#190 - Jeremy Fairbairn on a career in Motorsports with GearSource

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1:33 Well, hello again, and thanks for joining me today on a very special episode of geezers of gear. And so today we're actually recording, I think many of you know, that my other job is supporting a young man's racing career. It happens to be my son, Jeremy fairbairn. And so today, we're recording a special episode to talk to Jeremy about his plans this year. I know that many of you in the Live Events Community, follow Jeremy, and you're always asking me questions about what he's up to what he's doing at cetera. And so I did want to spend a little bit of time today and talked with him, he's living over in the u.k. right now for racing and and I wanted to get, you know, some information from him and and just From the horse's mouth as they say.

2:24 So just a few facts about Jeremy. He started racing on his seventh birthday, 7th birthday. And so he is turning 19 in about a month. And so that is what 12 years that he's been racing. He started in karting and he wanted every level of carding and I think he's going to tell us a little bit about what carding is about because I don't think people thoroughly understand how competitive and challenging challenging and professional that world is or that sport is in 2020. He began began testing in cars in open-wheel Cars in 2022. He ran his first full season in cars and this year he's got really well. Hello there, mr.

3:09 Jeremy. So let's go ahead and bring on Jared. All right. How are you doing? I'm doing okay. Thanks. Thanks for taking the time out of your incredibly busy, schedule over there, on a Sunday and recording this with me. I appreciate it. I know you've been Race is over here in the u.s. today online, right? Yeah. What do you follow? Thanks for having me. I've been following cart Chaser, uspks in Orlando. There was a pretty big race just watching a few of my friends and F4 us championship and fr. Yeah, I was just watching my previous teammate and a few people. I know that we're racing in that today, right? Yeah. Your your ex team kiwi Crosslink. I think they finished what second or third? Third and four raised.

3:54 I think third. Yeah. They've got a good bed drivers in there. They had some pretty solid results this weekend. Yeah. Yeah. They were in the top 10 relatively. Yeah. No it's cool stuff. They started at Nola and but that car trach Kart race in Orlando. I didn't see it, but you said it was pretty exciting. Yeah, no, it's huge actually. Uspks has grown over the years. Pretty rapidly. It's crazy. How many parts show up for these races now? Right? Yeah I remember you used to race in uspks when it was kind of tiny and they did it in weird little towns in the middle of nowhere in the Midwest and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's grown big. So you know people listening are going to be in in our industry. By the way, Jeremy also works for gear source as a part-time thing to help keep him fed while he's away racing. So first, where are you right now? Yes, I am in the UK currently about an hour north of London here.

4:50 For my, this year's season of gb4, I will be competing in the NG before, like I mentioned, yeah, yeah, we'll get into that a little bit later, but you're over in England, sitting in your apartment. Yes, cool. And and it's I see on the clock on the wall. It's 8:20. So you guys didn't change your time yet. Like we did not. We change our time March 26th. It's weird. I don't know why. Exactly is, but well, none of us really knows why we even change our time, so it's pretty funny. So first, why don't you, why don't you tell us how you got started? I know because I happen to be there but tell everyone who's listening. How you got started in racing where the interest came from.

5:31 You know, most kids, Kids play soccer, or baseball or guitar. So what was it that where'd you get started? And why and tell us about that. Well, growing up as a kid, I was always interested in cars. I had a wrap around my room, a Hot Wheels wrap. All of my birthday parties were pretty much car themed, all of that. So I've always been into cars and racing, but so, when I was seven years old, I would always go. With my dad to the track, he had a few toys that he would take on to Palm Beach International Raceway and I just go with I liked watching and when I realized they had a go-kart track I was all into it. So tried to put me in a cart when I was six years old and that didn't work because I was just too young apparently. So then I came back when I was seven right after my birthday and after my first test in a go-kart I absolutely fell in love with it and ever since then I had started competing. Why practice?

6:30 For probably two years and I started competing in In the pretty big races and I was like, hey I got something here. I'm pretty good at this. Yeah. Yeah. Right from the beginning, you you really didn't want to do anything else. It was like every spare moment, I remember Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturday all day. So Tuesday, after school, Thursday, after school. Saturday all day you were at the car track just running laps and running laps and running laps. And I mean, I remember there were times probably a year into it where you were getting kinda bored because you wanted to compete. Are you wanted to hang out with your friends at the track and have fun on the track? Not just work and try to take you know tense and and take time off your lap times. Well yeah, that also just could have been the seven-year-old in me.

7:15 Just wanted to play around. I didn't take it as seriously as I should have because I was always there. It just felt so normal, right? Yeah, it's funny that, you know, you don't don't really realize how cool that is, after you've been doing it for a little while three days a week. So, So what are the, what are some of the things like people? When you tell them, I know it's frustrating when you're a racing karts and you tell people that you're, you know, I remember the the jealousy at school. When you used to tell people, you were going away for the weekend to race in a cart race. Why is that like, what what's the confusion there for people? Well, for some it was jealousy and others it was sort of humorous to them because when you think go-karts, Someone that doesn't really know much about racing, you think.

8:05 Oh, like he's going to fund Depot and competing for fun or stuff like that. But no, it's it was really a serious Sport. And we took it, we all take it, seriously. And so, yeah, when I said I'm leaving to go to a go-kart race, a lot of people didn't really understand what that was. Yeah, I'd be traveling all around the country and even the world to go to these different go kart races. And that's yeah, that was a huge part of my life. Yeah. And you know, again like you said, I don't I think people really understand when they're thinking go-karts, they think, you know, the, the concession cards, the rental cards that you would get at, like you said, Fun, Depot or something. But these carts are a little more professional, right?

8:45 Absolutely. Very different. And so what are some of the things that are really misunderstood like, you know, probably for one, these things are pretty fast, you know, and 70 mph in a go-kart feels like 200 miles per hour in a car. I think yes. I mean for one? Yeah, like you mentioned the speeds that you're going in these go-karts. When I was seven years old I was probably going, 65, 70 mph, and a go-kart competing and also the level of competition, a lot of people don't understand that. It's a very seriously taken sport for the people that are involved. And yet the competition level is like, no other even comparing it to cars. There's so much closer and go-karting the racing and the yeah, the way That you race them and you have to race them, there's a bumper obviously, on the go cart. So you use that and you can push two cards are faster than one. So you have to strategize how you learn to work together. Yeah, exactly.

9:45 Yeah. And, you know, one of the other things like you're talking about how professional it is and stuff. I remember one time an IndyCar driver, I think it was James Hinchcliffe was interviewed and they asked him if he was at a Super Nats in Las Vegas. I think it's the One where you finished, maybe second the one that was on the different track. That was right next to the ldi trade show, actually and a parking lot. Yeah, yeah. And he said, he said, he can't believe how professional it is. Like, he couldn't believe, he said, some of the Transporters are bigger than the Indy car transporter. Some of the team tents are are just massive and he was blown away by how professional carding had become And you know, I think you've experienced the same even going up to car racing. Some of the some of the car racing teams that you've been a part of or seen aren't even as professional as some of the kart racing teams that you had raised on. Yeah.

10:46 So, you know, one of the cool things again that people don't know about carding is that probably all of the biggest stars in Motorsports, got their start in carts. Can you name a few of them? So that people understand mean. Yeah. Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel. Like these people that you watch on modern day F1 and stuff. Like they all started off and go karts. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Schumacher Ayrton Senna, all of the greatest drivers ever, they all started out in go-karts. It really is sort of a Grassroots really the base of Motorsports. Yeah. The Grass Roots like you said and yeah that's where you want to be before you go jumping into a car or stuff like that for sure.

11:27 Yeah. So, you know, you have a, you had an unusual childhood, of course, growing up at race race tracks. Instead of, you know, like I said, soccer fields, and going to after school events and things like that. So what were some of the things? You know, you missed out on a lot of things which we'll talk about a little bit. But what were some of the things you actually learned that other people wouldn't have learned, but you learned them because you grew up at a racetrack. That's a tough question. I'm sure you know, bad things. You probably learned some pretty tasty curse words when you were like six or seven years old - yeah, my vocabulary has definitely opened of it. Yeah.

12:12 Track. But I would think some things like work ethic, you know, like practice makes perfect sounds so cliche but it's true. The amount that you have to practice and you know, I remember one lesson you And one time. So again, getting used to being at the race tracks. It's interesting. The people you're around like Emerson fittipaldi and I remember one time we were at a go-kart race in Ocala and you had been racing on track with another individual and you came off track and that individuals father came up and said, hey Marcel, did you happen to get to did? Jerry Jeremy have his GoPro on his cart that last race and I said, yeah! Why?

12:53 And he said, would you mind if we watch the video together? Me and my son, and you and Jeremy. And I said, sure. So we sat and watched the video and that gentleman just happened to be one Pablo Montoya and his son, Sebastian who you raised with and of course Juan Pablo Montoya is former Formula One driver? IndyCar, driver NASCAR. Yeah. Drove every day and you know, just an incredible driver, great guy. And I remember as he was walking away after we went through this video with I am and he was giving you some pointers and stuff. I said, Jeremy, do you know what just happened? He goes. Yeah, Sebastian's, dad just kind of gave me a few pointers, and I'm like, he's a Formula.

13:38 One champion is guy, you know, so I just don't think you ever really, you weren't Starstruck by these guys at all. I don't think know. For sure, it was just pretty normal to me because I had raced against them my whole life. I didn't really think of it. And so, I mean, so I was a bit older and I said back, I'm like, wow, these huge names that I raced. It's actually pretty crazy, right? But I mean you know so again growing up at the track is very interesting thing because you know just watching, you know, washing your hands with brake cleaner, for example, you know, it's not something that you think to do when you're a normal person in a normal sport or whatever. But if that's all you got sitting around, that's what you use, right?

14:21 So what was, what would you say was before we move on to two cars? What was your biggest accomplishment racing in carts? Well, probably the year of 2017 and 2018, both of those years. I think we're probably my best years in a go-kart. I won a few races. There was a team that I was on J. Howard, driver, development of former IndyCar driver. He had made a carding team and I joined the carding team and I won multiple races with them. I really that really boosted my confidence. Confidence and for me into the driver, I am today and then in 2018, I won a few races in scusa. The one of the biggest carding championships there is and then the supernationals, I was a pony cart driver. I was had chassis deals from Tony Kart and going into that race.

15:24 I was pretty confident, I knew I could do it but of course it's a tough field. Like I was racing against names like Sebastian Montoya a bearcat. Huge names that are in Motorsport and I ended up winning that race in Las Vegas against people from all over the world that that my biggest accomplishment and carding Supernatural is one of the largest International races in the world that happens once a year every year in Las Vegas. And I remember when you were early in your card in career, just kind of looking up with stars in your eyes at these. You know people that were even getting NG top 10 in the Supernatural, let alone winning The Supernaturals.

16:04 And so for you to finish second in 2017, I think and then come back. And and when it in 2018 was quite an accomplishment. Absolutely. Yeah. That was one of the highest moments in my life, for sure. I think winning your way into Team. USA was pretty cool that first time at in New Orleans. That was pretty cool representing. And in Italy representing Team USA after I won the tickets to go to Italy back in 2017. Yeah, that was a great experience for sure. Yeah. No carts carts was carts. Was pretty cool. So transitioning from carts to cars that happened. I guess in 2019 to 2020 more.

16:49 So in 2020 because I thought you had an injury in 2019 that kept you from starting in cars. So in 2020, you started transitioning. Into cars. What are what are some of the challenges going from, you know, a small go-kart that's, you know, 4 feet long to a car. That's probably I don't know, 15 feet long or something. Obviously, you're going from 300 pounds to 1400 pounds, you're going from 70 or 80 miles per hour to 150 miles per hour. What are some of the challenges that you ran into Yeah. Obviously, the speed difference, massive speed, difference.

17:29 And the braking and throttle, you have to be much harder on the brakes, slow the car, much more for the upcoming corner, and there's no seat belts and go-karts. So you have that kind of free feeling where you like feel yeah, more free obviously. And then so the car you're strapped into the car, you feel at one with the car. So that was a new feeling to me at first and that's something I had never experienced it. That was just, that was a take. That took me a bit to get used to To, Let's even gears. I got also also this have gears and go carts because you never drove Shifter Kart. I've just got to say yes. Also, the gears there's paddle shifters on the steering wheel and a formula car. Will depending on what you drive. But yes I had paddle shifters at first and a formula for car and yeah that was something to get used to lots of sim practice going into it before simulator practice. As you know drivers lots of drivers practice on simulators out.

18:25 At home or at a facility. But yeah that there's a lot that goes into it before you just hop into a car for the first time. But yeah, you know some of the tire management stuff and tire pressures and things like that, you're dealing with in carts as well. Like, I don't think again, people realize that but you know you're constantly going from, you know, let's see if we can go on super low pressure, seven and a half pounds or something and and then in Rain, you might be on. 16 pounds of pressure or whatever, but you know in cars, I would guess that that just managing the tires because of, you know, they don't give you unlimited tires, you can't just keep putting on new sets every time you go on the track so you have to manage them. So I guess there was probably a learning curve there as well. Absolutely.

19:16 And the weight of the car, it's a much heavier vehicle. Obviously to the steering is a bit more physical, right? Rather than a go-kart work. 200 300 pounds and you can just throw it around. Yeah yeah. And I mean that's one of the things because of your height. So for those who don't know Jeremy's six-foot-four which is not a normal driver, height, drivers tend to be almost like jockeys in horse racing. They tend to be fairly short unwell under 6 feet. And so Jeremy and carts was was heavily disadvantaged because of the wind resistance, you know, he was like a sail out there on On the go cart and he managed to figure out how to use that to his Advantage by throwing his weight around in the card and shifting weight to parts of the cart that we're going to give him more grip.

20:07 Obviously not a benefit in cars, you can't do those things. So in cars, were you a little bit disadvantaged because of your size Um, I don't know about disadvantage but I was definitely slightly uncomfortable in the car slightly. Yeah. My knees were banging on the top of the cockpit a bit and I'm sitting on little to no seat because I mean I have to fit so I'm just be too high in the car. If I had too much of a seat and yeah I wouldn't be able to fit properly. So these seats are there like fitted seats, right? Yes, they're custom fit seats. They About an hour to two hours to make. They pour, I don't really know what it is that they pour but it's a mixture of a few things that they pour into a big plastic bag that you have to sit in. And it molds, it molds how your body is and shapes to your body. Yeah, exactly.

21:05 And so last year, I remember they called your seat upon potato chip, right? Because it is so thin and it was it was like non-existent basically, right? Yeah, I mean you're definitely down. I'm playing it. But I can tell you, there's a lot of drivers that would never in a million years Drive in the discomfort that you drive in. You know, the fact that your knees are banging and sometimes you can't shift, like, when you're using an actual H pattern. Shifter, you can't shift, because are you find it hard to shift because your knees banging against the shifter and stuff? So, that's how long my arms are. My wingspan is actually longer than my height. So that makes it difficult sometimes because my, my elbows are banging into my legs while I'm trying to steer or shift, so yeah. - it difficult to had to get used to that. Jeremy has had some physical challenges, I guess that some other drivers haven't had.

21:53 And then last year in junior, one of the problems that you ran into was also your weight. You know, Jeremy was growing into his frame last year and went from, I don't know what it was like, what 140 up to 180 or something when 85 and and so by the end of last season, he was 45 pounds overweight for For the class that he was driving in, which gave him a pretty heavy disadvantage in actual laugh, lap times because weight slows the car down, obviously. So anyways, no excuses. You know, this year, we were Jeremy's in much better shape. He's worked really hard in sort of an offseason diet and exercise regimen and has gotten himself in much better shape and you probably feel a lot better in the car.

22:41 I'm guessing I do. Yes, yeah, sure. So, you know, one of the things again, that people don't really tend to understand. I think so many people believe that you just jump in the car and go and all it is is driving. You just, you know, your job is to 30 minutes at a time, you know, a few times a weekend, two weekends, a month or whatever and that's all you have to do and they don't really understand the sacrifices that you make along the way. So tell me about some of those There's absolutely plenty of aspects that go into it. You can't just jump into a car, like, you mentioned. So I recently joined a driver program driver development program and here in the UK, they do, lots of sim training, lots of out of the car, training, mental, physical, stuff like that, and that's really just to work on getting used to the track series tracks, your so much different than the US with the hills and And the runoff areas stuff like that weather. And also the weather.

23:49 Yes, I actually drove in the snow for the first time here, formula car. And that's something I never thought I would be doing, but it's similar to rain but obviously a lot more cold and well, the other thing is your tires. Rarely get up to temperature or take a long time to get up to temperature because the tracks are so cold, it's about half the session to get tires to tempt, even more than that. Actually And that's really that took a long time to get used to because normally racing in the u.s. like in hot temperatures like Florida and stuff like that. They're hot places like Florida. Yeah. The tires get to Temp within a lap or two so that's that's something I had to get used to man. Yeah that's a big change.

24:35 But what about some of the other stuff? Like you know I know that you've made sacrifices from sort of normal childhood teen Lifestyle sort of thing, like, girlfriends friends. Even just school, you know, how did you do schooling different than then? Quote normal kids. Yeah, I missed a lot of school missed. A lot of days of school. And a lot of school events, my school actually didn't like that very much. They wanted me to either stop racing or go into homeschooling. Then stopping racing was not an option for me. So after freshman year of high school, Actually switch to home school, which was probably a great one of the best decisions I made for school.

25:19 School-wise, anyways, and I got through, that's for sure. I really helped me focus more on racing and but, yeah, like you mentioned sacrifices. I was making, I missed lots of events of for school. Never really attended, like prom or anything like that, friend's birthday parties, all games basketball games. Birthday parties. Even I missed a lot of my friends birthday parties, because I was gone, right? Icing most of the time. Yeah. And, you know, again traveling didn't mean that we were in glamorous places like New York City or Chicago, or something. We were usually in the middle and nowheresville. Some, we're staying in a Hampton Inn sharing, where most your dad.

26:02 Yeah, which is where most tracks are located, just a middle of nowhere. Yeah, yeah racetracks are not usually in glamorous. Wonderful places. You know and I mean the other thing again That I think has helped you grow into a better young man than, you know, some of the young kids that I see out there when you grow up at a track, you can't just say, oh my tummy hurts. Or I don't, I don't feel like doing this or, you know, I had a lousy session because I was thinking about my girlfriend or, you know, excuses. Don't go over very well, nah. These these, these people, that you grow up under whether their coaches or team owners, or managers tend to be pretty hard on you. Yeah, they make sure you're doing your job for sure and doing it.

26:48 That's yeah, so let's talk a little bit about where you're at now and what you're up to you mentioned at the start of this recording that you're, you're in the UK. And so let's talk about where you are in the UK and why you're there and, you know, about the season that you're going to be doing this year. Let's talk a bit about that. So I had ran a race called the Formula Ford Festival back in 2022, will last year and I ran it with a team called Kevin Mills racing, a great team. They run a spectrum Formula Ford, probably the most fun, and best race I've done in my life.

27:31 I learned so much from it and plus the car is much different from anything. I've driven, it's more similar to a go-kart than a formula for car because there's obviously no arrow on a Formula Ford car. Compared to enough for that has a rear wing and of Right wing. The Formula Ford is also an H pattern car. So I, that was something I had to get used to writing this to paddle shifting. Exactly prior to just hopping into the race. When you talk about no Arrow, no front and rear Wings. What what does that mean to the actual driving? For people who don't know what we're talking about right now? Yeah, so the car is a lot more free. It's not like stuck to the ground. That's really the purpose of the wing. It keeps it stabilized and stuck so you can carry more speed through corners. Give some without That exactly without that. The car is a lot more free and tends to slide around more. So that was something that I had to cope with, for sure. Also the tires they're skinny little, like, Road car tires with treads on them as opposed to slicks. Yeah, so it really teaches you how to how to actually drive like a Formula.

28:33 Ford car is a lot easier to drive than that, because it's not like sliding all over the place the whole time and it's not yet it's more stable for sure. Yeah. But a Formula Ford car. Yeah. It's there's no Arrow so it's pretty free. Yeah. Yeah. You so this this race that he's talking about this formula Festival, it's I think it was like their 50th or 51st running or whatever but it's a race where Formula One Champions even come back and run this race or guys who ran Formula One or you know professional long time professional drivers. So you're racing against Seventy year olds and you're racing against, you know, 18 year olds as well. Just a really cool race.

29:23 Formula 1 draft or everything against. Yeah. Magnussen Formula One driver. Kevin magnussen is Father. Yeah. It was amazing opportunity, Roberto Moreno. Yeah. They all come back to this car because it's such a great car to drive it. Really develops a driver. When it's so competitive to it's over 100 drivers that start out and only the top 30 make the final race. Yes. And so you run it twice and made made the final both times which is pretty pretty amazing that's hosted at Brands hatch circuit every year. If I didn't mention that but yeah it's a great place. Great event. Yeah it is. Yeah it is unfortunately this year you might not be able to run it from what I've heard. Yeah I've heard that the my last race or one of my races goes on the exact same weekend as the festival.

30:08 I hope that's not the case but there's a conflict. So you're like, like I was saying, Kevin Mills, that's the theme. I ran with, in Formula Ford, that is what brought me to where I am today. So I they wanted me for this season and G before. So, I came back this year and now I've just been testing their G before car, which is basically like an F for car. But it's turbo and slightly faster than enough for car. And yeah, that's just larger. Thank God. The cockpit is a bit bigger. Yes. So, I fit slightly better. My knees are still banging on the top of the cockpit, but it feels much better than I previously have are. So it's good, right?

30:51 So you've been in the car already, right? Yeah. I've done to test so far. I've done a test at Silverstone circuit, which was absolutely unreal. That's an F1 track. That is a very well-known track. And yeah, I drove the full circuit so that was an unreal experience. I was pinching myself the whole time. I felt like I was in a video game, feel it. I guess you can't and seen the track. Enough times on television. Yes, and I did a one-day test at oulton Park that was an insane track, nothing, like I've ever driven before, it's an absolute roller coaster. That's the one where you plus. I think that I did that in the snow as well. Yes. Yeah. So, where are you living? Yes, so I'm about four miles from Silverstone circuit.

31:34 That's where I'm located now and it's also where the driver program I had joined or the driver performance program that I had joined. That's where it's located. As well. So what time their eyes own driver performance, right? Yes that's from what I understand. That place gets like anything from kids just starting out in racing all the way up to like some of the big F1 teams and stuff will send their drivers over there. Yeah. There's I've never seen anything like this. I didn't know programs like this, even existed, but it's the best thing I could have done for myself, her driver development, that's for sure. Yeah, so it's coaching, it's you're on simulators. There's physical training, it's all kinds of stuff. They work on, mental training, physical training, all of that, and there's very professional simulators like literal car cockpits and then they make their own machine. That feels exactly like the car does and it's the closest you can get to actually being in the car. You mentioned Well how important is that? That's very important throughout my racing career. I've definitely thought just the mental aspect of it for sure, where you doubt yourself in the car, like am I really good enough to win?

32:44 And my really good enough to beat some of these guys, but that's absolutely, if, you know, you can win or if you think you can win, you can absolutely do it. What about fear? It's fear ever creeping in. Yes and no maybe when I had first got into a car it's if it's something that you're not exactly used to. Like when it's like when I was perfectly new to me I'm just like yeah. If I take this corner too fast, I'll end up in a wall but that's not stuff you can think of. Yeah yeah. If you gotta drive and trust your ability, right? If you're if you're fearful or afraid or whatever you're going to make mistakes, I would guess. Yeah. Yeah.

33:25 So the series that you're racing in this year Call GB for and what level is that like, is that it you said it's comparable to F4. Maybe a little little Advanced 4:30. Yes. So G4 is like a junior series of racing but the yeah, there's very high competition levels for sure. Yeah, that's why we are here today to because of the competition and because of how great the tracks are. It's nothing like you can get in the US or anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you're going to be on some pretty iconic tracks from Brands hatch to again Silverstone I think you raised Silverstone twice Donington Park oulton Park.

34:10 Yes, knatterton. Yeah, snetterton is your Nemesis it was because it was my first time driving the Formula Ford car was there and it's definitely a very difficult track also to be on for the first time, right? But yeah, I've I've put in a lot of sim work and I'll be better than ever. So many will not work. Yeah, so how are you getting around, Silverstone? Silverstone is unreal. How are you getting around the area? I purchased an electric bike and that's how I get around every day because the roads are actually quite frightening here. The road seemed like they were built in the 1600s and haven't changed since then.

34:52 Some of them are even single Lane roads were. Cars are coming and going the opposite direction in one lane. Yeah, so I find it rather funny that a kid who's grown up racing since his seventh birthday. Birthday is afraid to drive on the roads in England. It's just all so new. I mean, I think I could now just after being here for a good bit of time. But yeah, I first just like, wow, this is definitely weird because you're on the opposite side of the road, opposite side of the car. Yeah, and there's some interesting laws on e-bikes in the UK. I heard you found out, you can't go over 15 miles per hour on an electric bike which when you're biking to the track every day gets kind of annoying.

35:35 Go faster. Go faster. So you can go over 15 but you got to Pedal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. They've got some interesting laws where you can't have a throttle on any bike. You have to have just pedal assist pretty funny. So you're biking down every day to get to izone and and And to go to the track. And if you're following any of the other testing that's over there or whatever, and even to go grocery shopping, I have to strap all my groceries onto the back of my bike. That's yeah, it's not that easy. Are you are you enjoying being like really in the thick of it? Like it's sort of one of the racing Mecca's of the world. Like don't don't a bunch of teams have their factories, their bunch of F1 teams and stuff. Yes, I see.

36:25 Every day I go to To the track. I see the Mercedes Factory. I see the Aston Martin Factory. It's all so unreal. Yeah, that's pretty cool. It really is like the home of Formula 1 in a sense, right there. And without the town town next door as well. Milton Keynes. Yeah, absolutely. So What are your expectations for the season? What do you? What are you trying to accomplish this year in GB? For, well, I very high hopes going into the season. I've me and my team have put in so much work. Going into this and my team are raining Team Champions this year. Oh, that's cool. Well, last year they won the team championship and we're just hoping to secure that once again and a driver's Championship that's the mangle and your teammates. His name is Jack.

37:17 He's from where he's from Australia. Yes, we've got a wide variety of people from the team. Yeah from work. Yeah, the series is very International. There's a few Americans few Brits but then people from all over the place absolutely it's it's an interesting group. So you know, I think we would be terrible people. If we didn't mention how hard it is to get into racing and how hard it is to to do racing and how grateful you. And I are both for the sponsors who have jumped in this year. Sponsors are incredibly important and in racing in Motorsports.

38:00 So we're very grateful for the sponsors and and you're obviously looking to perform for them this year. All right cool. Well we're going to check in with you a few other times during the season and I appreciate you taking the time today to do this With Us. Jeremy. Absolutely, thank you for having me. Awesome. Thanks, buddy.