#197 - Han Henze discussed almost 50 years in the business

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Hello, and again, welcome to

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episode number 197 pretty
excited today.

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I've got Han henze on really
great guy.

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Been around the industry since I
believe the 70s long time, and

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really good guy.
Everybody knows.

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I'm everybody loves him.
He's just one of those guys kind

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of reminds me a little bit of
Bob.

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Harmon in Hawaii.
Speaking of Ayrton has anyone

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seen these light shows coming
out of Pro-Lite this past week

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in Germany?
You know, Pro-Lite Ting and

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sound is obviously a huge Stone
Frankfurt.

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Germany.
I've been there 10 times myself

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but this Ayrton light show that
they did as part of their Booth

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was incredible.
Robi also didn't an amazing

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amazing show and others.
I'm a huge fan of these trade

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show lighting, show
extravaganzas and I'm happy to

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see them in full force again I
mean for a while I think we went

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to these corporate sort of stand
still products on podium.

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Sort of booths.
And I'm not a fan of those.

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I understand you need to have
meeting tables and things like

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that, so that people can sit and
talk about, you know, the year

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in business orders or whatever
it is.

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But at the end of the day, I
want to entertain people.

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I want people to be entertained
on a booth.

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I want to be entertained on a
booth when I'm there to look at

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stuff.
And I don't know.

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I've always been a fan of it.
I obviously put on a few of the

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really good ones.
I was a part of them.

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I was lucky enough.
Enough to be in a position to to

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do those back in the 90s and so,
yeah, I love it.

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I love that that they're back in
full force and again, I loved

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the Ayrton one, I loved the
rob1.

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I don't know that I've seen many
of the I saw some stuff from

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clay Paki.
That looked pretty cool, but it

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was more of sort of a as I
recall it was a more stationary

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looking thing.
It wasn't a show.

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So yeah, check that stuff out.
I'm sure you can find it on

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YouTube, Facebook, whatever.
Wherever, Get your video content

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and speaking of trade shows and
speaking of pro light and sound,

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I've been reading a lot of
comments online, talking about

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pro light, being a much smaller
show this year, especially

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particularly with regard to
audio companies who have bailed

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on the show.
There apparently wasn't as much

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of an audio presents this year
and it used to be a pretty big

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audio show.
It was real big audio, real big

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lighting.
And apparently this year, a lot

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of the audio companies Moved
over to is in Spain and that has

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become a much more significant
show from what I'm hearing.

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It's more expensive.
It's a very expensive show for

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manufacturers to do so it's
harder.

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But, you know, I got a lot of
these sort of quality versus

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quantity.
Visitors, sort of comments from

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manufacturers this year which
tells me a show is shrinking

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either that or it's a show being
done during covid because we

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used to hear that about ldi and
stuff when covid-19 on, but When

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you hear a show post covid that
is that people are commenting,

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you know, the it wasn't as many
people but they were good

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people.
That to me is saying that a show

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is in a bit of trouble and so it
looks like pro light and sound

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or Lighting and Sound.
I'm not sure how they say it but

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it looks like it might be in a
little bit of trouble.

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I hope not because I think it's
a great show as much as

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Frankfurt may not be my favorite
place to go for a show.

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Ona kind of sounds like a better
place to go for a show but you

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know, I've always loved that
show.

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I think it's a great show and
and I hope they figure out

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whatever.
This problem is with the audio

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companies, ditching them and I
hope lighting companies continue

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to support it as well.
So let's see what happens next

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year.
If anyone has comments on that

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or knowledge of it, please reach
out to me.

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We can maybe do a follow-up
podcast and talk a little bit

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about what's going on at
Pro-Lite.

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Maybe even someone from pro-life
hears this and we Can do a quick

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podcast about it, but yeah,
again, especially audio Brands.

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Maybe I'll talk to an audio
brand and get them on the

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podcast and we can talk about
that show and why is see has

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been better for them.
We'll see another thing that I'm

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going to be very careful to
tread through is without

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mentioning any Brands.
I'm really disappointed to see

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some of the blatant copying
going on again.

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And it reminds me of The late
90s, maybe early 2000s.

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When people weren't even trying
to hide the fact that they were

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copying a product, pretty much
identical product.

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It happened a lot, with the
Italians.

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Italians were buying components
from the same suppliers and then

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just sort of reshaping them into
a different, but the same

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product, obviously a lot with
some of the Asian companies

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Chinese manufacturers.
And but recently, I'm seeing

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some stuff that You know, it's
just bothering me a bit and one

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of the reasons it's bothering
me.

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One of the things I've always
loved about our industry is the

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Innovation and really cool
development.

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That goes on lots of cool
products.

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Come out, lots of really, really
great designs and ideas go into

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those products, you know, when
you see things that you just go.

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Wow, that's really cool.
And I've seen a few of them

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recently.
You know certainly again going

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back to the Italians.
Clay pakhi has always been an

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innovator, they've always been a
little more Pricey than most

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companies.
But there's a reason behind

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that.
They're spending a huge amount

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of money on R&D and Innovation.
And so, you know, one of the

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most recent examples of this
problem that I've seen was a

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clay Packy product, I'm not even
going to say what product it

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was, but it's a product that
they showed at ldi, I believe,

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for the first time last year and
was really cool was very

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different, very Innovative, a
very crazy, wrinkle on some

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products that were already.
He's out on the market, but very

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unique.
And suddenly this year, I saw at

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Pro-Lite another rather large
manufacturer who has the same

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product and I've only seen it on
video and pictures and it looks

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identical to me.
So that concerns me.

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I mean again, because what do
companies do, when product start

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getting ripped off, they either
lawyer up and go to court, or

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they back off on Innovation.
And I think either one of those

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things is bad.
For us, bad for the market.

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And so, if you want Innovation
to continue happening, if you

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want new products and new
features to keep coming out at a

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high rate stuff that makes you
go.

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Wow, then you have to support
manufacturers who are coming out

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with those products, you have to
pay slightly higher prices and

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and pay for that Innovation.
Because when you pay for copies,

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what you're doing is, you're
supporting the other side of

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that, you're supporting the
side.

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That's not spending the money on
Innovation.

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And so again, Again I'm not I'm
not pointing fingers at any

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particular manufacturer.
I think as an industry we've all

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done it.
I think it's a problematic

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thing.
I think it's why a lot of

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companies end up in court.
I was talking to somebody

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yesterday about a, I guess
there's something going on

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between Roscoe and etc' right
now.

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It's got something to do with ET
C.

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Putting the Rosco colors in
their console, and Rosco says

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that that's a breach of their
intellectual Properties by using

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the Rosco numbers in your
console.

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It's a funny one.
Because again I'm not taking

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sides on this and I'm not a
lawyer, I don't know anything.

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I'm just some dumb guy with a
big mouth and a microphone but

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to me, you know, Roscoe used to
be proud of the fact that people

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used our numbers on colors and
the thing was, I guess it's

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supported their revenue back
then because they were selling

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gel in those are colors and now
they're not selling gel.

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So they're trying to find a way
to I guess.

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Monetize that Rosco chart or the
the color swatch or whatever you

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want to call it.
And so maybe they're going to

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charge manufacturers, I guess to
put that in consoles which will

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probably just push manufacturers
to create another coloring

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system.
But anyways, again lawyers I've

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got a lot of experience, you
know, I have sued a couple of

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the largest companies in the
world and so sadly, I have some

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experience and nobody And, you
know, I hate to be, you know, to

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say something so silly and
generic, but nobody wins in that

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situation, you spend lots of
money and at the end of the day,

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the one who's got the, most
money, usually can Outlast the

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other one and ends up winning.
And in that case, everyone spent

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way too much money, the lawyers
got rich, and none of the

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problems were solved, so I don't
like it.

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So, anyways, let's move on to
today's episode.

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Number 197 with Han and Z.
Well, hello there, mr.

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Han.
Angie, how are you today?

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I'm well how are you?
I'm freaking fantastic.

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Any better.
They'd be a Wednesday or

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Thursday.
What day is it today?

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Wednesday.
Yes it is it bad that we both

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have to think about it.
Well I'm a little lost in the

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days of the week because I've
been recuperating from this

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workplace injury so a lot of my
time has been right here in our

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home and you know I fractured my
pelvis and my left arm I can't

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tell all imagine people say, I
fractured my pelvis like so

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easily and I think about where
the Bell Is what that might feel

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like you know it's like it's the
most searing pain.

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You can imagine.
How many think about it, what?

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So yeah, I was at the CMT Music
Awards in Austin.

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They decided to do that show an
Austin this year.

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And I'd actually finished my
part working with Tom, Kenny

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lighting director on an outdoor
stage and we shot that in the

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middle of the week.
And Then we also shot a

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Crossroads and then I came over
to the arena to do.

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The main show per se the the
content we produce Tan on the

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outdoor stage was going to be
inserted in the main show,

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right?
Anyway, I was up on the stage,

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you know, helping the gaffer
actually lighting director

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pickles, doing some Focus work
and I kind I was up stage and

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they were loading up, which band
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I think it was the Tribute band
for Skynyrd, which had all

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these, you know Pickers from way
back / was one some of the guys

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from scanner.
Anyway, it was like a all-star

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band set up.
I'm just kind of up there

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looking at this gear going.
Wow, that's that's a nice

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equipment.
You know, a lot of vintage

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equipment and then I realize I
found in the way and I turned to

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take a step to go kind of
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Age and upstage left and their
remember, there was a trust our

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there and a curtain.
And I look down at the curtain

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and usually the curtain lands on
the deck, right?

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So I took a step with my left
foot and there was no deck

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there, I fell off into a hole on
my left side and yeah, fractured

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my pelvis and my left arm and
I'm guessing you couldn't even

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move, right?
Like you couldn't get No, no,

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no.
They had to put me on a

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stretcher and went through the
University of Texas had like a

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medical team there and they kind
of evaluating then they

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transported me.
So, I was in the hospital for

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three days and Austin boy, and
then fortunately, where the

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pelvis was broken.
The doctors told me, it was a

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non load-bearing area.
So in other words, I could get

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up and walk if I could stand the
pain.

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Yeah.
And it wouldn't it wouldn't make

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him furniture at anything other
than nothing.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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In fact, the next day here they
are the physical therapy.

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Nurses are trying to get me up
out of bed and walking and I

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think I cannot do this.
This this was the beginning of

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April 5 weeks and now you're
walking and stuff.

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I can walk pretty good, you
know, I transition from a

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wheelchair to a cane and my
steps are pretty smooth.

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You know, I don't look like one
of my PT therapists who are

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saying, don't walk like grandpa
in the old sitcom.

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Can't remember which one it was
but, you know, he kind of

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lurching around and yeah, but So
that's looking much better.

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Now, my left arm I haven't been
released to load it up, so that

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makes it really challenging, you
know, even using a computer,

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whatever they said, you can pick
up anything, nothing heavier

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than a cup of coffee.
No tea.

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So that's that's my reward.
You break your arm here in the

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elbow Rotator.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it's a bone.
It wraps around like that boy.

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So it's just, it's from what I
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The x-rays and pretty clean
fracture just sort of a

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straight.
Yeah, but if you will, and I

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don't think the bone actually
displays but, you know, they,

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the doctors just don't want me.
Loading it up and put pressure

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on.
So hopefully next week I'll be

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released to go back to light
duty work.

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At least I've got some projects
coming up.

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Yeah, And I want to get back on
location and damn, I'm sorry you

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had to go through that.
Does the I don't even know if

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this is a good question to ask
or not.

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But does the production take
care of you in that type of a

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situation?
Or are you just on your own

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insurance and stuff?
How does well?

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So, fortunately on this
production was on a pink

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contract through iatse, okay,
which you may be familiar with

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so that contract goes through
payroll.

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All company called cast and
crew.

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Okay.
So they are the responsible

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party as far as workman's comp
is concerned.

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Okay.
And I've had tremendous backup

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from not only the folks that are
work with its EMT.

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But also the people at casterly
crew, there's multiple like

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account managers and nurses and
everybody's following up on my

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progress and that's amazing.
And and frankly had I've had had

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to spend very Little money on my
own behalf and or said you have

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to know.
Yeah, no I mean it it's one of

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the things that, you know, you
hear horror stories in our

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industry of people with no
savings, no insurance, you know,

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the typical Gypsy, you know,
Roadie person, right?

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Yeah and it scares the hell out
of me, you know?

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Like I the last thing I want is
to see someone, you know, who

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can't afford to deal with some
sort of an illness or injury or

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whatever and I I've heard of
loads of people getting hurt on

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Productions that were just
basically, you know, flip the

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bird, you know, ya know, I can
relate to that because one of my

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early jobs after moving to
Nashville, I was basically told

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that when I went from a salaried
situation to like you know gig

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and the artist basically told us
look you don't, we don't I'm not

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going to carry any kind of
insurance on this you guys.

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So you need to go out and get
your own insurance which

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actually was a great thing
because it prompted me to seek

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health insurance which at the
time was When I was a younger

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man and I remember it took us a
while to kind of find it.

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Yes.
A this is back in the 80s and

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also in the insurance company
for an order for me to get to

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health insurance and made me
take out a life insurance

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policy, which I really didn't
want to do because I was so

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young and that I kept up all
those years and actually was

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able to cash it in for real.
The good return.

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Oh, well, good, yeah, this is
about 10 years ago.

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Okay, for you.
Good for you.

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I love when people can spend
their own life insurance while

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they're still alive.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
As long as there's money

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somewhere for someone to bury
you, you know, who we're not

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responsible to feed the people
around us for the rest of their

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lives.
They can go fend for themselves

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like we did, right?
So that's that's actually a

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really good segue to kind of
Lead in, if you want to talk

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about my early career, know I'd
love to because honestly I don't

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I you know I've known you
because we've done business for

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the last 10 years or so but I
don't go further back than that.

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Yeah, I don't need 800, I don't
really know, you know, where you

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started and how you started and
and you know, just given your

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age similar to mine.
I'm guessing, you know, you came

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from either you were a musician
and you know, realized Used, it

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wasn't going to pay well, see,
you found a different route or

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something?
Is that a familiar story?

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Pretty, pretty much.
Yeah, I played rock guitar and

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bands in high school, right?
And it was me, my Junior and

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Senior year and, you know,
started buying guitars and amps

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and all that stuff.
And when I graduated from high

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school, this was in San Antonio,
Texas.

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And that would have been the
It's 70s.

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You know I graduated in 75 it's
kind of Tonio at that period of

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time was like a test bed or hard
work Rock acts, they had a

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station down there, an FM
station Kiss radio which was

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actually the first Ki SS radio
and they would bring in a lot of

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Canadian acts.
Actually detest them in that

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market because of all the
Military bases.

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The demographics.
There were really good for

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testing out, new bands and
material.

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Wasn't it?
Triumph that kind of broken San

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Antonio rushing to remember that
from there?

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From that sort of biopic thing
that they did recently occupied.

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They broke them and San Antonio
Rush some other American acts

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you know that some of them
became Quite famous others.

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Not so much.
Yeah.

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So there was a really diverse
and lucrative market market for

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up-and-coming acts in San
Antonio that period of time

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thing.
So after a while I was playing

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in these bands, I decided to
start lighting my band.

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Right?
Cuz, you know, didn't have any

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lights and I saw were a couple
other groups and bars had used

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just like flood light fixtures,
you know, your regular screw

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base.
Flood lights had made these

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boxes.
With one end open, you can put

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three of those ceramic
floodlight receptacles in there.

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Go ahead and put your red was my
room with my lighting rig, when

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I was a kid too.
Absolutely.

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Exactly.
And you just ran what three

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Edison chords, right?
All the way back to something,

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whether It was a foot switch on
the stage for me for me, I

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actually made my own console
which was basically I think it

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had eight household switches and
they were gang together on two

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plugs because I knew I could get
you know if I could find the

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solid 15, 20 amp receptacle
somewhere I could plug just

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about anything.
I wanted in four on one side and

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four on another and so yeah made
my own board and Had those

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floodlights.
I acquired was, she's at term

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some theatrical fixtures along
the way.

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Yeah, they confirm a lure to, I
think I had.

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And so really what happened was
very soon.

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After high school, I was playing
in this band and we were pretty

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good.
I thought we were good and

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somebody had a Beer party said,
told me that I suck at Guitar,

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so it's kind of stuck with me.
I'm like, well, maybe I'm not as

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good as I think I am.
Yeah.

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And so, I kind of graduated from
playing into working for bands.

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Whether some bands, I was like,
the backline guy, but mostly

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doing lighting and eventually
actually got A house gig at one

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Club in San Antonio, so that had
been my first paying job doing

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lighting.
Well, then that would have been

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in those early days like that
was, you were such a rarity,

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right?
So like when, when people in

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town heard that this guy henze
had, you know, some experience

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or knowledge and lighting
suddenly, it was like, hey,

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aren't you that lighting guy,
you know, and suddenly you've

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got opportunities to work with
You want?

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Yeah.
It's, you know, some of the

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better bands, local bands would
have lining guides, others

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wouldn't, I'd say the vast
majority did and so I did that.

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And I also during that period of
time when I, when I got out of

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high school, in order to make a
living because that lighting

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stuff been paid crap, I was
running, heavy equipment, doing

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construction, work, running
loaders.

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And, you know, No track hoes and
graters and all that stuff

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during the day.
So I work at 10:00 hour 12 hour

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shift during the day and then go
work in the club not.

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Oh yeah.
Burning the candle at 0 to be a

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kid again, right?
Totally.

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I saw that was Challenging and I
didn't sleep much.

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Yeah.
And there may have been

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substances at the time.
Yeah, I don't know.

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Yeah.
But me either eventually this

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other lighting guy.
I had met approached me and said

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he said two things.
He said I need a guy to come run

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a follow spot.
And I was super show, and if

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you're good at it, I've got a
road job for you.

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So your sound cut out for a
second.

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Are you said in an Alice?
Cooper show.

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Yeah, propolis spot files,
powered our supership but a

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carbon Arc, which I did.
I had no idea, you know how

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carbon are well, many danger you
were getting yourself into, I

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was ready to try and What's
really interesting about this

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club?
And you can Google it.

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It was a club called Randy's
Rodeo.

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It's probably the biggest Club
in San Antonio, at the time, the

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Sex Pistols played one of their,
oh, few shows there.

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And here's another connection.
Before I talk to this fellow

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about these two jobs run, follow
spot in the subsequent wrote or

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I had gone down there and done a
rush show with some of my

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equipment.
Went and helped out another

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lighting guy from another local
band who was opening for Rush

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and guess who the LD was Howard
on the ladder.

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Yeah.
Now he, by the way, that's

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another really great podcasts.
He listened to.

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He tells a couple stories on
there that had me in stitches.

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One in particular, about a pony,
you got it here that I'm telling

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you.
It's a good one.

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Yeah. so, Anyway, I went, and I
did the Alice Cooper show

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learned how to run the fall spot
and keep the park in the right

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spot.
And, you know, when to change

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the rods and all that stuff.
And then I went from that, this

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can't remember his name for the
life of the sld for this local

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00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:34,100
band that.
Okay, I'm going to train you To

451
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,600
take my place as I don't want to
tour with these guys anymore.

452
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:43,800
So the group was called the
American Peddlers and really

453
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,300
interesting bunch of guys, they
were older you know in their

454
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:54,700
mid-thirties here I would have
been 23 at the time 24 and we're

455
00:28:54,700 --> 00:29:04,400
talking this was at the
beginning of 1982 and These guys

456
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,000
in this band could play, they
had a little rock show, that was

457
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,600
like covers and they had their
own material.

458
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Then they also had they could do
a country show.

459
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,700
I mean, they can play country
music, really decent.

460
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:22,400
If they, if they were booked in
a country bar, they do that and

461
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,700
put on that cowboy boots.
And nobody would know the

462
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:28,100
difference even though they had
the long hair and everything and

463
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:33,200
then they also had this like a
Trilogy that was more like

464
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,900
Dinner Show where it was three
parts where you started off with

465
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,900
the 50 and then they did the
60s, you know, with

466
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:45,500
intermissions in between, and we
did curtains, you know, little

467
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:50,800
black box, and had the lighting
and special effects and

468
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
Mirrorball everything that
worked really well for the

469
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
trilogy show.
So, they least guys they they

470
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,600
knew what they were doing.
They knew how to put on a decent

471
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:07,300
show and do.
So I think he trained me maybe

472
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,800
one day.
And then I went out on the road

473
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,300
with them and they actually had
some really decent equipment.

474
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:18,900
They had cd80 Democrats.
I don't you remember those?

475
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,700
Yeah, that's old, codger.
Yeah.

476
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:30,400
And two of those packs 12-way
packs and they had the Strand

477
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,100
board that would communicate
with them because it is a

478
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:38,800
special protocol is a little
micro Flex connector and strand

479
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,800
board was called a man tricks I
believe and to see.

480
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,300
But you could actually program
looks on faders.

481
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:51,400
I mean, it was state-of-the-art
stuff for that time and then

482
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,900
they own to follow spots to
regular Troopers.

483
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,800
They had some wrong time.
We're trusting and Park Hands,

484
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,400
multi cable, which I've never
seen before.

485
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,200
Like, this is wonderful.
You know, I could do six

486
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,000
circuits also and so the band
owned, all the gear they toured

487
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
with all their own gear.
Okay, cool.

488
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,900
So and what else?
You know, special effects.

489
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,800
They had pyro pack.
Flash pods with a little

490
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,500
controller and all that stuff
and dry ice machine, you know

491
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,900
everything you needed to.
To really do an interesting and

492
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:40,800
full-featured type show.
So they generally toward at like

493
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:46,500
military installations Air Force
clubs, especially some army

494
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:50,500
bases, and then we would do
regular clubs on the side.

495
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,500
And they had had a silver eagle
used bus that they got from

496
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,400
another touring act with a big
trailer behind it.

497
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,200
We had Genie Towers.
We used to put super Towers in

498
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:10,000
The Bays of the bus.
His each other couldn't even

499
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,800
close the doors on the bus
because the genie Towers were

500
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,900
much too crazy.
But but Ron tower on top of the

501
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:20,800
trailer and strap it down.
And was like, what kind of

502
00:32:20,808 --> 00:32:25,100
venues the airman's clubs could
be pretty big.

503
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,300
Surprisingly.
I remember the one at Lackland,

504
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:34,200
in San Antonio was huge Club.
Hold probably five, six hundred

505
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Air Force, you know, they're all
In training at that point and

506
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,300
very enthusiastic.
Here's, I was think about this,

507
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:49,700
they to get the power for the
dimmer packs, right?

508
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:52,600
You know, because you're looking
at with the number instrument,

509
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,000
they had maybe 200 amps and we
had feeder, but there was never

510
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,700
a dedicated disconnect for that.
So they had one set of Cam locks

511
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,400
with giant alligator clips.
It and they, we would open up a

512
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,700
panel kid, you not open up the
panel, go on the line side and

513
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:19,600
clamp pose as a Taylor Swift,
you'd be like doing this and

514
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,700
Sparks Fly.
Oh my God.

515
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,100
Yeah, you know, I mean, it might
explain some things, but when I

516
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,600
was in bands, half the time, for
some reason, I was always the

517
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,900
guy that had to go up to the
bartender and I was in the band,

518
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,400
I was a member of the band,
right?

519
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,200
But the lighting guy wouldn't do
it in the sound guy, wouldn't do

520
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,500
it.
So I'd have to go up to the

521
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:47,900
bartender and ask him to turn
off the power on the stage, you

522
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,300
know, so that we could connect
to the to the thing on the

523
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,400
stage, right?
And so I'd go do that.

524
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,700
That and then I have to go and
connect to the onto the,

525
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:02,400
whatever the hell it's called.
And of course, half the time it

526
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,500
was still hot and I'd be like,
nah.

527
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,300
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, are

528
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:10,100
you sure it's off?
Oh yeah, I'm sure.

529
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:14,199
Yeah.
Well, you know, and then you

530
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,900
know buddy I don't know that I
owned an amp probe.

531
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,500
Not at that time.
You just basically turn

532
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:25,300
everything on and you know, ask
him behind If you're using the

533
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:28,000
same disconnect as far, okay.
Is everything on.

534
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,500
Are we going to trip any
Breakers?

535
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,400
Yeah I think I'm gonna catch on
fire.

536
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:37,600
That's about all you could do.
But yeah, so these guys in this

537
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,199
band they've been doing this
this touring for quite some time

538
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,500
and that actually had made
themselves a little niche in San

539
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:50,100
Antonio through the guys in the
band were promoters as well.

540
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,199
Okay.
And they they would get

541
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,699
contracts to do touring a
national touring Act.

542
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,800
In the same venue that they work
with their group, right?

543
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,000
And they would promote them and
those contracts would usually be

544
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,600
buyer provides.
In other words, they the

545
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,400
promoter would provide the gear
there for me and the sound guy,

546
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,300
they would send us out to do
these other shows.

547
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:24,000
We did shows for like dr.
Hook Eddie Raven was a country

548
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,100
act Reba McEntire.
Fire back when she was a

549
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:29,400
McIntyre.
Yeah.

550
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:36,200
And then they landed.
For shows with Louise Mandrell,

551
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:38,300
one of the mandrel assistance,
right?

552
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,900
The brunette.
So we went out and took a U-Haul

553
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,400
with all their gear and went out
and did these series of shows

554
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:55,200
and the last one was in
Louisiana, I think and they the

555
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:59,100
production guy and the guys in
the band had all been coming up

556
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,000
to me after the show's Main, and
you do really good job working.

557
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:03,700
Clyde's.
We don't have anybody.

558
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,100
We need somebody.
Well, sure enough.

559
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:11,900
If that last show they
approached me and the tour

560
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,300
manager production, guys that
look come with me out the bus.

561
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,000
Louise wants to talk to you, I
went out there and since I look

562
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,600
really like you, you do a great
job.

563
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,700
Move to Nashville.
You can work with us all the

564
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,400
time, and I'm like, hell yeah.
There you go.

565
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,100
There's your brake home.
Yeah.

566
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:34,200
Big-time big-time Break Stuff.
And you were in your mid-20s and

567
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,400
you got to go home and tell your
parents.

568
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,700
I've got a real job.
Finally, whatever.

569
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,800
Yeah, good news is, I've got a
job, the bad news is its in

570
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,100
Nashville.
Yeah.

571
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

572
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,500
Pretty much.
And, you know, I think my

573
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:52,500
parents had already they'd moved
out of San Antonio - oh, I was

574
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:56,400
living had been living on my own
until, you know, it wasn't that

575
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:58,900
part of a pill and of course.
Yeah.

576
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,500
So you're just glad you've been
in Nashville, a long time, Then

577
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,000
yeah.
Since Karen huh?

578
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,600
An 82.
Wow.

579
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,400
Before.
It was kind of a thing.

580
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

581
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,200
It wasn't much of a dragon went.
Yeah, yeah.

582
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,700
Yeah.
I mean, the whole, the whole

583
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:22,400
country touring thing has
changed so much because I

584
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,000
remember like back in the day
when it was TLS or banded and,

585
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,600
you know, a dozen intelli beams,
you know, and that was a pretty

586
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,100
big country show, you know, was
Was, you know, yeah. 40 40 or 50

587
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:40,100
pars and and and a dozen intelli
beams and that was pretty much

588
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,000
everybody like all the big
country artist.

589
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,300
That's what they were touring
with.

590
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:50,400
You know, to me, it didn't
really lighting didn't rate with

591
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,100
most of the groups, especially,
you know, lower level groups or

592
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,700
even the mid-level group,
lighting wasn't that important

593
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,600
to you.
Get really into the 2000.

594
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,300
I mean, even prior that.
Now, some of the bigger groups.

595
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,100
Yeah.
Oakridge Boys.

596
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:13,100
You know in the 90s who else,
you know, some of the really big

597
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,100
Acts.
They yeah.

598
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,900
They had big rigs.
Yeah.

599
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:19,000
And we can talk about those as
we get down the timeline.

600
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,900
Yeah, it just didn't seem to be
that important.

601
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:28,200
I used to really frustrate me
really did because, you know,

602
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,200
especially when you go off to do
a like a one-off and you don't

603
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,300
have your gear with you and the
promoter.

604
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:39,100
You know it's buyer provides a
don't stuff is a bunch of junk

605
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,700
and you expect, you know, yeah,
I'd like to do a good job, same

606
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:46,800
time I think.
You know, like the nostalgic

607
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,100
side of me, you know, as much as
I've made loads of money selling

608
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:55,900
lighting for Big Country acts
and stuff, I think the rawness,

609
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,600
and, and just the down and
dirty, rawness of a Country tour

610
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
back.
Then compared to today, where

611
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,300
they're just like rock and roll
shows or pop shows today.

612
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,100
Right there, the same thing.
Basically, you know, big video

613
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:11,000
screen, loads of moving lights,
probably bigger in most cases

614
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,400
than the Rock shows, because
they're making so much money.

615
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:17,800
But it was just quite a back
then, like, you know, it was

616
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,800
just different, they were much
more raw.

617
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,000
And it was about the music and,
and the sort of mood, not not

618
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,300
necessarily the show and great.
Yeah.

619
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:35,100
So the and another aspect of all
that is and I was very fortunate

620
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:40,600
for my career, to take that path
is that you learn what I would

621
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,500
call the meat and potatoes.
Early.

622
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:47,400
You know I mean how to put a
system together with just

623
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,300
conventionals and you know have
it interesting how not to give

624
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:57,100
it all up on the first song and
how how to hook all that stuff

625
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:01,100
up?
Make it work you know whenever

626
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:05,300
you just walk into a gig and
it's in disarray or they unload

627
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,300
the trucks and nothing's prep,
you know, that's what we had to

628
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:10,300
do that all the time.
Right?

629
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:15,300
So I thought, oh yeah.
I toured started touring with

630
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:21,300
Louise.
And here's a funny note, one of

631
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,500
the first things they asked me
they said, okay, we're going to

632
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:28,400
go out and We're going to start
a run.

633
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:33,900
We're going to travel from
Nashville to Los Angeles and do

634
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:36,900
a show at Disneyland.
And they're going to have all

635
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,900
the lights we need there, right?
Okay.

636
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,000
Great.
And then, we're going to go from

637
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,700
there to Portland.
Maine.

638
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:47,200
I'm like, isn't that like all
the way across the country?

639
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,300
And yeah, and they, you know,
production guy said what?

640
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:55,700
And, you know, after that, we're
going to be doing a whole bunch

641
00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:00,300
of county fairs state fairs.
And you know, all the lights

642
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,000
you'll need will be there.
What it would, what can you

643
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,800
think of that?
You would need to do the best

644
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,000
job?
And the first thing I thought of

645
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,100
was intercom because in those
types of, you know, especially

646
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,000
the fares, the intercom is
always crap, right?

647
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,800
So say, yeah, give me a clear
calm system with two Bell packs

648
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,300
and headsets for the follow
spots, some cable and my own

649
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:30,300
headset that Helped tremendously
and then the other really good

650
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:31,700
call.
I don't know that I would have

651
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:34,400
thought of that one but that's a
good call very good.

652
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,100
The other the other item was a
big 12-foot, A-frame ladder with

653
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,100
the extension that goes up the
middle.

654
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:46,200
So you can get that joker like
16 feet in it, you know.

655
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,100
Yeah.
Because I knew those fairs,

656
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,500
you're going to get some rickety
piece of junk, the ladder, you

657
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:57,800
know, and not be able to reach
any that this is forget it.

658
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,300
Yeah.
So and they went out and bought

659
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,600
that stuff and they put us in
this truck.

660
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,700
It was like a Castaway truck
from Statler Brothers.

661
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,200
They, you know, that they had
grown out of it Mercedes-Benz.

662
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:18,000
It was a Furniture truck, right?
With the overhang over the cab

663
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
and they had cut it where you've
got sleeping quarters.

664
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Yeah.
Well it, what the, what they had

665
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,800
neglected to do is to make a
pathway from Driver's

666
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,500
compartment into the sleeper, so
when you got in the sleeper it

667
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:36,900
was like it was like a door with
the latches that the latches

668
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:40,200
were on the outside.
So when me and Dan, the

669
00:42:40,207 --> 00:42:43,300
production guy went and looked
at this truck were like, okay,

670
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:48,100
you get in the sleeper, you go
on, you know, five 600 miles.

671
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,100
He got some guy driving.
How the hell do you get his

672
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:51,900
attention?
You know.

673
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:53,800
No cell phones or anything like
that?

674
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,100
We didn't we didn't have radios.
Yeah, how do you How do you get

675
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:00,700
his attention?
If somebody is, you know, in

676
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:04,600
trouble, or you got to stop, you
know, use the restroom or

677
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,500
whatever.
So we put these it did have like

678
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:12,800
those slap glass windows like
you see in old style campers,

679
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,200
really crank them up and we
could just see reaching out

680
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,700
through those and getting arms
all, cut the hell.

681
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,900
So, we eliminated those and put
this Plexi on there, that way we

682
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,800
could reach the latch on the
outside to open the door.

683
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,700
And also We could wave at the
driver in the rearview mirror.

684
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:30,900
Hey stop.
Oh my goodness.

685
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,200
What a system that is.
We called it.

686
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,700
The death Truck.
Yeah.

687
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:40,400
And we put we will put white
Gaff tape on the side and put in

688
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Sharpie on their skull and
crossbones death truck and we

689
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,800
were driving through weigh
stations and that was the one

690
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,700
that you had to go from
California to Maine in.

691
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:55,300
Holy shit.
When we left, welcome to Turin,

692
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,800
son.
What's my first show with her?

693
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,700
You know, as an employee there
Disneyland was, like, I went

694
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:09,000
from, you know, meat and
potatoes lighting to this

695
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:13,300
incredible set up the river
stage or everything pops out of

696
00:44:13,308 --> 00:44:17,400
these boxes, all these pars and
leak owes.

697
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,800
And, you know, they got a
computer console and then

698
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,400
Gladiators so far away, you
can't see the thing, you know.

699
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:28,600
Do they all sort of much are
they?

700
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,900
I've walked up there and I go
guys, you know, what do I do?

701
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,900
How do how do you know I didn't,
you know, it was like trying to

702
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:42,300
figure out how do I explain
them, you know what I do for her

703
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:46,200
show and they're just like, you
know, just tell us the colors

704
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,800
you want for the songs and then
Q the follow spot.

705
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,900
So it'll be really easy and it
was it was super easy and and it

706
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,100
was just amazing.
Variants.

707
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,400
And, you know, I realize that
technology right there, could be

708
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,500
your friend, you know, what the
proper guys in the right places,

709
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,200
you know, they could work really
well.

710
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,800
Yeah, so yeah, went from that to
Portland and then all those

711
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,200
fairs now, eventually, I think
it was the following year,

712
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:21,800
Louise and her husband Archie
been decided to do like this

713
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,300
Vegas type stroke.
They really wanted to Jazz it

714
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:30,000
up, they went out and had
risers, fabricated me, and Dan

715
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,100
Waters, made the engineering
drawing for these risers,

716
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,900
literally on a napkin, and their
truck stopped, and gave it to a

717
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:40,400
local manufacturing company for
the risers.

718
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,700
They would stand up on their
backs and roll off.

719
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:47,200
They're really cool.
We had a plexiglass I On the

720
00:45:47,207 --> 00:45:50,600
front of the Riser.
Louise was backlit with many

721
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,900
broads.
Had a couple of the old boys,

722
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:56,800
the Rosco smoke machine.
The first one that came out.

723
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,700
I remember, I can't remember how
the heck we were triggering

724
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:03,200
those things though because it
was just a remote.

725
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:11,000
And what else typically tubes?
You may have those original rope

726
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,200
light.
Yeah, that goes all the way

727
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,500
across the apron.
And then on the edging, on the

728
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:21,600
rise, ER, I had a little little
controller for that we had pyro

729
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,800
and what else confetti cannon.
So we had this whole special

730
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,300
effects package that we could
come in and add, you know, using

731
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:39,500
the house system and really make
it, you know, a cool show, you

732
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,700
know.
And I mean we take this stuff

733
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:45,400
into state fairs county fairs
and the people just, you know,

734
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:46,800
they never seen anything like
it.

735
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:51,900
They were just blown away.
Yeah, but controlling all that

736
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:56,400
crap because this is, you know,
you didn't have a board back

737
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,000
then that would control all
those different devices.

738
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,800
So each one of those devices
that is separate controller for

739
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,700
it, which got be pretty crazy.
Yeah.

740
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:10,100
What up trying to trying to do
an on dim over here?

741
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Typically to changing great over
here and oh don't forget the

742
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,800
Pyro Q, you know?
Yeah.

743
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,500
So what was touring like back
then?

744
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:22,000
From a, from a living
standpoint, like you weren't on

745
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,800
tour buses where you were, you
staying in half decent hotels or

746
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,000
well.
Most of the time we're on the

747
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,500
truck oh really?
Well, yeah.

748
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:35,500
I mean we did get hotel rooms,
you know, I would say maybe once

749
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:39,700
a week but I mean, we were hit.
I think that that second year I

750
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:42,100
was with, or we did almost 200
show.

751
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,300
I mean, it was, it was crazy
him, by the way, remember I

752
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:49,700
warned you about the roofing guy
above my head.

753
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:53,500
So yeah, he's just decided to
come back and tweak some stuff

754
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:56,200
apparently.
So he was gone an hour ago, but

755
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,300
now he's back.
So I might mute my mic and

756
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:08,900
between talk, okay, no worries.
So yeah, it was a great learning

757
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:12,800
experience.
Plus it got you to Nashville.

758
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:15,400
Yeah.
You know and it was well is that

759
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,100
a cool place to come to
Nashville?

760
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,900
Like what are a cool time to
come to Nashville or was that

761
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:21,500
pretty sleepy at that point?
Still?

762
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,400
It was kind of sleepy.
I mean, you know, Broadway was

763
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,100
Broadway, a lot of honky-tonks
down there.

764
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:33,700
Yeah the Ryman was in a very sad
State at that point they weren't

765
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:39,000
even using In the Ryman, the
Opry show was over, at Opryland

766
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,500
park in that what they call the
Opry today, which is the big

767
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:49,200
stage and I believe TNN, the
Nashville network was already up

768
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:55,500
and running, okay?
So that and that actually worked

769
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,600
out really well for me.
Because at the end of that

770
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,000
second year with Louise like
we're talking about earlier,

771
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,100
she's laid us off from our
salary and said well you can

772
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:14,800
come back next tour and I'll
hire you but you're done.

773
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:17,300
And this was like in middle of
November.

774
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,600
So here I was in Nashville
without a job.

775
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:27,900
So I went to The union hall and
applied for a job and started

776
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:31,800
working, you know, they didn't
give me a union card right away

777
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,100
or anything like that.
You had to work certain amount

778
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,900
of days or whatever, you know,
meet all their requirements, go

779
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:41,000
up for the vote, all that stuff,
which I would really wasn't

780
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,300
interested in all I wanted is
work.

781
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,000
Yeah.
And so, while I was doing that,

782
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:53,200
you know, I was exposed to some
really big shows in the

783
00:49:53,400 --> 00:50:00,000
Auditorium there, like Van Halen
1984, I worked at, so just a

784
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,000
monster.
So when you say you work the

785
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,000
show super you like a stagehand
at that point or yeah.

786
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,500
On the lighting crew.
Yeah.

787
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:12,500
Okay, basically.
Yeah, they started bringing in.

788
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,000
They think that show pre-rigged
at six in the morning for a

789
00:50:16,008 --> 00:50:20,900
mother grid about an hour after
that.

790
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Trusted lighting truss is
started coming in when Other

791
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,000
good would go up and Marcel from
that period on.

792
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:33,200
They would bring in me tracks
with lamp bars, non-stop one

793
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:38,600
right after the other, it was
like through lunch at like 3:00

794
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,400
wasn't that the one where there
was like eight hundred pilot or

795
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,700
something?
It's insane.

796
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:47,300
I can't remember.
But it was a lot of a lot of

797
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:49,000
land.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

798
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:54,700
And and they lied.
The crew, they were working them

799
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,200
and shift.
So you'd work the morning with

800
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600
one guy you know.
Hanging powerbars is one right

801
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,200
after another trust and fly up.
Here's another one.

802
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,100
Bam, bam, bam and also in this
guy would leave, you're going.

803
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:11,800
Okay, where do you go?
Here comes another guy because

804
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,300
you know they were doing, we're
literally working nonstop, you

805
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:19,200
know, I mean there may have been
a break what a four or five hour

806
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,500
break while they went from one
city to another.

807
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:23,100
It's just crazy.
Yeah.

808
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:32,900
What I was I was at the Genesis
tour in 1984 the big first

809
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,300
moving light tour.
Yeah, and that that's where I.

810
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:44,200
I'm pretty sure I first saw Bill
ones first time I saw any moving

811
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,100
light.
Yeah, and I don't know if you've

812
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,100
ever seen pictures of that rig,
of course.

813
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:52,800
Yeah.
It's just yeah, it was wild.

814
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,600
Yeah, that's what gives me
goosebumps.

815
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Because the crowd there, they
just stole it is.

816
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,800
Didn't look at the light rig?
It just well, that was just such

817
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:09,200
a big evolution for shows, like
just it was like, whoa, we just

818
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,100
went to a whole different level
now.

819
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:18,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're sure.
And so, I was getting a good

820
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,600
exposure to the other side of
the industry, you know, where

821
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:28,900
the he was way out there and
scale with much larger doing

822
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:32,800
those types of shows and then
also with the Union I started

823
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,600
doing television stuff, you
know, at local venues with

824
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,900
tienen lighting directors, you
know and you know at first I was

825
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:48,000
kind of kind of sorted sort of
interested in it but yeah I

826
00:52:48,008 --> 00:52:50,700
really like a rock and roll
stuff you know you're glad

827
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,400
that's okay, I'll go out, make a
few Bots or whatever.

828
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,800
Right.
Didn't think there was much art

829
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,400
to it per se.
Yeah.

830
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,300
You know, was it?
Do you remember, was it a

831
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,100
different pay scale or anything
or were you being paid the same?

832
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:06,600
Whether you went on a TV on
those you knew calls.

833
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,400
It could be all over the map.
Pretty much generally The Rock

834
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,300
shows didn't pay as well.
Yeah, you know depending on what

835
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:16,300
position you were in?
Yeah you know if that's what I

836
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:18,900
was thinking like maybe it
wasn't as fun but you made more

837
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:22,200
money.
No, The Rock stuff did not pay

838
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,600
as well as TV.
Yeah, he there.

839
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,700
But you know, I back then, I
didn't really care that much

840
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,700
about the money.
Yeah, yeah.

841
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:40,400
So let's getting starting to get
exposure to television and I

842
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,200
think that the third year, I
looked worked for Louise, we

843
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,100
ended up doing some bigger shows
where she was like a support

844
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,200
act.
They used to have this big tour

845
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,200
called Marlboro country music.
To her, okay?

846
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,000
And every year they would go
out, you know, with a headliner

847
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,100
and then pick up support acts,
you know, they do probably, I

848
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:05,900
don't know, it's probably 30 or
40 shows around the country and

849
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:12,000
it it was big production.
But remember Louise was booked

850
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,800
on one and Someplace on the east
coast.

851
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,000
And we were the very first brute
with the lowest group on the

852
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,800
bill, right?
So when they brought her band

853
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,300
here to the stage for sound
check, they literally had 15

854
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,500
minutes and I walked out the
front of house.

855
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:39,700
Here's this giant Park and and
it had vo ones on it rigged.

856
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,700
And I'm going.
Fifteen minutes.

857
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:46,200
What can I get done?
And guess who the programmer

858
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,400
was?
It was Jim wait Jesus.

859
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:54,600
Oh yeah.
And he said look, you need to

860
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,600
look at these lights.
He's moving lights as what you

861
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,300
need to find.
One or two, maybe three things

862
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:08,300
that they'll do really well.
That maybe you don't have that

863
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:12,900
particular kind of light in the
rig and use those likes to do

864
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,100
that purpose.
Maybe another purpose.

865
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:20,100
Let me program that today and
then the next time you come back

866
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:25,200
we'll get a couple more end and
just build off of that and which

867
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,400
was really kind of revolutionary
thing because, you know, most of

868
00:55:30,408 --> 00:55:34,500
the guys that I've seen that
when they walk in with moving

869
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,600
lights with first-time, first
thing they do is try to make

870
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,300
them value right there.
Moving little shit out of move

871
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,700
Gotta Move.
Yeah, that was that was not what

872
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:46,700
I think what I did was that,
that particular system Didn't

873
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:51,200
have an audience wants on it
from some odd reason, okay?

874
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:53,900
That's it.
Jim no audience license, use

875
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:56,900
them for audience, like I said,
yeah, great bam.

876
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,300
And that's what we did and then
each time we would pick back up.

877
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,700
Same thing, we do it a little
bit more, do a stage wash, maybe

878
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:09,800
do another stage wash and just
methodically work your way into

879
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,100
it to where your they serve a
purpose rather than just

880
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,400
willy-nilly.
You know, did it all begin for

881
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,600
point where the artist was
saying to you?

882
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,600
Hey why don't we have those
other lights this time?

883
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,400
You know, I really like those
other lights or whatever like

884
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:33,900
we're not at that time Louise
was always more conscious of the

885
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:36,500
follow spot.
I remember that about her

886
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,700
because man I tell you that
those follow spots weren't spot

887
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:42,400
on.
Yeah, I would hear about it, you

888
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,700
know, it's because she's old
school.

889
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:49,400
I don't know if you've ever
recognize this is that the

890
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,400
old-school performers Apollo
spots are their comfort zone,

891
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,600
right?
And if that spot is not on them

892
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,400
at the right time, sometimes is
even the right color, you know,

893
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:02,400
they'll know it, you know, I'm
not supposed to be in red right

894
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,900
now supposed to be pink.
Well, if you listen to smeaton's

895
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,000
podcast, that he did with me, he
talks a lot about that.

896
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,400
Like, because he dealt with a
lot of the, the Divas, you know.

897
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,900
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

898
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,200
And you know, like Diana Ross
and and whoever I don't even

899
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,900
remember but, you know, he said
that was always sort of the

900
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:27,900
thing, the follow spots and
especially you know, the color

901
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:31,200
and the color that they didn't
want, like never put green on me

902
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,900
or never put this on me or
whatever.

903
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:36,600
And they were very, very
particular about that.

904
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,700
If they ever saw a picture
anything of that.

905
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:42,200
Yeah, with particular color or,
you know, whatever.

906
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:45,900
So yeah, I can see it being
pretty.

907
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:48,300
Pretty intense about the follow
spots for sure.

908
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,100
Yeah.
Generally the more traditional

909
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,900
artists, you know, they just
wanted them white, you know,

910
00:57:54,900 --> 00:58:00,100
open white and you know, I could
sometimes talk them into, you

911
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,300
know, a Flesh Pink.
You know, that makes you look

912
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:05,800
better, you know.
And then if it was some kind of

913
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,800
real emotional ballad or
something, maybe get into a nice

914
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,700
lavender, you know, you can
usually justify those kind of

915
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:16,000
things.
But at that point, I never a

916
00:58:16,008 --> 00:58:19,000
really worked with anybody where
you get to truly saturated

917
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,600
colors on your Paula spot.
I like watching.

918
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Film of the older rock shows,
where those of these had so much

919
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:35,400
latitude on the follow spot
treatment of talent and with

920
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,200
good film, I mean, the one that
really comes to mind.

921
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:43,600
Think of, as Led Zeppelin Song,
Remains the saying where the LDS

922
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,800
using super saturated colors and
it just looks so good.

923
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:50,900
Yeah, you know?
Yeah, it's a cloud.

924
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:55,500
That's a good one.
Yes, so great.

925
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Were you ever getting?
So I mean you were bouncing back

926
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,000
and forth between being in LD
with, with Louise and and being,

927
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,300
you know, doing shows as a hand
or a part of the lighting crew

928
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:11,500
or whatever had you decided by
that point, basically, I want to

929
00:59:11,508 --> 00:59:13,700
be an LD.
Like this is like where you

930
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:17,800
starting to try and develop a
tingle a little bit, and it was

931
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,700
like a I don't want to go back
to that.

932
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,500
I want to do this.
Well, it's funny because a

933
00:59:23,508 --> 00:59:28,100
couple more senior guys at that,
the union said we were out.

934
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,400
Out on a called setting up some
big HMI lights for tienen and

935
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,200
we're in the back of the truck,
you know?

936
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:38,400
And they go hey hon, you know,
you can come work with us.

937
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:43,600
And and do that all the time and
make plenty of money and not

938
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,300
travel.
And I said no, no.

939
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,100
I think I'd rather travel.
Yeah, you had the bug.

940
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,200
I remember that specifically.
Yeah, yeah.

941
00:59:53,200 --> 01:00:00,600
So so I stuck it out with Louise
till the end of 84 and I think

942
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,700
her career was starting to taper
off the venue's from Britain

943
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:08,400
getting crappier and crappier, I
don't know what my reasons were

944
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,500
but you know, I've walked away
from that.

945
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:18,500
It ran its and yeah and then I
think probably through my

946
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:22,800
connections and working with the
guys that tienen, there was a

947
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:28,500
another lighting vendor and
natural colored lights up owned

948
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:33,200
by a fellow named Bob roach who
recently passed?

949
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,000
Yeah, yeah.
I remember.

950
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,600
And Minion.
I knew Bobby.

951
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,400
Yeah.
Did you?

952
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:40,700
Yeah.
Unfortunate.

953
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:48,800
But he heard me that would be
the beginning of 85 and he had

954
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,800
just landed an account for this
Christian rock, group called

955
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,000
Petra huh?
That was huge the original

956
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,600
Christian rock group really?
Yeah well I think scriber came

957
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,300
out maybe a year or two the same
time but yeah I just was I mean

958
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,900
they leaned into the Christian
side a little more than striper.

959
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,300
Didn't really hide the fact that
they were a Christian rock band

960
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:14,500
but they went out as a heavy
metal.

961
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,200
You know Glam band not as a
Christian band whereas Petra was

962
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:28,500
a Christian band so very much so
and so Bob went out and he the

963
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,700
gear that he had up to that
point.

964
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:35,400
I think he had a little bit of
PRP trust had a lot of

965
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:40,900
Television stuff.
And but he went out and bought.

966
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,100
It must have been at least 30
sections of Thomas trust, you

967
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:52,400
know, fully hum double-loaded.
He got voiced, probably two

968
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,700
dozen hoist.
He bought three dimmer acts that

969
01:01:57,700 --> 01:02:04,800
he put on that show.
LM Iraq's color scrollers, which

970
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,500
were the original color map
packs, right?

971
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:14,600
He bought two um 500's which was
the state-of-the-art console at

972
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:22,500
the time or Sith and I mean we
was all these really cool toys

973
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,200
when they hired me, you know, to
whiting direct that show was

974
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,100
going to take it over after
associate is designed it.

975
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,200
I'm like, yeah, I'm on board and
they I was there, the day, they

976
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,300
will those Stresses in the
warehouse and we started

977
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:44,400
building that system.
I mean up I was like a total

978
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:48,800
babe in Toyland you know I mean
this is great for you it's real

979
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,500
gear.
Yeah yeah real gear and so we

980
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:57,600
put that show together, you know
and it's like 350 lights you

981
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,300
know it's big rig.
Some interesting.

982
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,900
The gear we had, I remember we
had a it was the Democrats were

983
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:11,900
DMX which was kind of knew at
that point, right?

984
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,500
And we had a an, a to d
converter shoes will patch you

985
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:22,800
ever remember that?
I don't know, but it would allow

986
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,400
you to soft patch dimmers two
channels on the able board.

987
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:32,600
So you came in with the 90
channels of analog and

988
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,000
outputted.
IMX back to the demo rack.

989
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:45,700
So, and we had three trust
follow spots and we hit the road

990
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:50,800
with all that stuff.
I think we're in for trucks MSI,

991
01:03:50,800 --> 01:04:00,900
sound the bulk of the crew were
born again, Christian texts that

992
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:04,900
okay, the band had picked up,
you know, subsequent Ooh, that.

993
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,600
And here we were, we were
contractors working for the

994
01:04:09,607 --> 01:04:11,300
companies.
The MSI crew.

995
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,200
They were their own thing lights
up.

996
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,100
We were on thing, right?
We weren't it wouldn't expected

997
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:24,400
of us too.
How should I say be born again

998
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,700
or to pray at the beginning of
every show?

999
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:32,700
Well, they did have prayer
meetings after load out, which

1000
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:37,800
was actually quite nuts because
the poor Christian Roadies, they

1001
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,500
never got any sleep, which was
dangerous, because they drove

1002
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:48,500
trucks also.
But so, Because of the churches

1003
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:51,200
and everything we had Wednesdays
and Sundays off.

1004
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,700
Right?
And that would be our days and

1005
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:56,900
basically what the production
manager told us was, look you

1006
01:04:56,900 --> 01:05:01,400
guys.
You secular gais on these days

1007
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,200
off.
Just leave the hotel.

1008
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:07,600
We don't want to see you.
Do your thing, go have your fun,

1009
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:10,500
and then come back and be ready
to work the next morning.

1010
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:16,300
But that's what we did.
And I had Pat Brennan was my

1011
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:23,700
electrician done quite well.
I had Bobby care already and we

1012
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:27,400
had, we have really good times
on Wednesdays and Sundays.

1013
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:32,200
Yeah, I would, yeah, yeah, I
remember a friend of mine.

1014
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:37,500
One of his first tours was he
went out with striper and he was

1015
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:44,200
one of the guys who really early
got into sampling and adding

1016
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,300
like sampled kick drums to the
Dram to make it like just have

1017
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:52,400
that real fat and and clicky
kind of bass drum sound.

1018
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:56,700
And so he got striper into using
these sample drum sounds.

1019
01:05:57,300 --> 01:06:02,000
And so, you know, he was like a
guy that they loved on the tour

1020
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,300
and stuff.
But he was telling me that,

1021
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:07,200
like, at the time, and I can't
remember when this was probably

1022
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,500
late 80s, early 90s.
He was telling me that, you

1023
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:16,300
know, it was very, very strict.
Like, no alcohol, no cursing.

1024
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,500
No girls.
No like no no no no, no nothing,

1025
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:23,600
right?
Yeah, no cussing, no smoking, no

1026
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,800
drinking, no women, nothing.
No fun.

1027
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,700
Oh yeah, no fun.
Yeah, Wednesday and Sunday.

1028
01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:38,400
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it was.
Unfortunately, the tour didn't

1029
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:45,500
do very well because the band
was relying on the churches, the

1030
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:49,400
book The Show, So they weren't
going through regular promoters.

1031
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,200
So if the church is dropping
off, oh yeah, we started out,

1032
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:59,600
you know, selling Seven eight
thousand seats and then it just

1033
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,300
started getting smaller and
smaller.

1034
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:06,800
So bam wanted to put the system
back, kind of redesigned it did

1035
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,000
you know, a stripped-down
version of it and kind of hang

1036
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,600
up held onto it, you know, till
the summer time and eventually

1037
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,900
at one point I'm like, this is
not for me.

1038
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Yeah.
You know, it's just become so

1039
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,600
Troublesome and just not enough
meat on it.

1040
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,200
They the truth.
Yeah.

1041
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,300
So, That would have been the end
of 85.

1042
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:35,200
And I went out, and I did some
television treats for Bob for

1043
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,300
lights up, you know, with pnn
and got exposed to that a little

1044
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:47,500
bit more, right?
And then at the end of 85 Bob

1045
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,900
called me up, I was on the road
thinking Orlando.

1046
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,600
He said, look, I need you to
come on back.

1047
01:07:54,500 --> 01:08:00,700
Because I've got a new door for
you and I said, well who's it

1048
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:02,300
with?
And he goes The Judds.

1049
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:08,700
I didn't know who they were.
He had no idea that's so came

1050
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:14,900
back and it was a Kenny G.
Steve Cohen design which was

1051
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:18,000
really cool.
And interesting had like

1052
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,800
everything was based around this
kind of quarter pie shape.

1053
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:28,899
We had pods with Par 46 ACLS and
them clustered.

1054
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:35,399
For those, we had rollers a lot
of soft goods.

1055
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:40,399
A pink carpet is all really soft
and feminine but it look just

1056
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:43,399
gorgeous really good-looking
show.

1057
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:47,000
But we had a lot of we had to
fabricate in the shop, you know,

1058
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,100
the custom pods and stuff like
that.

1059
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:55,899
And You know, once we got him to
rehearsal, I think it was about

1060
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:58,500
the time I got on the bus to go.
Do the first tour.

1061
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,300
I finally ask.
Okay, what's my deal there?

1062
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,000
And they said oh you just got
hired by the band's management

1063
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,300
you're on salary.
Oh yeah.

1064
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,000
So you're already working and
you hadn't worked out a deal.

1065
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,600
Yeah, you didn't know what
you're gonna be, okay.

1066
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:20,000
You 12 little too much, huh?
Yeah again important.

1067
01:09:20,899 --> 01:09:22,399
Yeah.
I get it.

1068
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:27,500
But I mean, ultimately, I know
those, those kind of deals are

1069
01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:32,600
still out there for the very
first, the top-level guys, you

1070
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,800
know, get retainers to get full
salary year round.

1071
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,300
They're just hard to come by and
I wrote I wrote that for 11

1072
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:42,700
years.
Wow, yeah.

1073
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:45,200
That's beautiful.
Yeah.

1074
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,399
So what was what what what you
were LD or director?

1075
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,000
I was 12.
So you kind of start to see a

1076
01:09:54,008 --> 01:09:57,600
pattern develop here, right?
You see where the band will

1077
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:02,200
bring in a designer right
designers show, maybe Q, it

1078
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,100
maybe not even cute or whatever
and off the design to a lighting

1079
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:08,300
director, that was my role,
right?

1080
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:14,100
So I think by the time I took
the over that first judge

1081
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:19,600
design, I've kind of had it
ingrained in me as my job was to

1082
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,500
replicate that design.
Sign as closely as possible

1083
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,000
every night, right?
That's what I was there for, you

1084
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,700
know, and if it meant using
other gear or whatever because

1085
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:36,600
we couldn't use our gear, it was
incumbent on me to find a way to

1086
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,100
recreate that.
Look a little back to that,

1087
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,200
right, right.
So, you know, everyone

1088
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,000
swallowed, I would bad a new
song.

1089
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,700
Obviously, you got to got to do
something to make it.

1090
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,400
To have a look.
So, you know, that, we're

1091
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,200
designing of song or whatever.
Yeah.

1092
01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:04,200
So, you know it I guess you
could look at it as taking a

1093
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,200
backseat, But ultimately, you're
out there doing a job here,

1094
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:13,400
working with the audit artist
your, you know, what the crowd

1095
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,900
is seeing, you know, with the
product that you've reproduced.

1096
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:19,000
Yeah.
You know, every day, the way

1097
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,500
this industry Works to is, you
know, the moment that you go in

1098
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:28,200
and chop, the designers legs
out, you know, no, you don't do

1099
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,000
that.
You've created and he won't for

1100
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,600
life.
At that point, right?

1101
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,000
Totally.
And there's a very recent story

1102
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,700
that I'm quite aware of that I
won't share with you right now.

1103
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:41,000
But yeah I mean it's you know if
you're there to support the

1104
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,400
designer you don't go in there
and say, Hey, you know, you

1105
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,100
could get rid of this guy and
I'll do it for you for half as

1106
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:50,500
much money and yeah, no, no, no,
don't do that.

1107
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:52,700
That is the sensible thing.
You know what I mean?

1108
01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:55,300
Like in many of these
situations, you don't need a

1109
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:59,400
designer and a director
necessarily but and the director

1110
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,600
half the time is As talented as
the designer, if not more.

1111
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,100
So totally, but totally.
But yeah, but I mean, it's a

1112
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,100
symbiotic, relationship, you
know, and it's a respect thing,

1113
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:12,400
right?
So, yeah, absolutely.

1114
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:15,000
Yeah.
So, yeah, you know, I thought

1115
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,700
that that design was so unusual.
Interesting and cool that I

1116
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:24,800
really wanted to use it as much
as possible.

1117
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,500
Unfortunately, the contracts
that those, that their

1118
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:32,600
management and Sighing initially
early in their career were

1119
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,200
catching up and they were all
buyer provide fed system sat in

1120
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,500
the truck three-quarters of the
time.

1121
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,900
And unfortunately, that really
hurt lights up because they had

1122
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:48,700
cut a deal where they only got
paid when we use the system boy.

1123
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:53,600
That's a terrible deal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is out of

1124
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,300
our shop.
We can't use it on anything else

1125
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,000
but we only get paid if, you
know, in the audience Chance

1126
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,600
that the venue hasn't provided
boy, what a lousy deal.

1127
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,800
And I frankly our production
manager wouldn't help in either

1128
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,200
because just because he didn't
want to have to deal with it.

1129
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:21,100
Yeah, so yeah, we we that first
year 86, you know, it got used,

1130
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:24,800
rarely 87.
We changed it up a little Kenny

1131
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,000
G.
Canaan in town, with change.

1132
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,700
Some color went from paint, the
like some Purple or whatever.

1133
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,500
And but it was more the same.
We're hardly ever used in the

1134
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:42,700
system and it was at the
two-thirds of the way through

1135
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:46,300
that tour, that lights up
holding.

1136
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:50,300
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess,
yeah, yeah.

1137
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:53,900
Unfortunately Bob God, Rest Your
Soul, you did a shitty deal

1138
01:13:53,900 --> 01:14:00,500
Jesus but uh, But what here's
here's the really interesting

1139
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:04,600
thing, you know, a lot of that,
that equipment that he acquired

1140
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,100
bought, you know, not only for
Petra before the judge later.

1141
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,500
All kind of came through the
Bandit way Thomas and Bandit and

1142
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:13,400
all that.
Yeah.

1143
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,900
Well, guess who ended up with
the system in the company?

1144
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:21,800
Who, and it lights?
I Really they literally came out

1145
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:28,500
And Recent research, stencil the
cases from lights up abandoned

1146
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:31,700
mines.
I kept the same Tech which by

1147
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:35,400
that time was Donnie Lockridge.
It's just great.

1148
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,200
It was no change.
It was just a different company.

1149
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,100
So and so, they established a
relationship with the Jabs at

1150
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:47,900
that time, went quite well for a
pretty long time.

1151
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:52,600
So you are on payroll with The
Judds, for 11 years, you got Two

1152
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,500
regular paycheck every month.
Whether they toured or not, they

1153
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:58,100
probably toward most of the
time.

1154
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,000
Yep.
Now that being said, was it

1155
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,600
comparable to what a freelance
guy would get?

1156
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:11,800
Ya freelance LD at the time,
maybe what 2,500 bucks a week or

1157
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,500
so I've been at the top tier.
No yeah but it was a solid check

1158
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:20,100
and he came every week.
Yeah well yeah you don't have to

1159
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:23,100
go out and hunt for four gigs of
Time.

1160
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:26,700
And yeah, yeah.
I mean, a lot of those gigs went

1161
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:29,800
away.
If they still existed, they went

1162
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,400
away during covid, you know.
Like, oh yeah, bands were just

1163
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,600
like I'm out.
You know, they were tagging out

1164
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,000
those deals real quick, a few of
them, like, I've heard of some

1165
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,100
really good situations where
folks got paid all the way

1166
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:48,000
through covid but not that many.
So so at what go?

1167
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,000
Oh I'm sorry go on oh you're
right, go ahead.

1168
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,800
No, so I'm I mean there's a lot
that happened in between there

1169
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,700
and and and starting key light
and I want to get into key

1170
01:15:59,700 --> 01:16:01,500
light.
Oh, okay sure.

1171
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:05,200
But what, what are we missing
between the mid-80s and and key

1172
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,900
light because I think that was
around what two thousand two or

1173
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:14,000
three or something.
Yeah, yeah well it's just judge

1174
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:19,200
a couple of different designs
with, you know, I think candy

1175
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,800
gram came back a couple of
times.

1176
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:27,900
Designed with them.
A couple of times we transition

1177
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:35,200
into moving lives and part of
that was, we would when we went

1178
01:16:35,208 --> 01:16:40,500
to the casinos to get a little
more bang for the buck, we'd

1179
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:44,500
bring in a moving light system
and really at the time, very

1180
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:49,300
light and and Orpheus, we're
pretty much comparable and cost

1181
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:52,300
and equipment was pretty
comparable, you know, Pasquale.

1182
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:59,300
Up to versus a v01 or what have
you, but what kind of push the

1183
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:02,200
very light?
Way was a trucking actually, as

1184
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,600
most of the keynote casinos, it
was cheaper to truck it from

1185
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,800
Dallas than it was from the bay
area.

1186
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:17,300
So I actually starting at that
time this have been like 88 I

1187
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:21,400
started to get in training.
On very light equipment.

1188
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:24,900
I was one, I was told I was one
of the first ld's to actually

1189
01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:28,600
run the v01 board because you
know, in the beginning, only

1190
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,000
their guys are in that board.
Yeah, well we were so cheap, you

1191
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,300
know, our management said we'll
use the system but you got to

1192
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:40,800
let it home on run it.
So they trained me on that and

1193
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:50,100
Let's see that went.
Well, we transition to Artisan

1194
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,600
and later model l2s.
They hard?

1195
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:57,200
Peter Morris become InDesign.
One year.

1196
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:02,800
I think that would have been 89,
which was a blast I loved

1197
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,800
working with Peter.
I still like, he's just such a

1198
01:18:06,808 --> 01:18:10,100
great great and he's never going
to come kick.

1199
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,900
You off the board and say, let
me take over.

1200
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,400
I'm going to show you what I
need.

1201
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:19,000
You don't know how to turn the
boat on, but I've learned so

1202
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,400
much working from Peter on his
methodology on how to break down

1203
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,600
music and what to call the
pieces because I had no idea.

1204
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:32,000
Yeah, this is a tag, this is,
you know, whatever.

1205
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:35,900
Yeah, you know.
So all that was just a huge

1206
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,200
learning experience for me and
something else I'll never

1207
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:45,300
forget.
So, That led up to you know

1208
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:54,200
Naomi's illness with hepatitis.
We went out to do the farewell

1209
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,800
tour which actually lasted about
two years.

1210
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:02,700
During that time without a
couple of videos, one of which

1211
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:05,800
Alan Branton was involved in and
that's where I met Alan.

1212
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,500
So talk about done some stuff,
huh?

1213
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,100
Yeah.
When it came time to do the

1214
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:22,100
final show in Murfreesboro
Allen, Brandon came in, brought

1215
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:26,200
his team kept me on the
conventional board right for the

1216
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,200
last show.
So big set, we added a ton more

1217
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:35,000
Bearer light and you know that
was a great experience for me

1218
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,500
super emotional, nobody knew
what was going to happen after

1219
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:40,000
that with Wynonna and
everything.

1220
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,000
The whole crew speaking out.
Yeah.

1221
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,100
You know we don't know if we're
going to all get fired or

1222
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:52,400
whatever so we get through that
at the huge success and You

1223
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,300
know, Alan was super pleased.
I remember talking to him a

1224
01:19:55,300 --> 01:20:01,300
couple days later and then well,
what what's going to happen to

1225
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:03,400
me?
And, you know, and he said,

1226
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:08,900
well, their manager asked me
about you, what, you know, what

1227
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:12,500
your skill set was, and I told
them you were the best in the

1228
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:16,100
business.
So that was a huge and I was

1229
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:17,800
helpful.
Yeah.

1230
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,000
So we kept our jobs.
We rolled into Wynonna.

1231
01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:26,800
One designed her debut tour.
Of course I operated it

1232
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:32,200
following.
That was the black and white or

1233
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,900
which combination of black and
Wynonna, right?

1234
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:40,700
Peter Moores design, Mike's,
Winterset, huge system.

1235
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:47,000
OB system would tell us cans and
Vera life scrollers and just

1236
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:56,200
everything you can think of And
that lasted for a year was

1237
01:20:56,900 --> 01:21:03,000
pretty successful and then what
would have followed that would

1238
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,600
have been a sort of a cut down
here because she got pregnant,

1239
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,100
she kept me on salary.
I went and did other stores

1240
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:14,800
while I was on salary with her.
What's the stipulation?

1241
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:20,600
The stipulation was if she says
jump I got to say how high I got

1242
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,700
to come back and meet We drop
everything.

1243
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,800
I did Little Texas, Tim McGraw
designed for little Texas.

1244
01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:32,400
That was a great tour 96.
I came back.

1245
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,300
She came back, she done having
babies.

1246
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:38,500
We did that a new album
Revelation store.

1247
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:40,900
I designed it finally.
Oh, wow.

1248
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:44,000
And yeah, it's really cool
system.

1249
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,400
We had tracking pods and sixes
and fives Bo fives and sixes.

1250
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:59,100
I used what were the HP?
He's not some are golden golden

1251
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:01,800
tan.
Mike swynford set.

1252
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:09,000
It was a beautiful show and At
the end of that tour.

1253
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,500
We've been struggling to get
health insurance for ever from

1254
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:18,000
her management company and they
just wouldn't do it.

1255
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:24,400
So I cut a deal with very light
and at the end of that tour, I

1256
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:30,100
trained being Spurlock who's one
of my ver like text operate that

1257
01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:34,200
show.
We redesigned the show slightly

1258
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,000
different configuration.
It was quicker or whatever and

1259
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,500
it off the dean and I went to
work Was time.

1260
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:43,900
It very light, really just
because you couldn't get health

1261
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:48,000
insurance Well, it's pretty
important because it was very

1262
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,800
expensive.
Yeah, the time and and the very

1263
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,500
light deal with it hasn't gone
down.

1264
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:55,900
Any now I'll tell you that to
the very light bill was

1265
01:22:55,900 --> 01:22:58,100
comparable to what she was
paying.

1266
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,400
So I it just was a win-win.
Yeah.

1267
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:06,600
And there are some other factors
there had gotten sober and being

1268
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,400
in that mix was probably not
going to help that.

1269
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:14,600
Yeah.
So they're like sent me out on

1270
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,700
Vince, Gill took over design
from Sparky.

1271
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,300
Unfortunately, that didn't last
very long, he came back.

1272
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,700
But that's whenever I started
doing a lot of TV with Alan

1273
01:23:27,700 --> 01:23:32,700
Bratton Peterson all that
violence award show and that's

1274
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:37,400
when my really my exposure to
moving lights and television

1275
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,200
really wants the moving lights.
Yeah, yeah.

1276
01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:44,600
So that was huge.
That's a great opportunity.

1277
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,200
You know.
All those big shows.

1278
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,700
The big award shows with Alan,
if I've been stuck on the road

1279
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:53,000
doing concert touring, I would
have never gotten that exposure

1280
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,300
right to it lighting, somebody's
face.

1281
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,800
Yeah.
That's what that's all about.

1282
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:02,800
Alan will tell you, it's not
about the wide shot, it's about

1283
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:04,100
potential.
Yeah.

1284
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:06,300
That's what that's what do.
You attribute?

1285
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:09,200
Your success in staying
employed.

1286
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,700
You know without big gaps in
between and all that stuff is it

1287
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:17,200
is it like hard work and to now
NASA T is it you know just

1288
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:21,200
always saying yes is it what is
it or is it just a combination

1289
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,700
of all those?
Well I mean I used to think a

1290
01:24:23,708 --> 01:24:27,100
lot of it was just luck and in
the right place the right time

1291
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:28,800
and knowing the right people is
and roll.

1292
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:39,100
Yeah, skill set even within the
lighting realm, there are all

1293
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:41,400
types of disciplines are
lighting, you know, concert

1294
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,000
lighting you got special events.
You got caught.

1295
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,700
Brittany.
Got television and there's some

1296
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:50,300
guys that thought they do.
They all they do is Corporate?

1297
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:51,900
Yes.
All they know how to do.

1298
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:53,000
Yeah.
You know.

1299
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:58,800
So it's having a good mix of all
that.

1300
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,800
Yeah, I think it is really
important and there's a lot of

1301
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,700
these out there that do Swiss
army knife of lighting guys.

1302
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:12,400
Yeah, totally.
So the very light thing went

1303
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,600
well, unfortunately, the
Nashville shop At which, you

1304
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,100
know, it changed into vlps.
Yeah.

1305
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,600
Right.
Virtuoso came out which I

1306
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:27,500
actually was part of the demo
team for a while demonstrating

1307
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:30,100
the virtuoso DX.
Great board.

1308
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,300
Did some tours with Mary Chapin
Carpenter on the virtuoso DX,

1309
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:39,400
some of them were a land-grant
institutions Ein last year was

1310
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:45,700
my design and then at one point,
probably Lee.

1311
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:54,600
Been 2000.
Maybe very light decided to take

1312
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:59,800
all their Road staff that works
full-time and put them on as

1313
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:04,300
needed basis or contract.
So they basically kind of kicked

1314
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:07,800
us out the door, you know?
Maybe they will, they tell you,

1315
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:09,200
you're going to make more money,
right?

1316
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,500
Yeah, you know.
So, So that's when I form key

1317
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:22,600
light.
And yeah, and my first piece of

1318
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:27,300
equipment was a virtuoso DX that
I bought through Bandit whites

1319
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:32,400
because they were very light
dealer and so kind of limped

1320
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,600
along but that board, you know,
still getting calls from Allen

1321
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,200
and all those guys to go out and
do shows, you know, mainly using

1322
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:46,500
very light beer.
And then I finally got the

1323
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,200
gumption to go out and buy some
lights in the first lines.

1324
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:55,600
I bought from you for Turbo
sybers, that Chaz had put on

1325
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,000
your site.
Oh, really remember that fibers?

1326
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,300
Yeah, I don't fly.
Yeah.

1327
01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:09,600
It was 12 fixtures.
And so that kind of set that in

1328
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,500
motion into the Moonlight world,
that's amazing.

1329
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:19,600
So One thing this is a funny
story and it has a lot to do

1330
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,900
with this.
The sex I had in my small

1331
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:25,500
business, I drove up with this
little crappie jig and the

1332
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:28,100
producer showed up.
It was had his own little

1333
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:30,300
company.
I was sitting outside the arena

1334
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:35,600
and my truck and he pulls up in
this big Hummer this giant

1335
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,600
brand-new Hummer and you know,
George Bush has just done the

1336
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,000
new tax cuts and all this stuff
I guess.

1337
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:45,000
That would have been what?
Early 2000.

1338
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,500
Yeah.
So this guy gets out you know

1339
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:57,300
it's exact hey man I'm all this
and he knows you could have one

1340
01:27:57,300 --> 01:28:02,100
of these too.
George Bush will buy it for you

1341
01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:08,500
and he goes with the new
depreciation schedule.

1342
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,700
You can buy this for business
purposes and write the whole

1343
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:15,900
thing off.
At the end of the year, I'm like

1344
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:21,200
that just doesn't make sense.
So I kind of got the wheels

1345
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:26,700
turning right and Found out for
my tax account.

1346
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:29,500
Yes.
You can do that.

1347
01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:34,800
However, if you ever sell that
truck that's capital gains and

1348
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,500
you'll have to pay taxes on
every bit of that.

1349
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,400
But what it said in motion was
Because of the different

1350
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,500
depreciation levels.
There's three different

1351
01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:48,500
schedules at that time.
I don't know.

1352
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,900
Now, you can play that from year
to year.

1353
01:28:52,900 --> 01:28:56,200
So if I bought another group of
Lights from you that I got 30

1354
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:57,600
Studio colors.
Yeah.

1355
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,600
Paid 50k or whatever.
Yeah.

1356
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,300
Use those lights all year long,
make bunch of rental, money from

1357
01:29:04,300 --> 01:29:09,700
them, right?
I go, I take another

1358
01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:12,800
depreciation schedule, or it
Maps it out over five years or

1359
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,100
whatever.
Then a couple years down the

1360
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:17,600
line.
I stole them.

1361
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:23,100
I can actually sell them at a
loss and come out ahead on my

1362
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:26,100
taxes, that's wild.
Yeah.

1363
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:29,600
And I remember when that was
kind of going crazy, because I

1364
01:29:29,608 --> 01:29:32,500
remember all the guys that were
buying, these Wicked, beautiful,

1365
01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:34,600
trucks and stuff.
Oh, yeah.

1366
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,700
And they were just like Hey, I
gotta do it.

1367
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:42,200
It's free what?
But missing the point I'm trying

1368
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,800
to make is that that served me
really, really well.

1369
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,900
Moving forward.
Yeah, being able to take those

1370
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:51,400
groups of light and use the
depreciation.

1371
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:57,400
Yeah, and I did that really well
until the flood hit.

1372
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,500
Yeah.
And a skill in 2010.

1373
01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:01,900
So what happened?
How did that hit you so bad?

1374
01:30:02,500 --> 01:30:05,700
Well, I had my gear down at the
Mitchell Group.

1375
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:11,100
Which is down on Cowan Street.
Just literally few steps away

1376
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:18,900
from soundcheck and It came up
in the warehouse like 45 feet

1377
01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:22,700
high and I had just about all my
gear was in there and at the

1378
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:31,000
time I think I had 60 60 heads.
I had consoles.

1379
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:37,200
The only Council a lot was a
ma-1 light for that was 35 K

1380
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,800
right there.
I knew I'd get you one for about

1381
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,000
1,000 bucks now.
Maybe less.

1382
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:48,100
But Yeah, I'm pretty much lost
everything.

1383
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:53,600
Now, the good news out of all
that was So that's 2010.

1384
01:30:53,700 --> 01:31:00,000
Iams insured, at least.
It was but excluded for flood.

1385
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,400
So when I called the insurance
agent up, right?

1386
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:07,600
It was Hartford.
I said, okay, you know, this has

1387
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,000
happened.
What am I going to get out of

1388
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,900
this?
And he goes, he actually went

1389
01:31:11,900 --> 01:31:14,400
down there to look at the stuff
and then we talked and he said,

1390
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:17,300
well unfortunately, you're
excluded for flood.

1391
01:31:17,300 --> 01:31:22,800
I'm like If I'm not going to get
coverage for flood, what do I

1392
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:28,200
get coverage for?
He goes all well, sinkholes

1393
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,800
think of us up on you?
Yeah, there you go.

1394
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:40,400
Oh my God, nothing out of
insurance for that and you have

1395
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,800
virtually 100% loss.
Yeah, yeah.

1396
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:49,700
Only the only piece of equipment
that was out on tour was a Ma-1

1397
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:52,900
full-size that was what 50,000
dollar board.

1398
01:31:52,900 --> 01:31:57,600
Yeah.
And The rest of the gear, I

1399
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:02,200
brought it over my house.
I rented a shipping container

1400
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,500
and put it in there and started
working on it trying to salvage.

1401
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:09,900
It it was just awful but was
going to say was a good news.

1402
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:16,000
Was I was Full-time, CMP, they
hired me in 2008 and Studio

1403
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:21,200
lighting designer, okay?
And so that business was kind of

1404
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:26,100
a side business at that point
and my house wasn't flooded.

1405
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:31,200
I had a full-time job.
So in that regard, I was

1406
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,600
fortunate because a lot of
people didn't have that.

1407
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,600
Yeah, you know a lot of people
lost everything period.

1408
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:41,000
Yeah, I was brutal time.
No good.

1409
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:44,900
Buddy of mine.
How Mandy, you know him I do he

1410
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:50,800
bought had some bl3 case spots
and he actually took those eight

1411
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,400
lives and strip them down.
Completely replaced.

1412
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,000
All the steppers and made good
money off of them.

1413
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,200
For next 10 years, you want to
hear a quick crazy story.

1414
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:09,500
So when Hurricane Katrina hit,
you know, New Orleans and and

1415
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:15,700
Biloxi and all that stuff, We
got a call about six months

1416
01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:21,500
after Katrina, from a salver,
and the salver had taken over

1417
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:27,900
The Grand Biloxi casino, and
they had the insurance had just

1418
01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:30,200
settled and everything.
But the stuff had been sitting

1419
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:36,200
exposed in The Grand Biloxi
casino in Biloxi and so, like a

1420
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,800
whole wall was gone out of the
place and it was just the Gulf

1421
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:44,700
of Mexico right there, you know.
Oh and and so between actual

1422
01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:49,200
water coming into the venue and
just exposed to Salt Air and all

1423
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,700
that stuff.
It was it was a bad situation.

1424
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:55,500
So they called us and said look,
here's the situation, you know,

1425
01:33:55,500 --> 01:34:00,300
come and see what you can see
will give you 24 hours or will

1426
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:04,400
give you a day of Daylight to
come in and take whatever you

1427
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,500
want to take out of there.
Give me a price and so we worked

1428
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:13,600
out a number and it was as I
recall it was probably 30 VL

1429
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:19,300
3000's, maybe twenty four
washes, a v dusk sound system.

1430
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:23,600
All the amp racks consoles, some
follow spots.

1431
01:34:23,900 --> 01:34:26,900
It was a lot of gear.
It was quite a bit of gear and

1432
01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:32,300
so you know we we had this this
side business that did these

1433
01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:35,900
types of liquidations cleaned
the gear up and then would put

1434
01:34:35,900 --> 01:34:38,300
it up for sale on gear Source
this stuff.

1435
01:34:38,300 --> 01:34:40,000
We had no idea what we were
getting into.

1436
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,600
You couldn't plug in anything
and see if it I worked or

1437
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,800
anything, right?
It was just it had literally

1438
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:49,600
been sitting six months exposed
and so we bring it all back to

1439
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,700
South Florida and I get a call
from David million.

1440
01:34:54,700 --> 01:34:56,700
He says, you got any vol 3
thousands?

1441
01:34:56,900 --> 01:34:59,000
And I said, no, and I go wait a
second.

1442
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,400
Actually I have like, you know,
48 fixtures or whatever washes

1443
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,900
in spots that just came out of
the Grand Biloxi.

1444
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,200
We haven't even tested anything
yet and he said, well, do me a

1445
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,900
favor just like plug-in like
Eight of them and tell me if

1446
01:35:12,900 --> 01:35:16,700
they turn on or not and we plug
in the first eight and I think

1447
01:35:16,700 --> 01:35:20,700
all eight of them turned on.
Yeah, and he goes, okay, I'll

1448
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:23,500
take them from you for x amount
of dollars per light.

1449
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,500
And I don't remember, I think at
the time vol 3 thousands were

1450
01:35:27,500 --> 01:35:30,200
the hottest thing and they were
selling for like 6 grand on the

1451
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,800
used Market or 6500, BTUs
Market, I think I sold them to

1452
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:38,100
him for 2,000 or 2,500 or
something, but he had to take

1453
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:41,700
them all.
So he took all of them he used

1454
01:35:41,700 --> 01:35:44,000
out.
Of the call it 48 fixtures.

1455
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:46,600
He used like 40 on a gig that
weekend.

1456
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,900
Wow.
And so he used these for like a

1457
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:53,400
year and then resold them on
gear source for like, you know

1458
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,200
thirty five hundred or thousand
bucks each or something, right?

1459
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,600
Yeah.
Because by then, he had

1460
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,800
replaced, any Rusty screws or
Rusty parts, or separate or

1461
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,300
whatever it was.
But I mean it was just a crazy

1462
01:36:04,300 --> 01:36:08,100
story like I the V task system
sold within a couple weeks and

1463
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:13,900
it's sold to Claire Wing.
I think it was like 175 Grand or

1464
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:16,400
something for like a three
hundred thousand three hundred

1465
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,800
fifty thousand dollar.
Vetoes Greg, everything worked

1466
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,800
perfectly, none of the speakers
were blown or anything it was

1467
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:24,300
pretty cool.
I mean it was wildly.

1468
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:28,800
What I went through I went I
heard stories that down at the

1469
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:33,900
opera house, they had mostly
very light system and they were

1470
01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:37,500
taking down instruments that
were up, you know, the Opera

1471
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:41,800
House, the stage, the water came
up to about the stage level.

1472
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:46,000
And I believe his what I saw and
pictures do anything, that was

1473
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,500
on the floor, whatever got
saturated.

1474
01:36:48,500 --> 01:36:51,700
However, they had all this
equipment up in the air, they

1475
01:36:51,700 --> 01:36:54,900
literally went in there and took
those instruments down and threw

1476
01:36:54,900 --> 01:36:59,000
them in dumpsters.
Yeah.

1477
01:36:59,900 --> 01:37:03,600
Wow that's crazy.
Yeah I didn't give anybody a

1478
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,600
chance to.
I think there was this big

1479
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,800
concern about the because that
flood you know, was the

1480
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,200
Cumberland and all the effluent
that's in the Cumberland and

1481
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:20,000
believe me, the mud and stuff I
found in my lights, it was bad

1482
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,500
stuff and stuff.
Did you get your stuff working?

1483
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,200
I like I said, how did I mean
myself?

1484
01:37:28,500 --> 01:37:33,600
And just got to the point Marcel
were, I would work a full shift

1485
01:37:33,700 --> 01:37:36,400
down at the studio, and come
back home and work on moving

1486
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,000
lights for 45 hours after about
a week of that.

1487
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,700
That's it.
I can't live like this, I can't

1488
01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:42,600
do it.
Yeah.

1489
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,500
So you know I sold some other
lives to some other guys for

1490
01:37:46,500 --> 01:37:49,000
pennies on the dollar and yeah,
just got rid of that.

1491
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,900
This one worth it.
I did.

1492
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:53,700
I limped along like that a
little bit, I bought some more.

1493
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,900
Fixtures from freed some
Malaysian spots.

1494
01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:04,400
Yeah and I've tried to run them
through through CMT but their

1495
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,100
production was doing much.
So eventually it just got to the

1496
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:13,200
point where kind of sold
everything off and, you know, I

1497
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,500
could still use the name of the
business of doing my contract

1498
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:20,300
work, but even that after a
while carrying the insurance and

1499
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:22,900
then all the taxes associated
with small business.

1500
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,300
Yeah, it's not With it, it's not
worth it.

1501
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,700
You know.
So you just cry can just yeah,

1502
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:31,300
with turned it off.
Didn't you end up at Morris at

1503
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:32,800
some point?
I did.

1504
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:37,600
I did 2019.
I work there all year.

1505
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:43,300
Ahead of lighting department, it
was super intense.

1506
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:48,500
We had some major clients Kenny
Chesney Old Dominion, Florida.

1507
01:38:48,500 --> 01:38:51,700
Georgia Line.
All those are 300-400 light

1508
01:38:51,700 --> 01:38:56,700
system.
Yeah, we Sent out BTS that year

1509
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:03,900
or six shows around the world.
It was like 600 like system.

1510
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:10,700
So you know I was managing at
one point I counted up all the

1511
01:39:10,700 --> 01:39:18,300
freelance and staff and permit
Lance workers I was were like 60

1512
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:20,000
or reporting to me.
Wow.

1513
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:26,100
And so, The only way I could
make my way through that Marcel

1514
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:30,300
was you know fortunately I had
the background of running my own

1515
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:35,400
small business but the whole
managing Personnel like that.

1516
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,000
It's that's a lot.
Yeah.

1517
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,900
So well you've been there.
Yeah.

1518
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:41,500
I mean what's the most
employees?

1519
01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:46,300
You've had under your well I've
had a couple of companies but at

1520
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:50,300
the same time maybe 50.
Yeah.

1521
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,700
Just in gear Source.
I think we got up to about 20.

1522
01:39:53,900 --> 01:39:55,200
T.
At one point.

1523
01:39:56,100 --> 01:40:00,300
We're at about 14 right now
because we run a different ship

1524
01:40:00,300 --> 01:40:02,100
now.
So it we don't need quite as

1525
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:06,700
many people but right.
But yeah, it's it's tough.

1526
01:40:06,700 --> 01:40:09,700
I mean, everyone thinks you're a
business owner, hon.

1527
01:40:09,700 --> 01:40:14,100
You got it may do you know, you
work twice as hard as anybody

1528
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:17,000
else to, usually make half as
much as anybody else.

1529
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:21,100
You get all the stress hardly
any of the, the joy.

1530
01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:23,800
And yeah, I mean, I'm not
complaining.

1531
01:40:23,900 --> 01:40:26,000
Planing because it's all I know
how to do anymore.

1532
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:30,200
I don't know that I could be an
employee anymore, but you know,

1533
01:40:30,500 --> 01:40:34,000
it's certainly not as glamorous
as it appears, you know.

1534
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:36,600
It's a lot of hard work and
stuff.

1535
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:41,500
You know, we had the best year
that come in ever had at the end

1536
01:40:41,500 --> 01:40:44,700
of 2019.
We were prepping, Kenny Chesney

1537
01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:50,100
to go out yet again, when covid
hit and it just kind of turned

1538
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:53,200
into.
Dumping, you know, with all the

1539
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:56,400
zoom calls, you know, with no
business.

1540
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,300
Yeah, I mean, you know what I
mean?

1541
01:40:58,300 --> 01:41:05,000
It's just got to be Surprisingly
more stressful to deal with than

1542
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,800
actually being in the shop.
Yeah, it went weird.

1543
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,900
They're like yeah, I bore they
sold to so low-tech.

1544
01:41:11,900 --> 01:41:15,700
It went weird and and, you know,
they were like I remember we got

1545
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:17,900
a call from them and they said,
we want to sell I don't

1546
01:41:17,900 --> 01:41:20,300
remember.
I think it was like 400 clay

1547
01:41:20,300 --> 01:41:23,400
Paki.
I forget which fixture.

1548
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:27,600
It was Meet those me.
So see ya at a price that was

1549
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,500
like, 40% below the market price
and we went.

1550
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:35,100
Those will sell pretty quick and
they did, we were selling them

1551
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:37,800
as fast as they would let us
sell them.

1552
01:41:38,900 --> 01:41:42,900
And, and then all of a sudden,
you know, I started hearing

1553
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:46,300
rumors about so low Tech coming
in and then, you know, we got a

1554
01:41:46,308 --> 01:41:49,100
call saying, hey guys, we don't
want to sell anything else, you

1555
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:54,000
know, everything's off the
table, so then yeah, it quick.

1556
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:59,300
So I just bailed out and
frankly, I went back The doing

1557
01:41:59,300 --> 01:42:01,500
something.
Totally different than the

1558
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:04,100
lighting.
I did the heavy equipment thing

1559
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:08,700
and it was really hard work.
Yeah, but I was, I was in a cab.

1560
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,000
I myself.
Was that?

1561
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,800
Because of covid was that?
Yeah.

1562
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,800
Because colleges killed our
industry, so you had to Yeah.

1563
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,800
Yeah, well, yeah.
And, and like you say it's

1564
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,300
something I enjoy, you know, I
like running machine but, yeah,

1565
01:42:21,300 --> 01:42:24,400
just a lot of fun.
It's what every kid wants to do

1566
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,100
is drive one of those things
with the big thing in the front

1567
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:31,200
and, you know, Pick up a boulder
bigger than a car.

1568
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,600
There's not many things more
masculine fun than that, right?

1569
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:39,600
You know, you know but in the
meantime, I was still doing

1570
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,500
gigs, you know, and I'd already
developed a really strong

1571
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:47,900
relationship with Tom.
Kenny, why was that CMP we'd

1572
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:51,700
already been doing you know,
artist of the year together and

1573
01:42:51,700 --> 01:42:55,700
Crossroads you know, me working
as a lot of director or gaffer

1574
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:58,500
or whatever implementing his
designs doing.

1575
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,600
His drawings.
So even even through all that

1576
01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:06,200
was, we maintain a good
relationship.

1577
01:43:06,900 --> 01:43:11,600
I would take as much time off as
I can take, you know, and do

1578
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,000
gigs local gigs with them.
Yeah.

1579
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,600
And make nice little lumps of
money, you know, which and and

1580
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,800
plus keep one foot in the
business.

1581
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:25,000
Yeah.
And so you know, and that's kind

1582
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,900
of where I'm at now.
I mean it's interesting Somebody

1583
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:31,100
made the comment.
I thought you were retired.

1584
01:43:31,300 --> 01:43:34,500
No, not really.
I don't know that I'll ever

1585
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:38,800
retire.
Yeah, I'll keep doing this as

1586
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,500
long as I can.
Yeah.

1587
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:43,500
And you know, it's really
enjoyed.

1588
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,600
I was so fortunate.
Last year was my best year ever

1589
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:55,200
as just as for services work.
Yeah, you know, excluding key

1590
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,400
light and rentals and all that.
Yeah, just do engage.

1591
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:00,900
Last year was the best year
ever.

1592
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:03,700
That's fantastic.
I actually designed three

1593
01:44:03,700 --> 01:44:09,000
television shows.
I did the tribute for Naomi

1594
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:13,700
Judd, at the Ryman, another one
for Loretta Lynn at the upper

1595
01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:20,200
house and then kind of a really
full circle experience for me,

1596
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:25,100
we went back to the Murphy
Center and did a another final

1597
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:28,400
show with Wynonna in tribute to
Naomi.

1598
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:32,800
Me.
So the pay-per-view that we did

1599
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,500
what 30 years ago were basically
kind of doing it again.

1600
01:44:36,500 --> 01:44:42,500
So for CMT, with all these guest
artists and designed with pretty

1601
01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:46,000
large rig, I had Fuji their
programming.

1602
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:50,500
Wonderful programming.
Can Hudson was on another board

1603
01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:55,900
and it just, I put everything I
had on the table to get it done

1604
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:57,700
and it turned out really, really
good.

1605
01:44:57,700 --> 01:45:00,200
That's awesome.
It's really cool.

1606
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:03,700
So, you know this year, are you
a heavy equipment guy or a

1607
01:45:03,708 --> 01:45:06,500
lighting guy?
What are you doing?

1608
01:45:06,500 --> 01:45:09,100
A mighty God.
I don't think I'll go back to

1609
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:12,600
that.
I was so worried about getting

1610
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:17,500
hurt out there on those machines
and that's incredible, isn't it?

1611
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,800
Yeah, that's wild.
I mean you've done some

1612
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:22,700
incredible stuff.
It's so cool.

1613
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:26,600
And and I mean the longevity and
the fact that even through covid

1614
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:28,500
you've never really been out of
work, you know?

1615
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:33,600
So that to me, says, a lot like,
you know, the guys that I know

1616
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,400
who are like, for six months,
trying to find a gig or

1617
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,200
whatever.
There's a reason, you know,

1618
01:45:38,300 --> 01:45:41,100
they're sadly, there's no reason
you should probably change

1619
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:43,300
something in the way that you're
doing things, you know.

1620
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:48,100
And one of the one of the themes
that always seems to sort of

1621
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:51,000
thread through everything.
Cosmo was one of the guys who

1622
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:55,400
said it, most of the LDS and
people who come on my podcast,

1623
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,500
say it is, is just say, yes, you
know, that's one of the The one

1624
01:45:59,500 --> 01:46:02,100
of the things that you need to
learn to do is just say yes to

1625
01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:03,700
everything.
And if you don't know how to do

1626
01:46:03,700 --> 01:46:05,800
it, go figure it out quickly,
you know.

1627
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,300
And right, there's there's many
times when you actually have to

1628
01:46:10,308 --> 01:46:18,100
kind of Subjugate or come off of
your vision because the customer

1629
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:21,700
wants something else.
I mean, you know what, I, you

1630
01:46:21,700 --> 01:46:24,700
know, a producer, a director,
you know, even though you've

1631
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:28,900
created something, you think is
stunning and amazing and all

1632
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:32,000
this.
And they have an idea that like,

1633
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,300
who, yeah.
You know, you really don't want

1634
01:46:34,300 --> 01:46:39,100
to do that, sometimes you have
to do it, you know, boss,

1635
01:46:40,500 --> 01:46:45,400
exactly.
Some people seem to forget that,

1636
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,600
you know, you're not the star.
You're not the boss.

1637
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:48,600
They are.
Oh yeah.

1638
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,600
Right.
You're just supposed to make

1639
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,600
them look really good to their
Vision.

1640
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,400
You know, they're the one with
the vision.

1641
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,600
Not necessarily you, unless they
just say, I don't got anything.

1642
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,500
Please tell me what I can do.
Tell me what I need to look

1643
01:46:59,500 --> 01:47:01,200
like, tell me which song to
sing.

1644
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,600
Yeah.
Doesn't happen very often I

1645
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,200
guess.
No, no, yeah.

1646
01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:08,800
So I like to, I like to end each
one of these with this, like go

1647
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,200
to gear.
I'm a gear guy, obviously.

1648
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:15,300
Yeah.
So what if you have to design a

1649
01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:19,000
show right now?
Give me your three pieces of

1650
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:23,600
gear that you got to have for
every show whether it's specific

1651
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:26,100
to manufacturer.
So, let's do that.

1652
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,900
Okay.
So because I'm television guy,

1653
01:47:29,900 --> 01:47:31,400
we're going to start with the
key light.

1654
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:40,200
And right now, I think.
For the long throw applications.

1655
01:47:42,900 --> 01:47:48,700
It's got to be the new Row.
V Forte is a stunning light.

1656
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:52,100
Yes, really good.
I mean right behind it.

1657
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:54,400
My second choice is a proteus
Maxima.

1658
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,700
I mean they're both great
choices, they're both really

1659
01:47:58,700 --> 01:48:03,200
really, really really are.
Yeah and then as far as a

1660
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:09,600
backlight, Same thing in a
longer Pro application, usually

1661
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,500
don't need the Firepower that
you need from your key lines.

1662
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:18,500
Although Fork again is a good
pic but if it's a shorter throw

1663
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:26,300
application, I would use the
Spree or feel 2600, you know,

1664
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,000
both to those are really good
lives that's in the profile.

1665
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,100
Is, that's really where my realm
is.

1666
01:48:33,100 --> 01:48:36,500
Whenever an LD hires me, is the
lighting director on a

1667
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:38,400
television job.
He expects me to light the

1668
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,000
faces, anything that hits the
talent, I'm responsible for

1669
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,600
that.
Yeah, and then, And then, all

1670
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:48,500
the flashy stuff is somebody
else?

1671
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:52,500
Yeah, that's yeah.
You know, but we got our key

1672
01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:54,200
light.
We got our backlight.

1673
01:48:54,900 --> 01:49:02,800
I have to pick a wash fixture
which What do you know what?

1674
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:13,200
I really like the razor. 60, as
just as a wash picture.

1675
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,600
I know it doesn't pixelate like
the other guy.

1676
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:19,900
Did you raise their 760?
Because we do that for a second.

1677
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:22,800
Yeah.
Razor 764 a relation.

1678
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,400
Of course.
Yeah.

1679
01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:28,200
That's not really it.
The field and everything.

1680
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:30,400
It's just it's really nice.
Yeah.

1681
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,900
Oh that's a fantastic fixture.
What about control?

1682
01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:34,900
What do you use them for a
console?

1683
01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:36,800
These days.
Stone grinding.

1684
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:41,700
Make three and ma2 mode.
I haven't totally taken the leap

1685
01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:47,600
into M83 mode yet.
I will eventually.

1686
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,100
Yeah it's just learning a lot of
its or right.

1687
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:55,300
Yeah it's tough to tell you
wouldn't believe how many boards

1688
01:49:55,300 --> 01:49:58,000
I've read?
Ya know, I would believe it, I

1689
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,200
would believe it, but you gotta
do it right?

1690
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:04,200
I mean it's like yeah you have
to I was doing my half-hour on

1691
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:08,000
Facebook this morning at some
point and I saw some LD who's

1692
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,100
out on shows somewhere in Europe
right now or something.

1693
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:12,500
And he goes.
Hey everyone.

1694
01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:16,700
Quick who can tell me how to
learn a Cam sis board really

1695
01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:18,600
quickly.
What's the best way to dive into

1696
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,500
a camps as board?
I've got a gig like next week or

1697
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:25,700
whatever and I need to know how
to run that board and yeah.

1698
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,800
I mean it's crazy but it is, I
mean, you gotta like I said, say

1699
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,000
yes right?
And then go figure it out with a

1700
01:50:32,008 --> 01:50:33,200
board.
It's a little tougher.

1701
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:37,500
I mean, well, I was spoiled
because in on the very light

1702
01:50:37,500 --> 01:50:40,900
consoles, we had the training
and they sent you down for two

1703
01:50:40,900 --> 01:50:43,600
or three days.
Yeah, and then you took a test

1704
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,900
at the end they took, Played a
song say okay.

1705
01:50:46,900 --> 01:50:49,900
You design a show.
Yeah, with this console, but we

1706
01:50:49,900 --> 01:50:53,600
want you to do this this and
this we won't use macros and you

1707
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:55,300
want to use effects here.
Yeah.

1708
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,500
And you had all that laid out in
front of you and you've got to

1709
01:50:58,500 --> 01:51:01,800
step up to the plate, you know,
and they would rate, that's a

1710
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,500
pretty luxurious way to learn.
You know, you're getting paid

1711
01:51:04,500 --> 01:51:06,700
for it and you're in a nice shop
and all that stuff.

1712
01:51:06,700 --> 01:51:10,300
Like a lot of guys, I know they
borrow a console for two or

1713
01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:14,200
three days from a shop and they
just dive into it for 18 hours a

1714
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:15,200
day.
Yeah.

1715
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:20,000
And that's all yeah, I'm with
the offline visualizers.

1716
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,700
It's yeah, it's doable.
Yeah.

1717
01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:25,900
But having an instructor there
to walk you through each and

1718
01:51:25,900 --> 01:51:28,800
every element of the console.
Yeah.

1719
01:51:28,900 --> 01:51:32,500
I mean now with a like a grand
in May that would be like a week

1720
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,400
because it does so much so much.
Yeah.

1721
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:39,700
And and then beyond that to
retain, all that information to

1722
01:51:39,700 --> 01:51:45,500
take it with you and do a job is
that in itself is Turtle.

1723
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:50,200
Yeah, because if you aren't
doing job after job after job on

1724
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,300
that platform, you're going to
lose.

1725
01:51:52,300 --> 01:51:54,100
You're not going to retain all
that information.

1726
01:51:54,100 --> 01:51:56,000
Yeah.
Muscle memory and all that

1727
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,500
stuff.
Yeah, yeah.

1728
01:51:57,500 --> 01:52:00,700
I mean, that's, you know, I
talked to so many designers and

1729
01:52:00,700 --> 01:52:04,100
operators and directors and
stuff about, you know, the

1730
01:52:04,100 --> 01:52:08,800
switch to the ma3 from the ma2.
And to me, I, you know, I'm an

1731
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,700
idiot.
Like, I just think, well, why

1732
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:13,000
wouldn't you just do it.
It's got new stuff in it, right?

1733
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,900
I love new stuff.
Who doesn't love new stuff?

1734
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,200
Tough.
But the thing is like, I'm used

1735
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,400
to all the buttons where they
are.

1736
01:52:19,700 --> 01:52:25,400
I'm used to certain tactile oil
and all of those tips and you're

1737
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:29,500
moving so fast.
It's all like right from muscle

1738
01:52:29,500 --> 01:52:31,300
memory, right?
And now all of a sudden it's a

1739
01:52:31,308 --> 01:52:34,400
different syntax.
It's a different, you know, you

1740
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:37,700
press this button twice instead
of once or you got to press this

1741
01:52:37,700 --> 01:52:40,400
one and then this one, instead
of this one and then this one or

1742
01:52:40,407 --> 01:52:44,300
whatever.
And so yeah, I mean that really

1743
01:52:44,300 --> 01:52:47,800
a trip to be A lot like that
made people pissed right off

1744
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:51,200
like the guys pissed, right off,
you guys and girls?

1745
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:55,500
Sorry, I'm not trying to be
sexist, but yeah.

1746
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:59,500
So you know Ma has fought an
uphill battle on that and plus

1747
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:02,700
they got the worst timing in the
world because they launched the

1748
01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:05,600
ma3 and then covid hits, you
know?

1749
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,700
Oh yeah.
So it's not like people could

1750
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:12,200
immediately go out and learn the
thing and use it because they

1751
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:14,900
had a year off or almost two
years in some cases.

1752
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,000
Cases so weird.
Well, the Lucky Guy's.

1753
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,900
It has a board that home that
was our chance to learn it.

1754
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,200
Yeah.
There were a couple of them that

1755
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:27,700
did, you know.
And I've talked to him about

1756
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:31,800
about the whole ma3 thing and
it's a different Beast.

1757
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:37,000
It's so but I will have to learn
eventually if I want to continue

1758
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,700
to run these boards.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's where it

1759
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:43,500
is well and then I know some
guys that are like up there in

1760
01:53:43,500 --> 01:53:47,600
years who are like, Screw it.
You know, I'm not going to learn

1761
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,000
it.
I don't want to learn another

1762
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,800
board right now, that's just
where I'm at, you know, and I

1763
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,400
get it, you know, it's like me
with snowboarding, you know.

1764
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:56,700
I don't want to learn to
snowboard.

1765
01:53:57,100 --> 01:54:00,700
I've been skiing since I was
eight or nine years old, I don't

1766
01:54:00,700 --> 01:54:04,100
feel like, falling down and
hurting myself at this point,

1767
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:07,800
you know, doesn't make sense.
Well, we didn't really get to

1768
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:10,800
touch our know about.
We have to, we got to talk about

1769
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:15,000
Racing for a few other sports.
Yeah, we would be remiss to not.

1770
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:18,000
At least touch on racing because
I know that you're I know you

1771
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,300
love the autocross stuff.
Have you Advanced Beyond

1772
01:54:21,300 --> 01:54:23,300
autocross or do you still do
autocross?

1773
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:28,300
Well, you know, about six seven
years ago.

1774
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:32,000
My wife bought me a package to
the Porsche sports driving

1775
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,500
school barber.
Yeah, for a weekend.

1776
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:39,100
Barber to good Lord.
Yeah, let's let's go.

1777
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:42,100
That's for school at Barber is
unbelievable.

1778
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:45,000
Let's let's drive a 911s.
Yeah.

1779
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:51,400
Or a caiman as or let's get in a
four-door Panamera S and go 130

1780
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:54,200
miles an hour around that track
and do the e-cars to the

1781
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:56,400
electric ones.
Oh yeah, they've got them out

1782
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:00,400
there at the school and, you
know, it was such a cool

1783
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,400
experience.
The you do the skid pad,

1784
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:10,700
heel-toe shifting, launch
control, and a 911 turbo.

1785
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:13,300
That is awesome.
When did you do that?

1786
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:19,400
Oh, it was It's got a been seven
years ago at least and so for

1787
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,800
people who don't know, Barber is
this track.

1788
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:28,000
That's in Alabama, that is
unfreakin believable.

1789
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:33,100
Like the guy who owns it must be
a trillionaire because he has

1790
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:37,700
just, it's like a country club
for racing, but yes, but times

1791
01:55:37,700 --> 01:55:41,800
10, you know, it's like the
landscaping and The Hardscape is

1792
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,100
just on.
It's it's like, you know,

1793
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:46,300
Augusta.
That's sort of what it looks

1794
01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:48,700
like.
You know, it's so beautiful and

1795
01:55:48,700 --> 01:55:52,400
waterfall, you know, Jeremy, my
son the first time he drove

1796
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:57,200
Barber, he goes Dad.
I said what he's like, you know,

1797
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:00,100
I'm driving around the track.
And I'm seeing like waterfalls

1798
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:02,200
and beautiful birds and trees
and stuff.

1799
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:04,100
This place is nice and I'm like
what are you doing?

1800
01:56:04,100 --> 01:56:10,200
Looking at scenery, you know,
knucklehead but we we paid a

1801
01:56:10,208 --> 01:56:14,700
little extra and instructor
that's what we're doing.

1802
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:16,900
We're doing follows on the
track, right?

1803
01:56:16,900 --> 01:56:21,700
The instructors in the GT3 you
know and say I'm in a 911s and

1804
01:56:21,700 --> 01:56:25,300
there's three or four was behind
the instructor instructor you

1805
01:56:25,300 --> 01:56:29,200
know you're following him and
you'll make a couple of laps and

1806
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:31,600
then we'll move you up the next
car behind them.

1807
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,700
Whatever.
And say me said, yeah, this guy

1808
01:56:33,700 --> 01:56:35,400
is in there, he's got one hand
on the wheel.

1809
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:38,600
One hand on the walkie-talkie
because he's watching you in the

1810
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:39,500
mirror.
Yeah.

1811
01:56:39,700 --> 01:56:42,000
Don't don't drive like mr.
Magoo.

1812
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:47,400
Yeah hands you know.
He's going 130 miles an hour

1813
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,800
around the track.
Not even really, even looking at

1814
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:50,800
the track.
Yeah.

1815
01:56:50,900 --> 01:56:57,100
Is he knows it so well and
that's why it's a.

1816
01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:00,400
Did you ever get to break loose?
Or did you always have to do

1817
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:02,500
lead follow?
Yeah, you always have.

1818
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:04,000
Yeah, yeah.
Whoo.

1819
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:04,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

1820
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,200
Those brand-new Porsche has
they're not going to let.

1821
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:10,700
Yeah.
Yeah that's that's sucks though.

1822
01:57:10,700 --> 01:57:14,000
That would have been fun if you
because I mean it's so amazing

1823
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,700
to just go out and drive.
And Lead follow.

1824
01:57:15,700 --> 01:57:18,600
But when you have to figure out
where the lines are and

1825
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,200
everything on your own, and
we're to break and where to

1826
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:24,600
enter and exit the turn and all
that stuff, it's just a

1827
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:28,600
different level.
Well, so it was pretty easy for

1828
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,600
me after doing cuz I'd have been
doing autocross for five or six

1829
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,200
years at least.
And so people who don't know

1830
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:40,600
autocross is what it's
basically, a Time course, and a

1831
01:57:40,608 --> 01:57:47,600
large asphalt area could be a
parking lot or And use pylons or

1832
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:54,100
cones to Define your course, the
courses by scca rules should not

1833
01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:57,400
exceed highway speed, so 70
miles per hour.

1834
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,400
So you're probably never going
to get out of second gear and

1835
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:03,800
it's all time.
That's not wheel the wheel and

1836
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:07,500
the it's broken down into
different classes, so you'll be

1837
01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:12,600
competing against cars in the
same class, the horsepower

1838
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:18,300
handling And then there's
prepared modified.

1839
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:24,200
It's apples for apples, but it
really comes down to drivers

1840
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:28,600
skill and because it's so
precise it comes down to a

1841
01:58:28,608 --> 01:58:33,900
thousandth of a second as far as
your you're standing and it's

1842
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:38,600
relatively inexpensive.
Although some of the guys that

1843
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:44,800
our way into it Ben 10's of 20
of 30, that's 1,000, anything a

1844
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,800
motor sports is like that.
Like you're doing cheap or you

1845
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:52,500
can go crazy, you know, and I
mean, the thing about autocross

1846
01:58:52,500 --> 01:58:55,000
it always turned me off was just
the amount of waiting.

1847
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:58,400
Like you end up waiting in line
forever to get up and get your

1848
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,600
chance to one run.
Run one lap around this, this

1849
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,800
autocross track, did you not so
did you drive an autocross

1850
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,600
course I did and like a mini or
something?

1851
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:12,200
I think it was a mini, like,
literally probably 30 years ago,

1852
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,800
did you not get this huge
Adrenaline Rush right when

1853
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,700
you're leaving the line and
you're thinking about the course

1854
01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:22,700
and everything, You know
probably not.

1855
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,900
No, I don't think so.
That's unfortunate.

1856
01:59:24,900 --> 01:59:28,200
So I did.
Yeah, yeah, no, I know how

1857
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:30,800
people love it.
It just it never appealed to me

1858
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,300
for some reason.
Like the whole one lap thing,

1859
01:59:33,300 --> 01:59:36,700
you know, I need 24 laps just to
get interested, you know, and

1860
01:59:36,700 --> 01:59:39,000
get excited.
And then start really hammer and

1861
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:40,400
when the tires are warm, you
know?

1862
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,300
So the difference for me, a
barber, I thought it was fun.

1863
01:59:44,300 --> 01:59:48,000
And challenging and exciting.
However, I got motion sickness.

1864
01:59:48,900 --> 01:59:53,000
Did you really in the driver's
seat kit was because I do in the

1865
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:54,800
passenger seat, not in the
driver's seat.

1866
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:58,300
I think it was a Contours
because Barbara's got a lot of

1867
01:59:58,300 --> 02:00:01,000
change.
What's the amount of adrenaline

1868
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,900
and and stress and everything
else that you're going to?

1869
02:00:03,900 --> 02:00:06,200
Like I don't want to wreck this
hundred and fifty thousand

1870
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:09,900
dollars.
Yeah did you go to the course

1871
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:11,900
you probably went to the museum
at Barber?

1872
02:00:12,900 --> 02:00:15,300
I didn't have a chance for some
people.

1873
02:00:15,300 --> 02:00:19,200
They kept god, listen to what
are you doing?

1874
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:22,800
Well is one thing after another
if you were not on the road

1875
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,200
course, you were doing the skid
pad or they just kept on taking

1876
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:28,200
out to go back and just go to
that museum.

1877
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,900
It is unreal.
I mean there's like every

1878
02:00:30,900 --> 02:00:34,500
motorcycle that was ever made
like from the very first one,

1879
02:00:34,500 --> 02:00:37,100
which is like a bike with a tiny
little motor on it.

1880
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:40,800
Yeah, you know, they have every
motor the like literally

1881
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:44,400
thousands of staff Act up
motorcycles in this unbelievable

1882
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,800
Museum.
Formula cars being in from the

1883
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,400
ceiling and stuff because they
just got no more room left, you

1884
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:53,400
know.
It's on with the the owner to

1885
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:57,200
motorcycle guy, right?
Yeah, yeah, that's what I heard,

1886
02:00:57,400 --> 02:00:57,800
yeah.
I know.

1887
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:03,500
It's a yeah, you know what else
up by you near Nashville, my son

1888
02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:07,100
went up there for for just some
testing before he was leaving

1889
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:10,000
for England.
A couple years ago, he was going

1890
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:12,100
to England to race in something
called the formula.

1891
02:01:12,300 --> 02:01:16,400
Festival.
And he had never driven in a

1892
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:19,700
Formula Ford before, and so he's
going over to race.

1893
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:23,600
The biggest Formula Ford race in
the world, which is a very

1894
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:27,600
historic fifty-year-old race
that runs once a year and you

1895
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,900
get formula.
You get Formula 1 drivers

1896
02:01:29,900 --> 02:01:31,600
driving in it and stuff.
It's crazy.

1897
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:35,600
It's such a cool race in England
every year, but he was going to

1898
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:38,700
race in that and he'd never
driven in a, he'd never even sat

1899
02:01:38,700 --> 02:01:43,700
in a Formula Ford.
And so, We actually bought a car

1900
02:01:43,700 --> 02:01:47,600
for real cheap, and we went to
do some testing in Tennessee at

1901
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:52,600
a place called pole star.
I think it's called pole star.

1902
02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:55,800
It's like, yeah, you got to look
this place up.

1903
02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:59,100
I'm telling you it's a great
place that you will end up

1904
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:01,500
spending the rest of your
retirement money there.

1905
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:05,100
Yeah, but it's called pole star.
And they have a school there,

1906
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:07,600
where you can race in
open-wheel, cars, or you can

1907
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:11,500
drive in open-wheel cars in a
school and but you're not going

1908
02:02:11,500 --> 02:02:13,100
to lead follow.
You're actually out there

1909
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:17,000
driving the thing.
And, of course, it's a course,

1910
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:20,400
it's a track and it's a crazy
gnarly little the hard to drive

1911
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:24,600
track, it's like a go-kart track
but for open-wheel cars Oh,

1912
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:26,400
okay.
I mean, you can take other cars

1913
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:31,300
out there to like, you know,
because so yeah, I would look

1914
02:02:31,300 --> 02:02:33,600
into that.
Like the people that run it or

1915
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:36,700
really nice people, it seemed
like it was very moderately

1916
02:02:36,700 --> 02:02:39,200
priced and stuff.
It wasn't expensive and you can

1917
02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:43,200
drive their car and go out and
they'll they'll kind of show you

1918
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:45,100
the ropes and then you just go
out and drive it.

1919
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:50,500
And yeah, well I've never been
an open-wheel car.

1920
02:02:50,900 --> 02:02:56,400
You know I'm pretty much stuck.
Duck with the lappa dated

1921
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:02,000
Porsches, mainly from the
eighties, you know, 944s 924.

1922
02:03:02,300 --> 02:03:05,100
Yeah, they're, they're they're
they're great old cars.

1923
02:03:05,300 --> 02:03:09,800
I can buy inexpensive and picks
him up and, you know, either

1924
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:13,500
track them or just keep them on
the street, you know, and pass

1925
02:03:13,500 --> 02:03:17,100
them on to somebody else because
where I find them as in fields

1926
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:20,700
and neglected, and I was like
Farm cars and stuff and then I

1927
02:03:20,700 --> 02:03:22,800
read them up.
And yeah, that's cool.

1928
02:03:23,900 --> 02:03:26,200
Little abandoned puppies to me,
you know?

1929
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:28,400
Well, you know what, that's a
great hobby.

1930
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,500
I've got a friend who does it
with, you know, old Cutlass and

1931
02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:37,100
like the 60s and 70s American
cars and he does very well.

1932
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:42,000
He buys it, he cleans it up a
bit drives it for six months or

1933
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:45,600
a year and then sells it usually
for a fairly handy profit.

1934
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,600
So it does really really well
with them because he knows the

1935
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:51,200
market like he's buying very
specific cars that he knows

1936
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:55,100
everything about so yeah and
That's where I'm at with these,

1937
02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:58,000
I know, know my way around them,
so good.

1938
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,600
Yeah, you know, I can go out
there and just kind of look the

1939
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:04,400
thing over even though it's
covered with dirt and, you know,

1940
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:07,100
my stropping zone, the interior
whatever.

1941
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:08,400
Yeah.
You know, you can kind of, you

1942
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:12,100
can see the signs of a Hidden
Gem.

1943
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:13,600
Yeah in there.
Yeah.

1944
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:15,100
What's it called?
When a great hobby?

1945
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:17,000
I wish I knew how to do any of
that stuff.

1946
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:20,000
But I don't I just need to.
I need to be the guy on the

1947
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:23,600
other end that buys it from a
Han after you've fixed it up.

1948
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:26,800
And Cleaned it and made it nice
and make a nice profit off of

1949
02:04:26,808 --> 02:04:28,500
me.
That's unfortunate.

1950
02:04:28,500 --> 02:04:31,900
You're when you're ready for
report when you're ready for a

1951
02:04:31,900 --> 02:04:33,500
Porsche be.
Come see me?

1952
02:04:33,500 --> 02:04:36,100
Yeah.
I'm not much of a guy.

1953
02:04:36,300 --> 02:04:39,400
I don't know why you could be.
Yeah.

1954
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:41,400
All right, hon.
Will II appreciate you doing

1955
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:43,600
this very much?
It's been fun and humor.

1956
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:48,000
So here in your story and nice
to nice to see you, I haven't

1957
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:52,500
seen you in a hundred years.
So thank thank you for your

1958
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:55,000
support over the years.
You guys did make some really

1959
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:59,500
good deals and supported my
business and, and others, you

1960
02:04:59,500 --> 02:05:01,600
know, Bob Warden, really helped
me.

1961
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:07,500
Yeah, some of the guys that
freed sales, they helped me out.

1962
02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:10,700
You know, I was never a dealer,
but I still able to get that

1963
02:05:10,700 --> 02:05:13,100
pricing.
Yeah, so, you know, that's

1964
02:05:13,100 --> 02:05:15,100
that's that means a lot.
Well, you know what?

1965
02:05:15,100 --> 02:05:18,500
When you're a good, dude, most
people do want to help you and

1966
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:21,800
you're going, you, I actually at
the front end of all of this.

1967
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:25,000
I do a little intro and I
compared you to Bob Harmon, you

1968
02:05:25,008 --> 02:05:27,300
know, because you're just a guy
that's been around the business

1969
02:05:27,300 --> 02:05:29,700
of very long time, you'd never
screw anybody.

1970
02:05:29,700 --> 02:05:33,600
You're a good dude you work hard
and that's you and that's Bob

1971
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:35,300
Harmon and you kind of look
similar to this.

1972
02:05:35,300 --> 02:05:38,600
Oh, ok.
Awesome.

1973
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:40,400
All right hon, thank you very
much, buddy.

1974
02:05:41,100 --> 02:05:42,300
All right.
Have a great day sir.

1975
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:42,900
Bye-bye.