#248 - Phay MacMahon

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Well, hello and thanks again for
coming.

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I appreciate you being here
today is going to be a lot of

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fun.
Great guest as always.

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I think all of our guests are
excellent, but today is one of

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those ones that you really look
forward to Mr. Faye McMahon,

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famous Faye McMahon.
And so, yeah, it's going to be a

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lot of fun and and I'm kind of
excited about it and looking

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forward to this chat as I do
with so many people who come on

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this podcast.
So as you're listening to this,

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this is where it gets weird this
week, which is actually next

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week for me because I'm
recording this on June 5th, on

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Wednesday, June 5th.
So next week as I record, this

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is Infocom.
And so you might actually be at

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the show.
You might be listening to this

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in your hotel room.
Shame on you and getting ready

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to go over to the trade show.
But I usually go.

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This particular one, I'm not
going to go.

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Often times this is one of those
shows that a lot of times I get

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there and I wonder why the hell
am I here?

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You know, it's it's a lot of
integrators, it's a lot of AV

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stuff or not even AV stuff.
It's a lot of like home

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integration, home automation,
boardroom stuff.

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It's just a lot of gear that I
don't have a lot to do with.

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And it's like you got a wade
through, you know, 1000 people

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to get to the 10 that really
matter to you.

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And so I'm not putting it down.
It's an amazing show.

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I've I've gone to it 20 times
probably in my life.

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And I would probably go to it
this year if I didn't have so

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much going on in my life.
And, and there's just a lot

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going on.
So I know a lot of people are

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going and a lot of you are there
right now.

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And so, yeah, I, I hope it's a
great show.

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I hope you all have fun and I
look forward to hearing from

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people.
Please bring me back some

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stories.
Touring season, of course, is in

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full force.
We're having another crazy one

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this year.
I just read the Coldplay, just

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started their European Tour.
Of course, Metallica and ACDC.

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Speaking of Europe, both of
those massive stadium shows are

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blasting through Europe right
now.

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Brian Hartley, we're working on
getting him on to the podcast.

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He'll be on soon, but he's out
with Five Finger Death Punch in

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in Europe as well.
And so, yeah, lots going on in

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Europe, a lot of busy touring
and festival season in Europe.

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And that's one of the things I
love about Europe, festival

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season.
You know, there's some of these

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countries, like I talk a lot
about the Netherlands, where of

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course they have, I've been
told, and again, I've never

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actually made sure or verified
or whatever, but I've been told

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there's 1400 festivals annually
in, in the Netherlands right

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now, which it's a country of
less than 20 million people.

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I mean, that is just an insane
number of festivals.

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And you know, there are guys
like Steve Warren and, and women

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who spend their life going to
festivals and God bless them.

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You know, I, I love that.
I wish I still liked it because

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I loved it when I was a kid, but
I don't like it now.

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So yeah, you know, Europe's
booming.

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Except, you know, I've talked
about it before, but I've been

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reading about people being out
of work in Europe and lots of

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touring people, lots of stage
hands who are having shows

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cancel and have no other work
and they're starting to be

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worried again.
So that's interesting.

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You know, it's, it's terrible,
but it's interesting because

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it's not what I'm seeing on the
grand scale.

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You know, it's, it's like you
hear about ACDC packing stadiums

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and Metallica packing stadiums
and Beyoncé and all of these big

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artists packing stadiums, Taylor
Swift, of course.

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But then, you know, there's some
other stuff going on.

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And, you know, I don't know if
if you've read about all these

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cancellations and I say all
these, I mean, there's, there's

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two that people are talking
about a lot.

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Of course, Jlo and The Black
Keys are the two that I've read

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a lot of press on.
And I'm hearing a lot of other

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adjustments though.
And of course, Jlo and Black

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Keys, well, different
situations.

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You know, Jlo is trying to, I
think, go out there and present

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this as she wants to spend more
time with her family.

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In fact, that's exactly how
she's gone out and talked about

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it.
You know, I just need to focus

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on family right now.
But the reality is it wasn't

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selling.
And so you can ask anyone who

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was involved in it, you can
probably go to Ticketmaster and

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look yourself, but it wasn't
selling.

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There was a lot of empty venues
that were being canceled.

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So so that is the problem with
Jlo for sure.

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Like, I think some artists think
that they can get on with their

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life and do whatever they're
doing and then just pop in and

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do this sold out to her.
And some will get away with it.

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But right now, I think you're
getting back to a situation

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where people go to what's really
authentic and what deserves

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their concert money.
And they're avoiding the other

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stuff they're starting to
anyways.

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So we're, you know, you used to
see that any old band could kind

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of go out and tour and fill fill
the venue.

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But right now it's getting back
to some version of of normalcy

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where people are tightening
their belts a little bit again,

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tightening, tightening their
purse strings and, and really

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focusing those entertainment
dollars on stuff that they

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really want to see.
And so we'll see how that plays

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out.
Black Keys, I think is a

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different situation.
I think Black Keys in this

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country is a theater act, a
really, really good theater act.

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And, you know, they had a very
successful tour of theaters in,

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in I think Europe and the UK.
Again, you know, don't take my

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word for this, Go read about it.
I'm not sure of the facts on all

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of this stuff, but from what
I've read, they did really,

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really well in, in some really
great theaters over in Europe

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and came here and we're
expecting to to have a

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successful arena tour.
And this is an interesting one

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for me because I love the band.
I think they're an incredible

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band.
You know, I know the one guy in

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the band keeps getting some bad
press on on his attitude or

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whatever.
I don't care.

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You know, it's not like every
musician or every artist out

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there is, is, you know, a
perfect person or somebody that

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you'd want to spend time with
or, or have your kids follower

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or whatever.
I don't care about that.

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Good songs, bad songs, good
band, bad band.

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I don't care about everything
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But, you know, I, I just think
that it was a, you know, they

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should have really stuck to, to
theaters.

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They were doing really well in
theaters and people were loving

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it.
Like it's personally, I would

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rather see a band I really want
to see in a smaller venue.

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I've said this ever since the
start of this mayhem after the

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pandemic.
I don't want to see rock bands

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that I really like and really
want to see.

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I don't want to go see him in a
stadium.

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I don't want to be, you know,
250 yards away from them going

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well, you know, are they over
there?

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You know, is there something
going on?

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I mean, if I'm going to watch it
on a screen, I'll watch it at

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home on, on, you know, my 80
inch television on YouTube, not

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on a screen that's, you know,
200 yards away.

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So that's just me.
You know, I, I realize I'm

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probably getting older now and
and I don't have the same

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desires and thoughts to be with
80,000 friends that I used to

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be.
But the other thing I'm even

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hearing about those stadium
shows is that we're starting to

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run into a problem where some of
them like they're sort of a

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break even point for everyone
for, for Live Nation who may own

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the venue or for for everyone
involved, somewhere around

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32,000 people or something like
that where they can be really

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successful.
Anything over that and they

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start losing money below that or
not making a lot of sense below

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that.
And some of them are not doing

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much better than that at this
point.

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And you know, again, I don't
want to pick on anybody.

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You know, there's, there are
some tours or packages that are

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out there playing stadiums that
probably won't be playing

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stadiums much longer.
So, yeah, I mean, I read this

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stuff and I pay attention to
this stuff not because I want

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something to complain about, but
because I am paying attention

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for our industry.
I'm having great conversations

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with very high level people in
our industry about these things,

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talking about where's it all
going?

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You know, what's going to happen
next spring, what's going to

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happen next summer, what's going
to happen for shed tours this

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year?
What, you know, what's it all

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doing and what's that going to
mean from an equipment

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standpoint, from an asset
standpoint, you know, what

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companies are going to be
successful?

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Are we going to start seeing
companies rolling up again and

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being acquired or are we going
to see companies having some

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problems?
So, you know, it's all, it keeps

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me curious and it keeps me
asking a lot of questions and

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paying a lot of attention to
this stuff.

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So I, I had a really cool
conversation recently, just, I

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think it was this week with
Gilmore, who if you're Canadian

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or if you're old like me, you'll
probably remember an amazing

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band from the 80s and 90s called
Triumph.

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And you know, I remember when I
first heard Triumph, I was in my

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probably early to mid teens and
they blew me away.

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I was just like, wow.
And not only heard them, but saw

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them.
I saw them live so many times.

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And, you know, they were just a
band that I really loved, partly

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because they were a three piece
band that just made so much

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noise, but also because they
were so committed to the show.

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Like they were using pyro when
nobody else was using pyro.

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They were using, you know, big
everything when nobody else was

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doing that stuff.
They had bigger light shows,

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more lights, just thousands of
Chrome Park Hands and stuff like

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that.
And so I was talking with

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Gilmore this week and I do a
bunch of business with Gil and

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we've become friends over the
last 10 years or whatever.

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And so we talked quite often and
I was talking to him this week

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and he said he's got something
that he's planning for 2025.

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And I'm not going to talk a lot
about what that is.

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But it's around their 50th
anniversary.

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Again, like a lot of bands that
started in the 70s, they're

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hitting A50 year anniversary
this year or next year actually.

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And but he's working on
something and it's going to

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happen next year, and it's
something really cool and very

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different, very unique.
And I can't really talk much

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more about that because he told
me in confidence.

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But Gil has agreed.
Gilmore again, the drummer,

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singer, founder of Triumph and
also owner of Metalworks Studios

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and Metalworks Sound and
Lighting or Metalworks

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Productions or whatever they're
called up in Canada.

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Metalworks Studios, by the way.
Again, I might be stepping out

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of line and saying the wrong
thing, but I know they did some

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Blake Blake Drake albums in
there and some I know they did

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at least one metallic album.
Lots and lots of bands record in

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that studio.
It's an amazing studio.

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He's also got a school and he's
also very involved in educating

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kids.
And so just love talking with

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the guy, love having these
conversations.

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But Gil has agreed to come on
the podcast.

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So Gil Moore from Triumph is
going to come on Geysers of Gear

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and he's also coming on with a
well known lighting designer,

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Paul Dexter, who is working with
Gil on this new project that's

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coming up.
So that is being scheduled for

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late summer, maybe even into
September based on everyone's

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schedules, but also based on
this thing coming to fruition

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that they're going to come on
and talk about.

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So that's exciting.
In other exciting news, I'm

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heading to Canada this week.
So by the time you hear this,

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I'll be in my happy place up in
the mountains in Canada, the

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Canadian Rocky Mountains.
And funny story, but my son

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decided he wanted to drive my
car up there.

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So, you know, every year it's
like, do I rent a car?

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Do I borrow one from somebody?
What do I do and do I buy one?

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And that was what I was going to
do this year, but I found that

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you can't get anything decent
for under like 30 or $40,000.

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And I just didn't want to do
that, you know, because again,

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it's, it's technically a second
home, right?

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So, so anyways, my son decided
to drive my car up there, him

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and another couple of 20 year
olds.

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And well, actually he drove up
with one guy and another one

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flew in.
And so he's up there with his

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two buddies right now.
And his whole trip up there, I

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mean, you know, three or four
days of just lots of fun and

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lots of sightseeing.
And they stopped in skate parks

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across the country.
So they've been having a blast.

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They're having a great time.
And he's sending me lots of

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pictures and stuff.
So cool.

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I mean, you know, Can you
imagine being 20 and somebody

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giving you the keys and a credit
card for all the gas and hotels

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and food and stuff that you need
and sending you on a cross

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country trip like that?
Well, actually across two

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countries.
So, you know, one of the funny

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stories was these two dodgy
looking characters show up in a

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pretty brand new BM WX5M at the
border.

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And you know, we've got loads of
stuff in the back, two pizza

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ovens, like just loads of stuff
in the back of the car.

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And these two guys and one of
them's wearing like a, a wool

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ski hat.
And you know, Jeremy probably

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hasn't showered in a day or two.
And you know, where you going?

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Canada, you know, and what are
you doing up there?

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I don't know, just hanging out,
you know, having some fun, our

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buddies meeting us up there too.
And so of course, get out of the

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car.
And, you know, usually, like

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I've driven through the border
and it's just look at your

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passport and you go.
But these two guys, they had to

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get out of the car and the car
just got torn apart.

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All the stuff got taken out of
it.

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And, you know, they got quizzed
to death and stuff, but finally

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they let him go.
So he got a good experience.

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He was scared to death, of
course.

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And then finally, I hate to
admit and I hate to announce

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this is an announcement I don't
love making, but I am becoming a

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real geezer this week.
And so again, by the time you

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hear this, I will have turned
60.

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So that is happening on June
8th.

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And you know, it's weird, as you
all know, and maybe some of you

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are young so you don't know this
yet, but it happens really

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quickly.
Like one minute you're 30 and

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planning your future and nothing
can break you.

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And then all of a sudden, you
know, you're you're mentoring

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young kids at 40.
And, you know, you're, I don't

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feel old.
You know, I don't feel old.

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I like to think I don't look
incredibly old, even though I

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got a Gray beard.
I take care of myself.

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I'm probably healthier than I
was when I was 40.

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But, you know, I'm turning 60
this week, so it's a weird

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thing.
And then, of course, my good

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friend Craig passed away one
year older than that, 61.

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And so, yeah, I mean, if you're
listening to this and and you're

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my age or near my age or
whatever, please just take care

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of yourself.
Please.

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So although he needs no
introduction whatsoever, Faye

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McMahon, also known as Famous,
started his career in production

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management in 1976 with Bob
Geldof and The Boomtown Rats.

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That was his first big gig, and
since then he's worked with some

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of the biggest names in the
industry, including Pink,

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Shakira, George Michael,
Aerosmith, Def Leppard, Nicki

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Minaj, Ricky Martin, Garth
Brooks and so on.

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So many.
Faye has also provided

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production management for
corporate clients such as Volvo

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Ocean Race, Orange Arrows,
Formula 1G, Air, Formula One,

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Guinness, and South African
breweries.

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Faye has just returned from
Japan with the Red Hot Chili

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Peppers.
So we're very happy that he was

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able to find some time in in
that schedule to talk with us.

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And we had the pleasure of
talking with Faye.

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We had him on the podcast back
in March of 2020, early in the

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pandemic, very, very early in
the pandemic.

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That's a great episode.
And and he tells his whole life

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story.
We're not going to go into that

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here, but it's a good one.
So please go back and check out

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that's episode #81 and hear how
he started his career.

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It's it's pretty great.
So once again, please welcome

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Faye McMahon back onto the
podcast.

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Hello, Faye.
Hi, how are you?

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Do I have to call you Mr.
Famous?

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No, nobody else does.
Nobody else does.

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That's a good answer, So.
It looks like what's that?

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They call me lots of things, but
let's not go into that.

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Yeah, yeah.
Well, I I promise I won't, I

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won't call you any of those
names, but where are you?

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It looks like you're on a bus.
I am.

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I'm on a Beat the Street bus
here in Salt Lake City.

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So we're getting ready for a
show today, so yeah.

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And that's with the Chili
Peppers.

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Red Hot Chili Peppers, Yeah.
Nice, nice.

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How's that going?
This is how would we see we

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started.
We did a few shows the beginning

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of the year on the West Coast, I
think 4 shows then with a short

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break and then we went to Japan,
two nights at the Tokyo Dome and

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then back here.
We started in Portland and this

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is the 4th show of the US.
Oh, very cool.

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Very cool.
Yeah.

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You're going to be here in
Florida in a couple of weeks and

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I'm gone, I'm in.
I'm going up to my house in

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Canada on Friday, so for the
summer the.

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Opposite of Snowbird.
Hey, exactly.

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Well, no, it's, it is Snowbird.
Yeah, yeah.

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I always refuse to call myself
one, but now I truly am one

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because I kind of go from like
June until September up there

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and then I run the hell out of
there back to Florida, so.

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Yeah, we're in Canada.
Do you know where Banff is?

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I do indeed.
Beautiful.

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Yeah, there.
Yeah.

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So, yeah, I've had a house for a
little over 20 years, managed to

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hang on to it through divorce,
and so I still have it.

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And yeah, I love it up there.
It's great.

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Yeah.
It's.

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Fantastic.
Yeah.

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So thank you for doing this.
First and foremost, I know you

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had a bit of a pain in the ass
getting on 'cause it made you

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download Chrome, which everyone
loves to do.

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Exactly.
Yeah, so, yeah, so sorry about

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that and thanks for doing this.
It's always cool to check in

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with you because A, you're a
pretty fun guy and and B, you do

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some really cool stuff.
So, so you know, I, I was

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because you didn't have time to,
to send us any information.

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Of course, most people don't.
I I had to go digging and I went

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looking at socials and sadly
most of your messages on socials

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are paying respect to people who
are dying.

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Yeah.
It's that time in life, you

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know, where we're literally
losing a lot of friends as as we

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go along, you know?
Yeah, it's very.

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Very sad.
Yeah, I mean, it's it really is.

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And, you know, I turned 60 this
week and I noticed obviously

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that, you know, once I hit 50,
you started going.

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Well, wait a SEC.
People seem to be dying quicker.

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There must be something going
on.

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There's a pandemic or something.
But no, it's just, it's my age.

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It's not theirs.
It's like, it's because more of

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my friends are older now.
So.

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But yeah, just last week, I
don't know if you knew Craig

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Burrows from High End Systems
and Roby and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, he passed away last
week.

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And so I'm going to that
tomorrow in Austin and then

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headed to my house on on Friday.
So yeah, it's it sucks.

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It's a terrible thing.
And I was just with him a couple

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weeks ago at F1.
Wow with Craig.

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So yeah, it's a drag.
Absolutely.

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But we got to make most of it
you.

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Know I know, I know well.
And all you can do is try your

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best to stay healthy.
You know, drink healthy beer.

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Yeah.
Do you still have the the taps?

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Oh yeah.
Oh.

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Absolutely, yeah.
What's your bar called again?

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Your pub, right?
The Doghouse.

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Exactly.
Yeah, I remember you telling me

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about that last time.
That's hilarious.

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And so you get a lot of guests,
right?

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Like when people are touring
through Ireland.

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Yeah, they, they come out and,
you know, like they, they'll let

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me know that they're in town and
they'll pop out and have a few

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pints and a bit of a laugh, you
know?

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Yeah.
So it's become quite the place,

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you know.
Yeah, that is awesome.

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That's so cool.
Yeah, that's very cool.

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So, Chili Peppers, how's it
doing?

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It's great.
It's it's mental.

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It's like we're doing.
They decided to downsize to, to

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amphitheaters, which is a bit of
a strange statement, you know?

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Yeah.
Yeah, isn't it?

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But it's every night, every
ticket sold, it's completely

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sold out.
It's like it's crazy, you know,

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it's.
Really smart though, because

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actually one of the things I
wanted to talk to you about is

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exactly this topic where, you
know, everyone thinks they

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should be playing in stadiums
and and every theater act thinks

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they should be playing in
arenas.

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And, you know, not only is is
the math not working very well,

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but, you know, it's just not
creating a very pleasant

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experience.
I think even for the fans, you

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know, the band is looking out at
some empty seats and and the

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fans are sitting a lot further
away than they probably need to

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be.
Yeah, I mean, you know, the the

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interesting thing about this is
when you look at this and you

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look at like every single seat
is gone, every tickets gone and

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there's a huge demand for it.
So if you look at some baseball

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stadiums, you know, they like
they hold, you know, some of

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them hold 5060 thousand, but you
know, a lot of them hold sort of

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30,000.
You know, so to do a baseball

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stadium, obviously we've got to
bring in a stage.

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We've got to bring in, you know,
ground cover and delay towers,

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you know, all the
infrastructure, you know.

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Yeah.
So, you know, when you when you

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do all that, like when you look
at the cost of all that, the

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cost is huge.
Yeah.

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So I think, you know, with Live
Nation doing this, they own all

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the amphitheaters.
Yeah, everything's here.

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You know, it's all in place.
So all that cost is gone.

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00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,000
Yeah.
And everybody's closer.

447
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,920
Well, and you know, when you're
talking about a baseball

448
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,120
stadium, going from, you know,
18 or 17,000 in arena to 30,000

449
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,360
in a baseball stadium, probably
the net gain isn't that much

450
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,160
when you look at all the
expenses, right?

451
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,360
Exactly, you know, like when you
do stuff like that and, and

452
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,880
like, you know, the thing here
is like that.

453
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,520
It's, it's already set up every,
you know, the whole thing is, is

454
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,760
set up really well.
As we say, everybody's closer,

455
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,760
you know, and it's it's, you
know, it's been really like you

456
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,640
look at the gorge.
We did the gorge the other day.

457
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,440
Like that's 22,000 people.
Yeah, that's a lot of people.

458
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:24,720
You.
Know.

459
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Yes, it is.
Yeah.

460
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,160
And what they're doing here is
they're not playing the major

461
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,040
cities.
They're going to the, you know,

462
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520
the the secondary cities that
they wouldn't be able to do with

463
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,000
a baseball stadium.
Yeah, yeah.

464
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,440
So it's quite clever, I think
you know.

465
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Are they doing any multi night?
Toronto.

466
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,880
We do.
We do two nights in Toronto, but

467
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,640
that's the only one that we're
really doing.

468
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,560
You know, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so.

469
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,400
That's, that's great.
That's fantastic.

470
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,520
You know, it's like one of the
ones I think that everybody's

471
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,880
talking about is The Black Keys,
who, you know, I think they had

472
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,360
a pretty successful theater run
in in Europe and then came over

473
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,400
here and, and the arenas weren't
selling real well.

474
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,000
Yeah, I I did The Black Keys a
couple of years ago and it was

475
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,120
great.
And again, we did.

476
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,800
We did because the last time I
think we spoke, I was with Ricky

477
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,560
Martin down in South America
doing savings and all that, you

478
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,040
know.
And then after that, I went to

479
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,640
The Black Keys, Chris Kansey
called me and said, look, you

480
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,040
know, would be interested in
this.

481
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,840
And I said sure.
And it was eight trucks around

482
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,960
amphitheaters, and they did
great business.

483
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,640
You know.
But then we did a tour in Europe

484
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960
and again, they did phenomenal
business, you know, absolutely

485
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,480
right the way through.
And then I then left to go back

486
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,800
to aerospace and whatever.
And, you know, a new team took

487
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,040
over and they just did that.
That's run in Europe and in the

488
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,360
UK and Europe or whatever.
And apparently it was great.

489
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Yeah.
But they put the tickets on sale

490
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,720
here and for whatever reason, it
just.

491
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,200
Yeah, you know, it's I didn't.
But that's a great band.

492
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,960
So it's not like the yeah, it's
not like the product sucks, you

493
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:07,440
know?
Productism.

494
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,040
And, you know, people used to
promoters will say to me, you

495
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,560
know, like, so when when you'd
be advancing, you know, they

496
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,320
say, do you need any gases?
Is there pyro?

497
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,720
And I say, you know, I would
say, look, this is a concept.

498
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,240
I'm not sure if it'll ever catch
on.

499
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,320
There is no pyro.
There is no gases.

500
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,000
There is no cryo.
There's no special effects.

501
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,360
There's no confetti.
I said there's no Pro Tools.

502
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,440
I said this is a plan that I
should just plug in and play.

503
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,440
As I say, it's a concept.
I don't think it'll ever catch

504
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,400
on.
That is so cool.

505
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,040
That is awesome, I love that.
They really are.

506
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,720
They, they were incredible.
Like, I mean, you know Dan the

507
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,680
singer, you know, he plugs in.
In fact, there is nobody on

508
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,600
stage.
There is no wireless on stage.

509
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,400
Everybody plugs straight in.
Really.

510
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,520
Yeah, that's interesting.
Very, very old fashioned, you

511
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,080
know.
Yeah, I love their music.

512
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,600
I love that band.
They're a great band and.

513
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,960
They're funny, you know, like, I
mean that some of their videos

514
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,960
and stuff are very.
Funny.

515
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

516
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Well, and I mean, I don't know
them, obviously, I've never

517
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,440
worked for them, but I, I've
heard them like on I heard them

518
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,000
on Joe Rogan.
I heard them on a couple

519
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,680
podcasts and stuff and they
sound like hilarious guys and

520
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,960
smart guys too.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I can

521
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,880
honestly say I was there, well,
probably about a year and a

522
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,680
half, and I never, ever got
asked to go to the dressing room

523
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,480
once.
There was never a complaint.

524
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,280
Really.
They just went out, they did the

525
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,200
gig, they were happy.
If they had, you know, a minor

526
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,640
sound issue or something like
that, they'd speak to the

527
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,400
monitor guy or they'd speak to
their tech.

528
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,720
And I was just never, you know,
like with other acts, you're

529
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,640
dragged in and you know what
happened here and you know, you

530
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,400
get, it's like you're almost
court martialed, you know, like

531
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,720
it's like.
Yeah.

532
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,680
It was just very, very, they
were really good, great to work

533
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,880
with and very, very pleasant,
you know?

534
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,560
Yeah, well, and it's funny
because when you read online, I

535
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,640
don't know, I think it's the
singer who's always sort of

536
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,760
vilified for being a Dick to
work with or whatever.

537
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,960
And, and then I talked to people
who've worked with them and they

538
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,640
say the opposite.
So they're getting a bad rap for

539
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,720
being, you know, prima donnas or
something, 'cause it, it just

540
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,040
doesn't seem to be true.
You know, I, as I say, I never

541
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,240
experienced any of that.
And the only thing I will say is

542
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,120
that they're very, very, very
specific about their sound and

543
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,760
about their setup and, but most
fans are most.

544
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,040
Fans are why wouldn't you?
Not, you know, they have a right

545
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,920
to be, you know, it's like it's
their image, it's their sound.

546
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,880
They have an absolute right to
be, you know.

547
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640
Yeah, yeah.
We're there to make sure that it

548
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,000
happens for them, you know?
Yeah, so I read something the

549
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,600
other day when I again, I was
just searching around trying to

550
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,440
find some notes and some what
have you been up to and stuff.

551
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,720
And I don't remember that we
talked about this when you were

552
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,120
on the podcast 'cause I think
you were on in March of 2020.

553
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,800
So you were on I think right
when it all when shit hit the

554
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,240
fan.
And I just read that a.

555
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Few days later.
Yeah.

556
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Oh, it was after that that shit
hit the fan.

557
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Oh, so you were still so because
I just read a funny story or not

558
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,720
funny.
I I just read a story that you

559
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,160
were in Mexico with Ricky Martin
and.

560
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,600
And you and Guns and Roses were
both in Mexico and were like two

561
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,480
of the last acts to go home,
basically.

562
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,120
Yeah, like.
You know which one of us will

563
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,400
switch out the lights.
You know as we.

564
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,680
Yeah, what a weird time.
It's hard to think back of all

565
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,880
of that stuff, you know, 'cause
it was just so corny, like the

566
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920
whole thing was just what is
going on.

567
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Yeah, it was bizarre like, you
know, because we're.

568
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,680
But the fact that we were down
there, we didn't really, we

569
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,320
didn't think about it so much,
you know, we weren't hearing it

570
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,680
as much, you know.
Yeah.

571
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,600
And because we came from we were
sorry.

572
00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,640
Hang on a second radio there.
Sorry about that.

573
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,760
It's.
All good.

574
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Yeah, we, we weren't hearing
that much about it, you know,

575
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,840
And the next thing is, and we
were doing, I think we were

576
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,120
coming out of one of ours or
month of a day or something like

577
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,800
that.
And, you know, we had Mike down

578
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,240
from sound moves at the time or
Rocket, I can't remember was

579
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Rocket or sound moves by then.
But and, you know, he was

580
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840
saying, you know, what was going
on in the States and, you know,

581
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,800
we were like, really.
And so we were doing the air

582
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,600
freight out of the air and not
really thinking much about it,

583
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,960
you know, And once we'd finished
the palletizing and everything,

584
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,200
you know, we'd always get a few
cases of beer for the guys that

585
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,080
are doing it.
And he turns up with Corona, you

586
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,920
know, So we all had a great
laugh about that.

587
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,360
Yeah, that's hilarious.
We flew from there to Mexico and

588
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,440
we set up.
That was the day that we spoke

589
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,920
and whatever.
And we went and we did two more

590
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,960
shows and it was done.
It was literally we were set up.

591
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,800
I got a call about 4:00 in the
evening and from management

592
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,880
saying take it all out, you're
going home.

593
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Wow, that is just crazy.
That's crazy.

594
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,480
Well, and it's weird.
I I didn't realize that I had

595
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,840
talked to you just a couple days
before that went down.

596
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,040
So I hope you, I hope you didn't
blame me, Faye.

597
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,760
No, not at all.
No.

598
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,520
OK, good.
So.

599
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Yeah, it was a it was a, you
know, just one of those things

600
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,560
where, you know, what the heck
going on and I don't think all

601
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,120
got out of there and, you know,
probably on some of the last

602
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200
flights to get out of Mexico,
you know.

603
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,240
Yeah, managed to.
Get home.

604
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Yeah, it's, it's it was a crazy
time for sure.

605
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,240
And then, so when, when did you
start back up again?

606
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,120
We started back up with Ricky
again in what was the the, you

607
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200
know, when everything started to
open, we started up.

608
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880
We were one of the first arena
tours that it was Ricky and

609
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,120
Enrique.
Yeah, yeah, I remember it.

610
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Yeah.
So that was probably early 21.

611
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,360
Yeah, it was, I think it was
September 21.

612
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,520
Oh, OK.
And we were the first.

613
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,360
We were one of the first arena
tours.

614
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Yeah, there was people going out
in amphitheaters and stuff, but

615
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,080
we were one of the first arena
ones.

616
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Drive ins.
The end of drive ins all the.

617
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Parking.
Lots.

618
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,000
And so we were down on that and
I always remember the

619
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,120
conversations that are people
saying how do we manage it, how

620
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,680
do we manage it, etcetera.
And, you know, we came up with

621
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,880
the conclusion that, look,
every, every, every state has

622
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240
its own regulations and its own
outlook on it.

623
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,960
Every city has its own
regulations, its own outlook on

624
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,400
it, and every venue will have
its own regulations and outlook

625
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,360
on it.
So we decided that what we would

626
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,040
do is just, you know,
concentrate on backstage and,

627
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880
you know, make sure everybody
wore masks and, you know, keep

628
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,960
the whole thing down, right?
Turns out that we had one guy

629
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,480
right at the beginning, he
called me and he says I'm not

630
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,360
feeling well.
I'm in the hotel and this was in

631
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Vegas.
We were rehearsing at The MGM

632
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,719
and we were staying there.
So I said, OK, stay in your

633
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,560
room, we'll send over a kid to
you.

634
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,920
He tested positive.
He stayed there for 10 days.

635
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Luckily enough, we were in
Vegas, so there was many people

636
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,360
there, and Wiseman was supplying
all the video gear.

637
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480
So he basically said, look, you
know, we'll find people.

638
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
And what we did was we found
engineers.

639
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480
It was an engineer.
We found an engineer that was

640
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,199
off each night to cover during
the rehearsals.

641
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,920
Yeah.
And the first show and he, he

642
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,719
then did his 10 days, flew to
Chicago and he was he was good

643
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,719
to go for the second show.
And that was it.

644
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,040
No, no other illnesses or
anything.

645
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Oh wow, yeah, the whole thing we
really did.

646
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,600
And what we said was like, guys,
anyone go in front of house,

647
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,080
wear a mask, do all the stuff.
We can't control the audience,

648
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,160
but Ricky even had it that if
the, you know, anyone that

649
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,200
wasn't singing on stage wore a
mask.

650
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,800
OK.
Was really, really strict on us,

651
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,680
you know, that was the only case
we had the entire time.

652
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,040
Wow, that's impressive.
Yeah, it was really good.

653
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,200
I, you know, some of the block,
I'm sure.

654
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,680
But you know what we said to
people was look, go out in

655
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,160
groups and eat outdoors, drink
outdoors.

656
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,480
Luckily enough, the weather was
good.

657
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440
Yeah.
And I know you want to see your

658
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,320
friends on other tours.
Get them to meet you there and

659
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,640
sit at another table.
Do not run up hugging them and

660
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,040
all that you know.
And.

661
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560
And, you know, I think everybody
did us and we got through it.

662
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,280
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's good.
I think overall we all got

663
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,640
through it for the most part,
right?

664
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Like somehow, miraculously we
survived as an industry too,

665
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,360
which is wasn't always a given.
You know, it was like, Jesus,

666
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,760
what's going to happen?
Yeah, exactly.

667
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,400
And there was so many people
against, you know, vaccination

668
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,800
and all that.
And you know, it was, you know,

669
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,120
that was their choice.
You know, I, I had one guy who I

670
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,040
said, look, you know, this is
the tour policy.

671
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,320
And he went, I ain't, you know,
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not

672
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,720
getting the vaccine.
I said, well, look, that's,

673
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,120
that's your choice, is that.
But you know, he says I'm not

674
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,120
putting that shit in my body.
I said, well, I said I've known

675
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,760
you for quite some time, you put
your body in, but I don't think

676
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,760
the vaccine is going to harm.
You, me and Wiseman had that

677
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,520
conversation, by the way.
And and he's like, you know, who

678
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,880
am I to be saying I'm not
putting something in my body,

679
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,720
you know?
Yeah.

680
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,280
So no, it's it's pretty funny.
But yeah, you know, and since

681
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,680
then, like what's been so, I
mean, times have shifted so much

682
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,920
since those early days in 21
post COVID, right?

683
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,600
So what has been some of the
biggest challenges that you've

684
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,920
had moving these these shows
around?

685
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,720
You know, there's freight,
there's supply chain, there's

686
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:02,080
all of those things, people.
What's been the greatest

687
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,560
problem?
I think crew, you know, because

688
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,240
we lost, we lost, you know, we,
you know, everybody that we

689
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,720
talked to, we reckon we lost
probably about 30% of our, you

690
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,560
know, of our people and which is
a huge amount.

691
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:21,200
So there's a lot of retraining
and you know, like many

692
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,080
different tours.
And it wasn't just one vendor.

693
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Every vendor had it, you know,
no matter who you spoke to, they

694
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,840
were all saying the same thing.
You know, it's like, it's just,

695
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,680
it's hard to get people and the
industry isn't the same as it

696
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,240
used to be anyway.
It's not, as you know, I mean,

697
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,440
back in the day, we all thought
it was glamorous, and it was.

698
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,600
It was a lot of fun, you know,
But it's a business now and it's

699
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,640
not as glamorous as it used to
be.

700
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,480
Yeah.
Don't want to leave home, you

701
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,280
know?
Yeah, yeah, I get it, I get it.

702
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,440
Gypsies, tramps and thieves.
And we just all laughed and went

703
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,880
and did it, you know?
Yeah.

704
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Whereas the younger people,
they're not really that sure

705
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,200
that they want to do that, you
know?

706
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Yeah, well, and, and it's
interesting, you know, I talk to

707
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,880
people about this all the time,
but, you know, people think that

708
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,800
it's still a gypsies, tramps and
thieves industry and it's not a

709
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
real job and they can't make
real money and that kind of

710
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,040
thing.
But, you know, you can go out on

711
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,520
a tour and and make a decent
income now, especially if you

712
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,360
don't have, you know, 13 college
degrees or whatever.

713
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:27,040
But, you know, it's it can be a
very good life, you know.

714
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,040
And so, yeah, I think there's
there needs to be some better

715
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,960
marketing perhaps.
And I talk to people about that

716
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,920
all the time.
But yeah, so.

717
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Yeah.
But you know, I mean vendors,

718
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,640
you know, like vendors come back
pretty well, you know, I mean,

719
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,400
we lost, you know, a few, but
not not too many, you know.

720
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,440
But you know, they come back
quite well and they managed to,

721
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,040
you know, as best they could.
So, you know, hats off to the

722
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,080
mall, like, I mean, freight
lighting, you know, video, the

723
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,000
whole lot.
Like everybody come back into it

724
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,760
and got it together, you know?
And they're all thriving now.

725
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,200
You know, it's crazy how well
the industry has done through

726
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,840
this, you know, because like I
somehow became sort of the, the

727
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,080
sounding board or whatever for
so many of these people during

728
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,760
COVID.
I was doing this weekly zoom

729
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,240
call for everyone and, and
people were dropping in and just

730
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,240
depressed and ready to close
their businesses.

731
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,360
And some were practically
suicidal.

732
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,360
And you know, it, it was, it was
desperate times for some people.

733
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Like, and I'd get private calls
from people saying, I don't know

734
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,960
what to do.
I'm about to lose my house, I'm

735
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,960
about to lose my wife.
I'm, you know, losing everything

736
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,400
my business that I've built for
25 years.

737
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,040
And like a couple of them I
helped, you know, there's one in

738
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,840
particular, I won't mention
names, but you know, the bank

739
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,600
was ready to take the founders
homes and the bank were just

740
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,760
being Dicks basically like it,
it wasn't even that they'd

741
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680
missed payments.
It was on covenants.

742
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,560
You know, it was just a stupid
thing.

743
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,480
And I ended up helping them sell
their company and so.

744
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,360
You know, they had, they had
personal guarantees on all the

745
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,520
debt and, and it was, you know,
4 or $5,000,000 as I recall.

746
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,680
And you know, they were going to
lose their homes, they were

747
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,120
going to lose everything, their
business, their livelihoods.

748
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,720
And we ended up helping them
sell their, their business and

749
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560
they're now, you know, doing
other things and they've got

750
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,160
some money in their pockets and
they're happy.

751
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,680
So, but yeah, it was, it was
tough times.

752
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Well, you know, I mean, even
just as I say, I'm sitting here

753
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,080
on the Beat the Street bus,
like, I mean, York started Beat

754
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
the Street right before the
pandemic.

755
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Yeah, that's tough, man.
Off to him for getting through

756
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,600
it, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

757
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,880
He built these buses and they
just sat.

758
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,560
Yeah, Yeah.
Well, and I would assume that

759
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,320
you've got some debt that you're
now carrying and the bank

760
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,480
expects to get paid back.
They don't care.

761
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,440
And yeah, so that was probably
really hard times for a minute.

762
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,920
And you know, knowing the rates
for buses coming out of COVID.

763
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,680
He's doing OK now.
He can't.

764
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,920
He can't build them quick enough
now.

765
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,840
That's awesome.
That's awesome.

766
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,760
And you know, it's like, you
know, the same thing with

767
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,000
trucking companies and stuff,
you know, like, I mean, they, it

768
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,480
was, it was tough times for
them, you know, because like all

769
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
that we've been offered was
like, you know, Amazon work and

770
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,480
all that, which didn't.
And you know, this good friend

771
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,200
of mine in Ireland, Frank
McGinnis, and he is McGinnis

772
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,240
Trucking.
He he pretty much mothballed

773
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,120
most of it.
He wouldn't do those.

774
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,960
He wouldn't do those things
because as he says, you know,

775
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,480
you have a blow out of the tire
and there's your profit come for

776
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,080
that, for that job, you know?
So yeah, he said he was gone.

777
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,160
He managed to keep his drivers
on and he mothballed most of us

778
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,440
and just did some very, very,
you know, work that he had other

779
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,680
work for Intel or something like
that, and he managed to get

780
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,880
through it, you know.
Yeah, yeah, I read, maybe it was

781
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,160
the same article where I read
the other stuff, but I read that

782
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,240
you, you actually took on some,
some driving opportunities and

783
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,080
you know, just whatever, just to
keep the Guinness pumps flowing,

784
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,920
I guess.
It was just to keep my mind

785
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,760
active, you know, I mean, I, I,
you know, I, I drove trucks

786
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,480
years and years ago, you know,
I, I, I drove my first one

787
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,960
illegally, obviously, you know,
as you do at that age and.

788
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,640
For we all did, yeah.
Edwin Shearley, semi and the

789
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,280
driver happened to have too many
Guinness in Dublin one time and

790
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,800
he got locked up.
So we're sitting there thinking,

791
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,840
how the hell are we going to do
this?

792
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,680
Nice.
Well, I drove around the parking

793
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,080
lot at the TV studio the other
day.

794
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,400
I think I can handle it.
So I jumped in the truck and I

795
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,920
drove it from Dublin to Belfast,
Oh.

796
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,800
My goodness.
Yes, Edwin and Roy Lamb come up

797
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,760
to see me.
You know they said.

798
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,120
You know, they said, what do you
you know what?

799
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,880
What made you do that?
And I said, well, I said, we

800
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,920
just needed to get it here, you
know, And I said it was like,

801
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,320
you know, the job's done.
You know, the gig's done

802
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,200
everything.
Everybody should be happy.

803
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Get your license and, you know,
and and we'll insure you

804
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,720
because, you know, you'll do
this again.

805
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,480
Insure until I'm 25.
And they said, what?

806
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160
We'll figure that out.
I said, OK, but look, you know,

807
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,680
I'm going to be 21 in a few
weeks.

808
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,360
I said, I'll get it down.
And they looked at each other

809
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,520
and they looked at me and they
went, you're not 21.

810
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,800
And I went, why?
They said, you've been driving

811
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,560
our bobtails around Europe for
the last two years.

812
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,000
And I said, what's wrong with
that is they said you weren't

813
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,560
insured.
I said that was in the past,

814
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,160
don't worry about it.
Well, they had a point, and so

815
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,600
did you.
We're still here, but I learned

816
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,160
to drive trucks and I did a
couple of Queen tours as a truck

817
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,320
driver, you know, and I did
this.

818
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,880
Really.
There was a truck driver?

819
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

820
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,600
Great.
I read I read another thing

821
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,080
where you you had a snapped
throttle cable.

822
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920
Oh, with Jake.
Yeah.

823
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Jake Berry and myself.
Yeah, we were, we were out on

824
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,680
the, in fact, it was the first
Def Leppard tour in the UK,

825
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,360
Little Theatre tour.
And Jake was the production

826
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,720
manager and I was the lighting
designer.

827
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,320
So our truck driver had burned
her, burned her hand.

828
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
It was Sandy from Trans Am.
She she had burned her hand.

829
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,440
So her brother drove the semi
and we said we'd drive the

830
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,280
bobtail to get.
So we drove overnight from St.

831
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,240
Austell and we stopped at Jake's
mom's house for tea on the way,

832
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,640
like at 4:00 in the morning, you
know?

833
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,640
As you do, yeah.
Next thing any added the

834
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:38,560
throttle cable snapped so we got
under us and we poked it up

835
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,000
through where the gear leakage
was and we got an old rag and

836
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,800
held around it.
So basically I would steer and

837
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,640
change gears and Jacob, you
know, Jake would literally pull

838
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,080
the throttle and then we'd swap
over, you know, and.

839
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,080
When his arm got tired.
Yeah.

840
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,640
And when you get tired, then,
you know, you'd suddenly have,

841
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,040
you know, like, you know,
whoever's on the throttle will

842
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,840
be sort of falling asleep, you
know, and the truck flying.

843
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,600
Yeah.
Go, let go.

844
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:12,080
Let go on a bloody dropper.
Yeah, Oh my God.

845
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
But we.
Got there anyway, and yeah, some

846
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,080
some good laughs, you know?
Well, it, it reminds me of one

847
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,240
time when I was a kid and my
friend had this like boogie van

848
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,480
thing.
You know, like in, in the US in

849
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,920
the, in the 70s, we would buy
these like 60s Ford or Chevy

850
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,720
vans and they'd have the little,
the little like teardrop sort of

851
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,680
window things at the back and
big fat tires and stuff and a

852
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,840
big sound system.
So he had one of those.

853
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600
And one night we were out
drinking and of course went to

854
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,280
drive home, as you do, and he
only had reverse, None of the

855
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,440
other gears would work.
And so we drove from one side of

856
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Calgary to the other side of
Calgary with him drunk in

857
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,160
reverse.
And so I'm hanging out the

858
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,520
window going little bit left.
No, no, my left, not your left.

859
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,960
No, a little bit right.
You know, And I mean, it was how

860
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,120
we survived that and how he
didn't go to jail, I have no

861
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,880
idea.
The the COVID thing, you know,

862
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,520
what happened there was, was
the, the movies come back in, in

863
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,120
Ireland, you know.
And.

864
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,480
So I only live 500 yards from
the main studio, from Ardmore

865
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,360
Studios.
And they were looking for people

866
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,360
to drive because what would
happen is they would bring over,

867
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,960
say, 40 trucks, you know, from
the UK, and they'd leave five

868
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,480
people there and they'd just get
local drivers to move them at

869
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,400
night.
So it was that The Last Duel,

870
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,880
which was Matt Damon and Ridley
Scott, he produced or whatever,

871
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,640
you know.
Yeah, it was that one.

872
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,240
And they had a lot of trucks.
So many of what they did was

873
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:57,040
they they hired Eddie Foster,
who was Eddie owns a big surface

874
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,800
in Ireland, you know, so they
they hired him to do all the,

875
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,240
you know, to move the trucks.
So Eddie phones read like last

876
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,960
last minute and he says, look,
I'm short of driver and I said,

877
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,640
I don't know.
And he says you yet, you know,

878
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:12,560
come up and do it.
And I said, I haven't driven for

879
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,840
a while.
He says, don't worry, He says

880
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,560
we'll not the cobwebs off.
You know, he, I go up and I spot

881
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,600
this tractor trailer and it was,
you know, a Mercedes or

882
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,240
something.
That's a perfect one there for

883
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,040
me anyway.
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Hang on, hang on.
So he's talking to the transport

885
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,080
manager.
Transport managers.

886
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,280
Just there's one up the back of
the house and it's.

887
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,560
It was really awkward to get in.
So you need someone good to get

888
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,080
it out.
He turns and he goes famous.

889
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,560
That's yours.
I want you asshole.

890
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,880
I didn't, but I couldn't find a
handbrake.

891
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,320
I couldn't find anything on it.
I'd never driven a Mercedes

892
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,000
before.
I was all over the place, but I

893
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,360
come out sweating buckets.
But I got it out of there and

894
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,840
headed down the road and and I
really, I enjoyed it.

895
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,160
You know, I had a good laugh
doing it.

896
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,240
He said, you know, he calls me.
Then a couple of days later, he

897
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:00,960
says, look, they want us to do
some more.

898
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,920
And I said, what's this?
I said, you know, fastest

899
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,680
driving agency or something.
And he said, yeah, so we got

900
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,000
known as the FDA fastest driving
agency.

901
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,920
But it was all guys like Andrew
Barn, You know, he said he's a

902
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040
music, he's in the music
industry.

903
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,600
He has, you know, he had his
license and Niall Walsh, who has

904
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,280
his own company over there
moving stuff, you know, Niall

905
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,360
Anto, Eddie, myself, you know,
it was a lot of people from the

906
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,560
music industry, you know.
Yeah.

907
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,240
And so we got pretty well known
and we got to know, you know,

908
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,840
the slide outs on the, on the
dressing room trailers and all

909
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960
that.
So instead of like, you know,

910
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,480
standing around waiting for
everything, we just got stuck

911
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,480
in.
So every, all the teams wanted

912
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,600
us, you know, and you'd go out
at 5:00 at night and you'd be

913
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,760
home by 10.
That's fantastic.

914
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Also, they, they do a wrap and
we'd take the stuff to the next

915
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,640
location then head home.
But it was quite fun.

916
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:03,760
But we went down, we had to go
down to where was it down to the

917
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,920
Canary Islands.
One time they have some stuff

918
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440
down there.
So we had to bring it back from

919
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,640
there and there was 16 trucks.
So they, they flew us down and

920
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,720
we had to go from Forte Ventura
to Gran Gran Canaria and then

921
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,200
Gran Canaria to Spain and then
drive up through Spain and then

922
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,960
across the Ireland.
So that was an interesting one

923
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,760
because we had stowaways and
everything, you know, coming out

924
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,840
of Gran Canaria.
Very, very interesting.

925
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,400
You know, it was horrible to see
because like they were hiding in

926
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,480
generators, everything.
It was a it was, it was an

927
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,520
experience that I.
Why is that?

928
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,560
Just because they needed to get
out of there or?

929
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,440
Yeah, well, it's what they do is
they'd come across from Morocco

930
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,440
and stuff and they'd, you know,
get on folks there and try and

931
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,040
get it, you know, get to Europe,
you know, for a better life.

932
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,520
And they were, you know, they
were like sort of 1920 year

933
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,400
olds.
It was horrible, you know, and

934
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,000
like they had nothing.
They had little tiny little

935
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,720
bags.
That was their existence.

936
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,240
It was, it was an eye opener.
You know, that's rough.

937
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,920
Yeah, that's rough.
It was one in because I had a

938
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,880
generator with a dressing room
behind us.

939
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:10,160
And now I said check your
generator.

940
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,840
I said that's too small and he
said check it.

941
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,480
So we opened it up and there was
a guy lying on top of the

942
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,480
engine.
Oh my God, this.

943
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,760
Was about to do a 32 hour
journey on a ferry.

944
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,280
He would have died.
Wow, you know.

945
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,920
Wow.
Found them, you know.

946
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,480
That is incredible.
Yeah, it was.

947
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,040
It was horrible, you know?
Well, it just tells you how

948
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,480
desperate they are I guess,
right?

949
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,120
It was 11/11 in total were taken
off our vehicles.

950
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,280
Yeah, Jesus.
I mean, it reminds me of that,

951
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,560
that crazy image that you saw
when The Jets were trying to

952
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,480
take off from Afghanistan and
people were like hanging on to

953
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,760
the wings or the wheels or
anything.

954
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,400
You know you that's not going to
end well.

955
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680
But, you know, and like, these
kids were desperate.

956
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,120
They, they were obviously
leaving their family behind

957
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,320
them.
They were leaving everything

958
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,440
and, you know, for.
And they were willing to do this

959
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,440
to get something better out of
life, you know?

960
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,440
Yeah.
You know, I live here in South

961
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,520
Florida and I remember when I
first moved here, dumb kid from

962
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,880
Canada and seeing these people
coming in on like inner tubes

963
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,840
from Cuba, you know, or, or like
just these, these boats that

964
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,920
they'd kind of made out of four
logs that they tied together or

965
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,240
whatever, right?
Like you're just not going to

966
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,680
make it, you know?
And the very few who do are

967
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,640
pretty beat up by the time they
get here.

968
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,840
You know it's but it it's just
the conditions must be that bad

969
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,600
that you're willing to chance
it, I guess.

970
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,840
Yeah, it's unreal.
Yeah, So you're going back out

971
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,320
on on peace out, right?
Yeah, Yeah, we're.

972
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,080
We rehearsed that last year.
We were in Rockland for three

973
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,080
weeks.
We rehearsed it and we got three

974
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,080
shows in and then Steven lost
his voice, you know?

975
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Yeah, horrible.
You know, because everybody got

976
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,680
like a month, month and a half
out of them.

977
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,320
That was it.
And we, we had to quit, you

978
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,440
know.
You know, Steven Tyler is, is

979
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,360
like, I'm not a fan of some of
the bands that are sort of

980
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,080
trying to prolong their careers,
you know, especially singers who

981
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Can't Sing anymore.
And Steven Tyler is not that

982
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,760
guy.
Like Steven Tyler to me is a

983
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
stud.
Like, he's a rock star.

984
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,040
He's singing so well, he still
has the hair and the the

985
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,120
bandanas hanging off and scarves
and stuff, and he looks like a

986
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,520
rock star and he's 76 years old.
Yeah, he's, you know, he was

987
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,440
like, I'm not.
He was amazing.

988
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,160
He really was.
And yeah, the best frontman out

989
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,360
there.
Yeah.

990
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:49,520
He's hilarious and he's Yeah, he
is when you, when you, you know,

991
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,240
if you look up rock star in the
dictionary.

992
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,160
It's him, Yeah.
It's him.

993
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,560
Him and Mick Jagger.
I mean, Jesus, Mick Jagger.

994
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,560
Same thing at 80 years old I'm.
Running around like.

995
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:05,880
A like a running, like sprinting
out into the audience, you know,

996
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,200
watching video of him is just
blowing me away, you know,

997
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,840
because again, I'm turning 60
this week and I'm thinking, Oh

998
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,600
my God, it's over.
I'm done.

999
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,760
But I watch him sprinting across
the stage or out into the

1000
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,960
audience and I'm like, OK, I got
some time left.

1001
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,840
Yes.
You know.

1002
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,280
Steven's the same, like he's up
and down that stage, you know?

1003
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,040
It's it's, he's so athletic,
it's unreal, you know?

1004
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:33,400
Yeah, yeah, I mean it.
It really is.

1005
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,880
I, you know, I know you probably
can't say anything, but I just

1006
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,200
hope that he's able to hold it
together, you know?

1007
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,000
I hope that.
And I'm sure you're circling

1008
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,200
dates and going, come on, make
it, you know?

1009
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,280
We're all hoping, you know, it's
that, yeah.

1010
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,400
Great.
Song now look, I mean it it it

1011
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,800
looked great.
It sounded great and you know it

1012
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,640
was it was a great team out
there.

1013
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:03,880
It was it's all at one end, but
it's sold 360 and it's like it's

1014
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,360
it's a big show.
It was 187 rigging points and a

1015
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:14,360
lot of motion control from Tate,
and it was Cosmo, you know, he

1016
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,440
designed a lot, Yeah.
It's a.

1017
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,640
Real rock it, you know, because
to do something you know in in a

1018
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,000
sort of a in in the round
situation to make it look like a

1019
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,080
rock show is difficult, you
know, difficult.

1020
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,960
But Cosmo did it.
He really did, it looked.

1021
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,520
For me, you're talking about the
what was it Finley?

1022
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,560
Not yeah, Finley Park.
No, no, no.

1023
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,480
About the actual the touring,
yeah, the touring 1.

1024
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,360
So is the touring design much
different than the the the 11

1025
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,960
off that you did?
Yeah, it's it's literally the

1026
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,880
touring, the touring design.
It's like a triangle at one end

1027
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,840
of the arena.
So it's a big triangular and

1028
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,880
it's like the video walls are up
top.

1029
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,440
So there's like 3, three video
walls in a big triangle.

1030
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,000
And then the lighting rig sits
up within the video walls.

1031
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,680
Oh, OK, so interesting.
Yeah, it's really, really

1032
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,280
interesting.
And then he has, you know, all

1033
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,120
the processes are on motion
control.

1034
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,840
He's got the big icon that they
used in Fenway and whatever, you

1035
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,800
know, yeah, moves.
It's just, it's a really, really

1036
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,920
clever show, you know?
Yeah, I really, really hope to

1037
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,480
see it.
I hope they hold it together

1038
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,560
because obviously if, if they
have to end it again, you know,

1039
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,040
you're just, you're getting
closer and closer to not being

1040
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,560
able to go out and do it
properly, you know, and as we

1041
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,440
age, obviously.
And you know, they were playing

1042
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,240
so well.
Yeah, yeah.

1043
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,960
Playing well, it was, it was
just so sad.

1044
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,640
We we just couldn't believe it.
You know, we thought when it

1045
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,680
happened, at first we thought,
OK, you know, we're going to

1046
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,640
we're going to just cancel to
Ronald maybe and maybe, maybe

1047
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,320
we'll cancel a week.
Yeah.

1048
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,680
And and that was it, you know,
so we literally just sent all

1049
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,280
the trucks to storage and stuff,
you know, because we in just

1050
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,440
like a week from now, we'll be
or 10 days, we'll be back on the

1051
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,480
road you.
Know right?

1052
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,080
And then word come back that it
was a lot worse than anybody

1053
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,960
expected.
Yeah, yeah.

1054
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,640
Well, good luck with that
because you know, I'm sure it's

1055
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,280
it's going to capture a big part
of your calendar too.

1056
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,040
And it goes.
September through the March, you

1057
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,520
know.
Yeah, I know for Cosmo, it's

1058
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,200
been tough too.
You know, I've been talking to

1059
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,440
him because, you know, it was so
weird because going through

1060
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,320
COVID when you know, like he has
all these old artists, you know,

1061
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,120
he's got he's got Judas Priest
and ACDC and and Aerosmith and

1062
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,720
all these bands were like, Oh
no, we're going to be careful,

1063
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,960
you know?
And so it they were the last

1064
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,360
ones to go back out, right?
And then I said, everyone said,

1065
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,680
I think Cosmo, you know they're
all going to go out at the same

1066
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,520
time, right?
And but.

1067
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,560
It it worked out for him, you
know, like I mean.

1068
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,280
It really did.
He did that now, he did

1069
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,520
Aerosmith.
Then he went to priest and

1070
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,960
priest he had to leave to go to
ACDC.

1071
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,440
ACDC finishes and Aerosmith
starts.

1072
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,520
I know, it's amazing, isn't it?
Like it's almost too good to be

1073
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,720
true.
That's same here how the Chili's

1074
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,720
finish and Eros would start.
You know, that's amazing.

1075
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,320
Yeah.
Faye, did you see any of the

1076
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,040
Judas Priest states?
I didn't, unfortunately.

1077
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,320
You know, I don't know if you're
a fan or ever have been or

1078
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,360
anything, but I was always
growing up.

1079
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,440
I was a Judas Priest fan.
I'll tell you what, that band

1080
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,640
sounds as good now as they did
friggin 3540 years ago.

1081
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,080
Well, we when, when we come over
originally with Def Leppard in

1082
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,720
1980, we, we did a few shows
with Pat Travers along the along

1083
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,320
the West Coast and then we
joined it was Judas Priest,

1084
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,920
Scorpions and Def Leppard.
I remember that, yeah.

1085
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,200
Yeah, I remember that and it's
great.

1086
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,080
It was just a great show every
night, you know?

1087
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,720
But yeah, it's like, you know, a
lot of these rock bands like, I

1088
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,640
mean, it's, you know, Aerosmith,
ACDC, you know, Priest Leopard,

1089
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,080
they've all sort of, they're
like a good wine.

1090
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,960
They've matured with age, you
know?

1091
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,440
Yeah, a lot of them, you know,
there's a few of them definitely

1092
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,920
have, you know, and those they
have, you know.

1093
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,560
Well, I mean, yeah, Def
Leppard's another one where, you

1094
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,120
know, I think I saw them, I
don't know, before the stadium

1095
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,000
tour, like two or three years
ago, and they were as good as

1096
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,400
I'd ever heard them.
Yeah.

1097
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,240
Yeah, they were really, really
good.

1098
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,520
Joe Elliott could still sing.
He sounded pretty good and

1099
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,840
fooled you on the parts that he
couldn't sing anymore.

1100
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,320
And yeah, I mean, they were
fantastic.

1101
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,840
Were you working with Def
Leppard when they did the in the

1102
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,040
round thing like back in the 80s
or whatever?

1103
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,400
Oh, yeah.
Hysteria.

1104
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,920
Yeah, I was the lighting
designer on that.

1105
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,560
Were you?
Yeah.

1106
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,560
That was such a cool show.
I saw it at the, I don't

1107
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,920
remember, I think it was the
Saddle Dome in Calgary.

1108
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,000
It was in Calgary that I saw it,
but I I think it was the Saddle

1109
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,280
Dome.
It was after the corral.

1110
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,560
Saddle Dome.
Yeah, yeah.

1111
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,360
Which is a shit venue, by the
way, as I know, you know, you

1112
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,680
can do whatever you want, but
don't hang anything.

1113
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,440
I know.
Yeah, that's crazy.

1114
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,160
But but that was such a cool
show.

1115
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,840
It was a it was just a fantastic
design.

1116
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,080
It was maybe yes was the first
in the round that I saw, but

1117
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,880
that had to be the second or
third.

1118
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,640
It was right up in the top of
that list and in.

1119
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Stage.
That was Michael Tate.

1120
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,400
Mickey Tate designed that.
Yeah, a lot of people don't

1121
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,240
realize that taste, you know,
that Mickey designed that.

1122
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,960
And, you know, he was, yes, his
lighting designer.

1123
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,440
And he came to the States.
He met Roy and Jean Claire in in

1124
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,880
in Australia and he came to the
States.

1125
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,160
And that's how he ended up in,
in Lititz.

1126
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,120
And he started a lighting
company.

1127
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,200
So he built his own lighting
desk and he had his own lighting

1128
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,360
company.
And first time I went to Litis

1129
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,760
was in 1982 because I was the
lighting designer on Olivia

1130
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Newton John.
Supplying the lighting and

1131
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,200
Claire, of course we're
supplying the PA system.

1132
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,080
And you know, you say to people
now you know Tate lighting and

1133
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,880
they look at you like you've 2
heads, you know?

1134
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,320
No, no, no, it was a lighting
copy in the beginning.

1135
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,200
Yeah, but did you ever think
that they were going to get as

1136
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,240
massive as they are, like both
Tate and Claire?

1137
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:27,760
It's.
Unreal.

1138
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,800
It's you know, the whole lit of
situation is.

1139
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,800
Incredible.
It's nuts.

1140
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,840
It's it's amazing.
Like I remember being in Lititz

1141
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,360
before Rock Lititz, you know,
Troy, Troy Claire was showing me

1142
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,640
the the drawings and everything
of what they were proposing, you

1143
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,120
know, and I remember thinking,
you know, that's it looks

1144
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,760
amazing.
But will it ever happen?

1145
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,920
Yeah.
Did it happen, You know?

1146
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Man has it ever and it it just
ain't stopping.

1147
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,600
Like they just keep getting
bigger and bigger, same with

1148
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,760
Claire.
Yeah, it's, it's incredible, you

1149
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,880
know, but but they're, they're
great companies, you know.

1150
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,520
They're, yeah, they're.
They're terrific, you know, so.

1151
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,040
I mean, if they were terrible
companies and, and you know, you

1152
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,600
hated them or whatever, then
you'd be like, they're not going

1153
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,640
to grow much bigger.
But they just keep doing

1154
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,320
everything right.
Like what are you going to do?

1155
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,440
You can't, you can't, you know,
go against them or anything

1156
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,320
because they're just, they're
nice people and they're good

1157
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,840
companies.
So hey, good on them.

1158
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Make it still, you know, like we
were there during rehearsals and

1159
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,680
I think I was in, it was the 2nd
day I went down to per diem in

1160
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,600
the in the hotel, you know, and
I was standing there having a

1161
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,040
glass of wine with some people
and next thing in walks Mr. Tate

1162
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,960
himself.
Like, as funny as ever, you

1163
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,720
know?
Yeah, yeah.

1164
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,440
He come around most nights and
hung out with us, you know?

1165
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,360
And he's, he's, you know, it's
hard to believe what he's, what

1166
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,120
he's achieved, you know?
It really is.

1167
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,720
Yeah.
I haven't seen him for a couple

1168
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,080
of years.
You know, I went back and

1169
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,840
listened to our first podcast
that we did and and heard you

1170
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,440
telling a story about Peter
Clark at at Super Mick and that

1171
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,320
brought back some interesting
memories for me too.

1172
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,120
You know, like he was, he was
one of the original crazy.

1173
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,640
People Oh, yeah.
I mean, it was like, you know,

1174
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,040
back in the day, it was, it was
that old thing like where, you

1175
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,640
know, somebody called up and it
was like looking for a lighting

1176
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,120
system and the, the everybody
used to always say, you know,

1177
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,720
two trucks with two crew, two
spots, 2 grand.

1178
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,240
So easy.
Simple.

1179
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,360
Yeah.
Is he?

1180
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,200
I hate to ask, and I don't even
typically ask this, but is he

1181
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,480
still around?
Is he among us?

1182
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,000
He's he's among us.
Yeah, absolutely.

1183
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,280
But he's just, he doesn't do
anything in the music industry.

1184
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,760
Anymore.
No, no, he stopped a long time

1185
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,600
ago.
Yeah, he turns up to add a bit

1186
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,360
of comedy to things every so
often, you know?

1187
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,600
Oh, does he?
Yeah, he doesn't even turn up

1188
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,560
and the whole place just starts
cracking up You.

1189
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,440
Know, of course.
Yeah, he's a funny dude.

1190
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:02,760
He was a very funny.
Yeah, I I didn't realize this.

1191
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,200
I just noticed recently that you
joined this 360 collective

1192
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,040
thing.
Yeah.

1193
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,680
Can you tell tell me any more
about that?

1194
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:17,360
So it's, it's, it's, it's new,
but Roland, I've, I've known

1195
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,480
Roland there for quite some
time.

1196
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,960
It'll be 10 years or whatever,
you know.

1197
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,880
Yeah, you work together.
I think the first thing we did

1198
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,840
was Spandau Ballet together, you
know, and production manager, he

1199
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:32,080
was, he was working with Patrick
Patrick Patrick was, he was the

1200
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:38,080
LD from with founder forever,
you know, and so Patrick and and

1201
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,160
Terry come in to program and
then Roland was going to run it.

1202
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,040
So I worked with him and we've
been great friends ever since.

1203
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,560
You know, so he started talking
about it and everything like

1204
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,920
that.
You know what, what the whole

1205
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,280
idea is and, and basically what
it is.

1206
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,520
It's a company that you know,
everything, they can take any

1207
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:03,800
concept from anything, you know,
be as a band or a corporate or a

1208
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,000
big TV show or anything, you
know, sporting event.

1209
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,400
There's so many people in there
that are qualified in all these

1210
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,520
events, you know, and it's just
a one stop shop, you know, it's

1211
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,440
just a big company, but it's
it's got a lot of big names in

1212
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,280
it now, you know.
It really does.

1213
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,760
I, you know, it's a who's who.
Yeah.

1214
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,800
It's, it's, it's an amazing list
of people.

1215
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,200
And I've always been a fan of
collectives.

1216
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,960
I know not everyone, not
everyone believes in the

1217
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,680
concept, I guess.
I have a, a friend who's got a

1218
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:39,720
very successful tech company
collective and like very

1219
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,320
successful.
They're doing really, really

1220
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,760
well.
And they have everything from

1221
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,520
chief technology officers to
coders to marketing directors to

1222
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,640
all kinds of different people.
And but they work for like, you

1223
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,480
know, Fortune 500 types of
companies, you know, and

1224
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,040
especially turnarounds, like if
a venture capital firm is going

1225
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,880
to come in and buy a company or
whatever, they'll come in and do

1226
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,040
a turn around and they'll put in
a interim chief technology

1227
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,520
officer, interim chief financial
officer, interim whatever.

1228
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,040
And, you know, I've spent a lot
of time talking with him about

1229
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,400
how it all works from a
financial standpoint,

1230
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,760
especially, you know, like how
does everyone get paid?

1231
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,720
You know, and it's, it's such an
interesting concept, but what a

1232
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,560
powerful, you know, entity
because, you know, like when we

1233
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:33,480
talk about things like Tate and
and Claire, you don't it, it's

1234
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,320
hard to be the small one when
you're dealing with such huge

1235
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,800
corporations.
Now, whether it's, you know,

1236
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,920
Live Nation or the artists
themselves or the Sounder

1237
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,640
Lighting Company or, you know,
whatever it is like, you don't

1238
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,680
want to get squashed by all of
them.

1239
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,320
And so sometimes you need a much
larger sort of umbrella over

1240
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,960
your head.
And it seems to make a lot of

1241
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,520
sense.
Yeah.

1242
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,840
I mean, you know, as I say,
we've we've just put it together

1243
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,960
so.
Yeah, it's early, early days

1244
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,600
progresses.
Yeah.

1245
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,440
Yeah.
Are you working on any cool big

1246
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,960
corporate stuff these days or?
No, I'm, I've, I've literally

1247
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,200
got this and I've got the, the
Aerosmith thing and that's

1248
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,160
enough for me, you know?
I'm yeah, yeah.

1249
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,480
You know, because obviously as
as this rolls on, we start

1250
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,200
planning the Aerosmith thing.
So yeah, there's enough.

1251
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:25,800
There's enough in those two, you
know.

1252
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,000
Yeah.
Do you ever get to see your wife

1253
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,480
or.
Yeah, now and again.

1254
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,160
Yeah.
Yeah, it's always a difficult

1255
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,920
part of touring, isn't it?
Yes, it is.

1256
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Yeah, but it's weird how many
people I know got divorced

1257
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,720
during COVID, you know, because
it's like the wife would turn

1258
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,680
around and go, why are you still
here?

1259
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,000
Get out.
Yeah, Go play in traffic.

1260
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Do something.
Yeah, yeah, they just drove each

1261
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:54,320
other nuts 'cause I even Cosmo
told me, like I was thinking the

1262
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,760
other day, I've never been with
my wife for more than like a

1263
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,040
month.
Yeah.

1264
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,880
And so sometimes that puts a
strain on a relationship when

1265
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,320
you're not used to that kind of
stuff, right, As weird as it

1266
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,240
sounds.
Well, The thing is, they have

1267
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,880
their own thing going on as
well.

1268
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,400
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Yeah, they've they've figured

1269
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,440
out a life with you on the road.
Yeah.

1270
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,560
Exactly, yeah.
Do you do any F1 stuff anymore?

1271
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,000
No, I haven't done that since
since the 2000s.

1272
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,840
But I still watch it, you know,
I still enjoy it.

1273
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,280
Yeah.
And in fact, back in back in the

1274
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,840
2000s, in the early years, we
were with Orange Arrows, you

1275
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,440
know, and it was a thing that
was built by Brilliant stages

1276
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,720
and we took that out around the
world and our driver was just

1277
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,240
for stopping.
It was nice, yeah.

1278
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,920
Max's dad, Yeah.
That and, and literally we had,

1279
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,480
we had, you know, races that he
would come up on the unit to do

1280
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,320
a meet and greet thing, although
he didn't like it.

1281
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,520
He was, you know, he never liked
doing that.

1282
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,400
But it was him and Pedro de La
Raza and Max would be sitting in

1283
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,880
the buggy at the side, you know?
Yeah.

1284
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,080
So yeah, that's funny.
Think that it'd be world

1285
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,480
champion now you know.
Seems to have worked out OK.

1286
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,200
Yeah, that's.
Slightly.

1287
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,000
Yeah, my, my son's a racing
driver and and how's.

1288
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,640
He.
Doing he's doing OK, you know,

1289
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,800
he's just realizing that his dad
is missing a couple zeros off

1290
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,479
the end of his bank account to
really get him to the top.

1291
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,120
You know, it's it's kind of a
weird world in racing right now.

1292
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,120
You know, it's, it's, there's so
many billionaires in the world

1293
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,439
and unless you happen to be
attached to one of them, it

1294
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,520
makes it much harder.
So.

1295
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:40,120
Well, there's an Irish, there's
an Irish guy now that's.

1296
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,640
Most drivers these days are
showing up with a big bag of

1297
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,439
cash and so there's not not very
many drivers making it in on

1298
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,439
merit anymore.
Yeah, unfortunately.

1299
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,319
There's an Irish guy now that's
doing well in I think it's

1300
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:58,840
Formula Three or Formula Two,
but he's with McLaren and he's a

1301
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,160
guy that John Campion sponsored
and put them together.

1302
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,439
Remember John?
Yeah, yeah.

1303
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,000
Which guy is that though?
Which driver?

1304
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,439
Alex Dunn, I think his name is.
Oh, I know Alex Dunn.

1305
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,120
Yeah, my son raced against him
last.

1306
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:13,880
Not last year.
Maybe the year before.

1307
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,279
There you go.
Yeah, we know Alex Dunn.

1308
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,760
Yeah.
So he's he's doing well and

1309
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,279
that's thanks to John.
And you know what he did with

1310
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:23,720
the Irish motorsport stuff, you
know?

1311
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,760
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we raced for an Irish

1312
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:35,279
team last year for a little
while and ended up my, my son

1313
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:39,560
did the, the Jim Clark.
It was like the 50th anniversary

1314
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,760
of him winning his first
championship or whatever.

1315
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:47,960
And so we were at some castle, I
think it was called maybe Dunn

1316
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,760
Castle or something, I don't
remember.

1317
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,040
But we were in the little town
where Jim Clark was from and

1318
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,880
there's a castle there and they,
they had this big event there

1319
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,560
and my son was there like
signing autographs by his race

1320
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,960
car and stuff.
So it was pretty fun and

1321
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:06,040
included and got to drive a
formula car down the streets

1322
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,960
because they couldn't back the
trucks up into the onto this

1323
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,360
castle property, right into the
into the yard.

1324
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,520
And so he had to drive the car
through the town and and it was

1325
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,360
pretty cool getting high fived
from people along the streets

1326
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:28,720
and stuff.
But yeah, So what else did I

1327
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,800
want to ask you?
Your kids, do they still work in

1328
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,400
the business?
They do, yeah.

1329
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,760
Yeah.
The eldest, the the three of

1330
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,920
them were out on Ed Sheeran for
the, you know, for that run that

1331
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,400
was there.
Yeah.

1332
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,880
They all went down to doing
videos.

1333
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,440
So the eldest 1, Owen, he's he
was the video crew chief on that

1334
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,160
and the 18 video crew on us, you
know, and but he decided then

1335
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,640
that, you know, he wants to, he
wants to change his career.

1336
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:58,400
So he was saying, you know, he
was thinking of doing stage

1337
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:03,960
management.
So then Casper Brogaard, who is

1338
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:10,080
now Lars was always the the
production manager plus audio

1339
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,520
guy for Rod for years.
So his son Casper has taken over

1340
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,160
as production manager.
So Casper then asked Owen, my

1341
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,520
son, to be stage manager.
So.

1342
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,840
So he's out there with Rob
Stewart at the moment stage

1343
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:23,520
managing that.
Oh.

1344
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,320
That's cool.
And then the.

1345
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,360
Other two What are they doing?
They're out on ACDC.

1346
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,520
Oh wow, Yeah, they're out with
Cosmo.

1347
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,840
That's fantastic.
So is is that how you would have

1348
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,200
scripted it or did they just do
that all on their own?

1349
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Did it all on their own, yeah.
So you weren't like saying, hey

1350
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,800
guys, you want to get in this
business, do it, do it, do it.

1351
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,000
No, they literally came to me
and said, you know, can we have

1352
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,080
a go at it?
And I said sure.

1353
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,800
And that was it.
It was, it was their choice, you

1354
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,280
know?
That's fantastic.

1355
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,000
That's good.
Yeah.

1356
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,640
And my son still is just a gear
head, like in his head, he just

1357
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,520
wants to drive race cars.
And maybe someday he'll realize

1358
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,680
he needs a job and and he'll
come and ask me the same

1359
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,400
questions.
Yeah.

1360
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,080
Yeah.
Well, you know, I know you have

1361
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,600
more important other things to
do.

1362
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,480
And so I appreciate you taking a
little bit of time to come and

1363
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,960
chat with me.
It's it's always fun catching

1364
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,640
up.
Yeah, absolutely.