#252 - Dizzy Gosnell

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I just finished with Dizzy
Gosnell and great time, great

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chat.
Dizzy, for those of you who

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don't know, has been a VP at
Bandit for 40 years I think, Or

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wait a second, I think he
started in 85, somewhere around

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40 years.
Very rare guy who's had two jobs

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in like 45 or 46 years, two jobs
and so just incredible, very

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talented.
He's one of the guys who can

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take bits and piece them
together better than almost

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anybody.
Like send him a real problem

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situation where a rig won't fit
into a building or whatever and

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he'll have it figured out and
and re engineered and drawn out

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in a few days.
And we talked a lot about AI.

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He's very anti AI and you'll
hear that on this episode.

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So I really hope you enjoy it
and share it and like and

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subscribe and thanks again for
watching.

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Welcome back.
I'm here.

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So I'm up in Canada.
It's a little bit cold.

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I'm in the mountains and it's
not sunny today.

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It's kind of rainy and cold and
miserable.

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It looks like it's even snowing
up higher than my house up in

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the mountains.
And so yeah, it's a nice day to

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sit inside with a fire going and
just get a lot of work done and

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not be distracted by the beauty
of the outdoors and and the

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availability of lots of cool
things to do.

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Oh, welcome.
Yesterday episode #251 was a

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great one with Ola Melzig.
If you haven't listened to it

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already, stop now.
Go back and listen to 2:51 and

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then come back here again.
Today's going to be good as

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well.
But Ola was Ola was fantastic.

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If you know Ola, he's a
character, he's fun, he's

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interesting.
But he did just come off of the

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most recent Eurovision Song
Contest, of course, which is one

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of the biggest shows on Earth.
It's just a massive display of

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movie lights and LED screens and
audio and stuff, just all the

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latest, coolest technology at
once.

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And so, yeah, we had a great
discussion.

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Went on about 2 1/2 hours.
So go back and check it out at

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episode #251.
I'm not going to talk about AI

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today.
So there you go.

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I'm saving you from the evil
empire of AI.

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And so I'm hearing a deal is
imminent with four wall.

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Hearing that through lots of
different sources and I know

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they've been working on a deal
for a little more than a year.

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You know, this is the way it
goes When you are a private

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equity owned company, typically
there are these tiers of private

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equity.
So there's these guys down here

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that may go from 50 million to
250 million and then there's one

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that goes from 2:50 to 500
million.

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And then there's one that's
really their sweet spot is 500

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to 7:50 or to a billion.
And So what typically happens is

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when you first get an investment
from a private equity company,

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they specialize in, in smaller
entities or whatever, wherever

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you're at at that point.
And then typically their move,

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their play isn't to buy and keep
these companies.

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Usually what they're going to
want to do is buy the company,

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grow it and then sell it to that
next tier of private equity

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group.
So if you're in the, if you're

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in the 100 to 250 range, they're
going to want to sell you to the

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guys who are really good at 2:50
to 500.

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So they're going to want a three
to five X their money and then

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go to the next level to the next
tier.

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And so that's really all that's
happening here.

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It's not that all of a sudden 4
wall is a lousy toxic company or

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something.
They're a great company.

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Companies at that size and
companies who are private equity

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backed usually are very capital
intensive and they need new

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sources of capital, larger
sources of capital that are more

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suited to the size of their
Business Today than they are

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suited to the size of their
business five years ago or

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whatever.
So when Mike Cannon sold this

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company to what are they called
Genesis back several years ago,

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you know, they were the perfect
size.

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It was a right size match.
Now there's probably larger

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needs and a larger private
equity group wanting to buy the

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company and the smaller private
equity group wanting to get out

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and, and reinvest that capital
into other smaller companies

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that they can then grow to the
next level.

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So this is just how the system
works.

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Anything more than that is just
drama.

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You know, I've heard all kinds
of different versions of why

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it's being sold and it none of
that's true.

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It's really just going to the
next level, going to the next

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level.
And you'll probably see that as

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soon as they announce their new
owners, nothing's going to

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change.
It's probably good for the

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industry because I'm sure
there's been a lot of things

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being held back because of this
process that they're going

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through.
And so it'll be good for the

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industry, it'll be good for the
suppliers, it'll be good for

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their customers, it'll be good
for their staff who have all

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been basically in a holding
pattern for a year.

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And so I think it's a good
thing.

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I think you're probably going to
see a lot of acquisitions that

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happen right after the deal is
announced because I think

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there's probably some
acquisitions being held back as

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well.
And so, yeah, no panic.

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This is a good thing.
When large companies do deals

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like this, it's generally just
to find better access or cheaper

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access to capital.
It's got everything to do with

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money and it's not that
somebody'd cashing out and

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taking millions of dollars off
the table.

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So another thing, there's a lot
of gear freeing up right now in

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Europe.
And so if you are looking for

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gear, I would not suggest that
you just go hunting for small

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companies in Europe that are
Smalling, Yep, Smalling selling

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gear because it's probably not
the safest or or most

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comfortable thing for you to do
if you're based in the US or

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you're based in Asia or wherever
you are.

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We specialize my company and
this is very self-serving,

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little announcement here, but
Gearsource specialize in

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cross-border global transactions
where you're buying $1,000,000

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sound systems from Europe and
you're in Canada, which is a

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deal we recently did.
So you know, come to us and just

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say, hey, we're looking for 100
X fixtures, whatever they are.

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Do you have something available
and maybe you even have

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something in Europe and don't be
afraid because it's coming from

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Europe.
We can help with the logistics,

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we can help with certainly we
handle the transaction as far as

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currency and taxes and all of
those things.

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So we make it easy and the only
thing is it takes a little

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longer and costs a little more
in freight.

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But generally if you buy and
sell right, you can take

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advantage of currency exchange
rates or currency just

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fluctuations or things like that
timing.

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And you know, you can usually
buy really well by buying from

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another country.
And also from a supply and

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demand standpoint, there are
especially European

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manufacturers who sometimes you
can buy stuff used a lot cheaper

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in in Europe than you can in the
US And same with US

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manufacturers.
A lot of times European

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companies will buy it cheaper in
the US then they can buy it in

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Europe.
And that's typically because of

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distribution agreements.
So for example, if I manufacture

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a product in Italy and it's
€1000 and I sell it into the US,

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I'm going to discount that €1000
to a distributor.

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So let's say I sell it for €700,
that distributor needs to import

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it, they need to put it in
stock, they need to market it,

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they need to do all kinds of
things.

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So they eat up all of that
margin and they need to go over

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that €1000 price.
So they're going to sell it for

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maybe, you know, €1200 or €1300,
which would be $1500 or whatever

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in the US to their dealers and
still make the same margin or

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whatever.
So, you know, it's, it's

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something that I could go into
much more detail with if anybody

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wants to have a conversation.
But the reality is that there

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are a lot of benefits to buying
from other countries and there

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are a lot of hazards involved in
doing so.

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And we can certainly help you
maneuver that.

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But the point wasn't to try and
sell you something.

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The point was that we're seeing
a lot more movement on used

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gear, not just in the United
States.

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US is very busy right now with a
lot of summer tours and stuff,

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but there's a lot of stuff
opening up and certainly in

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Europe in a big way right now.
So lots going on.

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And what else do I want to talk
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Yeah, So our podcast, please.
You've been doing such a great

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I love a good story.
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yesterday.
So again, be sure to go back and

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listen to 251.
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Sarah will then engage you in a
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we're going to be in July and we
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hours like it was yesterday for
Ola.

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It could be one hour, it could
be 45 minutes.

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I don't care.
You know, if you've got a great

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story, let's talk about it.
So today's guest on episode #252

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is Dizzy Gosnell.
Dizzy has been on before and is

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has a great story to tell.
Talking about great stories,

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Dizzy is AVP at Bandit Lights.
I think he's VP of production

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there.
He's been a part of the Bandit

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family since 1993.
So quick math in my head, that's

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31 years.
That's a long time.

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And he first met Mike Strickland
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of Bandit, 40 years ago when
Michael was the production

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manager for Blackfoot and Dizzy
was on the lighting crew with

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Meteor Lights for Iron Maiden
and Meteor Lights.

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I don't even think they are.
They've been around for a long

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time now.
Dizzy began his lighting career

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in England in the late 70s,
touring with dozens of bands

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including Phil Collins, Iron
Maiden, ACDC, Paul Simon,

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Frankie Goes to Hollywood, lots
of others.

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Dizzy has an incredible
portfolio that you can now view

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online.
We're going to talk about this

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and Sarah is also going to share
the link to this portfolio in

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the show notes because it
actually is really, really

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interesting.
And this includes drawings of

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some of the shows he's toured in
the 80s that had no 3D drawings

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or renderings done at all.
And so since that time, he's

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gone out and created drawings
for them.

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We first had Dizzy on the
podcast back in January 2020.

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Again, we had no idea what was
about to hit us at that time, so

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we'll talk about that too.
That was episode #71 So please

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join me and welcome Dizzy
Gosnell back to the podcast

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today.
Hello, Dizzy.

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Hi.
Marcel.

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Are you still a left coaster?
Yep, absolutely.

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So it's it's still morning, so I
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Yep, absolutely.
It's only 10:00, so yeah, some

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people call specific time.
I'm at my place up in Canada, so

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I'm on Mountain Time right now.
OK, 11:15 for me.

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But yeah, so I appreciate you
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It's funny, 'cause I was looking
back, I, I knew that we had

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recorded once before, but I look
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sort of, you know, before she
had hit the fan, I guess.

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And I was, I was listening to it
to see if there were any clues

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or hints or anything that we
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moment and there wasn't.
So it's, it's crazy, you know,

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to.
Hear yourself wide eyed and wide

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eyed and clueless from here.
Yeah, just another year, you

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know?
Yeah, and but it it's funny when

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you listen back to yourself
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like nothing's coming, you know,
it's a regular time, regular

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year, everything's good.
And yeah.

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And then God knows what what we
went.

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Through everyone up.
Didn't it?

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Jesus, stupid.
It was stupid.

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But you know, and I, I remember
I had some fairly notorious

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memorable talks with people
where we talked about I created

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this thing that I called day 91.
I said, this is going to be a 90

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day problem.
And on day 91, what do you want

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to come out looking like?
Like, you want to come out

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better, You want to learn some
new skills or clean up your shop

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or whatever, you know, just
really dumb shit that that in

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the end just made me look stupid
because it became like day 391

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or 691 or whatever it was,
right?

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Yeah, it's like then coming out
was just being gay, isn't it?

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Still still coming.
It's like, yeah, I mean, when's

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it going to go back to normal?
But this is normal now.

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Like this is just the new
normal.

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It's because, you know, it's
funny, COVID created so many

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opportunities.
Out of death and destruction

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came new life, you know, and it
so in our industry, I think so

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many artists created these
massive or at least expanded

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these massive social media
followings during COVID.

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And so they came out like they
were shot out of a cannon when

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COVID ended because there was
just this pent up demand, but

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also there was just a bigger
demand based on the fact that

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they now had 10 million
followers and stuff, right?

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Yeah, and you see, like Dave
Matthews doing his Friday thing

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in his living room or something
like that, all those kind of

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little things, which I thought
was cool and and it it made it

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more 1 to one.
It cut out all the middle men

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from the artist to fan.
Yeah, I.

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Agree, all of the middle men,
record companies, promoters,

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book and agents.
I mean, God bless them, but I

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mean it just cut them out.
Of the I.

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Agree.
And there was no intermediaries

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and people felt more connected.
And I think, well, looking at

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the sort of Taylor Swift thing
that we got now, which is a

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complete absolute phenomenon,
yeah, I think that's a a big

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part of that as well as her
savvy business management in her

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camp.
Yeah.

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About sort of doing things and
not sort of bowing down to

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anybody else's things.
It's not radical.

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I mean, what she's doing, it's
not radical.

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It's pretty normal.
Like, OK with Scooter wants to

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like, take her to the cleaners
for the publishing rights.

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Yeah, I'll just do them again.
Next.

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Isn't that incredible?
I love that.

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I love that issue.
I mean, it's really clean and

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easy.
Yeah, no, I, I am, I am the

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furthest thing from a Taylor
Swift fan.

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But I'm certainly a fan of her,
her business acumen, the.

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Fact.
The model, her business model is

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do it.
That's how to do it.

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It's, in my opinion, a a fairly
average talent.

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You know, who has just created a
massive product from that

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talent, And I'm not saying she's
not talented, obviously there's

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some talent there and, and
somebody's writing some songs

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that are catchy and stuff, but
it's the business behind it that

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that has created that
phenomenon.

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And the mentality of of doing it
and doing it for the right

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reasons.
Agreed.

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Yeah.
And also utilizing what is

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available now.
I mean, there's a host of things

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I'm talking to later, but I
don't think Taylor Swift could

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be doing three nights or eight
nights total in Wembley.

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With any degree of certainty
that it's not going to rain

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there at Wembley and one of
those shows, ordinarily a show

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designed like that 10 years ago,
would be cancelled.

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Yeah.
Because you could never put all

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the video on the floor and all
the lights out way down the

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length of the stadium.
Yeah, and everything else out

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there and the sound different
now.

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But no, if it just rains.
I mean, I've seen like Taylor

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Swift singing the rain and
Rammstein just playing,

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crunching it and crunching it in
Germany.

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Yeah.
In bucketing rain in Dusseldorf,

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it's like yeah, we're just
getting wet.

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So what?
Yeah, But I love that attitude.

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It's just let's get it done.
But in the old days, you would

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have had to put bags on
everything and just.

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I know I.
Think that's been one of the,

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it's been one of sort of the
underspoken or under celebrated

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technology changes over the past
10 or 15.

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Years the IP stuff.
Yeah, I mean, and to be honest,

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giving them full credit, Elation
was one of the very first

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pioneers of it too.
You know, like certainly I think

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SGM as far as that larger
company, they were the first one

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to really come out with some
some IP rated fixtures, Elation

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said.
Hey, we're going full on into

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this.
We're going deep and everyone

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ridiculed them saying you're
making fixtures heavier and more

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expensive and there's so many
screws to open them and stuff.

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But you know, they were ahead of
the game and and it was a smart

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move.
You look at the metallic as the

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Taylor Swift, the Ram stars, the
ACD season, all those big

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outdoor summer stadium shows,
especially in Europe where it's

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it doesn't stop raining in
summer in Europe.

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I mean it it thumbs down.
So are you going to have a rain

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date or are you going to design
it?

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You're going to cover the whole
stage and the runway.

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Yeah.
Well, how many, how many more

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millions of dollars in trucks is
that going to cost?

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If you want to build a tank the
length of Wembley Stadium just

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as a runway, it changes the.
Entire economics of a, of a

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European stadium tour, right?
Yep.

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The fact that now it's rain or
shine, like unless there's

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lightning hitting the stadium or
something.

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But yeah, yeah.
But that's that's radical in

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extreme.
I mean, England, it's like it

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rains in the most a lot of
America too.

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It's the same kind of deal.
And the IP rated stuff is really

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made it better.
Obviously we're never going to

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get IP rated desks, I don't
think in my lifetime.

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But you can tent them up and
everything and, and racks and

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everything.
But it's the lights themselves,

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the, the business end.
And it's been one of my, my

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things for, I don't know,
probably the last 10 years is

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one of the best inventions for
lighting.

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There's been the liner rate PA.
Why is that?

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Because in the 80s we used to
have this wall of PA cabinets

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about 28 foot off the ground on
all sorts of metal shows that I

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was involved in and others, you
know, Rainbow and all the other

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big metal with the 1st
generation of of all in one

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cabinets and big walls of them.
And they couldn't, you know,

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there was no steering.
So the higher you had it, you're

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just firing at the back wall if
you had it too high, but it

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would completely mask anything
that was going on 28 feet and

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above with this 12 foot wall of
plywood.

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The prism, I mean, the, the
prism system with Shoko was the

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first step into that.
But now the line arrays at how

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small they are and how much they
can cover.

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And you can just put them on a
stick in the in the field, you

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know a 70 foot tower on the
field.

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Completely new lines of sight.
And we're probably also saving a

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lot of people's ears because
like the stacked systems of the

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80s and 90s and stuff, when you
had a bigger venue, you just

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turned them up louder, you know?
And so the poor people in the

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1st 20 or 30 rows were just
completely deafened, you know,

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like just.
The site restriction thing you

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put, you'd have to lay towers
halfway up the field, get down

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some festivals and Donningtons
and that kind of stuff with

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delayed towers, massive piles of
more scaffolding in the mud with

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PA stacked up, base bins,
middles and horns stacked in a

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just horrible.
Just stuff.

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Now is the line away, I think is
probably one of the biggest

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advances in the look of a show
that we've had.

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Yeah, I wonder when they.
I wonder.

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I wonder when they just start
handing out air pods at the, you

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know, at the door when you walk
in and everybody just.

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We've done Bonnaroo and they
had, Yeah, well, Bonnaroo with a

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silent disco and stuff.
They've had that silent disco

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tent for years.
Really.

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Yeah.
They've it's been, it's one of

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the smaller tents, but it's just
called the Silent Disco for

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years.
And it was basically just a

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closed system.
You put headphones on.

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Oh, that's cool.
If you don't have the headphones

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on, all we hear is like punters
squeaking in their Birkenstocks

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on the dance.
Floor.

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That's funny.
They're just like grooving with

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the, you know, overbite and
everything, getting it all down.

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Yeah.
So I mean, the sign of disco

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stuff is it works.
I've I've often wondered why you

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just give people, especially if
you have either curfews or noise

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limits.
Yeah, yeah, no, but I mean,

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going back to the whole COVID
thing, like you were mentioning

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that it was cool what what some
of the artists were doing.

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And you know, one of the ones
that I used to follow 'cause he

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put out so much content during
that time was Tommy Shaw from

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Styx.
And he would just, he'd sit in

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his living room with his dog and
an acoustic guitar and he would

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just sing old stick songs and
stuff.

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And it was really entertaining
'cause I happen to think the

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guy's mega talented still at his
age.

450
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,240
He still sings those songs so
well.

451
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,480
And the other thing that was
cool was the collaborations

452
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,720
being done like over Internet,
you know, where the drummer was

453
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,720
in Germany and the bass player
was in, you know, Canada and the

454
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,600
singer was wherever.
And they'd record a song and

455
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,600
then piece it all together and
the video would show them each

456
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,320
in their own place and stuff.
I love those collaborations as

457
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,760
well.
Some of them were really great.

458
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,880
Some of the ones were were not
actually like rock stars doing

459
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,880
it, but some like orchestra type
people, even kids and junior and

460
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,560
youth orchestras doing an Iron
Maiden song or a Rammstein song

461
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,120
like 12 or 15 of them in 12 or
15 different cities.

462
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,880
Yeah, by Zoom or Skype or.
Yeah, I remember some of those

463
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,760
things where they had thousands
of artists, like, didn't you two

464
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,560
do something where they had
people in Africa and people all

465
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,400
over the world singing and yeah,
yeah, I think so.

466
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,760
But there was a lot of novel
stuff I think that came out and

467
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,040
a different way of thinking and
the and the, the nimble people

468
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,800
survived, I think.
Yeah.

469
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,880
Well, and I think our industry
is one where, you know, if you

470
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,560
make a sit down for too long,
we're going to start dreaming up

471
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,960
some pretty innovative things,
you know, and I mean, you

472
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,880
certainly have done a lot of
that on your own.

473
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,600
But I I just saw so many cool
things come out of COVID.

474
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,160
And you know, if I look back at
COVID, as terrible as it was and

475
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,680
as many people who died and lots
of people lost their homes and

476
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,760
their businesses, and it's all
terrible, but I think it was a

477
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,920
net positive in, in so many
ways, I think COVID was a net

478
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,080
positive.
Plus the factors, you've been

479
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,960
one of the very few things that
was truly global.

480
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,520
I mean, every single country and
world wars were were not world

481
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280
wars all over the globe, you
know, in big parts of it, World

482
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,040
War 2, but World War Two didn't
hit like Peru or yeah, the land

483
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,040
mass of Australia or anything
like that.

484
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,680
So it wasn't global.
But yeah, not only every, not

485
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,160
only every country, but every
class, like rich people, poor

486
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520
people, famous people, nobody's
you.

487
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,600
Know.
Didn't matter who you were, you

488
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,680
were locked down in your house,
you know, and, and ordering food

489
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,160
on DoorDash or whatever, you
know it, it didn't care who you

490
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,960
were so.
I think it might.

491
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,920
I mean everybody from from like
5 year old kids who missed their

492
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560
friends at school for six, eight
months or whatever and they

493
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,840
really wanted to go out and play
and go to really wanted to go to

494
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720
school.
I mean, that was lower parents I

495
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,520
speak to, they've never heard
those words.

496
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,080
They they want a hundred ways to
not go to school today, but

497
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,360
after five and six months want
to go to school.

498
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,400
I want to record that because
it's.

499
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,000
They just wanted normalcy, some
level of normalcy back, right?

500
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,440
Yeah.
But it made.

501
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040
Probably the parents wanted them
the hell out of the house too,

502
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,760
you know?
Please go to school made

503
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,600
everyone appreciate what what we
thought was boring before they

504
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,080
we would crave normality.
Well, I craved LDI, you know, go

505
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,920
figure, like trade show and see
all my friends again and stuff.

506
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Like it was, it was just such a
weird time.

507
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,400
But yeah, I mean, again, I, I
look at the positives that came

508
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,240
out of it.
I think there's a lot of net

509
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,920
positive that came out of it.
You know, certainly your friend

510
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,600
and and owner became much more
famous and became a a

511
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,000
politician.
Through the process, Yeah, yeah,

512
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,840
very much an an unwilling
politician.

513
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,880
But it's just like, well, I
mean, I'll have a go.

514
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,880
And that was basically it.
It was my button.

515
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,880
I'll do it.
I'll do it.

516
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760
It was like, yeah, OK, I'll
just, I'll.

517
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,880
I think I can help.
I think I can help.

518
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Same thing I did on a much
smaller scale, but you know, I

519
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,440
did the same thing I said.
I think I can help here.

520
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,080
I think I might know some
people.

521
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,080
I think I might be able to
connect some dots and make some

522
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,640
things happen.
Yep, so it was good on that and

523
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,920
simple things like no using zoom
now as just a a standard thing.

524
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,320
In the old days we'd have had to
fly to Cincinnati for a site

525
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,240
meeting or fly to this and
wasted so much time and money

526
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,440
for 1/2 hour meeting.
Huge positive.

527
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,960
Three days of flying out, the
meeting that day.

528
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,280
You may fly home that night or
you'd stay over again and fly

529
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,560
back, you know, for a one hour
site meeting in a field.

530
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,120
And it's like, really?
Yeah.

531
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,640
And yeah, we're better than that
now.

532
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,120
And grandmas can talk to the
kids now.

533
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Even grandma have figured out
how to use Zoom.

534
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,760
Yeah.
So the connection was better.

535
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800
I think there's nothing to do
with Rock'n'roll, just general

536
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,000
connection.
Well, then, you know, things

537
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,920
other than Zoom happened too.
Like if for example, one thing

538
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,720
that happened during COVID was a
lot of companies created

539
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,280
competitors to Zoom or
competitors to Slack or these

540
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,920
other connecting online
platforms, remote platforms.

541
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,280
And I use one, it's called Rome
and it's incredible.

542
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,000
It's like it's been game
changing for my company and for

543
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,840
my my staff and stuff.
Just the way that it connects

544
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,440
people and the way that it makes
remote people feel like a real

545
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,880
company and feel like you're
connected and you're together

546
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,480
and stuff.
Yeah, I mean, just a lot of

547
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,120
great things.
And I think as as a whole, our

548
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,240
industry is, is certainly we've
fallen back into some of our

549
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,200
really stupid pre COVID ways.
But in a lot of ways we're so

550
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,120
much better than we were before
COVID.

551
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,400
And you know, I think that
that's going to continue.

552
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,560
I think COVID changed a lot of
things for our industry, mostly

553
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,560
for the better.
And so, yeah, I don't look back

554
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,600
at it and say it was all
terrible.

555
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120
I I look back at it and say it
was terrible, but a lot of good

556
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,000
came out of it.
And also think I mean other

557
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,040
things, again, not rock'n'roll
related, but things like video

558
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,800
medicine became the standard
thing.

559
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,240
Yeah, video doctors, yeah, I
mean, I will try to have that

560
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,840
when my kid was younger instead
of having to get every the

561
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,400
doctors because my kid coughed.
So I agree completely.

562
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,640
We're all going to the doctor's
kids more because I can't leave

563
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,160
you here on your own, so we're
all going.

564
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Yeah, yeah.
But no, no.

565
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520
That's a big one.
I never even thought of that,

566
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,320
but that's true.
Yeah, that's true. 24/7 I mean,

567
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,280
I, I had a thing where I, I
slipped on a well, my foot

568
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520
slipped on the edge of a curb
and felt the back of my calf

569
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640
just got a snap like that.
It just sort of went down.

570
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Jesus.
And it just swelled up.

571
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,800
And about two days later and
about 9:00 at night, and I

572
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,200
signed up for one of the telly
doc things, 15 bucks to sign on.

573
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,760
And I think it was like 25 bucks
for 20 minutes.

574
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,800
And it was an American doctor,
but he was living in France.

575
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,960
This is 99 o'clock at no 10:00
at 9 American time.

576
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,800
He was in France and signed up
because he said English speaking

577
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,600
preferred.
And but when he was just

578
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,640
happened to be there and he's
like, well, didn't matter where

579
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,880
he was at all.
Yeah, the the connection went

580
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
down near the end and we hadn't
quite wrapped up.

581
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,840
He called me back just to see if
there's anything.

582
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,800
He didn't just leave it hanging.
That's awesome.

583
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,280
This is really cool.
It was.

584
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,440
A better experience than going
in, right?

585
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,560
Yep.
Yeah.

586
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,880
Well, think about payment, like
think about how payment has

587
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,200
changed and how even billing
and, and you know, paying for

588
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720
utilities and all of those
things, so many things that you

589
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,400
used to have to do in person.
But payments like a lot of

590
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,240
times, especially here in
Canada, I don't even carry my

591
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880
wallet anymore.
I just have my phone and, and

592
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,680
you can pay with your phone
absolutely everywhere here.

593
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200
I haven't found a single place
you can't pay with your phone.

594
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,960
I found places you can't pay
cash, but I haven't found any

595
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,400
place you can't pay with your
phone.

596
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,440
And so it's like I, I barely
carry my wallet when I'm up here

597
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,200
in Canada, you know, in the USI
still do just because I feel

598
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400
like somebody's going to break
into my house and steal it if I

599
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:41,360
don't have it in my pocket.
So but but yeah, it's, it's, I

600
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,680
think there's a lot of really
positive things that came out of

601
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840
COVID and, and we have to
remember that stuff.

602
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,120
But like you said, the fact that
everybody's on Zoom like that

603
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,280
was one of the things that was
really weird for me early in

604
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720
COVID because I was already a
remote company.

605
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,600
I had 20 staff that had been
remote for seven years or

606
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
something, right?
And so I knew all of the remote

607
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,440
stuff.
And so I was training people on

608
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,960
how to use Zoom, how to use
Google Drive, how to use, you

609
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,320
know, different online platforms
that cause like a lot of people

610
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,480
pre COVID still had all of their
files on servers in a building

611
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120
that they weren't allowed to go
to, you know, so they couldn't

612
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,679
get to any of their files.
And I'm like, you have servers

613
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,320
like what the hell you doing so?
Just one and things like FedEx

614
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,080
was, was, you know, shaken down
for quite a bit as well.

615
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,040
The the delivery things, there
was limitations on pickups and

616
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,440
that kind of stuff too.
So if you needed to get big

617
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,120
drawings to someone, the only
way to get a big drawing file

618
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,080
across to someone was via
Dropbox or better Google Drive,

619
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,239
which I love Google Drive.
I think it's excellent.

620
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,080
My son was teaching people
during COVID, teaching clarinet

621
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,680
students privately online and he
was uploading like all the, the

622
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,440
teaching stuff, the papers and,
and the notes and everything.

623
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Here's what we're going to be
doing tomorrow, you know, do

624
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600
some practicing and we can
discuss it tomorrow.

625
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,360
And it was all remote.
It wasn't ideal as far as music

626
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,840
goes, a bit of latency and
everything, but it was a whole

627
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,600
lot later than.
A problem for music?

628
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:21,120
Yeah, it's a problem.
But you know, like similarly,

629
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,760
my, my girlfriend's
daughter-in-law teaches, she's

630
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Hispanic, she's from Peru, and
she teaches English to people

631
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,200
who want to move to the US or
who are moving or have already

632
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,320
moved to the US or whatever.
And she moved her entire

633
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,920
teaching system online and has
created a whole system of

634
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,080
curriculum and filing and stuff
all through Google.

635
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,920
I think Google has something
called Google Classroom now.

636
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,560
And so she she had her whole
school is through that and she

637
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,440
has tons of teachers and tons of
students.

638
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,960
And she showed me her whole
platform.

639
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,560
I'm like, wow, this is so cool.
Like, why would you go to a

640
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,320
school?
And that was the other thing.

641
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Like my son did home school
because of racing, but so many

642
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,400
people moved to home school and
went, this is way better.

643
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,320
Like this is way better than
sending my kid to crazy school

644
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,800
every day and not knowing what's
going on there and stuff.

645
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480
And so I think that was another
thing is, is.

646
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,440
I think in Poland some people,
some I got friends who really

647
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,560
thought the home school would be
a good thing and it ended up

648
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,760
being less controllable and less
advancing and definitely the

649
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,920
social aspect the kids missed.
Yeah, I thought it was a really

650
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,400
good thing 'cause my son is like
the class clown, the person

651
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,520
who's always interrupting the
teacher, as you could only

652
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,240
imagine knowing me.
But, you know, he was the

653
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:51,040
obnoxious gamer, funny kid in
class and stuff.

654
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,320
And so he was always in trouble.
And so putting him in home

655
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,200
school was actually a really
good thing for the educators,

656
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,000
but for his own education as
well.

657
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,760
And as far as the social thing,
like because he was racing at

658
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,000
almost every weekend, he was
always at race tracks.

659
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,680
He had nothing but a social
life.

660
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,760
So, you know, we didn't, we
didn't lack in that regard.

661
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,400
So it actually worked out
perfectly for him.

662
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,000
But I understand what you're
saying, how it could go the

663
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,680
other way.
So one of the neat things about

664
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,880
you, and I remember this from
our previous podcast, but I

665
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,080
think it's something like over
45 years you've had two jobs.

666
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,440
Yep.
Which blows my mind.

667
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,840
Like how many people can say
that you know?

668
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,360
My brother-in-law worked for the
same oil company in Calgary,

669
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Canada here for 43 years for one
company, but not very many

670
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,720
people, you know what I mean?
Especially.

671
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,440
Nowadays, certainly not ex Prime
Minister Liz Truss from England

672
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,160
for 45 days.
Nobody's lasting very long

673
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,880
lately, so.
But no, it's.

674
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,840
Yeah, that's been it.
I mean, there's been meteorites.

675
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,760
It was 8079.
Yeah.

676
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,760
Start working there now we're up
to 24.

677
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,640
Oh yeah, 45 years.
That is crazy.

678
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,360
That's why two years before
that, when I was on my own doing

679
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,200
my own stuff, clubs and pubs and
bars, but or two or three years

680
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,920
before that, yeah, I was
actually employers.

681
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Yeah, that was.
That's been it.

682
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Yeah, that is wild.
Two companies.

683
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,280
Just got my 30th last November
was my 30th year with Bandit.

684
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,720
Huh, that's wild.
I love it.

685
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,880
I love it and obviously no
desire to go anywhere at this

686
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,680
point.
I mean, who wants to start over?

687
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,760
Yeah.
But it's, I think I'm a good

688
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,320
place.
I feel comfortable and and the

689
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,600
business is in a good place now
it's.

690
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,680
Yeah.
I don't know.

691
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,080
There's something, I can't
really put my finger on what it

692
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,080
is now, but there seems to be
more acceptance.

693
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,960
There is.
There's a lot more stuff now

694
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,600
where a lot of venues that are
providing as far as we're

695
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,320
concerned, and probably the
sound companies too, where

696
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,960
there's three or four trusses of
stuff at a certain level of

697
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,120
show.
Yeah.

698
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,280
Where they've got three or four
trusses of stuff and it's decent

699
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,480
stuff.
It's not like a couple of

700
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,960
parkhands and a couple of likos
like it was 30 odd years ago,

701
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,120
but they've got good stuff.
It may be different, it may be

702
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,320
elation today, maybe Martin
tomorrow, maybe Ayrton the day

703
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,360
after, but it's relatively
comparable.

704
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160
You can put on a decent show if
you've got your druthers as an

705
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,360
LD and then just you carry your
floor package, which makes a

706
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,880
difference.
And we've been really, really

707
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,320
capitalising on on the floor
packages, making them swift,

708
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,080
quick, friendly as as far as
touring labor goes, just to give

709
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,040
some the the bands a different
look on the floor and filling in

710
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,240
the hole because so many shows
now are just looking the same.

711
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,240
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean.

712
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,200
I know, I know, gear used to
make all the difference on these

713
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,840
shows.
Like oh you know, we got to go

714
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,520
to a high end house or we got to
go to a very light house or

715
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,960
whatever.
Everything is so damn good right

716
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,680
now.
You know we're spoiled as an

717
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,520
industry because everything is
good, even even the off brand.

718
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Asian companies or whatever, you
know.

719
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,440
I think, well, I think the
accountants have driven that to

720
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,000
a greater extent because, I
mean, it's, it always used to be

721
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,080
like, well, we want Vera lights
and we go, OK, well, we got

722
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,800
Intelli beans said, oh, yeah.
But the old, no, the, the, the

723
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,280
production would say, oh, we
really want to have Vera lights.

724
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,440
And the account would say, if
any of the audience can tell the

725
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,480
difference between a very light
and an Intelli bean, then fine,

726
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,360
then, then we'll look at it.
But right now they're just, and

727
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,280
this is obviously 2530 years ago
when it was in this infancy.

728
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Yeah, Yeah.
And you'd have a dozen VLS or a

729
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,880
dozen I beans.
But nobody knows the difference.

730
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,360
The accountants, I mean, I had a
couple of conversations or yeah,

731
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,360
chats with different ones and
say, well, they want very well

732
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,640
be prepared for Intellivange
because I'm telling production

733
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,800
that if the partners can't tell
the difference for what we're

734
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,640
doing it with it at the time.
Yeah, just a bit of wiggle

735
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,080
stuff.
It's not an integral part of the

736
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,560
show.
It's more of the candy at the

737
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,200
time.
But that that mentality has kind

738
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,560
of stuck.
And like you, like you say,

739
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,400
there's a lot of good stuff.
If you want a good medium range

740
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,920
LED wash or a good medium range
beam hybrid beam lamp, or of

741
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,520
outdoor super mega spot which
can throw 300 feet or something

742
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,440
in the rain, there is that stuff
and two or three different

743
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,640
options for each.
Light or the B light or

744
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,800
whatever, because you can have
alternates now like they're

745
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,440
they're.
Taking a lot of the time, yeah,

746
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,880
they'll, they'll come out with
alternates out-of-the-box rather

747
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,400
than us asking them, could we?
Is there any chance we could

748
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,080
substitute this one for that
one?

749
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,280
A lot of the tours will actually
say I want this, this or this.

750
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,160
Yeah, sometimes they'll expect
a, a preference in one, 2-3,

751
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,400
this one, if not that, but
others, other people, and I can

752
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,200
think of a few good designers
who are really savvy, they'll

753
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,920
just say this, this and all
this.

754
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,160
And there's differences in each
lamp, minor differences in each

755
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,120
lamp with, yeah, macros and, and
just some of the little smaller

756
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,920
features.
But basically they're similar,

757
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,000
very similar lamps.
Well, I've been seeing a lot

758
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,840
more designers who, you know,
once they've selected the

759
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,360
vendor, they'll go to the vendor
and say, OK, what do you

760
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,520
actually have sitting here?
You know, let's let's like go

761
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,240
ahead and pick some fixtures
based on what you actually have

762
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,280
sitting here and.
And then you'll do.

763
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,560
Them some favors back, right?
It's a smart way of doing it and

764
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,480
a lot more people since COVID
have done that a lot.

765
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,440
More because.
And there's there's load of

766
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,320
options too.
Well, a load of barriers.

767
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,680
If we can get the stamps or
those particular apps, we could,

768
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,320
but the manufacturer can't
supply them until September.

769
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Yeah.
So we can want all we want, but

770
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,880
it's not going to happen.
The other thing it allows like

771
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,800
you and Strickland and, and your
purchasing team and whatever, it

772
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,880
allows you to manage your
business and not to just have to

773
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,680
go out and buy stuff on a whim
every single time.

774
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,840
You know what I mean?
Like, hey, we, we are partnered

775
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,120
with this manufacturer.
We have 1000 of these in stock.

776
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Would this work for you?
You know, and I just think

777
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,480
there's a a bigger willingness
now, it seems certainly the top

778
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,760
artists, the Taylor Swift's of
the world are going to get

779
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
whatever the hell they want.
Yeah, but but everybody.

780
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Else is, is their mass and
they're they're kind of they're

781
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,280
forward planning because I mean
Taylor Swift is not all we're

782
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,080
going out in two weeks.
I mean that's planned 612 months

783
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,280
ahead.
So there's a massive amount of

784
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,120
planning and forward planning
you can do on that, whether it's

785
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,920
budgetary for the for the vendor
or whether it's manufacturing

786
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,480
for one of the the lighting
manufacturers to say, well,

787
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,000
we're not geared up for that
yet, but yeah, we can get 350 by

788
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
next February.
Yeah, yeah.

789
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
And that's fine.
If it's like next Tuesday, it's

790
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,120
like, yeah, well, that's not
gonna happen.

791
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,640
Yeah.
How do you, how do you get on

792
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,320
new gear now?
Like do you, do you actually try

793
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,640
to see a lot of the stuff?
Like do people come and show you

794
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,920
new stuff or you don't really
care too much anymore?

795
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,040
I'll see it online or I'll yeah,
either as the demo online or the

796
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,120
OR a show with those particular
items in it.

797
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,680
If it's not the show we're
doing, there's someone else's

798
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,560
that's got that light on it.
Yeah, yeah.

799
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Mechanically.
And then I mean, Jake Tickle was

800
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,640
the main guy who's in in
Nashville.

801
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,760
I wouldn't say he's the
gatekeeper, but he's the one

802
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,400
who's got his most finger on the
pulse for all the new fixtures

803
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,600
because there are So what you
know, there's so many coming out

804
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,840
every week now, if possible to
keep up, you know, I'll go oh,

805
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,280
what about this like, Oh no,
there's an XB1 of those now.

806
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,240
There's really, we only got the,
the mark one out like 3 months

807
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,160
ago.
Yeah, yeah, the XB now.

808
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,120
So we're not going to look at
those.

809
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,120
So, and it is very much, it's
still a bit Las Vegas gambling

810
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,760
on which lamp you're going to
buy 150 of at one time or 300 of

811
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,240
Yeah, because you don't know if
if it's not going to be in

812
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,040
favour for whatever reason.
It's totally true.

813
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,800
Yeah, it's totally true.
Months time and the ones you

814
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,600
just bought haven't been paid
off for yet.

815
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,880
Yeah, but no, you might think
something.

816
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,520
You might think something is the
most beautiful product ever and

817
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,080
and if nobody specs it or nobody
accepts it as an alternate, you

818
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,720
know, you, you end up screwed.
But.

819
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,720
And to a certain extent, it
doesn't really matter what we

820
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,520
think as the vendor.
It doesn't really matter because

821
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,200
the, the, the production's
coming to us in the main.

822
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,400
They'll say, yeah, this is all
right.

823
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Well, that's all right.
But no, I've had bad problems

824
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,320
with that lamp, you know,
version C Yeah.

825
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,240
So I'd rather we've got hundreds
of them.

826
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:52,840
Yeah.
And it could be just that he

827
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,080
had, you know, bad experience on
the tour or he didn't like the

828
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,280
lamp or what it can do.
Right.

829
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Yeah, that makes sense.
Features or lack of?

830
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,080
Yeah.
But yeah, we, we try and stay

831
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,880
alert, but it's, I mean, it used
to be that pier I used to be in

832
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,440
the old days when it was Park
and Lecos I beams, colour faders

833
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,920
and verulite who are their own
thing anyway.

834
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,680
So we nothing we could do about
that.

835
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,280
That was basically us, you know,
the, the trendy new thing would

836
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,560
be a new colour of gel from Lee
or Roscoe.

837
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Yeah.
It was so much easier to worry

838
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,920
about the sound guys because
they had all their stuff, new

839
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,760
mics, new amps, new cabinets.
Oh, this is a full range

840
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,520
cabinet.
Oh glad I'm not in the sound

841
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,040
business, but lighting is just
crazy.

842
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:39,040
Sound is still pretty stupid.
I mean sound is like, and then

843
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,120
they'll spec like it can't be
the the KSI system.

844
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,160
It has to be the KSL, you know,
or the KSL 2.

845
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,600
There's a new KSL 2.
It's even better, you know, and

846
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,200
it's like that's a $2,000,000
purchase or whatever, you know,

847
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,360
it's not like.
Video going on with Five. 100

848
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,800
moving lights, Yeah.
So video was with half a Micron

849
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,640
resolution or something?
Crazy, crazy.

850
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,840
Yeah, Roe has cleaned up on
that, that's for sure.

851
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Roe keeps.
I mean, their product is

852
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,640
amazing, but every time they
make it a little more amazing,

853
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,320
somebody's got to go spend
$1,000,000 on another screen,

854
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,040
you know, and it's incredible.
I mean, it's, it's obviously

855
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,280
it's paying because somebody's
buying the stuff and somebody's

856
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,920
renting the stuff and whatever.
Yeah.

857
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,280
So, yeah, it's, I think it's so
funny when people come from

858
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,000
outside our industry and look
inside our industry at

859
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,600
financials and stuff and they
go, what the fuck is wrong with

860
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,760
you people?
Like what are you thinking?

861
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,920
Even even down to the the the
actual basics of a load in a

862
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,880
show and a load out.
They don't understand.

863
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,960
I mean, the average civilian
doesn't understand that, no,

864
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,560
this stuff comes down and goes
in those white boxes out in the

865
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,600
parking lot tonight and then it
drives to Omaha and does the

866
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,240
same thing at 7:00 tomorrow
morning.

867
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,520
They don't understand that.
And to this day, with all the

868
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,520
communication and all the MTV
behind the scenes and the access

869
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,480
like behind the scenes stuff,
and yeah, people still don't

870
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
really understand our side of
the business.

871
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,320
And I like that.
I think it's great that they

872
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,720
don't.
Yeah, it is until.

873
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,520
You're dealing with bankers and
stuff.

874
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,800
You know, when you do bankers,
you know, you are nuts.

875
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,280
We're not gonna do that.
And yeah, I mean, they just

876
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,160
don't get it.
You gotta try and explain it and

877
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,000
they don't get it.
But tell, tell me about this

878
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,720
Billy Strings tour, cuz I, I
read some stuff about it and,

879
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,760
and you know, like these pods
are, are pretty incredible and,

880
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,440
you know, certainly could have
been made more easily, but they

881
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,520
wouldn't have been perfect.
And I read about the sort of

882
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,640
specs and goals and stuff you
were trying to accomplish with

883
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:50,200
the pods and and and I think.
Genesis started off with with

884
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:55,160
Rodger Gant, the light designer
and Billy Strings in Europe last

885
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,480
year on the past, just pencil
and a legal pad.

886
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880
And oh, it'd be cool if we had
this kind of look and this kind

887
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,280
of look.
And then Matt Laravey from Luz

888
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:09,000
studios up in Canada was in on
the on the mix on that stuff

889
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,240
too, way before we got involved,
before they even put it out for

890
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,360
a, a quoting spec.
And then, and then we, we got

891
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,720
the, the spec to look at and
Matt from Matt Laravey from Luz

892
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,760
said, now, what do you, what do
you think about the sizes of

893
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,000
the, the pods?
Because they're originally

894
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,920
expected to be around about
between 7:00 and 8:00, eight

895
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,120
foot six diameter.
So well, to my mind, there's a

896
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,400
couple of things that 8 foot.
Well, First off, if we don't

897
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,560
want to have that many or any
joins in the pod because the you

898
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,920
get at least 4 inches of Dead
Space where you can't hang a

899
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,280
lamp every time you join the
sections together.

900
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,360
And which on a small pod is
that's a lot of real estate that

901
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,760
precludes you from getting even
spacing of the lamps, which kind

902
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,840
of blows the whole gag because
they wanted it even spacing.

903
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:06,960
So that gives you a lot of
problems.

904
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,960
And then just shipping of it
trucking, it said, how about if

905
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,600
we shoot for around about 7 foot
6 outside diameter from the pod

906
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,040
and make it all 111 unit.
And so all just about all the

907
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,800
lamps could travel in it in in
the truck.

908
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,560
The ones that hung on the
outside, they got some Geminis

909
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,640
just hung on the outside.
They they come off every day and

910
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,840
go in a wreck, but everything
else stays inside in the truck.

911
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,600
It just goes on the Tyler
wheels, but a curved version of

912
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,960
the Tyler legs with the straight
Tyler has.

913
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,680
So we got Tyler involved and
this is all very quick because

914
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,720
this was around about in the
middle of December and it

915
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,920
started going into rehearsals
end of January.

916
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,720
I think it was on time to get.
Stuff built too, you know.

917
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,440
Right before Christmas and LDI
just coming back from Christmas.

918
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,200
So people were just surfacing
back from LDI, the Christmas LDI

919
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,560
thank you Formula One.
So everyone just shuts down

920
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,880
South with with LDI at that
planning stage and then

921
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:14,040
Christmas slash New Year.
That's basically 1012 days over

922
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,800
Christmas shot down, yeah,
either for talking or actual

923
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,920
production.
So it got, yeah, it was kind of,

924
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,280
I mean, it wasn't a massive
amount of stuff.

925
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,960
It was 5 pods.
But to get them right to and

926
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,880
there's no R&D time, it was just
like they had to be done right

927
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,960
first.
To jump right to the front of

928
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,680
the queue, right and they have
to be willing to let you do that

929
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,720
right, especially with LDI, like
you said, you know, now they've

930
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,280
got all these new orders and
everybody wants their and.

931
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,400
Yeah, yeah, they're all going to
back to Tyler.

932
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,520
So you told me we were top of
the list.

933
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,840
And no, we're not because we
found it or or you've got

934
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,600
another thing going on.
Maybe not necessarily naming us

935
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:57,360
by by name, but I mean, yeah.
So those pods, they, they wanted

936
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,080
a certain look to the whole
thing and and there was not much

937
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,080
deviation from how they wanted
it to look with the sort of

938
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,960
tiered look with the centre lamp
down middle.

939
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:16,640
They also wanted 22 rows of T MB
LED like rope light.

940
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,120
I can't remember what it was
called now.

941
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,840
I can't remember what the name
was, sorry TMD.

942
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,800
But so there was a small inner
ring and then an outer ring

943
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,800
underneath the bottom corner of
the Truss.

944
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,560
So that had to stay on too in
the truck.

945
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,720
So that precluded us from
forklifting underneath the

946
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:37,800
truck, the Truss, the lift up
the pods, fork extenders,

947
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,360
because we had this LED rope
light on it.

948
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,840
So there was a lot of a lot of
weird little things we had to

949
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,240
do.
We wanted to make it so we

950
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,600
didn't have to strip the whole
thing because it would have been

951
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,280
another one or two guys on the
crew to do so.

952
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,120
It just had to be fast and then
be able to be stacked.

953
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,960
So they, I don't think they're
stacking them on tour right now.

954
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,280
They've actually built a loft.
So they just wheel the pods on

955
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,840
the deck and they built a loft
so that the rest of the stuff

956
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,160
straight Truss and stuff goes up
above it wheels up in the truck.

957
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,120
Yeah.
And that works out really well

958
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,280
for them.
They've been getting insurance

959
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
and outs done pretty quick.
But yeah, they were they were

960
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,960
interesting.
But they they're good fixtures

961
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,840
and there's just one big solid
pod round pod hollow.

962
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,520
There's nothing in the middle.
There's no it's just the outer

963
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,640
frame of Truss.
They.

964
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,920
Look really cool.
I, I, I looked at the pictures

965
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,080
and, and definitely, they look
really cool.

966
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,680
You know, it's funny 'cause I
don't really know much about

967
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,800
Billy Strings.
Like somebody sent me a song

968
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,280
once or something and I went and
listened to the album a few

969
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,760
times on, on Apple Music and I
was like, this is really cool,

970
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,840
you know?
Yeah, but it's technically isn't

971
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,880
it like bluegrass or something?
Bluegrass, but I mean he can

972
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,120
play pretty much anything.
I've seen video clips.

973
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,920
There was one of him playing
with string cheese incident and

974
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,240
he was singing Paranoid and he
was playing electric guitar and

975
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,640
singing and it sounded as good
as Aussie when he was 20.

976
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,000
That's crazy.
And he looked like Aussie when

977
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
he was 22.
So I mean, this is, I think it

978
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,520
was a clip from a year or two
ago.

979
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,320
But yeah, he just got him to
stretch his incident and they

980
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,920
played Paranoid and if you shut
your eyes, you wouldn't really

981
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,600
know the difference.
So I'm.

982
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,080
Going to have to go look that
one up.

983
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,080
He's a guitar Mitch that by that
boy, I mean, he's become a

984
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:31,320
guitarist, guitarist and he he
jams with a lot of people all

985
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,920
across all strokes of music,
country and blue glass and rock

986
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600
and metal.
Yeah, he seems to have really

987
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,840
created a, a, a real sort of
aura over himself, you know, and

988
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,160
and it's very cool.
But I also read about your I, I

989
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,800
think you had a pretty solid
relationship or have a solid

990
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,800
relationship with the with the
production production manager.

991
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,400
Is it Charlie Bryson?
Charlie yeah, I mean, we didn't.

992
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,920
We hadn't worked before, so, So
no, this is the first time we

993
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,760
worked.
He's, yeah.

994
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,400
It's just been really
comfortable and solid.

995
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,320
He's super approachable, really
mellow, nice guy, good at what

996
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,440
he does and just gets stuff done
in a low drama way.

997
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,920
But yeah, he's good fun.
He's he's good to tractor.

998
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,480
We haven't met yet still.
I mean, I'm going to the on the

999
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,240
left coast.
So it's all been another weird

1000
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,720
thing.
This is another weird thing post

1001
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,200
COVID right?
Like you can do these deals and

1002
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,440
manage the entire relationship
without ever having met.

1003
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,560
Well, I mean all the stuff I was
doing with Bonnaroo for 1617

1004
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,000
years and and hang out and
Firefly and all the other

1005
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,720
festivals we're working with
Lambda, I never went to any of

1006
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,160
the festivals.
I mean, our design doesn't and I

1007
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,560
hadn't Hipsley twice.
You know, Disney, I have staff.

1008
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,480
I have staff who have worked for
for me for 5-6 years that I've

1009
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:04,120
never met actually including our
producer Sarah, who, who we've

1010
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,200
been together for three years I
think and we've never met it.

1011
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,000
It's crazy.
I feel like I know everything

1012
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,440
about her, but we've never met.
So it's the new world that we

1013
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,680
live in now.
Yeah, no, no, but it's fine.

1014
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,800
Going back to Billy though, he's
he's really good.

1015
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,760
I mean, if he if him and his
four bandmates can do same arena

1016
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,840
three nights, yeah, that's
common.

1017
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,480
It's.
That big?

1018
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Well, it's, it's, yeah, I mean,
he's doing Asheville.

1019
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:39,160
I think he's two nights, two
nights in Worcester coming up.

1020
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,760
Yeah, 2IN Bridgeport, two in
Philly.

1021
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,840
That's intuitive.
These are arenas.

1022
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Yeah.
Two at the Greek in Berkeley and

1023
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,280
two at the Forum.
The Kia Forum in LA.

1024
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,320
That's wild.
So bigger than. 90.

1025
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,120
And this is a this is his first
big step up to it.

1026
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,680
He done some amphitheat, mainly
amphitheatres last year and

1027
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,400
arenas maybe won sometimes 2,
but it's it's gotten bigger.

1028
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,840
I'm gonna.
Ask more attention I guess.

1029
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,240
And his fan base?
Are they young?

1030
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,960
They're kind of all over the map
really.

1031
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,720
I don't, it's not like ghosts
where there's a lot of teenagers

1032
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,200
or anything like that.
It's, it's all over the map.

1033
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:30,680
It's very similar to a lot of
the five of kind of string

1034
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,680
cheese, Widespread Panic, Warren
Haynes, that kind of stuff, as

1035
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,640
well as younger kids.
And so it's it's different.

1036
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,760
Yeah, interesting.
I'm going to.

1037
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,600
I'm going to research some
videos and stuff and pay a

1038
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840
little bit more attention
because I had no idea it was

1039
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,480
that big.
Roger does a nice job lighting

1040
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,560
it too, and he's comes from from
a lot of jam band stuff, but

1041
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,080
he's been with Billy for quite a
while now and he does a nice job

1042
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,200
of operating and just getting
the vibe right.

1043
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,040
This.
And for me, lighting bluegrass,

1044
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,080
I don't know where I'd start or
stop, but is it?

1045
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,800
Is it?
Pretty much like busking or or

1046
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,280
is he?
No, it's it's programmed because

1047
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,960
there's a there's video behind
it.

1048
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,800
So it has to sort of coordinate
with the video.

1049
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:25,440
But there's a lot of, yeah, like
10 minute songs, but it's so

1050
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,960
there's a lot of stuff for this.
Is movement going on?

1051
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,360
Not always like big dramatic
beam moves and stuff, but just

1052
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,120
maybe chases with lamps going
off around the pods just in a

1053
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,160
circle and that that kind of
movement, not a big massive

1054
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,320
sweeps, although it does go to
that when it needs it.

1055
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,880
But yeah, it's it's not boring.
And that's the thing for me.

1056
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,640
I'd just be kind of tempted just
to stick a scene up and wait

1057
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,600
till the chorus and and change
it.

1058
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,840
But but Roger does a really
great job of of just keeping.

1059
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,680
It I'm going to check it out.
I'm going to check it out.

1060
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,080
Pot boiling, Yeah.
So tell me about V1.

1061
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,720
Oh, venue 1.
Yeah, I, I hadn't even heard

1062
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,000
about this.
I know, like, right now,

1063
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,840
rehearsal space is such a big
thing and it's a huge problem,

1064
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,680
obviously in our industry.
Like you can't get any.

1065
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,320
And so more and more rehearsal
space is opening up, which is a

1066
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,040
great thing.
Well, that that place is.

1067
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,840
That building is that was me and
Strickland and Mike Golden

1068
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,720
designed that place because
there was a need and every other

1069
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,840
buildings we were looking at to
move into from the the previous

1070
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,800
place they were either they were
not the right shape for the

1071
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,720
building for us.
It's in the wrong place.

1072
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,520
Truck access was a pig.
There's something wrong with it

1073
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,640
all.
It's too expensive.

1074
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,880
So just said screw it.
One of these build around.

1075
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,120
It's only a square box with a
big lot of fresh air inside it.

1076
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,920
And no, we'll build offices at
one end.

1077
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,320
So I mean, I've got all the
drawings for the stuff I did for

1078
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,560
the engineer and we gave it to
a, a, a building engineer and

1079
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,440
said, you know, can you build to
this?

1080
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:10,040
And said, yeah, so we actually
built that place which has got

1081
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,240
a, it actually looks like a
small theatre from the outside

1082
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:18,200
because it's got 25 foot, 20
foot roof in the main part of

1083
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,120
it.
And then it lifts up just like

1084
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,640
you would have in the fly.
In the back end.

1085
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,120
But I mean that, yeah, I think
it was 90 five.

1086
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,800
We opened that place.
I didn't even know this.

1087
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,040
I don't know why but.
And there was, we, we built it

1088
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,600
back then because rehearsal
space was, was tight back then.

1089
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,160
And we built that place right
then for, for the exact same

1090
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,240
reason that, you know, lots of
people want to come in then we

1091
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,600
had less gear, a lot less gear,
a lot less acts to deal with.

1092
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,440
So we stored the gear and then
built the rig in that shop,

1093
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,840
right?
And then we moved out of that as

1094
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:01,720
far as production and storage
goes to the current, what we

1095
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,440
call the International building
because it's on the

1096
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,120
International Blvd. so it's
known as National.

1097
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,840
And that's 130,000 square foot
building, like 20 loading docks.

1098
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,560
And that's where everything gets
done now.

1099
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,920
So we we emptied out any storage
and stuff and that building just

1100
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,880
does rehearsals.
But that's been standing there

1101
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,480
and doing rehearsals.
Exactly.

1102
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,600
We haven't changed the building.
And all this.

1103
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,000
Yeah, since 20. 5.
Yeah, that's wild.

1104
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,240
So and I'm guessing it's booked
solid these days, right or

1105
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,000
fairly?
Busy, not solid.

1106
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:39,560
We we build it, we give it away,
we do it for free so we don't

1107
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,440
charge the bands as long as
they're going to be using US for

1108
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,720
the tour.
It's just a service you provide.

1109
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:46,720
Yeah, Yep.
Wow.

1110
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,880
And it's always, it's always
been like that from day one.

1111
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,120
That's an extensive intention
to.

1112
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,440
Yeah, well, it's, it's worked
out well.

1113
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,120
We've had loads of stuff in
there.

1114
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,120
Yeah, no, that's, that's really
cool.

1115
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,200
I I just, I don't know why I
didn't know it existed, but when

1116
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,040
I started researching some notes
and stuff, I went, what's this V

1117
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,240
one thing I never heard of this,
but yeah.

1118
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,920
So you know, one of the big
things I really want to talk

1119
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,360
about, and I'm actually going to
do a screen share, which I don't

1120
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,760
do very often on the podcast,
but I want to talk about your,

1121
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,960
your drawings are legendary.
And I remember last time I had

1122
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,400
you on the podcast, you sent me
some Iron Maiden drawings right

1123
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,000
after it.
And I was blown away because,

1124
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,720
you know, I grew up an Iron
Maiden fan.

1125
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,600
I they, they got big right
around the time that I got into

1126
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,560
heavy metal or rock music in my
mid teens or whatever.

1127
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,640
So yeah, you sent me some of
these early.

1128
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,280
Drawings of the renderings from
the Yeah.

1129
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,240
Yeah, yeah.
And it just blew me away.

1130
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:56,280
And so, you know, I mean for me,
like why, why did you start

1131
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,000
doing that?
What was the motivation behind

1132
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,040
that or the the need?
Well, it really kicked off with

1133
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,800
with COVID because there was not
a lot of stuff.

1134
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,720
We weren't allowed to go out at
nights.

1135
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,160
Even if you could go out at
nights and no one was open, all

1136
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,640
the bars and restaurants were
closed.

1137
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,000
Just boredom.
I don't have wife, girlfriend,

1138
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,080
my son sound like a country song
there.

1139
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,240
My son had left me.
My dog died, but no, my son was

1140
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:27,760
living in another house about 10
miles down the road because he

1141
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,520
was at college.
So I was just on my own.

1142
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,880
So I just thought, you know
what, this if only really for

1143
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:40,680
me, I I call it my digital
tombstone really for only for me

1144
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:48,000
just to get back to what those
rigs look like because back was

1145
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,040
not anything to speak of, not
like we have now got real.

1146
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,440
Yeah, the a lot of times I did
the whole tours where we never

1147
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,560
took a photograph of the whole
rig ever.

1148
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,240
So this is like sort of the only
memorialization of the basically

1149
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,600
of the whole show.
That's why.

1150
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,720
Exactly.
I thought, you know, these are

1151
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,760
kind of interesting and they
broke the mould.

1152
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,240
And that particular one you got
the screenshot of there, the

1153
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,360
ACDC rig in 83.
That was when at Meteorites we

1154
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,680
built the first Thomas Prewig
Truss with James Thomas,

1155
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,200
obviously.
Yeah, that was the first tour

1156
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,480
that the Thomas Prewig Truss was
on.

1157
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,360
That is incredible.
So I thought, you know, it's

1158
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,720
kind of interesting stuff.
And yeah, we got, no, we got

1159
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:41,560
extra bright lights with die
bees and gobo shaking and all

1160
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,040
this kind of stuff.
But when it was just park hands

1161
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,360
and lots of them, a lot of
aircrafts.

1162
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,280
Yeah, I mean.
Four guys are going up focusing

1163
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,760
for an hour in the afternoon
and.

1164
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,320
Yeah, You know what's wild
though is, is like, I saw this

1165
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,800
show.
You know what I mean?

1166
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,040
I remember this, Rick.
I I was a punter, you know, I

1167
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,440
saw it and 90.
Three.

1168
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,120
That one was.
Yeah, yeah.

1169
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,600
I mean, it's, it's incredible.
These are what are you using to

1170
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,680
create these drawings.
That was AutoCAD.

1171
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,120
AutoCAD.
And accu render NXT for the

1172
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:20,640
rendering I just wanted to.
I basically wanted to leave it

1173
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,200
just at the lights, not bother
with the stage set or anything

1174
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,520
like that.
The PA because.

1175
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,880
Yeah.
It's not really.

1176
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,960
I mean, some of the states, I
can't remember what the exact

1177
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,880
dimensions were or the sets and
everything, so I just wanted to

1178
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,320
leave it at the lighting systems
because that's what I do.

1179
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,360
And just how we hung it.
And then there's some pictures

1180
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,640
at the footnote of of what went
on.

1181
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,760
But now, yeah.
So basically it was just it was

1182
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,280
like a hobby just to sort of tie
the ends.

1183
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:59,000
And some of the Maiden rigs
tooth on 85 no 84 slash 85 the

1184
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,600
world.
Yeah, that was one where we

1185
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,640
toured a grid.
And I think, I think someone may

1186
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,160
come up and say, no, this you're
wrong.

1187
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:13,880
But Iron Maiden was one of the
first on a previous tour, 1983,

1188
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,800
the Peace of Mind tour.
We toured a small grid there and

1189
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,640
then we were one of the first
people to tour a grid, a mother

1190
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,880
grid.
Those points we could get, those

1191
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,440
points were all on.
On this particular one, the

1192
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,200
World Slavery Tour for Power
Slave, all those triangles were

1193
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,520
moving during the show.
Yeah, and they were very tight.

1194
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,640
There's probably 6 to 9 inches
brushes.

1195
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,440
Yeah, I think the one, I think
the one before this had lifts.

1196
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:44,200
Yeah.
There you go.

1197
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,920
Yep.
Yeah, that was, yeah, we, we

1198
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,640
could fly on manual chain blocks
if this is because we didn't

1199
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,040
have enough money or Maiden
didn't have enough money for

1200
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,200
chain motors at the time, right.
And we just had the Falco chain

1201
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,200
block.
So if we flew it and we did it,

1202
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,720
50% of the holes replayed that
we just like zoom, zoom, zoom,

1203
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:08,040
zoom, zoom the manual chain box.
Oh, and these are trust spots,

1204
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,240
Yeah.
Yeah, that's that was the

1205
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,080
American version of the system
that started around about N84

1206
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,560
after we did about four or five
months around Europe.

1207
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,240
Yeah.
And so for all you young kids,

1208
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,080
these things here that you're
looking at on the screen are

1209
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,480
park hands and there are no
moving lights in this rig.

1210
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,440
So yeah, it's pretty wild.
No, the whole basically because

1211
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,440
there are no moving lights.
You just said, oh, I'll move the

1212
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,760
trusses to move the lights.
Yeah, exactly.

1213
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:39,080
And that yeah, all those lamps
were were focused that top that

1214
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:45,200
Truss was a special Truss.
It was 30 inches wide, the same

1215
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,880
width as pre rig and the same
height as a type.

1216
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,880
The 20 1/2 inch Truss, all these
short nosed cans in it on a

1217
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,320
gimbal frame, so it was like
A-frame it, it could gimbal

1218
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,080
anyway on a double yoke.
So he didn't restrict any

1219
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,440
movement on it.
If you, you can see some of the

1220
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,800
close-ups of it, how the lamps
moved.

1221
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,640
But once they were, we focused
it once in Brixton and we did

1222
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,880
tech rehearsals there and once
Dave Lights, the LD was happy

1223
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,600
with the focus.
We just went round after dinner

1224
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,200
one time and everyone else was
at dinner.

1225
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,920
We lowered the rig down, yeah.
And we very gently, we got two

1226
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,479
wrenches and we super locked
both of the Binks nuts super

1227
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,120
tight.
So we effectively welded the the

1228
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,800
lamps focused.
Yeah.

1229
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,000
For the whole tour, the whole 18
months, we only focused to ring

1230
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:35,680
one.
Really.

1231
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,160
You never had to focus?
Wow, that saved a lot of time.

1232
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,240
Yep, and and a lot of amusement
too.

1233
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,880
I mean Dickie Bella, production
manager.

1234
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,560
I remember in some venues that
Steward had come up to us and

1235
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,960
said so how many lunch you guys
are going to want to focus this

1236
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,800
afternoon then?
Yeah.

1237
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,279
Think we should do the focus?
I don't think we're in the mood

1238
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,960
to focus today.
Yeah, yeah, just forget about

1239
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,880
it.
You've got to focus on lamps,

1240
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,160
man.
No, no.

1241
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,000
Sometimes you just do that.
We just don't bother focusing it

1242
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:08,720
now.
Screw it.

1243
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,279
Yeah.
And the steward would walk away

1244
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,439
going.
Yeah, it was.

1245
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,279
It was like you didn't like this
new rig in what year was it

1246
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,080
1986?
You didn't like the 86 rig that

1247
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,479
we're looking?
At anytime that was a that was a

1248
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,359
good rig.
It was that one.

1249
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,720
We did a test version of that if
you like in from the previous

1250
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,920
tour.
I think it was, I think it was

1251
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,439
somewhere in Cornwall St.
Ives.

1252
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,040
I think maybe we did with Aiden
and we couldn't get anything

1253
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,279
close to the full rig up.
There wasn't enough ceiling

1254
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:43,840
height.
So we we hung the trusses in

1255
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,760
very similar configuration to to
that particular rig somewhere in

1256
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,880
time rig Dave Light said, oh,
that's kind of cool.

1257
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,200
I like that.
So yeah, keep that my back

1258
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,440
pocket.
And that's kind of how the that

1259
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:59,960
rig worked out on the following
tour after the Power Slope tour.

1260
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,080
So for people who are listening
and not watching this on YouTube

1261
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,960
or on Spotify, you know,
obviously we're looking at at

1262
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,840
these drawings from Dizzy's
portfolio, but Sarah is going to

1263
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,520
include the link to this website
in the show notes.

1264
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,800
And so you'll be able to go and
look at it yourself.

1265
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,680
And Dizzy even says right on his
page somewhere.

1266
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,240
I think it's at the bottom here.
All renderings done by me, Diz.

1267
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,480
And by all means, download them
if you like, but please credit

1268
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:33,200
me as the author.
And so, I mean, there's some

1269
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,000
really cool stuff on here.
Like there's, there's some stuff

1270
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,320
that, you know, I it's almost
frame worthy where you'd frame

1271
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,520
it and hang it on your wall with
an Iron Maiden logo below it or

1272
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,680
something.
Just really, really cool stuff.

1273
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,080
I love.
The drawings I've been doing, I

1274
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,640
made those Maiden and ACDC logos
in 3D as well.

1275
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,760
I made them as full three.
They want copy.

1276
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,520
That's crazy.
That's wild.

1277
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,280
Yeah.
Like a color room and give them

1278
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,960
shading and you can see shadows
in them.

1279
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,880
And the bell too.
That was my was really proud of

1280
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,880
the bell.
That was the Bell's beautiful

1281
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,240
birthday.
Yeah.

1282
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,240
It's really pretty much bang on
accurate too.

1283
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,360
So this is probably hobby sort
of stuff for you, like, oh, it's

1284
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,520
just a passion for you, right?
Yeah, and also get your keep

1285
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,960
your chops up with 3D stuff as
well and just push, push

1286
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,960
yourself because it's it's not
just like bolting Truss

1287
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,000
together.
All of that stuff was created

1288
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,120
from scratch.
I mean there was no off the

1289
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,680
shelf punk cans or off the shelf
Truss in the three when you see.

1290
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,360
When you see how young Brian
Johnson is in his picture, it's

1291
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,360
crazy.
Angus is as well, but yeah.

1292
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,600
It's so Angus as well.
Yeah, seeing the pictures of

1293
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:43,680
them now is not so not so young.
No, but then I think to myself,

1294
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,240
well, yeah, if you before you
shout, dude, start looking in

1295
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,240
the mirror itself, man, 'cause
you know it's true.

1296
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,000
I'm not a teenager anymore.
So while while we're on this

1297
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,160
site, the other thing I want to
look at is this, this stuff

1298
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,520
where you're going into all
these shipping containers again,

1299
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:04,880
another really cool.
Just a bunch of poppy shit that

1300
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,480
just that, yeah, did any of
this.

1301
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:11,720
Ever turn into anything?
No, not in, not manifested in,

1302
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,480
in reality.
Not that I've seen from my end.

1303
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,320
I mean, a lots of that kind of
stuff exists out in the world,

1304
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,960
but nothing that I've doodled up
has come clear.

1305
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,560
I mean, I've seen other people
obviously work with container

1306
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,200
housing, you know, some of the
whatever they call them, tiny

1307
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,720
houses or whatever with made out
containers.

1308
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,920
You know Gumper from what the
heck is his company called AG?

1309
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,160
Yeah, with the mega structures
and stuff.

1310
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,520
Gumper did some hospitals during
COVID.

1311
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,480
He was creating mobile hospitals
out of shipping containers for a

1312
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:51,200
little while.
But.

1313
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,880
Some of these, some of these
were drawings I did 2025 years

1314
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,240
ago and then about 10-15 years
ago, again, it was night time

1315
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,960
projects.
If if when my son was small and

1316
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,760
me and his Thomas was living
with me at the weekends and

1317
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,640
stuff.
I couldn't go out Friday,

1318
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,440
Saturday and Sunday nights or
even Monday nights because he

1319
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,160
was with me all the time and he
was night and he's six years old

1320
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,920
and he was in bed.
So I'd be sitting there just

1321
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,160
going, OK, what I'll do is
nothing on TV.

1322
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,840
So I'll just sit at the kitchen
table with my laptop.

1323
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,160
Then on this, just doodle this
stuff up at night.

1324
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:33,720
But the the concept for housing,
was that based on a need for

1325
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,000
less expensive housing or to get
rid of containers?

1326
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,520
What was it?
What was the?

1327
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,960
Motivation.
I mean, containers are cheap.

1328
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,920
They they're available.
There's about three, I think

1329
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,200
major manufacturers in China
that just crank them out like

1330
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,080
nothing.
And a lot of they end up being

1331
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,040
one way.
I mean, they come from China to

1332
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,200
here and then they sit here on
the West Coast.

1333
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,040
There's a lot of empty ones
around, but well.

1334
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,720
Especially pre COVID, there were
a ton of yeah.

1335
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,520
Yeah, yeah.
And it was just it's an

1336
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,240
interesting unit to me, either
40 footer or 20 footer.

1337
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,120
I don't bother with the 50
threes or anything like that.

1338
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,680
But yeah, there's some ones in
ground pool where the, the IT

1339
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,480
was an open for things like bulk
goods like gravel and stuff and

1340
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:25,080
just seek the you'd line the
open top container and make a

1341
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,240
pull out of it.
And then underneath the low end,

1342
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,320
you'd have all the filtration
and pumps and stuff in the

1343
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,880
units.
But I just like with the

1344
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,560
simplicity.
I've been big into prefab

1345
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,520
housing.
I'm a huge prefab housing

1346
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,880
proponent and building in steel,
especially living around here

1347
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,560
too with the with the fires we
get building in steel is a

1348
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,360
there's another plus an
earthquake.

1349
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:55,560
Is there there's some aspect of
this where I think like shipping

1350
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,560
containers can only be used so
many times before they fall out

1351
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,040
of like sort of engineering spec
or whatever?

1352
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,600
I'm not sure.
I haven't heard all it is.

1353
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,680
I'm not sure how how long
they're what they're sort of

1354
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,640
seaworthy life is.
Right.

1355
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:16,360
But I mean this the the just the
strength of them is, yeah,

1356
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,400
doesn't mean when you have them
8 high on the deck either above

1357
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,440
or below deck of a container
ship, 8 high on the high seas in

1358
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:26,760
the Pacific, in the storm and
they're still working.

1359
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,320
Yeah, yeah, the ones at the
bottom are taking a serious

1360
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,000
beating.
Yeah, I think the the 20 footers

1361
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:39,720
can have, I think it's £20,000
per container in the 20 footer.

1362
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,720
So if you talk, you've got
seven, 20,000 lbs on top of the

1363
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,040
bottom one.
So they're built pretty well and

1364
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,400
they're termite proof.
They're fire resistant.

1365
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,120
They're completely recyclable.
I mean, if you don't like it,

1366
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,960
you just melt the whole
container down and make a fridge

1367
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,080
out of it with car.
That's hilarious.

1368
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,520
So I just like the whole concept
of of them as a unit, you know,

1369
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,240
as a Lego block.
Really.

1370
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,000
Yeah.
Just such a cool concept.

1371
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,240
I mean, I really, I thought
those drawings were incredible

1372
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,960
when I saw them.
And what a hobby you have.

1373
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,760
You know, it's, it's just that
kind of stuff.

1374
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,840
And one of my favorite is a
bridge right now.

1375
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,360
It's like a swing bridge.
Yeah, I I saw that one as well.

1376
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,160
Actually.
Let me pop.

1377
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,320
It looks like a suspension
bridge slash cable stay bridge,

1378
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,320
but it's.
Actually, yeah, I saw that one

1379
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,760
as well.
Container based bridges, right?

1380
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,640
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the one.

1381
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:36,640
Yeah, that's.
Nuts.

1382
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,680
Just for somewhere like, you
know, which is low grade, you

1383
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,800
wouldn't get any major shipping
going underneath, right?

1384
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,800
For that, it's just yeah, but it
looks like one thing.

1385
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,320
But then when it splits apart, I
just like the visual kind of pun

1386
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:52,400
of.
That thing, yeah, it's really

1387
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,640
cool.
Very cool.

1388
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,480
Very industrial looking
obviously.

1389
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,440
And just filled the 20 foot
container at the bottom has a

1390
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,880
has a motor in it and it's just
filled with like about 20 tons

1391
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,120
of ballast.
Right.

1392
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,080
Yeah, that's so pretty easy and
cheap.

1393
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,240
Yeah, very, very cool.
So yeah, like I said before,

1394
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,920
Sarah's going to include the
link to this in in our show

1395
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,760
notes so that everybody can see
it, because I think it's worth

1396
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,120
looking at.
It's it's pretty cool.

1397
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:25,240
And certainly the the concert
drawings, the the are really

1398
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,000
cool.
The renderings that that you've

1399
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,480
done are really, really cool and
worth taking a look at for

1400
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:30,080
people.
Well.

1401
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,720
Thank you.
I mean, they were, they were

1402
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,920
basically because the papers, to
my knowledge, none of the

1403
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,480
drawings of any of those rigs
exist anymore.

1404
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,720
So that was done from memory
when I was building the rigs.

1405
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,200
That's why I stuck with stuff
that I was on tour with because

1406
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,160
I can remember them even now.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

1407
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,280
And looking at photographs and
and the few photographs that do

1408
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,520
exist of someone and go, that's
right, we did that like this.

1409
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,400
But I mean, it was just how we
did things because none of it

1410
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,000
existed back then.
You had in the old pioneer days

1411
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,080
of lighting.
If it didn't exist, you had to

1412
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,320
invent it yourself.
Well, I also read that that

1413
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:11,000
Steve Harris saw some of your
drawings and and the bass player

1414
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,960
from Iron Iron Maiden and he
loved them and said please do

1415
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,600
more.
Yep, he did exactly that.

1416
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,760
That's why.
Bloody hell mate, they're great.

1417
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,600
So I thought I took that as a
plus.

1418
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,520
Another one that one of ones I'm
working on right now is my sort

1419
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:31,240
of night time project is the
Paul Simon Graceland Tour rig

1420
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,520
and also the Phil, the Phil
Collins, but seriously too,

1421
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,640
which had a big carousel and
that was the Jonathan Smeaton

1422
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,440
design.
But the IT looked like carousel

1423
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:47,200
and it opened up and it just had
VL twos and VL fours in it

1424
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:50,840
primarily in a few park ends.
So, but that's where the one

1425
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,640
where do you?
Get the information to draw

1426
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,640
these like.
It's not from memory, is it?

1427
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,640
Most of it is from just memory
and yeah, there's hardly any

1428
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,680
paperwork kicking around on any
of these rigs.

1429
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:06,520
So it's the odd photograph and
just, yeah, I suppose it's just

1430
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,080
a kind of muscle memory built in
my head here.

1431
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,600
How many was it?
A5 footer on a 7 foot six.

1432
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,480
And when you're dealing with pre
rig Truss, I mean, I don't, I

1433
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,800
can't remember where the lamps,
what lamp type all of the lamps

1434
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:18,720
were.
Yeah.

1435
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,600
But I mean the, the structure
itself was relatively

1436
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,240
straightforward on on a lot of
those rigs as as far as memory

1437
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,160
how we did it.
That's really incredible.

1438
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,840
That's cool.
So how long does it take like

1439
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,320
for you to go and do like that?
Iron Maiden one is, are we

1440
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,760
talking about weeks or?
Yeah, that the, the, that was

1441
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,440
the first big one I did was the
slavery tour and I had to create

1442
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,600
a lot of the stuff from from
scratch.

1443
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,200
And there, that took a couple of
weeks and just fine-tuned the

1444
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,800
renderings, get the angles and
the lighting right in the

1445
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,240
renderings and tweaking a little
bit.

1446
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,520
A lot of this kind of stuff is
the old 8020 rule, 80% of the

1447
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,840
stuff takes 20% of the time and
the remaining 20%, that's the

1448
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,320
detail, takes 80%.
Yeah, it's true.

1449
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,520
Any drawings and renderings that
holds true today?

1450
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,240
Are you engaging any AI yet to
help you on these drawings?

1451
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,040
No, not at all.
No interest.

1452
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:16,040
I've got glasses, that's about
it.

1453
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,280
That's.
As far into technology as you're

1454
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:23,080
going on.
I'm not a huge AI lover.

1455
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,040
I don't know, there's something
I, I wouldn't say distasteful,

1456
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,760
but it's kind of close for the
entertainment industry to

1457
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,480
consider AI.
We're back into Milli Vanilli

1458
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:35,480
ground again.
Lip syncing, you know, that's

1459
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,680
what are you going to do it?
Yeah, sort of.

1460
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,800
Just put a big sign of created
with AI if it wasn't a guy doing

1461
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,160
it with a pencil or a or a
stylus on a on a Photoshop on a

1462
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,880
tablet or something.
But if it's some machine, you

1463
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,640
know, putting Donald Trump's
face on the front of a train or

1464
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,600
something, yeah, OK, Well, if AI
did it, it's not our.

1465
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:03,440
Well, so, you know, I'm pretty
up on AI and yesterday I had Ola

1466
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:04,880
Melzig.
Do you know Ola?

1467
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,720
He does Eurovision, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1468
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,800
So I had him on and he's, he's a
trip, he's fun.

1469
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,240
And I always talk about AI in
our intros.

1470
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:19,400
I, I, because I know how most
people in our industry feel

1471
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,320
about it.
So a lot of it is just

1472
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,000
confirming your feelings.
And some of it is, is to say,

1473
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,760
hey, you know, how about AI
doesn't replace Dizzy, but AI

1474
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,920
makes Dizzy's job a little bit
easier.

1475
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:37,240
Not creating, you know, stuff
that's creative, but the things

1476
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,960
that are tedious, you know,
where you're creating a piece of

1477
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,280
trust that you need to be able
to create the drawing.

1478
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,040
It can create the trust for you
and make it easier, you know,

1479
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,000
speed it up by a couple of
hours.

1480
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:55,240
But anyways, so the intro or the
bio that I read for Ola, our

1481
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,640
recording software that we use
for this podcast, Riverside has

1482
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,560
something in it called AI Voice.
And I said, OK, I'm going to try

1483
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:08,480
this thing and see what it does
just for a, just to present to

1484
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:12,120
the listening audience, right.
And So what I did is I copied

1485
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:16,360
and pasted the text from Ola's
bio and then had it read it back

1486
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,400
for me.
It was, it blew my mind.

1487
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,280
It used, so I have a cold right
now, so my voice is raspy and

1488
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:28,240
shitty and it used my cold voice
and read Ola's bio.

1489
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,360
And I mean, even if you know me
pretty well, you'd listen to it

1490
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,040
and go, yeah, you just read his
bio, but it wasn't me.

1491
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,480
I just put the text in there and
it read it.

1492
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:40,360
And so it's a bit scary how.
That's what I find, yeah.

1493
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,400
That's what I find kind of
distasteful about it.

1494
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,760
Yeah, it's almost.
Theft.

1495
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:46,840
Yeah, I mean, I know that.
Who was it?

1496
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,680
Scarlett Hanson.
I think she had her voice taken

1497
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,840
for some movie clip or something
like that and she's showing

1498
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,360
supposedly.
Allegedly.

1499
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,480
Allegedly.
Yeah, I mean, your voice is your

1500
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,400
property, just like if you know.
There was an argument as to

1501
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,240
whether or not would it was her
voice, you know, so like the

1502
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,040
whole story was basically they
approached her to do an ad.

1503
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,240
They wanted her to do an ad
based on what was that movie

1504
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:17,160
called that she did not Akina,
but the other one where she was

1505
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,160
an AI robot or whatever
somebody.

1506
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,880
But anyways, they wanted her to
do the voice.

1507
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,200
It was called.
She was called her I think in

1508
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:28,120
the movie.
But anyways, they wanted her to

1509
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,720
do the voice and, and to
basically insinuate that, hey,

1510
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,840
we're going to robots now or
whatever.

1511
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,240
Yeah.
And she turned it down.

1512
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:41,000
And so then they did a similar
ad and she said it was using her

1513
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,320
voice and they said it wasn't.
And so who knows what the real

1514
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,800
truth is?
It's so easy to do, though.

1515
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,680
I mean to just get somebody on a
phone call, copy their voice and

1516
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,680
call them back with their own
voice, you know?

1517
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,440
It's always just record it off a
movie.

1518
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,200
I mean if the AI is supposed to
and you can get the sort of

1519
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,360
tonal qualities of a voice from
like 5 minutes of of talking on

1520
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,440
a movie, it work out the
tonality of how you would say

1521
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:09,920
the word cigarette or train or
something and it could figure

1522
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,760
that out.
That, I find, is we're on that.

1523
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,480
We're on the Napster grade of
rape and pillage, I think.

1524
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,880
Worse though, because it's so
dangerous what you can do with

1525
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,000
it.
But just to finish my story from

1526
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,640
yesterday.
So I was adamant when I sent

1527
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,280
this to Sarah to to edit the
podcast.

1528
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:34,080
I said it has to say this intro
or this bio was recorded using

1529
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,840
AI and because I I didn't want
to do it so that it looked like

1530
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,800
I was being lazy or something or
trying to trick people.

1531
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,360
None of that like I'm not going
to go, you know, I could easily

1532
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:50,600
have my sponsorship reading done
by AI, but I'd rather sit there

1533
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,840
and record it myself because I
owe at least that to them when

1534
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,840
they're sponsoring my podcast.
But you're right, I mean,

1535
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,080
there's there's definitely a lot
of danger to it.

1536
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:03,840
And you know, AI is like a gun,
you know, in the hands of a good

1537
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,280
person, it's going to save a lot
of people and and be very bad

1538
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,600
person, it's going to kill you.
I'm liking it to.

1539
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,600
I go in the more pacifist side.
I say I'm liking it to a

1540
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,560
screwdriver.
You can like you could build

1541
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,480
something with a screwdriver, or
you can stab someone in the face

1542
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,040
with a screwdriver.
It's totally true.

1543
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:20,920
Isn't it?
I mean, it's totally true, you

1544
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,760
know, it's got good intentions
to be the right thing, but it's

1545
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,480
not going to get used.
The if you can't believe what

1546
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:30,640
you hear and see anymore, we are
screwed.

1547
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,960
But I mean if you.
If you got to look at the

1548
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,880
positives, you know, I'm always
looking at the bright side here,

1549
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,680
Dizzy.
But you look at the positives.

1550
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,680
One of the things I just read a
couple of days ago was that they

1551
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:49,720
created a magnet using AI that
removed all rare earth materials

1552
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,600
from the magnet.
And prior to that, you couldn't

1553
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,120
create a magnet without using
rare earth materials.

1554
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:03,200
And so they basically took
probably decades of research

1555
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:08,000
time and put it into like a day
or a week or whatever.

1556
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,080
It's like a very short period of
time.

1557
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,840
And AI did all of that research
and figured out how to build

1558
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,440
this magnet without any of these
rare earth materials.

1559
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,320
So if you take that kind of
thing and you now look at Cancer

1560
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:25,160
Research, for example, or
Alzheimer's Research, some of

1561
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:29,440
these diseases that we've had
for a long time and we're no

1562
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:34,160
closer to a cure to, you know, I
think AI is going to provide

1563
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,000
those cures.
Yeah, but I think that's that's

1564
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,880
different from someone
duplicating someone's voice,

1565
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,760
correct.
And talent or face or if you

1566
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,880
look at it, the the voice and
the face, in which case actors

1567
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,520
and no ultimately musicians.
How do you know if it's

1568
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,160
Metallica or if it's it's being
created?

1569
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,920
I mean the the, the ABBA thing,
the the ABBA Theatre in London.

1570
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:03,640
Yeah, yeah, I think is is good
because it's not being, it's not

1571
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,960
being touted as this is the
band.

1572
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,600
Everyone knows what they're
going to watch.

1573
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,600
It's when you get stuff mainly
on the flat screen which you

1574
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,160
can't tell if it's real or if
it's Memorex.

1575
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,560
Well, audio music as well.
Music as well, because I've

1576
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,920
created songs on some of these
AI apps.

1577
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:25,880
I could just go on and say, you
know, make me a heavy metal song

1578
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,120
about Dizzy Gosnell, who's like
one of the godfathers of metal

1579
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:36,360
lighting from the 70s and, you
know, do it using a voice that

1580
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:40,880
sounds sort of like Ronnie James
Dio. 5 minutes later I'll have a

1581
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:46,320
song just like that.
Intelligent.

1582
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,760
Well, what's the word?
Can't you think of the word now?

1583
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,320
Not intelligence, but the
intellectual theft.

1584
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,800
Yeah, yeah.
Where your thought is, or your

1585
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,160
face or your voice or even your
style of doing something could

1586
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,360
be taken by someone else or
taken by a machine and.

1587
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,960
I don't think it'll be allowed.
I don't think those things will

1588
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,600
be allowed.
I, I do believe there's

1589
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,240
regulation coming very, very
quickly and there's already some

1590
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,520
stuff there.
Like I, one of my friends is a

1591
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,680
lawyer that protects people's
likelihood.

1592
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,440
Like even if you use a Beyoncé
picture in one of your ads or

1593
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:27,680
something, he'll sue you for it
and we'll win.

1594
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,400
He's won many of them.
I mean, one of the things, I

1595
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,680
mean, I was talking with the
drummer from a local band up the

1596
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,920
road here.
He's, he's been around for for

1597
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,560
decades.
I mean, he's played with all

1598
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,520
sorts of bands, jazz and Blues
and funk and all that kind of

1599
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,240
stuff.
And he's saying, yeah, well, AI,

1600
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:48,320
you said, if you look at it, you
said everyone's calling anything

1601
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,280
which is kind of smart or some
degree of smartness.

1602
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,800
AI.
Does that mean that that the the

1603
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,440
sort of metronome that I used to
have with the flashing light on

1604
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,840
it just to to set to start the
drums or start the drum beat, Is

1605
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,240
that artificial intelligence?
Yeah.

1606
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,760
And everyone's calling
everything out for this official

1607
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,320
intelligence.
And some of it is just program

1608
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:11,720
or an algorithm.
Well, is it?

1609
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,680
Yeah, but.
They're you're right, you're

1610
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,000
right.
And that's one of the problems

1611
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,800
right now is everyone is sort of
trying to figure out what all of

1612
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,760
those words it's going on.
It's like.

1613
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,640
OK.
It's got MSG so good.

1614
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,320
Yeah, it's well one of the
business.

1615
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,840
I'll find it kind of I I think
it's dangerous for our business

1616
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,520
and all sorts.
Set design, costume design,

1617
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:38,280
voices, the actual show, end
result itself.

1618
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,280
Music for sure.
Yeah, but but dizzy, what if,

1619
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:48,360
what if the the line is
basically AI supports artists,

1620
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:52,360
AI doesn't replace artists, AI
supports drummers, AI supports

1621
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:57,000
graphic designers or people who
are doing these CAD drawings or

1622
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,320
whatever.
Like for example, Richard

1623
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,840
Kadena, who who I talk to quite
often.

1624
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,120
I don't know if you know
Richard, but.

1625
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,520
Very smart guy, but he.
Doesn't use AI to do his work,

1626
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:12,400
but he uses AI because he uses,
you know, a lot of different

1627
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,200
coding and stuff and what he
does.

1628
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:19,160
And so instead of him having to
sit and do coding for days to

1629
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,960
create something, he'll have AI.
He'll say, you know, hey, I need

1630
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:28,160
you to create this JavaScript to
do this or whatever, and it'll

1631
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,240
get that's.
Basically a macro, I mean excel

1632
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,920
at that in this bridge is macro
just I want all my all the

1633
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,080
addresses to be like capital for
the 1st letter and you just type

1634
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,000
it out and you just go boom and
then the the address would have

1635
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,440
the capital for each first
letter of the word and.

1636
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,440
Let me give you a real world
example.

1637
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,440
So let's say you're doing a show
and you're responsible for the

1638
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:57,720
budget, and you have a lighting
programmer, and he's going to

1639
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,640
have to sit there and do tons of
lines of code just to set this

1640
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,440
thing up to get prepared to
program the show, right?

1641
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,520
If you could have AI do those
lines of code, there's nothing

1642
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,680
creative about them.
You've got a guy that you're

1643
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:17,160
paying too much money to do a
menial task, and now you've got

1644
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,560
AI that can do that menial task
and you don't have to pay this

1645
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,000
guy for three days of doing the
coding, for example.

1646
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,680
That makes a lot of sense.
You know, that to me makes a lot

1647
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,000
of sense.
You're not replacing the

1648
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,360
creativity of that programmer.
You're not replacing his skill

1649
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,680
set or anything.
You're taking the menial BS away

1650
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:42,160
from what he's doing and
providing that to him as a sort

1651
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:46,480
of support, right?
So I think there's as far as

1652
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:48,720
that kind of stuff, I mean,
could you do it with the sound

1653
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,840
guy then?
I mean the front of the house,

1654
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,400
just have a microphone at front
of the house and just have it

1655
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,520
automatically, just all the
knobs.

1656
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,640
Do that, don't they?
Don't they kind of do that.

1657
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,240
As for bass levels, you know
like.

1658
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,360
Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm not 100%
with.

1659
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,040
Watered down shit.
And the other thing is that the

1660
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,920
how smart is the AI going to be
if the drummer's actually

1661
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,520
playing a little bit faster
tonight or the guitarist double

1662
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,120
S his guitar solo?
He does 8 bars instead of four

1663
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,600
for a solo.
Yeah, is all that.

1664
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,760
I mean, right now we still have
to have somebody pushing the

1665
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,000
button.
Crap music.

1666
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,160
He's starting to busk now.
Someone has to be put the

1667
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,160
override switch on if you've got
no I.

1668
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,480
Never want to.
I don't want to see AI

1669
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,520
controlling lighting during a
show.

1670
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,120
No, no, no.
No, that's where they can see.

1671
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,320
Any of that and I don't.
Think we'll go there?

1672
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,360
I don't know.
I can see people if we get

1673
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:43,640
people on the front end and I
think it is a thin end of the

1674
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:44,960
wedge thing.
If you get people on the

1675
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,480
programming, then yeah, then
it's not going to take that long

1676
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:52,520
for for accountants to go.
Well, if we're saving on this

1677
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,680
guy who's not quite as expensive
as this guy, yeah.

1678
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,560
Do you think we can get him to
run the show?

1679
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:01,240
Yeah, but for the reasons
including the one you just said,

1680
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,080
like when somebody starts
jamming or something, or they

1681
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,120
change the song or they change
the set list or whatever, I

1682
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:12,280
think AI is going to get smart
enough to deal with that stuff

1683
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,760
pretty soon.
But there's a human creativity

1684
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,440
and there's a human feel
involved in some of those

1685
01:33:18,440 --> 01:33:20,520
things.
And, and even mistakes, like

1686
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,040
sometimes human mistakes make a
show better, you know, because

1687
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:26,960
it's different than it was last
night.

1688
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,000
You could see the show three
nights in a row and there's

1689
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,920
nuances to it, Right.
Well.

1690
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,280
My liking it of all of this
stuff with Rock'n'roll, is that

1691
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:35,840
OK?
If you want to go, would you go

1692
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:40,520
and see NASCAR or Formula One
Grand Prix racing if it was all

1693
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,600
AI driven?
If it was robots, basically a.

1694
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:47,240
100% no, That's a great example
because they've been doing that

1695
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,360
by the way, they've had
driverless formula cars and

1696
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,240
there was massive crashes and
stuff because you know when the

1697
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,040
tires slip a little bit or
whatever, AI doesn't know how to

1698
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,040
fix that quite yet.
It'll even but.

1699
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,400
Even the battle bots, they have
a guy on on a remote control the

1700
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:06,880
the battle robot things on
Discovery Channel or whatever.

1701
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,000
Yeah, at least they got a guy
controlling it on each machine.

1702
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,120
So it's, no, you're not getting
injured.

1703
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,880
But would you want to go and see
AI NASCAR or AI Formula One?

1704
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,200
Hell no.
Not even a little bit.

1705
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,960
I'm even a tiny bit interested.
And similar to.

1706
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,920
Music I don't want to listen to
AII mean OK so elevator music if

1707
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:31,120
it was done by AI sure I don't
care because to me in many ways

1708
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,480
it's exactly that is so well
said I.

1709
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,480
Think it was Ted Nugent.
He wanted to buy a Muzak

1710
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,760
Corporation, Zak.
He wanted to buy it so he could

1711
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,800
abolish it.
And that was one of the reasons.

1712
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,320
Very few things that I actually
concur with Ted Nugent on.

1713
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,320
But I mean, I thought it was a
really noble sense.

1714
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:56,000
But by OK, so Symphony
Orchestra, do you have a robot

1715
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,440
with a white stick at the front
then?

1716
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,960
Because he's going to be 100% on
the conducting beat every single

1717
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,560
time.
Maybe I don't know.

1718
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,840
I, I don't think so.
I again, we don't know where

1719
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,960
this is all going.
What I do know is it's coming

1720
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,280
and what's happening is as
these, as these AI systems

1721
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,840
become smarter and, and it
reaches what they call AGI,

1722
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,480
artificial general intelligence,
which is when basically it's

1723
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:28,960
sort of crossed a chasm and
it's, it's self learning, self

1724
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,160
programming and it becomes
smarter than humans.

1725
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,680
You know, that's when we've got
a real issue, because what

1726
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,360
happens when AI decides that
humans are no longer necessary,

1727
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,160
you know, as anymore?
Or it decides what medicine you

1728
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:43,640
want and how much you want it.
But.

1729
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,160
Well, that's coming.
I mean, that's coming for sure.

1730
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,280
But hopefully it's.
Not hopefully it's not evil,

1731
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,480
but.
Yeah, I mean, but you don't know

1732
01:35:53,480 --> 01:35:56,920
if it's not evil, if if it's
anyway connected, it can be

1733
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,240
intercon, no infiltrated.
True.

1734
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:01,800
Yeah.
So that's the other thing.

1735
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,240
It depends who's who's prompting
these AI things, who's telling

1736
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,040
them what to do, Who's telling
them.

1737
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,120
Are you a Democrat or a
Republican?

1738
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,440
You know who's telling them?
Are you going to cater to the

1739
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:15,800
rich people or the poor people?
Do we like Jews better, or do we

1740
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,360
like Catholics better, You know?
Does the corporation win?

1741
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,280
You know the Sacre correct?
Because they got the money and

1742
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,840
better lawyers than me or you
can ever find.

1743
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:29,440
It's good to be old today.
It's better to be old right now.

1744
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:32,760
I don't want to see how that
movie ends. 20 year olds right

1745
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:34,800
now.
To be honest, I couldn't go

1746
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,840
through it again.
In one sense I do because it's

1747
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:42,120
such an exciting time because
this is like another massive

1748
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:46,360
change, you know, but it's a
potentially scary change like,

1749
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:51,280
you know, put, put AI in Putin's
hands, you know, like, have you

1750
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:56,280
seen the, they've been doing
this thing recently, the, the

1751
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:01,240
military where they're doing dog
fights between and these are

1752
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:06,760
simulated, but it's dog fights
between jets flown by pilots and

1753
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:12,160
jets flown by AI pilots and the
AI pilots are winning everyone.

1754
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,920
So now if, and I talked about
this yesterday, so sorry to the

1755
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,680
people who are hearing it twice.
But now what happens when you've

1756
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:27,360
got wars fought with no human
cost, at least on the on the the

1757
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:32,160
battlefront, you know, So I'm
not losing pilots because I've

1758
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:36,120
got all AI pilots now.
And so I'll fly them into any

1759
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,840
situation, you know, sort of
like really smart kamikaze

1760
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,680
pilots that aren't killing
themselves.

1761
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,280
It's just they don't care if
they do die, right?

1762
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,640
Well, it'll be kind of like
what's going on in the Middle

1763
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,720
East right now.
It'll be the civilians that pay

1764
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,640
the price.
That's ultimately what's going

1765
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,680
to happen, Yeah.
That's ultimately what could

1766
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,800
happen anyways.
Like Rock'n'roll, it's going to

1767
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,760
be the audience that pays the
price and seeing a mediocre

1768
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,320
thing because it hasn't this.
Is why I don't think it's going

1769
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:04,880
to happen.
I don't think people are going

1770
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:11,200
to accept AI music, like music
without artists and and

1771
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,640
personalities behind it and
stuff like.

1772
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,320
And the mistakes.
Yeah, I don't see it.

1773
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:20,000
Mistakes.
And that's, that's what it's all

1774
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,160
about.
I mean people, people go to to

1775
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,600
car racing to basically watch a
train wreck.

1776
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:28,680
Hopefully, hopefully nobody gets
hurt.

1777
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:31,520
But they wonder if there's no
crashes, nobody will ever see

1778
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:32,920
it.
Well, it's all people.

1779
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:37,320
It's like the, you know, people
love Alonzo or they love Lewis

1780
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:41,040
Hamilton or they love, you know,
Max Verstappen or whatever.

1781
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,360
Yep.
They don't just love watching

1782
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,840
cars go around in circles.
You know, they, they love

1783
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,000
everything about it.
It's, it's like a whole culture

1784
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,040
and a feeling, right?
So you can't take that stuff

1785
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,440
away and then expect that you
know they're still going to love

1786
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:56,920
it just as much.
I don't see it.

1787
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,480
I just don't.
See, I mean, I can, I can see AI

1788
01:38:59,480 --> 01:39:03,480
having uses on safety a lot of
things like from moving, moving

1789
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:07,240
scenery, you know, heavy bits in
the scenery, motors and all that

1790
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:11,040
kind of stuff and just general
safety things because the

1791
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,560
awareness is a much quicker than
than the human can have.

1792
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:17,920
And it's it's 360 in every
direction, yeah, up and down and

1793
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,200
left and right and that kind of
stuff in in touring.

1794
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:25,200
But when it comes to it, it's
the the personal decision making

1795
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,280
that that is.
But again, if you think of your

1796
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,680
job dizzy like or like when you
go into these drawings, for

1797
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,280
example, if you look at the
really boring bits that you wish

1798
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:37,520
could just go away because they
don't require any of your

1799
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:41,160
creative mind whatsoever.
They're just tedious tasks.

1800
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,640
That's where I see AI being
incredibly valuable and

1801
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,600
functional.
I don't because every really

1802
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,160
from.
Nope, absolutely not from the

1803
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,520
stage up.
I mean, it's all decisions.

1804
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,200
Is it a 60 by 40 stage up?
Yeah, we're playing in this

1805
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,160
place with narrow dashes, you
know, or it doesn't have dashes

1806
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,280
and it's a basketball, not a
hockey arena.

1807
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,800
Yeah.
Everything from the ground up is

1808
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,040
a decision.
Everything and the.

1809
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,760
Drawing those decisions and you
tell it, OK, so the stage is

1810
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,360
going to be a 60 by 40.
It's a basketball arena.

1811
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:12,720
We're doing this, We're doing
this, we're doing this.

1812
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,520
It's quicker to draw it because
it's a one off.

1813
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:19,080
So you're going to program a one
off, you know, just for if I'm

1814
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:24,280
going to be doing drawings for
one particular show 1 tour, then

1815
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:29,040
it's yeah, it's it's not going
to be quicker and I can look out

1816
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,080
drawing of a 3D rig in an hour
and a half.

1817
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,000
By the time I've coded
everything and told it to do,

1818
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,040
it'll be tomorrow.
So.

1819
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,480
Yeah, you're, you're, you're
probably right.

1820
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,800
You know, I just know that like
in my own life, there are

1821
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:46,120
tedious tasks that I used before
that are not cheating.

1822
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:51,120
It's not, it's just basically
enabling me to repurpose that

1823
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,360
hour that I would have spent
doing this thing on something

1824
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,760
else.
And I go through it anyways and

1825
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,040
I fix all the mistakes and stuff
because that's the other thing.

1826
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,920
AI makes a lot of mistakes
still, you know, like I've got

1827
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,480
I've got one of my geezers of
gear logos.

1828
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,960
The singer has three arms and
and nobody notices it, but he's

1829
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,280
holding a microphone with one
and there's still two other

1830
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,840
arms.
And it's like, OK, what's going

1831
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,680
on here?
Well, that's, I think that's a

1832
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,800
good metaphor for where AI could
go.

1833
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,680
We could start getting this real
kind of weirdness going on.

1834
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,480
Yeah.
But I think it's it, yeah.

1835
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,360
It's once the art goes, the
human part of art.

1836
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:31,560
If we've got humans entertaining
humans with the possibility of

1837
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:36,200
failure or error or brilliance,
then that's what people were

1838
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:40,480
going to want to see a show 100.
Percent 100.

1839
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:42,600
Percent.
But it's basically like going to

1840
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,600
see an automatic check.
I mean, even automatic checkouts

1841
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,200
now they're being rolled back.
They're pulling back on them for

1842
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,120
a variety of reasons because.
These suck.

1843
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,840
So this whole automation thing
is, I mean, I find it

1844
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,920
fascinating.
AI has been around for a long

1845
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,680
time, but it's only in in
various different forms.

1846
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,920
But now it's in the last two
years since COVID, really it's

1847
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,000
become on what new wonder King
that's going to solve all our

1848
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,040
problems.
Then the software's gotten

1849
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,520
better and the, the hardware,
the chips and stuff have gotten

1850
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:14,480
better as well for the visuals
on it.

1851
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:20,160
But it's it's going to have a
place certainly in my in my

1852
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:25,400
thing, this creativity and I I
don't want to walk in a building

1853
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:30,600
that was designed 100% and not
checked if it is designed by AI

1854
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,520
it's.
Gonna happen either like I again

1855
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,080
I think it's AI is supporting
humans, not replacing humans in

1856
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,120
most cases.
So there are some cases.

1857
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,120
Where that's not the.
Case, it's just where most when

1858
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,520
you get people say first we can
do away with that guy.

1859
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,040
We don't need an accountant now
we've just got an AI.

1860
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,760
We don't need a designer.
We don't need a the truck

1861
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:52,720
driver.
So we have all the trucks.

1862
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,120
Where's the truck driver?
I don't know.

1863
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:55,280
Have you called him?
I don't know.

1864
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,680
We don't have a driver.
It's an auto truck because we

1865
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:00,320
save some money.
But where is the truck?

1866
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,080
I don't know.
It's not answering the phone or

1867
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,320
is or the battery died in the
truck.

1868
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,120
We don't know where it is.
I mean, that's.

1869
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,000
Amazing.
That's amazing.

1870
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:10,880
You're right.
I mean, you're right.

1871
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,760
All of your concerns are, all of
your concerns are accurate.

1872
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,520
But guess what?
It's still coming.

1873
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,560
With or without those.
Concerns.

1874
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:21,040
It's still coming and it's
coming fast and hard, so we

1875
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:24,120
gotta.
Put that created with AI at the

1876
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:25,080
bottom.
I agree.

1877
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,760
Footnote Just like they put, you
know, Hallmark Channel or

1878
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,280
something, the bottom right of
the screen there has a big thing

1879
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,280
there.
This was created with AI so

1880
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,160
people can decide they like it
or not.

1881
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:39,360
I mean, if, you know, even
Google and stuff are already

1882
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:43,160
penalizing you for AI content,
like if you're writing blogs

1883
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:46,560
with AI, for example, those
blogs don't get any search

1884
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,640
traffic.
You know, there's going to be

1885
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,360
some requirement on all kinds of
creative things that say this

1886
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,760
was generated using AI.
But there are some really funny

1887
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,040
uses too.
Like I don't know if you saw it,

1888
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,600
but I saw not that long ago, a
few months ago, there was a

1889
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:06,800
debate between Trump and Biden,
which is very timely.

1890
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:14,440
And it was completely done by
AI, but it was so amazing.

1891
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:19,840
Like it go go search for, you
know, AI Trump and Biden debate

1892
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,160
and you'll laugh your ass off.
I promise you dizzy because it's

1893
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,680
just hilarious because they're
calling each other names and

1894
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,320
cursing like crazy.
And you know, you geriatric old

1895
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,000
bastard.
And like just back and forth

1896
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,360
bickering and so funny.
And I remember because and they

1897
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,080
did it live.
They basically did this thing

1898
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,800
live, this debate, and I was
watching it and I said to my

1899
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,200
girlfriend, this is what the
Internet was created for.

1900
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:49,400
This right here is some of the
best entertainment I've ever

1901
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:51,560
seen so.
That and cat videos, right?

1902
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:53,800
Yeah.
Can you imagine being the guy

1903
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,960
who invented one of the no the
faster chips, whether it was the

1904
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:02,240
lead designer for Intel with the
486 and the 487 Math Co process

1905
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,320
and all that stuff, you know,
and he, he didn't see his wife

1906
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,520
for years because they're in
developing engineering.

1907
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,800
So I did all this crap so people
could watch cat with videos in

1908
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:12,920
real time.
It's so true.

1909
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,680
It's on their phones like, wow,
I lost my whole family life for

1910
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:18,520
this.
That is so funny.

1911
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,560
I think I'm, I'm getting
probably a bit a bit technical

1912
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:23,120
on a lot of this stuff, but I, I
think.

1913
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:24,560
So dizzy.
I don't even.

1914
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:27,600
I don't detect that at all from
you right now.

1915
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:33,800
No, I think the if you can't be
bothered to do it, don't do it.

1916
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:40,760
That's that's my, my motto.
If if you wanna, especially in

1917
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,400
the arts field, if you like
Leonardo da Vinci saying, OK,

1918
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:48,280
I'll call, I'll do all the edges
and then AI can fill in the

1919
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,560
middle bits.
Unfortunately, this is what's

1920
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,800
coming though visiting movie
movies.

1921
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,600
I mean this is a whole nother
conversation, but movies, when

1922
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:59,880
you look at some of the AI
generated scenes and stuff right

1923
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,080
now, it's insane.
And so like who is it?

1924
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:07,600
Tyler Perry was spending $800
million on a new movie studio,

1925
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:12,280
and he stopped, He completely
stopped construction of it

1926
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,240
because of AI, because he just
saw how good some of these AI

1927
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:17,720
things were that were coming
out.

1928
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,960
And he said, I'm not doing it.
I'm not investing this kind of

1929
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,320
money into a movie.
Studio, some of them, some of

1930
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:26,520
those movies with like 40
explosions per minute, you know,

1931
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:30,360
all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I can't watch those things

1932
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,360
because they just so I mean,
anything with the Rock in it.

1933
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:34,600
I'm sorry.
The Rock.

1934
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,360
But yeah, I agree.
Some capabilities of a 12 year

1935
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,720
old man.
It's just really not the same

1936
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,760
story you got in your contract.
You cannot lose any fights.

1937
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,160
What's?
The little bald English guy.

1938
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:47,920
My girlfriend's in love with
him.

1939
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:52,280
We have to be more specific in.
Jason Statham, she loves him.

1940
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:54,720
He's like her superhero, you
know?

1941
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,480
And his movies, everyone is
exactly the same.

1942
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:01,160
They're boring as hell.
He's like the little British

1943
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,920
version of The Rock.
And you ever notice they usually

1944
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:07,320
have about 15 gears in the
gearbox because the camera got

1945
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,920
and knocked it up.
So you weren't in the Top Gear

1946
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:12,720
already and the guy was right in
the tail.

1947
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,400
What kind of more are you?
One, they have a handgun.

1948
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:17,960
With with about 100 bullets in
the clip you.

1949
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,520
Know my favorite one?
My favorite is when a diesel

1950
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:26,120
truck scrapes a brick wall and
then bursts into flames with a

1951
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,280
giant rostrummer and it's like
no diesel hooks.

1952
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,480
Diesel is not explosive.
That's.

1953
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,400
Hilarious.
But those kind of things I just

1954
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,480
can't watch.
I just go out and that.

1955
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,000
And even if I'm 1020 minutes
into a movie and I see that kind

1956
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:46,320
of shit and Spider Man where his
body gravity is all wrong when

1957
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,080
he jumps down and he kind of he
lands like floats down.

1958
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,080
That's all that CGI stuff,
right?

1959
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:53,600
And it and it's all just
bullshit.

1960
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,800
I hate CD.
Yeah, you know, again, AI is is

1961
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,800
the same basic thing.
It's just CGI on steroids, you

1962
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,360
know?
Drum fills are going to be like

1963
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:05,400
that when you see the, oh, what?
No drum fill #23 please, yeah.

1964
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:07,440
You're right.
Yeah, you're right.

1965
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:10,400
Definitely right.
So what's the rest of 24 look

1966
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,400
like for you?
It's crazy, yeah.

1967
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:14,240
Yeah.
I mean, it's, I wouldn't say

1968
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:20,480
crazy, but it's very busy and
just a nice, good healthy level

1969
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:24,480
of, of just keeping stuff
tracking along and just wrapping

1970
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:26,880
around till next year.
And, you know, some of the a lot

1971
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,000
of these acts are going to go
out again next year and it'll

1972
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,600
be, you know, back on the horse
again in January, just.

1973
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,960
Any plans to slow down?
Me no.

1974
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,640
No, yeah, I mean, I talked to so
many.

1975
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:43,720
I'm 67 now and I've got no no
interest in retiring at all.

1976
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,040
Yeah, good for you, man.
Good for you.

1977
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,120
I you know, The thing is,
everyone I know who retires at

1978
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,880
at our age, your age, my age.
I'm a little younger than you,

1979
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,560
but not that much.
They die like they retire and

1980
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:57,880
then they die two years later or
something.

1981
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,920
Yeah, I enjoy your.
Life.

1982
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:02,880
Why not keep doing it?
Well, that's it.

1983
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:06,520
I mean, I enjoy the challenges,
the mental gymnastics of making

1984
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:11,000
things fit in in a building that
it and we've been doing quite a

1985
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,440
lot of that this year with a few
acts where they've been putting,

1986
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:17,280
they've been carrying bigger
systems than they've had before

1987
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,920
because the now the ticket sales
are going good and they're just

1988
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:24,080
a big push for them.
And but they're they're ending

1989
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,400
up playing in places that were
booked last year.

1990
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,640
They're not quite as big as the
system that they're carrying is

1991
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,480
so trying to make.
You're really good at that.

1992
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,040
You're really good at.
I enjoy putting the nuts and

1993
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:38,040
bolts together, like making
things work.

1994
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,160
You're very good at that.
Somebody a lot of you.

1995
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:41,680
A problem and you'll figure it
out.

1996
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:44,880
It was the English training of
like you go out with an A rig,

1997
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:48,080
but you'd only see the A rig
three times on a 12 day English

1998
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:51,760
tour because you're playing it.
No, this place where I can't get

1999
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,360
that up.
So the B&C rig was always in

2000
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:56,720
your back pocket.
And there's quite a few tours I

2001
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,040
did, or one I did with Saxon in
84.

2002
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:03,480
We went down to like an H rig
ABC all the way down to H with

2003
01:50:03,480 --> 01:50:06,920
different variants of the rig.
But we got something going on.

2004
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:16,240
I I enjoyed that because it's
my, my basic motto for all of

2005
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,400
this rock'n'roll is do more than
yours is expected of you.

2006
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:23,640
And that's my whole MO.
If somebody asks you to do this,

2007
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:27,320
then I'll do this and this.
But you know, you take your car

2008
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:30,760
to the, to the mechanic to get
fixed and he runs it through the

2009
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:32,960
car wash.
Yeah, yeah.

2010
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,120
Before he hands it back.
It's such a happy a happy.

2011
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:39,960
Surprise that's that's my level
of my thing is do more than is

2012
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:41,880
expected of you and.
That's.

2013
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,680
It's a great battle.
That's a great battle.

2014
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,920
And if you could teach that to
the, quote, young kids today,

2015
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,920
you know, they'd get pretty far.
And I've always told, like, my

2016
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:55,240
son's 20 and he's a racing
driver, and I've always told

2017
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:58,800
him, you know, you want to get
to the track first in the

2018
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:00,200
morning.
You want to be there with the

2019
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:04,560
earliest mechanic that shows up
and stay last.

2020
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,280
You know, you want to be the
first driver there and the last

2021
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,960
driver there and you'll be
remembered for a long time.

2022
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:11,320
Well.
I mean, that's what lighting

2023
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:14,240
guys are good for because we're
in at 7:00 in the morning and

2024
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,800
then we're doing the idiot check
and sometimes we'll pick up the

2025
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:20,040
sounds tails because they forgot
to pick them up and bring up hey

2026
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,640
guys, we just got your tails so
you want them?

2027
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,040
Yeah, sorry about that.
Just first in, last out and and

2028
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:26,760
it's.
Yeah.

2029
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,040
There's a lot to that.
Don't be late.

2030
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:32,480
Always wear a watch.
I mean to me up there was a few

2031
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:35,760
crew chiefs I had on tours with
me way back and where they

2032
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:39,720
didn't have watches, so I bought
them like a $5 Casio.

2033
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:42,400
So there you go said if you
don't have a watch you're

2034
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,040
absolutely useless because the
production manager says we've

2035
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,400
got 2 minutes till lunch dude,
So what time is it now?

2036
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,200
Even the phone's no good.
You can't have a phone in your

2037
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,480
pocket most of the time when
you're building a rig because

2038
01:51:53,480 --> 01:51:55,240
it's on the on the rack's
charger.

2039
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:57,200
Yeah.
So it's just timeliness.

2040
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:58,720
Yeah.
All of that stuff.

2041
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:01,800
Punctuality.
Yeah, it's an absolute given.

2042
01:52:02,440 --> 01:52:05,000
And the willingness to want to
do it too.

2043
01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:07,840
Yeah, these are.
Know how to do it will teach

2044
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,240
you, but just be willing to do
it.

2045
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:13,600
Well, and, you know, the young
guys today and girls who have

2046
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:18,600
those kind of values and and
character, I think are going

2047
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,760
really far and will continue
going really far, you know, and

2048
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,160
it's not like we are any better
than young people.

2049
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:28,520
It's just that, you know, it's
been a a shift in in what's

2050
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:33,120
important in the world and those
who can remember back to the way

2051
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:36,520
that some of the older guys did
it, I, I think are doing really,

2052
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,920
really well right now.
And I know a lot of those people

2053
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,040
so well.
Diz, thank you so much for

2054
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:43,160
doing.
This I appreciate it.

2055
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:44,920
It's.
Always so fun to catch up with

2056
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,080
you.
Yeah, it's a great one too,

2057
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,400
after four years.
Yeah.

2058
01:52:49,480 --> 01:52:52,160
Yeah.
Well, I'll check in again with

2059
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,640
you at some point, maybe in the
next year or so, and we'll see

2060
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,240
what's changed.
We'll see if AI has taken over

2061
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,320
your life yet.
Well, the chances of me being

2062
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,320
vertical still in four years are
slim, so we just don't make it

2063
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:04,120
every two years.
I.

2064
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:05,960
Don't know.
I think you're doing okay.

2065
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:07,880
All right, Daisy, thanks so
much.

2066
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:09,360
All right.
Thanks a lot Marcel all.

2067
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:10,560
Right.
Cheers.

2068
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:43,760
Nice.
None.