April 21, 2023
#196 - Erik Eastland - President of All Access Staging
Erik has been in the business more than 40 years, starting with Edgar Winter in the 70s, and more recently - the incredible Super Bowl Halftime show. He's a great guy with incredible stories, and although he had to cut this short for a birthday celebration, it was an enjoyable discussion. This episode was brought to you by our friends at .
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On geezers episode number 196,
coming up on 200 here soon, who
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knew.
So, talking to a lot of folks
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who are heading out to Germany,
to Frankfort next week for the
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pro light show, I've talked
about this I think on previous
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episodes great show, love it.
A lot of fun, great City, good
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food, lots of beer, it's fun,
fun show to go to.
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So if you're hearing this before
the show I'm recording it right
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now.
On April 21st, the show is next
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week.
We have gear Source has one of
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our people going to the show
next week.
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It's Sarah, who is our emea
business development, rep over.
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Are in Europe and so Sarah will
be at the show next week if you
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have any desire or need to meet
with Sarah if you know Sarah you
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know she's amazing.
If you don't know her I'm
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telling you she's amazing and
you're going to want to meet
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with her.
So to connect with her, just
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shoot her, an email, Sarah SAR,
aah at gear.
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Source.com and I'm sure, she'll
find time to meet up and grab a
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beer, or whatever.
It is, a water, a coffee,
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whatever wiener schnitzel.
But yeah, Chase Chase down Sarah
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at the show next week.
You'll probably enjoy spending a
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little bit of time with her and
we appreciate it.
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Of course speaking of gear
Source its spring touring season
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and we are busy but I will tell
you we've got some better
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listings these days than we've
had probably for the last.
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I don't know. 24 months maybe 36
months lots of liner a stuff.
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We're about to add a pretty big
listing for a whole huge number
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of La racks L acoustic, a acts
and those things are rare like
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extremely rare.
They're hard to come by.
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They're hard to come by on new
ones.
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They're hard to come by on used
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They sell out instantly as soon
as we get them, they'll fly out
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the door, the price is pretty
good.
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So watch for those, those should
be hitting the site.
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They were supposed to be in
yesterday.
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Maybe today, hopefully by
Monday, I don't know.
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But any moment now those will be
hitting the site.
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There's a rather large number of
those racks and they're going to
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fly out the door, so jump on
that.
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So this gentleman that we're
recording with today is hot on
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the tail of winning a Parnelli
award this year.
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And of course, did that
incredible Super Bowl halftime
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show?
And so, obviously, I'm speaking
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about Eric, Eastland, who is the
president of all All access
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staging and an all-round, super
nice guy.
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And so I'm really, really
excited about bringing Eric on
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today.
So let's go ahead and get him
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on.
Well, hello there, mr.
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Eric, how are you?
I'm good.
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How are you fan flipping,
tastic?
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You know, I was just saying to
you off the air here that you
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look good man.
Thank you.
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Damn, good.
You look younger than me and
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you're a little bit older than
me.
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So I think I got to step it up.
We look better.
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I want to get on my bicycles.
Yeah.
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You do a lot of biking.
Right?
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I do.
I do like a lot lot.
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Yeah.
My biggest achievement cycling
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was Two years in a row.
I did Seattle to Portland.
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It's called the STP but it's 200
miles.
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And the first year I did 165 the
first day and then finished up
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the next the next year I did the
whole thing and by the time your
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ride to the race and ride home,
it was 211 miles in one day and
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I was 15 and a half hours on the
street.
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That was, I mean, it's a great
feeling and there's a lot of
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adrenaline going but I'll tell
you what, that last Like 50
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miles is like you're dragging 15
dead animals behind you and
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that's one of those like, no,
wait road bikes right with the
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carbon wheels and all that
stuff?
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Yeah, like a monster.
Do you have that?
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Yeah, you know the thing is like
I don't know if you know a guy
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named Peter Moore.
Morris or more, more more.
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I'm not sure he works for Roby.
Now he worked for Martin for a
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long time, but he's a big road
biker down here in Florida and
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he brought his bike to my house
one time.
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And he goes here, try try try
it.
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Honestly.
Like I felt like that seat was
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going to need to be surgically
removed from my ears.
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Like you gotta get used to
enforce it on that thing for two
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hundred miles.
You just, you know, you got it
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that's before you do that event.
They tell you, you know, you
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have to get at least 100 miles
under your belt.
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Just so your body is ready for
this.
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Yeah, yeah, part of it is just
building, Calais it right there.
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Yeah.
And even if you do that, you're
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walking funny for the next week,
it's unreal.
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I mean, why does that seed have
to be like that?
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Is it just wait?
No.
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It's it's a matter of, you know,
leg movement instead of this,
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but I want one of those cushy
seats with the Springs under it.
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You know, one of the big That
one's that that like old ladies
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drive on on those three wheel
bikes.
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That's what I want.
Yeah, I've been riding bikes
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since I was a little kid and I
got serious.
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Really serious about it?
When we moved to bend or again?
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That's where we live now.
I thought back in 04 and I know
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a lot of pros and I put on an
event up there.
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So I just got to get with people
that were pulling me up to the
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next level.
Yeah.
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And they're super fast.
I'm more of a diesel.
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I just keep going and And, and
since then, I just kind of got
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burned out and then somebody
introduced me to like e, mounted
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bike, Sandy road bikes, and
bikes.
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And they have the wrong
impression of them.
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They just you feel like you got
a V8 under you and it's not, you
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can buy a fairly as any motor
power, and it's all has to be
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triggered by your pedal in
silence until helper.
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You put some new reinvigorates
you to get.
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I don't know if you've ever
heard of a town called can or
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Alberta Canada, right next to
Banff, Canada.
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I haven't, but bam supposed to
be amazing, it is.
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Yeah.
So I have a house in Canmore and
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I go there for the Summers, I'm
leaving in about four weeks.
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And so there's all kinds of
there's like where the 1988
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Calgary Olympics were all of the
biathlon Triathlon.
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Cross-country skiing events were
like, right down, you know, a
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mile from my house basically.
And so, there's biking trails
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that are there that are in Shane
and I'm not the greatest biking
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shape but I go mountain biking
and you know, I get my ass
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kicked by the guys who live
there that are my button.
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Get a specialized levo, turbo
comp you're going to love life.
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Yeah.
You know what they do?
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Most of these guys that are
either on.
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I think it's called a Rocky
Mountain.
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Yeah ebike or there's another
brand that they're all doing and
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they're like hey look at me.
You know, I'm a guy who has been
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mountain biking since I was a
little kid.
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Kid in the Canadian Rockies, you
know I'm no weakling but what
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this allows me to do is like
let's say I used to do a ride in
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three hours.
That's a big part of my day if
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I'm doing it every single day,
right?
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I can do that in same right now
in two hours, you know?
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And I'm still putting in every
bit as much effort.
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Still burning the same amount of
calories, still working hard.
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It's just I'm going a lot
faster.
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It's just a little different and
people don't do it.
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The what do we call them?
The No, I'm going to say Elite
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but that's not the word that we
use for them, but they're kind
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of snobby about it and like
you're just lazy like your dick.
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I don't care what you do.
I'm having a ball and I've
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introduced it to a few people
that are friends of mine were
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hesitant.
And now it's like that.
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You can't put the smile off your
face.
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Well, you know, I have e-bikes.
I have like, you know, Leisure
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e-bikes in Canada.
That merely girlfriend.
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We ride down the mountain into
the town, or have a beer.
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A coffee and ride back up to the
house.
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Fun per dollar is the best money
I've ever spent in my life.
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It's so awesome.
Like, I pedal most of the time,
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but sometimes you're holding a
beer in your hand and you need
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to use the throttle, you know.
But no, I'm kidding.
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I don't drink beer while I'm
writing but that but no, I mean
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it's it's great and and I love
it.
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I wish I was a little bit better
at doing what you do but I just
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yeah, requires more cause you're
having fun.
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Yeah.
So you know you obviously have a
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very long and very incredible
career and much of it obviously
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with the one company that we're
all very aware of all access and
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I want to talk about that for a
bit, but you from what?
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I understand you grew up in
Connecticut.
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You were Kid born raised in
Connecticut and that's kind of
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where you got the bug to get
into this crazy business.
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Yep.
Correct.
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Well, I was a drummer and not a
super technical drummer, more of
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a Charlie Watts type.
And people that I knew and
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roommates bass players
guitarist.
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They were, they were a lot more
technical.
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So when we would play, it was
just kind of like, he kind of
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had the feeling.
Like, I'm holding you guys back
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you want, right?
You know, Stewart Copeland,
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sorry.
Way, I just kind of was like,
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Hey, you know, maybe you get
another drummer and I'll just
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hang out with you guys and set
your stuff up and this is right
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out of high school and it kind
of just started there.
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And then I went like, all right,
well I'll work with this band.
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It's $20 a night.
He worked your brains out but
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you're working at bars in your
meeting girls and getting free
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beer.
They were consuming what, like a
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roadie?
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, I drove
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the van I would pretty much Much
set.
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The whole thing up by myself
drums, a slight sound
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everything.
I had it in a way where they had
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crew get all in one man crew.
Yeah, but it was fine and I
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think that it just, it was one
band, Led to another band.
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Every band got a little bit
bigger, and I think I was about
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19 18 or 19 and I was with Edgar
Winter.
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Whoa, and Had done a Europe tour
with them in an American tour
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with them and I was in Maryland
and we were doing a show and the
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promoter had hired this Lighting
Company show lights and so it
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was like the best lighting
company that I had ever seen.
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Is that sir Kay's?
You know, and this was Eric
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coming over after Super Tramp.
So all his equipment was new and
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nice and streamline modular
beautiful stuff and I These to
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Newcastle guys twins Peter and
Gordon Barden and they they
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said, hey man, you gotta, you
gotta quit this band and come
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with us.
We get along great and and I did
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it.
So I moved down to Baltimore
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show lights, had a office at
Maryland sound and it was, it
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was in a barn.
It was literally where the
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cotton used to be stored in a
little town called Dick, evil
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and show lights, didn't have
any.
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He didn't have much gear over
there, so we were putting stuff
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together with whatever we could
get our hands on.
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And I just started doing a
little tour here.
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A little tour, their Beach Boys.
Peabo Bryson was one of them.
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Oh gosh.
Who else cooling?
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The gang?
I went out with for a few months
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that was one of my favorite
tours ever.
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Great.
Great fun band.
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Yeah.
And Oui.
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We just kept going doing that
and I did a show with Al Jarreau
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one off, but those English guys
were back again.
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So they're like, hey, we're
going to get you on the crew.
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So I got on the crew and I was
the third lighting guy and it
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wasn't really my cup of tea.
I was more of a classic rock
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kind of guy but this is jazz.
And I like this great and very
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kind of high profile shows, you
know.
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Yeah.
And how is a great guy?
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Guy.
So I just worked with them and
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more and more and more and then
every year, I'd step up a little
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bit and then at one point I got
to be the stage manager LD and
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production manager.
Wow, which was great back.
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Then you would have a lot of
bands that would do that because
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there would be more than happy
to pay you double but they don't
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have all the other expenses
twice, right?
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Yeah, it was really beneficial
to all but backing up I when I
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was at This shop at Maryland
sound.
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I was there with Andy Collins,
who was the director of that
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facility.
They just had me working, like a
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little guy on his knees down
there, Building light bars and
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doing whatever.
And this guy shows up from Los
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Angeles, whose English, but he's
now living in California to
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build some dimmers.
And the older, I'm older him
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Jammers 72 way which till this
day or my favorite dinner.
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Were there analog but they were
the best.
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Yeah.
And I think anybody who was
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doing lights back in the early
80s, late 70s, would all agree
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that the altar ham rack was
amazing pin patch you know, all
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analog.
But there was this guy there and
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I could tell you know him and
Andy were like Super Bros but it
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was Clive, who is now my
business partner, but that's
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when we met and We just hit it
off and had a ball together and
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then I was still out with Al and
that led up that went on for
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seven years.
But I would use show lights so
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it all stayed in the family,
right?
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And what was clogged doing then?
He was basically the director of
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show lights at that point and
the party started starting other
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facets of his group and he ended
up having, like five different
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divisions and Supply was
lighting.
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And then in 86, I wanted to get
off the road because I was
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getting married.
So I went back to show lights
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and I was working with Ed wanna
bow.
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He was the sales guy.
That show lights.
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And he taught me how to do sales
over there.
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And he was a very loyal to are
Pierce forever till are passed
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away.
Yeah, it's great guy and one was
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and we all know how happy he is,
of course.
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Yeah.
And anyway, I'm we offer.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Golf with him and when he got
his first hole in one was
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awesome now really?
Yeah probably still the same.
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Still the only hole in one but
it was awesome.
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But we We went back to work
there and now it's having a good
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time in there.
I got married and it in this
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time Eric was forming a staging
company and I was like hey that
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looks like fun.
So I ended up being the director
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of this show staging division of
the show, group of companies.
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And then I he was then building
custom sets, And merging the
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stock staging and custom stuff
together.
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We did sets for Van Halen, David
Lee, Roth Guns, N Roses.
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We did this set when the riot
happened in Cincinnati at, it
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was good.
I mean we had we didn't
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certainly Tate was always the
one to measure from but I did
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okay, but that went on and on
and on until Eric I was just
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kind of like not paying enough
attention to business, but Clive
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was I was and other people that
were in high places but show
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lights at that point, was kind
of dying and Clive and I have
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families married and like, what
are we going to do?
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So was Eric the same way back
then that he was recently like
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the rolls royces and oh,
absolutely.
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Yeah, LD for a band that he was
doing lights for it.
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You got it.
R-really.
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Yeah, it was he was such an
interesting guy, you know, he
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could be very frustrating, but
at the same time I always love
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the guy who was a great guy and
I know how clever he was.
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And I know what a nice guy.
He is, when we were at his
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memorial service, it was funny
because you had all the people
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that came in to see the memorial
be there from way back.
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Yeah.
Well sorry, yeah, it's all good.
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I can see.
Okay.
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And then you had all the sgps
new people.
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New that they're probably ten
year vets there, but they would
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get up and tell stories about
Eric being.
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Such an angel in wonderful
guide.
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I've never met a nicer man and
he's so gentle and kind and all
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his old people are like, wait a
minute, who's that guy?
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Yeah, right.
Like I like scream and yell at
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everybody back and hey and fling
it in the truck and yeah.
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What'd he say put a guy Acid on
it.
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Yeah, and yeah.
Anyway, that was a lot of fun,
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but that's when Clive and I
said, hey look, what are we
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going to do?
And we said well, you know, we
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most of these clients are ours.
Not like we want to steal his
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clients but they need if we
don't take him someone else's.
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Yeah, so we We started all
access and we didn't want to
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have any equipment.
We had a 40,000 square foot
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building, that we decked out to
be Studios for music videos
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because this is back in 91.
So there's a lot of videos going
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on in.
Yep, so, we did a few in here.
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We did the first Foo Fighters.
We did Crosby, Stills Nash.
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The funny thing is one of our
sales, guys, some way somehow
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got a call from the Playboy
Channel, we shot some Playboy
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movies, you know, no work
goddamn of our crew.
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Yeah, that was pretty funny.
But anyway, one thing led to
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another and we needed a deck.
Well, we'll go out and have a
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company, built it for us.
Or is the deck?
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I don't know.
They're not done with it.
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Well, I need it.
So anyway, you need more
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control.
Will you give me?
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The deck.
You got to have something to
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hold it up and on and on and on
and on and we're five staging
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company 1000x later.
Yeah, and we've grown here in
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this compound, from 40,000 to
120,000 square feet.
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Plus, we have the London office
and we have the Jersey office
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and, you know, kind of in the
same mode, a lot of our industry
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brothers, are where we've got a
lot of new people coming in.
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Change of the Guard things are
going really well.
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We did our 13th year, a Super
Bowl this year and knock wood.
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Yeah, that's incredible.
Like that.
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How does You know, it's probably
not a no-bid situation or
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anything is it?
It is kind of because it's such
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a unique style and I didn't do
it for three years or so that
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Bruce Rogers started being the
production designer for it and I
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was doing all of his set since
he started tribe design, but he
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goes.
Come on.
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What do you know you got to do
this thing won't know.
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You need these special tires.
You need to special.
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That it's all special special.
And I go Bruce, it's just not
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viable.
For won't do all this, by all
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this spend, all this money for
one show a year, just stay with
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Brian Sullivan, would be in our
scenery.
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Everything's going to be
fabulous, okay, fine.
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And about three years went
along, and they had an
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unfortunate situation in Miami
with the who wear one of the
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carts out of like, 30 carts.
That had the drums and back line
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on it.
They're volunteers there.
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Ran it into a ditch and If you
have somewhat of a catastrophic
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accident out there, even though
I don't think anybody got hurt.
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But I'm not sure NFL's.
Just like you got to go over.
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We at that point.
Brian was winding down and
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wanted to retire at least, sell
this company be in our scenery.
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So we ended up buying the
company and we had all the gear
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now.
So it's like, okay, Bruce will
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do it.
So, we came in with some fresh
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ideas that everybody really
liked, they are Just the style
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of how we're going to handle the
construction with as much rental
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as possible and you know, just
do as much customers you need to
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but things like carts, butting
up two carts times, 30 having
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them.
Not be a trip Hazard.
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We came up with this really cool
big tongue and groove you know
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and back 13 years ago, people
were like, this is amazing.
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So we did a decent job getting
in there and it's it's evolves
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every year and it gets Much more
technical every year.
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You see it from this year?
Yeah it seemed like before it
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used to be like you used to use
the same carts every year and it
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just kind of you know the light
show changed in the show,
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changed in the performers
change.
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But the stage was pretty similar
most times.
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Now, like this year, just went
nuts.
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Like I read, I was reading some
of the stats.
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I made notes on some of them, so
it was the widest stage ever
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used for a halftime show at 235
feet.
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Yep. 236 specially-designed
wheels on stage carts, sixty
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four sets of hinging stairs,
which I read weigh 300 pounds
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each.
Yeah, just the stairs 16 to 20
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people on each cart 500 total
just to get lighting and staging
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on and off the field.
Yeah.
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And one of the craziest ones and
maybe you can tell the story was
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the paint for that stage this
year.
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Oh yeah.
We had been getting some
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renderings from Willow, who was
the designer.
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Yeah.
And Bruce pretty much controls
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the whole situation, but the
artist has a designer that says,
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here's what we want to do.
And then Bruce gets in and goes.
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Okay, we can do that.
Move on.
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And then he had the whole idea
of flying everybody.
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All right, so Bruce going to go.
Talk to Tate.
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We We don't fly people.
So we had minimal involvement
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with that.
We did some Scenic work to those
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flying beds but nothing else.
And yeah, incredible system out
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there, so he cool.
Yeah, and it was if you were to
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talk to them about it and they
explained it.
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I never got to see the whole
brains of the operation.
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I was running around doing other
things, but apparently, it was
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very old school almost like, you
know, a hundred year old
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technology with the drums, but
then, Slap computer control onto
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it and manual brakes.
There was all sorts of manual
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backup or it.
So they did a great job and it
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was very cool looking but as
we're working on the set.
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It was going to wants to be all
red.
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Oh okay, red.
Well then it started to get a
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little bit more difficult
because we finally got the real
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reference of what it wants to
be, and it was more like ultra
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violet, red, very orange, and
pink and we're like, alright,
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well we'll just go up to
Hollywood and hit the paint
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store and having Mix us up a
batch and they just couldn't hit
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the caller, they couldn't get
that.
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Vibrance we ended up going to
Wildfire.
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Yeah, yeah.
Wildfire. 235 dollars per gallon
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week.
We spend like, over 20,000
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dollars on pain.
Not a lot more.
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And we had to repaint on-site
part of it.
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Just they want to had a fresh
look for the the performance.
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Well, yeah, it was, it was a big
deal at paint was not that fun
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to use.
When I read something to about a
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pallet that got lost and and so,
you were loading trucks with wet
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paint.
And yeah, it wasn't that bad but
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00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,300
it was down to the wire like we
were loading in a day.
445
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:02,900
So Phelps had a pallet full of
it and there was nowhere to get
446
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,300
any more.
So we found it in a day or so
447
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:12,200
and reeled it in Super Bowl,
always has some glitch for
448
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:14,900
somewhere, whether it's
something that happens to our
449
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,800
machines.
I mean, I don't know how he got
450
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,900
through covid with putting the
weekend together and Tampa.
451
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,600
Yeah, that was a nightmare.
Well, if it wasn't in Florida,
452
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,500
you wouldn't have, you know,
right here in Florida.
453
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:35,000
We didn't give too much care
towards covid.
454
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:47,000
It was like what covid-19 Are
from there.
455
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,500
I'm in Wellington West Palm
Beach, basically, I like it down
456
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:53,500
there.
I like going to Boca Raton, I'm
457
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,500
time.
Yeah, no, it's nice.
458
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,800
I also read somewhere that you
do the UFC, you did the UFC
459
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,600
ring, We've done about five of
them so far and they're
460
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,300
scattered all over the world at
this point.
461
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:09,800
And I want to say, I think I
heard back when we started doing
462
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,100
a few years back that there's
going to be a total of 20, I
463
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:14,000
think.
Yeah.
464
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:19,100
And it's a unique item to put
together.
465
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:25,100
It's similar Its uniqueness is
similar to WWE because we also
466
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:29,000
do them, right?
That ring has to have some give
467
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200
and bounce, right?
Yeah, you know, like a
468
00:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,600
dancer-ly, Texas, sprung dance
floor, right?
469
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,600
These slurs are going to jump
from a post in the corner.
470
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,100
You know, 15 feet in the air and
land.
471
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:44,400
Yeah.
So there's a fine line of how
472
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:50,000
much structural you can put in
and what you shouldn't and see,
473
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,200
just build it and give it to
them.
474
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,400
And then They travel around with
it and set it up and stuff and
475
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:57,300
yeah, which is common in the
rock and roll industry to.
476
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,400
There's going to be plenty
luxury managers that have their
477
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,700
own team, right?
We build is to.
478
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,800
Yeah, yeah, I guess, you know,
it's funny because I never
479
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,600
thought of anyone building
those, I'm a big fan of UFC.
480
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,600
I watch it all the time, but I
never really thought about it.
481
00:30:12,608 --> 00:30:16,700
And then I read somewhere in a
note that all of the Rings were
482
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:20,000
being built by by all access.
I was like, wow, that's pretty
483
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,400
cool, you know?
I don't know why.
484
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,300
It's surprisingly so much that
it would be somebody in our
485
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,400
guest reiteration.
Yeah.
486
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,900
It's generally aware, whoever
started them.
487
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:33,100
Yeah, it's needed to get to be
more technical.
488
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,100
These people had their
limitations.
489
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
I don't even know who it was.
They didn't do a bad job but the
490
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,600
modern world shows up and they
want modern technology
491
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,200
lightweight and we were
fortunate enough to be there.
492
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Now, we have kind of made a name
for ourselves in the sports
493
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,900
world.
And across the board at one
494
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:59,000
point we were doing Super Bowl
right after Super Bowl.
495
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,100
We do the NBA All-Star Game
right after that, we would do
496
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:07,500
the Major League Baseball,
All-Star game, right after that,
497
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:14,200
we would do the MLS All-Star
Game and championship, and while
498
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,300
we're doing all of this, we're
doing Supercross which we do
499
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:24,700
everything for Supercross
design, Sure everything and also
500
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,700
outdoor motocross.
We had a race team for Supermoto
501
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,000
where we have a am a number one
plate.
502
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,900
It from 2005.
That's what this is behind me.
503
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,200
That's cool.
Yeah, that's very cool.
504
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,000
If you ever get into cars, let
me know.
505
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,600
I have a driver son, a racing
driver sign.
506
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,000
He's racing in England right
now.
507
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,700
So no I was smart enough to say
with a you know two wheels and
508
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,900
we did it in.
I know when to stop, I had bike
509
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
race teams and you just got to
have your fun with it and then
510
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,400
stop don't Benson.
It is very expensive but I mean
511
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,900
since then we have now Red Bull
as a client because we were
512
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,100
doing a lot of Red Bull Racing
kolya.
513
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,100
That's why I don't know almost
20 years with them.
514
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
We also do everything for
monster we don't really do much
515
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000
for Red Bull anymore.
It's kind of like Sleeping with
516
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
the Enemy you know.
So we've been with monster for
517
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:24,600
over Ten years.
And there are a lot of fun.
518
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,300
I like working with everybody,
but it's all kind of cross.
519
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,700
Pollinate everywhere.
So, we have a heavy hand in the
520
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,200
Sports World.
Yeah, that's very cool.
521
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,300
Let me ask you a question, you
know, are you ever surprised by
522
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:43,800
how big the staging side and
scenery set side of the
523
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,100
industry?
Like how big Tate has become?
524
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:49,400
How big you guys have become?
Does it ever surprise?
525
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,100
You that it's grown to this
level?
526
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,300
I don't know that it surprises
me because it's kind of like
527
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,300
your You visit your daughter and
son-in-law and they have a fresh
528
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,300
baby.
Well, they live in England so
529
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:09,200
you know, see the kid till five
years, ten years later and
530
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,400
you're like wow, well if you
live there and saw the kid every
531
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,900
day you wouldn't you would be
big impact.
532
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,800
So it's kind of like that to me
right.
533
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:26,600
You know, everything just grow
on a nice trajectory and so you
534
00:33:26,608 --> 00:33:32,200
know I I feel like, you know,
Tate is so big.
535
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,900
Yeah, it's not really what I
aspire to be.
536
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:45,400
Yeah, we want to be more working
on, I don't see Mom and Pop,
537
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,500
we're certainly not that but But
boy, you just don't want to get
538
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:52,000
that big.
That's what do you and Clive
539
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,900
have family successors?
We have our kids that are in the
540
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,500
industry.
Graham and Jillian Clive's.
541
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,700
Two kids, both work here.
Okay.
542
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,700
Son.
Zack is out on Dave Matthews
543
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:11,900
right now.
Okay, working for us, he's rigor
544
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,000
automation operator.
He's, he does a lot of
545
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,500
everything.
And when he's on his off time,
546
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,500
he works at the amphitheater up
in Bend Oregon, and they're the
547
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:25,500
local theater there.
So Zach not going to be working
548
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,100
here in the facility.
He just works around it.
549
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,500
So no, I only ask because like
you say, you know, you don't
550
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,699
aspire to be that big or
anything, but the general exit
551
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:41,699
strategy for most people in our
industry, not dissimilar to Tate
552
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:46,400
is, you know, large private
Equity Group, or some financial
553
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,100
institution of some sort.
It's not even typically these
554
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:54,199
days, it's not even really like
a strategic, you know, like you
555
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,700
may Not be bought by Tate.
You might be bought by a big
556
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,300
private Equity Group or
something, or we see those every
557
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,500
day.
We see every day and they do
558
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:10,300
offer usually ridiculous.
And these days we don't goof
559
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,800
around with them.
It's like, hey, We need this
560
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600
much.
Don't talk to me unless you're
561
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200
talking that much.
Yeah, bye.
562
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,300
Yeah, and really simple, not to
be cocky.
563
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:28,000
We're just not we don't want to
play the game and, you know,
564
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,100
everything's for sale.
Always is, we're always grow.
565
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:35,000
He's willing to listen to Fair
offers, but it's not the, it's
566
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,600
not the plan right now by this
date we're going to sell.
567
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,100
No no.
And I'm not, I'm not trying to
568
00:35:40,107 --> 00:35:42,400
get that kind of like I'm not
trying to pry.
569
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,000
Or anything it's just I love
having those conversations,
570
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,300
whether it's on my podcast or
just in person with people over
571
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:54,800
a beer because you know, I only
have one son and my company you
572
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,900
know, my son doesn't work for my
company.
573
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:01,000
He's a professional race car
driver and, you know, he's got a
574
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,400
very small job in my company,
just as a token job so that he's
575
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,500
got health insurance.
But other than that, you know,
576
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:09,900
he doesn't really work in my
business.
577
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,300
So I'm always thinking about
well, geez, if I get hit by a
578
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:13,900
bus.
Bus tomorrow, you know.
579
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,100
Yeah, you know, what's that look
like?
580
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:21,000
And so, you know, I think at our
age, everyone's got to have some
581
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,200
sort of an idea of what their
succession plan is.
582
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Of course, I think, I think, you
know, Tate sold three or four
583
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,300
times.
Yeah, that's true.
584
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,300
You know, sgps never sold, Eric
held onto it forever, and year
585
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,500
jogging along.
Yeah, so yes, and then runs it,
586
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,200
is that What's that does
Jennifer run it now?
587
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Well, she runs the La and then
Eric's wife, Angela runs, Las
588
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,500
Vegas.
I don't know that tells over
589
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,100
there.
I didn't think they were going
590
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,500
to last.
Yeah, this feeling.
591
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:56,800
Okay.
Yeah, good for them.
592
00:36:56,900 --> 00:37:00,300
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't
just get bought up by somebody
593
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:04,200
and exit you know but it's a
tough time.
594
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,300
I mean when somebody with that
much of a personality in a
595
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:10,700
presence It's disappears, you
know?
596
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,600
Jesus, it's terrible time.
Yeah.
597
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,400
Well I know you got a you got a
birthday thing and I promised I
598
00:37:16,408 --> 00:37:19,100
wouldn't take more than 30
minutes and it's been 32.
599
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:23,100
So you know, I appreciate you
jumping on doing you've had
600
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,100
quite a year.
I mean again this Super Bowl was
601
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,900
incredible that you just did.
It was like and I know Tate did
602
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,300
the flying things and stuff, but
the whole project was just on
603
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,500
real, like, did I love the
artist?
604
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,200
Do I love the music?
No, but the show is incredible.
605
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800
It was outrageous.
Yeah.
606
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,700
Understand the technical.
And of course I mean an end.
607
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,600
Just the visual, I mean it was
just beautiful.
608
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,200
It was a beautiful beautiful
show but you know and you got a
609
00:37:47,207 --> 00:37:50,100
Parnelli award to so
congratulations on that.
610
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,700
Thank you.
Very cool.
611
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200
How did you hear in my lengthy
acceptance speech?
612
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,400
And I didn't is it on YouTube or
something because I wasn't
613
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,000
there.
It could be but Terry low had
614
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,400
requested to keep the acceptance
speeches to a minimum and I
615
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200
think we were the second award
and I just walked up and And
616
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,400
went thanks and moved on.
And then I got all these emails.
617
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,200
Best acceptance speech ever.
That's awesome.
618
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,300
That's some people keep going on
for hours.
619
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,000
Yeah.
Well and then I'd like to thank
620
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,100
my cousin Lucy and my second
cousin, Johnny.
621
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,500
And exactly.
Yeah, well, I appreciate you
622
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,200
doing this, and hopefully we can
do it again.
623
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,600
Sometime they will drag Clive
out of his office and yeah, get
624
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,000
him on or something.
And, you know, great happy.
625
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,200
For your success and continued
success and health and all that
626
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,200
stuff and happy riding.
And yeah, yeah right on.
627
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,700
Well I really appreciate it and
hope to talk soon.
628
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,400
Alright buddy, thank you very
much.
629
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,800
Have a good weekend.
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know she's amazing.
If you don't know her I'm
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telling you she's amazing and
you're going to want to meet
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with her.
So to connect with her, just
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shoot her, an email, Sarah SAR,
aah at gear.
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Source.com and I'm sure, she'll
find time to meet up and grab a
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beer, or whatever.
It is, a water, a coffee,
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whatever wiener schnitzel.
But yeah, Chase Chase down Sarah
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at the show next week.
You'll probably enjoy spending a
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little bit of time with her and
we appreciate it.
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Of course speaking of gear
Source its spring touring season
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and we are busy but I will tell
you we've got some better
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listings these days than we've
had probably for the last.
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I don't know. 24 months maybe 36
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listing for a whole huge number
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of La racks L acoustic, a acts
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extremely rare.
They're hard to come by.
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They sell out instantly as soon
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the door, the price is pretty
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So watch for those, those should
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They were supposed to be in
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Maybe today, hopefully by
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fly out the door, so jump on
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So this gentleman that we're
recording with today is hot on
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the tail of winning a Parnelli
award this year.
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And of course, did that
incredible Super Bowl halftime
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show?
And so, obviously, I'm speaking
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about Eric, Eastland, who is the
president of all All access
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staging and an all-round, super
nice guy.
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And so I'm really, really
excited about bringing Eric on
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today.
So let's go ahead and get him
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on.
Well, hello there, mr.
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Eric, how are you?
I'm good.
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How are you fan flipping,
tastic?
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You know, I was just saying to
you off the air here that you
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look good man.
Thank you.
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Damn, good.
You look younger than me and
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you're a little bit older than
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So I think I got to step it up.
We look better.
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I want to get on my bicycles.
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You do a lot of biking.
Right?
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I do.
I do like a lot lot.
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Yeah.
My biggest achievement cycling
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was Two years in a row.
I did Seattle to Portland.
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It's called the STP but it's 200
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And the first year I did 165 the
first day and then finished up
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the next the next year I did the
whole thing and by the time your
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ride to the race and ride home,
it was 211 miles in one day and
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I was 15 and a half hours on the
street.
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That was, I mean, it's a great
feeling and there's a lot of
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adrenaline going but I'll tell
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miles is like you're dragging 15
dead animals behind you and
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that's one of those like, no,
wait road bikes right with the
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carbon wheels and all that
stuff?
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Yeah, like a monster.
Do you have that?
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Yeah, you know the thing is like
I don't know if you know a guy
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named Peter Moore.
Morris or more, more more.
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I'm not sure he works for Roby.
Now he worked for Martin for a
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long time, but he's a big road
biker down here in Florida and
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he brought his bike to my house
one time.
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And he goes here, try try try
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Honestly.
Like I felt like that seat was
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going to need to be surgically
removed from my ears.
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Like you gotta get used to
enforce it on that thing for two
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hundred miles.
You just, you know, you got it
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that's before you do that event.
They tell you, you know, you
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have to get at least 100 miles
under your belt.
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Just so your body is ready for
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Yeah, yeah, part of it is just
building, Calais it right there.
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Yeah.
And even if you do that, you're
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walking funny for the next week,
it's unreal.
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I mean, why does that seed have
to be like that?
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Is it just wait?
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It's it's a matter of, you know,
leg movement instead of this,
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but I want one of those cushy
seats with the Springs under it.
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You know, one of the big That
one's that that like old ladies
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drive on on those three wheel
bikes.
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That's what I want.
Yeah, I've been riding bikes
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since I was a little kid and I
got serious.
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Really serious about it?
When we moved to bend or again?
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That's where we live now.
I thought back in 04 and I know
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a lot of pros and I put on an
event up there.
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So I just got to get with people
that were pulling me up to the
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next level.
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And they're super fast.
I'm more of a diesel.
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I just keep going and And, and
since then, I just kind of got
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burned out and then somebody
introduced me to like e, mounted
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bike, Sandy road bikes, and
bikes.
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And they have the wrong
impression of them.
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They just you feel like you got
a V8 under you and it's not, you
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can buy a fairly as any motor
power, and it's all has to be
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triggered by your pedal in
silence until helper.
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You put some new reinvigorates
you to get.
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I don't know if you've ever
heard of a town called can or
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Alberta Canada, right next to
Banff, Canada.
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I haven't, but bam supposed to
be amazing, it is.
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Yeah.
So I have a house in Canmore and
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I go there for the Summers, I'm
leaving in about four weeks.
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And so there's all kinds of
there's like where the 1988
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Calgary Olympics were all of the
biathlon Triathlon.
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Cross-country skiing events were
like, right down, you know, a
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mile from my house basically.
And so, there's biking trails
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that are there that are in Shane
and I'm not the greatest biking
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shape but I go mountain biking
and you know, I get my ass
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kicked by the guys who live
there that are my button.
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Get a specialized levo, turbo
comp you're going to love life.
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Yeah.
You know what they do?
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Most of these guys that are
either on.
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I think it's called a Rocky
Mountain.
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Yeah ebike or there's another
brand that they're all doing and
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they're like hey look at me.
You know, I'm a guy who has been
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mountain biking since I was a
little kid.
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Kid in the Canadian Rockies, you
know I'm no weakling but what
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this allows me to do is like
let's say I used to do a ride in
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three hours.
That's a big part of my day if
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I'm doing it every single day,
right?
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I can do that in same right now
in two hours, you know?
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And I'm still putting in every
bit as much effort.
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Still burning the same amount of
calories, still working hard.
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It's just I'm going a lot
faster.
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It's just a little different and
people don't do it.
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The what do we call them?
The No, I'm going to say Elite
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but that's not the word that we
use for them, but they're kind
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of snobby about it and like
you're just lazy like your dick.
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I don't care what you do.
I'm having a ball and I've
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introduced it to a few people
that are friends of mine were
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hesitant.
And now it's like that.
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You can't put the smile off your
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Well, you know, I have e-bikes.
I have like, you know, Leisure
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e-bikes in Canada.
That merely girlfriend.
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We ride down the mountain into
the town, or have a beer.
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A coffee and ride back up to the
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Fun per dollar is the best money
I've ever spent in my life.
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It's so awesome.
Like, I pedal most of the time,
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but sometimes you're holding a
beer in your hand and you need
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to use the throttle, you know.
But no, I'm kidding.
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I don't drink beer while I'm
writing but that but no, I mean
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it's it's great and and I love
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I wish I was a little bit better
at doing what you do but I just
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yeah, requires more cause you're
having fun.
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Yeah.
So you know you obviously have a
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very long and very incredible
career and much of it obviously
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with the one company that we're
all very aware of all access and
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I want to talk about that for a
bit, but you from what?
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I understand you grew up in
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You were Kid born raised in
Connecticut and that's kind of
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where you got the bug to get
into this crazy business.
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Yep.
Correct.
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Well, I was a drummer and not a
super technical drummer, more of
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a Charlie Watts type.
And people that I knew and
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roommates bass players
guitarist.
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They were, they were a lot more
technical.
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So when we would play, it was
just kind of like, he kind of
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had the feeling.
Like, I'm holding you guys back
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you want, right?
You know, Stewart Copeland,
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sorry.
Way, I just kind of was like,
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Hey, you know, maybe you get
another drummer and I'll just
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hang out with you guys and set
your stuff up and this is right
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out of high school and it kind
of just started there.
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And then I went like, all right,
well I'll work with this band.
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It's $20 a night.
He worked your brains out but
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you're working at bars in your
meeting girls and getting free
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beer.
They were consuming what, like a
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roadie?
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, I drove
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the van I would pretty much Much
set.
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The whole thing up by myself
drums, a slight sound
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everything.
I had it in a way where they had
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crew get all in one man crew.
Yeah, but it was fine and I
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think that it just, it was one
band, Led to another band.
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Every band got a little bit
bigger, and I think I was about
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19 18 or 19 and I was with Edgar
Winter.
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Whoa, and Had done a Europe tour
with them in an American tour
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with them and I was in Maryland
and we were doing a show and the
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promoter had hired this Lighting
Company show lights and so it
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was like the best lighting
company that I had ever seen.
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Is that sir Kay's?
You know, and this was Eric
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coming over after Super Tramp.
So all his equipment was new and
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nice and streamline modular
beautiful stuff and I These to
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Newcastle guys twins Peter and
Gordon Barden and they they
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said, hey man, you gotta, you
gotta quit this band and come
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with us.
We get along great and and I did
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it.
So I moved down to Baltimore
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show lights, had a office at
Maryland sound and it was, it
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was in a barn.
It was literally where the
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cotton used to be stored in a
little town called Dick, evil
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and show lights, didn't have
any.
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He didn't have much gear over
there, so we were putting stuff
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together with whatever we could
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And I just started doing a
little tour here.
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A little tour, their Beach Boys.
Peabo Bryson was one of them.
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Oh gosh.
Who else cooling?
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The gang?
I went out with for a few months
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that was one of my favorite
tours ever.
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Great.
Great fun band.
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Yeah.
And Oui.
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We just kept going doing that
and I did a show with Al Jarreau
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one off, but those English guys
were back again.
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So they're like, hey, we're
going to get you on the crew.
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So I got on the crew and I was
the third lighting guy and it
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wasn't really my cup of tea.
I was more of a classic rock
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kind of guy but this is jazz.
And I like this great and very
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kind of high profile shows, you
know.
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Yeah.
And how is a great guy?
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Guy.
So I just worked with them and
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more and more and more and then
every year, I'd step up a little
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bit and then at one point I got
to be the stage manager LD and
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production manager.
Wow, which was great back.
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Then you would have a lot of
bands that would do that because
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there would be more than happy
to pay you double but they don't
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have all the other expenses
twice, right?
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Yeah, it was really beneficial
to all but backing up I when I
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was at This shop at Maryland
sound.
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I was there with Andy Collins,
who was the director of that
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facility.
They just had me working, like a
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little guy on his knees down
there, Building light bars and
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doing whatever.
And this guy shows up from Los
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Angeles, whose English, but he's
now living in California to
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build some dimmers.
And the older, I'm older him
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Jammers 72 way which till this
day or my favorite dinner.
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Were there analog but they were
the best.
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Yeah.
And I think anybody who was
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doing lights back in the early
80s, late 70s, would all agree
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that the altar ham rack was
amazing pin patch you know, all
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analog.
But there was this guy there and
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I could tell you know him and
Andy were like Super Bros but it
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was Clive, who is now my
business partner, but that's
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when we met and We just hit it
off and had a ball together and
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then I was still out with Al and
that led up that went on for
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seven years.
But I would use show lights so
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it all stayed in the family,
right?
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And what was clogged doing then?
He was basically the director of
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show lights at that point and
the party started starting other
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facets of his group and he ended
up having, like five different
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divisions and Supply was
lighting.
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And then in 86, I wanted to get
off the road because I was
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getting married.
So I went back to show lights
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and I was working with Ed wanna
bow.
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He was the sales guy.
That show lights.
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And he taught me how to do sales
over there.
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And he was a very loyal to are
Pierce forever till are passed
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away.
Yeah, it's great guy and one was
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and we all know how happy he is,
of course.
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Yeah.
And anyway, I'm we offer.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Golf with him and when he got
his first hole in one was
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awesome now really?
Yeah probably still the same.
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Still the only hole in one but
it was awesome.
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But we We went back to work
there and now it's having a good
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time in there.
I got married and it in this
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time Eric was forming a staging
company and I was like hey that
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looks like fun.
So I ended up being the director
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of this show staging division of
the show, group of companies.
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And then I he was then building
custom sets, And merging the
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stock staging and custom stuff
together.
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We did sets for Van Halen, David
Lee, Roth Guns, N Roses.
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We did this set when the riot
happened in Cincinnati at, it
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was good.
I mean we had we didn't
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certainly Tate was always the
one to measure from but I did
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okay, but that went on and on
and on until Eric I was just
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kind of like not paying enough
attention to business, but Clive
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was I was and other people that
were in high places but show
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lights at that point, was kind
of dying and Clive and I have
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families married and like, what
are we going to do?
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So was Eric the same way back
then that he was recently like
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the rolls royces and oh,
absolutely.
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Yeah, LD for a band that he was
doing lights for it.
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You got it.
R-really.
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Yeah, it was he was such an
interesting guy, you know, he
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could be very frustrating, but
at the same time I always love
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the guy who was a great guy and
I know how clever he was.
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And I know what a nice guy.
He is, when we were at his
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memorial service, it was funny
because you had all the people
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that came in to see the memorial
be there from way back.
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Yeah.
Well sorry, yeah, it's all good.
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I can see.
Okay.
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And then you had all the sgps
new people.
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New that they're probably ten
year vets there, but they would
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get up and tell stories about
Eric being.
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Such an angel in wonderful
guide.
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I've never met a nicer man and
he's so gentle and kind and all
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his old people are like, wait a
minute, who's that guy?
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Yeah, right.
Like I like scream and yell at
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everybody back and hey and fling
it in the truck and yeah.
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What'd he say put a guy Acid on
it.
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Yeah, and yeah.
Anyway, that was a lot of fun,
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but that's when Clive and I
said, hey look, what are we
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going to do?
And we said well, you know, we
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most of these clients are ours.
Not like we want to steal his
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clients but they need if we
don't take him someone else's.
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Yeah, so we We started all
access and we didn't want to
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have any equipment.
We had a 40,000 square foot
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building, that we decked out to
be Studios for music videos
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because this is back in 91.
So there's a lot of videos going
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on in.
Yep, so, we did a few in here.
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We did the first Foo Fighters.
We did Crosby, Stills Nash.
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The funny thing is one of our
sales, guys, some way somehow
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got a call from the Playboy
Channel, we shot some Playboy
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movies, you know, no work
goddamn of our crew.
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Yeah, that was pretty funny.
But anyway, one thing led to
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another and we needed a deck.
Well, we'll go out and have a
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company, built it for us.
Or is the deck?
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I don't know.
They're not done with it.
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Well, I need it.
So anyway, you need more
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control.
Will you give me?
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The deck.
You got to have something to
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hold it up and on and on and on
and on and we're five staging
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company 1000x later.
Yeah, and we've grown here in
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this compound, from 40,000 to
120,000 square feet.
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Plus, we have the London office
and we have the Jersey office
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and, you know, kind of in the
same mode, a lot of our industry
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brothers, are where we've got a
lot of new people coming in.
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Change of the Guard things are
going really well.
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We did our 13th year, a Super
Bowl this year and knock wood.
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Yeah, that's incredible.
Like that.
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How does You know, it's probably
not a no-bid situation or
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anything is it?
It is kind of because it's such
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a unique style and I didn't do
it for three years or so that
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Bruce Rogers started being the
production designer for it and I
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was doing all of his set since
he started tribe design, but he
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goes.
Come on.
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What do you know you got to do
this thing won't know.
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You need these special tires.
You need to special.
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That it's all special special.
And I go Bruce, it's just not
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viable.
For won't do all this, by all
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this spend, all this money for
one show a year, just stay with
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Brian Sullivan, would be in our
scenery.
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Everything's going to be
fabulous, okay, fine.
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And about three years went
along, and they had an
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unfortunate situation in Miami
with the who wear one of the
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carts out of like, 30 carts.
That had the drums and back line
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on it.
They're volunteers there.
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Ran it into a ditch and If you
have somewhat of a catastrophic
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accident out there, even though
I don't think anybody got hurt.
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But I'm not sure NFL's.
Just like you got to go over.
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We at that point.
Brian was winding down and
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wanted to retire at least, sell
this company be in our scenery.
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So we ended up buying the
company and we had all the gear
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now.
So it's like, okay, Bruce will
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do it.
So, we came in with some fresh
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ideas that everybody really
liked, they are Just the style
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of how we're going to handle the
construction with as much rental
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as possible and you know, just
do as much customers you need to
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but things like carts, butting
up two carts times, 30 having
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them.
Not be a trip Hazard.
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We came up with this really cool
big tongue and groove you know
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and back 13 years ago, people
were like, this is amazing.
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So we did a decent job getting
in there and it's it's evolves
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every year and it gets Much more
technical every year.
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You see it from this year?
Yeah it seemed like before it
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used to be like you used to use
the same carts every year and it
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just kind of you know the light
show changed in the show,
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changed in the performers
change.
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But the stage was pretty similar
most times.
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Now, like this year, just went
nuts.
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Like I read, I was reading some
of the stats.
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I made notes on some of them, so
it was the widest stage ever
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used for a halftime show at 235
feet.
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Yep. 236 specially-designed
wheels on stage carts, sixty
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four sets of hinging stairs,
which I read weigh 300 pounds
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each.
Yeah, just the stairs 16 to 20
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people on each cart 500 total
just to get lighting and staging
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on and off the field.
Yeah.
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And one of the craziest ones and
maybe you can tell the story was
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the paint for that stage this
year.
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Oh yeah.
We had been getting some
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renderings from Willow, who was
the designer.
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Yeah.
And Bruce pretty much controls
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the whole situation, but the
artist has a designer that says,
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here's what we want to do.
And then Bruce gets in and goes.
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Okay, we can do that.
Move on.
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And then he had the whole idea
of flying everybody.
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All right, so Bruce going to go.
Talk to Tate.
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We We don't fly people.
So we had minimal involvement
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with that.
We did some Scenic work to those
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flying beds but nothing else.
And yeah, incredible system out
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there, so he cool.
Yeah, and it was if you were to
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talk to them about it and they
explained it.
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I never got to see the whole
brains of the operation.
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I was running around doing other
things, but apparently, it was
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very old school almost like, you
know, a hundred year old
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technology with the drums, but
then, Slap computer control onto
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it and manual brakes.
There was all sorts of manual
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backup or it.
So they did a great job and it
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was very cool looking but as
we're working on the set.
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It was going to wants to be all
red.
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Oh okay, red.
Well then it started to get a
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little bit more difficult
because we finally got the real
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reference of what it wants to
be, and it was more like ultra
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violet, red, very orange, and
pink and we're like, alright,
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well we'll just go up to
Hollywood and hit the paint
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store and having Mix us up a
batch and they just couldn't hit
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the caller, they couldn't get
that.
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Vibrance we ended up going to
Wildfire.
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Yeah, yeah.
Wildfire. 235 dollars per gallon
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week.
We spend like, over 20,000
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dollars on pain.
Not a lot more.
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And we had to repaint on-site
part of it.
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Just they want to had a fresh
look for the the performance.
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Well, yeah, it was, it was a big
deal at paint was not that fun
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to use.
When I read something to about a
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pallet that got lost and and so,
you were loading trucks with wet
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paint.
And yeah, it wasn't that bad but
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it was down to the wire like we
were loading in a day.
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So Phelps had a pallet full of
it and there was nowhere to get
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any more.
So we found it in a day or so
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and reeled it in Super Bowl,
always has some glitch for
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somewhere, whether it's
something that happens to our
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machines.
I mean, I don't know how he got
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through covid with putting the
weekend together and Tampa.
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Yeah, that was a nightmare.
Well, if it wasn't in Florida,
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you wouldn't have, you know,
right here in Florida.
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We didn't give too much care
towards covid.
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It was like what covid-19 Are
from there.
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I'm in Wellington West Palm
Beach, basically, I like it down
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there.
I like going to Boca Raton, I'm
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time.
Yeah, no, it's nice.
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I also read somewhere that you
do the UFC, you did the UFC
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ring, We've done about five of
them so far and they're
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scattered all over the world at
this point.
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And I want to say, I think I
heard back when we started doing
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a few years back that there's
going to be a total of 20, I
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think.
Yeah.
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And it's a unique item to put
together.
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It's similar Its uniqueness is
similar to WWE because we also
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do them, right?
That ring has to have some give
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and bounce, right?
Yeah, you know, like a
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dancer-ly, Texas, sprung dance
floor, right?
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These slurs are going to jump
from a post in the corner.
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You know, 15 feet in the air and
land.
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Yeah.
So there's a fine line of how
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much structural you can put in
and what you shouldn't and see,
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just build it and give it to
them.
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And then They travel around with
it and set it up and stuff and
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yeah, which is common in the
rock and roll industry to.
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There's going to be plenty
luxury managers that have their
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own team, right?
We build is to.
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Yeah, yeah, I guess, you know,
it's funny because I never
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thought of anyone building
those, I'm a big fan of UFC.
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I watch it all the time, but I
never really thought about it.
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And then I read somewhere in a
note that all of the Rings were
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being built by by all access.
I was like, wow, that's pretty
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cool, you know?
I don't know why.
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It's surprisingly so much that
it would be somebody in our
485
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,400
guest reiteration.
Yeah.
486
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,900
It's generally aware, whoever
started them.
487
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:33,100
Yeah, it's needed to get to be
more technical.
488
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,100
These people had their
limitations.
489
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
I don't even know who it was.
They didn't do a bad job but the
490
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,600
modern world shows up and they
want modern technology
491
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,200
lightweight and we were
fortunate enough to be there.
492
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Now, we have kind of made a name
for ourselves in the sports
493
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,900
world.
And across the board at one
494
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:59,000
point we were doing Super Bowl
right after Super Bowl.
495
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,100
We do the NBA All-Star Game
right after that, we would do
496
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:07,500
the Major League Baseball,
All-Star game, right after that,
497
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:14,200
we would do the MLS All-Star
Game and championship, and while
498
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,300
we're doing all of this, we're
doing Supercross which we do
499
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:24,700
everything for Supercross
design, Sure everything and also
500
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,700
outdoor motocross.
We had a race team for Supermoto
501
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,000
where we have a am a number one
plate.
502
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,900
It from 2005.
That's what this is behind me.
503
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,200
That's cool.
Yeah, that's very cool.
504
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,000
If you ever get into cars, let
me know.
505
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,600
I have a driver son, a racing
driver sign.
506
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,000
He's racing in England right
now.
507
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,700
So no I was smart enough to say
with a you know two wheels and
508
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,900
we did it in.
I know when to stop, I had bike
509
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
race teams and you just got to
have your fun with it and then
510
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,400
stop don't Benson.
It is very expensive but I mean
511
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,900
since then we have now Red Bull
as a client because we were
512
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,100
doing a lot of Red Bull Racing
kolya.
513
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,100
That's why I don't know almost
20 years with them.
514
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
We also do everything for
monster we don't really do much
515
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000
for Red Bull anymore.
It's kind of like Sleeping with
516
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
the Enemy you know.
So we've been with monster for
517
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:24,600
over Ten years.
And there are a lot of fun.
518
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,300
I like working with everybody,
but it's all kind of cross.
519
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,700
Pollinate everywhere.
So, we have a heavy hand in the
520
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,200
Sports World.
Yeah, that's very cool.
521
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,300
Let me ask you a question, you
know, are you ever surprised by
522
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:43,800
how big the staging side and
scenery set side of the
523
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,100
industry?
Like how big Tate has become?
524
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:49,400
How big you guys have become?
Does it ever surprise?
525
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,100
You that it's grown to this
level?
526
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,300
I don't know that it surprises
me because it's kind of like
527
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,300
your You visit your daughter and
son-in-law and they have a fresh
528
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,300
baby.
Well, they live in England so
529
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:09,200
you know, see the kid till five
years, ten years later and
530
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,400
you're like wow, well if you
live there and saw the kid every
531
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,900
day you wouldn't you would be
big impact.
532
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,800
So it's kind of like that to me
right.
533
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:26,600
You know, everything just grow
on a nice trajectory and so you
534
00:33:26,608 --> 00:33:32,200
know I I feel like, you know,
Tate is so big.
535
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,900
Yeah, it's not really what I
aspire to be.
536
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:45,400
Yeah, we want to be more working
on, I don't see Mom and Pop,
537
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,500
we're certainly not that but But
boy, you just don't want to get
538
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:52,000
that big.
That's what do you and Clive
539
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,900
have family successors?
We have our kids that are in the
540
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,500
industry.
Graham and Jillian Clive's.
541
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,700
Two kids, both work here.
Okay.
542
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,700
Son.
Zack is out on Dave Matthews
543
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:11,900
right now.
Okay, working for us, he's rigor
544
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,000
automation operator.
He's, he does a lot of
545
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,500
everything.
And when he's on his off time,
546
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,500
he works at the amphitheater up
in Bend Oregon, and they're the
547
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:25,500
local theater there.
So Zach not going to be working
548
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,100
here in the facility.
He just works around it.
549
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,500
So no, I only ask because like
you say, you know, you don't
550
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,699
aspire to be that big or
anything, but the general exit
551
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:41,699
strategy for most people in our
industry, not dissimilar to Tate
552
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:46,400
is, you know, large private
Equity Group, or some financial
553
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,100
institution of some sort.
It's not even typically these
554
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:54,199
days, it's not even really like
a strategic, you know, like you
555
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,700
may Not be bought by Tate.
You might be bought by a big
556
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,300
private Equity Group or
something, or we see those every
557
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,500
day.
We see every day and they do
558
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:10,300
offer usually ridiculous.
And these days we don't goof
559
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,800
around with them.
It's like, hey, We need this
560
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600
much.
Don't talk to me unless you're
561
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200
talking that much.
Yeah, bye.
562
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,300
Yeah, and really simple, not to
be cocky.
563
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:28,000
We're just not we don't want to
play the game and, you know,
564
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,100
everything's for sale.
Always is, we're always grow.
565
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:35,000
He's willing to listen to Fair
offers, but it's not the, it's
566
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,600
not the plan right now by this
date we're going to sell.
567
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,100
No no.
And I'm not, I'm not trying to
568
00:35:40,107 --> 00:35:42,400
get that kind of like I'm not
trying to pry.
569
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,000
Or anything it's just I love
having those conversations,
570
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,300
whether it's on my podcast or
just in person with people over
571
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:54,800
a beer because you know, I only
have one son and my company you
572
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,900
know, my son doesn't work for my
company.
573
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:01,000
He's a professional race car
driver and, you know, he's got a
574
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,400
very small job in my company,
just as a token job so that he's
575
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,500
got health insurance.
But other than that, you know,
576
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:09,900
he doesn't really work in my
business.
577
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,300
So I'm always thinking about
well, geez, if I get hit by a
578
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:13,900
bus.
Bus tomorrow, you know.
579
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,100
Yeah, you know, what's that look
like?
580
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:21,000
And so, you know, I think at our
age, everyone's got to have some
581
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,200
sort of an idea of what their
succession plan is.
582
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Of course, I think, I think, you
know, Tate sold three or four
583
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,300
times.
Yeah, that's true.
584
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,300
You know, sgps never sold, Eric
held onto it forever, and year
585
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,500
jogging along.
Yeah, so yes, and then runs it,
586
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,200
is that What's that does
Jennifer run it now?
587
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Well, she runs the La and then
Eric's wife, Angela runs, Las
588
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,500
Vegas.
I don't know that tells over
589
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,100
there.
I didn't think they were going
590
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,500
to last.
Yeah, this feeling.
591
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:56,800
Okay.
Yeah, good for them.
592
00:36:56,900 --> 00:37:00,300
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't
just get bought up by somebody
593
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:04,200
and exit you know but it's a
tough time.
594
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,300
I mean when somebody with that
much of a personality in a
595
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:10,700
presence It's disappears, you
know?
596
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,600
Jesus, it's terrible time.
Yeah.
597
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,400
Well I know you got a you got a
birthday thing and I promised I
598
00:37:16,408 --> 00:37:19,100
wouldn't take more than 30
minutes and it's been 32.
599
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:23,100
So you know, I appreciate you
jumping on doing you've had
600
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,100
quite a year.
I mean again this Super Bowl was
601
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,900
incredible that you just did.
It was like and I know Tate did
602
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,300
the flying things and stuff, but
the whole project was just on
603
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,500
real, like, did I love the
artist?
604
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,200
Do I love the music?
No, but the show is incredible.
605
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800
It was outrageous.
Yeah.
606
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,700
Understand the technical.
And of course I mean an end.
607
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,600
Just the visual, I mean it was
just beautiful.
608
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,200
It was a beautiful beautiful
show but you know and you got a
609
00:37:47,207 --> 00:37:50,100
Parnelli award to so
congratulations on that.
610
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,700
Thank you.
Very cool.
611
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200
How did you hear in my lengthy
acceptance speech?
612
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,400
And I didn't is it on YouTube or
something because I wasn't
613
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,000
there.
It could be but Terry low had
614
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,400
requested to keep the acceptance
speeches to a minimum and I
615
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200
think we were the second award
and I just walked up and And
616
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,400
went thanks and moved on.
And then I got all these emails.
617
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,200
Best acceptance speech ever.
That's awesome.
618
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,300
That's some people keep going on
for hours.
619
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,000
Yeah.
Well and then I'd like to thank
620
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,100
my cousin Lucy and my second
cousin, Johnny.
621
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,500
And exactly.
Yeah, well, I appreciate you
622
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,200
doing this, and hopefully we can
do it again.
623
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,600
Sometime they will drag Clive
out of his office and yeah, get
624
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,000
him on or something.
And, you know, great happy.
625
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,200
For your success and continued
success and health and all that
626
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,200
stuff and happy riding.
And yeah, yeah right on.
627
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,700
Well I really appreciate it and
hope to talk soon.
628
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,400
Alright buddy, thank you very
much.
629
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,800
Have a good weekend.