#240 - David Haskell from Gateway Studios

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episode number 240. This
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Yeah.
Well, hello and welcome

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back to episode number 240.
They're

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moving along now, moving,
moving, moving along. And

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we almost lost one. So
this could have actually

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been 239, but last night,
miraculously, in combination

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between my software company,
tech team, and myself, and

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my own ingenuity and
stubbornness, I guess it

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comes down to, I was able
to save the Glenn Rogerman

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from AED podcast. It's
been my life's mission for

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the last week or so. I'm
recording this the same day

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I was able to launch it.
So

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I launched it last night
and it was funny because I

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woke up this morning and
there were already like 100

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downloads of it or
something. So

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just on Spotify, so that's
in addition to whatever I

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haven't looked at YouTube
yet, or Apple Music, or

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any of those things. But
yeah, I mean, it was

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incredible because it was
corrupt. Like

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that file was as bad as
I've ever run into on my

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podcast and I've lost a
couple. But

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this one we refused to
lose and we were able to

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save it. So
it's good because it's

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actually a pretty good
discussion between him and

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I that happened about a
week ago. So

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what else is going on? I
must have been stuck in

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the dark ages because I
didn't realize that there

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was another residency going
into the sphere. And

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that I think starts in the
next couple of days, maybe

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even today. But
it's fish and they're doing

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I think just four nights,
I believe. And

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you know, I'm probably a
little bit ignorant to the

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whole fish thing. I
never caught on. It

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never got me, I guess. And
so I couldn't tell you the

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name of any of their
songs. I

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just remember their guys
name is Anastasia, I think

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the singer. But
you know, I know that fish

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has that whole vibe, the
whole sort of stoner vibe

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about them, sort of like
Grateful Dead, but from the

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2000s or whatever. And
so I just envision this

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bunch of really wasted fish
fans, you know, dancing

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around in colorful clothes
and mesmerized by the

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world's biggest TV screen
in front of them. I

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mean, what a perfect, you
know, other than Pink

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Floyd, I probably don't
know of many more perfect

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bands than Fish or Grateful
Dead, as far as being like

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really super visual and
really lending themselves

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well to having, you know,
the biggest indoor, you

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know, display in the world,
the world's biggest

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television. So
I think that'll be really

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cool. Also,
I think Abby Rosenholmes

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designed it or is designing
it. I

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think it'll be spectacular,
not only from a technology

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standpoint, because of the
sphere, etc. But

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I think also just from a
design, and I'm sure some

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of the creative is going
to also be mind blowing.

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So
I won't be there, but I

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am looking forward to not
only people who are

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listening to this who might
be going to that show, I

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know a few crazed fish
fans, one that comes to

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mind is Troy Dockery. I
remember Troy used to

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travel all over the country
to go see fish multiple

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times. He'd
go for a week and see

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four fish shows in a week
or whatever. I

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know a few of those people
and again, I'm just not

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one of them. But
I look forward to seeing

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video and pictures and
stuff. And

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I also wanted to stick
with this sort of AI

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discussion series that I've
been doing over the past

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probably a couple of
months. But

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this morning, during my
walk, I walk about four

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miles every morning. And
this morning, I tripped

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over a recent, I think,
just yesterday, it came

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out, Tucker Carlson
interview with Mike Rowe.

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And
I know a lot of people

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are going to cringe and
roll your eyes because I

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just said Tucker Carlson,
sorry, it's like a dirty

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word, I know. But
I happen to like his

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interviewing style. And
I don't care about his

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politics, of course, but I
just think he's a smart

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guy and he does a pretty
good interview. But

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Mike Rowe's a cool guy,
the dirty jobs guy, Mike

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Rowe. But
they talked about AI. And

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it made a lot of sense,
like, Mike Rowe basically

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said he sees AI helping
people to become much more

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well rounded. He
thinks that that's the

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modern sort of blue collar
worker is now wearing a

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bit of a white collar.
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you know, plumbers who
study poetry, or marketing,

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or finance, and philosophers
knowing how to change their

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own oil in their car or
whatever. Really,

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AI, as we've discussed
recently, supporting humans

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versus replacing us was
pretty much the discussion.

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But
it's worth listening to.

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It's
a pretty good discussion.

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It
didn't get political. And

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they didn't even complain
about the president or

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anything. So
go ahead and listen if

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you're interested. One
of the news stories I saw

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yesterday, I think, was
Google cutting finance

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people and reinvesting that
money into AI investments

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instead. So
people might be going, ah,

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that's it. That's
the evil that we were

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looking for. You
know, they're getting rid

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of humans and replacing
them with AI. That's

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not the story. The
story is they're shifting

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investments and hiring more
AI people as opposed to

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finance people. And
so they're not getting rid

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of finance people and
putting computers in their

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places. They're
so it's a shift, not a

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net loss of jobs is what
I would say. And

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probably I would guess that
AI people are going to

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make more money than
finance people. So

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probably it's a net gain
if you look at wages or

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whatever you want to,
whatever direction you want

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to go with that. This
one's interesting and kind

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of scary. The
CEO of an AI company

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called Anthropic says that
by next year, AI models

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could be able to replicate
and survive in the wild,

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meaning that not sentient,
because sentient is the one

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that everybody's worried
about, where basically AI

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can think and feel and
have emotions and make

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decisions based on that.
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is more about just AI
adapting to what's going on

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around it and not only
surviving, but replicating

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itself, creating more AI.
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so that one, his prediction
that that's going to happen

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by next year has some
people going, huh, you

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know, raising some eyebrows
and stuff. That's

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a crazy and interesting
one. And

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as far as cool apps, one
of the ones that I've

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tripped over recently is,
and I'm not going to use

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names because I'm not
supporting, they're not

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supporting me and I'm not
sponsoring, they're not

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sponsoring me, but it's a
reading app that allows you

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to, and there's a bunch of
them out there, but it

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allows you to basically
read a summarized book in

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minutes. And
so it's not like a book

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summary thing, club or
something like that.

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Basically,
you can input a book into

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it and it'll read it in a
few minutes and give you

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the important bits and take
out all the fluff. And

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you know, that's a really
interesting one to me. I

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forget which podcaster it's
Shetty, J Shetty has this

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whole speed reading method
that I have adopted

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somewhat. I
haven't perfected it, but

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basically it allows him to
read, I think, a book a

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day or something when he
was in the, becoming a

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monk or whatever. He's
reading a book a day. I

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can't do that. I
mean, but I can definitely

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read faster. And
basically it's reading the

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first and last line of a
paragraph and skipping

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everything in between. And
the stuff in between is

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just color. The
facts all happen in the

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first line or the last
line of a paragraph. So,

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you know, I already do a
bit of that, but I think

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AI probably winds that up
even a lot better than

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that and does a pretty
good job of it. So

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moving on to today, episode
number 240. So

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David Haskell has been on
Giz of Gear twice and this

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will be his third time
today. So

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the first time was back
sort of in the old world,

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let's call it, which is
pre -pandemic. And

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that was in May of 2019
on episode number 17. And

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then again in 2021, he
came on in his new gig on

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episode number 138 where
him and his sort of co

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-management team at Gateway
came on. That

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was a really interesting
one when they announced

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sort of the whole Gateway
thing and what they were

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doing there. And
we talked about that. You

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can find both of those, of
course, on Giz of Gear

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.com. You
can just put in the

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episode number 17 or 138.
That'll

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give you a lot of David
Haskell's background. I

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don't like to go into that
again when they've been on

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the podcast before, oh, so
where were you born? Where

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did you go to school? What
did you do first? Who

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was your first job? Who
was your first tour? I

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love doing that with people
who've never been on the

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podcast, but if you've been
on it, we're not going to

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cover that again. So
David has been in the

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industry more than 40
years. He

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was president at Morris
Sound and Light for quite

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some time before Solotek
acquired Morris. I

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think that was in 2021, I
believe. And

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David is now the president
of business development at

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Gateway Studios and
Production Services or GSPS.

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Gateway
Studios and Production

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Services offer turnkey
production service solutions

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for the live music touring,
motion picture, television,

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and corporate event
industries. Gateway

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Studios scheduled to open
this year with more than

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300 ,000 square feet.
Gateway

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will be the largest and
most technologically advanced

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facility of its kind in
the U .S. David

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is also a lover of animals
and supports the St. Thomas

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Humane Society. And
I like David. I

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think he's a very cool
dude and I'm looking

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forward to catching up with
him. So

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here we go. Hello
there, David. Hello,

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Marcel. What's
going on, man? Hey,

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man. It's
been hanging on a fabulous

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Thursday. How
about yourself? It's

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been a wacky three years
since last time I spoke to

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you on this podcast with
your co -contributors. Three

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years? 2021,
yeah. I

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think so. Wow.
Okay. Time

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has gone a little fast
when you're old. A

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little too quick for both
of us right now, I think.

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You
know, that's the thing.

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I've
got a big birthday this

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year and I ain't looking
forward to it. I'm

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hiding from it. What
are you hitting? 60.

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I got you by a couple of
years. Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, I just, I
don't think I ever thought

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I was going to turn 60.
Not

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saying that I was going to
die before 60, but I just

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thought I could keep
kicking that can down the

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road, you know, but all of
a sudden there's the can.

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What's
the line? If

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I knew I was going to
live this long and have

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taken better care of
myself. No

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shit, right? That's
our previous conversation.

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That's
all of us though. That's

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literally all of us. Like
I, you know, I kind of

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hate going to trade shows
these days in one sense

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because I love seeing all
my friends, but I'm seeing

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people that I'm looking at
them going, God damn it,

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you need to get yourself
in better shape, buddy. You

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know, because yeah, it's
like we're at that age now

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where it really is starting
to matter. You

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know, your health is your
wealth is what the wise

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man once told me. Yeah.
Yeah. Actually,

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Wiseman told me that. No.
Yeah. John

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Wiseman told me that. He
had a scare like last

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year. Some,
I don't remember if it was

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prostate cancer, but he
ended up getting like some

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crazy cutting edge robotic
surgery and it knocked it

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right out of him. He's
not good for him. He's

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cancer free, but yeah.
Yeah.

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I mean, Wiseman in his
case, it's I think he's

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been well pickled. Yeah.
I've been well pickled with

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him a couple of times
probably through the years.

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Like
we all have. He

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certainly tried to try to
destroy himself, but didn't

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manage to succeed
fortunately because I happen

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to like him. Yeah,
that's the thing. I

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like all of these guys,
all of you guys, all of

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us, like it's such a great
community, but unfortunately

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people are dropping, you
know, our good buddy Cosmo.

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Like
I don't know anybody with

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more friends than Cosmo. Oh
my God. Yeah.

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But the downside of that
is he's always posting on

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Facebook, you know,
obituaries basically. Yeah.

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Well, he's, you know, he's,
he's, he's cataloging a lot

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of things, you know, who
knows for, for reasons, you

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know, down the future.
Maybe,

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maybe one day if anybody,
he would be the ultimate

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guy to write a book, you
know, you didn't know he's

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right. Yeah.
Well, I, okay. Yeah.

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No, he's been doing that
for a few years now. So

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yeah, that'll be, that'll
be fun when it comes out.

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He'll
have some stories, but you

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know, in classic Cosmo,
like I'd almost rather, you

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know, preach, write a book
because he's going to rip

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on everybody. Absolutely.
Whereas Cosmo only write

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the good things. He
won't write any of the bad

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things. He's,
he's just that kind of a

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gentle, gentle giant of a
guy, you know. Yeah.

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Cosmo's still involved with
you guys, right? Oh,

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100%. Yeah.
He does business development

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with us. You
know, when he's, when he's,

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when he's around, but he's
been a, he's a working

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machine, man. He
just got back from three

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months over there with
Judas Priest and he's

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leaving next week to go
start ACDC over there. So

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I think he's, and Nero
Smith is fitting in there

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somewhere, you know, it's,
that guy is the God of

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his, his luck and as far
as timing and scheduling

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goes, like it's literally,
and it's works for him.

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Thank
goodness. It

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is bizarre, man. Like
he's got three massive

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bands that are all in
their seventies and a big

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rush to get out and tour
before they're too old to

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do it. And
they're somehow fitting

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together, you know, which
is incredible. So

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good for him. Yeah.
Yeah. Good

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on him for sure. Yeah.
So I got so many things

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to talk to you about.
Well,

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ask you about really more
than talk to you about,

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because, you know, for one,
you, you started a

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production company in the
most nutty time that our

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industry has ever seen,
except maybe the year

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before that, you know, but
I mean, just complete

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batshit mayhem and you guys
start a company. And

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I remember, I went and
visited you guys pretty

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early on in, in your
existence, in your temporary

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facilities. And
you had like all brand new

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inventory. I've
never seen a shop like

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that before, but like
literally things were being

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peeled out of plastic and
put into road cases and,

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you know, unwrapped. I
think the cable, the cable

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rubber is still off gassing
in there. It

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was unreal. I'd
never seen that much new

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equipment in any one place,
except maybe a trade show,

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but, you know, I've never
seen it like, and I didn't

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realize it until I was
there walking around. I

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was going, everything's new.
Like

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brand new, like a month
ago new. And

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so yeah, it was an
interesting time to do

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that. You
know, it's a lot of

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people, this whole company,
you know, Gateway, I refer

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to as the company, it
came, it was kind of, you

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know, it sounds, not to
sound cliche, but we were

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literally born out of
pandemic, you know, the

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four of the partners that
were there. Instead

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of sitting around going, oh
my God, what are we going

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to do, you know, through
the help of our owner? And

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we all said, well, let's
do this. So

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during the pandemic, it
was, it was a good time,

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A, to focus on what we
were doing and B, it was

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at such a low time in the
industry for both people as

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we all know, but also for
manufacturers, Marcel. So

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being able to, you know,
have the luxury and the

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affordability of you well
through the owner, to be

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able to go to our
partners, you know, the

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Robies, Tyler Trust, when
everybody's just going, holy

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shit, what are we going to
do? We're

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sitting here going, what do
you have? We'll

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take it all, you know,
which in some stances,

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that, you know, it helps
kicks people back up into

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manufacturing. To
even say you had a small

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part in something like that
is the most gratifying

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thing. You
guys launching a business

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literally, you know, helped
probably, I wouldn't say

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helped keep some
manufacturers in business,

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but it certainly, you know,
fed the well a little bit,

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you know, or a lot in
some cases. I

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remember one story and I
won't mention exact names

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or anything, but I got a
call from one manufacturer

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slash distributor who said
those MFers over at Gateway

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bastards. And
I said, what, you don't

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like them? And
he goes, no, I love those

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guys. And
I said, well, what's wrong?

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And
he said, they just ordered

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4 ,000 clamps from me,
which means they bought 2

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,000 moving lights from
somebody else. And

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yeah, oh, yeah, I got a
feeling. I

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know who you're talking
about. Yeah,

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I know, I know who you
bought them from. And

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I know the other guy is
and it was just a funny,

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it was a funny story
because he was he was so

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pissed off that he didn't
get the lighting order, but

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happy for the clamp order,
of course, right? And

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he did okay. Let's
face it. It

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all trickle. It
all trickles down, you

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know, it really does. And,
you know, building it at

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that time. Also,
you know, when you're

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building something from
scratch, it's daunting as

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it's like, holy shit, you
know, we don't even have

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any rack screws in here,
you know, it's building

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something from a concrete
floor, you know, but it

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also gives you the ability
to take your different

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disciplines and marry them
together with like

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departments, cables, distros,
as you all know, you know,

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we've all been there either
through acquisition or just

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time, you know, oh, I've
got this distro. Well,

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shit, it doesn't work with
this particular discipline

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or this doesn't mean and
actually having the ability

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to go through and do those
sort of things, you know,

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from the ground up is, you
know, scares scares the

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shit out of you in one
aspect, but it gives you

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it's really nice to have
all of your disciplines

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looking proper. Yeah,
but do moving lights still

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ship without plugs on them?
Depends

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on the artist. Yeah,
everything now is, you

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know, most of it's, you
know, true one, can they

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thank God we have those,
but yeah, a lot of them

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is like it's an it's an
option. No,

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but I was just wondering,
like even just getting in

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thousands of moving lights
and having to put plugs on

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all of them before you
could rent them all like

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that's a project, you know,
everything about it, like

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it's inventory control or
just getting your, you

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know, the inventory set up
to the bar coding and, you

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know, things like that, we
were really, you know,

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fortunate to we were able
to go RFID on almost

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everything because, you
know, because everybody in

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the shop loves to scan
gear in and out not, you

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know, so at least they've
got these little crazy ones

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now that they can just
kind of wave their hand

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over a bit and go, yeah,
there's 53 pieces of DMX

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in that box or, you know,
that type of stuff. That's

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nice. Yeah.
Yeah, efficiency. But

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the thing is, like, you
guys were in a position to

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look either like complete
assholes or geniuses and in

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the end, I think it worked
out in your favor because

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you were spending a lot of
someone else's money,

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obviously, and convincing
him to spend to write

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those checks and oh my
god, it worked out, you

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know, well, and in also
you saved him a lot of

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money because if you would
have waited six months to

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buy that stuff when
everything was backordered

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and you couldn't have got
those 2000 fixtures that we

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were just talking about and
got another gear. Yeah.

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Yeah, and that's just
starting to catch up now,

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you know, as you well
know, you know, but it's

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like, you know, hopefully
everybody's getting back on

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their feet and, you know,
lead times are getting less

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and less, which I'm seeing
that, which is, you know,

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it's good for growth. Yeah,
some things. I

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mean, as you probably know,
MA consoles are a year out

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or whatever. Digico,
some of the Digico stuff,

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some of the DNB stuff,
some of the El Acoustic

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stuff. I
mean, just a lot of the

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hottest gear outside of
moving lights is still

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really long lead times.
Yeah,

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I mean, things that you
would think is like, oh,

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well, they've got that.
Well,

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we're waiting on this
specific chip for all this,

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you know, it's kind of
like the car business was

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like, we've got all this
stuff sitting here, but we

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don't have the flux
capacitor. Yeah,

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you know, Dave, what has
shifted now, because that

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was sort of the early
problem. Most

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recently, most of the
people I talked to anyways,

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it's more of a capacity
problem now than demand and

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they ran but manufacturing
fast enough to fill the

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demand. Yeah.
Yeah. So,

466
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,120
you know, I talked with
the CEO of Digico recently

467
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,360
and, you know, he told me,
like, we don't have supply

468
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,980
chain problems anymore. It's
just we have capacity

469
00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:39,160
problems because our demand
has gotten so big. And,

470
00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:42,060
you know, at what point do
you look at your factory

471
00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:45,840
and go, we need to double
the size, you know, because

472
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,040
it's not going. Is
it going to keep going? We

473
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,760
don't know. I
mean, I've shifted my views

474
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520
on that too, to where I
do think this is a

475
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,740
sustainable growth pattern
that we're in right now.

476
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,260
Like
I didn't for the longest

477
00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:02,380
time, I kept saying, you
know, the wheels are going

478
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,700
to come off this thing and
we're going to kind of go

479
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:06,480
back down and flatten out
again. But

480
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,020
I don't know, man, the
appetite for live music, as

481
00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:13,940
you know, is just insane
right now. It's

482
00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:17,020
huge, you know, and, you
know, everyone want to go

483
00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:19,320
out and the buildings are
having the same struggles

484
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,080
like, holy shit, capacity,
supply, demand. There's

485
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,320
only so many places that,
you know, they can route

486
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,320
in and, you know, with pro
sports being as they are,

487
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,200
you know, the inventory on
the venues are, you know,

488
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,320
it's, I don't know that
it's an issue, but it's

489
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,600
definitely a concern. Well,
I hear it is an issue.

490
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,060
Yeah,
you know, I was talking to

491
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:41,700
a promoter the other day
and, you know, that's one

492
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:43,880
of the power moves that's
happening right now is

493
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,240
where, you know, Live
Nation obviously is making

494
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,700
their power moves on
venues, but smaller

495
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:54,120
promoters are just getting
squeezed to a point where,

496
00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:56,920
you know, it's either an
Indian tribe that owns the

497
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,260
local market or it's Live
Nation or it's someone

498
00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:03,260
else, but the smaller
independent promoters are

499
00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:05,640
really struggling to hang
onto venues right now

500
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,180
because... Yeah,
no question. There's

501
00:26:08,188 --> 00:26:11,020
gold in them, their
buildings, you know? Yeah.

502
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,120
I was just talking with
somebody within, maybe it

503
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,220
was yesterday or something,
one of the pot, oh yeah,

504
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:21,560
it was, it was yesterday.
And

505
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,720
we were talking about
basically with the move to

506
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,420
stadiums now for all of
the large shows, again,

507
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,880
just to hit the demand or
try to hit the demand. I

508
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,780
don't think that's going
away now either. Like

509
00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:38,460
it seems like there's 75
,000 people that want to

510
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:41,500
see, you know, Elton John
or whoever. I

511
00:26:41,508 --> 00:26:44,940
mean, it doesn't even have
to be the A list. It

512
00:26:44,948 --> 00:26:48,080
could be the A minus or B
plus list right now too,

513
00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:50,560
or getting those stadium
gigs. And

514
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,940
how they package them too,
you know? Exactly.

515
00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:57,920
You know, like the Guns N'
Roses, Depp Lepper, Steve

516
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,780
Miller, blah, blah, blah,
you know, add your three

517
00:26:59,780 --> 00:27:02,440
acts below. That's,
you know, that's a

518
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,180
promoter's dream and the
support acts dream because

519
00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:06,860
they don't have to carry
all the gear. No

520
00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:10,780
kidding. Yeah.
But you know, we were

521
00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:13,960
talking about sort of how
it's repurposing these

522
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,840
stadiums to where, you
know, stadiums might have

523
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,780
NFL games or soccer games
or whatever, you know,

524
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:26,000
whatever, 25 times a year,
30 times a year. But

525
00:27:27,159 --> 00:27:32,100
concerts are so much more,
they have the ability to

526
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:34,880
really keep those stadiums
busy a lot more. So

527
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560
now we're going to see not
only more stadiums being

528
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,000
built, but the stadiums
being designed to sound

529
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,780
better because let's face
it, they sound like crap,

530
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,860
you know. Nashville
is a good, you know, is a

531
00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:50,380
good example of the new
multi -billion dot whatever.

532
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,180
That's,
you know, the move to have

533
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:54,580
it more, you know, how
sexy can it be to be

534
00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:57,280
indoor and outdoor? You
know, because then that

535
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,900
just, you know, as we all
know, weather, yeah,

536
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,480
weather's a thing, you
know. Yeah.

537
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,420
Well, and even the ability
to have like half a roof

538
00:28:04,420 --> 00:28:06,620
so that you could hang a
rig from it, you know, you

539
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:10,240
could, you could, you know,
I mean, that kind of stuff

540
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,300
is going to start being
thought up because I think

541
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:16,320
now we're going to be over
50 % of these arenas are

542
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,480
going to be booked with
concerts as opposed to

543
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,280
sporting events. So,
hey, you know, they're

544
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,480
going to go where the
money is, obviously. But

545
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,860
it's an interesting topic
and, you know, you see

546
00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:29,200
Metallica like at this
stage of their career. I

547
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:32,200
had Dan Brown on the
podcast last week and we

548
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,720
were talking about it at
this stage of their career.

549
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:36,000
They're
doing two nights in

550
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,180
stadiums. Yep.
It's, it's wild, you know,

551
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:41,860
wild. If
you would have told me in

552
00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:46,240
1974 or 78 or something
that, that Metallica was

553
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,440
going to be doing stadiums
in 2024, I would have been

554
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,020
like, what? Yeah,
talk about the, if I was

555
00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:55,740
going to live this long
and I take a better care

556
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:57,800
of myself. Exactly.
Yeah. Look

557
00:28:57,808 --> 00:28:59,780
at the shit. Look
at the stones. You

558
00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:02,120
know, they're outdoing it.
Unreal.

559
00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:05,940
I think it's awesome. The
funny thing is everyone is

560
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,480
getting to that age now.
You

561
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,320
know, it's like, I just
saw that, what's his name

562
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,600
from the Almond Brothers
died today, I guess. What's

563
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,440
his name? The
guitar player, Betz. Oh,

564
00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:20,940
I didn't know that. Yeah.
Yeah. He

565
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:23,820
died today. Dickie.
80 years old, you know,

566
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,220
but you don't think that
he's 80 years old, right?

567
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,360
And,
you know, when, when Cosmo

568
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,560
told me, I think last year
or something, Cosmo goes,

569
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,920
Marcel, you want to feel
old? And

570
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,080
I said, what? And
he said, everyone is in

571
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Aerosmith is in their 70s.
And

572
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,060
I was like, what? You
got to be kidding me.

573
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Yeah.
It's true. It's

574
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,060
true. You
know, so. Just

575
00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:48,420
goes to show you the old
guys have still got it,

576
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,420
Marcel. Yeah.
They have an apple pie

577
00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:54,500
form, you know. Yeah.
So, I mean, opening, like

578
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:59,620
we said, the timing being
during this, not during the

579
00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:01,800
pandemic, I mean, you
geared up during the

580
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,900
pandemic, but post pandemic
is really when you built

581
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,660
this business. And,
you know, like the old

582
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,680
saying, you know, building
the airplane in the air,

583
00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:14,600
you know, while you're
flying it. That's

584
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,880
really what you did.
Because

585
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,580
you had to hit the ground
running. I

586
00:30:17,588 --> 00:30:20,320
mean, you guys were
immediately doing lots and

587
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,500
lots of work, right? Yeah,
we, we were very fortunate.

588
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,880
And,
you know, and, you know,

589
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,320
the, like you say, not to
sound too cliche, it takes

590
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,180
a village, you know, and
the people that we had

591
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:33,660
involved, we were very
fortunate at the time to

592
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:36,100
be able to get some,
recruit some really high

593
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:39,400
class and very talented
people, you know, all the

594
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,860
way down, you know, to
help us build this thing

595
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:44,040
and, you know, having the,
having the relationships

596
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040
with the manufacturers for
so long helps, you know,

597
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,320
to be able to get all
that gear. But

598
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,280
it's, you know, I can't
say enough about, you know,

599
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,140
on the production services
side of things, that the

600
00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:56,640
team that we've assembled
and they're continuing to

601
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,120
assemble, you know, we've,
we're adding new people to

602
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,360
the team all the time. And
it's just, it's, it's very

603
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,960
good, positive, organic
growth. And

604
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,800
that's kind of how, you
know, the, I use the term

605
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,660
boutique plus, you know,
and everybody's like, well,

606
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,660
hell, you're not boutique,
look at the amount of shit

607
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:16,880
that you own. It's
just like, well, the

608
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,200
boutique thing for us is
more of a mentality of how

609
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,500
we deal, you know, we're
selling one thing, we sell

610
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,640
customer service. And,
you know, and I'm, I'm all

611
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,140
about, you know, the bigger
guys that have hundreds of

612
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:30,000
accounts and that's
fantastic. But

613
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,800
we kind of built this
company with one thing in

614
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,100
mind was customer service
to where, you know, people

615
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:39,680
don't feel like they're a
number, they feel like

616
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,640
there's a relationship. And
as you, you know, the, you

617
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,200
know, the additive of you
build the machine, but be

618
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680
careful, you know, instead
of the machine feeding you,

619
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:50,140
it starts eating you at a
certain tipping point, you

620
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:53,420
know, and being able to
manage that level of the

621
00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:56,700
growth, I think is the
most exciting and difficult

622
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:59,340
thing at the same time,
you know, because we're,

623
00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:02,400
we're not planning on
being, you know, to the

624
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440
level of some of the big
guys, you know, it's just

625
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,720
not in the cards, we
don't, we don't ever plan

626
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,800
to expand into that level.
Yeah.

627
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Oh, you're not going to
open 42 locations in every

628
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,280
country and no, sir, no,
sir. No,

629
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:17,620
it's true. You
know, that's, you know, my

630
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:19,560
favorite thing in this
business is strategic

631
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,140
alliances, you know, and,
and I think the more of

632
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:25,600
those, and I mean, that's
a whole subject onto itself

633
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,140
of how the, you know, the,
what I call the, the

634
00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:32,760
independence, if we will,
you know, going up against,

635
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:35,580
you know, the large people,
Claire and those people

636
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:38,360
that have just built an
incredible, you know, trying

637
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,160
to have an incredible model
with everything they've

638
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,920
done, but it's just, you
know, it's the, it's the

639
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,480
800 pound gorilla, you
know, them and there's

640
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,320
three or four of those and
who knows who knows who's

641
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,140
going to be acquired by
who in the next six

642
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:54,180
months, you know, that's
true. Yeah.

643
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:56,980
Well, I mean, there's one,
you know, four wall,

644
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,340
obviously, something's going
on there. You

645
00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:02,540
know, there's definitely
more deals to be done.

646
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:03,820
Like
there's, there's blood in

647
00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:06,480
the water right now, I
think, and there's a lot

648
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,620
of sort of liquid capital.
There's

649
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:12,840
a lot of money that's
sitting that people are

650
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,480
sitting on right now,
because the markets have

651
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,380
been so screwy and interest
rates are so high and all

652
00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:21,220
of those things. But
as that starts to sort of

653
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:23,760
level off again, and we
get past this crazy

654
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,720
election that's coming up,
I think that I think

655
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,820
you're just going to see
just a nutty market where

656
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:35,120
manufacturers get bought by
other manufacturers and a

657
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
lot more rental companies
rolling up and stuff. So

658
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,200
the big will get bigger. I
think you're right about

659
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,060
that one. Yeah,
I like the, I like the

660
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:45,940
small aspect, you know, the
boutique size. There's,

661
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:49,840
there's truly a, there's
truly a space for players

662
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,420
of our size and, and, you
know, the hundreds of other

663
00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:54,240
companies that are our size
in this country. And

664
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,980
there's a place for the
big guys too. You

665
00:33:55,988 --> 00:33:58,920
know, it's, I think it's a
guy we all have enough to

666
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,900
work. No
one's killing each other in

667
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,780
the crossfire here. You
know, we all have enough

668
00:34:02,780 --> 00:34:04,920
to do. I
completely agree with you.

669
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,700
And,
you know, there's, there's

670
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:11,679
so much growth out there
too that, you know, yeah,

671
00:34:11,739 --> 00:34:14,659
you don't, I mean, you do
have to be big in that

672
00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:17,580
it's so capital intensive
right now. Like

673
00:34:17,587 --> 00:34:20,960
you couldn't do what you
guys are doing without a

674
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,460
really strong backer and,
you know, banks or whoever

675
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:28,800
is continuing to support
that growth. I

676
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,719
mean, the money these days
is totally different than

677
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,460
it used to be where you
could just kind of start

678
00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:36,260
it in your garage and then
move into a little shop

679
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:39,179
and then move into a
slightly bigger shop. You

680
00:34:39,179 --> 00:34:41,840
wouldn't be able to compete
doing that stuff today. To

681
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,500
quote one of my dear
friends, Mr. Ed

682
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:48,780
Wannabeau, entertainment's
not cheap, son. He

683
00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:52,900
ain't wrong. Completely
true. Yep.

684
00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:57,660
But, you know, any, any
specific sort of learnings

685
00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:00,340
along the way while you,
you built this thing again,

686
00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:03,240
during this market that
just kind of had a hockey

687
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,880
stick curve all of a
sudden, like you probably

688
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,280
thought, I would guess that
you thought coming out the

689
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,740
gate, you were going to
end methodically because

690
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:16,620
we're just coming out of
COVID and then bam, you

691
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:20,120
know. Yeah,
it, it, it hits and it

692
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,560
hit hard, you know, the
beauty of this business is,

693
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:25,860
you know, you can, you can
try and plan as much as

694
00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:29,140
you think that you can,
but there's always these

695
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:32,780
curve balls and, you know,
how do we, you know, I

696
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,000
think the most important
thing for me, what I look

697
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,480
for is, as I refer to
strategic alliances, how can

698
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,540
we help the bigger guys,
you know, and looking into

699
00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:44,400
second, you know, secondary
markets, things that are,

700
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,460
that require the gear that
we have that's not

701
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:49,320
necessarily a concert tour.
I

702
00:35:49,328 --> 00:35:52,540
mean, there's so much of
the tertiary stuff that,

703
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:55,260
you know, I'm, I'm putting
a lot of my focus into

704
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:57,440
that as well. Of
course, we all have tours

705
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,640
and tours put a lot of
gear out for a long time,

706
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,740
but there's, you know,
other things out there, you

707
00:36:02,740 --> 00:36:04,740
know, like the, like the
professional bull riders,

708
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:07,520
for instance, they're, you
know, a very, very strong

709
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,340
and solid account for us,
but, you know, those guys

710
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:13,420
have got 50 week a year
CBS television contracts.

711
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,680
They're,
they're on the air and

712
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,200
they're doing the show, you
know, every single week.

713
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Yeah.
I mean, that's the thing.

714
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920
It's
not just concerts that

715
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,700
people have such an
appetite for. It's

716
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,900
live events of every kind,
whether it's sporting events

717
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,540
or, I mean, look at
Formula One, like, you

718
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:32,480
know, it was my, or it's
my son's birthday tomorrow

719
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,180
and he's a big racing guy
and I went to the mall. I

720
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:39,000
went to the mall to look
for stuff for him and like

721
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,820
every like youth fashion
store, like Hollister and

722
00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:46,600
American Eagle and all of
those types of stores, they

723
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,640
all have Formula One either
branding or Formula One

724
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,880
driver branding or racing,
like Ford logos and stuff.

725
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:58,360
Racing
is nuts in this country

726
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
now. Like
it's just getting huge. No,

727
00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:05,020
no doubt about it. And
you know, the, what's

728
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:07,280
happened, you know, in
racing, even in, in, in,

729
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,860
in, to reference like PBR,
for instance, the, even

730
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:15,860
five years ago, the, the,
the consumer has gotten so

731
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:20,640
educated on what's good and
what their expectation is

732
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,640
of a show, even for, you
know, said, okay, they get

733
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,520
out, they, you know,
they're bucking bulls,

734
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:29,360
they're riding, but now
they, you know, where's the

735
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,920
300 moving lights and
where's the gigantic video

736
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,120
screen that's showing me
the countdown clock and the

737
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,260
replay, the banner boards
and I think that's just

738
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:39,420
kind of gotten everywhere.
The

739
00:37:39,428 --> 00:37:42,280
general public, the ticket
buying people, God bless

740
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,060
them, every one, you know,
that keep us all employed

741
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,760
have gotten so much more
educated. That's

742
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,680
probably the word that I
like to use of their

743
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,400
expectations are high, you
know, if they, they want

744
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,280
to see a show that's, you
know, this two trusses of

745
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,500
lights doesn't get it
anymore. No,

746
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,160
no, they're fortunately for
us. I

747
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560
mean, like again, going
back to F1, if you look

748
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,760
at what they did in Vegas
last year, you know,

749
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,560
massive, it was massive and
like every light, every

750
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,420
speaker on a stick, every
piece of gear in Vegas,

751
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:20,200
every piece of truss, every
LED panel was rented and I

752
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,380
mean, it was just
completely nuts. And

753
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:26,460
I know so many people both
in and outside our industry

754
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:29,380
and inside the racing
industry as well, who just

755
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:30,960
said, this is a shit show.
They're

756
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,860
gonna, they're gonna pull
the plug on this thing.

757
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,460
And
I think they re -upped for

758
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:36,800
even longer, you know,
because it was such a

759
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,580
success year, of course,
massive success, you know,

760
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,460
and did they make mistakes?
Absolutely.

761
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,000
Will next year be better?
Absolutely.

762
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:48,840
But, but that ain't going
anywhere. I

763
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,600
mean, one of the biggest
spectacles there is in one

764
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,720
of the craziest cities
there is, it makes nothing

765
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,860
but sense, you know,
logistically, is it hard to

766
00:38:57,860 --> 00:39:00,920
close down, you know, Las
Vegas Boulevard for a

767
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,860
couple of weeks? Sure.
We all joked about that.

768
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,280
It's
like, this thing, if you

769
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,020
were Joe Blow off the
streets of, hey, I got an

770
00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:10,220
event and I just want to
shut the strip down for

771
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:12,960
two weeks. How
much does that cost? I

772
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,220
don't think there's, there's
not enough PE money on

773
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:17,380
earth that can even bat
them back. No

774
00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:19,180
kidding. I
mean, but shit, they did

775
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:20,220
it. Kudos
to them. They

776
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:21,820
did it and did it well.
And

777
00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:27,100
I had people offer me, you
know, tickets, invite to a

778
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,360
suite or whatever. You
couldn't have got me to

779
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,300
Nevada, let alone to Las
Vegas. I

780
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,480
mean, you couldn't have got
me to the Western U S at

781
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,980
that moment. I
wanted nothing to do with

782
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:41,220
that, you know, plus for
me racing, because I've

783
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:43,700
been around it for as long
as I have, and I watch it

784
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:46,380
very closely and I'm
watching for small nuances

785
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:48,860
and stuff. You
can't see that while you're

786
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:51,940
sitting holding a drink in
the stands or whatever. You

787
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:55,060
have an inside track to it
per se and congrats on

788
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:56,880
your son's success too.
Good

789
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,920
God. He's,
thank you. He's,

790
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,060
he's done all right. That
boy's, he's doing damn

791
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:02,460
good. You
should be proud. I

792
00:40:02,468 --> 00:40:03,760
know you are proud of him.
Well,

793
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:06,440
maybe you could introduce
him to your boss over

794
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,440
there and they can connect
somehow, because his

795
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,580
father's run out of money
to promote a racing driver.

796
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:18,260
So
he needs help at this

797
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:20,980
point, for sure. But
now he's, he's driving

798
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:22,780
amazing and he's having fun
doing it. He

799
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:25,660
was just in England again
this past weekend racing.

800
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,520
So
yeah, he's having fun. But

801
00:40:28,528 --> 00:40:35,200
so when, when, so I know
that, that Gateway

802
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,460
officially opens this year,
right? The

803
00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:40,400
studios and the new
buildings and all that

804
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,480
stuff. Fingers
crossed. Yeah.

805
00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:45,420
We will be. We
will be this year, for

806
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:47,140
sure. When
do you actually move the

807
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:50,240
production buildings over
like the production company?

808
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:52,040
Great
question. We,

809
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:54,460
we're actually in process
of doing that. The

810
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:57,420
production company is going
to house just a few miles

811
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:59,620
away from there. We're
not going to be on site.

812
00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:01,400
We're
actually moving in. Yeah,

813
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:03,820
we're moving into a new
warehouse right now or

814
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:08,660
we're transitioning into it
into 115 ,000 square feet,

815
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:11,640
I think, from where we
were closer to because the,

816
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,980
I mean, obviously keeping
them separate is good, but

817
00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:17,840
holy shit, the cost of
that real estate in

818
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,640
Chesterfield, Missouri, where
we're building that studio

819
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,160
is crazy, you know, crazy
amount. So

820
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,900
yeah, we're, that's already
in process and we're, we're

821
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,840
moving out of the two, the
two that we were in and

822
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,000
into, into one, getting
everybody under one roof.

823
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,540
We're
just so excited when you

824
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:36,040
have disciplines that are
in different buildings,

825
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,780
although it's, as you know,
it's only 50 yards away,

826
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:41,540
but still a pain in the
ass, especially when it's

827
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:43,840
raining. Yeah.
Yeah. No,

828
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,100
I mean, I, I completely
understand and agree. And

829
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,860
yeah, but that move is,
we're hoping for, for May,

830
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Steve Washington, as you,
as you know, Steve's been

831
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
championing, championing that
whole, as he's done many

832
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,720
times with many other
companies. So

833
00:41:58,727 --> 00:42:00,900
I'm so blessed and
fortunate to have him on

834
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,100
our team. Steve's
a cool guy. Take

835
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:07,560
that please. Yeah.
And he's done it. Yes,

836
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:09,180
he is. Yeah.
I mean, you guys have an

837
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:11,760
incredible amount of
experience and talent and

838
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,780
stuff. Like
again, you know, you look

839
00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:16,280
like geniuses at this point
because you, you put

840
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,520
together this, this large
group of really great

841
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,960
leadership and people back
before there was any money

842
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,680
being made, you know, and
so that's, you know,

843
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,860
that's, that's vision and
foresight and, and all of

844
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:35,680
those things, which could
have gone badly and

845
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,040
certainly hasn't. So
far so good. Knocking

846
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,620
on, knocking on wood. Yeah.
Yeah. No,

847
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:45,220
it's super cool. So
those are moving in now.

848
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:47,980
And
then when do you expect

849
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:52,160
for the studios to open? I
think that we're, right

850
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,640
now, we're tracking, I hate
to sound so nebulous, but

851
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,300
this year for sure, we're
hoping maybe the end of

852
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:03,760
Q3, first of Q, of Q4 to
what we're in. But

853
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,140
the biggest thing is
there's, there's so many

854
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:09,320
parts. It's
not just a black box. It's

855
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,580
like the permitting, the
security, the, the kitchen,

856
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:16,000
the catering, the labor
staff. Yeah.

857
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,000
You don't want to get
Beyonce in there and have

858
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,900
a bad experience, you know,
as your first client or

859
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:24,160
something, right? No,
we're going to totally,

860
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,700
yeah, we're definitely going
to run the traps and, you

861
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:29,860
know, have people in there
before, you know, we take

862
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:32,340
on, where there's a lot,
thank God, there's a lot

863
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:35,060
of interest in people
coming, you know, we're

864
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:37,960
just having to be very,
you know, very, very

865
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,240
calculated on when we take
holds and until, until we

866
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,300
know, but the progress is,
it's, you know, all the

867
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,940
walls are up now,
everything's up, the steel

868
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:49,420
on the, you should come
and see, it's, I get there

869
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:52,340
every couple of weeks and
I'm just astounded at the

870
00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:54,640
progress that's made, it's
just, there's nothing left

871
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,640
to the imagination now. You
can physically walk through

872
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,420
all the buildings, all the
space and it's just like,

873
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:04,560
holy shit, what have we
done here? Cosmo

874
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,960
had taken me over to the,
before the ground was even

875
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,840
broken at all. It
was just like, oh, look,

876
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,100
over there is where the
building is. And

877
00:44:12,107 --> 00:44:17,020
I've been following, I
follow Gateway on, on all

878
00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:18,780
the different socials, so
I've been seeing your

879
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:20,100
pictures. There
was an update, I think,

880
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,540
yesterday, just looks
incredible, you know, but

881
00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:27,540
photos do not do it, I
mean, you say that, but

882
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:30,820
it's the photos and the
videos that you see online

883
00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:35,440
don't do it any, when you
actually get there and sit

884
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080
in the middle of it and
just go, whoa. Especially

885
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,400
the big one, huh? Yes,
studio 80s. It's

886
00:44:42,408 --> 00:44:45,980
got to be impressive. Well,
all the studio support

887
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:48,180
spaces and everything that
we, you know, you design

888
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:50,820
and as you well know, or
so, when you, when you

889
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:53,300
live in paper and CAD
drawings and computer

890
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,480
screens, you know, like,
oh, well, that, that looks

891
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,280
like that's going to be
pretty good size. And

892
00:44:57,288 --> 00:45:00,500
then, you know, the studio
support spaces, now that

893
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,700
that's roofed in, you're
just like, my God, you

894
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:07,040
know, there's nothing small.
It's

895
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,220
like Texas, Texas based
building in Missouri, I

896
00:45:10,227 --> 00:45:12,800
guess. What's
interesting though, like we

897
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,260
were just talking about
venue shortages and stuff,

898
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,540
but rehearsal shortage is a
real thing. Like

899
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:21,500
I was, I had Mickey
Kervishly on the podcast

900
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:23,580
recently, and he was
talking about that, you

901
00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:26,440
know, the touring is
growing so much, but right

902
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,900
now it's becoming a real
problem, not just for gear

903
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,040
and people, but for
rehearsal space is really

904
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,980
becoming a problem as much
as has been built recently.

905
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,140
Yeah.
And it is getting ready to

906
00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:39,420
be built. You
know, yeah. Others

907
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:41,480
are, you know, others are
coming online as well,

908
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,660
which just tells that
there's a demand, you know,

909
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,980
is that Nashville one real
the elevation or something?

910
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,420
I
think that went by the

911
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:53,520
wayside, but I believe that
there's the, the Littitz

912
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,120
group, the Rock Littitz
group is definitely planning

913
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,320
on building a couple rooms
in Nashville. As

914
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,000
they would, yeah. Yeah.
I remember the elevation

915
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,820
ones, right, either right
before or right after you

916
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:07,000
guys announced, they came
out with pretty bold plans,

917
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,380
but I guess that fell
apart. Yeah,

918
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:11,480
that one. And
then there was one here in

919
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,800
Hendersonville that was
going to go up, you know,

920
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:16,380
film and TV thing. And
I think that kind of fell

921
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:18,980
by. Interesting.
You know, the, you can

922
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:21,480
only get, you know, in the
Nashville market, there's

923
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,680
very few places. The
Annex is gone, is going

924
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,360
away there at the arena.
Municipal,

925
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:28,660
you can only book a couple
days, you know, and

926
00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:30,980
Scott's, you know, Scott's
got his place over there

927
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:33,480
at the steel mill still,
but there's very limited

928
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,880
spaces now that you can go
in and do this. Well,

929
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,920
good for you. We're,
we're, we're, we're banking

930
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,060
on it, brother. Trust
me. Have

931
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:42,560
you guys got extra space
just in case you need to

932
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,420
expand? Have
you got expansion room?

933
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,120
Yes,
we do. Yeah,

934
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:50,080
we've, um, construction. Oh
yeah. Yeah.

935
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,220
Our owner is, you know,
has, has, we'll just say

936
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:56,260
has, has been buying some
pretty good chunks of

937
00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:59,600
property in a very, very
close proximity to us.

938
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:00,740
Well,
I mean, you guys have

939
00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:03,440
proven over the past few
years that this is real,

940
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,440
you know, that, that
there's money to be made

941
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,020
and that there's, you know,
that Gateway is a real

942
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:11,680
company and you guys are
real people and, and this

943
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,400
is going to be successful.
So

944
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,360
it takes a while, you
know, when are you brave,

945
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:17,900
when are you brave enough
to book an act in for

946
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,420
rehearsals? I
would, by the end of this

947
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:25,360
year, I think, I think Q4,
you know, so if I called

948
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,320
you and I had enough
money, you'd book me in

949
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,580
October 15th. Yes,
we would take, we consider

950
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:36,080
the hold, you know, it's,
it's so fluid and I hate

951
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,400
to say, you know, Nebulus
about the day, but there's

952
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,160
so many factors, you know,
the, the lion's share of

953
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,220
the big chunk of the
building is done, but now,

954
00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:46,320
you know, the, the finished
stuff, as you know, you

955
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,280
know, it's like, it's like
building your house. You

956
00:47:48,288 --> 00:47:51,560
get it framed in the sheet
rocks and you're like, holy

957
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,220
shit, we're going to be in
30 days and now the

958
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:57,240
cabinets are 40 days late.
There's

959
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,620
just so many components,
but yeah, we're hoping, you

960
00:48:00,620 --> 00:48:02,140
know, towards the end of
this year, towards the end

961
00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:05,020
of this year and hopefully,
you know, Q3, if things go

962
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:07,400
well, you know, that's
gotta be a bit nerve

963
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,200
-wracking though, because
like, I wouldn't want it,

964
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,040
I wouldn't want it to say,
hey, Beyonce, yeah, you can

965
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,180
have the building October
15th and then you gotta

966
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:19,900
pull it away. No,
we're just saying, you

967
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:23,540
know, this year is, and,
you know, hoping for the

968
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:25,520
best, but, you know, the
biggest thing is, as we

969
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,220
discussed earlier, Marcel,
is that you have to make

970
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:30,820
sure it's right, you know,
the catering alone. I

971
00:48:30,828 --> 00:48:34,220
mean, we've got a 7 ,500
square foot kitchen being

972
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:36,760
built in here. That
is wild. Just

973
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,400
not alone, you know, those
little components that

974
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,800
people don't think about,
it's like, okay, how do

975
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,080
you ramp up to cook, you
know, potentially 6, 700,

976
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,820
800 meals a day right out
of the chute? And

977
00:48:47,828 --> 00:48:50,560
as we all know, catering
is pretty damned important.

978
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:52,700
It
is, yeah. Huh.

979
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,020
Extremely important. So
did you guys hire somebody

980
00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:59,400
from the catering world to
do that or just somebody

981
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,080
from the restaurant business
or? It's

982
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,280
a little bit of both. I
think they were very close

983
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,480
to locking down, but it's
good, you know, someone

984
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,360
from the concert business
for sure. That's

985
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,460
the idea. But,
you know, there's other

986
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:13,980
things that you have to
consider in these studios

987
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:16,640
is, of course, you know,
we're catering to the rock

988
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,220
and roll acts, but the
film and television side of

989
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:21,840
things is all, you know,
very similar to concert

990
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,060
catering, but private
events, you know, you can

991
00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:29,800
go from everything to, you
know, a Chick -fil -A

992
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,240
sandwich a la to, you
know, Chateau Brion and,

993
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,060
you know, whatever for a
high -end corporate event,

994
00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:38,300
you know, like if a large
company wanted to have

995
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,500
their shareholder meeting in
there. Yeah,

996
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:41,340
I never thought of that.
That'll

997
00:49:41,340 --> 00:49:45,040
be a big deal too. Yeah.
So that's, you know,

998
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,260
catering to the, you know,
that's a big business.

999
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:50,400
Yeah.
Somebody could hire the Foo

1000
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,860
Fighters for their 50th
birthday party or something

1001
00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:56,000
and do it there with your
catering business. That's

1002
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,300
wild. That
is going to be such a

1003
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:01,480
successful business. I
got to get up there before

1004
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,800
it opens and get a look
around before it's too busy

1005
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,180
and I won't be able to
look around. Yeah,

1006
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:10,280
well, please come anytime
and anybody who's listening

1007
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,300
out there and geezers and
give me a buzz, you know,

1008
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:16,980
we're giving tours now, you
know, you really have to

1009
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:18,380
see it. You
have to walk it to kind

1010
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:19,880
of get the size of the
scope. Yeah,

1011
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,340
I definitely want to get
up there and see it

1012
00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:25,680
because like I said, I saw
when it was dirt and I

1013
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,340
want to see it now, but
that's going to be

1014
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:29,700
exciting. I
mean, it's just going to

1015
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:32,980
be another exciting
component to the whole

1016
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:38,360
gateway business. And
I had Jeff Cranfield, I

1017
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,020
recorded yesterday and, you
know, their concert stuff

1018
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:46,680
thing is really interesting
how they just added all

1019
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,080
these different components.
Oh,

1020
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,320
well, we need extra, you
know, somebody needs tour

1021
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,500
buses really. Oh,
okay, well, let's have a

1022
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,060
tour bus company, you know,
chairs and barricade and

1023
00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:00,560
Jim, it's a great, it's a,
it's another, it's another

1024
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,440
out of the box thinking
conglomeration, you know,

1025
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:06,040
they've all, they've all
done very well with that.

1026
00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:07,540
Yeah,
we don't need a hundred

1027
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:09,820
million dollar lighting
company. We

1028
00:51:09,828 --> 00:51:12,120
want a hundred million
dollar group of companies

1029
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,740
or whatever, right? So
with each of them being

1030
00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:18,360
profitable in their own
right, but maybe not the

1031
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,700
biggest, this company or
the biggest that company,

1032
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:23,940
but they're all very good
and customer service focused

1033
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:27,900
and all that stuff. But
strategic alliances. Yeah.

1034
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,200
You know, one of the
things that I thought was

1035
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,300
really interesting when I
had your whole group on

1036
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:36,000
the podcast a couple of
years ago is that you've

1037
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:43,100
got like a management by a
collaborative approach where,

1038
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,880
you know, it was like four
guys or what is it still

1039
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,800
the same basic approach?
The

1040
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,860
approach is exactly the
same and the team's just

1041
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,460
gotten bigger, you know.
But

1042
00:51:56,460 --> 00:52:00,840
the way that, you know,
Trey, our CEO and our

1043
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,640
owner and, you know,
everybody involved with us

1044
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,740
have got a very, you know,
it's hard to say, it's not

1045
00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:12,240
a dictatorship by any
stretch, it's a committee

1046
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,320
and we all, you know,
everybody has their areas

1047
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,480
of expertise. And
fortunately, the people that

1048
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,340
we have involved, you know,
the Andy Gerber or Steve

1049
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:25,220
Washington's, you know,
Cosmos, Kevin Hoyle, all

1050
00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:27,120
these people that have come
from different disciplines

1051
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,120
with a great deal of
experience, we all lean

1052
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,700
very heavily. You
know, Brian Karp, who's our

1053
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,600
COO, comes from the venue
side of things, you know,

1054
00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:37,580
the live nation for so
many years. And

1055
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:40,680
it's just a great melding
pot to where we, you know,

1056
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,880
we all get together bi
-weekly and have our

1057
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,160
executive leadership team
meetings, if you will, and

1058
00:52:46,879 --> 00:52:49,920
kind of hash everything out
from every perspective, you

1059
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,680
know, and it's not cliche,
but it's, you know, it's

1060
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,160
built the company and the
buildings where it's built

1061
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,260
by production people or
production people. Yeah.

1062
00:53:00,340 --> 00:53:03,660
So when you go into those
meetings, does everyone just

1063
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:07,060
basically, from each
discipline, brings their,

1064
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,760
you know, two biggest
problems or two biggest

1065
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,520
opportunities or whatever,
and you kind of throw it

1066
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,040
all in the center of the
table and everyone discusses

1067
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,220
it and you kind of do it
like a board meeting. It

1068
00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:23,060
is a board meeting. That's
kind of the, you know, the

1069
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:26,780
executive teams, you know,
that we have are kind of

1070
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:28,160
that we are the board.
We're

1071
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,980
running the company, we're
selling the company, we're,

1072
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:33,700
you know, building the
company and discussing

1073
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:37,140
everything as a group,
because it's just, it's

1074
00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:39,260
just so much easier, you
know, and it's fun to be

1075
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:41,680
in business with people
that you like, you know,

1076
00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:45,580
and so many companies as,
you know, it doesn't happen

1077
00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:48,460
that way all the time, you
know. We've

1078
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:52,380
been able to keep this
boutique both in size and

1079
00:53:52,380 --> 00:53:55,380
in, in operas, you know,
operations and management

1080
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:59,820
and execution to a group,
a nice, a nice group of

1081
00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:02,860
people and hopefully, knock
on wood, that will be able

1082
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:05,420
to continue to support that
for many, many years to

1083
00:54:05,420 --> 00:54:08,320
come, but this, this style
of management. Yeah.

1084
00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:10,920
Yeah, it's, it's very cool.
I

1085
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,440
mean, it's, you know, I've
always struggled with, I

1086
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,520
wouldn't say the, the
democratic approach to

1087
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,960
running a company or
whatever, but like when, I

1088
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,040
guess I've always just been
such a, an entrepreneur

1089
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,880
that whenever anybody wants
to slow me down, I get

1090
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,540
frustrated right away. So
I don't know that, that

1091
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:34,700
I'd always, I guess if
it's somebody else's

1092
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:38,060
company, because I sit on
some boards and when it's,

1093
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:39,720
me too. Yeah.
When it's someone else's

1094
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,140
company, it's much easier
than when it's my own.

1095
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,440
Sure.
If I, if I have my own

1096
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,840
company and a, and a group
of people making decisions

1097
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,280
like that, it's, it's a
bit more frustrating, but

1098
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,140
or somebody has to be the
boss, you know, somebody

1099
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:55,280
has to be the boss, but
well, and at the end of

1100
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,940
the day, that's the role I
like, you know, it is.

1101
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:00,480
Yeah.
I like living and dying by

1102
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,480
my decisions, you know,
and, and I take

1103
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,880
responsibility for them
regardless of who screwed

1104
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,060
up down the line, you
know. So

1105
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,780
one of the things that I
think I just, you know,

1106
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,440
woke up from a year long
sleep or something, but I

1107
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,260
just read this morning,
because a live design sent

1108
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:23,780
out an article about fish
doing this little residency

1109
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:27,180
in the sphere. Yeah.
Short. They

1110
00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:30,420
start, they start tonight,
as a matter of fact.

1111
00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:31,740
Tonight
is, tonight's the first

1112
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:34,460
show. Yeah.
So you guys have

1113
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:36,940
involvement in that? I
think that's a great way.

1114
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,660
Yeah.
Yeah, it is. We

1115
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:43,360
do, we, on the touring
side, we provide the video

1116
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,900
and all of the lighting
and the rigging for fish

1117
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:49,760
on their tours. Okay.
And so they don't need any

1118
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,380
video I heard for this
one. Well,

1119
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,700
which is really, and
they've hired, you know,

1120
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,680
Abby's coming in to be the
creative one. It's

1121
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,060
another great, I'm not in
it every day, you know,

1122
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,920
much like our CEO, Trey,
the video director for

1123
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,100
them. And
Jesse is obviously the

1124
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:09,440
production manager and Gary
Brown is on our team now

1125
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,820
is in operations. Video
director. Oh

1126
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:14,960
my goodness. So
I'd love to hear what that

1127
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,980
has been like. It's,
well, and there's, there's

1128
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:21,460
a lot of creative people
brought in because obviously

1129
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:24,020
the band wants it to be,
you know, every bit of the

1130
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:26,000
spectacle it could be. I
can't speak for the band

1131
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,240
by any stretch, but, you
know, there's a, it's going

1132
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,920
to be, it's going to be
an amazing four events. I

1133
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,680
know that for a fact,
because if you think about

1134
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,820
it, it's kind of re
birthing something new. Fish

1135
00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:40,600
is a band who predominantly
the visual element is

1136
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,020
lights. Always
has been Chris Corota and

1137
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:47,520
GIF absolute masters at
that thing that they've

1138
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,680
developed as fish. So
take the big lighting show

1139
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,500
out of the equation. Yeah.
And also a band, fish,

1140
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:57,620
when I say we do the
video, we have a, we have

1141
00:56:57,620 --> 00:57:00,280
a broadcast trailer that
Trey's cutting like 20

1142
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,480
something cameras a night
for fish just to stream.

1143
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,040
There's
no video screens. Fish

1144
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,240
historically never has video
screens. So

1145
00:57:07,247 --> 00:57:10,440
take a, take a band that
doesn't have video, take

1146
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,100
away the lights in a band
that doesn't do a set

1147
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:16,180
list. Wow.
You know, it's like, that's

1148
00:57:16,187 --> 00:57:19,060
crazy. Thank
God for, you know, the

1149
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,400
creative team they've
assembled is, is, it's

1150
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,380
going to be amazing. I
don't know that the camera

1151
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:26,500
count is, I mean, it's up
into the 40s now. Wow.

1152
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:29,700
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm sure I can

1153
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,380
probably, you know, but I
mean, Trey's very good.

1154
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:33,240
He's
experienced. He

1155
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,500
knows the band. He
knows the material, you

1156
00:57:35,508 --> 00:57:37,760
know, it's, it's little
things like that with fish

1157
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,560
that are so crazy because
the, the catalog is

1158
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,440
thousands of songs and you
never know what's going to

1159
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,300
come next. Just
those guys look at each

1160
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:49,280
other and go and go. So
you can imagine, you know,

1161
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,160
getting a lot of do and G
minor, holy shit, you know,

1162
00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:56,140
put it on. But
in the sphere though, like,

1163
00:57:56,220 --> 00:58:01,100
I mean, obviously, you
know, it's the world's

1164
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:03,160
biggest TV or whatever you
want to call it, right?

1165
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,260
Like
it's just enormous. And

1166
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,680
so that, I'm more curious
about that than I was for,

1167
00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:12,940
I guess I was pretty
curious for you too,

1168
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,120
because it was the first
one. Sure.

1169
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,360
And I've got mixed feelings
on it. And

1170
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,820
I've talked way too much
about it. So

1171
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:21,740
I won't go into it now,
but I've got mixed

1172
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:23,080
feelings. You
know, again, I'm a lighting

1173
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,660
guy. Right.
You know, that's what I've

1174
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:27,600
always been as a lighting
guy. And

1175
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,000
so a concert without much
lighting, you know, which

1176
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,920
is sort of key lighting,
and you can't really see

1177
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,160
the band, you got to look
a couple minutes to see

1178
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,500
the band. Where
are they? Yeah.

1179
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,380
I can't find them, you
know, with this video

1180
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:43,760
orgasm thing that's going
on in front of me.

1181
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:45,760
Nonstop.
Yeah. But

1182
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,720
again, fish, fish being
such a visual band, you

1183
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,900
know, fish, Pink Floyd,
Grateful Dead. I

1184
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:54,380
think those are bands that
kind of fit the vibe of

1185
00:58:54,380 --> 00:58:58,700
that place, right? 100%.
And I know it's going to

1186
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:03,160
be visually and orally,
audibly stunning, because I

1187
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,140
know Gary has been, we'll
just say working in a

1188
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:09,560
space where the, you know,
all those channels were

1189
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,680
available to him, where he
can really move things

1190
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,140
around. So
I mean, Gary's a very,

1191
00:59:15,180 --> 00:59:16,840
very good front of house
engineers. I'm

1192
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,000
sure that'll be pretty
exciting as well, what they

1193
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,520
end up doing, you know,
with audio. How

1194
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,760
good you are until you
walk into something like

1195
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,000
that. And
that sound system being as

1196
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,960
crazy as it is, you know,
everything's new. Like

1197
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,120
it's just like, wow. But
it'll be awesome though.

1198
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:36,700
You
know, one thing about fish

1199
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:39,980
is fish doesn't put on a
shitty show and they don't

1200
00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:41,840
put on a shitty
presentation. Those

1201
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,820
guys are very, very
involved and adamant about

1202
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:47,660
perfection, you know, the
management all the way

1203
00:59:47,660 --> 00:59:49,700
down. So
it'll, it's going to be,

1204
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,780
it's going to be something,
you know, for these four

1205
00:59:51,780 --> 00:59:54,220
nights. It'll
be interesting to see how

1206
00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:56,840
it all, you know, pans out
in, I guess, the world,

1207
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,360
the world will know in
about 12 hours. Yeah,

1208
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,740
thank God for YouTube, you
know, I'm gonna, well, are

1209
01:00:02,740 --> 01:00:05,180
there any streaming? Well,
they're streaming too. Oh,

1210
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:08,880
are they? Yeah,
I believe it's, I don't

1211
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,940
want to quote, but I think
live fish, obviously that's

1212
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:13,160
their whole thing. You
know, I know it's

1213
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,960
streaming. I
mean, just that's pretty

1214
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,920
cool. Yeah.
Cause then you don't have

1215
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,900
to rely on these shitty
Yeah, live fish. Yeah,

1216
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:25,260
it's on. I'm
just, I'm passing things as

1217
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:28,100
I'm looking and it's, yeah,
it'll be on live fish. Oh,

1218
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,280
cool. Well,
I'm gonna have to look

1219
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,440
that up. Yeah.
I just want to see.

1220
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:34,400
Experience
it. Yeah.

1221
01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:36,400
I want to see, I want to
see what it looks like and

1222
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,620
hear what it sounds like
and you know, it's, I'm

1223
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:42,840
curious, like I'm curious
every event that goes into

1224
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,260
that place right now,
because again, I have such

1225
01:00:45,260 --> 01:00:51,860
mixed feelings and so yeah,
I mean, the UFC fight

1226
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:54,160
that's booked to go in
there, that, that one's got

1227
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,480
me really curious. What's
that going to look like?

1228
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,260
You
know, because I'm a big

1229
01:00:57,260 --> 01:01:01,100
fan of mixed martial arts
and what's that going to

1230
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:07,480
look like? You
know, yep. It's

1231
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,500
it's gonna be really
interesting to see it all,

1232
01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:13,360
you know, all pan out. I'm
sure it'll be amazing. So

1233
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,840
you're not rushing out
there this weekend? I'm

1234
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,380
not actually, I've got
other things to do and,

1235
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:20,700
you know, they, we have,
there's plenty of people

1236
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:24,760
there, you know, so it's
gonna, it's gonna be crazy.

1237
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:26,400
Yeah.
It'll be amazing. It's

1238
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,900
gonna be interesting to see
the, you know, all those,

1239
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,140
you know, fish fans doing
what fish fans do and, you

1240
01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:33,700
know, you know, really?
Yeah.

1241
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,660
Whoa. No,
that's exactly, I said

1242
01:01:37,660 --> 01:01:39,960
that, I said that in the
intro that I did before

1243
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,980
you got on. I
just said, I envision a

1244
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:45,740
bunch of, you know, stoners
looking up at the biggest

1245
01:01:45,740 --> 01:01:50,040
TV in the world and going,
whoa, you know, but it'll

1246
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,140
be done well too. Yeah.
Very, it'll be the biggest,

1247
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,540
it'll be the biggest trippy
TV they've ever seen. Oh,

1248
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,440
I'm sure. I'm
sure. Yeah.

1249
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,820
That'll be interesting. So
what about, I mean, you

1250
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:04,980
have enough going on
professionally, obviously,

1251
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:08,700
but any, any special
projects or anything fun

1252
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:12,360
outside the Gateway walls
for you? Yeah.

1253
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:17,340
As a matter of fact, we,
we've started a nonprofit.

1254
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:19,600
We,
and I don't even know if

1255
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:30,220
not many people are aware
of this. It's

1256
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,860
Cosmo. Wilson
have started, it's called

1257
01:02:33,860 --> 01:02:37,320
behind the scenes .org. And
what it is, is we're

1258
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,700
preserving, it's a website
in an organization that's

1259
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:45,140
dedicated to preserving the
history of production, the

1260
01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:47,340
stories, everything of the
guys. And

1261
01:02:47,348 --> 01:02:51,780
we've got the website is
up now, and we've got all

1262
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:55,460
of our 501 C together. So
now we're looking at really

1263
01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:57,560
getting it launched and,
you know, all of the,

1264
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,340
anything that we generate
from this and go, we'll

1265
01:03:00,340 --> 01:03:04,160
all go to, you know, like
a music cares type of

1266
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,720
thing, all to support road
people. So,

1267
01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:09,700
you know, calling out to
anybody, manufacturers,

1268
01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:12,040
anybody who wants to get
on board with it, it's,

1269
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,140
you know, behind the,
behind the curtain .org and

1270
01:03:15,140 --> 01:03:18,600
check it out. What
is it going to be as far

1271
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,900
as like, I love the
concept obviously. I

1272
01:03:21,908 --> 01:03:24,960
mean, because I do
something similar with, with

1273
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,120
Geysers of Gear, where, you
know, my, my whole goal is

1274
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,240
to try to capture great
stories from, you know, a

1275
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,160
group of people who's not
going to be here forever,

1276
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,420
you know, so that's exactly
it. Yeah.

1277
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:39,840
In some sense, it's just a
vault for lots of really,

1278
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,020
really good stories and,
and, you know, just

1279
01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:48,040
learnings from, from the
founders of the industry

1280
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,300
and stuff, like people who
didn't have moving lights

1281
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:55,040
and had to create park
hands out of pineapple cans

1282
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,680
or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. I

1283
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,000
mean, I love those stories.
It's

1284
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,780
why I do this, for sure.
Yeah.

1285
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,800
And it's, it's kind of a
place to, you know, we're,

1286
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,040
you know, we're putting it
together, you know, and

1287
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,000
it's, it's, because the
industry, if you think

1288
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,800
about it's only, we're only
like 57 years old, you

1289
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,060
know, when people, you
know, Roy and those people

1290
01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:17,980
figured out how to flip a
motor upside down and, oh

1291
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:20,140
my God, you know, Michael
Tate and the things he was

1292
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:22,080
doing. Yeah.
But it's all about curating

1293
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,760
that, you know, it's the
gear and, and, you know,

1294
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,640
we've got some of the, you
know, some of the people,

1295
01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:29,040
the PLSN people and some
of Terry's group, you know,

1296
01:04:29,220 --> 01:04:30,800
Kevin Mitchell's involved
with us. And

1297
01:04:30,808 --> 01:04:33,920
so it's, it's exciting. And
it's just, you know,

1298
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:36,340
something to give back a
little bit and preserve the

1299
01:04:36,340 --> 01:04:38,820
history of all these guys
that, you know, the old

1300
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:41,980
geezers like ourselves that
are, you know, are not

1301
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:43,420
going to be around long
much as we were talking

1302
01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:45,800
about some of the artists
and it's about preserving

1303
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,300
it. You
know, we're not so much

1304
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,300
looking to be immune. Yeah.
And hopefully this podcast

1305
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:51,780
will, you know, if
anybody's out there

1306
01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:55,020
listening, feel free to, to
check out the page and,

1307
01:04:55,140 --> 01:04:58,440
you know, we'll take all
the help we can get, you

1308
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,300
know, because I think it
has the ability to, to

1309
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:03,840
generate some good things
and fund a lot of things

1310
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,340
for people that really need
it. You

1311
01:05:05,340 --> 01:05:07,480
know, I'm sure you know
this, but there is a

1312
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:12,340
behind the scenes charity
in our industry. That's,

1313
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,840
yeah. And
we're, we're, I think there

1314
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,120
would be a nice possibility
of everybody kind of

1315
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,480
getting together on that.
Yeah.

1316
01:05:18,540 --> 01:05:20,600
This is more about some
sense. Yeah.

1317
01:05:21,140 --> 01:05:22,960
This is, this is more
about telling the, you

1318
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,800
know, telling the, telling
the story, you know, it's

1319
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,600
celebrating the history of
the people and the

1320
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,820
technology operating behind
the scenes and concert

1321
01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:32,200
touring. We're
more special, you know,

1322
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,500
this is more about concert
touring. Yeah.

1323
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:35,760
It's kind of where our
primary yeah. We're

1324
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,820
behind the scenes is more
theater and television and

1325
01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:42,740
it's more odd, I guess,
but very much not specific

1326
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:47,160
to concert touring. But
yeah, that's really cool.

1327
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:48,580
Congrats
on that. I

1328
01:05:48,580 --> 01:05:50,160
like that. Thank
you. Yeah.

1329
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,020
And if I can help spread
the word or do anything,

1330
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,520
you know, just let me
know. I've

1331
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,720
certainly got some content.
So,

1332
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:01,140
well, and that's something
that, you know, it's, and

1333
01:06:01,140 --> 01:06:04,120
people are starting to, you
know, donate some of this

1334
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,960
content into this vault,
you know, because what are

1335
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,880
we going to do with it
all, you know, but

1336
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,400
hopefully, you know,
curating it into one place

1337
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,960
that we're, people will go
to and, you know,

1338
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:17,220
education, it'll be
educating people. That's,

1339
01:06:17,420 --> 01:06:19,780
you know, that's something
we need more of these

1340
01:06:19,780 --> 01:06:22,440
days, as you well know,
especially with people and

1341
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,900
trying to fill the void on
what we don't have in

1342
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:28,920
people right now, you know,
the lineage and the history

1343
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,320
is important. Yeah,
I'm sorry. It'd

1344
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,840
be really cool to have,
you know, the studios have

1345
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,820
a room somewhere or even
in the restaurant area or

1346
01:06:39,820 --> 01:06:42,120
something, you know, like
hard rock with all the

1347
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,000
stuff. And
I think there's a very

1348
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,240
strong possibility there
might be a place that

1349
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,300
could house the the
diorama, if you will, or

1350
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:51,840
that you can come out.
Yeah,

1351
01:06:51,860 --> 01:06:54,380
we've got plenty of space
for stuff like that. Yeah.

1352
01:06:54,380 --> 01:06:56,640
No, that's really cool.
Yeah,

1353
01:06:56,660 --> 01:06:59,720
but we've been, you know,
that everything's going

1354
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,320
good. We're,
you know, between the,

1355
01:07:01,620 --> 01:07:03,400
we're doing, you know, a
lot of integration and

1356
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,640
installs and, you know,
we've got Kenny on, we've

1357
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,600
got our little, our
fabrication department is up

1358
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,560
and running now because I
don't think we had that.

1359
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,180
And
that's another interesting

1360
01:07:13,180 --> 01:07:15,220
thing. Like
almost every touring

1361
01:07:15,220 --> 01:07:18,480
lighting company now has a
fabrication department, which

1362
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,880
was never a thing before.
Like

1363
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,380
everybody just went to
Tate. And

1364
01:07:22,388 --> 01:07:24,860
now that Tate's so big, I
guess it makes a lot of

1365
01:07:24,860 --> 01:07:27,100
sense. Well,
and trust me, I was just

1366
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:29,480
at Tate a couple weeks ago
with one of our other

1367
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,740
clients, the AJR that was
out that they're doing. And

1368
01:07:31,747 --> 01:07:37,880
ours is, we're not, we are
not trying to be that type

1369
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,840
of fabrication or, you
know, to compete with our

1370
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,040
friends, you know, the
Gallagher's or the, the all

1371
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,020
access ours is more nichey
things like building carts

1372
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:50,900
for lights or building that
specialized angle piece to

1373
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:53,000
tour. You
don't have to handball

1374
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,200
every light, you know, ways
to do solutions that make

1375
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,480
it better. That's
kind of what our

1376
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,320
fabrication is. And,
you know, like, we just

1377
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,200
did the, you know, for the
video, the, the parabbas

1378
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,940
open out there in Southern
California, they have like

1379
01:08:06,940 --> 01:08:11,240
103 screens on that thing
and customizing, you know,

1380
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:13,900
fitting that screens into
that, there was a lot of

1381
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:17,040
customization done on angle
brackets, things like that.

1382
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:18,740
Those
sort of niche things that

1383
01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:21,779
we, that we do is it's a
service, you know, it's,

1384
01:08:21,779 --> 01:08:23,380
it's an extent, it's a
service for the client

1385
01:08:23,380 --> 01:08:26,160
that, you know, at the end
of the day, makes the crew

1386
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,700
really happy. No,
that makes a lot of sense.

1387
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:30,279
I
mean, it makes huge, huge

1388
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,479
amount of sense. So
that's cool. And,

1389
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,220
and I mean, finally, I
know you, you also get

1390
01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:40,580
involved with the Humane
Society, right? Yeah,

1391
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,520
supporter. Yeah,
I'm a big dog supporter.

1392
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:45,819
Absolutely.
Yeah. That's

1393
01:08:45,819 --> 01:08:48,000
near and dear to my heart,
you know, adopt, adopt,

1394
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,100
adopt, adopt, and, you
know, please. Yeah.

1395
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:56,180
And adopt responsibly. Yeah.
Sarah, Sarah, who's our

1396
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:58,580
producer sitting in the
green room listening right

1397
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:03,080
now, she, she lives on
Crete. And

1398
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:08,020
I guess there's a big
feral dogs and feral cats

1399
01:09:08,020 --> 01:09:12,220
problem on Crete. And
so, you know, she's typical

1400
01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:14,260
freaking woman, you know,
heart bigger than the

1401
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:20,319
brain. And
she's got like 47, 47 dogs

1402
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:25,359
and 47 dogs and 17 cats
or something, you know, so

1403
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:29,000
she's, it's funny because
every time and actually

1404
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,300
right now I can see her
in the green room and

1405
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:33,500
she's got cats climbing on
her and stuff. So,

1406
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:38,380
you know, it's, it's, it's
a thing. I

1407
01:09:38,380 --> 01:09:40,720
have friends down here who
are like that too. Like

1408
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,439
I'm, I'm too irresponsible
to have those kind of

1409
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,500
responsibilities, you know,
my son's 19 now. He

1410
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:48,600
doesn't need me to keep
him alive anymore. Thank

1411
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,979
God. Because
God knows I could have

1412
01:09:50,979 --> 01:09:53,979
failed. But
you're gonna, you're gonna

1413
01:09:53,979 --> 01:09:56,920
need him later. Yeah,
we'll see. Yeah,

1414
01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:58,500
we'll see. Remember
that. No,

1415
01:09:58,540 --> 01:09:59,640
you're right about that.
But

1416
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,460
yeah, so I've just never,
I've never been a lots of

1417
01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,240
pets kind of guy. Like
my ex -wife always had a

1418
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,300
dog and, and I tolerated,
but I'm allergic too. So

1419
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:12,640
I don't really, I don't,
we, Molly and I always

1420
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,880
have, we have two children.
We

1421
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,080
always have two dogs, you
know. Yeah.

1422
01:10:16,088 --> 01:10:19,960
Our current group is Chili
Pop and Mumbo. Those

1423
01:10:19,968 --> 01:10:22,560
are our two children. Chili
Pop. That's

1424
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,340
funny. I
like that one. Yeah.

1425
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:27,260
She's the, she's the female
and the alpha and runs the

1426
01:10:27,260 --> 01:10:32,120
house and he's a pit and
boxer mix who's a little

1427
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,080
on the spectrum. So,
you know, it's a happy,

1428
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,440
it's a happy family. It's
a normal out here. Good

1429
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:39,800
times. Well,
Dave, I really appreciate

1430
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,980
you taking some time today
to do this and giving us

1431
01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:43,980
an update on what's going
on with the studios and

1432
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:46,640
stuff. I
am going to try and get

1433
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,020
out there before it opens
probably. Yeah.

1434
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:54,260
Just to take a walk around
and go, whoa. Yeah,

1435
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,860
I would love to, love to
have you and, you know,

1436
01:10:57,380 --> 01:10:59,320
anybody else out that's
listening that's got

1437
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,040
interest, you know, please
reach out to us, you know.

1438
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:04,620
Yes.
The website's an easy way

1439
01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:07,020
to get us at gsps .com.
Pretty

1440
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:08,960
easy to figure that out.
Yeah.

1441
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,100
Way studios and production
services and perfect. You

1442
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:14,880
know, as we continue and
I'd love to be back on as

1443
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,980
things progress a little
bit more, but yeah, we

1444
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:18,940
will. Well,
we're blessed, man. We're

1445
01:11:18,940 --> 01:11:20,680
very blessed. I'll
get you walking around with

1446
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,700
a cell phone one day or
something and you can give

1447
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:24,040
us a tour on the podcast.
Oh,

1448
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,580
100. 100 % that'd be fun.
Yeah.

1449
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,140
Yeah. All
right, Dave, thanks so

1450
01:11:29,140 --> 01:11:30,400
much. Bring
a big battery. Marcel,

1451
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:32,000
nice to chat with you,
friend. And

1452
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,100
you as well. Good
luck to you this year with

1453
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:36,500
getting everything done and
opened and. Oh,

1454
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,060
we're going to make it.
We're

1455
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:40,080
going to make it. We
have no option. Yeah.

1456
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,340
Yeah. All
right, buddy. See

1457
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:43,880
you later. Thanks,
Marcel. Okay.