have known him

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throughout most of his career.
He's now at CT where he is the

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VP of production in Las Vegas
and loving life there.

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And so we had a great talk about
family and fun and work and the

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industry and touring and all
kinds of stuff.

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So I hope you enjoy it.
Episode 262 on Geese of Gear.

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Welcome back to episode #262 of
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So have you seen Episode 261
yet?

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Hopefully you have Lori
Rubenstein or Rubenstein is an

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amazing woman.
She's really dedicated most of

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her career to these boards and
to really moving the sticks

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forward.
You know, she's she's always

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creating policy and helping
people and it really has been a

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theme for her career and we
appreciate her very much.

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Of course, she told us a lot
about the behind the scenes

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organization and even, you know,
I didn't know that she started

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as a ballet dancer.
So it was really cool to hear.

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Please go back and listen to
episode #261 And of course, you

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know, we're still getting
victory laps from Miss Sarah

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Burnie, who is our producer
who's actually a way on tour

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this week with Blink 182.
I'm sure we're going to have

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some good stories next week to
tell.

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But she went and did a one week
tour in, I believe it's in

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Ireland, Scotland and England
and it's just maybe four shows

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or something.
I don't even know the details

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that much.
But of course we miss her this

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week.
But she's still doing victory

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laps for her first episode of
the Leading Ladies, which has

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been very well received.
And we're very grateful to

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everyone who has been so kind
and including people reaching

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out to sponsor it.
So we didn't intend to have any

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sponsors right away on it until
we could kind of get our feet

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under us.
But you know, Sarah, I guess,

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has had a really good coach and
so she she hit the ground

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running with her her podcast.
So it's it's really great.

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I'm enjoying it and she's
enjoying it and and the audience

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appear to be enjoying it too.
So thank you.

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What else?
I did want to mention and give

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gratitude to Mr. Rob Koenig, who
is out with Metallica doing

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stadium shows, of course.
So Rob invited me.

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I'm up at my house in Canada, in
Alberta, and Metallica was

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coming through Edmonton and he
invited me to come and see the

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show.
And you know, I've seen pictures

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and videos and everything else.
And of course the rig looks

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incredible on pictures and
videos, but I can tell you, you

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know, going to see it.
I'm so happy I did it.

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I was kind of like, you know, a
big stadium show like me and

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people don't always fit in the
same place, but I'm really,

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really happy I went to see it.
First of all, the band were

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incredible, like Metallica, I
believe they're all in their 60s

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and and not that that's dead
anymore.

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Thank God 'cause I am now 60.
But because, you know, just the

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nature of that music and how
hard and heavy it is, and the

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band were incredible, you know?
And I constantly pick on Lars in

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particular because he has an
interesting meter, you know, and

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I'm a bass player.
And following Lars sometimes is

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a little more complicated than
following your normal drummer,

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because Lars kind of pushes some
things every now and then and

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it's like.
Where's that actually?

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Happening that shot, you know,
because he kind of pushes it and

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he's very consistent with his
push though, like it's he's his

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mistakes are very consistent.
He does them every single time.

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So you know, it's just the way
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But you know, I've never really
appreciated Lars and just going

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to see him and being as close as
I was to see him this time.

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The guy really is kicking ass
out there.

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Like, I mean, again, a guy in
his 60s probably and he's a

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small guy.
I didn't realize how tiny he was

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until I was standing next to him
backstage and and I was like,

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whoa, that is a little dude.
And but he is kicking ass.

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That guy puts every ounce of his
energy into the show.

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Even though they're in Edmonton,
AB, Canada, you know, like this

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wasn't Los Angeles or New York.
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super impressed first of all
with the band, but then

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secondly, obviously the well,
the sound was incredible and so

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metallic.
I guess own all their their,

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well, at least the speaker
boxes.

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I don't know how much of the
sound system they own, but they

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own the speakers.
And which, as I recall, is all.

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Is it Meyer?
I think it's all Meyer.

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It's an American brand.
I believe it's Meyer if I

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remember correctly.
And you know, they the sound was

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incredible.
And, you know, I would had to

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move away from the Subs because
I was pretty close to the Subs

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right at the front of the stage
and, and it was like rattling me

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to my core.
But yeah, the sound was amazing.

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The lighting, of course, was
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The stage layout, the design,
the the whole creative that they

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put into these towers and stuff.
Brilliant.

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You know, that's Dan Brown and
and team, I guess Koenig's

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lighting design and, and his
execution of the lighting,

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including how tight all the
shots were and stuff.

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Incredible.
Really, really great.

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But oh, and by the way, you
know, I may be an idiot and I'm

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sure there's a lot of people
nodding right now, but I have

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never seen a remote monitor
setup.

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And so this was a new thing for
me.

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And you know, I, I brought a
couple guests to the show and

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Rob gave them a tour.
And that's one of the things I

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want to talk about.
But we went under the seats, the

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stadium seats to where they had,
you know, video world and all

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this stuff.
But they had monitor world.

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And I was like, what do you mean
monitor world?

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And so they're watching, they've
got video of all of the people

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in the band and they're watching
to see if they get any of that

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or this or you know, you know,
my guitar is too loud, whatever.

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And they're taking those
commands and adjusting the

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monitors in ear monitors for the
band.

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And I had never seen it done
remotely like this before.

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So it was really interesting to
me.

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And again, maybe I'm old school.
I'm a dinosaur, right?

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I'm used to the monitor person
being at the side of the stage,

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so on the stage.
And so anyways, that was really,

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really interesting.
But what I wanted to talk about,

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So in our industry, it's so easy
for people to get jaded and to

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just like roll your eyes and go,
oh God, not another this or that

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or whatever.
We become very jaded.

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And myself, guilty, guilty as
charged, I accept.

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But Rob, I had no idea how
amazing Rob was as far as taking

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care of his guests.
And you know, again, this was

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Edmonton, so it's not like Rob
had hundreds of friends bugging

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him to come see the show or
anything.

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It was, you know, it was pretty
sparse as far as guests were

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concerned.
But you know, I had two friends

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with me.
I had a friend and his, his

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girlfriend.
And Rob just grabbed them and

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decided I'm going to give these
people the full treatment.

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And so, you know, he went and
showed them the lighting front

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of house, which was on the top
floor and he's all by himself up

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there.
And then the audio front of

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house and, you know, which was a
little more crowded, lots going

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on in there.
And then took us under the, the

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seats and again showed us this
whole video world and monitors

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and everything else like, and,
you know, introducing me to

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every single major person on the
tour, all the engineers and, and

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lead people and stuff, which was
amazing, great, fantastic.

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I enjoyed it.
But then the coolest thing

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happens.
So we get to the remote follow

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spots, the Roby follow spots.
And you know, I, I hate to say

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this, I hate to admit it, but I
forget the girl's name, who was

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responsible for all the follow
spot operators, but introduced

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her to my friend and his
girlfriend.

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And she grabbed the girlfriend
and said, hey, do you want to

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try it?
And she brought her over to one

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of the Roby follow spots while
Pantera was on one of the

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opening acts and showed her how
to operate it, showed her what

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was going on on the screen and
explained to her, there's a

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light fixture in the rig that is
associated with this, this

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follow spot controller.
And you're seeing a camera from

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that light fixture.
The light fixture is aimed at

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one of the performers and you're
able to move that light fixture

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just like a normal follow spot
would.

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And she was blown away.
I mean, she was just like, she's

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still talking about it.
And it's, it's, you know, four

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days later or whatever.
And you know, again, I we're

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jaded because that's not
something that I would have done

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or would have been impressed by
myself personally.

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Like, no, no, I'm good.
I don't need to operate a follow

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up spot.
I'm good.

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Thank you.
But for my friends, it was

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incredible.
And Rob just every step of the

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way was like a a kid in a candy
store.

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Like he was just showing
everything to all these people.

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And he was so proud of it for
good reason.

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And you know, all I can say is
is hats off, Attaboy, Rob, Like

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I, I know.
So.

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Many people out on tour and have
known many of these people for

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30 plus years and not very many
go out of their way the way you

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did to, to take care of these
guests.

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And I appreciate it so much.
They appreciated it very much.

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By the way, it was my buddy's
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taking them to the show with me.
You know, the hospitality was

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just incredible and I'm so
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And thank goodness there are
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the road who are willing to go
the extra mile and and just give

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people, you know, we always talk
about moments on this podcast.

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And for those two people, that
was a number of amazing moments.

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Like I could probably ask them
if they remember the first song

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Metallica did or the last song
they did.

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They might not remember that,
but they'll tell you every

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minute of that experience before
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So thanks again, Rob.
It was incredible and we

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appreciate it very much.
And yeah, just thought it had to

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be mentioned.
So Speaking of awesome people,

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Two Days guest Craig Caserta is
originally from New York and is

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no stranger to event lighting.
With more than 20 years of

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experience as a lighting
designer programmer, Craig has

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worked for a diverse range of
productions including concerts,

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corporate events, trade shows,
touring, television, film and

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DVD shoots.
Proving providing both lighting

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design and programming, Craig is
also at the forefront of the

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latest technologies, working
with key manufacturers in

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developing and testing new
products.

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Drawing on his years of
experience, Craig focuses on

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customer service and providing
his clients with creative

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solutions.
His current role is VP of

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Production at CT and off the
script here a little bit.

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I will tell you I met Craig, I
believe way back when he was at

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C Factor near the beginning of
his career, probably at the

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beginning of his career.
He was a shop guy at at C Factor

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and I liked him then and I
really like him now.

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So please welcome Craig Caserta
to.

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Geysers of gear, Mr. Caserta.
Hello Sir, how's?

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Happening, man.
Oh, you know, just another great

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day, Lovely weather out here in
Vegas.

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I'm so happy that my producer
Sarah, who's not with us today

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because she's out on tour with
Blink 182 for a week.

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She spammed you to death until
you finally submitted and said,

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OK, I'll talk to Marcel again.
So I appreciate that.

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Want to talk to you I just say
I'm not big on the talking about

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me in.
General Oh geez.

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Well, I'll talk about you.
You can just nod your head and

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or do this, you know, I'll talk
about you instead.

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Yeah.
I mean, you know, honestly,

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you've been on once.
So we're not going to spend a

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huge amount of time talking
about your background or

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anything like that because we
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People have listened to your
first podcast and know that you

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know, how you started and your
days at C Factor and God rest

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his soul and, and you know, all
that stuff.

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So I want to talk more about
what you're up to today and some

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other things.
And I actually wanted to get

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your opinion because in the
intro right before, right before

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we recorded this, I was talking
about an experience I just had

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last weekend.
So I'm up at my house in Canada

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right now in Alberta.
And Metallica was coming through

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Edmonton with their big stadium
tour.

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And so Rob Koenig said, hey,
Marcel, you should come see the

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show.
Dan Brown, Hey, you should come

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see the show.
And so I was like, well, you

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know, and I'm sitting here
going, you know, I don't love

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going to shows anymore because
I'm old and I've done it for so

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long and I just don't like
crowds this day off.

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I don't like crowds as much as I
once did, you know, And but

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anyways, I really wanted to see
this this rig, you know, I

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wanted to see like I like the
whole way that they did in the

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round in a stadium.
And I just wanted to see it for

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myself.
And I wanted to give a big hug

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to to Rob as well.
And so I've made the drive up to

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Edmonton.
And it was my buddy in

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Edmonton's birthday.
So I brought him and his his

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girlfriend to the show with me.
Rob took care of us, but Rob

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went above and beyond.
And so in my.

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What's that?
That's Rob.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So I've never been a guest of
Rob, but you know, Rob grabbed

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MY2 guests like I'm jaded.
I've been to thousands of shows

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and it doesn't matter to me and
I don't care.

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But my my two friends were just
completely like given the red

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carpet treatment, right?
And one of the biggest things he

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did was he took them under the
seats to like remote monitor

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world and video world and all
the, the Roby follow spots.

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We're down there.
And so I forget the girl's name,

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who was in charge of all the
follow spot operators, but she

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was amazing.
And she grabs my, my buddy's

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girlfriend and says, Hey, you
want to give it a try?

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And she's like, what?
And she goes, well, these are

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the follow spots.
You know the guys who usually

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hold these things and turn them?
They look like big video cameras

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almost, but they're follow
spots.

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So she explains the whole thing,
puts her on one of these follow

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spots for the opening act,
Pantera, and she's standing

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there controlling a follow spot
while the girl's telling her

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what to do and stuff.
And you know, these two, like

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her and her boyfriend, they'll
never forget this.

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Like this was, this was a moment
for them.

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And Rob was just so cool about
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And I, I can't remember the last
time that I had a host take care

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of my guests like that.
It it blew my mind and so.

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Similar experience not too long
ago.

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And again, because we're jaded,
like we don't realize how cool

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that is for other people.
And so Pitbull, Enrique and

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Ricky Martin yeah, doing the
Trilogy tour and I come into

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Vegas and so I've worked with
all all those artists and on the

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tour.
So me and the wife go with a

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couple of friends and take them
backstage and the whole thing

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and just watching them and the
way they enjoyed it.

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And it was like you, you
remember why you got into this

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business to create.
And then you see the, and like

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they were so enamoured with
everything going on backstage.

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And then we, you know, amazing
seats and they're watching the

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whole show and the, you know,
asking questions throughout the

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whole show of oh, those lights
and this and that and, you know,

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asking all the questions and,
and meanwhile, you know, if it

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was just me sitting there, it
would be same as you just like,

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OK, another show.
OK.

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Yeah, yeah.
Not not appreciating everything

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like we once used to because
it's been so long that you you

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just lose.
Totally true that the magic, you

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know.
Well, you know what?

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And if you didn't accommodate
them the way you did, it

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wouldn't have been as special
for them.

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Like if you just said, here's
your tickets, go find your

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seats, have fun, right?
You know, they would have still

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been appreciative.
They got free tickets to a great

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show, right?
But these people thought that

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that's all they were getting.
Like, my guests thought they

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were just going to get in the
door and go to their seats and

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watch the show like you do,
right?

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And then all of a sudden,
they've got working passes

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slapped on them and they can
walk wherever they want to walk.

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So they're using the backstage
bathrooms.

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Like that alone blew their
minds.

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You know, the fact that they
didn't have to go stand in line

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in a 70,000 person stadium to go
to the bathroom.

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They were just like what?
You get to do this all the time?

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And I'm like, I wouldn't go if I
didn't, you know, I just, I

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can't do it like a pedestrian
anymore, you know?

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My, my friend's wife had who had
come with us when she put her

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warping pass on, she kept the
backing for it and she pulled

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peeled it off and I was like, Oh
yeah, there's a garbage right

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over here.
And I went to grab and she goes,

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Oh no, no, no, because I'm going
to put the backing on

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afterwards.
Yeah, so.

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She peeled it off, put the
backing back on it so she could

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save the pass.
Yeah, you know, wow, that was

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cool.
You know, I appreciate even

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people in the industry who save
all their passes because I've

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thrown everyone away that I
think I've ever had.

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You know, like I just, they
didn't mean enough to me and

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they they do now.
Like now I wish I had them all

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back.
But you know, it's like Sarah,

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if she was here, you you'd see
like behind her camera, she's

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got every, you know, laminate
that she's ever had in her

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entire time in the industry.
And it's a bunch of them.

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And I know a lot of people do
that, but I didn't so.

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I've kept all of them.
Oh, really?

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Good for you.
I wish I did.

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I wish I did.
I didn't, you know, just.

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Sitting in the box somewhere and
you know, one day when I'm, you

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know, 80 years old, I'll look
through and reminisce and

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remember everything.
Through with your son when your

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son's 18 or 20 years old, you
know, like he's, he's too young

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now to really appreciate it.
But my son's 20 and we talk

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about some of the things I've
done or do or whatever and he

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appreciates it now for sure.
You know, now he gets it.

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But yeah, I mean, again, just,
you know, shout out to Rob

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because it was just really cool
what he did and and the level of

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enthusiasm he had in doing it.
It wasn't just like rolling his

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eyes and going, OK, another
fucking guest, you know, I got

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to go show him stuff.
No, I'm sure he enjoyed it more

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than your guest did.
He really seemed to.

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Such a good dude.
Yeah, flew that guy.

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Yeah, yeah, no, he, he blew my
mind.

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He's he's on a different level
than than he was before that

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show for sure, because I like I
said, I hadn't been a guest of

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his at a show before and it was
really cool.

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So anyways, with that said, so
you've got a new gig.

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I do have a new gig, yeah.
It's the office gig is

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definitely a lot different from
the touring gig.

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That's yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

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But yeah, I mean, so what's
that?

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What?
What's that like?

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I mean like, so obviously it's
probably easier on your personal

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life because you know, it's not
like, honey, I'll see you in

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three months or whatever.
You know, I know how madly in

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love you are with your son.
And that would be really hard.

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Like leaving my son was always
harder than leaving my now

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ex-wife, which is probably why
she's my ex-wife.

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But. 100% leaving hand was
definitely harder and is

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definitely the reason why I
first came off the road and took

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the office job.
That's a good reason.

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It was during COVID.
I wound up, I had three months

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off and you know, I was one of
the lucky ones because we were

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able to go back and do game
shows without audiences.

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So I was able to do some
television stuff.

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But in the three months that I
was home, me and my kid built a

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tree house together.
And I was going to talk about

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that because that blew my mind.
You were you were one of the

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coolest side project dads that I
think I saw on the entire

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Internet.
And I was sitting there and I'm

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like, I missed the first nine
years of your life because he

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was nine at the time.
Like, all right, well, I'm kind

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of digging being home and and
doing stuff with him.

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And then I went back to work in
June and from June or December,

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I was home for six days.
Yeah.

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I'm like, I'm not OK with this
anymore.

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Like I have to spending all that
time with him.

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Yeah, so then I wound up, you
know, taking the office gig and

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was over at Vault for a while
and and that and now just

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recently is switched over and
now I'm over at CT.

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But being able to go to all of
my son's Taekwondo ornaments,

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hanging out with him every day
and having dinner with the

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family every night and having
weekends and being able to plan.

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And you know, the, the
uncertainty of touring and and

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shows of I don't know if I can
make plans in two months and I

446
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,640
don't know what you're doing
that weekend or whatever.

447
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,560
That's a really tough thing
about our industry.

448
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,720
Yeah, so, so that has been a
huge change.

449
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,160
And, and, you know, I mean,
after 30 years of being on the

450
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,160
road, I'm, I'm, I'm enjoying not
being on the road now, being

451
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,520
able to have that family time
and, and being able to plan and.

452
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,840
Well, you, you said, you said a
lot in there.

453
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:29,600
Like the first thing, you know,
I during COVID, like I saw it go

454
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,120
both ways.
I saw touring people who spent a

455
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,520
bunch of time suddenly with
either their wife or their

456
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,840
family or whatever decided I
really need to get back on the

457
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,360
road.
And, and then the opposite,

458
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:47,400
which is what, what impacted you
is, hey, I really like these

459
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,440
people.
I really want to spend more time

460
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,080
around them.
And I'm not saying because you

461
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
go on the road means you don't
like your spouse or your kids or

462
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,800
anything, but it's, it's a
lifestyle that you, you desire.

463
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,480
You're addicted to whatever it
is.

464
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,760
Like some people just can't be
still.

465
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,480
They got to be out on the road,
right?

466
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,560
And, but I saw people go both,
both directions on that one.

467
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,480
And it's an interesting view,
but I wanted to talk about this

468
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,440
tree house for a minute because,
you know, we talked about it on

469
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,600
your last podcast, but I mean it
like it was a little extreme.

470
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,640
Was and, you know, and it was
never planned to be like there

471
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,600
was no, that was.
That's why I think that's why it

472
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,040
became what it became because
there was no plan.

473
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Yeah.
And we just made it up as we

474
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,400
went along.
And it was like, well, hey,

475
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,040
let's do this now and let's do
this.

476
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720
And it just became this
monstrosity of the tree.

477
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,720
Well, I mean, it was lighted and
electrified and I think it had

478
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Wi-Fi and cable TV and the whole
thing, right?

479
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Why it has It has air
conditioning.

480
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,880
It's got a 47 inch TV.
It's nicer than most people's

481
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,920
apartments in New York, you
know.

482
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,440
And, you know, the kid loves it.
Him and his friends go and play

483
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,480
in it.
And, you know, and you know, and

484
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,240
the, the, the, the, the best
thing that I did was the air

485
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,200
conditioner is Wi-Fi.
So if his friends are coming

486
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,720
over, he can turn on the air
conditioner.

487
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,720
From Oh, that's cool, that's
smart.

488
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Yeah, especially in Vegas, like,
you know, it's 110° out.

489
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,120
Yeah, there were a couple of
weeks this year that was 120.

490
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,520
So we'll get the AC running, get
it to cool off by the time his

491
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720
friends get there and they go up
there.

492
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,280
It's.
Nice and cool listen.

493
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,440
You know so.
So like, what are they doing in

494
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,800
there though?
Because he's what, now?

495
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,760
12 or 13 or something?
Oh yeah, he'll be thirteen in

496
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,320
December.
So maybe he's not in there

497
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,120
watching porn with his buddies
yet.

498
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Maybe they're still watching,
you know?

499
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,120
He doesn't have the ability on
that, no.

500
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,640
He's got Apple TV up there, but
that's.

501
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Yeah, trust me, he's got the
ability.

502
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,400
They all have the ability, you
know.

503
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040
Yeah, it's all new now these
days.

504
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,280
But no, they'll go up there,
they'll watch Netflix, and

505
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,120
they'll watch TV.
That's awesome.

506
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680
That is so cool.
Nerf battles.

507
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
And all kinds of.
I thought you were going to tell

508
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,080
me it's Airbnb now and you're
making, you know, 1000 bucks a

509
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,680
week off Airbnb from it.
I've had a few people hit me up

510
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320
that they wanted to rent it out
for LDI and they just.

511
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Want to saw some stirring LDI?
That is so cool.

512
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
That'd be pretty fun, actually.
I'm staying in Craig's

513
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,160
treehouse.
Yeah, that's really funny.

514
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,720
Yeah.
I mean, again, like I I loved so

515
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,720
many people's, you know, sort of
COVID projects and yours, yours

516
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480
is the most memorable for sure.
I mean, it was just like

517
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,400
outrageous.
But are you are you extra like

518
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,640
that in life or, or was that
just a thing that you and your

519
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,880
son got a bit carried away?
I'm.

520
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480
Kind of extra like that in life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,800
At least that's what my wife
tells me.

522
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,000
Like, I don't do anything small.
Yeah, I do something.

523
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240
I I I can do it big.
Yeah.

524
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Not to the Dearson level though,
right?

525
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Or yes.
One can do it to the Dearson.

526
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,280
Level like he's that's he's.
Own.

527
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,440
He's extra, Yeah.
I mean, that freaking the the

528
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Humvee.
It's like, what are you doing?

529
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,920
Yeah.
I think it's, it's a gorgeous

530
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560
truck.
And but yeah, yeah, he's, he's

531
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360
he's in a class of on his own.
Yeah, yeah.

532
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,240
I love the guy for it though,
you know?

533
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,920
I mean, everybody can be normal,
you know?

534
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Only one guy can be Patrick
Dearson.

535
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,560
That is true.
Yeah, it's pretty hilarious.

536
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Not the.
Same as much as I would like,

537
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,040
even though we we live like 20
minutes away from each other.

538
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:42,720
Yeah, so your office is right
across from the stadium, right?

539
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,160
It's right across from the
Raiders training facility.

540
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Oh, right, yeah.
So we're we're over in Henderson

541
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,960
over by the M Resort, right,
which is more of a landlord that

542
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,320
people well.
I remember Chris Aysen used to

543
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,560
always post pictures of, of, you
know, his view or whatever, like

544
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,240
of the Raiders training facility
and stuff.

545
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,120
So that's the only reason I
remember that.

546
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,720
It's a lovely 12 minute commute
from my house.

547
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Nice.
Yeah.

548
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,120
So that's that works out well,
that's perfect.

549
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,240
Yeah.
And so obviously, CT is an

550
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040
amazing company.
It's a great opportunity for you

551
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,040
for not only career advancement,
but for a career, you know, just

552
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,720
to be in a company like that,
working on the stuff that you

553
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,040
work on there with the gear that
you get when you're in CT and

554
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,280
it's just a killer opportunity.
Yeah, I haven't been here for

555
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,920
long, but you know, so far,
like, you know, everyone that

556
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,560
I've talked to, I know a lot of
people that have worked here for

557
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,200
1015 years.
Yeah.

558
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,960
You know, anywhere between one
year and and 15 years.

559
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520
And everyone who's worked loves
the company.

560
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,240
Everyone that I've met there,
everyone's been great.

561
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Yeah, really in good condition
to keep it in good condition.

562
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120
So, so far it's it's it's it's
been fun.

563
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,720
It's been nice.
Yeah, no, it's, it's great.

564
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,000
I mean, congratulations on that.
That's obviously a really,

565
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,320
really cool move for you and for
your family.

566
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,320
I mean it's a lot of security
and you know, your family can

567
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960
kind of exhale knowing that
you're not going to grab the the

568
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400
carrot dangled by, you know,
whoever, right, Ricky Martin a

569
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440
we're doing a world stadium tour
and you know, you can have your

570
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,200
own bus that's.
Fun.

571
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,960
That's, that's sort of, you
know, one of the pitfalls with,

572
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,360
with the, the, you know, the gig
life is that you, you feel

573
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,080
obligated to always say yes
because, yeah, as as busy as you

574
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,600
are, there's always in the back
of your head, you don't know if

575
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,560
the phone is going to ring after
this gig, even though you know

576
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,240
that it will, you still fear.
So you feel like you have to say

577
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680
yes.
And if I say no, someone else is

578
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840
going to go do it and then
they're not going to call me

579
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,520
anymore and I'm going to lose
that client.

580
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,200
So you're, you're definitely a
slave to the shows.

581
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Yeah.
Well, it's funny because that's

582
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,159
sort of the, that's the attitude
that kind of drives most people

583
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,880
in the industry.
Like if it, if I asked, you

584
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,880
know, people who love touring
and wouldn't do anything else,

585
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,280
like Cosmo Wilson, you know, if
you ask Cosmo, you know, what's

586
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,880
1 of the biggest things that got
you to where you're at?

587
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080
And he'd say, I always say yes.
I say yes to everything and then

588
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:30,040
figure it out, you know, and
that's how he's basically guided

589
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400
his entire career in, in touring
lighting, you know, and, and

590
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,159
it's served him well for other
people.

591
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,920
I think it's burned them out and
and, you know, destroyed them as

592
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,280
humans possibly.
But yeah, I mean, you're right.

593
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,800
It's, it's it's a disease where
you say yes to a lot of things

594
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,719
and before you know it, you've
killed a marriage and your kids

595
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,960
don't know who you are and all
that kind of stuff.

596
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,920
And that's the that's the ugly.
That's the ugly stepchild.

597
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,960
I guess I used to always see it
was like the five year plan that

598
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,520
I would see with a lot of my
friends that was they would get

599
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,880
married and about three years in
the wife would be like, I'm not

600
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,960
OK with you being gone all the
time.

601
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,200
You're missing off then saying
I'm going to friends weddings by

602
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,200
myself or party by myself.
And you know, so they in year 4,

603
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
they're like, OK, well, I'm
going to stay home more and, and

604
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,000
just do local work and not
travel as much.

605
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,800
And you know, by the end of the
fourth year, it's like, hey, you

606
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,800
know, we're tight on the bills.
You're not making money like you

607
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,720
used to, like you should make
more money.

608
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,920
It's like, OK, great.
And then Year 5, they'll go out

609
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,040
on tour and then they'll get a
divorce.

610
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200
Yeah.
I saw that so many times with so

611
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,680
many, so many of my friends and
and it's you know, unfortunately

612
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,440
it's it's collateral damage of
the industry.

613
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,720
It is and you know so and then
there are a lot of people that

614
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,080
have not had to deal with that
and Mark on would have been that

615
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,520
or 18 years now.
And for you, it's not easy to

616
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,080
do.
And to deal with that, I mean,

617
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,320
yeah, there's always ups and
downs and there's always battles

618
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,200
about being on the road, but
luckily it never came to

619
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,960
anything more than just some
conversations.

620
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,960
Yeah, I, I don't know your wife.
She's not in the industry

621
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,040
though, right?
She is.

622
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,480
She's, she is.
She's a television producer,

623
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,480
yeah.
OK.

624
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,080
Yeah, but not as much travel, I
would guess and.

625
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,320
So most of her work, I mean, all
of her work is in Vegas so that

626
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,160
she doesn't doesn't travel for
work.

627
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,080
When we first met, she would
travel a bit and that's how we

628
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,560
met.
We met working on the show

629
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,600
together.
And convenient.

630
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,440
Yeah, we were filming ADVD,
ironically, here in Vegas.

631
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,640
She lived in Lai, still lived in
New York, and we met here in

632
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,280
Vegas working on the show.
And then we had done a bunch of

633
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,960
shows together where she was the
line producer and yeah, but then

634
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,440
once, once we moved to Vegas,
then her travelling stopped and

635
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,560
she just did local work.
Right.

636
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Yeah, there's.
A lot going on in Vegas and

637
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,360
especially now they're building
a couple of studios out here.

638
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,000
One just announced they would
dump in, I think it was like $8

639
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,760
billion into a studio at UNLV.
And Mark Wahlberg has his

640
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,480
project going on in Summerlin up
another studio and so.

641
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,280
Didn't he cancel that project?
I thought he was one of the guys

642
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,200
who cancelled studio project
Maybe.

643
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
I know what's his name?
Tyler.

644
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,520
What's Tyler's?
He does all the comedies.

645
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,640
Yeah, Tyler.
Tyler Perry, he he cancelled one

646
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,680
because of AII guess AI just
freaked him out and he said

647
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,160
we're not going to need, you
know, film studios in the future

648
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,280
and right well.
He's got old studios in Atlanta

649
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,120
too, so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

650
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:51,520
So on on family, you know, I, I
went sort of snooping your

651
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,320
Facebook yesterday just to, to
get an idea what you were up to.

652
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,520
And you know, you and I share
one thing in common for sure,

653
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,720
that we're both madly in love
with our sons.

654
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:08,160
And to to again on in your
situation, maybe to an extreme,

655
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,520
you know, where you're building
the air conditioned Wi-Fi tree

656
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,960
houses, but an extreme in my
situation too, but you know,

657
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,360
with motor racing.
But I saw how your son's doing

658
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,600
with martial arts, like he's
winning like state championships

659
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,440
and stuff, right?
So this season he was state

660
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,240
champion, district champion and
world champion.

661
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,680
World champion.
Yeah, World champion.

662
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,680
So there are.
So he does Taekwondo, his second

663
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,160
degree black belt in two weeks.
He's actually testing for his

664
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,320
third degree black belt.
Jesus.

665
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:51,520
He's been doing it since he's 5
and and I don't think I was that

666
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,520
dedicated to anything at 12
years old.

667
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,320
That's insane.
But he goes to what is it, 24?

668
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Just like six classes a week,
assistant teaches a class once a

669
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,800
week, does private lessons, does
you know, and then wow, all over

670
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,840
the country and.
So when you say world champion,

671
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,880
like what?
Under 13 or Under 15 or.

672
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,160
So he's his division was he won
world champion in the 11 and 12

673
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,000
year old second and third degree
black belt division.

674
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,840
Jesus, that's still got to be
thousands of kids though, right?

675
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:37,240
So yeah, I mean that across it's
it's the US, Europe and South

676
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:42,200
America and like, I have no idea
how many kids.

677
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,120
That's got to be a lot, yeah.
And that's.

678
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,720
Impressive.
The state champions get to

679
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,960
compete for district champion.
And then so our division is

680
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Nevada, Arizona and California.
OK, wow.

681
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,880
And then there's, you know, with
each tournament, you know,

682
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960
there's point ratings and
everything.

683
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,400
So if you're in the top ten in
the world, you get to compete

684
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,520
for world champion.
And if you went district

685
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,080
champion, you get to compete for
champion.

686
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:22,640
So he had 14 kids in his ring.
And, and they do forms, they do

687
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,800
weapons, they do combat and they
do sparring.

688
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,760
And so one world champion in
forms.

689
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,960
Jeez, that is so impressive.
Like, you know, one of the

690
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,840
things I love about martial arts
is the is the discipline

691
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,560
involved.
And you know what it really

692
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,840
teaches you?
Not just diet and conditioning

693
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,000
and all of the things that any
sport teaches you, but the

694
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,520
amount of discipline in in most
of the combat sports, but

695
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,000
certainly in in martial arts is
is outrageous.

696
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,440
It's taught him a lot about
respect, a lot about discipline

697
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,480
and a lot about work ethic.
Yeah.

698
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,640
Like right now he's like I said,
in in two weeks, he's testing

699
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,920
for 3rd so third degree.
So he's got a lot of things that

700
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,920
he needs to memorize and know
and and and do for his testing

701
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,280
and, you know, be overwhelming.
And yeah, but working with him

702
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,240
and letting know like, don't
think of everything because then

703
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,960
you're just going to get
overwhelmed and you're going to

704
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,760
start to shut down and not know
where to even begin.

705
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,240
So just everything, you know,
task at hand, just do 1 task at

706
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,440
a time and just focus on that.
And, you know, to learn that at

707
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,080
such an early age.
Yeah, got thick.

708
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,280
And, you know, I tell him all
the time, I don't really care

709
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,200
about the metals.
Metals are nice, but that's not

710
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,080
why I enjoy him being a
Taekwondo.

711
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,560
It's high enough when he goes
into the job market and

712
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,880
everything like, you know, he's
not going to just be, you know,

713
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,000
and the.
He ain't going to settle for

714
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,800
average. 73 sitting in a
cubicle, just typing away

715
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,720
numbers that yeah, do something,
you know, whatever it is that he

716
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:09,000
decides, but he's going to, you
know, put his full effort into

717
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
it and it's going to be.
I think there's a difference

718
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,040
between job and career.
Yeah.

719
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,640
And he's not going to just have
a job he's going to have.

720
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,320
He's going to be passionate
about you.

721
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,720
Know my, my son's exactly the
same.

722
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,240
I'm not worried about him.
He's going to find his way.

723
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,360
And he decided college ain't for
me.

724
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,640
You know, I want to race until I
can't anymore and and so on.

725
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,600
But you know, these kids aren't
going to settle for average,

726
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,200
like when you're, when you're
conditioned from a young age and

727
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,160
my son started at just 7.
And you know, when you're

728
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,280
conditioned and you're
constantly being told that's not

729
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,880
enough, that's not enough,
that's not enough.

730
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,160
And and you know, you need an
extra, you need two more tents,

731
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,840
you need this, you need this.
And I'm sure it's the same with

732
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,120
with your son.
You know, they're not suddenly

733
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,200
just going to become average
humans.

734
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,360
You know, they're, they're used
to competing well above average

735
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,040
and they're not going to become
average humans all of a sudden.

736
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,440
So yeah, they're not going to
settle for just whatever you

737
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,360
throw to me a job in the
warehouse or whatever.

738
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Not that there's anything wrong
with that.

739
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,440
No, no, not at all.
They're going to shoot for for

740
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,640
the stars, right?
Always in every aspect of life,

741
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,840
women, you know, they're not
going to settle for, they're not

742
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,360
going to have ugly wives.
These boys, you know, they're

743
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,240
just not, you know, I know it
already.

744
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,600
So were you a fan?
Were you like a martial arts

745
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,960
fan?
Is that what drove him?

746
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:34,320
No, it, it, it oddly enough, it
started when he was five.

747
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,120
He was doing soccer and he
wasn't really enjoying it.

748
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,600
And I was on the road talking
with the wife and he was like,

749
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,520
yeah, So what, what should we
try next?

750
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,760
So I was like, well, you know,
he he was watching at the time,

751
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,800
it was some Lego cartoon called
Ninjago.

752
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,560
And they did spinjitsu.
I'm like, so maybe try jiu

753
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,600
jitsu.
So anyone needed a jiu jitsu

754
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,840
class, wanted a free, you know,
classes and, and trial and

755
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,200
classes.
And he did it and he was like,

756
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,280
yeah, it was OK.
But it was a lot of rolling

757
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,880
around.
I want to punch and kick things.

758
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Like, all right, well, fun.
Me too.

759
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,320
Let's yeah.
Oh, great.

760
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,760
So, so then we did the trial
class at this Taekwondo studio

761
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,720
and he was the best salesman,
but he he was enjoying the class

762
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,840
and then at the end they let him
break a board and it was, you

763
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,000
know, like 8th of an inch.
Fossil wood, they're pre broken

764
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,600
to those things.
You know, and, you know, and,

765
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,760
and he got at the end of the
class, he got to punch this

766
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,120
wooden board and break it in
half.

767
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
And you just saw the light in
his eye.

768
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,600
From that moment on, he was
like, yes, this is what I want

769
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,680
to do.
That was it.

770
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,640
And so, you know, he started
doing it and then we found out

771
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,680
about tournaments and he went
and did a tournament and he was

772
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,800
like, oh, I get to compete in
this and and go out with people.

773
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Absolutely.
So now, like it's on average

774
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,280
every other weekend that we're
at a tournament all over the

775
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,120
country.
I know, you know, I know that

776
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,480
lifestyle so well.
Like, so I tried, you know, I

777
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,240
was, I, I am a huge UFC fan and
I was for years and years, like

778
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:13,240
I was a UFC fan when it was
George was the LD and what's his

779
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,000
name, the guy from Pennsylvania
who had the small lighting

780
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,720
company, Rich, Rich something, I
forget the name of his company,

781
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,160
but he did all the lighting for
it.

782
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,360
And they went to like Alabama
and Arkansas and stuff.

783
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,520
They couldn't go to any of the
real places, you know.

784
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,200
And so I was a big fan and, and
you know, when we were looking

785
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,640
at my son, when he was, I think
he was six or seven and, and you

786
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,880
know, you got to get in some
kind of sport, you know, and we

787
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,320
tried, I don't remember if it
was karate or something, but we

788
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,080
put him in a class and my son's
64, you know, he was always like

789
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,440
above the 100th percentile,
always super tall.

790
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,040
So, you know, he's seven years
old or whatever.

791
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,720
And they put him in sparring
against a kid who was like 11,

792
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,320
and the kid kicked him once in
the head and his mouthpiece went

793
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,520
flying and then kicked him again
in the head and knocked out half

794
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,040
of his teeth.
And that was it.

795
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Like I was like, OK, we're not
going to do this one, you know?

796
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,280
Yeah.
And because they put him in

797
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,360
based on height, not on age.
And, you know, I would have

798
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,320
kicked the guy's ass, but he
was, you know, however many

799
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,040
degree black belt and would have
killed me.

800
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,680
But I was so angry at this
person for putting him in with

801
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
an 11 year old kid.
You know, it was like, what are

802
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,120
you doing?
Yeah, so that, you know, in in

803
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,560
class, you know, there's, you
know, 18 year olds that he goes

804
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,240
against and, you know, and.
But he knows what he's doing.

805
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,840
It's a combat sport.
So yeah, you got to expect you.

806
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,360
You might get hurt and.
Yeah, yeah.

807
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,160
And you might hurt someone, you
know, you know that's.

808
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Just no.
I mean, you know, so we went to

809
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,720
something much safer
Motorsports, you know, and put

810
00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,280
them in a in a racing cart.
And yeah, it's funny because

811
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200
100.
Miles an hour is way.

812
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Yeah, yeah, me and Donnie Ladico
are the idiots here because you

813
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,640
know you, I don't care if you
got 6 private lessons a week and

814
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,800
you got tournaments all over the
world and all this stuff, you

815
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,040
could buy them new gloves and a
new whatever the GI or whatever

816
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,640
it's called, you could buy that
every week and you still won't

817
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,320
be covering, you know, 1/4 of
the cost of Motorsports.

818
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,640
It's like I have friends who
whose kids are in travel hockey

819
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,560
and they're like, you wouldn't
believe what it costs.

820
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,200
And I'm like, oh, yeah, I would.
You want to.

821
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,280
You want to compare notes?
Yeah, you know.

822
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,720
Yeah.
So.

823
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,120
I think all the travel, it's no
matter what it is, or it'd be

824
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,040
racing or football, basketball
or Taekwondo, martial arts, You

825
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,360
know, I, I, I've said that I
think the Korean to English

826
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,880
translation for Taekwondo is
take my dough.

827
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,280
That's that's hilarious.
That's funny.

828
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,640
It, it does it, you know, it
racks up between the hotels, the

829
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,480
airfare, the boarding, the dogs
every time we go out, the, you

830
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,160
know, eating out, you know, and
of course all the, all the

831
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,600
tournaments are in linked areas.
So it's not like the prices that

832
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,200
restaurants are cheap.
And yeah, it adds up.

833
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,280
But at the end of the day, you
know, it's, it's, it's worth it

834
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,840
as as you know, you know to to
watch your kid doing it and to

835
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,400
enjoy it.
It's.

836
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,640
Yeah, well where, where you say
like we're doing tournaments

837
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,760
twice a month.
You know, I, I go back and I

838
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,280
look at these, you know, when my
son was Kart racing from 7 years

839
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,920
old up till he was, I think he
quit at 13 or 14 is when he went

840
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,600
to cars and in karts though we
were racing like they all the

841
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,320
tracks are outside the city.
It like in the middle of

842
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,360
nowhere.
And so you're staying at a

843
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,440
Hampton Inn or a Holiday Inn
Express if you're lucky, you

844
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,720
know, the God awful express if,
if you're not so lucky.

845
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,480
And but I look back at that with
such joy, you know, because it's

846
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,360
my son and I were together
sharing a hotel room every

847
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,960
couple of weeks, getting up at
5:30 or 6:00 in the morning to

848
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,040
rush over to a racetrack and
spending the entire day there,

849
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,080
then going out to dinner with
our team at night or whatever.

850
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:18,000
And you know, it's just, it was
such a great way to really bond

851
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,440
with my kid, you know, which I'm
sure you're going through all

852
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,600
the same stuff.
Yeah, cuz we do the same thing.

853
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,400
We're up at, you know, like
5:30.

854
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,000
We're the tournament at 7 and
cuz, you know, we're there at,

855
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,720
you know, opening ceremonies at
Bowen and then we're there until

856
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,600
about 5:00 or 6:00 at night,
even though he might have

857
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,680
competed at 9:00.
Yeah.

858
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,600
And he's done by 10.
Yeah.

859
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,160
But then he'll go and he'll,
he'll, he'll score keep and

860
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,560
he'll judge and he'll do stuff
like that during appointment and

861
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,760
weather until the very end.
Yeah.

862
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,040
And then we go out to dinner
with all of his team mates and

863
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,360
yeah, one and do that.
And so you know, the the

864
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,760
friendships that he's building
with, you know, his other

865
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Taekwondo, you know, classmates
and everything like.

866
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,080
They don't go away, you know.
Core of his friends like.

867
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Same and my sons.
Are are from Taekwondo and then

868
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,520
he's got a few from school and
you know, but but 90% of his

869
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,000
friends are from Taekwondo.
Well, my son was homeschooled

870
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,360
because of racing and so he
doesn't have any friends from

871
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,520
school, hardly any.
Anyways, he stopped going to

872
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:30,400
regular school, I think in fifth
grade, maybe 6th grade and you

873
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,120
know, because he was just
traveling too much and I was

874
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,320
getting in too much trouble from
the schools and stuff.

875
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:41,200
So, so we just put him in, in
homeschool and but the friends

876
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,840
at the track, like he's got
friends in South America, all

877
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,600
over Europe, Asia, you know,
really good friends, you know,

878
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,960
that he talks to all the time
and stuff.

879
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,120
It's a very international sport
and and, you know, I just think

880
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,160
that I've given him an unfair
advantage with the 12 or 13

881
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,800
years that we've been in
motorsport because he's just an

882
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,720
edge above all of his friends
and stuff as far as his, his,

883
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,920
some of his abilities, but his
just strength as a human, his,

884
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,640
his courage, you know, cuz if
you're willing to go this far

885
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,240
away from a wall at 150 miles an
hour over and over again for a

886
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,200
couple of hours, like that's a
special sort of skill that not a

887
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,320
lot of people have, you know?
So, yeah.

888
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,720
But anyways, you know, people
are probably getting bored

889
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,080
listening to us talk about our
kids.

890
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,800
But it's so similar, you know,
regardless of what sport they're

891
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,240
in, it's just so similar to see
these kids so committed and

892
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:45,440
passionate about something and
what that really builds in them

893
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,920
as humans, you know, and the
foundation it gives them as

894
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,080
humans.
Like, I'll tell you what I'd

895
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,960
hire.
I'd hire a Taekwondo champion or

896
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,520
a racing champion any day above
a kid who excelled in school.

897
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,760
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't find a passion until I

898
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,760
was 18 when I got into this
industry.

899
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,240
I'm going to find something that
is dispassionate about 5 years

900
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:14,600
old, you know, like, yeah, like
he's, he's definitely has the

901
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,920
advantage on me when it comes
well.

902
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,000
For me, I, I did, you know,
girls music, you know, I was a

903
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,200
musician.
Neither of them, you know, seem

904
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,680
to help my life very much, but
you know, at least these guys

905
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,480
are doing something productive.
But no, it's very cool.

906
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,960
Like I said, I, I was so happy
when I, I found all those posts

907
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,800
on your Facebook because you
know, I was like, wow, he's

908
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,440
killing it.
You know, it's just like Donnie

909
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,600
Ladico, you know, I, I feel half
responsible for getting him into

910
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,400
racing because I think maybe he
saw some posts or something and

911
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,080
said, Hey, kid, you should try
this, even though he's never

912
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,880
said that to me.
But you know, watching Luca, his

913
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,200
kid, you know, excelling at that
sport, like, you know, and, and

914
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,440
we're talking about maybe my son
Jeremy's going to start doing

915
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,320
some SIM coaching for him and
stuff.

916
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,880
You know, it's cool.
It's just really cool.

917
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,960
It's fun, it's cool.
I'm wondering if just, you know,

918
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,320
this industry and the way we're
so passionate about this

919
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,840
industry, if that runs off on
our kids, 'cause you look at

920
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,120
like Greg Jones and his daughter
with tennis.

921
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,720
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So many people in this industry

922
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,680
that, you know, you look at
their kids and, and, you know,

923
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,600
at an early age, they're so
passionate and so dedicated to

924
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,280
whatever it is, whether it be a
sport or, you know, some sort

925
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,840
of, you know, event or thing
that they're doing.

926
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,600
And they're so dedicated to it.
And, you know, and I think it

927
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,960
it, it must come from the
parents and this industry.

928
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,040
Featherstone's two daughters.
Yeah.

929
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,000
John Featherstone's two
daughters.

930
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,440
You know, they're both very
talented, lighting people in

931
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,280
their own rights, you know, and,
and I mean, you see a lot of

932
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,000
that too.
And, and you know, I've, I have

933
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,120
not pushed my son at all to get
into our industry, not because I

934
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,560
hate our industry or anything,
but if he wants to do it, he'll

935
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,320
come to me.
You know, like I could make a

936
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,640
couple calls and get him out on
a tour as a 4th or 5th or 6th or

937
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,080
whatever, you know, and go to
her for a couple years and just

938
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,840
be a grunt and see the world
and, and get that out of your

939
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,920
system.
Have some fun.

940
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,800
But he just hasn't shown any
desire to do it.

941
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,360
So, you know, I ain't pushing
him.

942
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,880
I don't care.
No, no.

943
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,760
You know, I think this is an
amazing industry.

944
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,200
Do I want my son in it?
Not particularly.

945
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,280
Not because I don't join the
industry.

946
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,880
We we all want better for our
kids, right?

947
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,640
And I think, you know, you know,
if you know, if they're, you

948
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:57,600
know, just like a general, you
know, practitioner or whatever,

949
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,560
you know, they want their kid to
be a heart surgeon or a brain.

950
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,120
Yeah.
So you always want better for

951
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:10,800
your kid and you know, and so I
want him to be, you know, not

952
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,720
having the to wonder where where
the next gig is coming from.

953
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,520
And you know, that kind of all
all the negative things of this

954
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,560
and there are connects in the
industry.

955
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:26,560
So you don't want your kids
struggle and and and do any of

956
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,920
the the you know, when we all
started.

957
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,960
The dumbest stuff.
Struggling when we all started

958
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,160
and you know, so you don't want
to see that for your kids so.

959
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,800
But at the same time, if you if
you can somehow get rid of those

960
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,400
negatives, you know, it's, it is
an incredible industry.

961
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,840
It isn't like think of the
countries and places you

962
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,520
wouldn't have seen.
Have you never?

963
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,720
And you know, it's like when I
look at go Kart racing, for

964
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:55,360
example, like I saw parts of the
country that I never would have

965
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,800
seen if it wasn't for that or
our industry.

966
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,280
You know, I've been to multiple
countries in Asia, most of the

967
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,640
countries in Europe, you know,
and I never toured.

968
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,560
I've always just been on the
business side or the sales side

969
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,840
of our industry.
And you know, I've been to a lot

970
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,280
of places because of our
industry, because of the job.

971
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,560
And so I guess when you talk
about our industry like straight

972
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,480
hardcore touring, you got to be
a special person.

973
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,560
But when you get into jobs like
yours and, and mine and and so

974
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,560
many other people who are
supporting the industry, you

975
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,960
know, it's a great industry
because you don't have to go

976
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,880
riding tour buses.
But you still get some of the

977
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,920
benefits of the industry.
You know, you still get to see,

978
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,760
like, even if you're once
removed, you get to see the show

979
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,800
happen and feel a a bit of pride
because of it, you know, because

980
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,960
you were involved somehow.
Yeah.

981
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,680
Well, I think, I think the, the,
the, the thing for me with now

982
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,160
being on this side of the
industry was that I was on the

983
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,160
other side for so long.
So being able to tap into

984
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:05,840
previous experiences in, you
know, make, you know, the

985
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:11,160
transition to this office role
and, you know, an easier

986
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,560
transition because I have, you
know, 30 years of pouring under

987
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,000
the belt and dealing with
different personalities, you

988
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,960
know, you know, putting out
different fires and, you know,

989
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,720
and.
Well, there's there's another

990
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,400
thing like you understand the
urgency because you've been on

991
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,080
the receiving end of a lighting
package that's missing 1

992
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:38,320
component or that you know, the
console didn't show up or, or

993
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,040
you know, something something
happened or the lights weren't

994
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,240
properly cleaned and prepped or
you know, the gobo's were in the

995
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,600
wrong positions or whatever it
was right.

996
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:53,160
You've been in those situations,
so you know now that what that

997
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,920
feels like to be on the
receiving end, right?

998
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,200
So I think that's a huge plus.
Like I don't think anyone should

999
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,440
be sitting in in my seat, you
know, without that in your seat,

1000
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,640
without that experienced.
I didn't have that experience,

1001
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,760
but I had such a compassion for
the people who did.

1002
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,120
And so I, I was always, I did
whatever they told me to do,

1003
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,080
even if they were lying.
I didn't know when they were

1004
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,280
lying.
That was the problem.

1005
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,640
So sometimes I jump through
hoops I probably shouldn't have

1006
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,880
jumped through or gave discounts
that I shouldn't have given or

1007
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,320
whatever.
I don't care.

1008
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:30,160
You know, that for me that was
just the lack of of the touring

1009
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,480
experience or whatever that I
didn't have.

1010
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,640
So yeah.
What do you think about the

1011
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,240
industry today?
Where do you think we're at?

1012
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,960
Are we in a good place, bad
place?

1013
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,560
Somewhere in between.
So I think we're it depends

1014
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,920
like, yeah, I think the the the
state of the industry now is, is

1015
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:55,160
I think very much in limbo.
I think there's we're getting

1016
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,200
back to, you know, like they
used to be a time when like even

1017
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,520
before I got into industry, but
I sort of came in on the tail

1018
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,120
end of it where there wasn't a
lot of off the shelf problem.

1019
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,360
So there's a lot of everything
was pretty much custom like, you

1020
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,240
know, custom trussing and this.
And so designs were very

1021
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,200
elaborate and very unique and,
and then, you know, standardized

1022
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,400
trussing started coming to play
and shows started to get a

1023
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,960
little on the boring side, so to
speak, because, you know,

1024
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,960
everyone was working within the
same framework.

1025
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,480
And I think now we're getting to
a point where people are

1026
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,600
starting to use these standard
things in new and different

1027
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,240
ways.
And like, you look at shows like

1028
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,240
the, the Timberlake with the
giant monolith and, you know,

1029
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,320
and, and stuff like that and,
and, and the technology that we

1030
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,400
have now combined with the off
the shelf, you know, so you're

1031
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:53,400
getting these more custom sort
of shows with custom pieces, you

1032
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,080
know, and, and so shows now are
not just OK, here's, you know, a

1033
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,160
couple of trusses above the
stage and here's some lighting.

1034
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,400
Like now it's getting back to
full production designs and,

1035
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,480
and, and these really amazing
looking shows and these stages.

1036
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,040
So that part, I really love
seeing the industry moving and

1037
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,120
into that direction.
But with the.

1038
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,800
Economy and everything else now
it's, you know, there's, there's

1039
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,840
so much up in the air that it's
like, well, do we want to spend

1040
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,760
the money to do this?
Do we not want to spend the

1041
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,320
money?
And, you know, I'm like, are you

1042
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,120
saying now Sarah's going to
blink 182 And, you know, like

1043
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,360
looking at the plot on that
again, they're doing some, you

1044
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,480
know, some cool stuff with a lot
of automation and, and some

1045
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:45,400
really interesting fun stuff on
on, you know, on the automation

1046
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,360
aspect that has been being used
a lot now because prices have

1047
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:55,160
come down a lot of right.
And out it was, you know, you

1048
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,600
only had what one or two
companies doing it and it was

1049
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,440
really expensive.
And, you know, now the prices

1050
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,040
have come down.
So you're starting to see a lot

1051
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,080
more automation on shows and.
Well, you know, the other thing

1052
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,040
to add to that is it's amazing
to me now how many lighting

1053
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,720
companies have their own
fabrication shops within the

1054
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,000
lighting companies.
So you don't have to go to take

1055
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,400
for everything.
You know, like take, not only

1056
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,080
are they expensive, but they're
they're very busy.

1057
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,040
And so, you know, if I've got an
arena act that wants some custom

1058
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,960
stuff, we can do it right here
in our own fabrication shop,

1059
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,320
right.
So it.

1060
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,840
Was in like the late 70s,
eighties, early 90s, every

1061
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,720
lighting shop had their wood
shop and that metal shop and

1062
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,720
they would build stuff
constantly for their shows.

1063
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,200
And, and then that sort of went
away.

1064
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,960
Now we have, you know, the, the
Thomas Truss and we have the

1065
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,440
Tomcat and we have all this, we
don't need the metal shop this

1066
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,560
much anymore.
So we're not.

1067
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,320
So that sort of went away in
like the late night 90s and

1068
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,600
2000s and the 20 tens.
And, you know, now here we are

1069
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,800
in 24 and that's starting to
come back where, you know,

1070
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,200
lighting shops have, you know,
fab shops and metal shops and,

1071
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,760
and wood shops and yeah, and
starting to, you know, produce

1072
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,120
these these things.
And it started to happen a few

1073
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,720
years ago.
And I think the, the smaller

1074
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,960
shows, the smaller tours really
pushed that because instead of

1075
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,640
just coming in and putting like,
you know, 20 lights on the floor

1076
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,320
or whatever they were, you know,
building these carts and, you

1077
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,440
know, and, and, and it's sort of
started from there and sort of.

1078
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,800
Yeah, that was an, that was an
example I was going to use here

1079
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,000
your old employer Volt, you
know, building all those, those

1080
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,320
carts and racks and stuff where,
you know, why should we go spend

1081
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,040
$2000.00 for a case for the
light to live in when it's going

1082
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,920
to end up on a rack, you know,
or on, on something.

1083
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,640
Yeah, you look at Squeak lights
out out in New York, you know,

1084
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,600
they're doing the same thing and
like building these, you know,

1085
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,320
these really cool cart set piece
lighting, you know, things that

1086
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,560
can easily roll in and roll out
for some smaller theater and and

1087
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,600
club tours and everything.
And then, you know, and then

1088
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,120
that that sort of creativity has
just grown into now the larger

1089
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,520
scale shows of like, oh wait,
how can we use this differently?

1090
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,120
How can we use this, you know,
more creatively and?

1091
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:24,120
It makes so much sense.
Trust, you know, when lights

1092
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,320
now, you know, not only are they
tougher and built so that they

1093
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,680
can live in trusts or live in
carts or racks or whatever, but

1094
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,040
there are also so many of them
are IP rated now.

1095
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,160
And so even the the, you know,
dust in the shops and all of

1096
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,760
that stuff doesn't isn't a
problem for it.

1097
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,880
So they don't need to be babied
in flight cases anymore.

1098
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,440
And so I think that's a really
cool trend because cases seem so

1099
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,480
wasteful to me when it comes to
certain products.

1100
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,000
Yeah, and.
And with the LED technology, you

1101
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,200
know, you don't have to figure
out the the the lamp bouncing

1102
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,240
around and.
Correct.

1103
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,040
Yeah, and.
Stuff like that, you know, as

1104
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,640
well.
And so yeah, definitely the

1105
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,080
technology of the fixtures says,
you know, everything is all hand

1106
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,880
in hand, right?
It all works to get us to where

1107
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,920
we are and and just love
watching the industry grow

1108
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,640
again.
Hell yes, yeah.

1109
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,400
So Speaking of growth, like
state of the industry.

1110
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,000
So, you know, if I was to sit
down and ask someone at Live

1111
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,640
Nation, you know, they'd say
that there's no end insight.

1112
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,400
The, you know, the Sky's the
limit.

1113
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,120
These shows are going to keep
getting bigger and bigger and

1114
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,800
selling more and more tickets
and there's going to be more

1115
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,640
dates announced and more this
and more that, more everything.

1116
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,280
Do you think that that level of
growth that we've seen over the

1117
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,400
past couple of years is
sustainable, like where arena

1118
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,560
bands are playing in in stadiums
and and theater bands are

1119
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,320
playing in arenas and.
You know, I think it all depends

1120
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,840
on the state of, of the, the
world as well, you know, because

1121
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,880
like, I think, I think coming
out of COVID, I hate to keep

1122
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,920
going back because that was
about four years ago.

1123
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,840
But I think coming out of that,
like people were so desperate

1124
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,120
for entertainment, you know,
from, you know, not having

1125
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,040
anything.
You know, there was no new TV

1126
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,920
shows, there was no new movies.
There was no nothing.

1127
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,440
And they came out of it with
this just desire for, I think

1128
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:28,880
it, it, it reignited for a lot
of people, you know, stuff that

1129
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,920
they hadn't done in, in, in a
long time.

1130
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,760
Like you have guys that, you
know, I haven't been to a

1131
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,320
concert in 15 years.
And now all of a sudden coming

1132
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,640
out of code, they're like, all I
want to do is go see a concert.

1133
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,320
Yeah, yeah, concerts all the
time, so.

1134
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,320
When you take something away
from people, they want it 10

1135
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,680
times as.
Bad and they realize what they

1136
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,400
what they were missing.
And so I think that I don't know

1137
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,240
if it's sustainable to continue
to grow.

1138
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,200
I think it will plateau at a
certain point.

1139
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,640
But I think I don't think it's
going to go back down unless

1140
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,920
there's a huge economic crisis
or something like that.

1141
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,560
And then I think even if there
is, I think coming out of that

1142
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,160
economic crisis, it's going to
get right back to where it was

1143
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,280
this.
Yeah, well, I've gone to this

1144
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:16,000
point a bunch of times, but
Rapino the, the, the CEO at, at

1145
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,720
Live Nation in a report last
year sometime, he, he made a a

1146
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,720
really interesting point, which
is that most of these artists

1147
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,120
during COVID leaned into all the
online stuff really, really

1148
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,760
hard, especially on social
media.

1149
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,600
And so you've got the the Jelly
rolls of the world who built

1150
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,840
multi million followers on
different platforms.

1151
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,200
And Rapino's point was my job's
easy.

1152
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,200
All I have to do is sell tickets
to 5% of their followers.

1153
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,160
And when you look at it like
that, you go, wow, there's a lot

1154
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,920
of open capacity there.
Like there's a lot of stuff if,

1155
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,320
if I increase that number to 15%
from 5%, you know, you're

1156
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,920
talking about, you know, a
million concert tickets

1157
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,400
globally, right?
And if, if I can sell a million

1158
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,800
tickets for, for Jelly Roll now
I'm looking to get more stadium

1159
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,160
shows in there and more like it.
It blows me away the number of

1160
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,160
country artists doing stadium
tours right now.

1161
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,240
It's a good point, though, how
social media definitely impacts

1162
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,080
because you look at, you know,
like, that's boom.

1163
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,920
Yeah.
I was doing an arena tour coming

1164
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,840
up here soon and you know, but
was just a guy that was, you

1165
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,720
know, making some music and
started to get following on

1166
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,120
social media.
And then before you know it,

1167
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,680
like he had one song that
everyone was using in their

1168
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,400
TikTok videos is their
background music or whatever.

1169
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,000
And all since like, who is this
guy?

1170
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,800
Oh, it's Benson Boone and
everyone saw him downloading his

1171
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,560
music off the SoundCloud or
whatever.

1172
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,920
And now he's got this huge
following and he's doing arena

1173
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,200
tours and, you know, and it's
all because of social media.

1174
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,560
Yeah, and this is this is the
new world that we're in right

1175
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,320
now.
Like a, you know, social media

1176
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,560
and live events feed each other
as opposed to live events and

1177
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,400
and album sales used to right
now.

1178
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:10,640
It's a.
It's a whole different.

1179
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,000
Thing the only way we found out
about a new artist was either

1180
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,960
hearing them on the radio or
what do you boss told us about

1181
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:22,560
it Yeah yeah, now you can
artists out there that have this

1182
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:27,279
new outlet to reach millions of
people worldwide not even just

1183
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,000
locally you know.
Yeah, no, you create these

1184
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,359
online phenomenons and, and and
it's, you know, people are just

1185
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,720
dying to go out and see what
they look like live or how they

1186
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,200
sound live or whatever.
I mean, the what's that music

1187
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,600
called?
The Japanese music that that all

1188
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,240
the young people go nuts over K
pop.

1189
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:50,800
Is that what it's called?
Yeah.

1190
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,800
I mean, I don't get it like at
all.

1191
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,800
And it's not targeting me, so I
guess I shouldn't get it, but

1192
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,640
I'm just going like.
What?

1193
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,359
You know, they're making how
much they're selling how many

1194
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:08,359
tickets and I, I know so many
dads of daughters who are flying

1195
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:11,439
their kids around the country to
go see these K pop artists.

1196
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:19,600
And I'm like about BTS K pop and
like their revenue is like a

1197
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,600
huge portion of South Korea's
wow national income.

1198
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,319
That is incredible, yeah.
This.

1199
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,479
Band, that is incredible.
That's wild.

1200
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,359
Yeah.
You know, so I mean, the good

1201
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:39,200
news for our industry is that
there does appear to be a lot of

1202
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,120
truth to what Rapino was saying
about, you know, social media

1203
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,760
continuing to drive our our
industry.

1204
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,040
And when you look at some of
these artists that I had never

1205
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,160
heard of, and then I realized
later that they built their

1206
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,600
entire following on social media
and then boom, they came out and

1207
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,560
did an arena tour was their
first tour.

1208
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,880
You know, they didn't go through
clubs to like the old method was

1209
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,760
let's start in clubs, We'll gain
some popularity, we'll sell a

1210
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,120
few albums, then we'll be able
to have a big enough audience to

1211
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,400
go to theaters.
And now it's.

1212
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,240
Just if you got out of the bar
scene.

1213
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,760
If you got out of the bar scene,
I never did.

1214
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,360
You know, when I was a musician,
I never did.

1215
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,280
And I think the other thing with
the, the the reason why shows

1216
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,280
have been grown is, is because
of the social media is because

1217
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:26,400
there's this mentality of
keeping up with the Joneses.

1218
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,360
Right now.
I'm going to go do my first

1219
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,960
arena tour while I I, I have to,
I can't just be on stage with.

1220
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,240
Well, I can't pull the edge
Shearer with just me, a

1221
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,080
microphone and one backlight.
Yeah.

1222
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Like I need to put on this
elaborate show and I need to

1223
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,560
have all the theatrics and I had
need to have all the bells and

1224
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,320
whistles because this guy just
did that.

1225
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,200
So I have to do that and I got a
one up because it's going to be

1226
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,440
all of the social media and
everyone's going to see it.

1227
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:56,240
So the social media is driving
some of that as well of how big

1228
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,960
your show is going to be and how
much, you know, creativity is

1229
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:01,000
going to be in it.
And.

1230
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,680
We'll just look at Taylor Swift
and Beyoncé.

1231
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,040
You know, I mean, like one goes
out on tour and I've got to have

1232
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,000
this big of a rig and this many
lights.

1233
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,120
And then you got to, you got to
know they're paying attention,

1234
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,080
you know, and Taylor's going to
her team and going.

1235
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,240
How many moving lights did
Beyoncé have on her rig?

1236
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,320
Right.
And they'll say 1000 and she'll

1237
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,120
say I want 1500.
Yeah, you know, I mean.

1238
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,520
I'm sure.
You got to know that stuff's

1239
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,440
happening.
But I've also heard sort of in

1240
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,880
the background, I've heard that
there's a shift happening where

1241
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,400
a lot of artists and I, I could
mention some names, but I won't

1242
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,320
because then I could get in
trouble.

1243
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:42,400
But there are some major stadium
touring artists right now who

1244
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,080
are replacing management teams
and replacing people.

1245
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:49,920
And the big thing is they're
trying to cut expenses.

1246
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,560
You know, they're looking at the
end of the day, they're going,

1247
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,280
you know, we're pulling in,
let's just make up numbers, $10

1248
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,880
million a week and we're paying
out nine and a half million or

1249
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,720
$9 million a week.
This isn't sustainable.

1250
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,120
You know, if we have a problem
or anything breaks or something

1251
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,960
goes wrong or we have to cancel
a tour, we go from making a

1252
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,440
little bit of money to losing
money very quickly.

1253
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:20,680
And so, you know, I've
definitely heard that you're,

1254
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,360
you're seeing a lot more and you
might know this first hand, but

1255
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,640
there's a lot more negotiations
going on between production

1256
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:33,280
management and lighting vendor,
video vendor, audio vendor on,

1257
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,240
hey, we need to cut, you know,
200,000 a week out of this, this

1258
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,600
budget.
How can we do it?

1259
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,040
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely very
budget conscious.

1260
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:48,040
And I think again, it's because,
you know, it's like you said

1261
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,440
that they're making X amount per
week or per month and, you know,

1262
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:54,560
and.
They're just seeing it all go.

1263
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,800
Out they're just seeing it all
go away and figure out, OK,

1264
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,960
well, what are our costs?
Where can we cut money?

1265
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,360
And, you know, and they're, like
you said, cutting down on some

1266
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,200
management.
And it's like, well, we really

1267
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,480
need 4 managers.
Do we really need all of this?

1268
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:13,160
Like, you know, and I think the,
the this new, this younger

1269
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:17,720
generation because they're
building themselves on social

1270
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,160
media and they're sort of self
promoted and self grown.

1271
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,880
And, you know, whereas before it
was you had to get signed by a

1272
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,680
record label, you had to get
noticed by a scout or whatever.

1273
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,880
They're doing it on their own.
They're like, well, why do I

1274
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,360
need these people?
I got here by myself, right?

1275
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,400
And for some of them, you know,
that sustainable for an amount

1276
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,840
of time.
But when you want to get into

1277
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,520
the larger shows and the bigger
record contracts and the bigger

1278
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,600
this, you are going to need some
sort of management.

1279
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,000
And, you know, so there's,
there's a fine line between how

1280
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,200
many people are on staff and how
many people are just there

1281
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,320
taking money from you that you
don't need.

1282
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:00,040
Yeah, you know, so it's.
A fine line.

1283
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,400
It's, it's very true, you know,
so I don't know.

1284
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,800
Thing I think that line is
definitely it is there are more

1285
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,240
people that are unnecessary, you
know, because of the social

1286
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,840
media and own promotion and
they're getting, you know,

1287
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,960
replaced that could replace, you
know, three guys with one person

1288
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,720
that's sitting there just
posting on social media all day

1289
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:23,760
long.
Yeah.

1290
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,400
Well.
The other thing is like you're

1291
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:31,560
seeing just more artists who are
becoming much more, I think,

1292
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,960
involved in the business, end of
the business.

1293
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,160
They're getting smarter.
Artists are are not just pop

1294
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,160
stars anymore.
And you know, Taylor is a good

1295
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,360
example of somebody who really
started looking at the business

1296
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,800
end of the business.
And so, you know, Metallica is a

1297
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,480
good example.
We were just talking about them.

1298
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:52,760
Like in the 70s and 80s, you saw
bands like Journey being the one

1299
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,320
that comes to mind right away
who were buying gear and they

1300
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,680
owned their own gear because
they were like, hey, if we're

1301
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,800
going to tour all year every
year, why should we be paying

1302
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,520
this money out?
And plus we can't get big enough

1303
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,880
lighting packages or we can't
get availability on the right

1304
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,440
sound system or whatever.
So we want to take more control

1305
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,480
in house.
So they started their own

1306
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,680
lighting company or sound
company or production company.

1307
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:21,000
And so in the 70s and 80s that
was very common because you

1308
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,280
know, if you needed a big sound
system, you had to bring it with

1309
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,480
you and, and you owned it most
of the time.

1310
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:28,040
Supertramp is another one.
Like there was a lot of bands

1311
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,320
who owned their own gear.
Pink Floyd owned a sound company

1312
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,240
and I'm starting to see that
coming back around.

1313
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,720
Like metallic own all their
video screens and their their

1314
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,520
speaker cabinets, all the boxes,
the line array stuff.

1315
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,120
And you know, there's a reason
behind that.

1316
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,160
You know, yes, we're going to
change which lights we use and

1317
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,880
how many of them in the shape of
the Truss and the shape of this

1318
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,520
and the stage and whatever.
We're going to change that every

1319
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,920
year.
But we're not going to change

1320
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,880
the fact that we're going to
have a video screen.

1321
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,560
We're not going to change the
fact that we have speakers.

1322
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,880
You know, we don't need new ones
every single year.

1323
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,960
So.
Well, and that's the difference

1324
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,280
with lighting and video.
You know, you got to any arena

1325
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:16,200
show and it's pretty much the
same audio rig.

1326
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,720
You know, I mean, this might be
true, this and this is a

1327
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,400
different cabinet, but it's the
same align arrays, Subs on the

1328
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,280
floor, blah, blah, blah, you
know?

1329
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,440
And video screens other than the
pixel, you know, pitch of the

1330
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:33,520
screen, you know, they're all
the same, right?

1331
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,880
Like you're talking about
roughly this dimensions times

1332
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,280
however many to make it whatever
eventual size we want, but that

1333
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,320
size isn't going to change.
Like if it's the entire back of

1334
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,960
the stage, you know, then that's
going to be the same basic

1335
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,760
dimensions.
And if we need to shrink it by a

1336
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,600
few panels in a smaller venue or
whatever.

1337
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,320
But you know, they're they're
commodity types of components, I

1338
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,880
guess at this point, right.
So you know there there is

1339
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,480
something to be said.
Open invoice changing and you

1340
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,240
know, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I guess it's a.

1341
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,720
Little bit different.
Yeah, the challenge with that is

1342
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:14,120
it takes away some revenue for
the rental company, of course,

1343
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,800
like I think for Wall is doing
the video for for Metallica, I

1344
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,640
think that's what he told me.
And you know, they're not

1345
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,400
renting the the panels to
Metallica.

1346
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,360
But funny thing is, and
Metallica may or may not know

1347
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:34,400
this, but you know, panels have
gone from like 5 or $600.00 per

1348
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:39,040
per tile not that long ago to
like 40 bucks now.

1349
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:44,240
You know, they've gone down a
lot in in rental prices and it

1350
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,760
really is a commodity now.
And so I don't know that it's

1351
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,200
worth owning it for these bands.
You know that item anyways.

1352
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:52,440
Right.
Yeah.

1353
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:57,880
I mean, and at some point you
know it, like you said, if the

1354
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,920
prices are coming down that low,
it's it's probably not worth it

1355
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,200
to to but.
Well, because you got to

1356
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,320
maintain it and you got to.
Maintain it.

1357
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,440
You got to, you got to repair
it.

1358
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:11,040
You got, you know, there's,
there's definitely cost here.

1359
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,320
You got to insure it.
Yeah, which is the cost, yeah,

1360
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,480
as well.
So if you rent it, you know,

1361
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,120
especially when the, you know,
the prices start going as low as

1362
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,560
they're going on some stuff like
I'm paying more than insurance

1363
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,760
to own it than I am to rent it.
Yeah.

1364
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,040
So that's true.
Yeah, Motors.

1365
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,640
Motors fall into that category.
You have to have that, you know,

1366
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,080
multi $1,000,000 policy.
Yeah, yeah.

1367
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,800
Like, yeah, that, that's not
cheap.

1368
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,240
Yeah, yeah, no, like I know a
lot of rental companies that

1369
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,240
don't, that don't own motors
anymore because they're like,

1370
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,200
you know, I can go rent them
from, from Christie or these

1371
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,040
guys or these guys for, you
know, 40 bucks or whatever.

1372
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,440
It's not worth doing all the all
the stuff that you have to do to

1373
01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:58,480
keep them, you know, certified.
Certified.

1374
01:18:58,560 --> 01:18:59,560
Yeah, yeah.
So.

1375
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,800
And and the just the liability
alone.

1376
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,840
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, I wanted to ask you because

1377
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,360
I keep seeing this pop up and
your names attached to it, this

1378
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,240
Goo Goo Dolls ring thing,
because it just came up.

1379
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,480
I think it's an anniversary or
something of the.

1380
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,880
Yeah, it's, it is the
anniversary.

1381
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,440
And that was that was a bunch of
with Donnie Ladico, right?

1382
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Yeah, I think he might be the
one who just posted it recently

1383
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,880
and said it's the whatever
anniversary of the 4th of July

1384
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,360
Goo Goo Dolls.
When was that those?

1385
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,840
I think we're that might be the,
IT might be the 20 year

1386
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,280
anniversary.
Yeah, it could be.

1387
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:43,560
Yeah, it could be. 20 year
anniversary but Goo Goo Dolls

1388
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,840
were doing a 4th of July show in
Buffalo, their hometown, in

1389
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:54,640
front of Town Hall.
And so me and Donnie Ludico

1390
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,200
going to do it and we had Chris
Trosper and Mike Finn.

1391
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,360
Or our tax.
Fine group.

1392
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:06,320
Love those guys dearly.
And so we're lighting the entire

1393
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:12,960
building of City Hall and put a
stage right on the staircase and

1394
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,200
we have trust how is in between
the big marble columns of town

1395
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,960
hall and everything.
And Ani DiFranco is the opening

1396
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:26,400
act so she goes on and gorgeous
weather gorgeous day.

1397
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:29,920
Everything's fine starts to rain
towards the end.

1398
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:35,960
Goo Dolls come out and show
start and it just starts pouring

1399
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,560
just pouring sideways rain.
I think it was 8 inches in an

1400
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,960
hour.
The most brains most lowest seen

1401
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,920
since 1921 or something like
that.

1402
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,120
And you can watch the DVD and
it's just watching the

1403
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,400
degradation of the lighting rig
because really this tower isn't

1404
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,160
working anymore.
These lights aren't working

1405
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,720
anymore.
And it's just slowly but shortly

1406
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,560
the lighting rig is into.
Pieces.

1407
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,800
All into pieces.
Nothing was IP rated back then,

1408
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:09,120
you know, and it was like a
bunch of techno beams and MAC2KS

1409
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,800
and and some of the brand new
Robbie.

1410
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,120
It was like the Robbie 1200
spot.

1411
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,640
It was like one of their first
fixtures and.

1412
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,800
Yeah, I saw Tony Perez
commenting about that.

1413
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,120
Wasn't those Robbie the Robbie
color spot 80?

1414
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,880
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and.

1415
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,240
And yeah, it was, it was such a
memorable show.

1416
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,360
And especially because there's
the DVD of it to watch these

1417
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:38,360
this this rig just dying.
And me and Donnie spent so much

1418
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,360
time pre visiting.
And pre visiting wasn't really a

1419
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,640
big thing back then.
And, you know, me and Donnie sat

1420
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,080
in the hotel room and, you know,
just pre vis a bunch of it.

1421
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,240
And it was an early ESP vision
project.

1422
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,400
Who was the supplier?
Was it C factor?

1423
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,120
No, it was.
It was PRG, OK, Yeah, PRG.

1424
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:06,320
PRG was the supplier, I believe.
I want to say Bob Looney.

1425
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:14,600
Was our Rep Oh fun.
And so the show's going and,

1426
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,520
like, the lighting rig is dumb.
Nothing is working.

1427
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,560
And I'm still sitting there
hitting queues.

1428
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,880
And one point, Ladika looks over
and he goes, what are you doing?

1429
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,080
Like, nothing's working.
Like we wrote these kids.

1430
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,840
I'm running these.
That's hilarious.

1431
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,960
Mike Finn and Chris Trosper out
there.

1432
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,360
And if anyone's gonna get this
rig working, it's them.

1433
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:33,520
Yeah.
Yeah.

1434
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,880
It was like we started losing
spotlights.

1435
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,120
And you know, Mike Finn was like
opening a break a box and

1436
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,600
swapping out Breakers Live 0.
My God, dude.

1437
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,160
What are you doing?
He was like, you want the

1438
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,840
spotlight to work right?
I'm like dude, you're crazy, but

1439
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,240
thank you.
Yeah, because it.

1440
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,400
Was the only light and it's
being filmed right?

1441
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:56,080
And, you know, and then at the
end of the night, it's like we

1442
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,960
have this big confetti queue,
and there's like, the big

1443
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:05,080
blowers, the big confetti
blowers with the, you know, the

1444
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,680
giant fans.
Yeah.

1445
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:12,600
And we have the red, white and
blue Mylar, not Mylar tissue

1446
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,480
paper.
And Chris Trost was like, oh,

1447
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,800
oh, what are we doing?
Are we doing the confetti?

1448
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,520
And me and Ladiko looking at
each other like, oh, God,

1449
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,880
confetti.
What?

1450
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,400
And he's like, go confetti.
So the confetti starts going and

1451
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,400
we just see it just sticking to
people.

1452
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,160
And Oh my God, what a mess.
Paper mache people.

1453
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,520
And.
Me and Donnie are laughing

1454
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,400
hysterically from Oh my God we
hear transferon headset cracking

1455
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:45,680
up but we'll just like dump it
all just just keep dumping it it

1456
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:46,440
just seems.
People.

1457
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:50,040
Memorable, you know, paper
mache, crappy people, so funny.

1458
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,280
Cracking up hysterically.
And that's funny.

1459
01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:56,000
The show finishes and it's
supposed to be at this big

1460
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,840
firework show afterwards.
And when Johnny Resnick says

1461
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,360
thank you, goodnight, it's like
someone realized they left the

1462
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,440
faucet on, because as soon as he
says goodnight and turns and

1463
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:08,840
walks off the stage, it stops
raining.

1464
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,000
Jesus.
Lately stops and so it was like

1465
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,920
oh it's stop raining all right
we'll go fireworks send that to

1466
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,080
big fireworks show but to be
able to watch that and have that

1467
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:23,080
all caught on camera and be able
to watch that DVD that's.

1468
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:27,560
Hilarious.
Relive those moments of just Oh

1469
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,760
my God, like we put so much work
into the show and no one's ever

1470
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,880
going to get to see it and just
yeah, watching the lighting rig

1471
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,920
and and when you first start
losing light to like, you know,

1472
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,920
oh, transfer, we lost fixture
two O 7.

1473
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:47,160
Oh yeah, we lost fixture, you
know, 513 and then violent.

1474
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,320
Yeah, we just lost the whole
Trump's.

1475
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,520
Yeah, do you remember?
Do you remember what the last

1476
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,760
song was when all the when all
the paper mache was happening?

1477
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,800
The confetti.
I want to say I want.

1478
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,000
To go look it up on YouTube.
I think it was Gib a little bit

1479
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:06,120
because they had just done the
cover remake of Gib a little

1480
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:06,880
bit.
OK.

1481
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,640
So I think that was the the
last.

1482
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,440
Song I'm gonna go I'm gonna go
see if I can find it on YouTube

1483
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,600
because I I want to see that now
and I don't have a DVD player

1484
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,480
yeah.
So yeah.

1485
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:21,200
But but that was that was an
amazing show and and to be and

1486
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,440
to do it with Donnie, like, you
know, me and Donnie and work

1487
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:28,640
together and Finn and just and
and we had Co designed a bunch

1488
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,880
of shows together and to you
know, and prosper is amazing.

1489
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,240
Mike Finn is amazing to so you
know, again, like we were

1490
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,520
talking about, you know, these
experiences that we've had that

1491
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,160
you know, not in this like never
have those kinds of experiences.

1492
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,920
Yeah, that's so cool.
That have those experiences with

1493
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,720
people that you enjoy and.
Hell yeah, that's what it's all

1494
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,800
about.
And now to be able to relive it

1495
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,920
all just by, you know, just
watching the DVD and showing my

1496
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:59,000
kid, you know, then it did.
When he's probably going Dad.

1497
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,200
Why?
Yeah.

1498
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:01,560
Why?
Yeah.

1499
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,320
Like that looks so miserable.
My, my, my, my kid likes to give

1500
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,160
me a hard time.
Tommy, you were born in, like,

1501
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,400
the mid 1900s.
I'm like, oh, so much, son.

1502
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:11,960
Yeah.
Yeah.

1503
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,760
Well, you make me feel it sounds
so old when you put it that way.

1504
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,200
But yeah, you're not wrong.
Yeah, it's totally true.

1505
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,440
Yeah.
I mean, when I, when I start

1506
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:24,040
thinking like when you think
that Goo Goo Dolls show was 20

1507
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,200
years ago, it's got to freak you
out a little bit, you know,

1508
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,640
because it's like, like I
remember my first LDI show and

1509
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,320
when I start thinking about it,
I go, that was like, you know,

1510
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,960
35 years ago or something.
And I'm thinking what you know.

1511
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,120
So someone the other day and I
was like, I was like, Oh yeah,

1512
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,440
no, what?
We've known each other for what?

1513
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,920
And it's got to be like 10-12
years and he's looking and he

1514
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:51,040
goes to, we met in like 98.
Yeah, that's funny.

1515
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,480
Well. 98 feels like 10-12 years
ago, doesn't it?

1516
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:56,920
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, that OK.

1517
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,920
Yeah.
SO11 more question I want to ask

1518
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:03,480
you, what do you have any
current favorite gear at all?

1519
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,880
Like stuff that that you're just
going, wow, I really love this

1520
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,640
thing.
Well, in, in, in in the new

1521
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,360
role.
My answer is my favorite piece

1522
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,240
of gear is the one that doesn't
sit on the shelf.

1523
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,080
Right.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

1524
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,840
But as far as artistically, you
know, like there, there's so

1525
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,240
many cool fixtures out there now
is like, you know, the the Acme

1526
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,840
Pulsar 2 with the double sided
with the strobe and the grid and

1527
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,160
the stuff like that or.
This.

1528
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,440
That's cool.
And then, you know, like the the

1529
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:39,240
the fixtures that are coming out
now or, you know, some of them

1530
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,320
want trick ponies, but some of
them I think are, you know, have

1531
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,880
legs like, you know, that, that
are implementing the Mac 1, you

1532
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:47,960
know, yeah.
That thing's cool.

1533
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,560
Such an awesome fixture because
like it it, it almost is a

1534
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:56,960
throwback to the old VO5 look.
Yeah, you know, And so there's

1535
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,000
so much versatility.
Just the size like makes it so.

1536
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,200
Versatile.
Yeah.

1537
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,360
You can set pieces and just, you
know, scatter hundreds of them

1538
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,800
around the station.
And those, those four bar things

1539
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,120
that you can get with it, you
know, like just send a couple of

1540
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,240
those out for a trade show booth
or whatever and you're good,

1541
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,200
right?
Yeah, you know, now the the the

1542
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:21,400
ability to push video through
some of these fixtures, like the

1543
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:27,800
the the Mac one or the the the
OR a pixel or some of these

1544
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,400
other the Ruby spider or
something like that.

1545
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:38,560
Yeah, the I remember trying to
emulate that with pixel mapping

1546
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:43,440
in the MA one with some of these
fixtures and trying to do this.

1547
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:47,160
And now you took a video through
it and it's like, yeah, more

1548
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,760
versatility and, and and so much
creativity that could be done

1549
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:51,880
with them.
So those are great.

1550
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,400
I like being that that aren't
standard, just, OK, here's a

1551
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,120
spot, here's a lot, you know,
like, you know, something that

1552
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,160
has, for lack of a better term
of gag.

1553
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:06,000
Yeah, they're really gag lines.
Well, because other than that,

1554
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,680
all the companies are the same
now everything is good.

1555
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,240
Like who?
10 years ago you couldn't have

1556
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,640
told me that you'd use a bunch
of American DJ stuff on a on a

1557
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,920
professional show, you know, or
on a job, right?

1558
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,040
But today it's good like that.
A DJ stuff is really good now

1559
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,920
you know.
Water and John Donne and and

1560
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,640
you're saying like they've done
a great job on taking likes that

1561
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,560
used to buy it you know Guitar
Center yeah to professional

1562
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,160
market you know same Michelle
Day you know exactly he's got

1563
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,760
fixtures but you know.
But the stuff's all good now.

1564
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,280
It really is like it's, you
know, there is definitely some

1565
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,920
stuff that's better, like some
stuff that I would trust a lot

1566
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,680
more if I'm going to put it out
on a, you know, 6 month cruise

1567
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,120
ship thing that they're not
coming back for service or

1568
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,640
whatever.
You know, I might pick this line

1569
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,600
over this line or whatever.
Like Robe and Air 10 are

1570
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,600
probably, you know, a little bit
above some of the other ones

1571
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,840
when it comes to quality and
price.

1572
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,920
They're more expensive and all
that kind of stuff.

1573
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,320
But but now elation is
excellent.

1574
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,120
You know, like you said, Chauvet
is very good.

1575
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,640
It's all good.
It's all just so good.

1576
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,680
And I guess kids now nowadays
are spoiled.

1577
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,640
But then.
Says like, you know, yeah,

1578
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:33,000
studio color and studio spot or
or MAC500 or MAC600 like yeah,

1579
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,040
exactly.
That was it and 1:00.

1580
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,520
Back in my day, it was even
before you had moving heads.

1581
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,200
It's like that, you know, so.
Yeah, moving lights came out,

1582
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,520
you know, like that, that those
were your options really, you

1583
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,040
know.
Yeah, but you're right though,

1584
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,760
the the the brands are all a
little bit like ubiquitous where

1585
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,520
it's like I could use Clay
Pacquiao, I could use Martin, I

1586
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,080
could use this, I could use
this.

1587
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,280
You could pick a pick a line and
you can get a wash a spot a

1588
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:00,680
profile of this so that a beam.
But then you look for the eye

1589
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,640
candy fixtures that where one
jumps out above the rest and

1590
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,160
does a, whether it's a gag or
multiple gags, but it's

1591
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,240
different for whatever reason,
you know?

1592
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,480
And yeah, the Mac one falls into
that.

1593
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,040
You know, I think if the US
weren't so goofy with how we

1594
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:21,400
managed laser through the Food
and Drug Administration, which

1595
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,880
makes no sense whatsoever.
But that little new fixture

1596
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,400
from, from Airton really blows
me away.

1597
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:32,040
The little 100 Watt laser
phosphor Kalami, I think it's

1598
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,880
called, that thing is, is
incredible just because of the

1599
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,080
form factor.
You know, it's this tiny little

1600
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,760
thing and, and all the beam just
blows my mind.

1601
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:49,200
So yeah, the this, this laser
excited phosphor fixtures are

1602
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,600
really impressive because you
don't need the variance for them

1603
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,560
because the laser is not coming
out of the fixture, whereas at

1604
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,360
least so now.
You're wrong.

1605
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:03,240
Yeah, you're wrong.
There's very few of them that

1606
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:07,760
have managed to get around the
variance, but most of them, even

1607
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,720
this 100 Watt Kailami is
supposed to be less powerful

1608
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,640
than needs any kind of a
variance.

1609
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,160
And it goes through all those
things and stuff, but it's it's

1610
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,720
still has to have a variance,
you know, and the Cobras and the

1611
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,240
the Stilos has to have a
variance.

1612
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,040
Yeah.
So it's stupid, It's pointless,

1613
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,240
because point a Sharpie at your
head and that's going to do more

1614
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,680
eye damage than a Kai Lami or a
Steelos is, you know?

1615
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,080
Not that a lot of stages with
sharpies.

1616
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:39,920
Exactly.
I mean, they're, they're

1617
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,720
dangerous little fixtures.
And then have 200 of them on one

1618
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,800
time spot and suddenly you get
the carpenters yelling at you

1619
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,280
that you're burning the stage.
Yeah, or people lighting

1620
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,240
cigarettes from, from the
Sharpies or whatever, you know,

1621
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:56,000
I mean it, it's, it's crazy.
But yeah, there's a lot of

1622
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,480
really good stuff out there
right now.

1623
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:01,120
It's an exciting time from a,
from a standpoint of how good

1624
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,080
everything is, you know, and
it's all really well built and

1625
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,920
really reliable and all that
kind of stuff.

1626
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,720
Like I'll get plots now from,
you know, people that it's just

1627
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,600
hard edge wash.
Like like they don't even

1628
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,640
specify.
It's like good good.

1629
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:21,120
Just need 20 hard edge and 20
water flights on this Truss and

1630
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:25,600
X amount on this truck.
But then I need the Mac one or I

1631
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,240
need the, you know, centrons or
I need the pixel line or I need,

1632
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:30,840
you know, like those kind of
things.

1633
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,000
The those they're specific
about.

1634
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:37,240
But as far as the art and
washes, I mean, everything has

1635
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:41,840
gotten so good to this point now
where it's like it doesn't

1636
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,600
matter which manufacturer it is.
That's how it should be, though.

1637
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,640
That's really how it should be.
Let the rental company manage

1638
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:52,240
their own inventory, like don't
force them to go out and buy or

1639
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:56,560
sub rent 200 of some obscure
fixture or something, you know,

1640
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,320
just because you've cut a deal
with the manufacturer or

1641
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,520
whatever.
Like unless it really is

1642
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,200
specific, you know, like you
said so, but who are we to tell

1643
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,160
them what to do?
Exactly.

1644
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,040
Craig, I appreciate you taking
the time today to.

1645
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,440
Show.
Yeah, exactly.

1646
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,000
I appreciate you doing this,
buddy.

1647
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,160
It's really good to see you
again and to talk to you.

1648
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,440
And I know you're in a new gig,
so you're stealing time from the

1649
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:22,440
company so I can't keep you all
day, so.

1650
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,640
Well, it's great catching up
with you, good talking and good

1651
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,240
seeing you.
And thanks for having me back

1652
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,320
on.
And you and don't, don't hang up

1653
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,640
right away because I got to, I
got to tell you something real

1654
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,280
quick.
Sounds good.