#195 - Jim Marlowe... one of the godfathers of HD projection

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Well, hey and hello.
And thanks for joining me again.

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Today, I will warn you today,
might get a little bit noisy.

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I do have painters in the
building today, so I apologize

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if you do hear background noise
today.

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But I always try to keep it to a
minimum.

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So, here we go.
Anyways, the Parnelli Awards

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just happened, any surprises.
I mean, not for me.

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I pretty much knew who The
winners were going to be, I

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think, but just to go through a
few of these, the Visionary

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award, my friend old friend,
Kenny wit, right, who I haven't

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seen in years, who's enjoying, I
think his retirement Lighting

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Company, the are Bandit lights,
the new Nook, schoenfeld

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lighting designer of the Year
award.

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Alec Takahashi production
designer of the Year.

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Travis surely sound company of
the Year sound image.

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I'm not All of these.
By the way, I'm just grabbing

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some of the highlights
front-of-house mixer of the

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Year.
John Lemon video production

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company of the year so low Tech
stage lighting or sorry staging

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company of the Year.
All access of course rigging

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company of the Year.
ARS Atlanta rigging systems set

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constructions, who else?
I'll give you a couple guesses.

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Come on I'll wait.
Of course, we know what state

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the Patrick Stansfield
production manager?

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The Year Nicole Massey?
Patrick Stansfield tour manager,

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the year, mark Oglesby Trucking
Company upstaging, yes,

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indispensable technology,
lighting rob4, the be MFL follow

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spot which of course is an
amazing piece of equipment.

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We sell tons of them on gear
source and expensive.

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Technology audio Allen & Heath
for the advantageous console

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version. 1.2 indispensable,
technology video row, of course,

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Vang.
Banish v8t LED panels and

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staging and effects.
Tyler trust for the GT truss.

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Awesome.
And congratulations to everyone.

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Speaking of the personalities,
I've been speaking with a couple

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friends about this.
Mostly people who had to go out

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there either to accept or to
present or to be a part of the

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Parnell.
He's but have absolutely nothing

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to do with Nan and I was in
disagreement with this from the

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beginning.
I know there was probably

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politics or something that led
to the Parnell.

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He's moving from ldi to nam.
I wish they'd move back to ldi.

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It doesn't make a whole lot of
sense to me.

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So, you know, I know there's
competing entities behind all of

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this and there's, again some
politics in it.

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But, you know, now I'm never
became the Sound and Lighting

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Mecca, that it was meant to
become or that they thought it

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would become from what I
understand, hardly any lighting.

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Companies, were there this year,
hardly any of the large large

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sound?
Companies were there this year

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and so, I don't know.
Like, for me, it doesn't make a

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lot of sense.
Move it back to ldi.

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And speaking of audio, audio
gear seems to be really ramping

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up right now and I don't know if
it's cause of Summer touring

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season or what it is.
But we've seen some large liner

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a deals on gear Source in the
past couple of weeks.

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And so I'm not going to
advertise but If you happen to

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be looking for a liner a
package, we've got them.

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And we've got some really cool
deals right now and some gear

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available that I wouldn't have
expected to be available at this

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time of year.
So today's episode is one of

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those ones I like to dive into
because it's a person.

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I did not know at all
previously.

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So today's guest is Jim Marlo,
who is a technical director,

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production designer operations
manager and was a very early

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mover in digital HD.
Ejection as well and has some

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really great stories in history
and experience with regard to HD

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projection from you know, back
in the 80s and 90s and so please

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welcome Jim Marlowe.
Hey Jim.

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Welcome, how are you?
I'm good.

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How are you?
It's, I'm doing great, thanks.

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It's a beautiful day.
It's been raining for a week,

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solid in South Florida.
So it's nice that it's sunny and

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fairly perfect temperature
today, I'm happy guy.

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And yes, a little Misty up here
and Shrub Oak.

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New York Shrub, Oak.
I've never heard of it.

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Where's that?
It's a near Peekskill.

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Okay, Yorktown Heights?
Yeah, Westchester, yeah, nice,

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nice. you know, it's funny, I
mentioned this on our little

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preach at thing, but it's not
often where I get to bring

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people on geezers of gear, who,
I don't know, who I have, no

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relationship, no past, no
history with, and in sort of

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learning about you leading up to
this, this podcast, you know,

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you've had quite an incredible
career and, and you continue to

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and so I'm really looking
forward to, you know, getting to

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know you on this on this podcast
and, and And I think our

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audience will enjoy it as well.
So, yeah.

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Well as I said, the name Jesus a
gear caught me right away.

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I was like I gotta talk to this.
Yeah.

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Well we're all geezers we're all
getting there at this point,

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right?
Absolutely.

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Yes.
But I mean you know again it's

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just weird for me to meet people
in our industry.

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I've been in the industry in
this country because I come from

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Canada originally, but I've been
in the industry in this country

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for 32 years now And and yeah,
so it's always fun to meet new

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people.
So, you know, your early story,

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I always love how people got
into the business like quite

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often.
They started as a DJ, they

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started as a musician and
realized they couldn't make any

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money as a musician and so they
either went the way of lighting

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or sound or staging or video or
whatever yours is a little bit

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different though, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah, I knew pretty early on
that.

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I wanted to work in the business
and I have been a musician and

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actor and all that stuff as
well.

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But I wanted to work in the
business pretty early on.

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I knew that and was looking for
an Avenue to find a way to do

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it.
Yeah.

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And as I mentioned in little
thing the blurb I sent you, I

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was in college studying theater
and music and play writing and

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all that and started hanging out
in the scene shop.

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So they would ask me to hold the
other end of the piece of wood

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or hold the ladder while they
climb the paying a light or

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something like that and
eventually Of the off on me.

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Hmm.
Yeah, nice.

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Yeah.
So you didn't actually go to

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school.
Like, you didn't take technical

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theater like no, no, I learned
from the other students.

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There.
That's how I learned and then

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they are some of the people who
actually connected me to the

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business after I got out of
college to.

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Yeah, very cool.
So, getting out of college, this

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is, you know I'm not going to
try and age you or anything but

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I'm guessing late 80s.
Oh no, no no.

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No.
We're talking mid 70s.

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Oh geez.
You're glad I got out of college

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in late, mid-70s and my first
job was working in a college

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theater.
I would 1979 at Fairleigh

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Dickinson University in Madison,
huh?

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And what was that, what were you
doing there?

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I was assistant, technical
director.

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So building scenery hanging
lights, you know, assisting

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teaching and and you got You
develop those skills just from

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people throwing Jabs at you
while you were in college and

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saying, hey, look over here.
You know, come move these lights

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or whatever.
Yeah, I ended up starting to do

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shows.
I did Off-Broadway show and I

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was still in college.
We did a show with Pinky Lee

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called Las Vegas, laughs, Ins at
the playhouse, on the ball, in

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Bergen County.
Yeah.

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So it just started doing shows
and working on stuff and picked

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it up.
Yeah.

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So your first Gag was technical
director at a theater and this

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detective assistant technical
director and so how'd that go?

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That was it was rough at first
my friends used to make jokes

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that I've got like the book the
scenic book open to the next

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page that the system page after
what the students are working on

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it.
That's funny but you know I

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obviously pick it up pretty
quickly.

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You know, learn how to build
flats and obviously Unite On how

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to do painting scenery.
And I know most like how to use

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power tools and all that but I'm
not a carpenter.

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I don't I don't really like
carpentry right right.

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So it was a big miss the way to
get into the business.

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Yeah yeah.
Well that's good.

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So what did that lead to what
was next?

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I read that you you found your
way into rock and roll.

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Somehow straight out of was that
straight out of that theater.

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I wish I literally had just
parted ways with them and I was

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at it.
Jerry Garcia show at the Capital

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Theater in Passaic New Jersey.
And a friend of mine that had

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worked within the college
student comes walking across the

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aisle in front of me.
So I say hello to him.

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So I'm working here at the
Capital Theater.

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The next thing I know I got home
from the concert and somebody

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said oh this guy's on the phone
for you.

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So I had to vote on.
What are you doing, Saturday?

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I have a showdown in Ashbury
Park.

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I'm so I'll do it interesting
and that led to almost all of my

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career opportunities for most of
the rest of my life basically.

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Yeah, that's another story in
itself.

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Yeah, but you mentioned
somewhere in one of the papers

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that I read that you got on the
House crew with, with John

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Share.
Yeah, that was that was the day.

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Oh that's the one.
Yeah, the guy asked me to come

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work for them on that Saturday.
Huh.

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Like what?
You know this was like a concert

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was on a Wednesday and I get the
call when I got one cool

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Correctional my name down.
Yeah and that like I said from

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the people I met and the things
I did in those two years Years

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of working in rock and roll led
to almost all of my career

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opportunities for the next 20
years.

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Amazing.
And then those like, you know,

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those connections from twenty
years left for the rest, you

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know?
Yeah.

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So when you were working with
John or for John or on that

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house Crew, That's I think when
you got introduced a video,

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right?
Yeah, that that was, I was

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starting to do The Rock videos
because Literally when MTV took

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off, okay?
And I had when I was still

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working at the college, I had
done a rock video with the guys

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that were down the hall.
There is funny because that's

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where my office was, was also
the underground theater and a

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classroom and the right down the
hall in the same building with

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the television Department, okay?
And the guys cheer mangino said,

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hey, you know, you should learn
video and I would like that.

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Be cool.
So we end up making a Iraq video

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of my band for this thing called
MADtv, which was Jersey City,

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State College now, Jersey City
University and it was on local

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cable access, you know, and it
made me want to do more with

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rock video.
And then, when the opportunity

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came up to work with the John
chair group, I was already

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interested in that with the
chemical bond Arc entertainment

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at the time.
And I was already interested in

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doing the rock and roll video
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So literally started doing Be
video as it was just beginning.

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And when you say doing video,
what were you doing?

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Well, these days, we do major
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We did the Billy Idol Rebel.
Yo, MTV video is Right shot as

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your role me.
I was gonna help her and I do

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anything able.
I said, well, the first thing

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you do is you bring in all the
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you know, that you're bringing
all all the video gear and they

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set it up.
You don't set up video game for

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thing, you know, you're, you're
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in.
You're covering up things with

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black cloth so that you can be
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working basically, but it gave
me the bug and that was one and

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I decided intense education as
well.

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You know, when you're when
you're on site, when those

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videos are happening and stuff,
you're learning the terminology,

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you're learning the people,
you're learning the equipment,

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you know?
It's that's high-value stuff

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obviously and then you see it,
you see it on TV and you realize

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that you were part of something
that's like now.

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High-end are top-notch you were
there when on the Rebel Yell

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video.
Yeah, I work in Rebel.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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They shine that video a thousand
times probably was in.

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It was in the movie Bay.
They actually the kids are in

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their little flop house and he's
staying at when he becomes an

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adult and they're watching it on
TV.

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Yeah.
So I would laughing.

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So yeah.
It's very common.

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Very well-known video.
Yeah.

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No, I mean, I remember when it
came out, I've seen it a

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thousand times since then, it's,
yeah, it's obviously.

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We part of my you cooked as you
say part of my you yeah, I heard

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that song about 400 times in two
days and they played it over and

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over and over again.
Well, imagine being him, he's

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like, in his, whatever, 70s now
or something and he's still

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gotta sing it every night, so
God bless them, you know?

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Yeah.
I've seen recent video of him

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and he still sounds and looks
like a like a rock star, you

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know, good for him.
It's still a badass.

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Yeah, so I mean that that gave
you like you said that probably

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gave you the bug to access more
video, get into more videos.

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So where'd that go like Well, I
was still working doing Scenic

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when when opportunities
presented itself and I was

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working as a freelancer for a
company called the theater

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machine, okay?
Woman named Pat Moser and we

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were on a job in the city, it
was called The Care Bears and

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strawberry shortcakes and it was
an industrial.

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But you know, it was like a
Broadway play, but it was only

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half hour long and had all the
scenery was like full-size

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scenery.
So we Built it all and installed

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it there and the people who did
the AV for the event was staging

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techniques.
Okay, as I mentioned a little

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piece of writing that I wrote,
it says we saw them there and

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they were wearing their there's
satin jackets, who they just

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looked really cool here.
Like, I mean, the other guy who

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worked with, we want to be in on
that, you know, how do we get in

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on that?
So then a friend of mine that I

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was working with at at the
Capital Theater and for John

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chair called me up and he had
two days of work as a freely,

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its Scenic car.
They're at stake techniques.

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Did I was I interested.
I said yes.

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So it worked and then it became
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And then the four days, the guy
who was in charge, there said,

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you can either have your check
mail, or you can come and pick

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it up.
And I just said, well probably

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come and pick it up, might be a
good idea.

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You know, it might be a good way
to get in on this.

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No and I had made friends with
Leon Chang, who's good friend

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and we hit it off.
And so, when I got there to pick

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up my check, The door opens this
Leon, he says fed his work, he

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says ask him about it, so I meet
Fred, we go up in the elevator

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to the office, to pick up the
check.

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And, and the way back down, I
said, holy and sacred work next

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week.
It's just yeah.

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So we go back over to where the
scenic shot was and he hands me.

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A key to the building and he
says, if you're in first make

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coffee.
Yeah.

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And I went and I was there for
11 years.

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Thanks Nicole.
Yeah.

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And eventually took over their
video department and that's how

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oh my goodness.
That's how I finally got into

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the Field.
They wanted to get into.

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Yes what I mean, you know,
there's a common sort of theme

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or thread on a lot of the
podcasts that I record

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especially with old school folks
like me like you where You know,

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and it's a certain type of
effort and an attitude and a

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say, yes attitude about
everything.

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Like, do you know how to do
this?

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Oh yeah.
I know how to do that and then

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you go and read the manual to
try and figure out how to do it,

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right?
But it seems like you have that

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same thing.
Like people you didn't bang on

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doors and Chase opportunities.
They came to you just because

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you were putting in such you
know, good work elsewhere and

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people notice that and when Hey,
let's grab that guy.

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You know, before somebody else
does Yeah.

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Well as a staffer, I always tell
the people that I work for the

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work with those, the Freelancers
I've always told him, you only

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have one job and that's to pick
up the phone and say yes.

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Yeah.
Obviously, as you were saying,

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you have to learn it.
You have to back it up.

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It's not enough to show up,
although that helps you show up

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on time and the old days, that
was everything.

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Now, apparently, not so much,
but see you show up on time.

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But then, at some point you're
gonna be tested.

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Yeah, gonna want to know if you
know how to do it.

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You know how to do it.
Everyone's gonna be like, whoa.

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You know what?
Yeah, we want that guy, like you

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said, that's becomes a thing.
Yeah, well, I mean, aside from

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all the safety, concerns and
compliance and all the different

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things, you know, I just, I
think it's too easy, you know?

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And I hate to say the younger
folks.

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Today it's not, it's not got
anything to do with age, it's

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attitude, right?
But I think it's too easy to

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say, no, no, that's not my like
everyone wants to stay in their

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Lane.
It seems not.

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Not everyone.
But there's a lot of people that

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really want to know.
No, that's not my job, that's

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that department.
Or that's that department or,

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you know, different Union or
whatever it is, right?

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Whereas yeah, that's always been
my MO is just, you know, you

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need help.
Let me figure it out, you know,

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I'll come and help you.
So I've been, I've been very

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fortunate, I work with, you
know, SSA management person.

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I work with a lot of younger
people who are excellent, who

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were meant mentees of mine that
I don't.

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There's one difference.
I noticed it's a lot easier to

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get work than it was in those
days in those days you didn't

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really had to beat the, you
know, the path to find anything.

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Yeah, now there's there's you
know, so much work out there and

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if you're halfway interested in
it you're going to find someone

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who's willing to hire you.
And then of course, the other

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side of it is they all want a
lot of money now.

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I don't blame them but it's like
when they, when I think of what

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I was working for back then, you
know, and it was even though

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obviously money was different.
Then yeah.

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You still wasn't a lot of money
back then.

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You know, they people acted like
they were doing you a favor to

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let you work in the business?
Yeah, yeah.

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Now it's that's very different
like, you know, right now it's a

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really bizarre world on how much
money people want today.

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Oh yeah.
And in some cases, they're worth

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it, you know, certainly in some
cases, they're worth that money,

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but in other cases, those
people, you know, a year from

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now, or I don't know what's
going to happen with the

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economy.
But at some point, those people

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might not Get the call because
people have a long memory in

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this business, you know, and you
know weren't you that guy who

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tripled your rate you know on
that next show to me and yeah,

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yeah.
Okay.

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Held my feet to the fire.
Yeah, you screwed me on that job

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because you got 50 bucks a day
more from the other guy or

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whatever.
Now, I mean, I've heard so many

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different stories, both on this
podcast and just friends of mine

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and stuff.
And, you know, I guess if the

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artists Making more money and
the lighting vendor and the

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video vendor and the sound
vendor are making more money

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than absolutely.
The people should be making more

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money to but my concern is
always, who's paying for this

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and, you know, today, it's the
person buying the ticket is

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paying for most of it, right.
I don't think that's going to

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last forever.
Like I just don't think we can

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fill stadiums and Arenas and
buildings.

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Like we are today for a, you
know, in the long I just don't

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see it, I don't know, I could
be.

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Well, that's the reason I that's
the reason I went into corporate

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because of course, I know who's
paying that.

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Yeah, I don't feel bad.
You know, I had at one time I

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was working Staffing and so it.
So, you know, ask you guys to

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know take a cut in pay for this
job, so we can land this job and

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they wanted me to like, cut
everyone, my five dollars an

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hour and it was the client was
like a Max or something.

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Yeah, I am.
I'm not going to ask my people

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to give up money for a Maxwell
because somebody screwed up and

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needs to cover their ass with a
budget cut somewhere else, you

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know?
Oh, yeah.

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I mean, that's, that's terrible.
So in the notes that you sent me

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prior, you sent a really
interesting comparison where you

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were comparing older audio
technology.

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That, you know, and I by the
way, I agree with this, you

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know, both lighting technology
and video technology.

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A heck of a lot faster in most
cases than audio you no audio I

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can think of two or three major
shifts in audio you know,

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obviously going from stacked
speaker, arrays to line arrays,

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from analog controls and
consoles and everything else to

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digital.
But beyond that, like a speaker

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is a speaker.
A microphone is a microphone,

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they don't change that much, but
you used a specific A story or,

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you know, just an anecdote or
whatever you want to call it

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around a microphone, a share
that with me.

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Yeah, absolutely researching.
I was doing a presentation at

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the school of audio engineering
and I was trying to tell the

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people there, know what a Vu is
all about.

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And so while researching that I
found out that the sm57 and the

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sm58 greatest microphone, In the
world.

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Yeah, initially, the fancy is
not necessarily the best, but

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definitely the greatest thing
they've done.

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The most shows.
They work the hardest.

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They're practically
indestructible.

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Yeah.
That the roots of those micro

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loans were from like 1937 and
then they were, you know,

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upgraded to the unit 93, which
was sitting at 50s.

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I believe, if I remember
correctly and that since then,

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they haven't changed at all.
Yeah.

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And, and the comparison was to
that and video technology.

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Ecology, would you like me to
continue that story because that

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is oh, no, absolutely.
It's all using story.

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So, when I was getting involved
with video, it's taking

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techniques, we had a job for IBM
and this is 90 January 1988 and

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we needed to project a single
image from a projector up to a

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screen.
And you know, we think everyone

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thinks like, well, that's
everyone.

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Does that, you know?
Like in those things you did

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computer graphics.
Books were just like bright

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colors and they were very basic.
They were the same rate as

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straight video and one of the
reasons what's up Ram.

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There wasn't a lot of ram.
So you couldn't really store

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images and stuff like that and
you know, and your video RAM.

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They didn't even really use
video RAM them.

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You couldn't store an image in
the ram, to put it up on the

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screen.
So right, they just develop this

448
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,400
technology and it was the IBM.
Ps/2 Model, 25, which had an

449
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,500
internal monitor.
Like the Oh Max, you know?

450
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,100
And so in order to get the image
out of, it didn't have any video

451
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:38,700
display and you couldn't plug
anything into it.

452
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:42,600
You had to take the ribbon cable
out from inside the inside the

453
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,700
computer and put another ribbon
Cable in that.

454
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,000
Also, had a breakout cable that
went to a computer interface and

455
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,600
the computer interface was
called a covid.

456
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,300
My goodness.
Yeah, ironically, yes.

457
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:59,100
And so you go to the covid and
then that would output RGB and

458
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,200
sink and then you would go to a
projector.

459
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,900
The only projector that they had
available that could do.

460
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:09,700
That was a 600.
Lumen 3-gun CRT projector man

461
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,600
obviously 600 lumens is very
dim.

462
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:17,400
Most commercial desktop you know
protectors nowadays at least

463
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,700
three or four thousand lumens
right?

464
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:22,500
Yeah.
And they CRT projector at three

465
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,900
different colors that had to be
aligned in a grid to make the

466
00:26:26,908 --> 00:26:28,700
image.
It took hours to just even get

467
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,300
an image on the screen.
I remember I used to have I've

468
00:26:31,308 --> 00:26:34,600
won under a coffee table in my
house.

469
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,900
Like it was a coffee table with
a built-in RGB projector

470
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,700
underneath that, that aimed at a
screen on the wall in the

471
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,100
picture was crap and it wasn't
very bright and I couldn't even

472
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,500
write literally in those days.
They had to turn off the lights.

473
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,000
Yeah.
Just to show any kind of image.

474
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:59,200
Yeah, so we ended up projecting
this at an IBM meeting and at

475
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,100
the time a color image coming
out.

476
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,200
Computer was unheard of so even
the executives and IBM had never

477
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,800
seen it.
This was all, you know,

478
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,700
laboratory stuff, they were just
developing.

479
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:15,600
So the guy who's the presenter
is at this meeting of IBM,

480
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Executives, in Atlanta, January
1988, and he points to the

481
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:25,700
little monitor on the actual
computer and he says and color

482
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:30,100
image of a photo can appear on
this screen and he points to the

483
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:32,500
little screen.
And the image pops up of a woman

484
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,700
wearing a hat.
Yeah, you may have even seen

485
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,400
this picture, it's a famous
still image.

486
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,800
Did you'll still image and the
entire audience goes like like

487
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,700
that.
And it goes and that image there

488
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,100
can appear on this screen here
and he points to the projection

489
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,600
screen and the image pops up on
the screen and buddy.

490
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,300
It's stands up instantaneously
and start to standing ovation.

491
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,500
Oh my goodness.
Oh my God, never seen anything

492
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:04,400
like that before.
So fast forward 15 years.

493
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:09,200
So now we're talking, this is
2002 to December, so almost

494
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,500
exactly 15 years and James
Cameron's Expedition.

495
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:18,400
Bismarck was being shown at the
national museum of natural

496
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,300
history for the Discovery
Channel.

497
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Okay.
And we showed a segment of it in

498
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,900
3D HD, which means full moving
images, you know, not only that,

499
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,100
but three days, so they Studio
projectors one.

500
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,100
Just doing the horizontal and
the other ones doing the

501
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,200
vertical and you are polarized
glasses.

502
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,500
So you can see it and those
projectors were twelve thousand,

503
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,200
lumens each?
Yeah.

504
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,700
Wow.
Nowadays all talk about but you

505
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,200
don't know.
They said was incredible.

506
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:52,200
Yeah, and so we showed that the
3D clip of the James Cameron's

507
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,900
movie up on the screen again,
Standing Ovation.

508
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:02,900
Brown son, goes to the feet
cheering and Applauding ends up

509
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:04,600
because they'd never seen
anything like that.

510
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,800
So as as the show ends, I'm
wrapping up cables over by my

511
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,300
station, breaking down
everything and some standard

512
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,100
wants to talk to me.
So I just give him like one of

513
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,600
the easier to hold on for a
minute.

514
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,600
And then I finish rolling.
Kate the cable up and I looked

515
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000
up and it's James Cameron.
Whoa.

516
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400
And he says, to me goes, it
looked good.

517
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:28,100
And I said, Thank you.
And that was the extent of our

518
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:32,600
conversation, but the point I
needed, I know the point being

519
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:38,800
between showing that single
image in 88 and doing 3D HD in

520
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:45,700
2002 was 15 years to poo.
And the to the industry had not

521
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,900
only taken off, but it had
exploded, you know?

522
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,700
And now, the incremental
increases in resolution, you

523
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:58,000
know, another Timmy actually do
8K fast forward to today.

524
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,800
And I mean, it's unbelievable
like between the media Over the

525
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
power of these media servers
that people are using the

526
00:30:04,808 --> 00:30:08,400
projection all being, you know,
laser projection.

527
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,600
And I mean if image mapping in a
woman's mapping, yeah, they some

528
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,400
of that mapping stuff just blows
me away like some of the outdoor

529
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,500
mapping jobs that are you just
blow me away.

530
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,200
You know, like I watch videos I
go down these rabbit holes of

531
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,100
videos of mapping projects
outside.

532
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,700
Side especially in Europe.
They get really big into that

533
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,100
stuff like a castle or something
like that.

534
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:39,100
Yeah solar and exacting in Paris
or something.

535
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:43,400
They love that stuff and it just
looks so cool but yeah I mean

536
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,700
the video technology continues
to just move at a crazy clip so

537
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,900
yeah I went oh it's out at
infocomm and I think it was 2019

538
00:30:53,700 --> 00:31:01,000
and I went and saw 8K
projection, an AK LED monitor

539
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:06,700
Yeah, and he Ka LED wall, you
know, of LED panels.

540
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,700
Yeah.
And and I came back to corporate

541
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:15,000
AV where I was working and I had
a training session and I was

542
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,500
doing nothing with 4K video and
I said, well, I'll explain them

543
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,000
myself with so they take a
projection.

544
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800
I saw this AK monitor, I say k
LED.

545
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Well, I said, now, you don't
have to worry about 8K, right?

546
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,900
At this moment that something in
the future.

547
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600
But what it does tell you is you
Have to worry about 4K.

548
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,700
And that's what that's what
we're seeing now.

549
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:36,900
You know, I have people
sometimes a me feed from a

550
00:31:36,908 --> 00:31:38,700
camera.
Oh can you put this up on the

551
00:31:38,708 --> 00:31:41,300
screen?
And I can't because the

552
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,200
projectors HD only and they're
giving me a camera that's

553
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:52,600
outputting 84k or UHD you know,
3840 by 2160 I can't put up on

554
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,400
the screen.
I'm sorry.

555
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,900
But I can't, you know, and it's
something that you have to be

556
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,900
aware of and it's important.
And yeah, yeah.

557
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,600
I'll tell you as a user, you
know, just like a consumer

558
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,900
individual video has been one of
the most frustrating things that

559
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:13,400
I've ever had to deal with in
that, you know, between, you

560
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,400
know, the different formats and
everything else.

561
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,400
But like, in my last house that
I had, I put a Crestron system

562
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,600
in.
This was in 2005, in 2005.

563
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,200
Crestron was still
state-of-the-art.

564
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,600
Right?
And I don't know maybe it is

565
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,700
again today, but it certainly
wasn't in between time but You

566
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,900
know, I put a Crestron system
and cost me a fortune, by the

567
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:36,800
time.
They finally finished the job,

568
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,600
like, eight months later, or
whatever.

569
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Because it was a new home, it
was new construction.

570
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,900
It was already basically
obsolete, like, half the stuff I

571
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:49,200
had.
There was a model to x dot for.

572
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,400
And I had the 2 x dot to, you
know, or whatever, right?

573
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:58,900
And and plus like there was new
technology coming online as far

574
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,300
as sources and those sources
were all He not compatible with

575
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,700
my Crestron system and I was
like, what the heck and then,

576
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,100
you know, just that you had to
call people every time

577
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,200
something, you know, you wanted
to add a component to it, you

578
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,900
had to call a programmer and get
them out to it, drove me nuts.

579
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:19,900
And, you know, now I have Sonos
and, you know, like cable

580
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:22,500
companies and stuff have figured
out how to stream things on

581
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,200
multiple TVs, and positraction,
travels across your house.

582
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,500
Wirelessly, you don't need any
of that stuff anymore.

583
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,500
Forget Crestron.
And I'm I'm sorry if they're,

584
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:34,600
you know, friends of yours in
there.

585
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Listening.
Who cares?

586
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,300
They piss me off.
I'll tell you I'll tell you what

587
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:44,200
I found out with like installs.
This is something that's really

588
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,200
come important to me recently.
And in all these locations, I go

589
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,600
to wear either.
You're going to try to upgrade

590
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
their facilities or there.
They want you to use their

591
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,600
existing facility.
Yeah, you know, is that there's

592
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,400
what I call institutional
Amnesia, and the people who were

593
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,800
there, When the is the equipment
was installed are no longer

594
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,300
there and and the people who
maintain this facility or

595
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:12,800
wherever you are have not done
due diligence to get the

596
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
information to keep the
information, so that they know

597
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,300
how all this gear works for
them.

598
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,400
New person is trained on this
gear, so that when you come in,

599
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,900
they know what they're doing.
So a lot of times, a lot of this

600
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:24,900
year's not useful anymore.
Yeah.

601
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:28,199
Because nobody knows how to use,
you know, and they're asking you

602
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,000
to like, you know, even like oh
can you just, you know?

603
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,900
Checked, you know, on the screen
and bringing your own projector

604
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:35,900
and stuff because they can't
figure out how to turn on their

605
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:37,400
own projectors that are in their
building.

606
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,900
Yeah, a lot of times they are
obsolete to, but you know, that

607
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,800
nobody knows anymore how to do
it and that's really a shame.

608
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,600
And it does go back to the
holding about, you know, valuing

609
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,400
people too because, you know,
saw that.

610
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,400
No one is indispensable.
Well, apparently you might be

611
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600
wrong because you just cost your
company a million dollars, you

612
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,500
know, by getting rid of this.
Yeah, no I think it's also the

613
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,700
pace.
At which things continue to

614
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,600
move, you know, it's like
manufacturers keep growing every

615
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,200
year over year over year over
year you know they don't want to

616
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,900
talk about an installation that
happened seven years ago.

617
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:13,500
They want to sell you a new
projector.

618
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,300
Absolutely.
And so I'm not blaming them.

619
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:19,800
I mean, that's just that's how
the world works.

620
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,200
That's Commerce, right?
But yeah, I mean, it is

621
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
challenging, and it's funny
because that exact story you

622
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,700
just said happened with me with
that house.

623
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,500
So after I sold the House.
They had already closed on the

624
00:35:32,508 --> 00:35:36,900
house, the buyer of the house
calls me and says, hey this

625
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,100
Crestron stuff that's in the
house, and I'm like, nope.

626
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:44,600
And he goes, excuse me.
And I said, I have no interest

627
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,000
in trying to figure it out
trying to talk you through it.

628
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,500
You know.
I'm not gonna be able to help

629
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,300
you with now, I'm sorry.
You're just going to have to

630
00:35:51,308 --> 00:35:53,600
find a contractor.
You know, if it were me I'd

631
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,400
replace it all.
I didn't charge you for it when

632
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,000
you bought the house so it was a
Dawson, get rid of it all you

633
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,200
know and and just go to
Something much simpler.

634
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,800
So, here we are.
That recently with the install

635
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,100
that little sound controller,
that ran the different rooms,

636
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:14,500
you have the wall controls and
like that, it shorted out, and

637
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,400
we're trying to find a report
first.

638
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,000
We send it out someplace that
they could repair it, you know,

639
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:23,200
you know, and they said they
looked at him, the manufacturing

640
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,500
got out of business.
They sold their part of the

641
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,800
business to somebody else.
No.

642
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,800
Miss looking to support this
product, you know.

643
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,500
So we've answered and said, they
could Pare teather like months.

644
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,500
They said, oh yeah, we're not
gonna be able to repair that.

645
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:38,500
Yeah, we finally found a used
one and installed it and it

646
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,800
worked, you know, and everyone
was happy, but I can't say how

647
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200
long that's gonna last.
Yeah, yeah.

648
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,800
Now it's true.
It's true.

649
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,800
And it's, you know, again I was,
I was part of the lighting

650
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:56,000
business on the manufacturer
side from 1991 until about 2002,

651
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,900
I guess, and that during that
time, That was sort of the

652
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:06,000
Heyday of automated lighting
going from just very light to

653
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,900
being, you know, Vera light plus
Martin and high-end and all of

654
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:15,800
these other companies and stuff
moved very very quickly, you

655
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,700
know, and it was like, you know,
you'd sell somebody a light and

656
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,900
actually the technology didn't
move as fast as it is today in

657
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,900
some cases because with LEDs.
Now, you know, they're

658
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,200
constantly finding ways to make
brighter chips or better this or

659
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,000
better color rendering Enduring,
or whatever it is, or they add a

660
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,400
lime chip, in to make, you know,
new colors or whatever.

661
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,100
I'll try pilot.
It's a big one.

662
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,700
The ultraviolet is another one.
And so, it just seems like, what

663
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,500
used to be like a lifespan or a
good rental.

664
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:51,900
Span on a fixture of like, 7 8,
9 years now has become like five

665
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,900
years, you know, and it's only
hot for two years where it used

666
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,300
to be hot for four or five
years, you know.

667
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,900
So like you know, companies up
by you, I remember Bash.

668
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,300
Bought like intelli beings
really really early.

669
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:08,000
They bought like hundreds of
intelli beams and they rented

670
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,700
them for probably 10 12 years.
I'm sure prg bought them when

671
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:16,500
they bought bash, you know?
So I was working it.

672
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:20,900
I was working at a corporate AV
and we were sending out going

673
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:25,000
sending a driver out to pick up
some rentals at Altman and

674
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,400
absent-mindedly.
I told you I oh yeah I just have

675
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,000
to go to the bash.
He's like what's best?

676
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,200
No, no, and apparently Altman's.
No longer renting here in the

677
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,600
New York area.
Either say well, they moved to

678
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,400
like Denver or something.
Yeah, everybody that's the

679
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,700
sales, I believe, but yeah,
everything changes.

680
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,300
Yeah, no dings people continue,
you know, I was talking about

681
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,700
saving techniques now, Randy
will passed away speaking.

682
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:54,100
Want to mention somebody's name
and he had been one of the guy

683
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,500
likes of stating for many years,
right?

684
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,500
And the end up closing the New
York office.

685
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,300
Now, you know, Seattle still.
Out there and they're still

686
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,800
doing jobs for Microsoft and
such like that and Seattle.

687
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,500
And I'm sure they probably doing
very well, you know, but that

688
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,700
was a major transition to, you
know, like a lot of these

689
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:17,600
companies that I grew up working
for, don't exist anymore.

690
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,400
Yeah, you never worked at World
stage at all to do.

691
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaking of we did.
I worked there for eight.

692
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,500
Well, it was sharp at the time,
but I worked there for eight

693
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,600
days.
Wow.

694
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:30,500
And they said it wouldn't last.
Exactly.

695
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:37,400
There's a guy that worked at a
corporate EV that only lasted a

696
00:39:37,408 --> 00:39:40,100
week and some debts.
He's the gold standard there,

697
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,500
very funny.
No like oh wow, hopefully you'll

698
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:43,900
make it longer than Rudy you
know.

699
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,500
But yeah I wish I was there
working part-time, you know,

700
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:51,200
freelance and they told me well
if you get it, you know, a

701
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,300
full-time offer, let us know,
you know.

702
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,300
All right you know I want to
make days later it's like I got

703
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,300
a full-time offer.
Like all right.

704
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,900
See you know it's like Fine,
bye-bye.

705
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,600
That's wild.
Yeah.

706
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,000
Yeah.
That's I was talking to somebody

707
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,700
about world stage yesterday and
You know, it's a terrible story.

708
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,100
I mean, so many of those stories
are terrible.

709
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:17,300
It's, you know, it's one of my
pet peeves about our industry

710
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:21,500
being so propped up by private
Equity right now and, and debt,

711
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,300
you know, debt being a big one.
Yeah, but you know, like you

712
00:40:24,308 --> 00:40:28,000
were just talking about video
like video is a tough one

713
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,500
because you buy it a video
projector, you know, five years

714
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:36,000
later, you sell it for call it
twenty thousand dollars, but the

715
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,100
new one to replace it is
120,000.

716
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,200
And then you repeat that same
process over and over again and

717
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,600
you hope you're making enough
money on the rentals to make

718
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,200
that worthwhile.
But you know, as far as an

719
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,500
asset, just a buy and sell
asset.

720
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:55,100
It doesn't look real good on the
books because the value has

721
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,100
dropped.
So heavily by the time you sell

722
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,000
it.
Well, that's why a lot of the

723
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,900
people I know work rely on
companies, like rent X and

724
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,800
Nationwide for Led walls or
video projectors.

725
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,100
Because, you know, they're
always going to have the top

726
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,000
notch latest.
Greatest.

727
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:14,000
And if you try to pursue that
and you try to, you know, keep

728
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,100
keep up with that.
You're gonna, you're gonna go

729
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:19,900
into data, set is painful
process and as we learn from,

730
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:21,500
you know, the pandemic.
Yeah.

731
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:25,900
Anybody who was left hanging out
with debt and in 2020.

732
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,700
Yeah, well, they got screwed.
I got screwed.

733
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,400
Of course because they weren't,
there was no money coming in for

734
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,900
at least a year, you know, and
and you're hoping all, I have

735
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,800
this new great LED wall.
That's gonna make me a fortune,

736
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,400
you know, and everybody's going
to A new ship, you know, and

737
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,300
it's .7 bitch.
You know dot b dot pitch and

738
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:50,300
everything is like no.
You just bought the most

739
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,200
expensive boat anchor in the
world because by the time it

740
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,300
came back out from the other end
there was something new out.

741
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:59,600
Yeah.
Why I won't mention any names,

742
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,300
but I spoke with one company.
In particular that took delivery

743
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,500
on a huge amount of stuff.
It was, you know, five six

744
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,500
million dollars.
For a small privately funded

745
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,000
company to take dead on 2 by 6
million dollars.

746
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,900
Worth of gear was really
difficult.

747
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,900
But, you know, he did it because
it made sense for their future

748
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:24,000
and 2020 was projected to be a
record year for them.

749
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,700
And so he took on this, this
really difficult debt.

750
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:34,500
Got the product so by the
beginning or middle of 21, a new

751
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:40,600
model came out of that product.
And so now not only His road

752
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,700
cases never opened or used, you
know, because the product was

753
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,500
still brand new, but now there
was a newer version.

754
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:51,500
So what he bought call it ten
thousand dollars was now worth

755
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:54,700
$5000.
He hadn't even started paying

756
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:57,200
for it yet, you know?
I mean it was just like such a

757
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,700
terrible story, you know, just
as sad sad story.

758
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:04,000
So yeah.
I mean that's why there's so

759
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,600
much private equity in our
industry.

760
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,500
Now is because if you want to
compete with companies like Ian

761
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:13,100
wide or like for wall or like
you know, the the Behemoth

762
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,900
companies.
So, low-tech prg, if you want to

763
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:20,100
compete with those companies,
you know, the biggest difference

764
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,900
between you and them isn't
necessarily the quality of your

765
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:27,400
people, or your ability to do
the job, it's the gear, you

766
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,500
know?
And and they have in some cases,

767
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,700
they have access to endless
supplies of capital to buy gear

768
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:37,900
and you don't.
And so, you either have to go

769
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,300
out and cross ran it, which
makes it more difficult for you

770
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:45,500
to be competitive, or, you know,
or you gotta, you know, put your

771
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:49,900
house in hock, you know, and go
buy the gear on some kind of

772
00:43:49,908 --> 00:43:52,800
credit or whatever.
But it's a challenging

773
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:55,600
challenging business when you're
competing against heavily,

774
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:02,900
funded private Equity backed
companies, But to get back to

775
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:08,800
the sm57 in the sm58, that is
the key by the stuff that will

776
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,600
stay the same by drape.
Yeah, drape is going to stay the

777
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,000
same, you know, by screams now,
yes, they went from 4:3 to 16:9,

778
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,200
but other than that, they
haven't really changed that

779
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,300
much.
So that was a big change.

780
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,900
Yeah.
But by things that won't change

781
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:26,400
and rent the rest because
otherwise you're going to have

782
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,600
last year's model.
Anyhow, I had that as a snack,

783
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,800
same conversation also
Yesterday.

784
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,200
So somebody setting up a company
and they're setting it up, not

785
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,900
based on buying, a whole bunch
of hardware.

786
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,200
On the expensive side, they're
buying the infrastructure,

787
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,800
they're buying cabling, they're
buying, you know, all of the

788
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
infrastructure stuff like you
said screen guessing get trucks,

789
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,500
you know, yeah, truck.
Yeah, I heard drivers.

790
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:52,600
You know?
Exactly.

791
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,600
Yeah.
And, you know, and then text

792
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,300
about it, everyone's using
Freelancers for the most part.

793
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:03,300
Nowadays, you know.
But that has been Yeah, it's

794
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:06,700
back and forth and everyone
says, oh well you know I can pay

795
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:09,300
this guy this much and I can
charge this much today for him.

796
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,000
It's worth having him on Snap.
Yeah.

797
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,300
Until until the pandemic hits,
you know and then the other one

798
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:16,800
is like well I only hire people
when I need them.

799
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,100
So you know, I can pay them
whatever they want as long as I

800
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,700
can build more to the client
than what I'm paying them.

801
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,100
Yeah, but it's very alluring
though.

802
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,400
When when you're looking at one
job, like, let's say you own a

803
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,300
small video shop and somebody
wants Us to rent an LED screen

804
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:37,400
and, you know, you're looking at
the numbers and you're going.

805
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,100
Okay, wait.
This job is an eight-week rental

806
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:45,000
that's going to pay for 50% or
40% of the cost of the screen.

807
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,300
So yes, I have to come up with a
million dollars to buy this

808
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:53,100
screen, but it's going to be 40
percent paid for, you know, I

809
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:57,200
need to do this instead of just
taking your profit and running

810
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
on one where your cross renting
it and you're going to make 20

811
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,500
30.
On top of the Cross rental or

812
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:05,400
whatever.
And so what happens is, then

813
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,800
that job cancels in two weeks or
something, you know?

814
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:13,400
And now, the math doesn't work
quite the same as it did or, you

815
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,700
know, something else happens,
inevitably things happen, right?

816
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:19,500
So, yeah, it's a difficult
Choice.

817
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:24,400
Well, that used to be even more
prevalent, because you knew

818
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,500
that, you know, 5 or 10 days in
this thing is going to be paid

819
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:28,800
for it.
You can't charge that kind of

820
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,600
money anymore.
Tend to get this, you know, like

821
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,700
attend a rental on this is paid
for it and now they say that's

822
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:38,600
not the story.
Yeah, yeah.

823
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,100
No.
It's very, very true.

824
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,900
It's used to be a big guy used
to be big motivator.

825
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,700
The people would like, okay, I
can make most of my money back

826
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:48,500
on this purse, right?
Oh, you know.

827
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:51,000
Yeah, it's kind of like, if you
people said you have this stuff,

828
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,700
you say, yes and you don't
really have it, but you're

829
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,900
already getting quote for it,
you're ready to, you know, buy

830
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:58,300
it if they confirm.
Yeah.

831
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,000
So there they want you to tell
it.

832
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,700
Tell them that you Me and you
tell them to have it and you

833
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:06,000
want to buy it, but you can't
buy it till they could firm.

834
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,100
And it's me like a catch-22.
It's or they show up in your

835
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,600
shop like two hours later and
go.

836
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,900
Okay, show it to me.
Oh no, it's out on a job.

837
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:15,900
I don't have to tell course,
which show, I'll go over and see

838
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,600
it.
Oh no, no, it's out of state.

839
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,600
And now your life just keeps
getting worse.

840
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,900
Well that it never helps to lie
unless you have to in which case

841
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,700
just don't blink you know that
yeah sort of like poker right?

842
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,500
the one I am one with said
something similar is like a lens

843
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:40,300
or something, cause we're going
to be a rental company and the

844
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
somebody needs their two of the
same lenses for like a month.

845
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:47,300
These people have one for one
day.

846
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,600
Yeah.
Let it go.

847
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,200
And say hey it never came back
you know like we're still

848
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,100
waiting for them to return it.
Yeah, I was lying but tell him

849
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:57,600
you know that.
Yeah, we really value this other

850
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,500
random more than your rental is
this worse.

851
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,100
Like yeah.
You know that then you're like

852
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:04,200
kind of insulting them in.
Yeah, kind of yeah.

853
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:08,300
So over the years you moved from
literally the stage where you

854
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:14,600
were a performer To sort of the
show production side of things

855
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,400
to the shop where I think you
still are today like along the

856
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,500
way, do you miss the past?
Like when you when you go from

857
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:27,500
the stage to the production side
of it you know go from the front

858
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,400
of the stage to behind the
stage.

859
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,500
You know do you miss being on
the stage when you go from the

860
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:34,500
production side to going into
the shop?

861
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,400
Do you miss going out on
Productions?

862
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,300
You know what I mean?
Yeah, well I think I I've done

863
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:42,400
almost every position in the
industry.

864
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,400
I've been to salesperson?
Yeah, I've been a on-site

865
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,400
technician.
Yeah, I've been in the

866
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,200
warehouse.
I've been, you know, operations,

867
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,400
I've run organizations like
that.

868
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,600
I've never really been a driver.
I had my own HD company for a

869
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,000
while, but it wasn't highly
successful.

870
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,500
So, I don't know how, you know,
I guess I was an owner so they

871
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:07,000
count sort of.
Yeah.

872
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:10,800
But I find that what?
It really makes me.

873
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,400
Feel best is if I can work a
balance between working in the

874
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,400
office and going out on shows
once in a while.

875
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,300
Yeah, going on show all the time
you would get beat up you know

876
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:25,400
it's a rough life.
It is it's not a life or a

877
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,100
geezer like us.
A person's life is you're doing

878
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,800
all kinds of weird hours, you
know, and this one's a Morning

879
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,700
Show so you get a 6 a.m. and it
doesn't lunch and you're already

880
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:38,400
breaking down by two in the
afternoon.

881
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:42,400
But this one goes in at 190, we
Art 27.

882
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,800
It's not over till 11:00 and
you're probably not going to get

883
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,200
home till like 4:00 or 5:00 in
the morning, you know.

884
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,300
So that becomes rough.
Now you're doing it once in a

885
00:49:50,308 --> 00:49:53,400
while, it's great.
Yeah, and if you work in the

886
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,100
office all the time, same thing
it's mundane and it's, you know,

887
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:02,300
drudgery and it starts to wear
down on you everyday, go ahead

888
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:07,000
and out and how, you know.
And so either one is too much at

889
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,300
some points of doing, both of
them is really the best of both,

890
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:11,100
right?
Yeah.

891
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,400
I still we have other guys that
corporate TV.

892
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,500
We have a band.
We actually go out and play

893
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,800
music in public sometimes it's
cool.

894
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:25,000
What kind of music is Americana?
You know, rock the younger guys.

895
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,300
It's cool because it's a
multi-generational young guys.

896
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:30,800
Do a lot of 90s and 2000 type
music.

897
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,800
You know, what do you mean?
Indie pop.

898
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,400
I grew up listening to the
Grateful Dead.

899
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,100
No, but what do you play with
instrument?

900
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:40,100
I play Blues Harmonica.
Okay.

901
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:45,700
Some vocals.
Yeah, I've done that since I was

902
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,200
teenager.
So huh, I'm actually pretty good

903
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,600
at it yet.
Cool.

904
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,500
That's fine.
Interesting.

905
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,700
So I mean, this has been a lot
of fun.

906
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,400
I have enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed getting to know you

907
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,800
and hear about your past and
stuff.

908
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,600
So I got this thing that I like
to do at the end of every, every

909
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,800
one of my podcast sort of on a,
you know, I'm from the gear

910
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:11,600
space so kind of what's your
go-to gear and so three pieces,

911
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,400
Of gear that you've got to take.
Or you've got to put on every

912
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,000
show that goes out the door.
That's right.

913
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,700
Interesting.
All right.

914
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:23,200
Well I'm gonna deviate a little
bit but I'm a projection guy.

915
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,700
Do you know?
I'm okay with flat screens.

916
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,300
And I'm okay with LED walls.
I love to work with the

917
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,600
projector.
I do that, I do some theater

918
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:36,300
stuff for four, shows in the
city and I love to do anything

919
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:37,800
with the projector on it.
Yeah.

920
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,700
If I could, I would take a pair
of pants, you know.

921
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:44,200
Obviously if you're doing a big
show you want the biggest and

922
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,800
brightest you know that you can
possibly get in the warehouse or

923
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,800
bread.
Into whatever.

924
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Yeah, and you want to blow blow
a hole through the screen but

925
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:53,800
these, the little projectors are
fun for like the theater stuff.

926
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,400
And somebody says though,
because she could carry them in

927
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,800
your hand, you can slap him down
anywhere, you can throw them up

928
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,100
on the screen.
So we're on a wall.

929
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:05,400
Yeah, you know, and so I do like
that as well.

930
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,700
I like that little toy
protector.

931
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:12,400
So yeah, they have, I wanted a
corporate equal, the IP 4700,

932
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,200
which is forty seven, hundred
Lumen, which almost 5,000.

933
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:17,000
So, it's pretty bright.
Yeah.

934
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,100
Lot brighter than the 600.
Yeah.

935
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,900
Lumens that really is back when
incredible.

936
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,500
Yeah.
Why you hate us?

937
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:25,400
Look, it's good.
Look at flat screens.

938
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,600
You just mentioned flat screens
but it blows my mind every time

939
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,900
I go to Costco, you know,
because again I'm an old guy.

940
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:33,800
I remember the first plasma I
bought.

941
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,700
It was a 42-inch Panasonic and I
think it really depends.

942
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,200
Well, it was for my house,
right?

943
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:43,100
And I think I paid about 7,500
bucks for it.

944
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,600
Oh yeah.
And I know they were more than

945
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,300
that at one point but But 7,500
bucks for a freakin like 70

946
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:54,700
pound Panasonic that wasn't that
great looking to begin with.

947
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:59,500
And and now you're going to
Costco and you can get like a

948
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:04,400
freaking 85-inch.
You know, LED that looks kick

949
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,500
ass and it's HD 4K.
And it's like less than a

950
00:53:07,508 --> 00:53:09,500
thousand bucks or whatever, you
know.

951
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Yeah, I bought.
I bought a 42 recently for my

952
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,900
living room and I paid 181 died.
Oh, it's incredible, isn't it?

953
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,000
And Looks way better than the
one that I had.

954
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,300
I'm sure of it, you know, and
it's probably got built-in

955
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:25,900
Netflix or something, you know,
I had nothing built in.

956
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:30,300
So all right, so getting back to
what I would bring on a show

957
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,200
nowadays.
One of the keys I'm if it's at

958
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,700
all possible, I'd like to be a
projector show ya.

959
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:39,900
Then one of the other things
nowadays, you have to have

960
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:44,800
converters, you have to be able
to convert from hd-sdi to HDMI

961
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,000
and you have to be able to
convert maybe Brands and models.

962
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,700
Eels and stuff.
If you can well the decimator is

963
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:55,000
very popular unit.
The Asha makes a high five and a

964
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,700
half five and those are also
available in 4k and 3G and

965
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:02,100
everything but you gotta have
those.

966
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:04,800
Yeah.
Go anywhere without some night

967
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,100
theatrics makes a nice one and
there's a one-way only, the and

968
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:12,500
so is the eyes of with the
decimator good, because you're

969
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:15,800
too way, okay?
You can go from HDMI to 80s.

970
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,300
The I go from HDS.
STI to HDMI and even make one

971
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:21,300
that has a built-in scalars.
Nice.

972
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,800
No just your levels and
framerates stuff like that.

973
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:29,900
So that is critical nowadays you
know and also DA's of course you

974
00:54:29,908 --> 00:54:32,700
know the extra on 3G da is very
nice.

975
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,100
Distribution.
Amplifier is you're going to go

976
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:38,000
to multiple screens nowadays.
Everybody's got to have here and

977
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,800
there over there and over here.
Yeah, so flow signal flow

978
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,600
becomes really, the key, you
know, it's getting out of

979
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,700
whatever unit you have a
switcher.

980
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:50,900
Or a laptop and then getting
into the distribution of a fire

981
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:53,900
and then getting into all the
different screens whether

982
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:57,700
they're HD SDI inputs or HDMI
inputs, most of the flat screens

983
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:02,900
or HDMI and, yeah, the
projectors are hd-sdi and it's

984
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:04,900
matter of mastering that signal
flow.

985
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,000
And so you have to have lots of
toys.

986
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,300
Yeah.
And you will be use any media

987
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,200
servers or is that more for rock
and roll shows.

988
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,900
It's funny you should mention
it.

989
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:16,900
I am actually a media server
guy.

990
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,400
From way back when I was talking
about the doing the 3D HD for

991
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,200
James Cameron and 2002.
Those were qubit servers.

992
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,500
They literally had to sink
together to play because you

993
00:55:29,508 --> 00:55:32,700
could play Both Sides.
You know, that have to match up

994
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,300
frame for frame.
And so that was human, was one

995
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:39,200
that they were using for digital
cinema at the time.

996
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:43,100
So I learned how to do that.
I actually did a version of back

997
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:46,900
then of Quadrophenia with a Vela
server.

998
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:51,000
The quad decoder, which output
at the four screens at the time.

999
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,900
So and then nowadays, everything
is done on playback Pro for

1000
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:57,000
video playback, which is sort of
like server.

1001
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,100
It's, you know, Mac and it has a
software named.

1002
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,700
You load all the clips,
everything's done with clams.

1003
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:05,000
I mean, you know, obviously I'm
not using video decks, you know?

1004
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:09,400
And so everything's a clip it at
one point or not a nowadays.

1005
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,500
But that's something like I
said, I've been doing for over

1006
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:15,300
20 years, I wrote articles for
TV, technology magazine, about

1007
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,300
servers and stuff like that.
So, Wow.

1008
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,100
Yeah, I don't even think about
it anymore.

1009
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:22,400
I did the Grass Valley.
Turbo I was using that like 10

1010
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,300
15 years ago, huh?
Is that in Serbian service for

1011
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:28,300
over 20 years?
You can do a nice a while.

1012
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Yeah, yeah, he's that's why
maquis.

1013
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:37,900
And we have now verified
verified Geezer.

1014
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,600
Well, I'd be on your show.
Yeah.

1015
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:44,100
Well, I very much appreciate you
coming on and taking the time to

1016
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:48,800
do this and I've enjoyed getting
to know you and I had a great

1017
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,800
time.
Yeah.

1018
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:53,000
Yeah.
And you know cool I mean reach

1019
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,000
out if I can ever help you with
anything obviously and

1020
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:59,400
appreciate and yeah it's been
fun.

1021
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,600
I'll point the point people
you're way too.

1022
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,400
If some comes I appreciate it
and I will I'll send you a link

1023
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,900
to the finished product to the
podcast.

1024
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:14,500
It'll go up later today and then
also will tag you on socials and

1025
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:16,700
stuff.
So, of course, and I will share

1026
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:18,500
with you.
Perfect.

1027
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,600
It's wonderful.
Well thank you Jim.

1028
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,300
You have an amazing rest of your
week and I appreciate you being

1029
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,300
on.
Thank you so much.