#228 - Rocko Reedy

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Thank you for joining me again
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#228.
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Yeah,

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hello and welcome back to Geese
of Gear episode #227.

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I got things dinging all over
the place here and I've got it

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set on Do Not Disturb, so I
don't know what's going on.

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And today's guest got a little
anxious and was trying to pop in

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45 minutes early, so I got that
one buzzing too.

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But anyways, thanks for joining.
Thanks for coming back.

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Did you check out that Creech
episode?

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It was fun.
Creech is always fun of course

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and appreciate having him on for
the second time.

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Look forward to having him on
1/3 and 4th and 5th time.

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Always.
Always a lot of fun with Creech

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and so if you haven't checked it
out, go and check that one out.

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I think it's 226, probably came
out a week ago anyways.

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It's been really popular.
As a matter of fact.

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We're getting lots and lots of
downloads on that one.

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Some great comments and stuff.
So yeah, yeah, it's fun Speaking

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of downloads and and just things
picking up a lot right now.

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It's fun to see.
But we're, you know, YouTube is

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something that we really started
with.

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Actually, video in general, we
just started with about 1/2 a

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year ago, six or seven months
ago, and just been playing with

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it, trying to figure it out.
You know, we started out with

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one or two views on videos and
10 views and 20 views.

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And I mean, now it's getting to
a point where like yesterday I

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looked at one of the videos and
it had 6000 views in just 24

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hours.
So I mean we're getting

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thousands of views and it's
pretty exciting in such a small

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industry and niche industry is
ours to see that kind of an

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audience.
So thank you to everyone who's

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paying attention and watching
and listening to the podcast.

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We appreciate that very, very
much.

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And so today's guest should also
be one that'll go a little bit

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viral.
He did last time.

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He's always fun, he's always
entertaining and we're excited

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to have Rocco Reedy back on the
podcast he was on in 2021.

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I can't tell you what episode
number it was, but you can

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always search and find it.
And of course a lot has happened

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since then.
And you know in 2021 Rocco was

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in an interesting place because
he was, he was very nervous

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about COVID.
He had some issues, some health

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issues that he was dealing with
and and therefore, you know was

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definitely on edge and he showed
it on our podcast.

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We talked about it quite a bit.
But anyways, Rocco was stage

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manager for 30 years for U2 and
just finally recently he visited

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the Sphere in Las Vegas where he
got to watch the gig, watch the

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the show in the sphere from
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So first time he'd ever watched
the show from the front, watched

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AU 2 show from the front as a
punter and as a fan and watching

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the faces, the band's faces.
You know, usually he was at the

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side of the stage as a stage
manager, but he spent the whole

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day with with Jake Berry and
with the band and and crew and

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you know, we want to talk about
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Apparently that was a very
emotional and and pretty amazing

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homecoming for him.
So look forward to having that

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conversation.
And Rocco's also continued

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making music and if you follow
him on Facebook you'll see all

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kinds of cool stuff that he's
been doing.

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I I really loved his.
Oh God.

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I can't remember what song it
was, but he's done some really

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cool cover songs.
Neil Young, old man.

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That was a pretty good one.
There was a bunch, but his most

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recent was a very cool rendition
of Sex is on Fire by Kings Of

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Leon.
And he uploaded that on on

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Valentine's Day, appropriately,
applicably.

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And you can check it out on his
YouTube channel or on his

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Facebook page.
So let's go ahead and get this

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going, OK?
It's just me and you, Rocco.

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That's it.
That's what they that's what

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they said in court.
And and we're recording now, so

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you got to keep the you know,
you got to quit flipping me the

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bird and stuff.
Rocco woke up in a mood today.

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Did you just Did you just give
me the finger?

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I did.
I did.

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OK, it's but it's OK if you're
just explaining something.

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Yeah, I was just explaining what
you were doing to me.

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You you woke up in a Rocco
friendly mood.

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I'm always in a Rocco, a
friendly mood.

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Yeah.
So we got a lot of things to

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talk about because you sent
Sarah some stuff that that I

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looked at and and was intrigued
and want to talk about that.

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We're not going to go through
your life story because we did

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that last time.
So people, if you're here for

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Rocco's life story, go back to
the previous episode, way back

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over there that we did in 2021,
where we talked about all the

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cool stuff you did 45 years in
touring, but you only look like

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50 years old.
So how did that happen?

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Right.
Clean living?

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Yeah.
Well.

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No.
Yeah, I think, you know, I think

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really alcohol and drugs and all
of the stuff that we do in this

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business is it Pickles you at
some point, like it just it

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protects you from bad stuff.
I don't know.

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No.
Well I'm.

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I'm a big believer that that
chemistry has a great deal to do

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with our metabolism and you know
your your body is an amazing

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thing and it will adapt to
virtually anything you know

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which.
Is what yes and why the species?

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Survive.
Yeah.

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So you know when you get when
you get up to an 8 ball and a

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bottle of Jack a day, your body
adjusts to it.

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You know.
And when you give it up

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suddenly, Oh yeah, really.
That was me.

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That that was the day before I
went into rehab?

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Yeah.
You know, you know, Wiseman, I'm

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sure, John Wiseman.
Yeah, very late.

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John Wiseman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Cuz John's been on the podcast a
couple times very good friend of

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mine and and we spoke at length
about his habit and the fact

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that, you know, he almost died
and borrowed money from his

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parents.
You know, after being so

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successful in all of these
lighting companies and stuff

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borrowed money from his parents
to go to rehab and save his

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life.
And.

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But he was there too.
He was, you know, half oz and

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half ounce of blow and a bottle
of Jack a day.

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Yeah.
So yeah that's not conducive to

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a long and healthy life in most
cases.

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But you know, I know a few.
No, but I my, my, my personal

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opinion of it is, you know, that
which doesn't kill us makes us

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stronger.
And I think going through that,

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you know, I've often wondered
what would happen if I never did

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drugs or alcohol or anything
like that.

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And I think I wouldn't have
wound up being the person that I

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am.
Yeah, because you have to face

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adversity to become resilient to
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That's. 100% true.
I mean, it's just like your

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immune system.
You know it.

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And I know that you probably
have differing views on this

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one, but you know your immune
system.

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If you wash your hands 42 times
a day and use sanitizer and wear

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gloves and wear masks and wear
body suits and all of this

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stuff, at some point, Jesus
Christ, Rocco, at some point

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you're gonna.
At some point you're you're

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gonna like the smaller bugs that
weren't going to get you before

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now get you because you know,
you've become so you know, I

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don't know, your immune system,
I think needs to exercise, you

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know, and and maybe some of that
pickled stuff inside your body

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needs to exercise too.
Like it needs.

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To I I don't want to get too
deep into the subject, but it

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brings up an important point.
When we started the whole COVID

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thing, yeah, I actually invented
this helmet.

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I remember you showed it to us
on the first podcast.

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Yeah, yeah and and it worked.
I didn't get COVID through the

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entire thing, but also I used to
get 2 colds a year and I and I

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believe that the common cold,
there's a reason why there's no

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cure for it.
Is it?

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It puts your immune system into
gear and make sure everything

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still works, you know, puts
everything through its faces and

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stuff.
But I haven't had a cold in

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three years.
Interesting.

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Yeah, and I and I don't wear the
the, the mask anymore, but I

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also don't spend a whole lot of
time in big crowds of people.

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The The only thing I've done
recently in big crowds of people

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is February 2nd.
I actually went out and saw the

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U2 show.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I wanted to talk to you
about that one too.

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But the thing I think, yeah, the
crowds of people is a big deal.

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Cuz the first concert I went to
after Kovid was a friend of mine

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was working with Dave Matthews
Band and bugged the hell out of

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me.
And I'm not a Dave Matthews fan,

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but my girlfriend and I went, we
both got COVID and and you know,

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we had to sign all kinds of
things and we had to wear masks,

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'cause we were going backstage
to the meet and greet thing and

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and and we got COVID.
So you know, I the crowds, but I

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think the airplanes are the
worst.

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Like, I think flying on planes
and and hotels and all of that

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stuff, That's where, you know,
airplanes, like I always got

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sick on airplanes in the past,
You know, I just think that,

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well, they just circulate that,
that crappy air and everybody's

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sick and coughing and blah,
blah, blah.

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But anyway I want to.
Get Yeah, but you ever notice

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when you fart on a plane, nobody
can smell it?

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I haven't.
Remarkably, that's not something

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that I've noticed.
You will from now on.

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Trust me.
I'll check it for sure.

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Like I'll I'll definitely test
that one.

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I'm I'm one of those people
who's a little too, I don't

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know.
I I can't fart on a plane.

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Like I would just feel really
bad.

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Like it had come out real loud
and everybody would be like it

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was him.
It was that.

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Guy.
Oh, no, no, no.

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When this when the flight
attendant comes down the aisle

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with a little Carter and
everything like would you like

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something to drink, Sir, I I
always just go pull my finger.

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You know you want to hear the
worst thing.

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And it happens like, every time
I go to Atlanta.

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You know how?
Atlanta has like I'd love to

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hear the worst thing The world.
'S longest escalator or the is

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it called?
Yeah, escalator in Atlanta

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airport like that goes from the
trains.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the
movie.

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Practically, yeah.
It never fails.

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Every time I'm going up that
escalator, somebody in front of

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me drops one, right?
And you got to ride the

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escalator through this person's
fart and you don't know.

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You know, it's one of those
three guys right there, but you

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don't know which one, and I hate
it.

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I always raise my hand and go.
It was me.

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Hey, it was me.
And take a bow look backwards.

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Below you.
Well, no, because then the guy,

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the guy who actually did it
turns around is like, no, you

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didn't.
It was me, you know, Because

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then, yeah, everybody wants to.
Claim it that.

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Was a beauty, you know?
Yeah, Jesus, I'm.

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I'm the other guy, so can we get
serious here for a minute?

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OK.
Thanks, Rocco.

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That was good.
I liked that serious moment.

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So what are you doing now?
Like, not right now.

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Well, for the longest, for the
longest time, I didn't use the R

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word.
Retired.

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Yeah, because, well, because
then, you know, then people

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think you're dead or, you know,
whatever.

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But then I realized, you know,
for for me it's just it's I

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didn't lose the passion to to
keep going on the road, but to

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be quite honest, I've done
enough.

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Yeah.
And and I I I have so many

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stories and everything like
that, but I don't think my

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experiences were done.
I just think my body physically

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told me you're done.
And I I didn't want to wait

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until I was bending over,
putting a yellow gaff tape arrow

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on the ground to die.
And I'd rather do something like

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a little cooler than that,
skydiving some shit, you know,

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But it just that's, that's not
the way I want to go.

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Unfortunately, not everyone
comes to that realization.

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Like a lot of people just
literally die on the road.

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You know, they they just keep
going till they die.

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Well, people our age too, they
make this, you know, self

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statement to the the the
admission to themselves.

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But if they didn't plan ahead
properly, nobody ever does.

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They say, oh you should have
$1,000,000 in a bank, right?

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Right.
If I had $1,000,000 in a bank,

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I'd go back and do a blow again.
Then I could afford it.

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No, but it's just you know.
But by the same token, if you've

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got problem that money can
solve, you got no problem.

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You know, I don't know if I do,
but but I get, I get envelopes

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every day with, you know, banks
wanting to give me $50,000 at,

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you know, 47% interest.
But you know, people in a it's

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we, we've been a credit society
for hundreds of years.

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So, you know, when I die, I want
to be extremely in debt.

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Extremely so.
You have no kids.

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Only furry ones.
Furry ones, yeah.

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Yeah.
Because I mean that's that's the

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challenge with dying in debt is
they do try to collect it from

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somebody else.
Yeah, it's not like they just go

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away.
Yeah.

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Well, and my wife is a lot
younger than me, so it.

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Well, there's the problem.
Well, she's an attorney, though,

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so she can get out of anything
or into anything and that.

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But but no, it's just it comes
down to, you know, where you

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have to decide, well, what do
you want to do with the rest of

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your life when you do, say,
retire?

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So what I did, Because right now
I'm in my basement, and in my

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basement I have a studio.
And you know how you say to

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yourself someday I'm going to
dot dot dot and give yourself a

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goal or say, well I decided that
I was going to figure out how to

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use Logic which is Apple's Pro
Tools and use a video editing

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software which I've chosen a
Chinese company called

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Wondershare Filmora.
And I just I come down here and

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I'm not exaggerating when I say
this.

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I spend 8 to 12 hours a day down
here watching YouTube tutorials

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of how to do this stuff.
And I've also through my

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research into this I've found
that the best tutorials to watch

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and and you have to go deeper
into the Internet to get to them

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all but are from Indonesian 17
year olds because they don't

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because they don't speak a lot
of English so they get right to

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the point they don't bother with
it.

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Oh you know ring my bell and say
I've been subscribe and here's

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my latest project, don't really
listen to that horse shit.

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They just get right to the point
and tell you how to do it and

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they know how to do it because
kids minds aren't clouded with

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junk.
They just focus and they've not

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only figure out how to use the
program, they figure out cool

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shortcuts and cool things to do
where you mix effects to get a

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different effect, you know?
So I'm have.

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I'm just having a.
Blast.

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You know, I'm going down the
same rabbit holes on AI right

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now.
And like, have you got into any

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AI tools for recording or
anything?

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A bit.
But I find, you know, like I've

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been trying to do the animate
yourself or make your turn

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yourself into a cartoon thing.
Yeah, but all the software for

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that, what they do is a drug
dealer.

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They, you know, like you sign up
for the thing and then they give

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you points with your
subscription and with your

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subscription, you know, like I
have this one had 320 points.

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You got to go, OK, great.
So then I made 10 seconds worth

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of stuff and it ate up 300
points.

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So it cost real.
Money.

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Yeah, So.
And that was $7.00.

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So it's that old thing.
Oh, it's only $7.00.

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Like you know, anytime I buy a
toy for myself, I think how many

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grams of blow it it would.
Have been.

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As far as the price to it, you
know so, but so and I'm sure the

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technology will get better and
quicker and faster and less

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expensive as we go.
So, well, the challenging part

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isn't necessarily even using the
stuff because like you know, I

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finally paid for ChatGPT because
I was using it for free and and

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I was just doing the really
basic write me a blog about this

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and it was all bullshit.
It was all really bad quality.

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Like nobody wants to read this.
It looks like it was written by

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ChatGPT, and what it all comes
down to the magic of these GPTS

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is you're prompting how you
prompt it and you have to talk

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to it like a human.
And there's there's a whole

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setup to that.
So it'll start by saying act

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like you are a video editor for
a rock'n'roll band or for MTV

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videos.
Act like you are a.

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So you're setting up what their
role is, what the the A is role

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is and what you want it to
behave like.

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And then you give it very
specific instructions.

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I want a video that does this
and then it does this and it's

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going to be based in the country
and it's going to be la, La La,

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and then like, so there's a
whole process to how you prompt

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it.
And I'm just practicing and I'm

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getting better and better and
better at it and I find that

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when you can ace it, it becomes
like your best employee like it.

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It literally is your assistant.
It does so much stuff but you

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got to know how to ask and and
it's mostly about talking to it

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like a human it it's really
crazy like that like.

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Well, just talk to it and go,
OK?

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I want you to sound just like
Vivek Ramaswami.

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And that.
Works.

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I know it does.
Yeah, And it's suddenly

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everything becomes very
enunciated.

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Something becomes very smart
sounding, but something?

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Then your whole computer system
does nothing but put Trump ads

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on so well.
But you know what though?

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Like one of the things I did
when I first got ChatGPT, you

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ask it tell me why Donald Trump
is bad.

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And then you say, tell me why.
Tell me why Donald Trump is

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good.
And and you know, then you can

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set it up and you can say, OK,
act like a Republican and tell

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me why Donald Trump is bad.
Act like a Democrat and tell me

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why Donald Trump is good and you
can mess with it and and you

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really get some interesting
information out of it.

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You know.
So that's the thing.

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Like that was the thing I didn't
understand when I first got

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ChatGPT.
And I kept telling people I

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don't get it.
I don't get this AI thing.

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But it's all down to the
prompts.

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It's it's how you ask and what
you ask and how you lay it all

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out.
And you know, I mean I'll give

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you another example.
So we just started doing YouTube

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mid last year like probably
September of last year for the

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podcast.
We started adding YouTube into

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it as well and therefore
recording video.

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And so, you know, we learned
about this thing called shorts.

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And I'm sure you knew, you know,
what YouTube shorts are like.

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I've seen them, but I didn't
know how to create them.

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So we went and learned how to
create shorts.

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Sarah and I figured it out and
we were like, Oh my God, we've

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seen, you know, Jesus himself.
Like this is incredible.

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And so, but it was a lot of
work.

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Like I'd record a podcast with
you and then it'd take Me 2

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hours to go and clip like 5 or 6
shorts out of it so that we

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could play these shorts.
Well, we found an AI app that

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basically watches your podcast
based on like it looks for a

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hook first.
So it's looking for an idea or a

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concept that is strong and it's
balancing.

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It's weighing everything against
what goes viral on YouTube.

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And so it finds clips,
basically.

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It captions those clips really
nicely.

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It repositions us like on top of
each other, You big me smaller

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because you're the guest or
whatever.

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Like it does all this stuff
automatically and within like a

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minute you've got like 10 clips.
It's crazy.

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It's crazy.
OK, you want to know why?

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And this is not a conspiracy
theory, but I boring story

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short, I know a lot of extremely
smart people.

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What's going on with AI and
what's going to happen with AI

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within the next 10 years, if not
faster, because everything goes

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exponentially.
As far as you know, the

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progression of technology is AI
is studying us and not because

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it wants to take over the world
like in Terminator or something

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like that.
It's studying us because it

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wants to serve us better,
believe it or not.

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But what it's going to come up
with within the next 5 to 10

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years, and it will make a lot of
people completely get off the

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Internet, is there will be a
development of what I'll call

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for one of a better term, a
bullshit filter, OK?

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It will be a flawless lie
detector.

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So anything you put into it,
whether it's verbal or written

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or printed or you know whatever,
it'll tell you if it's the truth

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or not the truth.
Does it just start flashing on

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your forehead?
Fucking liar or something like

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that?
No lying.

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Bastard.
Think about it.

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If people couldn't lie anymore,
well, think about FaceTime.

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OK, Yeah.
Do you use it?

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Yeah.
OK.

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You use it because you're in the
media.

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Do you use it with your friends
and family?

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Yeah.
OK.

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People in general don't use it
because it takes away the

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bullshit ability.
That's interesting.

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That's the reason.
Why I use it by the way?

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Exactly.
I can't talk right now.

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You know, you're in a bar, but I
can't talk right now.

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I'm in a meeting.
You know, whatever.

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It takes away the bullshit
factor.

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What AI will do is by just if
you put something into it, it

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will tell you if it's bullshit
or not.

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You have to ask it for it to
give the answer and you have to

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use it.
But somebody could be, you know,

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while you're having a
conversation like this,

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underneath my thing and go, this
guy is totally lying, you know?

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Yeah, that's hilarious.
So how big would that be in

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Washington First?
Well, that's for sure.

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All of that stuff is coming.
Like that kind of thing is

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absolutely coming.
And you know, already like

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you're you're seeing live
translators, for example.

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So now instead of having a
translator talking to someone,

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you just listen to headphones
and in real time it's

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translating whatever is being
said in whatever language to

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whatever language you want to
hear, right.

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Real time.
Like it.

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There's almost no delay on it.
It's so ridiculous.

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And I've seen it working.
And yeah, I mean, I think what

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happened with these AI
companies, they started with

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some of the easiest stuff first,
but I think they have a plan

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that's way the hell down the
road and people are going to

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freak out when they realize
what's really going on, you

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know, and.
The technology turns over so

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quickly and people things come
and go, things people find

450
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,720
shocking one day, the next day
are are trendy and two weeks

451
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,640
after that they're fucking gone,
you know?

452
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,360
Well, AI ain't going anywhere,
you know, and.

453
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,760
So I'm just, I'm just saying the
technology and the people's

454
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,960
ability to use it or reject it.
You know though, it's like, it's

455
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,920
like a gun.
It's like, you know, certain

456
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,320
drugs, it's like it depends on
whose hands it's in, right?

457
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,880
So AI in the hands of of really
good people, well meaning people

458
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:07,240
is a very powerful tool.
AI in the wrong hands that, you

459
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,040
know, again, just like a gun,
you can use it to to save

460
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,480
yourself, to kill an animal that
you plan to eat for dinner or

461
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800
whatever.
Or you can use it to kill people

462
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,360
and steal stuff, or you can be
killed by it.

463
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,600
But so it depends whose hands
it's in.

464
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,760
Like, that's the thing that
freaks me out a little bit about

465
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000
AI is there's just as many bad
people creating AI as there are

466
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,400
good people right now, and
they're creating it for bad

467
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,160
things.
Right.

468
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,400
What are you pointing to me for?
I didn't do it.

469
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,560
Jesus Christ.
Or what are you saying?

470
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,720
Pull my finger.
Here you go.

471
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,680
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, back to that again.

472
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,240
I you know, on my bingo card
this morning, I didn't have

473
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,800
Rocco and Marcel talking about
AI.

474
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,160
Yeah, we're talking about AI.
And then all of a sudden sound

475
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,720
goes crazy and it does something
that I've never had happen

476
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,640
before where my mic was dead and
you guys could still hear each

477
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,560
other.
That was crazy nuts.

478
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,440
Yeah.
Never happened before.

479
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480
It's never happened before.
I swear it's never happened.

480
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,640
Like, I mean, people's mics go
dead, they unplug it, their

481
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Airpods die, they lose Internet,
whatever.

482
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,360
But I've never lost my sound.
It's never happened once.

483
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,560
It's so bizarre.
Anyways, no more discussing.

484
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,440
AIAI is good.
Thank you.

485
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,800
AI.
Thank you.

486
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,080
AI gods, please give us more AI.
We love AI Oh.

487
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,000
Stop licking his balls, for
fuck's sake.

488
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,200
OK, let's, let's.
All right, let's pretend like

489
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,320
we're just starting the
interview.

490
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,400
Good morning, Marcel.
Good morning, Sir.

491
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,440
How are you today?
Fine.

492
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Sir, good morning, Sarah.
Yeah.

493
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,240
How's my hair?
Is it OK?

494
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
It's fabulous.
Your hair's got to be fake.

495
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,680
It's fake, right?
No plugs or nothing.

496
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,040
Nope.
Really.

497
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,080
You dye it.
Well, yeah 'cause otherwise it'd

498
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,920
be really Gray.
Yeah, you'd have silver hair.

499
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,400
Yeah.
All right.

500
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Enough of the hair, Rocco.
Jesus Christ all.

501
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Right.
But I have to tell you where

502
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,360
that comes from.
What?

503
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,480
When you're on the road dealing
with internationals, people from

504
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,800
all over the planet and people
tend to get very passionate

505
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,680
about when they have something
to bitch about.

506
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Sorry, you should shut this off.
So then you somebody comes up,

507
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,840
for example, an Irish guy, Not
that I work with Irish guys much

508
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,320
but when you they come up and
they go ruffle, the guy came in,

509
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,840
what are you going to do about
it?

510
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,040
And I go, how's my hair?
Does it look like that?

511
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,560
In other words, it doesn't
fucking matter, right?

512
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520
All that matters is my hair, so
just.

513
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,160
You're you're just diffusing the
situation, right?

514
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Exactly.
Yeah.

515
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,440
So let's plug it back in.
Ask your first question.

516
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680
I want to hear about your U2
experience.

517
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,560
So you know, just to remind
people you worked for U2 for

518
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,640
like 30 years or something,
right?

519
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,000
As stage manager the whole time?
Or was that just where you ended

520
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
up?
No, it's I was their stage

521
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:17,960
manager from Zoo TV on and and
So what happened to the

522
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,960
admission, because it's not a
secret, is that I was in New

523
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,080
Zealand in 2019.
We were about to start a tour of

524
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Australia, New Zealand, Korea,
Japan and India and day before

525
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,720
the 1st show I had a stroke.
Just out of the blue, all of a

526
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,360
sudden my whole left side
stopped working.

527
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,600
So, fortunately, how lucky am I?
We were half a mile away from

528
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,840
the University of New Zealand,
which has the finest stroke ward

529
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,240
and research facility in the
fucking world.

530
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,560
And they took me.
Yeah.

531
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,560
And they took me in and they got
me working without major

532
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,760
surgery.
I won't go through all the

533
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,640
procedures of it because it
wasn't fun, but they had to

534
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840
leave me behind because you
can't fly when you have a

535
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,440
stroke.
And so it just suddenly left me

536
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,800
alone on pretty much as far away
from home as I can get.

537
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,040
No kidding.
And so you reflect and you

538
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,920
think, and you're like, OK, what
am I going to do with the rest

539
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,240
of my life?
And I decided at that point that

540
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:31,000
I was going to come home and
take a deep breath and admit

541
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,720
that it's time to call.
It a career, so you quit right

542
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,000
before COVID.
Well, that was the thing as I

543
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,520
got home, and as soon as I got
home, I was starting to think

544
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,440
about it again.
Go well, I feel pretty good.

545
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,120
And I'm moving all right.
And I bam.

546
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160
And I was like, OK, thanks for
the warning.

547
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,360
God, you didn't really have to
take out the whole fucking

548
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,000
planet to make your point with
me.

549
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,080
But no.
Kidding.

550
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,160
Yeah.
But yeah, that's when I went so.

551
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
But that was also the point
where I decided I was going to

552
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840
Start learning how to use logic
and video editing.

553
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,640
So, but with, you know, being
locked down and all the rest of

554
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,400
that and watching all of our
constituents get very, very

555
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,400
frustrated, I decided, well, I
should use this for something

556
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,040
for the people in our business.
So I got involved with Live

557
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Nation, who at the time was
doing a roadie relief, I'll call

558
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,200
it.
And they were in a in the

559
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,680
nutshell, they were handing out
$1000 bills to Roadies, which is

560
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,240
not a lot.
But when you're, you know, when

561
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,320
you're a roadie and you're
living paycheck to paycheck

562
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,360
because you have drug habits,
alcohol habits, and you know you

563
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,480
buy a lot of guitars and stuff,
then $1000 was a good stepping

564
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,720
stone until you saw, you know,
because at the time, nobody knew

565
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480
what was going to happen, didn't
have any idea how long this is

566
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,200
going to last.
They didn't have any idea how

567
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,920
long we wouldn't be having
shows.

568
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,520
So I started making videos,
First of all, to make people

569
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,920
aware of the project.
Second of all to just have fun.

570
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,360
And I went out and shot a lot of
videos in empty venues.

571
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,720
Yeah, you know, it's just.
So is that what that was about?

572
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Was that because I was going to
ask you why are your videos

573
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,600
always in empty venues?
And is that basically to show

574
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,640
what could happen?
Like, you know, we could get

575
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,360
back to empty venues again
someday or?

576
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,800
What?
Well, not that that's what was

577
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,280
happening at the time.
And and so I just did it just to

578
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,320
say, OK, it's still here.
Don't forget about it.

579
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,720
This is where we're from and you
know.

580
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,760
That's cool.
That's that's cool that you did

581
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,720
that.
I like that.

582
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Yeah, but I didn't want to.
You know, it's like you don't

583
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,400
explain the punchline to the
joke, you just tell the joke.

584
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,760
And so I didn't put it out to
people.

585
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,400
I just put it out as I'm done.
But I'm not giving up, so you

586
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,200
shouldn't either.
So was was your biggest video

587
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,760
the the Neil Young one or were
there others that were bigger

588
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,280
than that?
Because I know that one seemed

589
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,080
to be pretty popular.
That's it that that that did go

590
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,760
pretty good and I had a blast
doing that.

591
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,480
But but all of these videos, the
thing was, you know, for years,

592
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240
for the 45 years I was on the
road, I did a lot of music

593
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,160
videos with a lot of bands, you
know, and I would do some that

594
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,880
had budgets that were six
figures, you know, that that

595
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,560
were just insanely expensive.
So when I started doing these

596
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,600
videos, I set out to do it as
cheap as possible.

597
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Yeah, So I was doing everything
myself.

598
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,920
The only thing that cost me any
money was for a qualified drone

599
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,800
pilot, which I found this guy
who's just phenomenal and that

600
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080
and, you know, occasionally just
miscellaneous stuff, but I was

601
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,400
spending 10s of dollars rather
than hundreds of thousands of

602
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,880
dollars.
Well, you you did a.

603
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Great.
You did a really great job.

604
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,600
I mean especially like audio
quality, you know your studio,

605
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080
you must have some decent stuff
in there because the audio

606
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,200
quality on on your stuff is is
really good and it's.

607
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,560
Thank you.
I appreciate that.

608
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,640
But it's, you know, it's
learning from 17 year old

609
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Indonesian kids.
Yeah, and and are you doing all

610
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920
the instruments on these
recordings or?

611
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,880
Yeah, everything.
Everything except lead guitar

612
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,960
that have a buddy Chuck that I
went to high school with and

613
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,199
he's one of those genius guys
that worked for Microsoft for

614
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,000
years and years and, you know,
just really excelled in it and

615
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,159
stuff.
But he's a fabulous guitar

616
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:29,520
player.
Is he the guy that's on your sex

617
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,159
of fire, The one that you just
put out?

618
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,600
Yeah.
He's the guy that's in that

619
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,320
video.
Yeah.

620
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Yeah, very clean cut looking,
dude.

621
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,679
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,000
He doesn't belong with you.
Poor guy.

623
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,800
I know he's got it.
He's.

624
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,280
Got to be sitting somewhere
right now thinking, where did I

625
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,560
go wrong?
Like what?

626
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Did.
Oh no, not at all actually.

627
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,600
He's.
I'm trying to convince him he

628
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,239
needs to retire too because he's
a year younger than me and if he

629
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,719
could, if he retired, then I
could you know, we could do more

630
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,760
stuff and do green screen and
just like this just back and

631
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,240
forth.
But for for right now it's you

632
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,400
know I'm doing what I want to do
and I can, I can play leads.

633
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,240
It's just my leads all sound
like Neil Young.

634
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,680
Yeah.
Just like my voice, Yeah.

635
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,480
And.
Yeah, you do a good Neil Young,

636
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200
that's for sure, Yeah.
Well, and and I used I, I

637
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,760
actually worked for him for a
little while.

638
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:24,440
And you know, Long story short
he saw the video and it was

639
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,320
right after COVID hit and all
the rest of the stuff.

640
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,600
So he was, you know, I mean, the
guy's extremely well off, but,

641
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,320
you know, he was at home and the
word got back to me that he was

642
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,520
like, I don't care.
You know, I see, I see Neil

643
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Young and and he goes right now,
they just cut off, you know,

644
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,640
live or farm aid from me.
He goes, but I don't care, you

645
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,160
know, I I can put out records of
stuff that nobody likes but me.

646
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,280
And I'm married to Daryl Hannah.
My life doesn't suck.

647
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,680
I don't give a.
Fuck, I didn't know that he was

648
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,200
married to Daryl Hannah.
Oh yeah.

649
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,640
Oh, I.
Didn't know that.

650
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Wow.
I mean, I'm sure she's not the

651
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,280
Daryl Hannah we remember, you
know, from Splash.

652
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,480
And stuff.
But no, she still looks hot.

653
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:04,800
Really.
Wow.

654
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,560
Are you allowed to say that?
Yeah, I I guess you know, it's a

655
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,280
fact.
Well, the the AI guys that shut

656
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,320
off our sound might grab that
little clip, send it to Neil

657
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,480
Young.
Get you sued, Yeah.

658
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,360
I've been sued by bigger
paychecks than him, so.

659
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:29,200
Yeah, good. 111 thing that I did
happen to me is I did the best

660
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,720
thing that I ever did and the
biggest response I ever got on a

661
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:36,880
video was with Chuck.
I recorded Desperado by the

662
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Eagles, only I had I and I and I
told Chuck.

663
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,400
I go just throw shit on there.
That's the end and that's what

664
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,280
we like doing.
I like to make it our own by

665
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,880
just putting stuff in that you
shouldn't and sacrilegiously so

666
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,920
I go just fill it full of leads
from from front to back, you

667
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,600
know, just a little tagline
thing.

668
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,120
So he did and I go, God damn
man, you sound just like Jeff

669
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,400
Beck on this, you know, And it
sounded really good.

670
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,040
So I said let's do this as a
tribute to Jeff Beck.

671
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,960
And I put together a montage of
very rarely seen Jeff Beck

672
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,200
pictures and videos and stuff
like that as a background for

673
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,720
all of this.
And we put it up on YouTube and

674
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,120
it was on there for like 2 weeks
and got like 6000 hits and then

675
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Don Henley put a cease and
desist on me.

676
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,240
No.
Yeah, really.

677
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,680
Because you can't.
Do a cover tune on on YouTube.

678
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,000
Well, that's The thing is,
whenever I do a cover, I license

679
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,600
it through Tune core, which, you
know, they do the check and

680
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,080
everything like that.
And they had no problem with me

681
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,440
doing a thing because they call
it a parody.

682
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,000
Then legally I could call it
parody just because I changed it

683
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,760
so much with that.
But I think he was pissed off

684
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,840
personally because I did it and
I did it as a tribute to Jeff

685
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,240
Beck.
And I am, who knows, you know,

686
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,040
But but I did it to to as a
tribute to Jeff Beck because

687
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,040
right after we finished
recording it, Jeff died.

688
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,760
And I had worked with Jeff
through the years through many

689
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,320
different projects, and I
absolutely love the guy that was

690
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,560
devastated.
Huge loss, that one.

691
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,920
Well, and it's.
One of those things where you

692
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,080
just you never thought about.
Well, you know, someday we're

693
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,960
going to lose Jeff Beck.
Just you know, like someday

694
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,320
we're going to lose Paul
McCartney.

695
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Someday we're going to lose the.
Hardest thing about getting

696
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,920
older as your heroes, when your
heroes start dropping, you know,

697
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,680
like you just said Jimmy Page.
Like when Jimmy Page and Robert

698
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Plant, and you know, I mean
Eddie Van Halen already died.

699
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,720
That one crushed me, you know,
because I grew up on Van Halen

700
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,600
in a big way.
But yeah, it sucks.

701
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,320
But, but that's partially why
I'm doing nothing but cover

702
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,920
songs because I have original
material, but I don't, I don't

703
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480
want to put it out as my, you
know, right now I'm in my

704
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,160
learning stage learning how to
record and how to get quality

705
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,960
and put together good videos and
stuff like that and and you

706
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,080
know, I could do it but it's not
like I'm going to start a new

707
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,560
career as a rock star at age.
Seven, you know, it's like.

708
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,880
That just ain't going to happen.
So I'm just having fun.

709
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,920
But I also who cover songs
because I like changing them and

710
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,120
making them my own.
Because think about, you know,

711
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,200
like Beethoven and Tchaikovsky
and you know all of the great

712
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,000
composers from centuries gone by
the way they originally

713
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,040
performed the songs.
There's no recordings of.

714
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,800
But you know, the people and you
know through the years who

715
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,960
document this kind of thing, is
orchestras have changed, excuse

716
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,520
me, modified and changed all of
those things through the years

717
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,640
and made it their own as time
progress.

718
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,840
Because a good song will always
be a good song.

719
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Yeah.
But 100 years from now, what

720
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,600
will people still be listening
to?

721
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah, that that you probably The

722
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,800
Beatles.
Yeah, it's true, Probably.

723
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,600
Probably not, Nicki Minaj.
Yeah, but Taylor Swift?

724
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Can you imagine Taylor Swift on
a classic rock station 50 years

725
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:56,960
from now?
You know I.

726
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,760
Just don't see.
It.

727
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,960
Yes and no.
I mean, I actually admire Taylor

728
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
Swift a lot.
I think she's a great musician.

729
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,320
I think she's a great
songwriter.

730
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,360
But when anybody gets.
Business woman, you know, that's

731
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,720
what.
Well, actually, you know who.

732
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,280
You know who the brilliant
business mind is behind her?

733
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Her manager.
Her mom.

734
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,960
You know who her manager is?
No.

735
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,600
Her manager is Robert Allen.
Robert Allen is the brother of 1

736
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,720
armed drummer Rick Allen.
Yeah, he was tour manager for

737
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,320
Def Leppard, which is how I knew
him.

738
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,280
And then he was out as tour
manager for Tim McGraw and Faith

739
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,840
Hill when a young 17 year old
girl came on as their opening

740
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,440
act.
And he was the one who says I

741
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,120
can help you, I thought.
It was good, Mom.

742
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,120
Somebody because.
Well, her mom is definitely her,

743
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,240
you know, main influence and in
a protector and all the rest.

744
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:52,280
And her dad.
Yeah.

745
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Yeah, but Robert is a is, you
know, he's a business genius

746
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,640
when it comes to and you get
that from being a tour manager.

747
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,440
Well, he did OK there because,
like, she's made, what, $2

748
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,640
billion this in the past 12
months or something?

749
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Like, just an insane amount of
money.

750
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,200
But fame is a very fleeting
thing, you know.

751
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,640
Keep in mind, how many examples
are there through the years,

752
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,880
within the last 10 years of
artists who came, were huge.

753
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,480
And then bugger all for a
moment.

754
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Case an example.
That was it, LMA, or you laugh

755
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,960
my ass off there?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

756
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Yeah, all right.
They were poof.

757
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,120
They were huge and gone. 21
pilots, 2018.

758
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,600
Biggest band in the world today.
Gone.

759
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Yeah, yeah.
I mean it it's hard to stay

760
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,240
there for very long, that's for
sure, you know?

761
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,200
Like who was the other one?
The one who became a an American

762
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,040
Idol judge?
The woman?

763
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,840
God, I'm drawing it total blank.
Jlo because she's.

764
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Still no.
The one.

765
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,600
The one who's still on it right
now.

766
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,720
I don't.
Know I don't watch that.

767
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,360
Show Katy Perry.
Katy Perry.

768
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Yeah, she kind of went she Super
Bowl.

769
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,720
You know, and then gone.
Yeah, that's totally true.

770
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,240
I never thought about that.
Like she really disappeared.

771
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,800
Well, but it's media.
Yeah, yeah.

772
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,240
It's media control.
Let's face it, that, you know,

773
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,880
it was funny because at one
point in time I had a

774
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,600
conversation with Bono and he
was saying, you know, I just

775
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,320
don't think we're radio relevant
anywhere.

776
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
I go radio's not relevant
anymore.

777
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,640
No, it's Yeah.
And you know, it's like selling

778
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,200
records is not relevant anymore
because nobody buys records,

779
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,240
nobody, you know, they they
might pay for a stream, but they

780
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,280
get it as part of their service
because they subscribe to app or

781
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,040
you know.
Physical media doesn't exist

782
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,240
anymore.
It's gone.

783
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,160
It's over.
Well, and you think about think

784
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,200
about as far as the big picture
in time, it was here and gone

785
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,120
really fast.
You know, think about CDs, how

786
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,600
long were they around 10 years,
Yeah.

787
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Well, it was more than
cassettes, you know.

788
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,080
Cassettes, You know what's
funny?

789
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Have you, have you seen any of
these videos on YouTube or

790
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Facebook or whatever where they
go to young kids and hand them a

791
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,080
cassette tape and say there's
music on this, there's music on

792
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,560
this.
Can you tell me how to get the

793
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160
music off of it?
And like two kids are sitting

794
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640
there like probably 14 year old
boys or whatever, right?

795
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,160
And they're looking at it and
spinning it around and holding

796
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,720
it up to their ear and like just
doing all kinds of things,

797
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,520
trying to figure out how it's
going to play music, this thing.

798
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,800
Right?
And they are just completely

799
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,760
clueless.
It's hilarious to watch.

800
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,920
And all I think of is putting
the pen in one side of it and

801
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,000
sitting there like this to
rewind the cassette tape, you

802
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,120
know?
But.

803
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,240
Well, or, you know, like if, you
know, like the the rocket that

804
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,200
they sent out the Voyager thing
and it had an actual album

805
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,800
inside of it.
All right, yeah.

806
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,280
But it's like, you know, they
they send it out.

807
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,680
And if a species or alien race
finds it that's millions of

808
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
years more advanced than us.
How long is it going to take

809
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,040
them to realize that they need
to take a needle and scratch it?

810
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,360
Isn't that funny?
Yeah.

811
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Or or the other one that I saw
on one of these kid videos, like

812
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,760
showing kids something from the
past, is is a Rotary phone.

813
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,360
And they offered him, I think it
was like 100 bucks or something.

814
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,280
If you can make a phone call
within one minute and here's the

815
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,480
phone number that you have to
dial, right?

816
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,800
And they're just like, what do
you do, You know?

817
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,440
They have no idea how to work
this Rotary.

818
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Phone.
But where I'm going, where I'm

819
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,520
going with this conversation, is
that things turn over very

820
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160
rapidly.
You know, for example, you know,

821
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,040
it used to be if somebody said
to me, you know, a stranger, I'm

822
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,840
clerk in a store or something
like that, Well, what do you do

823
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,760
for a living?
And they'd say, well, I work for

824
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,280
you too.
They they're like, whoa or what?

825
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,280
You know.
But now what I find is, and

826
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,240
especially after I came home and
you know it was emerging after

827
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:52,880
COVID is anybody or the young
under the age of 30 has no idea

828
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,800
who you 2 is.
Think about it.

829
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,080
Think, think about it.
Well, I have to say the and and

830
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,080
then they think about it for a
moment and they go, oh wait,

831
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,360
that was that band that put that
album in my iPhone that I can't

832
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,120
get out.
Yeah, that's true.

833
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,840
Yeah.
And that's, you know, so it's

834
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,880
just perspective.
Yes, you and I.

835
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,440
We know who you choose.
So, you know, one time one of my

836
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,160
employees came.
I have a house up in in Western

837
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,280
Canada and a ski area.
And so he wanted to.

838
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
One of my employees came up
there with me one time and we

839
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,880
wanted to go skiing.
He wanted to rent some skis or

840
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,560
whatever.
So I took him to a rental place

841
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,800
and it was a cute, young French
Canadian girl, probably 2021

842
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,280
years old, who was serving him
there.

843
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,560
And he goes, wait, you want to
see how old we are?

844
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,680
And I said, what are you talking
about?

845
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,800
And she goes, Sir, what's your
name?

846
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,000
She's filling out the form.
And he goes Eddie Van Halen.

847
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,080
And she goes, OK, Eddie Van
Halen and your address.

848
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,760
And he goes, hang on a minute,
you don't know who I am.

849
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,360
And she goes, yeah, you're Mr.
Van Halen.

850
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,440
And he goes, but that name
doesn't ring a bell or anything.

851
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,880
And she goes, no, just because
you told me, now you know.

852
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
And he's like, he looks at me
and he goes, see.

853
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,520
And I'm like, damn it, wow,
look, Eddie Van Halen.

854
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Really.
But it's relative perspective.

855
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,600
People aren't stupid.
They just, it's not on their

856
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,440
feed anymore.
But some of that is down to

857
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:22,720
parenting because like myself,
much of my family and many of my

858
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,120
friends brought their kids up on
the same music we were brought

859
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,400
up on for the most part, right?
Like, my son loves hip hop and

860
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,400
all that stuff, but he knows who
the hell Eddie Van Halen is.

861
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,120
He knows who you too is.
He knows who Def Leppard is.

862
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,760
And you know he he knows all the
classics.

863
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,480
Yeah, so.
But you know, it's a, it's a

864
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,800
they may know, but they don't
necessarily participate in his

865
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:46,840
own.
Yeah, No.

866
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,200
You're you're totally right.
And things turn over very

867
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,040
rapidly and will continue to
turn.

868
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,840
And who knows in the next 10
years with all of this

869
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,920
technology that's kicking into
how far it will go and what

870
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,240
people's priorities will be for
that.

871
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,440
But I have always found that
there's always a need for a

872
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,600
simple song.
You know and and you know think

873
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,880
about that what what's a song
from 100 years ago?

874
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,640
I.
Don't.

875
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,720
Know exactly.
I had no idea.

876
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,240
Well, you know or or 200 years
ago, Camp Town ladies sing this

877
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:27,160
song.
You know it's and yet you don't

878
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,440
know who wrote it.
You don't know who performed it.

879
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,000
You didn't know anything about
it.

880
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,800
You just might know a song, if
it's base, if it's something

881
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,360
that was in a cartoon or a movie
or something like that.

882
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,560
And.
Christmas music?

883
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
What about Christmas music?
Like my girlfriend and I were

884
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
talking about that this
Christmas we were like, have you

885
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,440
ever noticed, like every God
damn year you listen to the same

886
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,320
100 Christmas songs over and
over and over and over again?

887
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,240
Like, are there any new
Christmas hits coming out aside

888
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,160
from Mariah Carey?
You know, like is there nothing

889
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,640
coming out in the Christmas
genre?

890
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,040
And it's true.
Like, I mean, really the the all

891
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,600
the classics are the ones that
get played over and over and

892
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,720
over again and they're all 100
years old or 80 or whatever it

893
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:11,320
is.
Years.

894
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Lots of years old.
So yeah, they aren't on the top,

895
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,680
but you know the yeah.
The The good news is the like,

896
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,920
social media has created such a
frenzy for live music, you know,

897
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,480
and I've brought this up so many
times, so plug your ears if

898
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,320
you've already heard me say it
1000 times.

899
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:37,320
But a couple of months ago.
Rapinoe from Live Nation did a,

900
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,720
like, I think it was during it,
one of an earnings call or

901
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,200
something.
But anyways, he came out with a

902
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,960
story, an article on, you know,
it had to do with growth.

903
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,560
Like, are you still planning to
experience the same kind of

904
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,240
growth over the next year or
whatever?

905
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,760
And he said, yeah, the growth
opportunity is massive.

906
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
And they're like, yeah, but how,
you know, like wasn't this just

907
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,720
a surge after COVID and it's
going to come back down again?

908
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,200
It was just a bump.
And he said no.

909
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,640
Here's why.
Like all of these artists now

910
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,880
have 10 or 20 million followers
on social media.

911
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,120
And he said our job in the
concert world is easy.

912
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,120
All we have to do is sell
tickets to 5% of them for an

913
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,320
entire tour.
And he's not wrong.

914
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,880
You know, 5% of a 10 million
follower, you know, country

915
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,880
artist or something is only is
is 500,000 people, you know,

916
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,920
globally, like that's all he's
got to do, 5%.

917
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,960
And so it really does go to
explain some of the drive behind

918
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,360
this just massive appetite for
live music that's still going

919
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,840
on.
Like I thought it was a COVID

920
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,280
bump but now it's something
else, like there's something

921
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,560
else driving this right now.
It's crazy.

922
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,600
Well, but think about it, and
I've had this discussion many

923
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,520
times through the years, is
since the Christians and the

924
00:49:54,520 --> 00:50:00,240
Lions, people need to come
together in Mass and it almost

925
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,600
doesn't matter who's playing up
on stage, which is why festivals

926
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,680
are doing so well.
Now post COVID is because people

927
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,760
just want to get out there, get
fucked up, make idiots out of

928
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440
themselves in front of the
opposite sex and hopefully, you

929
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,160
know, score.
But it almost doesn't matter.

930
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,360
Well, no, but you know what I'm
saying.

931
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,240
It's all part of the social
movement of what people do.

932
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,960
It's like, you know, people used
to say, what did you do last

933
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,560
week all, man, it was great.
I went to the show and I got so

934
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,720
fucked up, man.
It was so cool.

935
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
And next week I'm going to
another show and I'm going to

936
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,560
get even more fucked up, you
know?

937
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,400
You remember those?
I.

938
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,840
Slept in mud, you know?
And I showered in toilets, you

939
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,360
know, I mean.
It's but it but it.

940
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,440
But it it comes down to just the
experience of socialization.

941
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,360
Yeah.
And no, you're right with the I

942
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,920
mean, you and I, we've never
physically met, have we?

943
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,200
No.
And yet you know, we can we can

944
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,560
communicate like this and we can
tell that we're very like minded

945
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,360
on a number of different points.
But and and that's what people

946
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,920
need, is they need to go out and
find other shitheads like

947
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,680
themselves so they can be
stupid.

948
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,760
Together.
I think when when COVID took

949
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,960
that away for a year and a half
or whatever, people freaked out

950
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,000
and just went whoa, like that is
the biggest thing that you can't

951
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,960
take that away from me again,
like the ability to see my

952
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,600
friends and to congregate for
music or food or whatever, you

953
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,360
know, like that I think created,
you know, certainly the

954
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,760
festival, the drive behind
festivals, because I remember

955
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,920
before COVID festivals were hit
or miss, like a few of them were

956
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000
doing really well.
A few of them weren't doing so

957
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,880
well and you know, it was, it
wasn't like it is today.

958
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,200
Like now, you could call it the
Fart Festival and you'll sell,

959
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,480
you know, 100,000 tickets.
Yeah, it's crazy.

960
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,640
You know, think, think about and
you know, look up any page

961
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,280
relative to a festival and look
down the line up 80% of the

962
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,520
bands you've never heard of.
Yeah, a lot of.

963
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,440
And that's not, that's not
necessarily a bad thing, because

964
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,760
anymore, that's the only way you
truly get discovered by a fan

965
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,480
of.
Course by.

966
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,160
Playing live and.
Yeah, it ain't gonna be the

967
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,120
radio stations or whatever.
Yeah, nobody listens to, you

968
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,040
know, terrestrial radio anymore.
I mean, that just does this.

969
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,960
Like, I'm starting to wonder,
why the hell do I have XM radio

970
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,480
in my car?
Like, am I paying for this?

971
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,360
What the hell?
Do you want that for you?

972
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Know.
So I'm gonna get rid of that

973
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,400
too.
It's just a waste of money and

974
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:33,120
time and whatever, but so you
you finally got out to see the

975
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,440
The Sphere show, I heard.
Yeah, And it was, it was a great

976
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,880
day, great experience.
I went, I flew out on Friday and

977
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,400
I flew home on Saturday.
So I was just there for the day.

978
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,520
And you know, it was great
because Jake Berry, my friend,

979
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,760
my mentor and you know, my boss
for so many years, was very

980
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,840
accommodating.
A lot of the crew was still

981
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,280
there.
John Boss, who was my assistant

982
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,760
on the past few tours, took over
as the total stage manager

983
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,560
because he's the perfect fit.
And I I thought it might be

984
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,520
weird for me, you know, coming
out there, But it was, it was

985
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,600
like a comfy shoe.
It just, it felt right.

986
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,000
Everything was, you know, was it
was really nice.

987
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,520
And the only bad thing was that
the band was in the process of

988
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,000
getting ready to shoot a video
of the show with special cameras

989
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,120
and stuff.
Because after they leave the

990
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,400
sphere.
Yeah.

991
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,080
They're going to put together a
movie like an IMAX theater type

992
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,880
of thing.
Of course, show is built for the

993
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,400
sphere and they'll show that
there.

994
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,960
So you know it's.
Well, you'll hardly know the

995
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,880
difference.
Because, I mean, you know, as

996
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,560
amazing as that show supposedly
is, I haven't seen it.

997
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,960
But I've seen thousands of
videos and pictures and stuff.

998
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,200
Yeah, like, to me, the first
time I saw a video, I had to

999
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,600
look for like 20 seconds to
figure out where the band was.

1000
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,120
Like I couldn't find the band.
And that that was the only

1001
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,400
objection.
If there was anything to the

1002
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,280
whole spectacle of it is that it
does Who's on stage?

1003
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,320
The show is, is the venue.
Yeah, And and U2 is the perfect

1004
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,440
band to put on that kind of
show.

1005
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,880
But for me, it was really
strange because after 30 years

1006
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,120
of working for him and it didn't
occur to me until the second

1007
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,400
song, it's the first time I ever
saw them from out in front.

1008
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Oh.
That's wild.

1009
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,720
Without headphones on, without,
you know, lights going on,

1010
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,360
without being folk, you know,
For 30 years I sat behind the

1011
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,800
drummer and stared at Bono's ass
waiting for something to go

1012
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,440
wrong, you know?
And it was just, you know, I'm

1013
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:45,160
in the show and their
performance, it was emotionally,

1014
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,560
it was, I think I was quoted as
saying.

1015
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,120
I laughed, I cried.
It was better than cats.

1016
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,440
Yeah, that's.
I can only imagine what that

1017
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,200
would be like.
You know, like for 30 years you

1018
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,240
worked for them behind the
stage.

1019
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,360
You never saw it from out front.
And now suddenly you were a you

1020
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,360
know, you were an audience
member, the rest of the people.

1021
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,280
But the other thing that was
unusual too was to see them

1022
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,440
there.
And pretty much they were just

1023
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,200
performing a 30 year old record
Octone Baby, you know, and they

1024
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,400
they put the the major hits that
you got out of streets and with

1025
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,240
or without, you know.
And you know, they were focused

1026
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,040
on this movie that they're
putting together.

1027
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,400
So I only got to spend about two
minutes with Bono, which I kind

1028
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,480
of regret.
But, you know, after spending 30

1029
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,000
years from him, it's not like,
you know.

1030
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,720
Yeah, like we had a whole lot.
You know what's new?

1031
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,880
OK, well, I got new knees, a new
ankle, a new hip, and I had

1032
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,520
cancer in my face.
But other than that, what if

1033
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,080
you?
Know it's not like you're

1034
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,720
starstruck or anything.
You've been around the guy for

1035
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,200
30 years, so.
Well, and and that has been part

1036
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,080
of the successes our
relationship is.

1037
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,280
I met them originally when they
were an opening act for Jay

1038
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,000
Giles band back in.
Really.

1039
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,400
Yeah.
And they they were horrible.

1040
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,480
They sucked, You know, they were
young.

1041
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,560
They were, you know, just.
But they had this excitement and

1042
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,880
I knew that someday they were
going to be big.

1043
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,360
And then in 1990, what was I
doing at that .0?

1044
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,000
I was doing Aerosmith the Pump
Tour.

1045
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,200
So that was right when I got
clean and sober because I went

1046
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,920
through rehab with Aerosmith.
And after I finished, that was

1047
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,480
when I hooked up and started
working with U2 again.

1048
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:33,120
And the rest is kind of history.
But I had always been that old

1049
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,680
roadie from Chicago, you know,
and they had always been that

1050
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,640
guy.
You know, everybody in the whole

1051
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,240
U2 camp whispers when they're
around them.

1052
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,520
And you know, if you go into the
dressing room and wears up, if I

1053
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,640
go into the dressing room and
go, hey, where's B?

1054
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,720
Dude, I got to talk to you.
But I'm busy right now.

1055
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:52,520
I'm having dinner.
Yeah.

1056
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,680
OK, Chew with your mouth closed
and just listen.

1057
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,320
All right?
That's good.

1058
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,040
Well, but you know when you're a
rock star, you can't go into a

1059
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,560
711 and buy a Snickers bar
because you'd be mobbed.

1060
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:09,960
Sometimes you just need to be a
fucking guy and just be a dude.

1061
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,560
And I've always treated them
with respect.

1062
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,720
You know, you have to maintain
that employee employer

1063
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,040
relationship, but they don't
pull punches with them.

1064
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,800
And I forever lied to him, you
know, and and it's you know, one

1065
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,160
of my favorite answers to him is
like Bono came off stage and he

1066
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,680
was singing a Pavarotti bit up
on stage in an opera piece and

1067
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,400
he came off afterwards and he
goes, how did that sound?

1068
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,640
And they go, well, at least you
got sexy to fall back on.

1069
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,040
That's a good one.
So, but you know, but you know,

1070
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,200
just if you approach life
without lying to people by

1071
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,400
putting a sense of humor behind
it, you can get away with saying

1072
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,680
anything.
That's why I think you know

1073
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,400
nothing against Trump or Biden.
But I think the greatest

1074
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,200
president we could ever possibly
elect would be Jon Stewart.

1075
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,360
Yeah, moving on.
Yeah.

1076
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,200
I mean, it'd be funny, you know,
which was the same.

1077
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,360
Thing.
Which, by the way, was the same

1078
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,840
thing before Trump got elected
that I said, it's going to be

1079
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,200
entertaining, you know, no
matter what happens, God damn,

1080
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,720
it's going to be funny.
Well, that's the thing.

1081
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,320
It's you know is it will come
down to entertainment.

1082
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,720
Yeah.
Is what is what brings us

1083
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,440
forward as far as the society.
Because, well, and until

1084
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,480
recently, you know, the good
news was there were always

1085
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,240
checks and balances.
You know, there there was always

1086
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,040
a backstop like they couldn't
become tyrannical and just start

1087
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,040
nuking every country in the
world or whatever.

1088
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,800
Because you had Congress in the
Senate and there were, there

1089
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,240
were, you know, ways to keep
them sort of contained.

1090
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,760
And a lot of that, like, I don't
really want to get into

1091
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,400
politics, but I mean, the
Constitution is such a smart

1092
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,120
document.
It's like these people who wrote

1093
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,280
this thing, We're thinking of
things that we couldn't have

1094
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,000
even dreamed up, you know, 20
years ago, let alone today or

1095
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,440
let alone 200 years ago.
And and here the people are

1096
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,760
thinking of all these things
that we're going to try and do

1097
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,920
to each other and putting rules
in place to keep us from doing

1098
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,120
those things right.
Oh, you like the Second

1099
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,960
Amendment, where they said, OK,
everybody should have a gun, but

1100
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,560
keep in mind that a gun back
then was a musket that you had

1101
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,560
to load with powder and put a
ball in the end.

1102
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,360
Yeah, it's like, OK, maybe it's
time to change and adapt.

1103
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,840
But I digress.
Let's talk religion now, OK?

1104
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Yeah, perfect.
Good idea?

1105
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,200
No good idea, but.
Back to the U2 sphere thing, so

1106
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,280
thank you.
Like, are you so Mark Brickman,

1107
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,720
You know who he is, right?
You know Mark.

1108
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,880
So one time on my podcast, Mark
said he went and saw the stones

1109
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,080
with the, you know, the one with
the big iPhones.

1110
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,760
I think it's the most recent
tour, but it was the one with

1111
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,080
like it had four big iPhones on
screens, LED screens, but they

1112
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,080
look like iPhones behind the
stage and you know, one for each

1113
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:07,320
band member basically.
And he he said, you know, it was

1114
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,960
beautiful, like those screens
were really nice and stuff, but.

1115
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,240
He said I didn't like it and I
said why?

1116
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,960
And he said because that big
huge video screens, they made

1117
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,280
Mick look small.
Like when I looked at the stage,

1118
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,800
Mick looked tiny and and you
know that stuck with me.

1119
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,240
And so when I looked at the
sphere videos, it made you too

1120
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,960
look tiny, like they they were
literally hard to find.

1121
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,880
You couldn't find them in the
videos that I saw until I

1122
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,920
finally went, well, duh, there
they are.

1123
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,440
But even then, like, I mean if
look at this image behind us

1124
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,680
right now, you know, and that's
a pretty close up image, but

1125
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,800
it's still not easy to see that
you know that's Bono right in

1126
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,600
the center.
You know it's it's.

1127
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,960
No, but you know, think about
the technology improvements.

1128
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:05,280
It's wild where it's at 1080P to
3000P to 4K to, you know, 8K and

1129
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,640
and when.
Yeah, and when you're and when

1130
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,760
you're over the age of 50, high
resolution is not your friend.

1131
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,440
OK, that's true too.
And, you know, and that's what

1132
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,480
tends to happen.
And the thing I found amusing

1133
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,480
about the Stones thing of the
iPhones there is think about any

1134
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,720
concert you've been to in the
last 10 years.

1135
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,880
You look out at the audience.
What do you see?

1136
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,640
Yeah, yeah, a bunch of iPhone A.
Sea of people shooting the show

1137
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,400
with their iPhones.
So it's like, you know?

1138
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,800
Well, I talked to designers
about that all the time.

1139
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,400
Like, do you design for, you
know, a screen this big?

1140
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,200
You know, is that what you're
designing your show for?

1141
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,320
Because if you think there's
10,000 or 1215 thousand people

1142
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,080
sitting there watching the show
in the arena, but there might be

1143
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,400
3 million people watching it
online by tomorrow, you know,

1144
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,320
watching that video that the
guy's recording on YouTube in

1145
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,680
the audience.
So it's crazy.

1146
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,480
It is crazy.
So I think last time you were

1147
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,480
on, you had just recently got a
dog.

1148
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,160
Yes.
And your dog's name is Brynn.

1149
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:20,000
Wow, what an incredible memory.
Yeah, well, it's not a memory.

1150
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,720
I have notes, believe it or not,
I I do not have that incredible

1151
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,080
of a memory, but I do have good
notes.

1152
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,880
And so how's that going?
She's 4 now.

1153
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Wow.
So that's how long it's been.

1154
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,800
Yeah, it was a few years ago,
yeah.

1155
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,600
And I got to say that, you know,
it was the coolest thing I've

1156
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,360
ever done was I I decided, you
know, because I've always had a

1157
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,200
dog at home to protect my wife
and give her company.

1158
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,680
And so, you know, she only hates
me once a day.

1159
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,520
Just, yeah, all day.
But, you know, having a dog and

1160
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,280
spending that much time during
COVID, literally, she was with

1161
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,240
me 24 hours a day.
She's over here right now.

1162
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,960
Yeah, and she spends all her
time with me and I spend all my

1163
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,240
time with her, with the
exception of when I went to that

1164
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,000
U2 show.
That's the only time we've been

1165
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,440
away from each other.
And when she was a puppy, my

1166
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,640
hands were just ripped to shreds
from her, you know, playing with

1167
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,440
me as things, as puppies do.
But now she pays attention to

1168
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,840
me.
She's, you know, she's still

1169
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,840
willful.
Any any woman is like that.

1170
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,840
And even more so with it.
No, but I just, you know, she

1171
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,960
she wants what she wants and she
knows how to get me to do

1172
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,760
whatever she wants me to do, you
know.

1173
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:41,720
So she's trained me well.
But it's it makes you realize

1174
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:48,200
that there's more important
things than what you see on your

1175
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,160
cell phone each day.
And I was going to say on TV and

1176
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,320
others and having the look on
that dog's face when she looks

1177
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,120
at me each morning and says I
got to go out, It's just it

1178
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,680
makes you really, that's the
most important thing in her

1179
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,320
world.
And and you know animals, you

1180
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,800
know, just I won't get into the
whole metaphysical thing about

1181
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,440
it.
But animals don't judge.

1182
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,640
You know they love you.
Uncondition.

1183
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,000
Very unconditional.
Yeah, that's so true.

1184
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,640
And you know, the thing that I
don't like about animals, which

1185
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,600
is what most people love about
them, is they they need you

1186
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,720
because they really, they're
dependent on you.

1187
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,280
And I mean, at least at least a
human grows out of that.

1188
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,640
A dog.
Doesn't a dog need you from the

1189
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,680
moment he's born until the
moment he dies or she?

1190
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,280
And and so you know, for me, I
guess just with my lifestyle and

1191
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,480
everything else, I've just
always avoided.

1192
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,280
I, you know, my ex-wife always
had dogs and my son has a dog

1193
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,080
and all of that kind of stuff.
But I I don't, I've just never

1194
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,680
needed one.
You know, I'm just.

1195
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,360
It's just, yeah, it's I'm.
I'm so glad that I did because

1196
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,440
it taught me a lot about myself
and about about my reaction to

1197
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,120
the world.
You know, there's a lot of hate

1198
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,680
out there.
And that's that's the thing that

1199
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,440
I don't like.
And you know, and there's a lot

1200
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,920
of mean people out there and I'm
capable of being very mean.

1201
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,280
Trust me.
Ask any stage in on the planet.

1202
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,600
You know.
But.

1203
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,040
But it's what do you mean You're
sure?

1204
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,520
I'm sure.
You know, well, I mean you you

1205
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,840
worked for U2 for for 30 years
at a really high level.

1206
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,000
They played the biggest venues
and you worked with Jake Berry

1207
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,720
and so I'm sure.
Yeah, but you know what?

1208
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,480
I I have to say that that my my
years with U2 was a lot easier

1209
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,600
because, you know, we had a lot
of people who would come in

1210
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,400
there, special guests.
I never referred to them as

1211
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,200
support, act or anything else
like that.

1212
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,880
They're always special guests
and I want them to feel that way

1213
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,960
because you come in to the U2
world and it's intimidating.

1214
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,200
There's 200 semi trucks of
equipment here, you know, and

1215
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,240
and when somebody comes in, I
roll out the red carpet and I

1216
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,640
want them to feel special.
Not only the band but the crews

1217
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,800
and stuff like that.
And yeah, it's just because

1218
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,920
they're expecting someone to
just be a controlling asshole

1219
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,600
When you come in and you give
them, you know, comfy chair and

1220
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,400
a cup of coffee, it's, you know.
No, I heard that about you with

1221
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,640
opening acts.
Actually you took really really

1222
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,680
good care of of opening acts,
support acts on.

1223
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,400
Twitter because I remember
getting shit on when I was

1224
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,880
working for small and I I never,
you know, I've been blessed.

1225
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,880
I've never really worked for a
band just out of a you know

1226
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,640
starting up.
I started with sticks went right

1227
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,000
before they exploded in North
America.

1228
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,280
Nope, I'm talking.
I was joking.

1229
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,040
I got you that time.
You did.

1230
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,400
Hang on, Let me give this this
is.

1231
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,960
This is completely bizarre, like
I'm going to have to get in

1232
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,920
touch with this company or
something, because it's not my.

1233
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,480
Internet, I'm going to your very
in 20 seconds exactly what's

1234
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,800
going on?
Because years ago when I had a

1235
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:02,360
choice in the road, I had a
choice between a full boat Skype

1236
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,280
to Loyola University for
heliocentric theoretical

1237
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:11,840
astrophysics or being a roadie.
And I was like, who gets more

1238
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,000
pussy?
There you go.

1239
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,520
But what's going on right now is
that we're experiencing major

1240
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,040
coronal mass ejections from the
sun, which are messing with

1241
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,320
satellites and telecommunication
systems are.

1242
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,480
You sure it's not just the leap
year thing?

1243
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,160
Sarah says.
It's leap year.

1244
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,760
No, I'm pretty positive it is
going on there.

1245
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,120
Did you hear about ATT, AT&T
losing their whole system a few

1246
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,480
days ago?
I did, Yeah, that was that was

1247
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:42,760
the cause.
But they don't want to tell

1248
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,600
people.
That well, yeah.

1249
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,000
And I think there's mixed
opinions on that.

1250
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,280
I've seen a bunch of podcasts
and stuff about it saying, you

1251
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,080
know the.
Well, the only thing is is is it

1252
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,520
was almost exclusively AT&T and
the only reason others

1253
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,880
experience.
Anyway, we don't want to go in

1254
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,400
that direction.
Let's go back to it, to the

1255
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,120
subject matter.
So the roadies and rock stars

1256
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,600
thing.
I I watched that.

1257
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,840
Thank you for sending us the
link or I don't know if Sarah

1258
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:13,000
came up with it or whatever but
I hadn't seen his podcast before

1259
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,479
so I started watching a couple
of other episodes as well But

1260
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:22,160
this guy that you so just to set
it up here and people can go

1261
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:27,720
find this this podcast roadies
and Rock stars and find you can

1262
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,680
find Rocco on there and or
actually I might even just put

1263
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,640
the link in the in the show
notes.

1264
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,439
Are you are you talking about
this dimash guy from Yeah yeah,

1265
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,200
that was actually, that was on
the podcast by run by Joel

1266
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,479
Miller called Party Like a rock
Star.

1267
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,439
Oh.
Different one, not roadies and

1268
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,319
rock stars.
Party Like a Rock stars there's

1269
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,000
There's so many old roadies that
have podcasts now, but.

1270
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,760
So I was watching the wrong I,
so I went looking at the Roadies

1271
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,319
and Rock Stars podcast and I'm
like, I don't find the Rocco one

1272
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,479
anywhere on here, but I got the
link from Sarah.

1273
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,800
So, so yeah, so party like a
rock star.

1274
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,760
Right.
And here here's the scoop behind

1275
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,359
that.
He I, I did a podcast with him

1276
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,000
like this or just interviewing
old roadie want near old roadie

1277
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:20,680
stories and shit And then he's a
he's a very creative kid and he

1278
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,760
came up with this concept
because he knew that reaction

1279
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,920
videos are becoming popular now.
Yeah, you know where you have

1280
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,359
rappers that watch?
Girls in One Cup.

1281
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,720
The first time.
And now we're losing you on

1282
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,920
Internet.
Yeah, but he, he goes, well,

1283
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,960
would you wanna, would you like
to try this?

1284
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,720
And I was like, yeah, I'll try
anything twice.

1285
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,680
I don't give a fuck.
Come on.

1286
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,479
And so.
And we're looking at videos

1287
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,240
mostly of Japanese heavy metal
bands.

1288
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,640
Yeah, But also some Chinese and
some Indonesian.

1289
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,080
You know, the point being is
nothing that you've ever seen in

1290
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,320
North America.
Yeah.

1291
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,480
And I've always been fascinated
by that, you know, with as many

1292
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:02,280
times as I've been around the
planet with artists that I

1293
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,320
discover that are fucking
amazing.

1294
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,600
But you've never heard of them
in America.

1295
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,760
Yeah.
And and so, so I was like, yeah,

1296
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,840
I'll get involved with that, but
this.

1297
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,480
You used to be able to go into
import record stores and and get

1298
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,480
all kinds of advice from the guy
who owned the import record

1299
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:21,760
store.
Who'd be like, oh, you got to

1300
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,760
hear this ox Knox metal band
from, you know, wherever Germany

1301
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,560
or something.
And he used to just find the

1302
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,120
wackiest stuff.
And obviously YouTube is so much

1303
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,200
more convenient, but it's also a
bigger pool, like you got to go

1304
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,080
fishing in a huge pond on
YouTube and stuff.

1305
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,080
But, well, the thing a lot of
people don't realize about

1306
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,960
YouTube is it's it's very it's
divided.

1307
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,120
You won't see stuff on American
or North American YouTube that

1308
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,160
people in South America see or
in certain parts of Europe.

1309
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,200
There is some cross pollination
in some of it, but a lot of it

1310
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,560
is just picked out by AI.
Yeah, as far as what gets,

1311
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,680
Otherwise you'd have too much
stuff and all the reference ones

1312
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,640
you get down the side of a panel
when you look at any YouTube.

1313
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,640
Oh, also check these out.
Are just things where they're.

1314
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,200
No.
They're writing algorithms to

1315
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,920
try and decide what it is you're
looking for, and for the most

1316
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,120
part, either that or in some
cases they're trying to force

1317
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,960
you into a certain direction or
whatever.

1318
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,440
But, but that's why I I liked,
you know, what he was doing with

1319
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:29,680
that.
And most of the comments he gets

1320
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,120
are from people overseas.
So that that tells me that it's

1321
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,360
not shown through a lot of
things.

1322
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:37,960
So that's why I put it on my
Facebook page, just to see

1323
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,680
probably, you know, let people
know what I'm up to and see what

1324
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,680
kind of reaction people get.
Yeah, cuz that guy's voice I've

1325
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,280
never.
Holy shit.

1326
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,600
Like, yeah, this guy.
Demash, Demash, whatever.

1327
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,680
So go to Rocco's Facebook and or
is it on your YouTube channel as

1328
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,640
well?
It's no.

1329
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,480
If you wanna find it, Yeah, go.
Yeah, go.

1330
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:02,680
I found it on Facebook, I think.
Yeah, it's on Facebook.

1331
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,040
My, my.
Facebook and but I mean, there's

1332
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,280
this singer and he's, where's he
from Afghanistan or something.

1333
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,800
I always mispronounce it, so I
wrote it down.

1334
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,040
It's called Kazakhstan.
Kazakhstan, yeah.

1335
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,560
And if.
You look, it's kind of like

1336
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,640
centered in between Pakistan and
China and Russia and you know,

1337
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,120
there's a shit load of countries
there that all end in a stand.

1338
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,320
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

1339
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:30,480
And he, I mean, this guy just
looks like somebody that'd be,

1340
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,080
you know, either a valet at a
parking lot or a, you know, a

1341
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,640
guy serving you food in a in a
restaurant.

1342
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,760
But he looks very regular,
right?

1343
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,280
Like it just looks like a
regular guy, doesn't look like a

1344
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,120
pop star or anything.
And he starts singing and he's

1345
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:49,840
doing like everything from, you
know, what is it like, you know,

1346
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,240
tenor to soprano or something,
right.

1347
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,720
Like he's he's doing the low man
parts of a of an operatic song

1348
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:01,720
or a classical song all the way
up to the woman, high parts and

1349
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,000
everything in between.
And he's freaking incredible.

1350
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:07,480
Like that guy was just he blew
me away.

1351
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,920
Well, my first comment
afterwards was I asked the host

1352
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,560
if he ever saw the movie The
Fifth Element with Bruce Willis

1353
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,560
and that chick from all of the
Resident Evil things.

1354
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,760
And there was a character in
there that was an opera singer,

1355
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,280
alien performing, and she sang
all this stuff where it was

1356
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,160
starting off real long, go up
real high, just like he does.

1357
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,120
And they did it all with you
could tell they did it with what

1358
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,440
was the thing that raises and
lowers people's voice.

1359
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:36,080
Bitch.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1360
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,440
So they did it all with that
because you could tell it's kind

1361
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:40,840
of robotic sounding.
This guy is the real deal.

1362
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,600
And from what I'm told is he was
originally discovered on some

1363
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,280
Russian talent show performing
that song from Fifth Element.

1364
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,000
Oh, really interesting.
And then, you know, got moved on

1365
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,040
from there.
But point being, and there's

1366
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,600
tons of people I I used to work
for a German artist called

1367
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,720
Marius Mueller Vestenhagen in
1995.

1368
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,160
You've never heard of him?
Yeah.

1369
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,800
But in Germany, this guy is
huge.

1370
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,400
We would do like three nights in
a stadium, sold out and we would

1371
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,280
only play in Germany and
Switzerland because he was sort

1372
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,560
of like a Phil Collins but sang
in German.

1373
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,720
Yeah.
So it was huge there and the way

1374
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,040
I got the gig was kind of
strange.

1375
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:27,040
It was because I was stage
manager for U2 and it was, I

1376
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,320
think Mark Brickman just showing
designed the show, you know, so

1377
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,760
they had all these top shelf
players and stuff.

1378
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:39,560
But I got the gig because I had
done one show with David

1379
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,880
Haefelov.
Oh no.

1380
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,320
Who also is huge in Germany?
Yeah, I knew that, Yeah.

1381
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,360
As a singer, yeah, he could.
He could sell out stadiums there

1382
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,480
and stuff like, and I actually
went to high school with the guy

1383
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,960
if you could with the Hoff.
So with the Hoff.

1384
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,880
Yeah.
Oh God, I I don't.

1385
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,840
Put it on my resume.
But no, no.

1386
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,120
But anyway, But I've always been
intrigued by, you know, artists

1387
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,240
that are huge in other parts of
the planet, because I've been

1388
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,400
able to travel to these other
parts of the planet and also is

1389
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,040
incredibly interesting to me.
How many North American artists

1390
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:20,040
they've never heard of in Europe
or South America or Africa or

1391
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:25,840
Australia, you know, sticks huge
in North America, couldn't get

1392
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,760
arrested anywhere else on the
planet?

1393
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,480
Yeah, well, you know what I did?
I supplied a bunch of lighting

1394
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:37,000
for the Eagles.
Had to be right around 2000 or

1395
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:45,360
99 or something when they did a
tour that started in Moscow and

1396
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,240
Steve Cohen was the lighting
designer.

1397
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,920
And so I went over for the start
of the tour in Moscow.

1398
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,560
I had never been there.
I thought it'd be cool to go or

1399
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,280
whatever, and it was a really
cool experience.

1400
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,600
But opening night, they're
playing and, you know, I don't

1401
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,680
know if you've seen the Eagles
live, but the different members

1402
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,160
will play some of their own hits
as well, right?

1403
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:12,240
And so, you know, over here, Joe
Walsh steals the show.

1404
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:21,800
Like, no matter what, Joe Walsh
goes out and goes and everybody

1405
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,720
goes nuts, right?
For any Rocky Mountain way or

1406
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,920
whatever.
And over there, Joe Walsh would

1407
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,800
start, Life's been good and
everybody would sit down and it

1408
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,600
was dead silent.
And I'm like what the?

1409
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,840
Hell.
And then Glenn Frey would start

1410
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:43,080
like the song from the Warriors
in the city or whatever.

1411
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,600
Yeah.
And it'd be like they'd go or.

1412
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,240
No, not even that one.
What was the Glenn Frey song?

1413
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,280
Hot in the city or something?
I don't remember.

1414
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:56,480
But it was some bad song and and
they went nuts.

1415
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:59,240
Like everybody went crazy.
And I'm like, how did Glenn Frey

1416
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,840
break in Russia?
But Joe Walsh didn't like that

1417
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,000
to me.
Blew me away.

1418
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:09,240
Just weird.
That's just it was a different

1419
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,960
time.
Did you learn anything more

1420
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,600
about this Demash guy?
Like did you go down a Demash

1421
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,960
rabbit hole or was it A1?
And none no.

1422
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,480
Well, I looked up a couple of
things, YouTube videos, and

1423
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,840
there apparently was an issue
where people say he's lip

1424
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,680
synching, he's not lip synching,
whatever.

1425
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,240
It's, you know, yeah, the guy.
The guy is absolutely amazing,

1426
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,960
no matter what's going on with
his performances and stuff.

1427
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,440
Well, and he made the song.
Whether or not he's singing it

1428
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:41,400
live, I guess, like, I I
definitely have a thing with

1429
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,680
backing tracks that I don't like
a lot right now.

1430
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,920
Like, I know pop pants have
always done it and I've always

1431
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,600
written it off as, you know,
like if Madonna's got a run

1432
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,080
around the the stage dancing and
doing all these crazy things, if

1433
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,600
she has to lip sync every once
in a while, that's cool, 'cause

1434
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,720
like, that's exhausting, that
stuff, right?

1435
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,160
But when rock bands do it, it
kind of pisses me off.

1436
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:05,840
I don't know.
I, I, I, I tend to be a little

1437
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,880
more forgiving about it all.
Unless people go full villy,

1438
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,280
Milly vanilly with it, you know?
Yeah, but it.

1439
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,720
But if there's backing track
playing while they're singing

1440
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,840
it, I got no fucking problem
with that, you know?

1441
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,640
Really.
And and yeah, yeah, yeah, to

1442
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,040
each their own.
But I mean, I don't.

1443
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,480
I don't think it's a major sin
for artists to do it, because I

1444
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:28,920
know from as many artists as
I've worked through, I can count

1445
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,320
on one hand how many of them
play with track.

1446
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,320
Yeah.
Oh really?

1447
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,480
Yeah.
And.

1448
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,440
And.
So it's yeah, but let's say

1449
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,960
let's ask it a different way.
So let's say you're single and

1450
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,480
you're pursuing a girl, a woman,
and so you're on Instagram

1451
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:49,520
looking through all these
different pictures of these

1452
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,560
girls on Instagram or whatever,
which is kind of creepy anyways,

1453
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,040
but.
Or you're on a a dating site

1454
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,760
looking at pictures of girls,
and they're all filtered and

1455
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,400
doctored and photoshopped and
whatever.

1456
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,880
Isn't that like similar?
Like they're just trying to make

1457
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,760
themselves look better for you.
You know, you know.

1458
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,920
Agreed.
And you know it's a it's all

1459
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,880
about the attraction, isn't it?
Yeah.

1460
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,760
Yeah, but then you know, you
know, somebody grabs a guitar

1461
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,200
and sings you a song by a
campfire and you're like, holy

1462
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,360
shit, you sound horrible.
Like you sounded amazing on

1463
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,240
stage, but you sound horrible.
Now, no.

1464
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,520
But have you, have you looked at
my videos?

1465
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,560
Yeah.
OK, so on there, I'm playing

1466
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:36,640
everything.
Yeah.

1467
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,040
And I'm singing everything, but
I'm not.

1468
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,440
I'm not doing it in real time.
I'm just creating it.

1469
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,400
Yeah, I'm not talking about a
video.

1470
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,480
But no, hang on, though.
I know that I'm not a great

1471
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,880
singer, you know?
I mean, I can sing like Neil

1472
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,760
Young, but when I sing like
Rocco, it's nothing

1473
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,080
extraordinary.
It's not Demash or anything like

1474
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,440
that.
So what I try to do in my videos

1475
01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:59,800
is do stuff that nobody's done
before.

1476
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,440
I don't know if you saw my
latest one where it's a cover of

1477
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,720
Kings Of Leon.
Yeah yeah, Second Empire.

1478
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:11,200
In that one I put on a green
screen one green screen onesie.

1479
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,920
Oh, is that what that was?
I was wondering what that was.

1480
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,120
Yeah.
Exactly.

1481
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,120
And then I I had, and you know,
I shot it in this college

1482
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:23,200
outdoor pavilion type of place
that was like 1/4 hemisphere

1483
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,040
because I was kind of trying to
take a piss out of U2's full

1484
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,920
hemisphere.
Yeah.

1485
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,800
And I just put put stuff on
there and I but, you know, I, I

1486
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,920
put it on my body and stuff
like, 'cause you never saw

1487
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,120
anybody do anything like that.
But I went out and I shot that

1488
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:43,160
on a January morning in inside
this college thing.

1489
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,440
And you're not supposed to be in
there.

1490
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:45,840
But I just went in and did it
anyway.

1491
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:47,000
And I did it.
It was.

1492
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,520
It was 9.
Oh, you didn't ask for

1493
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,800
permission or anything.
You just broke.

1494
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,360
It rock'n'roll is not asking.
For it.

1495
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,120
That's hilarious.
That's good.

1496
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,680
And same thing with my Neil
Young things and all the empty

1497
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:58,720
venues.
I broke in.

1498
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,720
I didn't ask, Oh my God, I
tried.

1499
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,360
I tried asking permission and
they oh, you have to check with

1500
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,400
blah blah blah and woof woof
woof and.

1501
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,360
Fill out an application, pay a
permitting.

1502
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,520
Fee so.
So I went into that place and in

1503
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:16,760
one take on a morning in January
when it was 9°F out, I went in

1504
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:21,160
there and I shot my bit in one.
You know, one thing and I was

1505
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,560
like that's that's what
rock'n'roll is about.

1506
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,320
It's not about choreographed,
it's not about post cutting

1507
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,320
things together.
And you know, and the rest of

1508
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,600
that, I said this is rock'n'roll
and it cost me nothing to do.

1509
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,440
Yeah, yeah, that was the most
beautiful part.

1510
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,160
U2 is playing in a $2 billion
venue, spending millions of

1511
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,840
dollars worth of software and
hardware to, you know, create

1512
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,320
this big thing.
And I did it with an iPhone on a

1513
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,560
selfie stick.
Really.

1514
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,200
And you're using an iPhone to
record these videos.

1515
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,400
An iPhone 11, you go inside of
it and you set it for 1080P60

1516
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,280
frames per second.
Yeah, and and you get a great

1517
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:02,960
picture out of.
It Oh, that's awesome.

1518
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:04,000
That's really.
Good.

1519
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,040
Now now my next video that I'm
going to do, I'm going to shoot

1520
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:12,720
April 8th here in Ohio in a town
called Marion.

1521
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,640
And there's in Marion there's
this.

1522
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,040
It's Long story short, it's this
Roman Coliseum looking place

1523
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:25,720
that's a memorial to President
Harding, who was president like

1524
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,080
100 years ago.
And this building literally is

1525
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,840
100 years old.
It just turned 100 and I'm going

1526
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,480
to shoot it there with a drone
on April 8th because there's

1527
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:41,880
going to be a total eclipse of
the sun that day, 214 in the

1528
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,760
afternoon, where the sun was
going to go completely blank.

1529
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,000
So of course I'm going to do a
cover of Pink Floyds.

1530
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,040
Awesome.
Well, you know, brain damage

1531
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,720
into a clay, you know, the
lunatic is on the grass, that

1532
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,200
whole vibe thing there.
So I'm doing it there and I'm

1533
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,720
doing it with a drone thing, but
I'll use green screen to insert

1534
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,480
myself inside of this structure
and stuff like that, and then do

1535
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:09,800
it right as the eclipse is
happening.

1536
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:11,760
That's cool, because I can't,
you know?

1537
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,480
What you need to start doing
though, is you need to get into

1538
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:20,080
AI and start doing like the
animated Rocco with a band You

1539
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,360
know have have AI create a whole
band around you as well.

1540
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,880
And you still record all the
music and everything, but

1541
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,240
there's a band on these videos
and you're smiling like you've

1542
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,800
already got one in the.
That's exactly what I'm no,

1543
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,320
that's exactly what I'm going to
do, actually.

1544
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,400
That's awesome.
I look forward to seeing those

1545
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,200
cause and then just mess with
different cover tunes and stuff

1546
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,160
and that'd be amazing.
That'd be hilarious.

1547
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:42,720
I'd.
Love it.

1548
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,920
And that's why I'm doing, you
know, nothing but cover tunes.

1549
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,840
Because then you know, it's, it
gives people something to throw

1550
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,480
stones at.
Yeah, and people love.

1551
01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:55,360
Throwing stones.
But I mean, if these bands are

1552
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,240
causing you hassle on the
copyright and stuff, that sucks.

1553
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,640
You know, it's like hey, a 40
year old song or whatever, you

1554
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,600
don't want me to go do a cover
on YouTube?

1555
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,400
Come on.
Yeah, but you know what?

1556
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,920
I'm glad it pissed Don off
enough that he because he he he

1557
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,320
doesn't do it to everybody.
Yeah, he only does it to ones

1558
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,400
that are starting to catch on.
And they have.

1559
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,240
Yeah, I won't.
I'm not going to talk out of

1560
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,720
school, but there are a lot of
people employed with just making

1561
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,600
sure that the Eagle songs are
not being stolen from what?

1562
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,240
Well, now, I mean, they can just
do all that with again, AI.

1563
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,520
Like, you know, whether it's
images, videos, sounds,

1564
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,760
whatever, they can catch it all
through AI now.

1565
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,920
Don't tell those twenty guys in
Irving Azoff's office, because.

1566
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:39,640
Yeah, that's.
True.

1567
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,000
I don't go fuck with their gig,
man.

1568
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,920
That's.
That's funny, didn't you?

1569
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,520
Didn't you used to open for you
2 at some of the shows?

1570
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,040
I I opened for you 2IN Pearl Jam
in Hawaii in front of 50,000

1571
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,920
people because Bono dared me.
That's crazy.

1572
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,360
And then after I did that, the
other bands that I would go out

1573
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,520
and tour with heard about it and
and when actually, I first

1574
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,920
started doing this roadie band
thing on Journey tour back in

1575
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,240
2004 because we were out doing
the State Fair circuit and they

1576
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,840
didn't want to start playing in
the summertime evening with

1577
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,160
Journey.
Starting at 8:00.

1578
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,760
Yeah, they're playing under
daylight and the promoter said

1579
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,120
no, we're already paying them a
quarter $1,000,000 for not going

1580
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:26,200
to pay for an opening act.
So we just said OK, and we got

1581
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,760
up on their gear and played and
we didn't get paid, but it ate

1582
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,640
up time and we had a blast.
Yeah, that's.

1583
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,440
That's awesome.
And the audience was always very

1584
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:39,400
forgiving because they'd look at
us and just picture that we're

1585
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,720
them.
Yeah, just regularly.

1586
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,040
I I could jump off the stage
with a microphone and go 20 rows

1587
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,360
out and nobody's going to mob
me.

1588
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:47,920
If anything, they're going to
get out of my way.

1589
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:51,080
This guy's fucking nuts.
And I just, you know, stick the

1590
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,960
mic in their face and let him
sing along and just have fun and

1591
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,360
just have a blast, you know?
I.

1592
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,000
Remember last time you told me?
I think it was on a journey tour

1593
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,840
and you were on a day off or
something and you had a party or

1594
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,640
a BBQ at your house and the band
all came over and became a

1595
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,000
garage band at your house.
Yeah, that's the first place in

1596
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,160
my neighbors.
Yeah, what a great way to meet

1597
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,000
your neighbors.
But having.

1598
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,920
Journey there, playing in your
garage.

1599
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,800
But that's the whole thing that
I've used the keys to my career

1600
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,480
for, is just doing goofy crazy
shit that nobody else has ever

1601
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,160
fucking done.
Well, that's a good one.

1602
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,240
Like that one right there.
That's a really good one that

1603
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,720
nobody expects, you know, It's
very cool.

1604
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,360
It's like, I like all those
Jimmy Fallon videos where, you

1605
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,920
know, he's got him and Miley
Cyrus or somebody and they're

1606
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,960
all like, actually, I think Bono
did it, Didn't he Like where?

1607
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,800
We did it with you too.
Yeah, where they were disguised

1608
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:47,960
in the subway station doing a
song and nobody paid much

1609
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,600
attention.
Like they were just buskers,

1610
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,560
right?
And and then all of a sudden

1611
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,400
it's really Bono, you know?
Or it's really Miley Cyrus, or

1612
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,720
it's really whoever.
And those are funny.

1613
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:02,360
I like those.
Yeah, but I was there for that,

1614
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,760
actually.
And where you really and people

1615
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,160
recognize them before we
started, but they were just,

1616
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,400
they're on their way to work.
They're like, oh, wow, you you

1617
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,160
choose there.
OK, that's hilarious.

1618
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,280
It's like if you live in LA and
you see a movie star walking

1619
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,520
down the street, you don't go,
OK, I'm in LA.

1620
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,840
There's fucking Gene Simmons.
That's true.

1621
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,680
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, well, before the sound

1622
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:29,760
gods nail us again, I'm going
to, I'm going to let you get on

1623
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,400
with your day.
It's been fun and I want to do

1624
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,600
this again when things are
working a little better someday.

1625
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,400
OK.
But yeah, let's keep in touch

1626
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,320
and and let's get you back on
again.

1627
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,960
You're a fun guy to have on the
show.

1628
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,880
And always interesting stories.
Even though you're not touring

1629
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,200
anymore, you've still got
interesting stories.

1630
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,680
And I know, I know.
Well, we'll have to do it again

1631
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,800
one day.
And I apologize for all the

1632
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,920
technical glitches.
I apologize to you, to our

1633
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,120
audience, cuz that was a pain in
the ass.

1634
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,160
I apologize to Sarah because I'm
very intrigued by her voice.

1635
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,840
Yeah, she's going like this
right now.

1636
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,840
Yeah, I'd like.
I'd like to do some more

1637
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,800
Scottish for you.
Well, there you go.

1638
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:12,600
All right.
Bye.

1639
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:27,440
Yeah.