#192 - Brad, Marcel and Rane Renshaw go FULL GEARHEAD and discuss the Moving Light March Madness too!

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5:14 So you'll May finally have You'll finally have better than dial-up still internet service. Will's amazing. We'll see ya 2023. Brad. Come on now. Come on. No. Well in the red leaves in the stick cousin, can. Yes, exactly. Exactly. You know, I actually remember, like, I remember when I used to have to travel to Italy all the time to go to the comb our Factory and I remember actually connecting, you know, to the telephone wire with my computer and it All that noise and connecting to the modem. You know, dial-up internet. When you say dial-up internet to Guys Like Our Guest today, they're like what, you know, it's it's a little bit predating, some of these people and he's laughing at us right now.

6:02 We can see him in the green room. So so yeah. I mean, we actually did have to use phone lines to connect to the internet and you had to sort of unplug the phone in the hotel room and plug it into your computer with a big fat adapted. After. And and then you had to go find the phone number from my EarthLink thing that they gave me all the phone numbers to dial into. And I mean, it was pretty unbelievable. There is this thing floating around the, the internet. Right now, that's mostly geared towards people my age. So in there, like mid-30s that American Girl dolls, you know, the like dolls that you get, when you're a kid and all the girls love and things were boys, whoever, whatever, but the doll company based on a historical.

6:46 Rick figure line that is 90s dolls, so they've got like outfits and stuff. And there's a, you know, an old CRT monitor computer and dial-up internet like the, you know, an old layers. And and everybody's raving of course that, you know, they go find the skirt from their closet that they still own, and that's hilarious. Yeah. You know, I love that Nostalgia stuff and it's getting hot right now. Like I mean, people are spending real money on it on like 70s and 80s and 90s stuff. So, One of my neighbors here is rebuilding a the same car that was my first car which was a 1971 Datsun B210 station wagon and you're going to have to Google it. And it was in it was in baby blue. It's probably the ugliest car you've ever seen and one of my neighbors has one in his driveway that he's completely redoing and it's got like 400 and something horsepower in it. You know, he's making it a crazy car. But but yeah, it's just funny.

7:50 How people are really getting into that old nostalgic stuff. Loads of turntables, I have lots of friends who have turned tables and record collections again and stuff. Not like DJ spinning, turntables, but just listening to like, Led Zeppelin on a on a turntable instead of a MP3 or CD or whatever. Uh-huh. So so anyways, we have our guests waiting. We should probably go ahead and allow view into this one. Yeah. So we have a really exciting guests for those of you that don't know him, this guy runs a really cool Channel and does a really cool thing during the month of March, in particular, that we're going to talk about today. So with that, we will bring on rain Renshaw from Limelight wired, so 8 rain, thanks for joining us, the man, the myth, right?

8:40 That's right, that's right, yeah, maybe I'm a, I'm a big, big follower of the podcast, so fun, thank big follower, we have like 12 followers. You have 12,000. So come on, we know. Big molding is your big where the follower and your think you're a quality over quantity situation, you know, that's right. Yeah. So your green background and purple glasses are kind of freaking me out a little bit. I know they're fogging up out here. Oh, is it? Yeah, you're in Miami to, right? I'm in Palm Beach, but here in Miami, I think. Yeah, I'm down here Miami and South Beach.

9:21 It's crazy right now. Real busy. Yeah. Oh right it's it's Ultra week. It is my musically Ultras going on the whole anything that could be going on is so it's fun. It's fun. But chaotic. Yeah, I don't have you slept have you slept in the past couple days? Yesterday was my first day to sleep in a while? But, you know, we're gearing up burning long but you know, you guys know, like the worst is always the best, you know. Yeah. Course. Well, I'm you don't complain you know and when we know the other side of all this so well. Sorry, I interrupted you someday. I'll fix this for the benefit of those listening, then, don't know who you are.

10:14 Can you talk about your company and what you guys do a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. And you know just interrupt me if I chop up to and we can get it all reset but you're on fine. Limelight wired is just you know, I have a hard time putting a name or a label on it because essentially what it is just kind of. I'd like it to grow into a brand that people programmers designers technicians in the field can kind of relate to Across the different markets of our industry, whether that be architectural, or concert or theatrical, or educational, or even, you know, Experimental. You know, we you know a lot of times we get pigeonholed into little sectors of our craft and we don't realize how much we have in common with, you know, the other sectors. And so essentially what I'm trying to build here is a community where we can all cross-pollinate ideas and knowledge and story.

11:07 That's accept fantastic idea. I mean, some of my favorite designers are people who have sort of crossover, you know, they've been architectural, lighting designers, Other rock and roll lighting designers, or their rock-and-roll designers, who now do architectural work, and just sort of that blend of experiences and knowledge and stuff. Just makes for a really cool design. Yeah. Well, it's very cool and your content is good. For any of you who haven't seen rain is on, well, I should say Limelight wired, although that is rain, it is more than just rain, right? But that is on Instagram. It's on Facebook, it's on.

11:48 All the major social channels, but I think Instagram is your most prominent. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, that's where a large spaces and we've grown. We've grown to our own app to that is married to our website. But, you know, any, you can download our app, you can find us on all the major socials, you can find us on YouTube and, you know, just creating content that works for that particular platform. You know, it's all experimental is all changing, you know. Next year, Instagram will be different than it was this year so you know there's you know, there's no rules. It's just we're trying. That we're trying to be a place that's putting out content. That lighting designers and programmers are thirsty for. Yeah, no, absolutely.

12:33 Hey, Corey thanks for joining us and everybody else watching, I appreciate you guys taking the time. So we're talking with rain, rain shot them at Limelight. Wired, tell us why rain people should care about your content, right? Like, you're a lighting guy right in a designer. What do you do when you're not just making content? Well, I think it's easy to, you know, at least a little bit of my full-time background aside from this is Club lighting and I can get personally really tunnel-visioned into the same gear in the same console in the same, you know, kind of programming style that I do and that works for me and that sometimes the need to go out and look for what's new on the market.

13:15 Or, you know, what's trendy or, you know, new ways that people are using technology is not Always there, right at. So having an outlet that's kind of putting that content in front of me, was something that I was searching for myself and just started kind of creating the content. You know, that I that I was, you know, that I was personally searching for because I was interested in, you know, continuing the grow, my knowledge of the equipment that was out there. Yeah, I mean, to me, there's a small stuff and lots of things. Go ahead. There's there's a definite Definite comparison between you and like Christian Jackson of course because he's another social media Phenom. You know our industry has never been super big on social media except to bitch about politics or, you know, to complain about a lighting vendor or whatever it is. But Christian probably started just a little before you maybe and and builds a pretty big following much more. I would say Christians a little more serious and a little more. Or on the educational front.

14:22 Like he's really getting into how to stuff on consoles and stuff whereas yours is more about, let's have some fun and you know do some cool shit. So not that he doesn't do cool shit. He's done some really cool stuff like you know, I love his lighting shootout thing where where you know they lined up old lighting fixtures on the other side of the lake and actually got big guns and shot at them. Yeah, Cookie Monster. You know, when you listen to him, talk about his processes and doing what he does, he he was really, you know, a Pioneer in the way of like I'm going to put out my knowledge out here and I'm not putting it out for a way for you to copy. I'm opening up a dialogue and I want people to say, oh, that's a cool way that I could apply.

15:18 And I'm doing, and you could incorporate it into a workflow. He kind of was the first person to put out software-based videos, tutorial videos that were more conversational than the Right. You know, I mean from the manufacturer telling you what the syntax should be, you know, it was kind of exciting for me and definitely you know inspirational because people weren't really doing that before him. I mean they you know yeah but first person that was like very loudly saying like look throw your work out there, you know if you know if you're if you're good we're all going to make each other better fun and you know not to make this the Chris Jackson Christian Jackson show. But the funny thing is he's so shy.

15:59 Why, you know, like, he's so out there and he's got, you know, 60,000 followers or whatever. He's up to now, but he's so shy. And so it's so weird because he's such an introvert. But he's so, you know, out there in space and stuff. And I got a crack up when you call somebody a Pioneer and they're like in their 20s or whatever. Right. So, you know, maybe me being the old guy on The call here. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. We'll explain. We'll catch up. Yeah, it's all good. It's all good and I think I could figure it out. So, You know, I don't I don't know where Brad is going with his topics here or anything, but I definitely want to jump into this moving like Madness thing that you're knee deep into right now and you know, I love it it's probably one of the first things where I really took notice of you and I don't know if it was just last year or maybe it was the year before but you know I was like what is this?

17:01 And I'm not a basketball guy but obviously I get it and And just love what you did there. You know I just I think it's a fantastic tie into something that everybody's paying so much attention to right now and just kind of grabbing on the coattails of the, you know, the whole March Madness. Final four thing. So how's that going for you? It's been fun man. You know when in the early years I was just searching for a way to kind of like get people to notice me and thought I thought one day, well what if I just, you know, Put it up to the people to decide what the best moving light on the market was, you know, because there's a lot of awards out there and I'm not diminishing, any of them, but we all know that getting an award comes with asterisks in some places. You know what I mean?

17:48 And I was like, I've had many of those asterisks. We spent more money on a boot than you did. We get it? All I'm saying is that when it comes to putting these pictures up against each other and people are literally voting and that's how its decided you know it's engaging. I mean it's fun like you mentioned earlier, it's not completely serious, there's retro lights in there. There's fan favorites, the Viper still in there and relevant and it's still hanging in there. You know, we it's down to the final eight fixtures in the Viper. Still got a following that will push it past four rounds so, you know, it's a it but what I think, what are What are they? We have the mega point, the original Sharpie, The Spider, and the Mac, or a pixel the jdc, one color strike and the Mac Ultra performance and the Viper.

18:49 Did I say the Viper twice? No idea. Yeah, but it's posted on my Instagram. You can check it out at lime. I wired the park him with the loose bolt is gone. Tell me God bless the first round heartbroken. It's not so, but it's fun, you know, that emulates as you know, March Madness as much as I can, there's four brackets. I break them up into fixture, type to make it fun and you know, at least at the beginning, you have some Sort of like Merit to vote on a light against each other, right? And and you know at the end of the at the end of the month, we get to Crown a winner which has never been anything other than the Robie Mega point so far, so maybe if it wins Higher, how do people vote?

19:44 People vote by going to my Instagram story and every day matchups. Cool man that I gotta vote. But I got to vote between you and Brad. Who's got the worst internet, you guys are both in and out. Maybe you're sharing a phone line. That's right, baby. So it's not sponsored by manufacturers at all. All right, so they're not paying for like they're in trees or anything like that. No, no manufacturers. That I have a great relationship with. We kind of talked about if there's something that they would like me to include this year, but I, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is included. There's lots of times that there's products that don't necessarily fit or, you know, you know that I post on my story and people submit their favorites. You know, I try to include champions from last year, they're automatically seated much like a tournament would be a note there.

20:48 Automatic placement and no guarantees other than winning. Yeah, and just winning is winning, do anything, like are these. They're not seeing bumps in sales or popularity or anything. I don't think. So, the most fun is is the first couple rounds when you just get to kind of see fixtures, you didn't even know existed and you're like, oh I don't know. So-and-so had a moving baton. That was IP rated. Yeah, yeah. Now it's a cool concept. It's a lot of fun and a good thing to participate in. So you said you vote on Instagram, which is great and it runs the whole month of March. This is the third year that you've done it, is that right fourth, fourth year, fourth year.

21:30 So as you said, the mega points, one every year or only the last couple ever here. Wow. Yeah. You might have to kick out kick that one out. Yeah. It is, it is a really popular fixture. I will give it that if anybody has any just fell. We're looking for some right now. So Shameless pun intended. Yeah. I like the so when it ends it ends in a couple of weeks, right? Yeah. So the elite eight is a in Thursday. There's voting today tomorrow and Thursday, and then next week will be the final four which will take place over two days.

22:10 So, because I'm completely oblivious and The one person in America, who doesn't pay attention to college basketball at this time of year, because I'm Canadian, and I'm watching, hockey seeing who makes the playoffs and stuff. But are you following exactly to the days and stuff? That the basketball tournament is going to? No, I'm not. I what I did. Just one year and it was fun, but yeah, I kept just kept in, March this year because it's really late this year. The tournament is a lot more than normal. Yeah. Yeah, no, I love it. It's interesting. So, you know, I mean, anything else, you're planning to do around this or like, you know, I don't know how up on audio. You are, but it'd be cool to slip in some audio stuff. Some video stuff, like, have different, you know, brackets or whatever you want to call it.

23:01 It's not brackets, but different tournaments or whatever, I don't know. But oh, no, it's such a fun concept. It just feels like it needs to be expanded upon, but that's just me. I wreck Little Things by trying to turn them into big things. It's my forte. No, no, no plug intended. That's right. Yeah. It's my I Forte. So the other thing I went poking around your Instagram right before we jumped on, and I saw that you did like a little review thing on the D9 console. You've had hands on that thing. I have thoughts. I love it personally. I think a bolides Titan software is really intuitive. If you're a creatively oriented designer, you know, the metaphor that I kind of use is that I can I call Em a kind of the AutoCAD and Abel lights.

23:56 More of the vectorworks just in the way that that's like how your brain works with one software better than the other than maybe that's the avenue to go. Yeah but I think it's very powerful, I think it's very very like the buttons on. It are very robust and as a you know I have a lot of Since in the nightclub happened, faders and hitting buttons. And some damage the consoles and it's very Exciting. Yeah, grab some particular that's the reason or just happenstance but certainly, the I think lately, it's easier to break into that than it is to the rock and roll world. Where, you know, it's just so button down by an a right now, you know, to get into it.

24:52 You got to be really strong and And you know I think one of the problems a bow has had is that wild the world needs more consoles, Ava isn't able to ship them and I think if they could ship D nines all day long, they be biting a piece off the m&a market but Ma struggling to ship enough consoles and avo struggling. I don't know rain if you know this, but we we've been going through it every day. I mean, in the last 24 hours, we've sold for ma2. At almost 30 thousand dollars each. I mean the used price on em, a two lights. Well, I saw 144 God Rest his soul.

25:36 Tim Brennan during covid. It was either late 2020 or early 21 and it sold for like twelve thousand dollars and it was almost brand-new in a case. It was in really good condition and stuff this 12 Grand. I mean that thing now would be 32 33 thousand bucks you know? It's the money on used em. A2s is insane? The money on m83's is insane? Because you just can't get it. I can't get the stuff. So, how much is a? Does anyone know how much a D9 is? Is there C'Mon price? Yeah. Is it similar impressed to ma3 want to say? So you're wrong because this is on the record, right? I feel like list on it is floating around that 100,000 Mark.

26:21 I think it's pretty in line with them a three but I don't nobody say 80 to 100, so I'm not sure. Yeah. So it's probably pretty close like within 10% or something. Well, the cup of coffee, I think, if you, if you familiar with creative integration Studio, they have it That online. How do they? Yeah, it's okay. No, I'm just curious more than anything else. Is it less or more or about the same? And I would guess it's about the same which is obviously what you can wear. It has become less expensive, is its power from a media server standpoint that, you know, you don't write any extreme Hardware to be able to do all the videos stuff. So, and while ma3 claims to be able to do that, their ability in reality, I have yet to hear anybody Rave about, doesn't mean it can't, but I've just never heard anybody.

27:08 We like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know I think I think it's funny there but it's pretty competitive price wise otherwise. Yeah. I think I do think that, that's how the able likes console. Really, you know, get can slide into some more potential large-scale Productions, like that is because of their integration of videos. So slick, you know. Yeah, even if especially if you have an AI server, you know your you can take the video content and you know, essentially just Instantly pixel, map it, across your pictures as a. Yeah, it's powerful. It's cool. Again in this country the challenge is always going to be availability, you know? Like it if like it's always sort of a chicken and egg scenario, like if the designer is asking for it, the lighting house has it, the production house has it?

27:59 If the if the designer or production isn't asking for it generally it's not going to be shoved down your throat by the production. Company and that even goes to fixtures these days. Like it used to be, where you buy, whatever fixture you want and then you go out and convince the designers to do it and that's completely flipped to the point where the designers pretty much have most of the power. Now, although most of them that I talked to anyways, we'll work with the production company and say, hey, what do you got in stock? You know, once it's your gig they'll say, Hey, you know, if I can get an extra dozen fixtures but I use this one instead of this one. Sure, no problem. Let's, let's start swapping. So, Filming. He said, Deftones is a perfect example. I'm assuming that's in reference to, you know, a big video and lighting installation that's running off of a bow. I don't know, off the top of my head, but I day. Thanks for watching an installation of the band. Deftones is a band.

28:55 Brad. Yes. Now, you're the old guy. Yeah. That was John Eddie's to work it, took it out and it was it was a bad, a big array of its tylose and they were running you know Vince video content over the over the silas's. Cool. Not really. That's an interesting picture. Have you played with but, you know, the biggest challenge is Yeah, my than it is with light fixtures, like I've heard some shortages on light fixtures, certainly Roby has had their problem and I think that might be because there are European manufacturer.

29:49 And you know, maybe the Chinese are taking care of their own, God forbid, you know, and parts are going to the large Chinese manufacturers before they go to the European, man. Doctor or whatever. But but, yeah, you know, fixture seem to be easy to get. If I had the money to go out and buy a hundred fixtures today, I think I'd have my choice but I couldn't get a console for, you know, well I could but a lot of people can't get consoles, right? You know, double the cost so we Yeah, so, rain sensor since you're a gear guy, I know that you don't have skin in the game in them, smart Madness thing. But if you were to pick out of your bracket, a winner of not who you think would win.

30:30 But who would you want to win? Who would it be out of your original? 64, it would be the part, can with the loose ball, you know. We've all right. I'm with you, man. You didn't mean, I mean if you, if you can't light a show with Park Hands, then you don't deserve any of the other ones, you know what I mean? Yeah, we're gonna have to bring them back. We got to go find them. We got to go find a boatload of Park hands with loose bolts. Although you're in Miami Beach. There's got to be some laying around somewhere. My little one of the sketchiest Yeah, it's funny.

31:12 I saw a post on Facebook even if somebody was putting up a 60/40 par 64 rig for a show and it was it was like a legit one off, something festival or One Stop on a tour or something. They had a couple movers in the background but most it was part cancels like yes. So rain how many votes are you getting like perfect? Juror or whatever like a hand, or is it a thousand or so right now, about 25 to 27 hundred people are tuning in in 15. 1700 people are voting every day. Wow. Wow. So it's real numbers, real numbers. Yeah, so we should we should put. We should put a little bit of money on who's going to win then. So, what are the final? Eight again. Okay, let's or whatever the final later called. What's it called?

31:55 The Glorious? Cause another vote for there, you go. See the bracket has the point in the Sharpie left the spot. Profile Mega point and okay. Hang on, we're trying to put together what you're saying in between dropouts of internet here. So make a point and Sharpie let me know when I'm back yet, you're here. Okay, that's the beam. So we have the mega Point, Sharpie performance, the Viper profile The washes of The Spider and the or a pixel.

32:36 And from the bar, and strobe bracket is the jdc, one in the color strike, And the pixel. Okay, wait, what was under the aura Aura and what else? Spider. It is. So it was a spider in the Hora, pixel in the watch bracket yet or right. And then in the bar in strobe bracket is the jdc one in the color strike E1 and the the other day to see 180 C JB C, 1.1. I mean it's a great picture I saw it. It's very nice.

33:20 Yeah. So I know betting is illegal, but I think we need to put a bet on this thing. I would give the mega Point some crazy odds. Yeah, I don't know, man. The ultra performance is one fixture that really gets a good response and I've never even demoed. So I'm pretty interested in life and I stopped, I'm surprised not not to see the Vera like 3,500. Or 3600, what is it called me? And I knew that he verily.

34:02 Let me see which one it got bumped by, because it was controversial. It lost in the first round to the Viper profiles so the fan following Jesus. That's crazy. Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah I don't know like I mean if it were me I'd probably go you know I'm not a huge or a fan but that pxl is pretty cool. Yeah I'm a big spider thing. Yeah I thought it was really interesting too because the spider went face-to-face with the I spider and it was it was a pretty dominant preference for the spider which I thought was Yeah it depends what time that vote is happening to because people might be, you know, drinking or something.

34:54 Because why wouldn't you pick the IP ratings by the feedback? But it's heavy too heavy and it's too Did you have any in your original bracket? Any of the like current? I mean like the 3600 but you know, the current big LED stuff that's just, you know, modern version of what old classic fixtures were. Well, you like the, you know, the Ayrton, you know, Camp says our camps in and the, you know, the veal 3600 or the ultra performance. Any of that? Kind of stuff, you mentioned a couple of them but like how how much were those in there in the original bracket? So each manufacturer that was Major. I tried to get one at one in each bracket, so are its Manhattan.

35:41 I can't remember which ones were LED, and which ones weren't, but there was a pretty good combination. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Well, I think it's a really fun thing that you put together. Absolutely happy industry that we appreciate it. Obviously, you know, you're both sending your likes and stuff and Views that speaks for itself but it's really cool. If you haven't seen it in your watching, go check it out. March moving like Madness, on that line wired, any social channels or online Limelight wired.com and the app. So it's really interesting stuff. I'm excited to see where it goes. Do you have a vision for what? This becomes in the future or you just want to kind of keep evolving?

36:22 It organically. Gosh, I don't know. I think it would be fun to just see where it goes, you know. Yeah, I would, I would say an audio. The one imitation that, I the one limitation I really don't like, is that voting is limited on my Instagram story for 24 hours. I think if I can move it to my app and you had a couple days ago and like each week you had five days to go lock in your round of 64 and 32 votes. So that's, you know, a possibility that I would like look to expand it. So you know, wasn't so you don't have Instagram, you can't really participate, you know her. Yeah, I don't really pay attention to Instagram so that's my a problem but I have one. Well, here's what I mean these are the only other thing you could do.

37:16 If you were to put comments under the number of likes is the votes. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good thought pretty damn easy. It's a low-tech MVP kind of Knotek option. What's your things that was happening on ticket? I don't do it. I'm too old guys. My age on Tick-Tock or creepy as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. You just don't do it.

37:56 I think I'm about individuals are certainly on. Tick-Tock and younger Generations. You know, like, you know, under 40 people are certainly more prominent to be there. I don't know that in today's world, there's a lot of businesses on their in our industry. Certainly in other Industries, there are. But in our industry, there aren't a lot of companies that are putting out Tick-Tock content. But I've ever seen. I mean, I'm not, I don't like know it but but I think for individuals in the stuff that you're doing I could see there being being a following or and absolutely Yeah, I wouldn't go voting on the app to me voting on the app would be the wrong thing to do because not everybody likes to use a separate app, you know, you've got the audience on Instagram, why try and send them somewhere else, you know, if you could keep it within the post I think that's the best thing you can possibly do. So figure out if there's an elegant way to do that. Like thing that I just said because that could be really, really an easy way to do it.

38:53 Yeah. So, yeah, like it. No, I watch, I watch. I watch videos that people forward to me, and that's about it. I've never downloaded the app or anything, and, you know, there's a lot of funny videos, but I know myself like, I could probably get longer. Yeah. Just sitting there scrolling through 10,000 cat videos or whatever, you know? I just don't go there. I just don't have the time or or desire to do it while it's still warm. Yeah, I'm just I'm sick. I'm shocked how how low Tech things are that people really latch onto. You know, like Snapchat, my son, it's the same. It's the thing that he uses all day everyday still after this long, you know.

39:43 And yeah, I mean the lowest Tech stuff seems to be the stuff that people hang on to. So, I think. Yeah. Well, We were selling Vipers for like, eleven twelve hundred dollars and they're back up to what three grand cowers. Something 2500, don't worry, Grandpa. When you know what you can do with it though. It's almost you almost seem like Wang. I'd rather get 20 of these antennas something I don't know, right?

40:31 Yeah, well I think we got a little spoiled in our industry to where it was just like I'm going to replace this with this. I'm going to replace this with this. I'm going to refer and then when suddenly there was a bit of a problem, replacing this with this, or you needed more gear or whatever. The Vipers became very relevant again. It's a great life. There's nothing wrong with it. There was no reason for it to be sent out to pasture at 9:00. Hundred or a thousand dollars each or whatever we were getting at times. And so yeah I mean we're in a shake your head market right now. Like we, you know, people ask us all the time. What do you think I should do with this? You know, and it's like, I don't know, you know like sell it today, you're getting way more than the market was, paying a year ago.

41:13 Do I think it's going to keep going up, I don't know, like, I just don't know, you know, it's, it's batshit crazy gear market right now. Without my answer that question is usually that I don't think it's going to continue to go up but I also thought that a year ago and it continued until yup. Well yeah, no me too. Now there's a lot of signs that there's an end coming. You know, and there's signs also that there's an incoming to the free-for-all on concerts and stuff like that. Like I mean, at some point, people are going to run out of available cash to go see, you know, five hundred dollar ticket concerts or whatever. Right. Like great. Four thousand dollars for the nosebleeds.

41:56 But, you know, again, I always loved to pick on Motley Crue, they were 400 bucks at the Hard Rock just last week, you know, $400 to see Motley Crue, Go figure, do you need me to explain who Motley Crue is right there in that much.

42:36 Not going to drink juice. I do. Like, I've been lucky enough to speak at ldi, the past, two years when Sovereign candle collectives, programming panel and an take the elbow lights on the spin for the busking challenge, which is like, oh, cool. A really fun thing that they've done because and I hope my internet is connecting Good. Will I tell this? But like, yeah, you know, they set up seven different consoles to the same rig and, you know, you get a one hour time slot with it. And then, essentially, in front of everyone, you busk with Okthat's you have no idea what's going to come and you know that hasn't ever existed in the lighting world, you know, like a like a battle type thing and they, you know, there's no Wards.

43:17 It's all just for experimentation and fun and to see how someone could possibly busk on a on an EOS, you know, demeanor, it's fun. So I do always put the sugar trade floors. I try to make some sort of recap video of every convention that I go to. There's just so much to see So you know, it's good to see all the people who commit conventions are fun. Man. It was sad. When they were gone and to come back and see everybody back on. I completely agree with you. Yeah, yeah. It's we say this all the time especially over covid-19 Chan industry that when our paths cross are almost the most magical times, you know, how could, how could something be more magical than the shows we make?

44:02 Well, it's the people that we make the shows with, right? So getting to see all those people even that we'd never Percy in person that we only email is. Yeah, he's good. You know I gotta say I even enjoy seeing the ones that I don't like you know, I mean, I miss them too. Like it was like, you know, I'm not going to mention any names, but this feels weird but I was right. I'll past or no onions.

44:56 No. That's or all right. All right. I should I should take an official vote on these. I haven't done that, but okay, that's great. What's what's the one that starts with a beak? Is it Priya? Yeah. That one is that one's outrageous. I finally had one of those or a bun like frightfully in the sauce. I don't know. I mean, they're really bad for you and I shouldn't eat them, but God damn, they're good. That's the worst. You're doing, you're doing okay. Yeah, exactly Noah man. Thank you for having me. Like I said, I've been following the podcast forever. I mean I feel like all of my idols been on this the meacham's of your sins, you know? It's, it's fun to be a part of a small part of it and I'm just I'm very appreciative.

45:42 No problem. We're glad you could join us. And yeah, everybody check out at Limelight wired and putting your vote for the final eight in in the moving, light bracket and we'll see if we can kick the mega point, off the throne. I think it'd be fun fine. Aw, thanks. Thank you.