#245 - Bob Harmon - Eggshell Lighting Company

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Well, hello there and welcome

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back.
Thanks for joining me today.

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I appreciate it.
It's going to be another fun

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one.
We have Bob Harmon on today and

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I'll go through his bio and
stuff in a bit.

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But most of you listening
probably know Bob and have seen

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him at many, many trade shows,
seen him when you're doing shows

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in Hawaii, seen him on our
weekly Zoom calls during COVID,

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doing the most incredible show
and tell.

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An incredible storyteller, a
great friend, great guy, one of

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the nicest people you'll ever
meet.

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And so, yeah, I'm looking
forward to that one.

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But of course, my favorite topic
lately has been AI.

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So I'm not gonna disappoint you.
Music creation.

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I've been looking at some of
these tools and you know, I've

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shared some of this information
with you already.

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I wrote a couple jingles or
wrote, I basically prompted a

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couple of AI programs to write
some jingles for my company and

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those turned out really well.
We have a couple of Geezers of

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Gear ones.
Maybe I'll share them with you

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next week.
And funny, I actually shared it

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with Sarah, our producer, who
you probably remember very well.

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And Sarah, like me, is a bit of
a technology nerd.

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She loves new tech and just
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stuff, how it works.
And one thing you don't know

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about Sarah is that her husband
is an IT guy.

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So he's a tech nerd as well.
And so I, I shared a couple of

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these music AI programs with
Sarah.

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And now her husband has been
serenading Sarah with love songs

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that he has created using these
AI apps.

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So it's pretty funny in some of
the big AI news that I've been

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reading about this week, you may
have heard about this one.

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There's a fight between Sam
Altman, the CEO of Open AI and

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ChatGPT about this thing, which
is quite funny actually.

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So they've been demonstrating
their new ChatGPT 4 OO stands

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for Omni, as I recall.
And there's some really cool new

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features and I'm just starting
to get some of them because most

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of them are in beta and some of
them will become released to

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paying customers, which I am
one.

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And so I'm starting to get some
of the features, but I don't

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have the full voice yet.
And so there's some really new

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voice stuff where it's
practically creepy.

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I mean, you can go and look for
some of the, if you search for

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ChatGPT 4 O demos, voice demos,
you'll get, you know, there's

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these, it's almost like you
know, these future dating apps

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or something where it's a girl
who laughs at all your jokes and

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tells you, you look pretty today
or you look nice today or that

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suit is nice or whatever.
There's a thing where you know

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he's wearing a hat and, and he's
getting ready to go for an

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interview and the ChatGPT bot
tells him, you know, that hat

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probably isn't very cool to wear
to an interview.

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You should probably take it off
and because you can have your

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camera on while you're using
this new version of ChatGPT.

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And so he takes his hat off and
and then she says, well, maybe

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you should just kind of run your
hand through your hair.

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You look a little bit messy.
And so it's a bit creepy.

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But the story here with, with
Scarlett Johansson is that she

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was propositioned by Sam and
ChatGPT or open AI to become the

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voice of ChatGPT on this app.
And it was because of her movie

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that she was in, I think it's
ten years ago, 2013 or something

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called her.
And I don't know if you remember

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it, but her was basically all
about this stuff.

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It it was somebody who fell in
love with, with an AI bot.

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And and so she was the voice for
that bot.

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And so, you know, I think it was
almost like a, a funny thing

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that Sam thought it would
really, be really cool to make

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Scarlett Johansson the voice for
this new version of ChatGPT.

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And her people, I guess just
didn't respond or they said no

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or something, but they didn't
want to be a part of it.

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And next thing you know, Sam
Altman's coming out with this

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promotion for the new version of
ChatGPT and there's a reference

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to her like in quotes and they
don't talk about the movie or

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anything, but but they they
pretty bluntly say her.

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And of course the voice sounds
exactly like Scarlett Johansson.

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So now Scarlett and her people,
her lawyers basically are going

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after ChatGPT and and open AI
saying that you basically

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generated my voice instead of
using my own voice and me coming

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in and recording something, you
generated my voice, you copied

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my voice and now you're using my
voice and you're even

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referencing it with this her
thing.

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And so God knows she's probably
going after them for a billion

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dollars or some massive number.
So that's pretty interesting

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stuff.
But I do recommend you check out

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some of these videos demoing
ChatGPT 4 O and it's creepy.

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It's a bit creepy.
I mean, I'm finding some really

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helpful things with it.
The just the the general AI

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assistant thing, the fact that
it's it's going to become a very

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smart assistant to me will be
very helpful.

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But some of the creepy stuff is
creepy.

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And I definitely don't deny any
of that.

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Microsoft Teams, my least
favorite, you know, video chat

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service or whatever.
I despise when people invite me

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to Teams meetings.
But Teams has this new thing

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called copilot, which was
designed to, I guess, manage

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meetings, projects, tasks, all
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I haven't seen it yet, so I
can't tell you how good it is,

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but people are talking kindly
about it.

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Something that's not getting
such kind response is Microsoft

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also created a new tool called
Recall and it claims to have

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photographic memory and there's
a reason behind that.

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It stores screenshots that it
takes of your screen.

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It captures screenshots every
couple of seconds, I guess.

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And of of course, experts and,
and security people, safety

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people say that it's a privacy
nightmare.

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And I can imagine that.
I mean, think of some of the

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things that are on your screen
at different times and you know,

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you don't tell it when you want
it to take screenshots.

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It just keeps taking the
screenshots.

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You can turn it off, it is
voluntary, but I can't imagine

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turning it on, to be honest.
Like, yes, if you look at it

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from 1 standpoint, it could be
very helpful that, oh, when did

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I do that thing?
What did, what did so and so say

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to me or whatever.
It can recall all of those

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things, but it can also recall
all of the things you don't want

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it to recall.
And I'm not necessarily talking

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about porn.
I'm talking about anything, you

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know, private conversations,
whatever mistakes.

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So, and then another one that I
saw that was kind of interesting

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is something called Ask AI from
a company called Superhuman,

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which allows you to basically
ask any question of your e-mail

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service.
And like, for example, you know,

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what time are my, is my flight
on Thursday or what time is my

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meeting with Bob or what did my
wife tell me to get from the

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store?
And it will find it fairly

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instantly anywhere in your
e-mail, very useful.

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I mean, I could imagine using
that 100 times a day where you

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don't have to go digging through
e-mail.

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And even though e-mail search
has become pretty good now, just

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the fact that you could just
talk to your phone or your

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computer and and have the answer
instantly seems pretty

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impactful.
So yeah, that's sort of my AI

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update today.
A couple of things that Sarah

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wanted me to talk about.
So ACT Entertainment next week,

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which by the time you hear it,
it's still next week from June

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7th to the 9th, they will be at
Cinegear Expo in Los Angeles.

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Check out all their Grand MA
three session info and register

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on their LinkedIn page.
Not sure much more about that.

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So, yeah, our sponsor ACT
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with nearly 1000 solar panels
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in Los Angeles, CA and
incorporating cutting edge LED

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technology into its products.
So Elation, that's, that's big.

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I mean, thousand solar panels
powering their their

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headquarters.
That's pretty cool.

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I didn't even know that.
And I'm very friendly with Mr.

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Loder.
He should have told me and also

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just impact social media is
having for geezers of gear for

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our podcast, even Tiktok, which
I can honestly say I have no

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part of.
I don't know anything about

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Tiktok, but I know Sarah's been
on top of it is really, you

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know, getting a lot of plays for
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So when you see these little
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the reels on Tiktok, we're
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most of these clips.
And you know, that's more

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exposure for our guests and
certainly more exposure for our

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sponsors as well.
So we love it.

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So today's guest, Bob Harmon, is
one of the nicest guys in the

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industry.
You know you've made a mark in

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the industry when Bob approaches
you at a trade show and hands

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you a bag of incredible Hawaiian
coffee.

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Bob started his first business
at 12 years old and founded

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Eggshell at 16.
This year, Eggshell celebrates

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50 years.
Eggshell Lighting Company has

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been a boutique production
company holding the light and

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visual needs for all who graces
their shores.

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They combine the sublime methods
of lighting from the world

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theater with speed and
efficiency of touring roadshows,

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an award-winning combination
that ensures their clients get

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the quality of services they
demand.

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I gotta tell you, I think Sarah
was drinking when she wrote

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this.
From the smallest, most intimate

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wedding to a large scale
televised concert, they are

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confident that they can give you
the perfect experience.

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We've all had the pleasure of
having Bob on the podcast.

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We have had the pleasure of
having Bob on the podcast twice

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already.
The first time in November 2019,

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episode 58 and then again in
November 2023 episode two O 6.

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So today we can celebrate 50
years of the Eggshell Lighting

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Company with Bob.
So please welcome Bob Harman.

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Mr. Bob.
Aloha.

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Aloha.
How are you?

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Awesome.
I know you've been sick, so I

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appreciate you taking some time
and coming on and doing this.

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You seem like you're feeling a
bit better, so that's good.

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I'm always chipper when I'm on
your show.

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Ah, you're always chipper
anyway.

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I don't know that I've ever seen
you grumpy, but I'm sure you get

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there.
Well, Joe, I got some ideas

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today and I would say I I was
inspired because I came across a

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guy that, yeah, uh oh, I'm
freezing.

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Where did you find him?
Who?

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What guy is this and how did you
find this guy?

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No, I, well, I, I, I looked at a
like a turn of the century.

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It was modern art.
It was an abstract and I thought

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that's pretty cool.
And I, well, I want to know more

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about this guy.
I guess he was born in the 1800s

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and well, the guy's name is
Wasley Kandinsky.

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Well, there's a name.
Yeah, that's just a mouthful.

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Let me let me share a screen.
I'm going to show you a picture

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of this, please.
Yeah, do it and I'll tell you

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why.
We have to explain pictures,

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remember, because there are a
lot of people and, and Eric

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Loder is one of them.
And we'll hear from him if we

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don't explain what?
Because some people just listen,

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right?
And he listens in his car on the

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way to the office, so.
OK, so let's try this.

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So here's this guy and his
artwork is is in the background

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in the way again, he was he was
born in 1860s.

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He ended up going through Russia
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Germany.
But the most interesting thing

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about this guy?
Well, one second.

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So there's there's a a header at
the top of the image right above

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his name that says color is a
power which directly influences

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the soul, which is quite a
statement.

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It is, it is now, you know,
personally in the in the world

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of lighting and that kind of
thing, I can listen to music,

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particularly when I have no
background to it at all and have

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to listen to it and try to
figure out how to do lighting.

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Images will come into my head.
You know, the idea of certain

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colors or how I would think
initially to present this would

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come.
But the background on this guy

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is another step that I can't
even imagine.

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This guy has an affliction or
had an affliction, synesthesia.

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And what that meant was he would
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attached to another.
So when he would hear sound, he

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would see particularly music,
he'd see color.

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And he became a musician so that
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color in his mind.
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his artwork comes from.
That's wild.

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I just don't know whether
anybody else, maybe even

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somebody in the industry has
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rare, you know what an
affliction to have.

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So I.
Mean, especially in our

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industry, like could you imagine
a a lighting designer or a

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lighting director who hears
music and it immediately

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translates into color and what
that would look like?

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I mean, wow.
So I was reading earlier about

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this and so that kind of became
a theme for for this thing today

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is abstract and unusual and
asymmetrical lighting and

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things.
So this image we're looking at

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now, this is one of his art
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That's one of that's one of his
art pieces, but they would

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explain it to me that as he
would draw certain circles and

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certain colors, he would shear
different tones.

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Yellow in particular would be
trumpets and there would be in A

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and as he hit the stroke of the
ink or the pen, it would create

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an elongated note.
And so to him, I would think

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this is sheet music.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's a really interesting
concept.

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So looking you're suggesting
that looking at this image,

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which is filled with shapes and
circles and lines and triangles

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and things, different colors, he
would be looking at this and as

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he's reading through it, it
would become a piece of music.

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I think that's correct.
And I, and I suppose you could

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dart your eyes from different
parts of music and it would

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just, it could be jumbled or it
might make sense and maybe that

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would lead to another piece of
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It's wild.
And maybe this is where the AI

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of lighting design will go.
That's an interesting concept.

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It is.
It really is.

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But I wonder if this was
something that inspired him or

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haunted him.
You know what I mean?

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Like, is this something that
that drove, you know, great

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music to come out of him or it
made him crazy and, and, you

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know, wacky music came out?
Yeah, that's a really good

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question.
But he he certainly pursued it

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as a career and it wasn't his
first career.

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I noted that he became a lawyer
and he just he gave up all of

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that background when he was
inspired by my music.

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He.
Seems seems like a natural

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progression, you know, but So
what is there any recorded music

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that he's got out there that
like have you found any of his

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music yet or just just the
images?

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I just.
Just the images and the the

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affliction that he had.
Yeah, I have never heard of this

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before, but it kind of takes me
to a whole different subject and

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that is.
There's a lot of things in

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lighting that are purely
symmetrical and it, you know, if

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you're doing a, a television
show or something and they, they

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want to know where certain
lights are in certain places.

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And sometimes that's encouraged
'cause they, you know, then the

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TV guys just go and do their own
thing.

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The thing is true with stage
lights and the light, but as

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people try to fill the screen of
a video screen, or maybe they're

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a laptop, maybe they're they're
using previous and that kind of

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thing and they're they're
creating lighting design.

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It's like they've got a canvas
that must be filled, which takes

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me to the as a subject of are
people losing the impact of a

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single light?
And I'm going to take you there

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in a second because one of the
really early things I ever saw,

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and I hadn't really picked up
doing lighting yet, but it was

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the first time I noticed
lighting for what it was.

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So Cat Stevens played in
Honolulu, and this, you can see

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it's 1974.
It's in May.

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By the way, my first concert
room with me running aboard

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would be September.
So this is obviously triggering

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me to a direction.
Yeah, well, he's obviously at

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the top of his, you know, his
game at this point in time.

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But the simplest thing I saw was
he he went over and he played at

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the piano and a cathedral window
appeared behind him.

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And it wasn't that unusual to
have a lico that would have a

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cut out of a cathedral window
for the sake of a set.

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The interesting thing was how
they did it, and this is how

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they did it.
They used two separate licos.

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They shuttered off half the
image in each one.

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They made sure that this Liko
picked up the front face and the

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nose of Cat Stevens, and this
one picked at the back of his

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head, The two joining to be a
simple composite in the

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background now, with the
audience providing haze at the

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time.
If you know what that means,

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what better?
In in effect, a picture window

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appeared, light broke from the
window and parted around Cat

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Stevens.
So much workout, and it's the

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power of a single light.
How'd you get this information?

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Because I saw the two Lekos on
the stage and I had on stage in

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front and I put it together and
I went, Oh my gosh, that's wild.

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That's when the Light went on
for me.

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So, you know, the other thing is
going back to filling the screen

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because we're so used to, you
know, filling it up that a lot

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of people forget that the
absence of light, black is a

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color.
And to have something break that

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light can be the most impactful
thing.

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You know, there's, you know,
it's one of the things and

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moving lights and the like.
And you could actually do this

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with the moving light that had
shutters nowadays.

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But at the same time, would you
stop for a minute to think the

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impact of that moment could be
created and that that's all you

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need, kid?
And that's something that could

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be missing for the intro or
something anyways.

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That's such a subtle but very
cool concept.

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I mean, you know, two Lycos with
that sort of half a shutter.

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Yeah.
Is what a what a cool idea.

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And like you said, I mean the
impact that it had on total

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darkness created such a cool.
That's awesome.

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I love.
It absolutely.

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So that took me down this whole
train.

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You know, honestly, you know, a
couple hours ago, I wasn't

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exactly sure where I was going.
I wrote down disjointed things I

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wanted to say to you today and
to do.

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I like that.
I like that at the same.

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Time I I started going into So
what are the things that are

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out-of-the-box that isn't
symmetrical and you know

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today's, you know, today happens
to be Thursday.

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It may not be when you see this,
but yeah, you know, I write

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stories on Thursday, so this is
one of them, right?

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Was was on Nick Scholam.
Nick Scholam was and still is.

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He's still alive.
He's in London, wherein we're

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still friends.
But he sent this plot to me.

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And by the way, this is early
enough.

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This is 9.
You know, this is the 9192 tour.

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So this is done on a on a simple
Mac that I would have and I

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would piece print one page at a
time, piece it all together,

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hand fill the information into
these lights.

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But you as you can see and I
think are you able to see a

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cursor?
Yes, of course.

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Great.
So you had this beautiful, you

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know, just Bank of of lights
down the side.

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Of course these are 6 bars pars
60 fours.

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Moving lights aren't quite a
thing yet.

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Truss spots are real and even
those are placed asymmetrically.

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And the interesting thing was he
took the six bars and they went

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oh, what a pain.
You know, they're meant to go in

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pre rigged trust and pop out.
I mean, I got to pull them out

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and hang them 90° yes, that's
what you need to do OK, got it.

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So and he did this so that
lights would, you know, you've

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seen this in modern day when you
see particularly, you know,

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Korean musicals and and shows
where the lights are just

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everywhere because the lights
seem like they're more

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economical and easier, but they
just draw you into the stage.

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And that's what this was all
about.

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And yeah, it was it was kind of
magical stuff.

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So this is where the light went
on for Ace Asymmetry.

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It was also one of the first
times, you know, he talked it.

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We'd we'd done backdrops before
and they'd be they were always

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straight.
He had us put in an extra motor

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so that it would bend around and
give us more dimension for

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people viewing stage the offset.
And I'm going back to

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simplicity.
One of the things he had me do,

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it wasn't really unusual to have
like pars that light up a Truss

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and in this case they had color
changers.

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But the most the more
interesting thing was he had me

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these this is pre rig Truss.
Now he had me take two plates of

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wood, pass pass it through, you
know, with with bolts through

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that opening.
That would be, you know, the

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open space and the pre rig so
that I could take a mirror mylar

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and paste it to both sides of it
so that the one light would

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shoot one way and reflect back
again instead of having to put

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another fixture here and having
a Dead Space.

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And it worked brilliantly.
It's just simple things that

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that that work.
So.

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Yeah, I love that.
The asymmetrical, you know, I'd

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love to see pictures which I am
wondering if they're coming

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next, but I'd love to see
pictures of how that actually

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looked.
I I can't find any shots from

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this this time period, but I'll
tell you where that bummer is is

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that that certainly was an
inspiration for me.

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So I started doing things that
were in asymmetry.

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I, I work for the brothers
Casimiro here.

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Now the brothers Casimiro, yes,
they, they were two brothers and

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one played a brilliant guitar
and he could play flamenco and

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he and his brother played an
upright bass together.

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The two of them just had magical
voices.

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And of course there'd be hula
dancers and everything else.

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Now their producer, who also
recorded their their records,

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was a gentleman by the name of
John Demello.

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He, he gained the nickname Cecil
B Demello because his shows were

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unbelievable and they were just
pieces and parts.

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Sometimes it would be giant
pieces of material that would

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fly off.
Other times we would just, in

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this case, I started hanging a
Truss and he didn't like

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trusses.
So I, we started lighting the

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roof and do doing break UPS and
I would just, I, I got this

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Truss and I reset it up at an
angle and that was great.

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And we put a, an industrial fan
that would be on one side and we

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did that backlight and that had
its effect.

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He, he went out of his yard and
he got this leaf and that too

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needed to be part of it.
So this got me on this whole

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train.
By the way, I think this is out

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of work.
Nick Scholen that that I

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mentioned earlier, but then I
started because of Nick, I

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started designing shows that
look like this.

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Now this.
Is I like that.

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Yeah, this is simple.
Martin Lights yearly, you know,

450
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320
yearly Max, if you will, and
pars.

451
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,480
But the pars are loaded to one
side.

452
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,240
The drape is pulled on the
opposite side, kind of in

453
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,240
balance, but nothing in balance
and, and, and layered as you can

454
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,080
see this this backlight is
lighting this gentleman and he's

455
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520
in its foreground because of the
angle of this light.

456
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
And the other two band members
are are lit from the side.

457
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,560
And that's me doing this show.
And you can see even the Pars

458
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,880
bringing fleets of lights in so.
I like that look.

459
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,520
That's cool.
So it's it was, it's simple.

460
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,000
And this is stuff I started
doing.

461
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,960
So now because of the Nick
Sholom story and because that

462
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:34,920
was Sting, I started thinking
about the police and I did the

463
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,480
police's first concert.
I'm not sure if it was in

464
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,000
America, I can't verify that
entirely, but it sure seems like

465
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,880
it was one of the first if
nothing else.

466
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560
So we're going to do a show at
the campus center.

467
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,320
You know, I'm going to go
offline with the pictures, so I

468
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,560
can just talk to you about this
for a second.

469
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Hold on a second, because I
think that's important.

470
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,920
So campus center ballroom and
I'm and I'm still quite young

471
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,400
and, and I've been asked to do
this group called the police and

472
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,960
we're we're sitting there going,
well, this is great.

473
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,240
We all know they're hits, you
know, like walking on the moon

474
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,520
and stuff, but how do they set
up?

475
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000
How many guys are in the band?
And I looked around the room at

476
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,720
the promoter and 10 other people
and for gosh sakes, nobody

477
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,520
actually knew.
And you know, the assistant to

478
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,800
the promoter said, well, we need
to get on that right away.

479
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,640
So that takes me to here.
I'm going to go back to this

480
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,000
takes just a second.
I'm sorry.

481
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,960
That's funny though, that they
didn't know.

482
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480
No, no, we, we don't have a
clue.

483
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:54,040
So that takes us to this.
So this shows up at my door like

484
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,240
two days later after I've gone
to this meeting.

485
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,240
There's A at my door.
And, and you know, in those

486
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:08,200
days, I'm probably scared of it.
And it's TNT freight, which

487
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000
would later be absorbed.
I can't remember by whom, but

488
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,520
may think it was Federal
Express.

489
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,840
Could be wrong, but TNT is J
Robert Harmon there.

490
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
And of course, they hadn't
announced they were from TNT

491
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,520
yet.
All the more.

492
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,960
I'm a little paranoid.
Yeah.

493
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,720
And.
And he says, this is for you.

494
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,080
And he hands me this envelope
and you open this up and it says

495
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,080
a special message from A&M
Records for the attention of J,

496
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,800
of Robert Harmon.
And this is the first page as it

497
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,160
comes out.
I don't know if I can go in on

498
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,480
this, but this guy's definitely
an executive.

499
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,400
How can I help you?
This I, this is kind of a

500
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,000
strange 70s background, the non
corporate mentality.

501
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,680
It says down here, by the way, I
love that.

502
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,560
So then that takes us to here,
the drawing, the band.

503
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,720
Oh my goodness.
Andy.

504
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,480
And the record company sent you
this.

505
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,000
I think.
I think Sting wrote this.

506
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,480
I think he.
Drew this in the backroom

507
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,200
because who else would care
about an M89 sitting over here

508
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,320
and this is the base rig and
lead and the rest of it.

509
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,520
So I'm sitting here.
They had gone so much effort to

510
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
send this to me.
I was, you know, I'm really

511
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,440
impressed now going Oh my gosh,
they, you know, they got, they

512
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,200
sent this to me overnight.
This must have cost them.

513
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,920
I would say probably 2 or
$300.00 and you have to multiply

514
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,720
that times the time period and I
think they spent a grand to send

515
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,440
this to me.
Have you, have you ever thought

516
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,440
to have the handwriting analyzed
on this or anything just to try

517
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,720
and figure out if Sting wrote
it?

518
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,800
It's an interesting question.
I don't know, but it's also it's

519
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,520
also like written in this first
in the first person like Andy as

520
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,640
opposed to yeah, guitar over
there.

521
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,240
But anyway, so I'm inspired and
I'm trying to figure out what

522
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,960
can I do for these guys.
It's still conventional light

523
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,320
time, but I've got the license
to light the screw and they're

524
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,480
cutting edge.
So I took a crank up lift and a

525
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,520
security mirror.
Now I took that security mirror

526
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,200
and I put it in at a 45° angle
hung from a crank up permit.

527
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,040
And yes, I know vermits have an
awful reputation, but this is

528
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:46,560
back then, nobody cares.
So I had somehow, which I can't

529
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,680
remember, came across the engine
mount for ADC Nine maybe?

530
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Probably the DC-6.
Happened to have one laying

531
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,160
around.
I just, I just came across one.

532
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,000
So anyway, so it's across 45°
angle on a cranked up lift.

533
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,199
The base of the that lift buried
under the stage of, of the drum

534
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:16,159
stir Copeland.
I, I mounted this, this aircraft

535
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,120
ring and it had fixtures mounted
to it and it had this mirror

536
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,480
that was there and around
Copeland's set up.

537
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,679
I had strip lights.
Now I hadn't realized exactly

538
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,320
what I created, but we're going
to come back to that for a

539
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,639
minute.
Now I had I really like the look

540
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,440
of very narrow parts and you
know, they because they were the

541
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,440
brightest thing in the room and
have turned vertically.

542
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,880
They were a thin shaft of light
and, and, and wide.

543
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,239
It could kind of cut a rectangle
a bit.

544
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,520
So anyways, but I, I have a
limited amount of lights and

545
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,639
I've got them on some, you know,
TV antenna tower crank up front

546
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,720
Truss and in the back I've got
this lift and on the floor I've

547
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,760
got these very narrows.
And what I did is I would shoot

548
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,640
them up at this mirror.
It's convex.

549
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,400
So now what was a tight beam
makes splashes of color out into

550
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,160
the audience because it's now
it's diffused and it's big and

551
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,320
it's wide.
And I pick up guitar solos and

552
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,760
or sting at his microphone also
by banking it off the mirror.

553
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,200
Now the and so you'd have the
intensity of the very narrow

554
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,840
shooting up at the thing and
you'd have these whites or these

555
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,400
colored splashes of color coming
off of it.

556
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,560
They thought it was really cool.
And, and it was pretty heap and,

557
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,360
and, and even more so in the
fact that the mirror was there

558
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,720
at a 45° angle in the world
before iMac, people could watch

559
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,120
Stewart Copeland play the drums
from above and, and they were

560
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,760
mesmerized by that.
And it was really good.

561
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Anyway, I got, you know, I was
invited upstairs after the event

562
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,720
and there's kind of an open air
place.

563
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,880
They use it as the backstage
space for these guys.

564
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,800
And they gave me this and this
is their promo record.

565
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,760
Oh my goodness.
Wow.

566
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,720
And you can buy this.
Years later, when he played

567
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,520
Honolulu, I asked him to sign
it.

568
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,720
That's cool.
So that's where that went.

569
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,680
Wow, that's really cool.
Asymmetrical leads to, you know,

570
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,080
to all kinds of things and, and
I guess I was doing things that

571
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,880
were out-of-the-box to begin
with, so I was kind of ready for

572
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
it all.
Yeah, that's really cool.

573
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,880
Let me ask you something though.
The show but I wish I had a

574
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,680
better one.
But you can see how young they

575
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,440
were.
Oh yeah, that's wild.

576
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,000
Yeah, Look at Andy.
Let me ask you something,

577
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,600
though.
Like have you ever tried to take

578
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,160
a story like that and sit down
with a young lighting person

579
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,560
who's in their 20s who's only
ever done shows with moving

580
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,200
lights and with MA consoles has
never seen anything other than

581
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,720
that, right.
Well, yeah.

582
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,760
And and explain to them how you
went about that and why you went

583
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200
about that and the effect you
were able to produce.

584
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,240
And how do they respond to that?
Because like, I could just go

585
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,880
grab a a Roby BMFL and do the
same thing in two seconds, you

586
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,440
know, or whatever.
Right.

587
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,240
Well, yeah, and, and I, I think
that was my point.

588
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,960
And you know about all this is
that you've got the impact of

589
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,720
one light.
But if you're really worried

590
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,520
about.
Oh, yeah, I saw that other that

591
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
video and stuff, and there were
all kinds of lights and that

592
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,320
kind of thing.
There's a tendency to want to do

593
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,080
that.
Yeah, to try to replicate that.

594
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,080
And I think people miss the
power of a single fixture.

595
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,240
The if I didn't have that and I
had wanted to bring mirrors into

596
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,680
play to do things, that would
be, you know, not the first

597
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,680
thing you would think to do.
And I think those are those

598
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,400
things are lost.
Yeah, absolutely.

599
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,880
I completely agree with you.
I completely agree with you.

600
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Well, and I mean with, with the
advent now of AI, so many things

601
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,000
are going to be lost, like just
the process of finding things

602
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,800
and researching and learning and
all that stuff.

603
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560
If I can just go to every answer
instantly, I'm not going to go

604
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,320
through the journey of finding
those answers and all of the

605
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,680
sort of ancillary things that I
learned along the way, you know

606
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,440
are going to be gone and I.
Agree with that.

607
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Yeah, You know what I mean?
It's it's sort of the whole

608
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,880
topic of, you know, life is is a
journey, not a destination.

609
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,120
And maybe, maybe imagination and
knowledge is a journey, not a

610
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,120
destination.
And so maybe that's the downside

611
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,000
of AI and all of this instant.
Well, I think as soon as it

612
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,480
becomes something that you watch
like television, then then

613
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,760
you're, you're the machines are
teaching you, you're not, you're

614
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,480
not going through how can I
build this for myself?

615
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,880
The, you know, the art side of
it might start to go away, I

616
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,520
suppose.
They're not.

617
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000
They're not teaching you.
They're giving you the answer.

618
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, That's even worse.

619
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Yeah.
And I used to think it was kind

620
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,760
of going to school had the
limitation of a teacher's

621
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,440
curriculum would teach you
certain things.

622
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,720
But no offense, but how I
started, which was I had to

623
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,520
build the lights and that type
of thing gave me a different

624
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,120
perspective.
And that's been super valuable.

625
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,760
And I don't think you learn that
in class because the class has

626
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,240
to be accessible by the greatest
number of people.

627
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,520
And the success of that.
And now you, as you've

628
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,640
mentioned, now AI is actually
supplying you the answer.

629
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,440
I, I hope we don't become Dumber
for it.

630
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,280
I I hope we can, we can
maintain.

631
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,280
Its limitations and utilize it
as a brainstorming thing

632
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,320
perhaps.
Yeah, I think it depends on the

633
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,160
person.
It depends on on the goals that

634
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,440
you have in getting information
or things from AI.

635
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,080
You know, I know from my
standpoint and people who listen

636
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,800
to me will argue this because
they, they might think that I'm

637
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,320
an idiot.
But I become smarter by way of

638
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,000
AI because it, it gives me, it,
it makes me more curious and it

639
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,600
makes me, you know, I'll give
you an example.

640
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:46,040
So there was a guy on, on Joe
Rogan, I don't know, a couple of

641
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,200
weeks ago, last week.
His name was Rizwan Verk.

642
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,040
And I had to look at it 'cause I
would have forgotten his name

643
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,840
again.
But he spoke for probably two or

644
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,600
three hours mostly about
something that I don't know if

645
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,680
you've probably researched and
written Thursday stories about

646
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,880
this, but the simulation theory
and are you familiar with this

647
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,480
whole topic?
I'm not you're.

648
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,040
I'm fascinated.
Go ahead.

649
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Yeah, it it's, it's AI can only
take you so far down this

650
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,680
journey.
But basically the simulation

651
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
theory says that we are all
living within a simulation.

652
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,360
And you know, this isn't like
real world like we think it is.

653
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,320
We're living in a simulation.
And so this guy's not a nut.

654
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,600
This guy, this guy's an
incredibly smart individual.

655
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,480
You know, he's very, very
successful.

656
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,640
He, he I think, was a creator of
video games and coding video

657
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,360
games and stuff and sold a
couple of companies and got very

658
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,080
wealthy and became a, a venture
capitalist, you know, the

659
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:52,240
typical Silicon Valley story.
But now he teaches in, in, you

660
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:57,000
know, the biggest and brightest
universities about simulation

661
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840
theory.
And so I'm learning about this

662
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,080
and there's this thing called, I
think it's called Schrodinger's

663
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,240
cat.
And it basically it's a concept

664
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:11,000
that says that, you know, you
put a cat in a box with some

665
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
poison and something that
activates the poison or

666
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,840
something, I can't remember the
whole story, but basically.

667
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,360
And then, you know, somebody
opens the box a period of time

668
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,640
later and you find out whether
the cat is alive or dead.

669
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,880
And so, so, you know, a lot of
the scientists behind this say

670
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,640
that the cat is neither alive
nor dead until someone opens the

671
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,080
box.
And.

672
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,320
So that's, that's at the
foundation of it is, is the cat

673
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,040
is suspended in this sort of
both alive and dead or neither

674
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,120
alive nor dead.
And, and then they take it even

675
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,760
further, you know, and it, it,
it just becomes this sort of

676
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,320
concept.
So I'm listening to this for

677
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,200
like, I usually listen to
podcasts or books on my walk.

678
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,200
I go for a five or Six Mile walk
every morning and I listen to

679
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,160
stuff.
And I got home and I couldn't

680
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,360
shut it off 'cause I was so
interested in it.

681
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,840
So I listened to this for like 2
1/2 hours.

682
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,360
And then the next day my
girlfriend puts on this Apple TV

683
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:20,000
show and they start talking
about this Schrodinger's box on

684
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,080
this TV show.
And I'm like, what the hell just

685
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,600
happened here 'cause I had never
heard about any of this stuff.

686
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,400
And now all of a sudden I'm
watching a series about it and

687
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,480
it's called, I think it's called
Dark Matter or Dark something.

688
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,760
It's actually a pretty decent
show.

689
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,200
But I actually started watching
that the other day.

690
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,320
And actually when she started
talking about what the subject

691
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,680
matter was, I hadn't, I didn't
know the names that you had.

692
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,800
Yeah, but I had I was reading
about the concept of.

693
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Of yeah.
Realities and everything.

694
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Listen to this guy.
I'm telling you like this this

695
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:58,000
guy is is I still think it's a
nutty concept, the whole

696
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,360
simulation theory concept, but I
don't know, man.

697
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,880
He starts convincing you that
it's, this is probably very

698
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,320
likely here, you know, and it
does away with a lot of The Big

699
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,680
Bang Theory and the Adam and Eve
and, you know, all of this other

700
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,520
stuff because, you know, the
whole thing is a simulation.

701
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,240
And so, yeah, it's nutty.
It can really take you down a

702
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,080
path.
But so where?

703
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Where else did you go with this?
Where else did I go with this

704
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,560
for, for today?
I think that's pretty close.

705
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,520
I think the, the, the whole idea
is, you know, I started going

706
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,640
what, what has been an advantage
to me in in life, And I would

707
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:54,040
say my father and mom were, were
kind of creatives, but not

708
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,840
creatives.
I mean, I've talked to him

709
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,280
before.
He's he was into so many

710
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,960
different things and started so
many different businesses and

711
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,760
the like that.
I think the most powerful thing

712
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,680
I got I was ever taught was I
was never told you.

713
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,160
Now you can't do that.
And I think that's a limitation

714
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,360
to so many that once you can
just go, well, I might not be

715
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,400
able to because I don't feel
like it today or, but I never

716
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
would stop to go.
Well, it's, it's a matter of

717
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,960
money.
Well, I I'm done with that.

718
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,880
I found.
One and I found.

719
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,360
Ways to build things and and
yeah, I think I think the

720
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,880
concept of never learning no a
huge, huge power.

721
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,720
Yeah, no, it's, it's totally
true.

722
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,320
I mean, you know, breaking the
conventional ideas of doing

723
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,360
things, you know, like the, the
asymmetrical lighting design,

724
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,920
you know, and I, I love it.
Like I when you, when you look

725
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,400
at some of those images that you
were sharing and, and hopefully

726
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,680
anyone who's listening to this
will go back and watch it on

727
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,360
YouTube or, or Spotify.
But when you look at some of

728
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:16,200
those images, like I, it makes
me bored of symmetrical designs.

729
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,760
Like it makes me want a whole
bunch of moving lights on one

730
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,760
side and a few park hands on the
other side or some follow spots

731
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,240
on the other side or whatever.
You know, I like it.

732
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,680
I think it's a killer look.
It's a really cool look.

733
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,200
Yeah, absolutely.
And I, and I think it's, it fits

734
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,160
with you're telling the story,
you know, the musicians are

735
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,440
telling you their background,
where it comes from.

736
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,120
If for a moment it's shadowy,
that's OK.

737
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,680
Chattery might be the
inspiration in a, in a bar or in

738
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,400
a, in a place where somebody was
when they thought it through.

739
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:57,840
It is, it is true that so much,
so much is done for video

740
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,880
because the audience, you know,
there's 1000 cameras in the

741
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000
audience and the like.
And I hear it, you know, all the

742
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,640
time where musicians, you know,
immediately get pictures of

743
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,600
their own concert sent back to
them.

744
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,760
And they and they're not well
lit to see their entire face.

745
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,880
They have a, you know, they have
something to say about that.

746
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,640
But I can tell you, the shadowed
face of Cat Stevens, is it

747
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,880
correct to say that you could be
hundreds of feet away and

748
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,400
without the benefit of imag and
your mind filled in that moment

749
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,080
that you shared with him?
Yeah, and it's totally true.

750
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,920
Yeah, it's totally true.
Some.

751
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Of that's getting lost.
So much of it is getting lost

752
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,720
like, but I mean lost or
evolved.

753
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,120
I don't know, you know.
And, and equally, I think you

754
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,840
can take a huge, huge stage and
you can still have that concept.

755
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,680
I'm not saying everything should
come down to 24 pars again, but

756
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,720
I but I am saying that I think
you can have 1000 lights in your

757
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:10,440
rig and for a moment a single
light can carry the day.

758
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Yeah, and maybe then you have to
even come back from it.

759
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,080
But if you want the audience to
quiet.

760
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,160
Down yeah, you know, I agree
with you.

761
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,160
I I honestly, and as much as I'm
in the business and you're in

762
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,040
the business and I've been in
the moving light business for a

763
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,800
long time, I'm getting bored of
these thousand moving light

764
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,080
shows.
You know, I, I really am getting

765
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,520
bored of it.
And I miss the nuance of having,

766
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,920
you know, like I've overused
this story that that Brickman

767
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,880
shared with me on, on the
podcast where he talked about

768
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,520
doing Neil Young at Coachella
and everybody had, you know,

769
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,760
thousands of moving lights at
Coachella.

770
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:56,960
And he comes in with his, his
lighting plot and it's 16 follow

771
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,720
spots.
That that was it.

772
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,040
That was the lighting rig,
right?

773
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,920
It was 16 follow spots.
And he said so many people came

774
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,880
to him and said, Oh my God, like
that was a moment.

775
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:14,760
You know, that was a moment.
And, and I love that.

776
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,600
Like, I, I love that it becomes
all about the artist at that

777
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,760
point.
It becomes all about Neil Young.

778
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,960
It's not about this incredibly
wild like show that that you've

779
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,040
put on.
But again, thank God for massive

780
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,160
light shows because they keep us
all working and spending and

781
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,000
making money hopefully.
But yeah, I, I think some of

782
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,040
that's gone forever and some of
it's just gone until somebody's

783
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,800
brave enough to to go back out
and do that kind of stuff.

784
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,320
I was thinking of one other.
I thought of another show for a

785
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,920
minute because it's not really
entirely in line with this, but

786
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,120
it's when simplicity curious a
moment.

787
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,280
I, I did a show with David
Crosby at the Hawaii Theatre

788
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,360
here and I, I was just the LDI
was mostly using house lights,

789
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,560
trying to figure out where where
to go with it and the like.

790
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,000
I'd taken the, the strip lights
that were over the stage and I'd

791
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,920
aimed them at out into the
crowd.

792
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,960
So anyways, it was kind of an
interesting result because.

793
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,320
You just had people.
Watching.

794
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,880
Yeah, I did.
Well, that's all good, no

795
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,320
worries.
Let me go back David Crosby.

796
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,440
I'm doing the show and and I'm
using house lights and the like

797
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,000
and we have strip lights that
are I, I aimed into the

798
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,840
audience.
Of course I put specials in and

799
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,000
I'm running the house rig and
I'm waiting for the audio guys

800
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,280
to show up because they have
like 1-2 that carries the audio

801
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,560
sound cable and that's where the
light cable goes to and they

802
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,320
have to go at both the same
time.

803
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,560
So I waited for him to to show
up so we could run the stuff

804
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,400
together and we could get on
with our day.

805
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,240
And he did show up late by about
an hour.

806
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,720
And the well when my back was
turned out, you know, I told, I

807
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,960
told him I had waited for him so
we could run it together.

808
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,800
When I turned my back and come
back again, he ran his and

809
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,440
didn't take my cable at all.
Now, you know, time is nice.

810
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,720
I'm going, what the hell?
I'll just run at side stage.

811
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,840
You know, that's what this is
going to be.

812
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,840
And Dave, David Crosby comes up
to me and he and he goes, you're

813
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,520
going to run lights here.
And I said, yeah, well, and I

814
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,920
started to go into the story
about the sound, how the sound,

815
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,280
and he patched me on the back
and he goes, I think that's

816
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,120
great.
One of the band.

817
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,320
That's fine.
And then?

818
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,600
I thought you were going to say
no, no, that that's the audio

819
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,680
cable.
No, but so then this is an audio

820
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,440
board.
No, but then, then the lights

821
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,160
that I aimed out into the crowd,
you know, some of the people

822
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,080
with the facility that came up
to me and they went you're,

823
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,200
you're blinding people.
You got to turn those lights

824
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,000
off.
You know, I I know it kind of

825
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,200
looks cool and everything, Bob,
but we really can't have that.

826
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,000
And just as he starts to turn,
having told me my discipline,

827
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Crosby comes back over to the
side stage and leans into me.

828
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,920
And he goes the lights in the
audience.

829
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,880
Nobody's ever done that for me
before, you know, I can't quite

830
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,040
hear as well as I used to, and I
don't quite see as well as I

831
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,720
used to.
So I can't hear the audience or

832
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,960
know how they're reacting.
But because you lit them up.

833
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,320
I can.
Relax and we're on fire tonight.

834
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,160
That's awesome and.
There's just like, so some

835
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,480
things happen that aren't
planned.

836
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Yeah, that's how it relates.
Because sometimes just thinking

837
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,320
the simple answer is gonna be
your most effective.

838
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,520
I don't know how that went for
the next guy who did lights for

839
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,920
him but demanded that he sit
side stage like I did.

840
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,440
I don't know.
Maybe, yeah.

841
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,480
For him, it was a highlight of a
show.

842
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,880
You know what's funny though?
It reminds me like, you know,

843
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,080
the audience or someone coming
and saying those lights are

844
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,080
hitting people in the audience
and they don't like it or

845
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,960
whatever.
It reminds me of something that

846
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:20,400
Steve Jobs said when he launched
the original iPhone, the first

847
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,360
iPhone.
And he said we've heard nothing

848
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,960
but complaints and just people
saying you're completely nuts

849
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,440
not putting a tactile keyboard
on it because, you know, the

850
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,360
BlackBerry owns the market.
Like, that is the hottest device

851
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,520
out there.
You don't have a shot.

852
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,320
You don't have a chance to
compete with the BlackBerry if

853
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,200
you don't put a tactile thing on
there.

854
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,240
You know, what are you thinking?
People want a keyboard.

855
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,920
And he said, you know, sometimes
you need to teach people what

856
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,520
they want.
Sometimes they don't know what

857
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,440
they want.
And you have to teach them what

858
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,240
they want.
You have to show them what they

859
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,040
want.
And he's right.

860
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:02,480
He's right.
I mean you.

861
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,000
Have to do that to be a leader.
Yeah.

862
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,160
Well, and also explaining to the
audience or or the person who

863
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,320
complained that the artist is
much happier when he can share

864
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,320
the performance with you.
And in order to do that, he

865
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,080
needs to be able to see you.
And when he can see you, you're

866
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,280
going to get the performance of
a lifetime out of this artist.

867
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,400
If he can't see you, he's
basically singing to himself,

868
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,840
you know?
And so again, you got to tell

869
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,040
them, you got to you got to
educate them and and not just

870
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,360
go, you're an idiot.
You don't know what you're

871
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,440
talking about.
You show them the way.

872
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Show them the way.
Exactly the thing that AI is not

873
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,200
going to do.
AI is going to show you the

874
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,440
answer.
Here's the correct answer.

875
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,520
I'm not going to show you how I
came to this answer, what route

876
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,280
I took to get to this answer.
I mean, you can certainly ask

877
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,280
that question, but the short
version is going to be what is

878
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,800
the answer?
And and as lazy as humans are,

879
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,920
we're just going to go straight
to the end game.

880
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,600
You know what is the answer?
I want all the.

881
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,000
Answers.
That's that's true.

882
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,960
There are people like Bob
Bonniel that are certainly kind

883
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,840
of cutting edge with all this
and certainly for inspiration

884
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,360
and doing very, very well with
it.

885
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Yeah, I gotta get, I gotta get
Bob back on to talk about it

886
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,360
'cause I know he's as addicted
to the topic as I am.

887
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,120
Last time he was on the podcast,
we talked a bunch about it and I

888
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,080
talk about it pretty much every
episode now.

889
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,120
I talk about some of the
different AI things that are

890
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,720
happening out there and because,
you know, in our industry and

891
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:40,720
for good reason and you know,
for good reason, people are a

892
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:45,400
little freaked out by it.
People assume that the next

893
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,520
thing that's going to happen is
going to put everybody out of

894
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,720
work.
You know, you're going to have

895
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,720
self programming consoles and
and moving lights that maybe

896
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,960
don't even need consoles.
They just kind of do stuff

897
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,080
right.
And certainly there's an ability

898
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,440
to get to some of those places,
but I don't know that there's a

899
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,720
desire or a market to get to
those places right now.

900
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,720
Like nobody wants self
programming consoles right now.

901
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,480
Certainly if you could make it a
little bit easier so you don't

902
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,080
have to do the tedious things
that you have to do every time

903
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,320
you set up a console or
whatever, like get rid of some

904
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,400
of the boring things.
But any, you know, anything that

905
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,440
requires creativity talk.
To your board.

906
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,040
It'd be nice to be able to, you
know, in the third party, just

907
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,040
be able to step out almost in
front of the console and wear a

908
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,280
headset and go, yeah, you know,
if maybe if we could set the,

909
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,480
you know, the red lights
alternating in color between red

910
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,760
and the blue-green coming in
from the stage, Right.

911
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,680
And I'd like to have it start.
And you could actually do

912
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,280
programming by discussion, by
being the artist.

913
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,200
Looking at canvas I can see
great value.

914
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,840
Well, you could do that today.
And so again, it, it, it's

915
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:59,880
gonna, it's gonna come down to a
console company, a control

916
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,360
company being brave enough to,
to come out with that type of a

917
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,360
feature set and an audience that
wants it.

918
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,800
You know, really is, is I think
the combination that needs to

919
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,840
happen because if the audience
is like, if you ever put AI in a

920
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,760
lighting console, I will never
use your products again.

921
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,760
And so then the company has no
incentive.

922
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,200
You know, companies create new
products because there's an

923
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,720
incentive to create those
products.

924
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,680
There's a market that wants them
and we'll pay for them.

925
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,120
But if the market wants the
opposite, you're probably wise

926
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,080
to follow the market, I guess in
this case, right?

927
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,800
So maybe they have to call it
moving light assistant rather

928
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,640
than Yeah AI.
Well, and it, it should be

929
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,240
lighting design support,
lighting director support.

930
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,520
It's not a lighting director
replacement.

931
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,320
It's it's a tool that will help
the lighting director be better,

932
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,280
you know, do his job better, do
his job more efficiently.

933
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,440
And I'm anxious to see it.
Yeah, yeah, me too.

934
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Well, and I think what you just
explained is a very, very good

935
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,120
application, you know, where you
can walk around on the stage

936
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,520
with a or in in the audience
with a headset on and just be

937
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,720
talking with, not to talking
with the console, where the

938
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,840
console's actually answering you
back and saying, oh, do you mean

939
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,640
like that Look we did in the
last show where we had the, you

940
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:28,840
know, 42 Mac auras or whatever,
you know, and you go, yeah, just

941
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,760
like that.
Except our response would be,

942
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,680
yeah, but let's keep your solo
out of it that you did.

943
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,880
Yeah, right, right, yeah, and
and by the way, you're freaking

944
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,200
me out.
Quit talking about this there.

945
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,960
So, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's
cool, you know, I, I for me, I'm

946
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,640
happy to be alive right now to
be seeing all of this.

947
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,320
Like if you think it's.
Pretty amazing.

948
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,480
As much as I'd rather be 25
years old again, you know, that

949
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,400
would be really fun.
But, you know, I think it's

950
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,360
really cool that you and I
basically saw, at least for me,

951
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,240
more of the end of the
transition from black and white

952
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,040
to color television.
But I saw color television come

953
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,640
out.
I saw, you know, remotes for the

954
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,800
television where you didn't have
to go up and turn the knob

955
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,480
anymore, you know?
I'm I'm pretty sure I was the

956
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,720
knob for my brother.
I was the knob.

957
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,440
Yeah, I certainly was the knob
for everyone, not just my

958
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,160
brother, but, you know, cordless
telephones.

959
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Remember when we didn't have
cordless telephones and we had

960
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,880
one phone in the kitchen with
like a 40 foot coily cord on it

961
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,920
that was always wound up all
over everything entangled in a

962
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,840
ball about this big and and then
you get to things.

963
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Yeah, well, way before that.
I mean, the personal computer,

964
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,400
like remember when there no
house had a computer in it?

965
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,360
There was no such thing.
And then all of a sudden there's

966
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,840
these Commodore 60 fours and
Atari computers and all this

967
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:04,800
stuff and eventually the the
Apple, Apple two and Lisa and

968
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,640
Macintosh.
And so I mean, we didn't have

969
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,560
personal computers back then,
let alone cell phones that were

970
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,800
20 times more powerful than the
original Mac two and all that

971
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,240
stuff.
So and then cell phones like you

972
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,400
said, the brick and the bag
phone and so.

973
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,360
You know, music, like if you
think of music going from what

974
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,440
was the original speed?
Was it 78?

975
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,880
Yeah, 78, yeah.
And then to a, an album, A33

976
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:40,320
album and, and and then, and
then a cassette or A8 track

977
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,240
tape, a cassette tape.
And those advancements were huge

978
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,480
at the time.
You know, going from an 8 track

979
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,360
to a cassette was like, whoa.
And I can record my own.

980
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,000
These are amazing and and then
all of a sudden you got CDs and

981
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,760
now all of that stuff is archaic
with the music we have today,

982
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,440
you know, so you.
Find it interesting that I guess

983
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,880
people don't make mirror as much
money on music anymore and they

984
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,160
make a lot more on touring and
that is a big flip.

985
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,680
In the 70s and 80s, it was your
record that they gave you money.

986
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,160
Yeah, and the.
Touring was in support and that

987
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,800
that's certainly feeding the the
large lighting rigs that are

988
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,960
requested now.
And I at least here for the

989
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,560
longest time they got away with
the smallest amount they could

990
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,400
they could.
And the onset of MTV was

991
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,720
suddenly our shows don't look
like that.

992
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,120
Why don't we see that show?
Yeah.

993
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,560
Yeah, like I, I.
Remember.

994
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,840
Yeah, I remember reading an
article one time about Rush and,

995
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,120
you know, go figure, a Canadian
bass player, singer, you know,

996
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,680
who was a Rush fan?
Guilty.

997
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,080
But I remember reading an
article, and this was before I

998
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,000
knew Howard.
And it, it was just talking

999
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,440
about how, you know, it was
really hard to tour in a band

1000
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,040
because you didn't make any
money.

1001
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,440
You were out there just
supporting your record sales and

1002
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,480
it, it got into some of the math
and it, it would say like, you

1003
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,040
know, I don't remember the exact
numbers, but let's say the show,

1004
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:22,520
each stop is bringing in
$200,000 and that breaks down to

1005
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,280
blah, blah, blah.
And at the end of the day, each

1006
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,280
band member gets $1000 per show.
That's what they get paid.

1007
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,200
They get paid $1000 per night.
The three guys in in rush and I

1008
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:38,120
was like, what?
So but Fast forward, like you

1009
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,040
said, like the whole thing has
flipped.

1010
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:44,520
Now they don't sell any music
anymore, but Oh my God, are they

1011
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,320
selling concert tickets?
You know it, it's incredible.

1012
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,720
It's incredible.
And you know, I, I was talking

1013
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,160
to a lady this morning who she's
actually the crossing guard by

1014
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,280
my house where I go for my walk
every morning.

1015
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,520
And she's a big Florida Panthers
hockey fan.

1016
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,480
And I know she's got season
tickets.

1017
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,920
So we started talking about I'm
going to the game on Sunday and

1018
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,160
she's going with her husband.
And we started talking about the

1019
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,320
cost of tickets for hockey.
And I said, well, have you seen

1020
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,920
concert tickets recently?
And she said, yeah, I work for

1021
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,600
Live Nation at the venue right
up the road.

1022
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,920
And it's unbelievable what
people are paying to go see, to

1023
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,480
go see a country band.
They'll go, they'll pay, you

1024
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,640
know, 250, three, $100 for
tickets to go see.

1025
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,840
And I don't want to pick on
anybody but name the band,

1026
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,360
really.
And I'm like, yeah, you know,

1027
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,280
it's amazing that there's that
much of an appetite right now

1028
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,640
for.
And half these bands are playing

1029
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,800
in stadiums, too.
Like more than half.

1030
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:47,200
Like anybody who's big.
Should should people in the

1031
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,360
lighting industry be more
worried about the onset of AI or

1032
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,440
should they be worried about
Apple Vision and 1:00 Concert

1033
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,840
playing to the entire country
and charging pay for view and

1034
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,200
possibly taking out some of the
local markets?

1035
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,800
You know, it's an interesting
thought, but I think one thing

1036
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,560
COVID taught us is that people
actually want to be together

1037
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,840
and.
That is the correct answer.

1038
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,320
Yeah, there's a huge difference
between watching something on

1039
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,080
that Apple Vision Pro thing,
which is pretty incredible.

1040
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,120
But I was never a fan of the
virtual stuff.

1041
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,640
And, you know, if you wanna be
with a crowd at a concert,

1042
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,840
seeing a band live, you gotta be
in a crowd at a concert seeing a

1043
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,120
band live.
You know, you can't replicate

1044
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,400
it.
It's just not.

1045
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,120
I think it's important that for
the artist that not every show

1046
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,040
is a replication of the last one
either, You know, everybody

1047
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,400
remembers the special moment
when somebody came into the

1048
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,840
crowd or invited somebody up.
And I guess it could be canned.

1049
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,920
But at the same time.
Well, I remember all the other

1050
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,720
weird stuff, you know, like
getting, you know, stoned the

1051
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,800
first time and, and falling down
the stairs at a concert or, or

1052
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:07,800
going to Judas Priest with my
buddy Julius, who, who did acid

1053
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,840
at Judas Priest.
We were probably 16 years old

1054
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,360
and he did acid at Judas Priest
and fell asleep.

1055
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,120
He did acid at a Judas Priest
concert and fell asleep and

1056
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,680
slept through like 2/3 of the
show while I just had a great

1057
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,840
time.
I was partying.

1058
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,960
Yeah, so.
You know, he woke up, he told

1059
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,640
you that his visions and his
dreams were amazing, but.

1060
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,160
Yeah, yeah.
He didn't know where he was when

1061
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,800
he woke up.
But, you know, I mean those

1062
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,600
things, like I think half of
what we experience in life isn't

1063
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:45,000
necessarily, you know, that main
focus that that band that's on

1064
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,880
stage or whatever.
But it's what happened.

1065
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,040
Like you said, it's the people
in the audience.

1066
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,040
It's it's those connections and
the different things that are

1067
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,360
happening now.
The older I get, the more I sort

1068
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,120
of swing towards the Apple
Vision Pro, you know, like, can

1069
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,120
I sit on my couch and watch all
of this?

1070
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,280
That would be fantastic, you
know?

1071
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,440
Well, somebody I didn't
interview the other day and I we

1072
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,920
were talking about some of the
things that that really turned

1073
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,000
me on in the business.
And I said, you know the one

1074
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,920
thing about music, when you
watch television, when you go to

1075
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,080
watch a movie, you know you're
going to experience somebody

1076
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,560
else's moment and they're going
to tell you a story.

1077
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,320
That's kind of a given.
But music maybe a second only to

1078
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:36,600
the sense of smell it is it will
bring back memories to you of

1079
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,320
who you were with the moment
that it that it was the

1080
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,800
excitement, maybe some sense
something bad as well as good.

1081
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:49,880
But nothing triggers memory like
listening to a song again and.

1082
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,640
That's such a great point.
And everyone's memory is

1083
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,680
different.
Everyone.

1084
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,680
How that song makes everyone
feel is different, you know,

1085
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,200
and.
I heard somebody say that your

1086
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,400
music is within seven years when
you graduated high school.

1087
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,080
It could be 7 after, it could be
in the middle of that, or

1088
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,320
whatever.
But that.

1089
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,600
Used to be your go to music.
So what if what if you didn't

1090
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,880
graduate high school, or you
just hung up on Led Zeppelin

1091
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,040
forever or something?
That means that's I'm pining to

1092
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,720
be more and more adventurous in
my music, so I'm not going to.

1093
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,960
College.
That's funny.

1094
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,000
Yeah, I don't know.
But the, but you know, and that,

1095
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,120
that brought up a different
conversation, which was as a

1096
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:37,920
lighting director, it's
important for me, even if I

1097
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,240
don't know the music.
And if I, it's not my Forte, I

1098
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,280
have to listen to it to enough
and enough times to know the

1099
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,640
impact and the what's the hook?
What is the message?

1100
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,000
What's going to bring the
audience into this and closer to

1101
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,760
the artist?
And and if if I fail to do that

1102
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,320
then I fail.
Do different lighting designers

1103
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:07,440
or directors or whatever get
their inspiration from different

1104
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,080
sources?
Like for example, might one

1105
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,200
person sit down with Elton John
and say, what is it that you

1106
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,200
want?
And would another person you

1107
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,880
know, obviously sit with the
artist and say, OK, what is it

1108
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,840
you want, but then get their
inspiration from the music, not

1109
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,279
from the artist's words?
I've, I've seen so many

1110
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,920
different approaches and, you
know, since the onset of

1111
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:37,319
computers, I've, I've had people
go to Google images and you

1112
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:40,880
know, what do you have, what's
in your head for this song?

1113
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,640
Like light casting through a
window?

1114
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,399
And I want to see that.
And you know, maybe that's where

1115
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,040
AI comes in, but I'd rather, I'd
rather see the light through the

1116
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:56,279
windows of the train station of
New York and then go off and how

1117
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,240
we're going to explain that
rather than AI telling me then

1118
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,240
you should do this.
Yeah.

1119
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,600
So that that that maybe that
wraps that all the way around.

1120
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,200
You know, it's, it's funny you
say that cuz while you were

1121
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,319
saying it, I'm, I'm sitting here
scrambling looking for an image

1122
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:16,359
that I wanna share with you
because I, I had an idea in my

1123
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:22,200
head for an image that I wanted
for geezers of gear for

1124
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,640
something.
We're doing a, a newsletter.

1125
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:27,720
And where the heck did that
image go?

1126
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,720
We're doing a newsletter and
there's a section of the

1127
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,000
newsletter called spotlight on
guests.

1128
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:37,240
And it's basically, hey, here's
Bob Harmon, great guy, blah,

1129
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,439
blah, blah.
Here's some really cool facts

1130
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,520
about Bob Harmon.
And so it's just basically it's

1131
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,560
a spotlight on prior guests.
So I wanted an image and I went,

1132
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,520
of course, to my friend at, at
ChatGPT and said, you know,

1133
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,439
here's what I want.
I want blah, blah, blah.

1134
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,080
I want, you know, people doing
lighting, doing sound.

1135
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,440
I want X number of lights.
I want this kind of stuff.

1136
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,080
So here is the image that it
created.

1137
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:12,160
And it, it was all good until
you realized that this guy has

1138
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,120
two arms, or three arms, I
should say.

1139
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,240
Two on one side.
Yeah, he he's got three arms,

1140
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,680
Ultra.
Efficient, doesn't he?

1141
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,960
Yeah, I'm like, you know, what's
going on here?

1142
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,560
And one of them has a microphone
in it, and the other one has a

1143
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,080
wrench or something.
But, you know, and I didn't even

1144
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,920
notice that at first.
I was like, yeah, this is

1145
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,440
basically sort of what I wanted
it to look like.

1146
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,160
But this is this is what AI does
all the time.

1147
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,800
And sometimes it's easy to see
and sometimes it's not like, you

1148
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,960
know, you might have to generate
this image 20 times to get it to

1149
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,120
spell spotlight correctly.
And you can keep saying ChatGPT,

1150
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,400
you screwed up the spelling.
Please check your spelling and

1151
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,640
get it right.
And then it'll spell spotlight

1152
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,680
correctly, but it'll change
something else.

1153
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,600
And you're like, Oh my God,
like, please go back to this

1154
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,240
image, fix this, do this.
And so it's not like it's a no

1155
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,760
brainer kind of version of easy.
It's it can be a little bit of

1156
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,320
work to get it right, but.
Interesting.

1157
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,720
Yeah.
I wonder if going back to the

1158
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:24,960
topic I started with, can you
ask ChatGPT or AI or whatever

1159
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,600
you're going to be consulting
to?

1160
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,480
OK, I want the image, but I want
you to think in the abstract.

1161
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,680
Yes you can.
So what it won't do is it won't

1162
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,960
like.
It won't doctor up images of

1163
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:45,160
specific people.
So like it, it doesn't want to,

1164
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,120
you know, if I say give me a
picture of Bob Harmon with, you

1165
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:53,280
know, a green mustache or
something like it, it doesn't do

1166
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,320
a lot of that kind of stuff
because it it doesn't want to

1167
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,480
venture over top of copyright
or, you know, personas and all

1168
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:04,160
of these different things.
But it will create a guy with a

1169
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,120
green mustache that looks very
similar to you if I give it a

1170
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:14,360
really good description.
But yes, it it if you know, and

1171
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,640
we could do a screen share later
and I'll show you how some of

1172
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:22,200
this stuff works.
But it will, it will do whatever

1173
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,560
amount of information you put
into it, it will do that.

1174
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,160
So it'll say, you know, in the
style of Da Vinci, you know, I

1175
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,480
want you to create an abstract
image that blah, you know,

1176
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:37,440
whatever.
And you can put as much detail

1177
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:38,880
in there and you can say, I want
it.

1178
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,960
I want it to appear as though
I'm standing on the left side of

1179
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,640
it.
And I want it to keystone based

1180
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,000
on me standing 12 feet to the
left side of it.

1181
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,960
Or like, you can just get into
so much detail and it does a

1182
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,040
really good job.
But as soon as you put words on

1183
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,440
the screen, it'll spell them
wrong.

1184
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,560
Like that's the thing.
That's the weird irony of it

1185
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,360
all.
You know, like a word so similar

1186
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,600
or so simple, like spotlight.
I swear to God, I probably had

1187
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,480
to prompt it 25 times to get it
right to get it to, because I

1188
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:13,400
don't want to have to go into
Photoshop and start changing

1189
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,520
things and fixing things.
I just want it to spit out what

1190
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,640
I want, right?
So, and except it's got three

1191
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,080
arms on it.
So now we're going to use that

1192
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,520
image, by the way, and people
are going to probably hear me

1193
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,520
now, but people wouldn't have
noticed.

1194
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,960
I bet for the most part that
that guy had three arms.

1195
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,160
Yeah, you kind of run into the
end of my time here.

1196
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,320
But, you know, since we're
talking about virtual

1197
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,480
assistants, yeah, I want to tell
you that I think your assistant,

1198
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:41,440
Sarah, is doing great things for
you.

1199
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,800
Oh, thank you very much.
She's an amazing person.

1200
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,880
She's a good human.
Yeah.

1201
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,080
Yeah.
I appreciate that.

1202
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,120
She works very hard, and she's
been a game changer for the

1203
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,400
podcast.
We've grown since the beginning

1204
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:59,240
of this year when she started
three times, and it just keeps

1205
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,120
growing.
So now this is becoming like a

1206
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,320
real job for me, which is cool.
I like it.

1207
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,040
It's fun, and I get to sit
around and talk to amazing

1208
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,520
people like you all day.
But yeah, so I appreciate you

1209
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,680
saying that Sarah's.
Sarah's a great, great person.

1210
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,360
And if it weren't so late in the
day, she would have been with us

1211
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,080
on here.
But she lives in Greece or

1212
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,560
Crete.
So yeah, it's a bit late in the

1213
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,360
day for her, but thanks for
saying that.

1214
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,800
Well, I appreciate you as
always.

1215
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,480
And a couple of things that we
forgot to talk about.

1216
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:37,120
You won the Hometown Heroes
award for regional lighting

1217
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,040
Company.
You did very cool.

1218
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,520
I believe it's your 50th year
anniversary this year.

1219
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,800
It is.
This is quite a year you're

1220
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,600
having, and what else was there
here that Sarah?

1221
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,080
Oh, so this came from Sarah.
Sarah said it's obvious that Bob

1222
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,400
is an extremely generous man
because pretty much all of his

1223
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,120
Facebook posts are donations to
friends and family charities.

1224
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,560
And that was one of the things
that she discovered when she was

1225
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,040
researching you.
So it's all true.

1226
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,480
You know, you're just one of
those super kind, wonderful

1227
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,120
people in our industry.
And there's a lot of you.

1228
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,400
And I appreciate knowing you and
I appreciate you coming on.

1229
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:25,200
Absolutely calling John.
Thank you, Aloha.

1230
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:26,600
And to you?