#242 - Steve Warren

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Hello and thanks for joining me
again today for Geysers of Gear

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Episode #242.
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Well, hello there and thanks

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again for joining me today on
Geese of Gear episode.

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What did I say, 242?
Awesome.

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It is an awesome day. 242 is an
awesome number.

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We're pretty happy about where
we're at right now, so thanks

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for joining us.
We love that you come every week

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and listen to our crazy ranting
or mine.

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Anyways, so today I'm recording
this on the same day that I

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think we launched our first
Riverside recording and it went

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OK.
It was a lot of work.

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Editing was very different for
us.

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We had to change some things
around.

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We've kind of gone back to, as
you can see here in this intro,

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we've gone back to sort of a
hybrid of our old system in the

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new system.
I liked the intros and and

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promos better on the old system
than I did on the new system.

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So we're probably going to keep
both and kind of straddle one

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leg across each and that's the
plan for today anyways.

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But you know, things evolve,
things change.

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And in other housekeeping news,
there is a another newsletter

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being created right now by the
lovely Sarah and she should have

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that out, I believe by the end
of this week, maybe early next

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week.
It's a work in progress and

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she's all over it.
So if you know Sarah by now, you

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know that she likes to get stuff
done.

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So probably by the time you're
listening to this, it's already

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out.
And one of the pieces of news,

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which again a week later is
probably going to be old news,

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but it's relatively new right
now, is this Rock Nashville

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thing.
And so very cool.

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You know, one of the things
that's been a common theme about

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among everyone I've spoken to is
that there's still a massive

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need for more rehearsal space.
As much as companies, you know,

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like Gateway, who we had on
recently, and others have

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created rehearsal space, there's
still not enough.

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And So what we're finding is
that you know more companies are

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talking about it.
I'm starting to see more and

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more sort of whispering going on
of other opportunities out there

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or other you know deals that are
are being made or whatever.

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But this Rock Nashville one is
big.

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It's you know, of course Rock
Lititz, same company, same

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people, same mission and vision.
So it's a 55 acre campus.

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I'm reading this from an article
that was posted on PLSN.

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So giving credit to PLSN for
this.

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So the it's a 55 acre campus,
609,000 square feet of

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production company vendors,
which of course includes Clare

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Brothers sound image and who
else.

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I saw it somewhere in the
drawings.

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Oh, of course.
Sound Check, which is big news.

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Sound Check is moving in.
Sound Check has been in in

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Nashville as long as I can
remember, probably as long as

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I've been in the US anyways, I
think I remember when they

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opened Sound Check actually in
Nashville.

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So yeah, lots of production
stuff going on in there.

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There are going to be thirteen
band and production rehearsal

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studios ranging from 600 square
feet to 2100 square feet.

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A full size arena, stadium,
production rehearsal facility

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which is 200 feet by 125 by 95
with a rigging clear with a

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rigging grid at 80 feet clear
which is going to get most shows

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through there.
One full size amphitheater,

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arena size production rehearsal
facility which is 125 by 100

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feet, 75 feet high with a
rigging grid at 60 feet clear,

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backline rental 300 plus
lockers, set storage, artist,

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relation offices, community cafe
and collaboration space, etc.

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So to find out more information
about that or to go rent 100,000

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square feet from them go to
rocknashville.com.

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So that's a big one.
I think that's going to solve a

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lot of problems for a lot of
performers who are struggling to

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find rehearsal space right now
for their shows.

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So what else?
That's it for news today.

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I'm not going to go into any AI
stuff because I'm actually going

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to cover some stuff with the
guest today.

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Today's guest is one of the
happiest and and most colorful

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guys I think our industry's
really ever been introduced to.

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And that is Steve Warren.
Steve was last on the podcast

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back in November of 2019.
I can't believe it was that long

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ago.
He was also on a bunch of the

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weekly zoom calls that we had.
He was a a fairly standard

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fixture on those zoom calls.
You know, Steve's just I think

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one of those guys.
He's everyone's favorite guy to

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run into at the pubs, at the
trade shows or whatever.

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And but anyways, for to check
out that episode that he was on

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last, that's episode #55, which
you can get at either Geezers of

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Gear, up.com or search from it
for episode #55 wherever you get

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your podcast.
Or you could actually just go to

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Google and type in Steve Warren
Geezers of Gear and you'll find

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it.
It was pre YouTube though, so

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you're not going to find him on
YouTube.

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We just started YouTube last
summer, summer of 2023, so a

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little bit earlier than that, a
lot earlier than that.

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So Steve Warren was a
shareholder and director of

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Avolites Limited until its
recent sale to Roby.

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For over 35 years, Steve was the
public face of the console and

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dimming manufacturer.
He began his career designing

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electrical layouts for
hospitals, police stations and

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public buildings before joining
AVO in 1984 and working his way

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up into a technical sales role.
Then the opportunity came in

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1991 to purchase save lights
from the original owners.

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Steve bought the assets of the
company and became the new

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general manager or managing
director, where he stayed until

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the recent sale.
Steve has done a lot of other

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interesting things along the way
and I personally, and I'm sure

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you share this with me, I can't
wait to hear about what he's had

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going on in his life and what he
has in store for 2024 as well

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now that that sale has
completed.

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So please join me and welcome
the amazing Steve Warren.

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Oh, Steven.
Marcel, good to see you.

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How you doing?
We're now recording.

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You can still text me the
picture.

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I want to see the picture.
I'm going to send you the

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picture of the big house, OK?
In fact, I only wanted.

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Of course, when Steve says the
big house, it's very, very

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small.
It's, it's just.

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Bigger than the tiny, minuscule
house.

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The one I sent you exactly, To
be honest, we wanted to buy this

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one house and make it into
something like a, you know, nice

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family dwelling that we could
have guests over and add space

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for a pinball room, which is
really important to me, a

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pinball and a table tennis room.
So I keep telling my wife and in

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the end there was legally
attached to three other ruins.

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One was a olive press, which is
quite large, so that can become

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the yoga studio and a community
space.

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And then these two small ruins.
And you thought, you know what,

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let's start with the two small
ruins because we know nothing

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about what we're doing and and
actually learn something, you

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know.
So yeah, the pictures, I said.

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You were the two small ruins
that were just, they're going

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quite well, so exciting.
When you say ruins, like are

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they actually, you know, a
couple, 100 years old or?

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What are they?
Literally, and we don't know

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exactly, but the builder who was
on it, who is working on it,

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that's exactly the figure he
used, he said.

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Look, these have been there for
200 years.

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They're still standing.
Some of them are in good shape,

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some of them are not.
The pictures are just with you,

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the second of the larger.
Place I'm looking.

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At them.
Wow, this.

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Is.
Crazy.

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I wish I.
I could share them, but I won't.

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But no, it's OK but more than
welcome.

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But basically they're stone
houses built out of something

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called schist, which is like
slate.

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So it's a stone houses.
Built out of shit over here.

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Too, I know that's what people.
Tell me I'm my house in.

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A shit house.
Actually, I've got a house built

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out of shit.
Shit.

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It's the land of shit, yeah.
Yeah, so they're literally stone

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cottages.
Been here like 200 years.

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One of them had sort of a roof,
but it's pretty much fallen in

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one of has no roof at all and
the two large ones have no roof

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at all.
So literally just a pile of

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rock, but four walls and no
windows, no doors, no roof and

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we're going to go in.
Got them with the aid of some

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very good, knowledgeable local
builders and it's been really

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fun.
It's, I mean, when they put in

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that roof beam, it's huge, you
know, this massive, great piece

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of wood, you know, it's oh wow.
That's it.

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There we go.
I figured out how to share a

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screen.
I've never done this one before,

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so this is awesome.
This is.

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Awesome.
Yeah, so this is going to be

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home.
This is in central Portugal,

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near the mountains.
Everyone thinks you're on the

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coast if by the beach, if you
move to Portugal.

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But no, we are right between the
the beach and the Spanish

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border.
So about about an hour up to the

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mountains where it snows
occasionally, and about an hour

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over to the beach where all the
surfers are.

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So it's a good spot.
A lot of runaway hippies up

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here, you know?
Yeah, and there's a few.

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So.
Awesome.

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I love that.
Hey, let me tell you, Marcel,

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I'm very near the Sales Director
of Function One, David Brummel.

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He's all seasoned.
There as well.

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Yeah.
And do you remember Clive?

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Clive Stanley of.
Course.

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You're too young.
What do you mean?

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Really.
Yeah.

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Clive is 2 villages away from
me, so how about that?

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That's incredible, this.
Isn't old.

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Old retired industry people
never died.

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They.
Just go to.

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Portugal.
He was my.

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Boss, he was the sales.
Director of Eight Lights

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originally and that's how I got
into sales, he he convinced me

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to do it.
Think I actually met him when I

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met you in like 1990 or
something like a long time ago.

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Yes, you.
You.

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Remember meeting me 'cause I was
a young punk at the time, but.

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I'm not always.
I'm sure we hung out, 'cause

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that was the LDI's.
I mean, they kept moving around

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back then, didn't they?
They were always in the city.

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It was really, it was a great
way to see America and learn

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America because, yeah, I've got
family in Florida, as you know.

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I love Florida.
What a great place to be.

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But it was really good.
I actually like these different

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cities, you know I liked.
It better, Yeah.

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I.
Got bored of going to Vegas

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every year.
I know Vegas is the greatest

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place for trade shows.
And you know, The thing is like

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unlike you know you who has fun
anywhere you go.

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I think a lot of people, you
know, they're married, they have

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kids and they like to get away
to Vegas for a few days and have

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a party.
And you know, it's really sort

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of let your hair down time for
me, you know, just to go and do

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business.
I, you know, Vegas is the

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hardest place to do it in a
sense, you know.

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What?
But nobody turns up on the

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Sunday 'cause they're all burned
from Saturday night.

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Yeah.
So you lose 30% of the trade

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show anyway, you know?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So it's it's a lot to pack into

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two days, isn't it?
That's what I it.

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Sure is.
And you know, but unlike you, I

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I actually have really slowed
down a lot.

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And so when I go to, when I go
to LDI in Vegas, I'll be at the

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bar with the usual crowd and
I'll be like, hey guys, I'll be

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right back.
I just got to go to the

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bathroom.
Boom, I'm up to bed.

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It's, you know, freaking 11:45
or something.

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I'm in bed sleeping by midnight.
So no.

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You might.
I think, listeners, I think he's

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saying this, for instance.
He didn't spoil this man, so I'm

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not so sure I'm looking into his
eyes right now.

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No, it's it's funny because I've
started to to strategically

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place my hotel or hotel room
based on the ability to sneak

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out of, you know, dangerous
situations.

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I only recently heard that that
was called an Irish goodbye.

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Oh, is it?
Yeah, I thought that was quite

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sweet.
An Irish goodbye is when you

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don't say to anything to anyone,
you just disappear.

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And of course I.
Always just.

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Called it a Houdini.
I just call it a Houdini.

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Well, you know, my partner's, my
wife is Colombian, I'm half

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Jamaican.
We could take an hour to leave

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anywhere.
We have the opposite of the

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Irish, Dubai.
We just say goodbye to everyone

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like five times.
So it's really hard to go and we

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went to a crazy raid.
But I mean, you talk about

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still, you know, staying up
late.

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I'm like, well, it's not far
from the truth, 'cause I went to

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a free party here in Portugal
and I think I've been to a free

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party since Stonehenge, both in
80. 4 Where's the Free party?

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A free party is is terrible.
A free party has two quite large

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stages, but nobody's in charge,
no security, no dog, no.

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They have a license, which was
amazing.

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They have piece of land.
Nobody pays, which means that

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the toilets are dreadful.
There's packs of dogs wandering

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around dogs inside a festival.
Man it was.

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Like some scene from Mad Max.
I'm like, are we sure we want to

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stay here, baby?
And she's like, there's music

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going, we're staying.
So and believe it or not we

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slept in the car, which thank
God I've got.

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I used to have a really small
car, but now I'm in now the Q5

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and we just put the seats back
and pretended we're in first

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class 4:00 in the morning when
it's.

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Good in the car.
So yeah, it's still still

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staying up to you late.
It was great.

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It was nice to take part in, and
the next day we went to a really

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nice, much more family, had some
kids there now, and some friends

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were playing in the band, and
that was much more akin to

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what's going on up here.
There's a lot of community

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events where you know the band,
the French, couple of friends

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will do DJ ING, and quite often
you're raising money for the

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school or the hippie school or
for somebody's workshop at

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Burndale, you know, some crazy
shit.

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And it's really nice to take
part in those things, you know,

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because quite often, you know,
I'm looking to get some lights

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up here.
I'm really keen to do that and

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just let people borrow them for
the events and I'm hoping to

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train up some of the kids and
hopefully they'll get into our

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industry.
That's the sort of long term

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background agenda.
So you're like a Portuguese

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gypsy hippie?
Sort of.

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Gypsy, sort of, you know, And
there's a couple.

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Of we've got a few other.
Production people in the area.

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I think what happens is other
production people from and from

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some sizable for German
festivals, from a big circus

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group that plays some notable
venues in London and as I say,

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the function one sales director,
he's here as well and there's

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looking mirror.
But another.

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Dies anyways different music
people.

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So.
Well, it's a lot of people out

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here and it's great because it's
a mix of of country, living

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quiet and living, you know,
really sort of wholesome.

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But every so often, every couple
of weekends, we have a big party

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and everyone gets together and
and you hang out with people

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like 90 people and that's
really, you know, to me, that's

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perfect.
So what's the nearest city?

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Nearest airport.
It's OK.

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The nearest city is called
Coimbra, which is the third

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largest city in Portugal.
Yeah, And basically it's halfway

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between Lisbon and Porto.
Everybody knows.

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Yes, but everybody knows Porto,
right?

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And those two are on the coast.
And so literally, we're halfway

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down the country and halfway
between the sea and the Spanish

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border.
OK?

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It's almost like dropping a dot
in the middle of the country.

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It's like Orlando in Florida.
Right, Yeah.

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Same thing.
That's right.

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Long and rectangular.
That's right.

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Yeah, long and rectangular and
Orlando's right in the.

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Center right in the middle?
Exactly.

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Yeah.
It's.

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Yeah, it's And I suppose why
Portugal?

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It's interesting.
It's had a really well running.

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You know, I'm not particularly
political, but I read somewhere

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that had a it's the only place
in Europe that has a really well

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running socialist government.
So the taxes are a little bit

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high for the people that are
working.

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But I'm working a lot less now,
so that didn't really affect me.

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I love a little bit of the
crypto space and there is no tax

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on any crypto sales.
Not that I've sold, but hey,

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maybe we do one day.
If it doesn't all turn to

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shifts, you know, yeah, but.
As I say, a lot of friends were

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talking.
About it, And it had a sort of

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sort of they're very welcoming
in Europe because so many

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Portuguese are living outside of
Portugal.

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They're very keen to attract.
People there.

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So there's very little, there's
very little tax on your savings

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or pension when that kicks in.
But mainly we just had a a.

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Few.
Really good friends.

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We'd moved and we said, hey,
let's go have a look, you know?

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I tell you what's.
Really good.

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It's in.
It's in Europe.

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It's part of Europe.
You can get a European passport

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after five years.
I'm really pissed about Brexit.

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I could not be more angry about
Brexit because I do feel

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European.
We're UK, but we're Europeans

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for God's sake.
So you know, there are quite a

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few people who have said, you
know what, screw this, I'm going

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to go live in Europe and I'm
going to live in five years.

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I'll have a European passport.
I am actually European.

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So that was part of it.
And to say just a sort of very

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open attitude.
When you go to the beach,

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there's free parking, there's
recycling, there's it is

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everywhere in my town there's
free parking.

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It's now it's not just about the
parking, it's more that the

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government is really sort of
looks out for the people.

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There are lots of picnic spots
and.

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They're really well.
Kept and there's pizza ovens

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outside and seating for people
to use and you're like wow it's

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it's you know they they seem
very focused on keeping the the

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people of the country happy and.
Crimes.

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Crime is reasonable.
It's relatively low.

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It's apparent what they claim.
It's the third safest place in

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the world.
Now I struggle with that because

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what more than Singapore, You
know, like there's Singapore in

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that group and there's Japan in
that group, but they have

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incredibly low.
Yeah, they buy.

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Exactly.
They have incredibly low crime

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rate.
And in fact, the friends that I

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stay with again involved in the
production industry.

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A video guy who hooked me up
with a place I came to visit

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him.
He never locks his doors and

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sometimes I look after his off
grid house.

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And I.
Swear in my cell, we walk out

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the house and I think, you know
what, I'm still.

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Just going to put all the.
Computers underneath the sofa

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because it freaks me out that
I'm walking out of the house

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with all my technology and
there's no locks on the door.

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That is.
Crazy.

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There's no locks on the door
now.

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He's not in the city.
You know he's in a little

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village, he's in little valley.
You walk down to his house,

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cross the river, got to his
house, but there's not like 6

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houses around and people know
that he's a foreigner living

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there.
So if I was a criminal, I'd

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think, hey, I'm going to go rob
the foreigner.

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Say they're the ones in the back
and they just don't worry about

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it.
Other people tell me they don't

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bother lock their cars they so,
you know I still lock my car.

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I I'm, I was brought up.
You know I've been spending a

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lot of time in the city, so I'm
not quite converted.

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Yeah.
But you know, I I have, I have a

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beautiful house in in a mountain
town in Canada.

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That's much more, much more.
What would you call it?

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Sort of a.
Newer.

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It's a newer area.
It's it's not like Portugal, you

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know what I mean?
But small town.

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And when we first built the
house there in 2005, I guess a

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lot of my friends left their
doors unlocked.

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I left my door unlocked most
days, like almost always, and

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had no alarm.
Nobody had alarms.

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And my buddy had a beautiful BMW
in the driveway and he left the

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keys in it all the time, too.
He never took the keys out of

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his car.
It's changed, you know, in in

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whatever almost 20 years, it's
changed a lot.

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And so there are, you know,
there's burglaries and break

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insurance and you know there
there's still no, you know,

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violent crime to speak of.
But it's just unfortunate that,

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you know, with population,
movement and and different

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things that happen, different
cultures that blend together,

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sooner or later you're gonna end
up with someone who goes I want.

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What he's got.
Over there.

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I want his stuff, you know?
It's.

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It's really strange and I wonder
if it's because it was under a

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fascist dictator till 1975,
which is quite recent.

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And so they have a very, they've
been very controlled in the

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past, super secure crime just
didn't happen, you know.

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Yeah, I wonder.
I I really have a feeling that

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that very strict upbringing, if
you like, for a country has left

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this hallmark.
Of.

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There is just so little violent
crime and.

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Certainly none out.
Where we are, it's just, it just

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doesn't happen.
And everyone knows each other,

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you know?
Yeah, yeah.

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You know, sometimes that's just
culture.

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You know, like, I I know I grew
up where you didn't steal

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someone else's bike, bicycle.
You didn't, you know, you didn't

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go to school and start fights.
Unless you, you know, unless you

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were some kind of a really bad
person or a thug or.

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Something.
But yeah, I mean it was just a

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whole different sort of mindset
like whereas now it's it's all

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obviously very different today.
Than yeah, the news was

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shocking.
When we were.

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So there are a lot of families
moving here and I think for the

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same reason as they all
mentioned the same thing, that

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kids can walk around, they'd
have to worry about it, you

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know, that whatever the.
Yeah, it's funny, I think the

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00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,360
older you get as well.
I grew up in Jamaica, as you

454
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,720
know, and I'm used to having
burglar bars on the House.

455
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,680
And my wife, when we go back to
Colombia, obviously it's in a

456
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,920
gated compound just like you
would in in Rio or Sao Paulo.

457
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,040
And it's sort of weird.
You're like, Oh yeah, this is

458
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,160
how we used to live, you know?
And.

459
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840
And when you're so, you just
become used to the fact that

460
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,480
you've been in Europe, which is
a much safer place and now

461
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,360
you're in probably the safest
place within Europe, maybe

462
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,000
outside of Switzerland or
somewhere.

463
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,200
You know, so yeah.
Yeah, it's it's a nice feeling

464
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,800
and it's I just, I just.
Learned a Swiss thing recently.

465
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520
You know, I, I I'll try and keep
it short.

466
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,240
You know my son's in racing and
so we had a sponsor reach out to

467
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,560
us who wanted to get heavily
involved in his career to the

468
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,280
tune of you know more than
€1,000,000, more than €2 million

469
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,120
and you know, so we took it
pretty seriously.

470
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,880
I got my lawyer involved, we we
really reviewed documents and

471
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:17,120
everything was totally legit
until I flew over to Italy to to

472
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,040
meet these guys from
Switzerland.

473
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,680
I met one of them and there was
crypto involved.

474
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,640
And when we started digging into
it, I realized where the scam

475
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,480
was.
It was exactly where the only

476
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,400
place it could have been was
where it was.

477
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,840
And so basically there was going
to be a funky little exchange of

478
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:43,880
money where they could steal it
from me and and So what I

479
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,200
learned was because I had to dig
heavily into how crypto worked

480
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,880
and stuff because I didn't know.
And so one of my friends is an

481
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,680
expert in a very a technology
guy basically.

482
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,640
And he.
He really knew how things

483
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,880
happened in crypto.
And he said as long as you don't

484
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,680
do this, you're OK And I said,
well, that's exactly what

485
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,560
they're asking you to do.
And he says run away, run away,

486
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,400
go, you know, and plus the
platform that they're asking you

487
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,440
to be on is, you know,
definitely problematic.

488
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,640
So he explained to me that there
are only a couple places in the

489
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,600
world that do not recognize
financial crimes as crime.

490
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,640
And Switzerland and Dubai, I
think were the two really.

491
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,640
And so that's why so many of
these scams are based out of

492
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,880
Switzerland or Dubai.
You know, So yeah,

493
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,840
cryptocurrency.
If you get.

494
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Ripped off.
It's it's your fault, you know.

495
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Well, this is the thing that's
right.

496
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,800
Well, there's nobody to protect.
You everyone talks about self

497
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,640
custody.
And how great it is scares the.

498
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Hell out of me.
Because I'm just not that

499
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280
organized, but I don't know,
just feeling.

500
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,880
But I suppose I just.
I like the idea of a bit more

501
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,040
autonomy, and I think maybe
that's also with sort of being

502
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,120
here, we're quite an autonomous
community sorting out our own

503
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,320
stuff.
And I think, yeah, that's sort

504
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,240
of forcing mine.
But it wasn't the main, let's

505
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,040
say.
It wasn't the main reason.

506
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,800
It was mainly that where in
Europe can I find a good sandy

507
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,880
beach, a hot summer, a long
spring and a long autumn?

508
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,160
The winter is super teeny tiny
short and you still.

509
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Have the seasons.
But.

510
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,520
Who needs a long winter?
You know that great drizzle in

511
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,200
the UK?
That that's I suppose.

512
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,680
I think it just broke.
Me in the end.

513
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Can you say as far as, yeah, but
it's a long way away here.

514
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,480
I can fly back in like an hour
and a half and and it's cost

515
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,320
nothing.
Yeah, well, Jamaica is the

516
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,880
opposite end of the spectrum.
You know, it's it's worse.

517
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,080
Than Florida, where I live.
Yeah, you know.

518
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,080
It's the opposite.
It's, you know, the summers are

519
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,680
just unbearable and yeah.
Yeah, you don't walk in the

520
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,360
street, you know, you don't walk
in the street.

521
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,880
You do look like your shoulder a
bit.

522
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,000
And so I think, yeah, it's it's
different.

523
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
So I would recommend anybody
wants to come here and have and

524
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,360
stop by there.
You know, we'll be, we accept a

525
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,400
lot of guests.
We were just saying today, wow,

526
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600
we've had so many guests and
we're not even living here at

527
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,240
the full time yet.
Just.

528
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,120
Building that house.
My friend just dropped windows.

529
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,680
I was telling you this
afternoon, and he's ADOP, you

530
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,080
know, he was DOP us big films as
well, send about movies and so

531
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240
on.
Yeah, he's living down South.

532
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,120
He's looking to buy some land up
in central Portugal where it's a

533
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,200
little bit, little bit less dry.
And yeah, so it's just nice to

534
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,320
hook up with another production
guy, yeah.

535
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,560
See.
You don't need to speak

536
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,840
Portuguese to be there.
No.

537
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Poor.
I speak a little bit of Spanish.

538
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,640
I speak a little bit more
Spanish than I used to.

539
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,560
I say my wife's Colombian and
I'm desperate to have longer

540
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,440
conversations with our mom and
dad because they're so much fun.

541
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,520
They're trying to learn English.
I'm I'm on day 192 of Duolingo.

542
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,720
I'm doing my best and I'm
certainly getting somewhere and

543
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240
the language is very similar.
They don't like to be spoken to

544
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,200
in Spanish because they're not
Spanish but the the Portuguese.

545
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,960
The same with the Brazilians.
The Brazilians and Portuguese

546
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,600
understand Spanish, but very
often the the Spanish will not

547
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,000
understand Portuguese.
So Portuguese is a little bit

548
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640
like Spanish plus.
It's got.

549
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,840
Spanish plus some extra sounds.
So if you speak in Spanish and

550
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,280
speak slowly, they'll
understand.

551
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,320
And because the two languages
are similar, I'm starting to

552
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,400
pick up a few phrases and start.
But my wife is going really fast

553
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,880
and so I'm picking up stuff from
her.

554
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,920
We do intend to because if I
want to go for a passport then I

555
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,560
do need to have basic
Portuguese.

556
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,800
So I know that within five years
I need to have some basic.

557
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,560
But what you find is all of the
really old people, the as well

558
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,960
as, you know, the grandmothers
and grandfathers, they you'd

559
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,480
have to speak in Portuguese or
Spanish.

560
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080
But of course, anyone under 40,
they'll speak a bit of English,

561
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,040
and anyone under 30, they're
speaking English, yeah.

562
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,000
But it's.
It's like Italy, you know, when

563
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680
when you get outside of the
cities, I would guess, you know,

564
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,480
and you get into the smaller
towns and stuff.

565
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680
There's people who've never
spoken a word of English.

566
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,520
You know they.
Don't they don't.

567
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,960
Know any English?
Like when I used to have to go

568
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,920
to Castell, Gofredo all the
time.

569
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Or como.
You know, you didn't speak a lot

570
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,960
of English there.
They just, I couldn't mention,

571
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,480
you know, and even sometimes in
the big cities.

572
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Do you speak English?
A little.

573
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,280
You know, a little means a
little means forget it.

574
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,920
Good.
Morning.

575
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,160
Yeah.
So yeah, without my wife, it

576
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,160
would be a lot more tricky.
It would be a lot trickier.

577
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,200
But you know, of course, she's
got Spanish as the first

578
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,200
language and they understand her
really well.

579
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,480
So between the two of us, we
sort of manage here.

580
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,040
It's cool.
Well, as a side note, so I I

581
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,720
think I've told you before, but
my girlfriend's like you, she's

582
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,520
British mixed race, kind of part
Jamaican mixed in there

583
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960
somewhere.
Her family came from Jamaica,

584
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,560
many of them.
She's got Colombian and Chinese

585
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,920
and all kinds of stuff in in her
upbringing or in her, you know?

586
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,520
Bloodline, I guess.
But her son is married to a

587
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:56,080
Peruvian, Peruvian who has a
language school, so she teaches

588
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Americans, Brits etcetera,
Spanish, but she teaches them

589
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,600
properly and she also teaches
Latin people English.

590
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,880
So I mean if you ever want a
connection to that cuz.

591
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,040
She's quite.
Good at at, at like you can

592
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,480
learn Spanish from someone close
to you who teaches you, but a

593
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,040
teacher does it differently.
A teacher does it differently

594
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,600
and it makes you concentrate.
That's right and I think.

595
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Yeah.
You could hook up.

596
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,080
You ever want, if you ever want
to hook up, yeah.

597
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,320
And it's all on Zoom and stuff,
so And she's lovely.

598
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,680
She's a real decision.
Would be super helpful because

599
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,480
that's it.
You can learn a lot in Duolingo,

600
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,000
but you're sort of scared to
speak.

601
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,800
So the speaking comes last, I
would say.

602
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440
But it's been interesting.
I have to say I'm enjoying it

603
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520
more than I thought.
I've tried a little bit in the

604
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960
past to learn another language
and really, really struggled.

605
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,240
It doesn't come naturally.
Yeah.

606
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,600
Stuck with the Duolingo for so
long and then speaking to our

607
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,360
parents and spending a couple of
months in Colombia recently.

608
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,800
And I'll probably carry on doing
that for month, a year or two

609
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,080
months a year.
I think, you know what?

610
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,720
I'm going to crack it.
I'm going to get there.

611
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,800
You'll never get super fluent,
you know, whatever.

612
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,760
But you know, you at least I
feel I'm getting somewhere now.

613
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,680
There's a point where you almost
want to give up, you know,

614
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,600
visiting.
Oh man, it's too much like hard

615
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,040
work.
I don't know if you, I know

616
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,880
Steve, but I'm trilingual, so I
speak Canadian, American and now

617
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,600
British as well, so.
I I.

618
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Know all three of them?
Yeah.

619
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,880
I know all.
Three of them.

620
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,320
They are very.
Different.

621
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Believe it.
There's a lot of differences.

622
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,920
There's a lot of every once in a
while my girlfriend throws a

623
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,840
word at me and I go, what the
hell are you talking about?

624
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,920
You know?
And she says it's a word, I'm

625
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,760
telling you it's a word.
And and of course, her phone

626
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,240
connects to a British dictionary
and she goes, see, and I go, but

627
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,600
it's not in my Google.
My Google says there's nothing,

628
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720
you know?
So yeah, it's funny, It's.

629
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Quite a small world and it's
getting smaller.

630
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,960
It's good.
And I think, but I'm glad that

631
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,320
the languages are being saved.
I mean, we're very lucky we all

632
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,360
speak English, aren't we?
How lucky are we?

633
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,680
I mean, listen to, you know, all
of your listeners, but your

634
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,080
American listeners.
Aren't we lucky that we were

635
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,720
born in the country, that we
just speak English as a first

636
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,680
language and we have a really
good command of it?

637
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,640
I think about that so often,
yeah, and all that respect.

638
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,600
It's great to learn other
languages, but more and more I

639
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,480
know just the young people in
the company when they.

640
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,360
Travel.
Like if I went to Japan 35 years

641
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,320
ago or whatever.
Oh man, you're you're struggling

642
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,480
and you know and and it's
difficult and the places you you

643
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,320
just wouldn't manage.
And now they just walk up to

644
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,920
people and speak in English and
expect them to reply, which is a

645
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,360
bit sad because hey, it is their
country.

646
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Come on, it's you know.
But but ours is such a global

647
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,600
blessed.
You know.

648
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,120
We're really blessed.
Our ours is such a global

649
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,280
industry, you know it really and
and like I mean if I had a

650
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,760
little sound company or lighting
company in the middle of China

651
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,360
or the Philippines or you know,
Romania or wherever, right, I, I

652
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,560
would probably want to be able
to conduct business with people.

653
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Yeah, Commerce and English is
obviously the widest language.

654
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Like I think for some of us we
like to think it's the only

655
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,200
language.
But I don't, you know, I've

656
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,520
always grown up in Canada around
French speaking people and.

657
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,600
Now we're in South.
Florida around Spanish speaking

658
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,960
people.
And so, you know, I I think it's

659
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,840
great that the world has finally
sort of accepted that, hey, if

660
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,960
we want to kind of do business
with everyone, probably this is

661
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,120
the thread that kind of goes
between us all a little bit.

662
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,520
Yeah, sure.
But but like you, I hope that

663
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,360
all the old languages don't go
away.

664
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Don't go away.
Exactly.

665
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,600
And so good, you know, whatever.
I've become quite supporter of

666
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,159
that I would say, you know, I
think, OK, Steve, stick with it,

667
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,360
deserves it.
Otherwise, they will.

668
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,800
Disappear.
Yeah.

669
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,840
Yeah, it's cool.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

670
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,880
So you know, we kind of just
dove in and started chatting

671
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,719
here, but I mentioned in our
intro at you know, for those who

672
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,680
are listening to this who maybe
just landed on the planet Earth

673
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,960
and have no no idea who this
crazy man is that I'm talking to

674
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,320
right now.
So of course this is Steve

675
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,880
Warren.
Steve is is best known as the

676
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:12,360
guy who worked for managed owned
Ava Lights for a long, long

677
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,120
time.
You know, probably the most

678
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,520
prominent trade show goer.
Yeah, I do love a trade.

679
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,200
I do love a trade.
Show.

680
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Probably one of the wildest men
I've ever known.

681
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,600
You know, I I, you know, again,
being a relatively naive

682
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,760
Canadian, moving to the United
States and then starting to go

683
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000
to these big trade shows.
And I remember the very first

684
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,960
time I saw you show up at a
party or something dressed as a

685
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,560
woman.
And I was like, who the hell is

686
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,400
this man?
Oh, that's that's just Steve.

687
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,760
I do like, I do like to cause
some trouble.

688
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,920
It's great when you go to a
front of house like that, I tell

689
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,120
you.
I mean sometimes on the main

690
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,960
stage I can get really like, Oh
my God, everyone's being so

691
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,320
serious.
On the smaller stage, there's no

692
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,680
problem.
But I think you know what, they

693
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,960
still need a little bit of
shaking up.

694
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,320
That's why we're in this
business.

695
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,840
You know it's.
Hilarious.

696
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,760
It's hilarious, I.
Have to tell you, I have to.

697
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,040
Share with you, Marcel.
That that whole sort of dressing

698
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,840
up thing was came about in such
a weird way.

699
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,840
We used to host the parties,
those Ava life parties.

700
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,920
We had some great parts back in
the day and.

701
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,600
And at one point I thought, I
thought that starts.

702
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,560
You know, theming them.
And so we had different themes

703
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160
and we'd wear costumes again
just to add a bit of sort of

704
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,240
frivolity to it.
And then one year, I can't tell

705
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,520
anyone possessed me but our our
strap line was always from rock

706
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,760
to opera and.
I.

707
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,000
Thought you know.
What I'm going to do?

708
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,320
I'm going to turn up dressed as
Mozart for the opera part.

709
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,480
I'm going to have all of the
calfs, all the frilly calfs.

710
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,960
I rented a whole suit.
And I mean really, look the

711
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,080
part, the boots, everything.
And I thought then when it comes

712
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,880
to midnight, I'm going to change
into my Donner outfit.

713
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,440
Really.
Oh.

714
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,280
My God.
Blow everyone's mind.

715
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,040
You could have been Jagger.
Or something too, you know.

716
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,480
That.
Would have made the same point.

717
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,520
No.
I think I just wanted to wear

718
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,360
the gold breasts.
There's points of gold breasts.

719
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,520
That's.
Still somewhere in the back of

720
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,720
the cupboard.
That's.

721
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,760
Hilarious.
I tell you, Marcel, the face of

722
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,320
my distributors in Japan and my
distributors in Korea, the

723
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,280
Philippines was just priceless
in life.

724
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,520
They don't.
Get it?

725
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Oh no, man.
Oh, the Japanese they expect.

726
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,360
It after a few parties they were
like.

727
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Wow.
What's coming next?

728
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,400
Yeah, because it's stuff that
they wouldn't do.

729
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,320
And I think the corporatization
of our industry, it's, it's been

730
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,480
OK, it's a mixed bag really,
isn't it?

731
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,760
People.
Bitch and mine.

732
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Especially if you believe
people.

733
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,920
People of my age bitch and moan.
I've heard more of it this week

734
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,800
and more of it today, where
people bitch and moan about the

735
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,240
corporatization of our industry.
But the industry has grown much,

736
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,880
much larger than any of us would
ever expected.

737
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:04,320
It employs 1000, you know,
multi, you know, magnitude of

738
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,480
people more than we ever
expected.

739
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,200
So it's a great career choice.
It's a big industry.

740
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,720
It's something that your parents
are not going to tell you off

741
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,760
for going into that industry
when you're a kid.

742
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,440
And people are much safer.
They don't fall out of trusses.

743
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,560
I used to remember when people
used to fall out of trusses

744
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,280
regularly.
I I didn't even want to get.

745
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,280
I told riggers I don't want to
know your wife or kids because

746
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,920
you, you know you guys are too
dangerous.

747
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,040
So.
All of that stuff is good.

748
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,560
But what's not so good is when
people just take it a little bit

749
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,640
too seriously, because we're not
saving lives.

750
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,960
We're doing a great light show.
We're going to, you know, we're

751
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960
going to entertain people.
We're going to help them have a

752
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,120
great weekend.
So put your goddamn feet back on

753
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,000
the floor.
You know, stop being a prima

754
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,400
Donna.
You know, it's we're all going

755
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,560
to make it work and we're going
to pull off a show.

756
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,760
And it's not heart surgery, it's
lighting and it's great and we

757
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080
love it.
And so for me, if I go to

758
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,680
Glastonbury and after midnight I
decide, you know what, I'm going

759
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,160
to put on my girlfriend's shorts
and a pair of fishnets and I'm

760
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,840
going to make some people laugh,
then that's.

761
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,240
What I'm going to do?
If they go to.

762
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,880
Banking or.
Something, you know, that's what

763
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,840
they should do.
But anyway, but that's after

764
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,240
midnight.
Anything can happen after

765
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,840
midnight.
Anything for a laugh.

766
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,720
I think that's anything to raise
a smile is, is one of my

767
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,520
watchwords.
You know, I really like to see

768
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,200
people.
Smile.

769
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,760
So.
This you say?

770
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200
You know.
The Avril lights thing has been,

771
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,440
I'm like, so just to say say
myself but you say you know the

772
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,720
face over lights.
A buyer.

773
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,520
I did do a lot with Avril
Lights.

774
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
I I was the one who said, hey,
we should buy this.

775
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,520
You know when a when the
corporation that owned it back

776
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,000
in 91 decided that they weren't
interested anymore, All of them

777
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200
is true.
But I'm so aware that I'm a

778
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,440
small part in a very large call.
When I look at the design, use

779
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,680
the software people, it's just
I'm the one that people meet.

780
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,720
I suppose I really like
introducing people to Ava lights

781
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,480
and that's why this this summer
we'll be at like 7 or 8

782
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,080
festivals, maybe 10.
And we will meet loads of new

783
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,920
young technicians who will be
super happy to meet someone from

784
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,920
the company and have a personal
invite.

785
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,440
And I'll hook them up with the,
you know, technicians inside the

786
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,760
company.
Only.

787
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,280
Get them going, you know, and
get them for the confidence in

788
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,160
themselves.
But I don't know if the festival

789
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,000
is an excuse for pitching Ava
lights, or if pitching Ava

790
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,520
lights is an excuse to go to a
festival, you know?

791
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,800
It's a beautiful synergistic.
Relationship.

792
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,720
Yeah, yeah, I know you love a
good music festival.

793
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,480
I do love them, I thought.
I spend a lot of time there and

794
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,920
it.
Surprises me because you're.

795
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Moved to the.
Netherlands, you.

796
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Know because.
Like someone told me, someone

797
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,800
told me last year, what do you
think the number is of of

798
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,880
festivals in the Netherlands?
I think there's what, like

799
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,400
15,000,000 people there or
something, 17,000,000?

800
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,080
People, It's not big, is it?
It's a really small country.

801
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,560
How?
Many festivals do you think they

802
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,360
have?
It's a hard.

803
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,480
One because I think UK used to
have like 600 and I put it at

804
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,600
probably 700 now so. 1400
festivals.

805
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,000
No.
In the Netherlands 14.

806
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Country.
Festivals which is a. 5th of the

807
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,840
size of the UK is.
That insane. 20% of the UK?

808
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,240
That is insane.
It's.

809
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Insane.
Like how many did they go to

810
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440
each?
And that was from someone who

811
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,920
knew, you know?
It wasn't.

812
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,040
From some schmuck.
It was from someone who knew.

813
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,600
I was like, you've got to be
kidding.

814
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,800
And part of that is because
again, small country, they don't

815
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480
get a lot of tours that go
through there.

816
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,680
So a lot of the music that they
consume comes by way of

817
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,080
festivals, and some of those
festivals are tiny, but you

818
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,360
know, in total 1400.
Festivals.

819
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,240
So wild.
And.

820
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,800
And it's great.
And I think the festival thing,

821
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,600
I mean you and I have seen that
grow as a niche, you know, in

822
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,680
the same way the table dancing
bars grew as a niche, you know,

823
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,000
popped out of nowhere and
suddenly became a big part of

824
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,920
our industry.
I remember when they were like

825
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,760
festivals, you could count on
one hand almost in the UK and

826
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,400
they just started springing up
and now there's I see festivals.

827
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,480
Yesterday I was hearing that
we're involved.

828
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,440
We've got like 8 consoles at a
like a a nerds festival and I

829
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,920
mean that in the most polite
way, like no, no, he, he said.

830
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,680
He said, Steve, I'm a bit of a
nerd and I love this festival,

831
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,760
love it because you've got so
many consoles.

832
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,960
It's a Science Festival called
EMH, you know, and yeah, like

833
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,320
electromotive force, but it's
for something Electro field

834
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,560
something because it's in a
field and they have science

835
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,400
talks all day.
And they have.

836
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,800
Music at night and you think and
it says it's.

837
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Just.
Poor people like me.

838
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,760
Computer geeks.
Just computer geeks.

839
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,480
And nerds.
And we just love it.

840
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,360
And this is something.
My son.

841
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,200
Would go to he's into VR, he's
into creating virtual worlds.

842
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,480
He's he's got degrees in it.
University, the highest united

843
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,160
postgraduate.
But that's the something.

844
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,000
He would go to comedians and
science talks and doesn't really

845
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,760
care about the music too much.
But there's a festival for them.

846
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
There's food festivals, as you
know.

847
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,280
There's everything you know,
whether it's cars, motorbikes,

848
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,800
whatever you like.
There's a festival for it and I

849
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,120
think that's great because it
gets so many people out to

850
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,680
start, people who wouldn't
normally as the things have got

851
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,520
into it.
Right.

852
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
And now have a reason to go and
it gives us something to light.

853
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,240
I don't know.
We were just.

854
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,320
Starting to have fun, Steve?
Were we censored by somebody, I

855
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,000
mean, the Internet I've checked
said it's on Airbnb.

856
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,880
High speed Internet, it's
always.

857
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,320
Good.
I don't know anyway.

858
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,400
I don't know.
Something happened we.

859
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,800
We used to.
Ship the consoles with a with a

860
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,400
note inside saying.
Never let something technical

861
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,240
know that you really, really
need it.

862
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,720
It's right now, I really.
Really need the Internet?

863
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,720
It's like, I think I've just
disappeared for a while.

864
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,440
You're like, what?
And being back on or moving to

865
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,360
mainland.
Europe.

866
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Especially down here in the
South where it's sort of quite

867
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,520
old fashioned because I'm
speaking to the builder and he

868
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,840
says that and he's chatting away
about the schedule and he sort

869
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,560
of says, well, and we're talking
about August.

870
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,760
And he went well on on holiday.
And he looks at me like I'm

871
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,000
crazy, like, yeah, don't you
know that?

872
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,840
Don't you know that we're all on
holiday in the whole of August

873
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,960
and you're like, oh, I didn't
know that was still a thing.

874
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Yeah.
But that's that's.

875
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Great, they spend.
Time with their families, they

876
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,560
they go back home for lunch
every day and they have lunch

877
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,240
their families and come back to
work.

878
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,960
You're like the whole town shuts
down my local town.

879
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,920
Shuts.
Down at lunchtime, you can't.

880
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Everything is close.
You know I was a part of, I was

881
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,160
a part of the the US company
that bought Comar and I remember

882
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,680
the first year that we were
going through this.

883
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,560
So we closed on the deal like in
spring or something, right.

884
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,840
And you get to summer and we
decided we're not going to close

885
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,400
in August.
You know, we're going to

886
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,840
continue continue building and
shipping product and it became

887
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,400
quite apparent that the entire
country said no, you're not

888
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560
going to do this because you
couldn't get components, you

889
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,600
couldn't get anything picked up,
you couldn't get like you just

890
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,000
couldn't do anything and you.
Could build them, I guess on

891
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,760
your warehouse floor.
Yeah, yeah, we well, if you

892
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,000
don't run out of components or
food or anything else, you know,

893
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,640
it's like I mean because they
don't function that way.

894
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,320
So we did it once, tried it
once, it didn't go very well and

895
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,200
and that was that, you know, we
said OK, I guess we follow.

896
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,480
Sometimes you gotta go with the
flow.

897
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,680
Yeah.
Exactly, exactly.

898
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,520
So going back to AVO, so you
know you obviously had a very

899
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:36,160
long and successful run with AVO
and recently you had the

900
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,720
opportunity along with the rest
of the ownership group to make a

901
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:46,520
deal with a much larger company.
And in having spoken with you in

902
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:53,160
the past, I know that you know,
I think it became important in

903
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,640
our industry and this is, this
is a pattern and a trend by the

904
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,120
way, it's got nothing to do with
AVO.

905
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,960
To succeed in this industry you
have to be well funded.

906
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,920
Right now, you know whether
you're a rental company or

907
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,480
you're a manufacturer, you have
to be rather well funded because

908
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,560
the costs of everything and the
just the size, the scope and

909
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,400
scale of everything has just
gotten that much bigger, right.

910
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:24,040
And so I think for AVO, you know
when, when and correct me, you

911
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,640
know anytime you want on this.
But I always saw AVO like it

912
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,320
reminded me of when I was at
Martin and high end became so

913
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,400
dominant and you know we didn't
have the ideas, product or

914
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,080
resources to compete head to We
tried like hell.

915
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,840
And you know, we we gained a lot
of fans and friends in the

916
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,200
industry because of how hard we
worked and tried and finally got

917
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,640
ourselves in a position to to
compete head to head with them.

918
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,440
But I kind of see like Ava was
so dominant for so many years

919
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,240
and then when these digital
consoles, you know, got bigger

920
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,840
and more expensive and more
elaborate and everything else,

921
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,520
you know, I think you needed a
larger manufacturer to partner

922
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,720
with to.
To.

923
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,840
I I couldn't agree with you more
and you know, it's been on my

924
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,760
agenda to.
Or, you know, sort of.

925
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,240
Something wanted to achieve and
think right how do we take this

926
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:25,000
to the next step because it was
quite a cottage industry and

927
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,960
certainly in the beginning and
and as you say we're all you

928
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,880
know totally dominant 8080% of
the market all of the big shows

929
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,280
in a similar position to the
German company now finds And

930
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,120
then if you like, as you say we
took our eye off the ball on the

931
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,360
larger stuff and really focused
on a lot of smaller high volume

932
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,800
stuff which is very successful,
brought a lot of people into the

933
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,360
industry.
But it's really important to

934
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480
have those headline shows you
know and other companies

935
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,240
shouldn't it And so it's great
to be a it's great to be back in

936
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,520
the ring even though the the
newcomer and like all right

937
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,360
let's see how these guys do.
We've got some really

938
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,480
interesting touch points, you
know, on.

939
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,360
In.
The way that we work because we

940
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,080
it's sort of very focused on
being intuitive and create you

941
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
know, creative and less about
learning a programming language.

942
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,560
And I think to me, I think
there's still a great scope for

943
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,360
that because you know, I'd like
to believe and I really do

944
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,680
believe that a lot of creative
people come into this industry

945
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,360
they're not code writers, not
programmers and and so the more

946
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,000
you can cater that and make it a
a pleasurable experience to to

947
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,440
create your vision, the the more
successful you'll be.

948
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,640
But back on on to the commercial
line, you know, when I look at

949
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,880
the outlay, you know for to get
the Diamond 9 running and even

950
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,840
more so with this D7, the the
Diamond 7 console that we've

951
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,560
just shown at LDI and Frankfurt,
the advanced orders are huge and

952
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,520
they're huge.
With Roby they would have been

953
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,440
very large anyway, but with the
power of Roby behind us and

954
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,200
their sales force and their
awareness, it's absolutely

955
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,560
taking our breath away the
hundreds of of orders before

956
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,560
even the production models been
produced.

957
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,400
But of course that needs a big
check to to buy those components

958
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,960
and and you know that you have
to place the orders for the

959
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,600
components like months and you
know so far in advance and you

960
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,080
have to have that production
line funded in advance and and

961
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,960
as you say it's become it's just
not able to run.

962
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,080
It was great being a small ship,
agile ship on a turbulence you

963
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,560
know in a turbulent ocean.
But for many years I've thought

964
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,880
right we did a great job we've
had really good time doing it.

965
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,320
You know a lot of things we're
really proud of but we need to

966
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,680
be a part we need a partner and
we need the right partner.

967
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,320
We've always been really close
to Roby, you know, as you know,

968
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,480
they use our consoles for their
trade shows and we.

969
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,000
Get a lot.
Of feedback from them and to me

970
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,160
something that's also
interesting is them buying

971
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,520
artistic license.
I don't know how well your

972
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,240
listeners know artistic license
but they're all using artistic

973
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:04,400
license products in a sense
because artistic license Wayne

974
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,160
I've known since he came out of
university and you know when he

975
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,160
when he graduated in 1985 or
something he was the one who

976
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,280
invented artnet that everyone
has used and and that's become

977
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:21,400
and he now has is it a Talkback
protocol he's he's developing

978
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,600
art Nets over over network as
well you know so he's he's

979
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,840
really sort of stretching he
he's going to come up with other

980
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,880
fundamental changes that are
really cool.

981
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,000
He is so clever and if you like
he focuses on the networking

982
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,520
part of it.
We focus on what we're doing in

983
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,000
the consoles and control and
making it fast and furious, so

984
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,120
we can talk about how I see the
industry moving in terms of

985
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,040
fixtures and so on.
And we've got LSC in the group

986
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,240
now who bring a lot of sort of
technology in terms of dimming,

987
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,040
but more importantly in terms of
mains distribution.

988
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,160
Because as the rigs get into
hundreds and thousands even of

989
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,080
fixtures, mains distribution is
another whole ball game that you

990
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,800
know.
And so I feel between us with

991
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,800
the power Roby has with all the
fixtures at different levels us

992
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,640
for the consoles, the the main
distribution products from LSC

993
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,440
and artistic license, it's like
a really powerful you know

994
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,840
shoulder to shoulder group and.
So.

995
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
I keep telling people I feel
really strongly about this, This

996
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,880
is chapter 3.
You know, we have the original

997
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,640
Founders, Chapter One back in
the day when it all started in

998
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:37,040
like 8078 and they did some
amazing things and and then as

999
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,400
they started to slow down if you
like or lose focus on where it

1000
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,320
needed to be, we were there, we
took it over.

1001
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,320
We took it over as a group of
owners and we kept, you know,

1002
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,040
managed that for 32 years, built
up the distribution.

1003
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,920
Network.
And this Chapter 3 is just it's

1004
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,840
blowing my mind because it's got
the Diamond 9, which is doing

1005
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,600
great, and people are starting
to see why.

1006
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,080
It's an interesting platform to
work with and a pleasurable

1007
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:05,120
platform to use.
The D7, the type T3 again, we,

1008
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,440
we completely got the
forecasting wrong.

1009
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,200
We saw so many of those, yeah.
And so we've got a whole new

1010
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,200
product range, new management in
place, a new parent, new

1011
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,320
manufacturing, you know, might
behind us, new buying power for

1012
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,640
components.
They're just so many things that

1013
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,920
have changed for the goods.
And I'm really glad to be part

1014
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,840
of it.
You know, I don't want to be

1015
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,880
standing in anyone's way.
I don't want to be the old guy

1016
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,800
who slows it up in any way, but
I'm totally there to keep

1017
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,360
meeting people at.
Whatever.

1018
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,480
Events and bring them into the
company, you know.

1019
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,120
You know it's it's interesting
because you say a lot of we

1020
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,080
stuff and and I think I like a
lot of people was under the

1021
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,960
assumption that you were
basically out now retired and

1022
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,720
and had left and and then you
just recently told me no, no,

1023
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,040
no, I still work there and very
much a part of it.

1024
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,960
And you know I know you know
your heart and and pride and you

1025
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,680
know many, many years of your
life were invested in that

1026
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,640
company blood sweat and tears
literally.

1027
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,320
Right.
Yeah.

1028
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,600
And so it must really be a proud
moment for you, like, you know,

1029
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,280
watching it become.
You know, sort of blossom, I

1030
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,080
would say.
Yeah.

1031
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,240
That's right.
And so and as you say on the

1032
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,120
retirement thing, I'm just going
to throw in there because

1033
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,440
occasionally people come up to
say, hey Steve, what's it like

1034
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,240
in retirement?
How's?

1035
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,600
Your time now they.
You know.

1036
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:24,800
Their fault?
Yeah.

1037
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,400
I've never.
Went so hard.

1038
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,040
I've got four buildings to build
and I'm still picking up the

1039
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,600
phone trailer lights.
Yeah, you know, and it's great,

1040
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,560
but great team there.
So it is totally not all about

1041
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,320
me.
It is totally about hooking

1042
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,640
people.
I meet up with the right people

1043
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160
in naval lights and that's great
because the people are there but

1044
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,160
just glad to be parts of it.
Do my one day week thing, you

1045
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:45,920
know.
Yeah.

1046
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,320
Is your role basically brand
ambassador?

1047
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,880
Yes, I think it's hard to know.
We've had business development

1048
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,560
brand ambassador gets put in
there.

1049
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,040
I'll tell you I I mean at the
end I just took everything off

1050
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,240
and just had director and now
I'm thinking actually I don't

1051
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,480
think I'll go with the job
title.

1052
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,120
I just sign off with Steve
Warren because I worry I think

1053
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,440
quite often.
I see you know actually

1054
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,280
marketing people come and go.
I've seen a business development

1055
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,840
managers come and go.
I've seen brand.

1056
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,560
Ambassadors.
Come and go, Yeah.

1057
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,680
It's like it's not a real job
the the managing director,

1058
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,720
that's a real job.
Sales director, real job.

1059
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,240
Finance, yeah.
Real job.

1060
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,000
I see.
Well, I can't really lose jobs

1061
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,400
anymore, so I'll just be me A.
Title.

1062
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,720
Less man.
A Titleist, man.

1063
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,880
That's that's the way forward.
And as I say, a day, a week when

1064
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,720
people say So what, you only
pick up the phone on Fridays?

1065
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,520
Is that what you're saying?
Like no, no, no.

1066
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,920
I pick up the phone to anyone I
tell anyone out there who knows

1067
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,280
me, wants to contact me, send me
a message, send me a WhatsApp,

1068
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,680
send me an e-mail.
You'll get reply always and I'll

1069
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,680
check it every day, but it sort
of works out, you know, if you

1070
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,080
think, if you're not sitting at
the office doing that all day,

1071
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:57,520
you think, OK, I'll bill one
day, one day a week.

1072
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,600
And that that.
Covers it because I like

1073
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,040
speaking to people when they
pick up, when they call me now.

1074
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,920
So yeah, still part of it.
Let.

1075
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,880
Me ask you a couple questions.
So has manufacturing moved or is

1076
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,120
manufacturing still in?
No.

1077
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,760
Manufacturing is still in the
UK, still in London and what

1078
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,960
we'll see is an incremental
change that was there's been a

1079
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,600
question from a lot of people.
Saying, oh does everything.

1080
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,120
Get built in Czech Republic now
are you?

1081
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,880
Like, hey, it wouldn't be great
just to change everything

1082
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,000
overnight.
Robi are busy doing what they're

1083
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,080
doing and so even if we wanted
to, it wouldn't be possible.

1084
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,480
So what we're looking for you
know is initial things like Robi

1085
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,520
have a great PCB plant, they've
bought their own PCB plant.

1086
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,200
Well, there's no point in us
getting PCBS made by any other

1087
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,880
supplier other than the parent.
So we can have really fast turn

1088
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,640
around for prototyping stuff
which has been great.

1089
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,520
So you have an immediate benefit
from that because the prototype

1090
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,040
being much faster now within the
group.

1091
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,400
So the first thing is like PCBS
will get, will get be like

1092
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,160
produced by Roby and next second
step would be metalwork because

1093
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,280
you know metalwork facilities
are huge and expensive.

1094
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,720
So we've always had the
metalwork produced outside of

1095
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,080
our our physical building And so
that would be an easy next step

1096
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,560
to say right, OK, we'll get 100
pieces of this and 100 pieces of

1097
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,920
diamond front panel and so on.
And so these steps are slowly

1098
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,520
coming in.
So there will be I I would

1099
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,120
expect there's no great, it's
not how it has to be.

1100
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,800
But let's say I would be
surprised if in five years or

1101
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,480
seven years if most things were
not being built in a central

1102
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,960
factory that's capable.
Of building.

1103
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,800
It makes sense.
It makes sense.

1104
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,760
It's good for the cost, is good
for reliability.

1105
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,600
Well, it's such an.
Efficient manufacturing

1106
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,640
facility, you know, it's a large
efficient manufacturing

1107
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,360
facility.
They do a very good job

1108
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,880
manufacturing product and the
the actual construction of a

1109
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,640
product versus the sales and
support and everything else

1110
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,680
totally separate functions and
they don't have to be in the

1111
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,600
same facility in in my belief
anyways so.

1112
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,320
I think it's an absolute, it's
an absolute win to to separate

1113
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,640
because I think that's the
point.

1114
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,440
The point you've just made is
something this so often that

1115
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,880
almost I think people, I
remember somebody saying oh

1116
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,080
they're they're talking about
the merit, the Mercedes in the

1117
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,000
American market.
They said well you know

1118
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,080
Americans seeing the Mercedes
are built by like scientists in

1119
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:33,280
white coats, you know, together,
you know things are not hand

1120
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,320
crafted anymore.
When I started everything was

1121
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,040
you know, things were wired
together and sold it together

1122
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,560
with care and attention.
Now you have SMD machines and

1123
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,200
metal folding machines, you've
seen them.

1124
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,800
I mean the Roby facility is just
off the scale.

1125
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,120
It's it's an amazing and So what
it is it's about streamlining

1126
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,320
and getting things to a price
point because customers

1127
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,640
customers don't realize and
especially I, I quite often look

1128
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,240
at this and you think wow you
know what goes into that

1129
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,800
manufacturing wise it's it's
amazing that you get it for the

1130
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,120
money you do people bitch and
moan about it.

1131
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,480
But if it was built by companies
like you know myself or Roby or

1132
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,120
Martin or Revolight and probably
cost you 100,000.

1133
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:14,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

1134
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,760
But, but having said that, The
funny thing is like 2530 years

1135
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:28,040
ago when you were making, you
know, whatever consoles, QM5,

1136
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,040
hundreds.
Or whatever right like.

1137
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,960
Could you imagine 25 years from
then that you'd be selling

1138
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,800
lighting consoles for 80 or
$90,000?

1139
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Yes, Well, that's right, like I
mean.

1140
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,200
That just blows me away that
that the market is so.

1141
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,880
Strong.
At that price point.

1142
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,440
But I would also refer back to I
think that customers are getting

1143
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,240
great value for money.
And I'm not saying that there's

1144
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,760
a sales week like up in the
sales week for my life.

1145
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,080
Because if I look at those 28
grand consoles, apparently grand

1146
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,600
consoles back in the day, they
were still expensive.

1147
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,160
And somebody has shown me the
the devaluation of money,

1148
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,880
especially since they started
printing money like no tomorrow,

1149
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,080
your government, our government,
and we watch our money dissolve.

1150
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:16,920
And.
It's only year by year.

1151
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,880
So if you look, you know when
you see those graphs, let's say

1152
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,440
if you took £30,000 back in
1980.

1153
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,840
How much is that worth?
Today, yeah.

1154
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,200
Let's say it's worth probably
100 and 5200 grand.

1155
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,240
Yeah, it's a similar scale,
yeah.

1156
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,240
So I think.
I think things have dropped by

1157
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,880
like a. 3rd by the fact.
That we we used to hand build

1158
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,640
them and we and now they're
built you know my SMD machines

1159
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,080
robots and then engineers put
them together and test them and

1160
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,480
another one goes out the door.
So yes it is a shop that

1161
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,200
they're, you know whatever.
The price of a Porsche or a

1162
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,800
cheap Porsche.
Yeah, that's.

1163
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,040
You know what I mean?
The other.

1164
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,560
Thing What doesn't get?
Seen is the sorry is the

1165
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,240
software development and and
it's not a super exciting

1166
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,880
subject for a lot of people.
But I suppose when they get

1167
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,880
close to the company and it'll
be the same for MA, same for

1168
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,960
Camsys, same for us, you know is
that when you look at the real

1169
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,880
cost of the console, what they
people don't see because a lot

1170
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,120
of us in our industry,
especially rental company

1171
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,560
owners, they're guys who used to
build stuff, you'd build trust,

1172
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,400
build lights, you know, we're
all pretty hands on, we've all

1173
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,880
done, we're all quite sort of
handy.

1174
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,560
And so we look at the cost of
something and we sort of guess

1175
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,160
how much for PCBS, how much for
the processes, how much for the

1176
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,720
cables, how much put it
together.

1177
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,240
And then we still can't
understand like wow, you guys

1178
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,880
must be making a fortune on
this.

1179
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,600
You want, You want even?
Well, look at the $2,000,000

1180
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,800
software bill that has to get
amortized across the.

1181
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,080
Well, here's the thing, Steve.
It's funny because this is such

1182
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,320
a hilarious conversation,
because last week I had Michael

1183
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,080
Nevitt on, and Michael, of
course Flying Pig, and then the

1184
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,600
M series stuff from Martin.
And then a couple weeks ago I

1185
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,720
had Matthias and so on.
And you know, so a couple of

1186
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,600
console guys and both of them
said the same thing, which is

1187
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,640
when people are thinking of the
price of a console, they don't

1188
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,400
think that there's a lifetime of
software upgrades included in

1189
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,640
that.
And so when you start putting a

1190
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,560
price tag on those software
upgrades, you know, whereas some

1191
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,280
other industries or some other
types of businesses or whatever,

1192
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,320
they'll devalue the hardware.
But then charged 5000.

1193
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,520
Dollars every time you upgrade
the software, right?

1194
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,640
You know, like.
The licensing, Yeah, that's

1195
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,400
right.
The monthly license fee like for

1196
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,000
a DB or whatever.
You know, yeah.

1197
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,600
Exactly.
All that Adobe suite and so on.

1198
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,640
But when you look at what you're
paying over a lifetime, that's a

1199
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,280
really big number.
Of it was like, oh.

1200
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:46,960
Yeah, it only costs me $30.00 a
month.

1201
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,600
You're like well.
I remember every time we used to

1202
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,240
have to upgrade AutoCAD in one
of the companies I owned and I

1203
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,200
was shocked by how much they
charged to upgrade AutoCAD each

1204
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,880
time, like $10,000 or something.
I forget what it was, but it was

1205
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,280
a a sum of.
Money, right?

1206
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,080
And so again, you either pay the
price all in in that price of

1207
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,320
the console and then they're
pricing in you know 20 years or

1208
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,640
10 years of of updates or you?
Charge you can get.

1209
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,720
Transcript.
By that.

1210
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,680
That's right.
And you can see that.

1211
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,440
What is it?
Micro billing.

1212
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,080
I remember when that phrase came
out.

1213
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,360
What a great phrase.
I remember standing when I first

1214
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,840
heard that and I thought that as
a sale, as a commercial vehicle.

1215
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,160
That's an amazing concept.
It means that if you're buying

1216
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,440
like tracks on it, I think it
was to do with iTunes when they

1217
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,240
first started selling single
tracks on iTunes.

1218
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,920
Yeah, for 99.
Cents micro billing, exactly.

1219
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,120
Because.
Nobody minds spending $0.99,

1220
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,720
yeah?
Look at all the tracks.

1221
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,320
You own by $0.99 you know.
Yeah, I've got an iPod that can

1222
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,440
hold 10,000 songs.
Yeah.

1223
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,200
That's right.
Yeah.

1224
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,600
But it's it's like slowly drip,
drip, you know, drip bleeding

1225
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,640
you.
So yeah.

1226
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,640
And so you guys are.
You.

1227
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,400
Guys are console people saying
that.

1228
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,520
Other console people say that.
You guys are just charging

1229
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,240
$10,000 for the iPod?
Off the bat.

1230
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,480
And then you give them free,
free music.

1231
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,520
Just the music's free.
Yeah, 10,000 for the iPod, yeah,

1232
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,200
now and of.
Course there's a fixture

1233
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,440
support, but these are, you
know, not exciting subjects or

1234
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,040
transfer.
No, no it is.

1235
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,160
But you.
Imagine that every day there's

1236
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,800
new fixtures coming out, and not
only that, they used to come out

1237
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,440
with 30 or 50 channels.
Yeah, they're coming out with

1238
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,120
500 channels.
Maybe.

1239
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,880
Well, maybe 2 universes of
channels and somebody has to map

1240
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,920
those, figure out all of the
boundaries and we pay somebody

1241
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,040
to do that.
It's a full time job, you know,

1242
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,160
We pay someone to do that as a
surface and don't charge for it.

1243
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,960
It's, yeah, it's all going to be
paid for somewhere.

1244
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,240
You know you were.
And you know, it's going to

1245
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,640
sound like I'm just pumping you
up a little bit here.

1246
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,080
But you were a visionary when it
came to realizing that consoles

1247
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,920
were going to control a lot more
than just Parkins and a few

1248
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:03,400
moving lights.
You know, you were very early on

1249
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,320
the whole media server thing and
you know a light show being

1250
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,880
basically video nodes or or
pixels or whatever.

1251
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,800
Like you were really early on
that that?

1252
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,760
Sort of a lot.
Of attention to that.

1253
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,600
And I feel sort of quite
strongly about that.

1254
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,720
I have to say overall it's, it's
sort of a bit funny because, you

1255
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,680
know, I'd like to say, Oh yeah,
I saw that coming.

1256
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,640
The trouble is, I saw it coming
way too early.

1257
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,440
Yeah, remember back in 19?
90 exactly 1990.

1258
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,360
Nine and I gave a talk for my
distributors and say, hey, video

1259
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,760
lights are.
Coming and we need.

1260
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,280
To be ready, we need to be
integrating control of video

1261
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,240
servers, getting used to those
functionality, treating things

1262
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,080
as one homogeneous canvas, the
lighting rig, rather than

1263
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,040
separate fixtures like we did
with park hands back in the day.

1264
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,200
You know, because the moving
lights are really just an

1265
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,800
extension of, well, we've got a
really smart park hand now, so

1266
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,240
we'll treat it like that.
He's like, no, no, we need to be

1267
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,640
thinking about the whole picture
because I thought those video

1268
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,520
lights would be there very
quickly with their infinite

1269
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,200
zoom, infinite iris, super fast
iris, infinite gobos, and of

1270
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,000
course they just couldn't get
the output.

1271
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,400
High enough?
Yeah, and.

1272
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,560
Lights just got brighter and
brighter and brighter with the

1273
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,800
existing technology, which is
really like a go, but you know,

1274
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,000
like a thing in front of the
flashlight.

1275
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,240
Yeah, yeah.
They work really well.

1276
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,960
So and I'm still convinced that
the the projector lights,

1277
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,240
profile lights, projection
lights will go that way because

1278
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,400
the benefits are so huge.
But it probably needs another

1279
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,160
breakthrough like that Texas
Instrument chip that the the DLP

1280
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,120
projectors.
But what I would say, yeah, is

1281
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,720
just to carry on what you were
saying is that the wash lights

1282
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,680
became multi celled and so I
wasn't expecting that.

1283
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,400
I was expecting the projection
side to be like video but the

1284
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,880
multi celled fixtures, they have
just grown as everyone has seen

1285
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,960
and they're like little, they're
like little video panels.

1286
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,720
Right.
And so in the same way that

1287
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,840
we're really fixed on, we have
all the features that you'd

1288
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,720
expect in a console and all the
programming features, which I

1289
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,120
won't bore people with.
We were super happy to come up

1290
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,680
with keyframe shapes and we've
seen that in lots of other

1291
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,400
consoles now because it's a
really good way to work with

1292
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,000
with really complex fixtures.
But the synergy thing allows you

1293
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,600
just to dip in and out of video.
I think Seth Jacksons using it

1294
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,800
soon on The Doobie Brothers
thing and.

1295
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,240
Yeah, I just told us he's.
Gonna blow some people's minds

1296
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,720
on on how he's using it because
it's it's simple and it's a it's

1297
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,440
a way of getting dipping in and
getting the whole thing to look

1298
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,120
as one picture and I think that
really is important you know is

1299
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,800
this.
The thing that I remember you

1300
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:53,400
demonstrated in, I believe it
was Las Vegas in a a building

1301
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,480
that was off the Strip somewhere
and you had this sort of

1302
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,440
secretive demo and you had a rig
set up in there where you had

1303
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,680
like like old park hands or
something.

1304
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,200
And then you had strobe lights,
and then you had wash lights,

1305
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,760
and then you had.
Video like you mixed.

1306
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,520
A.
Bunch of different media.

1307
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,800
Together.
Basically, and they all operated

1308
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,600
as pixels in an image basically.
And it blew my mind.

1309
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,920
I I'll never forget seeing that.
I was like, what an amazing way

1310
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,560
to look at this, you know,
because.

1311
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:25,440
That's.
Exactly.

1312
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,280
Yeah, I mean, the lights became
an extension of the screen

1313
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,000
behind them or whatever, right?
As opposed to.

1314
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,040
Working exactly that, exactly
that, and the big message for me

1315
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,120
and the worry for a lot of
lighting people.

1316
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,000
Is that they say what are?
You trying to give away?

1317
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,240
Our control, you're trying to
give it away to the lighting

1318
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,600
department, to the video
department.

1319
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,800
I'm saying not at all, really
not at all.

1320
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,960
There's any of people are doing
what they do and they're doing

1321
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,560
more, you know, more and more
shows have really high level,

1322
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,480
beautiful video in them.
So they're there, they're not

1323
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,840
going away, and you're doing
your lighting things.

1324
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,800
But there are times where it'd
be really nice for you to be

1325
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,240
able to just synchronize.
And I do mean times.

1326
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,600
I mean like individual cues
within a show or one track

1327
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,960
within a show.
So for example, on Banco Left

1328
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,400
Field, which was doing arena
tours here recently, there was

1329
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,960
one point where it was really
fast dance music and the video

1330
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:21,240
was bursting out from the middle
of the screen and and flashing

1331
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,240
out with these sort of like
lightning points and all.

1332
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,200
I could see that all of the
strobes around the edge of the

1333
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,960
lighting rig were being
triggered by the points as they

1334
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,720
reached out.
Now, there's an interesting way

1335
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,040
you could ever program that you
you.

1336
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,800
If you wanted to program that,
you'd be in the studio for like

1337
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,279
2 months.
That's amazing.

1338
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,439
Whereas you could just say, hey,
pick up the video, when the

1339
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,399
video runs over that light,
trigger that light and boom is

1340
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,040
there.
It was so simple and it was just

1341
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,479
and you didn't quite know what
you were looking at it.

1342
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,399
Just.
Looked that like suddenly the

1343
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,520
video was in your face with the
strobes and it was cool.

1344
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,680
And then he uses, then he goes
back to using normal lighting

1345
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,319
cues.
You know, it's not like we're

1346
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:03,359
taking over your show.
We're just giving you another

1347
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,720
tool like, like the shape
generator was another tool, you

1348
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,640
know?
I mean, it was when I saw that

1349
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:14,359
demo.
And I'm not lighting designer,

1350
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,800
board operator, programmer,
nothing.

1351
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,200
I'm just a sales guy.
At the end of the day, you.

1352
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Know I'm a business guy and a.
Sales guy?

1353
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,720
No, but The thing is, I don't
know anything when it comes to

1354
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,479
like I'm not a technical guy.
However, I understand a lot of

1355
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,880
things because I'm very curious.
But when I looked at this, I was

1356
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,560
like you're smart guy that was
on the board, gave me a little

1357
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,880
speech and I was like, I have no
idea what the hell that guy just

1358
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,560
said.
Like I had no idea.

1359
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,319
But then he said let me show you
a little demo and he did the

1360
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,960
demo.
I got it immediately.

1361
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,560
Instantly I it just went Bing.
I was like, whoa, the lights and

1362
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,760
everything, strobes, all of this
different stuff going on is just

1363
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,400
an extension of that LED screen,
you know?

1364
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:01,720
That's all it is.
It's basically it all becomes

1365
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,160
one big image you.
Know thing that's right.

1366
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,040
Yeah, yeah.
And.

1367
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,320
Sometimes that's the right thing
to do, and sometimes it's great

1368
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,720
that they're both doing their
own thing.

1369
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,400
So it's not about taking power
away.

1370
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,560
It's just like, hey guys, here's
another cool trick he could do.

1371
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,760
Yeah, and isn't a nice thing for
you to do.

1372
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,600
Thank you.
Yeah, it's really cool.

1373
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,600
I'll tell you what, Marcel, one
of the extra side benefits,

1374
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,480
which I hadn't really thought
about in the beginning, but now

1375
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:27,880
that we're part of the Roby
group, there are a lot of people

1376
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,400
looking at us for the first
time.

1377
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,520
You know, if people say, Oh
yeah, it's no way though.

1378
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,640
You guys, you know, whatever,
you're everywhere now, whatever.

1379
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,600
I saw you in a lot of big
friends of houses or somebody

1380
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,440
else.
And so there's a lot of people

1381
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,240
looking at us almost for the
first time where people haven't

1382
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:46,400
looked at us for a long time.
And that that that awareness of

1383
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,560
synergy as well as some of the
other things like key frames

1384
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,160
that we we invented really are
just people are really like wow,

1385
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,360
I wasn't expecting that and
that's really cool.

1386
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,640
So because people say have
another look, you know?

1387
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:03,160
If you're 40 or younger, you
probably grew up on a Hog

1388
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:09,080
console and then transitioned
into a MA console and so you

1389
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,760
might have missed AVO all
together and and I get that.

1390
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,600
Like I completely get.
That and so.

1391
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,760
So they tie in with Roby.
But you know, like like me, I'm

1392
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,280
sure you you would probably
recognize or agree with this.

1393
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,320
It wasn't that long ago that it
was really taboo and scary for a

1394
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,400
lighting manufacturer to pair up
with a console company.

1395
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,840
Interesting, you know from.
A political standpoint and a

1396
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,400
commercial standpoint like, oh,
you're just going to make me buy

1397
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,120
your consoles now because I'm
buying your lights.

1398
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:46,640
And I would say for the most
part companies have behaved

1399
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,640
really well in that regard.
You know, beginning with

1400
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,800
probably Martin, I think was the
first one.

1401
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,280
Weren't they with?
This, the keeping are quite

1402
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,600
separate.
That's right.

1403
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,000
They kept it pretty separate
people when they took it

1404
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,840
completely under their wing.
And of course I mean the sales

1405
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,800
people of course are going to
you know I'm not talking about

1406
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,480
rugby but it's been you know
previous you know whatever

1407
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,440
relation and so on.
They're trying to sell their

1408
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:14,840
console with their lights and of
course I get that something that

1409
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,720
I think and I'm sure this will
be the way forward for Roby.

1410
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,280
You will see that they're kept
very separate.

1411
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,400
The brand identity people say is
the name going to change.

1412
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,560
No, we're still able lights,
we're doing our thing.

1413
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,200
We've got our own stuff, you
know.

1414
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,400
Such a strong brand.
That's right.

1415
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,320
Yeah.
And when you go to the website

1416
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,160
you you don't see, you know
they're kept in separate things.

1417
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,360
And I I think that really is the
way forward.

1418
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,640
And it and it was important for
all of us because we need to

1419
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,080
keep our relationship with all
the different movie light

1420
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,480
manufacturers and they need to
keep their relationship open

1421
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:50,120
with all of the designers and
the designers choose what they

1422
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,200
want to choose.
And so, yeah, as you say,

1423
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,960
everyone has played really
fairly and I think I'm convinced

1424
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,160
from what I've seen, Roby are
going to play most fairly of.

1425
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,760
All, yeah.
You had you had high end and and

1426
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:07,320
Flying Pig and you had obviously
you know and then ETC and Flying

1427
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:12,960
pig and and ET C's own own
consoles as well and ACT and and

1428
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,680
Airton and MA and you know
there's been a lot of these sort

1429
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,440
of partnerships and stuff camps
is with with Shimano.

1430
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:22,680
Yeah, that's.
Right.

1431
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:27,960
So it's almost like it's shifted
from taboo to have a console and

1432
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,800
and lighting manufactured
together to it's the norm now

1433
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,440
all.
Of the new.

1434
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,360
Manufacturers have have a.
Console company It's almost.

1435
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,200
Like you have to.
So.

1436
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,720
It's an interesting thing.
It'll be interesting as it moves

1437
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,920
forward as well, I think,
because one side is, as you say,

1438
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,760
keeping it playing, playing fair
and playing well like you just

1439
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,520
said.
But as fixtures get more and

1440
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,600
more complex, I I think it's
going to be quite interesting to

1441
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,160
see what happens because there
will be a point I think where we

1442
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,800
control everyone's fixtures on
the level playing field.

1443
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,200
But because you're inherently
tied up, you know, and working

1444
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,000
closely with the R&D department
of of someone of your parents

1445
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:12,840
and they come up with something
really technologically advanced,

1446
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,440
you would expect that those
consoles that are owned by the

1447
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:22,440
parent to have a better a Sonia
head start, not intentional head

1448
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:24,960
start because everyone gets the
data and so on.

1449
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,720
But you'd know it's.
Coming you'd you'd you'd be

1450
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,120
having those conversations about
Wow, where could we take this,

1451
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,400
how could we use that
functionality of that new

1452
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,040
fixture, So I think.
That's a good point.

1453
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,000
Imagine that if we rolled the
clock forward 10 years, it might

1454
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,640
be different.
Like we say, well we're trying

1455
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,960
to consider with everyone, but
we just inherently can control

1456
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,040
this better than anyone else
because.

1457
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,520
That's gonna be interesting
where that goes.

1458
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,320
You're you're right.
That's such a great point

1459
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:51,440
because.
Well, and I.

1460
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,480
I don't know.
Like I I keep, I ask so many

1461
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:59,080
questions on this podcast of
people who are, you know, 80,000

1462
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:04,040
times smarter than I am because
I'm trying to always understand

1463
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,560
where it's going.
And the older we get, it's, you

1464
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,920
know, we we lose sight of that
sometimes because young people,

1465
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,000
you know, will tell you exactly
what you need to be investing in

1466
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,560
on, you know, social media
platforms or anything else.

1467
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,320
Like, I'll I'll always ask my
son, you know what's popular now

1468
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,760
and he'll tell me me and he'll
be like that.

1469
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,840
Facebook's for old people, you
know and.

1470
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,480
But.
But The thing is, you know, I

1471
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:38,600
think that there's something
like AI and robotics are really

1472
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:43,080
going to change what everything
looks like in the future.

1473
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,120
And exactly how is that going to
change?

1474
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,920
And you know, like, I'd love to
hear your take on this, because

1475
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:55,840
I know you've drank the blood of
weird frogs and eaten plants and

1476
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,000
stuff that aren't meant to be
eaten, and you've had a lot of

1477
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,960
time to think about stuff, let's
say, I could deny.

1478
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,320
Everything.
And when it comes to the frogs,

1479
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,360
that was completely legal.
I just want to make that really

1480
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,160
clear.
But it's true, They.

1481
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,000
Wanted to be eaten.
Yeah, No.

1482
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,640
Apparently they.
Strength the frogs as well, I'm

1483
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,800
told They stroke the frog,
saying maybe it's good marketing

1484
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,880
and I'm sure there's some people
not stroking the frogs, but the

1485
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,880
frogs live and they secrete
their poison and.

1486
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,160
And then they burn.
It into your skin to make you

1487
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,280
really sick.
But hey, why not Remember that?

1488
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,960
Remember that I was.
Like I know.

1489
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,480
I was like, Stephen, what are
you doing?

1490
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,600
What the hell are you doing to?
Yourself.

1491
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,000
My wife will do anything if
she's considered.

1492
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,920
If she believes it, make me more
healthy.

1493
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:39,280
What's supposed to help?
Your children always talks about

1494
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,720
DHT or something or.
Oh.

1495
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,520
That's a different, those are
sort of, I think DMT probably.

1496
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,000
DMT.
DMT.

1497
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,640
Yes, yeah.
Yeah, have you?

1498
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,400
Ever tried that one?
Because that's supposed to be

1499
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,920
like AI.
Think we're being recorded?

1500
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,320
I have no idea what you're
talking about.

1501
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,520
I've never heard about
something.

1502
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:56,320
No.
But.

1503
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,760
You know, it's almost like you
have to try it at some point

1504
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,160
because it's it's supposed to be
this like wacky, out of body

1505
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,440
experience where you come back
and you remember everything that

1506
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:10,280
you just experienced and you can
confirm nor deny.

1507
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,560
It doesn't matter.
Well.

1508
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,360
I mean if I had a friend, if I
had a friend who had shrine it,

1509
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,000
then you would have told me that
yeah, it's like a complete out

1510
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:22,040
of body 3 dimensional
experience, being somewhere that

1511
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,920
has no physical form but being
able to jump back to the real

1512
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,920
reality and then return to that.
We have a very.

1513
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,360
Old place said.
Memory of it and stuff too,

1514
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:31,960
right?
Like I tell.

1515
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,560
You what's really interesting,
and I think America's really

1516
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:40,720
leading the way on this, is
psychotropics with mental with

1517
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,880
depression.
I have AI have a friend through

1518
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,760
the yoga connection who is
studying at a degree level the

1519
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,760
use of psilocybin with
depression.

1520
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,440
He's a therapist, went to the
same school as Prince Charles.

1521
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:58,480
He's a particularly very, very
posh chap, super educated.

1522
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,360
And it's been so nice this year.
So interested to hear about me,

1523
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,200
you know, 'cause I have a
connection to some rock'n'roll

1524
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,720
people that, yeah, the dark bit
more dubious.

1525
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,480
I'd like, yeah.
So yeah.

1526
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,960
But is it great to?
Hear that, people?

1527
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,560
Getting off prescription meds
for years and years and years,

1528
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,440
you know, taking.
Natural therapies.

1529
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,480
That's right.
And things that actually can can

1530
01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:21,760
fix you rather than just keep
you subdued.

1531
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,240
And you know it's funny because
more open minded as you say

1532
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,080
about things like DMT or
psilocybin or any of those

1533
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:29,880
things.
People I'm I.

1534
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:31,920
Was a young.
Young musician.

1535
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,320
Young musician.
Grew up in Western Canada and

1536
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,320
you know, the friends would just
say, hey, you go over there to

1537
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,480
that field and you just, you
pick up cow shit until you find

1538
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,920
these particular looking
mushrooms.

1539
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,800
And you know, so of course
everyone did them back then and

1540
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:54,040
I did and but never since.
And and now I'm hearing very

1541
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:59,320
smart people, extremely smart,
straight and narrow people.

1542
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,280
Like.
These aren't druggies in, you

1543
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,400
know, they're more like the guy
in the lab coat than than people

1544
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,840
in like, you know, you know,
long.

1545
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,640
Hair ponytail.
They're not hitting Afghan

1546
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,760
coats, exactly.
Yeah, exactly.

1547
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,680
So you know, but especially
micro dosing, like the whole

1548
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,560
mushroom micro dosing thing is a
big deal right now too.

1549
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,240
So But anyways, where I was
going with all of.

1550
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:30,400
This was if.
We go back to the console.

1551
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:36,840
You know, I'm always curious
when I talk to console control

1552
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:43,000
companies of any kind on when do
we see AI coming into consoles

1553
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,040
and how do we see AI coming into
consoles.

1554
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:50,120
Because you could do it today
and and you know, you could take

1555
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,640
away repetitive lines of code
and all the, like you said,

1556
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,920
people didn't get into this
business to be coders.

1557
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,080
You know, they got into it
because they're creative and

1558
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,160
they want to create things.
And so AI can very easily today,

1559
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,920
you know, without waiting for
new technology or anything,

1560
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,080
using GPT 4 or a number of other
methods.

1561
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,240
You could remove all of those
lines of code and have it do it

1562
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,240
for you.
And so that would be sort of

1563
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,400
call it the easy step because no
designers or lighting people are

1564
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,000
gonna get pissed off because
console companies have made

1565
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,360
their job a little bit easier.
But what happens when you start

1566
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,920
getting into the stuff where
your borderline stepping beyond

1567
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,720
that lighting programmer or
operator and you're saying make

1568
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:41,600
this desk or create a look that
looks like Peter Morse on

1569
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:46,840
Michael Jackson in 1999 or 2000
or whatever year it was?

1570
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,320
Yeah, yeah, using blah, blah,
blah.

1571
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,560
And you know, boom, all of a
sudden you've got this look that

1572
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:59,000
looks just like that, right?
Things like that are doable.

1573
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:04,760
And so I'm just wondering, how
does AI in your vision make it's

1574
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:09,720
way into lighting consoles?
And and I think it there's a lot

1575
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,600
of what you're saying I think on
the right track #1 to me without

1576
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,960
answering the question initially
is it's such a difficult

1577
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,800
question because I can say I
remember and it was a festival

1578
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,280
maybe two years ago and I
remember where I was standing

1579
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:30,440
when a really competent young
programmer designer running a

1580
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:33,160
stage and and you've done a
beautiful job with the stage and

1581
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,000
what have you.
And he said, Oh my God I I made

1582
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,360
such an effort to get into this
industry just at the time when

1583
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,040
my job's going to be replaced
with AI and it said Shiplestown,

1584
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,040
my back.
You know I was like oh shit he's

1585
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,560
really young and he's worried
about this and I can see why

1586
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,160
because I couldn't turn around
and say that's never going to

1587
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,200
happen.
You're like.

1588
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,160
Oh, wow.
There is.

1589
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:59,000
There is stuff.
About say for example, like club

1590
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,000
operation, let's take it.
Yeah, good nightclub operation.

1591
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,000
It's great when you have a good
nightclub operator, but of

1592
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,480
course the operator of the club
is very keen to spend as little

1593
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,200
money as possible, You know
that.

1594
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,080
And they're like and they're
looking at every overhead and

1595
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,440
every personality have to.
So you've got a situation where

1596
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,800
where there are people trying to
push those people out of the job

1597
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,960
they have.
Hopefully they recognize that

1598
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,360
when they have a good operator
that brings people to their club

1599
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,520
and adds to the vibe, but they
don't quite understand why.

1600
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,360
But you know, there's still
operators in those clubs.

1601
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,720
And I suppose what I worry is
that you start thinking those

1602
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,800
situations where it will read
different types of music and

1603
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,440
output, you know, different
scenes that I remember.

1604
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,840
As I say.
But you know, even on Sound to

1605
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,600
Light, I remember having a
really clever.

1606
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,720
Operator.
Saying Steve, this is what you

1607
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,720
do with the base channel and
this is what you do with the mid

1608
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,360
range and this is what you do
with the treble.

1609
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,200
And he'd already sort of
analysed it and he was laughing

1610
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,080
with me but he wasn't touching
the desk.

1611
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,160
He we were leaning back from
front of house having a hug at

1612
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,880
Glastonbury and he was doing
this great live show and he

1613
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,640
wasn't touching and you're like
fuck when he he's on average for

1614
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,840
it.
It was a moment and as you say,

1615
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,720
AI is going to take that to the
next step now.

1616
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,400
So that's the worrying part of
it.

1617
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,640
However, I also listen to many
people talk about AI.

1618
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,760
You know, AI and say, look, you
know, human beings have been

1619
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,760
through so many steps with
industrialization, and at each

1620
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,640
step we've been scared and
worried.

1621
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,680
And at each step it's required
more people.

1622
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,600
It's created more jobs, more
productivity, more wealth,

1623
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,000
better standards of living.
Now, yes, that's all true, but I

1624
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,600
could imagine a young person
going.

1625
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,920
Well, that's all right for you,
old guy.

1626
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:51,160
But this is different to you
know, Chloe cloth looms you.

1627
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,280
Know this is all.
About it doesn't printing

1628
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,560
presses.
This is about a thinking

1629
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,920
machine, a real thinking
machine.

1630
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,480
So, so I don't be patronizing
and so don't worry about it.

1631
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,920
You know, human race has been
through that before, but I do

1632
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,840
believe in my heart, and I
really do, that.

1633
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,120
We just integrate new creative
tools.

1634
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,040
So there's a lot of stuff I
suppose.

1635
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,760
I imagine one of the things I've
talked about and I've sort of

1636
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,120
imagined for a long time is, you
know, if you took a huge array

1637
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,800
of of moving lines, you know,
lots and lots of moving lights

1638
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,080
like pixels, we can sort of do
this now with Synergy.

1639
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,880
We can obviously run the color
across it and you know we put

1640
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,360
this video, but I would like to
see those lights opening up like

1641
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,680
a Rosebud Petals, you know, so
they're all overlapping and

1642
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,520
they're doing like the organic
movement, not straight lines

1643
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,480
opening up.
So you have really complex with

1644
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,360
you know each 5 fixtures doing a
little organic shape but opening

1645
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,760
up the same way that a Rosebud
opens up in fast, you know stop

1646
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:54,240
motion photography and and
something like that is still a

1647
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,080
bitch to control.
We can create that now.

1648
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,040
Hey, if there's anybody out
there who wants to do that, we

1649
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,680
can do that with Synergy and
I'll tell you how, but it's

1650
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,880
still a beast to control.
You're talking about hundreds

1651
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,240
and hundreds of fixtures by
hundreds of channels.

1652
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:13,880
It's a, you know, mammoth task.
And so things like that, I think

1653
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,680
AI are going to make into a
doddle.

1654
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,160
Let's say hang on, look.
I think my wife is not really

1655
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,280
loud.
She's wondering why she can't

1656
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,680
get into the house.
We're.

1657
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:25,440
I could be.
Problematic.

1658
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:28,840
Why?
I just want to come and say

1659
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,240
hello.
Maybe.

1660
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,000
Maybe.
Let's talk to her for 30 minutes

1661
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,040
now instead of you.
I'm bored of you already, Steve.

1662
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:41,440
I know I've got a bicycle in
front of the plate.

1663
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,320
My mountain bike is here,
getting a bit of.

1664
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,200
Work.
No, I want to speak to you.

1665
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,480
What have you got?
Say hello.

1666
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:50,600
You know, you're the one who
came back early.

1667
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,720
Hey, Marcel is.
Carolina, Hello.

1668
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:58,000
How are you?
Oh, she can't hear me.

1669
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,640
Because I'm in your ears, yeah.
So this is the crazy big crime

1670
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,600
yoga teacher who has got me to
this crazy country and we're.

1671
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,280
Going to build a A.
Studio and all sorts of yoga

1672
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:12,160
space.
She's up there.

1673
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,360
She can't hear those, Steve,
because I'm in your ears.

1674
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,440
You.
Are in the areas.

1675
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,240
Yeah, Yeah.
So she can't.

1676
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,640
We might have to send.
You guys, back to the park or a

1677
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,320
restaurant?
Here somewhere.

1678
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:24,800
Yeah, come.
You can come and give a wave,

1679
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,880
but they won't be able to hear
you because I'm on headphones.

1680
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,320
This is my DOP friend I was
telling you about.

1681
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,120
It's fun to visit.
It is.

1682
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,600
Video, I thought I.
Thought this was an audio course

1683
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,080
and hello everyone out there in
TV Land, so I show you.

1684
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,120
Guys A.
Bitch.

1685
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:42,960
It.
It wouldn't be a.

1686
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:46,240
It wouldn't be a podcast with
Steve Warren if there wasn't a

1687
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:47,800
party going on in the
background.

1688
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,440
She likes a goddess, she likes a
guy.

1689
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,760
So come back bang on time.
She's Colombian.

1690
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,440
She's never on time.
That's funny.

1691
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,320
Yeah, we'll be done right
around.

1692
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:03,920
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1693
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,160
Just when you don't want her to
show up on time, right?

1694
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,480
Yeah, so.
We have taken lateness to

1695
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,240
another level, but that's
another story.

1696
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,080
It's all good.
Yeah, but you're you're working

1697
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,320
a day, a week now, so it's all
good.

1698
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,560
And I'm sure yoga teachers, you
know, as busy as she might be,

1699
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,840
the world isn't going.
My yoga teacher's 5 minutes

1700
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,720
late.
You know, maybe in Miami, but.

1701
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,080
Not so much.
Important.

1702
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,000
Yeah, that's right.
Everything is late here.

1703
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,920
And it's great because.
We've all, you know, you like

1704
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,640
us, like many people out there
listening.

1705
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,600
We're not the healthiest in
industries at times.

1706
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,960
You know.
Yes, whatever.

1707
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,320
You used to drink too much.
Not crazy, too much, but too

1708
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:48,000
much too much times and used to
smoke analogy, whatever.

1709
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,960
Yes.
And it's all bad.

1710
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,400
So it's been great.
But many of us are looking at,

1711
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,480
you know, hey we want to be here
for a lot longer.

1712
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:59,320
And for example and it's great.
We see a lot of young people,

1713
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:01,640
you know, also doing a lot
better than we did.

1714
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,760
So the yoga is.
Equally on a.

1715
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,320
Even keel.
I listen to so many different

1716
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,040
like longevity podcasts now and
stuff.

1717
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:14,040
And you know, it's just, it's
just about not not trying to

1718
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:18,120
live to 150, but certainly
trying to live healthy until

1719
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:19,400
whatever age that is.
Yes.

1720
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,200
So if I if I'm gonna die at 80,
I wanna be healthy all the way

1721
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,640
up to 70.
Nine point. 8 fives.

1722
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,480
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I want to be sick for a

1723
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:29,920
week and then die.
That's it.

1724
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,600
You know, I don't want to, I
don't want to be sick for five

1725
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,920
years or in in a dementia
hospital or something, you know?

1726
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,880
Not being able to run around,
but being able to, yeah, walk

1727
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,720
and yeah, whatever, don't.
Be successful as you do.

1728
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,320
Exactly that, yeah.
Sometimes people.

1729
01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:46,200
Go what you're way too old to
that.

1730
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,120
You like?
I don't even think.

1731
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,400
About it I just.
Turn off that part of my brain

1732
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,280
and I get raving with the rest
of them, and that's awesome.

1733
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,080
I love that.
The great thing about being old

1734
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,440
is I just tell myself, hey, they
probably think that, you know,

1735
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,520
it's your festival, like you own
the place, just walk around like

1736
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:01,360
you own the place.
So yeah.

1737
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,560
You know.
You must be.

1738
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,880
That's always worked for me.
It does.

1739
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,600
We look like the promoter just.
Yeah, yeah.

1740
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:12,160
I remember one time, one time in
Vegas for an LDI show, Peter

1741
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,960
Morse had Reba McEntire at the
arena down the street.

1742
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,400
And I know it was in Reno.
It wasn't in Vegas.

1743
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,120
It was in Reno.
Yeah, and.

1744
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,440
And I was working for Martin at
the time, and this is how long

1745
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:30,280
ago this story was.
But I I went and Peter was

1746
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,760
supposed to leave passes for me
and another, I don't know, one

1747
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,360
or two people or something.
And something happened as it

1748
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,080
always does.
And the passes weren't there.

1749
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,240
And I said, well, let's just go
walk in through the back.

1750
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,960
And they're like, what?
And I said, yeah, come on, let's

1751
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,520
go.
And we had our, our laminates

1752
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,400
from the trade show we're on
around our necks.

1753
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,600
And so we go to walk in the back
and the guy, the security guy

1754
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,600
goes, hey, excuse me.
Who are you with?

1755
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,200
And I said Martin and he goes,
OK, come on in.

1756
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,040
So like, four of us just went
walking right in the back door

1757
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,680
of the venue and.
It was.

1758
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,560
Hilarious though it was.
Just so fun.

1759
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,280
It's just a look on your face,
isn't it?

1760
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,160
That's it.
Look like you're supposed to be

1761
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,600
there.
Exactly.

1762
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,480
So often.
So exactly.

1763
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,680
Well, now, now they scan you,
You know, like now you're just

1764
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,240
being tracked and scanned and
stuff, so you can't get away

1765
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,240
with as many things.
That's what I was saying, you

1766
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,240
know, because I was saying that,
hey, you can imagine that in a

1767
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,960
few years time, you know what?
I start, one of the things I

1768
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:31,280
stay away from is is or I tell
people, I I find myself with a

1769
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,520
lot of older people and quite
often they're saying, oh,

1770
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,120
Glastonbury, it's not like it
was 20 years ago.

1771
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:37,480
It's not like it was 30 years
ago.

1772
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:39,400
The industry is not like it was
20 years ago.

1773
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,080
Hey, guess what?
Nothing's like it was. 20.

1774
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,000
Years no you.
Know Life changes, you know, and

1775
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,880
you got to still find the party,
find the good people to hang out

1776
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,320
with, find the right places to
be.

1777
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,840
There's always the good place to
be.

1778
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,520
You just need to keep up with
it.

1779
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,760
And if you're hanging around
backstage bitching that things

1780
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,040
aren't the way the way they
were, you're probably not at the

1781
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,000
right place.
And we all there, we all do it.

1782
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,080
At some point of our life, we
all sit around saying, jeez, you

1783
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,840
know, 20 years ago it wasn't
like this, but it doesn't

1784
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,280
matter.
Now it is.

1785
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,120
Guess what?
Yeah, exactly.

1786
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,280
Find the cool places.
Find the place to be.

1787
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,360
And that's the view.
That's my view on all this AI

1788
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:19,560
stuff, Steve.
It has been just exactly that.

1789
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,880
Like the bus is coming.
You either get on it or you get

1790
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,240
run over by it, but it's coming
you, you can't stop it.

1791
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,360
AI is not going to stop.
You can't just, you know, some

1792
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,320
people are saying there need to
be laws and legislation around.

1793
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,960
The arts.
Protecting the arts and do you

1794
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:39,160
know Glenn from AED?
Yes, very well, yeah.

1795
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,280
He stayed in my house for quite
a while.

1796
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,280
I helped him find the property
in the UK.

1797
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:44,720
We've yeah, we've found out a
lot.

1798
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,720
Well, it's funny.
He did a He did a podcast with

1799
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,200
me a few weeks ago and he was in
Portugal, I remember.

1800
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,000
Yeah.
So he must have a place.

1801
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,200
Not far from you too.
Right, but he's a talk.

1802
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,640
With him again, I used to date
him one of his wife's friends.

1803
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:57,880
So, yeah, so.
Really.

1804
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,840
He's such a great guy.
But we talked about AI and you

1805
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:07,040
know, he has a a movie studio,
ATV studio, and and I said does

1806
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,200
that make you nervous at all?
And he said, you know, not

1807
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,480
really.
You know, there's always going

1808
01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:14,960
to be a need for for studios to
film in or whatever.

1809
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:22,240
And he said the problem with AI
in movies is yes, AI is able to

1810
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:26,680
take movies all to a very high
level and everything's just

1811
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,920
gonna go like this.
Every movie will be like this,

1812
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,040
right?
And then it's gonna plateau.

1813
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:35,080
Everything will be the same.
Everything will be an 8.5, for

1814
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,600
example.
They'll all be exactly the same.

1815
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,800
There's no nuance, there's no
differences between any of them.

1816
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,240
Everything's at the same level.
And it was an interesting point,

1817
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:45,880
like I had never looked at it
like that.

1818
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,320
You know, I think some movies
are great because of their

1819
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,360
flaws.
Some lighting designs are great

1820
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,560
because of their flaws, or
because of nuance, or because of

1821
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,360
attitude from whoever's
programming it or whatever.

1822
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,400
If we just wanted perfect
lighting designs, you would just

1823
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,640
go out and go.
I like that Roy Bennett show

1824
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,240
right there.
Let's just make everything look

1825
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:07,080
like.
Recreative.

1826
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:08,800
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, that's not going

1827
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,040
to work, you know, so.
And I.

1828
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,720
See your point about you know,
the bus is coming.

1829
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,560
You're right.
And sadly, there will be some

1830
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,840
people who get run over.
I don't like to say that, yeah,

1831
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,360
you're right.
Especially the ones who sort of

1832
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,760
resist and the ones who say,
actually, no, I want to learn

1833
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,440
how these programming tools are
getting healthy because this

1834
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:30,440
could take me to another level,
and I think so.

1835
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,440
It's almost like everything is
true.

1836
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:34,720
When some people say, oh, it's
it's all gonna be bad.

1837
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,960
Yeah, there's gonna be some bad
things because with every change

1838
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,200
there's winners and.
Losers.

1839
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,520
As you see, but there's no doubt
that the level of creativity is

1840
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,840
going to get accelerated so.
For me, it already has.

1841
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,400
Like for me, I've been able to
become more creative.

1842
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,160
I've been able to put out more
content.

1843
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:57,360
I've been able to like within
these few hours I have per day

1844
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,800
to get away from my normal job
and do these other creative

1845
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,520
things.
I've managed to stuff a lot more

1846
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,200
into that because of AI and
because of AI tools that are out

1847
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,280
there and available.
And I love that, you know, so

1848
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:15,640
for me, it's been a really great
relationship so far with AI.

1849
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:20,040
You know, like I know there's
big famous podcasters out there

1850
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,840
who are concerned that there's
going to be no market for

1851
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,080
content because AI will just
produce content.

1852
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,320
And, you know, you could go out
and say, like I said this to to

1853
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:35,320
Glenn, You know, we could have
Godfather five or six or seven

1854
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,440
with Marlon Brando in it, you
know, why not, right.

1855
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:42,400
Why not?
You could have Michael Jackson.

1856
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,920
You could have new Michael
Jackson music and music videos

1857
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,280
and stuff by whoever owns
Michael Jacksons.

1858
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,760
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean.

1859
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,120
So who knows what's going to
happen?

1860
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,840
Who knows?
What's going to happen, it

1861
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:59,520
seems?
Exciting.

1862
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,760
I feel it's a super exciting
time.

1863
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,640
Obviously we're in a privileged
position because we're of a

1864
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,840
certain age where we're not
having.

1865
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,560
To worry about our career.
Development in like 10:10, 20-30

1866
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:14,560
years.
So I can see why that young

1867
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,200
lighting design, we're not going
to see him again.

1868
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,920
He's running a stage at
Glastonbury and and you know,

1869
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,840
whatever.
And I I can see he's doing well

1870
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,360
in his career.
So I'm really pleased.

1871
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,720
But I can see why he and people
like him are are concerned.

1872
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,680
But it's a case of, yeah, it's a
case of accepting.

1873
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,280
It's a case of using it and
wanting to use it.

1874
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,840
And it's like there was so many
things.

1875
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:38,680
I've had this with the trying to
introduce lighting people to

1876
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,160
sort of video techniques and
it's not about I want.

1877
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,560
I'm trying to teach you to be a
video engineer or I'm trying to

1878
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,320
replace anyone's job.
I've had video people accuse me

1879
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,320
of that which hurts.
It's in more a case of no, I

1880
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:52,440
want the lighting guy to
understand what you do so that

1881
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:56,560
he can you know encourage more.
The more use of video within

1882
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,520
your show.
It's going to grow and they're

1883
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,120
going to be people who grow with
it and they're people who resist

1884
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,800
it and they're they get left by
the wayside, you know, and.

1885
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,440
So.
Well, I'd like to.

1886
01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:09,680
It's not difficult tourism.
There's always two sides of

1887
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,240
this.
You know, it's it's you know it.

1888
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,840
It's all change is good, change
is bad.

1889
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:20,800
You know and and you know, I've
known people on both sides of

1890
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,680
that and I've always preferred
change is good.

1891
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,360
You know, for myself like change
is good.

1892
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,800
You just have to find your place
in that change and and

1893
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,480
constantly be evolving and
constantly be upskilling and you

1894
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,920
know, and this was always you
know, because you were on a lot

1895
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,520
of our zoom calls and stuff.
It was always my messaging

1896
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,920
during the whole pandemic.
You know it's going to be

1897
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,400
different and just position
yourself well for the change to

1898
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:48,040
come.
Out of it.

1899
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,560
It's come out of it.
Well, yeah.

1900
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,520
That's right.
And so many people did, you

1901
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:53,600
know.
Yeah, thank goodness.

1902
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:54,880
I'm not.
Sure, and most people.

1903
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,800
Reposition themselves in a lot
of different ways, not just

1904
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,440
their careers, but their life.
You know, whatever, whether they

1905
01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:03,360
move, move country, move career,
you know, they spent more time

1906
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,440
with family, whatever, you know,
got out relationships.

1907
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:08,880
It didn't work.
You know, there, it's funny,

1908
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,960
there were a lot of, there were
a lot of Silver Linings in those

1909
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,240
clouds.
There were certain some big

1910
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,600
clouds somewhere.
You did an amazing job.

1911
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,040
You're on the team there in
terms of keeping people's

1912
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,600
spirits, tires.
Yeah.

1913
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,880
Well, you kept people connected.
You kept them on the purpose.

1914
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:23,480
It was great.
And it was really.

1915
01:37:23,480 --> 01:37:25,240
You know what?
That was important because,

1916
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,200
again, you had people who were
completely freaked out by this.

1917
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,800
And then you had some people
like me that took this as an

1918
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:38,080
opportunity to exhale for a
moment, you know, and to kind of

1919
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,800
look around and go, OK, what's
this world all about and stuff

1920
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,360
and to reconnect with a lot of
people.

1921
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:46,000
And I got to say, I thoroughly
enjoyed a lot of that stuff.

1922
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,840
Like I, I, I look at COVID as
having been good for our

1923
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,920
industry, not just because we're
so big and there's a lot of

1924
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,360
wealthy companies and stuff, but
I mean, there's still a lot of

1925
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,560
people who look back and say my
life was ruined by COVID and all

1926
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,120
this stuff.
You know, then you missed an

1927
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:04,400
opportunity.
I'm sorry.

1928
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,440
Like there were a lot of
opportunities in COVID and

1929
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,040
certainly you know, there are
some businesses that just got

1930
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,840
crushed by it because they had
debt.

1931
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,880
I mean, just as they're, as they
say, yeah, with every change,

1932
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,240
their stories that, you know,
I'm not whatever no one would

1933
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:19,480
say.
I'm sure you're not saying that.

1934
01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:21,120
Whatever.
You know, they should all done

1935
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:22,400
better.
There were some people.

1936
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,560
That's in wrong place, wrong
time you think.

1937
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,000
That's.
Just not fair.

1938
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,400
That's so not fair.
And the way the whole thing was

1939
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,520
run and it's, you know, you
know, whatever.

1940
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,160
I have a lot of issues with the
way it was run.

1941
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,680
But as you say, there were other
people who said, right, well, it

1942
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,800
is what it is and how am I going
to make a best of a bad

1943
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,360
situation?
And so often life is like that,

1944
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,160
isn't it?
You know?

1945
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,880
Yeah, totally true.
Yeah, I'm so.

1946
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,240
Married to a very positive
person and.

1947
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:50,720
I have to.
Say I was having a bit of a

1948
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,160
wobble yesterday like, this is
wrong and this is not going

1949
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:54,720
right.
And she's like, look at your

1950
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,760
life.
Look at, not look at, the life

1951
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:58,480
you.
Had look at what you're doing

1952
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:00,040
now you're in Portugal.
You're doing this.

1953
01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:02,600
You're like, yeah, she's right.
I mean.

1954
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:08,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And sometimes we all need.

1955
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,680
Conversation, quite.
Often, we all need.

1956
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,320
That, yeah, I'm not.
Sure.

1957
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,120
It's so perspective, isn't it?
Yeah.

1958
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:18,360
Yeah, yeah.
Do you, are you seeing us in

1959
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:22,200
sort of an innovation lull in
this industry right now or do

1960
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,280
you think we're in a good place?
Wow, Isn't that an interesting

1961
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,360
question?
That's that's a tough question.

1962
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,840
Because you know what?
I don't know if I'm like you

1963
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,640
said, I don't know if I'm right
in a position in any authority

1964
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,440
to answer that.
There was a time where I would

1965
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:39,480
have felt, yeah, I'm right on
the money in terms of new

1966
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:41,920
fixtures.
You know, I try and keep up.

1967
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:43,800
I see some of the new stuff
coming out.

1968
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,000
But I do think.
There's a lot of polishing of

1969
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,960
existing technologies.
You know, there's interesting

1970
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:55,280
new things, you know, and it's
whatever you see new products

1971
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,760
come out and sometimes they're
really successful and then they

1972
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,560
bring out a new version of that,
you know, and you think.

1973
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:02,560
What else?
Are they good?

1974
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,400
To do with it, what they've
normally done is made more pixel

1975
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,280
mappable cells.
Where you had some, maybe I had

1976
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,720
nine before and now you've got
50 pixel mappable cells and you

1977
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,480
can certainly do all the colors
they did before, but it is

1978
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:18,240
really just sort of step
stepping up what was there

1979
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:21,560
before.
And I think for me, I'm still

1980
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,760
waiting for that moment and it's
to me frustrating that you've

1981
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,640
had to wait 24 years because
what we need is a super high

1982
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,680
power projector light, you know,
we need something that does have

1983
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,720
infinite gobo, that does have
infinite iris and zoom.

1984
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:40,320
And without an incredibly small
and the the plasma, you know,

1985
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,800
this plasma bowls almost made
it, but never quite.

1986
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,760
It was a point source and
incredibly bright and incredibly

1987
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,040
white, but it just couldn't get
it stable.

1988
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,120
You know, lots of reasons and
people, and I know people who

1989
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,920
claim they've got it working and
they look up anyway, let's see

1990
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:56,440
what happens.
But if they?

1991
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,000
Came out.
That's good.

1992
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:00,280
Yes, yes.
That's right.

1993
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,640
So I don't want to be unfair
about that.

1994
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,200
So I think I guess it's a very
good point.

1995
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,440
But so, but here's the.
Thing that I think went wrong

1996
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:11,400
the first time around with those
video lights is I think it was a

1997
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,080
projector that tried to be a
light and what we need.

1998
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,280
Is a light that.
What we need is a light that's

1999
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:20,040
got some projector technology in
it, but it's a light, you know

2000
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,280
it's a light.
And because all these square

2001
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,320
moving projectors on a yoke.
Just.

2002
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,440
They just never really.
They never.

2003
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:27,840
Work.
Yeah, that's right.

2004
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,440
They just never really did it.
And we'll see if you think,

2005
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:32,800
well, what?
Else does the industry.

2006
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,960
Need I think more flexible
screens are interesting.

2007
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,440
I think you know building LED
into all sorts of things and

2008
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:42,880
making things light up is
there's certainly been a lot of

2009
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,880
development in that and it's an
interesting area.

2010
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,600
And I suppose with my interest
in in the merge of video and

2011
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:53,720
lighting, that's a super
interesting point to see lights

2012
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,200
being built into all sorts of
things because LE DS are now so

2013
01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:00,440
small and easy to root.
Although of course I'm looking

2014
01:42:00,440 --> 01:42:03,080
at routing them behind wooden
beams at the moment.

2015
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:05,800
So the other good.
Times, yeah.

2016
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:07,840
Good times.
You know you're.

2017
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:09,920
Probably going to.
Have your house like totally

2018
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,440
pixel mass pixel map so you can
see.

2019
01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:14,920
It from space, right?
There will be color changing LED

2020
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:16,200
everywhere, I can assure you
that.

2021
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:18,360
But what about on the roof?
What about on the roof?

2022
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:19,800
So that planes.
Can see.

2023
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:23,120
Planes can see.
My friend.

2024
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,200
Just turned up today.
He was reading my mind because

2025
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,600
he looked at all the flat land
and he said, Steve, you can have

2026
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:30,520
some great raves here, you know,
we can have the bumper cars over

2027
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:31,560
there, we can.
Have the 2nd.

2028
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,240
Stage here.
I say you are not far from the

2029
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:36,040
truth, my friend.
That is.

2030
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:36,960
Awesome.
We we're.

2031
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,880
Gonna have some parties here.
So.

2032
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,400
Yes, there will be times you can
see it from space.

2033
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:43,480
I'd like to.
You know, on the whole

2034
01:42:43,480 --> 01:42:46,560
innovation front though, like I,
I keep bouncing back and forth

2035
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,040
because like everything is so
good right now.

2036
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,840
Like Roby, if you look up and
down their line, it's amazing.

2037
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,480
Yeah, all the fixtures are
amazing.

2038
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:58,040
If you look at, if you look at.
Chauvet if you look at Chauvet

2039
01:42:58,160 --> 01:42:59,800
up and down their line, it's all
good.

2040
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:04,880
Ayrton and Elation and all of
these lines, Clay Paki, you

2041
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:07,760
know, they're all amazing from
the bottom to the top.

2042
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:14,240
And but you know, like, I think
innovation in our industry right

2043
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,760
now reminds me of children
playing soccer.

2044
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,720
They're all just following each
other around in a bunch.

2045
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:22,280
So somebody.
Comes.

2046
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,560
Out with a pixel mapped wash
light that does a certain thing

2047
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,800
with a ring around the outside.
Then everybody has a pixel

2048
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,360
mapped wash light with a ring
around the outside, right?

2049
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,200
Right.
And so all of the lines are very

2050
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,880
similar, like every manufacturer
is a little bit similar.

2051
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,920
And I remember how it used to be
very different than that.

2052
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:41,280
You know everyone.
Was.

2053
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,560
Very unique.
Every line was completely unique

2054
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,160
and you used a little bit of
this, a little bit of this and a

2055
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:48,920
little bit of this in in each
design.

2056
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,040
Now it's much more.
I could use anything so.

2057
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,400
The good side of that?
Like a whole model, didn't I?

2058
01:43:54,440 --> 01:43:56,600
Yeah, that's right.
That's the house style, if you

2059
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:57,560
like.
Yeah, that's right.

2060
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,080
The the good side is, you know,
it's down to who the

2061
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:05,640
relationships are with or who
the vendor has in stock.

2062
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:09,440
So if the vendor is a big Roby
house, we'll take all your Roby

2063
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:11,280
stuff.
If it's a big Ayrton house,

2064
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,160
we'll take all of your Ayrton
stuff, if it's Martin, whatever,

2065
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:15,600
right?
And then?

2066
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,320
We can work.
But the downside is it's

2067
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:23,800
becoming a little bit How did
the boots say it Homogeneous.

2068
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,880
Homogeneous.
Homogeneous, yeah.

2069
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:28,920
That's right.
Yeah.

2070
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,440
And.
It's a hard thing to listen to,

2071
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:34,960
but it's.
I cannot disagree.

2072
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,240
Because you're right, there's
the polishing and polishing and

2073
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,840
polishing where manufacturing
techniques and one thing is

2074
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,840
great is things just work.
You know, just like in the old

2075
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:46,000
days, things used to get, things
used to break, you know, all

2076
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,920
take electronics.
Now we buy consumer electronics

2077
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,600
and they just work always.
If it's not working, it's all.

2078
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,640
Weather user era.
Yes.

2079
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,520
And it's all weatherproof you
can for you and your festivals,

2080
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,400
like you don't have to put bags
over fixtures anymore.

2081
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,400
It's beautiful.
Fairness to the R&D guys,

2082
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:04,360
because I feel like here we are
saying, oh, there's no

2083
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,600
innovation and I'm sure there's
R&D directors who would want to

2084
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,880
cut our throats, you know?
I've had those conversations.

2085
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:11,600
They're.
Like Marcel.

2086
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,400
You're an idiot, yeah.
The same here, you know, because

2087
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,600
I think in one sense though, you
know, I think it's fair to say,

2088
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:24,680
hey, that was such a Holy Grail
to get fixtures waterproof but

2089
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,520
still able to lift them
out-of-the-box, still bright,

2090
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:31,000
get rid of the heat, all of
those issues and it's been dealt

2091
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:32,560
with.
So if you like, if there's been

2092
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,960
one big innovation, you're
right, the IT.

2093
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,760
Innovation.
Whole IP surge has been

2094
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:41,480
incredible, but what we it would
be great to see some artistic

2095
01:45:41,480 --> 01:45:44,440
innovation, if you like.
Almost like time now to see

2096
01:45:44,440 --> 01:45:46,320
maybe some visual innovation.
And it would.

2097
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,800
Be cool.
Yeah, it would be, yeah.

2098
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:50,520
So we'll see where it goes and
it's great.

2099
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:51,960
Well, I think some companies
have.

2100
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,400
Done it.
Some companies have done it a

2101
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:58,600
bit, you know, like I would say
GLP, you know, getting rid of

2102
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,520
the base on a lot of their
fixtures that was kind of edgy

2103
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,000
and out there, you know, even
though original Vera lights had

2104
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,080
that.
But I used to, I used to really

2105
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,920
love Ayrton for doing things
like they came out with the

2106
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,280
little tiny fixture, I forget
what it was called.

2107
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,680
And then they came out with a
square one, you know the the

2108
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,320
square fixture and like and it
was pixel mapped.

2109
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,440
Yeah, but.
Actually, I thought they were

2110
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:23,680
both cool, both of those
fixtures, but both of them

2111
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,320
didn't do that well.
I mean, I don't want to, you

2112
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,200
know, make we say.
That, but we're all in the

2113
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:28,880
industry.
And we don't see lots of them.

2114
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:32,080
And so then you wonder if then.
Companies start to be a little

2115
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:36,560
bit afraid of of off the wall
innovation because both of those

2116
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,600
fixtures they're, I've had
really interesting applications

2117
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,800
for those, but they were never
big commercial success and I

2118
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,280
want maybe like you, I wonder
why if you know, yeah, so what's

2119
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,400
the same?
Same reasons Ferrari now makes

2120
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,840
an SUV and Lamborghini makes an
SUV.

2121
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:52,560
You know this?
Is what the market?

2122
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:58,640
Wants This is what we give you
know you want the ugly truck, We

2123
01:46:58,640 --> 01:46:59,680
give you the ugly.
Truck.

2124
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,960
Yeah, I know.
Maserati SUV first when I saw

2125
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:04,360
you like, are you serious?
Sort of.

2126
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:08,320
Bentley.
Oh my Lord, Aston Martin looks

2127
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,040
so cool.
Why would you do that?

2128
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,360
Yeah.
Yeah, the most beautiful.

2129
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,000
Cars in the world.
Right now, yeah.

2130
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:16,720
The Bentleys.
Not.

2131
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:18,920
Goes on.
Yeah, Nuts.

2132
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,160
Well, see, we'll still keep
going and it's nice to have

2133
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,000
those things to look back on,
you know?

2134
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:25,200
Whatever I look.
Like it?

2135
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:26,520
Yeah.
Different rehearsals that you've

2136
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,880
been part of.
Things that you've fucked up

2137
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:31,640
there.
Yeah, almost setting fire to

2138
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,840
Paul Simon's rehearsals.
Well, not quite.

2139
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,400
Just thought it was smoke.
What happened there?

2140
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,000
You know, I've never.
Heard that was.

2141
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,480
No, it was.
I mean whatever, not so young

2142
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:44,960
and in fact the rehearsing
Gracelands in the UK for the

2143
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,160
Gracelands tour and I think it's
great because we were really

2144
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:51,400
part of that whole.
We weren't supplying South

2145
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,440
Africa.
We did supply.

2146
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:57,360
We supplied to Live Aid.
We supplied to the Nelson

2147
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,600
Mandela concert was a real
groundswell of like, this is

2148
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,840
unacceptable.
And I know some people had the

2149
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:06,760
issues of poor Simon bringing
out that album, you know,

2150
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,120
misappropriation and what have
you.

2151
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:11,440
But I felt it really helped open
up the world's eyes to like this

2152
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:13,480
is there.
The Africans do really cool

2153
01:48:13,480 --> 01:48:16,440
music and there are people like
us and you know let's do it and

2154
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,800
let's all be together.
And he had the lady Snip Black

2155
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:26,200
Mambazo in in the rehearsals and
the two things was AI fixed the

2156
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,640
console, it was only like a
broken fade or something fixed

2157
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,080
it.
And then the show's going on,

2158
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,640
the rehearsal's going on and
then suddenly people are going

2159
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,040
out.
There's smoke, there's smoke.

2160
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,560
And I think, well, there's
always smoke, There's bloody

2161
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,520
lights, of course there's smoke,
there's smoke machine.

2162
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,720
And then you got smoke here,
smoke here, till the place I

2163
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,720
thought I smoke.
And then realized the fucking

2164
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:45,720
smoke is coming out of my
toolbox and it's coming out of

2165
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:49,320
my flight case toolkit.
I'd left the soldering iron put

2166
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:51,880
it back in its wax sleeve.
And it was.

2167
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,160
Slowly.
Burning.

2168
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,200
Through honestly, I never.
Forget it, I looked at it.

2169
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,400
I thought.
It's that smoke coming out of my

2170
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,400
my fucking toolbox.
This is possible.

2171
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,400
And everyone's looking at you,
you know, rolled into a little

2172
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:07,920
hole.
But I'll tell you what's really

2173
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,720
sweet is it was the first time
that you'd seen a Big South

2174
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:16,640
African black wire singing and
these production girls would go

2175
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,960
up with their clipboards and
they'd be say, hey, can I get

2176
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,160
you a cup of coffee or a glass
of water, A cup of tea, And the

2177
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:26,560
Africans would take two steps
back and, like, leave me alone.

2178
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,160
Are you going to call rape or
something?

2179
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:32,520
No, they were just not.
Used to people treating them as

2180
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,080
they should be treated.
You know, it was a real.

2181
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,840
Life moment, I think.
Yeah, damn nice this is.

2182
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:38,920
How you should be?
Treated.

2183
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,320
And I hope we get to the point
very soon where it's not so

2184
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,920
strange for you for somebody to
come up because you're an

2185
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,960
artist, you're amazing singer,
and they're offering you to

2186
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,080
bring you water, tea, whatever
you want.

2187
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,640
What's so sweet, man?
What's so sweet?

2188
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,080
Steve.
Let me ask you crazy, let.

2189
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:56,880
Me ask you a crazy, crazy
question.

2190
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,600
When was the first time you ever
saw somebody doing blow off the

2191
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,560
drawer on your desk?
Because I know that's not what

2192
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,200
it was made for.
It's not, but there's been an

2193
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,240
awful lot of that and I.
Used to be the.

2194
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:12,320
Service department.
So I used to see it when they

2195
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:17,040
come back to service, feel like
I turned the amount that come up

2196
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,080
with grass as well, You know,
grass.

2197
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:21,440
Really like, yeah, it's a little
bits.

2198
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,760
Of green.
I mean, you can spot open it

2199
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:30,000
when you open it slightly, yeah.
So of course, back in the 80s

2200
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,920
and 90s, there was so much of
that.

2201
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,200
I'm sure there's still a lot of
it going on, but it's sort of

2202
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,760
good that the industry has
really cleaned up its acts.

2203
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,480
I mean, and they're just.
Being more careful.

2204
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,600
That part is really good.
That.

2205
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,760
Part is really good because not
only a little bit.

2206
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:46,880
Extreme.
Not only was it.

2207
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,720
Extreme, but it was dangerous.
You know, like, I mean, I knew

2208
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,280
rigors that were climbing stoned
out of their brains and, yeah,

2209
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:55,480
you know.
Not having.

2210
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,320
I mean for 48 hours.
Exactly.

2211
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:01,720
Yeah.
No, it was a bad lifestyle from

2212
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:06,400
a health standpoint, but also
safety, and I'm glad for

2213
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,560
everyone that the industry has
really cleaned up its act in

2214
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,280
that regard.
But but it was.

2215
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:14,560
Funny, because then I've told
this you're not.

2216
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:15,800
So let me turn on some.
Light.

2217
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,720
I know she's still a very.
No worries and it's.

2218
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:23,120
I'm in Portugal.
I told this story before, but

2219
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,160
one of the first shows I saw
when I moved from Canada to the

2220
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,360
US and I was working for Martin
and I was.

2221
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:34,320
I was invited to go front of
house and I want to say who the

2222
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:39,080
act was or who the LD was.
But so I'm front of House and

2223
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:42,240
and you know, all of a sudden I
see that drawer open and I'm

2224
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,600
watching what he's doing and I'm
like right here in the middle of

2225
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,040
everyone.
These guys.

2226
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,600
Snorting lines out of the
console right here in the middle

2227
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:54,280
of like 20,000 people.
I was shocked.

2228
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:56,680
I I just.
Had never seen anything like

2229
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:57,080
that.
Just.

2230
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:58,520
Because they open up the link,
don't they?

2231
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:00,200
They open up there.
You remember.

2232
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:04,040
I mean, was it Selka had a big
tour, had a big open flap and

2233
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:05,360
then the whole hog had the
biggest you?

2234
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,520
Know because it was like a.
Barrier between you, you know,

2235
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,440
between them and the audience.
It's like, yeah, I'm just

2236
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,120
checking my notes from like 3
inches of.

2237
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,440
Yeah, it's funny.
Yeah, funny.

2238
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,600
Yeah, I know like you said it's
it's good that our industry has

2239
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:24,520
cleaned up and and it's just
it's such an exciting time to be

2240
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:27,760
alive in our industry.
Like you know the Stones are

2241
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,640
touring in their 80s.
You know, this is an amazing

2242
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,120
thing and the production for
that show is outrageous, like

2243
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,320
stunning.
You know if you figure like you

2244
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,600
probably had AQM whatever
console on a stone show in the

2245
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,120
70s or. 80s many.
Times in the 90s, yeah.

2246
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:46,800
During the 90s, yeah.
With maybe you know, a dozen or

2247
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,920
two dozen moving lights on it,
if they even had moving lights

2248
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:52,360
at that point.
Now this probably has 1000

2249
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:54,680
moving lights on this.
This current stone.

2250
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,080
Show.
Well, we have the Diamond Three

2251
01:52:57,080 --> 01:53:01,000
with Ethan until quite late, you
know, And so that must have been

2252
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,320
up till up till 2000, up till
2000, and just after 2000, so

2253
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,200
all the way through all of their
shows.

2254
01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:11,560
And in fact, it was so good.
And he gave passes that allowed

2255
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,160
me to take like 30 people from
the company to the Rolling Stone

2256
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:19,600
Stadium show.
Oh wow, that's my, my, my

2257
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,200
partner.
I mean, everyone was just blown

2258
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,880
away and he took everyone into
front of the house afterwards.

2259
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:25,800
He's.
That's cool.

2260
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,480
Guy, He's like #1 cool guy.
He's in whatever.

2261
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:33,320
But I'll never forget my
financial director e-mail

2262
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:38,040
crying, just crying with joy to
see her product on in Arena.

2263
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:39,760
Show for the rolling.
Oh.

2264
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,240
So she's Sri Lankan, She doesn't
go to rock shows.

2265
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,120
And yeah, it was a life moment
that was just.

2266
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,840
So cool that you brought her.
You know what I mean?

2267
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:48,880
Like yes.
To.

2268
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,000
Give her that kind of exposure
to a show like that, you know?

2269
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:53,920
I've really tried that.
Experience.

2270
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,240
In the years to take the company
to as many shows, it gets harder

2271
01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,800
and harder because of course,
bosses get more and more than

2272
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,760
the theater.
And these days, people invite

2273
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,840
you personally see if you and
your wife.

2274
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,600
Yeah.
So yeah, I can't do anymore, you

2275
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,240
know?
Can I bring 20 of my closest?

2276
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:08,480
Friends.
Exactly.

2277
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,480
But it's so nice we do, you
know, like I know if it's state

2278
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:14,120
we do something like go to.
Yeah.

2279
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,520
It's just an ad on guard art
stuff and but every so often it

2280
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,640
comes up where you can get like
an arena show for comedian.

2281
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:22,440
I go right, send out a company
e-mail.

2282
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:24,440
Who wants to go out tonight?
You know, I'm getting the

2283
01:54:24,440 --> 01:54:26,520
drinks, I'm getting the food.
Just turn up.

2284
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:29,800
We're all down now.
And it makes such a difference,

2285
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,280
It makes such a difference to
all go out together and see what

2286
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:33,640
you do.
Because a lot of the guys in

2287
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:37,000
the, the technicians in the in
the workshop who build all these

2288
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,320
things and test them, they very
often never get to see them

2289
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:44,040
used, you know, And yeah,
they're technical people and

2290
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:46,120
quite often from different
backgrounds and they just

2291
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:48,560
wouldn't have that opportunity.
So yeah, it's something I'm

2292
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:52,240
going to keep on doing, yeah.
That's so cool.

2293
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:53,840
No, I love.
I love that.

2294
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:57,640
About you, you know what I mean?
Like I I stopped going to shows

2295
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:02,160
when you know you couldn't get
backstage parking passes anymore

2296
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,600
and you know when it when.
It.

2297
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:08,240
When you when you became a
pedestrian, I I I was really

2298
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:11,880
like, unless I really wanted to
see the band, I would go during

2299
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,840
the day for sound check and see
see the guys that I wanted to

2300
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,000
say hello to.
And then I wouldn't go to the

2301
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,720
show at night most of the time,
right?

2302
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:21,680
There's just so few bands
anymore that I'm really

2303
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,560
interested in going on and being
part of the crowd and stuff.

2304
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,920
I I don't know.
I I probably should change that

2305
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,120
again because I used to love
live shows more than GO.

2306
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:31,600
To The Doobie Brothers.
And I'm told it's gonna be

2307
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,120
amazing.
Seth's gonna make it.

2308
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:36,240
Amazing.
I will anyways, because I I, I

2309
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,440
love Seth.
And yeah, and they're a great

2310
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,680
band.
And it's like last year was

2311
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,120
their 50th anniversary, so it's
their 50. 1st.

2312
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,760
Anniversary now and like.
The McDonald's going back out

2313
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:49,120
with them oh is.
He really.

2314
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:49,880
Really.
For the whole.

2315
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:50,400
Tools.
Yes.

2316
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:51,600
Yeah, apparently.
Wow.

2317
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,400
That's what I'm told.
So let's see.

2318
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:56,640
Let's see.
Damn, you don't know me, but I'm

2319
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,120
your brother.
It's gonna be good.

2320
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:00,920
That's my.
Singing debut on the podcast?

2321
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,640
That's about it.
It's over, Yeah.

2322
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:07,320
So you're traveling.
A bunch still, right?

2323
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:11,080
Like you you, I know you bought
a a caravan thing or something.

2324
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:13,720
Yeah, well, a camper van, yeah.
Caravans are the ones that you

2325
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,840
hook up to your car.
But yeah, it's like trailers.

2326
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,720
Yeah.
But you know, like a little RV.

2327
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:19,080
Really, I suppose.
Yeah.

2328
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:21,520
So yeah, no, because RV is
great.

2329
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:23,720
You just get in it and you go,
you move your house to wherever

2330
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:25,320
you are.
And we'll say we're doing a lot

2331
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:26,920
of festivals.
There are a lot of festivals

2332
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:31,680
this summer, but also because of
New Portugal, we we have places

2333
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:34,360
in the UK but they're up for
rent and I'm not just going to

2334
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,160
leave you sitting empty, So
whenever you rent your place in

2335
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:40,680
the in the UK, so we're homeless
in the UK basically.

2336
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,040
So when I go back there, we'll
be, yeah, we'll be in the mini

2337
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:47,440
RV in camper van and driving
what a.

2338
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:49,920
Great way to do it though.
What a great way to do.

2339
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,720
It I mean.
Where do you live Right here.

2340
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:53,600
Right here.
Exactly.

2341
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:55,200
You're in my yard.
Get out of my yard.

2342
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:58,640
And as you say, there's so many
festivals in the UK, so not only

2343
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,120
we're doing big ones that we
normally do, but I'm now looking

2344
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:02,680
for a load of little piece of
ones.

2345
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:06,400
They think oh great, let's go to
some like 10,005 thousand people

2346
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,920
ones and and hang out with
friends and they're really easy

2347
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,440
those festivals because they'll
be stressed.

2348
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,800
They do the lights you have a
drink with master it's it's

2349
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:17,600
really nice so, so that's how
travelling and I'm going to be

2350
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,840
doing some more European
festivals as well so.

2351
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,640
I.
Want to try to open up bar when

2352
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,200
you go?
Do you like to be front of house

2353
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,120
or do you like to be part of the
crowd?

2354
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,120
Both always positive people, the
crowd.

2355
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,760
We'll always spend some time in
front of your house because and

2356
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:37,360
it's great and it's so nice to
put your bags down and and

2357
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,240
raining.
Apart from that, what you really

2358
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:41,080
want to do is we love seeing the
people.

2359
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:44,800
Karen and I.
We like machines for hey, seeing

2360
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,280
the people, you know, But it's
really important.

2361
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,800
I'm not just saying this as some
sales message or ablex message.

2362
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,680
We come back from Glastonbury
with so many names of new

2363
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,360
technicians who are getting into
it.

2364
01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:59,960
New people, people who speak to
you say, oh, you know, I'm, I'm

2365
01:57:59,960 --> 01:58:03,080
here because my uncle is
production manager, but I'd love

2366
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,960
to get into this industry, I
don't know how.

2367
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,200
And we're like, mate, here's my
contacts, I'll take your

2368
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,200
contacts, contact me afterwards,
you know I'll get you into the

2369
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:12,280
company.
You can jump.

2370
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:14,240
On a training.
Course you can see if you like

2371
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:17,440
it, you know and point them in
the right direction.

2372
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:20,280
And so often those things are
the things that start people off

2373
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:22,400
in life.
You know somebody just giving

2374
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:26,360
you that little leg up.
So, so we're always in front of

2375
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:28,480
house.
But what I don't understand is I

2376
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,280
know lots of people and I can
even think of some big main

2377
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:34,400
companies who will spend all of
the time in front of house.

2378
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,280
You're like, I have a Colombian
wife, she's a bit younger than

2379
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,840
me and we are like we are off
dancing with.

2380
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:41,360
Yeah, that.
Was.

2381
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:43,760
Amazing.
I love a dance.

2382
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:47,000
You know, I don't need much
encouragement, so and we're in

2383
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:48,120
the costumes.
We're.

2384
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:51,360
Always in the costumes.
That's unreal, you guys.

2385
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:52,200
Are.
Dressed up?

2386
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:54,600
Yeah, she has to be dressed.
Up and we go have some fun with

2387
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:56,080
the audience.
So yeah, that's.

2388
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,040
Fantastic.
So are you still going to go to

2389
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,720
trade shows or no?
Oh yes, yeah.

2390
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:03,960
I'm planning to be at Frankfurts
Frankfurt next year.

2391
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:07,560
Plaza is the first one coming up
in September and then Frankfurt

2392
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:09,600
next year.
I'd really like to be LD I I

2393
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,080
think I will be.
So you know.

2394
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:12,880
That'll be.
Management decision but I would

2395
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:17,360
really like to 20,000 LDIS and I
I really like that kind of and

2396
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,440
even if whatever if if not there
I think might just come

2397
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:24,360
personally yeah I've been I've
missed a couple in the last two

2398
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:26,720
years with all this changes and
what have you in Europe.

2399
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,720
So yeah, I need to be back in
back in that next.

2400
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,960
Yeah, I missed I.
Missed LDI last year because I

2401
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:37,240
had a lot of fixing to do in my
own business and I really just

2402
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:40,920
had to keep my head down and and
continue doing what I was doing.

2403
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:44,480
And I really hated missing it
cuz people were texting me and

2404
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,600
calling me and, you know, trying
to line me at the bar and stuff

2405
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:49,160
and yeah, and they're like,
what?

2406
01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:50,760
Do you mean you're doing here,
you know?

2407
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,600
What do you?
Mean I call it and I got.

2408
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:57,800
Well, and everyone kept saying
it's the greatest show that

2409
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,480
they've had in.
Many, many years maybe.

2410
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:02,200
Ever.
Best one ever, you know?

2411
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:05,600
And I'm like, what?
So yeah, I'll be back this year.

2412
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,080
I like to record podcast at LDI
too.

2413
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:11,880
It's always fun, but it.
Was fun when we did that one

2414
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:13,360
Sunday morning.
I don't know how I did that

2415
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,040
last.
Time you were.

2416
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,480
I think you were still up.
I think you were still up.

2417
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:21,200
Nothing.
Yeah, You were still up, I

2418
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:23,560
think, as I recall.
Yeah, you were a little bit

2419
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:28,480
sloppy.
That's fine.

2420
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:30,120
That's probably a good way to be
sometimes.

2421
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:32,240
Well, I'm going.
To let you get back to your

2422
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:34,760
guests and your lovely.
Yes, is she?

2423
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,640
Your wife now or still your
partner?

2424
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:37,960
She.
No, we're married.

2425
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:40,520
Yeah, we got married and we had
a little mini festival in our

2426
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,640
backyard and it was pretty cool.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.

2427
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:44,800
It was.
When was that?

2428
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:48,480
The farmer let us use the field
behind, so that really opened up

2429
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:50,280
whenever.
I lived slightly outside London.

2430
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:52,440
So the garden is, yeah, you
know, big enough.

2431
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:56,400
But when the farmer said, hey,
if you use the field behind the

2432
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:59,640
garden as well, you're like hey,
we, we borrowed a big marquee

2433
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:01,640
from one of the one of the
festival marquees from.

2434
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:04,080
Glastonbury like a big and we
had some.

2435
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:07,960
DJs and you stayed up for like
dancing till four or five in the

2436
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:10,280
morning.
Oh my goodness, parents.

2437
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:11,920
Were there?
Dancing with us, four or five in

2438
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:13,360
the morning.
It was fun.

2439
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:15,320
What?
Are they thinking they must

2440
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:17,040
think you're batshit nuts,
right?

2441
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:20,760
Well, I'm sure they will think,
why isn't it their daughter

2442
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:24,520
marrying A significantly older
chap, you know, Well, I suppose

2443
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:25,840
maybe it's the young, hard
thing.

2444
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:29,600
And I I would keep people
focused on that because, you

2445
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,920
know, you just got to keep doing
it because I think as soon as

2446
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:35,320
you start saying, oh, I can't be
doing that, I can't be doing

2447
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,720
that, is when all the problems
set in.

2448
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:40,080
So yeah, we get on great.
Let's face.

2449
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:42,120
It I try.
You don't get.

2450
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:44,240
Responsible all the way.
Yeah.

2451
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:46,880
And we get on really well, Yeah.
The parents get on.

2452
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:47,520
We get on.
Really.

2453
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,920
Well, they come and visit here.
I guess spend time with them.

2454
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,360
We've got a little place there.
Spend a couple months a year

2455
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:56,280
over there, so.
They still live in Colombia

2456
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:57,480
then?
In Colombia?

2457
02:01:57,480 --> 02:02:00,960
Yeah, they're in Bogota.
Oh wow, Nice, nice.

2458
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:04,840
Yeah, nice Part of Bogota.
Karolina went to Swiss school

2459
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:08,000
for mathematics and they decided
she liked mathematics so much

2460
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:09,280
she was going to be a yoga
teacher.

2461
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,520
Screw mathematics.
I never want to add another two

2462
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:12,480
numbers together.
In my life.

2463
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:15,440
I can see a perfectly straight
line between those two

2464
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:16,560
mathematics.
And yoga.

2465
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:18,040
Yoga.
I know.

2466
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,360
I think you put her off.
So she's like, I'm doing

2467
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:23,000
something more involved with the
people.

2468
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:26,880
She's quite amazing.
She has a a talent for never

2469
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,480
forgetting.
She's almost at an Aspergers

2470
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:34,040
level of never forgetting
someone she has met Serious.

2471
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:37,200
It's freaky.
She remembers their names, their

2472
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:38,720
what they were wearing, where
we.

2473
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:41,680
Met.
So Can you imagine that if we do

2474
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:44,640
festival art festival, art
festival and meet and I'm

2475
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,880
talking about, you asked me, if
we go in the crowd, we go in the

2476
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:50,520
crowd and dance with random
people all the time.

2477
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:54,800
And then she spots them at other
festivals and it freaks them

2478
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,120
out.
She goes and say, how you doing?

2479
02:02:57,720 --> 02:02:58,280
Oh.
Yeah.

2480
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:01,120
When do you have a oh, you had a
baby or you're getting married

2481
02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:02,360
and they're like.
That's why.

2482
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:03,640
You see?
Her because you?

2483
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:06,760
Don't Remember Me, do you?
And and we have so much fun with

2484
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:09,680
that.
It's like a superpower.

2485
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:13,120
Yeah, but did she remember?
Everything, you know, like all

2486
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:14,880
this stuff that you don't want
her to remember.

2487
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:18,920
Like Steve, remember that time
two years ago you told me?

2488
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:21,560
That you were going to.
She's too good.

2489
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,480
I'll tell you what's great as
well is because she's very

2490
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:27,640
healthy and the whole yoga thing
going on the front of house, you

2491
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:29,640
know, all of that naughty stuff
you're talking about in front of

2492
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:33,200
house, there's a lot less of it
because they can't be in public

2493
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:35,000
in front of her.
They're all friends with her and

2494
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,880
we know all of them.
And so they all have to sneak

2495
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:40,680
off somewhere to do whatever
naughty things they want to do.

2496
02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:44,160
So, so we're like the little
health fairies?

2497
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:45,800
Good.
Good.

2498
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:46,880
That's good.
I like.

2499
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:48,640
That I like that, Well, I look.
I look.

2500
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:50,240
Forward to I don't think I've
met her.

2501
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:52,200
I don't think she's been with
you.

2502
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:53,840
No, she hasn't.
That's right.

2503
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:56,600
Not to the, no, that's correct.
I'd love to meet her.

2504
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:57,800
We're going.
To come over to Portugal.

2505
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:01,200
Yeah, come over to Portugal,
come to Plaza, but mainly come

2506
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:04,240
to Portugal because we'll have a
roof and a guest room by next

2507
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:08,160
spring, and that would be so.
Cool the The roof is important.

2508
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:09,920
The guest room, I don't.
Know where I can sleep on the

2509
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:12,040
floor?
Oh yeah, but no.

2510
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:14,520
Yeah, the guest room needs the
toilets, the to kill.

2511
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:19,080
Da da da da da da.
But yes, we're expecting to be

2512
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:21,080
finished, but I'm giving us a
little bit of leeway because

2513
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:22,200
spring comes early here.
Wow.

2514
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:24,600
I'm telling people, hey, if you
want to come book in a slot in

2515
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:27,600
the spring, be really nice.
I'm guessing we're going to have

2516
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:31,480
to calendar it like a long time
in advance because you know,

2517
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:33,880
knowing you, you've probably got
bookings.

2518
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:36,920
Yeah, you invited a few people,
but getting early.

2519
02:04:38,440 --> 02:04:41,520
Yeah, yeah.
Steve, thank you so much for

2520
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:43,240
taking.
The time to talk Today it's

2521
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:45,200
been.
So fun to catch up with you

2522
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:47,680
again, I.
Apologize to your to your

2523
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:50,240
listeners for talking so long
and so randomly.

2524
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:53,640
But hey, you know, just, you
know, people can always call me.

2525
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:55,880
People always call me.
I'm always up for a chat and if

2526
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:58,280
I can help in any way, I'm yeah,
that's what I feel I'm there

2527
02:04:58,280 --> 02:05:00,160
for.
So always.

2528
02:05:00,160 --> 02:05:02,840
And thanks for the opportunity,
Marcel, top man.

2529
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:06,000
You're a great human, Steve.
Oh, you too, man.

2530
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,080
You keep up the good work.
You did a lot of good work in

2531
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:12,320
Pandemic and you keep it flying.
Take care.

2532
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:26,920
Yeah.