Aug. 7, 2024

#256 - Bryan Hartley

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Transcript

Production and Lighting Designer Bryan Hartley has designed for a lot of metal bands in his long and storied career. Many people know Bryan as the past LD for KISS,,Megadeth, Aerosmith, Mötley Crüe, and many other names but He is perhaps best known for his longtime design work for the Trans-Siberian Orchestra (TSO), for which he has won Parnelli Awards for Best Lighting Design, This year will be 26 years with TSO.

Bryan has also worked multiple times with the iconic thrash metal band Megadeth during the past 35 years. Bryan has just got back from Europe Touring with Five Finger Death Punch so we are extremely pleased Bryan has time to chat with me on Geezers Of Gear now.

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Hello, and here you are episode
#256 and I got to tell you it

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was a lot of fun.
Just finished recording with

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Brian Hartley and I'm sure many
of you will remember Brian for

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being that guy from KISS, or you
know, that guy from Megadeth or

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whatever.
But people forget that for the

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last 25 or so years, Brian's
main gig has been with TSO

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Trans-siberian Orchestra, a
Christmas show, as everyone

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calls it.
But Brian is sure to point out

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on this podcast and, and anytime
anyone asks him, you got to see

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it.
It's not just a Christmas show.

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It is a huge production and a
beautiful show and loads and

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loads of gear on it.
And so, yeah, this was a lot of

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fun.
I actually learned a really

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important story about
trans-siberian orchestra that I

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did not know.
Did you know what band Trans

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Siberia Orchestra was formed
from?

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Listen to the podcast and find
out.

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Welcome back.

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And so before I get started
today, I want to remind you to

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listen to the most recent
podcasts, which are both really

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good.
Scott DeVos, I think is number

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254 and a guy who's been in the
business a long time.

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I think it was 50 years or 52
years longer than most people.

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And then most recently, episode
255, which is Chris Lyle, both

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Nashville residents, both great
guys, both really great stories

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to tell.
I suggest you listen to them.

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I like that you listen to all of
our podcasts, but these are good

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ones.
And so I've been hearing a lot

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more about acquisitions and
mergers that are being

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discussed.
Of course, many of these are

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sensitive.
I can't talk about them.

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People can't talk about them.
Oftentimes I will find out about

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things.
People like to share their

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secrets with me, and I respect
their request for

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confidentiality.
So I don't really, even though

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I'm not contractually, you know,
bound by something that says I

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have to be quiet, I tend to
protect those secrets for people

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and companies.
But there appears to be a lot of

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M&A activity happening now.
And I've felt for a long time,

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and I've mentioned this a lot on
the podcast, I think people are

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hurting for cash right now.
Companies are finding themselves

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in capital need.
Banks are not lending and

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investors are kind of sitting on
their wallets.

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And so it's kind of a weird
time.

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You know, manufacturers are are
seeing their inventory

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burgeoning and growing and you
know, they're trying to cut

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deals with with customers and
customers are not really buying

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as much right now as they were,
which has obviously created a

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sort of perfect storm scenario
for the used equipment industry.

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And so we're seeing a lot of
activity in gear source and

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which is also one of the
sponsors for today's podcast.

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And so anyways, yeah, lot going
on in M and AI think I will be

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one of the early people to
announce some of these deals in

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the next couple of weeks.
And so stay tuned for that.

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Stadium shows continue to
crisscross Europe and North

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America as well.
I am probably going to visit one

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of those stadium shows in the
next few weeks.

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In August I'm up at my house in
Canada and in August Metallica

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is doing Edmonton and Edmonton
is probably about a four hour

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drive from where I am right now.
So it's kind of worth it to get

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up there and visit with Dan
Brown and and Rob Koenig, of

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course, and also to see the
show.

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I've only seen video and
pictures of it.

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It is as far as stadium shows
go.

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I think it's one of the
benchmarks, one of the one of

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the sort of baseline setters,
you know, because they did it

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without any rigging from above,
because it was designed for

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stadiums and these towers that
they've created are pretty

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spectacular.
So I look forward to seeing that

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in person as much as maybe I'm
not super looking forward to

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park at a stadium and walk 13
miles to get to seats that are,

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you know, way too far away to
see anything.

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But I think I'm going to go and
I'll let you know what I think

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and maybe even share some
pictures and thoughts and

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whatever.
I'm sure it'll be great, though.

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The Olympics start tomorrow as I
record this.

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I'm recording this Thursday, the
25th of July.

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And I believe the opening
ceremony is tomorrow in Paris.

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And you've seen some of the bad
guys acting up already and

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saying that, you know, the West
will pay and the infidels will

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pay in all of this.
I, for one, and I'm sure the

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rest of the world is with me on
this one, I'm hoping for a very

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safe and secure Olympic Games.
I hope none of the athletes or

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spectators or anyone has any
problem related to any kind of

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terrorist activities or
violence.

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And at least that's what I hope.
And I also hope for some pretty

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exciting Olympics.
You know, I think this is

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probably the first, let's call
it normal Olympics.

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You know, we had that one during
COVID that was kind of wonky and

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then we had one cancelled.
And so this is the first normal

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one.
And I'm looking forward to, I'm

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sure Paris is going to do a
great job.

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They're going to put on a great
show.

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And, you know, I know a lot of
lighting people and sound people

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and, and technical and
production people involved.

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I think it's going to be
spectacular.

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So I'm looking forward to seeing
some of it.

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Admittedly, I'm not a Summer
Olympics fan.

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I'm a Winter Olympics fan.
I like remarkably.

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I like, you know, skiing and
hockey and even some of that

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border cross stuff.
If you haven't seen border

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cross, it's kind of like NASCAR
on on snowboards.

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I mean, it's nutty.
It's pretty fun to watch and a

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pretty fun race.
But yeah, Summer Games doesn't

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do much for me.
I will watch it just because.

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But yeah, just a lot of sports
that I don't necessarily pay

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much attention to.
What else do I have?

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So AI, one of the interesting
things that I just read, which

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is funny because I've recently
done a podcast with some folks

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related to OverDrive Energy
Solutions.

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One of the founders of course,
and we talked a lot about how

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battery technology is replacing
gas generators or, or fuel based

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generators, I guess.
And you know, that's his

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business.
I'm very bought into that

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philosophy, even though I don't
drive electric cars and think

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that, you know, we need to get
rid of oil anytime soon

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necessarily.
But I think that it's a great

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solution and I think there needs
to be progress as it comes to

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energy solutions.
But The funny thing is, so Elon

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Musk has created this thing
called the Memphis Supercluster,

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which is basically a huge data
Center for AI with a, a power

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requirement that I believe, if I
remember correctly, is 7070

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megawatts of power needed to run
these, you know, this, this AI

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data center.
And the interesting part though,

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is that they're relying on 14
massive natural gas generators

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to produce that power.
They're not using batteries,

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they're not using solar farms.
They're using natural gas

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generators, 14 of them.
And you know, given everything

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we've learned about batteries
and given that Elon owns

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arguably the most successful car
company in the world, which is

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battery operated cars or battery
powered cars in Tesla, you would

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think that he'd be a little more
cutting edge in how to power

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power these data centers.
So it's interesting.

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I'm I'm sure he tried and maybe
it was just logistically

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impossible or something, I don't
know.

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But I found that to be
interesting and, and it sparked

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my curiosity.
So I'm going to actually have to

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reach out to OverDrive and ask
them some questions about that.

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And also just sort of as a fun
thing, I found an AI app for

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creating passport photos online.
So I know like me, all of you

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probably are annoyed when you
have to renew your passport and

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you're like, oh God, I got to go
to a Walmart and pay 20 bucks

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for a photo and get my picture
taken and stuff.

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Well, this app, you basically
tell it what country you're

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getting the document for or the
passport for you put in your

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country.
It knows all the specs for each

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of those countries, takes a
picture and it gives you three.

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I think you get 3 opportunities
for $2.99.

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So it's cheap.
It's very convenient sitting on

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your butt at your kitchen table
with your computer.

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And so that app is called Photo
Packs dot AI, so check that out.

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I thought it was pretty cool.
Excuse me, the cough that will

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never go, by the way, where I
am, I'm next to Banff, Canada

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and in the mountains and there's
a, there's a forest fire going

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on, two of them actually, right
now in a town called Jasper.

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And some of you probably know
where that is.

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Many of you might have even been
there.

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Jasper's a beautiful town.
I've been there 100 times from

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when I was a kid until most
recently a couple of years ago,

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I guess.
And there's a beautiful hotel

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there that's part of, I think
it's part of CP Hotels, Canadian

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Pacific Hotels, which is called
the Jasper Park Lodge.

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And I think I actually just
spoke about the Jasper Park

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Lodge about a week ago.
But the town is basically, there

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were fires that were on the just
on the outskirts of town.

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And less than a week ago, they
started to evacuate people.

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And then all of a sudden the
fires in the town.

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So it's burning people's houses
to the ground, it's burning

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hotels.
I saw a gas station blow up, a

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Petro Canada gas station blew
up.

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So this is about a 2 1/2 hour
drive from my house and it the

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smoke here is just unbelievable.
Like for the past couple of days

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we've pretty much had to keep
all windows, all doors,

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everything completely closed.
And I mean, otherwise you're

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just coughing all the time and
it's burning your eyes and

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stuff.
The smoke is horrible and it's

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so sad.
I mean I'm seeing so many posts

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online of folks who've lost
their houses.

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I saw a post online from Jasper
Park Lodge who has said the fire

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has gotten to our to the Jasper
Park Lodge.

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We're not sure yet of the the
depth of the damage or how bad

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we've been destroyed or
whatever, but we do know that it

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has gotten to us.
So, yeah, I mean, over the next

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few days, hopefully they get
this fire completely or these

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two fires completely under
control.

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And, and, you know, hopefully
more people than not will still

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have their houses and their
belongings and everything else.

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I know the officials did a good
job getting people out of there.

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But you know, everyone, people
are going to lose houses that

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they grew up in and stuff.
And it's just sad.

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It's terrible.
And I have opinions about why

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and how it happened and what can
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happening more in the future.
But I know it'll be an unpopular

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opinion so I probably won't talk
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And so anyways, today again, as
I always say, I am looking

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forward to this one.
But I really am.

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Production and lighting designer
Brian Hartley has designed for a

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lot of rock'n'roll and metal
bands in his long and storied

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career.
Many people know Brian as the

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past LD for KISS, Megadeth,
Aerosmith, Mötley Crüe and many

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other names, but he's probably
best known, at least recently

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for his long time design work
for the trans-siberian

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orchestra, or TSO, for which
he's won Parnelli Awards for

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Best Lighting Design as well.
This year will be his 25 year

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anniversary with TSO and Brian's
also worked multiple times.

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I've already mentioned thrash
metal band Megadeth over the

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past 35 years.
Brian just got back from Europe

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touring with Five Finger Death
Punch.

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I'm sure that's on everyone's
playlist right now, so we are

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extremely pleased.
Brian has time to chat with me

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today on Geese of Gear and
please join me and welcome Brian

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Hartley to the podcast.
Brian, how are you?

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I'm good yourself.
Fan flip.

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Fantastic.
We finally figured out what time

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we were going to do this.
Yeah, cuz when I did this, I was

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in Hungary, I think I was in
Budapest or something.

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So when I clicked on a link it
it took, it took my current GPS

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or whatever and it was trying to
decide a time within that, even

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though it wasn't going to be in
Hungary anymore.

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Yeah, it does get confusing.
It gets confusing when you're

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all over the place.
I just I set every device I have

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to just automatically change
time wherever I am because

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otherwise I just trying to
manage it.

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You're constantly lost.
Yeah, that's true.

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But sometimes when you leave it
there and then it doesn't change

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then you know, there's that.
So.

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Well, especially when you're on
tour, you know, and you've got

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call times and buses leaving at
this time and pick up is at this

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time like you obviously have to
be paying attention.

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Yeah.
And sometimes even with some of

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these people, you know, you're
travelling through Europe and

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sometimes people don't realize
that it changes the time zone in

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there, you know, like Helsinki
or whatever it is, you know,

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changes from normal Europe.
So there is a little bit of

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change and they're going from
country to country sometimes so.

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A lot of.
People don't even know it or

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post it.
I was, I was on the bus the

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other day.
I was like, you know, it's a

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different time there.
He's like, no, it didn't change.

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I'm going OK.
And then finally about, you

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know, a couple hours it was, oh,
it changed.

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You just got to look at your
phone, keep your phone all the

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time because you know, most of
these phones now are pretty good

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at figuring out where you're at
and what time it is.

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Yeah.
So first, I I appreciate you

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doing this.
I appreciate you taking the

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time.
I know you've been busy as hell

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and you got how how much time?
What's your down time right now?

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Right now we just got back from
with Five Finger Death Punch in

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Europe.
We did like two months over

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there and then we got like a
total of about 10 days.

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I actually leave in two days to
go back out.

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We start AUS run with five
finger and we got Marilyn Manson

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opening up.
And so that's going to be very

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cool.
And and then I do that for two

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months about until the end of
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And then I think there's another
show or two with with five

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finger with Metallica.
And then after that they're

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done.
And then I'll move right over to

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TSO and I'll be in TSO within a
month of at the end of this, you

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know, So yeah, yeah, it is.
It is.

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You know when you've been
through 2020, though, Busy is

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good, you know.
You know what?

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Yeah.
And you know, it's what I do

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too, is.
Yeah.

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So I I do enjoy it and that's
why I'm doing this, you know?

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You've been doing it for a
while.

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Yeah, yeah.
And then TSO comes up every

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every year so quick, you know
what I mean?

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So it's just, it's just a busy
year because I'll pit, I'll have

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another band that I worked with.
It was so fighting and Death

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Punch or you know, Megadeth or
whoever, Judas Freeze or

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whatever.
And I'll use the word for band

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during the year and then do my
TSO at the end of the year.

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That's very cool that that fills
up the time when you're usually

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not going to be doing anything
anyway, right?

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It does.
It does.

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I mean, some bands, you know,
like don't really like that.

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Like I, I did work for Lenny
Kravitz, right?

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And it was great.
He's a great guy and all that

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stuff.
But you know, I had to do my TSO

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stuff and he wants his guys for
he wants to put him on salary

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and he wants to have them.
They're available to him, which

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is awesome.
You know what I mean?

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I just couldn't give up TSO for
that, you know what I mean?

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And, and God, that was already,
that was 16 years ago when I did

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that.
So, so yeah.

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So it's a it's a little have to
balance that out, you know.

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So that worked for a couple
other bands that when it comes

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up and they don't, you know,
they don't want me to leave, but

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I had to leave and then they
take it personally, so.

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The five finger death punch
thing in Europe is that was

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mostly festivals or.
It was about 3 is about 1/3 of

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everything is about 1/3 of
festivals and it was about 1/3

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our own headlining shows.
So we got to do our own

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headlining shows and arenas and
stuff like that.

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And then and then after that we
would do Metallica shows.

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So we had kind of like three
different kind of versions of

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shows that we do throughout
Europe.

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And yeah, that was great.
So is metal.

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I think I know the answer, but
metal is is more popular in

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Europe still.
It's amazing just the amount of

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festivals that are in Europe.
I mean, in Europe they just got,

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you know, got it tons of more,
way more in the US, right.

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Yeah.
And they're just so every

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country and they're massive and
they're two stages.

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I mean like grass pop.
Sweet and rock, you know,

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Hellfest, you know, all those
things.

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And I, I think I've been to most
all those big festivals every

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year for the past four years.
Yeah, You know, with different

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bands and everything.
Yeah.

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And Pantera did over there.
So, you know, they're very

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standard, but they're big and
they're.

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And they don't do them like that
in the US here.

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So sunny.
Sunny.

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Doesn't do Pantera, huh?
Yeah, Sonny.

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Does Pantera and what it what we
did on Pantera, I helped Sonny

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design the rig, right?
And then I programmed for him.

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Good.
I got him on the MA2 lights,

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right?
And he loved that.

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So I got him on that.
And then they were going to

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Europe.
Then he really needed a guy to

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help.
And so I was going to like, OK,

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he goes, well, can you come over
there?

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It's not really what I do, you
know, I said, but you know what,

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Sonny's a dear friend of mine.
Yeah, right.

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So I was going like, OK, I'll do
that.

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He paid me good money.
I went over there and I was his

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front of house guy and and I
would do all that because when

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you go to Europe like this with
the console, you know, you have

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to clone everything and you have
to, you know, do that whole

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exercise, you know, different
strobes every day.

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That's always just a irritating
thing to have to do whatever.

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But but we did it.
And you know what?

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Me and Sonny, we have last.
And then we came back to the

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States and we came back to the
States.

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I was with Lamb of God and it
was Lamb of God in Pantera.

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We did.
We did a tour together.

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So, Lamb of God.
Freaking.

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Heavy band and like, I've never
been into that genre of music.

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Like I like metal, I love Judas
Priest, I like all the 80s metal

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and stuff, and I like some of
the newer heavy bands, but like

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I like Pantera.
Not that they're new anymore.

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They're old though.
But but.

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Lamb of God, like I went to what
was the tour called?

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It was Megadeth and Dream
Theater.

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This was like 10 years ago or
something and Lamb of God was

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one of the IT was called
Gigantor.

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Right, Gigantor, Yes.
And Lamb of God was one of the

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bands and I remember just like,
what am I seeing and hearing

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right now?
Holy shit.

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Yeah, you know, it is different.
And even for me because I'm, I'm

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the same thing.
I grew up Judas Priest,

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Aerosmith, Iron Maiden, Yeah,
all that stuff, right.

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And to hear Lamb of God, God, I
feel like then with God's a

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little bit behind me, so to
speak, about 10 years or so, all

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those guys.
And but you know, it is hard and

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heavy and it took me a minute to
get my head around it all.

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And just really, because,
because I did Slayer 20 years

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ago, whatever it was in
20/20/2002 and I did that and

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even, and that one was another
one because I wasn't a huge

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Slayer, you know, listen to a
huge amount of all the stuff.

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But I, I had to get my head
around all the music because I

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had to know just as good as they
did, you know what I mean?

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And then when you do that, I
feel like, you know, even with

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Slayer, it's like, Oh yeah, OK,
no, this stuff's awesome.

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You know, even with Lamb of God,
you know, you, you know, it's

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heavy and all that stuff.
And then at the end of the day

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you're going like, you know
what, this is pretty fucking

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awesome.
It is.

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And they're very complicated to
a Lamb of God.

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They're like, they'll have like
a couple of tip on changes in

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the song.
So one song's like 5 songs.

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You know what I mean?
You have to to do that kind of

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music.
You just have to know it.

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Yeah, that's true now.
So I have a really good friend

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named Randy Black who's a
drummer and I grew up in, in

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Western Canada and in the 80s
and early 90s he played in a

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band called Click that was a
Rush tribute band that were

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very, very popular in all the
big clubs in, in Canada and, and

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they were good and very
technical.

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And he's a very technical
drummer.

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Well, he plays in destruction
out of out of Germany.

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And you know, they do all these
big metal tours and, and metal

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festivals and stuff.
And I mean, I watch videos of

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him and I, I talk to him all the
time.

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I'm like, how do you go from
like this?

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Like Neil Pert to to this stuff
where it's just like, it's every

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song is a workout.
Like he's going so fast.

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It's it's just crazy.
And he loves it.

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He loves.
It yeah.

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And, and sometimes even though
you maybe not understand the

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music or or whatever, you know,
to do all that stuff is an

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amazing task already.
You know what I mean it.

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May not be your cup of tea, you
know, I may.

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I may prefer an Aerosmith song
over, you know, a hardcore

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Slayer song, so to speak.
But to do that Slayer stuff,

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those guys have the they're,
they're all over it you.

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Know well even that like that
singing technique, whatever

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that's called, like to me it's
noise, but it's not that easy to

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do.
And the people who do it well,

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you know, it's like, OK, I get
it.

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I mean, I don't like it, but I
get it.

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That's true.
That's true.

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Well.
That's crazy, but it's

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interesting.
I mean, you you've been sort of

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typecast with that genre, right?
Or with metal in general.

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Well, you know, it's sort of my
time actually.

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I spent a lot of time with
Megadeth, right, in the early

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years, whatever.
And I was with Sabotage, which

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came, which became TSO.
And then, you know, I did

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Megadeth, I did Anthrax, I did
Slayer, you know, and then, you

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00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,000
know, that was my real heavy
bands that I did.

442
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,000
And that was more like in the
90s and the early 2000s.

443
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,640
And then, you know, I had KISS
and Aerosmith and Mötley Crüe

444
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,600
too as well, which was almost
like another separate genre, you

445
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,240
know?
Yeah, yeah.

446
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,920
We did.
Even with Megadeth, we opened up

447
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,520
for Aerosmith, you know, so and
Mötley Crüe, we opened up for

448
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,400
Aerosmith too as well, so.
Interesting you.

449
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,920
Said so many connections with
all these bands and.

450
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,640
You said sabotage became.
Sabotage.

451
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,200
Yeah.
They were a heavy metal band.

452
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,080
So the very first, well, not the
first tour that I did, but one

453
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,840
of the very first kind of metal
thing that we did, or that

454
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,440
because I was working with Joan
Jett.

455
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,440
And then after Joan Jett in our
office was this guy named Paul

456
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,040
O'Neill, who was who's the guy
who created TSO, right.

457
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,040
But he, he produced this band
called Sabotage, right?

458
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,840
And they were from Florida.
And so he asked me if I'd do the

459
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600
lights for Sabotage.
And this is 87.

460
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,520
Yeah.
So I did the lights for

461
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Sabotage, and we did this.
Victoria was Sabotage, Megadeth

462
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:34,320
and DIO, right?
And that was 1987 into 1988.

463
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,320
And it was a very iconic tour
for everybody.

464
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Just because I ended up working
with Megadeth, you know,

465
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Sabotage became TSO and.
What do you mean it became TSO

466
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,840
like?
OK, so like I said, that guy

467
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Paul O'Neill, right?
He was the producer with

468
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,080
Sabotage, right?
Yeah.

469
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,760
So he he got he discovered he
found this band Sabotage he

470
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,480
likes.
So he started producing the

471
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,960
records for him, right?
And manage him right something.

472
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,120
And and then so he did a couple
of records and then after that,

473
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:12,080
one of the records had this song
called 12/24 Sarajevo, right?

474
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,440
So it was a sabotage song, but
it had a little bit of Christmas

475
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,760
thing at the in the middle of
like Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding,

476
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,520
Ding, right, the Carol, the
bells thing, right?

477
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,800
And all of a sudden the radio
stations and everything picked

478
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,280
up on it, right?
And, and I almost feel like

479
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,000
nobody really wanted to say it
was sabotage, but for some

480
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,360
reason this thing was taken off
like crazy because a little bit

481
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,560
of Christmas thing in there.
So these guys decided to do a

482
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,360
whole album around it, right?
So they did an album around that

483
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,800
song, which was.
And then they started going

484
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,080
classic Christmas songs,
metalized, kind of like with

485
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
metal, was the same.
Band it was this metal band it.

486
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,360
Wasn't quite the same band.
It was.

487
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,920
It was the same band, yes, the
same singer, you know, the

488
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,800
guitar player actually, and the
drummer.

489
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,440
So yeah, it was actually all
those guys involved and they,

490
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,040
and it was really the producer,
Paul O'Neill, you know, Paul

491
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,920
O'Neill came up with the whole
idea.

492
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,480
John Oliva, the singer for a
Sabotage, a brilliant songwriter

493
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,280
and everything.
So he wrote a lot of that stuff

494
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,320
with Paul, you know, Paul Rose
stuff and whatever.

495
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,400
And then they, they did, they
did three albums, right?

496
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,640
Three Christmas records, 2
Christmas records and and a

497
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,040
regular record before they even
toured it all.

498
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,520
So this music was already.
There.

499
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,960
As Tran as the Trans-siberian
Orchestra right And it was all

500
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,320
Christmas based.
So they decided to try to see

501
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320
what it would do on the road
right?

502
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,720
So they did, they did a tour of
like 5 shows, right?

503
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,160
Just five shows, no production,
nothing like that.

504
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,120
And and I wasn't even there
right for the first five shows.

505
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,920
And Paul O'Neill, the guy that
I'm Speaking of right, he

506
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,920
actually did the lights because
he was a nut case for

507
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080
production.
And you know later on we would

508
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,840
get to a place and I'd have all
these like squid prime fairness.

509
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,200
That's fucking God, just double
that, let's double that.

510
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,240
And it's his money.
So he just fucking threw the

511
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,560
money in there.
Sabotage becoming TSO and, and,

512
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,440
and like I said, once we started
that one year and they saw it

513
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,120
was a, a, a decent thing or
whatever, we just went year

514
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,360
after year after year and just
kept building the show a little

515
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440
bit bigger and bigger and bigger
every year.

516
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:42,840
And here we are 26 years later
and it's amazing, 26 years and

517
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,200
every year, well, it's a
completely different design, new

518
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,840
show every year.
Yeah, yeah.

519
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,240
I mean, and I've seen it a
couple times and it really is a

520
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,440
spectacular show.
And I wanna, well, actually,

521
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,240
we'll go into it.
You know, normally I like to

522
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,320
kind of go in a chronological
thing and start at the beginning

523
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,000
of your career and talk about
how you got started and stuff.

524
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,560
But let's just dive into this
DSO stuff cuz it's a big deal.

525
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Yeah, yeah.
And well, first I got a couple

526
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,960
questions.
One didn't.

527
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,680
Was there a singer?
Dino Jalusik?

528
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Was he with TSO for a while?
He was, he was recently been

529
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,040
there for about maybe five years
or six years I think he didn't

530
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,320
do last.
Year one of my favorite rock

531
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,280
singers.
Amazing they, you know, and, and

532
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,480
sometimes it depends on the song
that they have them sing or

533
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,160
whatever, right?
To really show his talent,

534
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,880
because he had once one year he
was singing like an acoustic

535
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,280
song and man, he sounded, I
mean, just like Chris Cornell,

536
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,880
right?
It was amazing.

537
00:30:53,880 --> 00:31:00,040
It was, it was, it was really a
true, true just experience.

538
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Such a powerful voice.
Have you ever seen the cover?

539
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,520
Of Have you ever seen the cover
of Jefferson Starship that he

540
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,120
did with with Mike Portnoy?
And what's the guitar player's

541
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,800
name?
Dean.

542
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Was it Joel Hoekstra?
Yeah.

543
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,360
Or Joel.
Joel Holstra.

544
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jane, the song Jane.

545
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,600
I mean, the way he sings that
song, it's just like, you know,

546
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,880
he's got so much power.
And then I was with Judas Priest

547
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,400
a couple years ago and we had
this band, The Dead Daisies.

548
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,760
They were opening up and then I
think Glenn Hughes had to leave

549
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,080
or something.
And then Dino came in.

550
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,400
So Dino came in and he sang with
them for about, I don't know,

551
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,480
for last week or so of the tour
and everything.

552
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,040
So that was pretty cool.
So I got.

553
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,200
Glenn Hughes ain't an easy guy
to replace either.

554
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400
Exactly, you know, and, and they
were, they were badass.

555
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,720
That guy blows me away.
By the way, Glenn, he was talk

556
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,480
about a guy who in his 70s is
still belting it out, you know?

557
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Oh, yes.
And yeah.

558
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,320
He's still got a great voice.
I mean, that was we all noticed

559
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520
that too, when these other
singers like, man, this guy

560
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,640
just, you know, he's still got
that part of him good.

561
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Because you know, a lot of those
things, you get to that age, you

562
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320
know, they just can't do what
they did before, which is, you

563
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,920
know, just normal.
But I was a singer.

564
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,960
I was a singer.
I was a singer in my teens in a

565
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,280
in a rock band.
And I Can't Sing any of the

566
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160
stuff that I did when I was
younger.

567
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
None of it.
I mean, you know, I have half

568
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,000
the range that I did back then.
But I mean, it's like any other

569
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
muscle.
You gotta, you gotta keep it up.

570
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,160
You gotta exercise.
And I don't.

571
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,440
And Rob?
Halford, he's still you know, I

572
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,280
feel like he's still got sounds
amazing.

573
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,720
He.
Sounds amazing.

574
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:49,840
So yeah, him, him, Steven Tyler,
even Sammy Hagar doesn't sound

575
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,840
bad.
For a guy who's 76 years old.

576
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,840
He's damn good.
Yeah, it impresses me, those

577
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,920
guys, because then you see like
the, what's his name?

578
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Pearcey from Rat, and he Can't
Sing any of the songs, you know,

579
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,640
like there's a bunch of those
guys who just quit.

580
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,840
Please.
Vince Neil.

581
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Yeah, and I don't know, you
don't.

582
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Want to talk about him because
you've worked for him but.

583
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,720
I've worked for them, but yeah,
it's kind of sad, you know?

584
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,480
You know, do these guys not care
or they just can't do it?

585
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040
You know, I don't know.
Some of them seem like they just

586
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440
can't do it.
Money is an alluring drug.

587
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,800
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's true money, I guess they

588
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,480
don't even mind embarrassing
themselves or whatever.

589
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,040
They and they don't care, you
know?

590
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.

591
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,120
You know, Joe Elliott is another
one that, I mean, his songs

592
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240
weren't that hard to sing for
the most part.

593
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,480
But he since he stopped doing
drugs and doing all the bad

594
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,680
stuff and getting sleep at night
and all that stuff, he seems to

595
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,560
be as good now as he was 50
years, 40 years ago, you know?

596
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960
You know who's another one like
that?

597
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Another guy I worked for.
He was like that when I worked

598
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,800
for him.
This is probably good at 6-7

599
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:12,800
years ago already and he was 70
years old and he did every song

600
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,840
he sounded just like he did on
and his name was Boz Scaggs.

601
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,199
You know who he is, of course.
And he, he was just, he was.

602
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,280
I did a tour.
It was, I did Michael McDonald

603
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,320
and Boz Gags right.
Yeah, I saw that.

604
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,679
One of my employees was a huge
Boz Gags fan and I think I

605
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,679
bought him tickets for something
or whatever and I went with him.

606
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,120
And he's amazing.
Both of those guys were amazing

607
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,960
and they were so nice and
everything and just such iconic

608
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,120
people too as well, you know,
with, with all those songs and

609
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,040
everything they written.
And like I said, Boz Gag, he

610
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,440
sounded perfect.
You know, he really did.

611
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,840
He never lost anything.
Mind you, the range that he sang

612
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,040
in was a very low range or
whatever, Right.

613
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,560
But but it's amazing.
Yeah.

614
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,720
So so does like the other ones
feel to this day.

615
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,240
Well, for like the new album, he
could have gone out and created

616
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,440
songs in this range, you know,
that's.

617
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,720
True.
Like a like a 70, like a 70 year

618
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,120
old guy should do you know, but
he they're all the new songs are

619
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,120
in really high register stuff
and and he sounds amazing like

620
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,080
that new album blew my mind when
it came out.

621
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,320
I was like, you got to be
kidding.

622
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,480
This is so good.
But.

623
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,960
I love Priests.
They were, they were amazing.

624
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,720
I'm a great band.
Great band.

625
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,640
I grew up listening to him too
as well so.

626
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,240
Oh, me too.
Yeah, me too.

627
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,400
So back to TSO.
So they created the band

628
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,680
basically because of this small
part of a song from Sabotage

629
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,560
that had some bells and it
sounded a little Christmassy and

630
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,760
here what is it 30 years later
or 25 years later or something?

631
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,200
From that probably from that
time, yes, probably 30 years,

632
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,080
you know, we've been doing for
26, you know what I mean, so.

633
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,240
And it's crazy.
Do you think that TSO, you know,

634
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,200
they've had so many great
musicians.

635
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,400
I think Joel Holstra too, right?
He's still there.

636
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Yeah, he's still.
Yeah, they've had so many great

637
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,080
musicians through that, but is
that just a brand now?

638
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Like a brand, not a band.
Well.

639
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Sort of like Blue Man Group or
something.

640
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,080
No, yes and no, right.
In all reality, yes.

641
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,640
You know, Paul really wanted to
be, he wanted the show to be

642
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,560
this arm, which is really what I
do.

643
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,000
You're right.
And that that's that's that's

644
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,640
awesome.
But I think over the years, you

645
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,640
know, you guys got, you have
guys like Al Petrelli.

646
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,080
You know, he's been there so
long, you know, everybody knows

647
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,160
who he is and he's got a great
following.

648
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,080
And so and the East Coast, you
have Chris Caffer, which is one

649
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,120
another sabotage guy and he's
the MC and you know, it's just

650
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,720
he's been there since the
beginning.

651
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,960
So you know, after all these
years, you know, people kind of

652
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,560
get to know who's in the band
and all that stuff.

653
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,600
So, and they each have their own
following and stuff like that.

654
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,880
But, but you know, it's, it's,
it's a little bit less about the

655
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,560
star performer in a way, then
more is about the the big music

656
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,000
and the show.
Not to say it's close to me or

657
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,720
whatever, but it is the show.
But the musicians are amazing.

658
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,360
And there there's some amazing
musicians we have and some of

659
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,120
we've had for, you know, 20
years.

660
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,920
You know, a lot of the people
though we have or are still

661
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,200
there.
So that's nice.

662
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Yeah, but you know, it's like I
was talking with Doc McGee on

663
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,880
the podcast about KISS maybe
being a band that continues as a

664
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,840
brand, where they just insert
musicians like Menudo or Menuda

665
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Menudo.
Menudo.

666
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,400
Yeah.
And but I see TSO as one of

667
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,000
those like where it can go on
for another 30-40 years.

668
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, we'll just keep.

669
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,280
Inserting new musicians.
You know, kids, I feel like it's

670
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,640
a little different because a lot
of people, you know, the whole

671
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,720
brand has grown up knowing Gene
Simmons and, and Paul Stanley

672
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,720
and, and those characters and
those people.

673
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,520
You know, I think once you put
somebody else in there that's

674
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,560
not them, you know, you probably
can continue on a bit.

675
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120
I think you have to build it
with the younger generation

676
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,800
because all the people that are
kids fans are all much older.

677
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,480
So you have to kind of hit a
different demographic and and

678
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,600
hopefully something clicks, but
nothing's going to replace what

679
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,880
really originally happened with
Kiss when I was a kid and I was

680
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,760
growing up and they were out
there and we were all going

681
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,440
like, wow, what is this?
Look at the album cover, you

682
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,440
know, does that happen anymore?
No, you know, I, I don't think

683
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,080
bands people.
Taylor Swift.

684
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,320
Like that Taylor Swift, that's
another phenomenon.

685
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680
That's that's amazing, you know?
Yeah, I wish I was working for

686
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Taylor Swift, to be honest with
you.

687
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,040
That's an amazing gig, you know?
But those are once or twice in a

688
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,200
generation kind of sure.
You know, that's like a Michael

689
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,480
Jackson's, you know?
Yeah, exactly.

690
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,560
Or Taylor's kiss, you know, Or
kiss Taylor.

691
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,640
'S kiss, yeah.
But I was, you know, again, I

692
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,960
was with KISS for 15 years.
Yeah, yeah.

693
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:24,800
So what years were those?
That was about 93 to about 2008

694
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,760
or so.
It was so 90.

695
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,040
Three, they didn't have the
makeup on or.

696
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,440
They, no, when I first started
with them, they did not have

697
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,360
makeup on.
And it was kind of, it was just

698
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:44,000
after the revenge record, right.
And, yeah, you know, it was all

699
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,320
right.
You know, back then when they

700
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,880
didn't have, I had more like
lunches and dinners with Jean

701
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,560
and Paul than I ever did, you
know, because I think, you know,

702
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,880
it was, everything was taken
down a little bit.

703
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,840
But, you know, once they put the
makeup back on and we did that

704
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000
reunion tour, it was just
amazing.

705
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,600
It was all the four original
guys.

706
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
And to be honest with you, I was
LD and and and and.

707
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,720
Doc McGee wasn't involved right
before when they didn't have the

708
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,360
makeup on.
And then when he came on for

709
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,960
that reunion tour, to be honest
with you, I was a little

710
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,640
nervous.
I figured, oh, he's going to put

711
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,760
like, you know, I don't know,
Ali Ulma or, you know, David

712
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,200
David or whatever 'cause he
worked.

713
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Doc McGee had the Bon Jovi and
Scorpions, all that stuff.

714
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,000
So I, I was thinking, oh God,
probably get rid of me now.

715
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,880
But no, he didn't.
And, and I got to stay for all

716
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,200
those other years.
So that was, that was pretty

717
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:38,840
cool.
So.

718
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that
was probably a fun run,

719
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,880
especially again because you
started sort of in there more

720
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,840
humble years and and you wrote
it into like I remember the

721
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,520
reunion tour.
That was a big deal, Yeah.

722
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,160
And it sold really well and it
was a big show we.

723
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,880
Did 13 months straight or
something like that and just

724
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,880
broke all kinds of records.
Did that first show in Detroit,

725
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,440
Tiger Stadium, you know, sold
out like 40 minutes or whatever

726
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,480
it was.
And we did some rehearsals there

727
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,640
and then we did the first show.
It was, it was great.

728
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,160
It was good so.
Fun man that had to take it

729
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,640
right back to like 13 years old
or something.

730
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,440
Well, yeah.
And plus, you know, I mean, I

731
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,360
grew up listening to KISS, you
know what I mean?

732
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,040
Me too.
Yeah.

733
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,040
You know, it's amazing to work
with bands like, you know, KISS,

734
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,480
Mötley Crüe, Aerosmith, you
know, just those kind of bands

735
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,600
that I grew up listening to and,
and now to be able to work with

736
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,240
them and work with them is
awesome.

737
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,480
You know, again, like to me, I
grew up in a similar time.

738
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,240
I'm probably a little bit older
than you, but I don't think

739
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,840
much.
But how old are you?

740
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,320
I'm 60, I just turned 60.
Oh, I'm actually older than you.

741
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Yeah, you are.
Yeah.

742
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Way better hair than I do.
I'm 60, I'm 61.

743
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,920
You know what?
And I do have pretty damn good

744
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,000
hair.
You got pretty damn, you got one

745
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,160
of the best 60 year old hairdos
that I think I ever saw.

746
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Good for you, man.
Yeah, well, now you've now

747
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,520
you've set a goal for me.
You've set a pretty high bar.

748
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:19,360
I got to go fix my fucking hair.
But you know, so I grew up with

749
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,640
a lot of these bands.
You know, Foreigner now is a

750
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,960
cover band.
I grew up with Foreigner Kiss.

751
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920
God knows if they're going to do
anything, I believe that

752
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,840
somebody is going to turn KISS
into, you know, a TSO kind of

753
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:39,400
thing or a, a menudo.
But for me, TSO, like if you

754
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,200
asked me who any of the members
of TSO are, I would be telling

755
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,040
you temporary people who I know
I've seen in the band, like

756
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,400
sure, like Joel and like, you
know, whoever, right?

757
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:58,360
And so I feel like that's a band
that is going to go on for 2530

758
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,640
years without a problem and not
miss a step.

759
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,000
Sure.
And you know, like you said,

760
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,160
there are some key guys who came
from Sabotage or whatever, but

761
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,280
oh, didn't somebody just die?
Keyboard player right Vitali.

762
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:16,320
Yeah, Vitali, Vitali Capri, he
did he was a he was a Ukrainian

763
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,160
guy and he was an amazing guy,
yes.

764
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,680
And it was a terrible loss for
us all.

765
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,920
He was he was just a very
amazing character.

766
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Yeah, what I mean, his Ukrainian
and you know, he he spoke with

767
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,280
this accent and he was an
amazing piano player and and do

768
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,560
he could do just amazing stuff.
And so, yeah, that was a very

769
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,320
tragic loss for us all.
We loved him to death, yes.

770
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,960
Yeah, yeah.
That's too bad.

771
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,680
That was just recently, right?
Was that this?

772
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Year yes it was I believe you
had a heart attack or.

773
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,880
Something like that.
So yeah.

774
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,360
That's well.
But he lived good, man.

775
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:57,200
He lived good and he was an
awesome, amazing keyboard

776
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,320
player.
Yeah.

777
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,560
So I was, you actually provided
an equipment list from the 2023,

778
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,360
last year's winter tour, OK.
And or we got it somewhere, I

779
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,440
don't know, maybe she got it off
your website or something.

780
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,880
You know what it may.
You know what?

781
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,120
It may have been the thing I did
for live design or something

782
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,680
last.
Year, yeah.

783
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,960
It was the 12 plots of
Christmas, right?

784
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,560
I think the one that we're
looking at is Ghosts of

785
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Christmas Eve.
OK, OK.

786
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,960
So what's the difference?
Oh, you know the difference.

787
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,040
It was not, not much of a
difference.

788
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,520
It was.
It was Ellen Lambert over there.

789
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,080
She did a.
Thing called 12 I remember.

790
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,240
Seeing.
That and, and, and it was coming

791
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,760
up to the first one and I was
going like, hey, next year I

792
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,600
want to be involved with this,
you know, and then she goes, you

793
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,560
know what she goes, can we put
you in the number one spot?

794
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,280
This.
Year right this year and I was

795
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,560
going like, that'd be so nice.
That's because it just fit us

796
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,680
perfectly.
Well, considering we're like the

797
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,640
number one Christmas Fang there
is, you know.

798
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,920
Dude, it was fun to do too.
Like, are the guys ever annoyed

799
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,920
that, you know, they've become
synonymous with Christmas?

800
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,320
You know, it's, it's like Mariah
Carey with that song.

801
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,560
You know, like it probably every
Christmas it's just like, oh, I

802
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,240
got to sing that friggin song.
You know, you know, I think yes,

803
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:27,000
in a way, but I think the show,
just the enormity of the show

804
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,400
and just the, the, the
atmosphere and everything.

805
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,480
And yes, it is the same music,
you know, and it is, yeah.

806
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,200
And the fans are amazing.
You know, they've got so many

807
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,360
fans and, and like, and like
with the show, I get to come up

808
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,680
with all these crazy things.
Like like last year I, I came up

809
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,120
with a snow globe, right?
And I put a girl inside of it

810
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,840
singing a song, you know, And
this thing goes up and rotates

811
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,480
and just.
Confetti blowing around in it

812
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,240
and stuff too.
No, we didn't.

813
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,640
We didn't actually have anything
inside blowing it.

814
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,560
I just just a little texture
around.

815
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,200
That's a bullshit snow globe
then.

816
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,480
Yeah, Yeah.
Come on bro, that's true.

817
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,040
But it was amazing.
It was.

818
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,200
And I had these big giant
nutcrackers that were 23 foot

819
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,320
tall.
And they were.

820
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,520
What were those?
Inflatables?

821
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,200
Inflatables.
Oh cool.

822
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,400
The snow globe was inflatable
too as well.

823
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,280
Very cool.
So that's the kind of stuff I

824
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,160
really enjoy is the inflatables,
because you can, you can come up

825
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,520
with some crazy stuff that's so
unique to whatever the project

826
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,200
is, whatever band it is, and you
can make it and goes down to the

827
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,880
small little box, you know what
I mean?

828
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,720
Doesn't take up any space, you
know, it looks so real, you

829
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,560
know?
Yeah.

830
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,880
So those nutcrackers, they look
so they look like they were

831
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,960
real.
Imagine that.

832
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,320
Very cool.
And it's all arenas, right?

833
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,680
There's nothing outdoors.
You don't do any stadium stuff

834
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,000
or anything.
We do a perfect, we do like a

835
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,640
perfect schedule on a way, but
you know what we do?

836
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,280
We do the same cities every
single year, OK, So we're going

837
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,120
to Dayton, OH for two days, You
know, Pittsburgh for two days,

838
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,600
you know, Philadelphia for two
days.

839
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,480
Oh, it's two nights everywhere.
Columbus No, no, no, not two

840
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,840
days, Two shows.
Yeah, and then, didn't mean to

841
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,240
say days, but there's two shows
in all those places.

842
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,000
One day, though.
One day there's two shows.

843
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,640
So we do a we do a three o'clock
show and a 8:00 show.

844
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,360
Oh wow.
Yes.

845
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,840
And we so, so just to give you a
little, little idea of how we do

846
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,600
this.
So we and just so, yeah, you

847
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,280
know there's two of them, right?
Yeah, yeah, there's the East

848
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,200
Coast.
West Coast, right?

849
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,800
So just a little quick thing
here.

850
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Wednesday night we do one show,
right?

851
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,240
Yeah, On Thursday night we do
one show, OK Friday we do two

852
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,240
shows, right?
Saturday we do two shows, and

853
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,160
Sunday we do two shows.
OK, so that's eight shows from

854
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,120
Wednesday to Saturday, right?
Yeah, eight shows with the other

855
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,720
band.
That's sixteen shows, 16 shows

856
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,400
in a five day period and they
all sell out.

857
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,280
They're all like 14, anywhere
between 14 and 15,000 people at

858
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,520
each one shows.
So the enormity of it, I mean

859
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,240
the Stones, when they come to
like Cleveland or whatever, you

860
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:24,360
know, we will do, we'll do four
shows there in Cleveland and you

861
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,920
know, that's 1234 and that's
more than Stone Cell and all the

862
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,600
Cleveland.
I know it's not a really kind of

863
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:37,640
perfect comparison, but we do.
And also every year for maybe

864
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,960
the past 15 years, right?
Every year we're in the top ten

865
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:47,480
ticket sellers of everybody, you
know.

866
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,280
Somebody's got to be tempted to
do full on residencies, you

867
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,320
know, like you could have eight
shows in residencies in

868
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,480
different parts of the country
and just move those around.

869
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,880
And they, they, they've kind of
thought about it, but I don't

870
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,400
know if just that I don't know
if that's the right formula.

871
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,880
You know what I mean?
I don't.

872
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,720
This seems to be working.
Because the way they do it now

873
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:11,320
is just really all, I mean, like
I said, Ohio, you know, just

874
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:18,240
Ohio is Dayton, Columbus,
Cleveland, you know, Toledo and,

875
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560
you know, that's just five
cities right there.

876
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,960
And there's another five cities
in Pennsylvania.

877
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,080
So it's kind of a a unique
market.

878
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,800
You know, they've tried to come
to Vegas and they really don't

879
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,240
say anything in Vegas.
Yeah.

880
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,720
Nobody's interested.
So do you go out and direct one

881
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,600
of them and somebody else
directs the other?

882
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,960
Coast I don't sign it as one,
right?

883
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,080
And then I'll program it as one.
So they're just duplicates?

884
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,640
They're exact duplicates.
Exactly.

885
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Duplicates, huh?
Yeah, and the bands play the

886
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,400
exact same songs, you know, and
I'll do a bit of time code on

887
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,360
there so, so I can keep both,
both sides perfectly and the

888
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,280
same thing, you know?
And I have my buddy Michael

889
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Keller.
He does.

890
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,160
You know Michael Keller.
Of course.

891
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,760
OK, so Michael does, he does the
West Coast for me.

892
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,960
He's been doing it probably I
think 4 years now.

893
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,920
And, and he's awesome.
He draws all my vector work

894
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,800
stuff and all that stuff.
And he's a, he's a, he's a good,

895
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,440
good buddy of mine and he does a
great job out there.

896
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,320
So, and when we do rehearsals,
right, and we do rehearsals in

897
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,800
Omaha, So what we do is the West
Coast does their first show

898
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,400
there, right?
So they set up in the normal

899
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,120
side of the building, right?
The West, the East Coast we set

900
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,320
up at the other end of the
building.

901
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,440
So you got this arena with the
West Coast here and the East

902
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,360
Coast here.
And they're all just meet in the

903
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,240
middle and we rehearse there for
three weeks, right?

904
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,240
And we have everybody there.
So there's about 250 people

905
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:51,920
there, if not more, with the
both bands, the both crews and

906
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,640
everything.
And we do the build there.

907
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,840
And that those are some things
that, you know, people really

908
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,400
don't see or understand, you
know, except for the people, the

909
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,960
people that are working, you
know, you know, those people.

910
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,000
There's always a little bit of
connection when you know

911
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,280
somebody.
And we've done TSO together, you

912
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,960
know, we're going like, yeah, a
lot of people don't even realize

913
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,160
what we do.
You know, we do rehearsals and

914
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,400
everything is, is it's a big
deal.

915
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,840
It's, it's pretty cool, you
know?

916
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,560
In five days.
The cool part is it's one in and

917
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,840
one out, right?
Yeah, that's five different

918
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,920
cities.
That's not not that's not

919
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,240
multiple.
Cities, right?

920
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,760
So that Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, that's

921
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,240
five different cities.
Yeah, but we're still playing

922
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,280
two shows, two shows, two shows,
Yeah.

923
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,120
And then and then we have
Mondays and Tuesdays off, right.

924
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,840
So they'll give, they give you 2
days off, but then we get right

925
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,760
back at it, get into Monday.
Well, and I.

926
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Guess the the days with two
shows are tough because you got

927
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,880
to get everything in and done
and and focusing.

928
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,280
Interesting enough, yes, you're
right.

929
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,000
So, you know, you would think
that this is just so hardcore

930
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,400
and everything, but you know,
after years of doing it and you

931
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,160
do it or whatever, it gets to a
point where the double show days

932
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,440
or great, you know, the single
show days become like, oh Jesus,

933
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,000
it's just all day long and
you're just sitting around and

934
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,280
waiting to do the song.
You know you, they're almost

935
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,800
like days off in a way when it's
just single show.

936
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,800
What time is sound check on a
double show day like noon?

937
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,200
You know, really, they don't
really do the sound check that

938
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,560
often, you know, so they'll get
really, they're all that good,

939
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,720
you know.
So once they get it, because in

940
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,720
rehearsals, for the last week of
rehearsals, we're doing two

941
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,680
shows a day.
Yeah, in the rehearsal, Right.

942
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,960
So at the end of rehearsal,
you're going like kind of feel

943
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,400
like I just did 20 shows.
Yeah, that's true.

944
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,680
And so when we get out there on
the road, you know, it just,

945
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,640
it's, it's a grind.
It's only a six week grind, you

946
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,040
know, so it's only six week of
touring.

947
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Yeah, but that's a lot of shows
in six.

948
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,320
Weeks of shows.
Man, more than most will do in a

949
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,960
whole tour.
Yeah, and when you get down to

950
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,840
that last single show day, you
know the guy, our guy, Chris, I

951
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,040
usually say because, well, this
is our last day off because

952
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,280
these single shows are light
days off after doing so many

953
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,520
double shows, you know what I
mean?

954
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,800
So.
Do you guys have like a crew

955
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Christmas party or something
since it's a Christmas?

956
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,800
Show, well, you know what we do?
Well, they, they provide

957
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,280
Thanksgiving for us, right?
So we'll have a day off for

958
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,680
Thanksgiving and they'll provide
a whole, you know, dinner for us

959
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,640
and stuff like that.
And the same with Christmas and

960
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,280
Christmas, you know, we do
dinners right for Christmas.

961
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,960
You know, our guy, our guy
Elliot Saltzman, I don't know if

962
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,960
you ever know that name or
whatever.

963
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,920
He's an icon.
He's, he got me my start with

964
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,320
Joan Jett in the early days, but
he's our, he's our main guy with

965
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,120
TSO, our production coordinator,
right.

966
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,800
So he, he, he, he's the guy who
does all this logistic stuff

967
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,680
between both because he's, he's
got to deal with both tours, you

968
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,560
know, because he's dealing with
the vendors and getting the

969
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,240
deals done and all that stuff.
So he's got the, he's got the

970
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,960
biggest job of anybody, you know
what I mean?

971
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,880
So, but he's a, he's a, he's
such a foodie and A food guy.

972
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,600
Our dinners are Christmas thing.
We do it at Carmine's.

973
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,120
I don't know.
I don't know if you know what

974
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,440
Carmine's is.
We've done, we've done Carmine's

975
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,240
for years in New York City as
our dinner.

976
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:29,640
So they just he really does the
the dinners and everything,

977
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,360
right.
He's a food guy too as well.

978
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Full.
That's nice.

979
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,840
That's got to be a fun party.
Yes, it is.

980
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,760
It is.
You know it is.

981
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,280
It is.
But, you know, by the time you

982
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
get to Christmas, you know,
you've already been through this

983
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,360
whole rehearsal and all these
shows and you're kind of going

984
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,760
like, OK, this is cool.
That's, you know, ready to be

985
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,760
done.
Yeah, enough already.

986
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Yeah, I get it.
So what was I going to ask you?

987
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Something so that's another
thing not bad about TSO is like

988
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,840
we have a bit of a turnover raid
on our crew and stuff like that.

989
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,320
Because, you know, a lot of
people have kids, you know, and

990
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,960
when you do, you'll do TSO for
like 2 years, OK, Three years,

991
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,560
OK, that's great.
And they're like, you know, I, I

992
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,200
can't, I can't do it this year.
I just, I, I just can't.

993
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,960
I got my kids.
My wife's going to leave me, you

994
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,240
know, you know, or whatever it
is because I've been going there

995
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,760
for Christmas for the past three
or four Christmases, you know.

996
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,680
So that's hard.
That's usually hard for some

997
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,560
guys.
You know, me, my daughter's

998
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,280
grown.
She don't care about it, seeing

999
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,360
me or whatever.
So it's it's all good.

1000
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,880
Fly out and see wherever that
show.

1001
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,240
Is, you know, yes and my
daughter's an amazing production

1002
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,720
assistant.
She just finished with Bad

1003
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:44,280
Bunny, you know, Carol G, New
Kids on the Block, Pink, you

1004
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,320
know all this shit, you know, so
I know nothing about touring.

1005
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,440
Just so you know, when it comes
to her, she.

1006
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,960
Knows.
Well, yeah, why would she go

1007
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,600
into that business?
What a fluke.

1008
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,880
Freak action is good, I'm very
proud of.

1009
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,480
Her, that's very cool, good for
you.

1010
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,240
So does TSO own gear?
Like do they own any of their

1011
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,280
own stuff or do they just rent
every year?

1012
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,880
We just rent every year.
And what I've done, I went

1013
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,480
ahead, I went, you know, I've
taken a page out of some other

1014
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,000
people's books.
So where I bought some stuff, I

1015
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000
saw them renting this stuff, the
blacks.

1016
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,520
I was like, well, hey, you know
what you're renting for, You

1017
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,680
know you're winning for, you
know, $10 and you know what I'm

1018
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,360
going to buy and I'm going to
rent it to you for $5.

1019
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,720
And then, then I do that.
So I I bought a bunch of stuff.

1020
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,320
So I don't like the the blacks
that go across the the back of

1021
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,200
the arena because we get we do
it at blacks that make it look

1022
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,520
really nice.
That and I own my lighting

1023
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,600
console.
I've owned my lighting consoles

1024
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,680
for years.
You know, that and media

1025
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,280
servers.
I I've got into that.

1026
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,520
That makes sense.
And and you know, that's cool

1027
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,960
along.
I bought stuff that I use, you

1028
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,320
know what I mean?
That I actively like in my

1029
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,080
lighting consoles.
I use that so I can always,

1030
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,960
always get that on the tour
because it's just part of my

1031
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,200
whole thing, so.
Yeah, not quite as much as like

1032
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,360
Eric, you know, with Janet
Jackson and stuff, you know.

1033
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,400
Where no, no, I don't want to
get his stuff crazy.

1034
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,680
I don't want to be a vendor.
You don't want to own moving

1035
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,880
lights.
No, no, nothing like that.

1036
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,520
You know, I have my consoles and
I've gotten eight of them, so I

1037
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,080
do have to rent those out a bit,
you know, But it's not like I'm

1038
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,880
offending anybody by trying.
I'm not trying to start a

1039
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,320
lightning company or anything
like that.

1040
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,280
I'm just trying to get rich
myself, that's all.

1041
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,080
Is it the same vendors every
year?

1042
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,280
Does it go out to bid every
year?

1043
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,560
No, it does not go out to bid
because you know Elliot here

1044
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,800
again, you know he has a huge
loyalty to all these people we

1045
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,640
work with.
Our lighting guy is Burton from

1046
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,240
PRG and he does he's been with
us all through, you know, VER

1047
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:55,440
Evan Tez, Q1 and all this stuff.
So we've hung on.

1048
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,840
We pretty much followed him
where he went.

1049
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,880
So and it's the same thing with
our sound is Todd Johnson.

1050
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,800
He's been there since the very
beginning, you know, and he's

1051
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,760
done an amazing he's the client,
he's the, the, he's the sound

1052
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,720
Rep, right?
He's the sound guy, but he's the

1053
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,480
sound Rep and he's been here
since the beginning and he's

1054
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,160
always come to the table one day
and gave him a good deal and

1055
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,120
that they have no other reason.
I love that kind of loyalty.

1056
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,560
Yeah, I love that kind of
loyalty to keep the same vendors

1057
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,080
every year.
It makes it easy too when you're

1058
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,280
doing that many shows.
Sure, which is in.

1059
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,920
That tight of a period of time.
Yes, and it's a band.

1060
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,640
We use SGPS, you know, They're a
big part of our whole equation,

1061
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,680
you know?
So for me is SGPS.

1062
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,240
Oh, Jesus.
Just because we needed to make

1063
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:43,960
things.
Harder.

1064
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,120
I'm here.
Let me turn this thing off so

1065
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,520
you won't.
It's all good.

1066
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,000
But yeah, you know, they're
having the vendors every year.

1067
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Does does is a good thing too as
well, because you really just

1068
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,040
need that that bit of, you know,
working together and they know,

1069
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,200
you know, everybody knows each
other and all that stuff.

1070
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,440
So.
But do you?

1071
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,640
Do you have to force yourself to
not get lazy?

1072
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,480
In other words, like, let's just
do the same thing we did last

1073
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,680
year.
Kinda, you know?

1074
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,120
Well, I mean, sometimes it kind
of works out like that just

1075
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,560
because it's just the default.
But every year, man, I've got to

1076
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,560
do a brand new show.
Yeah, and that's pretty fucking

1077
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:28,640
awesome.
That is a.

1078
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,360
Lot of people don't get that,
you know, usually like KISS, you

1079
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,040
know, you go out, you design a
tour, you know, it goes on the

1080
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,120
road for you know what, two
years or something like that.

1081
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,760
And then after that they take a
year off whatever.

1082
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,000
So there's only like 1 design
every like four years or

1083
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,800
whatever with those types.
The bands here, in four years

1084
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,960
I'm doing 4 completely brand new
designs.

1085
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,360
Yeah, the music stays the same,
right?

1086
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,440
Yeah, with a couple of changes
or whatever.

1087
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,680
Basically the music is the same
and, and I just, I just do a

1088
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,920
different show.
So that's that's amazing.

1089
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,480
With Kiss, I think every time
they do a final tour, they

1090
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,440
change the design, you know,
every three or four years when

1091
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,320
it's their final tour, they
changed.

1092
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,840
And I did the I did the final, I
did the farewell tour.

1093
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,280
And that was in 2001.
I believe it.

1094
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,160
Was Oh my God, and they did
another 22 years or whatever.

1095
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,400
Yeah, exactly.
But to all to our reality, when

1096
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,280
we did that farewell tour, that
was the last time was the four

1097
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,240
original guys.
So after that, then the ace guy

1098
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,600
left and then Peter or whatever
and then they carried on for

1099
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,000
another 20 years.
But the farewell tour was with

1100
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,360
the four original guys and and I
thought that was pretty cool,

1101
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,280
even though I was still with him
after that.

1102
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,640
When they did, when they had
Tommy and Eric Singer, which are

1103
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,360
great because when I started
with kids, Eric Singer was in

1104
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,440
the band when they didn't have
the makeup back then.

1105
01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Yeah, that's cool, man.
And so I think TSO they, they do

1106
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,160
some charity stuff too, right?
Oh.

1107
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,440
God, that's another thing, you
know, like I told you, you know,

1108
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,120
we could, we could talk for
hours on TSO because they after

1109
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,640
26 years, there's just there's,
there's a lot to talk about and

1110
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,680
that's one thing, you know, for
the entire time that we've been

1111
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,120
around, right, every show, they
give a dollar from each ticket.

1112
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,680
So if we play, we play an arena
and say there's 15,000 people

1113
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,000
there that afternoon show and
12,000 for the other less 27,000

1114
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,160
people, right?
So they'll give $27,000 to a

1115
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,800
local charity and, and you know,
they invite the people up on the

1116
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,200
stage and they give them a check
for 28 grand or whatever.

1117
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,560
Or if they're just on it by the
show is 12,000 or 13,000 to a

1118
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,200
low.
So they've given away.

1119
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,440
Oh God, I don't even, I don't
even don't even know what the

1120
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,760
count is about like $15 million
or something, something like

1121
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,480
that.
You know after all these years

1122
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,640
was at least a million tickets a
year.

1123
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,920
Are these like kids charities or
like?

1124
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,960
Or is it just all is all
different ones, you know,

1125
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,360
different kinds, you know,
sometimes there's AI think

1126
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,720
they've done some animal
charities too as well.

1127
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,840
And, you know, a lot of kids
stuff and a lot of just a lot of

1128
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,320
stuff that's in locally in the,
the region that we're playing,

1129
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,800
you know what I mean?
So they'll try to help out the

1130
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,280
best way they can.
And that was from Paul O'Neill

1131
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,120
too, as well.
And they still do that to this

1132
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,640
day.
You know a dollar from each

1133
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,280
ticket goes to a local charity.
Is Paul, is he the one that

1134
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,960
passed away recently, like a few
years?

1135
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,520
Ago 2017 right?
Yeah, yes, he did.

1136
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,000
And he was an amazing, I mean
like a smart.

1137
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,920
Business, dude.
Yeah, he, he was.

1138
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,080
But I tell you, if he wasn't the
producer or or the songwriter

1139
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,080
and all that stuff, you know
what he would have been doing?

1140
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,240
He would have been doing the
lights because he really the

1141
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,640
fucking he was the production
and all that stuff.

1142
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,640
And I'm glad he called me when
when they he put this whole

1143
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,320
thing together, because like I
said, I worked for sabotage,

1144
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,760
right and a couple other his
bands.

1145
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,120
And then when this TSO thing
come up, he's just, he felt like

1146
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,160
I was the perfect guy for it,
you know?

1147
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,840
So I got to do it.
And, and Elliot started at the

1148
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,120
same time, me and Ellie, and
we've been there since the

1149
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,920
beginning.
And we worked with Joan Jett

1150
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,400
together, you know.
So there's a lot of, there's a

1151
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,680
lot of stuff that's really cool
about.

1152
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,400
When you're when your boss is is
a lighting wannabe or a lighting

1153
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600
guy, does that make it harder or
easier?

1154
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,360
I don't know is, you know, he
was like he was a very, you

1155
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,000
know, I hate to use the word
schizophrenic, but kind of like

1156
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,440
that.
You know, he's always going like

1157
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,720
Brian, Brian, that's awesome.
I like that.

1158
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Can I get more of those?
Just give me like another 20

1159
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,600
more of those things And can we
have fire in the audience?

1160
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,880
And we're going like, sure,
sure.

1161
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,440
So we put fire out in the
audience in the front of house

1162
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,040
and then along the wings and
everything in the early days.

1163
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,080
And, you know, he was just that.
He was just that connected to

1164
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,280
the production because, oh, you
know, Brian, you know, this is

1165
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,440
not a Christmas show.
This is a heavy metal show, you

1166
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,280
know, and that's just how he
was, man.

1167
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:21,200
He had long hair, sunglasses and
leather jacket.

1168
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,960
And, you know, he just, he
really would go around.

1169
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,560
I know he didn't really, he
never talked about this or never

1170
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,800
really, you know, but he would
just go around and like people

1171
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,400
that like the waiters or
something or, or the door guy or

1172
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,080
just this person.
I and you know, he would always

1173
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,520
give them $100 bill and say
here, you know, go do always

1174
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,800
giving it to the homeless, you
know, and just, I mean, just a

1175
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,520
constant thing and not even
looking for any recognition.

1176
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,280
You know, he'd probably hate it
if they, I, if he even knew I

1177
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,720
was talking about it, you know
what I mean?

1178
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,840
Because he was very, he very.
He liked to take care of people

1179
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,240
but didn't like to get
recognized for it.

1180
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,480
You know, wow, those are the
best kind of people.

1181
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,600
He was, he was amazing.
He, I remember one time he gave

1182
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,960
everybody $100 bill for
Christmas, right?

1183
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,520
OK, everybody $100 and say here,
you know, you take this $100 and

1184
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,640
you go give it to somebody who
needs it.

1185
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,320
So you go give this away.
You know, whether it's a tip for

1186
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,640
the cab or a tip for the
waitress or a homeless person or

1187
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,480
whatever, someone that really
needs it, give it to him, you

1188
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,440
know?
Yeah, pay it forward.

1189
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,080
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.
That's a great way to be.

1190
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,120
I mean, it sounds like an
incredible gig.

1191
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,920
Like, you know, is there some
point when you stop doing

1192
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,160
everything else and you just.
That's your retirement gig that

1193
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,120
makes you a little bit of money
every year and keeps you going

1194
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,240
and keeps you fresh.
I.

1195
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,800
Mean I I don't, I feel like I
don't feel like I'm.

1196
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,400
Ready to retire yet?
No, no, I'm not.

1197
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,800
You know, I enjoyed it so much.
You know, I really.

1198
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:58,280
People want, yeah.
But no, I don't think I'm there

1199
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,000
yet.
You know, I enjoy my Megadeth,

1200
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,560
you know, my five finger death
punch, the Judas freeze and you

1201
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,480
know, all that kind of stuff
that I do.

1202
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,680
But at the end of the day, you
know what?

1203
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,320
Yeah, I'm going to come back to
you.

1204
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,440
So because that has really been
the creative outlet for me.

1205
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,400
I mean, I I came up with a
castle and I protected upon it,

1206
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,680
you know, and it was amazing.
And I and I came up with a toy

1207
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,400
box that opened up that the band
came out of and, you know, just

1208
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,880
like that.
And I did this old theater that

1209
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,960
would go away at the end of the
narration that would come back

1210
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,480
from the narration.
And you know, just, I did a

1211
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:39,760
pyramid that opened up that had
fire in their video around it.

1212
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,040
It was just I've done some cool
stuff.

1213
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,560
I think the last time I saw it,
my son, who's 20 now, I think we

1214
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,680
took him and he was like four or
something.

1215
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,320
So I might, I might have to go
again.

1216
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,720
Maybe I'll go this summer or
just went through, I mean.

1217
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,480
Yeah, well, let.
Me know.

1218
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, let me know because it's

1219
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,720
amazing why people, I've had
people in the industry come see

1220
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,680
me and they're going, yeah, I
saw like 15 years ago, theater

1221
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,320
and stuff.
I said, you know, we come check

1222
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,200
this out, you know, Then they
were going like, oh, I have no

1223
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,800
idea.
It was like this, You know, we

1224
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,080
got, we got 20 trucks with the
stuff on each.

1225
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,560
We do this, we do those, we do
those rehearsals.

1226
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,320
You know, we'll have 40 trucks
in the park.

1227
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,200
That's insane.
I love that.

1228
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,120
Rehearsal thing with both bands
on either side of the.

1229
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,360
And I'll get to a point where
I'll have, you know, I'll have

1230
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,400
the timecode going or whatever.
So it just kind of plays itself

1231
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,960
and I hook in the other side too
as well.

1232
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,560
So you know, the the West Coast
be playing or something, but

1233
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,760
both rigs are going at the same
time.

1234
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:43,880
That's pretty.
So cool.

1235
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,960
Well, and it's great for the
vendor too, because it's like,

1236
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,720
OK, so yeah, I need twelve of
those, 12 of those, fifty of

1237
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,880
those, 100 of those.
OK, no times 2.

1238
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,720
Yeah, I know.
It every time's two on

1239
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,240
everything.
Everything's times 2.

1240
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,360
Yeah, that is awesome.
That's the.

1241
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,200
Big joke too is I want this this
this times 2.

1242
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,280
Brian, I kind of, I kind of went
backwards here, but how'd you

1243
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,480
get started and when?
You know what I got started

1244
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,000
when, when I was, you know, when
I was in high school, I played

1245
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,200
in a band, right?
And I had a band.

1246
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,479
I, I put together the lies, the
sound.

1247
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:22,200
You know, my parents got me a, a
truck and I had a car and then

1248
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,960
when I had a band and then we
went out and toured like between

1249
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,920
my 10th and 11th grade and, and
we know between 11th and 12th

1250
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,000
grade, right back then you only
had to be 18 to get in bars,

1251
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:35,960
right?
So we can play.

1252
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,960
So 17, you can kind of get away
with it out there.

1253
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,640
So we went and played all these
bars through the lower eastern

1254
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,760
United States, Georgia, South
Carolina and Mississippi, all

1255
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,520
this stuff.
I'm from North Carolina, so

1256
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,319
that's explains my accent.
Well, it probably doesn't

1257
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:53,920
explain my.
Accent.

1258
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,160
Yeah, Sarah said.
You know, Sarah with her crazy

1259
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,359
British accent goes he's got a
bit of an accent.

1260
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:03,960
And I'm like, oh really?
And it's very Southern.

1261
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,600
You know, some people think, are
you from England?

1262
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,520
I was like, no, I'm not.
I'm from North Carolina.

1263
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:13,600
Yeah, but but that was that was
cool stuff.

1264
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,880
And then and then, you know, I
had the band and then when I was

1265
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,680
about, we got out of high school
and my band broke up, right,

1266
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,399
Whatever.
There was another local band

1267
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:25,880
called Nantucket and they needed
a lighting guy that maybe owned

1268
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,240
some lights.
And I happened to go, oh, I owe

1269
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,120
my little light show here.
So so they hired me and I and I

1270
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,080
did that.
I didn't use the truck, but I

1271
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,960
did use the lights.
And then I went, I did that for

1272
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,800
maybe a year with those guys and
they were just playing clubs in

1273
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,120
North Carolina, North Carolina
band or whatever.

1274
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,600
And, and then when that was
done, a buddy of mine, a guitar

1275
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,640
tech that I worked with, went to
work for Joan Jeff.

1276
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,720
And then he hooked me up with
Elliot.

1277
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,440
And then so that's how I started
with Joan Jett.

1278
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,600
And then after that I, I just
got rid of the lights that I had

1279
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,520
or whatever.
And then?

1280
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,160
When you, when you started with
Joan Jett, what was that?

1281
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,360
Were you, were you on the crew
or were you?

1282
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,840
No, No.
I was the lighting guy.

1283
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,240
I was right there.
They need a lighting guy.

1284
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,040
They were just, they were
playing kind of like bars and

1285
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,040
stuff and a little smaller
stuff.

1286
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,760
Whatever 2 gig though.
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

1287
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,400
So I I did that and I and with
Joan Jett a little bit with her.

1288
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,760
So since I wasn't a, you know,
it wasn't really too much of an

1289
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,360
established lighting guy.
You know, I was, I was just

1290
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,280
doing this couple bands.
I went to New York and then I

1291
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,360
moved to New York.
And then as I'm working with

1292
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,840
Joan Jett in between the tours,
I started doing the records,

1293
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,080
right.
So I did all this recording

1294
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,640
stuff with Joan and her band
where I would, since I was an

1295
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,760
established lighting guy, I
would go there, be the Gopher,

1296
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,720
I'd go to the deli, I'd roll the
joints, you know what I mean?

1297
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,800
I would, I would tune the
guitars because I was a guitar

1298
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,520
player, so I could take care of
the guitars and tune those and

1299
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,480
for the studio and set up the
drums and all that stuff.

1300
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:03,200
So I did that for about four or
five years with so that on the

1301
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,000
off that was.
Before she broke and then while

1302
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,920
she.
Broke, it was a little bit after

1303
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,040
she broke and then it this was
probably 80.

1304
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,280
This was 84 when I started with
Jump Jeff.

1305
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,800
So she'd already been
established And then, and then

1306
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,120
right after that, a couple of
the records that we did, they

1307
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,960
were hit records, you know,
like, I hate myself for loving

1308
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,360
you and all that stuff.
And it was, it was kind of cool

1309
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,560
to be in the studio like that
and.

1310
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,520
So let me ask you, like when you
were 12, did you have a Runaways

1311
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,560
poster on your wall like I did?
You know, I'd like the Runaways

1312
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,720
I but I know I had KISS posters.
I had.

1313
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,040
I had kiss too, but runaways
were girls.

1314
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,400
But I also had, what I had was a
Farrah Fawcett.

1315
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,720
I had Farrah Fawcett, you know,
I had that on there and.

1316
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,320
Farrah was my girl, too.
Yeah, yeah.

1317
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,520
And I think I might have had
that.

1318
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,040
What's her name?
The ditzy 1 from 3's company,

1319
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,680
Suzanne.
Somers Oh, right, right.

1320
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,360
Like I had.
Her, The Runaways and Farrah

1321
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,760
Fawcett might have been sort of
my three go TOS.

1322
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:05,760
They were my.
Inspirations.

1323
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,720
You know what, Joan was awesome.
I spent about 10 years with her

1324
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,000
and you know, everything about
her was awesome and I just

1325
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,720
enjoyed that.
It was such a unique, well, such

1326
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,200
an great time for me in a great
era because that was just

1327
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,440
starting out.
And what we did that when I

1328
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:25,080
worked with Joan Jett as far as
the studio stuff, I did all

1329
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,600
that.
That was pretty cool.

1330
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,720
But we toured with everybody we
toured with.

1331
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,840
We toured with the Kinks of The
Beach Boys, Robert Plant,

1332
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,320
Aerosmith, and we just toured
with all these bands.

1333
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,920
And that's how I got to know so
many of these people.

1334
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,440
Like, I knew, I don't know, you
know, Opie from Production

1335
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,720
manager.
OK, so I, I did, we did a Rat

1336
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:48,960
tour.
It was Joan Jett.

1337
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,960
It was Poison, Joan Jett and
Rat.

1338
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,400
And I was with Joan Jett and
Opie was out there.

1339
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,800
Opie was, he was the lighting
guy.

1340
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,440
He was doing all the moving
trusses and everything.

1341
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,600
Yeah, back to Charlie Hernandez
was the production manager.

1342
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,600
Bill Ely was the lighting guy.
Yeah.

1343
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,120
And that was probably, that was
probably 85.

1344
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,960
That's like an All Star crew
right there.

1345
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,800
I know right, All Star crazy,
crazy stuff.

1346
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,160
And and you know, I still know
you know Opie to this day.

1347
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,560
It's always, it's always good to
see Opie because you're just

1348
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,240
having that such a long time
friendship is is pretty cool.

1349
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,840
Yeah, that is very cool.
So we're so, I mean, Joan Jett,

1350
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,240
that was basically a big part of
the early years of your career.

1351
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,560
So you weren't doing other stuff
as well as Joan, but.

1352
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,080
But I did, I actually a little
bit, I did the Joan thing.

1353
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,520
I started going the records,
right?

1354
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,800
And then whatever.
And then as I started working

1355
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,600
with Joan jab, there was one
time where they were playing the

1356
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,440
Beacon Theater.
OK, So and it was a big deal,

1357
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,480
right?
So I was going like, OK, then.

1358
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:53,000
So they kind of came to me.
They're going, listen, we're

1359
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,480
going to bring in this other guy
to do the lights for these two

1360
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:59,480
shows, right?
So, you know, and me, I'm not an

1361
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:03,080
established guy, so I, I
couldn't take it too hard, but

1362
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:09,640
but the guy came in and, you
know, he taught me how to call

1363
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,920
spotlights.
He, he taught me how to draw.

1364
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,080
And this guy's name was John
Broderick.

1365
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:17,680
Who JB.
Is.

1366
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:24,480
So it was, so it was him that
came in there and I was going

1367
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:28,160
like, OK, you know, I I'll take
it there and learn something

1368
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,720
from it, you know, and, and I
did and he was awesome.

1369
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,720
Like I said, he told me we had
to call spotlights.

1370
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,360
He taught me how to draw.
And back then drawing wasn't on

1371
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,920
the computer, drawing with a,
with a pencil and a stencil.

1372
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,080
And you know, he told me the
right chair to get the right,

1373
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,120
the right drafting board and
everything.

1374
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,440
He really set me up and he took
the time man.

1375
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:53,360
And he really, he really took
time with me.

1376
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,120
So that, that was awesome.
And I value Metallica.

1377
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,840
Oh yeah, that was, well, that
was 85.

1378
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,880
So he hadn't worked with
Metallica yet.

1379
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,760
And I, I remember I, I became
friends when the back then and

1380
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,320
then just like a couple years
later, it was probably only two

1381
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,000
years later, he called me and
he's like, hey man, I'm fucking

1382
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,160
heavy metal now.
So really he's I'm going

1383
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,120
Metallica.
That's why.

1384
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,200
OK, that's pretty cool, you
know, and.

1385
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Some of that stuff, yeah.
Yeah, he's a bad ass dude, Yeah.

1386
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,760
Have you talked to him recently?
I saw him about 10 years ago.

1387
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,200
That was about it.
And he came to TSO, yeah, to

1388
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,680
visit with my Joan Jett people
and TSO people.

1389
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,920
And he can, I think that was
2014.

1390
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,400
It was about 10 years ago.
And, and it was great to see

1391
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,680
him.
He sat out, they went in front

1392
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,040
of the house and it was like I
was.

1393
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,320
I try to reach out to him every
six months or so and we talk

1394
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,680
quite often and for a long time,
for a couple of years.

1395
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,920
Like I think it started right
after he split with Metallica,

1396
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:58,880
his, I believe it's his wife's
dad passed away and he had this

1397
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:04,920
massive art collection and, and
JB took over the art collection.

1398
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,800
Like just basically, he kind of
started curating this collection

1399
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,160
and, and helping to, you know,
figure out what to do with it.

1400
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,840
And some of it went off to
galleries or museums or

1401
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,400
whatever.
And, and, but he was cataloguing

1402
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,240
all this stuff and it was like
this huge, huge collection of

1403
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,640
stuff.
And but, yeah, you know, we've

1404
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,840
had a lot of really long talks
about life and the industry and.

1405
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,800
I knew his wife, too.
Dory.

1406
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,680
Yeah.
Yeah, she was she was a

1407
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:32,880
sweetheart too.
She was.

1408
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:34,640
She was awesome.
Yeah.

1409
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,560
I I went to a Metallica show
years ago, probably 88, right

1410
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,200
around that time.
And then I didn't, I didn't know

1411
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,760
what was going on with the show,
right.

1412
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,280
And then all of a sudden the
fucking pirate went off and that

1413
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,320
fucking trust came down and was
swinging, right.

1414
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,920
And and I was in 80.
Eight, that was later, not that

1415
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,560
was in the 90s, that was like.
No, no, it's this was, this was

1416
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,200
what it, what was it called the
justice for all.

1417
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,520
And no, no, this is the justice
for all this.

1418
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,640
Was before that, yeah.
Yeah, this is right when JB got

1419
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,360
there.
Yeah.

1420
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,480
And and it was because it was a
piece of trust that came down

1421
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,640
and that was swinging and it
told me he caught me off guard.

1422
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,160
And I remember his wife was that
I was going holy shit.

1423
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,320
I know as as part of the show.
It's a sense.

1424
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,080
I didn't know that they had done
that earlier because I remember

1425
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,640
on I don't know if I think it
was load and when they faked an

1426
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,920
accident.
Sure.

1427
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,360
And they?
Freaked out.

1428
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,880
They did it with the pyro guy
when the pyro guy was climbing

1429
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,600
up and then he kind of like he
was falling down and stuff like

1430
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,440
that.
You know, they've always done

1431
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:39,840
those.
Those kind of cool.

1432
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,640
Yeah, I like that stuff.
That's fun.

1433
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,320
So how did you get into all the
heavy rock'n'roll stuff?

1434
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,320
Was that just through the people
you met through Joan Jetter?

1435
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,400
People I met and like I said,
you know, early on when I

1436
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,960
started with Joan Jett, that
Paul O'Neill, you know, he was

1437
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,760
into all the metal stuff.
You know, that's where sabotage

1438
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,960
came from.
And then I ended up getting a

1439
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:06,760
gig with Megadeth in like 92.
They had a big tour or whatever

1440
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,360
and I got on with that and which
was cool.

1441
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,080
That was just a couple years
after we did that DO tour and I

1442
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,480
got to do Megadeth and that was
awesome.

1443
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,440
You know, it was great.
I had a Chris Kanzi, I don't

1444
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:22,920
know if you know Chris Kanzi,
but he was, he was the

1445
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,120
production manager back then.
And, and Chris Kanzi is also one

1446
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,600
of my longest friends that I've
had in this industry.

1447
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:35,240
He was there right when I
started with Jones Jet and I

1448
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,560
actually got him a gig as a
guitar tech on Joan Jett.

1449
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,640
And then we spent a couple years
with Joan Jett and then me and

1450
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,720
Chris Kansy.
We just had so many good

1451
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,520
memories and everything.
And then we had a blast working

1452
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:55,280
with that back in that day.
But yeah, Megadeth and then run

1453
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,360
out to Megadeth.
I did.

1454
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,360
I did Anthrax.
And then I just started.

1455
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,840
It just seemed like, you know, a
lot of people work with the same

1456
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,000
bands and that genre, you know,
so and I like that stuff.

1457
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,680
That's cool.
When did you work with Mötley

1458
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,720
Crüe?
Mötley Crüe was like 2000, I

1459
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:15,320
want to say 6789, something
right around those years, yeah.

1460
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,360
And the first tour I did with
Motley, we were opening up for

1461
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,440
Aerosmith.
So so that was cool.

1462
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:25,520
And then after that we did like
a crew fest and then crew fest,

1463
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,640
a little winter thing.
And, and that's kind of what I

1464
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,480
did with them.
You know, that they were another

1465
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:36,280
ones that I I worked with them
and then the I had to lead to do

1466
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,760
TSO and then they called me back
again and I said, yes, I'd love

1467
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,520
to work with you again.
And then they were going to OK,

1468
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,960
can you leave?
TSOI was going, no, I can't.

1469
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,080
So they said OK, they did it.
And then like the third time

1470
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,200
came around and they're going to
like, can you, you know, you're

1471
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,080
going to leave to it.
We need some light for all

1472
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,240
thousand.
I can't do it.

1473
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,160
So they just moved on, you know?
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.

1474
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,080
I understand that.
But you know, one of the guys

1475
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,360
that it seems to work out the
best for somehow when it doesn't

1476
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,240
look like it's going to is
Cosmo.

1477
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:12,160
Like Cosmo somehow this year
like went from Judas Priest real

1478
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,560
smooth into ACDC, real smooth
into Aerosmith and everybody

1479
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,360
like.
You know, it seems like Steven

1480
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:23,480
Tyler goes into, you know, detox
or something every time Cosmo

1481
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,000
needs to leave to go to AC, DC
or something else.

1482
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,360
It's like, oh, that worked out
OK, you know?

1483
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,400
But not that I'm wishing poorly
upon Steven Tyler because he's

1484
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,080
one of my.
Favorite.

1485
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,920
You know, when I worked for him,
when I worked for him, we were

1486
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,360
doing a tour.
It was great.

1487
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,680
We were at Sturgis, right?
And then I, my crew chief buddy

1488
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,880
was sitting right next to me.
And then all of a sudden, you

1489
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,000
know, Steven comes down there.
Boom, whatever next.

1490
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,920
Ain't no boom.
He kind of falls off the stage.

1491
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,400
He falls off the stage, right?
And I'm going like, oh shit.

1492
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,240
And then I let my buddy, he
looked and he's like, this isn't

1493
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,400
good.
And then he came out and then

1494
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,120
they can't defend.
They didn't finish the show and

1495
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,960
then they cancelled the tour,
right?

1496
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,000
And so we all went home, right?
And then they started again in

1497
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,440
probably like six months or
whatever, and we did another

1498
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:14,520
tour and all that stuff.
But you know, he, he's a, he's

1499
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,240
an interesting character too as
well.

1500
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,160
Because he did TSO.
So that's how I got yeah.

1501
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,680
He came out and sang a couple
songs with us because our guy

1502
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,520
Paul O'Neill and our management
company with Joan Jett, they

1503
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,360
managed Aerosmith for 20 years.
They were called a Lieber Crabs,

1504
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,760
right?
So, so he knew, he knew Steven

1505
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,280
and all that stuff.
So we had him come out to do a

1506
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,720
couple shows in New Jersey and
and he did that.

1507
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,160
And when he did before Steven
called me, right?

1508
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,480
He called me on the phone,
right.

1509
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:48,160
And I'm going like, OK, I was
like, yeah, hey, you know, and I

1510
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,160
can tell Steven Tile, obviously.
And he's like, hey, you know,

1511
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,640
you and you, the guy doing this,
Tsoi said, well, yeah.

1512
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,760
I said, I said, aren't you
coming to sing with us, You

1513
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,080
know?
And next week he goes, yeah,

1514
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,160
yeah, yeah, he goes.
But I was just looking at the

1515
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,760
video stuff.
He goes and do you do all this

1516
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,400
lighting?
And I was going to like, well,

1517
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,480
yes, I, I just on the whole
show, whatever, he goes, he

1518
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:10,240
goes, man.
He goes, He goes, man, he goes,

1519
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,840
you know, you're doing lights
for Aerosmith.

1520
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:14,040
And I was going, OK, that's
cool.

1521
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,960
You know, I said sure.
I said, I said, hit me up when

1522
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,640
you get to the gig, whatever,
you know, so, and I didn't

1523
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,840
really bother with him.
I let him, everybody else wanted

1524
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,480
pictures, all that stuff.
So I just kind of stayed at my

1525
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,320
lighting board.
He did the first show and then

1526
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,280
in between the shows, he sent
his guy out there that he said,

1527
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,080
hey, Steven wants to see you
now.

1528
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,080
And I was going, oh, Jesus
Christ.

1529
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,840
So I go in there and he's going
like, man, he goes what the

1530
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,320
fuck?
He goes, what the fuck?

1531
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:40,600
I said why?
I said, you OK?

1532
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,880
He goes, He goes that's amazing
shit.

1533
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,920
He goes that is amazing.
He used you need to work for

1534
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,840
Aerosmith.
I said, well, I said I've done a

1535
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,640
million tours with you already.
I said I did Joan J and

1536
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,280
Aerosmith.
I did Megadeth and Aerosmith,

1537
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,320
you know, and because they fired
Megadeth on that tour, right?

1538
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,640
And I was going, I did Mötley
Crüe, you know, did another

1539
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,440
Jones jet thing, whatever.
And so he goes, well you're

1540
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:05,680
fucking doing lights for
Arrowsmith.

1541
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,360
And I did it for like 3 years,
you know, It was cool.

1542
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:09,880
Interesting.
Yeah.

1543
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,120
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's a good resume

1544
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,800
builder, you know, they're a
great band you.

1545
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,280
Know what, it was great.
I got to meet a lot of people

1546
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,080
out there and so I still go to
this day and I got to work with

1547
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,560
Aerosmith and.
Just a troubled a troubled bunch

1548
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,480
though, you know, especially
Steven.

1549
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:29,880
I mean, just haunted by.
Haunted by himself, I guess I.

1550
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,800
Don't know, yes.
And then you look at like a guy

1551
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,840
like Dave Mistain, same thing
yeah.

1552
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:39,040
You know, these guys are just so
I think, eccentric on.

1553
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,120
It I have a funny Dave Mistain
story that you'll get because

1554
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,400
you worked for him for a long
time.

1555
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:49,120
But that Gigantor thing.
So a friend of mine was the drum

1556
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,600
tech for Mike Portnoy with Dream
Theater.

1557
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:57,520
And so a couple of us, he kept
saying you gotta come see the

1558
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,640
show, you gotta come see the
show.

1559
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:04,680
So we went in Orlando and it was
the Hard Rock Live, I think, and

1560
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,720
it's got like an elevator that
gets you between like caterings

1561
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,440
on one floor and all the
different.

1562
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:12,240
You've been there, right, Right.
Yeah, for that venue.

1563
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,080
So anyways, we go, my my buddy's
a drummer.

1564
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,040
He wants to see Portnoy's drum
kits.

1565
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,400
So we go down, the drum tech
takes us down, shows us the kit

1566
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,280
and everything, and he goes, you
guys hungry?

1567
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,200
And we said, I don't know, maybe
a snack or something.

1568
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,800
He goes, OK, just grab the
elevator, go up to the next

1569
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,080
floor that's catering, and then
I'll see you in the venue.

1570
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,640
And so we, we get on the
elevator and Dave Mustaine and I

1571
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,040
think like one of the other guys
from Metallica and a manager are

1572
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,800
on the elevator.
And there's this little black

1573
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,880
girl who's the elevator
operator.

1574
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,400
And he's Mustaine standing there
with even a shittier look than

1575
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,880
normal on his face.
Like, just like, I'm going to

1576
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:53,680
fucking kill everyone here,
right?

1577
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:58,040
Like that kind of a look.
And he goes, would you close the

1578
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,360
fucking door?
And she goes, Sir, I told you

1579
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:01,920
the door isn't working very
well.

1580
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,520
There's a problem with the
elevator.

1581
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,680
And he goes, well, then why the
fuck did you pick these guys up?

1582
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,160
And we're all like, oh shit, you
know, we're in trouble now.

1583
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,720
And he's and the door finally
gets closed and, and it like

1584
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,440
gets halfway to the next floor
and open the door opens like

1585
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:21,840
about 8 inches.
And you know, you got a step

1586
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,560
that's like about a foot, like
the elevator didn't go all the

1587
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,120
way and it didn't open all the
way.

1588
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,120
And we're like peeling ourselves
through the door because he's

1589
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:33,080
just ripping on this girl.
Why the fuck do you just, I told

1590
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,400
you not to stop the elevator.
I told you not to pick these

1591
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,320
guys up.
And I mean, we were so

1592
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,800
uncomfortable, but it was such a
Spinal Tap moment.

1593
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:46,160
You know, yeah, he's, I love
Dave to death, but he's a, he's

1594
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,000
a character sometimes for sure.
Pent up anger.

1595
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,400
I mean, I guess he would, you
know?

1596
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,800
But you know, hey, you know what
I always say, like, listen, you

1597
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,120
know, if Dave was a nice guy or
he said he is a nice guy,

1598
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,560
whatever.
But if he just didn't have that

1599
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,920
whole personality, you know, he
wouldn't have wrote the songs

1600
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,000
that he wrote.
You know, that's just part of

1601
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,400
the.
Songs out there that come from

1602
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,440
deep anger.
You know what I mean?

1603
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:12,280
Just stuff like holy wars, you
know, sweat, bullets, angry

1604
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,960
again, all that stuff is just
for me.

1605
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,520
I just, I feel like it's just
brilliant songwriting and he's,

1606
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,160
and he's not even, I don't even
think he makes an effort.

1607
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,880
I mean, he makes an effort, but
it's effortless.

1608
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,680
That's what I mean.
I've met him three times.

1609
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:34,080
My ex-wife worked for Geffen
Records for EMI.

1610
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,880
She was a record person and so I
went to a lot of shows either

1611
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,080
from my industry or from her
industry.

1612
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:43,840
And so I met him a few times and
it just seemed like every time I

1613
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:49,280
met him he was really mad.
He just no smile, just very

1614
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,760
abrupt, very like what?
Yeah, he's just always like

1615
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,400
that.
I'm sure I know him pretty well

1616
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,080
too, as well.
I still value him as a friend of

1617
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,520
mine, you know.
He's super talented.

1618
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,720
He's like you said.
I mean, some of the like, I can

1619
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:09,360
always listen to Megadeth,
whereas sometimes Metallica gets

1620
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,880
on my nerves a little bit.
I mean, you know, Megadeth, I

1621
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,800
can always listen to you.
Know and I just did Megadeth

1622
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,200
just this past April, right.
Oh, did you Yeah, in South

1623
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:23,120
America and oh man, I tell you
what is just you know and Dave

1624
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,000
knows this too, as well as I
just I just enjoyed running

1625
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,840
lights of that music.
I really do, you know, it's got

1626
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:33,720
AI, got a big history with
Megadeth and my daughter is kind

1627
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,800
of a product of Megadeth because
on the Countdown to Extinction

1628
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:42,560
tour, right, I ended up getting
up with the wardrobe girl and we

1629
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,080
got married and everything.
Michelle and who was still a

1630
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,920
dear friend of mine to this day,
but she's mother, my child, you

1631
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,240
know, So oh wow, always be a
friend.

1632
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,640
But we were married for years or
whatever, So and that all just

1633
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,640
kind of came from Megadeth and
stuff.

1634
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,840
That's really cool.
That's really so in in South

1635
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,040
America.
Do all the people like sing the

1636
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,760
guitar parts and stuff like the
crowd you?

1637
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,480
Fuck yeah they do.
Isn't that crazy?

1638
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,560
They sing all the little all the
stuff they and yes, they sing

1639
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,600
guitar.
Parts, they know all the little

1640
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,560
nuances to the songs and stuff,
like it's crazy.

1641
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,400
We did.
You know what with Megadeth, we

1642
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,720
went down there, we did.
They did what they did.

1643
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,480
They did 17,000 people, one show
in Mexico City and they did

1644
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:34,600
three shows in Argentina, two
shows at Columbia and they just

1645
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:39,280
did amazing numbers and it was
it was a pleasure to go down

1646
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,000
there and do that and that.
Was really cool.

1647
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,640
Nothing really special per SE,
but I had a big white show, so

1648
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,640
it was really, it was lights and
it was a backdrop.

1649
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,440
So I didn't have any video, no
lasers, nothing like that was

1650
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,480
just only lights and a backdrop.
Is there a lot of?

1651
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,160
Is there a lot of video on TSO?
Yeah, I have a lot of video on

1652
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,200
to you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1653
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,600
I mean, video.
You almost got to have it these

1654
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:04,760
days.
You know what I have?

1655
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,240
I have a love hate.
I have a love hate relationship

1656
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,160
with video screens.
I like it because I took on

1657
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:14,560
video when I was younger because
I, I could control it.

1658
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,960
So I was going on, let me have
the video stream, then I could

1659
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,720
put what I want on there and I
could do kind of effects and I

1660
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,480
could do it in with the lights
and everything.

1661
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:23,560
So that's how I've always
approached my show.

1662
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,960
I, I, I really feel like you get
the best bang in your buck from

1663
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,560
video.
That's that's really even with

1664
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,200
Megadeth was when I was making
that previously we had video and

1665
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,320
and Dave Dave threw in some
money to give some amazing

1666
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,000
content.
I mean, some of the best looking

1667
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,760
content I've ever seen.
So really and it goes right with

1668
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:48,200
the music and also also got
Megadeth to do timecode.

1669
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,560
I mean, they don't do any tracks
at all, right?

1670
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,120
But they do timecode and they
play to a click, you know, and,

1671
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,680
and some sound effects or
whatever, but you know, no

1672
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,520
tracks or nothing like that.
But he implemented the time code

1673
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,400
for me so I can I can keep these
videos on sync and they're

1674
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:12,400
perfect because they were very,
very intense and precise videos,

1675
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,000
right?
So I had to be that way.

1676
01:30:14,440 --> 01:30:16,840
And you know what?
Dave embraced and everything,

1677
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,600
and now they still do the time
code for the video and the

1678
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,360
lights.
And well, for the lights,

1679
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,960
there's no video.
But so yeah, it makes a

1680
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,760
difference.
When when you're designing a

1681
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,600
show like what?
What's your?

1682
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:33,240
What's your process?
Well, usually like, you know,

1683
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,200
I'll, I'll go back and look at
the previous show, you know,

1684
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:37,560
with like with T whether you
did.

1685
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,080
It or not?
No, no, no, what, what, what

1686
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,120
they did before, just like 5
finger death punch, OK, from

1687
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,280
that one, for example, you know,
I, I didn't know what, that I've

1688
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:49,040
toured with them when I was a
Megadeth, but I, I didn't know

1689
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,440
what their inner workings are
and all that stuff.

1690
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:54,080
So you have to kind of go in
there and kind of get an idea of

1691
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,000
what they've done before, you
know, what gauge are they at?

1692
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:00,080
How many trucks are they in?
You know, I can't just design

1693
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,880
the show.
I need a little bit of a gauge.

1694
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,880
I'm like, you know, OK, you
know, you got you got five

1695
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,920
trucks, so you got 10 trucks or
you got 12 trucks, whatever, you

1696
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,360
know, something like that.
So I could design A show.

1697
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,680
So that's usually where I'll
start like that.

1698
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:19,080
And then but like with TSO, with
TSO, it's about the story, you

1699
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,400
know, because they do a story,
right?

1700
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:25,360
So it's the story that we've
been doing for past couple years

1701
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,600
is about a girl who's goes into
this theater, right?

1702
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,560
And an abandoned theater for
Christmas or whatever.

1703
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,320
So I, that's why I built the
theater, right?

1704
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,680
And then years ago we did this
other story.

1705
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,480
It was called the Christmas
Addict, right?

1706
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,280
There was a record to it and all
this and, and what it was, it

1707
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,280
was a little girl in front of a
toy box with the toy box halfway

1708
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,520
open and some light coming out
of it, right?

1709
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:58,360
So I built a toy box and and
that was just, it was awesome.

1710
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:00,760
And this year I have a big
inflatable.

1711
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,040
I don't want to say what it is,
but I think most people, they'll

1712
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,360
figure it out.
But it's just big giant

1713
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,200
inflatable that I'm going to
project on and it's going to be

1714
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,640
so intense.
It's going to be awesome.

1715
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,480
That's cool.
I'm going to come out and see it

1716
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:15,880
this year.
Yeah, you got to check it out

1717
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,680
this year.
It's all this projection mapping

1718
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,720
that I'm doing that's really
just going to be, it's just

1719
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,680
going to be mind blowing.
And, you know, I still have all

1720
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,280
the lies to Pyro, the lasers and
all that stuff.

1721
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:31,000
But for me, it's, it's about
telling this story and this

1722
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:35,280
story I can tell with the, with
the my projection mapping, you

1723
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,160
know, because there's, there's
certain things that I'll pick up

1724
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:42,760
on like, OK, the guys, the guy
has a person in the hospital.

1725
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,080
So I'll do a hospital while
they're talking about because he

1726
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:46,920
does those narrations and
everything.

1727
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:51,400
So I'll set up scenes to match
the narration on the projection

1728
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,840
mapping.
And, and that's how I do it.

1729
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,640
I just do.
But your actual process, like

1730
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,240
when when you sit down to design
A show, you know what, what are

1731
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:02,040
you using?
Is it?

1732
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,920
Is it still hand drawn at all
or?

1733
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,000
Is everything in vector.
Works or how do you do it?

1734
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,480
I've never been a hand drawer.
I wish I could.

1735
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:09,880
That's a great talent.
Yeah.

1736
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,440
I see some guys who could just
draw like that.

1737
01:33:12,440 --> 01:33:14,920
And it was like, Oh my God, you
know me.

1738
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,040
I'd do it on the computer.
So, you know, I'll do it in

1739
01:33:18,440 --> 01:33:21,400
Cinema 4D.
You know, a lot of times I'll do

1740
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:22,840
it.
I'll do Cinema 4D.

1741
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,480
I'll put together design and
then I'll animate a little bit

1742
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:29,360
and I'll have a camera come
around the front and I have

1743
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,760
video on the video on the video
walls.

1744
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:36,720
My movies that I do or you know,
pretty spectacular.

1745
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,000
I mean, they're pretty.
What do you mean movies that you

1746
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,760
do?
See, I'll make a movie.

1747
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,280
I'll make a movie of like Tia so
Francis like this year.

1748
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,920
So I I made a movie that shows
the camera going over here,

1749
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,400
showing what the stage looks
like, the video contents going,

1750
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,920
the lights are moving around,
you know, and all the cameras

1751
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,840
moving the the trusses are
moving and all that stuff.

1752
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,760
And I'll put a song on there or
whatever.

1753
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,640
So it kind of goes along with it
And and that's how it looks

1754
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,280
like.
A presentation.

1755
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,640
It's a presentation.
For the band presentation that I

1756
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:15,400
do and I'll draw it first and
it's like like Vectorworks and

1757
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:19,160
then I'll move it over to Cinema
4D and then I'll do that and

1758
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:21,680
then I'll animate it with Cinema
4D.

1759
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,640
And then I'll end up taking
Final Cut Pro and then editing

1760
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,160
in like a, you know, a 2 minute
video, you know, of, of what the

1761
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,160
design looks like at different
angles and stuff like that.

1762
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,520
That's cool.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

1763
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:35,960
That's how, and that's how I'll
do that.

1764
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,760
And then, you know, after that
we evaluate if I need to change

1765
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:40,760
stuff.
We change stuff.

1766
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,280
I don't really go back and do
another movie, you know, because

1767
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,920
the movie is about a, you know,
a month process of doing this,

1768
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,920
you know, because I got to think
of it first and then I got to

1769
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,760
build it.
And then once I build it and all

1770
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,400
that stuff, then I got to
animate it.

1771
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,320
And then I got to edit it to a
video and then put a song on

1772
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:57,480
there and all that stuff.
So.

1773
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,840
You ever go back and look at the
video and go, yeah, this ended

1774
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,040
up pretty damn close?
Yeah, well, yeah, all my stuff.

1775
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:09,320
Our production manager for TSO
West Coast, Jeff Poguski, right?

1776
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:11,080
Yeah.
So I'll always do these

1777
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,600
renderings and everything.
And then when we sit in there,

1778
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,280
you know, midway through
rehearsal, we're looking at it,

1779
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,200
He's going like, man, he goes
fucking looks exactly like the

1780
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,880
drawing.
That's cool, yeah.

1781
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,960
So yeah, that's.
How I love, I love renderings

1782
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,760
that that work out exactly, you
know, where it's like, whoa, I

1783
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:28,000
mean, is that real or is that
the.

1784
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,000
Render.
You know what?

1785
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,760
I'll send you a little link of
something to a couple of movies.

1786
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,400
You can look at it and check it
out.

1787
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,120
Yeah, that'd be cool.
That'd be really.

1788
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,160
I feel like sometimes I feel
like, you know, people don't

1789
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:42,240
even realize what I do with
these movies and everything.

1790
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:46,720
I mean, some of these things are
just amazing, you know, And I

1791
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,120
think nowadays you could
probably do it a little bit

1792
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,280
easier, so to speak.
But you know, some of those

1793
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,360
movies I did, do you know, that
took a lot of time and a lot of

1794
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,160
effort in there.
Well, easier isn't always better

1795
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:02,000
and especially with AI coming on
board now, as hard as it is

1796
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,520
right now.
I mean oh there was a good ad

1797
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:08,000
the show of a cup.
Look at him with the show.

1798
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:12,520
I'm going to meet John today.
He's going to show me some

1799
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,080
stuff.
So yeah.

1800
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,760
So when I went to get a cup of
coffee, I looked in cover.

1801
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,640
I saw this.
I was going to like, OK, let me

1802
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,800
give him a little selfless
advertiser.

1803
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,280
You go there.
Considering they won't sponsor

1804
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,840
my effing podcast.
No, but I love John.

1805
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,440
I love John I I worked with John
for a minute.

1806
01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:33,000
I'll tell him that today.
I'll tell him that hey, I had

1807
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,320
your cup and they had to ban it
because you're not allowed on

1808
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,560
the website.
Him and I him and I were in lots

1809
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:43,080
of debates over the past few
months over hockey because I'm

1810
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,480
in South Florida.
So I'm a Panthers fan, of

1811
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:50,720
course, and and he's in Texas
and is a Dallas Stars fan.

1812
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,120
Yeah.
And, you know, we're both

1813
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,480
technically French Canadian,
even though I was born in

1814
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:58,440
western English speaking Canada,
but my parents are French

1815
01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:00,600
Canadian.
So we're big hockey fans.

1816
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:02,160
We're both big hockey fans.
I like.

1817
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,640
I love the hockey.
Hockey in Vegas is amazing, you

1818
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:05,280
know?
Well, they did.

1819
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,000
You guys still think it was
gonna?

1820
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:08,240
They didn't know if it was
gonna.

1821
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,320
Obviously somebody believed it
was gonna work.

1822
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,120
But yeah.
But oh, man, it's great.

1823
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,240
And do you know Sean?
I was gonna ask you if you knew

1824
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,680
Sean, because what an incredible
job he's done, man.

1825
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,840
Oh yeah, real.
He's, he's an awesome buddy of

1826
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,920
mine and he's had me out to the
games where I I'd work for them.

1827
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:30,160
I'd to push the little DF fifty
across the the catwalk while

1828
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,080
they're doing the national
anthem and stuff like that that.

1829
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,040
Show is just incredible, like
they just upped the bar so much

1830
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,280
with that show at the beginning.
I I love what they've done, you

1831
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,600
know, Gumper too, I'm sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1832
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,760
Because Gumper's got those,
like, glass side seats that he

1833
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,520
has.
He takes his little baby with

1834
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,360
the headphones on to the hockey
games.

1835
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,960
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, hockey's Gray

1836
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:54,080
here, man.
It is.

1837
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,360
And yeah, it's just that's.
Vegas, though, you could put

1838
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:58,600
anything.
You could probably put

1839
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,240
professional pickleball there
and they'd sell out the venue,

1840
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,800
you know?
You're true.

1841
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,640
That's true.
And it's amazing because they

1842
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,720
built that arena and the arena
is always fucking full.

1843
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,600
And then there's an arena across
the street at The MGM Grand, and

1844
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:15,240
then there's the Mandalay Bay
over there, you know?

1845
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:17,960
And you know what?
They just have a million shows

1846
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:21,520
and all of them there's not.
Wonder how baseball don't you

1847
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,160
guys have a baseball team coming
right?

1848
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,200
That's the the.
Other corner that I just

1849
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,640
mentioned those three corners
and that's going to be on the

1850
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:28,360
other.
Corner.

1851
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,960
I wonder how baseball will do
because nobody really likes

1852
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,360
baseball.
Yeah, I don't either, you know.

1853
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,400
You know, and I and I can't, you
know, I think a lot would depend

1854
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,520
on when is hockey, I mean, when
is baseball?

1855
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,840
Is that a summer sport or a
winter or?

1856
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,560
You know, I don't even know the
answer to that.

1857
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,680
I should, but I don't.
I think it's I.

1858
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,360
Think it starts in like April is
like spring training March or

1859
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:54,240
April.
Oh right.

1860
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,160
And then it goes all the way
through into like November or

1861
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:01,200
something.
I guess the trick would be if

1862
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,120
that if they do that arena or
that stadium, is it gonna be

1863
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,120
covered?
Yeah.

1864
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:07,840
That's.
True, you know what I mean, I

1865
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,240
would guess.
You'd have to.

1866
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:13,000
I would guess you'd have to
because 120° sitting and

1867
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,840
watching a baseball game, I
can't imagine doing that.

1868
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,080
No.
And if the sun was coming down,

1869
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,000
you, you know what?
You forget it.

1870
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,320
Sit out.
Yeah, forget it.

1871
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:22,960
Have you been to a football game
yet?

1872
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,360
I have, I have.
I did one of the games a buddy

1873
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:30,280
of mine took me and it was it
was great.

1874
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,280
We sat right there on the end
zone and.

1875
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,040
It was like.
Yes, correct.

1876
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:40,200
Oh, and I, and I actually, I did
over there, I did the Pro Bowl,

1877
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,680
the halftime for the Pro Bowl.
So it was a Pro Bowl, but it was

1878
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,960
still the stadium and still like
a little halftime thing where I

1879
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,960
had to go out there and have my
lighting console.

1880
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,680
I got the program, whatever.
I got the program during the

1881
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:58,040
day, standing on the NFL logo.
They hit a roped off, said

1882
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,160
nobody can stand on this, nobody
can stand on this.

1883
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:02,680
And then when I was going like,
OK, I need to put my line board,

1884
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,400
the guy was going, OK, I'm the
only guy I could tell you this.

1885
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,600
You can stand in there.
Yeah, but take your shoes off

1886
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,560
console.
Yeah, yeah, I know, right.

1887
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,000
And I was going, Are you sure,
man?

1888
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,480
Because.
Yeah, because I'm the guy.

1889
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:14,440
And they put me inside there on
top of the logo.

1890
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:16,040
I was going, oh, this is
brilliant.

1891
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:17,760
That's so cool.
Yeah, that's cool.

1892
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:19,600
That's a picture that you want
to keep and.

1893
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:20,680
Yeah, I got that.
Yeah, you.

1894
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:22,760
Got a lot of good pictures on
the wall behind you I see.

1895
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,880
Yeah.
Velvet Revolver, did you do

1896
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,760
that?
I certainly good.

1897
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,040
That was a great band, a really
good band.

1898
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,520
And then that's all my shit
there.

1899
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,400
Damn, look at you.
Yeah, my ex-wife got all that

1900
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:37,400
stuff in the divorce, but it was
all hers.

1901
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,760
So what are you going to do?
I'm taking that.

1902
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,680
I want your Janet Jackson
platinum record.

1903
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,320
Yeah, well, Brian, I appreciate
you doing this.

1904
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,120
I know it was a pain in the ass
getting on and all of that stuff

1905
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,640
and no man.
I'm all good.

1906
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,440
I apologize for that, but no,
no.

1907
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:55,600
It's all good technology
technology.

1908
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:00,800
Yeah, and did you see my my, my
nifty little microphone?

1909
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,080
There I do.
Why is that colorful like that?

1910
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,600
What kind of was that?
I had to do a podcast or

1911
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,840
something like that and I went
and bought this one and that was

1912
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,760
the only thing I could find.
And, and then when I did the

1913
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,000
podcast, I can't even remember
who it was, but they were going

1914
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:19,040
like, oh dude, the the fucking
microphone is amazing, you know,

1915
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,280
so.
Maybe it was with Chris because

1916
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,960
Chris does a podcast.
Chris Kanzie, I did.

1917
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:26,880
Or he did do a podcast.
I don't know he.

1918
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,000
Still does.
He does, Yeah.

1919
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,720
And I did that.
I don't.

1920
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,480
It wasn't Chris, though.
It was.

1921
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,080
It was another it.
Was the Chauvet thing that's

1922
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,400
where you got the cup?
Maybe they.

1923
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,200
Interviewed you.
It wasn't Chauvet.

1924
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,600
I can't remember who.
Well, none of the other ones

1925
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:40,720
matter anyways.
Brian, don't.

1926
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,560
Worry about it.
Forget all those other fucking

1927
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,680
podcasts wannabes.
Bunch of.

1928
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,800
Wannabes.
Hey, man, I appreciate it.

1929
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,880
No, I appreciate you for one.
Time.

1930
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,120
I know you've been busy and and
I'm really happy that you were

1931
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:57,080
able to take some time and do
this because I've been wanting

1932
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,480
to get you on and and you
finally returned our e-mail, so

1933
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:01,920
that's good.
Awesome, awesome.

1934
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,240
But I'm going to reach out to
you and I'm going to come see.

1935
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,800
I'm going to come see that TSO
thing.

1936
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:08,480
I'll bring my girlfriend and.
You have.

1937
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,800
To pretend it's a date night.
We could do that and then we

1938
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,000
could do a follow up little
podcast, if that.

1939
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,240
'D be cool too.
Yeah, we.

1940
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:16,280
Could talk about how easy it.
Was.

1941
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,520
Once you see it, yeah, I know.
Once you see it, then your

1942
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:24,080
perspective is going to be like,
oh dude, I, I just couldn't

1943
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:25,120
believe this.
You know, I.

1944
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,000
Believe it.
You know, it's like somebody

1945
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,280
made me go to a Jean Michel
Jarre concert one time and I was

1946
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,800
like, what the fuck is that?
And it blew me away.

1947
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:39,040
It was just like lighting and
lasers and like so much tech.

1948
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,280
I couldn't believe it.
And it was in a stadium and I

1949
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,000
was like, man.
Where'd this guy heard of right?

1950
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:46,440
I never even heard of it.
Yeah.

1951
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:50,080
Jazzy kind of stuff, but with
lasers.

1952
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,080
So yeah, it was crazy.
All right, buddy.

1953
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,200
Well, thank you so much and have
a good one and good luck with

1954
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,160
everything.
And I'll see you sometime in the

1955
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:58,680
winter.

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