#234 - Richard Cadena

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And so again, episode #234
today.

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So yeah, yesterday was really
good. 233 Episode 233 was Josh

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Allen, a guy who remarkably, I
guess I didn't know as much

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about as I thought because I
didn't even know that he lived

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in Scotland and so he was
talking to us from Scotland

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yesterday.
I hope you saw that podcast.

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It's very good.
Josh is an interesting guy.

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He's involved in a lot of
different stuff.

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I had no idea he was a Rep for
ETC and for other companies.

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He had his own Rep firm at one
point.

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You know the Josh that I know is
the three LR Josh who I guess

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that's been around since God, I
already forget it was just

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yesterday, but I think 2017.
I hope I'm right.

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Or maybe 2016 anyways.
Good guy, check it out if you

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haven't heard 223.
Great guy.

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I think he'll enjoy it.
And so today it's actually Good

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Friday and hopefully, you know
everyone's with their families

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and they're not working and
recording podcast like I am.

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Actually Gearsource has been
really busy today.

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It's the end of the month.
So we're also doing a lot of

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that stuff.
But yeah, so recording on Good

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Friday, by the time you hear
this, it will be at least April.

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I think launch for this one is
April 4th, which is next

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Thursday, I believe.
So hopefully you'll hear that on

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that day and maybe within a few
days of that.

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But anyways, today's guest
Richard Cadena, who's one of my

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favorite people.
I like Richard a lot, very smart

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guy, way smarter than me.
This is going to be tough.

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I'll have to really reach for
Brain Cells on this one.

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Richard is an ETCP Recognized
Trainer and ETCP Certified

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Entertainment Electrician with
over 36 years of experience in

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live event production.
And if you didn't know, he

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worked at High End Systems for a
long time.

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That's where I got to know
Richard.

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Richard is the author of
Electricity for Entertainment,

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Electricians and Technicians 3rd
Edition.

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Automated Lighting The Art and
Science of Moving and Color

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Change, Changing Light. 3rd
Edition lighting design for

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modern houses of worship.
Focus on lighting technology.

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He's written a bunch of books,
basically, and they're all

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really smart books.
As a freelance lighting designer

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and lighting consultant, Richard
has worked on concert tours,

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television, theater, motion
picture production, sporting

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events, and more.
His latest projects include

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supplying battery and solar
power for festival stages,

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lighting and basketball courts,
lighting the basketball courts

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for the NBA playoffs, and
lighting comedy clubs in Austin,

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TX.
He's the technical editor for

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lighting and sound, I believe
because the the symbols all got

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messed up on my screen here so I
can't even read it.

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He's I think it's for Plaza or
lighting and sound.

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I'm sorry I got that one wrong.
Media and a columnist for the

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same lighting and Sound America
Lighting and Sound International

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and protocol magazines.
He is a member of IATC local 2O5

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in good standing and Richard is
also in demand as a speaker and

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trainer.
So if you are on Live Peace,

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I'll see you later.
If you're listening to this or

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watching this on April 4th or
after that time, then stick

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around.
Cuz here comes Richard.

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Richard.
Hey, Marcel, what's happening?

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You are man.
Good to see you.

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Hey, thanks.
You're happening.

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You're happening.
I I read your bio and stuff like

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Jesus, you know I had to take
sips of water during your bio.

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It was so you know, and
something funny happened and I'm

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really embarrassed cuz I
couldn't remember the actual

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name of lighting in Sound
America.

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And like, the characters got all
jumbled up on on the the thing

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that I'm reading from.
And I'm like, it says L and AMP

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semi, colon, SA Media.
And I'm like, what the hell is

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that?
Like, what am I supposed to say?

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So how did you read that?
Yeah, I followed through that a

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little bit.
But who the heck is calling

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Richard Kadena?
It's probably your publisher.

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Your publisher with another
check.

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No, my stockbroker, there you go
wanting to, yeah.

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Yeah, buy more, buy more.
Something you know, AI stock, I

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guess.
I don't know.

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Exactly.
You know, I I definitely want to

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actually spend some time talking
with you about AI, cuz if

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anybody had an opinion, I
thought it'd be you.

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So it's one of my sort of
highlighted topics that you

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didn't mention.
I'm absolutely gonna.

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I've I've been having it having
a good time with it.

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I probably use it differently
than most people, but it's it's

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a lot of.
Same with me, it's.

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Really interesting.
Yeah.

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A lot going on there.
Oh, I mean, yeah.

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So we'll, we'll get into that.
I want to, I want to talk about

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a lot of stuff with you today.
We haven't caught up, probably

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since probably since COVID I.
Don't.

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Yeah.
I mean, no, we had, we did one,

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what, a year ago or so.
But yeah, I think so.

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Yeah.
Really.

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That recent?
I think so.

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Jesus, maybe not.
We talked about doing 1.

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I think that, I think that's
what.

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Happened.
Yeah.

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Yeah, you're right.
You're right.

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I think we talked.
About doing one and then you got

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busy.
It's hard to, it's hard to, It's

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hard to sort of poke a hole in
your schedule like you're you're

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a very busy guy.
Man, it's you know, you know how

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it is.
It's either drought or flood.

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You know, Yeah, yeah.
Feast or famine, Yeah.

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So starting from the top here.
So, I mean, here's a funny

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story, by the way.
So last week, was it last week?

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No, it was the week before I had
a a Austrian front of house

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engineer for a death metal band
on Thomas.

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What the heck is Thomas's last
name?

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I forget.
But anyways, somehow Sarah got

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the notes mixed up.
And so I'm reading from his

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notes and I'm like, OK,
whatever.

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And so I put together the the
sort of talking points that I

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wanted to go through and one of
them was, So you just got off a

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Willie Nelson show, huh?
And this guy, this guy's a death

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metal front house guy.
And I'm like, this is weird.

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But hey, he said he did.
It, yeah.

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He went, he went to Austin and
he did a Willie Nelson gig and

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I'm like, that is bizarre, but
that was obviously Richard

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Cadena.
That that was me, me and and

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some guys from Ever Everlast or
Everlast.

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Sorry, not Everlast.
OverDrive Energy Solutions.

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Yeah.
So this was the 2nd year we did

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that festival.
And you know, what we've been

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doing is we have been going in
setting up solar farms and

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charging up big giant banks of
batteries with inverters and

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powering stages with them.
And these guys have been doing

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it for three or four or five
years.

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And last year was my first show
with them, the Willie Nelson,

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Willie Nelson's Luck Reunion
Festival in Austin.

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It's not actually on his ranch
outside of Austin.

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That's cool.
Yeah.

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Oh, it's very cool.
Yeah.

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And he's still performing.
He's still performing.

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Yeah.
I mean, he's, he's lost a step

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in his voice, but it's somebody
was talk.

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Somebody was saying that he's
trying to tear a rapper, 'cause

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he kind of talks his lyrics.
Now you know that's funny.

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How old is he now?
Yeah.

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Oh God, what is he?
I forget.

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He's he just had a big birthday,
so I guess he was 90.

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I guess he's 91.
Oh my goodness, how old is

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Willie Nelson?
Come on, she didn't want to tell

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you.
Just said it on.

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The screen, it says he's 9090.
OK, well, his birthday.

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His birthday is coming up in
April and he'll be 91.

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Yeah, because they had a big
birthday celebration last year

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at Hollywood Bowl and Snoop Dogg
and everybody, you know, because

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that's what a. 90 year old guy
wants at your birthday party,

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right?
Exactly.

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I mean, I guess that's the whole
weed culture thing or whatever.

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Right.
Yeah, except he quit weed.

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And it was a big, big story in
the news.

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He quit smoking weed.
He's 90 years old, you know.

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Oh, Willie Nelson.
Well, because because what's his

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name?
Snoop did that, that like sort

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of spoof Super Bowl ad right.
I'm off smoke or something.

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I'm, I'm, I forget how he worded
it.

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And it was, it had nothing to do
with smoking weed.

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You know, he's like, what are
you kidding?

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I ain't stopping that.
Anyways, go on.

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So it was on his ranch and it's
a festival and it's called

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Willie Nelson.
It's called luck.

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Reunion.
Yeah, yeah.

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And there it's, you know, it's
there's there's the main stage,

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which is a stage line.
I think it's a 360.

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It's the you know the big stage
and we we powered the lighting

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and audio on that stage plus two
other smaller stages plus a lot

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of vendors and the food court
with with the batteries and

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inverters and where did last.
Year come from who owns all

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that, the batteries and
inverters and.

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Well, we we rent some of it and
OverDrive owns a lot of it.

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So they build this stuff.
I mean some of it.

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You'd be surprised how small a
battery bank you need to power a

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small to medium sized stage.
We literally can put them in

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Pelican cases.
And yeah, so if you look at one

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of the stages and the stages
maybe, you know, 25 by 20,

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something like that, it's not
huge, but it's got LE DS moving

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lights and it's got a fog
machine.

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It's got a, you know, speakers
on a stick.

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And if you look off stage left,
there's a Pelican case that is

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powering the whole thing.
And we charge, yeah, we charge

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that up and it'll run.
You know, the stage runs from

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Dorser at 11 and they start
playing about two and they run

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till 11 at night.
And at the end of the night, we

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take that Pelican, put it on a
golf cart, run it over to the

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solar farm, charge it back up or
we swap it out if we have a

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spare and go the next night,
that is.

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And yeah, yeah, so.
And how much power is in that

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Pelican case?
That's a 5 kW, so and you know

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that's the output.
The the storage is a different

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story because, but what you can
do is you can add another

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Pelican case that's just
batteries to add the runtime,

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but you're limited by how much
current you cannot put by the

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inverters in it.
So there's an inverter, there's

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a battery bank, and then you
just you can series the

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batteries, you can parallel the
batteries.

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So if you needed more output you
you parallel them.

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If you want more runtime, you
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drains down then the other
charges it back up and you have

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an app so you can watch it the
whole time.

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And you you make sure that
you're not going to run short,

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You know if you're running
short, you just go over there

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and between sets 'cause there's
constant, you know the band will

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play for one hour, then they'll
bring another band on.

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They don't have like a 5 minute
turn around, but you have time

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to swap out or to add another
battery if you need to.

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But and the first year we had no
idea how it's going to work out

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because we didn't know what they
were going to plug in or how

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long they're going to go.
Nobody gave us you know

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equipment lists or run times or
anything.

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So we were it was a complete
dark throw Marcel and you know

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so we we got through it very
well.

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But this year we had all of the
data from, from last year

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because we Datalog, we record
everything.

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So we know now exactly what to
expect and how much to bring,

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and it was just so much more
relaxed this year.

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And get this on the mainstage
last year we had two big battery

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units.
These are huge.

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They're the the ones we used
last year.

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I would, I think they're about 8
feet long, they're about 6 feet

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tall and about 5 feet wide and
they weigh 6000 lbs.

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So picture a tow package
generator, you know, like 150

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kva generator, you know, except
it doesn't have wheels 'cause we

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we fork it around on a lull.
Big giant forklift, right?

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But last year we had two of
those.

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And what we would do is we would
use, we put them in series so

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that they would drain.
And we we, you know, we used a

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lot of the energy from the
batteries, Most, most of it is

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idle time, you know, 'cause they
do a line check at 10 in the

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morning and then they have the
show at 9:00 at night from

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11:00.
But during the day, it's, it's

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draining down, you know, And
then at the end of the night,

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then we'd fork it over the solar
farm, charge it up in the day

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and we'd swap them out.
You know, we would alternate

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them, leapfrog them.
Well, this year we got a

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different type of battery
inverter that was actually a

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smaller package, but it had 4
1/2 times as much energy in it.

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More storage.
Yeah.

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So.
So we ran the entire festival.

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It was only it's a two day
event.

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So two nights Willie comes out
and plays and and you know, the

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bands are running all day long.
But for two days we ran that one

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battery bank.
We had a whole backup right next

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to it, so that if one got two,
if it gets down to about 2025%,

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we we then recharge it from the
other one.

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We'd never had to touch the
spare, never touched it.

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It's.
Crazy.

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It's crazy, Yeah.
So you don't have.

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You don't have generators as
backup backups, do you?

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Well, you know what we did last
year because again we were, you

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know, we were kind of in an
unknown situation last year.

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We had triple redundancy, so we
had the main battery inverter.

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Then we had a diesel generator
that was already tied into it,

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and it was programmed so that if
the charge got to 25%, it would

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automatically kick on the
generator and recharge.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The automatic transfer switch,

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exactly.
It's built into the battery.

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It's.
Surprising with that one, Rich.

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CAD, Yeah, very good.
Yeah, that's great.

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I.
Got you with that one.

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Up.
Yeah, yeah, but and so but and

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and people say, well then what's
the point of having batteries if

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you can have a generator?
Well, the point is that first of

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all, the battery bank you can
charge when nobody's playing.

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So you don't have the noise, you
don't have the diesel smell.

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And second of all, the way
generators work, diesel

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generators work is the more
heavily they're loaded, the more

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fuel efficient they are.
So when you charge the battery

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you you load the the diesel
generator full, so you get

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maximum fuel efficiency out of
it and it really minimizes the

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carbon footprint of the diesel
generator.

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Interesting and and and in
addition to the generator we

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also had tied into grid.
So we had two backups in case

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anything failed nothing.
You know the show would go on.

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Well this year we had zero
generators in the entire

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festival.
We completely displaced all the

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diesel in the entire festival.
With batteries and A and a solar

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farm, how big?
How big was your solar footprint

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or whatever you had?
Not, not, not, not big.

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I think let's see you know I I
didn't set it up this year.

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We had help so I I didn't get
the exact count but at

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Lollapalooza for example we had
100 and 38240 Watt solar panels

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which so it was about a 60
kilowatt solar farm.

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I think at Willie's festival
this year is probably a little

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bit less I'd say probably 40
kilowatts solar, something like

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that interesting.
So and and while we're doing

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luck reunion, we're also doing
the one of the stages at South

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by Southwest on auditorium
shores.

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We had another solar and that's
why we had smaller solar farms

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this year, because we split it
between South By and Willie's

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Luck Reunion.
So let me ask you something like

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is this so is is this an actual
business?

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Like, is this someone making
money competing with generator

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companies?
Oh yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.
Is it?

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Is it viable yet?
Like, does it make financial

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sense?
To the customer.

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And to the company.
Yeah.

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It's very similar in cost.
Now there sometimes there's more

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upfront cost, but you save on
other.

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There's other synergies you get.
So for example, because you can

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put the battery right next to
the stage, you don't have as

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much feeder cable to run.
So you can save on cable rental,

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on cable ramp rental, you save
on labor, you know, things like

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that.
And it's more than just that,

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but that's just an example.
Are there any?

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Are there any incentives yet,
like for somebody to run a show

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like that?
Are they able to?

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Does the state give them money
or something for being?

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Not that I know of.
However, we have have worked

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with reverb.org, which is an
organization started by Adam and

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I always forget Adam's last
name, but it he's the lead

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singer for the band Guster.
If you're familiar with Guster

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and OK, well they were.
If you went to College in the

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90s, they were they were big and
so you you probably know Guster

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and super nice guys and they
started reverb.org to

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decarbonize stages.
So what they do is they raise

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money for this kind of stuff.
So they.

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They organized the original luck
reunion.

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I think they were.
I'm not sure if they were

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involved in this one or not,
'cause I didn't see the signs

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everywhere like I usually do.
But they also got us involved in

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Lollapalooza, and that was.
So that was basically Billie

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Eilish picking up the tab and
and and, you know, working

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through reverb.org and they
said, you know, she said we want

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to to do this thing.
So what we did is we provided

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power for all the floor, for all
of the guest services on the

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stage and this is an enormous
stage.

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So there was a floor package
that that was a 400 amp three

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phase service and then there was
audio world and video world

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which were 200 amps.
There was special effects which

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is also 200 amps three phase.
And then there was one other

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service that was just for the
toaster.

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If you saw, you know, the Lala,
her her performance at Lala,

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then you saw the her stage
entrance is from beneath the

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stage and she pops up on the
stage.

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And so that was one service for
that, you know.

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Yeah.
So I don't know of any, you

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know, grants or anything like
that, but just there there is

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there are organizations who who
work on helping to put these

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things together, and reverb.org
is one of them.

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Well, and there's a lot of,
there's a lot of obviously noise

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about it like about becoming
more sustainable as an industry

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and things like that.
Like I actually, you know,

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Mickey curvish curvishly I'm.
Sure.

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Yeah, I was just listening to
your podcast last week.

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Yeah.
So he talked a lot about

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sustainability and you should
probably connect with him

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because they've got all kinds of
ideas and thoughts about making

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shows more sustainable and more.
It's a great idea.

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Yeah.
And and you know, solo tech

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obviously has the money to put
behind that as well.

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So that might be an interesting
conversation for you to get

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into.
And specifically with Mickey,

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like, I think he's the guy kind
of driving it at solo tech.

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I'll tell him you sent me.
Absolutely.

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I could connect you to through
an e-mail if.

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You'd like that'd be, that'd be.
Great to say.

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Hey, I was talking to Richard
and yeah, I'll, I'll do that

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after the podcast.
So yeah, that's that's really

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interesting.
So you know what, what are some

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of the things you learned this
year that you that that will

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help you towards next year or
that make it you know?

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More the the big, the big
learning curve is how our loads

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behave.
Because typically when you're

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doing a show, the Master
Electrician puts together an

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equipment list and then you go
to the specs and you put

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together all the wattages and
then you divide by the voltage

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to figure out how much, how much
power you need.

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You know and and it.
That's legit.

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Although what you find out by
logging the data and studying it

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is that nobody turns everything
on at one time.

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Nobody, you know, puts all their
lights in full and what in full

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white?
Well, and LE DS have changed

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that.
LE DS have changed that too

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because.
They're not on all the time.

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Like, like discharge lamps, Of
course.

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Right.
So, yeah.

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So LE DS, like, they go on, they
go off.

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They go on, they go off, Right.
It's not a shutter or whatever,

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Right.
Yeah.

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And that.
And that's why we convinced Bud

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Rock Willie's lighting designers
to go all LED.

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And he's old school man.
He, you know, he, he, he's been

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using park hands.
Yeah.

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So that was a big step for him.
Yeah.

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But but yeah, So what we're
trying to learn more about is

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the nature of the beast when it
comes to how how does this stuff

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behave during a show?
And what we're finding out is

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that it's a small amount of
power compared to, you know, if

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you just add up all of the the
loads that you're connecting,

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you know, and that goes for
lighting, it goes for audio, it

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goes, it even goes for video.
Although video is a bit more

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tricky because when you put
content on the screen that's all

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white, it really sucks the power
you know.

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So you do need you need you need
more overhead for video than you

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need for audio.
The audio peaks are very very

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fast transient.
So I I have been metering audio

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rigs lately.
And what you find is if you

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meter them, you know a big line
array in an arena will draw, you

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know, somewhere between 35 and
50 amps per leg and they'll hit

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peaks of about 100 amps or 150 a
175 amps if you have a normal

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meter.
But if you have a really, really

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good fast meter that catches
really fast transients, you'll

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get peaks up to 225, you know,
Yeah, but it's just for a

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fraction of a second.
But is that enough to trip

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things and?
Cause problems or no, because

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the way circuit Breakers work is
they take time to heat up.

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So it you would have to it would
have to be peaking for 5:00 or

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10:15 minutes before we trip it.
Oh, I see.

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So, so so no.
That's why we can get away with

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200 amp services for audio.
That's usually what you know

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you're going to use for an arena
show.

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Yeah.
You know, so that's.

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You know what's using the most
energy then?

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Is it the audio or typically on
a show?

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No, no.
It's definitely lighting.

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It's definitely lighting.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Oh even with LED, well because

451
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,240
the numbers you know, yeah we
can LED's yeah.

452
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,600
And the the lights are getting
you know more power even the

453
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,120
LED's are getting more power
hungry.

454
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:48,280
You know that's true.
I just at USITT they who was it?

455
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,360
I think it's Lyceum now that has
a a 1500 Watt LED follow spot.

456
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,040
Yeah, that's got to be bright.
So yeah.

457
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,880
Oh, it's bright.
It's definitely bright.

458
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720
Yeah, well, I mean, the fixtures
just keep getting brighter and

459
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,240
brighter too.
The LED fixtures it's crazy it's

460
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,520
yeah you know I I was talking
this had to be a couple years

461
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,400
ago I was talking to Robert Roth
and he I said you know what what

462
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520
do you think is missing in
lighting And he said everybody

463
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,400
thinks that lights all need to
be like you know these two or

464
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,680
300 foot throw like you know 8
bazillion lumen fixtures.

465
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,120
How about something like mid
size?

466
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,760
Something that replaces like an
old Mac 700 or you know, a

467
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,360
studio spot or whatever, like
something you know that you

468
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,320
could just use in your typical
arena show.

469
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000
And it's kind of cool, 'cause I
think a lot of companies have

470
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,080
come out with that kind of
thing, like the Ayrton Diablo.

471
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,840
And Oh yeah, you know, every
company has their versions of

472
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,240
it.
Right.

473
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,720
But yeah, I was in Jules
Fisher's office once.

474
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,320
This is probably got 20 years
ago and we're talking about

475
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,920
Lumen inflation, you know
because he had, he had plots

476
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,960
from what was his big Tony
award-winning show back in the

477
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,760
60s.
I'm drawing blank now.

478
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,160
But anyway he he brought out his
plots, we started looking at him

479
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,920
and and you know the the light
levels back then on Broadway

480
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,200
were so dim compared to today.
You know, we just keep getting

481
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,200
making stages brighter and
bright, even though the cameras

482
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,480
need less light.
To make it look constant battle

483
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,560
between the freaking LED screens
and the lights.

484
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,760
And it's just like it's war
that's going on that I think is,

485
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,400
you know, really going to create
blindness in all of our children

486
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,760
one day or something.
It's just insane.

487
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Mark Brightman still had the
funniest line because he said,

488
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,280
you know what's really annoying
to me?

489
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,160
EDM shows.
And I said why?

490
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,000
And he said, well cuz the
music's kind of cool and the

491
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,160
energy's great.
I love the vibe and stuff, but

492
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840
if I'm high on Molly, the last
thing I want is all these

493
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800
fucking lights just blasting in
my face all night.

494
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,280
You know, 8 freaking trillion
white lights just blasting you

495
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,440
in the face.
Last thing I want when I'm high

496
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,120
on Molly and I'm like, well,
yeah, you got a point there,

497
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,320
Mark.
That that sounds like Brickman.

498
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I haven't.

499
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Seen him in a while.
No, me either, you know, sadly.

500
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,760
And and he'll tell you all about
it, 'cause he's not super happy

501
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,920
about it.
But you know, a lot of the gigs

502
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,800
go to younger guys these days
and or girls and and you know,

503
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,000
he's kind of been left in the
cold on that one.

504
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,120
Him, John Broderick, some of the
some of the guys that you and I

505
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,480
both know and love and and
really appreciate as designers,

506
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,640
you know?
But yeah, really, really

507
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960
talented people.
Super talented.

508
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,880
Super smart, too.
You know, like just, you know,

509
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,960
Broderick is another one of my
favorite people.

510
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,720
And he, you know, he's just.
Completely out of.

511
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Learning at this point.
Oh really?

512
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Oh man, that's too bad.
Yeah, he's been doing a a big

513
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080
art project.
I can't remember the details.

514
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,960
I think it's his father-in-law
passed away or something and

515
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,840
left a whole huge amount of art.
And so he's sort of become the

516
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,640
the kind of curator of all of
this art and and has been

517
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800
working on exhibits and
different.

518
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Things.
Well, I I know he's, he's always

519
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,560
been into art because if you
would go and watch his Metallica

520
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,960
show, if you look at his sets,
it always had it's very Dolly

521
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,680
esque or it's very, you know,
there's always something in

522
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,240
there that that that reminds you
of the old masters.

523
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,920
Yeah, yeah.
And he studied.

524
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,560
Them.
And yeah, he, he kind of

525
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,240
emulated smart guy.
Super.

526
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Like I've had, I've had four
hour conversations with that guy

527
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840
that, you know, I had to peel
myself away from, 'cause I was

528
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,520
super interested, but I had to
work you.

529
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,280
Know like the work keeps getting
in the way, you know especially.

530
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,480
Lately, 'cause he's retired and
and loves to have a good

531
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,400
conversation, so whenever you
reach out to him, he's more than

532
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,160
willing to have a nice talk.
But, but yeah, so.

533
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,640
To do that.
It's a bummer with Mark too, you

534
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,440
know, Cuz.
Mark.

535
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Mark.
I don't think he's bitter about

536
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
it anymore.
But he was, I think for a while.

537
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Yeah.
Yeah, I.

538
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Agree.
That's last time I talked to him

539
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360
several years ago, he he was
kind of bitter.

540
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What can you do, you know, Yeah,

541
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,120
I think it's becoming a young
person industry at this time for

542
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
for, yeah, you know, which
doesn't work out well for you or

543
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,600
I.
Yeah, I know, I I know so few

544
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,360
people now.
But although I'm meeting more

545
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,680
and more all the time, I I just
did a a class over at Pulse

546
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,480
Lighting in Nashville and met
some really cool people and and

547
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,160
The funny thing is one of the
guys in my class.

548
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Yeah, oh man.
And and you're going to have to

549
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,680
edit this because I can't think
of his name right now.

550
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,760
This is embarrassing.
But this guy in my class and he

551
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,800
was he was taking notes
furiously during class and

552
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,720
everything and the very next
week I went to Austin to work

553
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,720
like reunion and I woke up in
the morning looked at my

554
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480
Facebook and he'd messaged me
and said hey man, where do you

555
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,800
live?
Because if we're ever in your

556
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,800
area, you know, I'm.
I'm touring with Old Crow

557
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Medicine Show and you know, I'd
like to like you can come out,

558
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,000
you know, like for you come out
and see the show.

559
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Yeah.
And I go Old Crow, I go are you

560
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400
playing it like reunion today He
goes, yeah.

561
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
So that's hilarious.
We met up that same day.

562
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Yeah.
That's hilarious.

563
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,520
That's funny.
Yeah.

564
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,360
I mean, doing those classes that
you're doing must really

565
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,120
obviously give you exposure to a
lot of new people and help you

566
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280
make some new friends and stuff.
Are you still looking for this

567
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,760
guy's name?
Yes, of course.

568
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,800
Well, you're.
Making this.

569
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,200
Impossible.
I'm sorry, James.

570
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,960
You're you're making it
impossible to edit this out at

571
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,000
this point because it's half
the.

572
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,600
Podcast already.
That's OK.

573
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,760
He he knows I'm a scatterbrain.
Yeah.

574
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,560
Hey James, it's it's all good,
Richard.

575
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920
I, I you know, I I was going to
mention some his name from the

576
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,480
podcast that I recorded
yesterday and I decided not even

577
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240
to go into that story.
Because I forget.

578
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,280
His name.
So you know, it doesn't take

579
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,040
long.
Like I'll.

580
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800
I'll shake someone's hand and be
introduced to somebody.

581
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,320
I'll walk away.
And on my walk away I'll be

582
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,080
like, what the hell was his name
like?

583
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560
I just met him 90 seconds ago.
What was his name?

584
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Yeah, I know.
I've.

585
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,080
I've taken to writing it down in
my in my on my phone.

586
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Yeah, yeah, me too.
Like, if I don't put things into

587
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,200
my calendar, like if I don't say
hey Siri because I don't want

588
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,800
bills going off here, you know,
remind me tomorrow at 9:00 AM to

589
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,680
do this or whatever.
I just want oh, yeah, ain't

590
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,960
going to happen.
I've gotten so dependent on the

591
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,640
A word now.
Oh, hell yeah, hell yeah.

592
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Like I I do it all.
Well, I can't use the A word

593
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,360
because my my girlfriend who I
live with, her son's girlfriend

594
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,840
is named Alexa.
And, you know, so there's

595
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,320
constantly.
Things going That and his name

596
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,480
you have to change.
His name is Alex.

597
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,840
So it's just like constantly
things are confused going what

598
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,720
do you want?
I just want you to shut up.

599
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,320
Yeah, you'd have to.
You have to change the trigger

600
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,360
word, man.
You can make anything.

601
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,400
Or just get rid of all these.
A people, you know.

602
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Yeah.
Just get well, the people, yeah.

603
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
No, it's hilarious.

604
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,440
So this, this back to this
Willie Nelson thing.

605
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:15,200
So what did you find?
Like are there any negatives to

606
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,800
using this type of power?
Like are there any things that

607
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,760
you have to be like weather or
is, I don't know, like is there

608
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,360
anything that you really have to
be more careful about?

609
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
I mean like with anything
there's positives and negatives.

610
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200
Yeah, there.
The I, I think probably the the

611
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
biggest negative is these things
are big and heavy.

612
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Although the new ones we're
using are on a trailer, so you

613
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,400
can just tow them.
Yeah, literally an F-150 pickup

614
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,560
truck.
Yeah, you don't want to tow them

615
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,440
down the road, 'cause they they
weigh what they weigh 8000 lbs.

616
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,240
Jesus.
So they they barely, they're,

617
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,160
they're barely trailerable.
And then, of course you.

618
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,360
Sorry, 1000 LB one is how how
how many kW?

619
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:05,680
That one is, that one is, well,
it's it's 530 kilowatt hours.

620
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,520
That's the one.
That's 4 1/2 times as much

621
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,080
energy as last year.
I don't remember the the wattage

622
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,360
output though.
What size inverters are?

623
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,080
But that one unit would run a
stage or you need multiple?

624
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,679
Units.
Oh yeah.

625
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:25,840
So actually what we did on that
one is we output 480 volts to a

626
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,040
transformer to drop it down to
122 O 8 because the circuit

627
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,360
breaker is, I want to say 150
amps.

628
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,480
So if you were to run at 1:20,
you could run at 12208 but then

629
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,760
you're limited to 100 amp
service.

630
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,639
But if you if you run at 480
then you're closer to a 400 amp

631
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,840
three phase service by the time
you you transform it down.

632
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Yeah, I see.
So that's how that's how that

633
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,760
works.
So yeah.

634
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,560
Yeah.
So I mean I would think that as

635
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,160
it gets more common and and
popular and and whatever you're

636
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,400
just going to have like some of
those big generator the the semi

637
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080
trailers, you know you're going
to have things like that that.

638
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,920
That well, there already are Cat
CESCES has has trailers that are

639
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,960
full of enemy batteries.
There's different battery

640
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600
chemistries and they have some
that are that but.

641
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,760
But you know, that's a, it's
really made for the construction

642
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,520
industry, for you know, when
they're building buildings.

643
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:30,040
It's not ideal for our use case.
But in term, to answer your

644
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,520
question, are there any
negatives?

645
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,040
I mean the biggest downside is
you have to, you have to manage

646
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,440
your energy and make sure you
don't run out and have

647
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,000
redundancy and then when you
build a solar farm, you know you

648
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,560
are at the mercy of the weather.
If you have a full sunshine day,

649
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,520
you get maximum charge, and if
it's if it's cloudy you get

650
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,320
somewhat reduced but but you'd
be surprised how much energy you

651
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,120
can get from the sun even on an
overcast day.

652
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,320
But if it's rainy, or if it's
snowing or something like that,

653
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,280
then you know that's pretty much
a washout.

654
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,720
Are these batteries charging
while they're being used, or do

655
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,880
they have?
To you Can you can do that?

656
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,680
You can.
They're so they're so

657
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,120
configurable.
They're so flexible, you can set

658
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,120
them up to where, well, you know
what you really want to do is

659
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,600
you want to hook them up in
series so that if you are

660
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,760
charging one, then the other
one's being drained and you can

661
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,640
tell it which one to drain from
first.

662
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440
And you can.
There's there's so many

663
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,080
different ways you can set it
up.

664
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,440
They're they're very flexible,
very configurable.

665
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:39,000
They're actually, in a lot of
ways, the power is much better

666
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,000
than a diesel generator.
Because think about this,

667
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Marcel.
When you have a diesel generator

668
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,440
and you have a, you know, an EDM
show and the audio's pumping,

669
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,680
and then you hit that bass drum
and it's going to, every time

670
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,560
you hit the bass drum, it moves
a lot of air.

671
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,400
So it's going to crank up the
current.

672
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Well, in order for the generator
to produce that current, the

673
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,360
diesel engine has to ramp up the
torque and that takes a little

674
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,560
while, right.
But with the battery, it's a

675
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,720
deep well, you can get as much
energy spontaneously as you want

676
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,720
from this well of energy.
So the I've had, I've heard

677
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,600
engineers, audio engineers say
they think the frequency

678
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,480
response is better from the
battery inverter than from a

679
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,520
diesel generator.
And you know it.

680
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,120
It's there's just there's
there's so many a good thing to

681
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,680
say about it that's interesting
that.

682
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,320
Audio engineers would probably
be able to tell the difference

683
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,400
like.
Would it, I would, but would.

684
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,320
Things be quicker, like would
things like actually happen

685
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,320
faster?
Basically in in.

686
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,320
Audio.
Well, I know that you can get

687
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,880
faster transient responses.
Interesting.

688
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,960
And that's what Audio's all
about, right?

689
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,880
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, that's really cool.

690
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,680
That's so.
I would guess that we're not

691
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,680
that far away from, you know,
generator sort of being a thing

692
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,000
of the past.
Like I must admit I'm not a fan

693
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,600
of electric cars.
I I have, you know a big

694
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:15,640
horsepower you know, V8 and but
I think on from a generator

695
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,000
standpoint, it seems to me like
there's a lot of efficiency and

696
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,880
a lot of reasons, the noise, the
pollution, the just the air

697
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,240
quality like the fact that
people are sitting there going

698
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,000
oh.
What's that?

699
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,800
Smell, you know.
Right, right.

700
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480
Yeah.
And and the health issues too

701
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:36,080
you know if you so you you know
that when I work for high end

702
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:42,240
systems I used to travel to Asia
a lot and this was back in the

703
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:48,720
the 1990s when I was I used to
run marathons and so and and see

704
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,440
that's why my stories are so
boring.

705
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,120
I, you know, I I just, I don't
have, I don't have any scuba

706
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,400
diving vomit stories, you know?
Anything like that?

707
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,880
Well, I'll tell you.
A few, I know.

708
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,840
Some.
I mean, I've got a couple.

709
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,120
But anyway, but the point is
that I used to go to Beijing,

710
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,800
and when I was training, I
would, I would go out the door

711
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,040
and I'd go run 10 or 15,
sometimes 20 miles.

712
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,800
And back in the 90s, you'd come
back from your run and you'd be

713
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,320
covered in soot from head to toe
and you'd blow your nose and

714
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,880
it'd all be black, You know,
because they burned, they burned

715
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,040
coal in their fireplaces, right?
But then during the 2008

716
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,720
Olympics, they outlawed that.
They said you can't burn coal

717
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,560
and fire because they were
trying to clean up Beijing.

718
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,320
And if you look at medical
statistics, what you'll find is

719
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,600
there was a drastic increase in
or decrease in lung related

720
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,960
illnesses from after 2008.
So there's a direct correlation

721
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,000
between the air quality and the
health of the general

722
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,760
population.
So that's what we're that's what

723
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400
we're going for in decarbonizing
stages.

724
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Now, you know, our industry is
just a spec in the Galaxy of the

725
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,680
problem.
Yeah, right.

726
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,240
Exactly.
I mean, you shouldn't try

727
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,880
anything.
Yeah.

728
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,400
No, really.
What we're trying to do is raise

729
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,920
awareness.
When Billy Eilish says, hey,

730
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,760
we're powering the stage off of
sunshine, that makes people

731
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,920
aware.
And that's our goal, of course.

732
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,720
Yeah, of.
Course well.

733
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,560
And if Metallica can go out and
say, hey, we're the loudest,

734
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,880
craziest band in the world and
we run on batteries, I mean,

735
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,600
that says a lot.
That's a statement.

736
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,800
Right.
Well, it's Coldplay that's doing

737
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,240
that, but.
Yeah, no, I was just making that

738
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,720
up.
But I'm I'm just saying like

739
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:43,040
that kind of thing helps move
things forward or whatever,

740
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,000
sure.
Exactly.

741
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,520
That's the whole point.
Yeah, but I think without

742
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,240
getting into to a lengthy
discussion about a very boring

743
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:51,680
topic.
But you know, I've paid a lot of

744
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,160
attention to like these
documentaries and stuff about

745
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,840
the the cobalt mines in Africa.
And you know, that stuff is

746
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,720
really depressing.
So I think and absolutely talks

747
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,480
about it all the time, like when
he says we can't just go all

748
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,680
electric cars because we have to
find more sustainable solutions

749
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,040
for supply of these batteries.
We have to make friendlier

750
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,400
batteries, you know.
Well, if if if they were

751
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,680
friendlier, would that would
that make a big difference you

752
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,240
think?
I think it would, Yeah, I think

753
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:21,400
it.
Would well here's, here's,

754
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,520
here's something for you then.
You know a lithium ion battery

755
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,280
had obviously it has lithium and
it's got a lot of those other

756
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,000
chemicals in it that are hard to
get.

757
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,640
But the battery chemistry is
moving towards and this is what

758
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,600
we use, which is lithium iron
phosphate batteries.

759
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,040
It's still classified as a
lithium ion battery, but it's

760
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,640
got way fewer of those rare
chemicals that are causing the

761
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,240
issues.
Well, isn't phosphate hard to

762
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,320
get right now?
Isn't that one of the things?

763
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,640
Well, but the amount it's the
quantities that are in it.

764
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:59,440
They're very, very small.
So, and also you've seen the and

765
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,200
read the stories about lithium
iron Catching Fire and you know,

766
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,880
those hoverboards spontaneously
combusting and all that stuff.

767
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Lithium iron phosphate does not
do that.

768
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,680
It has a very low probability of
thermal runaway.

769
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,160
So they're much safer.
They're better for the

770
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,960
environment.
And so and that's the way

771
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,600
science works is, you know, you
start off with something crude

772
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,440
and then you refine it, it gets
better and better.

773
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,160
Yeah.
And and that's the direction

774
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,600
that we're moving with the
battery.

775
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,920
Construction again, I love that.
Like I said, I'm not.

776
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,000
I'm not somebody who who you
know is gonna be first in line

777
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,400
for the next E car, but.
But at.

778
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520
The same time, I bet that E car
can blow you off the line,

779
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,760
though.
That's the thing.

780
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,480
You know, that's the thing.
Like, you know, what's his name?

781
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,040
Joe Rogan.
Your fellow Austinite is always

782
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,560
talking about his, his Tesla.
He's got the the is it called

783
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,960
black?
Is it the Tesla Black Edition or

784
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,240
something?
I forget what it's called, but

785
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,240
it's the one with the little
rectangular steering wheel and

786
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:06,440
it's it's like zero to 60 in 1.9
seconds.

787
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,120
I think 1.9 seconds.
Yeah, I know they're they're

788
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,000
incredibly fast.
Yeah.

789
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Insane, you know?
And I haven't watched Formula E,

790
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:22,080
but it sounds interesting, no?
Now you lost me, my friend.

791
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,120
OK, Sorry.
I hate.

792
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,880
I had to go there.
I can't stand it, you know, it's

793
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,040
just I don't even like the, you
know, the the current hybrid

794
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Formula One cars.
You know, the sound just isn't

795
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,200
what it was.
You know, in the 90s like that,

796
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,480
I like.
That you know, I I have AI have

797
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,080
a formula boat, you know what is
it an 8 cylinder or six

798
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:48,880
cylinder?
I don't know.

799
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,600
It's a gasoline engine.
Yeah, I would love to have an

800
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,760
electric boat because I love to
sail.

801
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,160
Just because it's so peaceful
and quiet.

802
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Yeah, you know, I can't wait to
get an electric boat.

803
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,400
That to me, boats and airplanes
to me, are something that I

804
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,800
think makes a huge amount of
sense.

805
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,760
I think cars eventually make
sense too.

806
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,160
But cars, there's too much
passion around the sound and the

807
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:18,120
the sort of visceral feel of all
of that stuff that, you know,

808
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,320
too many of us were born in the
60s and and grew up with with

809
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,040
muscle cars and stuff.
It's just too hard to take those

810
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,160
cars away from us.
You know, maybe 19 year old kids

811
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,320
growing up today are like, I
don't care if it's got.

812
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,440
A lot of motor.
It doesn't make any difference

813
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,320
to me, but you know, obviously
there's some pushback because

814
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,000
all the E cars aren't doing so
well right now other than Tesla.

815
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,680
You know, a friend of mine,
idiot bought a Fisker Ocean, the

816
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,600
Fisker SUV.
He just got it delivered a

817
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,160
couple months ago and I was
like, what are you doing?

818
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Like, aren't they bordering on
bankruptcy again?

819
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080
Like, you know, he he went
bankrupt.

820
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,360
Chinese company bought it and
came out with that Karma thing.

821
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,720
And then I think they're
bankrupt.

822
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,840
And then he started another
Fisker and now they're going

823
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,760
bankrupt as well.
But anyways, he, he got the car

824
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,640
by the time he ordered it two
years ago.

825
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,760
By the time he got it, there's
no dealerships.

826
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:21,280
So they deliver it to your door
on a truck and you know, really

827
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,960
bad delivery experience.
And so he got it and then he

828
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,080
needed service or whatever he
calls Fisker and they're like,

829
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,720
yeah, you got to call this guy
on his cell phone or whatever.

830
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,920
There's like 1 technician in the
South Florida.

831
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,120
Region.
And so now just yesterday he

832
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,640
called me and he goes, you're
not going to believe this.

833
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:39,680
And I said what?
Your car died.

834
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,600
And he goes, no worse.
And I said what?

835
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,080
And he said they just because
they need desperately cash, they

836
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,520
just dropped their price by
$14,000, whatever model.

837
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,480
So he bought this, this SUV, he
bought a, a base model of it and

838
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,600
paid like 40,000 bucks, but now
it's 24,000 or whatever it is,

839
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,640
right.
And you?

840
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,400
Know what that reminds me of?
What?

841
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,280
When when Martin came out with
the Mac 500 and 600 and High End

842
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,760
dropped the price on the studio
colors, Remember that?

843
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,800
Were you?
Were you?

844
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

845
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,320
No, I that was right when I.
Was all these people.

846
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,360
Yeah, all these people just
bought a whole bunch of them and

847
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,080
then we dropped the price and
they were not happy.

848
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,120
That's a tough one to swallow.
Yeah, that's never an easy one

849
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,240
to swallow.
But I mean, he literally just

850
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,720
took delivery on this thing a
couple months ago and he's

851
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:31,720
already down 15 grand or
whatever.

852
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,160
Yeah, he's like and plus, you
know, like he can't get a

853
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,640
temporary tag for it.
He can't get A tag for it

854
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,280
because, you know, for whatever
reason, the car isn't can't be

855
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,680
registered here except as a
certain type.

856
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,320
And they have to.
The company has to get you the

857
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,480
tag, and it's crazy.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to

858
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,560
happen well.
That's what I said.

859
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,440
I said you got to do a search.
There's got to be a class action

860
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,000
suit going right now on it.
Yeah, because it's a mess.

861
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,400
But anyways, well, that's really
cool.

862
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,240
I'm glad you're doing that, cuz
I mean, it takes a.

863
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:02,880
Guy.
That's a lot of.

864
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,880
Fun It takes a bunch of guys
like you, but certainly one

865
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,320
really smart, really noisy.
Guy writes lots of I got to tell

866
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,160
you the guys that started
OverDrive Energy Solutions, Neil

867
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,880
Vasavada and Boxer partisan,
those guys in LA, those are

868
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,880
really the guys who put this
thing together and then they

869
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,240
picked up a guy named Sean Jacob
who was the Carpenter for Roger

870
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,680
Waters.
He's a guy who who flew the pig

871
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:36,440
and yeah so but he is off the
charts brilliant.

872
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,760
He's he's got a master's degree
in electrical engineering but

873
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,600
he's working as a Carpenter.
Go figure.

874
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:48,160
But but yeah, but these guys, I
mean, when we do these events, I

875
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,680
mean, I just feel so like we're.
I'm just surrounded by

876
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,840
brilliance.
They're They're really, really,

877
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,080
yeah.
It's a great team.

878
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,400
OverDrive is specifically for
our industry like it's a power

879
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,600
company for the industry.
That's cool.

880
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,800
Exactly.
Interesting.

881
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,240
And how long have they been
around about?

882
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:06,600
4/5.
Years.

883
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,160
And they've always been
batteries.

884
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,600
It's all been built.
On batteries, the whole thing,

885
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,240
yeah, they started the company.
They started the company with

886
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,480
that idea.
Yeah, I think Neil started the

887
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,040
company and then you brought in
some other people.

888
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Interesting.
Yeah, that's cool.

889
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,400
I'm gonna have to reach out to
those guys.

890
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Maybe I'll get them on the
podcast.

891
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Yeah, Neil would love to be on
the podcast.

892
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,080
Yeah, well, if you can connect
me on an.

893
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,480
E-mail.
Maybe.

894
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,760
Box.
Yeah.

895
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,040
OK, that.
'D be fun.

896
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,360
So one of the things I wanted to
talk to you about.

897
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,160
So you've moved all of your
stuff over to Sub Stack now and

898
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,360
it's funny because I obviously
pay a lot of attention to that

899
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,040
kind of stuff.
But I would assume that 90% of

900
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,480
our industry have no idea what
the hell sub stack is or why

901
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,080
somebody would need it or
anything.

902
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,560
Yeah.
So why sub stack was that so

903
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,920
that you were able to monetize
it or or was there other

904
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
reasons, was it just a good
platform?

905
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,440
No, not at all.
So I used to have a newsletter

906
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:08,160
before the pandemic and I I just
collected e-mail addresses over

907
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,520
a period of time.
And I I was up to like 3000

908
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,320
e-mail addresses or something
like that.

909
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,720
And I would just like, you know,
once a month I would write a

910
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:21,200
newsletter and I'd try to put
three or four articles in it and

911
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,280
I'd send it out.
But then during the pandemic I

912
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,840
stopped doing it because, you
know, everything was turned

913
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,400
upside down.
And then at the beginning of

914
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,320
this year or at the end of last
year, I should say I decided,

915
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,200
OK, it's time I need to start
that newsletter again.

916
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:41,440
I started looking around for a
better platform I was using.

917
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,320
What was I using?
I can't remember now but it was

918
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,360
OK.
But it wasn't spectacular.

919
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,320
But I kept seeing this sub stack
thing and really what made me

920
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:56,080
look at it a bit closer was a
friend of mine he named David

921
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,760
Foer.
He used to play drums in a band

922
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,960
called Bubble Puppy.
They had a.

923
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Huge hit, he says.
Why do you come up with these

924
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,680
band names?
I thought I knew a lot about

925
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,720
music until you started
mentioning all these band names.

926
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Yeah, you're a little bit too
young to remember Bubble Puppy.

927
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:16,160
They were on American Bandstand
in the late 60s early 70s and

928
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,680
they toured with Steppenwolf and
they had a they had a hit called

929
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:26,320
Hot Smoke and Sassafras and yeah
and and they were one of those

930
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,280
psychedelic rock bands.
And David's a friend of mine.

931
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,440
We played in in a band together
in the 90s, in the in the 80s

932
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,520
actually in in Austin.
And he started writing a sub

933
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,680
stack about his experience with
Bubble Puppy.

934
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,160
And so I of course subscribed
and started reading it and I

935
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,880
thought wow, this looks like a
really interesting little

936
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,760
platform here.
So I started looking into it and

937
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,560
as soon as I logged on and and
read about it, I'm like oh I'm

938
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,120
in this is this is it.
It's great because it basically

939
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,120
handles everything on the back
and all you have to do is blog.

940
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,000
You don't have to worry about
you know any of the details.

941
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,120
It's just it's it's very it's
very well done and it also has

942
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:17,440
you can not only can you write
but you can vlog you can post

943
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,040
videos you can and you have the
option to monetize it.

944
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,120
Now when I set mine up, I
thought, well, I'll just do it

945
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,000
for free.
And then I thought, well, what

946
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,240
would it hurt to, you know, add
the option if somebody wants to

947
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,600
to, you know, pay or whatever.
Yeah.

948
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,160
And now I have like, I think
there's 17 paid subscribers,

949
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,280
which I really appreciate and
that's really cool.

950
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,520
But really, yeah.
But really the main point is I

951
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,000
want to get information out
there, you know And the reason I

952
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,640
chose the the top, I call it
Stagehand 101 because when I

953
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:59,320
restarted this thing at in
January of this year 2024, so

954
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,840
that when you're looking back 10
years from now, you'll know what

955
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,440
today is.
But, but when I started it, you

956
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,280
know, I all of last year and the
year before, as I go around

957
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,120
teaching classes, one one of the
most consistent things that I

958
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,560
heard was that we had a talent
drain during the pandemic.

959
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:22,560
And a lot of the people coming
in the industry today have very

960
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,280
little experience.
So I thought, OK, well, let's

961
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,920
back up a notch and let's start
at the foundation, let's talk

962
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,680
about those very foundational
things, you know, how to be a

963
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,040
stagehand.
So that's what I started writing

964
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,760
about and it's been a lot of
fun.

965
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,040
I really enjoy it.
Well you know, as a as a

966
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:46,240
thought, like one of the things
you could do is you know, record

967
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,880
all of your classes, which you
probably do already anyways, but

968
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,040
then actually get someone, maybe
overseas or something to do some

969
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,240
really cool editing for all your
classes and put those behind a

970
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,120
pay wall.
I've already actually done.

971
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,160
I've been doing that for
probably 7 years.

972
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,560
So about seven or eight, Yeah,
seven or eight years ago I had a

973
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,960
class over at Full Sail
University and you know, they

974
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,840
have a nice stage and they have
students there who know how to

975
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,160
run video cameras and they even
had a jib.

976
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:24,840
So we did A33 camera shoot and I
ended up with 2121 hours of of

977
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:31,840
raw video, which I then edited
into 72 short modules, about 10

978
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,680
to 15 minutes each.
And then at the end of every

979
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:40,640
module, I put a quiz.
So that's that's on my APT XL

980
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,920
website.
So if you go online, you can,

981
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,920
you can pay for that course and
it's, it's, it's a ETC.

982
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,400
Recognized course.
Yeah.

983
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,440
So if you take the class online,
you get the same renewal credits

984
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,960
etcp renewal credits that you
would get if you came to my

985
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,280
class in person, Huh?
That's really cool.

986
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,400
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, but you know, at

987
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,880
the end of the day, like, I
think so many people, probably

988
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,480
yourself included, have like not
really imposter syndrome.

989
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,440
But but like, I'm a crook if I
charge people, you know, and I

990
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,320
just don't agree with that at
all, like, because you're

991
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,440
investing more time into this
than most people in our industry

992
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,560
invest into their careers,
period.

993
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,480
And you have every right to get
paid for that content.

994
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,760
I mean, I don't see why you
shouldn't.

995
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,880
So you know, to me it's a
freemium model and always should

996
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,280
be a freemium model, you know
where you give away 50% of it

997
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,000
and if you want the other 50%
you have to subscribe and you.

998
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,720
Know I'm sure that's my goal.
I'm sure you'll make your way

999
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,880
there.
Yeah, you know who who does a

1000
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,800
really good job of it on Sub
Stack, and you may have already

1001
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,680
been reading his stuff, is a guy
named Lenny Rakowski or Rakowski

1002
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,920
or Rakatski or something.
But if you just search for

1003
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
Lenny's podcast, he's got like a
million subscribers or

1004
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,680
something.
Wow.

1005
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,840
And he's a tech guy.
Tech like programming tech,

1006
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,840
coding tech kind of guy and just
a super smart guy, really,

1007
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,520
really smart guy and a really
interesting podcast if you're

1008
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,160
interested in that kind of tech.
I mean for.

1009
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,440
Me, I absolutely.
Have to be, yeah.

1010
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,200
But.
And he's just done an incredible

1011
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,280
job and now he's spun it into a
podcast, he's spun it into, you

1012
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,880
know, YouTube channels and all
kinds of other stuff too.

1013
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,800
And you know, that's basically
his gig now and he's making a

1014
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,040
load of money from it.
I think he was one of the

1015
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,200
original coders from Airbnb or
something.

1016
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Just a super, super smart dude.
But he's done a really good job.

1017
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,680
You know, I wouldn't call it
monopolizing, but but finding a

1018
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,800
way to monetize his content
through sub stack really good.

1019
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,440
Probably better than most
people, so.

1020
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,960
Well, thanks for the tip.
I will definitely check that

1021
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,400
out.
Yeah, yeah.

1022
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,800
I've not heard of it before.
What is what's Academy of

1023
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,680
production technology you just
mentioned it I think and.

1024
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,960
Yeah, you know that that was my
grandiose idea way back in the

1025
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,760
day.
So I've been teaching classes

1026
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:09,800
since I would say man, late 90s.
You know Steve Irwin and I

1027
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:15,160
attempted to do online training
before.

1028
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,000
Yeah, we're we're too far ahead
of the curve and and it didn't

1029
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:24,320
really catch on.
But then in what really made it

1030
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,920
catch on was in 2006 I believe
it was when they started the

1031
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,720
ETCP certification program.
Then people needed to prepare to

1032
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:37,000
take the exam, and that's when
the classes really started to

1033
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,240
take off.
And back then, even before then,

1034
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:45,840
I think a couple of years before
then, you know, I had put

1035
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,960
together a, you know, what I
thought would eventually become

1036
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:56,240
a, a, a like, a real Academy.
And over the years, I've learned

1037
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,600
that it's really more
challenging than than you might

1038
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,040
think.
So it's really just my my

1039
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,120
business training, you know,
which turns out to be me.

1040
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,280
So that's a better way to do it.
That's a better way to do it.

1041
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,800
Look at how many health experts
are out giving you better

1042
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,480
information than doctors.
And yeah, they've got

1043
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,680
disclaimers that say I'm not a
medical doctor.

1044
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,600
Seek advice from your medical
doctor or I'm not a lawyer.

1045
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,680
Seek advice from your lawyer.
Those guys are making more money

1046
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,360
than the doctors and the
lawyers.

1047
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,520
You know, these guys who, and
they're also they're better

1048
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,600
people to take information from
because they're not necessarily

1049
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,920
bound by the same, you know,
restrictions or whatever it is,

1050
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,640
right?
They can talk, they can promote,

1051
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,760
they can do things that maybe a
lawyer or a doctor.

1052
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,640
Can't do so, yeah.
So a few years ago I I, I kind

1053
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,240
of put more emphasis on building
my brand as my name rather than

1054
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,760
the Academy.
But I still you know, a bank

1055
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,400
account when when somebody pays
me, you know, you can either

1056
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,120
write it, write a check to me,
or you can write it to Academy

1057
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,400
of Production Technology, you
know, and when you go online,

1058
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,360
write a check.
How?

1059
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,680
Old are you, man?
Right.

1060
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,480
You mean she's?
Surprised how many how many

1061
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,440
people still write checks,
especially the unions.

1062
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,280
You know, I I have the
Gearsource checkbook here and I

1063
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,680
don't even know where it is
anymore.

1064
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,520
Like, I have no idea.
I don't.

1065
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,880
I don't need a check.
I be like, oh shit.

1066
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Yeah, you know what?
If somebody wants to write me a

1067
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,160
check, bring it.
I'll take it.

1068
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,040
I'll take cash.
Check now.

1069
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,160
You can just take a picture of
them and and deposit them, but

1070
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,960
you know, other than the, other
than the government, you know, I

1071
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,160
don't know that I've I've seen a
check from somebody in years

1072
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,040
like you.
Just, oh, I get a ton of them.

1073
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,040
I really.
Yeah, I get paid by check all

1074
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,440
the time.
Yeah, that's wild, huh?

1075
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,240
Yeah, I know it's.
Go figure.

1076
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,480
Show figure.
Yeah, well I love what you're

1077
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,200
doing.
Like I love all the all those

1078
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,760
components and and you know, I
also know how hard it is to do

1079
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,960
by yourself.
And you know one thing I would

1080
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,520
definitely recommend is I've got
this lady named Sarah who who

1081
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,560
you know is a godsend.
Find yourself a Sarah.

1082
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,240
You know find yourself someone
who is as passionate about what

1083
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,440
you're doing as you are.
Like Sarah's just in love with

1084
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,720
our podcast.
She's in love with our industry.

1085
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,040
She loves all the people.
She's, you know, she she's as

1086
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,200
enthusiastic as she seems when
she's getting you signed on.

1087
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,800
And yeah, and you know, because
we're set up the way we are,

1088
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,320
she's 100% remote.
I've never even met Sarah and

1089
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,800
I've known her for, I don't
know, three years now or

1090
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,640
something.
Really.

1091
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,920
Wow, that's crazy.
She lives.

1092
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,240
She lives on Crete and she's
British, but she lives on Crete

1093
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,000
and you know, she's got this
great lifestyle in Crete and she

1094
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,600
just happens to have this fully
remote gig as a producer for a

1095
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,240
podcast.
She used to work for Formula One

1096
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,240
Sarah.
Did.

1097
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,080
No kidding.
Wow.

1098
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Yeah, she used to travel the
world with Formula One and

1099
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,480
settle down.
Got married to a guy, a Greek

1100
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,960
guy on Crete and she lives
there, has a beautiful life.

1101
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,400
And so, yeah, but I mean, find
yourself that person.

1102
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,520
And.
It'll just explode your

1103
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,520
business.
It'll, yeah.

1104
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,120
And this this industry attracts
people like that, doesn't it?

1105
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,040
Who are just really passionate
about what what we're doing.

1106
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,680
Yeah, it's great.
I mean, you know, it really is

1107
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,040
obviously a great industry from
a standpoint of the people and

1108
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,840
the the passion and the stories
and all of that stuff.

1109
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,600
And I love that about our
industry.

1110
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,400
There's some things that maybe I
don't love about our industry

1111
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,840
some days, but but I do love
that.

1112
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:34,160
But yeah, I mean get you know,
you deserve to to obviously not

1113
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,560
only prosper from this, but to
to earn a really good living and

1114
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,880
to have a lifestyle and all of
those things.

1115
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,760
But also I think the world needs
a little bit more of your

1116
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,880
information.
And to do that you got to create

1117
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,520
a platform that can go wide
enough that can get all that

1118
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,040
information out where you don't
have to be involved in every

1119
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,000
single one of those aspects.
And that's that's obviously the

1120
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,880
penultimate goal for any like
information based business like

1121
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,640
yours right is, is.
To Yeah.

1122
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,120
And I agree.
You know, for for many, many

1123
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,120
years there was only on the job
training.

1124
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,480
I mean, yeah, you can go to
university, go to college and

1125
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,360
learn some aspects of it, But
the kind of stuff that we're

1126
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,720
learning now and that we're
doing now, you know a lot of

1127
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,960
it's not taught in colleges or
universities and so and it's

1128
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,080
it's not getting any any
simpler.

1129
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,920
Marcel's the technology is
getting more and more advanced

1130
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,800
all the time and it just takes
more training, you know.

1131
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,400
And yeah, you're right, that
information needs to be

1132
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,080
documented, needs to be
broadcast, it needs to be

1133
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,160
disseminated better and any any
tools like that that help get it

1134
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,120
out there are really a bonus,
so.

1135
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,840
You know, and you're you're, I
think, producing more practical

1136
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,000
information too.
Like the the problem is, you

1137
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,120
know, there's school, what
school teaches you and then

1138
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,400
there's what you actually learn
on the gig, which is totally

1139
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,240
different.
And so, you know, filling that

1140
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,280
gap I think is really super
important.

1141
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,360
Preparing people, especially
now, like right now, there is

1142
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,360
such an opportunity to take
regular people who are coming

1143
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,480
either out of, you know,
theater, college or whatever it

1144
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,680
is, or they're just coming off
the street and saying, yeah, you

1145
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,760
know, I think I'd try out this
touring thing.

1146
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,160
Who preps them for that stuff,
right?

1147
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,280
You know who teaches them not to
shit on the bus until they shit

1148
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,360
on the bus and get beat up for
it, You know?

1149
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,000
You know who teaches them these
things, And I mean more so the

1150
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,120
safety things and stuff.
You know, I'm just kidding about

1151
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,280
the bus etiquette.
But that's also important, you

1152
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,760
know, It's important that you
learn that stuff.

1153
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,000
But.
You know, yeah.

1154
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,960
And you know, the The funny
thing is that like you, I was a

1155
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,280
musician.
I always wanted to be a

1156
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,080
musician, but my parents always
wanted me to be an engineer.

1157
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,680
So, you know, I kind of
acquiesce to them.

1158
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,160
So when I went to college, I
studied electrical engineering.

1159
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,920
But I was my, you know, my head
was always in music.

1160
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,400
But it was fortunate because
when I did get into the lighting

1161
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,720
industry, all that stuff I
learned in college helped out so

1162
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,640
much.
But it's all theory, you know,

1163
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,360
If you ever take engineering
classes, it's all math.

1164
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,040
It's all theory.
I mean, very, very little

1165
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:17,600
practical application at all.
So what I had to do and when I

1166
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,240
started working in the industry
is connect the dots between the

1167
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,880
theory and the real world.
And still to this day, I'm still

1168
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,640
trying to make those
connections.

1169
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,640
And those are the things I like
to write about when I connect,

1170
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,040
you know, things like today or
yeah, actually this morning I

1171
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,000
sent out a sub stack about why
you know, how to coil cables and

1172
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,120
why some some cables get
destroyed, you know?

1173
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Somebody said tequila makes them
all wobbly or whatever.

1174
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Yeah, right.
Yeah, I saw that.

1175
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,400
I saw that.
Post or the OR the person

1176
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,040
coiling.
It.

1177
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:49,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

1178
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,000
Is it the cable?
Yeah.

1179
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,160
Person coiling it on drinking
the tequila.

1180
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,560
But yeah, but.
Those are the kind of things

1181
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,680
where you know, you you, you
take a real world problem and

1182
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,240
you go, how and how does this
happen?

1183
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,840
What's the theory behind it?
And then you think about it, you

1184
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,480
make the connection and then you
write about it.

1185
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,520
So that's that's what I try to
do, you know.

1186
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,360
And so this is way.
Off topic?

1187
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,240
I'm sorry, but OK.
I was recently at Vault Lighting

1188
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,280
in Lai.
Don't know if you've been to

1189
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,920
their shop, Matt's Shop don't.
Think so.

1190
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,000
It's Matt.
God, I'm gonna screw up his last

1191
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:24,760
name.
Shimamoto.

1192
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And wonderful guy.

1193
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Just him and his partner are
beautiful people.

1194
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,600
Their shop is amazing.
It's a stunning shop.

1195
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,920
But they've got this cable
department where I'm like, are

1196
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,960
those guys doing what I think
they're doing?

1197
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,120
Like they're literally washing
every single cable before it

1198
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,080
goes back into the box.
And the way they wrap them is

1199
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,040
surgical, like it is unreal.
I've got pictures.

1200
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,800
I should send it to you, 'cause
I was shocked.

1201
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,640
Like, every cable is this
perfect little doughnut cable

1202
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,160
that is so clean you could lick
it and you wouldn't taste

1203
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,360
anything, you know?
I mean, it's unreal.

1204
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,480
Marcel, don't lick the.
Cable.

1205
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,640
OK, well, you know, I've been
known to lick a doorknob or two,

1206
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,520
you know, But.
But, but I was just blown away

1207
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,720
by it like that to me is a level
of quality that people will

1208
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,600
notice.
And those cables show up on a

1209
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,600
ramp.
Absolutely.

1210
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,120
They're going to be like these
must be from Volt, right?

1211
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:26,960
Yeah, these are from.
Volt.

1212
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,080
Yeah.
No I I've seen those before in a

1213
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,320
couple of shops.
I want to say PRG has a cable

1214
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,160
washer and I think 4 wall might
also and they also have cable

1215
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,520
coiler.
Yeah.

1216
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,960
And and have you been to the
four wall shop in Vegas these?

1217
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,000
Guys, do it by hand.
I mean, it's like, oh wow.

1218
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,520
Thing to watch.
The washing and the the coiling

1219
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,960
of the cables, it is a real
thing to watch.

1220
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,040
It's unreal, like I like.
You're saying they they coil

1221
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,320
them by hand.
They coil them.

1222
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,280
Oh, wow.
Yeah.

1223
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,160
OK.
Let's see, that process is done

1224
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,480
by hand.
It's unreal.

1225
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,040
Yeah, it really is amazing.
Sorry, what were?

1226
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,320
You saying before have you been
to the four wash shop in Vegas?

1227
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:11,720
It's it's beautiful it's and
sorry I'm cables bite my tongue

1228
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,040
OK edit this out now have you
been to the Christie shop in

1229
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,880
Vegas, Marcel.
Because they have a robot that

1230
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,240
goes around and can get stuff
off of the high, high racks.

1231
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,440
You know, forklift kind of I.
Think I've only been to the

1232
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,160
office.
I don't know if I went into the

1233
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,000
shop because I don't remember
seeing that.

1234
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,760
That's cool.
But, but the point is that a lot

1235
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,520
of the stuff is being modernized
and you know, which we need

1236
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,200
because of course the amount of
gear these days is mind blown.

1237
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,320
You know, I did a gig in New
York City, right, just after the

1238
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,800
pandemic at the Jacob Javits
Center and the gear showed up

1239
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,840
totally unprepped, you know,
because they didn't have the

1240
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,600
labor to do it back then.
It was just coming out of the

1241
01:06:52,600 --> 01:07:00,440
pandemic, you know, So we need
ways to better handle gear and

1242
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,680
kind of automate it so that it
gets done even when you have

1243
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,320
fewer people in the shop.
Yeah, well.

1244
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,360
Even just like standardized RFID
codes and things like that,

1245
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,080
right?
Just.

1246
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,160
Really obvious, simple answers
like manufacturers shipping

1247
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,240
things with standardized RFID
codes that everybody can use and

1248
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,040
maybe they can top load this
file into your readers or

1249
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,240
whatever.
Maybe the answer is AI.

1250
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,240
Of course it is.
That's the answer to everything.

1251
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,800
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, let's get.

1252
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,840
Into that 'cause I wanna talk to
I wanna talk about AI and and

1253
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,200
you know for for starters like
have you have you seen this new

1254
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,560
Sora video?
No.

1255
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:51,120
Do you know what Sora is?
Sora Sora is the the video

1256
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:56,960
generation AI that Hollywood's
freaking out about.

1257
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,080
Like it's it's what's right.
Yeah, I've heard it.

1258
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,600
Yeah, right.
Yeah, it's what's behind a lot

1259
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,720
of these these strikes and and
just a lot of the actions that

1260
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,600
are happening.
And like, what's his name?

1261
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,720
Tyler Perry stopped construction
on his $800 million studio

1262
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:17,319
because of Sora.
But if you Google Sora balloon

1263
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:22,000
head, there's this video that
they generated that's just a guy

1264
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,120
who's got a balloon for a head
and it's 100% AI generated.

1265
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,560
It's unbelievable.
It's mind blowing.

1266
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,680
It's it's like, holy shit, this
is where we're at already.

1267
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,960
Like where are we going to be a
few years from now?

1268
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,920
You know?
Another cool thing to listen to

1269
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:44,520
is Rogan's talk with Kurzweil
couple of weeks ago, maybe 2-3

1270
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,600
weeks ago, and Kurzweil just
saying, you know where we're

1271
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:55,640
going to be by 2029 is just like
so much further ahead than we

1272
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,120
are right now.
Ray.

1273
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,840
Ray.
Kurzweil's the guy.

1274
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,479
He's he's brilliant.
So he's.

1275
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,640
He's a smart dude.
He's a smart, smart dude.

1276
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,439
But yeah, yeah, I mean, Sora's a
wild one.

1277
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,600
Dolly's a wild one.
You know, a lot of the sort of

1278
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,800
custom GPTS I look at are pretty
crazy, you know, as far as being

1279
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,479
able to write legal documents.
Like, you can get a special

1280
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,960
legal GPT that is very much
formatted for because you know

1281
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,120
where I think a lot of people
get stuck and go, this stupid AI

1282
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,160
stuff is ridiculous.
You know, it writes garbage.

1283
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,120
You know, my, my, my, you know
it.

1284
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,560
It's writing blogs for me and
they're just terrible.

1285
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,000
You know that.
You can tell they're written by

1286
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,160
AI.
Well, that's because you don't

1287
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,760
know how to prompt it.
You know the the prompting is

1288
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,319
the magic for for these AI
systems.

1289
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:49,720
But so you know, first of all,
like are you using any AI?

1290
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,439
I would guess helping you to
write your blogs and stuff.

1291
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,360
You're using it.
I use.

1292
01:09:54,360 --> 01:10:00,760
ChatGPT a lot.
Not to write blogs, but so the

1293
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,760
first real practical use that I
found for it is actually to

1294
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,400
write JavaScript write
applications.

1295
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:14,440
Because I used to do the several
years ago, I had the idea well,

1296
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:18,080
you know write an app that has
to do that that will help people

1297
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:23,280
study for the ETCP electrical
Entertainment electricians

1298
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,400
certification exam.
So things like, you know, how

1299
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,920
how to practice Ohm's law
calculations and power formula

1300
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,720
calculations.
So I taught myself JavaScript

1301
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,360
and you know, I I used to like
when I was in high school I took

1302
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,040
some programming classes in
College in electrical

1303
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,000
engineering that make you take
programming classes.

1304
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,880
So I I've programmed before, but
not JavaScript.

1305
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,880
So I taught myself to write
JavaScript.

1306
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,280
I wrote a couple of apps, but it
took me a month to write a very

1307
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,480
simple app, you know, and and
then when I started reading

1308
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:56,920
about ChatGPT and in particular
I heard in New York Times

1309
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,320
podcast about how clever it is
writing code.

1310
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,800
So I thought, well, I'm going to
give it a try.

1311
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,840
So I sat down, I gave it a
couple of prompts and within 30

1312
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,080
minutes I had an app that would
have taken me a month to write

1313
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,000
and it was far better.
Yeah, so, so I've written a

1314
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,160
couple of like that that are on
my website.

1315
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:19,960
So if you go under a PT xl.com
resources, then there's some,

1316
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,560
there's some apps that will help
you, you know, basically be a

1317
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,440
better entertainment electrician
or power.

1318
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:28,040
That's really cool.
Power guy.

1319
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,160
Yeah, that's really cool.
Yeah.

1320
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,160
So that was the first thing.
And then another thing I use it

1321
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,160
for is just research, because if
I want to know for example like

1322
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:43,640
when I was doing writing this
cable article, you know I was

1323
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:48,440
talking to Harry Box who wrote
the Set technicians handbook

1324
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:54,360
which is the Bible of for
gaffers and grips in in

1325
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,280
Hollywood.
And and he's really the guy when

1326
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:03,520
it comes to you know that that
particular topic.

1327
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,840
So I I shot him an e-mail and I
said hey man, you know on page

1328
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,720
266 of your book you talk about
coiling cable.

1329
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,600
I said where did you get that
information from Is it just

1330
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,240
field experience or did you
source it somewhere He goes,

1331
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,080
well, you know originally I I
think I sourced it from a cable

1332
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,960
manufacturer.
He goes, I think it was Carol

1333
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,200
cable.
But I can't find the original

1334
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,600
source right now.
So I went and you know now I

1335
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:31,720
could go online and I can Google
Carol cable, coiling cable or

1336
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,880
coiling cable techniques or
something like that.

1337
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,320
But it's.
I find it's much more efficient

1338
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,680
if you go to ChatGPT and you
type in the same prompt, because

1339
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,400
it will then search all of these
different sources and it'll give

1340
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,720
you what you're looking for much
quicker.

1341
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,840
And it's usually.
Now, it's not always 100%

1342
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,280
accurate, but if you know
anything about coiling cable you

1343
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,720
can spot it right off the path,
You'll know whether or not it's

1344
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,040
well and.
You can also, you can also in

1345
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,960
your prompt you can tell it not
to make shit up and you can tell

1346
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,440
it what results you want back,
what you want them to look like.

1347
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,040
Like you could say what was his
name?

1348
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,160
Harry, you could.
Say, Harry Box, yeah.

1349
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:15,680
Yeah, you could say acting like
Harry Box, tell me about this or

1350
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,080
that and it'll research his book
for you and find that

1351
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:24,280
information or whatever, right.
It really is incredible and it's

1352
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,440
all down to the prompting and
I'm still learning a lot.

1353
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,480
Yeah, me too.
One of the things when I went to

1354
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,280
the paid version is you can talk
to it, you can just communicate,

1355
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,680
you can just basically talk to
it like you're talking to an

1356
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:36,840
employee.
Exactly.

1357
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,480
Let's.
Say you have an employee who

1358
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,440
maybe is from overseas or
something, and you have to

1359
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:45,440
really explain things to them,
Tell them exactly.

1360
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,640
I want it to be yellow.
I want it to be 7 lines long

1361
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,960
with bullet points.
I want it to be this.

1362
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,160
I want it to be that.
I want it to be in 20 point

1363
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,320
font.
You know, it'll give you exactly

1364
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,080
what you've asked for, pretty
much with the occasional

1365
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,560
mistake.
But it's really incredible.

1366
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,120
I I I'm blown away by the uses.
But I didn't know you could tell

1367
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,000
it not to make stuff up.
That's good to know you can.

1368
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,200
You can and you can also say
don't apologize, you can tell it

1369
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,520
not to apologize.
I've found some really great,

1370
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,280
you know, in I can show you this
later.

1371
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,760
But in your setup on ChatGPT,
you can put some things in there

1372
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,120
and I forget what they call it,
but you can basically put in

1373
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,800
some formatting things that will
tell it never, you know, never

1374
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,720
lie to me, never do this, never
do that, always do this.

1375
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,040
You know you can put some rules
in basically, and it'll always

1376
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:41,040
use that formatting in your
responses, but have you written

1377
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,720
any custom GPTS yet or anything
that you're?

1378
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,920
No, that's something I'm
definitely interested in doing.

1379
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,640
I don't know how to do it, but
I've read that you can do that.

1380
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,440
People make it look so easy.
Like I've watched so many

1381
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:58,160
YouTube videos and stuff on it
and I'm an idiot when it comes

1382
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,000
to that stuff.
You'll have an easy time with

1383
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,680
it.
Me, not so much, but it it

1384
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:08,120
really does look extremely
simple to do it and especially

1385
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:13,240
for fairly basic functions.
And then now they're, I don't

1386
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,760
know if they've launched it yet,
but they either did or they're

1387
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:22,520
about to launch like a GPT shop,
like a store where like an App

1388
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:27,080
Store where you can go and you
can actually monetize these GPTS

1389
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,000
that you're creating so that
people can go on this App Store

1390
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,440
thing and pay you $0.99 for, you
know, this, this GPT that you've

1391
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:39,480
created, custom GPT.
So you know, not that that's a

1392
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,920
business I would get into, but.
Right.

1393
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,600
But yeah, getting into the
bigger picture of AI and you

1394
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,480
know, I had this conversation
yesterday with with Josh Allen

1395
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,040
from Three LRI.
Don't know if you know Josh, but

1396
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,160
really great designer, really
smart guy.

1397
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,000
And you know, obviously our
industry is pretty freaked out

1398
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,760
about, you know, watching jobs
go away.

1399
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:12,240
You know, right, Programmers,
lighting directors, you know,

1400
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,000
whatever it is, you know,
whatever job it is.

1401
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,680
But, but you know, some of the
writing is on the wall on some

1402
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,280
of those things I think and then
other things, you know, it's

1403
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,360
probably going to be an awful
long time before you see that go

1404
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,400
away.
But do you have any thoughts on

1405
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,240
that like as far as?
I do.

1406
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,800
You know, boards that program
themselves, Like instead of

1407
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,960
having a programmer there at
rehearsals where you just talk

1408
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,240
to the board and you say now I
want to look that's, you know,

1409
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,480
sort of pinkish, but kind of
bluish and does this and does

1410
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,560
that.
Yeah, well, I have a different

1411
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,800
take on the jobs thing.
And I think it's important

1412
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,040
because obviously we need jobs.
We need money.

1413
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,040
We need to be able to to, you
know, feed our families and put

1414
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,080
food on the table.
But, you know, there used to be,

1415
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,640
back in the 1930s, there was a
college professor at Yale named

1416
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,440
George Eisenhower.
And he's a contemporary

1417
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:05,080
McCandless.
And he was brilliant.

1418
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,200
He was way ahead of his time.
And he what he tried to do was

1419
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,040
to make robotic lighting in the
1930s.

1420
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,800
He he attempted it and failed
and because the technology

1421
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:25,680
wasn't there yet.
And then in 19 in the 1950s the

1422
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:32,320
the producer movie producer
what's his name escape Italian

1423
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,080
producer was was going to make
this movie, I think it's called

1424
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,200
Under the Big Top, about a
circus family.

1425
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,240
And they have not, you know
these giant tents like Cirque du

1426
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,320
Soleil with 90 foot, you know,
poles.

1427
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,280
And they wanted to be able to,
I'll think of the producer's

1428
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,720
name in a minute.
But they they wanted to be able

1429
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,080
to refocus the lighting without
having to climb up these 90 foot

1430
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:00,120
structures.
So he called Eisenhower and he

1431
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,600
said can you make a motorized
fresnel.

1432
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:10,120
So he took a a strand feather
light Fresnel and he motorized

1433
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,920
it, pan and tilt and so they
could refocus it from the ground

1434
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,640
level.
And it worked.

1435
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:23,720
And so then in the 1960s they
took those same lights and they

1436
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,560
put them in Rockefeller Center,
Studio 8.

1437
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,400
HI.
Think it is where they they

1438
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,600
shoot Saturday Night Live today.
This is back in the 1960s.

1439
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,360
Now, Eisenhower had written a
couple of books about this which

1440
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:40,640
I read, and I want it back in, I
want to say the 2000s.

1441
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,840
I wanted to talk to him about
them, so I I tracked him down.

1442
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,120
He was living in a nursing home.
He's 91 years old at the time,

1443
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,400
and I called him up and he was
very friendly, very nice guy.

1444
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,440
And I had a long talk with him
and he told me a story about

1445
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,240
that.
He said that when they put those

1446
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:07,400
motorized Fresnels in
Rockefeller Center, in the

1447
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,560
studio there, that the
stagehands were in fear of

1448
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,800
losing their jobs so
mysteriously overnight.

1449
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,760
The gearboxes were filled with
sand, so they broke them, you

1450
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,080
know.
And so the lesson from that, the

1451
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:26,000
take away from that for me is
that today we have lots and lots

1452
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,120
of automated lighting and none
of those jobs have gone away.

1453
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,680
They've only multiplied.
Now the job has changed.

1454
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,440
And I think that's what's going
to happen with AII believe that

1455
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,840
jobs are going to morph.
I think that more jobs will be

1456
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,360
created and that the jobs will
change.

1457
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:48,040
And as you know, either you're,
you can adapt to it, in which

1458
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,400
case you'll stay employed or
you'll get replaced by younger

1459
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,280
employer, younger people who
will come in and just

1460
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,920
automatically gravitate to the
stuff, you know.

1461
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:03,080
But in term, yeah, thank you.
But in terms of how it's going

1462
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:07,160
to change, I mean that's I've
been predicting.

1463
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,800
Voice control for for automated
lighting for too many years and

1464
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,360
you know Larry Cotton actually
did that at high end systems

1465
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,160
back in the 19.
Let me think about this, was it

1466
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,000
the, yeah, it was in the 90s,
the mid 90s.

1467
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:28,240
He had a status queue that he
had a headset and he could give

1468
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,120
it commands and it would, it
would take his command and it

1469
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,400
would, you know, do things like
change the colour of lights.

1470
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,960
The problem was you go into
noisy environment and it just

1471
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,760
didn't work, you know, So you
had to be in a room by yourself

1472
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,560
to make it work.
Well, the technology is far more

1473
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,840
advanced today.
Yeah, you know, yeah, but so, so

1474
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,520
I can.
Once you get once you get neural

1475
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,160
link, you'll just think about
it, yeah?

1476
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,240
Right.
And then boy, that would be

1477
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,880
something.
Yeah.

1478
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,920
Or whatever.
Oh my gosh.

1479
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,120
God, this would be better in
red.

1480
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:00,880
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, boom.

1481
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,800
But I can you know if you think
about, I think all the

1482
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,800
components are there think think
about this.

1483
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,200
So just like you've used Dolly
right And you you give it a

1484
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:17,240
prompt and you say create a a
red stage wash with and then

1485
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:23,320
take two profile fixtures and
put them in in you know straw

1486
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:27,600
yellow and focus them downstage
center and it will create that

1487
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,200
picture.
Well, how?

1488
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,440
How difficult would it be to
instead of a picture, it's

1489
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:35,880
actually hooked up to
Vectorworks, which then tells

1490
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,400
the console, which then tells
the lights what to do.

1491
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,600
So you basically are giving a
prompt instead of typing out

1492
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,160
commands on a keyboard.
Well, how?

1493
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:51,360
About even more advanced than
that where it says create a look

1494
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:56,680
similar to, you know Michael
Jackson when Peter Morse

1495
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,760
designed the Dangerous tour back
in you know 19 whatever.

1496
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,920
And you know, add in today's
style of fixtures.

1497
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,360
But a similar look to this song
or whatever.

1498
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,640
Like, I mean you're just going
to be, you know make a look that

1499
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,040
looks like, you know, Roy
Bennett.

1500
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,680
You know, give me a Roy Bennett
look.

1501
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,800
Give me a Peter Morris look.
Give me a Mark Brickman look.

1502
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,160
You know, that's common.
That's all common.

1503
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,000
Yeah, no, I agree.
And I I had the idea probably

1504
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,960
three years ago, if you took a
bunch of college kids and you

1505
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,640
paid them, you know, I don't
know, 15 bucks an hour and a six

1506
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,880
pack of beer to sit down and
watch YouTube videos and grade

1507
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,080
the.
You're giving college kids beer?

1508
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,600
Richard, well, I mean, it's 21.
What are you promoting here?

1509
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,400
What are you promoting?
And but no, if you if you said

1510
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,640
OK, which of these videos do you
like the best?

1511
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,280
You know is it Pink Floyd, is it
Madonna, is it U2?

1512
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,400
And then you, you sort sort them
by by that and then you say, OK,

1513
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,360
what is it about that video that
you like?

1514
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,000
Do you like the color
combinations?

1515
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,960
You know, and then you get you,
you get down to this granular,

1516
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:17,880
you know, sort of place where
you can choose the best color

1517
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,400
combinations, the best focus
positions and then you can use

1518
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,720
those as your building blocks.
And now when I made that

1519
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,880
suggestion and I I think I wrote
about it somewhere, you know, I

1520
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,240
just had this idea and of course
it was, it was not received well

1521
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,160
because lighting designers are
going, oh, you know, you can't

1522
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,400
do that.
And maybe they have a point.

1523
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:44,400
I'm I'm willing to accept that
some of these this may be

1524
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,720
totally off the rails, but I
think in order to advance art

1525
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:52,680
you have to take chances and
there's going to be a lot of

1526
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,400
failures, but that's how you
move.

1527
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,480
The ball forward, Well, the
genie's out of the bottle too.

1528
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,800
You know this.
This isn't.

1529
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,920
You can't just stop it.
You can't just I.

1530
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,760
Totally agree.
You can't stop.

1531
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,360
It at this point.
So you got to either figure out

1532
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:10,880
a way to, you know, either
protect, you know, lighting

1533
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,960
designs or protect this or that.
But I mean there's nothing

1534
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:18,600
there's no intellectual property
in a in a lighting look or

1535
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,800
whatever, right.
It's it's just another lighting

1536
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,400
look.
He programmed the lights to do a

1537
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,840
certain thing.
Anyone could program the lights

1538
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,360
to do a certain thing.
So it's tough and you know

1539
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,360
believe me I'm I'm for the
lighting designers on this one.

1540
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,840
Absolutely.
But I think that you know it's

1541
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,720
coming.
It's going to happen like think

1542
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,880
of artists right now artists
like you can just go to ChatGPT

1543
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,200
today and or Dolly and say now
create that image in the vision

1544
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:48,560
of and you know insert artist
here and it'll completely change

1545
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,880
it to be their style of of
painting or drawing or whatever.

1546
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:53,520
It is.
Yeah, right.

1547
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,320
But at the end of the day, it's
another tool.

1548
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,640
And that's really what advances
art is tools, You know, if you

1549
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,160
think about, for example, Diego
Rivera, when he, you know, he

1550
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,400
was a great mural muralist.
But what what he was trying to

1551
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:12,240
do back in the 30s, they didn't
have the techniques, but he

1552
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,040
invented his own technique.
That's his tool to do that.

1553
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,800
The same with who was it?
Michelangelo, I think, who

1554
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,360
invented his own pigments?
I think it was to paint with

1555
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,960
because they they didn't have
anything that had enough

1556
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,680
saturation.
So he would mix his own paints.

1557
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,080
So this I I look at it as a
brilliant tool.

1558
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,280
If the right person is, Roy
Bennett would embrace it.

1559
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:43,680
Or if Peter Morris would embrace
it, or, you know, Mark Brickman

1560
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:48,880
would embrace it and really take
it to the limit.

1561
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,440
That's how you get, that's how
you create.

1562
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,000
You know, just mind blowing art
that nobody's ever seen it's.

1563
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,600
Going to be interesting because,
you know, one of the things that

1564
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,400
I think is going to be a very
slow roll on this is the

1565
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,880
manufacturers putting in the
technology to basically use AI

1566
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,200
in these consoles.
And because you know who's gonna

1567
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,120
be brave enough to do that?
It's it's gonna require a lot of

1568
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,760
courage to go out and say, hey,
we don't need lighting

1569
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,240
programmers anymore, you know?
You can program.

1570
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,560
I don't think it's gonna be
thoughts.

1571
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,680
I don't think it's gonna be the
program.

1572
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,480
I mean, I don't think it's gonna
be the manufacturers.

1573
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:27,920
I think it's gonna be
individuals.

1574
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,600
It's gonna be people.
I I'm drawing a blank on his

1575
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,160
name.
There used to be a guy.

1576
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,840
Well, there he's he's still
around there.

1577
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,200
There's a guy who who used to
work for Amazon and at if you

1578
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,160
work for Amazon they allow you
to have side projects.

1579
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:50,200
And his side project was coming
to the standards meetings at the

1580
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:56,080
ESTA standards meetings and he
would, you know invent

1581
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:00,600
technology.
He he created pages like there's

1582
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:05,880
a Raspberry Pi page how to how
to build RDM device or something

1583
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,200
like that And and that he just,
you know we're talking about

1584
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:11,840
people who are passionate
before.

1585
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,920
That's what it is.
Somebody who's passionate about

1586
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,200
doing what we're talking about,
those are the people who are

1587
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,600
going to make it happen.
But still the the until the

1588
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,960
consoles like until you have an
AI supported or AI driven or AI

1589
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,560
powered console, you're not
gonna have someone who can just

1590
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,160
talk to a console and have it,
you know, do things for you.

1591
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,440
Well, yeah, maybe you're right.
And that that just reminded me,

1592
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:44,400
Marcel.
I just came back from Seattle at

1593
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:49,680
USITT and guess what?
Vectorworks has integrated an AI

1594
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:54,040
into Vectorworks.
So when you, yeah, you can build

1595
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:59,040
a a 3D model and then I I hope I
can talk about this, this might

1596
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,320
be a bit premature, but anyway,
did you sign in India?

1597
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,920
No, I did not.
OK, then you're good.

1598
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:06,600
No.
No.

1599
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:12,040
But what you can do is you can
you can give it prompts to

1600
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:17,480
create renderings so based on
your stage design and you can

1601
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,320
you can scale it.
Either you can do it you can

1602
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:25,240
tell it how creative to get or
how true to the your design to

1603
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,040
stay.
You know, there's there's some

1604
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,880
levers you can, you know you can
some sliders you can move around

1605
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:35,480
to get different results, but
you know, that's that's the

1606
01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:40,440
start I think of being able to
say create a look with a blue

1607
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:45,160
wash and yellow beams and then
it'll if it can translate it in

1608
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:50,240
Vectorworks to DMX and send it
to the console then it's a done

1609
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,960
deal.
Well, and also what about like

1610
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,160
being able to design the rig and
then design all the, you know,

1611
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,600
infrastructure cabling and
everything else you know without

1612
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,160
having to do any of that work.
You know, basically saying, you

1613
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:09,640
know, I mean, to me, you're
gonna get rid of a lot of the

1614
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,040
redundant stuff.
And you know, I was talking to

1615
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,680
Josh Allen about that yesterday.
Like he said already, in a lot

1616
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:22,240
of his spec work, he's able to
remove just 10s of hours on

1617
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:27,920
just, you know, writing specs
and these long, long, long specs

1618
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,200
for a cruise ship or whatever,
that now you can just use AI to

1619
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,480
do it because it's pretty
straightforward stuff, but you

1620
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:37,960
have to write it and.
Right.

1621
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,840
So yeah, yeah, anything you can
automate like that, it makes

1622
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,120
sense.
Totally makes sense.

1623
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:47,200
Yeah, yeah.
It's just, I know, like at LDI I

1624
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,320
wasn't there this year for the
first time, but at LDI.

1625
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,800
There was a good one.
Yeah, I know I've heard too much

1626
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:56,120
about it.
It pisses me off.

1627
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,880
I was so mad when I wasn't there
cuz everybody was posting best

1628
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,120
LDI ever.
And she's like.

1629
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:06,400
Ah, you know, yeah, but, but
there was a control company and

1630
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,680
I don't know who it was, but
they had a big sign up on their

1631
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,120
booth AI.
You get rid of your lighting

1632
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,280
designer or something like that,
like, I don't think.

1633
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,400
It was that blatant.
But no, they did a they did a

1634
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,560
demo at the new Technology
Breakfast and they basically

1635
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,520
said you don't need a lighting
sign anymore, you just tell your

1636
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,760
AI.
And yeah, that was not well

1637
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,400
received.
It didn't.

1638
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,600
Go over.
Well, apparently they had a line

1639
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,360
up at their booth of people in
there protesting and stuff.

1640
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,480
But yeah, it's common, folks.
It is coming, right?

1641
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,280
I totally agree it's coming.
There's always gonna be a need

1642
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:46,280
for some knowledge and stuff,
but yeah, yeah, I mean the stuff

1643
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,560
that you're getting to need a
lot of money to do, that's

1644
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,080
redundant.
Imagine that going away and

1645
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,360
figure out, yeah, but then you
can do more projects, right?

1646
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,160
Cuz you're spending less time on
the tedious stuff that you don't

1647
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,160
wanna do anyway.
Exactly, exactly.

1648
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,680
That's where I look at.
That makes a lot of sense now.

1649
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:06,600
And the other thing is, like,
you know, God knows, someday

1650
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,160
we're going to have freaking
robots standing there.

1651
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,280
You know, the lighting director
is going to be something that

1652
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,760
looks like a human in a concert
T-shirt or whatever, but it

1653
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,800
ain't a human, You know, It's
common.

1654
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,080
I mean, it sounds crazy, but
it's all common.

1655
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,360
It's it's weird like that, you
know?

1656
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,920
Yeah.
Another thing, Speaking of

1657
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:30,240
consoles, I actually just this
morning I saw a thread on, I

1658
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,760
don't know, everything,
lighting, whatever the one of

1659
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,520
the groups on Facebook and poor
guy.

1660
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:43,120
I felt bad for him cuz he put
this post out as a question and

1661
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,080
sometimes our industry isn't
very.

1662
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,840
Friendly, I think I saw that
question.

1663
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,160
Yeah.
So about the fake console in a

1664
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:50,880
church.
Yeah, Yeah.

1665
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,880
What are your thoughts on that
one?

1666
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,520
Probably the same as mine, I'm
guessing in most people.

1667
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,560
'S yeah.
I think it's a really bad idea

1668
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:06,480
to buy any stolen IP.
And that's basically what you're

1669
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,400
doing.
You know, I went to Pro Light

1670
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:13,240
and Sound in Shanghai right
before the pandemic, and you can

1671
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,440
walk through, You can buy a
grandma console for 600 bucks,

1672
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,640
You can buy a Sharpie for 600
bucks you can buy.

1673
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,840
And it looks like, you know,
some of them look identical.

1674
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,080
Some of them look a little off,
You know, you can tell.

1675
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:31,720
But bottom line is it's stolen.
It's, you know, they're they're

1676
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:33,760
not building that from the
ground up.

1677
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,600
So what you're doing is you're
you're literally taking money

1678
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,560
out of people's pockets.
You know there was a company in

1679
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,800
England and I'm, I'm going to
forget their name.

1680
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:50,120
But they were very creative and
they they made this thing called

1681
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,080
the the Elody.
It looked like a little like a

1682
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:58,200
little flute almost silver thing
with LEDs on it.

1683
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:03,320
And it had touch sensors and you
could line them up and instead

1684
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:08,560
of programming them like like or
sorry, instead of typing in

1685
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,160
their DMX addresses, you put it
in address mode and you walk

1686
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:15,280
down the line, you touch them in
order and it would automatically

1687
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:16,920
address them in the order you
touch them.

1688
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,400
And it had sensors.
So if you flipped it over then

1689
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,640
it knew its orientation.
So if it's chasing this

1690
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,200
particular direction, if one was
upside down it would it would

1691
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:31,080
correct itself.
And they also made the, I wish I

1692
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:32,280
could remember the name of this
light.

1693
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,720
It's very, very popular.
About about 15 years ago you saw

1694
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,760
them everywhere.
They were throwback to the 9 to

1695
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,320
to the LE DS.
You know when LED started

1696
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,720
getting real popular, they came
out with an incandescent 9 light

1697
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,480
fixture on a stand and it was
super popular and.

1698
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,880
The BB3 or B5 or B1 or whatever
that company.

1699
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:59,080
The B something NO9B something.
Or, you know, as soon as the

1700
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,360
podcast is over, I'm gonna
remember the name of it.

1701
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,680
But anyway, the point, the point
there is that.

1702
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,240
Is usually the one that's
texting me right now going It's

1703
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,400
the B something, you idiot.
Yeah.

1704
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,400
Come on Eric, bring it.
Yeah.

1705
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,840
No, but the point is that they
went out of business because

1706
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:21,040
they got all of their that
fixture got copied so much that

1707
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,520
it took all the profit out of it
and they didn't survive.

1708
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,800
So what that means is that
there's now one less company

1709
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:31,440
that is creating really
inventive new products that were

1710
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:35,120
different than anybody else.
They're gone now and that's what

1711
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:40,640
happens when you when you buy
those, those, those counterfeit

1712
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,640
products.
Well, it's no different than

1713
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,280
than drugs, except drugs is an
evil business.

1714
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,080
But you know, when when we're
talking about pharmaceutical

1715
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,520
drugs, not, not the other kind
or both, you know, no.

1716
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,960
But the, the problem being if
you take away the incentive for

1717
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,760
drug companies to to make profit
and they've taken it to an

1718
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,120
extreme, obviously.
But you know, if you take away

1719
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,400
the incentive, then you're going
to lose the the innovation.

1720
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,600
And the same thing happens in
our industry.

1721
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,720
You know, every time someone
steals a design from Claypacki

1722
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,320
that sort of knocks them down a
rung on wanting to spend the

1723
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,120
kind of money they do on, you
know, coming up with new

1724
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,720
technology or coming up with
great ideas or whatever.

1725
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,800
And I hate to see it like and
I'm not going to mention who

1726
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,080
exactly the company is.
I'm sure you'll figure it out.

1727
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,480
But you know, one year at LDI,
Claypacki came out with this

1728
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:36,440
this fixture, I think it's
called, I don't remember, but

1729
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,880
it's a bunch of small square
fixtures and and they kind of do

1730
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,400
this thing, you know, they're,
they're all LE DS and they're in

1731
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,320
a in a line and they kind of do
this this wave thing, it's

1732
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,320
probably called the wave or
something.

1733
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:56,000
But you know within one trade
show like from LDI to whatever

1734
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:01,360
was after LDI, it was copied by
another company and it was

1735
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,400
brighter and it was cooler and
it it, you know, was probably

1736
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:10,600
cheaper and all of that stuff.
And you know for me, like again

1737
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:15,560
where's the incentive to spend
money on on R&D if that cycle

1738
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:20,360
where you get to get an ROI on
your R&D just goes away.

1739
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,160
You know it's it's sad.
So, but, but yeah, the whole

1740
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,200
fake console thing, like
honestly I learned about it

1741
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,600
because somebody put a fake
console on Gearsource and

1742
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,200
immediately we got contacted by
somebody saying, hey, that's a

1743
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:35,520
fake.
And I'm like what?

1744
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,360
He goes, yeah, that's a grand ma
two fake.

1745
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,520
And I said no, it can't be, it
looks exactly like an MA2

1746
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,040
console.
And he goes, yeah they do, but

1747
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,120
it's a fake.
And so we went to the seller and

1748
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,000
we said is this a fake?
And he goes, yeah, of course

1749
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,680
when you get it off of our site,
will you like, what are you

1750
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,440
doing?
And he goes, oh, I didn't know I

1751
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:57,480
couldn't sell it.
And I said, but you called it an

1752
01:36:57,480 --> 01:37:00,760
MA lighting MA two.
So even if we did accept fake

1753
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,520
consoles, you'd have to say it's
a fake console.

1754
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:04,560
But we.
Don't accept them.

1755
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:07,480
So you know, we actually put it
into our terms and conditions

1756
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:09,680
after that like no counterfeit
products.

1757
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,600
You know, if we find you selling
a counterfeit product, you're

1758
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,640
going to be responsible for
anything that that costs us.

1759
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,760
If we get sued, if you know we
have to ship it back to you,

1760
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,920
it's all on you and.
Yeah, I had dinner with Brad

1761
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:28,480
from AVO last week and he he, he
told me he could spot him across

1762
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:31,160
the room.
But they he was telling me that

1763
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,720
that they've even gotten some
fake consoles in for repair at

1764
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,800
the AVO shop and the repair
technicians didn't know that

1765
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,000
they were counterfeits.
And Brad walks in and goes,

1766
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,640
yeah, he's Brad goes that
console over there, that's a

1767
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:44,680
fake.
And they're like, what do you

1768
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:45,360
mean?
What are you talking?

1769
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,360
He's like, that's a fake, you
know?

1770
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,120
So yeah, what?
What was that?

1771
01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:53,160
Defining, I think he said the
color was slightly off or

1772
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:54,560
something like that.
I can't remember.

1773
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,240
Remember the track spot made in
Austin, TX, China?

1774
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:00,840
I do.
I I just covered that.

1775
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,240
Bellevue's initials on the
inside of it too.

1776
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,120
Like they actually copied his
little autograph inside it that

1777
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,240
he.
Used to do, yeah, yeah, So.

1778
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,600
And I wrote about it in my
automated lighting book.

1779
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:14,120
But that was I was actually, I
found that at a trade show in

1780
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,880
Beijing before, when everybody's
setting up, I was wandering

1781
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,880
around and there's one hall
that's all Chinese

1782
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,920
manufacturers.
And I and I walk down there and

1783
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,920
they're setting up their booth
and I saw something looked like

1784
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,280
a track spot sitting on the
floor.

1785
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,280
So I went and started looking at
it and I opened up the cover and

1786
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,280
it had all Richard's name in
there.

1787
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:35,360
And but the the the funniest
thing was they didn't know to

1788
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:39,360
replace USA, or they knew to
replace USA with China, but they

1789
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,160
didn't know to replace Austin,
TX.

1790
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,440
So it ended up saying Light wave
Research, Austin, TX, China.

1791
01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:47,440
On I know, I didn't realize you
were the one who found that.

1792
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:50,000
I just remember seeing the the
pictures of it and stuff.

1793
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:52,960
Yeah, that's so funny though.
That's such a role reversal.

1794
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,600
You going into their booth and
taking the cover off the light

1795
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,160
and taking pictures of it and
stuff, because that's what they

1796
01:38:58,160 --> 01:38:59,720
used to do.
Like we used to have to put

1797
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,960
security guys at booths to keep
those guys out.

1798
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:07,360
You know, you'd have all these
these people from other places

1799
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,360
coming with cameras, big huge
cameras and stuff, taking

1800
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,000
pictures of your fixtures and
wanting you to take covers off

1801
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,960
and stuff and it's like get.
Out and as soon as you kick them

1802
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,240
out then you get an order for
one fixture.

1803
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:19,000
Exactly.
Yeah.

1804
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,360
Well, and we used to always get
those orders all the time.

1805
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:24,400
Like, people would come to us
all the time and say, hey, can

1806
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,360
you get me one of these?
Whatever.

1807
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,720
And I'm like, no, no, we can't.
We can't get you one.

1808
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,120
Yeah, it's it's crazy.
But yeah, I mean, that's

1809
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,200
obviously still a thing.
And it's amazing to me that

1810
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,720
they're so blatant about it and
that nobody seems to do anything

1811
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:41,880
about it.
Like you would think, well, you

1812
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,240
could clamp down on that When
you're MA lighting, you're

1813
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:48,360
selling an $80,000 lighting
console that they're selling a

1814
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:52,240
counterfeit of like.
Yeah, well, I think it's a

1815
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,000
cultural thing.
I mean, it's just a different

1816
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:56,520
way of thinking.
It is.

1817
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,120
You're right.
Yeah, you're right.

1818
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:02,960
I mean, I remember one of my
first trips to Asia, I saw, I

1819
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,240
think it was in Hong Kong.
And you know, there was a, like

1820
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:10,000
a, a flea market almost, right.
And you had a table with Nike

1821
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,120
shoes that were real, that were
like $30 or whatever.

1822
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:17,520
And then you had a table of the
exact same shoes next to it that

1823
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,000
were like $7.00.
And I was like, what's going on?

1824
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,680
Are these Nike?
And he goes, yes, yes, yes,

1825
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,880
these are Nike.
And I said, so why are these

1826
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,360
more money?
Because those are Nike.

1827
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,320
And I said, but these are Nike
too.

1828
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:33,120
And he goes, but not the real
Nike, you know, with like a wink

1829
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,960
and stuff, right?
And I'm like, oh OK well give me

1830
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,320
4 pairs of the cheap ones, then
I'll take.

1831
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:38,720
Those.
Yeah.

1832
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,760
Same with DVDs.
You could get a a a movie.

1833
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:47,120
You know of any DVD of any movie
back then for for pennies, you

1834
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,640
know, Oh.
My God, terrible.

1835
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:52,040
Yeah, so I was.
I was one time with my ex-wife

1836
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,280
in Italy.
Do you know Kiara, who used to

1837
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:59,160
be with Komar?
Chiara was like Bruno's, you

1838
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:02,600
know, right hand basically she
Italian lady, really nice

1839
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:04,880
Italian lady that worked for
Bruno for many years.

1840
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,680
But we went out one night for
dinner with Chiara.

1841
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,640
And you know, there were these,
I think they were Albanians that

1842
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:18,440
would set up like a a blanket on
the ground in the high sort of

1843
01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:20,360
tourist areas, right?
And they'd they'd open up a

1844
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,880
blanket and they'd have a bunch
of fake stuff.

1845
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:28,320
And my ex-wife always wanted a
Prada wallet.

1846
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,840
And but, you know, when you look
in the shops, they're like $1500

1847
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:34,640
for a, you know, a little
wallet, right.

1848
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:38,840
And so she goes, oh, that's that
exact wallet that we were

1849
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,880
looking at in Milan.
And Kiara goes, yeah, it is, you

1850
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,000
should buy it.
And she goes, I can't spend

1851
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,520
$1500 on a wallet.
And she goes ask him the price.

1852
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,520
And it was like it was in Lira,
but I think it worked out to

1853
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:57,240
like 30 bucks And and Kiara
goes, Kiara had the same wallet

1854
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,800
in her bag, but she had the
actual Prada one.

1855
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,320
And she goes, Barbara look and
she's comparing.

1856
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:06,560
They're both looking at them.
Every single thing about them

1857
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:11,680
was identical, identical.
So she bought the wallet.

1858
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,960
I think she talked him down to
you know, 25 bucks or something,

1859
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,560
bought the wallet and she was so
happy.

1860
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,360
You know, with this fake Prada
wallet, again, it's still

1861
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:23,320
stealing.
Yeah, you know, and and it's

1862
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:26,160
still terrible.
I feel less bad about it knowing

1863
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:31,560
that Prada has like, you know,
98.5% profit margins or

1864
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,200
whatever, You know, right.
I mean, they're they're doing

1865
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,880
OK, you know, they're not
hurting.

1866
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:39,520
But at at the same time, it's
still stealing whether it's a an

1867
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,000
MA console or a Prada wallet.
So I guess I.

1868
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,840
Yeah, I remember when when the
what was that website where you

1869
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:49,760
could you could steal music,
download music for free.

1870
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,360
Something stir What the?
Hell, is that Napster?

1871
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:55,600
Napster.
Right.

1872
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:56,640
Napster.
Yeah.

1873
01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:02,120
And a lot of people said, well,
it doesn't cost a musician

1874
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:04,640
anything.
Well, no, but it's taking money

1875
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:07,040
out of their pocket.
You know, it's hard enough being

1876
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:11,120
a musician as it is, Yeah.
But to steal their intellectual

1877
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,360
property is.
Yeah, that's one thing I never,

1878
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:15,200
ever, ever did.
Not once.

1879
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,280
And part of the reason was,
again, my ex-wife worked in the

1880
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,920
record business and it was
absolutely taboo.

1881
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,080
Like if she heard me listening
to something that I didn't buy,

1882
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,200
you know, I was in big trouble.
And to this day, I mean, I I pay

1883
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,480
Apple Music.
You know, whatever it is, 15

1884
01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:31,680
bucks a month or something for
unlimited music.

1885
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:36,520
And you know, the artists are
still getting ripped off on

1886
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,120
streaming.
But at least I'm paying.

1887
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:39,480
You know?
It's legit.

1888
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,560
But I I won't steal.
The best we can, right?

1889
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,040
Yeah, I won't steal a song from
anybody, you know, I even feel

1890
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,520
bad going and listening to
somebody's new song on YouTube

1891
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,160
because, you know, chances are
they're not getting paid for

1892
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:52,640
that.
But right.

1893
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,280
Yeah, What are you gonna do?
You know, we can just try our

1894
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:57,800
best.
So have you got?

1895
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:58,040
Any.
Yeah.

1896
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,000
And not not by counterfeit,
sorry.

1897
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,000
Yeah.
Have you got any new books going

1898
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,760
on?
So I'm working, I'm working on

1899
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,800
the the 4th edition of
Electricity for the

1900
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,120
Entertainment Electrician and
Technician, and I so wish that

1901
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,960
I'd made the title shorter.
If I had, I known that it would

1902
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,520
be 4 editions.
I'd have called it Entertainment

1903
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:22,280
Electrics, you know, but it's so
that that should be.

1904
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,560
I just finished about 25% of it.
I'm supposed to turn in the rest

1905
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,640
of it by September.
Yeah?

1906
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:32,040
So early next year they'll be
another edition of Electricity

1907
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,120
for the Entertainment
Electrician and Technician.

1908
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,400
So if anybody has any
suggestions about what they'd

1909
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:40,480
like to see in it or what they
you know, any changes, now is a

1910
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:43,040
good time, let me know.
Well, have ChatGPT.

1911
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,520
Read your last book and say give
me some suggestions for things

1912
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,080
that I can put in the next.
It's a.

1913
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:49,480
Great idea.
There you go.

1914
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,880
You know, it's those are things
like, again, some people might

1915
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,680
say that's bullshit.
You know, that's cheating.

1916
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,960
If ChatGPT writes it, it's not
writing it.

1917
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,120
It's helping with research.
That's exactly right.

1918
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:02,280
It's a tool.
Yeah, you're gonna write it.

1919
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,800
It's just gonna help you with
research.

1920
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,400
It's gonna give you some ideas
of stuff to put in there and it

1921
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:10,280
might write some of the mundane
stuff that is just repeated or

1922
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,440
whatever.
But yeah, yeah, now that's cool.

1923
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,640
And you know, so again, I would
guess that these books you're

1924
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:20,520
writing, cuz not because you're
getting rich off selling books,

1925
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,120
because I don't think anyone
really does that, do they?

1926
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:28,040
I know not in our industry, I.
Don't know too many people who

1927
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:31,920
who make money on books or get
get any kind of an income off of

1928
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,400
books.
But so you're really just this

1929
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:38,760
is another authentic just
Richard trying to make a.

1930
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,040
Better.
Well, I mean, So what there, you

1931
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:46,320
know, Yeah, I I do.
I do like helping people and I

1932
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:51,480
think it does help people.
But if, if I'm 100% honest, that

1933
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:55,640
book sells my services as a
trainer, Yeah, of course when

1934
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,640
people read the book, they go,
oh, it'd be cool to go to one of

1935
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,080
his classes or they'll call me
up and go, can you come teach a

1936
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,560
class?
And that's really where I earn

1937
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,960
my salary.
You know, legitimize you.

1938
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:11,120
Being an author legitimizes you
as a speaker or a trainer or

1939
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:12,160
whatever.
Yeah, that makes.

1940
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:13,400
Sense, Absolutely.
Sense.

1941
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,360
That makes a lot of sense.
Like, I know a lot of public

1942
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:18,760
speakers who get paid.
You know, I don't know a lot,

1943
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,960
but I know a few public speakers
who get paid $100,000 to go

1944
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,520
speak at A at a convention or or
a corporate meeting or

1945
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,040
something.
And.

1946
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:28,960
Yeah, I charge slightly less
than that.

1947
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,640
Do you?
Oh, OK Well, I might have yet my

1948
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,160
next convention.
But, you know, the reason that

1949
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,480
they're able to get that is
because they wrote a relatively

1950
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:42,720
successful business book or book
on whatever that is, right.

1951
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:47,720
And you know, by the way, I have
a weird fetish for listening to

1952
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,640
to keynote speakers.
I love keynote speakers.

1953
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:55,400
I I always have.
And so one time I was an, here's

1954
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,400
a story for you.
One time I was at either LDI or

1955
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,120
Infocom.
It might have been Infocom in

1956
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:03,320
Vegas, and I was staying in the
horrible Westgate Hotel.

1957
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,600
So I was walking over from the
Westgate to it might have been

1958
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,960
the Hilton still at the time,
but I was walking over to the

1959
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,360
Convention Center and there's
that last ballroom there.

1960
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:17,400
And the door was sort of open.
So I could see that there was

1961
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,440
something going on in there.
And there was about to be a

1962
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:21,880
keynote.
And so I look at the door and it

1963
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,040
says like, you know, garage door
convention or something, right.

1964
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,880
And so I'm like, yeah, I'm a
garage door guy.

1965
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:30,720
So I just went walking in the
door.

1966
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:32,400
It was open.
So I went walking in and I

1967
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:36,880
grabbed a chair and sat down and
it was Do you know who Jeffrey

1968
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:40,960
Ma is?
Yeah, I think I do, actually.

1969
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,640
The movie 21 is about him.
Yeah, OK.

1970
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:48,680
He was like the card counter guy
that got thrown out of Vegas or

1971
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:50,640
right.
Him and his buddies from MIT

1972
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:54,280
became very, very proficient at
counting guards.

1973
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:59,760
And so Jeffrey Mon now has a
very successful business

1974
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:06,000
basically helping people with
helping, whether it's sports

1975
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,320
teams or businesses or whatever,
predicting the future based on

1976
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,600
numbers from the past and stuff.
Right.

1977
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:18,680
Wow.
Including the probability for in

1978
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:22,160
basketball.
For example, if you go to this

1979
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:26,040
player 1st and then to this
player, you know what is the

1980
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,640
probability of getting a
three-point shot versus going

1981
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,920
from this player to this player.
And they look back at all of the

1982
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,720
numbers that happened in the
past and they give you, you

1983
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:38,480
know, the different results from
a probability standpoint doesn't

1984
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,080
mean it's guaranteed, it just
means there's a better chance

1985
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:42,960
that this is going to work than
this is going to work.

1986
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,280
And, you know, so obviously in
gambling that's a big deal.

1987
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:51,960
And you know, although, like, he
talks a lot about the fact that

1988
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:54,760
that he doesn't like games of
chance like roulette.

1989
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:59,000
You know, because roulette, you
could roll, like if a lot of

1990
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:03,200
people will watch it go black
four times or five times in a

1991
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:08,160
row and they'll be like, OK, I'm
putting the house on red because

1992
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,520
chances are it's going red.
Actually, there's a 50% chance.

1993
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,000
That it's gonna go black again.
You know, it really is literally

1994
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,160
a It's completely up to chance.
There's no likelihood

1995
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:23,080
probability, nothing.
It's just 100% chance.

1996
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:27,120
And that's why he played
Blackjack, because in Blackjack

1997
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:31,520
you could actually, and he
played in very specific

1998
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,640
situations like single deck or
whatever.

1999
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:39,560
I can't remember exactly, but
you know you knew and and they

2000
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,680
had a number.
You know it's all a weighted

2001
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:46,040
number on, you know now it's a 7
or whatever and they knew how

2002
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,400
much to bet based on what the
next card was likely to be in

2003
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:51,440
all of those different things
and they just couldn't lose.

2004
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:55,920
They literally couldn't lose.
But anyways, he as a speaker was

2005
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,240
unreal.
It was so entertaining and I

2006
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,840
missed my first couple of
meetings because I sat in there

2007
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,000
for an hour and a half and
watched this guy speak.

2008
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,920
That's great.
I'm just addicted to public

2009
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:09,200
speakers I love.
You know my my favorite speaker

2010
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,680
of all time is Tom Peters.
Now he's retired.

2011
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:17,160
But several years ago, this was
when I'd I'd been laid off from

2012
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,880
high end and I'd been laid off
from Martin and I was kind of

2013
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:24,080
trying to figure things out and
he came to town and I went to to

2014
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:28,080
see him and he was stalking the
stage and he was you know

2015
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:31,760
spittle was coming out of his
mouth as he was talking and and

2016
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:36,520
it's just fascinating and and
brilliant, brilliant guy.

2017
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,440
I wish he was still active, but
he's, I guess he's.

2018
01:50:39,480 --> 01:50:40,960
There's so many really good
ones, though.

2019
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,080
There's like so many great ones
out there.

2020
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:46,480
You know, one of the guys, I'm
actually going as much as I can,

2021
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:49,560
but I'm going to his, the
virtual side of it.

2022
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:52,480
But a lot of people think he's a
complete douche.

2023
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,040
But every once in a while he
says some pretty smart things.

2024
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,960
Grant Cardone.
Grant Cardone is the guy.

2025
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,120
So he's a big real estate
entrepreneur.

2026
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,760
But he went from nothing to
something.

2027
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:08,720
You know he he was a drug addict
broke starving and went and

2028
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:12,040
started selling cars and and
just said how can I sell more

2029
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:15,400
cars than the next guy How can I
go 10X on the income that I'm

2030
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,280
making selling cars.
And he started this whole 10X

2031
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:24,440
thing and and now he's basically
a billionaire and and so he he's

2032
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:28,080
he got fairly famous because he
did that show.

2033
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,360
Something about a I forget what
it was called but something

2034
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:35,440
about a billionaire or something
or other basically take a a

2035
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,360
guy's money away.
He couldn't use his name.

2036
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:41,120
He couldn't use his money.
He couldn't use any of his his

2037
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,200
stuff and he had to be dropped
into a town and create a

2038
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,360
business worth.
I think it was $5,000,000 within

2039
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:53,320
60 days or 90 days or something
with zero money, no name nobody

2040
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,880
could know who he was.
You know nothing like that.

2041
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:59,480
He just had to create a business
from nothing and he did it.

2042
01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:03,200
He made a business that was
worth 6 or 7 million within that

2043
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:03,960
time.
Incredible.

2044
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:07,320
But anyways, he's doing a, he's
doing a three day thing next

2045
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:11,200
week and I I got a free virtual
invite thing to it.

2046
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,280
So I'm gonna pop into it a few
times.

2047
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,800
But he's really good.
I mean, there's a bunch of them.

2048
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,280
I still like Tony Robbins.
I was listening to Tony Robbins

2049
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,960
when I was, I don't know, 1819
years old.

2050
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:27,080
Like, I was one of his earliest
fans, probably, and he's gotten

2051
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,800
a bit corny today, but he still
has some really smart stuff

2052
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,160
every once in a while, You know,
I've gotten to a point where I

2053
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,920
just, I grab Nuggets.
Like, I don't listen to

2054
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,120
everything that anyone says.
I kind of.

2055
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:39,000
Grab Nuggets and then go on.
To the next guy.

2056
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:41,880
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cool.

2057
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,680
That's cool.
What else did I want to ask you

2058
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:45,880
about?
There was something else here

2059
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,000
that I missed.
Your books.

2060
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,280
We talked about your books.
What are the books you have

2061
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:52,400
today?
Just list them.

2062
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,840
Just.
And are they all on Amazon too?

2063
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,160
Yeah.
So electricity for

2064
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,400
entertainment, electricians and
technicians, automated lighting,

2065
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:04,400
the art and science of moving
and color changing lights.

2066
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:09,280
There was or is that is that it
needs to be updated.

2067
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:14,120
My publisher wanted me to update
it a couple years ago and I put

2068
01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:20,160
it off just because there's it.
It's so hard to keep up with

2069
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,960
that technology right now.
You know, I kind of want to let

2070
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,640
the dust settle a bit before I
tackle it again because it's a

2071
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,560
big project.
The last time I updated it, you

2072
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:31,680
know, I told my, my, I I can
see.

2073
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,840
What year was this, 2000.
I can't remember now.

2074
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:39,160
But the last time I updated it,
my, I, my publisher said, you

2075
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:40,240
know, how long it's going to
take you.

2076
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:41,360
I said, oh, it'll take me a
year.

2077
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:45,840
Well, it took me 3 because
everything changed everything.

2078
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:50,200
I mean, you know, LEDs were huge
and power supplies have changed.

2079
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,360
The optics have changed because
of LEDs.

2080
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,840
Of course the the light source
has changed.

2081
01:53:55,880 --> 01:54:00,360
There's so much going on in that
area, you know that's that's now

2082
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,480
that book.
I might just tell ChatGPT.

2083
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,160
Just rewrite this book for me,
you know?

2084
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,120
No, it's it's.
I was actually going to say it.

2085
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:09,000
It sounds like another perfect
use case.

2086
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,720
I mean, you could create
probably.

2087
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:16,040
Well, there's writing there's
writing GPTS, custom writing

2088
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,040
GPTS.
But I'm sure there's probably

2089
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:23,400
like book updating GPTS too.
You know things.

2090
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:24,760
That that's what I need to
update a.

2091
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:26,640
Book.
Yeah, you should look for that

2092
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,320
because that's, that sounds like
a really good use case for that.

2093
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,040
Yeah.
So what else is there?

2094
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,320
What other There's focus on
lighting technology now.

2095
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:37,640
If that's an old book, I haven't
updated it in quite a while.

2096
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:41,320
Yeah.
And then there's also lighting

2097
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:45,120
for modern houses of worship,
which again, I have not updated

2098
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:48,880
in a long, long time that that
book was based on my experience.

2099
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:54,200
When I left Martin, I started
freelancing as a lighting

2100
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:56,080
designer.
I got a lot of and I hooked up

2101
01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:00,240
with this company that was based
in Nashville called Mass Max

2102
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:04,280
Productions, and they were doing
a lot of church projects.

2103
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:08,520
So, So yeah.
And what I quickly realized what

2104
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:11,440
we did, these, you know, mega
churches lit these mega churches

2105
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:13,280
and there were audio guys.
So they.

2106
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,920
So I did all the lighting and
what I quickly realized is that

2107
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:22,080
that's a great way to learn
lighting because in a church

2108
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,080
environment, it's basically a
combination of theatrical

2109
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:27,280
lighting because you have live
people on stage and in a live

2110
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:30,840
audience.
It's also, it's also television

2111
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,120
lighting because a lot of them
have television ministries, so

2112
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:36,440
they have cameras everywhere and
they're shooting video.

2113
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:39,920
And it's also kind of like
concert lighting because they

2114
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:44,520
have a band on stage too.
So it's it's a great way to

2115
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:48,600
learn lighting in general.
And so I wrote a book about how

2116
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:52,040
to light for churches and and
it's and really if you take out

2117
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:57,640
the references to churches, it's
just a how do you light a stage?

2118
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:00,160
How do you light a band, how do
you light for television.

2119
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:02,080
You know it's all the same
thing.

2120
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:06,560
So that that book is what I
should do is take the ChatGPT

2121
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,080
and get it to take out the
church references and just make

2122
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,840
it a lighting book.
Well, and again, I mean, what

2123
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,680
has changed?
You know, I'm sure some things

2124
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:17,040
have changed that make it a heck
of a lot easier or different or,

2125
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:18,960
you know, whatever.
You know, like it.

2126
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,880
Well, what the the physics
hasn't changed.

2127
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:25,520
So you know, 3 point lighting is
still very valid with the

2128
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:28,120
mechanless method and that's
basically what that book was

2129
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:29,360
about.
Interesting.

2130
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:30,640
Yeah.
You know, it's funny.

2131
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:34,040
I, you know, Fausto or Saudi
again, another old Komar guy.

2132
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,960
But Fausto and I are very close
friends.

2133
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:38,440
I talked to him.
Constantly.

2134
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:40,360
Great guy.
He's just a guy that I've always

2135
01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:43,560
really appreciated, very smart
guy.

2136
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:47,760
But he just went to Pro Light
and and after Pro Light kind of

2137
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:53,200
gave me his, his, you know,
download or whatever on on Pro

2138
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:55,000
Light.
And he just, you know, he thinks

2139
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:58,080
that we're in a bit of a boring
moment in our industry.

2140
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:02,760
Like you know, they're small
incremental advancements at this

2141
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:05,560
moment.
Whereas, you know, I think I'm

2142
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:08,760
still blown away by how much
better everything is than it was

2143
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:10,960
when you and I were selling
moving lights for a living.

2144
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:11,440
You.
Know.

2145
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,720
Me too.
Anything.

2146
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,160
Every brand.
I don't care whether it's the

2147
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:20,440
cheapest offshore brand or the
most expensive US made stuff or

2148
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,680
whatever, if there is any US
made stuff anymore.

2149
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:26,200
But you know, it's all so damn
good.

2150
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,240
It's all really.
It's so reliable.

2151
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,800
It's it's packed with features.
It's affordable.

2152
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,800
It's bright.
The color rendering is

2153
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,820
spectacular.
Yeah, it's it's just mind

2154
01:57:37,820 --> 01:57:41,040
blowing.
It really is so impressive.

2155
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,520
And you know, they're just
jamming so many things.

2156
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,160
Like, you know, I've said this
before and I'll say it again,

2157
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:50,040
but I I went to the Ayrton
headquarters in Paris a couple

2158
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:54,560
years ago and one of their
engineers opened a light for me,

2159
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,520
and I can't even remember which
light it was.

2160
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:57,840
But I'm sure they're all very
similar.

2161
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:01,080
I couldn't believe how much
stuff was packed into it.

2162
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:05,200
Like all it was just unreal
because obviously with LED

2163
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:08,080
there's less heat so you can put
things closer together.

2164
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:14,360
And I was just blown away.
I was like, my God and.

2165
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:18,160
Yeah, and you wouldn't be able
to do that without computers

2166
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:22,080
without rapid prototyping.
Yeah, those are tools, just like

2167
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:24,280
AI is.
Yeah, and AI is gonna take us to

2168
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:27,920
the next level, of course.
I mean, not to change your

2169
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:29,800
subject here, but no, it's all
good.

2170
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:32,000
It all kind of ties together.
Right, it does, yeah.

2171
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,800
I think AI to me, there's a
couple of things.

2172
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:39,280
And I want your prediction on
the sort of future of automated

2173
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:43,880
lighting, but for me, I think
battery technology is going to

2174
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,440
be big.
I think that's going to be a big

2175
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,280
part of it, wireless and battery
technology going together.

2176
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:52,240
So I think we're going to see a
lot less cabling in the future

2177
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:57,480
and a lot more you know either
battery or or battery batteries

2178
01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:00,360
built into the trussing and then
you just, you know clip it to

2179
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:03,760
the trussing and it it gets its
power there or whatever.

2180
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:06,960
But so I think that's going to
be a big one and and just

2181
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:11,080
wireless technology continuing
to to improve and become much

2182
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:12,680
more utilized than it is US
today.

2183
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:14,960
Those to me are going to be a
couple of the big changes that

2184
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:18,000
we'll see in the future because
it it doesn't make sense to have

2185
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,040
to run the amount of
infrastructure that we have

2186
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,960
still at this point you.
Know.

2187
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:23,680
Yeah, I totally agree.
Yeah.

2188
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,960
And you know what?
I think one of the next steps is

2189
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:29,000
going to be to take out the to
change the power supply.

2190
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:36,920
Because right now what we do is
we generate power we we generate

2191
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:42,040
alternating current AC, we send
it to these fixtures that have a

2192
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:44,600
power supply that change it to
low voltage DC.

2193
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:49,360
So if you have a battery then
you need to convert it to AC and

2194
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,200
then the fixture turns it back
into DC.

2195
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,680
So we can skip that middle step
because every time you convert

2196
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:55,480
it you lose a you lose some
energy.

2197
01:59:56,200 --> 02:00:01,880
So, so I think it won't be long
before we have go back to DC

2198
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:04,960
systems.
So now instead of having a light

2199
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:08,320
with a power supply in it, it'll
have an inverter in it.

2200
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:12,600
Not, sorry, not an inverter.
It'll have, yeah, it'll just

2201
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,280
take DC right into it.
So if your battery bank is is

2202
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,640
not in the light, that's going
to make your light smaller and

2203
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:22,400
lighter without a power supply.
And if there's no transformer in

2204
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:25,320
it, you just plug it into DC and
it goes.

2205
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:27,440
Now people say, well, wait a
minute, you can't do that

2206
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:34,040
because you know, the DC is low
voltage and you'll have too much

2207
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,760
voltage drop.
Well The thing is we we have

2208
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,440
inverters that can raise the
voltage.

2209
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:45,320
So we can easily in in a very
small package we can take 48

2210
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:48,760
volts DC, we can make it 48,000
volts DC.

2211
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:51,960
That reduces the current, makes
the wires much smaller.

2212
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:54,480
You can send it a long way.
Then you have another inverter

2213
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:58,000
that drops it back down to 48
volts DC and you plug your light

2214
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:02,480
into it.
So it's the technology is there

2215
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,840
today.
It's just going to take somebody

2216
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:08,480
to somebody who has the
initiative, and I do know some

2217
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,480
people who are working along
those lines.

2218
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:14,080
So I think it's gonna happen at
some point that we go to DC back

2219
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:15,480
to DC.
You know what's funny?

2220
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:19,080
I remember last time I had you
on the podcast, I asked you a

2221
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:22,680
prediction and you probably
don't remember what it was, but

2222
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:23,560
I do.
I don't.

2223
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:26,000
I can't believe I remember what
it was but it was one of the

2224
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:29,240
greatest answers I ever had to
that question because I don't

2225
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,320
ask it often.
But when I get smart guys like

2226
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:34,920
you on, I'll I'll ask because I
I'm genuinely interested to be

2227
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,320
honest.
I I want to know where people

2228
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:41,200
see things going.
But I said I asked you what,

2229
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:43,960
what's one of the things that
hasn't been invented that you'd

2230
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:48,200
like to see invented?
And you said bending light.

2231
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:51,520
You know, you said bending
light.

2232
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:54,920
And I went what?
And you explained to me, you

2233
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:58,240
know, what that meant.
And I was like, wow, you know,

2234
02:01:58,240 --> 02:01:59,480
somebody figured that out.
Would you?

2235
02:01:59,960 --> 02:02:03,200
And it was just such a wild
answer.

2236
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:07,280
Bending light, you know?
But yeah, yeah.

2237
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:14,560
Well, you know, sometimes, like
I understand where Fausto is

2238
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:19,200
coming from, because if you look
at the effects that lights

2239
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,800
produce, that hasn't changed a
whole lot.

2240
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,520
So sometimes you have to really
try to think out outside of the

2241
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:26,280
box.
You know, yeah.

2242
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:31,640
So yeah, no.
And yeah, I mean, for him, you

2243
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,360
know, I don't know if he's just
bored of it or or if he really

2244
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:36,600
does think, because I don't
think, I don't think we're in a

2245
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:39,800
boring spot at all.
Like I do think we're running

2246
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:43,640
out of ways to to change you
know the standard moving light

2247
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:46,760
or whatever you want to call it.
You know Brighter LE DS.

2248
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:50,720
I like that we're going to
miniaturization on a lot of

2249
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:54,320
these lights right now like a
you know the Mac one is is one

2250
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:56,560
of my personal favorites.
I think it's a killer little

2251
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,600
product and and the packaging
you know with the four bar and

2252
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:03,840
stuff, I don't know if you saw
Ayrton and I cannot remember for

2253
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,120
the life of me what it's called
but they just showed something

2254
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:10,920
at at Pro Light that is like
their old Magic dot.

2255
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:14,360
I think it's that, that basic
body, It's like that little tiny

2256
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:17,800
round ball fixture, but it's got
a laser source in it.

2257
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:23,360
And you know, like, so some
people would say, oh great,

2258
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:25,920
another Sharpie, you know, with
a laser in it, who cares?

2259
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:29,520
But to me, it's the form factor,
it's the size, It's the fact

2260
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:33,520
that this thing's this tiny and
now you can get this extremely

2261
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:36,960
bright beam coming out of very
small places, you know, out of a

2262
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:40,360
very small fixture.
That's really quick too, you

2263
02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:42,240
know, that's interesting, but
so.

2264
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:45,360
Yeah, when?
When I wrote automated lighting,

2265
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:52,720
the art and science, I started
tracking the the, the, the size,

2266
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:58,840
the intensity and something else
of moving lights over decades.

2267
02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:03,880
And you can see, yeah, you can
see, you know how lights are

2268
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:07,880
getting smaller, brighter.
I guess expense would be the

2269
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:12,280
other thing, cheaper for the
amount of light output, and I

2270
02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:13,800
always thought that's going to
level off.

2271
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:16,040
It's got to level off at some
point and I think it did for a

2272
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:17,840
while.
It started plateauing out around

2273
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,400
2000.
But it takes off again.

2274
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:22,240
Yeah.
Yeah.

2275
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:23,960
It's taken off again.
Yeah, you're right.

2276
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:27,240
Yeah, I mean, it's cool.
Like, well, I've been seeing

2277
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:30,440
people doing this whole like,
what is it lumens per oz or

2278
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:34,360
something like that or, yeah,
you know, as opposed to lumens

2279
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:37,680
per Watt, they're now doing
lumens per oz or lumens per

2280
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:40,040
pound or whatever.
Like, that's cool.

2281
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:42,000
I like that.
I think that's a cool idea

2282
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,800
because we were getting too big
and fat and heavy for a little

2283
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:46,240
while there.
Exactly.

2284
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:50,800
You know when moving lights are
150 lbs and and one Rd. case is

2285
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:53,520
as big as a Volkswagen?
Like it just doesn't make sense.

2286
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:55,360
You know, it's just getting
silly, right?

2287
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:57,720
Yeah.
So one more question.

2288
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:02,600
I, you know, I've started this
new sort of go to gear thing

2289
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,160
where on the site we're going
to, we're going to start

2290
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,120
promoting, you know so and so
says these are his three

2291
02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:09,760
favorite pieces of gear or
whatever.

2292
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:13,080
So what are what are like 3
three things that you love that.

2293
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:16,880
Oh man, if you're designing a
show, you know you got to have

2294
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:18,480
these three things.
You're going to, you're going to

2295
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:21,240
put me on the spot.
Well I'll tell you this, I

2296
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:26,560
Speaking of ChatGPT I I asked it
the other day what was the most

2297
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:30,640
popular moving light fixture.
You know stage light, automated

2298
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:34,440
light fixture.
And the the number one answer

2299
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:38,120
was a Mac aura.
And I gotta admit, man, you

2300
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:40,880
know, I use those a lot and I
like them.

2301
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:43,880
It is a great it.
Is a great light, yeah.

2302
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:45,760
I'm surprised though.
I would have thought that it'd

2303
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:49,160
say like a Mega point or
something like a Roby mega point

2304
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:53,000
or a you know?
Well, I don't know.

2305
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:55,560
Specs and stuff, you know, like
those are the things that I

2306
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:58,800
always get people looking for.
Yeah, I can't vouch for how

2307
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:00,880
accurate it is.
Yeah, I just thought it would be

2308
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:03,640
interesting to ask.
It is an interesting question.

2309
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:05,720
I've never thought of asking it.
That kind of stuff.

2310
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:07,720
That's a good idea.
Yeah, yeah.

2311
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:13,920
What else?
So I think wow, this is this is

2312
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:17,600
tough.
What kind of console are you on

2313
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:24,320
normally?
You know, I I used to be a a hog

2314
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:29,080
guy but but lately I've been
using more of a grandma console.

2315
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:33,040
So although I have to say I
really like the new and I

2316
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,920
haven't used one on the show,
the ETC Apex looks really

2317
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:43,520
interesting so I'd like to get
get my hands on that one then

2318
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:45,600
you know.
But you know a lot of times

2319
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:47,960
these days I'm working as a
master electrician.

2320
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:53,080
So you know a lot of my my
favorite stuff now is is I I pay

2321
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:57,680
less attention to the lights
than to the the tools you know

2322
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:00,120
the the the meters and stuff
like that.

2323
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:01,840
But.
But if I had to pick one more,

2324
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:06,200
let me think about this.
It would probably be.

2325
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:11,920
This, these three or this
question is going into our, you

2326
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:14,440
know when we book people it's
going into the booking form.

2327
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:16,880
Yeah, I think it's already in
there starting like this.

2328
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:19,560
Week or something, so good idea.
You missed it by a week or two,

2329
02:07:19,560 --> 02:07:21,880
but yeah, yeah, we're.
Asking some new questions.

2330
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:31,200
Yeah, so I think I've in terms
of just the effect and having

2331
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:36,120
fun playing with programming.
I really like the Madricks, cuz

2332
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:40,720
if it's 3D pixel mapping stuff,
yeah so you know you can do that

2333
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:44,960
with almost any pixel matrix,
right?

2334
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:48,760
So, but, but I would say the
Madricks cool.

2335
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,200
Nice.
Awesome.

2336
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,640
Well, did I miss anything?
Are you promoting anything that

2337
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:55,480
we haven't already talked about
or?

2338
02:07:57,240 --> 02:08:02,120
You know, I have, I have classes
coming up in Dallas in April and

2339
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:06,760
in Baltimore in August, so.
How do people book those?

2340
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:15,600
On my website www.aptxl.com.
You have so many websites.

2341
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,800
I have too many.
You're right, I need to get

2342
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:21,400
through.
I looked at the Archad dot me

2343
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:23,040
one and it really needs
updating.

2344
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:26,040
See, you need clones, you need a
bunch of people.

2345
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:30,360
Yeah, you know, I I have a
friend who's like a solopreneur

2346
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:35,680
similar to you, and he said that
he's now got employees, but he

2347
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:38,440
said that his best employee is
ChatGPT.

2348
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:42,480
He said he has figured out the
prompting so much to this point

2349
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:47,320
now where you know he's talking
to that thing 3 hours a day and

2350
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:49,600
it's giving him 10 hours worth
of work every day like.

2351
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:51,320
It's just.
Insane the amount of stuff that

2352
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,520
it's doing for him, but.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2353
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:56,000
We're scratching the surface,
right?

2354
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,960
I'm I'm just, I've just been
dabbling.

2355
02:08:58,240 --> 02:09:03,000
We've only just begun, exactly.
And there goes, there goes my

2356
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:04,520
simming career.
It's over.

2357
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:07,960
Well, Rich I.
Appreciate you that wasn't bad.

2358
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:12,200
Yeah, I appreciate you and I'm
so happy you made the time to

2359
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:14,160
come and do this.
I always enjoy talking to you.

2360
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:16,640
We don't do it often enough.
My pleasure.

2361
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:18,520
It's been fun.
Yeah, cool.

2362
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:20,120
All right, my friend.
See you later.

2363
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:21,440
All right.
Be well.

2364
02:09:21,560 --> 02:09:21,760
Bye.
Bye.

2365
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:25,040
You too.
The.