#238 - David Milly

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#238.
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Well, I'm back episode #238 and

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so it's bizarre that I'm having
tech problems this morning

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because yesterday I recorded
episode #237 with Glenn, CEO and

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founder of AED in Europe.
And it's weird we got to the end

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or we were getting near the end.
I should say probably 10-15

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minutes to go.
And I noticed that my recording

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software was basically failing
and so it showed the the little

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live or recording light is red
and it's got a timer inside it

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and it was frozen at an hour and
50 seconds, an hour, one hour

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and 50 seconds and entirely
frozen.

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So I have a Mac.
If you put your mouse over it,

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you get the little spinning
beach ball, meaning that that

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application is just completely
frozen.

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So at this point, I'm still
recording.

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I'm still talking or I think I'm
recording.

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I'm talking with Glenn and
trying not to panic.

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While I'm realizing that it's
entirely possible that I'm no

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longer recording.
It's also entirely possible that

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I lose the entire podcast that
we've just recorded, which

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happened to be a really good
one.

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And so we finally got to the end
of our communication and I said

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thanks and couldn't stop the
software, couldn't do anything,

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couldn't hang up on the call.
And so I just had to hold down

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the power button on my Mac and
shut everything down.

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And so I've contacted the
company, the software company

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who who I used to record our
podcasts and have submitted some

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files to them and stuff.
So we're going to hopefully be

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able to recover this and
hopefully by the time people

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hear the live or not live, but
the recorded episode #238, you

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will have already heard 237
because 237 was a really good

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conversation and I'd love to.
I'd love to.

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I'd hope that everyone has the
opportunity to hear it.

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And so if you know Glenn, very
interesting guy, very colorful

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guy, very smart person, you
know, smart outside of business

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and outside of our industry,
he's he's a pilot, he's he's

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just got all of this other
knowledge involved.

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And you know, he also owns a a
film studio, film and television

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studio.
And so of course, one of my

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favorite topics lately has been
AI and I talk with smart people

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and get their take on it and try
to understand more about what

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people are thinking about its
impact on our industry,

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etcetera.
And so Glenn and I had this

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really cool conversation and
again, I hope you get to hear it

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because it was fun.
It took a very different

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approach or a new concept where
we looked at it as instead of AI

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replacing humans, AI was
augmenting or supporting humans,

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especially in our industry, and
so we used a couple of examples.

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We both agreed that we want AI
and robots to handle things like

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life saving surgery.
So, you know, if you're if

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you've got, God forbid, cancer
or any sort of heart surgery or

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whatever, that AI and robots
would be able to manage that

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surgery because #1, they'd have
more information than any

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surgeon possibly could to.
They wouldn't make mistakes,

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they wouldn't slip or miss or
accidentally cut the wrong thing

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or something.
Not that surgeons do that very

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often, but you would take out
that whole human mistake side of

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things.
And unless of course, their

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computer software failed like
mine did for that episode, you

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know, you're you're looking
pretty good.

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So surgery was one.
It was funny because Glenn said

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I want AI and robots cooking my
food.

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And then we got into a
discussion about that and what

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we finally agreed.
Both of us agreed on the fact

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that it would be great to have
robots and AI basically prepping

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the food, so doing all the
cutting and and portioning and

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whatever you want to call it.
But all the preparation and then

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the actual art or the artistry
of actually cooking and

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combining ingredients and
creating flavor would come from

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a knowledgeable and experienced
chef.

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And it's it's funny because that
carries over to our industry as

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well.
You know, you're getting the

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nuance and and art from the
artist and you're getting sort

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of the tedious repeated labor
side of the project from AI and

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from robots.
And you know, I think the same

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goes in our industry.
You know, the simple and mundane

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repetitive tasks, the coding
side of things where a, a

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programmer is sitting at a desk
putting in the same lines of

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code that he's had to do for
every show that he does or she,

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you know, but at the end, the
artist is the one creating the

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art.
It's not AI creating the art.

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AI is just supporting the art.
And so that's hopefully the

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direction that common sense
takes us.

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And in all things, you know that
that AI supports humans, it

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doesn't make an effort to
replace humans.

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But you know, there's some fear
involved in all of this as well.

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I'm, I'm a realist and I'm
listening to all sides of this.

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I spend a lot of time listening
to guests on Joe Rogan because

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Joe Rogan gets really smart
guests.

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On the topic of AI, he's had you
know the founder or the CEO of

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ChatGPT has or open AI has been
on multiple times or at least

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once.
I heard him once.

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Anyways he gets Elon Musk on
quite often.

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He had Kurzweil, Ray Kurzweil on
and you know they talk a lot

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about as AI becomes sentient and
and more human like it is going

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to sort of leapfrog jump over
humans because it's just going

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to be smarter than humans.
And I just, I don't know and

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none of us really know.
Maybe some people sitting at the

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top of Google or open AI or or
maybe Elon Musk knows.

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But Elon Musk seems to be more
more respectful, fearful,

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careful with this technology
than most really smart people

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are.
And you know, he, he has rang

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the the sort of emergency bell a
few times on this.

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So we'll see.
I I do think that this is

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probably 1 area where God forbid
we get the government involved.

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And hopefully without any
incentives to, you know, build

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their stock portfolios or
whatever, they're going to make

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good decisions for the American
people and for the people of the

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world on, you know, just some
legislation that that stops AI

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from from controlling the world.
But anyways, so that that was an

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interesting conversation.
And again, I apologize, Anytime

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our tech fails, it's only
happened I think three times in

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the entire history of the
podcast, three or four times

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maybe.
And so I I hope that we were

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able to recover this podcast.
If not, I might even ask Glenn

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to do it again because it was
such a great conversation.

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And I also want to help promote
the amazing companies and brands

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that Glenn is building at AED.
So today we have one of my

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favorite people, another one.
I say this about so many people,

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but I love this guy, David
Miley.

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We had back on the podcast or we
had on the podcast episode 14 in

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2019 and he's back on again
today.

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I had to peel him away from his
incredibly busy schedule of

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retirement.
So you may or may not know David

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sold his lighting business.
If you're younger and and new to

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this industry or maybe you're in
Europe or something.

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So David Miley had a company
called TLS Inc and it was based

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in Alabama.
He sold that business to Four

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Wall back in 2012, stayed on to
work with the company for a few

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years before kind of taking a a
different turn in life.

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And David is now retired.
He manages some real estate,

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spends time renovating his his
house that he lives in with his

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wife Deanne.
And they both do some some

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community theater work.
David's consulted on a few

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lighting projects I think, and
he and Deanne went through some

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boats.
They had that sort of two foot

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itis where they bought a small
one and got a little bit bigger

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a few times I think.
And they traveled a whole bunch.

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And then I think what happened
is the hurricane hit.

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He can tell us a little more
about this.

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But I think the hurricane hit
and scared the hell out of him.

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And they moved back in land,
sold their boats and and they've

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become land lovers again.
But David tells me that now his

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main source of income is
basically winning money from his

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buddies at golf.
And so that doesn't surprise me.

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He was a an avid golfer the last
time I saw him.

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I think the last time I played,
the last time I saw him, was

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probably the last time I played
golf with with him at at one of

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the LDI events and that had to
be more than 10 years ago

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probably.
Oh my God, time moves so fast.

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It's probably 15 years ago, I
don't know.

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But anyways, I would love to
welcome back David Miley.

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Hello, David.
Hello, Marcel.

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Good morning.
You too.

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So where are you in the world
now?

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I don't know.
Like, I know you were on the

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water.
I'm in Huntsville, AL.

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Oh, you're back in Huntsville?
I.

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Spent back in Huntsville 2 1/2
years ago.

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We got hit by a hurricane called
Sally in Orange Beach.

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And you know, my house was tore
up, my cars were flooded, rental

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properties were demolished.
It was it was a mess.

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So rather than go through that
again, we put Humpty Dumpty back

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together and and move back up
north where we only have

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tornadoes and flooding.
So it's.

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A little bit different.
But that hurricane, that's scary

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stuff.
You being in Florida?

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You probably.
Know what I mean?

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I do.
You know, and here's the This is

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going to sound really terrible.
So I'm putting a a disclaimer on

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what I'm about to say.
But you know Florida has escaped

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a lot of hurricanes recently.
Just we've it's been actually

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really quiet since like maybe
2000 and 5-6 something like that

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is the last one that really I
think caused a massive impact in

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South Florida where I live.
And so meanwhile we've had this

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COVID thing and property values
are going through the roof

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because people are selling you
know two and a half million

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dollar condos that are like 1000
square feet in New York,

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bringing that cash down here,
buying a house on the

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waterfront, going man, why did I
wait so long to do this And they

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haven't seen a storm yet, so you
know.

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Wait till they get the property
tax bill and their insurance

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bill.
Good grief that well-being on

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the water where I was in Orange
Beach, we were two miles from

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Florida line.
Yeah, Florida line.

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And and I I.
Paid more for insurance there

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than I paid for.
You know, insurance, property

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tax, all my utilities,
everything.

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HOA.
Just my insurance down there

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was.
Crazy.

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Well yeah.
I mean like the Keys for

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example, like the to insure a
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people just self insure because
it's so expensive to get

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insurance if you're because
you're basically below sea level

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at a lot of places in the Keys
and so you're going to flood

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like you are going to get some
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crazy in in some parts of the
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depends on your your survey or
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But but yeah, I mean typically
what used to happen, I've been

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here since 1991 and what used to
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So my first year here was
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sort of welcome to Florida
properly, you know the worst

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storm I think that it was.
Yeah, and I remember we actually

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had police knock on our door,
'cause we lived on the

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Intercoastal and in an
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And they knocked on our door and
said, I'm sorry you have to

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evacuate.
And we were like, what the hell

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does that mean?
You know, we didn't know what

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was going on.
Like we were land lubbers moving

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down here to Florida and but
what would happen is every time

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there was a storm there was this
exodus of all these northerners,

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New Yorkers and people from the
north somewhere would just be

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like hell with this shit.
I'm out of here, you know I

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ain't putting up with this
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No way.
And.

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We we, our house was on stilt,
so they knew that it was going

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to have storm surge.
Yeah, but we sat in the stairway

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for, you know, like 10 hours.
The water was coming up the

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stairs and the roof was going
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I mean, it was it was pretty
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Never would I stay in a
hurricane again.

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I would evacuate.
We just didn't have a chance to

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do this.
When nobody in our neighborhood

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did, everybody thought it was
going through Biloxi and it just

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did a 90° turn and then just sat
on us it.

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Was it was?
Like it was punishing Orange

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Beach or something.
You know, you know Jim Fuller,

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right?
Oh yeah, yeah.

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So, so Jim Fuller, before he
came to work for us at Martin,

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Jim Fuller was our customer.
He was at UF and we did the

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Gator growl and we were doing
some other stuff with him.

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But so anyways, Hurricane
Andrew, Jim calls me up.

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He lives in Gainesville and he
calls me up and he says, hey,

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I'm coming down for the
hurricane and I'm like, what?

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And he goes, yeah, you know, my
parents aren't, aren't in their

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house.
They have a house in.

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I can't remember if it was
Homestead or Cutler Ridge where

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his parents had a house.
And I'm like, what the hell are

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you doing coming down here?
Like we're being told to go that

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way.
So I'm going to Orlando and and

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he's like, Nah, it's not gonna
be that bad.

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And you know, I don't think it
was Andrew, though.

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It had to be a different storm
because it wasn't in 1992.

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This was a bit later.
So anyways, whatever storm it

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was.
So he, he comes down and the

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storm turned sort of at the last
minute and he was basically in

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it, you know, in a big way.
And it was him and his, his wife

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and I think his new baby.
And they ended up in a closet

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because the roof blew off.
And, you know, they were huddled

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up in a closet in this house.
And they left a nice safe place

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that everybody was evacuating to
and came right into sort of the

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eye of the storm.
And it was just lunacy.

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But I think, you know, sometimes
in Florida that happens.

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We get this.
We get this complacency where

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people have hurricane parties
and they're like, it's no big

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deal.
I've been through ten of these,

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you know.
Maybe the 11th 1 gets you real

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good, you know?
It's well, you.

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You've been lucky.
I'll tell you, what we went

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through was not fun.
So.

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Yeah, it was.
A.

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Yes, yeah, yeah.
We had a little we had a little

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technical glitch with David's
headphones there.

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So David's new to the Apple
Airpods.

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Welcome to the to the clan,
David.

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I actually just had to get a new
I I just had to get a new pair.

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If if someone would have told me
that $200 freaking earphones

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were disposable, like you
basically just had to throw them

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away every few years and get a
new pair, I'd be like, you got

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to be out of your mind.
But that's exactly what you have

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to do.
They just, they wear out and get

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lousy.
And mine were making weird

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noises and stuff.
So yeah, I wonder.

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Apple is a $2 trillion company.
I think we got it figured out.

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I've pushed enough buttons here,
so.

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Anyway, that's good.
Well, tell me how your son's

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doing.
You you you sent him to England

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to race cars and I haven't, I
haven't seen many updates

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lately.
Well, cuz he came back, He's

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been back here since, I think,
November, end of November, he

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came back.
And he's been doing a bunch of

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coaching, coaching drivers at
different tracks and and on

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different series and stuff.
He's been even coaching SIM SIM

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drivers.
So if you ever want to become a

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race car driver, you could just
get one of those simulator

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setups and and Jeremy will come
and coach you, but, but he

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actually just got back to
England today.

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He's racing the first race of
the the brand new 2024 season

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that starts this weekend at
Silverstone and so he just

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landed this morning and he's
he's at the race shop with the

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team right now getting the car
prepped and he's on track

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tomorrow for testing.
Excuse me.

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Yeah.
So I'll probably end up posting

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the link on on Facebook or
something to watch the races

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this weekend.
They're they tend to be pretty

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early because it's it's in
England right.

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So it's five hours later there
but but I appreciate you asking

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he's he's doing well we're we're
somewhere between all the way in

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and and all the way out.
You know it's it's it's his

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dream and it's all he ever wants
to do.

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But unfortunately it's a big
money game these days.

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So you know it's it's as you
step up the ladder the money

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just gets more and more
ridiculous and it didn't used to

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be that way.
It's just that now there's so

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many billionaires in the world
that they jump the queue and and

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say I'll give you $5,000,000
instead of, you know, you having

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to pay my driver, I'll pay you.
And so that eliminates

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opportunities for for for
drivers, whether they're better

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or not, it doesn't even matter.
So it's unfortunate, but it is

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what it is.
So yeah, we we already got into

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the Hurricanes, which I expected
we'd be talking about because

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you were one of those guys like
the the New Yorkers and stuff

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that I was just talking about
who who ran back in land.

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And I don't blame you.
I mean, I don't live on the

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coast.
I live 1/2 hour inland.

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Well, I I have some property
down there.

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And.
What we did, you know as part of

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buying it was to make sure we
were out of the wind and flood

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zone insurance wise.
So there's a road, one side of

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the road is in the flood zone,
the other side of the road is

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not and bought bought a rental
property there.

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So it it and it made a big
difference insurance wise and

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it's just right across the
street from each other.

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Oh really?
Well, and and and you know you.

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Add that up over 10 years, it's
a lot of money difference that

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goes in your pocket instead of
the insurance company.

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Yeah.
So is that a rental property or

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or do you actually go there and
spend time?

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No, it's it's a it's a triple
net.

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It's a paint store and we're
just a landlord in it.

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Oh, OK.
It's a building.

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It's not a not a house.
I just assumed it was

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residential.
Oh, OK.

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Commercial building.
Oh cool.

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Put my money that four wall gave
me when they bought me out and

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you know, have some income.
Yeah.

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Good for you.
Good for you.

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You're welcome.
Four walls doing great guns

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these days.
They are yeah four Wall the the

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big keep getting bigger that's
for sure.

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And and Canon again is doing
really really well with Main

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Light who actually Main Light.
Remarkably, Main Light and Mike

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Cannon are the sponsor for
today's podcast.

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So yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's
doing really well.

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We do a lot of business together
and I, he's one of the guys that

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I I appreciate a lot in this
industry and have a lot of

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respect for.
I have a lot of time for that

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guy.
He's a smart dude.

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He's he's got those Canon, the
Canon jeans.

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Yes, he does.
He does, yeah.

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His son, I think is going to
Purdue, but just played, played

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UConn.
He's a big basketball fan.

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Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
That's that's interesting.

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I didn't know that.
I'm pretty sure he goes to

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Purdue.
I mean, that's something I could

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ask you, but I see we're
Facebook friends.

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That's how I stay in touch with
most people these days.

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And yeah, he's at all the
basketball games and he's always

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doing Purdue basketball.
So like I said, they did.

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They did pretty good against
UConn.

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Alabama did a little bit better,
I think.

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One point better.
Yeah.

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Interesting UConn.
What an awesome team.

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Good grief.
I can't say I follow it.

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I know nothing about it
whatsoever, David.

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We've given up on hearing your
microphone out of your

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headphones because it's gone
again.

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So don't worry about it.
We can hear you just fine

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through the phone.
So let's let's not stress about

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that one.
OK, it's no big help.

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I don't know.
So for those of you who have no

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idea or just entered the
industry or whatever, just to to

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kind of reiterate here, you sold
your business back in in 2012

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what we were just talking about
to Four Wall and sadly your wife

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passed away shortly after in
2014.

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You you kind of changed
directions after that and Cannon

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let you let you retire and and
not too long after that then you

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you met your your current wife
Deanne who I've unfortunately

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not been able to meet and and I
I feel like I know her because

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I've been following all of your
posts and hers on on Facebook

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and stuff but it looks like you
guys have built a pretty cool

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life together and and you know
you.

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I got real luck in them.
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, it's

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incredible when you life is
short when it comes to those

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types of long term relationships
and the fact that you can find,

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you know, 2 great ones like that
is is pretty cool.

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So congratulations and.
Well, thank you.

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I like I said, I do feel very
lucky and fortunate that that we

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ran into each other at the time.
It's a timing thing in in a in a

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life and you put 2 people
together and the timing's right.

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I mean it's worked out.
It worked out very well for both

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of us.
We're we're real happy and we've

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done done a lot of travelling
together and you know if you can

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travel with somebody in an RV
for you know a month and then

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you know you have compatibility
and we did we.

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Well, and you did the land and
water RV's right, like you did

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the.
Well, you know when when like I

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said my previous wife passed
away, I didn't want to bring the

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new woman in my life into that
situation.

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So I said well look, let's let's
let's sell this house and let's

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go to the beach.
And that's what we did and we

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went and got a big boat and we
travelled around the the Gulf,

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went to New Orleans and Tampa
and and you know just played

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around.
We actually came from Orange

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Beach all the way up to
Tennessee Tom Bigby to

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Huntsville.
It was a eight day trip up to

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Tennessee.
Tom Bigby, which is amazing that

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you can go from there, you know,
400 miles inland.

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It it is.
And we were, you know, we were

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in a pretty big boat, but
there's barges all over the

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place and there's a lot of books
that tell you what to look for

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and how to be what, how to
navigate it.

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We went to boating school and
navigation school.

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So I mean did it properly and
safely. 8 days here Spent about

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a week, two weeks here and then
like 8 days back went through 17

451
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,840
locks up up 600 feet.
So the first lock was tested

452
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,600
because Deanna had never done it
and you know I'm I'm driving.

453
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,240
She's got a hook us to about a
bollard, throw the rope around

454
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,520
it and and tie us off to the
side and the the bollard floats.

455
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,440
The first one was testy, but we
watched it on on YouTube several

456
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,840
times on what she's supposed to
do and she pulled it off and

457
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,600
yay, that was our big panic
attack that didn't turn into a

458
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,600
panic.
Yeah.

459
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,280
Well, and your relationship
somehow survived that because I

460
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,640
I remember even just docking
incidents where it's like just

461
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,360
throw them the line or you know,
one of the funniest ones with my

462
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:12,600
ex-wife was we had run into a
pretty significant situation.

463
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,640
So we were we were, I was
pulling up into onto a sandbar

464
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,360
in I think it was in Miami
somewhere and it was just a

465
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,760
sandbar where we would always go
up and just, you know, stick the

466
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,360
anchor in the ground and sit
there in three or four feet of

467
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,080
water, have a couple beers, put
some rafts out or whatever.

468
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,920
It was nice and but the current
was really nasty.

469
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,120
It was quite windy and it was
crowded and so it was pretty

470
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,360
stressful and and I'm dealing
with all of this stuff, you

471
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,640
know, I'm going against the
current try not to run over

472
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,400
anybody who's already in the
water with their beers or hit

473
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,560
any boats.
And my my ex-wife Barb her her

474
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,760
parents decide at some point
because Barb tells them OK you

475
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,520
guys can go ahead and jump off
now we're in Shell and I'm I'm

476
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,320
still my engines are running and
I'm still moving and so they

477
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,240
jump off the boat and
immediately get caught up in the

478
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,560
current.
And so now it's it's a situation

479
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,320
like we've got a real situation.
And I'm like, she goes, what do

480
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,040
I do?
What do I do?

481
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,560
And I said throw them a, a throw
cushion.

482
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,640
So line wrapped around it and
everything, she throws the whole

483
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120
throw cushion.
And I just looked at her and I'm

484
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840
like, do you not see anything
wrong with this?

485
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,360
And she goes, what?
I threw it to them.

486
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,320
And I said, but where's the
rope, Barb?

487
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Where's the other end of the
line?

488
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800
How are we gonna pull them back
to the boat?

489
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,240
You've thrown the entire line to
them and she's like, oh, do you

490
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,480
have another one?
And I said, no, I only have one

491
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,840
throw cushion.
So now I had to jump off the

492
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,120
boat and well, I think I dropped
anchor wherever I was, jumped

493
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,560
off the boat, swam to them,
'cause I'm a good swimmer, and

494
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,280
brought them back to the boat.
And I was just furious.

495
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,880
I mean, that was probably the
beginning of the end for us.

496
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,400
If.
If you have a boat, you have

497
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560
those situations, just it's just
part of part of boating.

498
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,120
You just gotta be as careful as
you can be, that's for sure.

499
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280
I take it really seriously, as
I'm sure you do.

500
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,520
You know, I take it, really.
Seriously, your lives are.

501
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,200
In my hand.
You know, I've I've had my

502
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,240
nephews and nieces and stuff and
they want to carry on and get

503
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160
drunk and stupid and they said
you can do all that, but only

504
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120
when I allow it.
You know you got to sit down and

505
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,600
you can't walk around you you
can't bother.

506
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760
We have we communicate and they
say, well I want to help, I want

507
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640
to help.
Your help is to sit there and

508
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,400
get out of the way and when,
when it's time, we'll let you

509
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,760
know and it and the captain's
got to be the captain.

510
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,640
You know.
Because at the end of the day,

511
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,680
the buck stops there, right?
And if there's damage done, then

512
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,160
that he's the one responsible
and you can't take some stuff

513
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,200
back, ever.
It's.

514
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,880
Just what?
And and you see it.

515
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,240
You see it so often here where
you know just friends are out

516
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,400
for a nice weekend boat ride in
Fort Lauderdale on their their

517
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,480
brand new $1,000,000, you know,
5 Yamaha 3 hundreds or Merck 3

518
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,360
hundreds on the back of it or
whatever.

519
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,640
You know, guy doesn't know what
he's doing.

520
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,120
He's takes him out on the ocean
going 70 miles an hour on a

521
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,760
fishing boat or something and
bad things happen and people

522
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,960
die.
And it it's really, really sad

523
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,040
to see that every time I see it
it's like, you know, boats don't

524
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,120
have brakes like cars do.
So.

525
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,480
No, they do not.
No, they do not.

526
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,080
Yeah well we like, like I I I
mentioned early we took we

527
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:39,360
together we took three boating
classes, navigation, safety you

528
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,560
know just all all the how to
park a boat and then we went out

529
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000
and practiced all this stuff
before we went out anywhere.

530
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,720
And you know, I've I've been in
boats all my life, but not a big

531
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,240
boat.
Boats different.

532
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,680
Than a boat.
And you know it it's kind of I

533
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,200
messed up a few times and I I I
still.

534
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,880
I could write them down on a
piece of paper.

535
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,280
What I did wrong and what I
would do in the future

536
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120
differently.
Mostly navigation.

537
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,640
Things going on the wrong side
of a buoy.

538
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,480
I've done well, how about, how
about, you know, running a, you

539
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,400
know, a 36 foot cabin cruiser
running at a ground in the Keys,

540
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,200
you know, even though, you know,
you're not supposed to be

541
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,600
outside the channel.
But it was like, oh, there's a

542
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400
pot of dolphins over there.
We had to go see them, you know,

543
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960
and I'm outside the Channel and
run the boat into the, you know,

544
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,680
the ground, right?
I tore a transmission up in one

545
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,760
of my engines.
It's about a $50,000.

546
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,600
Kit.
Ouch.

547
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Well, luckily insurance paid for
some of it.

548
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,320
But you know the same thing that
was not intended.

549
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,960
The current got me, pushed me
where I wasn't supposed to be

550
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,640
trying to pull into a Marina.
I was in Tampa Bay and just made

551
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,560
a mistake.
Yeah, so.

552
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,120
Looking back, it was it was the
captain's problem.

553
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,280
It was my my mistake.
Speaking of marina's, you know

554
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,400
one of my other situations
involving my ex-wife, we were in

555
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,880
the Keys and we were pulling up.
I had a a slip booked at at I

556
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,080
forget which Marina in the Keys,
but oh, it was the the island

557
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Mirada Marina with the tiki bar
and stuff.

558
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,160
I don't know if you've spent any
time down in the Keys, but it

559
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,640
was a great Marina and you know,
but it had like 7580 foot boats

560
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,120
there and I had a 36 foot boat
and so I'm pulling it in.

561
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240
It's probably about 7:00 at
night.

562
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,160
So all the old captains are all
standing out on the on the dock

563
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040
drinking their their wine or
whatever with their their wives

564
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,040
and their friends or whatever.
And so now I've got a bunch of

565
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520
geniuses telling me what I'm
doing wrong, and I've got this

566
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,680
tall boat, a cabin cruise or
tall boat, you know the problem

567
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,520
here?
So the tide is coming in and the

568
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,840
wind is blowing out and and I've
got to go into the dock.

569
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,640
I think I was against the wind
but with the current or

570
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,280
something.
And it was, it was the hardest

571
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
docking I've ever done.
And I've got three people on the

572
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,000
boat telling me what I'm doing
wrong.

573
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,440
And I've got 20 people on the
dock telling me what to do and

574
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,159
what I'm doing wrong.
And finally I said, everyone

575
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,880
just shut the F up and let me
dock this boat.

576
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,199
And I got it docked and I just,
I tied it, jumped off the boat,

577
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,920
walked straight up to the Tiki
bar and did like a double shot

578
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,719
or something and just said,
enough, man, I've had enough.

579
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,440
You know who else is doing it
right now?

580
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,800
David.
His.

581
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,639
Do you know Matt Klauser?
Matt Klaus.

582
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,560
He had a nice little company in
Atlanta called Active Lighting.

583
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,800
Active Lighting and design
seems.

584
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,840
Like I've heard that name.
I I don't know.

585
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,000
He was a high, he was a, he was
always a high end dealer in in

586
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,400
Atlanta and he would have been a
real small company as you were a

587
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,480
pretty big company.
And anyways I helped him sell

588
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:07,400
his company a couple years ago
and his life, you know, goal or

589
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,760
plan or dream or whatever was to
go out and buy a sailboat and

590
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,400
sail around the world.
And so he bought like AI think

591
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,440
it's like a 50 foot cat.
And him and his very young wife

592
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,480
who he had just married,
remarried, I think she's from

593
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,640
Guatemala or Nicaragua or
something, but beautiful young

594
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,160
lady.
So they decide they're going to

595
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,960
sail around the world.
They buy this boat.

596
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,720
They come to Fort Lauderdale and
close on the boat.

597
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,480
They took all the captain, you
know, classes and stuff that

598
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,760
they possibly could.
They went to the Bahamas from

599
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Fort Lauderdale and they sailed
around the Bahamas a little bit.

600
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,160
It really tested their
relationship, you know, as it

601
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,360
can.
But you're running into things

602
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,920
that didn't teach you in boating
class.

603
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,000
And now you're in real life and
you're in.

604
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,120
You're on the Atlantic Ocean or
in the Caribbean.

605
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,440
Bad things can happen very
quickly and it's all different

606
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,760
than what you expected.
And so, I mean they spent about,

607
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,480
I don't know, probably 3 weeks,
three or four weeks of what was

608
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,800
supposed to be like a a 12 month
journey or something.

609
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,040
They spent three or four weeks
in the Bahamas and then docked.

610
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,640
I think they brought the boat
back to Fort Lauderdale and and

611
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,520
flew back home.
And there's they're back at

612
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,400
their house in Costa Rica, or
wherever it is that they live

613
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,880
now.
They sell the boat.

614
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,600
No, no, I I don't know that
whether or not they're still

615
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,040
going to go ahead and try and do
their plans.

616
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,280
But you know, he had it all
planned out.

617
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,040
He was he was going to do this.
And I'm not putting him down.

618
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,120
I always said that's a pretty
momentous plan that you've got

619
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,680
there, you know, but he was, you
know, he he had it all planned

620
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,640
out.
He was going to book.

621
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:59,400
He was going to hire captains
for the the long trips and you

622
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:06,760
know, I just think the reality
is so much more challenging and

623
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,560
we're back again.
These retired people, you know,

624
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,440
it's retired people and their
electronics, like they don't

625
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,880
have the big computer screens
and stuff anymore.

626
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,880
I I don't have people to set it
up for me and stand there and

627
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,480
make sure I don't screw it up.
So.

628
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,800
Well, you know, if if you ever,
if you ever invite me to come

629
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,120
over and visit, I'll come over
and visit and I'll help you set

630
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,360
up your your stuff and we can do
a proper podcast.

631
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,560
That'd be fun.
Me and you and Jonathan get

632
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,280
Jonathan back on.
What You know that you funny you

633
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,320
say that he is in Nashville
today?

634
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,800
Oh, is he really?
We we were thinking about when

635
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
he lands the run up there, maybe
have dinner with him tonight,

636
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,200
so.
Oh, that's fun.

637
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Well, he hadn't.
He hadn't updated his arrival

638
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,920
stuff, but either Thursday or
Friday he'd be there and today's

639
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,040
the day.
So anyway, I don't know what he

640
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680
came over for, but I think
they're working on his boat and

641
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,480
pulling it out of the water and
repainting it and stuff.

642
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,320
So he said it's time to travel
while I got while the boats

643
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,120
being worked on.
That's another thing that we

644
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,200
boating people know all about
is, you know, boats need work,

645
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,360
unfortunately.
I tell you what, it was too

646
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,240
expensive for me.
I gave up on it.

647
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,280
So it's something cheaper.
RV is is a lot cheaper by the

648
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,240
way.
Yeah.

649
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080
So do you still do that?
Do you guys still travel around

650
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,200
a bunch?
Well we've we've taken RV to

651
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,600
California or Nevada like 4-4
times and my my brother just

652
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,880
borrowed my RV to go to Illinois
for the the eclipse.

653
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,040
So yeah we we we use it quite a
lot.

654
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,920
I we go to Orange Beach and it a
lot own some RV lots down there

655
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,840
that we rent out most of the
time.

656
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,440
It's it's very convenient very
economical and you know we know

657
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,480
it's when it's there and we can
always book it when we need it

658
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,280
and it's close to all the
restaurants that we really

659
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,120
enjoy.
So yeah, we do.

660
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,080
We do use it.
Well, if you want to get

661
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,720
adventurous, drive on up to
Western Canada this summer and

662
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,960
you can.
You can park it in my driveway

663
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,400
and I'll show you around.
Is that where you are now?

664
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,440
No, I'm in.
I'm in Florida, but I spend the

665
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,240
summers now in up near Banff in
Canada.

666
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Too hot, Too hot in Fort
Lauderdale.

667
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,400
No, it's it's great here, but
it's just that, you know, once

668
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,880
my son was old enough and didn't
need me around 24/7, it was

669
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,800
like, what am I doing sitting
here in South Florida when I

670
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,760
could be at my house in the
mountains in Canada, You know,

671
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,000
enjoying.
I love it up there.

672
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,440
Like I love the mountains.
I love the view, I love the

673
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,160
people.
I love, you know, hiking and

674
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,840
biking and just all that that
offers, right.

675
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,840
So it's sort of the best of both
worlds.

676
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,160
You know you get you get
beautiful weather here in the

677
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,600
winter in Florida and very
unknown or or you know

678
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,480
adventurous weather in Canada in
the summer like you could get

679
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,040
snow in June.
You just don't know.

680
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,000
But well, you, you got the best
of both worlds there, Marcel.

681
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Yes, Sir.
So.

682
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,800
And with all this technology
that that works, you can do what

683
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,960
you do just about anywhere.
Yeah, Speaking of technology.

684
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,200
So you know in my little intro
that I did, I was, I was talking

685
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,960
about the podcast that I
recorded yesterday with you

686
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,440
probably don't know him, but
Glenn Rogeman owns a company in

687
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,800
Europe called AED.
And over the past 1215 years,

688
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,960
AED has really grown to be
they're sort of part main light,

689
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,880
part ACT entertainment or ACT
lighting, part like they're part

690
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,960
distributor, part cross rental
company.

691
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,160
They they do leasing for their
customers like they're just

692
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,640
they're a big conglomerate of
businesses really.

693
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,640
And Glenn's just a really smart
business guy that's very well

694
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,960
funded.
He's got a helicopter company,

695
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,160
he's got a big Ferrari
collection, he's just a neat guy

696
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,160
and he's really smart.
But we had a conversation about

697
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:21,200
AI and or IE as he calls it,
which is kind of funny because

698
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,920
he's he's from Belgium and it's
pronounced IE in Belgium because

699
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,880
A is I and I is E So it's IE.
He kept talking about IE and I'm

700
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,640
like what the hell is this guy
talking about?

701
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,360
But it was it was AI.
But one of the things that we

702
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,320
discussed, and I mentioned this
I think in my intro as well is

703
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,880
you know, our industry's pretty
freaked out about obviously for

704
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,680
for good reason being replaced
by by AI.

705
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,800
You know, lighting designers,
lighting programmers being

706
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:02,000
replaced by AI.
And so the conversation we had

707
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,160
is that One Direction I see this
all going is that common sense

708
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:13,520
prevails and AI remains an
augmentation to humans, not a

709
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,160
replacement for humans, a
support to humans, not a

710
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,000
replacement for humans.
So a few examples, like if you

711
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:27,000
were going in today or tomorrow
or next week and God forbid I

712
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,600
shouldn't even bring this up,
but let's say you had to go in

713
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,880
for life saving surgery.
Would you rather that be done by

714
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:41,760
an AI robot or by a human?
You're asking me?

715
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:49,800
Yeah, right now a human, but
probably in the future, like

716
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,480
these autonomous driving cars
are probably safer than humans

717
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,680
because they pay attention
better in the future and test

718
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,480
them on other people before you
come see me to chop me up.

719
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:07,480
But I I would say the AI would
definitely be better.

720
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,880
Yeah, well.
Wouldn't you?

721
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,520
No, yes.
No.

722
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Absolutely no.
No.

723
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,480
I would say that if AI was
available next week for me to go

724
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,000
have surgery by robot, I would
rather have a robot than a

725
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,680
human.
Because if you think about it on

726
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,160
the surface, a human and I'm not
putting down surgeons, they're

727
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,840
incredible.
You know, I've had a couple

728
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,800
surgeries and and thank God for
surgeons, but a human has

729
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:41,360
experience of however many books
he's read and however many

730
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,880
surgeries he's done.
So let's call it 500 surgeries

731
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,040
or 1000 surgeries.
Let's put a nice round Number on

732
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,000
it.
The surgeon that's working on

733
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,920
you to save your life has done
1000 surgeries.

734
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,520
He's got that information all in
his brain.

735
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Along with the books that he
learned in school.

736
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,440
AI has a million or 10 million
or 100 million surgeries and

737
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,040
every book on earth on that
topic in its brain and it

738
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520
doesn't have shaky hands.
You know it.

739
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,160
It hasn't had a an argument with
his wife an hour ago on the

740
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000
phone because he couldn't talk
to her because he had to go into

741
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,560
a surgery or he hasn't got a
hangover from getting drunk at

742
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,360
his brother's birthday party
last night or whatever, right?

743
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,840
AIAI to me is is much more
stable and predictable in that

744
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,640
role and so.
I just, I just agreed with you

745
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,360
on that, but but I don't think
I'm ready tomorrow to do that.

746
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Let AI, you know, you surgery on
like a couple 100 people and I

747
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,680
say OK now I think I'm ready.
Yeah, if this is all happening

748
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,520
really, really fast.
You know John Wiseman, right?

749
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,480
Oh, sure.
So a couple of years ago, John,

750
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,360
and I'm sure you wouldn't mind
me talking about it, but John

751
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,800
was diagnosed with a type of
cancer and I don't remember if

752
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,240
it was prostate or or but
something bad.

753
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,400
And you know, he was a little
bit freaked out and and went to

754
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,160
some really smart people and was
referred to someone who actually

755
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,680
happened to be very close to
him, very close to where he

756
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,520
lived.
And I believe the doctor was in

757
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,680
Reno or something and it was
this cutting edge new robotic

758
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:35,000
surgery and it had, you know,
very good track record so far.

759
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,520
Long story short, he did it.
It was incredible.

760
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,280
The time to heal was incredible
and he's completely free of

761
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,760
cancer and recommends it highly.
He said I would do it again in a

762
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,200
minute if if I had the same
problem or a similar problem and

763
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,000
that were presented to me.
So, So that's part one.

764
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,040
Part 2 we started talking about
because Glenn said so surgery,

765
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240
if I had to go for surgery, I
want a robot and AI performing

766
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,440
my surgery.
Number two, he said I want AI

767
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,440
cooking my food at a restaurant.
And I said no, no, no, no, no,

768
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,640
hold on a second because you
know I should back up a bit.

769
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,120
He's got this interesting
approach in that he owns a a

770
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,280
television and movie studio film
studio in over there.

771
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,760
AED Studios is is quite
beautiful.

772
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,120
He bought it in 2012 and has
turned it.

773
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,360
I think it's a half a million
square feet or something and

774
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,840
it's it's a beautiful studio.
And so he said you can't take

775
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,120
away the art from movies,
otherwise all movies, basically,

776
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,000
it's going to go like this.
AI will make movies get so good

777
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
so that everything's as good as
I think, he said Top Gun

778
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Maverick, You know, everything's
that good and but then it'll

779
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,720
just stay flat forever because
it's all perfect, everything's

780
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,760
perfect and it's pretty much
vanilla, you know, it's become

781
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,400
vanilla.
So he brought up food and I said

782
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,880
the same thing would happen with
food.

783
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,600
It would be exactly the same
every time you eat it.

784
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,320
Just like a Big Mac from
McDonald's.

785
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,800
You expect that from McDonald's.
But if I'm ordering a a $75

786
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,960
entree at a restaurant, I want
nuance.

787
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:22,200
I want the chef's attitude and
and passion in that food.

788
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,160
I don't want it made by a
machine so that it's exactly the

789
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,400
same every time, right?
I want little differences,

790
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,800
little uniqueness to it or
whatever, right?

791
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:38,120
And so we finally came to the
conclusion that AI should do the

792
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,920
prep on food, but the actual
combining of ingredients and the

793
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440
chef part should be done by a
chef.

794
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,320
So the artist does the art and
AI does the the grunt work

795
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,720
basically Does that ring A.
Bell does make sense, yeah,

796
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,840
Yeah, that does make sense.
Have you paid any attention to

797
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,440
this whole AI topic?
Well, you you see all this stuff

798
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,320
going on in Nashville and
Tennessee where songwriters do

799
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,600
not want AI U's for writing
songs.

800
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,240
And it takes, it takes what they
do away and you know that's how

801
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,960
they make their money.
And you know, I I just, I'm on

802
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Chrome or Microsoft something
and it's what do they call it?

803
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Copilot and and I can ask it all
these questions it's like a

804
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:32,160
souped up Siri and and to write
a paragraph about whatever and

805
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,000
it's it's just amazing.
Tell me a joke that that

806
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,720
lighting people would laugh at
and it it does a light bulb joke

807
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,760
or something.
How does it know all this stuff?

808
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,680
I I I see most of what I've seen
so far is silliness that I can

809
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,840
do.
But I see how the application

810
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,280
for you know, business acumen
and and how to be efficient and

811
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,080
how to analyze costs and things
like that.

812
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,800
It's staggering what it could
do.

813
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:04,040
Well, David, your your rental
business, your your real estate

814
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,320
rental business or whatever, you
don't have to.

815
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,880
I hope your lawyer ain't
listening.

816
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,160
But you don't got to pay your
lawyer to write a a simple

817
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,560
rental agreement.
AI can write that rental

818
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,160
agreement very quickly, very
efficiently, very effectively,

819
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,840
with loads and loads of
information behind it.

820
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Granted, it's not a IT.
AI isn't a lawyer, and it'll

821
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,040
tell you somewhere, some sort of
a disclaimer.

822
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,840
You might want to have your
lawyer look over this or

823
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,720
whatever, but AI knows that it's
way better than any agreement

824
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,000
your lawyer is going to draw for
you.

825
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Well, the lawyer is going to
youknowlawyer.com forms and

826
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,040
printing out the form and
editing 2 paragraphs and and it

827
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,200
said here I worked on this hard.
You know what I mean.

828
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,560
Two hours at $300.00 an hour.
Exactly.

829
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,120
No, exactly.
The form.

830
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,760
It's copy and.
Pasted.

831
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,560
Yeah.
But I've had some really good

832
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,680
luck with with that, with things
like legal agreements or

833
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,960
business plans.
Like I'm thinking about this

834
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:04,520
idea because now you can there's
AI tools now that are very

835
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,160
simple already to use as as a
human.

836
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,320
So I can talk to it just like
I'm talking to you right now.

837
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,360
And I, I can say, here's what
I'm thinking about putting

838
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,480
together, and I want you to tell
me if that's a, if that's a good

839
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,880
idea.
Do you think I could be

840
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,640
successful with it if I do it?
What color should the logo be?

841
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,960
How should I set up the
business?

842
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,520
How many employees should I
have?

843
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,360
Should I hire a marketing person
first or a salesperson?

844
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,560
You can just sit there and talk
to it for 30 minutes just like

845
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,560
that, and then it'll think for
about two minutes and it'll spit

846
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,840
out this unbelievable business
plan for you and you'll read it

847
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,160
going.
Wow, which service are you

848
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,040
using?
Well, that's just ChatGPT, but

849
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,200
it's the paid 1.
So if you use it's only 20 bucks

850
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,680
a month.
But if you use the paid ChatGPT,

851
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,760
it's a lot more powerful.
And it like there's something

852
00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:01,480
called Dolly DALLE and that
actually does graphics.

853
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,760
And so, you know, my girlfriend
was asking me one day, well, why

854
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,920
are you always talking to that
ChatGPT thing?

855
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,080
You know, what does it actually
do?

856
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,240
What can it do?
I can't believe it does all that

857
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,000
stuff.
And I said, so let me show you

858
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,120
something.
And I just in my head, I said,

859
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,040
OK, make me a picture of and I
want it animated.

860
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,960
Make me an animated picture.
And you could say an animated

861
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,720
picture in the style of Walt
Disney or in the style of

862
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,480
whatever, but make me an
animated picture of a cow riding

863
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,880
a bicycle with a frying pan in
one hand and a Bunny rabbit on

864
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,680
his head.
And there was something else.

865
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,160
I I just put a bunch of stuff
together in this ridiculous

866
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,720
picture and within a minute or
two I had a picture of a cow

867
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,080
riding a bicycle with a Bunny
rabbit on his head and a or her

868
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,360
head.
No, it was 100 year old woman

869
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,240
riding a bicycle.
That's what it was.

870
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,160
It wasn't a cow.
It was 100 year old woman with a

871
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,920
hat and A and a Bunny on top of
the hat and a frying pan in one

872
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,920
hand and riding the bicycle with
the other hand.

873
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,520
It was crazy.
It was just insane.

874
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,120
And she looked at it and she
goes where did it get that

875
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,760
image?
And I said it created it.

876
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,480
And you know, it's just, it's
hard to fathom like it's hard to

877
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
just build this all in your head
and go, what's going on here,

878
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,320
you know?
It's it's amazing.

879
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,320
You know what little I've I've
seen it do.

880
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,840
But you know, if you watch any
of these finance things programs

881
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,440
on TV like CNBC, that's just
it's it's what's dominating all

882
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,400
their discussions right now.
Yeah, picking, picking your

883
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,040
stocks and stuff.
Oh well there was a company and

884
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,720
I can't remember the name of the
guy, but his.

885
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,440
His.
They ask you like 10 questions

886
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,560
and and you you tell him the
answer to your 10 questions and

887
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,480
they design AI, designs your
portfolio for you and tells you

888
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,760
when to get in and get out or
just does it for you.

889
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:04,480
Yeah, based on, you know, your
risk, you know the risk that you

890
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,120
want to take in certain.
Things well in your age and what

891
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,480
your net.
Worth.

892
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Is and all of those things,
yeah.

893
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,800
And but guess what I mean, could
you imagine being an analyst

894
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,480
right now like an analyst is
just going to go, you know, look

895
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,320
at the company, review the
company, if they're high end

896
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,840
enough, they might have a
conversation with the C-Suite at

897
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,920
that company or whatever.
But you know to me AI is just

898
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,560
going to run over you.
It's got access to so much more

899
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,200
information so quickly.
Speed is the other thing that.

900
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,880
AI just went if you're talking
about lighting designers, I

901
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,200
mean, if you're given a package,
here's here's the bill of

902
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,480
materials.
Put a lighting show together,

903
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,560
cabling's no issue, Trussing's
no issue, and it'll come up with

904
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,240
an amazing thing.
And then program it to go with

905
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:54,240
this song and do it quickly
because I don't have a lot of

906
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,920
time to mess around you.
Know that's that's the slippery.

907
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,120
Slope hundreds and hundreds of
hours programming, yeah.

908
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,080
And and and and then they would
do the song a different way that

909
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,880
night.
Yeah, you know, I talked to, I

910
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,200
talked to, obviously lots and
lots of lighting people,

911
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,960
lighting designers, programmers,
just incredible and talented

912
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,640
artists, right?
And that's sort of where it

913
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,840
crosses into the slippery slope
area.

914
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:26,880
You know, everyone wants AI to
like design your your to lay out

915
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,200
your cable.
You know your.

916
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,480
I don't know what all the
different functions are because

917
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,400
I've never actually done it.
But the tedious work, the lines

918
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,560
of code in your programming
where you're just doing stuff

919
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,960
over and over again that you
have to do every time.

920
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,560
But it's got nothing to do with
the art, right?

921
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,400
You know, to to support you to
to act as an assistant to you,

922
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,240
but not to just take over your
job.

923
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,560
Like that's that's where
everyone wants it to go.

924
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,800
What I don't agree with is like
you were saying, writers are

925
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,960
losing their minds in Nashville.
Guess what I mean, you know the

926
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,360
you can't put the genie back in
the bottle.

927
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,880
It ain't going to happen.
So you got to find a way to to

928
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,280
either you get on the bus and
and find a good seat or you're

929
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,040
going to get run over by the bus
because the bus is coming.

930
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,960
You know you can't stop the bus.
So I do think there needs to be

931
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,040
legislation.
I do think that there needs to

932
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:33,440
be.
We don't want these AI things to

933
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,120
becoming smarter than us too
quickly and to to like, you

934
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,320
know, you can get into some real
voodoo kind of woo stuff where

935
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,200
it's like, you know who's the
boss, right?

936
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,880
Is the human the boss or is the
computer the boss?

937
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:54,560
And as these things become more
and more sentient and smarter,

938
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,000
and the models get bigger and
they have more information

939
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,240
stored, it gets scary.
Well, it means you think about a

940
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,640
songwriter.
You you you tell it to write me

941
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:12,600
a country song with a pickup
truck, an ex-girlfriend, a boot.

942
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,240
A.
Guitar, a dog, sunshine,

943
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,960
shooting a rabbit.
And it'll come back with an

944
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,320
amazing song.
And that's how that's how the

945
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,120
songwriters of the past used to
do it.

946
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,360
They just put a bunch of topics
together, but it'll do it in,

947
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,320
you know, a couple of minutes
where they spent maybe, you

948
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,560
know, 2 bottles of Jack, a six
pack of beer in a month to do

949
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,840
it.
Yeah, so.

950
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,280
What a what a difference.
Here's the question though.

951
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Who gets the publishing rights?
I don't know, but there's a

952
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,080
bunch of this discussion going
on in the Tennessee legislature

953
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,560
right now trying to sort this
stuff out.

954
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:53,440
I think CMT country radio, I
mean country museum.

955
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,000
People are working on how, how
to what do you do it?

956
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Yeah, you know, just like, I
don't know if you remember the

957
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:05,960
whole Napster thing, but do you,
do you remember Napster?

958
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,280
That was the song program.
Yeah, it was the first.

959
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,160
It was the first like real
streaming thing where you could

960
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,160
go get music from and it was
basically stealing music, you

961
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,800
know, because it was, it was
taking copies of these songs and

962
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,440
making them available to
everyone.

963
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,200
And you know, led by by Lars
from Metallica, there was this

964
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,960
big push to pretty much throw
people in jail and find people

965
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,520
and sue people and all this
stuff to just block.

966
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,600
You can't stream music.
Streaming is illegal.

967
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,640
We're blocking it.
And you know time went on to to

968
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,200
to prove that you can't stop
technology.

969
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,760
You just can't.
That can't be the solution,

970
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,920
stopping it.
What you need to do is harness

971
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,040
it.
You need to apply some some

972
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,800
rules and legislature and safety
protocol to it.

973
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,760
And that's what happened with
streaming music.

974
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,040
You know, along came Apple and
said we're just going to charge

975
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,640
people.
And we think that because we're

976
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,120
giving them this great device
that they can put those songs

977
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,320
onto, we're going to create a
market to be able to charge

978
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,400
people for the music.
And then we're going to share

979
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,280
that revenue obviously, with the
artists.

980
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,800
And that was such a better
model.

981
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,880
And artists would tell you if
they could, they'd go back to

982
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,200
CDs because they made a lot more
money selling CDs than they do

983
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,120
streaming songs.
But you can't, you know, again,

984
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,200
it's we've moved past that.
It's different.

985
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,080
Well, it used to be the the
record companies drove the

986
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,400
production industry.
I mean the touring was was run

987
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,480
by the record companies to sell
records and and then they've

988
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,840
evaporated.
They don't, you know, they don't

989
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,680
have control of any of that.
Anymore.

990
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,240
No, no, it's.
The artist and and selling

991
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,080
tickets and and you know doing
it that way, it's well, because.

992
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,600
The money dropped out of
everything.

993
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,200
And there was, that's right.
And there was a there was a

994
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,240
period of time.
It's like we don't know what the

995
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,680
next steps going to be.
And I think investment in live

996
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,680
events suffered from it for a
while while we were trying to

997
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:13,960
figure out what was the next
step.

998
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,840
Yeah, it was sell tickets that's
that's where you know it.

999
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,840
It's come back to SO.
In a big way like.

1000
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Right now.
Right now the are are you paying

1001
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,720
attention to what's going on in
the touring world now compared

1002
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,680
to where it was when when you
were in it?

1003
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Well, I mean, I hear all about
Taylor Swift.

1004
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,200
That's amazing.
That's and it seems like concert

1005
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,440
business.
We we did.

1006
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,360
We had her as a opening act for
Brad Paisley.

1007
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,800
She had, we were the first time
I saw her was in Chattanooga.

1008
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,600
We rented the Civic Center up
there to do rehearsals.

1009
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,200
So it was Kelly Pickler.
It was Taylor Swift opening for

1010
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,480
Brad Paisley.
The Pickler got up by herself,

1011
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,880
did her few songs, and then
Taylor came on with her with her

1012
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,920
boots, her little parachute
dress and a guitar by herself in

1013
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,400
a empty room, you know, a 10,000
seat room, empty.

1014
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,920
And she owned the building.
I mean she had something and you

1015
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,520
know what?
That's something I'm talking

1016
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,320
about that that you just, you
don't see very often.

1017
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,360
I I look in my past like Johnny
Cash would walk in the room.

1018
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,040
We did the same kind of charisma
and it was it was not long when

1019
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,240
people were coming to see Taylor
Swift, not Brad.

1020
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,720
Yeah, yeah, well that seems to
have worked out OK.

1021
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,000
And you, you remember, you spoke
of Jonathan Jonathan's meeting.

1022
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,280
Was he did the design for
Taylor's first solo tour,

1023
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,680
headline tour and did the
lighting design and the video

1024
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,880
content.
And then, you know, Jonathan

1025
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,040
tells a story.
He only wants to do it once with

1026
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,960
somebody he wants.
He wanted to move on and you

1027
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,080
know, gosh, what an amazing
thing to follow.

1028
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,480
But I don't know if he could
have kept up with it.

1029
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,520
Well, he also, and I don't know
that he'd love me sharing this,

1030
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,080
but he told me that she was
tough, she was difficult.

1031
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,040
And he, he said Madonna got
nothing on her.

1032
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,360
You know, she was tough.
And I don't know if it was

1033
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,200
because of her mom or what, but
apparently it wasn't the easiest

1034
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:30,080
situation to to work in.
So I I saw yesterday, today for

1035
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:35,920
she's the first entertainer to
become a billionaire by

1036
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,040
entertainment alone.
Not investing money that they

1037
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,520
made in the entertainment, but
by just entertainment alone.

1038
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,280
Damn, that's incredible.
And.

1039
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,600
Not that many years, really.
No kid.

1040
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,760
No, kid.
That's wild.

1041
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,400
And you know, that's a
phenomenon.

1042
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,680
Like she's gone beyond being a
performing artist or whatever.

1043
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,240
It's a phenomenon.
It's like that Justin Bieber

1044
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,680
thing that happened for a while
and except way bigger, you know,

1045
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,680
Michael Jackson.
Yeah, it's it's, you know, it's

1046
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,760
that phenom sort of area and
it'll burn out.

1047
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,320
I mean, at some point I'm
guessing that that her massive,

1048
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,080
you know, whatever they call
them, Swifties will either move

1049
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,200
on to the next thing or or
something.

1050
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,000
Like I just can't imagine she's
going to be this big forever.

1051
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,760
Maybe she is, maybe I'm wrong,
but it's pretty cool.

1052
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,800
It's pretty cool to see, you
know, and just the numbers that

1053
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,640
are being generated out there,
not just by her, but in general

1054
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,800
by touring, is just crazy mind
blowing.

1055
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,640
Touring you know tickets I I
pulled up a a flyer the other

1056
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,960
day and it was Atlanta Rhythm
Section.

1057
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,560
It was 50 year anniversary of
the the Von Braun Civic Center

1058
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,440
here in Huntsville and the first
rock concert I was involved in

1059
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,200
and the tickets were $4.00 five
at the door and and there was

1060
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,160
5000 people at that show I
remember that was part of the

1061
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:09,640
settlement so 5000 * 5 dollars
$25,000 there was 4 bands sound,

1062
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,880
lighting staging rental of the
building $25,000 was the was the

1063
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,120
total.
Ticket.

1064
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,720
Get in and in that.
How?

1065
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,880
How did that happen?
My buddy was in Memphis for The

1066
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,880
Beatles when they played played
there years ago.

1067
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,560
What about 50 years ago?
And his ticket was $6 to see the

1068
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,040
beat.
Jesus, isn't that incredible?

1069
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,600
Can you imagine what a Beatles
ticket would be today if if,

1070
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,400
like, even if it was just, you
know, well, I don't know that

1071
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,600
you could even do do a Beatles
reunion with two of them

1072
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,600
anymore.
But you know, if they were alive

1073
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,440
and they were to come back
together and do one show or 10

1074
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,960
shows or whatever, I can't even
imagine what that number would

1075
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,320
look like.
No, no.

1076
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,480
Unbelievable.
People would pay any amount of

1077
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,560
money.
You know, 'cause their fans are

1078
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,920
all 60 year old rich people now,
or 70 year old rich people.

1079
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Well, you, you know some of the
numbers you're hearing from

1080
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,720
Taylor Swift $5000 Tickets, VIP
here.

1081
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,120
I mean crazy.
Crazy.

1082
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,640
Incredible.
Incredible.

1083
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,560
Well, and any and even just
somebody.

1084
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,440
It ain't even just her, you
know.

1085
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,600
It's like I had Dan Brown from
Metallica on the podcast last

1086
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:23,720
week.
Well, actually, I think it

1087
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,960
launched today.
I think it comes out today.

1088
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,640
You know, Metallica, if you
would have told me in the 70s

1089
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,640
that Metallica would still be
playing in 2024 and one of the

1090
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
biggest bands in the world, if
not the biggest band in the

1091
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,560
world, I would have been like,
you're crazy, you're out of your

1092
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,880
mind.
I didn't see, like, longevity to

1093
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:51,000
me was not something that, you
know, went along with Metallica

1094
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,920
and it's just unbelievable.
They are a machine that is a

1095
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,200
massive business, The Metallica
machine, you know, it's

1096
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,640
incredible and you know they're
going.

1097
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,400
They're doing stadiums for two
nights.

1098
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,600
They'll do two nights at the
same stadium and sell it out

1099
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,480
both nights, big time.
And they do two different sets

1100
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,600
on the two different nights so
that they're enticing the crazy

1101
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,080
fans to go to both of them, you
know, and I don't know how much

1102
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,080
the tickets cost, but probably
on the secondary market, the,

1103
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,360
the scalpers or whatever,
they're probably 1000 bucks or

1104
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,760
more to see Metallica and good
seats.

1105
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,360
That's crazy.
The money's insane right now.

1106
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,080
It's so big.
And you know, if you, if you

1107
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,200
listen to Live Nation, it's just
going to get bigger.

1108
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,520
Like they think that for the
entertainment value that is

1109
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,960
being given, they're leaving
money on the table.

1110
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,640
The price is too low for concert
tickets right now.

1111
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,880
And I'm like, what?
You got to be kidding me.

1112
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,920
But, you know, they look at the
average sticker price on a

1113
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,120
ticket and when you talk about
average, you're talking, you

1114
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,280
know, a lot of those are below
average.

1115
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,600
They're in nightclubs or very
small theaters or small venues

1116
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,880
or whatever.
And then you've got, you know

1117
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,520
the Taylor Swift's and and Bruce
Springsteen's who are $5000

1118
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,240
tickets or whatever, but they're
saying the average is I think

1119
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,000
like $65 or something for a
concert ticket.

1120
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,840
I haven't seen any shows that I
would like to see that are $65.

1121
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,640
They're they're all $100 or
more.

1122
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,760
Everything, everything.
There is no cheap seats anymore.

1123
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,440
No, not really.
Not really.

1124
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,560
You know, another one that
surprised the hell out of me,

1125
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,240
and I talk about it often, is
Mötley Crüe doing stadiums and

1126
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:40,920
getting $400.00 for tickets?
Again, that just wasn't one that

1127
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,160
I would have said I saw coming.
No way.

1128
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,120
But hey, God bless, good luck,
Good on them.

1129
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,560
You know that they're still able
to pull that kind of money.

1130
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,880
No kidding.
Times have changed.

1131
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,320
And and and that's that doesn't
matter.

1132
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,800
It doesn't matter if they sell
music anymore as long as they

1133
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,800
sell tickets for people to come
to the show and give them an

1134
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,280
experience.
Yeah, it seems like, I mean,

1135
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,120
I've been out of this for for a
few years now, but it seems like

1136
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,040
all the equipment suppliers,
they're doing very well.

1137
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,760
You know, the rental houses,
putting the gear out there, like

1138
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,360
you just talked about Mike
Kean's new company.

1139
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,280
It sounds like everybody's busy.
They're all scurrying around

1140
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,720
looking for more gear right now.
Not as much now.

1141
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,880
Like, it's pretty much since
COVID.

1142
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,800
Like you went through these
waves after COVID.

1143
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:37,400
You know, the first wave was
things started trickling out and

1144
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,560
opening up in early 21 pretty
much.

1145
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,160
And those people were able to
get gear because there was a lot

1146
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,080
of sellers out there who were
willing to like even

1147
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,320
manufacturers had stagnant
inventory that they've been

1148
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,200
sitting on since early 2020.
So they were happy to cut deals

1149
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,920
to get that stuff out of their
warehouse rental companies.

1150
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:03,280
A lot of them were broken behind
with their bank payments and

1151
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,800
getting hit over the head by the
banker and they couldn't pay

1152
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,920
their rent and all that stuff.
So they were happy to sell off

1153
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,800
some of their used stuff So
early.

1154
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,520
It was it was pretty easy and
like the prices on used gear was

1155
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:20,720
were pretty low.
But then it started to just get

1156
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,880
wild and by the time you got
late 21, early 22, it was just

1157
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,160
gangbusters.
It was like, you know, what do

1158
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,760
you got sitting still?
I'll buy them all.

1159
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,880
You know how many of those can I
get?

1160
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,200
I'll take them all.
And people were just hoarding

1161
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,160
gear, like just getting whatever
they possibly could.

1162
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,560
And one of the examples I use
often is the price of a used

1163
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,479
grand.
MA Two was during COVID in 2020,

1164
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,840
was about between 12 and 15,000
depending on where it came from

1165
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,160
and what kind of condition it
was in and stuff. 12 to 15 grand

1166
01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:04,880
for a a old beat up MA 2.
Those went during 22 and 23 as

1167
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,200
high as like 35 grand for a used
MA two.

1168
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:13,319
And today, they're hovering
around 2020 grand.

1169
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,319
Well, see that?
That's that's the neat thing

1170
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,680
about Gear Source.
You have that data.

1171
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,000
Yeah, what?
What that gear turns out and

1172
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,479
what you know what you can sell
it for.

1173
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,359
What the average price is?
I mean, that's some valuable

1174
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,319
data right there, Marcel.
Yeah.

1175
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,920
If you can figure out how to get
the value out of that, let me

1176
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,040
know because I've always
wondered, you know, because we

1177
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,439
have 20 years of that.
By the way, we know all the

1178
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,399
different trends for all the
different like if you asked me,

1179
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,399
you know an Intellibeam, what
was pricing like or a Cyber

1180
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,240
Light, what was pricing like on
a Cyber Light?

1181
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,840
I could tell you when I started
the business just shortly after

1182
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,880
because I wasn't collecting much
data in the beginning.

1183
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,880
But I could tell you how much it
was then and what it went down

1184
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,600
to and how much they are today.
And I could show you the line

1185
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,920
that that trend looked like.
And but yeah, so, you know, so

1186
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,080
gear by 22 and 23 what was
happening is now you had sort of

1187
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,520
a clashing of all kinds of
problems, supply chain problems,

1188
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,800
just capacity problems like
build capacity.

1189
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,160
You know, companies just
couldn't build enough gear to

1190
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,560
hit this demand that the market
suddenly had.

1191
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,560
And so everybody was trying to
ramp up their, their

1192
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,600
capabilities to produce product,
to build product.

1193
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,520
But you couldn't be crazy about
it because everyone knew that

1194
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,520
this wasn't a permanent growth
spurt in the market.

1195
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,680
Like it wasn't going to go up by
3X and then stay there.

1196
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,520
It was going to go up by 3X and
then drop back down to maybe

1197
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,600
1.21 point 5X, right.
So you didn't want to just go

1198
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,240
build bigger factories and and
lots of buildings and all this

1199
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:00,920
stuff and invest huge money into
it, but but then what's

1200
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,560
happened?
So now things like the MA3

1201
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,320
console has like a year back
order on it for the most part.

1202
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,200
Digico consoles, like a lot of
the newer digital consoles, a

1203
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,840
lot of the big D&B or L acoustic
sound systems, line array

1204
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,920
systems, there's just all kinds
of crazy delays, like a year, a

1205
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,200
year and a half delays on a lot
of things.

1206
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,720
And think of running your
company, you know, and you've

1207
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,240
got to now make a decision,
first of all that I'm going to

1208
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,480
go spend $2,000,000 on this new
speaker system that I got to

1209
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,840
have.
And then they tell you that you

1210
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,280
got to wait a year and a half to
get it.

1211
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,920
So now what do I do?
You know, how do you plan for

1212
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,840
that?
How do you work around that kind

1213
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,080
of stuff?
It's really hard.

1214
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:45,640
It ain't easy.
Man, Oh, sure.

1215
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,680
Yeah, that's that's the thing
about business.

1216
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,000
You're always trying to right
size your business people you

1217
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,880
know equipment the size of
infrastructure training

1218
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,800
everything is you're always
right sizing.

1219
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,880
You're always, you know, trying
to look around that corner and

1220
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,480
see what's next and and making
sure that when you get around

1221
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:08,400
the corner you're prepared.
Business is, is test.

1222
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,400
Well, that's what all this data
that AI is giving you getting

1223
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,680
back to that give me that
information to make some of

1224
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,280
those decisions that you know,
we used to do it, you know

1225
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,840
spreadsheet back when it was a
piece of paper and a pencil.

1226
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,880
Yeah, Yeah.
No, you're right.

1227
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,360
You're right.
It's it's, it's incredible

1228
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,160
stuff.
But you know, one of the things

1229
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:36,640
like you were always sort of,
you know, in line with like a, a

1230
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:42,160
Bobby Cannon where you just knew
how to buy product, you knew how

1231
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,200
to rent product and you knew how
to sell it and you knew when to

1232
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,400
sell it.
And you and Bobby Cannon I think

1233
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,960
were two of the guys who were
who were really good at that.

1234
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:55,960
And I think it, it probably
helped to enable you to you know

1235
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,720
to build a really great business
that ultimately attracted the

1236
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,520
likes of of A4 Wall who I'm sure
overpaid for your company

1237
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,800
because knowing you you you
figured that one out too.

1238
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:11,680
But, but have you ever thought
about what that process like

1239
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,000
that you used to do so well with
with like high end in

1240
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,360
particular, you were one of the
better high end guys out there

1241
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,960
who just knew what to buy, when
to buy, how much to buy and when

1242
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,000
to sell it and and get top
dollar for it and all that kind

1243
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,240
of stuff.
Have you ever thought about what

1244
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,880
that looks like today 'cause
like Cyberlight, buy it for

1245
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:40,000
5000, rent it for 250 a week and
sell it for 4500 or whatever

1246
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:46,040
right today?
You know, fixture A, fixture X,

1247
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,280
whatever it is, it doesn't even
matter is $12,000.

1248
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:58,720
You rent it for 150 or $200.00
and you sell it for $5000.

1249
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,160
It's just a whole different
thing.

1250
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,360
And you need, by the way, you
used to need 24 of those to put

1251
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,200
out a country act.
Now you need 400 or 600 of them.

1252
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,880
That's right.
It it, you know the relationship

1253
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,040
I had with high end I couldn't
duplicate with other

1254
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:23,840
manufacturers.
They needed, they needed me, us

1255
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,560
and and we needed them it was it
was a very good relationship.

1256
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:33,800
So you know trying to to to make
use all the angles you had

1257
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,520
depreciation, you had you know
the rental income and you had

1258
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,640
selling used equipment.
There's a fine line between when

1259
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,240
to do that and when not to do
that.

1260
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,280
If you do it too soon you lose
income.

1261
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,080
I tried to be cutting edge with
a lot of that stuff and because

1262
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,760
of that I'd get a special deal
after high end kind of lost

1263
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,760
their their their way there for
a while.

1264
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,680
It was hard to get that
relationship with any other

1265
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,640
manufacturer.
Verilight wouldn't play that

1266
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,560
way.
Some of the European companies

1267
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,240
wouldn't play that way.
So it was you had to reinvent it

1268
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,560
and and then you had to make it
just on on rentals and

1269
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,720
depreciation that would you know
sell it for a little bit more

1270
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,800
than what your book value is and
move on.

1271
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:21,520
And if you hold a piece of gear
too long you throw it in that

1272
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,640
dumpster.
I mean we also cyberlize people

1273
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:25,920
were just throwing them in the
dumpster.

1274
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,680
It wasn't even worth taking them
out of the road boxes, throw

1275
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,200
them in the dumpster, in the
road box, what do you do with

1276
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:35,640
them They won't rent.
So it was it's a it's a fine

1277
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,840
line which is where you know
people like your company came

1278
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,920
out and and got rid of some of
that stuff.

1279
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,320
I don't know where it all goes.
You know you you probably have a

1280
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,280
better idea where where gear is
it?

1281
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,400
Does the United States used gear
go to South America or?

1282
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,040
It's not like that really.
Yeah.

1283
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,760
You know, I think it used to be
a little bit like that where you

1284
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,760
just dumped your garbage into
Mexico or South America.

1285
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,200
But they're very savvy markets
now.

1286
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,280
You know, they're buying cutting
edge latest stuff too.

1287
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,200
And so they're not just dumping
India, same thing.

1288
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,640
You know, they've even created
laws in some of these countries

1289
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,320
where you can't dump your used
junk into those countries.

1290
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:19,520
And so everyone is is a lot more
cutting edge now.

1291
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,680
Like, you know, occasionally
we'll get somebody who will put

1292
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,440
100 Mac 2000s up on the site or
whatever.

1293
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,880
And you know, if they're 200
bucks each, eventually you're

1294
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,200
going to find somebody who just
goes, yeah, you know what?

1295
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,840
I can put these things to work
in my crappy little market here

1296
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,920
I'm in or whatever.
But for the most part, you know,

1297
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,640
it's newer gear is what people
are looking for.

1298
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,360
They're not looking for old
cyber lights or old Mac 2000s or

1299
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,000
old Vera lights or whatever.
That stuff just gets devalued to

1300
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,200
a point where it's almost not
even worth shipping, You know,

1301
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,920
because sometimes the shipping
is more than the two VL three

1302
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,160
thousands in a flight case or
whatever, you know?

1303
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,400
You you pay 300 for the for the
fixture and the light bulbs 350.

1304
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,200
Yeah, yeah, that happens too.
Yeah, well, and that happened

1305
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,120
for a long time with like studio
colors.

1306
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,920
Use studio colors the the
motherboard.

1307
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,760
You know, if the motherboard
went the second week that you

1308
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,320
had these used studio colors, it
was like, I don't know what it

1309
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,480
was 1200 bucks or something
until Mercury started the light

1310
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:23,320
parts thing and and got the
cheaper versions of them.

1311
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:29,480
But you know it it's it's an
interesting market and anytime I

1312
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:33,040
see like people enter the used
gear market and this is by no

1313
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,960
means patting my own back or
anything, but they think it's

1314
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,720
easy and they don't pay any
attention to all that data that

1315
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,280
goes into it and all that
history and experience and

1316
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,240
knowledge and everything else.
You know, we know where all the

1317
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,840
bodies are buried because we've
been doing this over 20 years

1318
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,800
now and we've got the we've got
the data on it.

1319
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,600
And besides that, if you want to
be really successful with used

1320
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,800
gear, and I tell people this all
day, every day because people

1321
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,080
now have just gotten lazy and
they'll pop it up on Facebook

1322
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,520
Marketplace or something.
And the the challenge with that

1323
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,800
is you're going to sell it to
someone who can drive over to

1324
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,600
your shop and pick it up.
If that's what you're aiming to

1325
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,560
do, then do that, You know, go
ahead, put it on Facebook

1326
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,440
Marketplace.
I'm not adding much value.

1327
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:20,880
If you're going to sell it to
the guy down the street unless

1328
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,240
he hates you and he wants to buy
it through a third party, great,

1329
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,640
I can help you with that.
But which I used to always do by

1330
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:32,240
the way in Vegas when Four Wall
and PRG wouldn't do business

1331
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,480
together.
So Canon would come to me and

1332
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:39,920
buy 100 lights from PRG and it
was the craziest thing, you

1333
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,240
know, like they wouldn't sell
them to to Canon, but they'd

1334
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,600
sell them through me to Canon,
OK?

1335
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,400
Isn't that something?
Yeah.

1336
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:55,000
So you know it's it's like the
the magic now is having lots of

1337
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,600
markets.
We do business in over 100

1338
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:01,640
countries today and so in in all
kinds of different currencies as

1339
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,520
well and and we know the
taxation laws in all of these

1340
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,160
different places and we manage
all of that craziness.

1341
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:14,120
And so, you know, if you want to
be able to sell that gear most

1342
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,320
effectively or efficiently and
get the highest cost, it's good

1343
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,240
to go to a global market 'cause
sometimes like, I don't know if

1344
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:24,280
you remember, but like back
probably 20 years ago now, 15

1345
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,280
years ago, VL, three thousands
were the hottest thing on the

1346
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,760
used market.
They were selling like if you

1347
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,800
were a good dealer, you could
buy them use them for six months

1348
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,640
and then sell them for more than
you paid for them still or use

1349
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,680
them for a year and sell them
for more than you paid for them,

1350
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,160
especially into Europe.
And and it was because of the

1351
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,120
dollar exchange with the euro
and and because it was AUS made

1352
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,800
product and blah blah, blah.
Similar thing right now with MA

1353
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,600
consoles, we we get people
buying MA threes in Europe,

1354
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,160
using them for six months,
putting them on the used market

1355
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,120
and getting what they paid for
them, if not a little bit more,

1356
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,160
selling them into the US you
know that happens quite often

1357
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,720
right now.
That's what we used to do with

1358
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,120
the whole hogs.
You know, they would bring them

1359
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,640
over high.
This was before high end took

1360
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,080
over.
I think it was still when Bobby

1361
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:16,960
Gordon was.
Was.

1362
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,760
Yeah, by the way, Bob, Bob, if
you're listening, Dave's really

1363
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:25,240
sorry for doing that.
Doing what?

1364
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,600
Gray market consoles, bringing
in consoles from Europe.

1365
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:33,560
He's really sorry, honestly.
No, I mean we would we would buy

1366
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:38,160
from Bobby that's the point I'm
making and and and and use them

1367
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,920
for six months and sell them for
a little bit more than he was

1368
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,200
buying them for.
Yeah, we were buying them for

1369
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,760
them.
It it it just, it just wasn't

1370
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,280
enough product at that point
because that was a revolution.

1371
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,720
The whole hog changed
everything.

1372
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,600
Sure did and.
And I it's we have a bunch of

1373
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,240
them in rental.
Yeah, well, it changed more than

1374
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:02,720
just the technology side of it.
It created a market for

1375
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,640
programmers, you know, prior to
that, like prior to the whole

1376
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,640
hog, you didn't really see
moving like programmers getting

1377
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,480
200 and 5300 bucks a day like
that didn't really happen.

1378
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,520
Certainly some, some very
specific ones.

1379
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,960
Virtuoso or was it virtuoso?
Yeah, or artisan.

1380
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,280
Or whatever icon, whatever,
whatever barrel I had.

1381
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,600
Yeah, some of those specialty
guys and stuff.

1382
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,800
But it created this whole market
for whole Hog programmers.

1383
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,600
And I know, you know, ten of
these guys, 1520 of these guys

1384
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,960
who created really great careers
just from going, hey, I can

1385
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,720
figure this thing out and learn
how to do it.

1386
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,200
And they were nightclub guys or
whatever, and suddenly they were

1387
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:50,120
moving like programmers and made
careers from that.

1388
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,840
So yeah, that was, that was a
cool moment.

1389
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,720
But I guess the question I was
asking like, could you imagine

1390
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:03,680
the differences in running your
Business Today with the economy

1391
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:08,760
of the Business Today?
And so, you know, more income on

1392
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,320
the income side because it's so
batshit crazy busy out there and

1393
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:17,760
stuff, but a hell of a lot more
resources to commit on the other

1394
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:22,200
end as well.
Like, I mean, is it a business

1395
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,760
that it'd still make a lot of
sense to jump into today?

1396
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,760
I don't know.
Well, I I used to tell people we

1397
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,920
weren't, we weren't in the
lighting business, we were in

1398
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,280
the asset management business
and banking.

1399
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:37,000
I mean if I didn't have a a good
relationship with with my bank

1400
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,840
and call them up and say look I
need 100 grand, I'm going to buy

1401
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,680
some lights for XYZ tour and he
would say OK come get the money.

1402
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,760
If I had to go through Mother
may I financial statements the

1403
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,120
whole bit.
Every single time I did that, I

1404
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,960
I couldn't move as fast as I
needed.

1405
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,520
You.
Know and some of these deals

1406
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,880
they say well what if what if
the tour flops.

1407
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,760
I said well then they'll chop it
up and rent it to other people.

1408
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,840
You know it it it took a while
to train the bank to understand

1409
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:10,400
the business and and you know if
they didn't get beat and we we

1410
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,440
both did what we agreed to do.
It was a good relationship and

1411
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,920
and had to work with some of
these manufacturers.

1412
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,600
Look I I can't pay you in 30
days but I'm pretty sure I can

1413
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,680
pay you in 90 days.
Yeah they would work with you.

1414
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,280
Yeah.
I I don't know if those same

1415
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,240
relationships are are going on
now, but I would think.

1416
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,120
So they are.
Yeah, they are you.

1417
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,880
Know it kind of has to be.
Yeah, no, but I mean that number

1418
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,880
has just the, the, the baseline
has shifted so much now 'cause

1419
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:44,680
that 100 grand is now maybe
2,000,000, you know or or or

1420
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,040
whatever that number is today.
So it's it's a lot more

1421
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,040
information they're going to
want from Mr. Millie to hand you

1422
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,920
the 2 million that you need to
go buy that gear than it was for

1423
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:01,160
the 100,000.
Yeah we we would do a obviously

1424
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:07,720
didn't have that turned off we
technology I don't know what to

1425
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,080
turn on and turn off man I got
it's all good buttons here it's

1426
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:15,360
all good but the but the
relationship with with banking I

1427
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,560
mean it it's they they say well
I'm going to give credit to to

1428
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,320
you David Miley but who the hell
is Brad Paisley and does he pay

1429
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,360
his bills.
I said well you know I signed a

1430
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,120
contract with him saying he will
and I said what if his record

1431
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,760
stinks and it doesn't do any
good.

1432
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,160
Well, you know there's there's a
risk thing all the way up and

1433
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,160
down that food chain.
We're all in this together or

1434
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,120
not and you know it it, it took
a minute to get those

1435
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,200
relationships.
But I I would think that was one

1436
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:51,040
of the things that that made us
strong was banking relationships

1437
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:56,240
and that we treated it as a a a
real business, not a lighting

1438
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,880
company.
We could have been it could have

1439
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,120
been scaffolding.
It could have been you know

1440
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,200
wheelbarrows we were renting
like a you know an Ace Hardware

1441
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,480
kind of rental store and and
approached it the same way.

1442
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,480
They seem to make better money
return than some of the lighting

1443
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,160
product.
I think some people put lighting

1444
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:18,400
or or dead in the in the old
days they would they would put

1445
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,320
it out there just so they could
say they did.

1446
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,840
Brad Paisley's lighting Not
making money Doing it.

1447
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,920
That helped them with other
customers, that was.

1448
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,040
That was extremely common and it
still happens today like

1449
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,280
especially you know some of the
larger companies occasionally

1450
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:36,480
will will say we got to have
this deal, you know at all costs

1451
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,920
or whatever.
And you know, that's really hurt

1452
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,600
some companies along the way
too, you know, going after a

1453
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,760
deal that they probably
shouldn't have taken and and it

1454
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,320
cost them millions of dollars
and and hurt them bad, but.

1455
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,520
Well there's ways to get in
there and then and then fill out

1456
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,200
your contract in detail and then
say well if you want to make

1457
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:59,120
changes this is what happens and
and it's it's kind of don't get

1458
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,400
caught more than a couple of
times or or you will be out of

1459
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:03,360
this.
Yeah.

1460
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,080
There's education on the whole
thing, yeah.

1461
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,280
But we, we, like I said, we, we
weren't really a lighting

1462
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,720
company at some point.
We didn't do designs.

1463
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,960
We were just a asset manager.
Yeah, that's what we did, yeah.

1464
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:20,200
But move a year round.
Do you think though, like

1465
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,040
knowing what you know and you,
you ran your business for a

1466
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:29,640
number of years, but today do
you think you could compete as

1467
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:35,440
like a quote mom and pop or
would you have to be a private

1468
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:40,120
equity backed business that has
access to quick and relatively

1469
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:45,440
painless capital or flexible
capital or whatever you want to

1470
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:49,080
call it?
I don't think, I don't mom and

1471
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,920
pop thing could do local
business, little regional

1472
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,680
business, but I don't think you
could do global business without

1473
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,440
doing the way you just
described.

1474
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:02,760
Yeah, I mean I I missed the
opportunities to take Nashville

1475
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:07,080
bit acts to to Europe or
something and I couldn't pull

1476
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,960
that off because I didn't have
an office over there and those

1477
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,120
that did could pull that off.
And and if you did not have that

1478
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:17,080
kind of relationship or
knowledge or understanding or or

1479
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:22,080
reach, I didn't have the reach.
I think people that are in the

1480
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,920
the top echelon of the
entertainment business, they

1481
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,640
need that reach and without it,
you can't do it.

1482
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:32,200
I mean, PRG was kind of the
first really global equipment

1483
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:35,240
person.
Yeah, they were everywhere and

1484
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,440
and because of that they got
that business that nobody else

1485
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:41,920
could touch.
So but but I mean you know I

1486
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,360
guess the question answers
itself because if you look at

1487
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:52,120
all the biggest companies, PRG
4, Wall, Solo Tech Christie, you

1488
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,240
know basically all of them and
solo tech.

1489
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,160
I had Mickey Kurbishly on a
couple weeks ago and he said no

1490
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:04,320
we're not private equity backed.
But you know in a sense I guess

1491
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,200
he's right because it's a
private individual bronfman.

1492
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,520
But to me that's private equity
backed.

1493
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,800
You know you're backed by a very
deep pocket investor is is your

1494
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:20,040
main owner or whatever And but
if you're not private equity

1495
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,520
backed, I think you're really
going to struggle to get some of

1496
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,080
these big national or like you
said international touring acts.

1497
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,800
And you know there's some
exceptions like bandit,

1498
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:35,280
upstaging, premier, global.
You know, there are still some

1499
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:40,000
really large touring companies
and you know, upstaging

1500
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,600
obviously being the standout
that they are, they're, they're

1501
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,880
just an incredible company,
still one of the best lighting

1502
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:51,280
companies in the world probably
and somehow managed to like you.

1503
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,720
But then they scaled a lot
bigger I guess, but they managed

1504
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,680
to build a very competitive
lighting company without having

1505
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,000
to bring in money from private
equity.

1506
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,720
And so, yeah, it's it's
interesting because.

1507
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,400
Well, the upstaging is an
example.

1508
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,160
Did trucking build lighting?
Or did lighting build trucking?

1509
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:14,920
It's a great example.
Yeah.

1510
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,120
It's a good question.
Yeah, that's a good question.

1511
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:19,440
They're both.
Pretty successful.

1512
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,480
They're both of them are really
successful.

1513
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,720
Yeah, yeah.
But, you know, talk about

1514
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,800
assets, like, OK, we need some
new trucks.

1515
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,600
How much is a truck and how long
does it take to get one and

1516
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,040
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
right?

1517
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,960
Like, these are such big
businesses now with such big

1518
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,400
numbers that you got to write
checks for and stuff.

1519
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,840
It's scary.
You know, it's a wacky business

1520
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,960
now.
Like you got to you know it's

1521
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,600
it's definitely beyond my
financial skills to think like

1522
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,480
some of these you know Robert
Carone or or you know just any

1523
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:57,600
of these these big time guys who
are sitting in those positions

1524
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,880
going OK, we need $100 million
in CapEx over the next two years

1525
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,480
or whatever.
How are we going to manage that?

1526
01:30:03,480 --> 01:30:06,320
And it's like, whoa.
There.

1527
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:07,640
I'm back.
Cool.

1528
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,640
We're charging.
Cool.

1529
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,720
So you've been fixing up your
house?

1530
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:19,280
Well, we we moved into a fixer
upper and spent like 2 years

1531
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,480
painting and scraping and you
know making it ours and we're

1532
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:24,920
we're we're pretty much done
now.

1533
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,120
I got some landscaping to do.
You did it yourself.

1534
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,840
You always have something in the
house.

1535
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,960
You did it all yourself or?
Oh, no, no, no, no.

1536
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,000
We hired contractors.
So did you have to move out

1537
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,720
every time they were doing big
stuff or?

1538
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,280
Well, when we first bought it,
we lived in our RV for like 3

1539
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:49,080
months and then we did 1-1, the
master bedroom area and then we

1540
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,920
moved into it while they were
doing the rest of the house.

1541
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,520
Then you'd wake up, there'd be
eight people walking around,

1542
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,200
painting and scraping, putting
up gutters and that kind of

1543
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,200
thing.
And that went on for almost 2

1544
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,600
years.
It was like I said, it was a

1545
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,920
real fixer upper, but it's
turned out nice.

1546
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,560
You need to come visit.
I'd love to, yeah.

1547
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,680
I don't.
You know what I'm I'm in the

1548
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:15,600
middle of trying to make a life,
big life decision on whether I

1549
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,440
should drive up to my house in
Canada this year or fly like I

1550
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:22,960
normally do.
And last year I sort of did a

1551
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,760
hybrid.
I I shipped my car to Chicago

1552
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:30,360
and then drove from Chicago.
I went and visited some friends

1553
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,960
along the way, but drove from
Chicago up to to my house in

1554
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:38,080
Alberta and that worked out
really well, You know, because

1555
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:42,040
it's about a 2020 hour drive or
22 hour drive or something from

1556
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:47,040
from Chicago, which you know
that's a couple of long days but

1557
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,720
not that terrible and it was OK.
But we're thinking about doing

1558
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,720
the whole drive this year, like
driving all the way from here up

1559
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,120
to Alberta, which is around 40
hours of driving.

1560
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:03,440
And if we do, I'll definitely
plan to come through Alabama.

1561
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:04,880
So that'd be the beginning of
June.

1562
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,080
Well, Nashville's right.
We're we're 90 miles from

1563
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,200
Nashville.
Yeah, yeah.

1564
01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:13,960
Real close.
But I'd figure out how to map it

1565
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,800
so I could come by and and sit
down and have a couple of

1566
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,200
beverages and some barbecue and
then get the hell back on the

1567
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,320
road.
There we go That.

1568
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,200
'D be fun.
Yeah.

1569
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,000
You playing a bunch of golf
still?

1570
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:33,600
I I play two or three times a
week if the weather permits.

1571
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,240
You know, I I don't seem to be
getting any better and I don't

1572
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,920
seem to be getting much worse.
So I I do enjoy.

1573
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,720
I do enjoy it.
Yeah, I was mentioned in the in

1574
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,120
the intro that your new
occupation is stealing money

1575
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,360
from your golf buddies in in
bets.

1576
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,920
So.
Yeah, that's my part time job

1577
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,080
right now.
Yeah, playing golf.

1578
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,840
Yeah, you know, I remember you
used to be a big runner, right?

1579
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,480
I did.
I have a knee problem now, so I

1580
01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:09,320
don't do very much of that.
I do bike riding some, but I ran

1581
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,400
a few marathons and when I lived
in Nashville, I ran the

1582
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,800
Nashville Half Marathon, which
was a fun event.

1583
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,880
They had a band about every mile
set up on a little stage.

1584
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,240
So as you ran with, you know,
5000 people, they had

1585
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,760
entertainment through the whole
city.

1586
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,440
It was fun.
A lot of fun.

1587
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,760
Yeah, you know, the reason I
remember you're a runner is the

1588
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,680
weirdest reason.
And and you're going to laugh

1589
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:35,160
when I tell you this story, but
you and I ended up on the same

1590
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,320
golf for some at an LDI event or
one of an industry event, call

1591
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:40,640
it.
And I think it might have been

1592
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,880
LDI and it might have been the
Alice Cooper one even.

1593
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:48,600
And there was a sponsor or
something like a whole sponsor

1594
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:53,800
there or something, who was
selling technical socks and I

1595
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:54,560
didn't.
Even know there.

1596
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,040
Was I didn't even know there was
such a thing.

1597
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:01,560
And I ended up in the golf cart
with you for, I don't know three

1598
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,240
holes.
Probably getting a full on

1599
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,720
education on technical socks for
running and how people get

1600
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,120
injuries because of the socks
they wear and stuff.

1601
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,520
And I I don't know why I never
forgot that conversation.

1602
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,000
But every time I try to go run
and I'm like, oh, gotta get some

1603
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,360
good socks, you know I gotta get
the right socks.

1604
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:24,080
David told me so.
Well, I I remember a little bit

1605
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,880
more about that but, but I
didn't think it was, it was they

1606
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,760
were stagehand socks and I
ordered some and put my the name

1607
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,320
of the company on them and and
gave socks to people.

1608
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,760
It's almost cheaper than a than
a golf shirt or something and

1609
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,040
people wanted them.
I mean they were just competent

1610
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,080
at the bits to get you know two
or three pairs of socks because

1611
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,080
everybody needed them, right.
And and I remember they were

1612
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:53,000
made very, very well.
They supported them, yeah, or

1613
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:53,680
whatever.
So.

1614
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,720
Yeah, one there was a left and a
right.

1615
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,480
Like, I never even saw socks
that had a left and a right, and

1616
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:00,360
I think those ones had a left
and right.

1617
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,080
They did.
They did.

1618
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,080
They sure did.
Yeah, and I just.

1619
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,280
I got a full on education on
socks though on the golf course

1620
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:13,000
which was fun and I don't, you
won't remember this but I

1621
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,760
remember because it haunted me
for probably it's probably why I

1622
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,200
quit playing golf altogether.
Not to mention my terrible swing

1623
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:25,360
and bad attitude.
But we were on the 18th green

1624
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,400
and of course everyone's there,
right?

1625
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,680
And I got to hit the putt to, I
don't know, win the hole or win

1626
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,640
a bet or something.
I don't remember what it was.

1627
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,680
And all the upstaging guys were
standing right there and they

1628
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,160
were like, Marcel, I'll bet you
50 bucks you can't hit this.

1629
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:46,120
And like, everybody's throwing
money at me to hit this putt and

1630
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,760
I probably missed it by like
frigging 2 feet or something.

1631
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,400
Like it was just, it was so bad.
The putt was so bad.

1632
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,800
I was so nervous and probably
half drunk by then too.

1633
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,080
But I remember that last.
I remember that last, that last

1634
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,160
putt.
It was just brutal and I missed

1635
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,960
it so.
I missed those golf tournaments.

1636
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,560
That was always fun.
At LDI, it was fun.

1637
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,600
Why don't you go into an LDI and
play in the golf tournament?

1638
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,840
Just, well, I've been.
I've been to a couple of them.

1639
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,960
I had the, you know, one of the
things I did in in Anaheim, I

1640
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,200
guess that was not that would
have been my LDI.

1641
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:21,640
It was what's the other one?
Nam.

1642
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,200
Nam.
Yeah.

1643
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,840
I went to the Nam, went in and
presented Jonathan with his.

1644
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:28,760
Oh.
His Parnelli award?

1645
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,560
Yeah, that was fun.
Yeah.

1646
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:32,320
Hung out and saw a bunch of
people.

1647
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,200
Same faces.
A lot of the same faces, yeah.

1648
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,160
Yeah.
I guess once you get in this

1649
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,800
industry, you you can't get out.
It's it's a disease.

1650
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:47,160
You get stuck with it for sure.
Yeah, I know it's that that I

1651
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,720
actually missed LDI last year.
I think it was either the first

1652
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,080
or second one since the very
beginning of LDI that I missed.

1653
01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:57,840
And I thought, ah, it's no big
deal.

1654
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,200
I don't need to be at it.
And I was knee deep in in fixing

1655
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:06,680
a couple of big problems and I
was just dying the whole time

1656
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,160
because everybody was putting on
social media that this is the

1657
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,000
best show ever.
And what a great show and all

1658
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,400
this killer new technology.
And everybody was just so pumped

1659
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:16,960
about it and I was like, damn
it.

1660
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:22,120
And so I'm definitely going this
year, but you should go, you

1661
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,720
should go and just play in the
golf tournament and just say hi

1662
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,400
to people.
I'll do it.

1663
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:33,400
Yeah, that'd be fun.
So what is this Repo Man's

1664
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,920
story?
I'm sure I've heard it.

1665
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,080
Repo man.
Yeah.

1666
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,560
So I I don't know where that
came from, but somebody said

1667
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:48,000
that it's it's his.
Some TLS lore.

1668
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,560
Jessica Laney that used to work
for me, now works for for a

1669
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,480
while in Nashville, tells it,
tells a story, which means it

1670
01:37:55,480 --> 01:38:00,360
keeps on coming up.
Years ago we did a a comedy club

1671
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,880
in Birmingham, AL and put a
dimming Demian control system

1672
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:09,160
and lighting package and they
let's say it's 20 grand.

1673
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,560
I'm trying to, I can't remember
all the details about it.

1674
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,440
So they they give us $5000 and
we get all the stuff order, we

1675
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,240
get it installed and and they
owe us 15 grand.

1676
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,880
They said well we don't have the
money but we got a bunch of

1677
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,000
shows coming up that will pay
you.

1678
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,360
So you know, two months later we
haven't got any more money.

1679
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,360
It's Christmas.
I know that they're selling

1680
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,240
tickets because they have an
online site where you can see

1681
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,720
what how many seats are sold and
that kind of thing.

1682
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,480
So I called him up.
I said, well, I need, I need

1683
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,040
some money.
He says, oh, well, we're going

1684
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,480
to sell all these shows out.
We've got like three or four

1685
01:38:43,480 --> 01:38:46,400
shows in a row sold out.
So anyway, they're just, they're

1686
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:50,200
just playing me along.
So I get in the car, I drive to

1687
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:54,000
Birmingham, it's about 100 miles
and I get there at like 9:00 in

1688
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:57,840
the morning and I knock on the
the the door, the, the people,

1689
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,440
the clean up crews, they're
cleaning up.

1690
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:02,320
I said oh, I'm with with TLS.
I'm here to work on that

1691
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,840
lighting console.
That's that thing broke last

1692
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,480
night and they wanted me to come
in here early.

1693
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:09,280
So I'm talking to the the clean
up crew.

1694
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,160
So they let me in, take me to
the the control room and I I

1695
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,080
take the Control Board.
I open the dimmer rack and I

1696
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,680
pull a fuse or two out, close it
all back up.

1697
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,600
And I I walk out, said, yeah,
I'm going to run this over to my

1698
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,280
shop and work on it and I'll be
back in about an hour.

1699
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,360
So I put it in my car, I drive
it to the shopping center about

1700
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,280
a half a mile away and then I
walk back.

1701
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,200
I said, gentlemen, call, call
the police.

1702
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,400
Your console just got stolen and
you're not going to have a show

1703
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,600
tonight because you don't have
any lighting in the whole

1704
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:45,280
auditorium.
I got your control console.

1705
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,200
So they said, well, you can't do
that.

1706
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,080
I said we'll call your attorney,
call the police.

1707
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:53,320
I said I don't have any money to
pay my my employees Christmas

1708
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,760
bonuses or year end bonuses, so
I might as well spend it in

1709
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:01,160
jail.
And about two hours later all

1710
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,080
the all the owners were there,
their lawyer was there, the

1711
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:05,920
police was sitting in the car
out front.

1712
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,920
Nobody did anything and they
said, well how much do you need?

1713
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:12,160
I said, well I you know, you owe
me 15 grand.

1714
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:15,720
How about half of it?
So I I counted out $7500.

1715
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,440
I wanted cash.
They gave me 7500.

1716
01:40:18,440 --> 01:40:21,800
I went over, walked back to my
car, drove it over, put their

1717
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,120
console back in.
And then drove home.

1718
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,280
I never saw the other 7500, but
I did get that much.

1719
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:31,920
And Oh my God, when?
It went into bankruptcy about

1720
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,080
nine months later.
That same lawyer that was their

1721
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,040
lawyer was representing him in
the bankruptcy made sure that

1722
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:41,880
nobody else bid on the gear.
I bought my own gear back and I

1723
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,200
think ended up selling it for
like the Tupelo little.

1724
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,800
Theatre or something.
Oh my God, that's a crazy story.

1725
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,320
That's not the way you collect
on unpaid bills though.

1726
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,720
Yeah, I could have really gone
to jail for that.

1727
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:58,120
But, you know, it worked.
Well, you also could have, you

1728
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,680
also could have you know things
could go bad like you never know

1729
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:05,080
who these owners are sometimes
you know and sometimes they're

1730
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,680
sketchy characters and and you
know you put them out of.

1731
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,240
Business pretty locked me in a
room and started torturing me.

1732
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,160
Correct.
Yeah.

1733
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,280
Bad things could happen.
So it's probably.

1734
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:18,040
I know people who have done that
many, many times.

1735
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:21,520
You know, we used to, when I did
club installs and stuff, we used

1736
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,400
to make it real easy for us to
go in and shut off the system.

1737
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,120
This was before you could
actually remotely log into a

1738
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:31,640
system or anything.
But we made it real easy so that

1739
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,040
we could shut them down if we
needed to, to get paid.

1740
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:39,320
And but this was in Canada, like
in Canada, most people paid you.

1741
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,840
You didn't have a real problem
getting paid, usually.

1742
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,520
Well, this you have to do a
equipment lean and all this and

1743
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,960
it would take months and months.
It still took months to get the

1744
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,240
remainder of the money and and
they did come out.

1745
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,120
I had a little bit at the end,
but it took, you know, a year or

1746
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:58,200
so, year and a half to make it
all happen.

1747
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:01,680
Yeah, I try not to get in a
situation like that, but you

1748
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,640
know, it's, it's business.
You can't help.

1749
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,240
You know what one of the one of
the weirdest deals you and I

1750
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:12,640
ever did was?
You sold a lighting package to

1751
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:19,160
the Grand Biloxi Casino and it
got swamped and flooded in one

1752
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,600
of the Hurricanes.
That's right.

1753
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:25,480
And completely destroyed.
And so it was going through

1754
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:30,320
legal stuff and eventually the
insurance company hired a a

1755
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,040
salver to get rid of so that
they could tear the building

1756
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,800
down basically.
And so the salver got in touch

1757
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:42,000
with me somehow and I had a
company with in partnership with

1758
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,400
a local production company here
where we would buy inventory

1759
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,040
from like somebody going out of
business or whatever like like

1760
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,560
that deal that you did when you
bought your own gear back.

1761
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,960
We'd buy stuff like that and
then clean it up and and put it

1762
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,800
for sale on Gearsource.
And we don't do it anymore, but

1763
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:03,000
I did this in the past.
And so the salver said, hey, you

1764
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,600
know, we need you to come in and
take a look and and just make us

1765
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,400
an offer and we'll give you,
we'll give you one day of

1766
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,720
daylight to get everything you
can out of the building.

1767
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:16,160
And so we sent a crew up there
to, well, actually my partner

1768
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:19,720
went first and just took a look
to see how difficult it was

1769
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,600
going to be and how much stuff
he felt like could be pulled out

1770
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,120
of there.
And him and I talked a lot while

1771
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,760
he was there and he's like,
well, I could take this, but

1772
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,600
it's going to take two hours
probably to just get it

1773
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,920
disconnected or whatever.
Or I could take this in 5

1774
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,880
minutes and it's not worth as
much money, but let's maybe.

1775
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:39,200
So we started looking at the
whole thing saying we'll start

1776
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,680
here, we'll take this, this,
this, this, this, this, this and

1777
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,920
if we've still got time, we'll
take this right.

1778
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,880
Well anyways one of the things
we got was like I think it was

1779
01:43:48,440 --> 01:43:55,520
36 VL, three thousands washes
and and spots and and remember

1780
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:59,880
this place not only had it the
back wall been blown out and it

1781
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:04,400
it was now water coming in and
rain and storm and everything

1782
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,080
else.
But it had sat there for a few

1783
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,400
months since the hurricane while
insurance companies and stuff

1784
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:16,920
fought with lawyers.
And so we didn't know how good

1785
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:20,480
or bad the stuff was.
We we basically had all these

1786
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:22,160
Vera lights sitting on the floor
of the shop.

1787
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:26,080
We hadn't had time to look at
them yet and you made me an

1788
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:30,560
offer to buy them all.
And so just guessing on the

1789
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,720
math, you probably sold them to
them for 75108 thousand dollars.

1790
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,360
You bought them from me I think
for two grand each or something,

1791
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:42,520
for the whole lot you used.
I remember you telling me you

1792
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,560
sent me a message or something
and you said, hey, thanks for

1793
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:49,280
that deal.
I used all but like four of them

1794
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,600
on a show this weekend, like
three days after they arrived at

1795
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,320
your shop or whatever, you were
able to put them all out on a

1796
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,800
show.
Long story short, you came back

1797
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,320
to me, I don't know, a year
later or whatever and we resold

1798
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:06,520
those lights and I think you got
like 35104 grand each forum, so

1799
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,440
that probably worked out to be a
pretty good deal for you.

1800
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,760
It it was actually the Beau
Rivage and the whole back wall

1801
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,560
of the stage was blown out.
I think that was Katrina.

1802
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,640
And yeah, I think that's just
hung hung in there for almost a

1803
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:23,240
a year or six months anyway
before the stuff was taken down.

1804
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:29,320
Some of it was pretty rough.
The salt air and copper don't

1805
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:33,880
like each other and the salt air
starts to corrode on it but we

1806
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:38,320
we took every single one of them
apart, cleaned them up all the

1807
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,520
all the time the control boards
and stuff.

1808
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:45,520
Some of them were were rusted or
corroded and but you know that's

1809
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,920
the business we were in is is is
you know keeping moving lights

1810
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,360
working and I had the people,
the trained people, the parks it

1811
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,520
was and it was the product that
we had a bunch of already.

1812
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,560
So it.
Yeah, no that that was a that

1813
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:02,320
was an interesting deal and you
know there was AV Dosk sound

1814
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,960
system in there and L Acoustics
V Dosk sound system that I sold

1815
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:10,120
to to Greg at Clearwing.
Like I don't know a week after

1816
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:13,280
this whole deal went down and
you know it ended up being a

1817
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,760
pretty good deal for us.
But it was also a really good

1818
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,320
deal for all of the people that
we we sold all of the Big Lots

1819
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,280
of stuff to right in the
beginning because they all did

1820
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,440
really well on it.
I think I actually resold that

1821
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,120
sound system for Greg as well,
so.

1822
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:30,800
Well, there you go.
You sell something two or three

1823
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,240
times, you got to make money on
it.

1824
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,240
It all totally worked too, like
even all the amprax all the amps

1825
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:39,920
were good and like the stuff was
only as I recall it was only

1826
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,240
like 6 months old or something
when the when the hurricane hit

1827
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:46,120
that place.
They had a whole bunch of LED

1828
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:49,680
battens and I don't remember the
the brand or whose they were,

1829
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,880
but but I I promise you they
weren't.

1830
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:55,600
They weren't three months old.
He had like 20 of them.

1831
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:00,760
LED battens about 3 foot long.
I I don't remember those.

1832
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,840
Borrowing from Fred Mckeesy.
Yeah, I can't remember his.

1833
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:06,400
Company.
Yeah.

1834
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,480
Theatrical something.
I know who you I.

1835
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,040
Think I got his last name right,
Fred Mckeesy.

1836
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:15,800
Oh no, I know who you're talking
about.

1837
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:22,480
Yeah.
Anyways, move on. 2 old guys

1838
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:24,160
trying to remember somebody's
company.

1839
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:28,680
Name I remember, I know.
Yeah, but you know that that was

1840
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,280
just a wacky, interesting deal.
And and again, where everyone

1841
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,320
won like it.
You know, I like deals where

1842
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,360
everybody wins.
I guess the insurance company

1843
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:37,960
didn't win, but everybody else
won.

1844
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:42,480
So yeah, but it was just nutty
because literally we got like

1845
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:47,160
about 12 hours of daylight to
rip out everything we could.

1846
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:50,280
And it was a nasty environment
because you know, again it was

1847
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:55,520
there was you know mold and and.
Where did you get the crew to,

1848
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,520
to go in there and get the stuff
out from?

1849
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:02,600
Down here, my partner through my
partner down here, we we sent a

1850
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:07,200
crew up from down here so they
they drove a truck up there and

1851
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,640
it might have even been two
trucks if I remember.

1852
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,120
Yeah, I remember I flew into
Miami and rented the rider.

1853
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:18,200
A little cube truck went to your
place, I guess in Fort.

1854
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:19,640
Lauderdale, Yeah.
His place?

1855
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,040
Yeah.
His place, that's where I looked

1856
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:24,600
it over and said I'll take that,
that, that, that.

1857
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:26,480
Let's go.
Yeah, yeah.

1858
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,320
No, it was it was great.
It was fun.

1859
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:32,120
Well, I don't know.
You got anything else?

1860
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,000
Did I miss anything?
Did we forget to talk about

1861
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:38,200
anything?
That that we can say publicly

1862
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:40,600
probably not.
I think we've talked through it

1863
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,880
well, you know for inviting me
and and I just wanted to say one

1864
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,280
thing that that that you doing
these these webinars with all

1865
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:53,600
these different people has put
the history of our industry so

1866
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,400
that people can see what it what
it took to to get where we are.

1867
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:01,880
And I I I do respect you greatly
for having taken the time and

1868
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,200
vision to put it all together.
Thank you so much.

1869
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,120
Thank you so much for saying
that because that really is what

1870
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,600
it's about, you know?
It's about recording all of

1871
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,560
these amazing, wonderful,
incredible people.

1872
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:20,800
So that you know, they're not
forgotten and and so that there

1873
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,880
is some history and there is a A
record, you know, including

1874
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,800
myself, like I'm not going to be
here forever.

1875
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,600
So, you know, at some point, you
know, my grandkids or something

1876
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:32,800
are going to be listening to all
this stuff going.

1877
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:36,080
Our granddad was such an idiot,
you know, and you know what?

1878
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:37,800
To them right now.
Here's one of these.

1879
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:41,360
Here you go for calling your
granddad an idiot.

1880
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,640
But no, I appreciate you saying
that.

1881
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,720
I I got to tell you, I'm a fan
as much as I'm a part of it.

1882
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:50,160
So I love the stories.
Like, I got to tell you.

1883
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:54,760
Still, probably my number one
favorite story ever was when

1884
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,960
Jonathan told me they the smoke
on the water story.

1885
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:01,520
Like, still, when I tell people
that story, I get goosebumps,

1886
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,320
'cause that's how I felt right
at that moment when he told me.

1887
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:09,240
And it started hitting me going,
wait a SEC, where are you going

1888
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,000
with this?
And then, boom, he comes out and

1889
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,920
and says it.
And I was like, you got to be

1890
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,880
kidding me.
You were there, you know, for

1891
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,240
that song, for what that song
was written about.

1892
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,880
That's the first song I ever
played on a guitar, along with

1893
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:26,280
99% of other musicians out
there, right?

1894
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:32,200
Wow.
So, yeah, stories like that and

1895
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:37,280
and you know, your story and and
just how businesses were built

1896
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:41,440
out of nothing in this industry
without a bunch of cash, without

1897
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:44,200
a great plan, necessarily.
It was just out of passion.

1898
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:48,720
It was like, hey, I I love, you
know, live music or I love live

1899
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:52,600
events or I love lighting or I
love, you know, the artistry of

1900
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,280
all of this.
And I just want to be a part of

1901
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,560
it.
And and that turned into a

1902
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,840
business.
And it's not for money usually.

1903
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:00,720
It's it's usually for other
reasons.

1904
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:05,640
And so, yeah, I appreciate you
saying that, 'cause it really is

1905
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,120
what this is all about.
I'm certainly not getting rich

1906
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:13,600
off of it, so 230 something
episodes now and I've enjoyed

1907
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,640
almost.
All that blew me away when when

1908
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:20,920
your new lady told me that that
was 230 something episodes.

1909
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:23,640
That's amazing, Marcel.
Yeah, I didn't know there was

1910
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,040
that many people in our
industry.

1911
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,720
It's true.
Your original one was number.

1912
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,360
I think 14 is what I said.
Earlier 14 or 15, yeah, Yeah.

1913
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:36,160
It was episode 14, and that was.
I think Henry was still with me

1914
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:41,400
at that point.
And so, yeah, no, it's fine.

1915
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,120
I'm glad you took the time to do
it.

1916
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:46,320
Maybe when Jonathan's back
staying with you, we'll do

1917
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,000
another one with the three of us
or something all.

1918
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,080
Right.
Sounds good.

1919
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,160
Looking forward to it.
Thank you.

1920
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:53,640
Good job.
Thank you so much.

1921
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:54,960
All right, buddy.
Have a great day.

1922
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:11,600
Bye,
yeah.