Jan. 17, 2024

#217 - Emily Bornt - Lighting Designer and Director

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Emily Bornt is a lighting designer, currently living in Los Angeles. She started her career in New York as a lighting technician, and moved cross-country to pursue her love of lighting design for concerts. She has kept a diverse resume and list of clients. Recent projects include lighting design for Demi Lovato and Brandi Carlile, and lighting programming for Idina Menzel and the AGT residency in Las Vegas. Previous projects include lighting designer for Lil Wayne, Perfume Genius, Falling in Reverse, and the Maks and Val Tour; lighting director for New Kids on The Block, Charli XCX, Melanie Martinez, Metric, Jimmy Eat World, and Thirty Seconds to Mars; lighting programmer for Derek Hough’s Las Vegas residency, Dancing With the Stars Live (the tour), AJR, and Big Time Rush. While she focuses on lighting for concert touring, she also dabbles in corporate and tv. She doesn’t have much free time, but she does enjoy going to museums and live shows for fun when she can. This episode was brought to you by , and .

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Hi there.
Hello again, it's me.

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And so one of the things I
forgot to bring up on the promos

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today is Coffee Cult.
And of course Coffee Cult is a

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really great cup of coffee.
And again, I talk about it all

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the time.
I love the coffee.

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I think it's fabulous.
But beyond that, they support

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our industry through giving back
all of the proceeds from every

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purchase that's made of Geezer's
Grind coffee.

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And so, you know, again, it's
the coffee I drink every day.

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A lot of people in our industry
now drinking it, drink it every

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day.
It's a great blend.

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It's sort of really strong, but
not too strong because it's a

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mixture of dark and medium.
And again, the money goes to

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Roby backstage, which supports,
you know, fallen individuals or

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individuals who need help in our
industry.

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And so it's a good 'cause it's a
great coffee.

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I do know that Roby, this isn't
a competitive thing at all.

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One of the other largest moving
light companies out there last

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week sent me, you know, a
picture of them restocking

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their, you know, their their
coffee machine at the office

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with with geezers, grind coffee.
So get involved, you know,

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definitely go to coffeecult.com
K's coffee with AK cult with

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ak.com, search for geezers
grind.

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I think if you buy 2 bags, you
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you'll get all kinds of
discounts offered to you and

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stuff.
So you know, yes, it's a little

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more expensive than your Folgers
or Maxwell House, but it's

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really, really good coffee.
Better than anything else I've

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tried.
So give it a try, Support our

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industry and I appreciate you.
Thanks.

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Hello, Emily.
How are you?

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Hi.
Doing well.

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How are you today?
Jeez, I second that.

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Yeah, don't don't make me answer
that.

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It's been, it's been a day, it's
been a a month in a day.

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You know, it's I've gone through
some weird times over the past

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12 months and some days are
really, really fun.

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And some days you just wake up
and you know, it's like what

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happened?
Like, I feel like I got run over

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by 12 trucks today.
And yeah, so today's been sort

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of one of those mornings, I
think.

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Yeah.
I've I've been feeling this

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thing called like, I'm calling
it a work hangover where you

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wake up in the morning and
you're like, did I send those

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emails last night?
Like what did I advance last

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night?
Like what what what what

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happened?
Like did I do that on the

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drawing yet?
Like it's like a work hangover.

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There's just so much going on.
You forget in the morning what

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you've down to the last one.
You're young.

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Wait till you're in your 50s,
because that's just every day.

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You know, That's every.
Morning.

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It's not too far away.
Yeah, every morning you're

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checking like, did I brush my
teeth last night?

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Did I eat dinner?
What did I have for dinner?

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I don't remember that.
Did I feed the dog?

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Yesterday, I have those.
I have those moments now.

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I was like, did I have granola
for breakfast to did I eat

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breakfast today?
It was only two hours ago.

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I don't know.
Yeah, now it's it's it's wild,

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but.
I can't wait.

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Yeah, I mean, well, you can
wait, you know?

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Plus, it's like something
different hurts every day.

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And it's, you know, all the old
people stuff that you see when

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you're young you experience when
you start getting older.

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You're like, what is that like?
I never had that before.

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Like, you know, a few days ago
it was this thing on my nose.

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And I asked my girlfriend, I'm
like, did I like walk into a

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wall or something?
Like what happened?

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It looks like it's swollen and
stuff.

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And she goes, no, that's just
age.

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I'm like, get out of here.
Jesus, Yeah.

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So yeah, there are some of
those.

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That's just age things happening
for sure.

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Yeah.
But anyways, thank you for

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coming and doing this.
I appreciate it.

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I know you're not a geezer and
you're like a Gazette, to be

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honest.
Another designer, I believe

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Sooner was the first female that
I ever had on the podcast.

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And, you know, we made a lot of
fun of the fact that she wasn't

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old and she wasn't, you know, a
crusty old, you know, white guy

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like what's usually on my
podcast.

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I was joking with friends about
wearing a bald cap and smoking a

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cigar and like a big theater, a
mustache, that would.

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Have been fun?
Yeah, you could have.

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Could have pretended to be a
geezer.

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Geezed it up.
Yeah, no, it's all good.

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It's just a name of a podcast.
It has nothing to do with the

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people we have on and and so I
appreciate you doing it.

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I love when we can get someone
younger and less male is always

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fun.
So you know, I mean I love to

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start pretty much every episode
with with talking about really

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your foundation and and the
beginning of it all.

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And I know you haven't.
How long has your career been in

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lighting so far?
About 20 years.

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Really.
Yeah.

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So you're older than I pegged
you at like I.

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Had.
I had you at a much younger,

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younger age than a 20 year
career so far.

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I thought you'd say, well, jeez,
it's coming up on 10, so.

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My tour, my my my touring career
is over 10 years already.

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I was working in my house before
that.

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I'm approaching the F words of
age.

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Yeah, very rapidly.
Like this summer.

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So oh wow.
And I'm I'm approaching I'm I'm

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exiting the F words this summer.
So, you know, like I'm, I'm

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hitting a hard one this summer,
so that's going to be exciting.

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So yeah, congratulations.
We'll have to, you know, have a,

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have a virtual clink at some
point and you know, 20 years

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apart, you know, it's funny too
because my son is a, he's

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turning 20 this year.
So, you know the numbers are

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always really easy when you can
go.

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I'm 40 years older than you kid.
You know, I wish it wasn't that

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easy, but but how did you get
your start?

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Like I think you had a a more
formal start than than a lot of

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the people that I get on the
podcast who are, you know, very

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informal, where it's it's just
literally by accident or in a

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pub, you know, having a beer and
with mates in a pub.

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And the guy next to him says,
yeah, I'm a, I'm a tour manager,

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you know, Would you like a gig?
And next thing you know, he's

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the production manager for ACDC,
which I believe was a true story

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which was told on Geezers.
But what?

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What was your foundation?
At the very beginning was very

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similar.
I started in theater in high

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school or middle school even.
I had friends who were like, oh,

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we're going to rehearse, you
know, try out for this thing.

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You want to come along?
And I was like, OK, and then I

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end up making costumes.
So middle school was making

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costumes, went into high school,
kept making costumes, ended up

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going to the New York State
Theater Institute my senior

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year.
So I was interning full time at

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a union theater and I was still
studying wardrobe and costuming.

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And I realized that, you know,
this this hobby I had, this fun

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thing I did is an actual career,
and it's unionized and can

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become a thing.
At that point, I had already

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locked in for FIT to study
fashion design.

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So I studied fashion design for
a year and then took a year off,

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transferred back into theater
school, and yeah, a.

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Strange route to to lighting
design for Demi Lovato, right?

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None of this makes sense so far,
but go on please.

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Well, I I actually ended up
having her her pants for her at

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a show the other month because
the wardrobe girl didn't know

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how to sew.
And I was like, I used to study

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fashion design and I used to do
wardrobe like I was dress

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dressing Fashion Week by the age
of 18.

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So I was Hemming Demi's pants
while she was wearing them,

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about 20 minutes before she hit
the stage.

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Oh my God.
That made you?

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That made you popular at that
moment, I would think.

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You know.
When you can solve a problem

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that nobody else can, yeah,
that's.

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Cool.
So it's it's come in, it's come

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in handy, that fashion
background.

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And that's that's really how I
started getting into, you know,

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costume in wardrobe and theater
and went to college and I wanted

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to study audio because I played
music.

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So I was like, oh, I wanted to
do this audio thing and I was

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awful at audio, but I still was
pursuing that and then

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graduated, still wanting to do
audio.

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And I was working as a a local
stagehand and kept getting put

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in lighting and just kind of,
you know, cling to it at some

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point, you know.
I accepted that, you know.

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Just because you liked music and
that seemed sensible.

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Yeah, it was a way to connect to
the music.

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One thing that I enjoyed about
what I do because I enjoyed the

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the lighting part of what I do,
but I really love the music, so

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I try to approach lighting as an
instrument.

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I was going to say, did you ever
play an instrument?

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Were you ever a musician?
Did you ever have a desire to be

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a musician?
I knew that I didn't have a

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future in it, but I enjoyed
doing it like I was.

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I was good enough like me.
Yeah, I had like, I played.

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I played saxophone, guitar,
bass, I sang.

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I was in a bunch of local bands,
marching bands, all the bands,

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yeah.
Cool.

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Interesting.
So you're trying to pursue

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audio, you're a stagehand, And
then what happened?

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I I kept getting put in lighting
and I was, I kept fighting it.

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Now I made friends with one of
the roadies and he was like,

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Emily, you're good at lights.
Just accept it.

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Like this is the thing you do,
like this is what this is your

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thing.
Lighting.

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And I was like, I guess it is,
you know, the light bulb

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literally went off and yeah,
started pursuing that.

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Oh, really?
And it was that easy.

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It was very organic.
Hey, why don't you just do this

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like you're pretty good at it,
OK?

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Yeah, so and from there it's
grown into, you know, drafting

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and doing scenic design and you
know, video works.

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I do a lot of content work and.
So in the beginning it was just

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through like Ayatsi or
something.

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You were just getting gigs like
helping out, you know, as a

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stagehand or whatever, doing
lighting and when.

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How did that become designed?
Like how did, and even even

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programming, you know, was that
just?

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Yeah, it's just an evolution of,
yeah.

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Because, you know, being being
local and meeting all these

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different roadies, they
understand that you know what

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you're doing and eventually you
start saying, I want to do what

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you do.
And when they need someone on a

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crew, they keep trying to put
your name and number in.

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I really lucked out and I got
put on a job in New York

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babysitting a floor package for
this guy.

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Butch Allen, who had never heard
of at the time, really had no

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idea what I was walking into.
And you know, we're we're

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working.
He's like, you get it, do you

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want a tour?
And I was like, I will believe

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that when I see a plane ticket.
And a week later I had a phone

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call from a vendor and I was on
a tour.

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Really.
Yeah, one of his tours.

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One of his tours.
What band was it?

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Big Time Rush.
Wow.

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Yeah.
What a friggin.

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Great start that is, yeah.
Which is, you know, right time,

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right place.
Yeah he is.

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I am.
I'm phenomenally just so blessed

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to have run into him and made
that connection, made that

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friendship and.
Yeah.

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He he's still one of my mentors,
you know, I go to him when I

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have issues now.
You know recording yesterday

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with Nick Whitehouse His name
came up and we were talking

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about just being innovative and
and I always saw Butch as

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incredibly innovative, like just
not doing things the same way

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everybody else was doing them,
you know.

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And he had the band garbage one
time and I think I had provided

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some lights to it through Martin
or something.

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I don't even remember.
But I went to see it and I think

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it was in maybe Santa Monica or
something somewhere in LA and he

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had these these floor lights
that were like up lighting the

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band and they were, I was like
wow, you know what are those are

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those like you know I'm naming
off different things that they

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might have been And he goes
Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

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And I said what are those?
And he said they're Home Depot

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work lights.
And they were, they were like

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literally Home Depot work lights
with orange gels on them or

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something.
And they just looked incredible.

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And the fixture itself looked
really incredible on the stage

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too.
So, you know, it was just that

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kind of thing that I always
loved about any designer, but

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Butch always did weird shit like
that, you know?

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He always.
Yeah, last year we I did, I I

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was on the new Kids on the Block
tour last year and there's this

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one song where Donnie wanted
just lasers.

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He was like, this is weird, like
just follow me on this.

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He just wanted the lasers.
So cat programmed this, you

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know, really awesome, kind of.
It was very minimal lighting and

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they got to go into moments of
lighting and the laser

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programming was amazing.
And they had these flashlights

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and they were hunting
flashlights.

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So we just had these big hunting
flashlights.

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The guys were lighting each
other with these hunting

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flashlights that you pick up.
You know, that's.

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So cool.
Yeah.

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So it's it's a very interesting
concept.

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Yeah, I like that.
Kind of stuff.

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I, and you know Nick really
likes that kind of stuff too.

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So that's I think what got us
into talking about it.

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Like you know same recently I I
had Rob Koenig on and you know

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the towers that he used on on
Metallica last year or this year

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or whenever it's been.
And you know again another very

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cool thing.
I mean it was a cool way to deal

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with the the stadium tour
concept where you could either

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have the big claw thing from U2
or you had to do something

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different, right?
And he did something different.

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And I think I don't know if it
was him or Dan Braun that came

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up with that stuff, but somehow
between them they came up with

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those towers and and another
really cool concept.

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So yeah, I like that stuff.
Let me ask you though, you know,

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the whole woman thing, you know,
being a woman in lighting and or

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being a female in lighting a
girl.

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At one point, I guess I you were
a young woman and you know, I'm

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old school.
So to me, like I always looked

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at it as women, got it easier
because, you know, a production

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manager is not going to yell at
a woman.

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Production manager is not going
to yell at a woman.

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He's not going to beat your ass
or hit you with a piece of pipe

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or something, whereas with with
a man you know you're just going

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to get abused to hell physically
too.

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Right.
And that and and that aspect, I

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guess we got it easier, but it
was the only middle I was

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shooting.
At everything else.

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Is hard.
Oh man, it was.

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It was definitely not easier.
I mean it it doors are opening

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up now.
Women are are being accepted

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into these positions and roles
more readily, which is amazing.

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I love seeing that.
No, I mean, you know every time

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I'm at a show and either front
of house or backstage or

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something, there's so many
females now that are on cruise

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and I love that.
Like, that's really cool.

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Like to me people are people and
I don't, you know, I've that's

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why the whole diversity thing is
different to me because I don't

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really notice that stuff very
often, right.

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Like, I wouldn't go, it's a
female lighting designer.

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Oh my goodness.
You know I would never.

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Say, is that allowed?
Yeah, like.

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Yeah, I it's.
And I I hate because the the

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woman topic for me is like it's
it's cringy.

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Like I don't hate talking about
it but I hate talking about it

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if if that makes sense, because
I hate highlighting that.

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Yes.
So about being a woman, yeah, it

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it needs to be talked about.
But I hate that it does.

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You know it.
No, I agree with you.

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I when I when I show up to work,
I don't go.

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I'm a woman going to work.
I'm, I'm AI go to work.

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Like when I go to work, I go to
work.

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I do the gig.
I just show up and I don't.

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How I look at it?
Exactly.

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Like, I don't, I don't make it a
thing of like, well, I am a

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woman and I'm doing this and
it's hard because, you know, I I

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do moderate a group on Facebook
of women in the industry.

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And like, I am kind of one of
the faces of women in the

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industry right now.
And it's it's a weird, weird

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place for me to be because I
don't want to highlight it, but

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I know it has to happen.
Well, here's the thing though.

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I think it's an important role
and and here's why.

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It's not to make employers, you
know, more present or whatever

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necessarily.
It's to make young girls

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understand that hey, this is an
option for you.

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You can go on tour the world
with a rock band and you know,

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be a lighting person or a sound
person or a rigger or a

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whatever, right?
Like this is a cool option for a

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career.
And so I think it's more of an

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education of of that side of the
crowd than you know, trying to

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force feed employers on the fact
that hey, you need to hire more

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women, you know, which is sort
of the the thing that I don't

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like, I don't like that when it
comes to any of these battles

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like it you don't Force One side
to to like the other side more.

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You just trying.
To and being hired.

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Being hired because I'm a woman
is also kind of insulting

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because there's definitely been
some jobs that have come up

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where like, we're looking for a
female to do this.

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I'm like, are you looking at my
qualifications or like what's

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between my legs?
Because I want to get hired

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because I am the right person
for this project.

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I want to get hired because you
saw my work and you liked it.

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You're like, I want to get hired
for the work I do, and not too

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much because that's the.
Case hopefully.

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That's hopefully.
You know, I have the same

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problem with my incredible good
looks.

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You know, sometimes I get hired
just because I'm beautiful.

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It's good to have a pretty face
on the show.

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Someone's got to do it.
That made me choke.

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It was so bad.
But no, I completely, completely

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agree with you.
Like, I I would hate that too.

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Like, you know, I know there's a
lot of people who who sort of

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struggle with, you know, is this
happening to me because I'm

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beautiful or is this happening
to me because I'm, I don't have

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that particular problem, but you
know, I know.

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That there are like it's more
the diversity higher issue, you

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know, like am I the diversity
higher?

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Do they need more representation
or are they hiring me because

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they want someone who knows what
they're doing?

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Yeah, you know, I'm sure you're
not a Motorsports fan, it, But

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you could have this conversation
with Sooner because there's a

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real big push right now in
Motorsports right now to to

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promote female drivers.
And my son is a professional

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race car driver, He's a male and
it drives him crazy because it's

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not based on talent, it's not
based on hard work or effort.

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It's not based on anything other
than what's between your legs

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and they're not disadvantaged in
motor sports.

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You know it.
It's not like wrestling or

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football or any of those things
where strength is, is, separates

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you like you know, obviously
you.

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Need there's obvious
differences.

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Yeah, but to create female
driving classes or or, you know,

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different race programs or
whatever, because you have

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female drivers over here and you
have, there's no need to

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separate them.
You never have.

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History hasn't there have been
very good female drivers and so

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it's a little bit frustrating
that they are you know and it

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hasn't worked by the way it it
really hasn't been a very

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popular direction.
But you know, I guess when I was

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asking you about the
difficulties, it it had nothing

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to do with the diversity side of
it, more like the reality of

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being abused by a bunch of nasty
men or buses.

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You know, I always think of, you
know the busing situation.

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What's that like?
You know and.

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It's actually weirder now, being
on buses with more women.

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Like, it's weird for me, 'cause,
I mean, I grew up, I I have

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three brothers.
I was the girl with three

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brothers.
So I was used to growing up with

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guys and like what that entails.
Yeah, I was the opposite.

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The boy with three sisters.
Yeah.

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So I was very, I went into
touring very comfortably.

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And for me, like, there's, you
know, there's going to be the

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old school guys of like, oh, a
woman can't do this.

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But for the most part, I ended
up getting all these Big

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Brothers.
You know, if anything happened,

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then it was like, hey, are you
having a problem?

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Is that guy giving you a problem
even at the bar?

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Oh, there's this one time we
were out at a bar in Oklahoma

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City and we were out.
It was late and it was a bunch

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of us playing pool and like,
just having a good time.

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And this guy at the bar was
talking to me and I was like,

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you know, just trying very nice
to be like I'm here with my

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friends.
And when I was, I went to leave

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and he followed me out and the
guys saw that, that I was

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touring with.
And so my touring brothers like

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followed behind and ended up
like punching the guy to like

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in.
Yeah.

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Like they ended up like helping
me out of a very bad situation

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that I wasn't even trying to get
into.

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Yeah.
So it's it's been very nice to

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have brothers, yeah.
Yeah, that's cool.

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Yeah.
So you know, again, I like I was

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joking when I said, you know,
that I always thought it might

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be easier for a woman.
But in reality, like, again,

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just the fact that sometimes you
might be treated more

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sensitively than a man would.
So in other words, if you made a

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mistake, it wouldn't be Hey you
stupid idiot back.

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Oh, I still got that.
Oh, really?

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Oh.
Wow.

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Yeah.
See, I'd have a hard time

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talking to a woman like that.
You know I just would oh man,

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00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,080
yeah.
Oh yeah.

442
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,800
If if any I got I've I've had
some really insensitive crew

443
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,840
chiefs who who talked to me like
that for fixing things.

444
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,920
You know like it.
Yeah.

445
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,040
So I mean I've, I've definitely
dealt with all sorts of sides of

446
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,280
that, that coin you know like Oh
well that's that's that's what

447
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,520
we do.
Like don't don't worry about

448
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,080
that.
Like we have guys who take care

449
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,320
of that, like, why would you
climb?

450
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,120
You know, that's that's what the
guys are for.

451
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,800
Yeah.
And, you know, being reprimanded

452
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,040
for trying to do my job.
Yeah, so it sounds to me like

453
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,920
you've managed to create a
really healthy situation where

454
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,440
you haven't forced people to
treat you like the dainty woman

455
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,760
on the tour or whatever.
Like you just want to be one of

456
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,760
the gang and and they've
accepted you as that.

457
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,840
And part of that, it comes from
being the technician first.

458
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,080
You know, like a lot of the
younger generation gets out of

459
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,080
college with a design degree and
they're like, I'm going to be a

460
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,840
designer and it's like, yeah,
but I mean it's nice to get your

461
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,680
hands dirty and get that respect
and understand what your

462
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,880
technicians are going through.
And yeah, I I common very

463
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,080
frequently make this mistake
where I talk about my past and I

464
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,920
say I was just a tech on that
tour.

465
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,400
And it's unfair of me to say
just because the techs do so

466
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,720
much work and I can't do my job
without them doing their job.

467
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,120
And it's an important role and a
lot of design students don't

468
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,000
really understand that or
appreciate that.

469
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,280
And with me, with my crews, I
don't ask them to do anything

470
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,440
that I haven't done myself.
And like if I want you to climb

471
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,840
up in that thing and do that
really awful, God awful thing,

472
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,080
I've done that.
Like I've done that 10 times.

473
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,320
I've done it in the rain like
I've done it, you know, with an

474
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,160
injured, you know, hands or
whatever, you know, touring.

475
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,600
Situation stuff, you know, I
mean, it's it's like, you know,

476
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,600
you've been willing to get your
hands dirty.

477
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,520
You've worked your ways up
through the ranks, you know, and

478
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,760
and yeah, so I mean that to me,
when you earn your stripes and

479
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,720
you don't just walk in and say
I'm a designer, I have a fancy

480
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,280
degree from a fancy school or
whatever where, you know, people

481
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,920
treat you differently and and
they probably should right at

482
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600
that point.
But no, that's all really cool.

483
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,360
So, you know, just to stay on
this woman in lighting thing for

484
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,920
a minute, you you are sort of
part of that group, right, The

485
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,560
women in lighting group.
And you know, again, I mean, I

486
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,800
think it's, I think it's
important for different reasons

487
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800
than I think what what a lot of
people think it's important for.

488
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,160
You know, I don't think there's
a need to force diversity right

489
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,320
now from a woman's standpoint,
because I don't know of anybody

490
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,240
who wouldn't employ women to
design A show or to direct a

491
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,920
show or to run follow spots on a
show or to whatever.

492
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,760
Maybe once you get into the tech
side of things, there's going to

493
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,360
be some weirdness with some
people who are, you know, a

494
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:50,080
little like a a woman couldn't
possibly, you know, climb a

495
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Truss and, you know, hang upside
down and fix something or

496
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,160
whatever, right?
They're definitely going to be

497
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,000
more organized about plugging
things in, though, and taking

498
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,200
directions.
Yeah.

499
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,160
That's true, huh?
Yeah, that's true.

500
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,000
So didn't you?
You spoke at LDI this year,

501
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,040
didn't you?
I did, yeah.

502
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,840
And was that on this?
Topic Well, I did 4 programming

503
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,200
sessions and then I did one with
women and lighting and for that

504
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000
it was, you know choose your own
topic.

505
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,160
And I I hate, you know, like I
said, I hate talking about being

506
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,280
a woman working.
So I just talked about working.

507
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,640
So I did it about like my my
design process on things and

508
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,120
kind of approach it from like
I'm a teaching about my process

509
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,160
and.
So was it all men in the crowd

510
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,120
or all women in the crowd, I
should say, or.

511
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,960
Or was it a mixed crowd?
It was primarily women, but

512
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,880
there were a few guys there.
My old college tech director

513
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,400
actually came and said it on it,
so it's nice to see him.

514
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,840
My brother was there, yeah.
Yeah.

515
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,720
So yeah, that's cool.
And you taught you were in the

516
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,600
ACT entertainment thing, right?
The yeah, you.

517
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,120
I think you.
Were talking contest Yeah, yes.

518
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,680
How was that?
That seemed like a really cool

519
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,480
idea.
Yeah, it's it's not the first

520
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,760
time they've done it, 'cause we
did it two years ago.

521
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,960
They might have done it the year
before, but I might not have

522
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,040
judged it.
But it's been an ongoing thing

523
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,600
and I really love that they're
trying to promote college kids

524
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,520
learning the console, and it's
really fun to see the what the

525
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,520
kids are coming up with kids.
Sorry, what the young students

526
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,320
are coming up with and how
they're approaching the rigs

527
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,040
differently and kind of seeing
that.

528
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,800
And it's great because we also
get to offer feedback and

529
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,440
whether it's about design things
and we get to open up their

530
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
their show file and like look
around what's under the hood and

531
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,720
see like how they built it and
help kind of are there any super

532
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,200
possible?
Surprises like are Are the youth

533
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,760
today coming up with some really
innovative new ways of doing

534
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,120
things or?
It's not new, but it's it's

535
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,600
interesting to see how they
approach the same rig very

536
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,760
differently 'cause they're all
given the same lighting rig to

537
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,160
see.
So to see how 10 different

538
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,920
people approach the same group
of lights is always really kind

539
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,600
of interesting.
That's a.

540
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,360
Cool way to do it, yeah.
Yeah, or like the different

541
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,960
focus positions they come up
with and like how they use it.

542
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,160
It's in their groupings.
It's fun to see that creativity.

543
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,360
And what does winning mean?
Do they get money?

544
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Do they get?
What do they get?

545
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,880
I forget what the prize is.
I think their school gets one of

546
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,080
the consoles or and they get biz
keys or something like that.

547
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,280
Yeah, like it's it's a pretty
that's.

548
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,680
A big prize?
Yeah, but the big thing is that

549
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280
it also helps put them on the
radar for, you know, designers

550
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,120
and programmers who are looking
for their next Gen. folks.

551
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280
You know, like those contests
are always a great way for us to

552
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,080
see, like you know who the new
talent is.

553
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Like, if you need a lighting
director, you know, who's who

554
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,600
knows the console, that's cool.
I get to see that, yeah.

555
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,080
You also got nominated for the
Parnelli's this year too, right?

556
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Or.
For a Parnelli A Parnelli.

557
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,880
Lighting director.
Lighting director.

558
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,560
That's super cool.
Yeah, I'm excited about that.

559
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,240
Yeah, so when do you find out if
you're the winner?

560
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,840
At the dinner.
I guess.

561
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,200
I don't.
I haven't heard anything.

562
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Yeah, I don't.
Tell you in advance, They don't

563
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,960
give you a nod or anything.
Unless I didn't win and they've

564
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,480
already told the winner and I'm
sitting here getting my hopes

565
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200
up, who knows?
But I don't know when you find

566
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,680
out.
I haven't heard anything yet.

567
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,760
So.
Do you know who you're up

568
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,360
against?
It's the guys from you 2, which

569
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,640
it's, you know, hefty, hefty
shoes to fill there.

570
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,000
It's, I don't know any of the
other LDS personally.

571
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,560
I've met some of them at LDI
recently and at other

572
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,840
conventions.
Believe sticks.

573
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,320
The LD for sticks is on there.
I looked at the categories when

574
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,640
I got nominated and I've been so
busy I haven't really looked

575
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,840
back, but it was a good group of
folks that they're in great

576
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,840
shows, so.
People always say that awards

577
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,120
are not meaningful or whatever
until you get nominated for one.

578
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,640
I mean, then it's really like,
wow, people actually think I'm

579
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,480
doing a good job.
This is really cool.

580
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040
You know to be to be
acknowledged is is always cool.

581
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,280
You know by your.
People, that's really the that's

582
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400
really the biggest part.
Yeah, I don't, you know, it'd be

583
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,880
nice to win it, but I mean just
getting nominated is a great

584
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,800
acknowledgement and it I am very
appreciative of that.

585
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Yeah, yeah.
So I we were talking before we

586
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,240
started recording and and you
said that you're kind of taking

587
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,320
a breath for for a minute here
and figuring out your next steps

588
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,280
and I think some of your bigger
acts are are not not touring

589
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,760
right away.
Demi Lovato's recording this

590
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,960
year, right?
That's that's the word on the

591
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,880
street that she's working on new
albums.

592
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,080
So it's a bunch of 1 offs until
that kind of gets legs.

593
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Yeah.
And so 22 or 23 though was a big

594
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,280
year for you, right?
Very busy, yeah, but lots of big

595
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,960
artists on that one for main
projects.

596
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Like.
What Brandy Carlisle, as a

597
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,440
designer for Brandy Carlisle.
So I was touring with her and

598
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,760
she was opening for Pink for
some stadium runs.

599
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480
So that was a fun, direct
support run on that.

600
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,920
Had you ever done stadium shows
before?

601
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,000
I had as a tech, so it was
really kind of fun.

602
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,160
I mean it's also it's just a
show, but it's bigger.

603
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
And then I I didn't have the
design challenge of designing

604
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
the full stadium rig because
that's usually like the big

605
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,280
things.
I mean, you know, Baz and Silent

606
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080
House and Dan Norman, and they
did a great job of like

607
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,280
providing a great playground for
me to work in.

608
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,240
So it's just a matter of coming
in and figuring out how to make

609
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
that work for the show we were
doing.

610
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,760
But even house lights going out
in a in an audience that big,

611
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,480
you know, a stadium audience
like that had to be a real buzz.

612
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,440
I mean, it's during the summer,
so it's pretty light.

613
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,880
So it's still light.
It's a very gradual house.

614
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,920
Lights out.
It's a natural, Yeah.

615
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,720
So that it didn't have that much
weight.

616
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,360
I'm looking for the big dream
here and I ain't finding it.

617
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,800
I know.
No, I'm sorry.

618
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,360
It just.
Seems like, you know, the bigger

619
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,200
things get, the more of a just a
real like feeling you get from

620
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,280
it.
Like, whoa, this is so cool, but

621
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,840
you're right.
Like, there are definitely

622
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,800
moments during the show though.
Yeah.

623
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,080
I mean, and it's and it's a
harder position when you're the

624
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,360
support act because you know
everyone there isn't there to

625
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,720
see your ACT.
Yeah.

626
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600
You know, like they might get
drawn in or grab some parts of

627
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,720
it or no other artist, but
that's not like who they're

628
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,640
there to sing along with.
You know, that's not their

629
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,560
shirt.
They're there to buy.

630
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,040
So I mean getting that audience
connection is a bit harder at

631
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,960
that level, that artist, I get
it.

632
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,840
But some of the some of the
smaller solo shows that she does

633
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960
were it's a more intimate crowd
of you know, really dedicated

634
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,400
fans and that's when you get you
know, the hairs that stand up on

635
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,680
when you're running cues and.
Yeah, who else?

636
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,520
Idina Menzel I was working with
Idina Menzel as the lighting

637
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800
programmer.
She was doing a bunch of Pride

638
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,080
Parade Festival appearance
things.

639
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,040
So Michael Berger designed those
and I smashed some buttons and

640
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:16,159
made it work.
And yeah, I lit a booth for CES.

641
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,560
Bunch of corporate stuff.
I'm sure if I sat and I looked

642
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,040
at, like, my invoices, I'd be
like, Oh yeah, that's that's

643
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,679
another thing I worked on.
It was just a very busy nonstop

644
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,600
year.
When I wasn't on one show, I was

645
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,600
flying to the next one and
actively working on drawings.

646
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,840
Those typically juggling 2 to 3
projects at a time.

647
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,280
Yeah, I was wondering, what do
you, you know, because you went

648
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,719
to school, you know, for all the
drafting and all of that stuff.

649
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,920
Like what?
What do you enjoy doing more?

650
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Do you prefer being in a tour
bus and smashing buttons like

651
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,960
you said, or sitting at a
drafting table or a computer and

652
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,120
designing?
I like that, whichever one I'm

653
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,920
not currently doing, if you
like.

654
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,240
Like when I'm up, when I'm on
tour, I want to.

655
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,040
I want to be working from home
instead.

656
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,760
You know, like working on
drafting.

657
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Like right now I'm working on a
rendering thing from home and

658
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,040
I'm like like I hate sitting in
my apt 40 hours a week, like

659
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,080
drawing stuff.
Like I want to be out, like

660
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,560
working on a show and then I go
work on a show.

661
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,920
I'm like, I wish I could be
drafting and I I guess it's, you

662
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,760
know, it's it's whichever one.
I'm not currently doing that.

663
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,800
Makes perfect sense.
You're a woman.

664
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,000
But I I I want what I don't
have.

665
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:34,720
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

666
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,640
I I do enjoy all of it for
different reasons.

667
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,280
So sometimes it's it's the I
get, I tend to get stuck on the

668
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,400
negative part of what I'm doing
and not enjoying the thing I

669
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,120
love sometimes.
And I'm I'm constantly having to

670
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,480
stop myself, remind myself, like
stop it.

671
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,760
You love this, you know, like
this is the thing you love.

672
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,200
Stop worrying about that other
thing that's worrying you like

673
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,720
you asked for this.
Think of some of the jobs that

674
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,760
some of your friends do or your
family or whatever, and and then

675
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,920
start comparing notes again and
then you'll go, this ain't so

676
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,760
bad.
You know, this is pretty good.

677
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,440
Really.
Like what I'm doing right.

678
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,400
This moment is great.
I love it.

679
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,800
Yeah.
But I mean, it's it's easy, you

680
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,920
know, it's easy to to fall into
that, like wanting more of

681
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,640
something.
And then you get it and then you

682
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,200
go, why?
Why did I want all this stuff?

683
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,520
Why did I?
Want it so?

684
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Much you know, and I remember
when you went through it

685
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,960
specifically more so than than
most of the people I knew.

686
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,280
And, you know, I got to see you
once a week on the Zoom calls.

687
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,240
And so I remember you were in a
real downer because you didn't

688
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:43,000
have any work.
And then I remember you coming

689
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,640
out of COVID going, Oh my God, I
got so much work.

690
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,280
I'm ready to shoot myself.
Like, this is insane.

691
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,800
What's I need a break, you know?
Yeah.

692
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,440
And it really hasn't stopped.
But that was two really severe

693
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,800
extremes there, too, you know,
That was just like from zero to

694
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,400
100 mph, like instantly.
And then it never slowed down.

695
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,040
Yeah.
Yeah.

696
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,800
So, you know, I don't know,
like, I I What are some of your,

697
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,040
what are some of your favorite
moments?

698
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,240
Like, what are some of the
really cool things that have

699
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,040
happened in the past couple of
years since COVID, since you

700
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:28,480
came back out of resting and,
you know, like what?

701
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,600
What what are those, like, sort
of pinch me things that keep you

702
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,320
going.
This is such a great gig.

703
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Yeah, I my first project when
things opened up, first touring

704
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,120
thing was with Max and Val.
They're two dancers from Dancing

705
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,720
with the Stars, and I toured
with one of them before they

706
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,440
were doing.
They have these tours that they

707
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,240
occasionally do, and they
produce them and promote them

708
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,120
themselves, and they needed a
designer who's going to travel

709
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,520
with it.
And so they called me up.

710
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,840
So it's me and the two guys from
the show and two other dancers

711
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,520
and a stage manager and a van.
Really.

712
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Yeah.
And like, you know, there's a

713
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,120
lot of ideas.
And we just traveled together,

714
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,640
just us.
And it was very guerrilla

715
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,400
theater, sort of because we just
walked in with whatever they had

716
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,520
available.
Like, sorry, all of the wardrobe

717
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,000
and props were in suitcases that
we, you know, flew with.

718
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,960
And it was just back to the
basics.

719
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Yeah.
And it just really reminded me

720
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,240
of of why I do this and what it
came from.

721
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,960
And you know, even if you have 8
Park hands, you still have to

722
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960
make a show.
And it was really, it's just

723
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,360
great to get back in touch with
that.

724
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Well, in the camaraderie, the
fact that, you know, everyone is

725
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,400
so close in such close quarters,
and we're all like rolling up

726
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,160
our sleeves and making a show
happen, you know, that stuff's

727
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,200
really fun.
You know, it's like, yeah, you

728
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,160
know, I've, I've been through
similar situations where, you

729
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,680
know, sometimes it's who you're
doing it with as as much as what

730
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,120
you're doing, right?
That that makes a huge

731
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,600
difference.
So yeah.

732
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,240
And it was, it was also
different because, you know,

733
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:01,360
there was such access to the
talent, 'cause now it's like,

734
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
you know, touring with the
artists I work with, I never see

735
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,040
them.
I never talk to them.

736
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,600
I never really get that
interaction.

737
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,040
So it was just nice to be
backwards.

738
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,200
It was a very, you know,
collaborative state of being.

739
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,720
You know, like they could
immediately tell you and give

740
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:19,520
you feedback on a thing or just
go like, hey, I have an idea and

741
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520
just having that sort of
connection to the person I was

742
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,520
working for.
Yeah, I mean, sitting down at

743
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,880
breakfast the next morning and
go, what'd you like about last

744
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,320
night?
What'd you hate about last

745
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:28,760
night?
What?

746
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,120
You know, I had this idea.
What do you think?

747
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,000
And and then all of a sudden,
the next night is completely

748
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,160
different than last night.
And then you do it again the

749
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080
next morning at breakfast and
you go, OK, like what?

750
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,440
What should we change from that
one?

751
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
I I mean, that's got to be a lot
of fun.

752
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,200
That's a whole.
It's A and it.

753
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,080
It's a connect.
I really love that connection.

754
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,240
When I get that with an artist,
'cause they don't get that very

755
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:51,800
frequently and it's not very
common.

756
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,920
When I worked with Jared Leto, a
lot of people kind of joke

757
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,000
around about like him and, you
know, don't take him seriously.

758
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,640
But it was really amazing to
work with him because he had

759
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,120
such an artistic background and
had such a cinematic background

760
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,120
that he had conversations about
what he wanted the show to look

761
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,440
like constantly and it was a
constantly evolving process.

762
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,560
So it's really nice to just have
that connection with with the

763
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,880
artist who knows what they want
or doesn't know, like knows what

764
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640
they don't want and have that
conversation constantly and just

765
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,520
have that process.
It just it's such a gift to be

766
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,160
able to do that with an artist.
I always wonder with designers,

767
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,120
if you prefer having
collaboration with the artist,

768
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,600
like having an artist who really
loves to get involved and you

769
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,880
know, I'll go all the way back
to the old days.

770
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,160
I'm Canadian.
So Triumph, you know, an old

771
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Canadian rock band who, the
drummer Gilmore was always

772
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,040
incredibly actively involved in
the show design and the lasers.

773
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,160
And you know, like he basically
sat with the production manager

774
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,480
and the design team and said,
you know, what are we doing,

775
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,360
let's do this, let's do this.
And he was very much a part of

776
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,360
the collaborative team.
And so I always like to

777
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,000
understand whether you prefer
that or you prefer an artist who

778
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,480
just says I don't care, make it
look good, you know?

779
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,240
I mean it's it's fun to have
that blank canvas of just make

780
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,960
it look dope, you know, I like
to it's it's fun because like

781
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,880
you are your own boss.
But at the same time when they

782
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,000
if they give feedback, do they
really have a language that

783
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
they're giving it in?
Like do they know how to have

784
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,800
that conversation Or when they
say I want it brighter, yeah, I

785
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,000
want this darker, I want, I want
that bigger.

786
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,640
And they don't have the right
words to elaborate on what that

787
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,480
is unless you try it out of
them, if they even know.

788
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,640
And then you try a thing and
they're like, no.

789
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,400
So it's nice to have an artist
who has that immediate input

790
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,720
before you have to go through
all the guesswork and you know,

791
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,160
has that conversation and has
developed a language.

792
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,720
Cause at that point they've
developed a language and like

793
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,080
learned different top different
like words and vocabulary to be

794
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,280
able to express themselves and
they come in with images and.

795
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,720
Dangerous, though.
Once they learn a tiny little

796
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,360
bit, now they're suddenly
smarter than you and they're

797
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,920
telling you how to design.
The show, well, it it's nice to

798
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,880
have that collaboration, 'cause
I'm here for them, 'cause the

799
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,880
artist is gonna have an opinion
regardless.

800
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,440
So it's nice if it's an an
informed opinion and one that

801
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,680
they can speak about well,
instead of I don't like it, we

802
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,480
don't.
You obviously don't know how to

803
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,720
do this job.
You need to go, you know, and if

804
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,200
you try to defend something,
they can actually understand

805
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,320
what's going on and understand
why it happened.

806
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,840
Instead.
If you don't know how to do your

807
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,640
job, we're firing you.
That's true.

808
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,760
That makes sense.
So what do you think your

809
00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:02,320
superpower is?
Funny faces?

810
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,040
No, you're pretty.
Good at that.

811
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,840
You're pretty good.
At.

812
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:13,840
That I think my superpower is
just working with what I have.

813
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,720
Yeah.
Yeah, like I I'm not that needy

814
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,400
designer who's like I know the
these substitutions are

815
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,480
outrageous.
And like this will never work.

816
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,480
You know, like I'll sometimes
I'll look at the substitutions

817
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,360
and go like, sucks.
You know, like how can I make it

818
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,080
not suck or suck less.
Yeah, you just make it work.

819
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Yeah, no, I mean that's that's
actually incredible because we

820
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,680
all know the other people and
you know, if I don't have the

821
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,880
XYZ dash A9, my show will not be
the same, you know?

822
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Don't give.
Me the A 8.5 I need the A nine,

823
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160
you know or my show just cannot
exist and.

824
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,160
And it also, it also lends more
impact to when I do, you know,

825
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,360
stand my ground and say no, like
this is a thing I need because

826
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,600
like, Oh well, she never does
that.

827
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,640
She must really need this.
Yeah, yeah.

828
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,840
That definitely helps when I
actually need a thing.

829
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:10,840
Well, I think being vendor
friendly is is not a bad thing

830
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,680
to like actually being able to
to talk to the vendor and saying

831
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,800
hey, I realize you don't have
these, you know, I'm totally

832
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,720
willing to take these ones
instead.

833
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,760
But then could you maybe fix
this thing over here for me, you

834
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,680
know, and it becomes a
negotiation or a trade off or or

835
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,120
you know it gives you a little
bit of leverage because you've

836
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,800
been so kind on all the
substitutions or whatever,

837
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600
right?
And it also it also as a as a

838
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,680
designer it gives you a new
place to try to approach the

839
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,960
show from.
Yeah.

840
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,440
Because it might not be the
light that you had or wanted or

841
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,480
had in mind, but it could offer
you solutions to problems that

842
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,880
you didn't realize you know, or
give you more options to play

843
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,920
with.
Yeah, yeah, you know we we

844
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,960
touched a a couple of minutes
ago on you know just and I was

845
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,160
making fun of it a little bit
but how you went from like

846
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,720
really being down because you
had no work and and to you know

847
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,120
really being down because you
were so floored with work and

848
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,320
but I paid attention and I pay
attention to all my friends on

849
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,840
this topic.
What does that sound?

850
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Is that on your side or is that
Sarah's mic on?

851
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,840
I think that Sarah.
'S Mike's on and she's listening

852
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200
to a video.
Yeah, I could hear a.

853
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Video Hear it in the background.
It was Sarah, the lovely Sarah

854
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,400
watching cartoons while she's
listening to our podcast.

855
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Diligent work.
Yeah, he's got to do it.

856
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,360
So I was oh, it just got so much
quieter.

857
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,160
It's so nice what a professional
podcast we're doing now.

858
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,760
Isn't this amazing?
It's so done.

859
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,600
But, you know, I was paying
attention and I pay attention a

860
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,000
lot on, on, especially on social
media.

861
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Like I, you know, I I feel like,
you know, I need to watch out

862
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,160
for people for some reason.
I don't know why, but, you know,

863
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,440
you became a part of our, our
fairly regular Zoom group on the

864
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,720
Happy Hour, the weekly happy
hours that we were doing during

865
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:13,160
COVID.
Yeah, You know, I, I, I do.

866
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,360
I actually do.
I was going to say I do and I

867
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,000
don't because you know, COVID
was such a terrible time and

868
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,120
stuff.
But there were a lot of good

869
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,560
things about COVID.
You know, I think, I think the

870
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,840
reset for our industry has
proven to be incredible for most

871
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,120
people.
You know, there are certainly

872
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,640
some businesses that have not
fared as well, but I think.

873
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,760
There's some infrastructure
that's hurting right now.

874
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Oh, absolutely.
And I think there are some

875
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,920
people who are hurting.
I I'm sure you know a bunch of

876
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,800
them and I know a bunch of them.
And that's kind of where I'm

877
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,720
going with this is, you know, I
noticed you were one of the few

878
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,960
really brave people, I think who
was willing to talk about it.

879
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,160
You know what what the impact of
COVID has taken, what the toll

880
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,400
has taken on me and and and then
again when when we all went back

881
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,840
to work really rapidly and we
were at 100 miles an hour, what

882
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,320
that did to you.
And you talked about a lot on

883
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,880
social media and you know to me
the whole mental health thing.

884
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Like I know that people are
trying to set up organizations

885
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,080
and and different ways of
helping people and that's great.

886
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:24,000
But I think they're also has to
be just friend reach outs, you

887
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,480
know, like pay attention, pay
attention when someone's hurting

888
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,360
or when someone has an issue or
when someone you know may need a

889
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,600
phone call or may need a hug or
may need a visit or whatever it

890
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,560
is, right.
So yeah, you know, I know you

891
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
think a lot about this stuff and
I know mental health is

892
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,960
important to you and and is a
big deal.

893
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,520
So tell me your thoughts.
So many thoughts.

894
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,160
I I think it's very important
that it is this topic that is

895
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,680
openly spoken about because you
know, I I've dealt with it for

896
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,280
years myself, with depression
and you know, abuse of

897
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,640
addictions and it was very
stigmatized for a long time.

898
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,600
So I mean even in high school
when you know that they wanted

899
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,400
me to go to therapy and take
medication, I thought that it

900
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,760
meant that something was wrong
with me because society said

901
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,160
something's wrong with me.
And I I've fought getting help

902
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,240
for a long time.
So it's I do love that we can

903
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,000
talk about it openly and that it
should be talked about openly.

904
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,760
Well, we know.
What happens when it isn't, You

905
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,080
know, I mean, we know.
I'm sure you know people.

906
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,480
I I know a lot of people that
should be here today and aren't.

907
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,080
And because either they felt
like they had nobody to talk to

908
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,960
or they literally had nobody to
talk to about their problems or

909
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,640
their problems were just so dark
that they just didn't want to

910
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,920
talk to anyone about it.
You know, they were embarrassed

911
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,880
or or hiding something or
whatever it was and it's just

912
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,600
not good that that people feel
like that that's their best

913
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,880
choice.
And maybe at that moment it is

914
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,680
like maybe things are flying
around so bad and you're so

915
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,800
caught up in all of this that
you know, you just don't know

916
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,240
any way out.
Like that is the only way out,

917
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,760
right?
It doesn't help out with social

918
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,600
media.
You see everyone at their best.

919
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,840
You know, you see everyone on
vacation and have, like, nobody

920
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,680
posts a picture of them sad
crying or ugly crying or

921
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,480
depressed without a thing.
Nobody posts, you know, like,

922
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,200
oh, I didn't get the job.
You know, like, unless they're

923
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,920
looking for attention or, you
know, in case it is a, you know,

924
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,160
cry for help of some sort.
But typically you see people

925
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,040
like, Oh my God, hashtag, you
know, blessed life, you know,

926
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
bottomless mimosas, us on
vacation.

927
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Like This Is Us at the beach.
You know, like, whatever happens

928
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,840
to be, like the good life
they're having.

929
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,360
Yeah.
And it, you know, it's it's hard

930
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,320
not to look at that and say I am
less than that, I'm not and I

931
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,520
don't have that.
What's wrong with me?

932
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,280
Like I'm having such a hard
time.

933
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Why does everyone else have it
easier?

934
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,720
And it's it's hard.
It's hard.

935
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,680
So I really try to be honest
with my posts and and post more

936
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,800
openly about the bad days and
you know, try to normalize that.

937
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,600
Like, you know, success isn't
easy and success isn't happy,

938
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,000
and success isn't what people
make it look like.

939
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,920
You know or you know, whatever
your definition of success is,

940
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,560
you know, and everything
worthwhile takes work and it,

941
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,600
you know, involves giving up
things.

942
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,640
So it's just trying to find your
happy place where what's what's

943
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,440
more important to you.
And for me, my career has always

944
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,760
kind of been that priority.
Like, even above my mental

945
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,360
health, I'm guilty, absolutely
100%, of prioritizing my work

946
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,920
almost every.
Human is.

947
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,920
Almost every human is.
You know, we're well, you know,

948
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,880
because as long as you're busy,
you're also not thinking about

949
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,560
those things for the most part,
right?

950
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,280
So I think it it's a distraction
too.

951
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Well, even the work stuff can
get overwhelming because I find

952
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,520
myself juggling multiple
projects.

953
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,000
And I was on a show a couple
weeks ago, and I I was like, I'm

954
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,280
2 emails away from like a
nervous breakdown.

955
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,400
You know, because, like, you're
sitting locked in on one project

956
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,200
and you're just watching all the
emails come in on like three

957
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,200
other projects.
And your mind is just spinning

958
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,240
of like, where am I going to
find the time to do all of this?

959
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Yeah.
And you know, getting caught in

960
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,480
that and then you know not being
able to perform your best

961
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,680
because you're there in those
emails and all those projects

962
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,800
and.
But are you ever envious of

963
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:27,000
people who who, Because I fall
into the same thing, by the way,

964
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,520
an awful lot.
Like, I'm just like, I got to

965
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,000
deal with everything and I've
got to fix everything and I've

966
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,680
got to take care of all of these
things.

967
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,920
And I'm constantly just this
bottleneck of 8 billion things

968
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,440
that are coming at me, right?
And I know so many people who

969
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,440
are just like, whatever, I'll
get to that later.

970
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Whatever.
Whatever.

971
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,560
You know that's not.
A big Is that when you talk to

972
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,400
them one-on-one?
Or is that like, is that the

973
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,600
face that they're putting on to
try to calm themselves down, or

974
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,360
are they honestly just like, OK
with the world blowing up around

975
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,440
them?
Yeah.

976
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Are they so used to the real
life?

977
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,880
The second one, I get the
feeling that it's just they're

978
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,120
able to shut everything off and
just not give a shit, you know?

979
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,240
And I just am not able to do
that.

980
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,440
I I don't have that gene in me,
you know?

981
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,240
So I'm constantly.
And as you get older, it turns

982
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:21,400
from this sort of healthy stress
to like a real unhealthy stress

983
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,760
and worry about everything, you
know?

984
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,200
I worry more today than I ever
have in my life and and it's

985
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,000
it's, I believe it's an age
thing, you know, because it's

986
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,760
not like I have more problems
than I ever have in my life.

987
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,160
So yeah, I mean I just, I'm
somewhat envious of people who

988
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,200
just, you know, they go off and
they, you know, roll up a joint

989
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,640
or something and smoke it and
they're like, I don't give a

990
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,720
shit.
I'll get to that stuff tomorrow,

991
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,160
you know, or the next day.
I'm going to take the week off,

992
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,120
you know, and.
I do.

993
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,840
I do find myself having to take
mental health days where I just

994
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,640
go, like, you know what, this
isn't happening today.

995
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,160
Like, I'm not.
I'm not getting all this

996
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,400
accomplished.
And that's OK.

997
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,200
Like, I there's there's times
where I do have to stop down and

998
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,520
say these deadlines aren't all
going to get met because I need.

999
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,640
I can't do it all.
I'm just going to sit and watch

1000
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,520
TV for an hour and play dumb
games on my phone and like, just

1001
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,360
not deal with it And a part of
its avoidance.

1002
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,120
And the other part of it is just
like taking that personal time

1003
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,480
to walk away and not focus on
it.

1004
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,200
Yeah, finding whatever that
thing is for you, you know?

1005
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,400
Why is it so prevalent in our
industry?

1006
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Like, why?
Why is it, you know, things as

1007
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,240
as simple as, like, abuse?
You know, drug abuse or

1008
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:44,720
whatever, substance abuse?
Or is it the lifestyle, the fact

1009
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,760
that you have a lot of downtime
when you're driving along a road

1010
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,600
in a bus and you get to think
about a lot of things and you

1011
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,160
start going down these, these
spirals or whatever, Like, what

1012
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,880
do you think?
You know, 'cause it just seems

1013
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,960
like we get a lot more problems
than than maybe some other

1014
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,480
occupations.
There's definitely, it's because

1015
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,040
it's not a corporate job.
There's no, you know, suit and

1016
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,440
tie.
It's like just the structure of

1017
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,920
the job itself is much looser
than most businesses are.

1018
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,840
And I joke around that nobody
gets into this because they are

1019
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,440
a popular kid.
You know, like it's a bunch of

1020
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,280
us weirdos that didn't quite
have a place to fit in.

1021
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,440
And like, you know, a lot of us
are trying to avoid crime.

1022
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,800
Yeah, that's kind of true,
isn't?

1023
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,920
It.
And like we're trying to avoid

1024
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,800
growing up, you know, so like a
lot of a lot of adults, you

1025
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,800
know, that have families at home
love not having to be home and

1026
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,400
be dad or be mom and not having
to do all that stuff and just be

1027
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,520
able to be a kid.
So it's it's a lot of avoidance

1028
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,960
I I think.
And there's there's people who

1029
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,920
are out there who genuinely love
what they do and love being

1030
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,080
parents.
But I mean there is definitely a

1031
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,560
heavy leaning to like Oh my God,
I don't have to be home to take

1032
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,320
out the garbage.
I don't have to fix all this

1033
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,520
stuff.
Like, I don't have to do the

1034
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,640
kids laundry.
I don't have to take them to

1035
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,080
soccer practice.
I'm just going to like go to the

1036
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,040
bar with my guys on the, you
know, because that's what there

1037
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,160
is to do.
And you know, bars are common in

1038
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,240
every city.
You know, like there's liquor

1039
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:16,440
that's provided by production.
In most cases it's it's a very,

1040
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,160
very, you know, carefree world
as far as that goes, like, and

1041
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,960
you work so hard at work that
you need to, you know, blow off

1042
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,360
steam.
Yeah, well, I I mentioned to you

1043
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,480
in the intro, there's a a guy in
the industry who he's he's, I

1044
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,880
believe he's a video tech,
touring video tech.

1045
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,720
And I don't know him, but I'm
Facebook friends with him.

1046
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,360
But I I've never met him.
I've never had a conversation

1047
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,200
with him.
And there's two different things

1048
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,760
that have happened with this,
this gentleman, I'm guessing

1049
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,840
he's probably in his early 50s
just by looking at pictures of

1050
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,960
him and stuff.
So one time last year I was just

1051
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,560
laying around with my girlfriend
and I said, Oh my God, you got

1052
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,160
to see this.
She said what?

1053
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,280
And I said this guy is basically
killing himself on social media.

1054
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,760
And so he, he wrote a few long
posts in a row that just ended

1055
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,600
with, you know, it's time.
You know I'm sorry to for all of

1056
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,480
the problems I've caused and I'm
I'm you know going to leave you

1057
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,840
all now and and and then just
disappeared for like 24 hours

1058
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,000
and of course all of his
friends, family, followers

1059
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,800
whatever they were were
commenting saying does anyone

1060
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,160
know where he is.
Does anyone know his address or

1061
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,840
his location right now Can
anyone track his phone.

1062
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,000
You know, we got to get people
there.

1063
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,280
Let's find him.
And you know, fortunately he

1064
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,960
pulled himself out of the
tailspin and and saved himself.

1065
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:55,520
But you know, one thing that I
would say is is there had to be

1066
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,120
signs earlier than that.
And I didn't go back and read

1067
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,480
every post that he made for the
weeks prior to that, but they're

1068
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,200
obviously had to be signs and
somebody wasn't listening to

1069
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,680
those signs that were being
thrown out there or didn't care.

1070
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:15,760
And so then secondly, he same
guy started posting yesterday

1071
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:21,480
that he had suddenly become
homeless and all he had was 2

1072
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,480
bags of stuff, clothes, whatever
belongings and his car which he

1073
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
was living in at that point and
driving.

1074
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,280
And now it had broken down and
he was on the side of a road

1075
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,680
somewhere in in Minnesota, which
of course right now I believe is

1076
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:44,200
probably minus lots, like it's
probably really cold there right

1077
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,000
now.
Not a good place to be homeless

1078
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:52,280
in a car and it was bizarre to
me because the people who

1079
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,440
responded and here's me reading
all these posts and really

1080
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,920
caring and getting emotionally
involved in this situation.

1081
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,560
Right.
And I don't even know the guy

1082
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,640
and but he's from our industry
and I want to help him.

1083
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,040
You know that that was just the
instant thoughts that came to my

1084
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,240
brain was he's in our industry.
I need to help this guy.

1085
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:16,960
And so you know, I I was
preparing to reach out to a good

1086
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,000
friend of mine in Minnesota who
owns a bunch of businesses and

1087
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,720
is quite successful and is is
also very religious and and

1088
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,800
would immediately jump to help
someone.

1089
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,040
So I was going to get the guy to
send me his PIN so I knew his

1090
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,040
exact location.
I was going to send it to my

1091
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,000
friend and say send one of your
employees over, pick him up,

1092
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,760
find him a place to sleep for a
few days, get his car fixed and

1093
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,320
I'll owe you a favor and and he
would have done it.

1094
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,120
That was going to happen
quickly, right?

1095
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,160
But the thing that floored me
was just the the responses that

1096
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:56,600
he was getting were very nice
and kind, but none of them were

1097
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,360
very realistic.
Like it was all, you know Google

1098
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,440
homeless shelters and and try
and find one near you and drive

1099
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,760
over there and and you can stay
there while you it's it's OK.

1100
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,480
You know it's not demeaning or
anything to to get a reset in a

1101
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,320
homeless shelter.
You know you'll be fine.

1102
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,040
You'll have food and and a warm
place to sleep and he's like you

1103
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,960
might not be getting this.
My car is broken down.

1104
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,560
If I leave my car I freeze to
death.

1105
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,920
It's my only warmth right now
and I have less than $20 to my

1106
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:32,520
name and so you know that's just
not a good option right now and

1107
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,760
and you know he wasn't even
asking for people to come and

1108
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,360
take care of him or help him or
anything.

1109
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,440
He was just being real and
telling the world his situation.

1110
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:46,200
There was never a single good,
good suggestion made to him and

1111
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,160
so somebody must have reached
out in Messenger or something

1112
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,960
directly to him because he said,
you know, a very kind soul has

1113
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,680
has helped me out and
fortunately I I don't have to

1114
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,680
freeze over the next few days
and I'll have a a place to stay.

1115
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:04,640
And so it was a happy ending,
but it just floored me.

1116
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,400
You know that.
That someone on social media

1117
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,080
can't get their network to rally
a little more urgently than

1118
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,480
that, you know?
And and on social media, people

1119
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,920
are quick to offer, you know,
like advice.

1120
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,840
You know, even if it's not
really that advice that people

1121
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,560
are looking for.
A lot of that just comes to.

1122
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,560
Yeah.
And it's it's hard too because I

1123
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,080
mean it sounds like they kind of
waited until the last minute to

1124
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,760
ask for help like a lot of us do
because it's hard to admit, like

1125
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,680
until you hit rock bottom of
some sort, like I need help,

1126
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,840
whether it's with addiction or
mental or you know, finances,

1127
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,880
it's it's hard to admit defeat
until it's too late.

1128
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,720
So it's, it's, you know, it's
about learning yourself and

1129
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,040
learning how to reach out
earlier and say like or

1130
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,040
understand and like see certain
triggering things and saying

1131
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,840
like, look, I'm starting to feel
a certain way.

1132
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,440
And I know typically when this
happens, it just gets worse.

1133
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,000
Like, I need to, you know, like
start exercising more, or I need

1134
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,400
to start drinking less or I need
to, you know, put more social

1135
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,680
events in my calendar and be
around people and just little

1136
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,080
things like that.
Yeah, 'cause it's not just about

1137
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,120
things.
That are very helpful when

1138
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,880
you're in a tailspin.
Yeah, And it 'cause it, it's

1139
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,280
hard.
It's hard to reach out and call

1140
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,400
someone like one-on-one, be like
I'm, I'm not at my best.

1141
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,640
I don't know what to do,
especially because the people

1142
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,640
you're reaching out to, Yeah, at
that point, if you're at that

1143
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000
rock bottom, the people you're
reaching out to aren't trained

1144
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,440
to deal with those sorts of
things and will probably say the

1145
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,680
wrong thing and not know how to
help.

1146
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,360
So it's about figuring out, you
know, when in your cycle where

1147
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,040
you are.
And like if you're if you're

1148
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,320
starting to slip somewhere and
say like just being around more

1149
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,800
people will help without having
to say, like, I'm having a hard

1150
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,040
time just just exposing yourself
to the people in your life more

1151
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,520
frequently kind of helps open up
and relieve that.

1152
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,880
And it makes it easier to just
bring up conversations of like,

1153
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,000
you know, I'm just, I'm having a
hard time with such and such.

1154
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,200
Like this relationship is really
giving me a hard time.

1155
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,000
Like, I think I'm drinking too
much, you know?

1156
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,200
Like, my drinking has been a
problem for me lately.

1157
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,600
And it's been something that I'm
seeing, like, I'm not like, you

1158
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,680
know, pass out drunk, like black
out drunk, but I'm seeing that

1159
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,960
certain habits I'm starting to
repeat, I'm like, all right, I

1160
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,080
need to stop drinking for a bit,
'cause, like, I've done this

1161
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,240
before and I've seen where this
goes.

1162
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,800
Like, I don't want it to start
affecting my work or my personal

1163
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,720
life and talking with other
friends like they're doing the

1164
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,680
same thing.
And like, having that open

1165
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,200
conversation of like, yeah, I
haven't been drinking for the

1166
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,920
past three months either, 'cause
like it was just I was drinking

1167
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,360
too much.
Yeah, you know what happens with

1168
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,200
me?
And I noticed this recently and

1169
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:41,320
I I really stopped it.
Was it at the end of a like I

1170
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,240
did?
I I used to be a heavy drinker

1171
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,480
when I was younger, but now at
the age that I'm at now, like a

1172
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,680
really heavy night of drinking
might be 3 glasses of wine,

1173
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,480
right?
Like, usually it's one glass of

1174
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,160
wine.
I'm done.

1175
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:59,120
But what was happening is, if I
had a stressful day, immediately

1176
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,400
5:00 hits or whatever, and I'm
opening a bottle of wine and

1177
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,480
pouring a glass of wine, and I
probably only have one glass, I

1178
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:12,360
might have two if it's been a
really bad day, but the next day

1179
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,160
is a bad day, boom.
I open a well, I reopen the same

1180
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:21,560
bottle of wine and and then I
find, OK, it's Wednesday and

1181
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,040
I've been drinking wine five
days in a row.

1182
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,440
It's not a good thing, right?
Like, so I've and I don't, I

1183
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,240
don't set rules where it's like,
OK, no wine on weeknights or

1184
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,040
whatever.
I think some people do have to

1185
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,320
set rigid rules like that.
But for me, it's just like, you

1186
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,240
know, I don't need wine to make
me feel better after a stressful

1187
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,280
day.
Because when you start creating

1188
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,040
those associations like that,
you're.

1189
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Basically just saying it's.
OK to do those things right.

1190
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,600
So, so yeah.
And for me, like it it it's hard

1191
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,840
for me to stop at that one glass
and I'm like, oh, I feel better

1192
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,760
now.
It's like a second glass will

1193
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,560
also.
Feel more better.

1194
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,560
Yeah, I want to keep feeling
better until it's like 2:00 AM

1195
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,640
and I'm sitting there and like,
you know, sitting in Vector

1196
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,760
Works, pushing the same geometry
around for like the past hour

1197
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,920
ago.
Like, I'm so tired, I'm

1198
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,320
exhausted and my brain just
doesn't want to do anything.

1199
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,600
And I've wasted my whole evening
to red wine.

1200
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Yeah, because there's there's
been those nights and we've all,

1201
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,840
we've all been there in some way
or another.

1202
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,880
But I mean, I I've definitely
found myself there.

1203
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,640
Where I'm like, why did I, why
did I have that first class?

1204
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,680
Because that first class did it.
You know, The thing is, I

1205
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,280
unfortunately or fortunately, I
read a lot now, especially when

1206
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,600
it comes to, you know,
remarkably things like

1207
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,400
longevity.
You know, as you get into your

1208
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,120
50s, you start thinking, OK, you
know, I used to think 50 was

1209
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,960
really old when I was young,
right?

1210
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,880
Like I used to go, oh God,
fifty.

1211
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,560
That person's ancient.
They're going to die any minute.

1212
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:49,960
Right.
But then when you're in your

1213
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,760
50s, you're going, OK, hang on a
SEC.

1214
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,680
You know, like, I ain't ready to
go yet.

1215
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,040
I got a lot of stuff to do
still.

1216
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,440
And so I pay a lot of attention
to health and longevity and diet

1217
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,800
and exercise and all of the
really boring but really

1218
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,160
important things.
And you know, unfortunately for

1219
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,600
all of us, spoiler alert,
alcohol isn't very good.

1220
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:16,440
And you know, alcohol there's.
But it's so enjoyable.

1221
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,080
That's the hard part.
I know, and it makes other

1222
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,960
people much more enjoyable too.
You know, it makes them

1223
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,720
tolerable and it solves so many
problems, but the problem is

1224
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,640
like, you know, it's just not
very good.

1225
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:34,000
It does a lot of bad things to
really important parts of your

1226
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:40,320
your biology and you know it's
gotten down to a point now where

1227
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:46,160
you know the average male I
think can do 4 drinks a week and

1228
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,240
the average female is roughly
half of that two drinks in a

1229
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,040
week.
I'm so screwed.

1230
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,040
And anything they think that,
you know, the experts that I've

1231
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,880
read on are like, you know,
that's minimal damage.

1232
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,840
That's like damage that isn't
going to kill you.

1233
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,120
It's not really going to make a
big difference, but you're still

1234
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,040
doing damage.
Any amount of alcohol does

1235
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,120
damage, but that's tolerable.
Anything above that, you're

1236
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,720
actually, you know, you're
knocking years off your life.

1237
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:21,400
You're literally, you know,
every drink above 2 a week is a

1238
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,960
couple of days off the end of
your life or something, right?

1239
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,200
Like, I'm sorry to be such a
downer, but again, I read.

1240
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,560
What I mean I I part part of my
thing is trying to find

1241
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,280
alternatives to that.
So my one of my recent purchases

1242
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,880
is a sauna blanket.
And it is so great because you

1243
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,440
just sit there and you sweat out
all the toxins and stuff anyway

1244
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,920
and it's but you can't do
anything for 1/2 an hour.

1245
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,480
You have to sit there in this
blanket for half an hour to 45

1246
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,960
minutes and not do anything
else, 'cause you can't do

1247
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,800
anything else And it it's really
great.

1248
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,480
The hard part is finding that
chunk of time to do that, but

1249
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,680
it's great to just sit there
like.

1250
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,480
Have you ever tried a cold?
Plunge.

1251
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,800
I've tried the ice bath thing.
I yeah, it is.

1252
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:05,960
It's.
Hard.

1253
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,440
Just do the cold shower, like
what you know every day.

1254
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,840
One of the things I do is is you
know, you do your hot shower and

1255
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,360
get all clean and stuff and then
just turn it all the way to cold

1256
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,440
and do a couple of minutes at
the end of your shower just like

1257
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,080
that.
And that has so much benefit.

1258
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,960
It's crazy.
It's it's, you know, again, you

1259
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,560
can deny all of the science on
it, but there's a ton of science

1260
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,040
on that right now.
It's not just a new trend, you

1261
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,760
know, that all the rich people
are doing or the Hollywood

1262
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,520
people or whatever.
It's a very good thing.

1263
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,120
My house in Canada, I I kept
threatening to do it last year,

1264
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,360
but I didn't this year.
I'm going to do it so about

1265
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,840
probably, I don't know, 150
yards out the back of my house,

1266
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:54,000
there's a little pond and it's
fed by a stream coming down from

1267
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,960
the mountain, from the glacier.
So it's freaking cold, right?

1268
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,880
And my son is a lunatic, so
he'll swim in there, but I won't

1269
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:07,240
even stick my foot in it, right?
But my nephew does cold plunges

1270
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,840
in that pond, and I think I'm
going to start doing it this

1271
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,600
summer.
So I'm going to go walk down

1272
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,200
there, do a cold plunge for like
two or three minutes, and then

1273
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,000
shiver my way back up to the
house and jump in the hot tub.

1274
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,240
Oh.
Man, I would get so sick.

1275
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:23,399
Really.
How that?

1276
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,120
Yeah.
How that would be like Emily.

1277
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,319
Dies of pneumonia after cold
plunging.

1278
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,840
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1279
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,800
I don't think.
I don't think cold plunging

1280
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,960
gives you pneumonia.
I'm just, I I have.

1281
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,040
I just have no immune system.
Yeah, really.

1282
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,399
You get sick real easy.
So easy.

1283
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,720
Oh my God, yeah.
Well, I can fix that too.

1284
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:43,920
Next podcast?
I'll give you a whole.

1285
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,600
Long I'll give you a whole long
talk on on how to keep yourself

1286
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,560
healthier.
But you know, really a lot of it

1287
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,200
starts with just making sure
that you have the right

1288
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,399
nutrition, the right vitamins
and minerals, really.

1289
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,640
And, you know, a lot of it
starts with D3.

1290
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,560
Like this country and the world
are D3 deficient.

1291
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,560
And that's why, you know, COVID
hit some people a lot harder

1292
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,359
than other people.
It was one of the really big

1293
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:12,399
reasons.
I mean, there were other

1294
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,279
reasons.
Obesity and you know, drug abuse

1295
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,080
or just weakened, weakened
systems, right.

1296
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,880
But but D3 was a big one.
And you know, zinc is another

1297
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,399
one that people are usually
deficient on and there's all

1298
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:26,720
kinds of other things too.
But I.

1299
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,000
Take so many vitamins, it's.
Do you?

1300
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,279
So do I.
Oh yeah, like a traveling

1301
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:32,600
pharmacy.
When I go on the road, it's.

1302
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,960
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, as long as you're

1303
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,600
taking the right stuff and and
you know, magnesium is another

1304
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,359
good one.
I mean, there's there's all the

1305
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:46,160
stuff that, you know, really
helps You just survive some of

1306
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,120
this stuff, some of the stresses
that we put on our body and it

1307
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,040
also helps offset the alcohol
and other bad things that we do.

1308
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,720
Yeah, I mean the work stress, I
mean between the like the

1309
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,160
cortisol levels and you know,
the the lack of sleep and stuff

1310
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,120
like that.
And even like with sleep, Yeah.

1311
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,520
When you're sleeping is when
your brain has a chance to flush

1312
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,240
out all of the, the, the blood
that's been pumped through there

1313
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,960
because there are no veins or
arteries in there.

1314
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,680
Yeah.
It's like weird little things

1315
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,680
like that, you know, Like
certain things we deprive

1316
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,400
ourselves of when we're working
90 hours a week.

1317
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,320
Are you traveling and even his
traveling?

1318
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:18,840
Yeah.
Yeah.

1319
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,560
I mean just not having that
regular cycle and forget the

1320
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,040
name of that cycle, but just you
know.

1321
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,360
I wear this.
It's called a oral ring.

1322
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,560
Yeah, I've seen that.
The other one that people do is

1323
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:36,440
the whoop strap or whatever.
But you know, you don't realize

1324
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,240
how screwed up your sleep is
until you start monitoring it

1325
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,320
and going, Jesus Christ, I'm
supposed to do what, 7 hours?

1326
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,360
You know, in a row.
And you know I pay so much more

1327
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,240
attention to that stuff and to
you know, I didn't know what HRV

1328
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,480
was in the past, you know, and
and now I pay attention to my

1329
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,000
HRV balance every day.
You know, what am I doing?

1330
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,280
And it's amazing when you do
positive things, how it impacts

1331
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,000
some of those things right away,
you start seeing positive

1332
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,040
response back from it.
So yeah, I mean, admittedly,

1333
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,920
I've gone over the edge on a lot
of this stuff.

1334
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,200
Like I've.
Definitely.

1335
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,800
I'm paying way too much, paying
too much notice to all of it.

1336
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,520
But you know, my dad died at 52.
I've already outlived my dad of

1337
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,040
of a heart attack.
I've already outlived them and I

1338
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,800
pay attention to my heart and
all of those other things.

1339
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,480
So but yeah, mental health is is
the big one that I think is much

1340
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,560
darker and and maybe harder to
spot.

1341
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,720
Like you can spot when
somebody's getting unhealthy,

1342
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,040
but you can't always spot when
their mental health is impacted.

1343
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,880
And I think as as good humans we
need to pay attention.

1344
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,200
We got a you know, even if you
don't know the person, but you

1345
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,400
happen to be their friend on
Facebook, you know you're

1346
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,920
connected on Facebook.
Do something, you know, like I I

1347
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,480
feel like I want to help this
guy.

1348
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,920
You know, I may actually still
connect him to my friend.

1349
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,680
And who knows, he could have a
whole start of a new career by

1350
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,560
working for one of my buddies
companies or something and get

1351
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,280
out of the touring business
because it's obviously not

1352
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,800
really healthy for him right
now.

1353
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:16,440
So, you know, but anything else
you want to talk about?

1354
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:20,000
Or have we pretty much exhausted
ourselves?

1355
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,040
I think that's a if you've
covered a pretty good.

1356
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,920
We did, yeah.
We went all the way from your

1357
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,360
favorite topic, women in
lighting, to mental.

1358
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,120
Health to mental well-being and
and those are the important

1359
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,040
things to to hit on.
I mean, you know, just being

1360
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,040
able to talk about, you know,
inclusiveness and open

1361
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,840
mindedness and setting examples
for next generations and yeah,

1362
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,320
you know, keeping an eye on
mental health.

1363
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,360
God, like mental health, you
know, abuse, you know, like a

1364
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,600
substance abuse and like housing
issues or like three hot topics

1365
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,760
for me.
Yeah, like it just there's so

1366
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,960
many issues, you know, just deep
down in this country that you

1367
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,360
know can be fixed in time if we
we put the right efforts in.

1368
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,360
Yeah.
Well, and in our industry, I

1369
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,600
think education is a big one.
You know, like just like the one

1370
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,120
of the things that I think COVID
really exposed was how

1371
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:18,440
unprepared especially roadies
were, You know, they because

1372
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,160
they were 1090 nines.
But they didn't have like a they

1373
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,320
didn't necessarily have their
own business and they weren't

1374
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,160
prepared.
They didn't have a reserve of

1375
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,880
cash.
You know, they didn't even have

1376
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,120
a place to live.
A lot of them, like a lot of

1377
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,480
them, didn't even have a proper
apartment to live in because.

1378
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,920
I've done that.
Jumping from gig to gig to gig,

1379
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,360
right and.
I've definitely had the sections

1380
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,080
of my life where things are in a
storage unit and just I'll do it

1381
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,280
the next year.
I was going to ask you by the

1382
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,320
way, what, what did your what
did your parents say when you

1383
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,680
said, by the way, I'm going to
go on the road and tour with

1384
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,680
rock bands?
Oh, I mean, my dad's a nuclear

1385
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:01,040
engineer with like 8000 master's
degrees, only like sticks.

1386
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:01,480
It's.
Yeah.

1387
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,760
And yeah, he's like retired
military.

1388
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,040
So he when you said you're.
Going into theater.

1389
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,720
Yeah, he was like, but you're so
smart.

1390
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,160
Why are you doing this?
And so it was that battle for

1391
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,840
years even like when I got my
degree, like I sat down and

1392
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,880
like, all right, we're going to
go over 2 two phase versus three

1393
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,440
phase power.
And we're going to sit here and

1394
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:22,640
we're going to balance these
racks.

1395
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,160
And like we're going to look at,
you know, this, this rigging

1396
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,840
plot here.
Like how do we create a bridle

1397
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,840
like the Pythagorean theorem
that use like is it a dynamic

1398
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,280
workload or a static working
load like going through them

1399
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,720
like saying all right, so you're
mixing colors.

1400
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,320
Is it additive or is it
subtractive color mixing Like

1401
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,400
the the different science to
what I do that you don't always

1402
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,080
think it's the science, but
there's so much science in what

1403
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,360
we do in physics.
And trying to explain that to

1404
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,400
him and showing him vector works
and the stuff I build in Cinema

1405
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,200
4D and he sees that I use a lot
more of my brain.

1406
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,440
Yeah, he's happier about it.
But they also probably worry

1407
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,680
about you, you know, going out,
or at least did when you were

1408
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,200
younger.
You know, going out on the road

1409
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,480
with a bunch of crazy men in a
tour bus and going to strange

1410
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:09,240
places around the world and
stuff.

1411
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,920
I don't think they're really
that worried about me in that

1412
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,200
concern, No.
Because I mean, like, I've

1413
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,840
always kind of been able to hold
my own, Yeah, growing up with

1414
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,360
brothers, like dealing with a
group of guys isn't really.

1415
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,160
Yeah, yeah.
It's more about like travelling

1416
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,920
to other parts of the world,
like, oh, is it safe there?

1417
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,160
Like, are you like a kidnap?
You can have all your stuff

1418
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,280
robbed?
Yeah.

1419
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:31,720
Yeah.
That makes sense.

1420
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,880
Yeah.
So my dad's usually travelled to

1421
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,120
those places already and has a
hot tip.

1422
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,600
Yeah, that's cool.
Before I let you go, who would

1423
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,560
you like me to get on?
Geezers who I haven't had on

1424
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,000
yet?
I could even be a.

1425
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,000
Woman had a lot of that's what
I'm trying to I'm trying to

1426
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,400
think of of other young ladies
like myself who could use.

1427
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,080
Well, there's a not so young
lady coming on in a couple of

1428
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,320
weeks.
She's a definite Gazette.

1429
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:00,960
Marsha Stern is.
Coming.

1430
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,480
Love her?
Yes.

1431
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,680
So that'll.
Be a choice.

1432
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,720
Yeah, that'll be fun.
I've been friends with Marsha

1433
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,640
for 100 years and we've I've
threatened to do it forever.

1434
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,440
So she's pretty excited to come
on and talk and you know she can

1435
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,080
talk.
So I might have to reserve a

1436
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:20,000
little extra time for that one.
Yeah, Lauren King, formerly

1437
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,600
Lauren Sigo.
She got married.

1438
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:27,200
She is a younger LD designer
person, but she does a lot of

1439
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,000
extracurricular like outdoorsy
stuff and has a lot of

1440
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,320
interesting stories.
She's like, you know, one of

1441
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,600
those Cliff jumping, parachute
jumping, skiing crazy.

1442
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,760
I like she, yeah, I love
watching, like her life on

1443
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,480
social media.
I don't know where she has the

1444
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,840
energy, but she's she'd be
great.

1445
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,640
Well, Sarah just scribbled down
her name so she may reach out to

1446
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,280
you for a a connect or something
to to put us together and we'll

1447
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:00,560
reach out to her and see if the
credentials fit.

1448
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,840
You know, it's not like, I mean,
all we're looking for for is

1449
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,160
people who have great stories
and who have something to say.

1450
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,600
You know, like, I don't care
whether you want to sit and talk

1451
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,360
about, you know, health all day
or or you want to talk about

1452
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,200
lights all day or you want to
talk about.

1453
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,280
Have you had Dan Hadley on
'cause I think Dan and Tess

1454
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,920
would be a great, like, dual
appearance.

1455
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,600
That'd be awesome to have the
two of them on together.

1456
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,680
No, I.
Don't.

1457
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,200
I would watch that for sure.
My goodness, OK?

1458
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,400
Who is Dan Hadley?
Dan Hadley, he's LD for the Foo

1459
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,080
Fighters and many other relates
his big.

1460
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,480
Yeah, John Wiseman actually
threatened to connect us too at

1461
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:41,520
one point.
But I don't know, Dan.

1462
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,600
Yeah, I have no relationship
with him or anything.

1463
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,920
So yeah, that would be a great
one.

1464
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,160
He's a delightful human being,
yeah.

1465
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,080
Yeah, no.
Wiseman told me the same thing.

1466
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,440
And I don't know, I guess I just
never followed up on it or

1467
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:54,720
something.
But we will now.

1468
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:56,880
Excellent.
Yeah, you too should know.

1469
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,680
Yes, you guys should know each
other.

1470
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,080
Well, thank you so much Emily.
I'm so happy we finally did

1471
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,840
this.
And it's nice to see your

1472
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,880
smiling face and you know, keep
me updated what you're up to or

1473
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,880
I'll follow you on social media.
I'm sure I'll see.

1474
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,760
Something but sounds.
Good.

1475
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,840
Yeah, Let me know.
All right.

1476
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,600
Excellent.
Thank you so much for having me.

1477
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,240
All right, cool.
Have a good one.

1478
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:20,440
You too.
Thanks.

1479
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:20,960
Bye.

#217 - Emily Bornt - Lighting Designer and Director

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