#218 - Geezers Of Gear 5 Year Anniversary

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Hi, Sarah.
Good morning, Good afternoon,

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good evening, wherever the hell
you are.

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Good afternoon now.
Yeah.

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Oh, so if it's afternoon, that
means the dogs are awake, and

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soon we shall be hearing from
the dogs.

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The.
Dogs will be joining.

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The It's 5:00, so come on, we've
got to talk fast, because by

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5:30 they'll be walking.
Geezers of dogs?

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Geezers of canine?
Yeah.

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So thanks for joining me today.
I thought it'd be fun to have

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you along.
This is a very special episode.

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And I can tell you that in
January of 2019, I never thought

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necessarily that this was going
to go for five years.

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I was pretty committed to it.
Like, I didn't want to, you

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know, just start something and
do a couple of episodes and be

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done with it.
I was really into this idea of

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doing a podcast, but I'll tell
you, and we were just talking

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about this off the air.
Podcasting is hard and I don't

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think people know this, but half
the time you're sitting there

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talking to yourself and there's
not a heck of a lot of stuff

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going on with that podcast.
And you know, I know that you're

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a, you're a big stats person.
Maybe you can share some of that

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information with us.
But you know, I will tell you

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it's quite an accomplishment
that we're here talking on our

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fifth anniversary of of Gears of
Gear and not only have have we

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survived, but we've thrived.
We've done very well.

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We've got loads and loads of
fans and listeners and guests

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and sponsors which we're going
to talk about here in a minute

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as well.
But you know, most don't survive

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and most never get past certain,
you know, thresholds or

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whatever, and they give up.
And you know, just like most

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things in life, you don't lose
until you quit.

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And I'm a bit of a stubborn ass.
And so I don't quit very easily.

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And so I got past that part
where people were listening to

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five and then calling me or
texting me and saying, Marcel,

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you're an idiot, would you just
shut up already?

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Like you're talking nonsense?
I don't care what your favorite

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three concerts were or whatever.
Then don't listen.

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Then don't listen.
I mean, that's the great thing

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about podcasting.
There's a bazillion of them out

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there.
Go to the next one.

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Go listen to one about why you
have to get up to pee in the

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middle of the night or
something.

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I'm sure there's lots of pee
podcasts or, you know,

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vegetarian podcast.
Whatever it is you're into, I

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don't care.
But you know, The thing is,

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we've managed to carve out a
following and we've managed to

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carve out sponsors and we've
managed to survive.

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And what are share some of those
stats with us?

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Yeah.
So I was looking today and

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you'll be surprised like what
percentage of the podcasts

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actually succeed.
And there is a 50% chance that

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any podcast is going to pod fade
with more than half a million

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churned out yearly, only 20%
survive.

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So that, I thought, was like.
Let me let me unpack this.

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So there's a half a million
podcasts that come out every

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year, new podcasts, and only 20%
of those live past that.

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Year point past past year.
Wow, that's incredible.

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So that means that means 400,000
podcasts are dying.

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New podcasts, not not existing
podcasts. 400,000 new podcasts

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are dying every year.
And here we are, five years in

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and we've survived.
And like you said, it is hard

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work.
There's a lot of planning behind

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it.
There's it's not just OK,

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someone jumps on and you chat.
There's a lot of behind the

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scenes, especially now with
social media.

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You know, like everything that
you do, you have to spend time.

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You have to think of ways to do
it, to say it.

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And you, I always keep on saying
you have to be seen, but I've

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known people with, you know, my
other little business that I do

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as well.
They've come in and they've

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gone.
Oh, I'm going to do a couple of

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videos like you've had friends.
Oh, I'll come and do a podcast.

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They think it's easy.
They do maybe 10 maximum and

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then that's it.
They've given up, you know, and

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they can't.
You know, people are doing

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podcasts, I think, for the wrong
reasons sometimes.

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And I'm not shaming anyone.
You know, during COVID, a lot of

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people went, oh, Marcel's doing
that thing over there.

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It looks pretty easy.
I'm going to go create a podcast

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about the entertainment or
roadie business or the lighting

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business or sound business or
whatever it was.

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And some of them were good.
You know, I listened to all of

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them.
Every time I saw a new one pop

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up in the industry, I listened
to it.

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But I knew.
Like, I knew I went, You're a

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pretty busy guy or girl.
I know that As soon as this

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industry pops back up a little
bit and their shows again, this

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podcast is disappearing.
So why should I invest my time

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into your podcast if I know
you're not gonna continue to

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invest your time into it?
So I think with geeses of gear,

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I think five years ago we
developed a trust platform where

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I told people, I'm gonna keep
doing this, like this thing's

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gonna grow.
It's gonna become something.

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I want you to be a part of it.
And so we've got listeners today

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that have been listening since
the very first episode.

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Lots of them.
But I do believe as well it's

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because and you know, don't get
a big head here now myself, but

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it is because you love doing it.
You love doing it.

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I said to you when I first
started, you know, you wanted

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one a week.
I was like, OK And I was like,

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what about you try for two a
week, you know, like I was

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trying to and you was like,
yeah, I love it.

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Don't worry, I'll give, I'll
allocate these days.

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Now if you didn't have the love
for it and you and you was like,

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I find time.
What, what?

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Whatever, whatever you want.
So I find time.

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Now that's what you need.
And hopefully it comes across in

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the podcast that you know you
love it and now I love it.

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So I.
Got to be honest, I don't love

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them all.
So, you know, there are podcasts

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where I'm sitting looking at the
timer on my screen wondering,

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you know, can we cut this one a
little short?

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Could it be 40 minutes instead
of 60 or whatever?

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And you know, it's all down to
the guest.

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And I mean fortunately out of
two 100 and however many

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episodes it is now, 218 or
something, about 210 of those

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have been incredible.
And maybe 10 or 15 have been

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kind of like, you know, still
great people still, you know,

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But I love stories.
I love people who come on the

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podcast and take over, like
believe it or not.

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And I know people think I love
the sound of my own voice.

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I actually hate it when I go
back and listen to podcasts.

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I I cringe at the me parts and
and I love the them parts,

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right.
So, So yeah, I do love doing it

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when when it's a good guest.
When it's not a good guest, it

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feels a little bit more like a
job and like something that I

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have to be a professional and
and work my way through.

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And, you know, I think the
audience knows that too, because

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I get calls like Eric Loder is
the classic podcast.

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Well, sponsor, fan, guest, host,
whatever he wants to be, he's

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been at in our podcast, but and
Eric will call me, he'll call me

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from his car and he'll be like,
you know, Marcel, that guest,

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I'll tell you what, he was
boring and, you know, great guy,

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great business.
But what a boring guest.

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And it's it's a style, you know,
if it's just AQ and a thing.

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I'm probably not the world's
greatest interviewer.

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I'm trying to pull stories out
of you.

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Yeah, you're trying to lead the
way and for then if you want to

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just take over.
So on that note, I'm going to

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take over, no?
Go ahead, give us some more

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stats.
Podcast Stats.

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Yeah, well, actually I did.
There was a couple of other

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ones.
And as far as like downloads, so

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you know how many listeners is
good for a podcast.

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Now I was looking at it and if
you've got more than 32

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downloads, you are in the top
50% of podcasts.

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If you've got more than 121
downloads, you're in the top 25%

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of podcasts, more than 74178
downloads, you're in the top 10%

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and then more than 1123, you're
in the top five podcasts now

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roughly per episode.
We are, you know we're we're

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actually in the middle of
between 25% and 10%.

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Oh yeah, it depends.
I mean, we have a lot of

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podcasts that over time go into
the thousands, but usually it's

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in the hundreds to 1000.
Or whatever.

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I'm talking like the first week,
you know, but in that market

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already.
So you know that's that, that's

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well.
We're in a very niche business,

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too.
Like a lot of these podcasts are

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about, you know, going to the
gym or about cooking, or about

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just general subjects.
We're in a very, very nichy,

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very small, very focused
audience.

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And so, no, I mean, I'm, I'm
super grateful and happy for the

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fact that people instantly like,
I mean, we can pop a podcast up

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and one of the great things
about podcasts is you can see

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how many listeners you're
getting, how many YouTube views

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you're getting, but you can see
it real time and you can see

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what countries they're coming
from and stuff too.

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So by the way, I mean I bet if
you went into statistics on how

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many get outside of the US, the
US is about I think 45 or 50% of

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our audience.
The rest is outside the US And

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you know we're real big in
Canada, big in the UK, big all

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over Europe.
We get listeners in China,

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Australia, countries I've never
heard of are listening to our

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podcast.
So it's incredible.

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Anyways, back to the stats,
Sarah.

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Actors.
Yeah, I know, I know.

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But just because I know you
listen to him, I listen to him

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as well.
But who has the most successful

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podcast in?
I mean, not always top, but

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definitely Top 10.
Exactly.

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Exactly.
Joe Rogan has.

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And then a very close second,
that's where we are.

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So, you know, we're not far
behind him ourselves.

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Well, like.
Us in our industry.

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You know, in our industry, I
feel like I was a pioneer

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because people are like, what
the hell are you doing?

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Marcel, why are you doing this?
Like, this is stupid.

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Nobody's going to listen to
this.

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Joe Rogan, in a much, much
bigger way, was a pioneer.

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You know, a few years before I
ever started a podcast, Joe

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Rogan did it.
And friends and people were

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saying, Joe, what are you doing?
Like you don't have time to do

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this.
What a waste of time.

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Now the guy's making, I don't
know, $20 million a year or

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something doing podcasts.
I mean, it's incredible.

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And I'm not here for the money,
believe it or not.

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Like, I know people know that
I'm an entrepreneur and a

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capitalist, but at our level
it's very hard to make any money

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podcasting.
And and really the reason we

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have sponsors is to cover our
costs and expenses and

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everything else and hopefully at
the end of the day to have a

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little left, to be able to
invest into some marketing, to

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grow the podcast.
And you know, if we grow it to a

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certain point, then who knows,
maybe you actually do make a a

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dollar or two, but that's
certainly not why we do it.

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It's not the goal, it's not why
I got into it.

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It's more about all the other
stuff, the more organic stuff.

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Any more stats?
Exactly.

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And it's fantastic.
No, just, well actually just the

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average podcast is uploaded once
a week, so that's like the

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average one.
And the length of it is around

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44 minutes, but it did vary
between 20 minutes to an hour

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and a half.
So again, we're kind of like in

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the middle of everything where
where we should be basically,

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OK, we've got some casts that
are an hour, some, some of them

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are three, but the three ones
are because it's really, really,

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really interesting.
Well.

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That's a lot of stories, you
know?

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And there's a couple that I can
think of that we've had to cut

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into two episodes.
Like one was Doc McGee, and that

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was just, it was part because he
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had to finish it on his drive
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And the other one, I forget what
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cut in half.
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couple of them that were that
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But as far as the number of
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thinking about that, you know,
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So that would be 200 and 52160
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one a week and we're at about, I
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recorded 220 and so, So we're a
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bit off that one a week average.
We need a holiday, Marcel.

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We also.
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We had COVID in the middle of
this thing and the industry was

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pretty shut down and there were
no sponsors and stuff like that

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during COVID.
So so yeah, I mean I'm, I'm

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proud of what we've built.
I'm, I'm really happy.

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I'm grateful to be in the
position that I'm in.

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I'm excited to have a producer
who is an awesome person sitting

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across from me here right now.
And I I feel very good about

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2024 for this podcast and one of
the reasons is, is the sponsors.

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And you may notice we didn't
have any sponsors at the front

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end of this.
It's because I really wanted to

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talk about them all for a
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time because I know this might
get boring for competitors of

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these sponsors or even for some
of our listeners.

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But first and foremost, elation.
You know, Eric and his amazing

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team have been with us since the
very, very beginning.

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Not only are they a sponsor, but
I know that Eric listens to

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pretty much every single
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And he listens on his way to
work or he listens when he's on

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the treadmill and he will call
or text me often and he'll

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critique my work.
He'll critique the guest and say

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he was a terrible guest, She was
a great guest, whatever.

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And he'll correct me.
He'll sometimes call me and give

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me facts.
Sometimes, you know, like, I had

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no idea I said something false
and he'll call and correct me.

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And sometimes it's political,
like sometimes he'll call and

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say you shouldn't have said that
and whatever, I'm, I'm a big

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mouth and I'm going to say what
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But recently I was talking about
a gentleman named Rich Fuller,

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who who was the founder and
owner of a company in Portland

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called Hollywood Lights.
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time.
So it was an easy mistake to

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make.
I apologize for making that

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mistake.
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photographic memory aid for, you
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corrected me on it.
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much.
Again, small break during COVID,

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because everybody shut down
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during COVID.
But very small break he came

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back on very quickly after.
Other than that small break

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during COVID, Elation has been
with me since day one.

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They believed in what we were
doing, They believed in me, they

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believed in the branding, they
believed in our audience, in our

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messaging, and we appreciate it.
Similarly, ACT Entertainment

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with Ben Saltzman at the head.
Ben has been a supporter, a

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believer in the podcast.
He's been on the podcast a few

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times and ACT is a big company.
There's no shortage of brands

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and and ideas and thoughts to
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I love having them as a sponsor.
There seems to be no end

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insight.
Both ACT and elation seem to be

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in for the long run, I hope.
I hope I'm not jinxing myself by

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saying that, but they're still
on board today, Five years in.

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So very, very grateful for both
of them.

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And then we get into some, some
sort of unique sponsor partners,

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the first being Stratum Pro who
started with us mid 2022.

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And I'm so grateful for Stratum
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They're a small company.
You know if you compare them to

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either relation or act, they're
probably, I don't know, 5% of

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the size or 3% of the size or
something.

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But Daniel and and Tori, his
wife who who run the company and

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own the company are amazing
people.

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They came to us and Daniel said,
would you even consider me as a

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sponsor And I looked at his
company and his branding and

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everything and I said of course
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You know, you, you you guys are
like the heartbeat of America.

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You're a small up and coming
production company in the

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Midwest.
You're working hard.

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You're doing the right things
for your customers.

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We'd be honored to have you as a
sponsor of the podcast.

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And again, they've been with us
almost two years now.

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They haven't indicated that
they're leaving anytime soon.

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So we're really excited about
what's been happening with

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Stratum.
By the way, they've grown a ton

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in that period that they've been
with us and so that's exciting.

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And then Main Light, I mean what
can you say about Main Light?

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You know it it they became a
sponsor after my Cannon bought

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the company.
But I've been a fan and a friend

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of Main Light for many years
when it was owned by itis and

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I'm super grateful to be
partnered with with such a great

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company and a growing brand.
And Mike Cannon is a good friend

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of mine and somebody I respect
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And so we're proud to to
represent and we're super

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grateful to have them on board
as a sponsor.

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And I think either myself or
maybe Sarah have mentioned

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previously, but we have two more
sponsors already signed up.

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I'm not going to tell you who
they are.

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I will tell you they're both
Canadian companies and great

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brands.
We're really looking forward to

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promoting both of them.
They've both committed for a

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full year, for all of 2024 and
hopefully beyond.

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And that leaves us with only two
more spots to fill.

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And we're talking to several
companies, most of whom you have

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all heard of and will know and
love.

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And we expect to get those deals
done in the next week or two.

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No pressure, Sarah.
So.

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Yeah.
Again, I've said it 100 times.

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I mean, this podcast is not, you
can tell.

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I don't have a super
professional studio or anything.

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I'm in a room in the house.
And you know, we don't put a

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huge amount of money into
promotion or marketing, but

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we're starting to put some.
But there's costs.

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I mean this software that we're
recording on the microphone that

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I'm recording on the mixing
console, I'm recording on, these

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are all expenses.
The time that I'm taking out of

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my day and and out of my
company, I'm taking time away

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from my company to do this.
So there are costs involved in

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running this podcast.
We wouldn't be able to do it

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without our sponsors.
So thank you very much all of

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you.
We appreciate you very much and

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look forward to promoting your
companies and talking about you

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for another year.
This year we'll talk about you

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again on the 6th anniversary.
And so, yeah, Sarah, anything to

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add about the sponsors at all?
I know you've gotten to know

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most of them because you talk to
them every week about new promos

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and stuff.
I know.

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I I just, I just love it.
Now, the communication that I

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have with everybody, yeah, it's
it's brilliant.

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And as I said, we always trying
to ramp up.

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Oh, coffee, by the way, by the
way.

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I just finished my cup of coffee
called coffee.

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My second one today and so
Speaking of sponsors, they're

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not really a sponsor but they're
they're a friend and and a

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partner of us.
But you know, they don't pay to

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sponsor the the show, they they
pay to help people in the

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industry.
They.

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Pay into a charity which for me?
Is just as important, more

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important, Yeah.
And you.

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Always.
Forget Gears of Gears of Gear

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Gears Source.
Come on, I know you're so dumb,

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you know?
Yeah, that's.

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Everyone says seriously A.
Bit self indulgent by promoting

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Gears Source but obviously none
of this would happen without

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Gears Source.
I mean Gears Source allows me

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the time and and ability and and
opportunity to do this podcast

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also has connected me to most of
the guests, most of the sponsors

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like through my career with
Gears Source.

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Is is why this even happens.
So of course I forget to mention

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Gearsource, But you're right.
Another great one.

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Yeah.
So what was I gonna talk about

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next?
I wanted to talk about just some

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of our favorite episodes.
And when you have 200 and

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something episodes over a span
of five years, you know, it's

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it's it's there's a lot of good
ones.

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And I picked out 15 that I think
for whatever reason are really,

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really super important to me.
If I had to keep episodes in a

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vault and I can only pick 10,
I'd probably stretch it to 20 or

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something and say come on, let
me keep 20.

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But Fifteen was really hard
because there's another 15 on

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top of these that were equally
important to these ones.

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But just for the sake of doing a
podcast, I had to pick 15.

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There's a lot of sort of
honorable mentions in there and

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and some funny flops and stuff
too.

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Like when I had a Co host on
board in the beginning because I

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thought that's what you needed
to do for a podcast.

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And and in reality I think it it
became much better when it it

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when I didn't have the pressure
of moving out of the way to let

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somebody else talk all the time.
As you know Sarah, I think it

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became better.
So nothing against my prior Co

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host, but I think we became
better when when it became sort

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of a solo person host, podcast
don't.

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You go get rid of me.
Well, you're not really a Co

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host.
I mean sometimes you.

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Are but you're.
You're the the person behind the

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scenes that makes sure it's all
working.

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And yeah, but what's?
His face, then.

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Good job.
Sarah, you know it's what you're

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like 2 month anniversary and it
is 2.

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Months for me.
You've been kicking ass.

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So no, it's been honestly, if I
look back three months to today,

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I think we're a completely
different podcast today than we

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were three months ago.
So that says it all right there.

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So starting.
These are all just in numerical

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order, so it's not that one is
my favorite or 15 is my

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favorite.
These are just in numerical

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order in history.
So the earliest one that's on my

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top 15 list is, and I'm going to
try not to get a tear during

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this one.
But Tim Brennan, who was always

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one of my favorite friends, you
know, since I got into the

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business in the United States, I
met Tim very early on.

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He became one of my favorite
friends.

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As anyone who knows or knew Tim,
I should say, would attest to

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it's a complicated friendship.
And you know, so one day he'd

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tell you he loves you and the
next day he'd say go fuck

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yourself and hang up on you.
And but I miss him dearly.

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I miss him every time I go to
Vegas.

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And so listen to the episode,
though Tim says some amazing

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things during that episode and
sorry, I'm breaking up a bit,

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but listen to it.
It's episode nine.

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One of my favorites.
Maybe my favorite next, a little

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more fun, is John Wiseman.
And so John again, one of my

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best friends in the entire
industry.

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One of the people I've looked up
to since I got into the

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industry, probably without
argument.

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The very best account exec in
the entire industry.

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The guy that you'd least want to
have to compete against in the

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industry.
Tough as nails, but a heart as

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big as anything.
I mean just the guy that will do

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anything for anyone to help you
at any given time, but he will

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crush you in a deal if he has
the opportunity.

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But on his very first episode,
he was actually really nervous.

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He didn't really know what to
say or what not to say and all

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of those types of things.
And I remember the conversations

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we had leading up to it were
were very funny because he

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thought, you know, that this was
a really serious thing and he

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had to be really careful and
stuff.

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And if you know John Wiseman,
you know there's not much of A

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filter there that can be
applied.

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And during this episode he told
a story which goes down in my

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memory as probably one of the
top five stories ever told.

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On the podcast.
He told a story of when Mickey

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Kirbishly came over to Australia
to interview for a job with John

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at Verilite.
And at the time, John was a

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severe drug addict and
alcoholic.

447
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,200
He was drinking a bottle of Jack
or whatever and doing, you know,

448
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,280
an ounce of blow every day or
whatever.

449
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,360
And a severe drug addict and
heavy, heavy drinker most of the

450
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,000
time didn't know where he was
and stuff.

451
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:02,520
But they went scuba diving off
the beach and John said come on

452
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,240
Mickey, let's go go get in the
water and do some scuba diving.

453
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,840
And so they're underwater.
And because John is still drunk

454
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,080
from the night before or
whatever, he threw up in his

455
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,120
regulator.
And.

456
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,400
So all these chunks are coming
out.

457
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,520
Sorry for the visual, but all
these chunks are coming out from

458
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,520
his regulator and all the fish
started coming and eating away

459
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,480
at it and just like swarming him
basically.

460
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,880
Right.
So him and Mickey both panicked

461
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320
and they were like, we got to
get to the surface and boom,

462
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520
they stood up.
They stood up and they were in

463
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,160
like waist deep water.
Like they thought they were out

464
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,720
in the middle of the ocean.
They're in waist deep water

465
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,840
about, you know, 10 yards from
the beach.

466
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,040
And all these kids are looking
at them in horror.

467
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,920
And mothers, like, what are
these guys doing?

468
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,000
They just stood up and they're
on the beach, right.

469
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,960
So just a really, I mean, you
had to hear him telling the

470
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,400
story 'cause it was absolutely
hilarious.

471
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,560
So that's episode 12.
John's been on the podcast a few

472
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,520
times, but do yourself a favor,
go back to 12 and and look for

473
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,240
some of the stories.
John has incredible experiences,

474
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520
incredible knowledge.
He talks very openly about his

475
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,280
drug addiction, especially on
this episode, and the fact that

476
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,200
he literally almost was dead and
wouldn't be alive today if he

477
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,200
didn't finally make the decision
to borrow the money from his

478
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,680
parents.
This is a guy who ran Vera

479
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,560
Light, who was at a very high
position at light and sound

480
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,440
design, who was literally on top
of the world of of concert

481
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560
lighting.
And he had to borrow money from

482
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,640
his parents to go to rehab and
it saved his life.

483
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,840
And I think that's something
like 27 years ago or 28 years

484
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,440
ago or something.
We talked about it again

485
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,160
recently on the podcast, but
he's he's very proud of the fact

486
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,920
that he's clean and sober.
He talks very openly about

487
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,600
addiction.
He would help anybody through

488
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,160
it.
He has helped many people

489
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,720
through it.
The guy is is a St. with sort of

490
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560
devil's clothing.
You know he's he's got a big

491
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,840
mouth and he says some very
unpopular things at times, but

492
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,920
he's he's an amazing guy.
So go listen to episode 12 right

493
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,360
after.
It was episode 13, which was

494
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,400
Mark Brickman.
And for those of you who have

495
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,840
been asleep for 50 years, Mark
was the lighting designer for

496
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,960
the entire career of of Pink
Floyd and did some incredible

497
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,320
things, including one of the
most iconic lighting looks ever,

498
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,360
which was that big round circle
of VL fives.

499
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,960
I think they were actually, he
tells me on the podcast.

500
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,640
But I forget what they were.
Maybe it was VL fours or

501
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,840
something, I don't remember.
But, you know, doing this whole,

502
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,520
like, I don't know, sort of a
kaleidoscope effect in this

503
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,920
circle.
And you know, if you go back and

504
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,600
look at any live Pink Floyd
videos, you'll see that look and

505
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,280
you'll go, oh, that was Mark
Brickman.

506
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,640
And I mean, Mark did so many
other incredible things.

507
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,040
He's just a Wildman.
He's so much fun to talk to.

508
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,680
He told some great stories on
the podcast.

509
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,640
Go listen to episode 13, Mark.
Mark is absolutely an icon and a

510
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,320
legend of our industry.
I'm super happy and proud that I

511
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,920
was able to get him on the
podcast.

512
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560
I should actually have him on
again to talk about his art and

513
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,600
the other things he's doing now.
But do yourself a favor, Listen

514
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,240
to 13.
This is becoming the Eric Loder

515
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,560
episode right now because it's
like the third time I've talked

516
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,520
about him already.
But episode 16, you know,

517
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,800
talking about his career and
everything else.

518
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,880
And I would.
Sorry, Eric, I'm going to say

519
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,200
it.
Nothing really extremely amazing

520
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,800
about the episode itself other
than two things.

521
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,240
One, it was Eric's 50th birthday
and Eric refused to do the

522
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,240
podcast Geezers of Gear until he
was officially a geezer, which

523
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,760
he decided was 50.
And so he always told me Nope,

524
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,640
not ready yet when I'm 50.
And so literally the morning of

525
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,680
his 50th birthday, probably 6:30
in the morning, his time,

526
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240
because he was going to go play
golf afterwards.

527
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:20,440
And so we recorded about a
probably 6075 minute podcast,

528
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,600
got through the whole thing
right.

529
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400
At the end of it I went to click
stop on the recording.

530
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,960
I realized I hadn't started the
recording.

531
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,320
So what it was is I had started
the recording earlier.

532
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,960
Then we started talking.
And then I went, OK, let me

533
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,800
start recording And I clicked
record again and I shut it off.

534
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,040
So I turned off the recording
for the entire recording.

535
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,680
We missed it all.
And I went, Eric and he goes,

536
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
yeah.
And I said, I don't know how to

537
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,160
tell you this.
And he said what?

538
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640
And I said I screwed up.
And he said what?

539
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,800
And I said I forgot to hit
record.

540
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,800
I screwed up.
I didn't record anything.

541
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,680
We just said he goes, oh, well,
this is, this tells you who this

542
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360
guy is and the quality of person
that this man is.

543
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,720
And I'm serious.
He goes, Oh well, let me go pee,

544
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,040
grab another cup of coffee and
we'll record it again.

545
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,720
I.
Was like.

546
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Are you serious?
Like, you're waiting to go out

547
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,400
and play golf.
It's your 50th birthday morning.

548
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,480
You're with your family.
You just did an hour and a half

549
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,440
with me, and you're going to do
it again.

550
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,120
He goes, yeah, what else are we
going to do?

551
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,400
We got to do it again, you know?
And I was just like, I was

552
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,720
shocked.
I I was so embarrassed and so

553
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
upset with myself.
But I was just so, like,

554
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,080
grateful that there are humans
like this on the earth.

555
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,680
So listen to 16.
If nothing else, just you know,

556
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,920
in honor of of Eric Loder who's
who's just an awesome dude and a

557
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,680
great friend of the of the
podcast episode 19 and 20.

558
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800
This is one of those ones that
stretched across two episodes

559
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,960
because it took a while and it
was recorded, I think either

560
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,480
early in the day, then late in
the day or maybe even 2 separate

561
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,000
days because of his schedule.
But you know, it was a funny

562
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,400
episode because this is Doc
McGee and if you don't know who

563
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720
that is, again, you might have
been asleep for the last 40 or

564
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,120
50 years, but probably the most
legendary rock'n'roll manager

565
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:24,280
ever managed.
Skid Row, Mötley Crüe, Kiss, Bon

566
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Jovi.
I'm just going from memory here

567
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,240
trying to remember some and a
lot of other bands, lots and

568
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,840
lots of huge bands in the sort
of 80s and 90s era.

569
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Still manages KISS today.
I don't know how that's going

570
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,600
now that they've just done their
final show, final live show.

571
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840
But you never know with KISS.
They've done many final shows

572
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,040
and they're still going.
But anyways, Doc McGee, you

573
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,480
know, I'm a fanboy, so I'm, I'm
asking questions going, uh huh,

574
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,760
like just dying for the answers,
right.

575
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,760
One of the questions I asked
him, I actually asked him

576
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,760
because I had had scene, the
movie The Dirt.

577
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,080
And the Dirt, for those of you,
including Sarah, who probably

578
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,680
don't know is Mötley Crüe wrote
a book called The Dirt.

579
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Or someone wrote a book on
Mötley Crüe called The Dirt, and

580
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,240
it literally was the dirt on
their career.

581
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,160
And so Netflix made a movie
about it, and it was a fairly

582
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,280
honest movie.
And there's a scene in it where

583
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Doc McGee, their manager in the
movie, is standing on the

584
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,640
balcony at a motel and he's
looking down at the pool at just

585
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,440
total debauchery.
You know, it's it's total full

586
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,920
on debauchery.
I think this was the one time

587
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,880
when it was Mötley Crüe and Ozzy
Osbourne's band and Ozzy was

588
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,640
like snorting ants off the the
floor of the pool deck or

589
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
whatever, and just crazy shit
was going on.

590
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:55,600
And and Doc McGee looks at the
camera and he goes, you know,

591
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,640
I've managed Skid Row and Kiss
and Bon Jovi.

592
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Nothing ever prepared me for
this shit.

593
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,960
And it was just really kind of a
funny moment.

594
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:13,440
But in the movie they they said
that Mötley Crüe fired because

595
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Mötley Crüe fired Doc McGee at
one point.

596
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,200
And they said they fired Doc
McGee and it had something to do

597
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,800
with the bass player Nikki 6's
mother, something that Doc McGee

598
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,400
had done against Nikki Sixx's
mother or something.

599
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,240
And so I asked Doc, I said, was
there anything in the movie that

600
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,280
was untrue?
And he said, actually, you know,

601
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,400
the the one thing for sure was
was how I was fired and why I

602
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,800
was fired by the band.
And I said, oh, really?

603
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,560
And he said, yeah, you know,
they said it was something about

604
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Nikki's mom.
It had nothing to do with

605
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Nikki's mom.
And I said, So what was it?

606
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,920
And he said, and Sarah, you may
or may not know about this.

607
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,240
You might be too young to know
about it, but I think it was in.

608
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,560
It was, I think, still during
the Cold War.

609
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,960
And there was a concert in
Russia, and I forget what it was

610
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,280
called, but it was a huge heavy
metal concert in Russia, and it

611
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,840
was Mötley Crüe, Bon Jovi, Ozzy
Osbourne.

612
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Lots and lots of heavy metal
bands.

613
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,920
And a bunch of them flew over
there on the same jet.

614
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,600
And it was just like, again,
debauchery, just total flu on

615
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,280
mayhem, partying and craziness
and stuff, right?

616
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,639
There's all kinds of stories
about what happened.

617
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:30,120
But so one of the things was the
Russian government absolutely

618
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,120
would not allow Pyro.
You couldn't have any kind of

619
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120
Pyro on the show.
And so Doc McGee went to

620
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,159
everybody's teams and said, hey,
you're not allowed Pyro, You're

621
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,320
not allowed Pyro.
What?

622
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,920
You know, Mötley Crüe, Pyro was
a big part of their show.

623
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,600
They were a very theatrical
band.

624
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
And no, no, Pyro, you can't have
any Pyro.

625
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Well, Bon Jovi, who I believe
closed the set, had Pyro.

626
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,800
And so they felt like Doc McGee
gave favoritism to one of his

627
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,040
other artists and they fired him
because of that because they

628
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,440
didn't get Pyro and and Bon Jovi
did.

629
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,280
And you know, the one other
thing I will mention about the

630
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Doc McGee episodes is one of the
greatest lines and I use it all

631
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,680
the time and I repeat it all the
time.

632
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,720
One of the greatest lines ever.
So I asked him, I said, you

633
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,480
know, we were talking about sort
of the state of the music

634
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,200
business.
Today, as everyone knows, the

635
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160
music business has changed very
much.

636
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,480
It's gone from touring to
support record sales to record

637
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,080
sales to support touring to.
Now they tour just to make a

638
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,920
living.
And record sales for most

639
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,720
artists like Taylor Swift's
still sells a bazillion records

640
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,320
or whatever, but most artists
don't make any money selling

641
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160
records anymore.
Selling music, selling

642
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,960
downloads, whatever.
They're making all their money

643
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,080
touring.
And so I said with all the

644
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,760
changes that have happened in
the music business, if my son,

645
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,320
let's say my son, is 19 years
old and he's super passionate

646
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,560
about music, like he is racing
and it's all he ever wants to

647
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,960
do.
He only ever wants to be a

648
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680
musician and he wants to make a
living in music.

649
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440
And and this is, this is his
entire life, his world, his

650
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440
universe, What do I tell him
today?

651
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,120
And he said, that's a good
question.

652
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Let me ask you something.
And I said what?

653
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,440
And he goes, is he any good?
And I said, I said let's pretend

654
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,760
he's really good.
He's very talented, he's good

655
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,560
at.
And he goes and I said why do

656
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560
you ask?
And he says well, because

657
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,680
everybody's a bull rider till
somebody opens the gate.

658
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,240
And that to me just like was
Bing.

659
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:37,080
You know he's totally right.
Like the world is a bunch of of

660
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,160
of posers for the most part.
And then you have the few people

661
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,000
who really do put in the effort
and really will put in the work

662
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,480
and make things happen.
The rest of us are are, you

663
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,280
know, bunch of posers.
So anyways, great, great

664
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,720
episodes 19 and 20.
Doc is an icon.

665
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,360
Doc is a legend.
Listen to his stories, It's

666
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,240
super fun. 23 is Howard
Ungerleider, who is a great

667
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,680
friend of mine.
Howard happens to have been the

668
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,280
lighting designer for the band
Rush since the very beginning of

669
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,520
time.
He did almost every live show

670
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,440
they've ever done, I think
outside, he says on the podcast.

671
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,120
But I think it was two shows
that he wasn't with them on.

672
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,600
I think one was an award show
and and one was something else.

673
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,800
But other than that, he did
every one of Russia's live shows

674
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,960
ever in the history of time,
like for 50 years or whatever.

675
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Right.
And and you know, I'm Canadian

676
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,040
and I'm a bass player.
And so a bass player in Canada,

677
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,840
you were either a Getty Lee Rush
fan or you were just not a bass

678
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,320
player in Canada in the 70s and
80s, right.

679
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,160
And I was a bass player in
Canada.

680
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,120
And so I had every base that
Getty Lee from Rush ever had.

681
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,000
And I was just a massive fan.
And I didn't know Howard back

682
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,200
then.
I didn't know him until I got

683
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,040
into the lighting business.
But great friend, great guy.

684
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,840
But anyways, on this podcast on
episode 23, Howard tells

685
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,760
probably I can't even say
probably.

686
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,720
It is the number one story I've
ever heard in 200 and however

687
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,800
many episodes of our podcast,
this is the greatest story.

688
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,280
I was in tears laughing and it's
it's a story about a pony.

689
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,440
And I'm not going to tell you
the story now, but go listen to

690
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,800
episode 23.
Do yourself a favor.

691
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,360
You will thank me later.
I promise Howard is an amazing

692
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,880
guy.
Again, another legend.

693
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,760
Every one of these people is a
legend, but Howard's a legend of

694
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,360
lighting still at it today.
I talked to him almost weekly at

695
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,960
this point and listen to episode
2332 is another sad one.

696
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:51,800
I had Bob Shockrel, who at the
time had just retired from Roby.

697
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,360
And Bob of course is one of the
three founders of High End

698
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,720
Systems really smart guy.
He he was kind of the business

699
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,920
at High End Systems.
Richard Bellevue was always the

700
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,480
the brains, the designer the the
creator at High End Systems.

701
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,800
And Lowell was like the
marketing make people happy guy

702
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,680
who showed up at trade shows and
made everybody laugh and stuff.

703
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
But Bob was the guy who had to
count the money and make sure

704
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,920
there was enough in the bank and
make sure people got paid and he

705
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,440
was the business behind High
End.

706
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,200
And I gotta tell you, it's eerie
now.

707
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,760
But when I was recording this
episode 32 and you'll hear it on

708
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,280
the podcast, there were a lot of
moments where Bob just couldn't

709
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,360
think of really simple answers
and really simple timelines and

710
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,200
really simple.
And my mom is is in a home with

711
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,920
dementia.
And so I recognized it and I

712
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,000
didn't say anything, of course,
and it never would.

713
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,960
But I recognize something was
going on and there was some sort

714
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,680
of a a brain thing happening
with with Bob, a memory thing,

715
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,960
and didn't really think that
much of it.

716
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,600
But I heard very shortly after
that the reason he resigned from

717
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,520
his job was because this.
I don't know whether it's

718
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,360
dementia or or Alzheimer's, but
it was really becoming much more

719
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,640
of a problem for him.
And as far as I know, and I

720
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,600
don't want to misspeak, but as
far as I know, he's still among

721
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,240
the living today and is living
in a home.

722
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,920
And his wife Carol is is dealing
with some horrible things at

723
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,240
this point.
So wishing the best for all of

724
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,880
them.
Bob is an amazing guy.

725
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,440
I hate to see anybody go through
this.

726
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,800
I'm watching my mom go through
it.

727
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,240
It's terrible.
And many people listening,

728
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,480
probably everyone listening
knows someone who's been through

729
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,920
it.
It's terrible, terrible

730
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,080
sickness.
And yeah, so again, not that

731
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,680
there's anything terribly
incredible on this podcast

732
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,800
episode, but I felt like it's an
important one and people should

733
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,000
listen to episode 32.
I'm 40 again.

734
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,360
I'm a bit of a fanboy.
Hartley PV from PV Electronics.

735
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,600
I was APV dealer growing up in
the musical instrument business,

736
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,360
and I think my second bass amp I
ever had was APV.

737
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,240
The first one was a piece of
shit and the second one was APV.

738
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,560
And I've had PV bases, I've had
all kinds of PV equipment, PV

739
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,520
sound systems and stuff over the
years.

740
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,160
And when you're APV dealer, you
know it's almost like a cult and

741
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,240
and you go to the trade shows
every year and listen to this

742
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,320
guy speak.
And at NAMM they always did this

743
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,320
thing called the PV pre show.
That was just a big event.

744
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,800
And I remember seeing Pablo Cruz
at one of the PV Pre shows and I

745
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,880
was like, what's Pablo Cruz
doing here?

746
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,840
And they released a keyboard,
which was probably one of the

747
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,600
first massive mistakes that PP
made at the time.

748
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,960
But again, a really, really
great episode from a standpoint

749
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,200
that I believe when we recorded
this, he was in his late 70s and

750
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,840
still sharp as could be, still
could talk about things that

751
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,960
happened in the 60s and 70s.
And one thing that comes through

752
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,040
on this episode #40 is, is his
bitterness towards sort of the

753
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,400
move of the entire industry to
China from a manufacturing

754
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,440
standpoint.
He was proudly American, made in

755
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Meridian Ms. for many, many
years.

756
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,880
And it just got to a point where
first of all it was becoming

757
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,840
harder and harder to compete,
especially with sound systems

758
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,280
and amplifiers and stuff with
with companies overseas.

759
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,720
And again it comes through on
this episode that he's he's

760
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:39,200
still a bit bitter about it.
He still doesn't like that

761
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,920
change in the industry.
There's some other things that

762
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,080
he was a little bit angry about.
But it's a great episode.

763
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,720
It's it's definitely worth
listening to.

764
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:49,440
And again, I love quotes.
One of the quotes he made was

765
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,920
that if you chase two rabbits,
both will escape.

766
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Think about that one for a
minute.

767
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,160
That's a really, really good
one.

768
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,880
And of course, I actually
really.

769
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,680
I.
I equate everything to dating.

770
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,800
So if you think about you're at
the, you're at a bar and this

771
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,960
has happened to me, by the way,
you're at a bar and it's almost,

772
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,840
it's almost time to go.
It's like Last Call has been

773
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,440
called and you've got 2 girls on
the hook right now and you're

774
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,880
you're like, well, but that
one's a little better looking

775
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,080
than this one.
But this one's got a car, which

776
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,880
means I don't have to walk home.
And, you know, and you're like,

777
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,840
going, oh, which one, Which one?
Which one?

778
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,880
Boom.
They're both gone.

779
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,080
And now you're like, what the
hell just happened, you know, a

780
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,560
minute ago I had two.
Now I got none.

781
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,800
So, you know, just it's one of
my favorite quotes that I've

782
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,600
ever heard on the podcast.
Though again, for for all the

783
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,360
wrong reasons.
Episode 48 with Craig Burrows is

784
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,960
is another one of my favorites.
Very deep talk topic.

785
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,080
Craig had been diagnosed with
stage 4 cancer and tells the

786
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,680
story of how he sat in front of
the doctor with his wife and and

787
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,680
was given that news and they
both cried for a few minutes and

788
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,080
then Craig just kind of wiped
his eyes and looked up at the

789
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480
doctor and said OK, what can we
do next?

790
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
The doctor said, Craig maybe you
didn't hear me.

791
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,840
You know, you have you have
unsurvivable, inoperable Stage 4

792
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,440
cancer.
You know what you need to do

793
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,280
next is just prepare for for the
ultimate end.

794
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:31,720
And Craig, you know, to his
blessing, Craig didn't accept

795
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,960
that diagnosis.
He didn't accept that that end.

796
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,400
He just said, OK, what do we do
next?

797
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,560
You know what's the next thing
we we need to do here to get

798
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,120
past this.
And so this was episode 48.

799
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:50,520
Had to be, I don't know,
2019-2020, probably 2020 and and

800
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Craig's still here today.
He's healthy, He's completely

801
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,640
cancer free, 100% cancer free.
He he had a couple of relapses

802
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,320
along the way where where he had
to go get some other things done

803
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,520
and stuff.
He's been through hell for a few

804
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,800
years over it, but he's alive
today.

805
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,760
He's healthy today.
He's still my friend.

806
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,120
I talked to him last week and,
you know, anybody listen to the

807
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,000
meeting.
Him back from the show.

808
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,280
Yeah, yeah, we should get him
back.

809
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,160
I mean, Craig is such a a voice
of positivity and and just such

810
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,320
a great guy.
And everybody listening to this

811
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,960
is like, Oh my God, Craig's
amazing.

812
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,720
I love Craig.
But give a listen to episode 48.

813
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,000
It's it was during COVID, so it
was kind of a depressing time

814
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,120
anyway.
But but Craig was telling us

815
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,280
this story and he had kept most
of it pretty secret.

816
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,360
So this was kind of his coming
out party on the podcast talking

817
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,880
about it.
A lot of people, I think,

818
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,600
listened to the podcast and
went, Oh my God, I had no idea.

819
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,800
So yeah, really, really great.
Episode 78, Cosmo Wilson, one of

820
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,560
my other favorite people.
So I know I say this about

821
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,160
everybody, but there are
probably 20 of my favorite

822
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,600
people in the industry, and
Cosmo's one of them.

823
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,600
Again, just a great guy, Super
positive.

824
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,320
There's there's no surprise that
Cosmo has as many friends as he

825
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,680
does.
And I always say it the downside

826
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,440
for Cosmo is that Cosmo is
always posting on Facebook that

827
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,200
we lost so and so today or we
lost so and so today when you've

828
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,480
got as many friends as Cosmo
does and we go through COVID and

829
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,360
let's face it, some of the
people in our industry are not

830
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,680
the healthiest people in the
world.

831
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,880
We don't live the healthiest
lifestyles, especially on tour.

832
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,400
And Sarah has had a touring
background as well.

833
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,360
So you know that, but you know,
again, nothing terribly special.

834
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,520
This was the first time Cosmo
was on the on the podcast, him

835
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,200
telling his story, how he got
into lighting to begin with, who

836
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,200
his inspirations were.
He worked his way up, he always

837
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,920
said yes and then figured it
out.

838
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,760
He just worked his ass off.
And now Cosmos, the LD for some

839
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,440
of the biggest bands in the
world still and is just so well

840
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,360
loved and probably one of the
the most loved people out there.

841
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Like the guy who gives and gets
the most hugs at every trade

842
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,240
show.
So it's just another fun episode

843
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,440
81.
I don't need to say much about

844
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,000
this legend, Faye McMahon.
You know, there was some funny

845
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,600
stories on it.
You know, Faye, you know there

846
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,000
will be some funny stories on
it.

847
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,880
There are some great stories on
this one.

848
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:31,440
And just listen to episode 81
and 85, if I were to guess, was

849
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,640
probably in about March of 2020
and we created this group called

850
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,440
the COVID Crew, which was
myself, John Wiseman, Eric

851
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Loder, Ben Saltzman, and who am
I missing?

852
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,640
I'm missing 10.
John Featherstone, of course.

853
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,240
And you know, again, all people
who tend to know what's going on

854
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,080
in the industry, great group of
people, a mix of manufacturer,

855
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,760
you know, lighting exec designer
and then me, whatever the hell I

856
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,440
am, and just talking about what
we thought this all meant, you

857
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,120
know, what's going on?
Like everybody had cancelled

858
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,560
shows by this point.
Everybody knew that this thing

859
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,400
was a big deal by this point.
And I remember John making some

860
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,120
statements about John Wiseman
making some statements about

861
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,600
like he kept setting bars and he
said, I'll tell you what, if the

862
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,720
I can't remember which car show
it was, but it was something in

863
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,880
Germany, maybe he's the Berlin
auto show, I think it was.

864
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,560
He said if the Berlin auto show
cancels, you know, this

865
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,040
industry's done, we're screwed.
It's over.

866
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,320
And then he said if the Olympics
cancel, we're done.

867
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,080
This industry's over.
And both of those things and

868
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,960
everything else cancelled too.
And guess what?

869
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,840
The industry's stronger today
than it's ever been.

870
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,400
So you were wrong, John.
But a big one that we were all

871
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,680
wrong about was on that podcast.
We coined this phrase day 91.

872
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,200
And the way I described it was,
you know, spend 90 days

873
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,120
improving yourself, upskilling
yourself, cleaning up your

874
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,120
company, fixing your books,
whatever it is that you've been

875
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,960
putting off for a long time that
you now have the time to do and

876
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,200
decide what you want to look
like on day 91, which is the day

877
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,520
that we come out from all of
this, in reality it was like day

878
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,920
591 or something, right?
And we were way off on our

879
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,600
estimates of it being a 90 day
problem.

880
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,600
There are a few people out
there, and Huntley Christie was

881
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,400
one of them who who knew it was
going to be a long problem.

882
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,320
Huntley basically went to his
team and he said, you know,

883
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,000
we've got at least 18 months of
this.

884
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,520
We need to buckle down and
figure some stuff out right now

885
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,760
because we're screwed.
And Huntley was one of the very

886
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,000
few.
He acted quickly.

887
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,720
He cut a lot of his staff, he
cut a lot of his expenses, he

888
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,840
closed a couple shops and he
just really hunkered down and

889
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,840
got ready for the storm that was
about to hit and everybody went.

890
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,000
He's overreacting, and people
had so many bad things to say

891
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,640
about Huntley back then.
Guess what?

892
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,840
He did better than so many other
people did because he cut his

893
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,560
expenses.
How?

894
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Did he, how did he like, know
that the the, the feeling or

895
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:14,880
what?
Well.

896
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Like, I don't know what episode
number that is, but if you

897
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:23,200
search for Huntley Christie on
Geese of Gear, it'll he says why

898
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,160
on there?
But it had everything to do with

899
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,760
a couple of other prior
crisises.

900
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,480
And I if I remember correctly,
it was 911 and then the

901
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:38,840
financial crash in like 2008.
And he remembered that he had

902
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,600
downplayed one or both of those.
And the impact and the length of

903
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,320
time that it took to come back
from those things was much worse

904
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,000
than anybody had anticipated.
And he felt like this was at

905
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,720
least equal, if not worse than
those two.

906
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:59,120
And he was exactly right.
So, you know, I know it's hard

907
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,000
to go back and listen to stories
about COVID and to what we were

908
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
going through at the time and
stuff, but it's actually also

909
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,600
really interesting.
It's a it's a great snapshot of

910
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,720
a very terrible time and some
pretty smart people talking

911
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,000
about it and just bouncing
around it.

912
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,400
And you can laugh at us too,
because we were stupid as hell.

913
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,080
We were so wrong about so many
things, but we were trying to

914
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,760
figure it out and we were trying
to help people in figuring it

915
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,240
out.
Again, another legend.

916
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,800
You know the ACDC story is
amazing, but probably the most

917
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,000
legendary production manager
that ever lived.

918
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:39,280
Jake Berry Episode #129 Great
Stories, Funny, awesome.

919
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,920
Listen to it.
Unfortunately, most of these you

920
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,160
can't view yet because that we
didn't do YouTube until just

921
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,320
recently.
But you can go to anywhere you

922
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,160
get a podcast, or you can go to
geezersofgear.com and just

923
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,240
search for either Jake Berry or
search for 129.

924
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,440
Either way, you'll find it.
Episode 162 is somebody that in

925
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,560
the US everyone will know, but
probably outside the US you're

926
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,560
all going who?
Bob Gordon.

927
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,480
And so Bob Gordon did lots and
lots of cool stuff that I didn't

928
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,080
even know.
I learned a lot of it right here

929
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,840
on this episode, but a couple of
the big things he did, The guy

930
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,400
was a visionary when it came to
product selection.

931
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,560
And so he was the guy basically
who discovered the flying pig

932
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,560
guys and and brought the whole
hog lighting console into

933
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,240
America and did very, very well
with that obviously.

934
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,680
And guess what?
When that started going away

935
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,440
because High End bought Flying
Pig Systems and he was going to

936
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,920
lose the distribution of it,
What did Bob do but go out and

937
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,400
found this small German company
called MA Lighting and then rode

938
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,080
the wave of, you know,
MA1MA2MA3.

939
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,960
You know, I mean, just an
incredibly smart guy, a great

940
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,280
product picker and just a funny
dude with some great stories.

941
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,360
You know, I don't know how old
Bob is now, I actually do.

942
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,720
But I won't tell you.
But his memory of of these

943
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:11,360
stories of things that happened
in the 60s and 70s just

944
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,360
incredible.
So he's a great storyteller.

945
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:18,720
And then finally the 15th one.
That is one of my favorites is

946
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,760
episode 181, and it's probably
one of the greatest storytellers

947
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,720
we've ever had on the podcast
for the simple reason that the

948
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,160
guy doesn't forget anything.
And so Jonathan Smeaton was

949
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,160
talking.
I don't remember it was like a

950
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,720
Diana Ross show or something,
that he was talking about

951
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,760
something that he did in like
the 70s.

952
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,840
And he told you what gel number
he was using on her because she

953
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,040
liked this color versus this
color and stuff.

954
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,680
How the hell do you remember
that?

955
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,800
Like how do you remember the gel
number that you were using on a

956
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,000
show in the 70s?
And so he just, the guy tells

957
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,200
stories like nobody else I've
ever known.

958
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,080
He tells them in great detail.
He tells them with a perfect

959
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,240
memory of them.
And I just, I can't do that.

960
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,040
Like, I won't remember people's
names.

961
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,160
I won't remember the name of the
venue we were at.

962
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,080
I won't remember the name of the
artist that I was working for,

963
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,440
you know, I remember the most
important things, like, did I

964
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,040
eat breakfast, you know, But
everything else is kind of, you

965
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
know, blanked out at some point,
right.

966
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,880
But when I'd be on a.
Tour as well I would, sorry to

967
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,240
interrupt you.
When I'd be on a tour, we'd go

968
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:31,120
back to, you know, a venue and
I'd be like, have I been here?

969
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,280
I was like, no, I haven't.
And then everyone was like, you,

970
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,600
Sarah, you've been here for five
times.

971
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,440
Yeah, that's.
And I worked and I'm like, oh,

972
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,280
yeah, of course.
I'm sorry.

973
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,840
Well.
Something pulls it together, you

974
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,160
know, like something.
There's there's an association

975
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,920
where where it's like, oh, I
remember these toilets, you

976
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,320
know, or I remember catering
here.

977
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,080
You had to go up fourteen sets
of stairs and around a corner

978
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,720
where everybody almost dies.
And yeah, I mean there's always

979
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:00,840
something that you associate to
that place but back to meet and

980
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,840
so one of the stories he starts
telling the story.

981
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:11,360
I was doing a small tour in
Europe and with Frank Zappa and

982
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,000
you know it was I think he said
it was A1 truck tour or

983
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:21,640
something and we we get to a
club in I think it was Lucerne

984
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:27,440
or wherever somewhere in
Switzerland and and you know

985
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,640
it's it's an upstairs club and
kind of a cool place and and

986
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,120
Frank's having a really great
night and the audience is way

987
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,520
into it and stuff and he stops
part of the way through.

988
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,640
And I hate to even tell this
story because I'm screwing it up

989
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,400
for everybody else but go listen
to it anyways because hearing

990
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,560
him tell it I'm getting
goosebumps again right now.

991
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,760
I get it.
I got it at the time.

992
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,960
I'm getting it again.
But anyways, he, he says, you

993
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,640
know, halfway through a song,
Frank stops and goes, we're on

994
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,080
fire and and the audience goes,
yeah, yeah, Frank, we're on

995
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,560
fire.
And he goes, no, the place is on

996
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,880
fire, get out.
And so they chase everybody out

997
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,880
of the venue.
And the crew was told grab

998
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,360
whatever you can and just throw
it out the windows or whatever.

999
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,920
And so Jonathan grabbed Frank,
had this famous guitar called

1000
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,840
the stereo guitar, and he threw
it out the window and it hit a

1001
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,680
tree and snapped in half and
fell to the ground or whatever,

1002
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,880
right?
But anyways, they're standing

1003
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,200
outside a bit later and just
kind of looking at this

1004
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,840
smoldering building.
And you turn around and look

1005
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,880
over the lake and there's just
like this layer over the water.

1006
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,040
And there happened to be another
band in town at the time

1007
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,160
recording an album, and they
wrote a song called Smoke on the

1008
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Water.
And Jonathan was there.

1009
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,920
I mean that to me, like, it's
the first song I ever learned on

1010
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,920
guitar.
It's the first song everybody

1011
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,920
ever learned on guitar.
I owned a guitar store and

1012
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,840
everybody, every amateur,
wannabe guitar player, walked in

1013
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:07,280
there and went and screwed it
all up.

1014
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,320
But you know that that's my
youth.

1015
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,320
So that story, for whatever
reason I was so involved in the

1016
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,680
story, listening to it, I didn't
see the end coming.

1017
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,840
And then when it came, I was
like, no way.

1018
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,640
I was just shocked, right?
I was blown away and and again,

1019
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,920
I just got goosebumps again,
now, you know, best story that

1020
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,640
was ever told.
Well, right up there with with

1021
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,600
the pony one and Sarah, if you
haven't heard the pony story

1022
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,640
yet, you got to go back and
listen to the pony story because

1023
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,560
it is freaking funny.
So yeah, those are my top 15.

1024
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,000
Sarah, that hasn't been here
long enough to have a top

1025
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,400
anything yet.
She can only tell you the top

1026
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,000
ones that by the way, every
podcast we record now, Sarah

1027
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,720
sits in the background, she's in
the green room listening, taking

1028
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,720
notes.
She's a a very busy note taker.

1029
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,640
And and then after the podcast
she'll tell me all the things I

1030
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:04,600
did wrong.
Of course.

1031
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,440
And yeah, so we're trying to
figure out how to get Sarah to

1032
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,280
be able to do what Jamie does on
the on the Joe Rogan podcast

1033
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,320
where I say, hey Sarah, can you
look that up and she can look

1034
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,560
something up and go well as a
matter of fact and tell us, you

1035
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,080
know, whatever answer we're
looking for.

1036
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,440
So yeah, some great episodes,
Listen to all of those.

1037
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Listen to all of our episodes,
of course.

1038
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,600
But those 15 are really, really
great, all for different

1039
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,280
reasons.
Most of them are because of

1040
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,600
stories, but some of them are
just because of sentimental

1041
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,960
reasons or other things.
But all really great episodes

1042
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,440
and and certainly the 15 that I
picked out as as really, really

1043
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,920
super important.
So if I didn't pick you, I'm

1044
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,280
sorry, but it's not because I
didn't like your episode.

1045
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,320
It's just because these ones had
something that I needed to.

1046
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,520
I don't know.
Bring along.

1047
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,840
You didn't.
Pick my one more.

1048
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,680
So I'm.
Sorry, maybe maybe our 40th

1049
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,400
anniversary or something.
That'll be that.

1050
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,800
May sure remember that.
Time, yeah.

1051
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,360
Yeah.
So anyways, thanks again

1052
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,360
everyone.
Thank you for listening to this

1053
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:21,040
for as long as you have here. 59
minutes of nonsense and five

1054
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:21,920
years.
Wow.

1055
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,120
We appreciate each and every
person who listens to this.

1056
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,600
We love our sponsors.
Thank you so much.

1057
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,680
Keep listening, Keep watching on
YouTube.

1058
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,520
If you have any ideas for
guests, please bring them.

1059
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,800
We love the ideas that we've
been getting.

1060
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,680
Sarah reaches out to every
single person.

1061
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,440
Of course, we don't put every
single person on because we need

1062
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,160
to make sure it's going to be
interesting, or at least make an

1063
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,120
attempt at making sure it's
going to be interesting.

1064
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,560
And some people guess what you
think.

1065
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,760
You're interesting.
Maybe you're not so interesting.

1066
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,400
And yeah, and also sponsors.
We have two more spots to fill.

1067
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,160
We have lots of people talking
about those spots, but the two

1068
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,800
spots are still open.
We need them closed before the

1069
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,840
end of February or January.
And Sarah, anything to add?

1070
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,000
No, you've covered everything.
Go check out episode #1 as well.

1071
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,400
It's bad episode one.
It's bad.

1072
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,000
I think as any kind of a
creator, whether you're creating

1073
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,680
written stuff or a book or an
album or a anything, OK, When

1074
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,720
you go to your first one, you're
embarrassed.

1075
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,120
You know I'm gonna make.
Some shorts and call it the

1076
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,600
embarrassing number Jesus.
Please.

1077
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,000
No.
Please.

1078
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,320
No.
Anyways, thank you again

1079
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,480
everyone, and we'll see you on
the next episode.

1080
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,800
Bye.
Bye.