#213 - John Wiseman year end chat on the biz, his health and so much more

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Something's weird here.
My desk is too low.

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That's what it is now I can see.
So yeah, it's after Christmas.

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Now, I don't know when it is
that you're listening to this,

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but I'm between Christmas and
New Year's and Christmas was

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boring.
New Year's is probably going to

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be boring because I don't
generally like to do a heck of a

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lot at New Year's, and I call it
amateur hour.

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You know, it's just one of those
nights.

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It's like Valentine's Day where
you you get half the service and

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half the quality at twice the
price and you just end up

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disappointed.
So I'm just not going to do it.

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I'm not going to go there.
And so, yeah, I think New Year's

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will be a pretty quiet night.
You know, for me, this whole

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week, like the whole Christmas
to New Year's end of year kind

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of thing, it's it's about two
things, reflecting and planning.

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And so you're reflecting on what
just happened, what the hell

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just went on in in 2023 and
planning being, how am I either

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going to repeat this because it
was an amazing year or in my

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case completely, you know,
destroy it and blow it up and

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turn it into something amazing
next year.

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And so a lot of planning, a lot
of reflecting, a lot of just

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reminders and learning and all
of that kind of stuff.

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So I'm looking forward to it.
I've been recording a bunch of

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podcasts.
We're doing a sponsor special,

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which I believe will air maybe
the day after this one does.

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So I think it's gonna be episode
214 that is really just

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gratitude to our sponsors,
asking them a few questions

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about how they saw the business
this year, how they're going to

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see it next year, and some good
responses there.

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So hopefully you'll enjoy that
as well.

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And but today is actually one of
my favorite people in the whole

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industry, a very good friend of
mine.

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We've become quite close
buddies.

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I talk to him a lot.
We speak almost every day, every

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couple of days.
Sometimes it's about business,

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sometimes it's not.
Sometimes it's politics,

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sometimes it's something else.
So I think we're going to have

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one of those discussions today
that's just kind of a mixed bag

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of everything.
And so, yeah, this is my good

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friend John Wiseman.
John.

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Marcel, my man, how are you?
What's happening?

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Merry Christmas.
Yeah, Merry Christmas, Happy

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holidays, man.
It's just likewise Beautiful day

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here in the in the Washoe
Valley, Reno NV, Lake Tahoe

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area.
Fantastic.

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You're not in the LA office.
I think every time I talk to

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you, you're in the LA office
lately.

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You spend.
Yeah, yeah, I bounce in and out

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of there a little bit, yeah.
Yeah, a little bit.

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I've been this was really a
crazy travel year for me.

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It was, I think it was probably
the busiest travel year I've

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ever had.
And that's that's saying

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something.
Yeah, you spent a lot of time

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like in in UAE and stuff, right?
Like I think you went.

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There.
Yeah.

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Well, I'd yeah, it's weird
because I, you know last year

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post COVID, which is you know a
good part of the discussion for

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some reason, my particular group
of clients all started in Europe

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and they all started in
stadiums.

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So I had you know well not you
know there's Europe and South

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America.
So I had, I had, I had Coldplay

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rehearsals in Costa Rica, went
straight from there to Paris for

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Beyoncé rehearsals and she
rehearses for a long period.

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And so we did a like a month in
Paris.

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Then there was a week off and
then and I went back and forth a

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couple of times and then there
was a week off and then we all

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went, started off in Stockholm
and who else do I have over

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there?
I had Maroon 5 over there, so I

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went over there like for two
days for those guys.

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What else do I have going out?
I just Mötley Crüe was over

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there, Def Leppard was over
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So it's just it's just like a
lot of bouncing in and out of

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Europe last year.
And were the stadiums generally

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because of the size of the shows
or was it because it's just

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safer and people were happier
being outdoors?

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I no, I had nothing to do with
safety or outdoors.

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It was just I think people were
starved.

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I think people were starved to
do something and those acts and

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those packages could sell, you
know, 40 to 60,000 seats.

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So it became economics and it
became demand, supply and

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demand.
And, you know, I, I, I, I

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thought to myself, my God, you
know, how, how how's everybody

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affording this, 'cause you know,
it's it's it's a babysitter.

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It's, you know, you got to buy,
you know, maybe dinner, parking,

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T-shirts, the.
Parking these days is freaking

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ridiculous.
I know you don't deal with it,

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but most of us human punters do,
and I mean like to go to a

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hockey game.
Parking is 40 bucks.

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Here in South Florida, where
nobody cares about hockey, it's

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40 bucks to park.
I'll.

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Tell you a funny story about
parking.

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So when I started Chaos, my
business partner was, you know,

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there was Nick Jackson and and
and Rich Oster and and we we had

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some other people that had parts
of it.

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But I was the majority owner and
the 2nd majority owner.

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The second one underneath me was
a guy named Chris Kamen who

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played for the Clippers for
eight years.

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And Chris is a delightful guy.
When he got traded, it just it

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hit the news wire.
He didn't even know it was

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happening.
So he and Farooq and Eric Gordon

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got traded to New Orleans for
Chris Paul.

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And it just hit it, just hit the
wires.

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And I saw it and I called him
and he was on the team bus and I

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go, bro, did you get traded?
He goes, yeah, I just, I just

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got the word, I just got traded.
I go, oh shit, he goes, yeah,

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and I go, what about my parking?
And he goes, you're parking.

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I go, yeah, because each player
had two parking spots.

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And you you would drive down
underneath Staples Center.

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They had a Val.
They had a valet there.

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And I he, I had one of the one
of the spots he gave to me.

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So I would bring clients and
friends and family and you you

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you'd pull up to the top of the
ramp.

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They'd wave you down.
You'd drive down the bottom.

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I.
Had the same thing for the

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Florida Panthers for a long
unbelievable.

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And they wanted me to re up some
seats that I was paying for and

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I said no problem, I I want the
parking again.

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And they said no, we can't do
it.

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You know they're cutting us back
on how many of those spots we

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can give away and blah blah
blah, yeah, so then cancel my

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tickets.
I couldn't go back to the

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regular parking lot.
You know, no, you can't car and

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going straight up the elevator
to your seats, it's like, hey,

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that's how.
Well, when, yeah.

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And when you when you when you
when you're there for a game,

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there's no trucks down there
because there's no load in load

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out.
So there's but there's there's

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room for like probably 50 cars
and that's it.

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And so it's all it's the team
only and the visiting bus is

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parked there.
So the visiting team would go in

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and out of there.
But man, as I've gotten older,

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it I had no idea parking would
be so important.

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It's true, man.
It is true.

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It's.
Amazing.

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Oh my.
Especially my.

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Daughter, how far you have to
walk sometimes.

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Oh, yeah, my, my, my daughter.
We're just, we're just you and I

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offline.
We're talking about Keith Urban.

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So my, my, my daughter Katie,
she came to me and she said,

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hey, dad, I want to go see this
guy named Keith Urban.

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And this is like 20 years ago.
And I go, who's that?

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She said, oh, no, he's really,
he's got to be really big.

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He's really good.
And I went, you know, we're

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living in LA at the time and I'm
thinking, I said, oh shit, I

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don't want to go to a show.
And she said I go, where's he

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playing?
She goes Universal Amphitheater.

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I go, oh, no problem.
Drive down back lot, valet

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parking.
I go, sure, let's go.

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Yeah.
That's amazing.

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But you know, you were talking
about Europe.

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The The thing is, like, I know
my business in general, we've

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seen more growth in Europe than
in the US over the last year.

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So I don't know if that plays
into it or what, but it just

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seems like Europe was
gangbusters in 23.

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And I don't know who knows
what's going to happen because

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there's so much stuff going on
right now.

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Like, are are you paying any
attention to this?

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You know, who the hoodies are?
Not being the blowfish, the

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hoodies.
Not the hoodies.

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Yeah, the Hootie Rebels.
Yeah, the the guys from.

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The bad guys from Yemen?
Yeah, I know where they are.

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Yeah, paying, paying a lot of
attention to them.

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So, you know, they're they're
like pirating and blowing up

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ships and using drones to blow
up ships and stuff.

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Yeah, So what?
So what are we waiting for?

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Well, but I mean, here's the
issue.

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And so you know, without going
too far down the rabbit hole, so

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already this has only been
happening for a short period of

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time where they're they're
nailing ships going into the

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Suez Canal and blocking them and
or burning them or blowing them

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up or whatever.
Into the Red Sea, yeah.

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And it's already 3X freight from
like Asia to Europe and.

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Yeah, because they got to go
around the, the, the, the.

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Thousands of miles, yeah,
thousands of miles extra.

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And so 3 three times for a
container cost going into

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Europe.
And that hasn't really bled too

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much into the US yet, but it
will.

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And.
You know, like I was listening

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to somebody talking about it and
they were like, well it's OK,

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they can just do air freight.
And I mean not only is air

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freight like 10 times as much
money, but and and I didn't know

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the numbers.
But there's a lot less space.

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Well, listen to this.
Do you know how much less It's

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incredible?
And you probably do know it.

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There's.
Like 5%?

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Naughty Way less so a a typical
container ship can hold up to

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10,000 containers.
A 747 seven containers.

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Wow.
Yeah.

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So and then you and you got the
size of the door to deal with

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too.
So we've had, we've had things

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kicked off kicked off on the
runway because you know they had

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to like they they had a, they
had a change in equipment.

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So 747 changes to a you know
back in the day at DC-10 it was

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a different sized door.
Yeah.

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So all that.
Yeah that the the Hootie things

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and that's and that's
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a little bit of brush with that.
What's going on over there?

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A really good friend of mine
named Curly Jobson who deals

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primarily with our UK office and
Yvonne Donnelly over there who's

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just a really just a badass.
She's she's she's she's me of

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our company over there she's so
they do this thing called

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Sandstorm.
Have you heard of Sandstorm?

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No.
OK you have to check this out.

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Sandstorm is put on by a company
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Beast, not Middle East.
Middle Beast and Sandstorm.

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I'm going to probably get this
wrong but I'm going to I'm going

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to feel comfortable enough
saying I think it's the biggest

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festival on planet earth.
It's sponsored by the Saudi

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government and what I what I
gather from my friend Curly who

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who works directly for Middle
Beast and they are they are you

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know over there.
The companies are owned by, by,

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by the, by the nation.
So Saudi Arabia and MBS over

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there, the guy who runs it, he's
trying to kind of drag them into

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the 1960s trying to you know,
like like make it more Western

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kind of.
I think.

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I think the goal is, from what I
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They understand that the way
they some of their medieval ways

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of doing things or you know it's
not tenable with with social

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media and you can't have women
not drive and you know all that

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kind of crazy shit they still
do.

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So they're they're kind of, I
think that they Saudi Arabia

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will end up being more like Abu
Dhabi, Dubai, some of the you

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know cut Qatar, all those other
places.

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So they're dragging.
And So what?

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He's sponsoring this festival
and the festival is, is massive

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and it's probably one of the
best laid out festivals I've

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ever seen.
There's like six or six or seven

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stages.
It's massive.

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The video screen's like 100 feet
high and like 500 feet wide.

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No, it's insane.
This isn't the one that just

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happened the EDM Festival.
Oh, no, it's not.

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No, it's not.
It's not.

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It's not they got.
The one where Metallica played.

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That's the one that's it's.
EDM cause 'cause Rob was telling

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me about it on the podcast last
week.

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Well, I actually bumped into Rod
Rob out there.

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We actually, I walked into his
trailer and we had a really

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fantastic 30 minute good laugh.
He's a good guy.

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He's a good guy.
Yeah, that's the one.

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He said it's an EDM show.
That's Travis Scott.

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It was Chris Brown.
It was Metallica.

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It was, you might have started
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they did have they had some EDM,
but you know, like like

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Coachella is a rock.
The only, the only pure like

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festival is if you've got like
download festivals, heavy metal,

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you know, outside Donnington,
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And then you've got like the
country festival, what's called

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Stagecoach, that's, that's
country, right.

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But you've got, you've got
Coachella, there's EDM, there's

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rock'n'roll.
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It's not power trip.
Exactly.

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So which is, you know, kind of
smart marketing, but this, this

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thing was over the top.
So currently kind of runs it all

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and then like Alex Reardon did
the big design and did a just a

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spectacular job.
You should actually I should

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hook you up with Alex.
You should interview him.

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He's a.
Really.

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Yeah, that'd.
Be fun.

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Fascinating.
Very talented, man.

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So yeah, I just got back from
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So, so going back to the the
whole Yemen container thing,

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Curly has been asking me,
Michael Jobs has been asking me

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to come over because he's very
proud of what they've built

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because they literally were
there in the middle of the

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desert and they've got an
incredible edict from the

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government that happens to have
a lot of our gasoline money to

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put on something special.
And so they put on something

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special and they built it from
the ground up.

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They just, they just, they just
built it.

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And it's it's there's no like
like Coachella is confined by

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you know the polar grounds
download is confined by you know

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and and and what's the other one
that's in Scotland I can't think

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of big festivals get
Glastonbury.

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They're define they're defined
by borders and boundaries and

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cities and all that.
This is just do whatever you

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want to.
Do, yeah.

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And they go for.
It, yeah.

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And so they they brought in Alex
and they brought in some other

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really great designers that got
some wonderful people and it's

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amazing.
But getting back to the other

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part, so my wife's going, you're
you're flying to Saudi Arabia

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next week and I go, yeah, she
goes, isn't there a war going on

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over there?
And I'm like, yeah, you know and

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there for a couple of months
leading up to.

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I'm wondering is this going to
still happen because it's it's

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a, it's a it's a really big job
for all the vendors, not just

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not just PRG but you know the
local vendors and there's some

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other people over there.
I mean it's we we do a major

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part of the festival but like if
that's shut down it's a $200

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million loss to all the vendors.
So you you start having those

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kind of things and it it it, it
starts affecting the business.

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I mean you know our business as
you know Marcel looks really big

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from the outside but we operate
on pretty thin margins.

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We have incredible labor costs
and you know you you what is it?

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You can you can take five years
to build a company and you can

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you can 11 bad gig will
completely put you out of

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business.
So you know, where's the, you

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were talking about the freight
issue though?

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Well, the freight issue was was
I was just talking about the the

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whole Middle East thing like
because I'm thinking to myself,

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you know, you know every now and
then not to not to be like, you

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know, you have to consider all
the things I'm thinking to

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myself, shit every now and then
like Russia will shoot down a

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passenger plane by mistake, so
and so will shoot down a

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passenger plane by mistake.
It's like I'm going to be flying

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over fucking Iran, you know, on
a It's like, really?

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Is this a smart trip to do?
Because it would just be my luck

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after all the shit I've been
through in my life to get, you

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know, in a random passenger
plane shot down and where they.

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Go.
But it wouldn't be blown up or

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anything.
They'd just like, clip the wing

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and make you land somewhere in
the desert.

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You'd have to put up with a
bunch of annoying people for

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like 9 days until you got
rescued or something.

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They'd have.
They'd have to put up with me.

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Exactly, yeah.
You probably get grumpy after a

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few days, I would think.
Absolutely.

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Absolutely.
You'd run out of the food from

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first class and you'd be like,
God damn.

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What's going on back there?
This shit back there.

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This is garbage.
Flying has had to be with you

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traveling as much as you have.
You know, I I don't fly that

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much anymore but this year I I
did a bit, mostly because of my

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kids racing.
But it's it's a pain in the ass.

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It's a pain in the ass.
It is a pain in the ass.

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You know, even like and I
probably don't have anywhere

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near the status you do now on
the airlines because I don't fly

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as much anymore, but I'm still
platinum on a few airlines and

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kind of means nothing anymore.
Like you're just, you're just

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like everybody else when you're
platinum, you got to be like 1K

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or this or that, like all of
these elite, elite levels.

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I'm just not there anymore, so.
Well, but that's why I stick

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with pretty much like like 2
airlines.

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Yeah, I've got lifetime status,
the top status on Delta just

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from I flew him so much back in
the day and I don't fly in that

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much, but I still have the
status.

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They gave me a lifetime status.
But you know, I love Southwest.

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I love Southwest.
Because no expectations.

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Well you know what you pay the
15 bucks or whatever and you get

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the Business Select and after
all the after all the bogus

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assholes who claim to be pre
boarded.

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You know after those 15 people
go on for free you know you can

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get on you can you generally get
a pretty decent seat and it's

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cheap and cheerful.
I I don't do any long hauls on

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that but it's you know like I
kind of like the whole the SW

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vibe they're kind of funny they
they say funny shit when they're

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doing announcements they throw
peanuts at you you know.

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So, you know, I kind of like,
but yeah, but I I pretty much

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stick on American because the
price is negligibly the same.

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But I have such status with
American that I've had some

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pretty interesting, I've had
some pretty interesting positive

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experiences.
When they've canceled the plane,

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they canceled the flight.
One time I was on a flight this,

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this, this buddy of mine from my
hometown.

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He's a stockbroker.
And you know, him and I kind of

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came up in the music business
together.

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He went off in the stockbroker.
He said to me one time he goes,

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hey, I got to, I got to go on
one of these trips with you, you

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know, because you're calling me
from all these crazy places.

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I got to go with you.
And I said, OK, so I got Green

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Day playing at, playing at
Wembley Stadium and Joan Jett's

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opening and it'll be fun, right?
So.

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So come with me for that.
So he and I get on the plane and

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we're sitting on the plane,
We're in first class and he's

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next to me.
And they came up and you got to

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understand, you know, I look
like a homeless person half the

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time when I'm traveling, right?
So they they tapped me on the

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shoulder and to whisper in my
ear.

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Mr. Wiseman, this plane is going
to cancel in about 15 minutes.

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Could you very quietly, you and
your friend, Mr. Martinez, could

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you grab your your things and
follow me off the plane?

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Don't say anything.
Right.

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So it looks like I'm getting
thrown off the plane.

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And so we're grabbing our stuff
and we're real, real quiet.

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We walk off the plane and they
have the golf cart and they take

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you over.
They go, we got you protected on

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another flight.
We go over and we, you don't get

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protect on that flight and we go
the other flight.

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He just kind of looks at me and
kind of shakes his head and so

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we get to that.
We get to the hotel and we, you

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know they they upgrade us to a
nice suite in London which is

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just nice, right.
Didn't cost any more.

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And then we go to the show and
and of course I've been friends

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with Joan and they're her whole
band.

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Kenny Laguna forever, like
forever, like 40 years.

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And Kenny, it's the stadium and
they're playing, playing the

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stadium and it's like, you know,
6070 thousand people there.

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And Kenny Laguna is stage right
and we're standing stage right

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and he's playing, he's playing
now piano and he looks over and

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he goes Wiseman, hi, Kenny in
the middle of the show and he

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just walks off the stage and
comes over and gives me a big

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hug and it's loud as shit.
And we're talking, we're kind of

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yelling.
I'm introducing to my friend and

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I go, Kenny, shouldn't you go
back?

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He goes, Oh yeah, I should go
back and he goes back and finish

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the song and my friend looks at
me and he goes, OK, so the

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plane, the hotel, the guy
walking, he goes, who the fuck

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are you?
I go nobody.

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I am nobody.
I'm just right guy, right place,

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right time.
Yeah, no, you've worked hard for

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that.
You've worked hard for, for you

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know that little bit of benefit
that you're getting now at this

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stage of your life, right?
Yeah, why not?

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Worked really hard for it.
Plus, I mean the amount you're

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traveling.
And this is how I've always

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explained it to people.
You know?

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You can't raise your eyebrow at
me because I'm flying in

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business class and you know, I'm
gone.

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Like almost every single week
I'm gone somewhere on an

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airplane.
And like when I was with Martin,

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Martin was the worst because I
would fly from Miami to Denmark

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to China, back to Denmark to LA,
back to Miami, say.

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In six days.
My ex-wife go to New York, go

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back to Denmark.
I mean, yeah, like just

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constantly not even knowing what
time zone you're on, right?

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Yeah, that's that's that's
pretty much mine has been

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00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,120
non-stop like that and it still
is I think I was gone last year

446
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,800
probably about 250 days and I
probably of those flights were

447
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,480
probably, you know I was
probably on flights 175 of those

448
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,360
days.
That's insane.

449
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,120
That's a lot of flying.
You.

450
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,680
Know it's It's not a.
It's not.

451
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240
It's not really.
It's it's not a luxury.

452
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,240
It's really not a luxury.
Because what people don't

453
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,200
understand is like, we're not
going on vacation.

454
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,840
When we land, we have, we go
right to work.

455
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040
And I don't stay three or four
days in a place if I don't need

456
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,960
to.
I go in, I get done.

457
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,040
It's like, you know, like this
last trip to Saudi, that was

458
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,400
probably the second longest trip
I've ever taken.

459
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,800
You know, it was, you know, Reno
to Dallas was 3 1/2 hours.

460
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,360
Dallas to Doha was 16 1/2 hours
and then Doha and then there's

461
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:48,240
like an 8 hour layover and then
Doha to Riyadh's another hour

462
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,840
and a half.
So you're talking 24 hours to

463
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,320
get there.
And then, you know, I and I and

464
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,560
I was talking to a friend of
mine in another business.

465
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,400
He goes, do you really have to
go to that thing?

466
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,480
And I go, no, I don't have to
go, I said, But it's going to be

467
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,600
a lot of opportunity.
And he said, what do you think's

468
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,080
going to happen when you get
there And I go, I have no idea.

469
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,720
Like I said, I'm going to run in
to be like a random Rob didn't

470
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600
expect to see Rob.
You know, I ran to Tony Giaccio,

471
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,400
hung out with Tony Giaccio back
in the Metallica's dressing

472
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,640
compound for, you know, half an
hour, had a great time.

473
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,560
These are all just and you know,
and then, you know, ran to Alex

474
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,480
rear and hung out with hang out
with Curly, hang out, you know,

475
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,680
just one person leads to another
to another.

476
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,200
And then, you know, I just, I
got, I actually got business out

477
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,440
of there.
That and that's what happens is

478
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:37,960
I always end up getting 8 gig, a
sniff of a gig or two or three

479
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,280
gigs because you're in the mix
and if you're not in the mix,

480
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,720
you don't know what's going on.
So you know, a lot of times I'll

481
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,920
show up with no plan.
That's like, OK, let's see

482
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,040
what's.
Going on, Speaking of Rob, so we

483
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,600
recorded that episode on like I
think it was the 19th and we had

484
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,960
a fairly long conversation about
Lars and specifically about the

485
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760
meter.
You know, like, I'm like, how do

486
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,360
you follow the shots when you
don't know, like, is he going to

487
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,720
hit it here?
You know, because he he, he's

488
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,200
very, he pushes a lot, right.
Yeah, his meter's a bit.

489
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,000
You're being so kind.
Yeah, well, we were relatively

490
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,200
kind, but we got into it pretty
good on it.

491
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,360
And the next day or the day
after, I think it was the 21st

492
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,840
or something, he called me and
he said, hey Marcel, have you

493
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,560
already like completed that?
Is it uploaded or anything?

494
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,840
I said it's uploaded, but it's
scheduled for next week.

495
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,280
Why?
And he said, well, I know it's

496
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,280
probably a lot of work, but
would you mind doing some

497
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,520
editing?
And I said, yeah, sure what?

498
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,040
And he said, the stuff about
Lars, I said, oh, that was like

499
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,000
7 minutes.
And he goes, yeah, well, his dad

500
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,400
died yesterday, like on the
20th, I guess his father passed

501
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,800
away.
And plus Lars's birthday was on

502
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720
the 26th was when we were
launching it, I think.

503
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,000
And so he said, you know, you
don't have to do it.

504
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,040
I'm not telling you to do it.
I'm not even telling you that

505
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,360
it's going to be a big deal
because I doubt Lars is ever

506
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,280
going to hear it.
Just kind of the vibe doesn't

507
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,880
feel right.
It feels shitty and I said no,

508
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840
consider it done.
And I mean so I think I had to

509
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,240
get up on.
I don't know if it was Christmas

510
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,000
morning or the next day and
early in the morning I had to

511
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,880
download everything, re edit
everything and re upload it all

512
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280
and took me, I don't know, an
hour and a half or something but

513
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,640
you know.
You do?

514
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,680
Well, it's funny.
The funny thing about Lars is

515
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:32,280
he's the founder in the driving
force in the biggest fucking

516
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,120
band ever, arguably in the top
ten in the world and still

517
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:41,200
going.
And people want to want to not,

518
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,600
not criticize him.
We want to discuss what he does

519
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,280
and how he's doing it.
It's like motherfuckers doing

520
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,360
something right.
And I'll tell you Hey.

521
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,040
It's like Nikki Six.
It's like Rainbow Star.

522
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,880
It's like you don't necessarily
have to be good to be massive.

523
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960
And I'm not saying Lars is bad
because it takes a special type

524
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,040
of drummer to do what he does.
Oh man, they and they, they

525
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,240
created a whole new genre, man.
I mean, those guys at the speed

526
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,040
metal out of San Francisco.
Are you shitting me?

527
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,480
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you my funny, large

528
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,160
story.
And I've.

529
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,680
I've met Lars a couple of times.
He wouldn't know me if I walked

530
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,160
into the room.
But you know, I know everybody

531
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,760
around him.
And so I was with the Foos in

532
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080
New Hampshire.
There's this really great gig in

533
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,760
New Hampshire.
I forget the name of it.

534
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Lake Winnipesaukee.
It's like 10 minutes from there

535
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,160
and it's a small amphitheater
and it's about 8000 seats and

536
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,040
and I was there with the Foo
Fighters and it was the first

537
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:42,840
show without Taylor the first
right start off positive show

538
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,840
with without Taylor and it was
Josh Freeze was sitting in as

539
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,680
the new drummer and they were
kind of like it was the IT was

540
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,600
the weekend before Boston
Calling.

541
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,080
So it was it was a great, warm,
friendly, fuzzy kind of safe gig

542
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,560
to kind of get started right.
And and yeah and it was it was a

543
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,880
really it was a very it was a
very happy vibe and a very sad

544
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,000
vibe all at once, you know, as
you can imagine.

545
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,480
Yeah.
And so this was like a rock.

546
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,040
They call it roadie day, like
roadie day camp or something

547
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,200
because there's a swimming pool.
There's a there's a like a some

548
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,000
kind of putting course.
There's the the catering is

549
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,760
incredible.
They give you pajamas when you

550
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,920
leave that are embroidered.
Where's the date and everything.

551
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,520
It's it's.
You know what I actually have?

552
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,240
The brochure.
No, I had the jacket they gave

553
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,400
me.
I thought it was here.

554
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,240
I'll figure it out and I'll tell
you, but it's a great gig.

555
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,200
It's just outside of Lake
Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.

556
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,560
You can probably Google it.
I'll bet you, I'll bet you your

557
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,800
gal Sarah's all over right now.
So we're sitting in catering,

558
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,120
having a nice sitting in
catering, having a nice chat.

559
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,760
And they said, oh, we're the
opening band and I'm like, oh,

560
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,560
so let me, let me, let me get my
lighting guy and make sure that

561
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,960
you, you know, you get some
production, you get some stuff

562
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,920
doing.
I'll get all clear with the

563
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240
foods to take care of.
The foods are just, you know,

564
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,920
all about being good people.
And so, you know, they go, yeah,

565
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,760
can you.
Yeah, come out and come out and

566
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,800
watch us.
So I got, I think I caught the

567
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,840
last song and it was, it was
these two guys and it was almost

568
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,200
like a like a White Stripes kind
of thing, you know, just the the

569
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,880
drummer.
Royal.

570
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,000
You know, now the band's called
Taipei Houston, and I asked him,

571
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
I said, well, I said, where'd
you get that name?

572
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240
And they said, well, we just
were bored during COVID and we

573
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,120
found the longest flight we
could find, what's called Taipei

574
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Houston.
Since we're in for the long

575
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,160
haul, we thought we'd name
ourselves after the longest

576
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,440
flight we could find.
I said, well, the longest flight

577
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,720
I was I was on was London to
Sydney.

578
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,120
It was like 30 hours with one
stop and I got drunk and sober

579
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,920
twice on the on the flight.
So we had a good laugh, right?

580
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,760
So they're really, they're nice
kids.

581
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,680
So after the show we're all
hanging out, blah, blah, blah.

582
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,520
And they say, yeah, we just got
signed to do opening act for

583
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
such and such in Europe.
I said, well send me your

584
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,280
itinerary.
I said I'm, I'm heading over

585
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,000
there for for some gigs.
If I'm around, I'll pop in and

586
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,360
try to see the show like I was
unable to do tonight.

587
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Right.
And so they send me their

588
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,600
itinerary.
I look at it and they're in

589
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Amsterdam the same day I'm in
Amsterdam.

590
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,400
And so I I stayed over an extra
night and I went to the gig and

591
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,160
hanging out with these kids.
It was Lars's two sons.

592
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,880
No way.
I had.

593
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040
I had no idea.
I had no idea.

594
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,400
And they didn't die, which is
super cool.

595
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,360
No.
And they were the most polite,

596
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,040
nice, solid young men I'd met in
a really long time.

597
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,280
That's really cool.
Doesn't happen often.

598
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Well, you know, so, so, so my
large story is he and his wife I

599
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,800
think is now his ex-wife did a
hell of a job raising these kids

600
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,160
because they are Fanta and the
band was really fucking good.

601
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,320
You'd probably like them,
Marcel.

602
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800
I was kind of blown away.
You know to check it out.

603
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Yeah, Type 8, Houston.
Yeah, exactly.

604
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,160
Yeah.
What else you got going on?

605
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,200
How's how's Jeremy doing?
He's off right now, so he's

606
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,120
doing a bunch of SIM racing.
I think he's doing, you know,

607
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,600
the Daytona Rolex 24 races in a
couple weeks or something.

608
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,680
So he's doing the online version
of it because his dad's about

609
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,000
1/2 a million short of the half
a million it takes to actually

610
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,800
drive in the Rolex 24.
But he couldn't.

611
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,400
He couldn't get a couldn't get a
cheaper hobby, could he?

612
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,760
No, no, it's.
Well, I mean, to be perfectly

613
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,120
fair, like it's not been a
hobby.

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,240
It's really been his job since
he was about 8 years old.

615
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040
It's all he's really done.
School has been part time,

616
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,640
racing's been full time.
And so even now, like he's been

617
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,840
back for about 6-6 weeks I
guess, and he's on the SIM every

618
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,760
single day, at least five or six
hours racing the tracks that

619
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120
he's planning to be racing next
year and.

620
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,720
It's a passion.
It's a passion.

621
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,320
It's, you know unfortunately
it's a it's a job that's very

622
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560
hard to get paid for because
there's only so many seats in

623
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,560
the world that get paid and
there's a lot of billionaires

624
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,280
that have sons who or daughters.
Now daughters is sort of hot

625
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,920
trend right now who want to be
racing.

626
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,120
They want a trophy racing kid.
You know, it used to be a tennis

627
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,760
player.
Now they want racing driver

628
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,720
kids, so, So it's difficult.
Like I talked to him, I talked

629
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,800
to him a couple days ago, had a
long talk saying, you know, you

630
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,800
need to start having some life
plans past next year.

631
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,360
So next year he's going to do
one more season I think in the

632
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,160
UK and then from there decide
hey, is this, you know, where I

633
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,440
invest my life?
Because then he'll, he's turning

634
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,600
20 next year and so the
following year he'll be turning

635
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,080
21.
And I'm not saying he needs to

636
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,920
have a career and a life
planned.

637
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Yeah, I'd actually rather him
take three years and go backpack

638
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,840
the world or something, you
know?

639
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,520
But right.
Yeah, that's a good plan.

640
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,520
But I don't want him to keep
investing all of this time and

641
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,080
effort and money and energy into
into motorsport if it's just

642
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,400
going the way of billionaires,
you know so.

643
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,280
Yeah, it's it's tough.
You know, you talk about how

644
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,199
many seats there are.
I mentioned Chris Kamen earlier.

645
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,199
Yeah, I was talking to him one
time and he he looked at me and

646
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,120
he just said and I'm going to
get, I'm going to get this

647
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,800
number wrong.
But it's pretty close And he

648
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,239
goes, John there, there's like
10 billion people on planet

649
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Earth and there's 360 NBA
players.

650
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,199
Yeah, crazy.
He said the funnel gets tight.

651
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,440
He goes, I just happened to be
blessed with a 7 foot frame and

652
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,480
I worked hard and had some
skills and I was able to do it,

653
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,239
he said.
But you know it's it's it's it's

654
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,240
the it's the bottleneck.
You know it's totally true.

655
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,720
Well it's like and it it's like
I I I think you'd be.

656
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,960
I think you're a lot better off
with him than like I see some of

657
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,240
these families who who go all in
for their kid to be an NFL

658
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,080
player, all in for their kid to
be, you know, and.

659
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,240
Racing's even worse.
Racing's even worse.

660
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,800
Like, I know people literally
who have sold their company,

661
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,560
sold their house, sold
everything they have to keep

662
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,480
their kid in the dream to to get
there right.

663
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,160
And fortunately we've got some
good friends and some some

664
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,160
companies that I've done a lot
for who who are willing to

665
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,400
support him.
So that helps a lot.

666
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,560
But you know even then it's it's
like I'm still paying the other

667
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,520
half and and it's just it's it's
hard.

668
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,720
So, you know, realistically,
like in in, so you talk about

669
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:46,200
360 players or whatever in
motorsport, there's 20 in

670
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Formula One and there's I think
there's 28 in IndyCar.

671
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,680
And so in open wheel racing,
that's it.

672
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560
You've basically got 48 seats
paid in the world.

673
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,600
And of those 48 seats like an
IndyCar, now there's probably

674
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,800
about 10 that are paid for by
the dads, but they look like

675
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,200
employees.
But the dad paid for, like, you

676
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,320
know, I have a few friends who
happen to be very wealthy, and

677
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,640
one just finished doing a deal
for $12 million for two years

678
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,280
for his kid to race an IndyCar.
One did a deal last year, eight

679
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,360
and a half million for two years
in IndyCar.

680
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,200
And the difference in price just
is the quality of the team that

681
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,840
you're on, right?
Well, and of those and of those

682
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,840
of those 40 that you see, just
take Indy, for example.

683
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,920
I can, you know, the general
public can name maybe the top

684
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,600
three people and then the other
37, you know, who the hell they

685
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,360
are.
Yeah.

686
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,480
And.
And they're they're, they're and

687
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,080
they're finishing like, you
know, 20 seconds behind and

688
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,880
they're nobody's.
It's crazy.

689
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,760
No, it's it's true.
But but you know, they have one

690
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,440
of those coveted seats.
When you move into like, you

691
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,560
know, tin tops as the Brits call
them, cars with doors and a

692
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,520
roof.
You know, GT cars or whatever.

693
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,600
There's a lot more paid seats.
Not NASCAR, but like Porsche, GT

694
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,760
Cop, BMWGT, Ferrari,
Lamborghini, all the all the GT

695
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,280
stuff, especially in Europe is
huge and so you can go a driver.

696
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,520
If you meet the right people and
you win the right races, you can

697
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,240
go live in Germany and race
professionally and make €300,000

698
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,600
a year.
Have a.

699
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,760
Professional driver.
Live with a supermodel and have

700
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,200
a great life and Jeremy would be
perfectly happy with that.

701
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,320
He's not looking to get rich and
famous, he's looking to drive a

702
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,880
car for a living.
Isn't that awesome though?

703
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,720
Good for him.
You know, not an Uber, but yeah,

704
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,560
so.
So I was going to ask you about

705
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,120
business like 2023.
So here's the progression that

706
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,880
I've heard from most people. 22
was batshit crazy, you know?

707
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,400
Just like completely exploded
out of the gate and at the.

708
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,720
End at at the end at the end.
Really.

709
00:37:58,720 --> 00:37:59,760
It took it a while.
So yeah.

710
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Well, if you think about it,
that COVID was about 18 to 24

711
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,920
months and so that the the shit
hit the fan March 15th, March

712
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,760
18th, 2020 which I happen to
know that because that was when

713
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,640
we did the the.
Yeah, that zoom call thing.

714
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,840
The Motherfuck 9 middle one.
Yeah, exactly, exactly when I

715
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,680
when I said, ah, this is
bullshit.

716
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,800
There's there's no way they're
going to cancel these, you know,

717
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,520
I just completely called it all.
Well, I remember you saying PRG

718
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,600
is fucked if they cancel the
Olympics and then it was the

719
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Berlin auto show or something
then.

720
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,160
It's this And then it's.
That, yeah, you kept raising the

721
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,800
bar a little bit.
Well, you know.

722
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,200
PRG survived it and almost
everyone survived it, which is

723
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,320
incredible.
It's incredible.

724
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,160
You know what?
What a fucking mess.

725
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,000
So I would say, I wouldn't say
2022 was bonkers.

726
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,800
I would say the end of 2022.
It started gearing up because

727
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,440
remember Marcel, it was still
tentative.

728
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,240
Is this, is this coming back or,
you know, is this shit really

729
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,960
gone?
Or are they going to act like

730
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,200
it's gone?
Or, you know, what's going to

731
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,000
really happen here?
2023 exploded.

732
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,360
Just exploded.
You know and and and I mean like

733
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:17,280
so you had 18 to 20 months of
delayed touring put on top of

734
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,000
the touring.
That was going to happen already

735
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,760
and I kept you know, then I my
doomsday was when are people

736
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,920
going to run out of money, you
know and and at what point are

737
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,720
they going to stop putting this
shit on their credit cards, you

738
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,880
know?
And and so like next year is

739
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,680
next year is teaming up, you
know that our our our our board

740
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:43,520
and our our, our, our, you know,
management at PRG they came and

741
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,640
they said, you know, you think
you guys can do a 1012%

742
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,960
increase, you know, because
there's this corporate bullshit

743
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,160
where you got to, it's it's an
automatic you're going to grow

744
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,160
every year, right.
So I get to you know, I say to

745
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,680
them, look there was one point
where where someone in in

746
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,320
management said to me, you know,
we know we're $12 million off

747
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,760
and I just said no, no you're
not.

748
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,240
I said you're not.
I said there's there's things

749
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,680
that are going to fill in things
that are going to happen that we

750
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,680
don't even know about.
But I can guarantee you that

751
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,280
they're going to happen.
They said, well you know how do

752
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,800
you know this?
And I said because it happens

753
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,520
every fucking year.
It happens every year and and

754
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,960
and they they wanted a further
explanation and at this point

755
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Marcel I was getting a little
frustrated by by the what I no

756
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,200
shit.
Yeah.

757
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,280
It's very competitively stupid
fucking questions, right?

758
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,840
Well, that's why they call it a
forecast too, right?

759
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,120
It's not called a guarantee or a
promise or a whatever.

760
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,840
It's called a forecast, you
know.

761
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,080
Well, you know, you we we learn
or or we don't learn from

762
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,280
history.
You know history repeats itself.

763
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,280
You can you know like like not
to get political, but the

764
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,400
Holocaust now with this other
shit's going on, it's like

765
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,360
haven't we already been to this
fucking rodeo?

766
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:57,640
And so, so, you know, I said to
them because, you know, you know

767
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,680
me, Marcel, I can be colorful at
times.

768
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,600
I finally said, look, let me
explain this to you, OK?

769
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Yeah, we're, we're the tail of
the dog, OK?

770
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,240
And we're the part of the tail
that's right by the asshole

771
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,480
where the shit comes out, OK?
And I said, I said, and the dog

772
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,280
is the artists and Live Nation
and AEG and the remaining

773
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,840
independent promoters who owned
venues that they have to put

774
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,400
something in, OK?
And they have to put something

775
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,640
in, even if it's shit, to get
the parking money, the popcorn

776
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,160
money, the beer money, the
T-shirt concession slice, all of

777
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,280
that stuff has to happen.
I said.

778
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,320
They have a bigger problem than
we do because they're they have

779
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440
more at risk than we do.
They have empty real estate

780
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,120
sitting there that they're
paying taxes on.

781
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,720
They have staff and everything
else.

782
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,560
So I can just fucking guarantee
you that something's going to go

783
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,240
in there and they're going to
need something from either us or

784
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,200
Solitech or Four Wall or whoever
happens to be in it.

785
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,960
And I said we will get our slice
of that pie.

786
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,600
So get the fuck out of my office
and stop asking these stupid

787
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,480
questions.
That's what I said.

788
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,280
Did you see?
Did you see Rapinoe article?

789
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,960
Kicked him out of my office.
That's.

790
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Hilarious.
Get out.

791
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,360
OK.
I'm sorry, Joe.

792
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,600
That's hilarious.
Yeah.

793
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,640
Did you see the I, I might have
even sent it to you, the Rapinoe

794
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,440
article about how artists have
these massive social media

795
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,920
followings now.
And he said, I mean basically it

796
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,560
was him talking to shareholders
pretty much saying look we got

797
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,120
loads of blue sky and and lots
of untapped potential still this

798
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,760
markets going to grow big time
and they were like yeah, so how

799
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,840
And he said well pick artist A
for example has 10 million

800
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,240
people that follow him on each
of these social media platforms.

801
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,840
Our job is easy.
All we have to do is sell

802
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,120
tickets to 5% of them.
Well, and that and that's what

803
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,400
these guys do is they play the
percentages, They go, look if we

804
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,480
sell 3% that's all we got to do.
So our job of somebody Social

805
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,120
media 5.
Percent and that's it.

806
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,240
You know?
That's incredible.

807
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,640
Though that's, yeah, it's an
incredible concept that they're

808
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,720
milking it that hard.
You know what I mean?

809
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,000
Like.
They're that's that's that's

810
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,800
exactly how I would look at it.
Yeah, because we're we're in a

811
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,920
percentages game.
You know we're just in a

812
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,960
percentages game.
We're gonna like people say you

813
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,640
know is is who's the number one
company in the world like oh

814
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,600
what fucking day is it.
You know it's it's my I today

815
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,360
might be my day tomorrow might
be Mickey Curvis's day.

816
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,920
The next day might be whoever's
running four wall knowing you

817
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,280
know you know it's it's.
It's still West today.

818
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,800
I I don't know.
I've never met him.

819
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,960
I don't know the guy you haven't
met.

820
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,120
WI don't think so.
If I have, he wasn't very

821
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,520
memorable.
He's he's an interesting guy.

822
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,120
It's an interesting story
because he he used to I think

823
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,560
and Wes, if you're listening and
I'm misquoting this, I'm sorry,

824
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,800
but I think he was actually a
farmhand or a ranch hand that

825
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:09,120
worked for Mike Cannon on
Michael's ranch and and Michael

826
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,920
hired him to come work at 4 Wall
and then when he sold four Wall,

827
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,000
they kept Wes and somehow he
became the CEO and and he's done

828
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,720
very well.
Well, good for him.

829
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:21,480
You know what?
That's that.

830
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,360
That's the American.
That's the American dream.

831
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Good work ethic.
Yeah, good work ethic.

832
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,480
You know, work your way to the
top.

833
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,400
Shit, dude, I was, I was AI
started out as a stagehand

834
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,320
unloading trucks.
You know, I was, I was

835
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,280
absolutely floundering.
Didn't know what I was going to

836
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,040
do.
I had a lot of lot of plans to

837
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
maybe go to law school.
I was going to maybe do this, do

838
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,600
that.
And I just fell into the music

839
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,640
business because my girlfriend
worked at the student union and

840
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,320
I ended up unloading a truck one
day.

841
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,760
And so, you know, here I am.
Yeah.

842
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120
You would have made a good a
good litigator.

843
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,400
Oh yeah, you're a good arguer.
You don't lose a lot of

844
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,800
arguments.
No.

845
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,920
And it it it, it did me well in
the XL Video chaos lawsuit

846
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,560
because, man, I I dug in.
I was like, that was law school

847
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,080
for me.
Dude, that was 18 months, 14

848
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,920
hours a day and running a
business with Nick trying to

849
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,680
keep everything afloat.
That was a that was I remember

850
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,080
sitting down at court every day
and looking over because they

851
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,680
sued Val docs too as our general
manager and I remember look at a

852
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Val and just going, man, isn't
this fascinating?

853
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,440
And he goes, what are you nuts?
And like, well, look, I wish it

854
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,440
wasn't us, but this is really,
you know?

855
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,560
You're so funny.
That's the same way I was with

856
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Google.
I was like, I was in awe half

857
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,840
the time going, wow, I feel like
this is television, you know,

858
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,280
but it's actually I'm the one
getting fucked and not the

859
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,440
actor, you know?
Exactly.

860
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,560
And then and and and yeah, and
it was to me There I Look,

861
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,120
you're either going to be
miserable or you're going to

862
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,520
embrace it and have some fun
with it.

863
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,960
And I just embraced it and had
as much fun as I possibly could.

864
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
I I just loved intimidating the
lawyers on the other side

865
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,200
because they didn't fucking know
what to make.

866
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Know.
I told one guy was going to

867
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,360
throw him out a window one time
he looked at me and I I I said

868
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,840
look shrug your shoulders at me
one more fucking time.

869
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,680
And I I said I'm coming over
this table and I'm going to beat

870
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
the fucking shit out of you.
And then I'm going to and he

871
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,040
goes, you can't speak to my Co
counsel that way.

872
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,960
I go really pal, I go when I'm
done with him.

873
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,640
What the fuck you think's going
to happen to you?

874
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,880
I said I'll throw you out the
fucking window.

875
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,400
We're on the 40th floor and they
just.

876
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,760
And I said try me.
I said fucking try it.

877
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,360
That's funny.
And they shut and they and they

878
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,680
and they just shut down.
So John, was 23 your biggest

879
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,800
year personally without giving
me any numbers?

880
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,040
I think my biggest year
personally is I I I I sold a

881
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,600
couple of companies back in the
last 20 years and those were

882
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,400
like one time big hits.
But I mean biggest year as far

883
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,320
as as you know the the amount of
business you?

884
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Ran.
Oh a hundred 100%.

885
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,760
Yeah.
For for for me personally

886
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,960
underneath the the PRG umbrella
and what I handle between myself

887
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,960
and I'm I'm.
I'm fortunate enough to have a

888
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,160
really great people around me
like you know like Burton

889
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,600
Tannenbaum and luch and we've
got some really great young

890
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,720
people coming up Brooke and
we've got we just you know Paige

891
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,000
Newman who you know her father
and I have friends for years and

892
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,920
years.
We we were always on different

893
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,200
sides of the of the of the table
but always you know respectfully

894
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,960
enjoyed each other you know
we've got some great people

895
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,920
underneath.
So I'm tied to a lot of those

896
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,120
people.
Yvonne and James Morton and you

897
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,840
know, there's just some, you
know, Richie Garage.

898
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,760
There's just some really great
people in our organization.

899
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,960
All the way around the world.
You know what?

900
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,880
We we we it was we were firing
on on all.

901
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,880
It was like AV12 firing on every
cylinder.

902
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,920
It just, it was it was magical.
It was.

903
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,880
It was.
It was a lot of work, but it was

904
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,960
a lot.
I mean, this is the kind of

905
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,120
problem.
So, you know, someone would

906
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,640
complain, I'd go, Are you
fucking kidding me?

907
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,200
This is shit we dream about.
Bring it on.

908
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,480
So you're you're probably in
weeks of budgeting meetings and

909
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,200
stuff now and or?
No, I don't.

910
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,080
Go on now, you don't.
No, I just give him a number.

911
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,680
Is the number bigger for next
year?

912
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,600
My number, I think our number is
a little bit bigger for next

913
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,360
year, but that's not the beauty
of being part of like an

914
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,480
organization like PRG when
you're in the sales force is

915
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,040
that, you know, everything hit
last year, right?

916
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,120
But when I say everything, I'm
talking about in concert touring

917
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,240
because that's primarily where I
am.

918
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,520
But I'm involved in some art,
art stuff.

919
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,560
I'm involved in television.
I'm involved like, I just got a

920
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,880
call to be involved as like an
associate producer to do a

921
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,240
Netflix thing with Adam Sandler,
which I'm going to work for his

922
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:38,080
his brother and his niece and
his executive producer who's

923
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,160
does all his films.
I'm like way under them helping

924
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,360
them out.
So there's all, you know,

925
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:49,160
there's all these different
verticals that if like music hit

926
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,440
on all cylinders.
But we had the SAG strike and we

927
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,840
had the writers strike which
just completely shut down, you

928
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,960
know 90% of our film and
television division.

929
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,440
So.
So you know what, you know what

930
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,440
it is, Marcel, it's like if I'm
hitting on all 12 cylinders,

931
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,280
those guys are hitting on 0
cylinders.

932
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,600
So now it all just kind of evens
out if they if all of the

933
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,640
divisions ever hit at once, it
would be spectacular.

934
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,000
But I mean, like during COVID,
you had a little bit of

935
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,840
television.
You had lots of install work

936
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,280
that was still being done and
those like I remember solo tech

937
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:35,240
telling me probably beginning of
21 or something, 50% they said

938
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:43,400
what was it, we're at 50%, no,
they were at 30% overall, but

939
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,560
50%, I don't remember.
Anyways, it all came from

940
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,240
installed 50.
Percent of their business is

941
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:50,360
installed.
Yeah.

942
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,080
And that carried them.
That carried them.

943
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:56,320
And that carried them through
and and we we we didn't do that

944
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,200
much of that.
Those guys that's something we

945
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,440
haven't really focused on.
But what I'm saying is that you

946
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,320
know mute like in 23 music was
hitting but it was making up for

947
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,400
some of the losses and some of
the other parts of the company.

948
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,760
Now next year, music might we
not might not be firing on all

949
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,040
12 cylinders, we might be firing
on, you know 8.

950
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,440
But but the but the four that
were dead in TV and film are

951
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,200
going to be revived again and
that's going to make up the

952
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,600
difference.
And that's the beauty of being

953
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,360
in an organization that's not
just one vertical, right, just

954
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,840
one vertical.
You've got, you've got

955
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,480
complimentary things.
I mean and the other thing too

956
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,720
that I think makes us a little
bit different this, this is

957
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,520
Jerry Harris's vision that has
actually come true.

958
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,520
And he and he and he he
expresses it well.

959
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,920
We're the production resource
group, which means we're a group

960
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,520
of people that have resources
that know how to do production

961
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,720
right.
And so a lot of why we did well

962
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:55,120
last year is I didn't get in
bidding wars with people to

963
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,760
drive the price down to get a,
you know, X tour or AY tour.

964
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,360
We got interesting projects
where we were able to work hand

965
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,000
in hand with artists to bring
their their vision to the stage.

966
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:12,000
That is magic, that it's magic
on a business end.

967
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,000
But it's also magic personally
because you know as a salesman

968
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,720
I'm not AI don't play guitar.
I don't play you know any

969
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:19,960
instruments.
I've, you know I play the

970
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,240
telephone.
But basically there's a there's

971
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,760
there is a little bit of artwork
to a deal and you have to make

972
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,240
these deals.
But we also this we.

973
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,600
Didn't read that book.
Did you come up with a book?

974
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,760
The owner of the deal?
Oh no, no, that was the other

975
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,960
guy.
That was the other guy.

976
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,760
That's the other guy.
But you know what?

977
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,560
But the other part too is that
we're able to make it work

978
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,560
financially for people.
So.

979
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,680
So we have the financial
ability.

980
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,640
So we go a lot deeper than I
think the other companies and

981
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,920
not disparaging them in any way
because every every company has

982
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,560
has, you know, there's there's
things that are wrong with us,

983
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,560
but there's some pretty cool
shit that we're able to do that

984
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,240
nobody else is able to do.
We're able to have the, the, the

985
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:58,680
financial resources, the people
who actually know production and

986
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,240
there's a group of us and you
know we're in 60 locations

987
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,160
around the world that's pretty
cool.

988
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,000
That's pretty cool.
So our projects and why we did

989
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,560
last really well last year was
we weren't bidding on a square

990
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,200
video screen or 100 rigging
motors.

991
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,080
You know that's when you're in
the when you're 100%

992
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,280
commoditized which is what we
are not you know we're we're

993
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,480
we're commodity but we also have
some secret sauce so we can

994
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,760
apply to it.
And from a financial standpoint

995
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,960
and from a creative standpoint
our projects division did some

996
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,120
amazing amazing creative
development and delivered

997
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,000
products like like there was a
Art Art Basil or Art Basil

998
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,000
project down in Miami about two
weeks ago where I did a project

999
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,920
through an artist that I knew in
Los Angeles.

1000
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,400
He's kind of like a young Andy
Warhol where we we we created

1001
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,520
seven LED screens for him that
we delivered in 68 days into

1002
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,040
this this project for BMW.
And then then we built we built

1003
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:07,600
spheres for Coldplay Tour that
that fit the the narrative of of

1004
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,000
music of the spheres.
Right.

1005
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,640
We we built Beyoncé, you know
she wanted this this you know

1006
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,640
and and and the process with her
was probably 2 1/2 three years.

1007
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,800
And that was basically it was a
an LED screen that was kind of,

1008
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,000
you know a little bit smaller
than a football field that that

1009
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,400
flipped up and it had a big
opening in the middle of it.

1010
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,080
And you know we're in in the in
the creative discussions like OK

1011
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,240
we can we we can stagger it
with, you know because the LED's

1012
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,400
come in squares.
So we can stagger the squares

1013
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,080
and we can build a border around
it.

1014
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,440
She's like, Nah, I want it to be
an Infinity.

1015
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,600
So we built the little pieces
that make the difference that so

1016
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,040
it looks like, you know the edge
of an Infinity pool.

1017
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,600
And so when you're looking into
that thing, there's no big black

1018
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,320
border that's that's like
drawing your eye to it.

1019
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,400
And the fact that she had the
vision and the people at Stew

1020
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,280
Fish could translate that to us
through her and through through

1021
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,800
the meetings and then we're able
to very much so at the very last

1022
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,640
minute have Frederick Opsimer
and his team outside of of

1023
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:14,880
Belgium and Ustanda build that
with with our, our, our office

1024
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,680
in China who's on the production
line getting it done and deliver

1025
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,120
it on time.
Yeah, no, we we we've got a.

1026
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Smart dude.
I remember I had him on a

1027
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,600
podcast once and really, really,
he's delightful, interesting

1028
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,800
guy.
He's, he's delightful.

1029
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,400
He's big into the racing.
He'd be a good one.

1030
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,600
A lot of guys in our business
are, yeah, a lot of, a lot of

1031
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,160
people in our business.
It's crazy when I go to LDI or

1032
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,880
whatever, Now I have more people
coming up to me in the aisles

1033
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,920
asking me about Jeremy than I do
asking about gear or asking

1034
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,520
about whatever.
It's it's always, hey, your kid,

1035
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,200
I follow your kids.
So what's going on?

1036
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,000
You know, that's nice.
You know, the drive to survive

1037
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,880
Netflix thing.
So Netflix, I wanted to talk to

1038
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,840
you about this, cuz I know we're
both fans of two guys who have

1039
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,720
had very controversial specials
on Netflix, and you might have

1040
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,720
some insight into this, but how
the hell?

1041
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:12,520
And so there's Dave Chappelle is
is sort of at one level from a

1042
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,560
standpoint of crudeness.
But this new Ricky Gervais

1043
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,960
thing, So funny story because I
watched it with my girlfriend

1044
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,160
and like her niece and her
niece's boyfriend and her sister

1045
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,960
and stuff.
OK, that would be interesting.

1046
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,000
They're a little less, I don't
know, Republican or whatever you

1047
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,920
want to call it, than I.
Am okay okay.

1048
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,120
They were like shocked, like
they couldn't believe it And

1049
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,440
it's.
Comedy.

1050
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,120
It is comedy.
Comedy.

1051
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,960
But he just is so in your face,
you know I'm woke now his whole

1052
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,800
like I'm woken, no.
But God bless it, go back to the

1053
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,160
last time that he hosted, I
think, the Golden Globes, where

1054
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,280
he stood up there.
And.

1055
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,680
Fucking exorciated Apple and
talked to him all about how if

1056
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,840
if the Taliban or ISIS.
If ISIS did had a show, you'd be

1057
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,800
calling your agents.
If ISIS had a channel, you'd be

1058
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,160
called calling your agents,
right?

1059
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,440
And he and he said, oh, don't
come up here and don't thank

1060
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,800
your God.
Just say hello, say thank you,

1061
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,840
and get the fuck off the stage.
The guy is saying what I think a

1062
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,280
lot of people are thinking, but
they're afraid.

1063
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,040
They're afraid to like what's?
The funniest part of that Golden

1064
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:28,040
Globes speech was like when they
flashed to, like, Tom Hanks or

1065
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Ron Howard or, yeah, Tim Cook
from Apple.

1066
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,680
And they were trying to like
they didn't know what to do.

1067
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,640
Like they knew it was funny, but
they couldn't laugh and and you

1068
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:39,440
know what?
So rude.

1069
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,720
And they they.
They would have been so much

1070
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,640
smarter to just howl at
themselves.

1071
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,520
They try to look serious about
all because you know what that's

1072
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,880
you know we did You and I have
talked about this a little bit

1073
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,160
and and you know I'm I'm a
libertarian I'm, I'm, I'm I'm

1074
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,680
pretty much down the middle but
I lean towards the right towards

1075
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,160
conservative values.
Yeah.

1076
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,680
And and you know, I can have AI
can have a conversation with a

1077
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Democrat and I can learn
something, you know, I could

1078
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,040
like, oh, I hadn't thought about
that, you know, And I can have a

1079
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,240
conversation with a with a
Republican or a or a libertarian

1080
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,080
or something.
I always am open to learning

1081
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,760
something, right.
I find that the left is really

1082
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,160
dug in and they they get, they
go from zero to 100 angry.

1083
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,840
Just my perception, right.
And that's and that's what

1084
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,440
happens in this comedy stuff.
Like, I love it when they're

1085
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,920
taking the piss out of
Republicans, or when they're

1086
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,760
making fun of Trump, or they're
when making fun of, you know,

1087
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,240
whoever, right?
I think it's it's it's just it's

1088
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,960
it's satire, it's comedy, it's
funny and you know, God bless

1089
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,200
them, if they can't just have a
good laugh, you know, if we

1090
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,040
can't laugh at ourselves, we're
fucked.

1091
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,680
Yeah, no, I agree.
I agree.

1092
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,640
But I mean, so did you see the
new Ricky Gervais yet?

1093
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,320
No, you told me about it.
Oh my God, John, there's this.

1094
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,680
There's one scene.
There's one scene that said that

1095
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,960
he's talking about don't tell
me, don't tell me.

1096
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,080
No, I'm just going to tell you a
little bit of it.

1097
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,200
He's talking about handicap kids
and oh, I saw.

1098
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,160
It.
The part of about the kid

1099
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,200
basically earning a puppy, The
kid wanted a puppy and so he had

1100
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,280
to work for it.
Oh my.

1101
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,320
I was like.
I love.

1102
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,320
I love how he halfway through
this these absolutely cringe

1103
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,760
worthy comedy.
He'll go, he'll go what what

1104
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,680
he'll he'll like he'll challenge
you.

1105
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,080
You know I'm right in the.
Middle of it.

1106
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,120
Yeah.
You've seen it.

1107
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,200
You know I'm right.
Yeah, I.

1108
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,160
Know what you're thinking.
But I'm just thinking, I like in

1109
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,320
my head.
I'm thinking, you know, I know

1110
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,720
where Netflix is based, I know
what kind of people work there.

1111
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,720
I know who they vote for, and I
know what the company generally

1112
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,320
stands for.
There's got to be a room full of

1113
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,160
people who saw this and just
went.

1114
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,920
No, no, no, buddy.
No, it was, it was big news.

1115
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,880
Marcel, go back a couple years
when Chappelle came out with his

1116
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:05,480
with his special that was like
super in the libs face, right?

1117
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,640
They all walked out and they
demanded that he be cancelled

1118
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,960
and whoever runs Netflix said go
fuck yourself.

1119
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,440
It's comedy.
And I thought wow, there's

1120
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,240
somebody that's really, you
know, there's there's a

1121
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,440
corporation that's got the it's
like you know what, you work

1122
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,880
here.
You chose you.

1123
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,960
This is our thing.
You're not going to tell us how

1124
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,320
to do this.
You know it's and it's it's like

1125
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,800
that.
I think that's the only time

1126
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,800
I've seen some big company do
something like that, where I

1127
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,960
have said fucking right on
somebody over there with a with

1128
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,520
with a spine, you know.
Yeah, I mean, it's one thing

1129
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,640
like when Dana White does it
from the UFC, but you know, you

1130
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,040
know what his audience is like.
They're all right wing, redneck.

1131
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Yeah, but I but I.
Watching fighting, right I but I

1132
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,120
honestly.
Thought, I honestly thought

1133
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,040
Netflix, Netflix was going to
fold up their tent and cancel

1134
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,440
Chappelle.
And I was shocked that they

1135
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,840
said, you know what, it's free
speech, it's comedy.

1136
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,520
Go fuck yourself.
Get back to work or you're

1137
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,440
fired.
'Cause that's how I would,

1138
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,320
that's what I would say, but.
When you see, when you see the

1139
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,160
Ricky Gervais one, you'll
understand.

1140
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,840
I mean it's next level stuff,
this thing, you know, it's like

1141
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,640
he he just said, OK, let's see
how far we can push this thing,

1142
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,160
you know, let me see how far I
can go before somebody says no

1143
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,760
Ricky.
Have have you seen have you he's

1144
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,400
he's got a it's I think it's
like a two season series on

1145
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,000
Prime Video or Netflix or
whatever it is.

1146
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,720
Where?
I don't know.

1147
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:43,240
But he's he's he's walking by
he's walking by his nephews like

1148
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,600
playground on his way to work
and this little this this little

1149
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,920
chubby redheaded kids going Pito
Pito you're Pito.

1150
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,960
And he goes and he goes fuck
you, little ginger.

1151
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,200
If I was going to fuck somebody
you'd be the last one I fuck now

1152
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,080
go fuck yourself.
And it's just like did he just

1153
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,880
say that it was fantastic but if
you go back he he there was a

1154
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,920
you know I'm a big Gervais fan
and I'm and and thanks for the

1155
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,280
tip I'm looking forward to
seeing that right because we're

1156
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,280
so overwhelmed with content
these days.

1157
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,520
It's like what do you watch
right.

1158
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,520
I'm actually watching The
Sopranos start to finish again,

1159
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:13,880
right?
Now.

1160
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,920
Oh my God.
I'm like on season 2 and I'm

1161
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,760
going, God, I don't remember.
This, except for the final

1162
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,480
episode.
Such a great yeah, the don't

1163
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,200
stop believing thing at the end
and I just wanted to kill them

1164
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,000
for that.
It was.

1165
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:30,320
Like, but Gervais.
Gervais had an HBO show where it

1166
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,720
was him and the other two guys,
I can't remember their names.

1167
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,240
They were they were in a studio
talking at the very beginning

1168
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,000
and as they're speaking a very
slow wave comes across them and

1169
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,160
they all turn into cartoons and
it's A and it's the three of

1170
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,040
them doing a podcast and they
and it's probably one of the

1171
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,400
best shows I've ever seen.
I you have to go look up.

1172
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,480
I think it was on HI think it
was on HBO and it was like

1173
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:05,120
probably 15 years ago and it's
him and gosh, I can't remember

1174
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,440
the other two guys names but
there's the one kind of goofy

1175
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,920
guy they keep sending out to do
weird shit right and he comes

1176
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,840
back Merchant.
One of the guys last names is

1177
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,440
Merchant and I forget the other
guy's name but you should you

1178
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,800
should actually watch it.
But the beginning of it is the

1179
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,400
three of them kind of sitting
there like you with the

1180
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,920
microphone around about like 1/2
moon table and it just slowly

1181
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,440
sweeps over and they all turn
into cartoons and each episode

1182
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,480
is completely different.
It's fucking hilarious.

1183
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,880
You know, what I need is I I
need our new producer Sarah to

1184
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,440
like, you know, just like Jamie
on the Joe Rogan show.

1185
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,640
I need to say, hey, Sarah, look
that up and then she'll come

1186
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,360
back and go, yeah, it's the Joe
Schmo show or whatever.

1187
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,160
Well, that's what I thought she
was doing with the.

1188
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,400
Well, no, she she wasn't.
She just doesn't follow along

1189
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,360
like that.
Like she's she's learning the

1190
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,320
ropes right now, so.
We've been nice knowing you,

1191
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,640
Sarah.
It's been nice knowing you.

1192
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,440
I can see her.
So she's she's making fun of us

1193
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,280
right now.
Now she's going, That guy does

1194
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,120
look like an old man.
Yeah, no, I mean I I got the

1195
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,600
Ricky thing way late.
Like I I didn't even really know

1196
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,440
who he was.
I knew who he was to look at him

1197
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,520
or whatever.
He he did some funny shows and

1198
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:17,160
stuff that I saw, but I really
got into him either the Golden

1199
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,560
Globes thing or the first
Netflix special that he did,

1200
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,960
which just completely cracked me
up.

1201
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,280
And then I would just became a
huge fan and I'm taking any of

1202
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,640
the content.
So go back and look for that

1203
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:29,560
show.
I was telling you, that turns

1204
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,440
into a cartoon and then he's got
an another show.

1205
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,960
It's it's either Prime or
Netflix.

1206
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,920
Where he works in a small town
newspaper and his wife has

1207
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,520
passed away and he's got these
cast of characters around him

1208
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,680
and they go into these
situations.

1209
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,360
It's it's almost like Curb Your
Enthusiasm.

1210
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,720
Ask right.
Like like he takes this he takes

1211
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,400
this.
He takes this guy with him who's

1212
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,560
like the photographer, who's
this, you know, really kind of

1213
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,320
frumpy, obese, kind of slow
moving guy.

1214
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,840
And like they're, they're
interviewing a lady who makes

1215
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,440
pudding with breast milk, right?
But he doesn't know it's breast

1216
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,720
milk.
And they're talking about how

1217
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,760
great this, this pudding is.
And she.

1218
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,600
Says would you like some?
And he goes, Oh no, I'm okay.

1219
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,160
And he hears this and he looks
over and the big fat guys, and

1220
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,960
he goes.
You know, you sent me this clip,

1221
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,960
I'm sure, on Instagram at one of
your 3:00 in the morning clips

1222
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,160
that you send me.
I wake up every morning and I

1223
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,160
look at the Instagram videos
that John sent me overnight to

1224
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,200
figure.
Out, dude, I can't.

1225
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,040
What you've been up to, I see
that I I know I talked to you at

1226
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,640
all kinds of different times.
It's crazy somebody.

1227
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,000
Said Were you are you jet lagged
from the last trip I got?

1228
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,040
I think I'm jet lagged from like
the last 40 years.

1229
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,080
I If I get five in a row, I'm
like yes.

1230
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,480
John, you're you're you're
staying pretty healthy.

1231
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,480
I mean, you're in your, I won't
say your age, but.

1232
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,200
You're in your 65.
OK, you're 65, so you know

1233
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,360
you're you're very healthy for a
guy who, for the first half of

1234
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:08,240
his life, you know, couldn't
stuff enough shit up his nose or

1235
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,720
drink enough alcohol or be
destructive enough.

1236
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,480
And then plus the stress and the
travel and everything that our

1237
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,520
business throws at you, you're
very healthy.

1238
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,280
So is that by accident or are
you?

1239
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,760
Do you have some sort of a
routine, like what do you need

1240
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,200
to stay healthy?
I'll tell you what, it's genes.

1241
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,680
It's just genes.
You know what I like?

1242
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,560
What you buy in my stamp?
Yeah, exactly.

1243
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,920
No, by him, by himaloose.
So, you know, it's like my my,

1244
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,920
my my mother and father.
My, my father passed away in a

1245
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,120
car accident when he was like in
his early 50s.

1246
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,080
So there's not too good history
there.

1247
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,560
But his his family was very
healthy.

1248
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,240
My mom's side of the family, you
know, they were Danish, my

1249
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,440
Danish.
My mom was Danish and Italian,

1250
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,840
5050.
And then my my dad was pretty

1251
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,560
much Scotch, English, Irish,
right.

1252
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,040
What?
Wiseman is a Scottish name, you

1253
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,040
know?
And ironically, I get invited to

1254
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,760
a ton of Bar Mitzvah.
It's weird I.

1255
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,880
Assume you were Jewish.
No, no, no.

1256
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,640
Somewhere Jewish.
You know, yeah, with all the

1257
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,760
Jewish shit going on right now,
I I get drawn into it by

1258
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,200
accident because of my last name
and I'm like fucking.

1259
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,760
I'm fucking Scottish, you know?
People said I actually.

1260
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,360
There's in Hebrew and stuff, and
you're like, what is?

1261
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,520
This dude, I did the DNA test
just thinking maybe that there

1262
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,400
was and it's flat out exactly
what my parents told me.

1263
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,800
My my mom's half half Danish and
my mom is half Italian.

1264
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,360
Her her parents were were her
her dad was right off the boat

1265
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,720
from Italy.
Her mom was right off the boat

1266
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,560
from from Copenhagen.
And then the other side of it,

1267
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,080
the Wiseman side, they came over
like in the 1600s from you know

1268
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,320
to escape whatever the fuck was
going on over there.

1269
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,280
And they're they're all Midwest,
you know we're all Ohio and

1270
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,240
Arkansas.
And so you know, now, I mean,

1271
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,640
I've, I've, I've, I've been very
lucky like my first wife who did

1272
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,760
not do drugs or alcohol.
But she finally said to me, we

1273
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,480
know what, why don't you just
fall down like everybody else?

1274
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,560
And I said, God, you know, I
wish I would and make make this

1275
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:13,400
a lot easier to stop and oh am I
frozen again?

1276
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,080
You were for a second.
It's coming back.

1277
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,480
OK.
So I'm back.

1278
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,680
So yeah, I I think it's, I think
it's a good gene pool.

1279
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,200
But you know what?
The last 28 years I haven't had

1280
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,920
a drop of alcohol or a drug or
anything else and I've tried to

1281
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,440
eat well and I I have from those
good genes that I talk about.

1282
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,440
I have obese people on either
side of the family.

1283
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,280
So I'm highly aware that I have
to be really careful about what

1284
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,080
I eat and and some kind of
thing.

1285
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,120
And I and I I I boxed off and on
for about 25 years.

1286
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,680
That was a great way to keep,
you know, to get the aggression

1287
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,160
out, but also to keep keep fit,
right.

1288
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,360
And now now I have AI have a
pretty decent I try to walk

1289
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,040
10,000 steps a day.
I'm unsuccessful, but I try,

1290
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,080
yeah.
And yeah, I just you know, I.

1291
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,600
I like one day when you and I
have some time.

1292
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,680
You know, I've studied it a
bunch.

1293
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,240
I pay a lot of attention to it.
Sleep is a very, very important

1294
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,440
thing.
One thing you should do this,

1295
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,160
this ring that I wear is called
an aura ring.

1296
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,120
Get one of those.
It's OURA and it tracks your

1297
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,680
sleep and it tracks your
activity.

1298
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,560
It tracks all kinds of stuff and
it does it in the background.

1299
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,880
You don't have to do anything.
You charge it every three or

1300
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:31,319
four days or whatever, 5 days
and but you start realizing what

1301
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,640
your patterns are and where
you're going wrong.

1302
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:38,080
And you know, getting 7 hours
sleep a night in a row.

1303
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,359
Like, really.
Change.

1304
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,840
Well, it's it's, it's it's not
going to happen because of my

1305
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,080
travel schedule and the
different time zones I'm in.

1306
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,520
It's just and I and I and I and
I push myself because I just

1307
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,040
push myself.
I can tell you what my sleep

1308
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,000
patterns are.
They're completely fucked, you

1309
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,720
know?
I don't need a ring to tell me

1310
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,479
that if I stayed home for.
Sleep.

1311
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,000
We're trying to fix it though,
John.

1312
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,600
We're trying to fix it.
It it's not just discovering it

1313
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,880
by paying attention to it and
looking at what's going on and

1314
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,800
then looking for improvements.
You know it's it's poking you

1315
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,960
constantly to improve it a bit.
Well, let me talk about that.

1316
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,880
Let me talk about the health
thing really quick too, because

1317
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,080
the one thing that I have always
done even when I was not

1318
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:22,600
behaving well is I always got an
annual physical always and and

1319
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,279
and I always stayed up on that.
And so it's, it's the end of

1320
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:36,560
December 2023, right now in
September of 2022, my I went, I

1321
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,479
had my physical and did the
blood test and I do the whole, I

1322
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,760
mean I do everything and the
doctor says, hey, everything's

1323
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,000
great.
You haven't any issues.

1324
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,000
I said, well, I'm having this
one kind of issue, blah, blah,

1325
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,359
blah.
And he's like, you know what?

1326
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,960
You know, let's check your PSA
and you know your PSA is fine.

1327
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,560
Last year it hasn't gone up, you
know, and PSA relates to

1328
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,000
prostate for those who don't
know.

1329
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:59,360
And and so he said, well, you
know what, Yeah, you should be

1330
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:00,880
fine.
So I'm going to talk to my this

1331
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,960
my doctor up here that I talked
to my doctor down in LA that

1332
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,160
I've had forever and he said,
let's, let's, let's do this

1333
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,200
particular test.
And just just to make sure

1334
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,600
you're good.
And I said, OK, So I went in.

1335
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,000
Long story short, prostate
cancer.

1336
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,040
All right.
That was September of 2022.

1337
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:25,120
And so he's like, OK, so you
know, and here's here's where,

1338
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,480
here's where you have to be an
advocate on your own behalf with

1339
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,880
your medical guys.
You don't just like a lot of a

1340
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,320
lot of people just doctor says
that he's the doctor, blah,

1341
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,440
blah, blah.
My doctor said, look, here's

1342
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,720
your options now.
Now you got to be a detective on

1343
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,840
your own behalf, right?
You have to be an advocate on

1344
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,120
your own behalf.
So, man, I just dove into it.

1345
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:51,880
So I became the absolute
authority on prostate cancer to

1346
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,920
the point to where I've had two
friends that I've actually

1347
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,560
shepherded in who have been
through the same procedures I've

1348
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,760
been, and they're both
successfully OK now too.

1349
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:08,040
So yeah.
So I so my doctor said read this

1350
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,840
book from a guy named Doctor
Patrick Walsh.

1351
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,560
He's the he wrote the book on
men's prostate cancer, a very

1352
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,320
readable book.
Got it on Amazon, Read it, went

1353
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,680
through it.
So this Patrick Walsh guy, he's

1354
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,320
the guy.
So I call him.

1355
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,000
He's at the.
He's at the, you know, people.

1356
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,960
But you just call him and go,
yeah, it's a fucking human

1357
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,160
being.
So I just found his phone

1358
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,040
number.
I called him at, I called him at

1359
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:35,360
the Johns Hopkins in Baltimore,
and I got him on the phone and

1360
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,040
I'm like, hey, this is my deal.
You know, I want to, I think I

1361
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,960
want to get my prostate removed,
but I don't want to.

1362
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,720
I don't want to lose the ability
to, you know, have sex.

1363
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,280
And I don't want to lose my, you
know have problems with my

1364
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,360
bladder and all these other
things.

1365
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,080
All the other stuff that 10
years ago automatically happened

1366
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,920
to you you you you were never
able to perform.

1367
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,440
You never were able you had
problems Urinate.

1368
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:01,560
All these things that 10 years
ago we're we're now they they

1369
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,240
had fixed them through
technology.

1370
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,160
Right.
And this guy was the leader in

1371
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,440
the technology And I said, OK
I'll fly back to Baltimore.

1372
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:11,800
I want you to do my surgery.
And he said, well I'm I'm the

1373
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,920
last 10 years I've taught people
so he's telling me about this.

1374
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,960
So I said, OK, look, I, I, I'm,
he says where are you located?

1375
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,720
And I said, well, this is a
karma thing too.

1376
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:22,720
This is going to crack you up
more.

1377
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,720
So I said, oh, I'm on the West
Coast, so I can go to LA and go

1378
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:26,960
to San Francisco, what I need to
do?

1379
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,080
And he goes, when they ask, he
goes, what city are you in?

1380
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,800
I said I live in Reno, NV.
He goes, oh, doctor Angelo

1381
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,280
Kanellis.
He's one of the top three in the

1382
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,960
nation.
He said he's he all he does is

1383
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,560
is this robotic surgery with the
Da Vinci machine.

1384
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,400
He's your guy.
He's the best guy.

1385
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,760
Are you fucking kidding me?
So yeah, and it's because I had

1386
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,960
the balls probably for my sales,
you know, background.

1387
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,760
I just picked up the phone and
went through Johns Hopkins till

1388
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,000
I found the guy and got him on
the phone.

1389
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,200
So then I do the same thing in
Reno.

1390
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,760
I get this Canalis guy on the
phone, I meet with him.

1391
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,480
I went to high school with the
fucking guy. him and I were in

1392
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,320
Reno high together, right?
And and he's like top three in

1393
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,400
the world of doing this surgery
in Reno, NV.

1394
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,840
And it's like, it's like that's
a that's a that's a shot from

1395
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,440
God, right.
So I meet with the guy, we sit

1396
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:15,640
down and I said, you know,
Angela, I got to tell you, I

1397
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,680
just, I don't really remember.
I don't remember you from high

1398
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,200
school.
And he goes, well, I remember

1399
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,120
you and I went, is that a good
thing or a bad thing?

1400
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,080
And he goes, no, you were always
really kind, but you were pretty

1401
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,120
fucking wild.
I said yeah, I said, well, he

1402
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,080
goes, John, you know, some of us
had to go to class and some of

1403
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,080
us had to study.
And I said, well Angela, I'm so

1404
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,680
glad you did.
So Long story short, he sits

1405
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:33,960
down, we do it and you know, I
go in.

1406
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,240
I had the surgery in December.
I'm home surgery December 1.

1407
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,760
I'm home December 3rd, healed
up.

1408
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,920
I'm I'm 100% back to everything
normal and I'm cancer free.

1409
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,720
You know it's but it's because I
did an annual checkup.

1410
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,480
It's because I didn't fuck
around and I and I became an

1411
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:55,240
advocate on my own behalf to
find out what the best thing to.

1412
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,640
Do you know John?
It's such an important point and

1413
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:03,040
and very timely because I
listened this morning on my long

1414
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,240
walk.
I listened to Joe Rogan's latest

1415
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:12,000
podcast, which is with a guy
named Brigham Bueller, and I've

1416
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,120
heard him before.
I've.

1417
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,440
I've learned a bunch from this
guy before, but he talked about

1418
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:19,880
exactly pretty much what you're
talking about right now, which

1419
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,560
is you have to manage your
health because what your doctor

1420
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,760
is doing, what your insurance
company is doing, what all of

1421
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,680
these hospitals and everybody
are doing, they're managing the

1422
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,080
expense.
They're basically, they're going

1423
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,920
to push you towards whatever
earns them the most money and

1424
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,800
away from whatever earns them
the least money or cost them the

1425
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,440
most money.
And so you have to be paying

1426
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:46,040
very close attention.
And insurance is is not really

1427
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,080
insurance.
It's what did they call it?

1428
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,640
They called it healthcare
management.

1429
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,080
Well, it's they're all
actuaries.

1430
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,960
They're they're gamblers.
They're gambling.

1431
01:14:56,440 --> 01:14:59,680
Yeah, it's not anymore now
though, because they own, they

1432
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,800
own so many components of the
healthcare circle, you know?

1433
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,360
No, no, no, but no.
But my point is is there is it's

1434
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,640
no different than life
insurance.

1435
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,440
They they, they've got, you know
10,000 accountants in a room

1436
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:15,320
with spreadsheets who go, OK, if
we charge these guys $1000 and

1437
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,960
if, if, if, if X amount of them
get sick and we're able to

1438
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,440
mitigate the costs, you know,
they're they're rolling the dice

1439
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:25,640
is what they're doing and then
they're then they're becoming

1440
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,760
the house.
It's worse, though, because they

1441
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,080
own worse than.
They own the fucking.

1442
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,640
They own the fucking.
The health.

1443
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,080
Care what if they what if they
were the house casino, but they

1444
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,760
knew what your next card was
because that's what these people

1445
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,280
are.
So they're what they're doing.

1446
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:41,640
They have access to your data,
so they know what your tests are

1447
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,160
showing.
They know the size of your

1448
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,960
prostate, they know the last
time you did whatever or what.

1449
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,400
They know what's coming, and so
they know when to Jack up your

1450
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:51,600
rates.
They know when to cut.

1451
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,120
You and the and the problem is
is that is that we are we are

1452
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:01,040
trained to be trusting of
institutions you know let's not

1453
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,360
even get into the COVID bullshit
we all just went through that

1454
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,640
now has been revealed is like OK
half of it was just they they

1455
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,440
they didn't know they were just
talking shit but they they would

1456
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:13,160
stop you from working But but
like the so I became an advocate

1457
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,200
on my behalf and I can't tell
you how many times I said no go

1458
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,440
fuck yourself.
I paid for this.

1459
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,000
This is what we're going to do.
My doctor's telling me this is

1460
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,000
this and you know what my my my
my healthcare consultant who is

1461
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,640
blah blah blah.
You know what?

1462
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,400
And what I did, Marcel, was I
just ordered what needed to be

1463
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,360
ordered, and I did what needed
to be did done.

1464
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,560
And when they gave me the bills,
I told them to go fuck

1465
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,720
themselves and they folded and
went away.

1466
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,640
That's hilarious.
Nobody fights them.

1467
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:43,920
Seriously.
Do yourself a favor.

1468
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,440
Listen to this podcast, the Joe
Rogan from today or yesterday or

1469
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,320
whatever.
Brigham, Brigham Bueller.

1470
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,080
I think his name is really
really smart dude.

1471
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:59,200
He he owns like a company called
something well to will to well

1472
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,080
or well to something or other
but he goes outside insurance.

1473
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:07,440
It's a it's a cash pay
healthcare model and one of the

1474
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:12,840
other problems is they won't do
tests that are, you know,

1475
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:17,960
longevity tests.
Are OK so so let me tell you

1476
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,400
about this.
This morning I was talking to a

1477
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,800
former board member who's a
friend of mine from from from

1478
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,680
PRG.
But this guy's this guy's

1479
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,960
involved he's like he's a
partner with Richard Branson on

1480
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,880
the on this on the Virgin
Galactica he's in he's into he's

1481
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,200
into everything right.
So he told me he goes, I'm going

1482
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,320
to send you something that
because he's he's, he's one of

1483
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,000
the top guys in this healthcare
thing and he, he said there's a

1484
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,040
test and I'll pull up the name
of it here.

1485
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:49,120
He said there's a test that you
can take, it's $700.00 and it

1486
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:53,720
will tell you what cancers
you'll have before they even

1487
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,560
reach stage 1 early.
Cancer screening.

1488
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:04,600
Yeah, I know.
I know one Which is, oh God, I

1489
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,320
almost did it.
It's it's not that expensive at

1490
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:08,640
all.
And it does like it tests for

1491
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,360
100 different things, including
heavy metal.

1492
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,800
That's that's that's the one I'm
talking about and he's he's on

1493
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:19,640
the board of that company and oh
here it is the company, so the

1494
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,240
company that he's on the board.
Probably Mark Mark Hyman's

1495
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:29,440
company which is called.
He's this guy's he's the vice

1496
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,880
chairman that he's called it
called it's called the Buck

1497
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,360
Institute.
The Buck Institute is apparently

1498
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,240
very very famous thing and it's
it's a health CHEAT SHEET and So

1499
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,160
what do you say about third one
down.

1500
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,600
It's a test.
I don't want to eat up all your

1501
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,120
time here.
I'll let you know when you can

1502
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,680
ask on, but it's it's it's a
test.

1503
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:57,640
And he said, so he's talking to
the Csos and the CTOS of these

1504
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,360
companies saying why don't you
guys pay for this test?

1505
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,000
And they said, well, because you
know what, this fucking blew my

1506
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,080
mind.
We don't want to pay for those

1507
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,280
tests because, you know, we have
a turnover of employees about

1508
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,440
every two or three years.
So we don't get any benefit from

1509
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:16,640
finding out that they're going
to be sick because they're going

1510
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,840
to be gone anyway.
Jesus, think about.

1511
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,120
That That's dark.
You know who else is?

1512
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,640
That's your.
That's your actuary.

1513
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,600
Gary Breca, Gary Breca.
Gary Breca is the guy who

1514
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:33,960
transformed Dana White and Dana
White was like pre diabetic way.

1515
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,480
Over there, I heard about this
guy.

1516
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:39,600
Looked 100 years old.
Was was literally dying slowly,

1517
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,640
right.
And he put him on like I think a

1518
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,080
a six month program.
He lost, I don't know 4050 lbs.

1519
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,440
Looks 15 years younger, is so
much healthier.

1520
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:56,560
Diabetes gone, everything gone.
And I'm actually doing there's

1521
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,880
he does a three day fast, which
I'm doing not next week, the

1522
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,200
following week, which scares the
hell out of me because I've

1523
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,040
never gone 3 days without food,
so that's going to be weird.

1524
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,720
But no, it's the first couple
days are the hardest.

1525
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,200
You end up with a headache or
something.

1526
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,200
I've done.
I did that.

1527
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,000
In hours will be the hardest.
Yeah, you know there's a thing

1528
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,840
called prolong PR, PR0L 0NG and
it's it's it's like a it's it's

1529
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,320
like a milkshake kind of fast,
but it's soups and stuff and I

1530
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,160
and I do that every every three
or four months just to like, oh.

1531
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,400
Yeah, Kickstart.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was, I was

1532
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,920
hovering around.
So I'm 6 foot two or I used to

1533
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,800
be.
I'm think I'm a lot shorter now,

1534
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,440
but I was hovering.
I would always carry 2/22/25 and

1535
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:41,600
there was always that you know
that, that 10 fucking pounds

1536
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,840
that I hated, right?
The part that you know, you put

1537
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,360
your pants and you're like God.
Damn well.

1538
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,080
And it's the visceral fat, too.
It's around your liver and

1539
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,800
around your heart and the bad.
So I.

1540
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:55,320
That's the heart attack fat.
So I said in March, I'm, I'm,

1541
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,040
I'm, I'm, I'm changing this.
I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm in my mid

1542
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,160
60s now.
I'm changing this.

1543
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,280
So I've I've dropped down to
about two O 3 and I'm working

1544
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,600
out now.
Well, yeah, but I had that weird

1545
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,480
thing where it's like, you know,
I used to have pretty good,

1546
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:11,400
pretty good muscles.
And I looked down, I saw wrinkly

1547
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:12,600
skin.
I thought, motherfucker, I'm

1548
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,040
turning into that.
So I've been, I've been hitting

1549
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,520
the gym.
I've been hitting the gym and

1550
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,960
feeling good about it.
And the thing about the gym is I

1551
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,320
hate it.
I hate it when I walk in and I'm

1552
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,960
so happy when I leave because I
did that, you know, It's so it's

1553
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,520
so weird because every time I'm
like driving there thinking I

1554
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,160
got the too much to do and then
as soon as I'm done with that, I

1555
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,640
go, man, I am so glad I did
that.

1556
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,000
And if I can get two weeks good
going like that, the an

1557
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,040
addictive mind.
I have it, yeah.

1558
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,040
I know kicks in.
I have to do it.

1559
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,280
Yeah, that's how I am.
If I don't exercise every day, I

1560
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,880
and you know, so I have so many
friends.

1561
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,640
It's a good point.
I have so many friends who walk

1562
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,680
every day or go for a run or
ride their bike and they think

1563
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,840
that's enough.
But the problem is when you get

1564
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,200
to be our age, this sarcopenia
thing where your muscles

1565
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,960
disappear, sets in and it's
very, very bad for you.

1566
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,800
And that's one of the big very
negative things towards aging

1567
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,200
and makes you age faster and
makes you it leads you to

1568
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,840
disease.
So lifting weights.

1569
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,640
Is so important.
And you know, and so my doctor

1570
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,480
that I was talking about the guy
down in in LA, he said OK, now

1571
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:27,120
that you've dropped the weight,
now that you're feeling good

1572
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,720
about it, he said what you
really have to do is he says you

1573
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,760
got to hit the he goes, you got
to hit the gym and you got to

1574
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,160
hit the weights.
And he goes and listen, I know

1575
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,760
who you are.
This doesn't mean you lift

1576
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,560
weights like you're 25, he goes,
you'll hurt yourself.

1577
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,760
He said get get in some medium
weights, get some good reps in

1578
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,560
because you don't have to
fucking be that guy you think

1579
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,000
you got to be.
You kind of do, though you have

1580
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,800
to.
You have to stay in your muscles

1581
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,640
and you have to build new
muscle, because otherwise.

1582
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,000
It doesn't have the same effect.
You should lift the heaviest

1583
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,240
weight you can.
But that's the problem is that,

1584
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,160
you know, I would, I would lift
I I used to lift a lot, so I

1585
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,640
would you'd go straight to. £300
don't pressing or something.

1586
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,360
Yeah, I used to do that.
Don't do that again, Right.

1587
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,920
Don't do that.
Go go in and and and hit your

1588
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,440
hit.
If you can do 12 reps with it,

1589
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:19,360
go up 5 lbs, right.
And then and then you do 10 and

1590
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,760
you're straining and then your
trainer helps you with the last

1591
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,400
two.
And then then pretty soon you're

1592
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,440
doing 12 with that, then you go
to the next one.

1593
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,200
Squats is the other big one.
Squats like just body weight.

1594
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:33,240
Squats are really.
Body weight squats blew my mind.

1595
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,120
I did them.
My guy got me doing them.

1596
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,360
Where you go down on the bench
and you're up and down.

1597
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,200
I couldn't fucking walk the next
day.

1598
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:40,520
I'm like, you got to be kidding
me.

1599
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,080
Yeah, the first day is pretty
tough.

1600
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,800
Yeah, I do them almost every
day.

1601
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,320
And and you know, it's just,
it's stuff that, you know,

1602
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,600
here's the deal.
I'm not trying to live 120

1603
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,120
years.
I'm trying to live to whatever.

1604
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,200
I live to healthy right up till
that point.

1605
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,360
You know, I want to drop dead
after being sick for a week, not

1606
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,600
for 10 years.
You know, it's like my mom's in

1607
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,880
a dementia a.
Gun in your mouth.

1608
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,320
My mom's in a dementia home for
the last 10 years.

1609
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:08,880
She doesn't know where she is,
you know.

1610
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:13,480
I just, I just got in that test
that I was talking about.

1611
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,280
I got the I got tested for the
Alzheimer gene.

1612
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,680
There's an Alzheimer gene.
And my my mother very much like

1613
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,040
you.
I mean, it used to be you just

1614
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,760
went senile, but now there's
dementia.

1615
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,800
Now there's Alzheimer's.
There's different types of it.

1616
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,280
They've got it down.
My mom the the last 10 years of

1617
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,280
her life was Alzheimer's and you
would just watch this

1618
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,720
incredible, horrible shit show
go on.

1619
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,520
It's just getting horrible to
watch, right.

1620
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,640
And so I I was thinking, you
know, I'm always losing my keys.

1621
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,080
And I came from my wall.
It's like, oh, shit, here we go.

1622
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,880
And yeah, but I've been like
that since I was about 10.

1623
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,360
So it's I My doctor called me
the first thing he said to me.

1624
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,600
He goes, hey, good news, you
don't have the Alzheimer gene.

1625
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,440
My gosh.
Shit, I must have got my dad's

1626
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:53,920
side of it.
Thank God you know.

1627
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,800
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, my
girlfriend because she's very

1628
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,680
forgetful and and I always poke
on her, you know, going.

1629
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,240
I know what it looks like.
You know, I've watched my mom

1630
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,160
and I've seen it and and and so
she reads books and looks for

1631
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,520
articles and stuff and she goes
see everybody.

1632
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,920
It's normal.
Your brain has so much capacity

1633
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,520
and different people use
different parts of the brain for

1634
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,480
different things.
I don't typically.

1635
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,560
I always have to put my keys in
the same place, otherwise I'll

1636
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,320
lose them every single time.
I've no me too.

1637
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,120
Well, keys, wallet, freaking
remote, anything.

1638
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,680
You know, like I'm the guy who
used to put the remote in the

1639
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,440
fridge because I was on a phone
caller.

1640
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,040
I've done that to you, but I've
done that too.

1641
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,440
I went looking for it one time.
I found it in the refrigerator.

1642
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,200
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean it's it's completely

1643
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,600
stupid, but it's just my my
brain is completely on this

1644
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,560
phone call, right?
So I'm not thinking about.

1645
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,120
I'm about 5 minutes ahead of
wherever I am, yeah.

1646
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,360
Yeah.
So the last thing I wanted to

1647
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:55,080
ask you about is, you know, I
know obviously a lot about your

1648
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,120
addiction and and we talked
about it on one of the podcasts

1649
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:02,160
that you were on with me.
But today, like how important,

1650
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:06,240
how important is sobriety today
still?

1651
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,840
And it's, what, 28 years?
It's everything, yeah.

1652
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,960
If you if I don't have that I
have nothing else after it.

1653
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:20,160
You know and it's and it's it's
one of the you know I I get I

1654
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:21,880
get the pat on the back every
now and then.

1655
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,680
Oh you you you work with these
you know the 12th step is to

1656
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:25,920
take the message to other
people.

1657
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:31,320
Right.
And so the the normies think oh

1658
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,600
you what a good guy you know
you're you're you're helping

1659
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:34,440
other people.
Nah.

1660
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,640
Yeah.
I mean that's the byproduct of

1661
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,120
it.
What I learned very early in

1662
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,360
addiction in going through these
12 steps, and I'm passionate

1663
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,720
about the 12 steps, 12 steps of
Alcoholics Anonymous, which

1664
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,040
which are the derivative of all
the anonymous programs CANA

1665
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:52,600
sexual addiction.
Everything is of those 12 steps

1666
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,960
the only one that ever mentions
alcohol?

1667
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,960
Am I frozen again?
No, there we go.

1668
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,560
I'm.
Listening to you the the the

1669
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,560
only one that ever mentions
alcohol is step one.

1670
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:12,040
And it says admit that you were
powerless over alcohol and your

1671
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,240
life had become unmanageable.
And it's like, well, that's

1672
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,200
pretty fucking easy.
You know I had to borrow money

1673
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,640
to go into a rehab center.
So yeah, that's I'll give you

1674
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,480
that I am powerless over this
and I, and it is my life has

1675
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:27,360
become unmanageable.
Step 2 through 12 is a road map

1676
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,480
for any human being on planet
Earth, with or without an

1677
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:34,320
addiction, to be a good person.
It's about making amends.

1678
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,200
It's about taking, cleaning up
your past.

1679
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,560
It's about, you know,
accountability.

1680
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,120
It's it's about, you know, being
there for other people.

1681
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,680
The two through 12 is an
absolute wonderful road map.

1682
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,800
To just be a decent human being.
It's got nothing.

1683
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,960
Yeah, it's that simple.
And so for me, you know, the

1684
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,800
12th step is is is taking the
message to others who are

1685
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,640
suffering, right.
And so I'm just available to

1686
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,360
people who, you know, I don't
push it.

1687
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,000
I don't sell it.
You know, if you ask about my

1688
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,600
own personal, you know, things
I've gone through, I'm very open

1689
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,360
about it.
But because that means I'm open

1690
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,320
to it, right?
So if someone hears me say that,

1691
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,520
like on this podcast for
instance, and you're having

1692
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,040
trouble with this, I you do
whatever you want with your

1693
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,480
life, you know what?
I don't give a fuck.

1694
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,320
I'm not going to tell you what
to do because you wouldn't

1695
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,560
listen anyway.
I just happened to have learned

1696
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,000
through the kindness of others
and through the God of my choice

1697
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,440
that there's a better way to do
this.

1698
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,200
And so I'm open to it.
And you know, in that 12 step

1699
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:46,320
part, if I, if I, if I'm not
present, clean, sober and in a

1700
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:52,800
good frame of mind for myself, I
can't be here for anybody else.

1701
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,960
Yeah, so.
So it has.

1702
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,680
It has to be, you know, if I'm
not working my program and

1703
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,200
trying to be the best person I
can every day, which by the way,

1704
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,640
completely unsuccessful at it
every day, but more successful

1705
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,760
than I used to be, If I if I'm
not here, I can't be here for my

1706
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,920
wife, I can't be here for my
kids.

1707
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,240
I can't be here for my friends.
I can't be here for people who

1708
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,160
might not know me.
But you know, anytime anyone

1709
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,440
comes to me and says, hey, can
we talk about this?

1710
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,960
I'm very blunt about it.
I just say look I'm not going to

1711
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,880
tell you what to do.
I'm going to show you what

1712
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,520
worked for me.
If you want to talk about this,

1713
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,120
I'm open to talk about it.
But sobriety is Marcel.

1714
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,960
To answer your question circle
back around and I'm sorry.

1715
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,440
I always give long answer.
No it's good.

1716
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:39,000
The the The thing is is that is
that if I if I don't have

1717
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,840
sobriety, I I I know what the
other guy is.

1718
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,320
I don't fucking want anything to
do with that man.

1719
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,400
He's a he's not a good human
being.

1720
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,680
But can I ask you?
Yeah, I know you say you don't

1721
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:55,280
sell anybody on it or anything,
excuse me, but if you see

1722
01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:00,840
someone getting wasted who is on
a crew or or maybe he's not

1723
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,920
working with you, but it's
someone you know or whatever.

1724
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,800
Like I walked in on a bandmate
one time when I had already quit

1725
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,280
doing anything bad other than
drinking.

1726
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,400
And you know, I saw his, his arm
was all tied off and he was just

1727
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:15,880
about to put the needle in his
arm.

1728
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,640
And I had never seen anybody do
that except at the doctor's

1729
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,160
office and I was like, what the
fuck are you doing?

1730
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:27,040
And but like, would you, you
wouldn't try to stop someone and

1731
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,400
and steer them at that point or
have you tried to?

1732
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,960
Yeah, I I agree with what you
say though.

1733
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,800
You're just a narc at that
point, right?

1734
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,600
Like they don't.
Yeah, no, I mean, you're you're,

1735
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,560
you're, you're that guy that we
hated.

1736
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,760
I'm the I'm now the guy that I
hated, you know?

1737
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,040
So I think, I think you lead by
example and you and you do it

1738
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,000
with absolute unconditional
love.

1739
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,000
So what I would say So what I
and I've been in situations with

1740
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,920
that where I've seen people
doing that kind of stuff.

1741
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,240
I've just said, hey bro, you
know what You're you're you're

1742
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:58,960
going to really hurt yourself or
somebody else.

1743
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,720
God bless you.
Do whatever you want to do.

1744
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,280
When you're ready to talk about
this.

1745
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,880
I'm an open book When you're
when you're ready to get, when

1746
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,120
you're.
I know you're miserable.

1747
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,520
So when you're ready to not be
miserable I, I, I know how you

1748
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,440
can get out of this.
But God bless, Go blow yourself

1749
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:18,520
up.
Jesus, it's a scary life.

1750
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,520
Well, it's counterintuitive.
So I'll finish with one short

1751
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:23,880
story about that.
OK.

1752
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,320
So I was at a meeting in
Westlake Village, CA at the

1753
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,600
local church there.
And the, you know, sometimes

1754
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,880
there's speakers means and I
think I was speaking that night,

1755
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,200
There's like a 5 minute slot, a
20 minute slot and a 30 minutes.

1756
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,240
So I think it was a 20 minute
slot that night just to talk

1757
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,680
about you share your own
experience, strength and hope,

1758
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,080
right?
And you talk about your story

1759
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,640
and you, you know, I never
wanted to do this.

1760
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,080
And my sponsor said you have to
get up and you have to talk.

1761
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,200
You have to take a birthday cake
because I don't want to take a

1762
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,000
birthday cake.
I thought it's fucking bullshit.

1763
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,320
He goes, you know what?
I go, why?

1764
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,280
And he goes, they have to see
that if a fucking piece of shit

1765
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:02,440
loser like you can do it, anyone
can, you have to be that guy.

1766
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,360
And I go, OK, all right.
So I I, I, I, I, I give my

1767
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:11,040
little my little pitch that
night about what what it what it

1768
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,640
used to be like and what it's
like now.

1769
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,200
And that's what that's really
the the pitch and it's all about

1770
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,920
my personal stuff, not talking
about anyone else.

1771
01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:22,360
And so at the end of this,
there's a gal comes up and she's

1772
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:27,520
got this kid with her who's a
very famous, successful guitar

1773
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,200
player in a, in a, in a young
band that was blowing up.

1774
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:37,360
And I knew who he was.
And so she says to me, hey, this

1775
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,720
is so and so And I say, hey, how
you doing?

1776
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,720
He goes, OK And he says, you
know, I know he is.

1777
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,160
And she says so.
So you're in the music business.

1778
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,160
Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm having a really hard

1779
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:48,400
time.
So hey, man, you know what?

1780
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,400
God bless you.
He goes, he goes, so we just

1781
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:53,400
just a very quick meet and
greet, right.

1782
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:58,000
So I go home the next day.
I'm getting ready to go with my

1783
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,760
family somewhere.
And and this is the other part

1784
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,800
about if I'm not there for
myself, I can't be there for

1785
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,280
anybody else, right?
This gal calls.

1786
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,440
And she said, hey, remember that
kid you met last night?

1787
01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:11,440
And I said, yeah, she said,
well, he stayed at me and my

1788
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:15,080
husband's house last night.
He was on the couch and he's

1789
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,200
having a really hard time.
It's the second day without

1790
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,960
drugs.
Can you come, can you come talk

1791
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,720
to him?
I said, absolutely, I'll be

1792
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,080
right there.
So I told my wife, who got it at

1793
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,320
the time was, I said, look, I'm
going to go do this, right?

1794
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,680
So I, I go over to the house and
sit down, you know, and this

1795
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:36,240
this is a kid who's now
internationally famous band

1796
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:39,640
blowing up more money.
He knows what to do with and is

1797
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,000
absolutely fucking killing
himself.

1798
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,840
Right.
And so we sit down and I I sit

1799
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:48,200
down right in front of him on
the couch and I I go, so, so I'm

1800
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:48,840
here man.
What?

1801
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:50,360
How can I help you?
And he goes, man, you know, I

1802
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,480
just having trouble with this
and I don't want to do, you

1803
01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:54,800
know.
And then he and he, you know

1804
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,280
kind of goes to the spiel and
then he looks at me and he says

1805
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,320
I'd really like to get.
I'd really like to get some some

1806
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,280
cocaine right now.
I'd like to get some blow and

1807
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,720
I'd like to get some whiskey.
And I look at him and I go,

1808
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,120
well, then, then you should go
get some.

1809
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,160
You should get some blow.
You should get some whiskey.

1810
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,280
He goes, what?
I go, look, if that's what you

1811
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,200
really want to do, that's that's
what you should do.

1812
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,040
He goes, well, why are you
telling me that?

1813
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,360
I said, hey, bro, if you're not
done, then you're not done.

1814
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,600
I said go fucking knock yourself
out.

1815
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:25,480
And at that point, Marcel, the
kid gets fucking livid.

1816
01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:28,160
He starts talking to me like I'm
his bitch Tour manager.

1817
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,880
He goes, hey, man, you're
supposed to be fucking helping

1818
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:31,880
me, man.
Or what?

1819
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,600
Are you telling me to do this
stuff for you?

1820
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,040
You're.
I said, are you done?

1821
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,920
And he goes, yeah, and I go.
What makes you think I give a

1822
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,120
fuck about you?
He's like, what?

1823
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,680
I go, I don't give a fuck about
you.

1824
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,760
I don't give a fuck.
If you die right now, I don't

1825
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,640
care.
And now he's like, well then why

1826
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,400
did you even come over here?
I go.

1827
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:52,880
Let me tell you why I came over
here.

1828
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:58,480
I said because you want what I
have and I can teach you how to

1829
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:02,280
get what I have through a
program that has saved my life,

1830
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,480
OK?
I just swung by today to take a

1831
01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:09,280
look at you and remind myself
where I never want to be again.

1832
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:11,920
You fucking stink.
You're wearing the same fucking

1833
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,960
clothes.
You're shaking, You're fucking

1834
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,800
miserable.
And I said fuck you.

1835
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,880
I just wanted to remind myself
where I never want to be again.

1836
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,360
So if you want to have what I
have, I can teach you how to

1837
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,840
get.
I know how to get what you have

1838
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,320
and I ain't fucking interested,
but I just want to take a look

1839
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,800
at it.
Today, kid changed his whole

1840
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,440
vibe.
Really 100.

1841
01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:34,800
Percent.
He's he's he's still clean and

1842
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:36,280
sober.
And that would that was 12

1843
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,960
years.
That was 12 years ago.

1844
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,760
Yeah.
That's wild because I didn't

1845
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,080
wipe his fucking ass and I
didn't tell him, oh God, I'll

1846
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,120
help you.
I said go fucking go kill

1847
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:46,280
yourself.
I don't give a shit.

1848
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:50,880
I just wanted to take a look at
where I never, never want to be.

1849
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,040
And so that's the 12th step is
sharing your experience,

1850
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,040
strength and hope with people.
But it's also very.

1851
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,040
You do it in a special way,
though, John.

1852
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,560
Well, it's it's it's very
selfish.

1853
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:07,760
It it it's, it's it literally is
me seeing where I never want to

1854
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,920
be again.
And it's in when you're sitting

1855
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,200
in front of this kid and and and
I've done this numerous times

1856
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,520
and I'm just like, oh God, I
that misery, that absolute

1857
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:23,240
hopelessness and despair and
just just circle in the drain

1858
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,280
and you can't get out of it.
How do you break the cycle?

1859
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,240
Well, breaking the cycle is not
beginning.

1860
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:32,280
Oh gosh, let me help you.
It's like fuck you because

1861
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:33,520
you're the only one that can do
it.

1862
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,480
So there you go.
That's how important it is to

1863
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:36,920
me.
And that's and that's what I do.

1864
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,600
If I if I come across it, I'm
just blunt.

1865
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,040
Honest.
Fucking blunt.

1866
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,880
Yeah, John, great to see you.
There you go.

1867
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:47,560
I appreciate.
You too, Marcel.

1868
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,400
Always Good man.
Thanks for reaching out.

1869
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,000
I I didn't know what we were
going to talk about, but you

1870
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,440
and.
I always we always nothing and

1871
01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:56,360
everything.
Nothing and everything.

1872
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,560
We should do this once every
friggin couple of months,

1873
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,640
nothing and everything.
Sarah, nice to meet you.

1874
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,720
Take care.
See you, bud.

1875
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:04,760
Bye, bye.