#231 - Mickey Curbishley

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Hello there and thank you for
joining me today on Geezers of

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Gear Episode #231 Geeezers of
Gear Episode 231.

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Today's guest is Mickey
Kurbishly.

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And so this is the first time
ever we're trying this go live

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thing.
So we're promoting our sponsors

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live and also recording it for
the podcast at the same time.

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Sarah convinced me I needed to
do this and so here I am.

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I'm doing it and so welcome.
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Hello again.
This whole live thing is weird.

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It's a little stressful.
I've never done it before.

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Well, I've done live before, but
I've never done this one before

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and so it just feels a little
bit weird.

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And so hello, welcome.
Thank you for checking this out

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live on Facebook.
Where did I do this?

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Facebook.
LinkedIn.

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YouTube.
I think that's it.

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And knowing you guys, probably
nobody is watching, or

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everyone's watching because
you're waiting for me to fall on

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myself.
By the way, I did want to make

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an honorable mention to the
gentleman who recorded that

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wonderful track that is our
intro and outro, Greg Gotovitz.

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The song is God, oh sweet thing
was a big hit back in, don't

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know, probably the early 80s, I
would guess.

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And it's Greg's birthday today,
so happy birthday, Greg.

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And we also are getting Greg
back on the podcast.

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We had him on very, very early
on in the early days of Geysers

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of gear and we're going to have
him on again soon.

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Sarah's working with him on
figuring out those dates right

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now.
So just a couple things to talk

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to you about before I stop the
live recording and then go into

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or I should say the live
broadcast and then I go into

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recording mode where we will
continue to record today's guest

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who's Mickey Kurbishly and I'll
tell you more about him in a

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minute.
But first, the Pro Light show

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that's going on right now in
Frankfurt, Germany.

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If you're there and watching
this, why you should be drinking

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beer or doing something fun
right now as opposed to watching

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this live.
But if you are there, I'm

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jealous.
It's a great show.

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I've been to it many, many
times.

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It's a huge show.
It's not as big as it used to

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because I don't think it's
combined with Messa anymore, but

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I've been seeing videos and
pictures and it looks massive.

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The big booths are really big
this year.

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Roby's really big.
Some of them are are massive.

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Other ones, they're surprisingly
small.

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From what I've seen, Martin
looks Pretty Little and and

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that's surprising considering
what they've got going on.

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Speaking of Martin, you know
they did just launch a product

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that I happen to love which is
called Mac One, you know little

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mini wash light that I think
they're probably selling

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bazillions of right now.
And but obviously they're big

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news for this show and you've
probably seen this 1000 times

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already is Martin has officially
launched the new Viper LED which

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is not called Viper LED, it's
called Viper XIP.

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And I'm going to have to have
somebody on from Martin at some

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point to explain why they've
gone to IP 54 instead of IP65

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with, which is what the rest of
the world has decided you need

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for a weatherproof light.
Martin, it's, you know, some

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magical trickery that they've
got this thing that they're

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calling IP rated, but it's IP
54, and I'd love to have

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somebody on.
So if anybody from Martin hears

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this, don't be angry with me.
I'm just questioning why, as a

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buyer of that product, should I
believe that it's OK to put it

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on on an outdoor installation,
which is basically what your

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literature says, that the Aura
and any of the other XIP

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products, if there are any.
But again, I hear this Viper is

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beautiful.
I've seen the video, it looks

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amazing, it's got some great
features, it looks bright and it

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looks like a worthy replacement
to a light that's still super

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popular.
Like I just saw.

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I forget which big tour I saw, I
just put up some images the

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other day.
That was hundreds of Vipers on

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the show, but we sell them all
the time on Gearsource too.

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Vipers are still a really,
really hot light.

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So Congrats to Martin on first
of all the Mac one, which I

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think is a massive winner and
now also the the Viper, the

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Viper XIP, which should also do
extremely well.

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So congratulations.
Good on you Martin.

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In some other big news.
So on product news, again I've

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seen a lot of the elation stuff
popping out.

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I don't know what the names of
any of it are unfortunately,

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sadly.
I'm sorry guys.

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Even though they're a sponsor,
they haven't given me any

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advance notice on this stuff.
So Sarah, you need to talk to

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these people about advance
notice on some of their new

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products so we can talk it up a
little bit.

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But I have seen their follow
spot fixture, which is a really

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interesting move for a company
that doesn't really make a

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follow spot system to come out
with a really bright, really

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awesome and probably priced
extremely well, purpose made

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follow spot fixture, so awesome
move.

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I think it's a smart move.
I think it'll be great.

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I saw and again I forget what
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I'm sorry, but I think it's
called pulse.

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It's a rectangular strobe
fixture like they've had in the

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past and others have had as
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But it's got pan and tilt and a
lot of really cool features.

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Just looks like an amazing
product.

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I'm sure they'll do incredibly
well with it, and I know there's

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other stuff too.
But again, I didn't really get

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advance notice so I'm just going
on posts that I'm seeing on

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social media and stuff.
So good job by Elation Roby.

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I'm sure they have a lot of new
products.

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I've seen a couple of them
posted on social media again,

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but I don't have much
information on those.

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But they also announced in a
press release that they have

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acquired Australian control
company LSC and I'm still

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figuring that one out, that
artistic license.

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I'm also figuring out, I mean
the the Ava light steel made

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sense to me that one.
I understand, you know, when

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you're competing against some
massive global distributors who

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who are selling both console and
light or some manufacturers as

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well, companies like Elation
with the Obsidian line, you

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know, it seems to make some
sense also.

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I think it's sort of like peanut
butter and chocolate, like Roby

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has amazing manufacturing.
Avo has really cool product but

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probably needs some improved
manufacturing capabilities and

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and also size, you know, just
resources.

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So to me that deal looks like
peanut butter chocolate.

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It looks like it could be a huge
winner.

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I don't know about this LSC
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I didn't know about the the
artistic license deal.

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They're obviously going in a
direction.

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I'm just not sure what that is
yet.

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It looks to me like maybe
installations like Roby's

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pushing hard to get into more
massive installations and if so,

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great, you know, that's a
beautiful world.

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And then you know, for me, the
biggest news that I've heard out

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of this show and and I did know
about it a little bit before the

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show, but actually a few days
before the show.

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But a really nice company that
was built by Glenn O'Donoghue

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and and his partners and and
staff and everything else

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Ambersphere in the UKA company
that I've been fond of for a

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number of years.
They were the Clay Paki

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distributor for a long time.
They're now the Airton

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distributor.
They are the MA Lighting

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distributor and a lot of other
lines as well.

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Glenn is a great guy.
Glenn's a smart guy, been around

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the industry in the UK for a
long time and I couldn't be

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happier for him in announcing
that he has been acquired by

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some other very close friends of
mine and also a sponsor of our

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podcast ACT Entertainment.
So ACT from North America.

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If you've been sleeping and you
haven't heard the news yet, ACT

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From North America has acquired
Ambersphere in the UK and that's

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important for a lot of reasons.
You know #1, there's a lot of

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similarities.
There's a lot of, you know,

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stuff that makes sense in that
deal.

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The fact that now they're
collectively probably five times

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bigger than the next largest MA
lighting or airton dealer or

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distributors, I think.
And I haven't talked to Ben

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about this and Sarah is reaching
out to Ben to get him on the

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podcast next week so we can
discuss it.

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But to me it looks like a move
into Europe, not just the UK And

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so we'll see, we'll see what the
world domination plans from ACT

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are on on making that move.
I think it's a fantastic move.

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I was really excited when I
heard about it and it's a winner

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and two great companies with a
lot of similarities and good on

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you.
So congratulations to ACT and

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congratulations to Amber Sphere
and especially Glenn who is now

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retiring and he's announced that
on LinkedIn.

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So you know, we know from KISS
that nobody ever UN retires and

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so good on you Glenn.
Congratulations and good luck

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with whatever it is you choose
to do next.

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Hopefully it's not just
gardening and cooking.

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Hopefully you do something
exciting that's related to our

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industry as well.
And so other news, Geezer's new

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website is launching tomorrow
and it's nothing spectacular,

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it's just a very basic website.
But if you've gone to

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geezersofgear.com in the past
month or so, since we moved our

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hosting over to Spotify, we
haven't had a website.

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So, you know, not a lot of
complaints because I don't think

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a lot of people used our
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But it's a great place for
guests to find us, for potential

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sponsors to find us, or for
people who don't like using any

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of the podcast platforms.
You can just go directly to our

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site, You can pick the one that
you want to listen to, click on

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it and boom, it starts playing.
It's very simple.

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So that will be launched
tomorrow.

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Again, it's geezes ofgear.com of
course, and big thanks to Sarah

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and her spouse who actually
helped us get that site up so it

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didn't cost us a huge amount of
money.

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They were very helpful and got
that launched in a fairly short

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period of time.
So we now have a website popping

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up tomorrow.
What else?

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Another thing that our lovely
and talented producer is working

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on is a monthly newsletter.
And so I'm not sure what that's

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going to be called yet.
I'm not sure what exactly it's

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going to look like.
It's totally a project and

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product of Sarah.
And so that's that's going to be

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fun.
It's another way to promote our

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guests, another way to bring on
guests, another way to promote

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our sponsors.
And you know that's that and

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telling stories is what this is
all about.

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And so I look forward to that.
That's exciting, and just a lot

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of more exciting things are
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that's about it for that.
So today's guest, as I said,

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Mickey kerbishly.
We're very happy to have Mickey

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back on the podcast.
Last time we had him on was in

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September of 2019 before shit
hit the fan before the world

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went crazy.
And you know you can listen to

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that episode, which was I
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And you can hear his incredible
story, his incredible

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background, how he got into the
industry by selling T-shirts on

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tour with ACDC and his first, he
did his first lighting tour with

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Elton John.
By the way, I haven't mentioned

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yet, but growing up with a
legendary father who was was

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tour manager and manager and all
kinds of things, producer and

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but working with artists like
The Who and Robert Plant, Jimmy

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Page, so many just an incredible
family really.

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That name, the curvishly name
is, is synonymous with the

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concert business.
But five years later we're going

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to hear everything Mickey's been
up to.

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He's now the president of solo
tech with some incredible

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stories to tell from from that
journey as well.

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And one of the things that's
really important both to Mickey

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and to solo tech and to myself
as well with my sort of circular

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economy company at Gearsource is
sustainability as it impacts and

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as our industry impacts
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So we're going to talk about
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And yeah, so Mickey has an
incredible work ethic, great

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guy, excellent stories.
So I am now going to end our

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live broadcast and move on to
the podcast.

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Thank you so much for joining me
here today.

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I appreciate you and I hope you
love the podcast, Mickey.

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Hello.
Hello.

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How are you?
Very good.

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Thanks for asking.
You look, thanks for having me

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back.
You look well, look very.

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Well, you know, you take the boy
out of London and you dump him

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in California with all this
sunshine and fresh air and yeah,

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it seems to serve me well.
You know, I don't know if you

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listen to any of these, like
longevity health guys, you know,

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like functional medicine and all
of that kind of stuff that helps

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you age a little more
gracefully.

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It looks like you do, but
there's a lot to that.

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You know, there's a lot to
getting sunlight in the morning.

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You know, like people have spent
so much time staying, Oh my God,

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I can't get sun, I'm going to
get cancer.

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But it's incredibly important to
get at least 1520 minutes of

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sunlight every day, especially
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dangerous.
And and also to ground yourself,

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you know, like I don't.
Have you ever heard of a guy

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called Breca?
Gary Breca?

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He's one of.
Those I haven't heard of him.

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Do you know who Dana?
Do you know who Dana White is

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from the UFC?
Yes, yes.

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So, so Dana just recently went
through a whole transformation

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where he lost like I don't know,
5060 lbs.

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He went from being a fat, you
know, drunk bad eating heart

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attack victim waiting to happen
to like having a six pack.

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Like he's so fit now and this
Gary Breca is the guy who got

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him there.
But one of the things Gary Breca

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talks about is grounding
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And so people use these
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they actually literally ground
your body, but Breca just talks

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about you just take your shoes
off and go outside and stand on

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the grass.
Stand on the ground.

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Absolutely.
And we that that.

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You know, The funny thing?
A lot of people that know me

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from from back in England, from
Birmingham and London would be

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shocked to hear that I wake up
every morning at 5:00 AM before

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it gets light.
I do an hour of yoga.

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I walk my dog for an hour.
We climb up to the wisdom tree

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by the Hollywood sign and it's
exercise and fresh air and

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vitamin D like you say.
If you haven't got that, you

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don't get that.
If you don't get it from

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sunlight, you have to get it
from your food, which is much,

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much harder.
Takes so much more to get to get

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it from some that's improved in
some way, so.

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Good point.
I mean it's it's it's so

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important and it's it's why guys
at our age and beyond are able

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to sustain a career in in such a
crazy industry.

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You know when people who work
for law firms and stuff are

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retiring at at 55 or 60 and you
know guys are working into their

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70s in in this industry quite
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Speaking of which, is your dad
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He is.
I saw him recently.

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He's around about 80 years old
and he looks fantastic.

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He's still.
This is.

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Incredible.
They're doing, they're still

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doing the the farewell tour that
they started in 1984.

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So it's a you know you still get
tickets still get tickets if

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you're quick for the but yeah
he's doing great so he's looked

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past himself for a long time he
he I quit drinking probably 10

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years ago which was which made a
big difference as well You know

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it's not just that the LA
lifestyle you don't just move to

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LA and everything was out yet
there's a lot of work involved I

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I quit drinking nearly ten years
ago and that made a big

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difference.
Good for you.

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Good for you.
Yeah.

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You know, it's funny because I
remember last time you were on

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the podcast, I think it was you
who told the story.

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I can't remember if it was you
or Wiseman who told the story of

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of scuba diving in Australia.
That was probably me but Wiseman

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was there was he was the
instigator and there's a lot

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more stories I I mean I when I
when I saw the little note that

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I got about the court about this
having this call and there was a

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bit on it.
Do you want to did you any

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stories that you want to share.
I mean, obviously, you know, me

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and Wiseman have a long and
colourful history, shall we say,

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and and some of the some of the
stories that just even now you

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just sit and think about them
and you can just cry laugh in

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some of the we got ourselves in,
we got ourselves in such such

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Pickles so regularly.
Well, that that particular story

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has been told a lot of times to
a point where I've probably

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completely screwed it up.
But I as I recall, you were

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going over on a job interview to
work for Vera Light and.

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Well, what happened was no, what
happened.

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I was on tour with Eric Clapton
and we were in Australia and

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Wiseman showed up randomly at
the Siebel Townhouse and just

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said and and was you know we
stayed up drinking all night and

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as we were going to bed he was
like come on we should go scuba

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diving in the morning because
we're in we're we're right by

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the Barrier Reef or wherever we
were.

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So we all get we all carry on
drinking all night.

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We don't go to bed.
We go down to the beach and we

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rent a load of Snoop scuba gear
and and it takes us forever to

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get the gear on because we're so
drunk and in a ridiculous state.

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And we we we climb into the
water.

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We climb into the water and it's
just churn.

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We don't see anything.
It's just mud and.

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Dirt.
And it's horrendous.

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We can't see our hand in front
of our face until Wiseman throws

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up and then you've got nothing.
But you've got 10,000.

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Fish just appear from nowhere.
Oh my God.

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And then and then do what they
do and then disappear again.

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Like 10 seconds later.
Just eat everything and

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disappear.
It was the most.

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And then at the end of it we we
we were like, this is just too

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much.
And we we stand up and we

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realized we're in like 3 feet of
water.

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We haven't left the we haven't
left the break with we haven't

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left the break.
And there's all kids watching us

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the Anyway, oh.
My God.

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Horrified.
I think the kids are horrified.

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I'm sure these two drunken
idiots pop up.

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You know, one's covered in puke
and Oh my God, yeah.

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That's there was.
There was more than a few of us.

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There was because Tom Kenny was
there.

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There was so many people.
There was like a dozen of us in

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there in scuba.
Really.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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The whole crew went, yeah.
One of those ingenious ingenious

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moments where yeah John.
John is John is is an

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interesting guy.
You know, there's there's only,

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I mean, I guess there's loads of
people you probably know a lot

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more than I do, but there's not
that many people who can survive

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what that guy put himself
through, you know, with with the

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as heavy as his habits were and
and come out the other end and

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he's such a great guy now and
he's so healthy and fit and

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well.
And I had dinner with him a

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couple weeks ago.
He was down here actually for a

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Trump event.
He went to a party at Mar Lago

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and and we went out to dinner.
So that's so job.

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Yeah, yeah, he's a legend.
And I was.

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It was.
I was so lucky to have worked

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with him when I did in those in
the 80s and 90s.

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Yeah, he was a lot of fun.
So your dad's, your dad's 80 and

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he's still, he's still doing
what he did and just The Who or

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or other bands as well?
No, he's got other bands that he

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manages and you know the
company.

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He's got a company Trinifold
that manages a bunch of

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different bands that published.
He manages golfers as well.

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He's got this, He's got a new
thing where he's managing a load

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of golf, you know, up and coming
golf stars.

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They invest in them.
They they they they back their

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careers and then you know,
hopefully they they do it in

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almost like a timeshare thing.
I'll probably butcher what it

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actually is, but I believe you
can buy shares in golfers and

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you you invest in it, 'cause
they need money to get them, you

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know they can't if they're
unless they once it, if they,

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you know the winnings.
It takes a long time for the

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winnings to come, I guess.
Yeah, I I should.

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Talk to them because.
Racing is very similar and I

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know some drivers who have done
it in racing and my son's a race

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car driver and you know doesn't
have the funding to compete with

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most of these people.
And the problem in racing, it

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really does come down to
funding.

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At the end of the day it's it's,
you know, the rich will rise to

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the top and the the.
Poor will get from wealthy

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families.
Most of those drivers, you're

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right, they're from wealthy
families, even the even the

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beginning doing the go Kart
stuff.

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You know if you try, if you
start at that go Kart level,

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it's not cheap is it?
You're not.

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It's not.
That's not you'll.

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Spend $1,000,000 before you get
to cars.

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You know it it just in go karts.
I mean it we did it.

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You know he started at six years
old and and went into cars a few

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years ago and and yeah it's been
a very expensive, expensive

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child.
He's been an expensive child.

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Yeah.
Now he's having fun.

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He's coaching and stuff right
now because he couldn't afford

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to to do this year because his
dad pulled back and we've got

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some really great sponsors,
including in our industry as

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well.
But you know, I do know a few

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drivers who have done exactly
what you just said.

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They've basically sold futures
and that has worked out really

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well with a few of them.
One of them I think is in the

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process of being sued now
because he made it and then sort

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of cancelled on his investor and
so the investors chasing him now

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that's not very.
Cool.

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Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm sure.

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Get there.
Yeah.

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That's a bad feeling.
Yeah.

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So last time we talked was 2019
and so we're not going to go

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through all the the career
stuff.

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You of course have had an
incredible career up until now

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and you continue to have an
incredible career.

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One thing I will remind people
who are listening is that from

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what I recall, you actually got
your start at selling T-shirts

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on on an ACDC tour.
Yep, I got.

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I started off actually selling
T-shirts outside Brixton Academy

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for Desmond Decker.
A friend of mine had made some

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T-shirts and we went and stood
on the on the pavement outside

450
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,840
and that night there was a
robbery and they they tear

451
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,680
gassed the the the, the venue
and broke into the box office

452
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,400
and stole all the money and it
was on the news.

453
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,800
By the time I got home, my dad
was sitting there and it was on

454
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,440
the news and I just said to him
half heartedly, hey, I was

455
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,400
there, I was at the that show
selling T-shirts and I was

456
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,680
probably 15 or 16 and I was, I
was coming up to 16 I believe.

457
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320
And I knew that my schooling was
going to be over at 16.

458
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,920
I wasn't academic and I knew I
was going to be leaving school

459
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,760
at 16.
And he said, listen, if you want

460
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,400
to sell T-shirts, Brockham.
The guy that runs Brockham,

461
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Peter Lubin, is a friend of mine
and he got me a job selling

462
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,800
T-shirts at the NEC for ACDC and
the first.

463
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,200
The first night.
Yeah, the first night there.

464
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,800
I I didn't, I had no idea I was
going to go on tour.

465
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,400
I just got the train to
Birmingham with nothing, you

466
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,760
know, a packed lunch.
I had an apple and a sandwich

467
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,720
and I'd never saw, you know, as
I sold T-shirts at the Neci said

468
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,760
goodbye to everybody and I went
home and I traveled through the

469
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,160
night.
I slept at the station

470
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
overnight.
I walked, walked, you know, back

471
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,920
to my, my parents house.
And when I got home, my mum was

472
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,880
like, what are you doing here?
They've been calling all

473
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,040
morning.
You're supposed to be on tour.

474
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,440
You're supposed to have, you're
like, I'm like they had a hotel

475
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,160
for me and everything at the
AECI.

476
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,120
Just that's how naive I was.
I had no idea that they even had

477
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,400
a hotel and they just assumed
that that that, you know, I knew

478
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,960
all this then.
So I went back, yeah.

479
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,200
So I went back the next day and
and toured with ACDC for

480
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,480
probably 6 months with Jake
Berry as the production manager.

481
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,480
That was my introduction to
that, to that, and I just fell

482
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
in love with that 16 year old
kid and was blown away by.

483
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,480
Well, you were pretty much, you
were pretty much destined

484
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,120
anyways because of your father,
right?

485
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:56,160
Like you weren't going to go be
a, you know, a lawyer or a well,

486
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,040
maybe a lawyer, but no, you
probably weren't going to be a,

487
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,040
you know, a normal job kind of
guy.

488
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,200
I.
I I think I was probably

489
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,280
destined for greater things and
I ended up with like, you know,

490
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,160
rigging for for Howard Jones.
I was probably my dad probably

491
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720
thought that, you know, I don't
know what you thought about that

492
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,720
as a as a career choice, but it
turned out OK in the end.

493
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,400
I stuck with it for a very long
time.

494
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,920
And like anything, if you if you
stick with it and you and it,

495
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,800
you know it was hard working.
Well, I tell you it's the

496
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,520
opposite to these days because
the technology was so minimal.

497
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,840
There was, it was literally a
park and with a piece of gel in

498
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,120
front that you moved and you
tightened it up and then you

499
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,640
climbed onto the next one that
was as technical as it got.

500
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,400
It was really about who could
stay up the how long can you

501
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,840
stay up?
Can you load trucks in the

502
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,360
pouring rain?
You know, and then you know now,

503
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,280
of course, it's a different,
different skill set.

504
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,880
It's.
So different.

505
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,040
I mean it's it's unbelievable.
The entire business is so

506
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,640
different now.
You know, like I was just

507
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,560
hearing somebody told me this
morning, I got to go look at my

508
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,120
text and see who it was.
Someone I've heard has just

509
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:08,440
taken on a bunch of private
equity money and which company

510
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,160
was it a rental?
Oh, really?

511
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,320
OK.
In, in Europe, Yeah, Yeah.

512
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,760
The big, the big dry hire
company.

513
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,200
Great.
Company, yeah.

514
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,920
Yeah.
I mean I I I think it's getting

515
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,320
to a point now and and we can
talk about this because you you

516
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,680
obviously are part of one of the
the big private equity held

517
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,840
companies I think.
It's well, I I would add we need

518
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,800
to, we need to because that's
really interesting.

519
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,400
We're not private equity.
We are.

520
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,840
It's privately owned by Stephen
Bronfman.

521
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,640
He owns the majority of it who's
a, who's a a wealthy individual

522
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,000
from Canada from the sequence
family who is a passionate music

523
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,840
like.
And then there's other investors

524
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,120
that are more they're not.
It's not, but it's not.

525
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,960
It's not private equity, but
just so that it does make a

526
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
difference, by the way on the
subject, yeah.

527
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,320
And it does make a difference on
the subject, but but there's a

528
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,600
lot of that about.
But yeah.

529
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,360
Very different in in the
operation of the company and

530
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
stuff too.
Bronfman also didn't, and I

531
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840
don't know if he still does, but
at one point he owned Universal

532
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,400
Music or something too, didn't
he?

533
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,600
He did.
They sold that recently.

534
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,960
He was.
The great thing about Stephen

535
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,440
was that a lot of people don't
know, is he?

536
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,800
I I don't.
I don't think he'd mind me

537
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,880
sharing it.
But his was the the money behind

538
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,560
a lot of those early 360 deals
in that that Live Nation did

539
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,760
they they in the Michael Cole I
believe it was it was those guys

540
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,480
that that really funded that
change in the industry.

541
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,960
Yeah.
So which has been a a fairly

542
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,440
epic change, a pretty big change
really, right.

543
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,400
But where I was going with the
and again I misspoke on the

544
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,520
private equity thing, but let's
call it funded by deep pockets,

545
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,760
you know, whether that's a
private individual or a private

546
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800
equity group or a public entity
or whatever it is.

547
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,080
But I think the industry now has
gotten to a point where even if

548
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,120
you're a large rental company or
whatever, it's you're going to

549
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,880
hit a wall where you just don't
have, you know, the capital or

550
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,120
resources to compete on some of
these shows.

551
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Like they're getting and have
gotten so ridiculously huge that

552
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720
I don't know, like as a rental
company, how could you, like, a

553
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,160
bid comes across your desk for,
you know, a a Beyoncé stadium

554
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,720
tour or, you know, Taylor Swift
or whatever, any of the big ones

555
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,800
that are out.
And I mean, the equipment list

556
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,840
has to be just ginormous, you
know?

557
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,840
They're, they are.
They're 20.

558
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Thirty $40 million investments
for that sort of thing.

559
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,360
And and and you know I mean it's
such a it's such a big subject

560
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,400
that you can talk about for for
a long time but it but yes you

561
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,480
need you need deep pockets you
need they the the thing about

562
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,920
our our industry is all of our
clients want you to be if they

563
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,000
want it to be a cottage industry
but they also want you to be

564
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,000
able to stump up $10 million at
very short notice when they

565
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,640
finally make their mind up as to
what it is they really, really

566
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,920
want on their on their show.
You know, and that that comes

567
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,400
down to the, you know, the
question we were talking prior

568
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,720
to to going live on it about
sustainability and about, you

569
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440
know the here.
Yeah.

570
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,240
And I want to get into that.
But so that the, yeah, the

571
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,840
enormity of these shows, is that
driven by artist ego or lighting

572
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,640
company ego or production
manager ego or a combination of

573
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,720
all of those.
What is it?

574
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,840
I think I used to think it was
ego, but I don't know that it

575
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,000
is.
I don't really think.

576
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,880
I don't really see that.
I see it as as just, you know,

577
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480
the public expect a certain
level.

578
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,160
I think some of it is to do with
the actual the artists and the

579
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,560
and the shows that people are
now used to seeing.

580
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,640
You know when we were younger we
would go see, we spoke about The

581
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Who earlier and about that.
I I remember some of my earliest

582
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,680
experiences of going to the
Rainbow in in in London and the

583
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,640
show was a a black box at the
end of a in a theatre.

584
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,800
So you there was no nothing was
lit.

585
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,440
No there was no there was no
safety lighting for instance.

586
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,880
So you didn't see anything.
You just had to focus on the

587
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,440
band.
There was no LED.

588
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,320
There was no, there was just a
black drape behind it and there

589
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,960
would be the the, the artist and
there would be lit and that was

590
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
the show that was your focus was
on that.

591
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,520
Over the years it's become so
much more that even the audience

592
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600
are part of the show now.
So often the audience is still

593
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,560
part of the show, so you're
lighting every element of it.

594
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,120
I think that really took hold
when we started filming shows

595
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,280
and you know Alan Branton and
people like that came along and

596
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,440
they were like you know
something yet you need to see

597
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,040
what's going on out here.
The public want to see what's

598
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,120
going on.
So that's when it really started

599
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800
to expand lighting wise to like
to bringing in the audience into

600
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,880
it but and the scenic stuff, the
stuff that tape do now is is you

601
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,080
know it's so complex and so and
and and so so you know and and

602
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,400
it is a bit of an arms race.
It's like, you know, we know

603
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760
that these artists go to see
each other's shows.

604
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,280
They go so someone you know, you
know Taylor Swift, even if it's

605
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,280
not her, somebody will go and
see somebody like the Beyoncé

606
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,960
thing or Beyoncé will see her
show or whatever, and and then

607
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,440
their designers will be watching
each other's shows and they'll,

608
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,480
they'll have to keep.
You've got to keep.

609
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,200
It's got to be fresh.
It's got to be different.

610
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,400
It's got to be because it's the
same audience, the same person

611
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960
that goes to see each.
Other Yeah, of course you got to

612
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,600
step it up.
You got to keep stepping up the

613
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640
game because otherwise it gets
boring.

614
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,960
And you know, obviously ticket
prices are getting higher, but

615
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,040
is it the ticket prices that are
driving up the size of the show

616
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,320
or is it the size of the show
that's driving up the ticket

617
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,280
price?
Again, it's always a a chicken

618
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,240
and egg sort of argument, I
guess, But I was just curious,

619
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,360
like if if Beyoncé goes and sees
Taylor Swift and she's got 1000

620
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,719
lights, I want 1500 lights, or
she's got a, you know, 20M

621
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
screen, I want a 30m screen or
whatever, Right, there's.

622
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,400
I think, I think there there's
an element of that, but I think

623
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,239
a lot of it is also they go and
they look at it and if they're

624
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,360
impressed with it, they're like,
OK, I want to talk to the people

625
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,639
that did that.
Can you connect me to the team

626
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,679
that are responsible for that
that show and then they go in

627
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,360
and they look, they decide on
elements that they like about

628
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,000
elements that they go on and
their own thing and you that's

629
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,880
when you you know.
So that that I think is is

630
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,679
probably where it comes from.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

631
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,920
And I mean, again, it's it.
They're just becoming so huge

632
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,960
that it's just like, where's all
this coming from?

633
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000
And you know, the other thing
that's so interesting, and I've

634
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,560
said it so many times on my
podcast, but everything's a

635
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,960
stadium show now, You know, like
you're starting to see comedians

636
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,200
doing stadiums and and country
acts doing stadiums.

637
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,760
Not that there's anything
against country acts, but I

638
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,080
mean, it's not just The Rolling
Stones doing stadiums anymore or

639
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,960
U2, it's it's so many bands
doing stadiums.

640
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,720
And I love the creativity of the
design and and production people

641
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,120
in building these rigs out,
'cause obviously you don't have

642
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
a ceiling to fly lights from or
whatever.

643
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,280
You know you there's no rigging,
so everything's from the ground

644
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,880
pretty much, and it's a whole
different thing.

645
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,240
I I, I've recently become a
Kenny Chesney fan, you know,

646
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,720
which is another thing that
would surprise my cockney

647
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,240
friends back.
But.

648
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,200
I went to see Kenny, I went to
see Kenny Chesney a few years

649
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,520
ago in a stadium somewhere in
Florida.

650
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,200
I've never seen anything like it
in my life.

651
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,760
If you've not been to a Kenny
Chesney show, if you've never

652
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,560
been to a Kenny Chesney Stadium
show, it's the biggest party

653
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,800
that I've ever attended.
It's so much fun and so much

654
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,560
energy and and you can see why
they want to be in a stadium

655
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200
because they're.
It's just that the whole place

656
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,280
is just on fire.
It's just the biggest party.

657
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Anyone who hasn't been to a
Kenny Chesney Show, I would

658
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,680
advise it and it's.
Not it.

659
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,360
Totally took me by surprise.
I never would have, I never

660
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,800
would have guessed that that'd
be the big party, you know, Is

661
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,440
it, Is it the audience or the
artist, though, that's creating

662
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,280
the the?
Audience and the artist yeah

663
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,480
they are they all they're all so
familiar with everything they

664
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,440
know.
You know it's like a it's a it's

665
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,400
a bit I I never was never really
around for the tailgate parties

666
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,960
you know the Grateful Dead and
stuff like that.

667
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,120
I I was touring with The Who at
the time and I remember pulling

668
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,240
up at stadiums and the Grateful
Dead fans would still be there

669
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,920
the following week so they would
all still be in the car park.

670
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,680
We would do they would do
alternate weekends, so we would

671
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,840
arrive on a Friday for a
Saturday show and they're like

672
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,760
their show was Saturday and the
car park was still had 8-9

673
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,120
hundred people in it like but
it's similar to that I believe

674
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,560
the Kenny JB guys.
Speaking of Speaking of Deadhead

675
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,360
fans, when I remember when they
opened The Mirage in Las Vegas,

676
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,480
I had provided some lighting
there.

677
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,560
So I was invited to the grand
opening of The Mirage Hotel and

678
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,200
I was staying there, I think
from maybe two days before the

679
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,720
opening.
And the same weekend Grateful

680
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,680
Dead was playing at the
racetrack, the Speedway in Las

681
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,360
Vegas, I think.
Or maybe it was a football

682
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,720
stadium, I don't remember.
But they were playing at

683
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:40,280
something big.
And so in this brand new hotel

684
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,200
that was just opening that
weekend, there were these

685
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Grateful Dead fans sleeping in
sleeping bags in the hallways

686
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,400
and showering in the casino
bathrooms.

687
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,760
Like washing themselves down and
brushing their teeth and blow

688
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,960
drying their hair or whatever in
the casino bathrooms.

689
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,560
It was just hilarious.
It was so funny.

690
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,280
They're they're an interesting
buzz.

691
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,080
And they.
I think they're getting.

692
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,360
Are they?
It didn't.

693
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,680
Oh, no, they're not.
I thought they were going into

694
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,800
the sphere, but they're not, are
they?

695
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,800
I don't think them.
I know Fish is going in there,

696
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,520
aren't they?
I don't think dead and.

697
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,840
Does Grateful Dead still tour as
Grateful Dead?

698
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,000
I don't even know.
No, it's dead and Co, but it's

699
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,120
still, they still go and do
shows and they're still very

700
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,000
popular.
I know that.

701
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,720
I know Chris Adamson was working
with him up until a while ago

702
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,280
and it was they were doing
really, really well.

703
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,880
They.
But you say fish is going into

704
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,360
the sphere.
They're like for.

705
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,440
And that's what I heard.
I think.

706
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,120
I think it'll be a short
residency.

707
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,280
I don't think it's as long as
the the U2 thing was 40 shows, I

708
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,040
believe, But they'll still be,
you know, I would imagine

709
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,480
they'll do a few shows.
That thing.

710
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680
It was.
It was another thing not, not

711
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,720
many things blow me away, you
know, because we've been doing

712
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,040
it for so long.
But going there with no real

713
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,360
expectation.
I didn't.

714
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,600
You know, I hadn't paid
attention.

715
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,160
We were involved in the building
of it.

716
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,840
We built the outside of the
sphere.

717
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,640
We didn't do anything on the
inside.

718
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,440
And Willie and and his team had
been working there.

719
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
So I went, I had some lunch with
Willie and then I stayed and

720
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,160
watched the show.
I've never seen anything like it

721
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,280
in my life.
I've never I, I and even to this

722
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,360
day, I still there's a bunch of
effects that they did that I

723
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,240
have no idea how they did it.
And this is what I do for a

724
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,000
living and have done since I was
16.

725
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,960
As we just said, if you get a
chance, unfortunately you two

726
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,600
has finished.
That's another thing.

727
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
We're lucky.
Recently it's been, it's been

728
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,040
really not boring, but there's
not really been that much

729
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,240
innovation in what we do.
We've been talking about stadium

730
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:29,760
shows.
Yes, they're getting bigger, but

731
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400
they're bigger and more of the
same thing in a way.

732
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,760
But what they did there in the
sphere, and I was as cynical as

733
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,720
any of the rest of us.
Believe me, it's just the idea.

734
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,600
What are they doing?
Billions.

735
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,800
You know, whatever.
And you know who knows what You

736
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,440
what, what, where it will go.
But what I saw with you two blew

737
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,040
me away.
Stunning.

738
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,240
Yeah, I had a long talk with
with our mutual friend John

739
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:00,400
about that.
And I don't know, I'm still

740
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,080
cynical about it.
Like I just think.

741
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Like when I I don't.
I won't forget the very first

742
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,320
video I saw of you two in the
sphere, and it took me a good 30

743
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,720
seconds to find Bono on this
video.

744
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,720
I couldn't find him.
Like, where is he?

745
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,320
I couldn't find him anywhere.
And I'm looking everywhere

746
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,520
because it's just such a it's a
visual, just orgasm, you know?

747
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,880
It's just this visual.
There's so much shit going on

748
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,800
that it it to me just takes all
the focus away from the artist

749
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,080
and.
It's a different it's a

750
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,320
different form of NDAA.
Would would if you two showed up

751
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,840
there would they?
Without that would they sell 40

752
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,000
nights at the Sphere in Vegas?
Of course I.

753
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,000
Don't think so, but.
But putting it together was

754
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,280
genius and and and you know the
work that those guys did just

755
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,760
that I appreciate so much what
it takes what it took to do it.

756
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,920
You know that's what I
appreciate is it is that and and

757
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,560
that they are taking a risk and
that when we talk about the ABBA

758
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,800
show that we're we're involved
in in in London.

759
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,480
Like I said we weren't involved
in any way with what happened in

760
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,120
the sphere and what Willie and
and treatment of those guys did.

761
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,080
But I can respect it and look at
it and be like I was blown away.

762
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,360
Not going to lie.
Yeah, that.

763
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,720
That ABBA.
Thing is cool too, that that

764
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,920
could.
Probably end up in the.

765
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Sphere for a little while.
You know, a month or something?

766
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,800
It it could do.
But you know that one.

767
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,480
You know if if you know it's
another show that I would say,

768
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,120
you know, it's not often that
that I would say, you know

769
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,320
people ask me all the time hey,
what what are you doing?

770
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,640
What's cool?
Because we're involved in pretty

771
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,760
much every show that's out
there.

772
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,080
We're involved in some way or
one of our frenzy.

773
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,160
And I would say that it's
unfortunate if you missed you

774
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
too because I don't think anyone
will ever do that again.

775
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,800
I don't think we'll have anyone
will ever spend that kind of

776
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,520
money on the content.
You know, it will end up in a

777
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,080
library that you can use.
I would imagine a library of

778
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,880
content that when you go in
there you can use.

779
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,600
So maybe that's a that's
something that we'll never

780
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,000
experience again and we won't
see again.

781
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,120
And it might end up being a big
it might be a big iMac.

782
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,280
You know, they they spent a
couple billion dollars building

783
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,600
that place and it had to be that
big of a sort of extravaganza

784
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,880
kind of thing like you 2 for
however many nights.

785
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,920
And it just had to be that
crazy.

786
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Yeah, because I think, you know,
I, again, me being cynical, I

787
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,200
think a lot of people were like,
there's no way they're ever

788
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,360
going to make money on this
place.

789
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,240
They're going to lose their
asses and all that stuff.

790
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,680
I've kind of turned around my
thinking on that because they

791
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,840
created such a spectacle out of
this show and now you've got

792
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,080
like the UFC going in there.
That's another one that really

793
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,080
surprises me.
Like, what's that going to look

794
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,320
like?
That's going to be, really.

795
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,720
That's one that we are we are
heavily involved in.

796
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,080
We are we are putting that
together with with Silent House

797
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,480
and it's another one.
Yeah obviously there's

798
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,280
challenges lighting from from
that high up and all that and I

799
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,760
I'm not involved in that part
part of it but you know that

800
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,760
that's you know I think the
point is like you know you took

801
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,240
for $2 billion you could have
built the win you could have

802
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,440
gone and built another casino
and had that kind of thing.

803
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,400
So but what they did was they
they've they've gone out on a

804
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,280
limb they've gone and done
something that you know it it's

805
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,960
it's.
You know, there's nothing else

806
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000
like it ends.
Up being If it just ends up

807
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,040
being a giant IMAX cinema at the
end of the day, then it's the

808
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,920
world's most.
Expensive IMAX cinema.

809
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,200
So what, You know, somebody's
getting a lot of attention, even

810
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,400
the things that they do with
that round.

811
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Like I'm sure locals in Las
Vegas probably get sick of it.

812
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,080
But like when you saw the F1
race and the the the happy faced

813
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,880
guy with the little eyeballs
that would watch the cars go by

814
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,800
and the eyes would follow the
cars and stuff.

815
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Like even silly things like
that, I think, I think are

816
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840
really cool, you know?
I think there's a there's an

817
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,360
element of all of us, especially
us that have been in this

818
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,320
industry for our entire lives
where we do, we are cynical and

819
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,040
we and we are we're sort of
programmed to shoot things down

820
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,960
before you know, we just do.
It's like it's just our nature

821
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,040
and we always will generally to
ourselves not we don't do it in

822
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,280
a in a format like this in a
public environment or anything

823
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,240
like that.
But even the even the Formula

824
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,240
One, you know when they were
putting that together, I went to

825
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:14,760
the Formula One.
I've got a friend of mine who

826
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,360
came from London who's a big
fan.

827
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,920
You know he overpaid for his for
his room and all this kind of

828
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,520
thing got totally you know, but
he had a fantastic time and I

829
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,160
was really cynical about the
whole thing.

830
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,360
But then when you read
afterwards the drivers who it's

831
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040
pretty important what they
think, they thought it was the

832
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,920
best race of the of the entire
season.

833
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,360
You know now there's so many
things that were were wrong with

834
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
it in many, many ways.
But one element, which is the

835
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,880
drivers were like this is the
best race we've had all season

836
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,960
because of the way the course
was and this and that, so you

837
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,440
know it.
Yeah, well, because of the

838
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,320
challenges, yeah, you know, I
think the hardcore racing fans,

839
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,840
especially Brits, hated it.
You know, because it it Brits

840
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,320
don't like.
And I'm speaking for one right

841
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,280
now, but Brits don't tend to
like from a motorsport

842
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,560
standpoint when you get off of
the real hardcore fundamentals

843
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,320
of motorsport.
And it's more a show like they

844
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,880
hated the Netflix series, they
hated the Miami race, you know,

845
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440
they hated the whole Vegas thing
because.

846
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,000
It's the opening ceremony, the
dark, all that.

847
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,440
Yeah, exactly.
All that thing.

848
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,240
I get it.
And I I don't think they'll do

849
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,200
that again.
I don't know that they will.

850
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,240
Because they've learned, aren't
they?

851
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,040
They, you know, you've learned
from your mistakes.

852
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,720
They lost so much money to do.
They that had to just cost them

853
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
gazillions of dollars like, you
know it.

854
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,480
It was such a shit show
financially, but.

855
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,760
You know, and we weren't
involved in that in any way

856
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,200
either.
So we know when I comment on it

857
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,560
sometimes, sometimes, you know,
you find yourself commenting on

858
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,200
things because you've made money
from it or you've done, you

859
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,920
know, you've got I.
So I would look at it and go, Oh

860
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,120
my God, it was fantastic.
Let's do the open ceremony

861
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,520
again.
It was amazing, but.

862
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,760
But to me, you know, I didn't
watch it.

863
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,360
I had no interest in it.
Why would I?

864
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:03,480
It got nothing, Zero in my
friends other than my friends,

865
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,560
other than my friends were
putting it together.

866
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,360
You know, I went to see them
during rehearsal and stuff and

867
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,560
stand there because it's their
thing.

868
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,440
It's what we do.
But there's no difference to me

869
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,640
watching that or watching Katy
Perry or watching you know it,

870
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,440
you know?
Yeah, it's just another big

871
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,960
spectacle, you know, so.
Yeah, back to the UFC thing, and

872
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,280
I I don't even know if you can
tell me, but I would assume that

873
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,880
it's going to be like more like
a standard, you know fight where

874
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,960
it's in the round and I'm
curious what it assuming it's in

875
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,000
the round, was seating around
it, what's the content going to

876
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,720
be like?
It's not going to be I.

877
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Think it's not that I can't tell
you it's that I don't no because

878
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,160
I'm not it's one something that
Lee Lee Morrow and and is

879
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,440
working on from outside with
with John Flynn they've been in

880
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,200
the in the building and and
dealing with the silent house

881
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,000
team that are that are playing
together and I you know I don't

882
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,960
I don't even know if we've
finished bidding on it I don't

883
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,160
even know if we've actually.
Awarded it.

884
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,400
You know, again I'm just curious
with a sporting event, you know

885
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,080
you're not going to, it's not
going to be as crazy as, as the

886
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,880
U2 content was because it would
probably be too distracting I

887
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,680
would think.
But who knows, like I never in a

888
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,000
billion years would have seen
you two doing what they did

889
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,720
either.
So you know, it was just so out

890
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,640
there and so different than
anything, like you said,

891
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,240
anything we've ever seen, we've
never seen anything like that.

892
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:33,760
So it's very, very different.
So, so I I've been listening to

893
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,080
this this book called Living The
Beatles Legend.

894
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Have you seen this book or heard
of it or anything?

895
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,840
I don't know.
Were you a Beatles fan?

896
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,400
Did you grow up a Beatles?
Fan I I was not, but I ended up

897
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,640
when I was tour managing Eric
Clapton.

898
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,720
George Harrison was in the band.
So when I was 25 years old, just

899
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:57,120
before Wiseman in fact the tour
that Wiseman showed up on in

900
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,760
Australia was we were we were
touring with George Harrison is

901
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,800
he was the guitar player and and
I didn't really know The

902
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,000
Beatles.
I'd never really had that much

903
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,360
of an experience of them.
But I certainly spent time with

904
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,000
him and then got into it, to be
honest with you.

905
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,160
And now my, you know, now I'm
sort of, I sort of respect them

906
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,400
but.
Yeah, I do too.

907
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,920
I'm, I'm very similar.
Like I I think I was just a

908
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,960
little bit too young.
You know when The Beatles really

909
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,880
broke was you know, 666768
whatever.

910
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,120
And I would I was born in 64, so
I was just a bit too young for

911
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,920
for that.
But I've always been intrigued.

912
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,320
You know, I've read like John
Lennon's book and some other

913
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,920
stuff, but this book, Living The
Beatles legend, is based on a

914
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
diary that was written by a guy
named Mel Evans who was their

915
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,520
roadie right from The Cavern all
the way up till their very last

916
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,720
performance to their very last
recording.

917
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:01,000
And it was him and Aspinall Neil
Aspinall who worked for The

918
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Beatles like right from day one.
And so his he died and his son

919
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,760
always kept this diary and said
one day we're going to write a

920
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,120
book and it's so interesting.
I was just curious if if you

921
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,800
were a fan or anything because
it.

922
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Really.
I haven't read that.

923
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,720
But I've read, I've read quite a
few biographies.

924
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:23,040
I love, I I love true.
You know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll

925
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,720
read a bit of fiction, but I
prefer historical things.

926
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,600
So I love biographies.
And yeah, me too.

927
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,320
Especially people like music.
Ones music, biographies are

928
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,160
always fun, you know, or
industry.

929
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,400
Biographies.
So you know, I know one of the

930
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,360
things that's really meaningful
and and something you're

931
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,640
passionate about is something
we've already mentioned for a

932
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,320
second, there is sustainability
in our industry.

933
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:53,080
And you know, in your mind,
like, is that something being

934
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,600
driven by need or being driven
by guilt?

935
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,800
Or like it is it got, is it
something related to the size of

936
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,560
the shows?
Like if we don't do something,

937
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,080
we're not going to have enough
power in stadiums to run this

938
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,600
much shit, you know?
Or I think well I think there's

939
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,360
a there's an element of if we if
we sort of peel peel it back and

940
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,840
and go back to where you know we
all understand that the planet

941
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,080
is in crisis that we that we
can't continue the way we've

942
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,240
been going in you know such a
short period of time.

943
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,880
The amount of damage that we've
done to to to the fragile

944
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,440
balance of nature is, is it's
just we have to do something

945
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,280
about it now.
You know there's a lot of people

946
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,000
that you know we'll we'll we'll
put that focus on individuals

947
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,680
and OK you could you have to
recycle.

948
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,480
You get an electric car you
change your light bulbs you do

949
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,360
those kind of things you know.
So you know there's a lot of a

950
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,880
lot of focus on that is like OK
what can you do as an individual

951
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,600
which is you know fine we all we
all have our part to play and we

952
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,600
all have our thing.
But we also also know that

953
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:04,480
really I I think the statistic
is that 75% of the damage that

954
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,160
is being done is done by 100
companies globally.

955
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:10,880
So you know we can we Oh yeah we
can make out we can make a

956
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,040
difference in a tiny thing.
But I think that you know

957
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,560
statistically there's up there's
probably 100 companies that are

958
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,680
that are that are doing 75% of
the the damage stop that

959
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:25,200
statistic from because I want to
look that one up from my from

960
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,360
from something that I've read
but I I am and I by the way I am

961
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,920
no expert on this I would have
rather be in a conversation

962
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,720
about it than sitting here
saying what you know because I

963
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:38,840
well.
I'm not going to Fact Check you,

964
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,760
I promise you.
That no no I'd rather be but but

965
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,680
to me what what I do know is
that you know is what we do for

966
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,720
as an as entertainers is you
know is it is it leaves a huge

967
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:55,040
footprint So I just did a talk
last week in in London at the

968
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:59,240
international live music
conference and part the opening

969
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:04,040
day of the conference is about a
greener future and it's Claire

970
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,080
O'Neill has been doing this for
many many years puts a puts a a

971
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,800
series of panels together you
know and they and we talk about

972
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,400
what we can do what what you
know and it's and and the great

973
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,520
thing is you know it's full of
young people it's it's you know

974
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560
most of the old people don't
even go in there.

975
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,280
Most of the the older promoters
and the people that you know,

976
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,120
it's full of young people.
It's the future.

977
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,240
It's the people that realize
that if we don't do something

978
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,280
they don't have a future in
entertainment.

979
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,440
There's no yeah we can't keep
doing what we're doing.

980
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,640
So and I and I did this talk and
I'm I'm much more comfortable

981
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,440
talking to you than I am
standing on a stage in a room

982
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,720
and that you know that and I
think most people here will

983
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,560
understand that as well because
that's why we chose how I think

984
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,280
I feel really uncomfortable
standing in front of a group of

985
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,800
people and talking but it was
something I feel I had to do and

986
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,600
I and I told a story to start
with about the Jonas Brothers

987
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,720
5-6 years ago.
We got a design through for the

988
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:58,960
Jonas Brothers and let's say
there was 600 moving lights on

989
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,360
it and when we did the power
consumption it was going to be

990
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:08,040
4300 amp supplies for for the
show and most buildings we can

991
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,880
get a couple and then we'd have
to have a couple of generators

992
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,320
and you know they were doing 70
shows should we say and and when

993
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,440
we did the, the the calculations
it's like and it was just at the

994
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,520
time when LED lights were really
starting to take people were

995
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,640
starting to take them seriously
LED lighting you know we could

996
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,760
we could start to be able to
shape the beam started to be

997
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,840
more reliable you know So what
we did was we did this

998
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,400
calculation we were like OK if
we if we buy an LED lighting rig

999
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,000
what's the power of consumption
and it went down to one supply.

1000
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,240
So we were saving three.
We were saving three 300 amp

1001
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:51,160
supplies every single day only
exactly.

1002
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,680
So we went back to the design
team and made this proposition

1003
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,240
and they were like well if
you'll buy those lights, let's

1004
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,760
do it.
It just is a no brainer and we

1005
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,840
we might have to make a
commitment from get a commitment

1006
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,760
from the design team.
They'll be like look this tour

1007
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,040
is only going for a year.
We're going to go spend

1008
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,520
$1,000,000 on this stuff or
whatever it was you know will

1009
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,680
you use it for a couple of
years.

1010
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,920
And they and they were true to
their word the next show they

1011
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,160
designed it went on and and it
and it really made a shift in

1012
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,760
us.
So we started pushing towards

1013
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,040
LED products.
But what it did for me it woke

1014
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,440
me up to to the to the fact that
that you can make a difference

1015
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,960
you know where you know if you
if you present it the right way.

1016
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,960
People have a conscience,
people.

1017
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,840
People understand that the the
the the impact that we make and

1018
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,840
it was just one small thing and
and it really got to set us on a

1019
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,200
path of that we haven't stopped
on.

1020
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,360
Now most of our product is LED.
Yeah, one of the things about

1021
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,640
LED that that I never really
thought of and I had an LED

1022
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:54,200
company for commercial LED
replacing, you know, large

1023
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,360
warehouses and buildings and
stuff, replacing incandescent or

1024
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,600
fluorescent or whatever with LED
or you know, metal halide or

1025
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,400
whatever.
And but one of the things I

1026
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,000
didn't think about and
Huddleston told me, actually I

1027
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,200
think we were on this podcast
probably.

1028
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,520
And Huddleston said one of the
biggest differences that LED

1029
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:21,760
makes is that from load in and
set up, when you turn the lights

1030
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,920
on until the show starts, that's
the biggest difference right

1031
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,680
there, like.
They're on lights.

1032
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,200
Are on all day.
LED's are off all day.

1033
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,840
That's.
A huge He's absolutely right.

1034
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,280
What what happens with an
incandescent light is we turn it

1035
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,680
on in the morning.
And the reason we do this is

1036
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,360
simple.
When you're in your house, the

1037
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,480
only time your light bulb will
blow is when you turn it on.

1038
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,520
OK.
So when you're in a show

1039
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,920
situation, the last thing you
want to do is just before the

1040
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,640
show, turn all your lights on
because you're in.

1041
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,400
That's when they're going to go.
So what we developed over the

1042
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,920
years was like, let's just turn
them all on in the morning and

1043
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,560
don't touch them.
And then the shutter is closed

1044
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,080
in front of them.
And when it's Showtime, the

1045
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,440
shutter lifts and does it's
thing and it DS the total

1046
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,440
opposite.
You hit a button and it goes on.

1047
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Yeah, yeah.
That is in itself massive power.

1048
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,720
Savings.
You know what that's like doing?

1049
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:17,320
It's like brushing your teeth in
the morning and leaving the tap

1050
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,160
on all day long until you brush
your teeth in the evening.

1051
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
That's what you're doing, that's

1052
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,600
what we're doing with those
lights.

1053
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,080
But if you think of it, if you
think of it, Mickey, like, So

1054
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,400
what time lights are generally
done in the morning?

1055
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,200
By what?
Like noon, at least.

1056
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,800
Right, 1111 or 12?
Yeah.

1057
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,160
OK.
So let's call it 11.

1058
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,080
So they're on from 11:00 until
10:00 at night or 11:00 at

1059
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,440
night.
The show, Yeah, the show is 8

1060
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,560
until midnight or whatever.
So you're going from 4 hours to

1061
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,000
like 13 hours.
So the the lights are on for

1062
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,960
absolutely no use for, you know,
more than double the length of

1063
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,360
the Showtime.
It's just completely crazy.

1064
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,880
You can save 2/3 of the
electricity you're drawing.

1065
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,400
And and and we don't you know
until and that that's the point

1066
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,960
I'm making until we we we're
like we're looking for things

1067
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,120
we're all right now going OK
what can we do to reduce our

1068
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,880
impact something as simple as
that is is makes such a such a

1069
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,640
big difference you know and the
other thing that that we're

1070
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,400
working on at the moment one of
the one of the things that that

1071
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,120
we're working on and I had a
meeting with Yvonne Donnelly in

1072
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,320
in London who is the sort of the
head of of of PRG over there and

1073
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,120
a really dear friend of mine and
I I want to congratulate her

1074
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,280
recently she made one of the
women of of industry in Polestar

1075
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,480
and you know what what I will
say is that most of the most of

1076
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:51,400
the people that are driving this
change are women most of that

1077
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,160
because as always you know
they're the ones that are

1078
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,840
sensitive and the ones that are
sensitive to what is going on

1079
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,840
here and also they they they're
if I.

1080
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,960
You know the people that like
Carol Scott are Tate is is

1081
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,720
making a massive impact on on on
our industry and what we do

1082
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Claire that I just spoke about
Claire O'Neill Amy Amy Morrison

1083
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,800
MO Morrison's wife she's got a
project which has been going in

1084
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,200
the US now.
So that that's been really been

1085
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,280
driven by the by the women of of
our industry a lot of this a lot

1086
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,520
of this a lot of this stuff.
But the the thing that that

1087
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,520
we're doing at the moment and I
spoke to Yvonne about this is we

1088
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,720
want to create a greener bid
document.

1089
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,440
So when you get a quote from
from higher companies, what we

1090
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,080
want to do is introduce on the
on the the Backpage of it is is

1091
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,440
either a lighting plot that
shows you the power consumption

1092
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,640
of of the units that you've
chosen.

1093
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,320
Because what you, you know what
you can look at is if if you

1094
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,880
know, I, I, you know
hypothetically if you looked at

1095
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,760
a rig you've got an LED screen
which is LED OK that that would

1096
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,080
generally be classed as a green
product.

1097
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,680
You've got some you know you
maybe some some some

1098
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,440
incandescent big bright powerful
lights which will be red.

1099
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,400
And then there's a bunch of
stuff that sits in the middle

1100
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,480
that's amber.
But if the LED screen was

1101
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,360
purchased at the very last
minute because nobody could make

1102
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,640
their mind up exactly what they
wanted and we had to air freight

1103
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:28,480
it from China then it goes red.
You know and and the point that

1104
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,560
I want to make and the point
that I think that where we all

1105
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,920
have a part to play is that
we're pushing our timelines

1106
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,560
closer and closer.
We're getting shorter and

1107
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,160
shorter.
We're so good at doing and

1108
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,480
making sure that no matter what
we can deliver and the show will

1109
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,640
always go on.
The difference between what we

1110
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,520
do and most people do is we know
way in advance when the first

1111
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,440
show is of a tour.
So if I'm looking at if I'm now

1112
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,000
in whatever we are now in March.
I'm looking at shows that the

1113
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,080
tour might start in August now,
and let's say for arguing to

1114
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,560
take it starts at 8:00 on August
the 1st in Fresno, the artist

1115
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,040
that I'm working with.
I know we and we start going to

1116
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,600
a negotiation period if we buy a
new product, given enough time I

1117
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,680
can put those products on a sea
container and and ship them for

1118
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,840
for literally 0 carbon impact
almost and a very low cost.

1119
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,840
Now you you made a point earlier
about how everything's going up

1120
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,320
in price.
Well how the difference between

1121
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:29,760
sea freight and air freight of a
product is not only massive

1122
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:35,040
regard you know financially but
as a as a as an impact to carbon

1123
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,240
impact it's massive as well.
So of course the price is going

1124
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,400
to go up.
We we will, we will, we will, we

1125
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,880
will shoulder that burden that
we will be like OK we'll pay the

1126
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,360
extra million.
There's there's a couple of

1127
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,120
examples right now that we're
living through and everyone's

1128
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,560
doing the same, Huddleston's
doing the same, Yvonne's doing

1129
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,960
the same.
We're all living the same drama

1130
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,240
which is last minute.
We need this from there.

1131
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,520
So and we're we're air
freighting it in and I've got

1132
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,400
one, you know one at the moment
the the charge is $1,000,000,

1133
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,720
it's 274 sevens full of product
that is air freighting in it's

1134
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,840
$1,000,000.
Now I might, I might split that

1135
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,360
cost with the, with the vent,
with the manufacturer, we might

1136
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,560
do that.
But at the end of the day that's

1137
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,840
going to the ticket price that
is going to hit the ticket price

1138
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,720
at some in some way or another
as as it would if it was a

1139
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,000
bottle of water that is going up
by by that.

1140
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,920
So you know what I what I would
say is you know, I know, I know

1141
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,080
like I say it's lovely talking
to you and it was really nice

1142
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,600
doing my talk in front of a lot
of people.

1143
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:41,400
But we need a conversation
amongst the the, the decision

1144
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,200
makers and the people.
You know, people with like

1145
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,840
myself, like John Huddleston,
like John Wiseman, like Yvonne,

1146
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,360
all these people that are
sitting really at the top of

1147
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,120
this thing.
We need to sit down and we need

1148
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,920
to and we need to be get serious
about this because we are we're

1149
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:02,040
we're we're we're doing so much
unnecessary damage by by you

1150
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,320
know the timelines that we're
we're allowing ourselves to you

1151
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,800
know being presented with and
and and it's pushing the price

1152
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,960
up it's not you know there's a
30% import duty obviously on

1153
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,560
Chinese product that that that
you know all the promoters are

1154
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,120
asking us why is everything so
much more expensive why is it

1155
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,200
30% more expensive.
Well, some of it, yes, is is

1156
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,880
duties and stuff like that.
But some of it, it's just a

1157
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,400
sheer factor it it we're having
to.

1158
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,280
Mickey, I'll give you an
example.

1159
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,360
You know, there's there's a few
touring companies out there who

1160
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,800
I won't mention their names but
will use my company, Gearsource

1161
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,600
as a, you know, the last minute
magician, right.

1162
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,640
And so it wasn't this year, I
think it was last year.

1163
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:51,680
I got a call on December 28th I
believe for a show and they

1164
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:58,280
needed 100 fixtures that were
not available anywhere and they

1165
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,800
needed them delivered to
Nashville to rehearsals.

1166
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,880
And these 100 fixtures, you
know, again we're super tough to

1167
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,480
get.
We could get them, they were

1168
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,600
going to come out of Singapore
and they said OK, well no

1169
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,280
problem, you know, we'll we'll
take them.

1170
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,200
You know the lights I think used
it was probably 500 grand or

1171
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,760
something.
And so no problem, we'll take

1172
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,320
them.
And we said OK, let's put this

1173
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,240
all together.
And then they said and we said,

1174
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,160
you know, is there a, a drop
dead date that you need them in

1175
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,960
Nashville?
Yeah, January 11th and this is

1176
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,080
December 28th, you know, right
before New Year's.

1177
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,720
They're coming from Singapore.
You know, not only are they

1178
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,200
going to have to go air, but
they're going to have to go air

1179
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,240
in a very special way, like 100
moving lights in dual cases.

1180
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,080
They're not just going to pop on
any airplane, right?

1181
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,600
This is going to be tough.
So Long story short, we managed

1182
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:58,760
to pull it off, but freight was
$650,000 for $500,000 of lights.

1183
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,880
I mean, it was just insane.
It's Why did you wait?

1184
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,920
Until the. 28th You know why?
That's it in a nutshell, yeah.

1185
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,440
And and and sometimes that's
coming in cardboard boxes as

1186
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,800
well, like you say, because you
don't have.

1187
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,400
It's literally piles and piles
of cardboard boxes that really

1188
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,600
do have to be you know.
So I I think that we have a

1189
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,560
duty.
There's so much and there's so

1190
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,920
much that we are doing.
I think we the one of the big

1191
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,160
points is that we've come so
far, but we've got to keep

1192
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,400
going.
We've got to keep working.

1193
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,840
We've got to work together.
You know we have really come a

1194
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,440
long way you know that it's even
down.

1195
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,600
I remember having a conversation
years ago with with the

1196
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,880
promoters in Hyde Park.
At the time, it was Toby

1197
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,840
Leighton Pope at at at Live
Nation.

1198
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,760
And I I'd, I was like, you know,
we've got to do something about

1199
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,280
the plastic cups.
You know, there's there's a, you

1200
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,640
know, we did a calculation
there.

1201
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,720
We're like there's 1.5 million
plastic cups every night or

1202
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,400
whatever it was in the number.
But it was staggering.

1203
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,480
And he's like, Yep, let's do it.
Let's go talk to the beer

1204
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,480
people.
And they went off and spoke to

1205
01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:00,120
the beer people and the beer was
like, mate, we can't pour every

1206
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,680
drink when someone asks for it.
So you can't come up with your

1207
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,240
cup and we then pour you a drink
that that said we need to have

1208
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,000
hundreds of beers already poured
behind us.

1209
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,160
So when you woke up and won six
we give you a tray of 6 and you

1210
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,960
walk away with them.
So you can't do a 1 cup thing

1211
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,960
because the beer companies were
just like we how how does that

1212
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,600
work for us in our in our
dynamic.

1213
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,160
They I I'm way away from that
now but they seem to have made a

1214
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,720
lot of progress.
They've certainly made a lot of

1215
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,320
progress with the water bottles.
People are really used to

1216
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,600
showing up and and filling up
something and refilling it and

1217
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,800
stuff like that.
Did great work at Coachella I

1218
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,000
believe on that and and also in
Hyde Park.

1219
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,200
So, so we've really come a long
way but we've we've got to you

1220
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,840
know we've got to be a little
bit more you know we've we've

1221
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,280
we've got to drive this a little
bit.

1222
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,120
The industry has to take
ownership some of it.

1223
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,120
Is just simply common sense to
Mickey.

1224
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:55,360
Like it's not this, you know,
certainly there's some politics

1225
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,160
in in involved in all of this
where people say you know,

1226
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,200
regardless of which side you're
on, you know whether climate

1227
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,560
change is ridiculous and it's
not true and there is no such

1228
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,560
thing or climate change is going
to end us all and it's the most

1229
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,760
important thing today.
Neither of those really matters

1230
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,560
in in this conversation because
it's common sense.

1231
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,040
It not only does it save the
company money and ultimately

1232
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,440
save, you know, the end ticket
purchaser money, the fan money,

1233
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,400
but it's just common sense.
These are easy solutions to to

1234
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,120
problems that are either this
big, you know, and and the end

1235
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,920
of the earth or they're this big
and maybe the earth will

1236
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,880
continue operating.
But still, where you gonna put

1237
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,560
all this plastic?
And you know our producer who

1238
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:42,520
who is British Sarah lives on an
island, Crete.

1239
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,800
And she's telling me all the
time about the fact that there's

1240
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,800
nowhere to put garbage.
So people just put it

1241
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,880
everywhere.
And you know you'll go to these

1242
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,920
beautiful beaches and they'll
just be lined with plastic and

1243
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,400
trash and junk and whatever
because what are you going to do

1244
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,360
with it?
You know it's a a pretty tiny

1245
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,840
island, right?
So you know something has to be

1246
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,560
done obviously.
And you know, the other thing

1247
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,640
is, and and this may sound
self-serving, but I find a lot

1248
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:16,760
of companies will buy lights
that they could easily rent or

1249
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,840
they'll buy new lights that they
could easily buy used ones.

1250
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,720
And it doesn't make a lot of
sense because I think right now

1251
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,640
the world probably has, you
know, 3 million lights and only

1252
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,160
needs 2 million or whatever that
number is, right?

1253
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,880
And so there's a lot of stuff
sitting out there, stale,

1254
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,040
stagnant, not doing anything
right now because either a

1255
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,400
designer has to have that one
extra gobo or the one new

1256
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,080
feature or whatever it is.
And I know that I'm talking

1257
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,800
against what most lighting
companies would want me to say

1258
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,120
right now, but it's true.
You know, at the end of the day,

1259
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,200
we just have to be a little more
sensible when it comes to using

1260
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,920
what's there as opposed to just
specifying the latest thing that

1261
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,600
you got to have.
I think you're absolutely right.

1262
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,040
I think that the the point that
that Yvonne and me were talking

1263
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,400
about and I and I'd like to
bring Huddleston in and a few

1264
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,280
other people on this is like is
is developing something like you

1265
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,840
say at the end of a of a
document that shows you the the

1266
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,200
carbon footprint of the thing of
what of what it is you that

1267
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,160
you're that you've the decisions
we've made because all of our

1268
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,279
choices have consequences in
everything we do but

1269
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,359
specifically during this design
process and the bidding process

1270
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,800
and that and as we're getting
you know and and you know I

1271
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,160
think everybody wants to
everybody's trying to reduce the

1272
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,040
amount of trucks they've got
because of the financial costs

1273
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,439
and stuff like that they still
want to show and it you know so.

1274
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,160
Well, I'll tell you where.
Where it should happen is if any

1275
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,960
of you are using common bidding
systems, then whoever creates

1276
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,840
that system should just build in
a very simple AI model that

1277
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,240
looks at the quote and finds
those things and gives you 10

1278
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,399
suggestions at the end of it
that says if you use this

1279
01:08:55,399 --> 01:09:00,080
instead of this, you're going to
save X tons of of whatever and

1280
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,040
you're going to save $50,000 on
freight.

1281
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,760
If you use this instead of this,
this is going to happen.

1282
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,240
You know, we notice you only
like it.

1283
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,040
Basically it tightens up and
makes your your quote more

1284
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,880
efficient from a standpoint of
common sense.

1285
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,600
People, people, people might
like, like anything people

1286
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,359
might.
They can drive holes through

1287
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:21,439
that.
They would be like, you know,

1288
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,640
but really what it comes down to
is that we have to have an

1289
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,439
agreement on what those
parameters are, what those, what

1290
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,399
those levers are.
And it can't be me sitting here

1291
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,520
saying because I'll have a
slightly different set of

1292
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,040
criteria than someone like John
Adamson will have.

1293
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,920
You know, like for instance, you
know, like I say last minute

1294
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,200
airfreight from China in carbon
boxes to where it's the thing

1295
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,240
that kills me a lot of the time.
He might have something

1296
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,800
different.
He's a he's a he's a different

1297
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,080
thing as well.
He's he's lucky because he's A1

1298
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,520
location company as well.
He's got one location and he's

1299
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,680
got a trucking company.
You know, I'm in multiple

1300
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,480
locations.
I spend so much time and energy

1301
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:59,520
and money moving stuff between
locations that, you know, I've

1302
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,480
been in.
Nashville and patient.

1303
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,720
And they're moving that and so,
so you know, so I might have a

1304
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,600
different, yeah, I might have a
different set of criteria and

1305
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,000
levers that you can pull that'll
make it.

1306
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,520
But between us, if we, if we sit
down, you know, I might might

1307
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,560
try and take an opportunity for
the Lidditz, the gathering that

1308
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,480
happens every year at
Rocklidditz to really get with

1309
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:21,880
some of some of these, you know
sit, sit with some of the

1310
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,240
players and be like try and
build something between now and

1311
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,680
then that we can build into
this.

1312
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,720
You know, so that that's you
know that things like that.

1313
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,760
I mean, you said, like I said
before, I can talk for hours

1314
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,280
about it.
And I'm not an expert.

1315
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,800
I'm just somebody that cares.
Passionately about it.

1316
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,840
What we what we do, what we do,
and I want it to go on forever.

1317
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,840
I want the the young people that
are that are that are taking

1318
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,800
over my role to have the same
kind of experience that I've had

1319
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,920
and I'm scared that that you
know well.

1320
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,200
Mickey, that's where it starts
though.

1321
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,520
It starts with passionate people
in in powerful positions.

1322
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,360
Try say that, say that five
times really fast passionate

1323
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,560
people in powerful positions.
But you know, to me that's where

1324
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,960
it starts.
Like somebody says, hey, this is

1325
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,320
important and I think it's
something we should talk about.

1326
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,320
And I got involved in a lot of
those types of conversations

1327
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,240
throughout the whole COVID
thing, you know it it somebody

1328
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,240
had to start the conversation,
somebody had to use their voice

1329
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,640
to get the information out there
and talk about it.

1330
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000
And then from there you start
developing some solutions and

1331
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,520
and I think this is one of those
things like and it's just

1332
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,360
developing some common sense
patterns.

1333
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,080
The challenge is in our
industry, you know, if I say I

1334
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:36,560
got to have 1000 ABC lights and
you know, or my show just won't

1335
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,760
look as good as whatever and
you're saying no, look, I'll

1336
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,040
give you 1000 of these other
lights instead because they're

1337
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,800
here, We don't have to air
freight them in.

1338
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,840
It's going to save the
environment and blah, blah,

1339
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,520
blah.
You know, there's a competitor

1340
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,960
out there somewhere who's going
to go, yeah.

1341
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,360
Hey, Bob, I'll get you those
thousand lights, You know, do it

1342
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:53,680
with me.
I'll get you those thousand

1343
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,400
lights and.
I yeah, we we can't.

1344
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,000
We, you know, we, we can't even
agree not to, to drive all the

1345
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,560
prices into the ground.
So agreeing something like this

1346
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,680
is going to, people are going to
say it's almost impossible.

1347
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,120
It's really different.
But I tell you what, there's got

1348
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,200
to be a way.
I guarantee you that there's

1349
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,680
some kind of way where we can at
least improve it, because that's

1350
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,640
what we're looking for, is to
just do it better, smarter,

1351
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,440
smarter and more efficient, and
then we save money.

1352
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,320
Here's an example of what you
just said.

1353
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,240
So right after, I don't know if
you saw, but a couple weeks ago

1354
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:34,280
the Union was able to defeat 4
Wall and they're unionizing in

1355
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,760
Las Vegas in.
Vegas.

1356
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,720
And so I got a call and I won't
tell you who it was, but it was

1357
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:44,800
a a competitor to Four Wall who
said great they'll finally push.

1358
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,440
They'll finally have to push the
prices up.

1359
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,320
You know And is that really what
it takes though, that you get

1360
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,080
stabbed in the heart with some
additional cost or whatever to

1361
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,960
to make you make a a positive
change like that?

1362
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,120
Because you know I've literally
as big as all of you companies

1363
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,920
have become.
I've felt bad for rental

1364
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,240
companies for, for 10 years now
because the the math of it all

1365
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,520
like, you know, I'm old enough
to remember that you used to buy

1366
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:19,840
a a an Intelli beam for $2500.
You'd rent it for 175 or $200 a

1367
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,440
week for 10 years, you know and
then you'd sell it for 2000

1368
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,480
bucks, You know, I mean it was
just the math was really good.

1369
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Now you buy a light for $10,000,
you it, it's only a hot light

1370
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,520
for a couple years, and then you
got to buy the next version and

1371
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,720
you're renting that $10,000
light for 200 bucks a week, you

1372
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,800
know, So I mean, the math has
just gone all the wrong

1373
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,680
direction on this stuff, which
is why you have to have so much

1374
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,720
private equity involved now.
And and you need to, you need to

1375
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,560
have a very good, you need to be
able to move the gear.

1376
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,000
You need to be able to move it
on.

1377
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,480
You need to have a really good
distribution point to get it.

1378
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:01,160
Once it's stayed, it's still in
warranty and you need to get it.

1379
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,520
You know, you get it.
But the trick would be obviously

1380
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,440
like if I like, if you go back
to the plot that we were talking

1381
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,040
about, you know, you would have
the a Truss.

1382
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,160
A piece of Truss in my
experience is going to last a

1383
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,840
very long time.
And when it's finished, it's

1384
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,840
melted down and it's made into
another piece of Truss, you

1385
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,640
know, at the end of the day.
So, you know, so that's as green

1386
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,000
as it gets.
And then right the other end of

1387
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,320
it is the the moving light that
is only good for a year.

1388
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,760
It's incandescent or even the
LED lights now that are, you

1389
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,880
know, that you know, it's not.
Maybe they're maybe they need to

1390
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,880
be more modular, maybe maybe
they need to be fixable on the

1391
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,320
road more than you know.
They don't need to be sent back

1392
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,360
to be fixed when certain things
happen to them.

1393
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,320
Maybe they they need to be
modular and when there's an

1394
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,400
upgrade, you can slip the
upgrade in there like you can on

1395
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,160
most other things.
Not that you have to change the

1396
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,520
whole light.
Why would you?

1397
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,960
If something has just added a
color wheel or added a a row a

1398
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,960
gobo wheel or maybe a slightly a
lens altation, why would you put

1399
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,840
a a brand new?
Why would you get a brand new

1400
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:03,680
light?
Why wouldn't you?

1401
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,520
You know so well because that's
how the questions and answers.

1402
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,840
That's how the current economy
works, you know.

1403
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,040
And sound is even worse than
lighting at this point.

1404
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,640
Like sound used to be where you
bought a speaker system that

1405
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,000
lasted 20 years.
You know, now like even just

1406
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,760
just look at L acoustic or D&B,
They're coming out with a new

1407
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,400
model, you know, once a year at
least, you know.

1408
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,400
And that new model suddenly
becomes, you know, if you're a

1409
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,000
top touring act, you've got to
have this new model system,

1410
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,840
right?
And that might be $2,000,000.

1411
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,480
You know, that somebody has to
go spend and it's just crazy.

1412
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,440
It's it's crazy.
To it's it's still I think

1413
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:45,440
there's still audio is still you
know you're the point you were

1414
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,720
making earlier about the
business is the business still a

1415
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,720
it's a great business to be in.
It's a it's still a great

1416
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,360
business to be in.
You know you buy something for a

1417
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,760
dollar you for $100 you try and
rent it for a couple of dollars

1418
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,080
a week and at the end of it you
know you you you try and sell it

1419
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,240
or or yeah or whatever.
So, yeah.

1420
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,640
And then there's everything else
that goes with it.

1421
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,800
It it's exciting.
It's it's we're at the edge of,

1422
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,440
you know, the entertainment is
fantastic.

1423
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:11,320
We forget to go see shows.
That's the one thing that I

1424
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,960
would love to to keep to to
remind myself more often is that

1425
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,800
I can be involved in a tour and
not even see one of the shows

1426
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,480
because there's so many going
on.

1427
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,160
Not saying that the person who's
who's actually handling it

1428
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,560
doesn't go to so many of the
shows, like the actual business

1429
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,400
development, you know, person
that's within our company.

1430
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,640
But me personally, I forget to
go and you and then you go and

1431
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,800
you're like Oh my God, this is
like now I went to see Harry

1432
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,080
Styles a couple of times.
You know he's not he's not

1433
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,360
somebody that I would be drawn
to because of my history in in

1434
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,480
music.
And you know we've we've I come

1435
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:47,680
from a heavy metal background as
you as priest all those years

1436
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,120
but you know and and Harry
Styles, I went to see him in in

1437
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,680
in LA, you know it's a 45 minute
drive from my house and I was

1438
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,040
like hey, isn't it?
I went to see it.

1439
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,720
It was absolutely fantastic to
just exceed the beat the energy

1440
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,280
we have to remind ourselves
sometimes why we do this and we

1441
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,120
are lucky it's true.
So privileged.

1442
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,840
By the way, Speaking of Judas
Priest, you know, a band that

1443
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,400
has been on their deathbed for
25 years or whatever.

1444
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,160
Their new album is unbelievable.
I don't know if you've.

1445
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,680
Heard Oh my God, listen to that.
I've been a Judas Priest.

1446
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,320
Fan since the very beginning.
Their new album I'll tell you

1447
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:28,280
what Halford There's a song on
there called Oh my God, What the

1448
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,760
heck is it called?
I've just lost it.

1449
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,520
I'll I'll Remember in a.
Minute I'm going to, it's the

1450
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,280
first thing I'm going to do.
Trust me, whether the first

1451
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,800
thing I'm doing when I get in my
car is I'm just.

1452
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,400
There is a song on there.
I'm going to tell you what the

1453
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,200
song is called because it's.
It's.

1454
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:45,480
His voice, he's singing better
than he has in 25 years.

1455
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:51,040
I'm telling you right now, he is
unbelievable on this album, The

1456
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,160
Serpent.
And the king.

1457
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,880
The Serpent and the.
King, it's called I Want to Hang

1458
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,000
On.
Here we go.

1459
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,440
I'm sure YouTube's going to take
this down for me putting this

1460
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,920
up, but hang on you.
Got to hear his voice.

1461
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,720
You got to hear his voice.
Look at this.

1462
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,840
Hang on, hang on.
When his voice comes in, this

1463
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:11,920
phone sounds pretty good on
here.

1464
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,400
Exactly the time.
Sounds like the Sentinel, yeah?

1465
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,160
74 years old.
This voice was unreal on this.

1466
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,760
Album.
We could do a podcast called

1467
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:32,600
Mickey Kirvishly and Judas
Priest because I I did probably

1468
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:37,880
5 tours with Judas Priest from
about 85 onwards.

1469
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,800
And when they were the biggest
rock band in the world, you

1470
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,120
know, we were doing 2-3 nights
at Madrid Square Garden, We

1471
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,120
were, we were doing every ABC
market.

1472
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:51,000
And that was the time that it
was really was like being a

1473
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,480
pirate, being a roadie was like
because what would happen was we

1474
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,280
would be, we would be.
Every time we went to a city,

1475
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,360
they were, they had been waiting
for months for Judas Priest to

1476
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,720
show up all the kids, you know,
and I was a kid.

1477
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,680
I was 1718 years old.
So, you know, if I did it now

1478
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,160
and there'd be no connection
over there.

1479
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,200
But we were all the same age.
So we would go to a town and we

1480
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,480
were all in our teens and
everybody was waiting to see us

1481
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,760
and they were the they were just
the greatest rock band on the.

1482
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,160
They were amazing.
So I got to tell you a funny

1483
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:25,240
story.
So I was probably 17, maybe 18,

1484
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,840
long hair, probably wearing
leather pants or something and a

1485
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,040
Jean jacket.
And I went to see Judas Priest

1486
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,800
with a couple of my friends in
Calgary.

1487
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:40,040
And so this would have been 8384
probably.

1488
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,240
You were maybe on that tour?
I would have been there.

1489
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,320
I would have been there.
So.

1490
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,320
Yeah, you know I was naive as
hell.

1491
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,240
I was a huge Judas Priest fan.
But I was naive as hell.

1492
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,040
And I don't remember how, but we
got invited backstage.

1493
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,880
I I was friends with.
I don't know if you knew Bear

1494
01:19:54,880 --> 01:20:00,040
from Brimstone Productions.
He was he was the local promoter

1495
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,440
in Calgary for a number of
years.

1496
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,720
But anyways, I I don't remember
how, but I I got invited

1497
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,520
backstage and.
And so we go into the first room

1498
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,720
in the after show thing, right?
And there was no drinks or no

1499
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,240
anything.
You were just standing around

1500
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,160
with a crowd of useless people
with these, you know, sticky

1501
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,400
passes on.
And then me and a couple of my

1502
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,720
friends and a few other people
got invited into the next room.

1503
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,480
And now I'm looking around
going, it's all dudes in here,

1504
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,800
like all the girls are gone now
what's going on?

1505
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,200
And I had no idea at the time,
Believe it or not, I swear to

1506
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,280
God, I did not know that Halford
was gay.

1507
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,680
I was being selected.
I was one of the guys at the

1508
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,480
time.
Again, you know, long hair,

1509
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,120
really tight leather pants, you
know, the whole thing.

1510
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:51,040
I'm being selected to to be
introduced to Rob Alford.

1511
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,520
And so finally I'm getting, I'm
now part of like four people

1512
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,320
who's being selected to go in
and meet Mr. Halford.

1513
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,080
And I went, I got to go and I
left with my friends.

1514
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,840
I was out of there.
That was it.

1515
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,920
I was done.
Yeah, I remember.

1516
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,960
I remember the first time, the
first time I ever went into

1517
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,280
their dressing room after a show
and to do something I can't

1518
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,640
remember.
Then they were all sitting there

1519
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,560
with their Leathers around their
waist.

1520
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,640
They'd just come off and they
they'd taken their Leathers off.

1521
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,840
They couldn't didn't have the
energy to get them past their

1522
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,320
waist because they were so tight
or their leather outfits.

1523
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,120
And they were sitting back and
they were totally exhausted and

1524
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,120
they were listening to Diana
Ross.

1525
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,640
Ain't no Mountain High enough.
It was on by that and it was

1526
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,200
like they were and they were
just like the the opposite to

1527
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:37,800
what you would eat you would
expect.

1528
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,520
So then they're literally just
having a cup of tea, a cup of

1529
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,600
tea and a biscuit, listening to
Diana Ross and like it was, you

1530
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,000
know, other than Rob, it was a a
lot of it was a was the shower.

1531
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,080
It was a you know, it was my
dad.

1532
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,320
It was my dad that came up with
the idea of the costumes.

1533
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,320
He was he really why don't you?
They were looking for something

1534
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,760
And he he'd Mad Max had just
come out and he was like, he was

1535
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,080
like you know why don't we, why
don't you dress like they they

1536
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,720
they got the steals from Mad Max
and that's where they took a lot

1537
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,360
of the ideas from and stuff like
that to go but.

1538
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,360
You know, Mickey, it's funny
when you look backwards, it's

1539
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,280
kind of like dough, you know?
Because, you know, it's almost

1540
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,640
like they were taking the piss
because he was dressed like that

1541
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,400
whole cruising thing, you know,
with the chaps and the.

1542
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,640
And the hat.
And he had the whip.

1543
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,240
He'd come out with the whip.
And every day.

1544
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,200
None of us knew that.
There we go.

1545
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,240
Nobody knew it was gay, right?
I mean, I got so funny.

1546
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,600
I want to tell you a very quick.
I'll tell you a great, a great

1547
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:33,400
Judas Priest story.
Please.

1548
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:38,040
So what?
What my job used to be at one

1549
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,200
point during the show is I would
lift the staircase up.

1550
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,720
It was it was a, a, a, a.
We would cover the floor in dry

1551
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,280
ice and I would lift this
staircase up because we didn't

1552
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,120
have any hydraulics.
I would lift it up by hand and I

1553
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,960
would clip it off.
And at the back of the stage we

1554
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,440
would have two flight cases and
we'd have a Harley-Davidson on

1555
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:56,920
the flight case, on the flight
case with two ramps.

1556
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,760
And we would put Rob on the on
the on the Harley-Davidson on

1557
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,120
these two flight cases.
And we would shove him and he

1558
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,320
would go down the two ramps and
come under the staircase onto

1559
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,640
the stage through the dry ice
during hell bent for leather.

1560
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,920
And the band will be like hell
bent, hell bent for leather.

1561
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,520
And he would glide across
through the dry ice and the

1562
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,880
smoke would be low and he would
just stop in the front anyway.

1563
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,640
It didn't always happen that
way.

1564
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,600
So one night I lifted that, I
lifted the staircase, but I

1565
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,440
didn't lift it high enough.
And as he went under, it hit him

1566
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:34,560
on the head and the bike.
The bike went flying out into

1567
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:40,040
the orchestra pit and he,
unconscious, disappeared into

1568
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,800
the dry ice.
Oh my.

1569
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,600
God, it was me and MC Double and
and Pete Rowe and a few people

1570
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,920
were on the side of the stage
like we'd seen like.

1571
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,920
And of course it's my fault.
I haven't lifted the thing.

1572
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,240
Oh no.
And the band are playing hell,

1573
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,520
but forever so.
And the bike goes flying past

1574
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,120
them with nobody on it into the
orchestra pit.

1575
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,720
And we literally had to wait for
the dry ice to subside before we

1576
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,160
could see him.
We didn't know where he was

1577
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,880
even.
And then the first thing we saw

1578
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,960
was these, these big silver
boots appeared.

1579
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,120
Like first we'd see that as the
dry ice window.

1580
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,000
We see the tips of these big
silver boots.

1581
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,400
So we knew where to find, where
to look for.

1582
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,920
And then they would just go and
they just went and dragged him

1583
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,000
off in through the ice, like
their unconscious head all cut

1584
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,200
open.
But there was always a story

1585
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:25,880
like that.
Every night there was a Judas

1586
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,440
Priest.
You know Mickey, I think I read

1587
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:32,000
his book and I think that story
is in his book because as you

1588
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,280
started telling it, I'm like, I
heard this before and I'm

1589
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,320
positive it's in his book.
And his book, by the way, was

1590
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,640
shocking.
His it's it's shocking because

1591
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,680
it's a great book from a music
standpoint and just knowing the

1592
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,040
whole story and stuff.
But he gets really graphic on

1593
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,000
the gay stuff.
You know like to to understand

1594
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,960
you know that they were stopping
the tour bus at truck stops so

1595
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,920
that he could go in and get some
action in a truck stop.

1596
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,320
You know stuff like that and
very graphic.

1597
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,480
You know he didn't he didn't
hold anything back which you

1598
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:10,600
know God bless him he's he's
he's he's telling the truth now.

1599
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,800
But it it got you know I'm not.
I'm not.

1600
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,360
I would still like to read.
I would still read that book.

1601
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,840
I would I.
Oh, it was great.

1602
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,520
I'm glad I read.
Part of my life that was that

1603
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,360
was my youth.
That was that was his.

1604
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,440
And I would, I would come back
from those tours and me and Jim

1605
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:29,800
Lawford and a few of the other
guys, we would go, we would do

1606
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,160
Antiques Roadshow for like 2
months just to stop shaking.

1607
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,440
Yeah, after being on the road
with Judas Priest for six

1608
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:39,360
months, we would go and sit in a
car park and we would light some

1609
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,480
vases and some bowls of, you
know.

1610
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,760
And just the energy behind their
music, right?

1611
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,720
Yeah, just to get just a break,
yeah.

1612
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,880
Well, I don't know if you
follow, I don't know if you

1613
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,840
follow Cosmo on social media,
but he's putting every day.

1614
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,040
He's putting really great
pictures up of the current show

1615
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,280
that's out there in.
I think they were in Birmingham

1616
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,840
last night or something, but
that would have been.

1617
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,800
Huge, yeah.
It it looks amazing.

1618
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,440
The show looks and I'll tell you
what again, like, God bless Rob

1619
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,680
Halford.
That guy sounds better right

1620
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,320
now.
Like I I remember I saw them

1621
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,560
maybe 15 years ago.
I I saw him again recently, but

1622
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,400
I saw him about 15 years ago and
I said, yeah, they're done.

1623
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,800
Halford, you know, he was
walking with a cane and he just

1624
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:28,000
was sort of faking it, right?
And right now, I mean, he is

1625
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,840
sounding like he's 25 years old.
It's unbelievable how good he

1626
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,360
sounds.
It's crazy.

1627
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,800
I keep promising that I'll see
them and I don't want to, I

1628
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,920
don't want to get, you know, get
to the end of them, get to the

1629
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,400
end of their career, I mean, not
see them again because yeah, you

1630
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,320
know, that was such a big part.
They're pulling it off.

1631
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,040
I'll tell you what, yeah,
Amazing.

1632
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,480
And Tipton.
Tipton I guess, came out and

1633
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:50,240
played.
I don't know if the whole night

1634
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,760
or half the night or something
in Birmingham Cosmo was saying

1635
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,240
so.
He was an amazing man and just

1636
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,880
one of the most wonderful.
You know when you when you as a

1637
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:03,840
kid when you start working with
a band like that you you it, you

1638
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,440
know you then go on to work.
I worked with Elton John over

1639
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:09,120
periods over the same sort of
period and and Eric Clapton

1640
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,800
obviously and stuff like that
and what it did for me was

1641
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,520
working with them.
It made me.

1642
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:20,440
I just assumed that everybody I
worked with was like that, Like

1643
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:22,680
they would just sit with you
whenever they would sit at your

1644
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,160
table in the in catering and all
that.

1645
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:28,240
And I think it just changed the
way I was with with artists and

1646
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,560
with things because I think
sometimes we put them on a

1647
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,960
pedestal and we don't, you know,
we don't like to approach them

1648
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,000
in the, you know, you know, you
know, sure, if you're working

1649
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,800
with Michael Jackson or someone
like that, you're not going to

1650
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,960
go sit with him.
But but just about everybody

1651
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,760
else, you know it.
You know, during my career I was

1652
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,400
so lucky that, you know,
everyone I worked with was

1653
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,400
weird.
The crew and everybody had

1654
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,560
relationships with.
We were.

1655
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,320
We were in it together.
It makes such a difference, you

1656
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:57,240
know, like when you've got a a
Madonna or a Prince was a weird

1657
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,800
one.
Like I remember I did something

1658
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:03,360
one time with Prince where it
was a club and it was like 2

1659
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,120
days before the opening night of
the club.

1660
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,680
It was in Miami and it was right
after he changed his name to the

1661
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,160
symbol.
And so I went to lunch one day

1662
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:17,600
with him, the lighting guy and
the, I think his manager or his

1663
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,080
tour manager or something.
And right before we went for

1664
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,840
lunch, I asked the the tour
manager, I said, hey, what?

1665
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,280
Just before we go to lunch, what
do I call him?

1666
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,920
And he says you don't.
And I said, well, what if we're

1667
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,600
having a conversation and I want
to say hey Prince, you know,

1668
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,360
blah blah, blah.
And he says, no, don't do that.

1669
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,080
And I'm like, well, so how do
you address him?

1670
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,720
No, don't, don't.
I'm like, well, this is just.

1671
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,640
Fucking weird, you know?
Like this is stupid, you know?

1672
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,880
The first time I met him, you
know, the first time I met him,

1673
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,520
first time I met him, he's, he
held his hand out like this and

1674
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,480
I told me to kiss his hand like
that.

1675
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:53,880
He literally held it out like
that.

1676
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,400
And I and I just went and walked
off and I just got, you know,

1677
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,520
like and I was with great
feeling games.

1678
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,960
And when I looked over like a
few minutes later, he was still

1679
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,240
standing there.
He was talking to somebody.

1680
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,360
He still had his hand out like
that.

1681
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,480
I was going to kiss you better
kiss my hand.

1682
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,240
Yeah, that was like that.
Was like the only time I had

1683
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,800
nearly met Prince.
Yeah.

1684
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:14,240
Oh my God.
So you know, one other question

1685
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,800
I wanted to ask you around this
whole sustainability and

1686
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,720
shipping and all that stuff.
I know I can't keep you all day,

1687
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,920
so I'll let you go here soon.
But I wanted to talk to you

1688
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,440
about this one.
Do you get involved in in

1689
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:28,600
geopolitics at all, Like in just
understanding, you know, from a

1690
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,520
standpoint of moving a tour
outside of North America, moving

1691
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,760
around the world, Like, you
know, all this stuff with the

1692
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,400
Hootie Rebels and and Suez Canal
and stuff.

1693
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,480
It has, it has caused so many
freight problems, obviously,

1694
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,760
especially in the region.
But even just, you know, ships

1695
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,920
coming over from China, you
know, it's caused problems there

1696
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,720
as well.
And I talked to Wiseman about

1697
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,640
this as well, 'cause I think
some people think you can just

1698
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,920
switch from shipping on the sea
to shipping by air.

1699
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,680
But I don't remember the
numbers.

1700
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:03,040
But you can fit like I forget
how many containers in a 747 and

1701
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,640
like 100 and something times
that many containers on a ship.

1702
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,160
Yeah, if you think about it,
it's a what we're dealing with

1703
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,000
is 40 foot containers generally
and you can get a lot of stuff

1704
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,280
in AC container and it's going
to cost you 15 grand, you know

1705
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,240
whereas you know it could cost
you 250,000 to air freight or

1706
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,360
three or four or 500,000.
Depending on, yeah, there's.

1707
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,200
There's less cost.
It certainly has an impact.

1708
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:25,400
Yes.
There's there's so much

1709
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,560
certainly has an impact.
Yeah.

1710
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,800
Yeah, but I mean, have you had
to worry about that with any of

1711
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,080
your tours that are out in
different parts of the world or

1712
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,240
anything Like is that, does that
show up on your desk at all or

1713
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,080
no?
It it's been in conversations

1714
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,360
but it's generally what's
happening now is the you know

1715
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,760
one of the things that we are
facing I guess is that the the

1716
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,240
revenue that's been generated
from from shows is so vast.

1717
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,440
It's so you know if you look we
all read Polestar and we all we

1718
01:30:55,440 --> 01:31:00,040
all look at the you know the the
the the the you know just the if

1719
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,760
you're just looking at ticket
revenue for a lot of acts you

1720
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,240
know you know multiple
$1,000,000 every night.

1721
01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:08,120
So I don't know I'm not a
promoter and I don't know for

1722
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,160
sure but I would imagine that's
got that's impacting the fact

1723
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,000
that that the the festivals are
struggling to find headline acts

1724
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,000
because the headline act you
used to get paid a couple of

1725
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,160
$1,000,000 to the festival and
you'd be like this is fantastic

1726
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,680
it's easy and all that but
really they're generating so

1727
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,800
much money from their own shows
now that couple of $1,000,000 is

1728
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,680
is their is their merchandise
cake on a on a normal night so

1729
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,400
so So what we're finding is that
yes I think it would have

1730
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,200
affected us a lot more because
what would happen was if you're

1731
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,520
going to Israel for instance
everything you know that that's

1732
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,040
going on there you would you
would that obviously you'd

1733
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:44,200
there's there's a much bigger
conversation around that But if

1734
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,600
you were just using it as an
example of of sending stuff you

1735
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,960
would put it on a boat the
artist would take a week off and

1736
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:52,920
you would go do shows in that
region.

1737
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:57,320
Now they make so much money they
can just fly everything in to do

1738
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,840
a show and fly everything back
out again and So what we're

1739
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,440
finding is there's an issue with
there's no downtime anymore

1740
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,480
which is a big thing So there's
a lot of conversations recently

1741
01:32:07,480 --> 01:32:11,080
at the ILMC about about the the
well-being of crew and about the

1742
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:14,240
you know their when I was a
roadie what would happen.

1743
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:14,600
Is you.
Yeah.

1744
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,840
It was like you would go away.
It was like you would join the

1745
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,040
circus.
You would go away for a couple

1746
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,120
of months, you would come home
for a month and then you'd go

1747
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:24,280
away again and you'd make enough
money to come home and not have

1748
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:25,760
to work for the time you were
home.

1749
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,560
That was the game.
That was all it was about.

1750
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,480
Now I've no crew that I've not
had a day off for two years

1751
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,520
because they can fly the stuff
directly.

1752
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:36,920
They can, they can jam
everything in.

1753
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:42,080
So I I I would hope that for
people's well-being maybe it

1754
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,760
will.
Maybe these these global effect

1755
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,680
effect the events that are going
on, just slowing things down,

1756
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,640
maybe will slow down the actual
touring cycle and allow people

1757
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,960
to have some some breathing time
and some home.

1758
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,200
Time.
Yeah, Yeah.

1759
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,840
I mean, that would be, that
would be amazing, wouldn't it?

1760
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,200
So, you know, anything, anything
else, anything that we've

1761
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,760
missed, anything, you know, big
you see happening this year.

1762
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:10,040
Any crazy predictions?
Just looking at my board, I

1763
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,960
wrote a bunch of stuff down
there, but I think covered it

1764
01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:17,560
all.
No, like I say I know we just

1765
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,080
went through the International
Women's Day and I would tip my

1766
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,880
hat to to the way you know I
went to the the TPI awards in

1767
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:31,560
the UK recently and you know you
know as an example of the impact

1768
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,520
that the that the women are
making in our industry.

1769
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:38,200
I think half of the awards went
to females in the TPI awards and

1770
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,360
in you know to to you know
monitor engineers, audio

1771
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:42,680
engineers.
I don't you know, I don't know

1772
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,640
them by name because I haven't
toured for so long.

1773
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,160
But to me that was something
that really stood out to me was

1774
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,360
you know my wife Joe.
Joe Little was a we met while

1775
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,280
she was a production.
She was one of those early

1776
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,840
female production managers
production startup of the

1777
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:01,360
production system and you know
there wasn't that many females

1778
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,600
in the industry at that point.
But now it really that that's

1779
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,760
something that I at.
Every level, too, like lighting.

1780
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,960
Text attention to yeah.
Lighting, text, sound, texts.

1781
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,920
Rigor The rigor of the the
rigour of the year was a was a

1782
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,440
girl you know and that's not
being funny because it's like

1783
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:22,080
it's like you know why not but
also it was it was to me it was

1784
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,600
just like a revelation and I you
know I really I've I've been

1785
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,040
lucky enough to work with so
many great females.

1786
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:32,160
Joe McKay Yvonne from that
that's now you know very

1787
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:36,160
prominent at PRG you know and
and you know I'm surround myself

1788
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:39,600
with there's a lot of of of
females here at solar tech that

1789
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,640
I work with.
Yeah have done a great job.

1790
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,400
So yeah that was one thing I
wanted to make sure that I

1791
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,120
acknowledge.
Yeah, well, I mean, and there's

1792
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,680
some really great female
designers sooner and others who.

1793
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,400
Was like sooner was, yeah, you
can carry on, but sooner.

1794
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:55,760
She just changed everything,
didn't she?

1795
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,520
She was so such a.
She's such a beautiful woman,

1796
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,480
such a beautiful person.
And she did so much for for for

1797
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:03,360
that.
But yeah, but the.

1798
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:05,800
Thing is, Mickey, I think we're
now getting to the point, and I

1799
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,720
actually talked about this last
week.

1800
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:14,560
I had Miriam from from LDI on
the podcast last week and she's

1801
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,760
I think we're getting or we've
gotten to the point now where

1802
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,920
sooner is a great LD, not a
great female LD, she's a great

1803
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,800
LD.
You know whoever that was is a

1804
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,480
great rigger not a great female
rigger.

1805
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,880
Like you don't really have to
differentiate or or discuss

1806
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,800
their their gender as much
because they're just great, you

1807
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,680
know, and and and that's a good
thing.

1808
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,880
That means that that you know
that line has been crossed and

1809
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,440
it it doesn't really matter
anymore, you know?

1810
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,800
It's gone now yeah that that was
that's I think that's the point

1811
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,360
that we that we you know need to
as I said that that's you know

1812
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,480
we've got to continue to to make
sure that you know that we that

1813
01:35:53,480 --> 01:35:56,160
we support each other and
everything and and the two I

1814
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,920
think that the one thing as well
that that does concern me is the

1815
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:03,440
well-being of crew on the road.
I think that we during COVID, we

1816
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,480
had a lot of when we COVID
cleared and we had all these

1817
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:08,000
conversations about you know how
we were going to be different

1818
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,200
and this and that.
I would question whether we've

1819
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,320
improved or got worse.
It's gotten.

1820
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:12,840
Worse.
Better.

1821
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:14,160
Yeah.
I mean.

1822
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:15,840
I don't think that, yeah, and I
think that's a problem.

1823
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,520
Yeah, I agree.
But that's a tough one to fix

1824
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,840
because it's it's a compounded
problem with the fact that we

1825
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,760
have less crew available now.
So we're already short on

1826
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,120
people.
Every tour, every company, every

1827
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,600
shop is short on people.
A lot of the people coming in

1828
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:36,920
are new, which means that the
people who are are more veteran

1829
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,680
have to carry a bit more weight.
They've got to train the new

1830
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,520
people plus do their own job.
I just think that there's

1831
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,360
there's a lot of reasons that
that's probably not going to get

1832
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,720
better anytime soon unless
people just do less and smaller

1833
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:51,200
shows and that ain't going to
happen.

1834
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,360
So, you know, there's too much
of A financial engine behind

1835
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,120
this whole thing right now to
where we got to just find a way

1836
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:01,120
to keep up, right?
Yeah, I think that that you just

1837
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:02,560
made me think about something
about me.

1838
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:06,200
My how did I get started?
I was a 16 year old guy cutting

1839
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:11,400
gel at Tasco in the back room
and and I went to do a load in

1840
01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:14,520
for for Elton John at Bray
Studios with Steve Arch and all

1841
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:18,040
these legendary people and they
just said let's just keep him

1842
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,480
have another guy, you know, in
those days, you know, having

1843
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:24,800
another guy on the road, it
wasn't that big a deal.

1844
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,920
You know the buses had 12 bunks
and and it was they were going

1845
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,560
to pay me $100 a day if that
including per diem and

1846
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,200
everything.
So nowadays you know you put an

1847
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,920
extra person on the road it
changes everything.

1848
01:37:37,480 --> 01:37:41,000
It's so every it's just so
you're not getting that entry

1849
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,080
level you know.
You know I I just a quick story

1850
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:48,640
about Madonna years ago.
I had a call from from the

1851
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,640
production manager from Madonna
years ago and and he said look

1852
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,640
we're in real trouble with with
our follow up operators

1853
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,120
everywhere we go we can't get
consistency.

1854
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,240
It's a mess.
Can you send me four of your

1855
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:05,400
warehouse people to tour just to
do the follow spots And we did

1856
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,160
and we sent them four people
from the warehouse and they all

1857
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,360
ended up being Rd. guys.
You know one of them ended up

1858
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,800
Harry ended up being being one
of the best crew chiefs we ever

1859
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,840
had you know and he and he just
he was coming up and sweeping

1860
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,400
the floor in the warehouse and
he went out and he ended up too

1861
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,840
managing you know multiple shows
himself.

1862
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,920
So that those opportunities we
need to maybe that somewhere we

1863
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,600
where we should focus getting
those opportunities.

1864
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:29,320
Together.
Yeah.

1865
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:31,280
And sometimes it's just
education.

1866
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,520
It's just, you know, like Sooner
was the one who told me this on

1867
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:39,000
on the podcast, she said.
You know that the problem is so

1868
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,960
many people still see us as an
industry of gypsies and there's

1869
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,760
no money in it.
And you're going to go on the

1870
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,960
road and live this crazy gypsy
lifestyle and you're not going

1871
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,800
to make any money.
And it's not a career and it's

1872
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,520
just a way to have fun and meet
girls.

1873
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,560
But that's not really true
anymore.

1874
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,120
Maybe that was true at one
point, you know, when you

1875
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:02,760
started, but today you know a
person can make $100,000 a year,

1876
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,080
you know, in their first couple
of years touring and and see the

1877
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,960
world and have a really great
gig and learn some really cool

1878
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,640
stuff and meet some amazing
people and it can become a very

1879
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,760
good career.
Maybe if we made it easier for

1880
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,680
them to get a mortgage and
things like that, that might

1881
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,320
help, because sometimes that's
part of it as well.

1882
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:24,440
People are like, I can't even
get a a mortgage because I

1883
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,040
haven't got the thing.
Maybe that's something that we

1884
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:27,680
could.
Work on?

1885
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:28,760
I don't know.
Well, anyway.

1886
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,080
I'm.
Talking about it, paying

1887
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,560
attention to people's mental
health, having resources

1888
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,160
available, having one of the
sponsors of today's podcast was

1889
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,920
the essay, The Entertainment
Safety Alliance.

1890
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:46,560
You know, having organizations
like that who are looking at not

1891
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,280
just the safety of the gear and
the safety of the setup and

1892
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,200
rigging and all of those things,
but also mental health.

1893
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,160
Looking at at, you know, how
people are being treated or how

1894
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,360
people feel or whatever.
It's important, you know, it's

1895
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,560
important to pay attention to
these things, so.

1896
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,640
Yeah, yeah.
Keep the conversation going.

1897
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:08,240
Mickey, I appreciate you and
congratulations on all your

1898
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:12,240
incredible success and I'm glad
California has been so good to

1899
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:16,360
you.
You look amazing and I hope to

1900
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,080
see you in real person one of
these days as opposed to

1901
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,520
constantly on Zoom and frigging
podcasts and stuff, but.

1902
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,320
Let me know when you're passing
through.

1903
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,360
I'm around.
I'm in LA just to show you.

1904
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:32,120
Yeah, I was just out there
recently and had no time at all.

1905
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,880
I had to go for a board meeting
and I was in and out in a couple

1906
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,120
of days but.
I'll show you the new

1907
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,000
rehearsals, mates.
We have a we have a two.

1908
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,120
We have two rehearsal spaces
here in the middle of Hollywood

1909
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:42,920
that that I'll show you.
Oh really?

1910
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:44,120
How big are they?
Big news.

1911
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:49,440
They're about one's 8000 square
feet and one is 5000 square

1912
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:50,520
feet.
How?

1913
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:51,240
How?
Tall.

1914
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:57,080
You know it's big. 30 foot, OK.
So you could be.

1915
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,240
They're they're couple rehearsal
spaces.

1916
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:00,160
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

1917
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,640
We've got Peso Peso Pluma coming
in next week.

1918
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:06,800
Justin Timberlake's here at the
moment rehearsing or doing.

1919
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,200
He's actually doing a shoot in
there, film shoot, but then

1920
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,280
you've got peso Plumo here for a
few weeks.

1921
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,760
I think Jlo is going to come in
when she does her.

1922
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,480
Interesting Steve Dixon.
That's a big thing right now,

1923
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:17,920
huh?
Like everyone, everyone's

1924
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,480
telling me that, like, I had
Creech on a few weeks ago.

1925
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,360
And he said one of the biggest
challenges right now is finding

1926
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,520
space to rehearse because every
venue is full constantly.

1927
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,040
Yeah, yeah.
So.

1928
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:30,640
Cool.
Cool.

1929
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,560
All right my friend.
Really.

1930
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,360
I've really loved it.
I've really lovely talking to

1931
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,440
you as always.
And thank you for having me on.

1932
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:38,960
Perfect.
Thank you.

1933
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:53,880
Yeah.